2026-10-20 - Public Infrastructure Committee

00:07Good morning, everyone.

00:09Welcome to the

00:11city of Topeka's October 20th

00:14Infrastructure Committee.

00:16Welcome to both the audience here and

00:19also our audience that may be watching

00:22our meeting today.

00:24With that, I'll go ahead and call this

00:27meeting to order.

00:29With the introduction of our committee

00:31members starting with our Deputy Mayor.

00:35>> Michelle Hofer, District 9.

00:39>> Councilwoman.

00:42>> Councilwoman Ortiz, District 3.

00:45>> David Banks, District 4.

00:48And chair of this committee.

00:51We'll go ahead and

00:53and introduce the first item on our

00:55agenda, which is the consent agenda.

00:58Uh

00:59We'll be looking for and a a motion to

01:01approve

01:02the September 15th Public Infrastructure

01:05Committee meeting uh

01:07minutes.

01:08Uh

01:09Did everyone have a chance to have a

01:12look at those minute those meeting

01:14minutes?

01:17>> I move for approval.

01:19>> Second.

01:20>> Okay, motion has been made and seconded.

01:22So, we'll just accept the

01:25minutes from the last month's meeting.

01:35Our vote on it, 3-0.

01:39So, we'll go ahead with

01:42uh presentations.

01:44Uh internal

01:46pavement preservation proposal.

01:50Who's doing that?

01:51>> What's that?

01:52>> Storm water master

01:53>> I don't think that's what we're on. I

01:54don't think that's what we're on.

01:58>> I'm moving ahead.

02:01Just for eating.

02:05>> I think that might be last last week's.

02:07It's the Stormwater Master Plan

02:08overview.

02:09>> Okay.

02:11Action item

02:13uh 2A the minutes have been approved. Uh

02:17act consent agenda item number three

02:19presentation Stormwater Master Plan

02:22overview.

02:23>> There we go. That sounds more like it.

02:25>> All right.

02:25>> Good morning. Uh Nicole Malat, Deputy

02:27Director of Utilities. I'm really just

02:29here to introduce Zach Stevie, uh

02:31Utility Stormwater Engineer. As

02:34discussed at last month's meeting, uh

02:37there was a request to have an overview

02:39of our Stormwater Master Plan.

02:41And I'm going to turn it over to Zach to

02:44>> All right.

02:44>> go through it.

02:45>> Like Nicole said, my name is Zach

02:47Stevie, Stormwater Engineer. Uh I've

02:49been the Stormwater Engineer since about

02:512020. So, been here been in this role

02:53for about 6 years.

02:55Um this is the Stormwater Master Plan

02:57beside me. Um as you can see, it's it's

03:00a document. Um so, we're going to we're

03:02going to go over it, but obviously I

03:03can't tell you everything that's in here

03:05cuz well, I don't have the time.

03:07Um so, this started in 2020. Um we we

03:11wrapped this this puppy up in uh May of

03:142023.

03:16Um

03:18And just kind of give you a purpose

03:20here. Um

03:21we're trying to provide a citywide

03:22understanding of Stormwater issues.

03:24Right and find risks, improvements,

03:26project priorities. Uh we're attempting

03:29to create coordinated approach for

03:30long-term flood reduction. Um and

03:33obviously most importantly, we support

03:35budgeting, planning, and funding efforts

03:37uh by using data-driven decision-making.

03:39So, hopefully

03:41um when people ask me questions, I have

03:42real responses.

03:44Um

03:46Why it matters. Uh the first Stormwater

03:48sewer in the city of Piqua was built

03:50somewhere around 1878.

03:52Um you'll note that the whatever the

03:54city looked like in 1878, it does not

03:56look like that today.

03:57Um, so some of that has led to

04:00some pretty frequent localized flooding

04:02during large storm events. Um,

04:04especially with all the urban

04:05development that have kind of

04:06exacerbated some of those issues. Um,

04:09first flood plain isn't mapped until

04:111981, so we have a lot of development in

04:13the city that happens before

04:16anybody has any real understanding of

04:18flood flooding in Topeka.

04:21Um, we also of course have aging storm

04:23water infrastructure. Again, first pipe

04:25put in the ground in 1878.

04:27Um, so we need to reduce risk to homes,

04:29businesses, and key facilities.

04:32Um, and we need to be able to make again

04:33defensible decisions um, amid amidst our

04:35many competing needs and limited funds.

04:39Um, so we approach this by first

04:42subdividing the city into 174

04:45sub-basins. So,

04:46each little

04:48uh,

04:50area that you see there,

04:52um, all drains to a point. Um, so of

04:55those 174 sub-basins, we could not look

04:58at all of them. We identified the 46

05:01highest risk basins.

05:03And then we did some pretty uh,

05:06stringent modeling to

05:08figure out which ones were the highest

05:10risk based on a business risk risk

05:12exposure, which we'll talk about here on

05:13the next slide. And then we I I started

05:15identifying projects based on that

05:18business risk exposure.

05:21So, business risk risk exposure um, is a

05:24system to prioritize assets and projects

05:26that

05:27we use basically this is a failure of a

05:30probability of failure times the

05:31consequence of failure, which is pretty

05:33consistent with what we use across asset

05:36management in utilities

05:37and the city as a whole.

05:39Um,

05:40probability of failure is what it sounds

05:42like. It's the chance that a pipe

05:44uh, fails whether that be from condition

05:46or because it's undersized.

05:48Consequence of failure we determine by

05:51several factors, proximity to other

05:53assets, flooding of structures and

05:55roads, and of course proximity to

05:57community needs. A pipe near a hospital

05:59is probably more important than a pipe

06:01at a dead end street.

06:06Um

06:07get a little bit more about business

06:09risk exposure. Um

06:11you know, we classified

06:13a percentage for nuisance flooding,

06:15which is kind of short-term yet frequent

06:17flooding that does not actually result

06:18in damage to structures. So, this is,

06:20you know, you drive by a a road and you

06:22note that it ponds in an area.

06:25Um average annualized loss, so

06:29uh

06:29estimated property damage from flood

06:31events,

06:32average annualized population impact,

06:34just the number of people who are

06:35impacted, and the community impacts,

06:37that's where we get into hospitals,

06:38schools, those kinds of of community

06:40assets um when they're at risk.

06:42And then average asset risk, which is

06:44where we get into condition of pipes and

06:46channels.

06:50So, we took all that data and we started

06:52looking at improvements. Um we used

06:54computer modeling to kind of suggest

06:56some improvements and evaluate those. We

06:57leveraged some our existing GIS data

07:01um and some what they call a 2D model um

07:05that was developed for

07:08other needs uh were both used in to kind

07:10of put this report together. Um we

07:12compared the existing system capacity to

07:14100-year storm requirement. Uh basically

07:17in a 100-year event

07:19on a road, water should be no more than

07:216 in over the crown of the road. So,

07:24even in a 100-year event the road should

07:27contain

07:28a flood event.

07:29Um that helps us that those kind of

07:32requirements help us identify undersized

07:33pipes, maybe some channel issues. Um we

07:36also looked at detention opportunities.

07:40Uh Uh,

07:41we then again took all that data and

07:43started developing

07:45projects. So, each basin of the 46 that

07:47we we analyzed

07:49received planning level CIP projects,

07:52which is what a lot of this report is.

07:53It's just project after project after

07:55project that

07:57could be done. Um, so those include pipe

07:59upgrades, system replacements, channel

08:01improvements, uh, maybe some detention

08:03here and there.

08:04Um, and we'll we'll I'll show you an

08:07example of that we looked at existing

08:09conditions and then what an improved

08:11condition looks like.

08:13Um, these projects include maybe some

08:14constructability concerns, um, potential

08:17utility conflicts, potential structural

08:19conflicts,

08:20potential easement limitations, unique

08:22coordination needs, sequencing needs. We

08:25also include some very high-level

08:27planning level estimates.

08:29Um, it obviously does not provide final

08:31design design plans. So, you can't take

08:33this and just start bidding out

08:35projects. There's there's more work that

08:37has to be done before we do

08:39actually bid a project.

08:42Um,

08:43so

08:44talk a little bit here about uh,

08:46a project we're actually just getting

08:48started on now, which is the the Fourth

08:50and California project. Um,

08:53a little confusing here. I know you're

08:55going to look at this graphic and go

08:56there's no difference between the

08:57picture on the left and the right.

09:00There is a little. Um, it'll be more

09:02evident in the next slide. But this is

09:04uh, existing conditions for the 100-year

09:06storm. The one on the left is when water

09:09drains freely into the Shunga. The one

09:11on the right is when the Shunga Nunga

09:12Creek is high and water backs up. Again,

09:15be a be a bigger difference on the next

09:16slide.

09:18Um,

09:19and we'll note that one of the reasons

09:22this ranks high is that is the Scott

09:23Dual Magnet uh,

09:26Scott Dual Language Magnet School

09:28is right there at Fourth and California.

09:32Um, so when we look at this what what

09:34this project is proposing is coming back

09:36with a larger pipe.

09:38Uh

09:39The master plan shows a 9 by 7.

09:41Actually, as we look at

09:43more detailed modeling with I think we

09:44can get away with

09:46a slightly smaller pipe than that. Um

09:48but

09:49this is where you can really see the

09:51difference when the when the Shunga is

09:52open and flowing

09:54uh we

09:56virtually no problems, right? There's a

09:58little bit of ponding on the streets,

09:59but

10:00we we solved the big portions of it. We

10:02still have a pretty major impact when

10:04the Shunga is uh is not open and

10:06flowing.

10:07But not the same.

10:09Uh

10:10so

10:11it does it does make a a pretty big

10:13impact in both cases, but again, some of

10:15that is controlled by by the Shunga

10:17Nunga Creek.

10:21So

10:22that was an example of a project. Like I

10:23said, there's hundreds of of of sheets

10:26like that in the appendices in this

10:28report.

10:29Uh

10:30these were the just the top 10 based on

10:32a on that business risk exposure.

10:35Um one thing that I wanted to mention,

10:37um

10:38you'll see that

10:40many of those have asterisks by them.

10:42They come from another study that was

10:45done for the Shunga Nunga Creek

10:47following the flood of the 2000 the 2007

10:50event uh where much of the Shunga

10:52flooded. Um

10:54we are currently actually today and

10:57yesterday engaged with uh the Army Corps

10:59of Engineers

11:01getting a a study kicked off on what

11:03participation from them might look like

11:05on some of these improvements.

11:07So

11:08they may

11:10they move they may move around a little

11:11bit depending on what the Corps wants to

11:12do, or they may not be exactly what's

11:14shown again in these plans depending on

11:17what kind of of participation and

11:19cooperation we get from them.

11:21Um

11:22but based on the data we had at the

11:24time, that's kind of where they fall

11:26out. Uh

11:27obviously, we talked a little bit

11:29recently about the Westborough detention

11:31basin, um the Lakeside detention basin.

11:34It's not actually in this list, but

11:36however, if you look at if you were to

11:37look at the project sheet for Hunt Tune

11:39Street, you would find that one of the

11:41projects that would make Hunt Tune

11:43Street most effective

11:46is the Lakeside. So, while it's not on

11:48this list, it was still a high priority.

11:51Um

11:53So, some takeaways.

11:55The plan is a tool. It's not a final

11:57design. Um it's really here to help

12:00the city and and somebody

12:02um in my role kind of make sense of

12:04things. Uh we helps us prioritize and

12:06coordinate major improvements.

12:09Um supports both large-scale

12:11storm sewer upgrades, creates a road map

12:13for long-term flood reduction and and

12:15system resilience. I use it pretty

12:17frequently when public works is getting

12:20ready to do a large project and they ask

12:22me if I have any

12:23concerns or upgrades that I need to

12:25make. That's usually a good time to go

12:27ahead and crack this open and see if we

12:28have

12:29flooding issues I want to try to address

12:31while we do a a public works project.

12:34Um

12:35but like I said, not not final design.

12:38It's not have to be exactly those

12:41projects in that exact order. So,

12:43um that's the end of my presentation.

12:46Um questions, I guess.

12:47>> Questions.

12:48>> Okay.

12:49We'll open up questions. Chair

12:51recognizes Councilwoman Ortiz.

12:54>> Next time you bring a document that big,

12:56kind of warn me cuz that kind of scared

12:58me. I thought we were going to be here

12:59all day.

13:01And I know Joe's got things out there he

13:02wants to get done.

13:04Um Fourth and California is my district.

13:07>> Yes, ma'am.

13:07>> And I'm I was thinking when we did That

13:10was Fifth Street when we put in all that

13:12piping. We didn't go down to Fourth

13:14Street, did we?

13:15>> Correct.

13:16>> Okay.

13:17Um how soon will this happen or do you

13:21or can somebody tell me?

13:22>> So, we like I said, we just started

13:24looking at it. Um

13:26so, we'll we'll still have

13:30We've got to finish up the study which

13:32will be done this year, design

13:35most of next year. Hopefully, I'm

13:36bidding it out

13:38towards the end of next year and we're

13:39talking probably spring of '28

13:42construction.

13:45Okay.

13:46>> Spring of '20

13:48>> of '28.

13:49>> Okay.

13:50>> That's you know, some assumptions about

13:51easements and things.

13:52>> And we'll do it while school's out?

13:55>> We will definitely coordinate with the

13:56school and we will try to make sure that

13:59we can do the bits by the school while

14:01school is out.

14:02My understanding right now is that the

14:06I think that there used to be a bus

14:08loading zone over there that they're not

14:09using anymore. So, that there may be it

14:11may not be

14:13quite as complicated, but yeah, we

14:14definitely we've we'll need to continue

14:16to coordinate with them.

14:18>> Well, I don't know where they moved the

14:19bus loading zone then cuz that was my

14:21um

14:22>> That was what you thought.

14:23>> as well. I I can ask and see.

14:26>> Yeah.

14:26>> But, that was always right there at 4th

14:28and California.

14:29>> Yeah, and that

14:30>> Cuz cuz on the north side, that's where

14:31all the parents pick up and drop off and

14:34the buses were on California itself.

14:37>> Yeah. And I like I said, that's a my

14:39understanding, but I I could be wrong

14:41and that was a conversation that

14:42happened maybe

14:43>> Okay. I'll dig into that.

14:44>> a while ago, so.

14:46>> And we'll be back up here prior to that

14:49requesting authority to go ahead and

14:51move ahead with that project and in SAC

14:53we'll have more information on

14:55timelines and and things like that and

14:58more details of that coordination effort

15:00at that time.

15:00>> And we'll definitely have a

15:02you know, a public meeting somewhere

15:03around 60% and then one before

15:05construction as well and definitely

15:07we'll make sure the school is invited

15:09and aware

15:10and we'll yeah, we'll be talking to

15:12them.

15:13>> Okay.

15:14Um another thing is I'm getting old and

15:16if we can make these just a little bit

15:17bigger for me, that'd be great.

15:19>> Okay.

15:20>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

15:22>> Thank you.

15:23Deputy Mayor, you have anything?

15:26>> Yeah.

15:28So, I'm trying to understand of this top

15:3010 list.

15:32>> Yes.

15:33>> A lot of it is Shunga

15:35Nunga.

15:35>> Yes.

15:37>> So,

15:39is Fourth and Cal- California going to

15:41make the biggest difference, or is there

15:43another one

15:47going to help?

15:49I guess I'm trying to understand how

15:50Shunga Nunga

15:52piles into each other.

15:54>> each Yes, this

15:55Fourth and California definitely shows a

15:58big impact based on our business risk

16:00risk exposure scoring. Um a lot of those

16:03Shunga projects do as well, though, too,

16:06right? Um

16:08because they if we

16:10can manage to protect some homes there,

16:13well, we will make a a huge impact. Um

16:17so, just based purely on the math,

16:20purely on on

16:23the scoring system we came up with,

16:24Fourth and California shows the highest

16:26highest benefit.

16:28I think you're probably splitting hairs

16:30a little bit between that and

16:32some of the Shunga projects. Um

16:38but yeah, the like I said, we're working

16:40uh on those Shunga projects right now.

16:42We're talking talking with the Corps of

16:44Engineers.

16:45Um expecting

16:47here

16:48the Corps of Engineers tells me that

16:50their study will have to be done within

16:523 years, and then we'll be moving on to

16:54uh maybe hopefully construction or

16:57implementation of of some of these

16:59Shunga Nunga projects.

17:02>> So, they're looking at the entirety of

17:05it.

17:06>> I'm sorry.

17:07>> They're looking at the entirety of

17:09>> of the Shunga.

17:10>> Shunga.

17:10>> Yep. Yes.

17:12>> Okay. So,

17:14even if we

17:16I guess what I'm concerned about is

17:19if we make one of these changes

17:22is that going to have an impact

17:27a negative impact on any of the others?

17:31I just want to make sure that we're

17:33>> Yeah, we

17:34>> hitting the right part.

17:36>> Understood. We definitely consider

17:38downstream impacts when we when we do

17:40things. Anything we do with core, we're

17:42not going to be able to

17:44what they call it induce damages

17:46downstream or upstream anyway, so

17:47anything we do is going to have to not

17:50cause

17:51damage.

17:52Um

17:54Fourth in California, while it

17:56drains to the Shunga, the

17:59that tail water condition, um

18:01the admittedly somewhat confusing

18:03graphic I showed

18:05uh

18:05the Shunga skin can control how much of

18:07that Fourth in California can outlet

18:09anyway to some extent.

18:12Um but yeah, we definitely look at

18:13downstream impacts. We're not going to

18:14do anything to to hurt ourselves.

18:17Um

18:18>> Zack, is it safe to say you're kind of

18:20tabling the Shunga projects until we get

18:23that bigger study done and and that's

18:26why you're looking at other projects

18:27that we can afford and and can fit into

18:30a plan that maybe aren't so impacted or

18:33impacting work along the Shunga?

18:38>> I guess I I would phrase it as a little

18:41differently in that those Shunga

18:43projects aren't tabled, but part of the

18:44process is working with the core, and

18:47that's what we're doing.

18:49And literally as we speak today.

18:52Um

18:54Fourth in California is project that

18:56falls in that we we kind of mapped out

18:58in the CIP that falls into something

19:00that we can afford to do

19:03in these next 2 years. And

19:06we are further away from constructing a

19:08Shunga project than that by the time we

19:09get

19:11>> through the core.

19:11>> through through through the core.

19:14>> Okay.

19:15Um

19:18So, do we have any other projects

19:21going in next year?

19:24>> So, the one that's going to be built

19:27next year is not

19:29on this top 10 list in part because it

19:31was in the works when this study was

19:33published. Um but that that one is along

19:37Prairie Road. We had some major flooding

19:39on Prairie Road in 2020.

19:42Um

19:43that's kind of

19:44be the big one next year.

19:46Um that's the 2200 block of Prairie

19:48Road, which is just east of Fairlawn.

19:52>> Yeah, I know it's just east of Fairlawn.

19:53I'm trying to figure out 2200, so

19:56>> South of 21st.

19:57>> Actually, it's District 8.

20:01Okay.

20:04So, that's the one that we're looking at

20:06for next year.

20:06>> Correct.

20:08Correct.

20:10And then, you know, obviously we'll have

20:11other stormwater projects in conjunction

20:13with public works um

20:16and you know, maybe some smaller ones

20:17that we can fit in here and there, but

20:19yeah.

20:22>> Okay.

20:24I'm good.

20:25>> Okay. Thank you.

20:26My only question or concern would be

20:29that's the work on the top 10

20:32>> Mhm.

20:32>> uh was a little bit concerned about how

20:34it might affect Butcher's Creek.

20:37>> Yeah, um

20:41we've learned a little more about

20:43Butcher Creek this year

20:45than I I think we knew at the time of

20:47this report.

20:48Um

20:50and I am

20:51you'll

20:56we're working through the impacts of

20:57Butcher Creek. I am likewise

20:59>> Mhm.

21:00>> concerned about what we saw on Butcher

21:01Creek this year. And when we look at the

21:05what we've seen

21:07from the

21:09flood mapping efforts that are

21:12underway at the state level, it shows

21:14some pretty significant changes on

21:17Butcher Creek, some pretty significant

21:18impacts that I don't know were

21:20necessarily reflected when this report

21:22was written in '23. So, that may also be

21:25Like I said, this doesn't have to be

21:26something we live and die by.

21:28Um so, we Butcher Creek is definitely a

21:31consideration going forward.

21:38>> Chair, just just want to reiterate that

21:41last last week when we spoke about

21:44development of an infrastructure

21:45management plan

21:47um that we would take these these types

21:48of plans this as well as our streets

21:51plans um and update that based upon

21:55priority, based upon things that we

21:57know. We shared with you the uh last

21:59week the preliminary report that was up

22:01for Butcher Creek in the Butcher Creek

22:03area that was completed by WSP. So,

22:06to Zach's point, these are these are

22:08living documents that as priorities

22:11arise, as they shift, that we have the

22:13opportunity as this being a planning

22:15document to modify that based upon uh

22:19known and upcoming priorities. So, yeah,

22:23again, the the team uh has put focus on

22:26Butcher Creek to Zach's point

22:28understanding what occurred earlier this

22:30year. Um and so, yes, so again, these

22:33are living documents that we can adjust

22:36as needed based upon priorities.

22:39>> Thank you, city manager. Thank you,

22:41Zach.

22:41>> I have something.

22:42>> Chair recognizes Deputy Mayor.

22:45>> Zach, is it possible

22:48I'm sorry, this thing

22:50part of it's my eyes.

22:53I can't tell where any of these areas

22:55are in the city. Can we get one that's

22:57bigger that kind of gives us an idea of

22:59where the roads are? At least the main

23:02roads, so we can identify

23:05spots and I'd like the whole council to

23:08have a copy of that.

23:09>> Sure.

23:09>> So we can each see what's a problem in

23:12our neighborhoods and keep an eye out

23:14for when we have rain event.

23:17That way we know that it's

23:19this is a problem on our list or if

23:21something comes up and we see that that

23:23area

23:24has a real problem and it hasn't been

23:26identified, we can

23:28>> Yeah, absolutely.

23:29Absolutely. Well, we'll reach out to

23:31vanish and see if I can get a clearer

23:33copy cuz even the copy that's in here is

23:36hard to read. So we'll see if we can't

23:38get a better better copy of it.

23:40>> Thank you. I'd appreciate that.

23:42>> Thank you.

23:43>> One more.

23:44>> Do you recognize this councilwoman

23:46Ortiz?

23:46>> Zack, I'll I will call you. I know 6th

23:49and um Liberty

23:51flood not Liberty.

23:54Maybe it is Liberty, but it floods and I

23:56know you talked about it's not hurting

23:58anything, but when it rains it it

24:01floods. I want to I want to see if

24:02that's on the list and talk to you about

24:04it.

24:04>> Okay. I

24:06Like I said, it it may be in here, it

24:08doesn't sound familiar, um but there are

24:10a lot of projects in here. Um I'll take

24:12a look.

24:13And yeah, we can we can at least look at

24:15it.

24:16>> Let me get make sure that's Liberty

24:17though.

24:17>> Okay.

24:18>> Cuz it's um Locust.

24:21>> All right.

24:22>> No, I would go the other way. Locust and

24:24then Liberty.

24:28It's it's um one street over from

24:32Lafayette. No, there's Lafayette and

24:34then it's the one street east of

24:36Lafayette.

24:38That corner that corner

24:40>> Yeah, I I've done a little work on

24:42Lafayette. I don't

24:45I don't recall 6th and Liberty being in

24:47here, but that we can we can look.

24:49>> Yeah, I'll I'll make sure I get with

24:50you. Okay. Thank you.

24:52>> Lafayette, Locust and then Lawrence as

24:55you move to the west.

24:56>> Laurent Laurant

24:57>> Laurant's

24:58>> to the west.

24:59>> Leland

25:00>> Okay.

25:01>> I got Leland one block east of

25:03Lafayette.

25:03>> We'll figure it out. Yeah.

25:06Mhm, and then Liberty.

25:08Yeah. So 6th and Leland is what

25:11>> I'll drive home.

25:14I'll remind this old brain of these

25:16things so

25:18>> I want to say it. I think it is Leland.

25:20I think you are all right.

25:21>> Okay.

25:25>> Okay. If there are no other questions

25:27from the committee

25:29we'll move on to presentation 3B

25:33public engagement procedure.

25:47Welcome director.

25:49>> Thank you, sir.

25:51Uh so we'll go through a brief

25:53presentation a quick overview

25:55of how we handle public engagement and

25:57then we'll discuss the topic that is the

25:58product of what I'm about. When we're

26:00having projects, how are we

26:02uh

26:03how are we making sure that the public

26:05is aware of the projects, how are we

26:07giving them an opportunity to ask

26:08questions,

26:09uh how are we making sure that they're

26:11staying informed uh of how the project

26:13is progressing. So what we wanted to do

26:14today was go over what our standard

26:16procedures are and how members of the

26:18public can be informed and get

26:20communication about construction

26:22projects in their area.

26:24So the first thing that I want to go

26:26over is the public meetings that are

26:27held as part of construction projects.

26:29Now the public meetings are extremely

26:31important. We typically hold two public

26:34meetings for any construction project.

26:36The first meeting is going to be a

26:37design meeting. That's typically going

26:39to be 6 months or more before the

26:40project actually starts and that's going

26:42to be where the city staff and a design

26:45consultant are there. Uh typically when

26:47we have either 60 or 90% plans. Now the

26:50important thing about the

26:52design meeting is that we're far enough

26:54along at this point that we have an idea

26:56of what the approximate uh cost of the

26:58project is going to be and what the

27:00approximate scope of the project is

27:01going to be.

27:02That way we can answer questions at this

27:04point when people are asking us, "What

27:06exactly is going to happen in front of

27:08my home? Are you going to be doing, you

27:10know, tearing the street out? Are you

27:11just patching? Uh what's going to be

27:14uh interruption to my business? Are you

27:16going to affect my tree? Etc., etc." So,

27:19we need to wait until we have some of

27:20those decisions somewhat mapped out

27:22before we can have the public meeting

27:24for design, but there are still an

27:26opportunity to make design changes. So,

27:28the designs are not final at this point.

27:31When we get feedback from the public,

27:32there is still some opportunity to

27:33change the scope of the project. We

27:35typically will also hold a construction

27:37meeting. That construction meeting is

27:39going to be held typically 1 month or

27:40less before the construction start.

27:42We'll have city staff there. We'll also

27:44have the design consultant who drew up

27:46the plans, and then we'll have the

27:47contractor present as well. This is when

27:49the design plans are complete. So, for

27:51the most part, there will be no more

27:53changes at this point to what the what

27:54the construction will be,

27:56and the construction schedule is set.

27:58So, now we have a fairly good idea of

28:00when the construction is going to start

28:02and how long each phase is going to

28:03last. So, if you're a property owner,

28:05you can ask, "Well, how long until you

28:07get in front of my home? Or what is

28:08going to be the sequence of the work

28:10that you're going to do?" Uh we can also

28:12share contact information of the project

28:13managers, the people that are going to

28:15be working on site every day, and also

28:17the city staff that you can get in touch

28:18with if you have questions. And then

28:20we'll have detailed information like

28:22when each phase is going to be projected

28:23and how we're going to maintain access

28:25to each property. So, there's a picture

28:27of one of our public meetings that we

28:28held. Uh the reason these meetings are

28:30so important is you can speak directly

28:33to the decision makers, the people who

28:34are making the decisions on what exactly

28:37this project is going to entail, when

28:38it's going to happen, and how it's going

28:39to be sequenced. Uh you we're also going

28:42to share contact information so we can

28:43each hold each other accountable. You

28:45You a lot of times people want to go out

28:47and talk to whoever's on site and say,

28:49"Well, this isn't what the plan said."

28:51And the contractor might tell you,

28:52"Well, I'm just doing what I'm told."

28:54You have the contact information to

28:55contact the city staff, find out exactly

28:58what the instructions were. Uh let us

29:00know if the contractor is doing

29:01something that wasn't what was agreed

29:03to. Then also, if the contractor is

29:05telling you, "Well, I have to go off the

29:06plans." then you can contact the person

29:08who made those plans and find out why

29:10that decision was made. Uh you can ask

29:12questions. We can review at each

29:14property what exactly is going to happen

29:16in front of your location. And then you

29:18can ask whatever questions you like.

29:20Who's paying for this? How are we paying

29:21for this? Or something as simple as

29:24where am I going to leave my trash can

29:25when the trash person comes to pick it

29:27up when you've got the street closed. Or

29:29how loud are you going to be? Should I

29:30be looking at finding a hotel for some

29:32of this work because I'm not going to be

29:33able to take my afternoon nap. We've

29:35heard all kinds of questions at those

29:37public meetings. We want you to come ask

29:38those questions and have a good

29:40expectation of what's going to happen in

29:41front of your property. Uh we also want

29:43your contact information. So, that's why

29:45it's very important to attend the public

29:46meeting. There's a sign-up. Uh you can

29:48put your email in. That will allow us to

29:51get in touch with you for anything as

29:53important as a major change in the

29:55project schedule or maybe the contractor

29:57just wants to know uh he can email you

29:59to say, "Hey, we're going to be right in

30:00front of your house tomorrow. If you

30:01could get your car off the street, that

30:03way there's no chance of it getting

30:04damaged while we're digging up the

30:05street." Um so, they want that

30:07information as well.

30:09So, how do we invite people to the

30:10public meeting? Uh so, our communication

30:12staff does a great job before any

30:14project. They go out and do a parcel

30:15search. Um they look for all the

30:18adjacent properties to the project and

30:20then they send a postcard. So, what

30:22you're seeing on the screen is an

30:23example of what that postcard looks

30:24like. They're going to send it to both

30:26the physical address and the property

30:29owner's address if they're different.

30:30So, if for example, there's a business

30:32operating at that location but the owner

30:34is a different party, both addresses are

30:37going to receive that notification. Uh

30:39for a larger project, we'll extend one

30:41or two blocks in either direction. We'll

30:43also include uh local school districts

30:46in that communication as well. So, if

30:47it's affecting their bus routes, they'll

30:49know and they can come and attend that

30:50meeting if they so choose. And then also

30:52all public meetings are posted to the

30:54city website. We put them on Facebook,

30:56Nextdoor. We also reach out to any of

30:58the NIAs if there's an NIA active in

31:00that neighborhood so they are aware of

31:01it. And on that postcard, it'll tell you

31:03where the meeting will be held and also

31:05give you contact information. So, if

31:07you're not able to attend, you know who

31:08to reach out to if you have questions

31:10but you can't be there on that

31:11particular night.

31:13Um

31:13for some of our larger projects, some of

31:15the further engagement we do, we'll

31:16actually have the design consultant

31:18visit each business to share contact

31:20information and discuss key information

31:22with the properties that are going to be

31:23adjacent to the work. Um that'll be

31:25things like major access points to their

31:27business or their property. Uh they can

31:29also tell us what key events are

31:31happening. So, if we say, "Oh, we're

31:32going to have We actually have this big

31:34thing we do every year. It's exactly on

31:36this day. Could we possibly get a little

31:38more access for that event?" That's

31:39something they can discuss with the

31:41design consultant. Also, for all

31:43projects, the contractor's required to

31:45provide door hangers and or make

31:46in-person contact. That's typically done

31:4948 hours before any traffic disruption.

31:51Um so, if they can't make contact with

31:53the property owner, they're going to

31:54hang something on the door with a number

31:56that they can reach out and get more

31:57information. And then also 48 hours

31:59before we do any kind of closure on city

32:02streets, there's a traffic disruption

32:03that's sent out that goes to the media.

32:05That also goes to any transportation

32:07organizations like Topeka Metro, the

32:09school districts, anybody who's offering

32:11transportation services in Topeka so

32:13that they know when this road closure is

32:15going to take place and if they need to

32:16set up alternative routes, they know

32:18that's going to take place. And we also

32:20issue press releases for any major

32:21projects so that if any of the local

32:23media has interest, um they can request

32:26interviews uh for stories that they'd

32:27like to do about how it's going to

32:29impact the public.

32:31Um also, we on our city website, we have

32:34uh web pages where you can go and get

32:35updates on projects.

32:38And so you can see where the public

32:39meetings are going to be held and get

32:41any information about um if you didn't

32:43get a chance to view the presentation or

32:44attend the meeting, look at that

32:46presentation and that will also have all

32:48the contact information if you're not

32:49able to attend in person.

32:51So that I'm happy to answer any

32:52questions.

32:54>> Thank you, Director.

32:56Questions from the committee for

32:58Director.

32:59Chair recognizes Councilwoman Ortiz.

33:02>> I don't have a question, but I do have a

33:03comment. I think the sheets with

33:05everybody's information below, I really

33:08like that and the cute code. I really,

33:10really like that. Cuz a lot of times

33:13when people don't get to the meetings,

33:15I'll either send them one of them or

33:16they'll or tell them where the code's at

33:18or whatever. And so they're helpful for

33:20me that I don't have to come back and

33:21ask all those questions. So I hope we

33:23continue to do that.

33:24>> Absolutely.

33:25>> Thank you.

33:26>> Thanks.

33:28Deputy Mayor, question for Director.

33:30>> No.

33:31>> Okay.

33:33I don't have anything. Thank you,

33:34Director.

33:35>> Okay, fantastic.

33:37>> Moving on to

33:39action item

33:40number four on the agenda.

33:42Uh action item 4A, traffic disruption

33:46permits.

33:48>> So

33:49uh what we have for you today is a

33:51proposed change to the ordinance. This

33:52is something that

33:54um we are trying to reflect what is our

33:56actual practices today.

33:58Um so these will be modifications to uh

34:00four ordinances, which you can see.

34:02We've included copies of the ordinances

34:03themselves to show the exact language.

34:06Um but I'll just walk through a brief

34:07presentation of what this would do in

34:09summary. So the first would be adding a

34:11right-of-way construction permit,

34:13removing the traffic disruption permit,

34:15and then also adding and defining a

34:17traffic disruption notice.

34:19Uh so the changes would be we would

34:21change the definition of a right-of-way

34:24permit to remove the language about a

34:26traffic disruption permit, and then we

34:28would add a definition for a

34:29right-of-way construction permit. So

34:31what happens now is according to the

34:33code, uh we have a requirement for a

34:35traffic disruption permit. What we'd

34:37like to do is in lieu of a traffic

34:40disruption permit, we would have a

34:41permit for right of way construction.

34:44So, anytime you're doing construction

34:45that affects the right of way, we'd get

34:47a right of way construction permit.

34:49Currently in the code, um there are

34:51different types of right of way

34:53construction permits. You'd have to have

34:54a separate permit for a sidewalk or for

34:57a driveway. What this would allow you to

34:59do is get one permit. It would encompass

35:01all of the work. You could list out what

35:03work you're doing without having to

35:04apply for separate permits. And then

35:06also,

35:08that would include a component if there

35:09is traffic disruption associated with

35:11it. So, we would be replacing that

35:14traffic disruption permit with that

35:16right of way permit.

35:19And then we also would add a traffic

35:21disruption notice. So, this would mean

35:23that once you have the permit, the

35:25permit would generally outline when

35:26you're going to when you're going to

35:27have construction, but then you would be

35:29required, if this is going to disrupt

35:32actual traffic in the right of way,

35:34you'd have to provide notice 48 hours in

35:36advance so that we could, just like we

35:38talked about with our projects, if

35:40there's a private entity that's

35:41disrupting traffic and they're permitted

35:43to do that, they send out that

35:45notification 48 hours in advance.

35:47Everybody who operates transportation

35:49within the city of Topeka is aware. This

35:52is typically something that's done by

35:54things like franchise utilities, gas

35:55companies, utility companies, or anytime

35:58there's construction and you know, it's

36:00the safest way to perform that is to

36:02block a lane of traffic, uh then they

36:04can

36:05provide this traffic disruption uh

36:06notice.

36:07Uh and then like I said, we'd be adding

36:09the right of way permit requirement,

36:10removing that traffic disruption permit

36:12language. So, this is really just

36:14cleaning up the ordinance, having one

36:16permit that covers multiple types of

36:18construction within the right of way,

36:19and then clarifying if you are planning

36:21to do construction in the right of way,

36:23you need to have a right of way permit,

36:25and you also need to provide a traffic

36:26disruption notice that takes place

36:28immediately before the work is being

36:29performed.

36:31That I'm happy to answer any questions.

36:34>> Any questions or comments from the

36:36committee?

36:39I think it makes

36:40total sense.

36:43To

36:43>> is one that we would need a vote to

36:45recommend this to the full governing

36:47body.

36:49>> Okay, motion has been made by

36:50Councilwoman Ortiz

36:52for the amendment.

36:55I'll second.

36:59Okay.

37:00Still reading, Deputy Mayor.

37:11We're good. Motion has been made and

37:13seconded. All in favor

37:16say I.

37:17>> I.

37:17>> I.

37:18>> I.

37:19>> All opposed, same sign.

37:21Okay.

37:23Motion carries, 3-0.

37:29Moving on to

37:31action item 4B,

37:33capital improvement project exceeding

37:36250,000 on 21st and Wanamaker.

37:40>> So, this would be a project with a

37:42budget of 1.4 million dollars. This is

37:45part of our pavement preservation

37:47program that's in the CIP.

37:48Uh what would be what we would be

37:50proposing to do here in 2027 is to do

37:53reconstruction of the 21st 21st Street

37:57approach labs at I-470 and then also

37:59doing patching and spot repair on 24

38:02Street 21st Street, excuse me, from

38:04I-470 to Wanamaker and patching on

38:06Wanamaker from 21st Street to I-470 and

38:09Winding Road. So, if you travel down

38:11Wanamaker, you're probably familiar with

38:13the fact that earlier this summer

38:15um we did an ultra-thin bonded asphaltic

38:18surface between 10th Street and 470 and

38:21then also on Wanamaker from 21st to 29th

38:23Street. We have always anticipated doing

38:26the section between those. However,

38:28before we can apply that uh U-Bass

38:31surface, we need to come in and do some

38:32patching and some filling to make sure

38:34we have a nice smooth surface that we

38:35can lay down on top of. And then also,

38:38if you've ever uh been traveling down

38:4021st Street on and getting on to uh

38:42I-470, you know that those approach

38:45slabs right before the KDOT bridge uh

38:47are fairly well deteriorated. We have to

38:49reconstruct those. Those will be

38:50concrete reconstruction. There will be

38:52closures associated with that. So, we

38:55will have some limited turning

38:56movements. Uh you will not be able to

38:58turn left onto I-470 from 21st Street uh

39:02during that time. So, we will have to

39:03have detours. We anticipate each one

39:05will be about 6 weeks in length. Uh but

39:07this project is very much needed in

39:09order to replace those concrete approach

39:11slabs. Uh we would do this, but there'd

39:13still be traffic open one way, and you'd

39:15still be able to turn right onto I-470,

39:17but we would restrict left turn

39:19movements. And we anticipate performing

39:21this work

39:22uh starting in May. Um we're looking to

39:25avoid the Topeka West calendar year so

39:27that this would not be going on and be

39:28disrupting traffic on 21st Street during

39:30the school year, when we know there's a

39:32lot of traffic to Topeka West. So,

39:34um we'd be recommending approval to

39:36start this project in May.

39:39>> Questions or comments from the

39:40committee?

39:42Chair Reconnaiss Deputy Mayor.

39:44>> I

39:46um

39:48I'm glad to see that it's not going to

39:49be considered during the uh

39:51holiday season, either.

39:55Cuz

39:56even back to school

39:58could be pretty iffy. So, if we can work

40:00around the best we can,

40:03heavy shopping times,

40:05that would be appreciated.

40:06>> Actually, so that was one of the things

40:08we considered um as to why we didn't

40:10attempt to do 21st to 29th and

40:13Huntington to 21st at the the time. We

40:16didn't want to risk disrupting the

40:18holiday shopping season uh and getting

40:19too far into winter. So, we decided to

40:21break that up into two seasons and

40:23hopefully accomplish this during the

40:25summer season when we don't have the

40:26school traffic and and the shopping is a

40:28little bit lighter.

40:29>> And you said time of

40:31work is about 6 weeks?

40:33>> So, we estimate 6 weeks closure

40:37on that left turning movements.

40:39>> Okay.

40:39>> Um onto I-470. Another factor is we know

40:43that KDOT is planning on to do some work

40:45along 470. That's in 2029, but we want

40:48to make sure that if we're going to be

40:50detouring people to other exits, that we

40:52have less congestion and we have good

40:54flow on 470 during that time.

40:57>> Okay, so what you're telling me is it's

41:00say I'm coming from the

41:03east

41:04>> Mhm.

41:04>> and I get to 21st Street and I'm getting

41:07on, which is generally pretty backed up.

41:11I will not be able to turn left

41:14>> Correct.

41:14>> when they're doing the work, but I turn

41:15can turn right.

41:16>> Correct. So, you could get on 470 going

41:18north towards, for example, the Huntoon

41:21exit, but if you were wanting to turn

41:24left going south towards the Fairlawn

41:26and 29th Street exit, that would not be

41:28available to you. So, we'd have detours

41:30either directing you to the

41:33entrance at Huntoon or to Fairlawn and

41:3629th Street if you want to get on going

41:38in that direction.

41:40>> Okay, just

41:42for those rogue people,

41:44if they do come off and they want to

41:46turn left,

41:48if they would go, say, down to

41:50QuickTrip, turn around, and head back

41:53west, could they go straight through?

41:58>> You lost me at QuickTrip.

42:00>> Okay, you come off the exit, you turn

42:03right.

42:03>> Okay.

42:04>> And you've got QuickTrip and you've got

42:06Helping Hands.

42:07>> Quick Shop, got you.

42:08>> So, if they Sorry, yeah, it is Quick

42:11Shop.

42:13The new one threw me off.

42:14>> Yep, understood.

42:15>> But you turn around.

42:16>> Mhm.

42:17>> And you come back out. Can you head

42:19straight west on 21st or will that be

42:21closed that you couldn't?

42:23>> So we anticipate keeping through traffic

42:26on 21st Street east and west. So yes,

42:28you would be able to travel straight

42:30through on 21st Street in either

42:31direction. We would just be limiting the

42:34turning movements.

42:35>> Okay.

42:36Then I'm

42:37>> exiting the interstate would still have

42:39ability to turn left or right as you're

42:42making the exit.

42:43Uh that's our anticipated construction

42:45plan today. We don't have full design

42:46yet, but that's what we're um

42:49intending to keep operable.

42:51>> When we get to the neighborhood meeting,

42:55I want to make sure somebody gets there

42:57from

42:59QuickTrip, Helping Hands, anyone around

43:01there that could see a surge in traffic

43:04of people

43:06that come off the interstate and get mad

43:08and

43:09decide, "Oh, I'll go down here, whip

43:11around, and head back."

43:14It's going to cause problems and I know

43:16people are going to do it.

43:17>> Yeah. Certainly parking lots become

43:19convenient U-turns despite our

43:22>> best

43:23>> our objections to stop them.

43:25>> So yeah, I want to make sure that they

43:27know what's happening.

43:29>> Absolutely.

43:30>> Okay.

43:32And we are going to notify everybody

43:34along along Wanamaker.

43:36>> That's correct.

43:37>> Okay.

43:41>> Any other questions or comment for the

43:43director on this

43:45on uh

43:474B?

43:49>> And I move to approve.

43:51>> Okay. Motion has been made to approve.

43:54>> Second.

43:55>> And seconded.

43:57All in favor, say I.

44:00>> I.

44:01>> I. All opposed,

44:03same sign.

44:05Seeing none,

44:06motion passes 3-0.

44:10Moving on to action item 4C,

44:14resolution for capital improvement

44:16project uh

44:182027 pavement preservation

44:20micro-surfacing project.

44:23>> So, this is a uh program uh as part of

44:26our pavement preservation program. So,

44:28the micro-surfacing program is the

44:30program where we apply a 1/4 in to 3/8

44:33in slurry on top of the road. So, this

44:35is not add structural improvements to

44:36the road, but this does protect the road

44:38from oxidation from sunshine. Also,

44:40protects it from moisture intrusion.

44:42Provides a nice uh clean uniform

44:44pavement surface. So, improves the

44:45driveability.

44:47Um this is something that's typically

44:48done on local roads.

44:50Um we will also be using in 2027 some

44:53additional treatments in addition to

44:54that micro-surfacing, which is a scrub

44:56seal and fog seal. Uh that's an

44:58additional program that we're

44:59experimenting with in some locations.

45:00We've seen good success. Uh so, that

45:03applies a little bit thicker aggregate.

45:05It also gives you a little bit better

45:06crack sealing. And then, we apply a fog

45:08seal on top to really glue all that down

45:11uh and provide a good uniform surface.

45:13Um so, the area that we'll be targeting

45:16targeting in 2027 is the northeast

45:18quadrant. Uh so, that's from the

45:20northeast quadrant of the city. It

45:22doesn't follow the address. That's north

45:24of 21st Street and east of Topeka

45:26Boulevard. Um so, we'll be primarily in

45:28the northeast part of the city in 2027.

45:30We do have a few additional routes um

45:33which will be on Gage from 33rd Terrace

45:35to 37th Street and 44th 45th Street from

45:38Gage to the city limits. Um other

45:40notable streets, Kansas from Highway 24

45:42to Menninger and then Sardou from River

45:45Road to Straights. These are all be

45:46locations where we'll be looking to do

45:48some additional um surface uh treatment

45:50to the road. Gives you better driving

45:52surface and further protects the road

45:54from oxidation

45:56Thought I'd ask for and be open to any

45:57questions or uh request approval.

46:01>> Questions from the Chair recognizes

46:03Deputy Mayor.

46:04>> The solid lines are the ones that are

46:06definitely being done.

46:08The dashed lines are the

46:10um possible additions.

46:13>> So, I believe the dashed lines are the

46:16city boundary and then those double pink

46:18lines are the areas that we will

46:21definitely be doing.

46:22Uh and then the

46:23>> Sorry, we're in black and white.

46:25>> Yep, understood.

46:26Um so, those if you look on the screen,

46:28those dashed lines indicate the city

46:29boundary. So, that kind of tells you

46:31where the edge of the city is. So,

46:33typically with this program, we go out

46:35to uh bid and get as many streets done

46:38as we possibly can. So, we don't know

46:40the exact locations until we go out to

46:42bid and see what pricing we'll get back

46:43from the contractors. But, we do have a

46:45couple identified identified locations

46:47which will definitely be included in the

46:49bid.

46:50>> Okay.

46:54Wow, fun boundaries.

47:06>> Motion to approve that we tried before?

47:08>> I wonder if this is the one we just

47:10tried to approve or annex

47:14at 37th and Gage

47:16for St. Paul's Church and another lot.

47:20So, that may be changed.

47:21>> So, this is actually 33rd to 37th.

47:26So, this would be going around

47:28>> is showing me the boundary right here,

47:3037th going south.

47:32>> Correct.

47:32>> So, I think that may be now

47:34in the city boundaries.

47:35>> Yes.

47:40>> Sorry, Sylvia.

47:41>> No, I just I was just nobody said

47:43nothing.

47:49>> You're still pondering, Deputy Mayor.

47:52>> Nope, I'm good now.

47:53>> Okay.

47:54Thank you. Any other questions or

47:56comment from the committee?

47:58Okay. Seeking motion for approval.

48:02>> So moved.

48:03>> Okay.

48:04>> And I'll second.

48:05>> Okay. Motion made by Councilwoman Ortiz,

48:07seconded by Deputy Mayor Halfer.

48:10Uh we'll take our vote.

48:12All in favor,

48:14say I.

48:15>> I.

48:16>> I.

48:16>> I. All opposed, same sign.

48:20Hearing none, motion carries.

48:24We're moving on to action item 4D,

48:27a res- another resolution capital

48:30improvement project uh

48:33pavement preservation

48:35project.

48:37>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, in addition to

48:39the micro-surfacing program, this is for

48:41the UBAS or the ultra-thin bonded

48:43asphaltic surface. So, this is the

48:45micro-surface we said was about a

48:47quarter inch to three in- 3/8 inch

48:49slurry. UBAS is about a 5/8 inch uh

48:52treatment that is placed on top of the

48:53pavement, so a little more structure, a

48:55little bit longer lasting.

48:57Um and the locations that we're

48:58proposing to do uh would be 10th Street

49:01from McVicar to I-70, Gage from 6th to

49:0412th, and 6th from Banner to Golden. Uh

49:07if funds allow, we would also include

49:08Washburn and Lane from 17th to 10th, and

49:11Branner from 10th to 15th. In total,

49:13there are three projects. That's because

49:15there are some money from previous years

49:16that was not fully spent that we are

49:18confident we can spend in 2027. So, this

49:21is a program that we've just started uh

49:23treatment program that we've just

49:24started in the past couple of years. Um

49:26we feel very strongly that it's a good

49:28treatment, and we know the best roads

49:29now that uh we feel more confident in

49:31doing more roads in 2027 because we know

49:34where this will work best, and that this

49:36will be a good treatment um for these

49:38particular roads.

49:40Um as I said, it's a 5/8 inch treatment.

49:42It can be applied very quickly.

49:43Typically on these projects, we'll have

49:45to go out and do a little bit of

49:46patching and prep work, and then the

49:48actual uh UBAS surface can be applied

49:51very quickly, so we can do this with

49:52limited closures uh on each of these

49:54locations.

49:55That I'd be happy to answer any

49:56questions.

49:57>> Okay, I've got a question.

49:59>> Absolutely.

50:00>> Chair recognizes Deputy Mayor Halfer.

50:03>> Okay, west of Fairlawn.

50:05Tawana Maker.

50:06>> Correct.

50:07>> That was fairly new. Does it really need

50:09U-Bass?

50:11>> So,

50:12um I don't believe we have anything on

50:15west of Fairlawn 6th Street on this

50:18particular program. So, Fairlawn um

50:20between So, on 6th Street between

50:23Fairlawn and the bridge, there is a a

50:26different program

50:27um where we'll be doing some um

50:30concrete replacement and patching.

50:32>> I'm looking at 10th Street.

50:34>> So, we actually I apologize. There is

50:38So, if you look on the map there,

50:40the

50:41uh we inadvertently mapped out there.

50:43That's from McVicar to I-470. That

50:46should have been mapped from McVicar to

50:48I-70. So, the address you're seeing here

50:51on the screen,

50:54and we'll get an updated map to be

50:56included in the council presentation,

50:57but this is showing from McVicar west.

51:00This should actually be showing from

51:01McVicar

51:01east.

51:02>> East.

51:03Okay.

51:06Yeah, I it wasn't making sense to me.

51:08>> Yeah. So, we'll get that um attachment

51:10updated uh if approved before it goes to

51:12full council.

51:14>> Okay.

51:16>> Any other questions or comments?

51:20>> Motion to approve.

51:21>> Second.

51:22>> Okay, motion has been made and seconded.

51:24Motion made by Councilwoman Ortiz,

51:26seconded by Deputy Mayor to approve.

51:30Uh we'll take a vote. All in favor,

51:33say I.

51:34>> I.

51:35>> All opposed, same sign.

51:38Hearing none,

51:40motion carries 3-0.

51:44Move to action item 4E.

52:08>> That's me, isn't it? So,

52:11>> Thank you.

52:13>> Um, good morning.

52:15>> Good morning, Director.

52:16Good morning, Director. I'm sorry.

52:18>> It's okay.

52:21Um, I just want to make sure that I

52:24have the same thing you do for 4E.

52:32Shunga Creek. Okay.

52:35So, uh, the Utilities Department is

52:38coming before you today, uh, to seek

52:41approval recommendation to move on to

52:43the governing body approval for, um,

52:47reconstruction of the creek bank along a

52:49section of Shunga. Um,

52:51we're referring to this as Shunga Oak

52:53Creek. This project is, um, total

52:57estimated cost of $300,000.

53:00Um, again, reconstruction only. So, this

53:03would not be making any channel

53:05improvements that would improve or

53:08mitigate flooding. This is purely to

53:11address, um, erosion and in bank

53:14degradation that is jeopardizing

53:17structures

53:18at this point. So, um, we've worked

53:21with, uh,

53:22consulting engineer to, um, come up with

53:24this cost and and potential design to

53:27help protect, uh, that bank from further

53:30erosion. So, uh, if approved, we will

53:34look to, um,

53:36negotiating and and working out a

53:38construction plan. So, right now, the

53:40best estimate is early 2027. Definitely

53:44need to be working with weather and and

53:46water levels in that channel

53:48to see what we can do.

53:50However, some of the solution is is

53:52fairly simple. To do stream bank work

53:54for $300,000 is is actually

53:58um

53:58very that's a very good price and

54:01I think a very reasonable approach to

54:04mitigating the damage that's occurred

54:06and and deflecting the water towards the

54:08center line of the channel.

54:10Again, so we can reduce erosion that's

54:13occurring there.

54:15With that, I will stand for whatever

54:17questions you might have.

54:20>> Any questions or comments for Director

54:22Davis?

54:33>> I move to approve.

54:35>> Okay.

54:36Motion has been made. Looking for a

54:38second for approval.

54:43>> Second.

54:44>> Okay.

54:44Motion has been made and seconded. Um

54:47we'll take a vote. All in favor sign I.

54:52>> I.

54:52>> I.

54:54All opposed, same sign.

54:57Hearing none,

54:58motion carries 3-0.

55:01Moving on to action item

55:044F,

55:06resolution capital improvement projects,

55:09Lafayette, Indiana project.

55:12>> Yep. So,

55:14this is another request for approval of

55:16a construction of a project that's ready

55:18for construction and exceeds $250,000.

55:22This is a sanitary sewer replacement

55:25between This is along an alley 10th

55:28Avenue from Lafayette to Indiana.

55:31The total project budget is estimated at

55:341. It's over $1.2 million, so

55:37$1,223,000.

55:41$223,514

55:44for the sanitary sewer replacement.

55:47We're working on easement acquisition

55:49now. We've We've had to really do a lot

55:51of work to get some temporary easements

55:53to do construction in that area, but

55:55once we complete that, hopefully

55:58by the end of November,

56:00we can start construction in early

56:02spring.

56:03Approximately 120 days construction for

56:06this project, so hopefully complete by

56:08late May or early June. We do have a

56:10picture here to show you the condition

56:12of the alleyway. You can see the the

56:15issues that we're having on the surface

56:17there, and that is related to the

56:19sanitary line underneath. So,

56:21pretty hefty replacement cost here

56:25due to the condition of the surface

56:27above and and what's going on underneath

56:29there.

56:33>> Chair recognizes Councilwoman Ortiz.

56:37>> Thank you.

56:38Um Sylvia, this is in my district and I

56:42drive up and down this quite a bit. Um

56:46all of my residents there in that little

56:48strip park in the back. They do cannot

56:51park on 10th Street.

56:53>> That's part of that acquisition that

56:55easement acquisition that we are trying

56:57to obtain so that they have

57:00adequate parking to their residents

57:02through construction.

57:04So, so we're working with them to grant

57:06permission to allow construction and and

57:09still provide them access to their

57:14typical parking spaces as we work

57:16through that project. It's been a little

57:19trying because a couple of the residents

57:22aren't eager to communicate with us.

57:26It's a little overwhelming talking to a

57:29representative who's

57:31uh talking about obtaining easements,

57:33but it's truly for um

57:36temporary access while we're working

57:38through construction to to help

57:40accommodate them and

57:42>> be happy to help you talk to them, but

57:44where are they going to park?

57:46>> Um I mean don't think I

57:48>> I I'm thinking right outside right where

57:50that tree was. That person has three

57:52cars and she parks, you know, in the

57:55back. You can't park in the front.

57:57>> I don't think I have included that plan.

58:01Um but we do have a plan uh to address

58:04each uh resident there. Um

58:07we have also gone through the process of

58:09eminent domain for two that we are

58:12working with. Again,

58:13um so we've provided some of that

58:15information as we work through that

58:17process with the governing body.

58:18However, I'm I'm happy to produce those

58:20plans and and walk through that with you

58:23uh so that if there's questions, uh we

58:25can kind of tag team that and help

58:28address the residents. We'll also do a a

58:30meeting in the area to make sure that

58:32they're well aware um with our

58:33contractor when we're planning on

58:35starting that and how we'll work through

58:37the transition of that project. It's

58:39it's a tight area. Um again, we

58:41definitely want to make sure they all

58:43have access and that's why we'll have to

58:45kind of phase through that and stage um

58:48in a way that allows us to complete one

58:50end before we start working on the other

58:52and and

58:53>> Okay.

58:53>> accommodate that, but I I can help walk

58:55through that with you. Um thank you.

58:58Thank you.

58:58>> to be sure cuz

58:59>> So So you can see here uh the different

59:02um

59:03work that we're doing. So it's really

59:05three phases so that we can uh make sure

59:08we continue to provide access there.

59:10>> Okay.

59:11>> So we have rehab work going on uh as

59:14well as replacement. So we're not

59:16completely tearing everything up. Um

59:19and full It's not full replacement all

59:21the way through that alley, but again,

59:24sectioning off where we can to

59:26do the least amount of of

59:29>> Well, I'm just thinking about

59:31one person in the middle and she's got

59:33three cars and then the her neighbor

59:36they have so many cars they park on the

59:40on the next street um which would be

59:44which would be the uh Lawrence

59:48which

59:49was questionable. I took Braxton out

59:52there and

59:53where the work trucks and all that was.

59:55This is right where that those trees

59:58were in that pillar that we replaced

1:00:00there.

1:00:02And that they must have five or six plus

1:00:04what's in their driveway. So, that

1:00:06that's that's just a concern.

1:00:08>> Yep.

1:00:09>> I know I'm going to get a lot of

1:00:09complaints about that.

1:00:11>> It's an extremely valid concern and

1:00:13again, one that we spent a lot of time

1:00:15trying to mark out easements for um but

1:00:18happy to walk through the plan of action

1:00:20there. So, we're all on the same page

1:00:22and again, we'll work with the residents

1:00:24to communicate that as best we can and

1:00:26accommodate the needs that they have as

1:00:29we work through that project.

1:00:33>> And we have to get this done because you

1:00:35said it was um sewer line?

1:00:37>> It yes, it is failing sewer line and

1:00:40it's so

1:00:40>> remind them that this can potentially

1:00:42back up into their

1:00:43>> Correct.

1:00:44>> Okay. Mhm. Just want to make sure I was

1:00:46okay.

1:00:47>> No.

1:00:47>> All right, thank you. Then make Thank

1:00:49you, Mr. Chairman. I make the motion to

1:00:50approve.

1:00:51>> Okay.

1:00:51>> I'll second.

1:00:52>> Okay, motion has been made

1:00:54by Councilwoman Ortiz and seconded by

1:00:57Deputy Mayor.

1:00:59Uh we'll go ahead and take a vote.

1:01:01Uh all in favor

1:01:04sign I.

1:01:05>> I.

1:01:05>> I.

1:01:05>> I.

1:01:07All opposed, same sign.

1:01:09Hearing none, motion carries 3-0.

1:01:13Moving to action item 4G.

1:01:18>> Okay. Um

1:01:21the

1:01:22uh utilities department is is coming

1:01:24before you with this item to review and

1:01:28amend our CIP and CIB. As we shared

1:01:31throughout uh the multiple rate

1:01:33discussions that we've had over the last

1:01:35year, um we are committed to increasing

1:01:37investment in our water, stormwater, and

1:01:40wastewater infrastructure. Um we're here

1:01:42to honor that commitment by requesting

1:01:44approval of that amendment to the CIP

1:01:47CIB um to authorize

1:01:49an increase of funding as we now have

1:01:52those rates set for the next 4 years.

1:01:54So, uh the amendment includes

1:01:58$136,535,050

1:02:03worth of additional authorization to

1:02:05fund 22 existing projects. Um we've

1:02:09increased um funding to 22 different

1:02:12projects and then add three new projects

1:02:15into um our our plans as highlighted in

1:02:18the summary sheet. So, we've given you

1:02:20all of the changes, we've given you

1:02:22individual CIP sheets, and then we've

1:02:25also given you a summary sheet to kind

1:02:27of highlight those

1:02:29those projects and programs that we're

1:02:31um

1:02:31proposing to amend.

1:02:33Um

1:02:34as always with this change, while that

1:02:37while this authorizes us to um have the

1:02:40authority to fund these and and start

1:02:42work, uh we would be coming before the

1:02:45public infrastructure committee uh for

1:02:47individual project approval uh for those

1:02:49projects that are exceeding $250,000.

1:02:52So,

1:02:53with that, I will stand for whatever

1:02:55questions you might have. I know there's

1:02:56a lot of detail in those sheets. Um

1:03:00again, 22 of them are the the detail's

1:03:03not different, it's still funding the

1:03:04same programs, it's just increasing

1:03:06funding so that we can either um move

1:03:09projects up in in timeframe or fund more

1:03:13of a portion of that um earlier on in

1:03:15the process. And then again, adding

1:03:17three new projects that are uh

1:03:20dedicated towards improving

1:03:22infrastructure at the wastewater

1:03:23treatment plants and our major pump

1:03:25stations.

1:03:29>> Any questions or comments for Director

1:03:33Davis on this project?

1:03:37Okay, chair recognizes Councilwoman

1:03:38Ortiz.

1:03:39>> Shelby, can you bring this back to us?

1:03:41Can we have time to look at this?

1:03:44Does it need to be done now?

1:03:46>> Sure.

1:03:47Um

1:03:48unless Nicole says I I I

1:03:51need at least one thing out of there,

1:03:52but she's waving she's she's saying no.

1:03:54No, I think I'm happy to spend some time

1:03:57walking through that if if you need.

1:04:00Um

1:04:01>> I would like that. I don't know about my

1:04:03colleagues, but

1:04:05there's

1:04:05>> For me, I think it is a lot of

1:04:07information to go over and a lot of

1:04:09projects that's

1:04:11an enormous amount of funding, so

1:04:14I think

1:04:15giving us an opportunity to take a

1:04:17second look at it would be

1:04:19>> Sure. I was just going to ask for some

1:04:20clarification. Did you as the committee

1:04:23would like to do that or would you like

1:04:24to move it on to the council so the

1:04:26council as a whole is looking at it?

1:04:29>> I would like to see it come back to this

1:04:31committee.

1:04:31>> Sure. We'll bring it back next month.

1:04:33>> Before we recommend it to go to council

1:04:34unless my colleagues or committee

1:04:36members have some different thoughts.

1:04:40>> Is there any time frame we need to have

1:04:42this done by

1:04:43and to council? Does it need to be at

1:04:46least by the December meeting, a

1:04:48December meeting?

1:04:50So it's approved for the

1:04:52before the year starts?

1:04:55>> Yes, cuz the the major part of this is

1:04:57getting those 2027 projects approved and

1:04:59the funding authorization there for

1:05:01those.

1:05:03Um

1:05:05We can move forward at whatever pace

1:05:06you'd like,

1:05:07but we certainly would like approval

1:05:09sooner rather than later so that we can

1:05:10make that promised investment and get

1:05:12going on it.

1:05:14>> Well, I'm not trying to belabor this,

1:05:16but I do want to make sure I understand

1:05:18what I'm doing and

1:05:18>> It is a lot of information. Yes.

1:05:21>> you you know it like the back of your

1:05:23hand and I don't.

1:05:25>> Well, and again, we're happy to to sit

1:05:27and walk through that. You know, the

1:05:28normal CIP CIB process takes quite a

1:05:31while. We walk through that with with

1:05:33all the other departments and and their

1:05:35capital improvements um plans.

1:05:38This is amendments to those. So, like I

1:05:41said, um the majority the bulk of these

1:05:43changes are just increasing funding in

1:05:46each of those years out um

1:05:49and and then the associated projects

1:05:50with those. Um so, if you guys want to

1:05:53spend time and go through that on your

1:05:55own, if you would like to set up

1:05:56meetings with us, just let me know so we

1:05:58can um make sure we allocate plenty of

1:06:00time to answer whatever questions you

1:06:02have. And then um

1:06:03we can bring it we'll we'll plan to

1:06:06bring it back up at the next committee

1:06:08meeting, but if you need more time than

1:06:10that, I'm certainly happy to to push it

1:06:13back further.

1:06:15>> Can you go?

1:06:15>> I will go either way.

1:06:17>> Okay.

1:06:18So, we want a table

1:06:20until next meeting.

1:06:21>> Just bring back.

1:06:22>> Okay.

1:06:24>> Okay.

1:06:24>> Give us time to talk.

1:06:25>> Okay.

1:06:26Well,

1:06:26>> Thank you.

1:06:27>> recommendation is that we bring it back

1:06:28to committee next meeting.

1:06:30Uh give the committee a chance to review

1:06:34and

1:06:35we'll make a decision at that point.

1:06:37>> Okay. Thank you.

1:06:38>> Thank you, Director Davis.

1:06:42Moving on to non-action item. No action

1:06:45was taken on um

1:06:48uh

1:06:49action item 4G.

1:06:51So,

1:06:53we're moving on to 5A, public works

1:06:57project update.

1:06:59>> So, I'll just run through a quick update

1:07:01on some of the projects we've got going

1:07:03on around town.

1:07:04>> Mhm.

1:07:05>> Uh

1:07:06so, completed projects on tune from Gage

1:07:08McAllister and then we'll go over some

1:07:10projects that are just starting or are

1:07:11currently underway.

1:07:13Um, so, one update to give, uh, Hunt

1:07:16Tune from Gage McAllister. This project

1:07:18started on June 29th. We were able to

1:07:20open this to traffic on October 29th.

1:07:23Uh, and this is a mill and overlay, also

1:07:24some concrete patching, curb and gutter,

1:07:26driveway approaches, and sidewalk

1:07:28replacements. Uh, this is a project that

1:07:30frustrated, I know, a lot of businesses

1:07:31in this area. Uh, we had hoped to keep

1:07:34traffic flowing on this street longer

1:07:35than we could, but, uh, we unfortunately

1:07:37had to close traffic because of the some

1:07:39of the conditions below the surface. Uh,

1:07:41but we were happy to reopen that last

1:07:43Wednesday. So, we do have traffic

1:07:44flowing on that again. We still have a

1:07:46few final items to complete, some

1:07:48driveway approaches,

1:07:49uh, some sidewalks, a little bit of

1:07:50patching, but that is open to traffic

1:07:52now, which we're very happy about.

1:07:54>> And they striped it yesterday.

1:07:56>> Fantastic, happy to hear that. Um, so,

1:07:59Topeka Boulevard from 15th to 21st, uh,

1:08:02this is a project that we had closed the

1:08:04intersection of 17th and Topeka

1:08:05Boulevard. Unfortunately, we did uncover

1:08:07a conflict between sanitary sewer and

1:08:10storm water. In order to resolve that

1:08:12conflict and move that sewer line safely

1:08:14away from the storm water, uh, we are

1:08:16going to have to construct three

1:08:18additional manholes that we were not

1:08:19aware of at the start of the project. In

1:08:22order to do that, those manholes require

1:08:24fabrication, which is causing a delay in

1:08:25the project. So, that left us with a

1:08:28situation where there was not going to

1:08:29be significant work that was able to

1:08:31happen at 17th and Topeka Boulevard.

1:08:33There is still work going on on the

1:08:35project in other locations, but because

1:08:38at that location, uh, we were not going

1:08:40to have productive work happening for

1:08:41some time, we made the decision to

1:08:43reopen the intersection of 17th and

1:08:45Topeka. Once those manholes have been

1:08:47fabricated, we will have that closure

1:08:49again at 17th and Topeka to remove the

1:08:51pavement there and do water line and

1:08:54sanitary sewer work, uh, at the

1:08:56intersection of 17th and Topeka. We

1:08:58anticipate that closure will start again

1:08:59on November 16th, but that is open to

1:09:01traffic as of today.

1:09:04A project that just started yesterday,

1:09:06this is Southwest Oakley from 10th to

1:09:07Front Street. So, this is full depth

1:09:09pavement replacement from 10th to 8th

1:09:10Avenue. We're also doing sanitary sewer

1:09:13replacement from 10th to 8th, and there

1:09:15was a closure of 10th Street which began

1:09:17yesterday. That'll be for sanitary work.

1:09:19We anticipate 2 to 3 months for that

1:09:20closure. Once 10th Avenue is reopened,

1:09:23we'll be closing Watson Avenue, uh

1:09:25moving on to work at that location.

1:09:27That'll be another couple months

1:09:28closure. Uh and then we anticipate

1:09:30completing the project entirely by

1:09:32summer of 2027.

1:09:34So, uh for the most part in these areas,

1:09:36we will have some traffic that is open

1:09:38on these streets, but we do have that

1:09:40full closure at 10th Street

1:09:41unfortunately for the next 2 to 3

1:09:42months.

1:09:44Southeast 29th from Kansas to Adams,

1:09:46this is a project that is long overdue.

1:09:48This is for pavement replacement,

1:09:49milling overlay, waterline, storm sewer,

1:09:51and sanitary sewer replacement. Most

1:09:54importantly, this is rehabilitation of

1:09:55the Butcher Creek Bridge box structure.

1:09:57Um so, that box structure that runs uh

1:10:00underneath 29th Street that carries the

1:10:02water for Butcher Creek has been in need

1:10:04of some rehabilitation for several years

1:10:06now. Unfortunately, because of the the

1:10:08method for that repair and the way the

1:10:10bridge sits under the road, we had to do

1:10:11a full closure of 29th Street in order

1:10:13to make those repairs. Uh that started

1:10:15on 10/6. We're estimating a 6-month full

1:10:18closure. So, between Kansas and that

1:10:20location, right now we're doing

1:10:22waterline, storm sewer, sanitary work.

1:10:24We're also doing some pavement patching

1:10:26and sidewalk at that location.

1:10:28The next phase of that project, after

1:10:30this 6-month closure, we will reopen

1:10:32one-way traffic on 29th Street. So,

1:10:34there'll be one lane each way.

1:10:36Um that'll be for pavement patching,

1:10:38waterline, storm sewer, sanitary sewer

1:10:40sewer, curb and gutter. And that'll be

1:10:42between 201 Southeast 29th Street and

1:10:45Madison Street. So, we'll have we'll

1:10:46work one side of the street, one lane

1:10:48traffic on the other side, and then

1:10:50we'll flop over and do one one-way

1:10:52traffic on the other side.

1:10:53Um that's at the end of the current

1:10:556-month closure. And then at the last

1:10:57phase of the project, there will be a

1:10:59full closure on 29th from Madison to

1:11:01Adams. We will keep access open to local

1:11:03businesses, but we want to make everyone

1:11:05aware during this last phase of the

1:11:07project, we will be forced to close 29th

1:11:10Street traffic completely, and we'll

1:11:12have to close traffic at Adams at the

1:11:14intersection 29th Street because of the

1:11:15way that the utility lines extend out

1:11:18into the intersection of 29th and Adams.

1:11:20Unfortunately, we will have a full

1:11:21closure at that location. Uh that'll be

1:11:23for water line, storm sewer, sanitary

1:11:25sewer, pavement patching, and curb

1:11:27gutter. Uh and then once we've completed

1:11:29that, the final phase, we will reopen

1:11:31traffic one way, and then come back and

1:11:33do that asphalt overlay over the length

1:11:35of the project, uh which we anticipate

1:11:37to be in summer of 2027.

1:11:40Also, some good news from our friends at

1:11:41KDOT. As of last Friday, I-70 was

1:11:44reopened to one lane traffic. I didn't

1:11:45want to tell anyone cuz I don't think

1:11:47everyone's noticed, and traffic's pretty

1:11:48light on the way in in the mornings

1:11:49right now.

1:11:50Um but that is open at Topeka Boulevard,

1:11:538th Avenue, and 10th Avenue. One thing

1:11:55to note is if you're leaving this

1:11:57building, you cannot get on I-70 right

1:11:58out here. You have to go over to Adams.

1:12:00So, the entrance at 8th Street is not

1:12:02open quite yet. Uh KDOT will continue

1:12:04work to open 4th Street and Memorial

1:12:06Avenue. They're hoping to have that done

1:12:08by December of 2026, and then they will

1:12:11be moving on to a Kansas Avenue closure

1:12:13scheduled for early of 2027, and they

1:12:15anticipate the project will be

1:12:16completely done in October of 2027. So

1:12:18again, this is a KDOT project, but we

1:12:20know it's affecting a lot of our

1:12:21residents in Topeka, so wanted to give a

1:12:23brief update. And with that, I'm happy

1:12:25to answer any questions. Go ahead.

1:12:27>> Chair recognizes Councilwoman Ortiz.

1:12:30>> I don't have any questions, but I do

1:12:31have some comments. Thank you for

1:12:32opening what you can, what corners you

1:12:35can. I did drive the I-70. I heard it on

1:12:37the news, and so I thought, let me jump

1:12:39on here. It was pretty slick. Um

1:12:42that just makes my life easier coming

1:12:44down, being able to come down 17th

1:12:46instead of wiggling all around, and I

1:12:48just hope we just keep that

1:12:50going as much as we can because

1:12:53residents are just trying to get where

1:12:54they're going and then especially when

1:12:57they see that there's nothing out there

1:12:59at that corner happening and we just got

1:13:00to close down. Just maybe it'll help

1:13:03just a little bit from that as well with

1:13:05the comments. But thank you for thinking

1:13:07of that and hopefully we'll continue to

1:13:08do that. Thank you, Jason.

1:13:10>> Anything.

1:13:11>> The chair recognizes Deputy Mayor.

1:13:15>> Kansas Avenue

1:13:18and we can be able to get to Topeka

1:13:21Boulevard

1:13:23so we can go over the river because I'm

1:13:26assuming you're also going to close

1:13:29the Kansas Avenue bridge to do that work

1:13:31on the east end.

1:13:32>> That's correct.

1:13:33>> south end.

1:13:34>> So, while KDOT has their closure for

1:13:37Kansas Avenue, we will also be working

1:13:39on some improvements to Kansas Avenue

1:13:41just short of the bridge and also the

1:13:43Kansas Avenue bridge as well during that

1:13:45closure. There will be access across

1:13:47Topeka Boulevard and also access across

1:13:49the Sardou bridge. So, we've been very

1:13:50clear with KDOT that we cannot have a

1:13:52situation where both the Topeka

1:13:54Boulevard and Kansas Avenue bridge are

1:13:55closed at the same time. Correct.

1:13:59>> Cuz I will need that to be very specific

1:14:03for my neighbors because

1:14:05that again it's going to cut us off and

1:14:08make it hard

1:14:10even for anyone to get to the card lot,

1:14:11to get to the street department, any of

1:14:14that. The bus barns.

1:14:18I'd like to see what that's if there's

1:14:20any kind of a map what that's going to

1:14:22look like in the time frame. That would

1:14:24be helpful so I can distribute it to who

1:14:28I usually send to and it can go to those

1:14:31that need it that are also in that area.

1:14:34That's going to be really

1:14:37and I don't know that Fourth Street will

1:14:38be open at that point.

1:14:40>> So, they have com- committed to us that

1:14:41Fourth Street will be reopened before

1:14:43they begin the Kansas Avenue closure.

1:14:45Their next priority is Fourth Street and

1:14:47they also want to get Monroe Street open

1:14:48adjacent to the federal building, and

1:14:50that will occur before they initiate the

1:14:52Kansas Avenue closure.

1:14:54>> Okay, that will help, but

1:14:56it's still a lot to deal with.

1:14:58>> Absolutely.

1:15:00>> That's all I have.

1:15:01>> Okay.

1:15:02>> Thank you, Director.

1:15:04Uh

1:15:04moving on to the actual uh non-action

1:15:07item six, public comment. No one has

1:15:09signed up, so I'll ask if we have

1:15:12comment from uh

1:15:14uh city manager,

1:15:16deputy manager.

1:15:17>> No, sir.

1:15:18>> Okay.

1:15:19Anyone else in our room?

1:15:22Thank you all for joining us today,

1:15:24both here and online, so uh with that,

1:15:29this this committee meeting is

1:15:30adjourned.