2026-10-14 - Complete Streets Commission

00:00Hello, and welcome to the Complete

00:02Streets Commission's October 14th

00:05regular commission meeting.

00:07This is a hybrid meeting with commission

00:09members, city staff, and members of the

00:11public participating in accordance with

00:14public health guidance guidelines.

00:16Susan?

00:18I would like to take the roll call

00:19first.

00:21I'd like to introduce the Complete

00:22Streets Commission members and city

00:24staff present. I'm Chair Sally Cole, and

00:26commissioners present include Nina

00:29Ercolino,

00:31um Vice Chair Meredith Bergen Bailey,

00:34Scott Hercher, Commissioner Scott

00:35Hercher, and Hercher Helen Rooney, who's

00:38coming in a moment. So, thank you for

00:39taking me.

00:41Uh we have an absence, which is Jeff

00:44Ceder, Commissioner Jeff Ceder.

00:47And so far, um we have a traffic delay

00:50from Commissioner Matthew Rascon, he'll

00:51be joining us.

00:55City staff present include Katrine Maki,

00:57our senior transportation planner, and

00:59Jonathan Cortez, our associate

01:01transportation planner.

01:06Katrine, would you please provide

01:07instructions to the commission and

01:09members of the public on how the meeting

01:11will proceed?

01:15For the members of the public who wish

01:16to provide public comment for any item

01:18on tonight's agenda, after the chair

01:20calls for public comment on that item,

01:22if you're in person, we ask that you

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01:25back table and return that to the

01:26clerk's desk. If you're participating

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01:36virtual hand. If you are participating

01:38in person, please wait for your name to

01:39be called, you can then step up to the

01:41podium to make your comment. That

01:42concludes the instructions, and I return

01:44the meeting to the chair. Thank you.

01:47Thank you.

01:48Um we will now go to reports and

01:50announcements. City staff and commission

01:52members may communicate general

01:54information of interest regarding

01:56matters within the jurisdiction of the

01:57commission.

01:58No commission discussion or action can

02:00occur on any of the presented items.

02:03Katrina, do you have any reports or

02:04announcements for us?

02:07>> The only announcement is that we

02:10uh are looking like we will

02:12most likely have a uh special CSC

02:17commission meeting on November 19th, but

02:21stay tuned for confirmation.

02:24And that concludes my reports and

02:25announcements.

02:25>> Thank you, Katrina. I just want to thank

02:27both staff and commissioners for their

02:31dedication to the commission. Um

02:33originally because our November 11th

02:36meeting fell on Veteran's Day, we do not

02:38have an official meeting for November,

02:41but because we have more business to

02:43consider, we have agreed we would add a

02:45special meeting. So, thank you to

02:46everyone

02:48for their time.

02:50All right, let's go on to public

02:51comment. Under public comment, members

02:53of the public may address the Complete

02:55Streets Commission on any subject that

02:56is not listed on tonight's agenda.

02:59Each speaker may address the commission

03:01once under public comment for a limit of

03:033 minutes. You are not required to

03:05provide your name or city of residence,

03:07but it is helpful.

03:08The commission cannot act on items not

03:10listed on the agenda, and therefore the

03:12commission cannot respond to non-agenda

03:15items seeing issues

03:17brought up under the public comment

03:19other than to provide general

03:20information.

03:22Katrina, can you please call for public

03:23comment?

03:25>> The virtual attendees who wish to

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03:33virtual hand.

03:37Having no one in queue for public

03:39comment, I return the meeting to the

03:40chair.

03:40>> Thank you. I I neglected to let the

03:43public know that we are not meeting at

03:44our usual location, which is Council

03:47Chambers on Laurel Street. We're

03:49actually meeting tonight at Bel Haven

03:52Community Center on Turnbull Avenue,

03:53District 1. Uh we meet here every year.

03:56Once last year we uh met here on Willow

03:59Avenue, which was a great discussion. Um

04:01and and we're meeting here again. Happy

04:03to be here.

04:04All right. Under regular business, the

04:06commission considers recommendations

04:08from the city staff on policy matters or

04:10administrative actions that require

04:12commission approval.

04:14The first regular business item tonight

04:16is to accept the Complete Streets

04:17Commission minutes

04:19for our meeting from September 9th,

04:202026.

04:22Is there any public questions from the

04:24commission about the minutes before I

04:26take public comment?

04:30It seems none. Uh Katrine, can you

04:32please call for public comments on this

04:34item?

04:36>> Virtual attendees who wish to provide

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04:42star nine to raise your virtual hand.

04:47Having no one in queue for public

04:48comment, I return the meeting to the

04:49chair.

04:50>> Thank you.

04:51Do I have a motion and a second um to

04:54accept the minutes for any discussion or

04:56about them?

04:57>> Motion to accept.

04:59>> Motion from Commissioner Betty Bailey.

05:01Do I have a second?

05:02>> I'll second.

05:03>> [clears throat]

05:03>> Um second from Commissioner Thomas.

05:05Thank you. Um

05:07you know, all those all raise hands to

05:09say I.

05:12And then that's unanimous, no nays.

05:15Okay.

05:16>> [clears throat]

05:17>> Thank you for recording those votes,

05:18Katrine. Um

05:20the eyes have it and the motion is

05:21adopted.

05:24All right. Our next item for business,

05:26regular business, B2, receive and file

05:30our 2026-2027

05:34Complete Streets Commission work plan.

05:37Um now this item is for information only

05:40because we have voted and approved

05:43um this work plan as a commission.

05:45Uh Uh, City Council adopted work plans

05:48on September 15th.

05:50And no changes were made to the work

05:52plan that was approved on August 27th.

05:55The commission will receive an updated

05:57work plan any time.

05:59Um,

06:00is there any clarification from the

06:01commission before I take public comment

06:03on this item?

06:06Okay.

06:07Uh, Katrina, can you please call for

06:09public comment?

06:10>> For virtual attendees who wish to

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06:17virtual hand. Having no indication for

06:19public comment, now I turn it back to

06:21the chair.

06:21>> All right. Is there any further

06:22commission discussion on our work plan?

06:25I know we're all wrapped.

06:26>> Awesome. Well, we had a good discussion

06:28putting it together, so no telling you

06:29about that.

06:30>> Um, hearing no objection, the items are

06:32received and filed.

06:35All right. So, tonight, um, in item E3,

06:39um, we have a subcommittee on this

06:42commission that looked into new state

06:46legislation called AB 382,

06:49which is, um,

06:51allowing municipalities, well,

06:53standardizing speed limits in school

06:55zones across California,

06:57um, effective in 2031. [clears throat]

06:59And Commissioner Rosso, who prepared the

07:01presentation, uh, personally has a uh,

07:04travel delay, a flight delay, so he

07:06can't be here to present it and the

07:08presentation about AB 382.

07:10So, please bear with as myself

07:13and Commissioner Medina,

07:15uh, walk through the highlights. We're

07:18going to keep this pretty high level.

07:20Um, before I I start talking through

07:22this, I just want to note that, um,

07:25I had a conversation, uh, with

07:27Commissioner Rosso about the

07:29presentation on Monday.

07:31And I would say that the broad message,

07:34well, actually, let's just start. I'll

07:36give you the broad message as we go. So,

07:37looking at the first slide,

07:40in brief,

07:42in brief, we're not going to I look at

07:44that third policy. Okay, what this is

07:47about is that the city council in two

07:50separate resolutions in 2021 and 2022

07:56did a very fine thing, which is to lower

07:59the speed limits at the speed limit at

08:0115 mph

08:04uh near 24 schools and preschools in El

08:08Cerrito Park Drive.

08:09Uh when they did this, the approach was

08:12that they it would if you look at a

08:15school like a lot of people are familiar

08:17with Ohlone Elementary.

08:19Um they would identify street segments

08:23near that school where they would lower

08:26the speed limit. So, if you are looking

08:29at an Ohlone, maybe the two closest

08:31streets, you know, bordering Ohlone

08:33would be identified and the speed limit

08:35would be lowered.

08:36And on the speed limit sign, there was

08:38also a time limitation. Speed limit sign

08:41said, you know,

08:43in within school hours or

08:45I'm sorry, I don't know the exact um

08:47language on the sign, but um it would

08:50say this speed limit is in effect when

08:52school's in session or when children are

08:54present. I think that's what it said.

08:56So, it was a really excellent thing the

08:59city did um and it came with these sort

09:01of what we might look back on as two

09:03constraints, which is named limited

09:05number of streets and also um

09:09had well, children um

09:11are present.

09:14So,

09:15um can we go can we just skip ahead? Uh

09:17last year the next slide is probably

09:19mine. What the city already has

09:21assessed? Yeah, let's let's let's stop

09:23there. Can we go to what the city

09:24already has assessed? That's it.

09:26Oh, it's a okay.

09:28Oh, you're you're doing it.

09:29>> Yes.

09:29>> Oh, it's fine. Oh, I didn't know that.

09:30Okay. Thank you. Sorry, there's a few

09:32hiccups here. Um so, yeah, this is a

09:34great slide because um

09:36yes, thank you. Uh so, let's just review

09:38where we are because we're talking about

09:41what we can do on top of this. So, let's

09:42get the base level set. 24 schools and

09:44preschools were named in the

09:46resolutions.

09:47Um, within 500 ft of school,

09:52um, 119

09:54out of the 355 street segments within

09:57500 ft of these schools were named. So,

10:0134% of streets within 500 ft of these

10:05schools

10:06are covered.

10:08Um, 15 mph zones have Oh, no, let's say

10:11that. Okay, so, again, here's limit one,

10:13limit two as I mentioned earlier, named

10:16streets and um,

10:18and active or um,

10:20what's the word I'm looking for? Um, the

10:22limit applies, this limit applies, you

10:25know, while children are are present.

10:27Okay, so, let's move on. So, let's let's

10:30talk about this.

10:31Okay, um,

10:33can we go to AB 32 minutes? There you

10:35go. So, what did AB 32 was uh, passed

10:40last year.

10:41And what it did was it said, um,

10:45effective in January of 2031, so that's

10:49quite a ways away,

10:51um, all streets within 500 ft of a

10:55school will drop to 20 mph.

10:58So, that covers more ground, right?

11:01Because it's all streets within the 500

11:04ft of school.

11:05Um, and that's a significant change. The

11:08other thing about AB 32 is that there's

11:11no time frame about there's no

11:14limitation like is this only when kids

11:16are present. It it's the same limit

11:19around a school zone

11:22all time.

11:23Um, so, that is what AB provides. Now,

11:25if we go back to the one before, so,

11:27yeah, so, here's a good example of um,

11:30that I had to put together of what that

11:33could mean. So, if you look at um, I'm

11:34sorry, I can't put

11:36Can't thank you. I don't know the

11:37school. Um, so if you look at this

11:39school,

11:41you say, "Well, that looks like the

11:42normal

11:43again." And um, if you look at where on

11:45the left, you'll see that in the current

11:49uh, resolution um, world we live in, the

11:52two resolutions that have passed, the

11:53way it affects the school is that Pope

11:56there and Elm, um, those two blue

11:58segments are at a lower speed than

12:01they're at the 15 mph speed.

12:04If you were to layer in 8032,

12:07all these other schools become eligible

12:10to lower their speed limit to 20 mph.

12:13Um, why is that important? This is

12:15something Matthew and I talked about on

12:17Monday, is that those dots that you see

12:21on the second map, um, you see them on

12:25Coleman at the top and bottom of Coleman

12:26and then a little bit to the left, um,

12:28are collisions.

12:29So, because you've extended

12:32the zone of which you're protecting the

12:35lower the speed limit, uh, you could

12:37indeed be calculating more kids going to

12:41school, um, and unfortunately in places

12:44where um,

12:45collisions are.

12:47So, that's a really, you know, you could

12:50make the very valid argument that let's

12:52extend beyond um,

12:55where we are now and uh,

12:57with as 8032 guides us because we could

13:00lower the speed limit even more

13:02to increase where collisions are

13:03occurring. So, one note to make about

13:068032 is that although it goes into

13:08effect in January 2031,

13:12um, cities can comply earlier if they

13:15opt to. And I know Matthew has done some

13:17research on this, but I remember one

13:19that was fascinating, but a big big

13:21city, certainly bigger than Lombard, um,

13:24has has decided to expand um,

13:28to uh, introduce the coverage around

13:31I think they did it before I think he

13:32said that also maybe Santa Monica did it

13:34before in the beginning of the school

13:36year or something last summer. So, a

13:37couple of different municipalities have

13:39said, "Let's comply with this now

13:42to lower the speed limits and more votes

13:45around schools."

13:49Thank you.

13:50Yes, and City Engineer said that

13:53This is my municipality one way or the

13:56Okay, let's just keep going.

13:58Yeah, he said that. Yeah.

14:00Sorry, we're skipping. Okay.

14:02So, one of the conversations that

14:05Matthew and I had which

14:07I thought very interesting

14:09um was this idea of when we if we do

14:13decide to do this, should we actually

14:15say school zone

14:17in on the actual speed limit sign.

14:20Um and the reason we talked about that

14:22is because

14:24Commissioner or senior trans

14:26transportation there, myself and another

14:29commissioner at the time um

14:31were walking on Olive Street, which is

14:34in District um

14:365 near Hillview

14:38a couple of years ago to take a look to

14:41it was lost to some

14:43resident feedback about the street as a

14:46school route back to school.

14:49And we were standing there sort of

14:50looking toward Hillview on Olive and

14:53saying,

14:54"You know, right over there is a sign

14:56saying 50 mph, should we should we do

14:59more to give a visual cue to drivers

15:02that you are entering a school zone?

15:06Should we um

15:07Can you figure out the reason? Yeah.

15:09Okay. Can we do more as a city if we are

15:12going to

15:14comply earlier than 8382, for example,

15:16and put up more speed limit signs and

15:18lower speed limit on more roads, should

15:20we consider actually signing this school

15:23zone term, maybe or even painting it on

15:26the road, you know, entering a school

15:27zone, um, to give people a sense that,

15:30okay, the rules change when you come

15:32into a school zone. You know, different

15:34behaviors are expected of you. You're

15:36lowering your speed. You're being more

15:38mindful. Um, should we take a moment to

15:41try and try and sort of brand that more,

15:44um, as we're considering

15:46lowering speed limits and putting up new

15:48signs. Um, and another thing we talked

15:50about, which she covers in this

15:52presentation, is that you know, is it

15:54possible to increase the fines, the

15:57speed, you know, if someone does, uh,

15:59exceed the speed limit in a school zone.

16:01We looked that up. We found out that

16:02state is actually responsible for

16:04increasing fines. So, uh, that's not

16:07possible. But that's the kind of

16:08conversation we're having, which is,

16:10what can we do to treat school zones

16:11differently? Um, a sign is one, um, but

16:14that's what we discussed. Um,

16:17so, that's why this is school zone.

16:19Okay.

16:20Um,

16:24yeah, I think this is important, um,

16:28I'm sorry. I'm just looking through this

16:29real quick.

16:30Where's

16:34I'm straight lines

16:37Oh, I see. Okay. So, yeah, so if you

16:39look at the last few rows of this, um,

16:42uh, analysis, sort of looking a little

16:45like

16:45one layer one closely at the analysis of

16:48collisions that we have had in our city.

16:51Um,

16:52if you look at the bottom here, you can

16:55see that, you know, some of these

16:56collisions occurred, like 12 of them

16:58maybe occurred on Yeah, yeah.

17:00On Arterial Street post 15th, but there

17:02you go, on a collector arterial, you

17:04know, and on a street not covered. So,

17:06yes, again, the point being, if you

17:09extend it to an action mark, which is

17:11Okay, let's go ahead.

17:14Yes, let's just go ahead and do this.

17:16Um,

17:17oh, yeah, this is this is important

17:19actually. Uh, we talked I've got to be

17:20pulled this week on but um,

17:22so we wanted to know if when these signs

17:25went up in 2021

17:282022, did they have an effect? It looked

17:31like they did. Um, if you look at that

17:32percent change on all reported crashes

17:35and injury crashes. So,

17:36um, that's the news. So, I think and

17:39then also he had pulled some

17:41other data from like City of Seattle and

17:44um, a city in like Vancouver around um,

17:47the effect of uh, speed limit uh, drops

17:51in this these types of roads and he did

17:53find some positive correlations. Okay.

17:56Um,

17:57oh there is parking scale. Okay, let's

17:58skip first set cuz I want to get to All

18:00right, so what will we be doing with

18:02this conversation? Let's just I'll just

18:04talk to that quickly and then we'll I'll

18:05take some questions I have.

18:07Um, what our thoughts were were um,

18:12you know, we think it would be

18:13beneficial for the reasons that we

18:15explained that the city adopt uh, comply

18:19with AB 382 before it's actually

18:22required um, in January of 2031.

18:27Uh, we understand that that would take

18:29funding which is hard to come by these

18:31days with regard to purchase of new

18:33signs on for some new streets. And also

18:36public feedback which we gathered. Um,

18:38and obviously this doesn't have to pass

18:39council but um, so we would be willing

18:43as a commission to explore possible

18:45grants uh, that could cover this um,

18:49that probably interfere with a grant um,

18:51activity that or proceeding other grants

18:53that the city staff wants to do.

18:56And also we know that we have an

18:58opportunity to speak up as commissioners

19:01when the city uh, goes through its

19:04capital improvement um, plan and budget

19:07process this coming spring.

19:10So, between now and then um, we'll

19:12probably be talking a little more with

19:14between our senior staff engineer and

19:17also senior transportation planner and

19:20also refining our analysis to reflect

19:24the different options and how much we

19:26think

19:27we'd be willing how which option we want

19:29to select to pitch to the city about how

19:31to do this. One of the things that

19:33Matthew said was if we had to like stage

19:35the cost, we could

19:38you know, maybe fold like do as a the

19:40last thing we do would be to change to

19:41the new signs. He had some ideas about

19:43how to stage the cost and things of it.

19:45So, it wouldn't be too burdensome.

19:48But, when we get a little closer to that

19:49point,

19:50we'll talk with staff about some of

19:52those ideas. In the meantime, let's see

19:53if there's anything else I wanted to

19:55touch on in there.

19:56Yeah, so this was what was the

19:58option that we thought was the most

20:00attractive just our based on our

20:02preliminary analysis.

20:04Uh Kevin and Matthew's preliminary

20:05analysis is that to add the 15 mph right

20:09to add a 20 mph um

20:12signs

20:13on more streets and on all the others.

20:16I guess that would be 306 signs.

20:20Um

20:21I I think you actually thought that

20:23Abington might have it.

20:25Okay, what else is there anything else

20:27you want to touch on?

20:28No.

20:30Okay, yeah, that's the Abington. Okay.

20:33Yeah, so yeah, so he also identified

20:36some questions to confirm the things to

20:38look into in order to have all our ducks

20:41in a row before we would pitch something

20:43like this to council knowing that it is

20:45an expense and

20:47and pitch it as part of the budget.

20:49So, we've done some really strong

20:51preliminary work and

20:52now we have kind of the last layer to

20:54do. But, I will say I really appreciate

20:57the initiative Matthew and Kevin to

20:59raise this issue because I do think

21:04you know, the signage isn't as expensive

21:05as some of the larger capital projects,

21:07but I do um think it's a good idea to

21:10start talking in the more terms around

21:13school zones and keeping school zones

21:14safe rather than, you know, just getting

21:16right up to the school. A A great

21:18example for me that Kevin and I were

21:20just looking at cuz I'm very familiar

21:21with Oak Knoll is that if we did expand

21:24this in the climate 8332 earlier, uh

21:28we'd be able to lower the speed limit on

21:31on Central Road is like Oak Knoll which

21:33is definitely um Portland Road where

21:36there's been a lot of elementary school

21:37kids uh

21:38elementary school kids bike down from

21:41all of um down to Oak Knoll School at 25

21:44mph currently. So, um we think it could

21:46be really positive for the safety

21:48improvements around schools.

21:50Um does anyone,

21:52excuse me?

21:53Um are there any clarifying questions

21:56from the commission before I take public

21:57comment?

22:01I I have a

22:03I have one. One of the earlier slides

22:05and I wasn't sure if AB 382

22:09give the option I think one or two more.

22:13Uh

22:17No.

22:18Sorry, are we going towards the We're

22:20trying to get [laughter] it out. We're

22:21trying to get it out.

22:22Uh

22:23I I feel like it says something about AB

22:25382 like if you hadn't changed the speed

22:28limit by 2031 that you lost your chance.

22:31I might have been misunderstanding what

22:32was up there. They had like three boxes

22:34I think.

22:35Well, I think the right area yeah.

22:39So, it would be all changed in 2030. So,

22:41so right now you have the opportunity to

22:42do it proactively. I see. I see. Okay.

22:44Yeah.

22:46As part of that, um

22:48in 2031 will the city be responsible for

22:52that signage cost regardless? Yeah. You

22:54have to apply. So,

22:57it's just a matter of when we Yes.

22:59implement the signs.

23:00thing. Thank you.

23:04>> I'm just This is certain data here and

23:06there, but I'm just sort of curious. Is

23:07there any data from the law enforcement

23:12that could compare the number of

23:13citations before

23:16um

23:18the speed limit was lowered

23:20to after?

23:21>> So, not just collisions, but citations.

23:23>> Not just collisions, but I'm just

23:24curious like enforcement. What does the

23:26enforcement angle look like?

23:28>> Yeah, we can definitely um

23:32and there are several uh traffic

23:34officers, as you know, in the police

23:35force and

23:37I'm going to return to the meeting to

23:38ask them about this idea of increasing

23:40fines, and then we just looked at them

23:41and realized they were not in charge of

23:43that. Um but we do have like Officer

23:45Lopez and Corporal Reeves. Um we do have

23:49conversations with them and Katrina as

23:50well. And so, yeah, we can certainly ask

23:52about that.

23:56All right. Well, thank you for your

23:57comments um and questions. Uh Katrina,

24:00can you please call for public comments

24:02on this item?

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24:19table and bring it to the clerk's desk.

24:35I see no one in queue for public

24:36comment. I return the meeting to the

24:37chair.

24:39>> Thank you, Katrina. Um is there any

24:41further commission discussion? I think

24:43all we're doing tonight is just

24:44confirming we can confirm a consensus on

24:47feedback or just provide

24:49uh general uh feedback

24:52uh which would then

24:54um

24:54you know, probably lead to further

24:58refining of the presentation and

24:59potentially pitching it to the council

25:01or the when they're talking about their

25:03budget.

25:04Obviously including staff. Before we

25:05would do that, I'm I'm curious what the

25:07feedback was.

25:09>> One thought I had with Can we quickly go

25:12to the one with the school zone?

25:16>> Hold on one second.

25:17>> Oh, I'm sorry.

25:18>> Thank you.

25:19It just what was occurring to me is

25:22right now our speed limit sign says

25:24speed limit and then I I hear what

25:26you're saying about changing that to

25:27school zone.

25:29My

25:31brain, because both have two words on

25:34two lines and the first word starts with

25:36an S on each, completely misses that it

25:39says school zone. But what I really like

25:42is the addition to the sign that's like

25:45that brightly colored blue when I've

25:46seen it in real life it's reflective. I

25:49>> I like that.

25:49>> To me that that would really stand out.

25:52>> Yeah.

25:52>> Um rather than

25:54>> Maybe we can say

25:54>> speed limit versus school zone. Yeah, if

25:57if you could get that bright reflective

25:59kind of additional piece that says

26:01school zone, I I would find that very

26:02compelling.

26:03>> Yeah. There There's a note here in the

26:04slide which is true that the design has

26:06to follow the 2026 California MUTCD, so

26:09you can't like custom make the sign.

26:10>> So the sign itself is okay.

26:11>> But but the the I don't know what you

26:14want to call it, but yellow green is

26:16part of the California MUTCD. So

26:19Your Your comment is correct though. We

26:20could still have that but there's not a

26:22whole lot of like changing of the actual

26:24sign design. It makes sense.

26:25>> I'm curious what people think about um

26:29like

26:31maybe even painting I I was Cassandra I

26:34know you gave this feedback. When we

26:35were looking at Coleman, one thing that

26:37really made a difference was the pilot.

26:39And I remember talking about this when

26:41we were like looking at the pilot for

26:43stall, but with that in the bike lanes

26:47there's painted on in the bike lanes it

26:49says no parking and then before the

26:51speed homes, I think it's painted.

26:54So something like this street home for

26:56her.

26:56>> Yeah, we'll go back.

26:56>> Um on the actual

26:59uh road. Um that is not the case on

27:02middle. And so when I I'm on middle a

27:04lot, so when I saw it on Coleman, I was

27:06like, "That's a really good idea to

27:07paint that." That really made me it kind

27:10of get it down in my head again. So I

27:12guess one thing that we can talk about

27:13when we revisit this um particular

27:15proposal is

27:17you know, do we um advocate for

27:21something along entering school zone or

27:23something like that that's just painted

27:25across the a street? Um I do like the

27:29idea of

27:30I mean I generally think that people

27:32through pure patience, people learn like

27:33in a number of ways. You have to tell

27:35people things three to five times before

27:37it's really getting in their head. So

27:39they're seeing a sign, they're seeing a

27:40kid, they're seeing a stripe, they're

27:41seeing a vehicle. Um it's not too

27:43cluttered, it's not having too many

27:45components cuz they're not physical

27:46components. I think it really could help

27:49us to get people

27:51to just kind of flip the switch um that

27:53they're entering a school zone.

27:55>> I mean

27:56uh

27:57I would say that I really agree with the

27:59way we're handling the school zone as uh

28:03yeah. I don't really know

28:05what building this is something

28:07>> Yeah.

28:07>> that's near that

28:08has kids that go to that school or just

28:11pass the sign. So

28:13uh it's I think that's a good idea, but

28:15I

28:16one thing that would be helpful is

28:17breaking down the costs cuz you have in

28:20this presentation there's so much that's

28:21dedicated to the costs.

28:23>> Mhm.

28:24>> Um any additional component that you

28:27would include as like a suggestion for

28:29branding?

28:30>> Then have the company name. This is this

28:33would be the additional costs and this

28:36is why or this is how it could be staged

28:39into this like impressive thing.

28:41Um but we're um

28:43this was

28:45>> Yes, that's an excellent point.

28:47We'll pass that on to We'll pass that on

28:49to staff.

28:51That's a great point. Thank you.

28:53>> Um

28:55I like both the ideas of

28:58changing the wording on the sign from uh

29:04black and white to something

29:07um

29:09more eye-catching. If the white on white

29:11will just

29:12>> Yeah.

29:13>> fade away.

29:15And it's nice to have more modalities.

29:18So, painting on the street, I think is

29:20also a great idea. Um and it will go a

29:23long way towards

29:25getting in people's heads.

29:26>> Yeah.

29:28It's interesting what you guys said

29:30about, you know, if you don't have kids

29:32going to that school or you don't have

29:33kids generally, you don't know it's

29:34school. I think that's really how it is

29:36in Santa Cruz. You see that a lot of the

29:39um there's a lot of trees, there's a lot

29:40of other stuff happening, um and

29:43it it really takes a lot of kids to be

29:45crossing there for people to stop.

29:47Um

29:48All right. Well, I think we have general

29:50consensus that this seems worth pursuing

29:52to us as a city to um light earlier in

29:55order to, you know, do even more to

29:58prevent collisions in the school zones.

30:00And we'll bring up the

30:01potential cost of that out through

30:02public works staff, and we'll talk to

30:04staff further about whether they like

30:05the idea of putting branding on school

30:07zones and things of that sort of base.

30:09All right then. So, let's move on to

30:10informational items. Um under

30:13informational items, city staff provides

30:15an update on major and important city

30:17commission.

30:18Informational items are not action

30:20items. However, a commissioner, city

30:22staff member, or member of the public

30:24may request to make comment or ask a

30:26question on any of the informational

30:28items.

30:29The first informational item tonight is

30:31update on major project status. Katrine,

30:34uh do you have any updates for us?

30:37>> I can not.

30:38>> Oh. All right then.

30:40Um let's move on to the tentative agenda

30:42list.

30:44Katrina,

30:45I do have an update on the tentative

30:47agenda list.

30:49>> Yes, so I'm going to do the update. I

30:50provided a form. I'll pull it up here.

30:53It was an attachment to the agenda, but

30:55um coming up we'll be discussing the

30:57Sand Hill Road and Santa Cruz Avenue

30:58safety project and the preliminary

31:02findings. It's likely to be November

31:0419th, to be confirmed.

31:06Um

31:07we are also

31:09uh

31:10waiting to confirm when we will receive

31:12more information from

31:15about the e-conveyance policy

31:19recommendations coming from C Cake. So,

31:21there there's a possible special meeting

31:23for that, which probably could be

31:24combined with the November 19th meeting,

31:26but we're just waiting to

31:28learn more about C Cake and their

31:30timing. So, no one can be reporting that

31:32there's no information to report.

31:34>> We're all kind of on pins and needles.

31:35So, yeah. Um yes, so for members of the

31:38public, um we have a subcommittee of our

31:42commission

31:44that is going to proceed in an effort to

31:48recommend to the city council

31:51um

31:51an e-bike ordinance and draft a proposed

31:54e-bike ordinance or e-mobility or

31:56e-conveyance ordinance to the city

31:58council, but we are waiting for the city

32:01county

32:03county association

32:06association.

32:07Association. Okay.

32:09to uh

32:11um that have

32:12committed to producing uh some guidance

32:14for municipalities in Santa Clara County

32:16and even a model ordinance they're going

32:18to draft. So, we're waiting to see that

32:20first before we begin with something.

32:23>> All right, then. Well, um

32:25Katrina, would you like to call for

32:27public comment on our tentative agenda

32:29list?

32:30>> Original attendees who wish to provide

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32:43Having no one in queue for public

32:44comment, I return the meeting to the

32:45chair. Thank you.

32:47>> Sorry again to the rest of the week for

32:50starting late. We had some technical

32:51difficulties, um but we have now all

32:55gone through our agenda and are ready to

32:57adjourn our meeting

32:59at 7:23

33:01p.m. Thank you very much.