2026-11-04 - Improvement and Services Committee

All right, we're recording. All right, we're going to start the meeting of the Improvement and Services Committee for November 4th. So, we'll start with roll call. We've got Alder DeLee.

>> Here.

>> Alder DeBaker.

>> Here.

>> Alder Ritterbusch.

>> Here.

>> And Alder Heck. I am here. Approval of the agenda.

>> Move to approve.

>> Second.

>> Okay, motion made by Alder DeLee, seconded by Alder Ritterbusch. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I.

>> I.

>> I.

>> And looking for approval of the minutes.

>> Motion to approve.

>> Second.

>> by Alder Ritterbusch, seconded by Alder DeBaker. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I.

>> I.

>> I.

>> I know that is approved. We are moving on to the regular business. Consideration of possible action request by Bay Settlement Investments LLC to dedicate the infrastructure and rights-of-way for

the Eaton Heights 3 addition contingent upon the developer meeting and satisfying the requirements of the developer's agreement with results to be reported out at the next Improvement and Services

Committee meeting. Director.

>> That's going to be me.

>> Sure. Okay,

>> [laughter]

>> Deputy Director.

>> Um Eaton Heights 3 subdivision is a continuation of a small subdivision that was done already over by in the area where Hyvee Hallways is at the intersection of Spartan and Humboldt Road.

>> Okay.

>> It's a small subdivision, about 12 lots. And like I said, this is the second addition or third addition, which is finishing out that subdivision. Due to the lack of meetings coming up is they're

really close to completing construction, and I wanted to get that on here so that once they complete construction and they wish to dedicate and they do complete everything that's in the developer's

agreement, that we can accept dedication. Cuz once we accept the dedication, then they're eligible to get their building permits. As they were trying to work with the developer and be able to make it

so they can get their building permits as quick as possible. So, we're looking for the ability to accept dedication at a staff level tonight and then we'll report it out when it actually occurs.

>> Okay. Any questions? I'll go for a motion.

>> Motion to approve.

>> Motion made by Alder DeLee.

>> Second.

>> Seconded by Alder DeBaker.

>> Any further discussion? All those in favor say I.

>> I.

>> Yeah. Okay. And that is approved. Uh consideration with possible action on request by Alder Ritterbusch on behalf of the property owner, [name] at et al. I don't know what that is. at Ernst Drive

to appeal the charges regarding long grass and weeds on invoice number 213720 in the amount of $451.50. And I understand you're here to speak on that. So,

>> Make a motion to open the floor.

>> Motion made, seconded Alder Ritterbusch to open the floor, and seconded by Alder DeLee. And the floor is now open. So, if you'd like to

>> me to sit up there?

>> Sure. You could. You could. Yeah. You could. We need I'm sorry. All in favor say I.

>> I.

>> Thank you, Alder DeBaker. And what we need is your name and your address, which I guess technically we have your address.

>> I'm [name], [name]'s widow, and I live at Ernst Drive. I've lived there since 2007, and previous to that my parents owned the place and resided there since 1970.

>> Okay. Uh what would you like to tell us about this

>> Well, um

[resident's personal and medical testimony omitted for privacy] You know.

>> So, um in looking at this the notice you got, it was dated July 28th. And then it was rechecked July

>> See, the one that came July 28th, I was in Mayo Clinic at that time.

>> Okay.

>> So, this is our internal tracking.

>> Oh, the the attachment is?

>> Yeah. So, this is uh

>> But, there was an a notice prior. I think I have it in

>> It's a little It said there was attachment on the notice, but I don't I I don't

>> a little green piece of paper this big that they rubber band to your front door. Uh I think I had in here the date that it was uh tagged.

>> Yeah, you you have a I was just looking at the green thing because it was saying it was a

>> Yeah, so it was on August 5th. There it is.

>> The property was tagged for long green grass and weeds. And then the city cut it. A copy of the notice and photo are attached. So, the notice is not what's attached. It's your internal internal in-

information.

>> So, there was a tagging on the August 5th. Hold on.

>> It says July 28th in your

>> Okay, July 28th.

>> Yeah.

>> You're right.

>> Yes.

>> And then they were rechecked on the 30th according to the green sheet. And then they were mowed on August 5th, but then invoice for August 12th.

>> Yes.

>> Okay.

>> That's all correct.

>> Okay.

>> Um Anybody have any questions?

>> Yeah, go ahead.

>> Do we have any mechanism in place for a person that's dealing with medical hardship or may not be there at that time or dealing with emergencies?

>> Um no. I mean, as you can uh see, the notice was on August 5th, and then we did not cut all the way up Wait. Get my dates right.

>> done August 5th. Work was done August 5th is what it says on this green invoice.

>> So, what did we just say the date of the

>> It was tagged originally by on July 28th, and then rechecked on July 30th, but then cut August 5th, but the invoice date says August 12th.

>> So, there were I think there were there was more time that elapsed than the ordinance requires. So, more time was given.

>> And I returned home the 9th the 9th of August. And there is my list mow mow mow, dig Johnson grass, and mow mow mow. Pick up sticks. Weed the vegetable beds.

>> And when did you go to Mayo?

>> It was I I left um in July, July 23rd. 25th, July 25th. I left to Mayo July 25th. And I came home on August the 9th. And I have a gal, a friend of from my church, from St. Patrick's Oratory that

was coming most every day to take in my mail and water my outside plants and indoor plants too when she needed to, but um and she she she told me about the green ticket on the door and she

photographed it and sent it to me, but I couldn't see anything on that ticket on who to contact. Because I tried. Now, when I'm at Mayo, I'm not very well. I stay in um the state funded hotel there

and you know, I do have access to a phone and the internet and stuff, but I just I couldn't for the life of me figure out who to contact. I tried a couple times because I would like to talk to them.

>> You tried to call the city?

>> Huh?

>> You tried to call the city?

>> Right. I didn't I Oh, I couldn't figure out who to call. Because I had this impairment They um I should have brought the Darn it, what was I thinking? I should have I have some little pamphlets

that explain my disorders. And some of them when the other symp- they're not they're not brain damaged. They're nervous system damaged. So, the nervous system short circuits and it over stimulates, it

overwhelms and it's not it's not a brain damage, it's not like Alzheimer's. Um but it's it's real and it's permanent and when it happens it involves twitches and muscle doing weird things and pain and

nausea and headaches and brain fog. Brain fog is a big part of it and I couldn't buy that green there was handwriting on there that said cut these weeds, thanks but that didn't tell me call the city

of Green Bay and they'll help you figure it out. See, I couldn't figure it out on my own.

>> And your friend was unable to help with that.

[resident's personal and medical testimony omitted for privacy]

>> So, um does anybody else have any questions?

>> I just I think that she was gone so often that she really didn't realize what was going on and that they were going to come and cut it. She was trying to contact somebody to help her but with her

medical condition it was just hard for her to get back to to be able to have somebody do that. So you know, it's kind of a hardship. I'm just hoping that we can do something to help to help her

through this process cuz it's it's kind of a pricey tag for somebody that's on a fixed budget.

[resident's personal and medical testimony omitted for privacy]

>> So

>> Question before we close the call.

>> So the first notice was on July 28th. That was her first notice of that which was 3 days after she left the house and was essentially stuck at mail

>> Yeah, that's how I feel.

>> Um Uh the recheck was done 2 days after and once that notice is given they the resident is given a week to remedy the situation. Is that correct?

>> I have to look up the ordinance for the time frames.

>> Like the long grass notice that you get I think it's a week.

>> It's a week, correct.

>> Okay. Um

>> So it it was more than two days though. Um with the recheck was

>> Three days.

>> The recheck was uh July 30th. That's right.

>> July 30th, correct. Yep.

>> Which

>> And then it wasn't cut until August.

>> Yeah. Um which was two days after the initial notice the recheck happened. And then uh a week after the initial notice it was cut. Is that correct? That's what it

>> August 5th.

>> Okay. And she wasn't home yet.

>> Right.

>> So I mean I would make a motion that we

>> Well, wait. Wait.

>> What's that?

>> Where's the floor still open? So I'm going to hold on to that.

>> Uh Yes.

>> Um my concern about this is exactly what Alderwoman Baker was getting at is the notice was sent out after she was gone. Um the work was performed before she returned home for medical purposes. This

would be a different situation if it was someone just ignoring the notices and not taking care of it. Um

>> Although she got it from her friend.

>> Also at the hospital dealing with her medical situation. Um I I Sorry you're going through all of this. It's very unfortunate. Um I I I can't support billing someone that's dealing with medical

purposes and wasn't even home to be able to maintain it. I I would imagine if the notice was on the door and you were home you would have um taken care of it right away.

>> Right. There was someone actually scheduled to come and mow the week before the city did but um they the the husband left and the wife had an accident and broke her knee or injured her knee, and

she couldn't. And at that point, I had talked to someone else, and they said, "You know, well, let me know when I can come help you." And I said, "Well, I'm I was supposed to come home July 29th, but

I didn't get to leave until August 9th." And I said, "I'll be home the 9th. Come meet me Monday morning, and we'll just tackle it together." Because it just You know, I I was just to the point where I

was tired of having to ask people to do things for me. I want to do things more myself as much as I can. That tenacity is what's got me here today, you know, kept me going.

>> Remind me again of when you left for Mayo.

>> I left for Mayo on July 25th to Mayo. I was supposed scheduled to return home the 29th, but they canceled that trip, and I didn't get home until August 9th. So, from July

>> Is it

>> 25th.

>> There's pictures taken here. Um so, I guess I'm I'm Is it fair to say that it was already long when you left for Mayo? Because if they if there was a complaint put in, it probably took a few days

for them to come out. If they came out on the 28th, which is only not long after you left for Mayo.

>> we had mowed in um about a week or so before I left, like around the 17th or 18th. Now, I don't cut my lawn short. I have my mower set a little high because because of the nature of my lawn. It

does It does better when it's a little longer than when it's cut super short.

>> Well, just looking at the pictures, there it's pretty long.

>> But I was weed eating every week or so. I'd get out there with You know, because a lot of my my beds are lined with stones and bricks and rocks and stuff. And I would weed eat around those so that

it would look decent. And in the back of the yard, I had a schedule. I was going through this bed, that bed, and like I wasn't doing anything with those honeysuckles. They were just there being

honeysuckles. And my elderberry bushes, they had some grass growing up around them, but they if if it was obvious to me that whoever did the cutting back there didn't know what they were cutting.

>> Mhm.

>> Or they wouldn't have cut down my elderberry bushes.

>> Unfortunately, the um what happens is we get the city gets complaints with from neighbors.

>> Right.

>> because the city doesn't drive around looking for long grass. It's 100% complaint based.

>> And I think it was

>> Unfortunately, it's unfortunate your neighbors didn't know or whatever for whatever reason that you were having some kind of medical issues. It'd be nice if they would have come over and cut the

lawn for you, you know.

>> Exactly.

>> [laughter]

>> That doesn't happen. That would be my husband. He would do that.

>> Um mine did that stuff too. He actually did that for some of them.

>> Yeah.

>> [clears throat and cough]

>> But that was a number of years ago, and

[resident's personal and medical testimony omitted for privacy]

>> So, to address Alder X's question that how did it get to that length um with with this notice being 3 days after you left?

>> think that the complaint was about my lawn itself. I think the complaint was about the the fern and gardens in the backyard.

>> Okay.

>> The the semi-wild

>> versus

>> They [clears throat] weren't It wasn't It wasn't toxic toxic weeds. It was just you know, grass growing up around the elderberry bushes, grass growing up around the currants. Um my my herb patches.

You know, they weren't My herb patches weren't trimmed and lined like they normally would be because I was busy trying to get the vegetable bed cleared out so I could stick my tomato plants in there

and you know, and I did do Like I said, I was conscious and mindful of getting removing the weeds that could spread. You know, like the thistles and the dandelions and things like that. Those kind of

things were kept down and you won't see those things in those pictures because I really worked hard to take care of those things. And I did I did the weed eater every week to keep things looking trim.

And it's they really didn't cut a lot of weeds and the lawn wasn't that much to be cut. It was they cut down my my overgrown shrub beds and they left big stands of Johnson grass and barrel maple trees

and you know, and

>> Okay.

>> It was just kind of random what they did.

>> Okay. Thank you.

>> Yeah. Any other questions or

>> Motion to close the floor.

>> Motion to close the floor and I'll second that.

>> Well,

>> I'll make the motion to close the

>> motion to close the uh so all the Ritterbusch makes the motion to close the floor?

>> I will second.

>> Seconded by Elder Baker. All those in favor say I.

>> I.

>> Okay. And then the floor is now closed. So, if you want to sit back or you can stay there but we will be no further asking any questions unless we open the floor again.

>> Okay.

>> So, in in kind of taking all of this into consideration, you know, it's kind of a tough situation. Does anybody have any discussion they would like to have?

>> Um So, yeah, it's it is a tough one. Um the timing is unfortunate um with the issues she's dealing with. Um we did have somewhat of an existing condition before she departed there. Um I think I

would recommend maybe um trying to recoup the labor involved with it and and I'll do a partial deduct on on this invoice. Um would be my thoughts on it.

>> Um so, Director

>> Mhm.

>> uh is it Did uh do you send is it is it typical to do the backyard as well when they come out and Cuz I mean that means they did the front and the back and the back it doesn't look like grass they

don't I don't think there's a lot of grass back there.

>> Yeah, I was just looking at the ordinance when you were when you were talking and it doesn't it doesn't differentiate between the front and the back of the the grass.

>> I'm sure if it's visible from neighbors they're they're they're going to say something but

>> And a copy of the complaint was included in the packet. It was from July 27th and It was a complaint of long grass and there was mention of rats and now woodchuck living in the yard with

>> Where is that? I don't see that at all.

>> You saw the woodchuck woodchuck comments try to find that.

>> It's like the fourth page after the

>> documentation After the pictures cuz I tried to

>> before the pictures.

>> I see the the green thing the green sheet.

>> It's right after the green It was right after this page. Do you see that?

>> What's what's what's it called the attachment cuz I

>> This It should be the one

>> back up documentation back up documentation

>> documentation the first one

>> Okay.

>> that comes up

>> Okay.

>> Okay then this is the woodchuck woodchuck third or fourth page after that.

>> So I think it was the overgrown nature of the situation.

>> seeing it. I don't know why I didn't see that.

>> And um you know kind of the health and safety but the the the ordinance we do cut in the backyard as well. It doesn't differentiate between front and back.

>> All right. For some reason it didn't come up when I clicked on

>> We get a quorum.

>> Um okay. Complaint of long grass rats and now woodchuck living in the yard. Okay. All right. So What is the I all through the vagary you were indicating you wanted to make a motion.

>> Um I make a motion I think we should waive the whole thing with the whole situation the way it the way it went down. I just don't think that that is that it's warranted.

>> I would personally maybe an adoption.

>> I I guess I can I can add one more piece of information. Um I did have printed to bring with me but the the I see street superintendents did say there was another violation from around the May

timeframe and that one did get resolved. So just for your information. So there was another notice earlier in the summer.

>> It was cut before they

>> It was cut before they went back.

>> Okay. All right.

>> I mean due to the fact he was gone to the hospital and he how do you deal with something like that? I just think

>> My client my concern like I said it was it was long already but she left us three days after the the notice came. So it already was long. You know what I'm saying?

>> My issue with that is the fact that we're also talking July when this happened and the prime of growing season and she likes to cut her grass long. So it that can that can change very quickly on

what it looks like. Um this this timing um is what I have a hard time with because she was already gone to Mayo and returned home after the work was completed. And now hearing that she had a notice

previously and it was taken care of right away before they went back on a recheck. It kind of shows intent that it probably would have been taken care of um given the circumstances I would I would

second uh Alder Ritterbusch's motion.

>> Okay, so we have a motion from Alder Ritterbusch to waive the fee

>> Correct.

>> with the second by Alder DeLee. And so further discussion. I know all the debate is indicating a deduction. So that's why I was

>> Yeah.

>> looking for possible input on that.

>> Yeah, I I don't think I support um uh the full invoice for sure. It's going to be an amended invoice or or um wave it completely. Um any other

>> Do you want to make an amendment?

>> Um

>> Do you have to vote on the first motion first?

>> Um I Well, I think we can make an amendment, can't we? And then that takes precedence. I thought that's how we we can do that. So, okay.

>> vote on first

>> Okay, we'll wait.

>> Is there a motion on the floor?

>> Okay.

>> passes if it passes.

>> So, we have a motion on the floor. So, all those in favor say I.

>> I.

>> Um and those opposed say nay.

>> I say I on that.

>> You're going to say I on waving it?

>> Um yes.

>> Okay, so you're changing your mind.

>> I hadn't made it up yet.

>> Okay, all right. Well, I was you know, kind of basing it on looking like you're going to make a motion to amend it. So, um All right, and I said nay. So, it's three to one. Only cuz I would I would

have gone for a deduction, but I mean the full

>> circumstances that surrounded her just kind of horrible and it's kind of It is. It's very It's kind of in humane to charge somebody when they're not even there and they can't fix the problem.

>> The

>> is the reason

>> Part of that is is the city is they don't It's they don't know all those circumstances.

>> I understand that. Plus the time frames is that.

>> I can't grasp every day.

>> Don't try.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay, so three to one. All right, um moving on to So, it will go to full council next Tuesday for the final approval. This is a recommendation that we make uh here at committee and then it goes to

full council on Tuesday at 6:00.

>> Thank you.

>> So, it's your decision whether you want it's up to you whether you want to come to the meeting or not. It it may be discussed, it may not. So, we don't

>> Or you can do it on Zoom, also.

>> Oh, okay.

>> That's an option for you.

>> I don't know how to do that, but

>> Okay. I was hoping I was hoping it wouldn't go to that, but

>> Number uh three consideration of possible action on request by Department of Public Works to award a professional design service con- services contract to Mahone Associates Inc. for the replacement

of the Finger Road Culvert V-5-324 in the amount of $111,919.50. Director.

>> So, this is for the design work for the replacement of the cul- culvert, not the actual um construction. Uh the structure was inspected or inventoried in 2024 and inspected in 2025. And it was

found to have deterioration um and loss of height. So, it needs to be replaced. Um and this is just to hire the consultant for the design services. We put out RFP. Um there were I believe just two

firms that responded, and so they were there were some criteria that we used and we reviewed it and we did and we selected McMahon. Um I do have one recommendation for your motion if you decide to

approve it. If you could add um contingent upon the 2027 budget approval, the capital budget approval.

>> Okay.

>> Because this was a a project that was in our 2026 capital budget. Um it's being carried over into 2027. In the 2026, we were going to use fund balance to the levy funding, and for the 2027 budget,

we're proposing to use TIF funding. So, the TIF funding hasn't technically been approved yet. It is in the the budget that's under review right now. Okay, the capital budget. So, um we you know, we

need that the funding approved to move forward with this. So.

>> Okay. Any questions? Further discussion? Okay. Looking for a motion.

>> I'll motion to approve contingent on the 2027 annual budget being approved.

>> The capital budget.

>> Capital budget being approved.

>> I'll second that.

>> Okay. So, we have a motion by Alder Baker, second by Alder DeLee. All any further discussion? All those in favor say aye.

>> Aye.

>> And that is approved. So, number four, consideration of possible action on request by the Department of Public Works to approve the last nine remaining real estate transactions for parcels 3, 29,

34, 48, 49, 51, 57, 63, and 72 for the Wiz. Dot Mather Street Pavement Project. I assume it's the PD director here? Okay.

>> Um you know, this is the final uh session for approving these parcels. These parcels are the last remaining parcels for that project. Some of these are going to the jail process, which means that

essentially we end up writing a check to the Brown County court system, and then the people have to work it out with their um people that they have their mortgage with. A lot of these, what happens

these days is a lot of these um mortgages are from out of the area, and they're very difficult to communicate with.

>> Mhm.

>> And they'll be able to get them to understand because some of these are fee takes. So, you have to get the mortgage company to sign off because they no longer have that piece of property for uh,

you know, holding the loan.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> So, it's If this is just the process that we need to do to to make sure that it's taken care of legally. And it's again, this is the DOT process, so we have to go through and follow the processes,

you know, to a T. Um, but this will wrap up that project as far as the real estate is concerned, and then we'll be ready to go next spring with the DOT payments and so on through the process uh,

project.

>> Okay. Any further

>> I had a question about that process. Um, is there a chance what uh, we pay over to Brown County courts um, come back like they want more?

>> No, we're that at signing.

>> Okay.

>> They lost that opportunity once it goes to this point.

>> All right.

>> Motion to approve.

>> Second.

>> Uh, motion made by Alder Alder [name], second by Alder De Baker. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I.

>> All right. I.

>> Oh, I was going to say, I only heard one I on that one.

>> I said

>> say I? Okay. All right, and that is approved. Um, number five, consideration of possible action on request by the Department of Public Works to approve the transportation project plat for the

WisDOT STH 32 and Ninth Street project and authorize the director to sign the plat. Any discussion about that one?

>> Sure.

>> Um, this is another DOT project that's coming up for uh, in the coming years. What they're doing is they're redoing the intersection by Ashland Avenue and Ninth Street. And so, the very beginning

part of the process is they do what's called the transportation plat, the TPP. Um, and what that does is it defines all of the properties that will be affected by the uh project. And so in this one I

believe there's nine properties, something like that, that will be affected. So there's going to be some T's and B tags, some TLEs on this one. Um but this is the beginning of the process. Once we get

the plat approved and we were able to get that signed, then we can get the um real estate consultants going and they can start the appraisal process and then starting the mailers pre-process all over

again. So.

>> On this one map it says no TLE needed, will be RR, right of entry separate of plat. And it was number three was south, but the other ones were

>> That's for the railroad.

>> Oh. Oh, I see. Okay.

>> Yeah. Railroad

>> So four, five, and six, maybe. All right.

>> handled

>> Got it.

>> separately.

>> So just three is what they're talking about. Okay. Any other questions from that? From the committee?

>> Motion to approve.

>> Motion made by Alder DeLee.

>> Second.

>> Second by Alder DeBaker. All those in Are there any further discussion? All those in favor say I.

>> I.

>> Okay, and that is approved. So moving on to six, consideration of possible action on request by the Department of Public Works to authorize the Director of Public Works to sign and submit the

annual WisDOT local road certification and miles of public roadways under the city's jurisdiction to Wisconsin Department of Transportation.

>> Okay, so this is an an annual certification that we have to submit. It's required by state statute and um we also have to report our annual um roadway mileage. And this is a requirement if we were

you know if we we didn't do this, it would have impacted the funding we get back from the state. So it's a requirement that we do this.

>> Okay. Any questions? Okay, looking for a motion.

>> Motion to approve.

>> Okay, motion made by Alder DeBaker, second by delete all those in favor say I.

>> I.

>> All right, and that is approved. Number seven, consideration of possible action on request by the Department of Public Works to award contract to GBMFD 2-26 station six remodel to Frank O's Zizey

Construction Company Inc. in the amount of $395,500. Okay, so this is a fire station six remodel project. Um, it was worked on by our our facilities group within DPW. And they put the work out for bid

and they received five, looks like five bids. And the low bid was Frank O's Zizey Construction Company. And we are recommending award of that contract to them and it was funded within the the capital

improvement budget. Okay, any questions?

>> Motion to approve.

>> Motion made by Alderman DeLee.

>> I'll second it.

>> Seconded by Alderman DeBaker, any further discussion? All those in favor say I.

>> I.

>> All right, that is approved. And so under informational director's report on recent activities of the Public Works Department.

>> Uh, so we're in the middle of leaf collection season. And that's happening. Um, the Main Street bridge is back open. That was closed for a while but that's back open so that's good. Uh, there is

going to be uh, I didn't bring the date but the Walnut Street bridge will be closed for some work by the DOT.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, and it's just for the day. Um, I think it's was it November 11th?

>> Mason Street that, yeah. It's the Tillman. We just got the email.

>> The Tillman, yeah, it said Tillman.

>> Well, we have two

>> different ones.

>> We have two different ones.

>> It's the one for Walnut.

>> Walnut, that's right.

>> I said Tillman.

>> Just annual inspections?

>> Uh, I believe so. Or possibly some work but whatever they requested and we'll do and for them. Um construction is also wrapping up. I'm not going to go through the whole list, but we're we're

starting to wind down. There's only a few weeks left on some of the projects, and a lot of things are going to be wrapping up over the next few weeks.

>> So, are we doing something different this year with the leaf collection to make sure people know cuz last year it was I know I got a lot of complaints. I believe everybody did.

>> Yes. We did.

>> and then that was it. Everybody's [laughter] done, and they had their piles out um according to the notification they had till a certain date.

>> Yeah, there was a little uh confusion last year because um so this year we put the date the last date of pickup. So, we made sure like not the last day of pickup, the last day that they should put

the note the leaves out. We made that very clear. Um we'll continue to pick up to Thanksgiving whether weather permitting. But they we we put in there like uh it was like the Sunday

>> November 15th.

>> November 15th, like the Sunday before that week.

>> Mhm.

>> Um is uh the last day kind of where we'll guarantee pickup cuz that's when we start kind of our final round.

>> But I remember you having that last year, and so people were out there that weekend, but then it snowed, and then they had them for the rest of the winter.

>> Um that was

>> cuz they didn't they thinking well they have to let Sunday happen or that happen again.

>> Last year there was some information out there that we're picking up through Thanksgiving.

>> Yeah.

>> But that doesn't mean like we will be at some people's houses before that. So, it's actually a week and a half before that.

>> Yeah.

>> Is it

>> I just want to make sure that the communication's clear that that's like it's

>> We updated

>> date, and we don't know when it snows, so how

>> Right, we updated the information that we put out to the public and made sure that that it said that instead of we're going to be continuing to pick up to Thanksgiving until Thanksgiving. So,

November 15th

>> Last day to put leaves on the curb

>> Right.

>> is November 15th. They will be collecting after that.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, they had a date last year. And people put it out by that date, and then it snowed. It was a real mess. So.

>> Well, I think it snowed the week of Thanksgiving. Okay. Um all right. Anything else?

>> Um no.

>> Do any of you have any questions? Okay. Our next meeting is December 9th, which is crazy. That's like over a month away.

>> Motion to adjourn.

>> Motion made by Alder [name] for adjournment. Seconded by Alder [name]. All those in favor say I.

>> I.

>> And we are adjourned.

>> I don't know what I'm doing this.