2026-10-06 - City Council

00:07[music]

00:09Well, we're half here

00:10>> actually.

00:11[clears throat]

00:18All right.

00:20Um, it's wonderful to see everybody at

00:22this nice weekend that we had and the

00:24mayor is running late. Um, I think Mr.

00:27Beluchcci is not going to be here.

00:30And I'm not sure about everybody else,

00:31but I'm sure they'll pop up. But anyway,

00:34if we can go ahead and get started, Mr.

00:35Dehaney.

00:37>> All right. So, madame vice mayor, the

00:38first briefing will be a briefing on the

00:40law enforcement training academy. Is to

00:41give city council and the public an

00:43update on where we are with the project,

00:44but also to seek city council

00:46concurrence as it relates to the site

00:47that we want to move forward with with

00:49the design of the project. The first

00:50voice you'll hear will be Chad Morris.

00:52He's going to give city council a quick

00:53overview and introduce the design firm

00:55that's working on the project.

01:01Good afternoon, Vice Mayor, members of

01:03council. Uh, good to be here this

01:04afternoon. I'm going to provide a quick

01:06update on the uh, law enforcement train

01:08facility. We also have um, Ron Davenport

01:11with Mosley Architects here. Also others

01:13uh, from from the team. We have

01:15assistant um, city manager Jason

01:18Straoud, Brian Delenthal, and Sean

01:20Rockwell from the Office of Public

01:22Facilities. Um once again, thanks for

01:24the opportunity and as uh the manager

01:26mentioned, we are uh looking for uh

01:29concerns on a final site selection for

01:30the law enforcement training academy. Um

01:33also want to mention we do have our

01:34friends with the police department and

01:35sheriff's office here with us today as

01:37well. Uh this project is part of our

01:40focused action plan um to design plans

01:42for the law enforcement training

01:44facility um to meet those needs um for

01:46for those trainees going through

01:48themies.

01:51a little bit of history um on on the law

01:54enforcement training facility. This is

01:55where they currently been using the old

01:57SeaTac Elementary School since 2000. Uh

02:01the police department and sheriff's

02:02office have been utilizing that

02:03facility. Uh the facility has been

02:05unchanged at the time. So it still looks

02:07like a elementary old elementary school.

02:11Um the building is over 50 years old and

02:14technology is difficult to outfit in the

02:16space. Um and it is difficult to uh

02:19serve that intended purpose. Uh many of

02:21the fixtures within the in the building

02:23are that of an elementary school that

02:26was used for elementary age children and

02:30the also of the facility lacks the

02:32purpose security measures to operate

02:33adequately for that purpose. um to and

02:37to make sure that our students, faculty,

02:39and staff are are safe.

02:43Starting in 2019, um moving forward um

02:46in conjun conjunction with the police

02:47department and the sheriff's office, um

02:49a needs analysis was performed at that

02:51time. And then from n 2019 to 2022, lots

02:56of different sites were discussed trying

02:58to find the right appropriate site for

02:59this facility uh that would work. Um

03:02which became pretty pretty challenging.

03:04Um but in 2023 a basis of design was

03:08revised making sure all the requirements

03:10and needs of of the police department

03:12and sheriff's office um were were

03:15derived to and became um a potential

03:17concept was generated at that point.

03:20Once that concept was generated, um a

03:22council briefing was conducted in March

03:24of uh March 11th of 2025. Um and then

03:28there was support from council to move

03:30forward

03:31um to consider the ITA municipal service

03:34area as a site to be considered. And

03:37then in fall of 2025, about six months

03:40later, um staff was also directed to

03:42evaluate the South Bird Neck Road site,

03:44which is adjacent to uh Motorworld and

03:47and Ocean Breeze.

03:50But here we are today. Um happy to

03:52report we have uh Mosley Architects on

03:54board and under contract as of early

03:56September and they are under contract to

03:58design the Lita facility uh for for the

04:00for the city. And at this point in time,

04:03I'll turn it over to Ron um to move

04:05forward with the rest of the

04:06presentation.

04:10>> Thank you.

04:11>> Well, good afternoon everyone.

04:13Uh as was introduced, I'm Ron Davenport

04:16with Mosley. I'm a vice president and

04:18senior project manager and I hail out of

04:21the Virginia Beach office. I'll be the

04:24design team's project manager uh for the

04:27duration of the project. Today, what I

04:30wanted to do was to take the opportunity

04:32to give you a very quick um overview of

04:35the status of the project to where we

04:36are today. I wanted to walk you through

04:40three sites that we've looked at for

04:41consideration. Uh run you through um

04:44kind of the general overall project

04:46timeline and of course close with any

04:49other questions you all may have. So,

04:52where we are today is kind of coming

04:54from um where we were originally. We

04:57were engaged to do a feasibility study

05:01out of the current LITA site or law

05:03enforcement training academy site. And

05:06the idea was that we would use this site

05:08as a um study to understand what

05:11programming was needed for both a shared

05:14training academy for the sheriff's

05:16office as well as the police department.

05:19And of course, as was presented already,

05:21the facilities in their current state

05:22are very old and so very much undersized

05:26compared to the current needs of the

05:28academy. So we used the existing site in

05:31order to test fit a potential new site.

05:34But that study was done under the

05:36understanding that we would be looking

05:37at a few other sites as well. So the

05:41components as they were designed at the

05:42time it was understood that we could

05:45click and break pieces off shift them

05:47around appropriately to be

05:49customtailored to whatever site may come

05:52up. So currently um where we are right

05:55to this minute and where I am standing

05:56here today is we are currently

05:58finalizing our contracts with all of our

06:01consultants that we have behind us uh

06:04for the engagement of the services.

06:06We're currently analyzing three sites

06:09which I'll talk about in a few moments

06:11and we are of course preparing our full

06:14design team to mobilize. Um as you may

06:17or may not know um we are engaged to go

06:19through um several design phases. Each

06:22one of those phases has very discreet

06:24elements of factf finding discovery big

06:27picture thinking in order to get much

06:28more refined ultimately to create

06:31technical documents and bidding for

06:32construction. And as you may have noted,

06:35the project size is approximately

06:38131,000 gross square ft and about $82

06:41million in construction cost. Again,

06:43rounded up here and there.

06:46So, from the original study, and of

06:48course, we're going to continue to

06:50refine our design and our approach as we

06:52engage sheriff's office and police

06:54department representatives for the

06:56academy. But the idea during the study

06:58was to create a a contemporary

07:00architecture that creates a a a

07:03wonderful workplace for uh

07:05administrators and instructors of the

07:06academy and create a state-of-the-art

07:09facility for uh incoming cadetses that

07:12can both work and and meet ultimately

07:15the needs of the academy but also become

07:17a um a piece for uh police officer

07:20retention and drawing future candidates

07:22in as well.

07:24As I said, the original study involved

07:27using the existing law enforcement

07:29training academy site. The existing

07:31building is over there on the far right

07:33hand side of the image. The new academy

07:36was over is over on the left with a

07:38large parking lot kind of separating

07:40between the two. I think the big

07:42understanding here is that the existing

07:45academy would remain in operations while

07:48the new academy was being built.

07:50And of course, as you see down there and

07:52underneath, there's some very conceptual

07:54plans. And all of those plans are done

07:56as a test fit through our engagement

07:58with um academy officials and

08:00administrators in order to understand

08:02what the actual needs were.

08:06So, moving more forward in time, we've

08:08been looking at three different sites in

08:11further detail, much more granular

08:13detail. Of course, the first site is

08:16yes, the existing law enforcement

08:18training academy site.

08:19>> [snorts]

08:19>> Um the site as you can see has that

08:22large yellow um dash line kind of around

08:25the entire property. Of course the

08:27existing academy is over there on the

08:29right and right around where site one is

08:32the word site one is where the new

08:34academy could be proposed. As you can

08:37see Virginia Beach Expressway is up

08:39there at the plan north or at the north

08:41of the sheet and Bneck Road is over

08:43there on the far right hand side. So

08:46doing a a very brief um kind of SWAT or

08:48strengths and weaknesses analysis or

08:50strengths and challenges analysis would

08:52be uh under strengths would be the

08:55current location for the academy is kind

08:57of consistent with legacy branding. It's

08:59been there. Everyone knows it's there

09:01and if it were to stay the branding uh

09:03and the legacy could continue to remain

09:05there. Uh it has a direct regional

09:07access uh and visibility by adjacent

09:10highways. I think one of the design

09:12features that we were looking at at the

09:14time of the study was its presence and

09:16speaking its announcement uh to the

09:19community through its presence adjacent

09:21to the highway. Um all major utility

09:24infrastructure is pretty much generally

09:26already there and in place and the site

09:29elevation is at approximately 12 ft

09:31above sea level which is which is a good

09:33thing. Some of the challenges of this

09:35existing site would be site utilization

09:37and access is limited due to the site

09:39geometry. There are a number of things

09:41that are going on in that site that has

09:43wetlands and some features uh

09:46geometrically that do make it

09:47challenging for future expansion. Uh,

09:50[snorts] of course as I said the

09:52existing academy would remain

09:54operational and in place and having

09:57construction go on at the same time

09:59ofmies is always a challenge and lots of

10:02complexities arise as a result of that

10:05particularly site access for

10:07construction staging whilemies are going

10:10on. Uh, additionally, uh, the portions

10:13of the new facility are in the FEMA zone

10:17A and there are only small portions, but

10:19it limits the flexibility in how we

10:22ultimately execute a design. Uh, the AU

10:25zone could be limiting. Uh, you all have

10:28um your discussions uh with the Navy and

10:31and what could be done and your

10:32ordinance establishes currently what is

10:35possible and what isn't. There is a

10:37defining difference between business and

10:39education. Um, so that would be

10:41something interesting that we would have

10:43to probe probe a little bit deeper on

10:45what would be ultimately possible. Uh,

10:47of course the property size, as you saw,

10:50it fits and it works, but it's still

10:52kind of size-wise still limiting. Um,

10:55especially if any future expansion or

10:57additional PT or physical training

10:59activities were were necessary or

11:01needed. And of course, the total

11:03property size here is about 19.9 acres.

11:06our side of that development would be

11:08somewhere in the neighborhood of about

11:1010 acres. And um finally another

11:13challenge would be as I understand it

11:15the current ownership of the property

11:16might be under the school board. So a

11:18property transfer of ownership would

11:21have to occur as well. Site number two

11:25uh would be on bird neck uh adjacent to

11:28the water park. As you can see here,

11:31that site number two is in also that

11:33yellow dashed line at the U along

11:37Birdneck Road very close to the

11:39intersection of U Bird Neck and General

11:42Booth. Of course, you can see those uh

11:45wonderful pickle ball courts down there

11:47in that lower corner. And the

11:50interesting challenge with this site is

11:53a significant portion uh of this

11:56property has physical wetlands on it

11:58which would have to be addressed in some

12:01form or another.

12:03Again, looking at a strengths and

12:05challenges analysis on this. Um the

12:07strength would be its general proximity

12:10in a in a denser area um gives it an

12:12opportunity for a little bit easier

12:14access to highways. Um all the major

12:17utility and infrastructure is also

12:19generally in place. Um and the site

12:21access of course is fairly easily just

12:24off of Bneeck Road. Some of the

12:26challenges would be um also again the

12:29site utilization is a little bit unique

12:31and a little bit different. Um it's in a

12:34perfect world it would be much more

12:35rectalinear if possible. Uh moving down

12:38to the third one. Also portions of this

12:41new facility are also in a a FEMA zone

12:44flood uh zone A. Uh also this uh has

12:48some AKUS challenges as well as where it

12:50falls within the site. Uh and in this

12:53case the property size is limited uh for

12:55any type of expansion um and any type of

12:58related uh physical training activities.

13:01The property here is 12.7 acres. At a

13:04minimum, you need 10 acres to do a

13:06property like this, but that doesn't

13:08necessarily take into account future

13:10expansion or any other um components

13:12that are brought to the academy. Of that

13:1512.7 acres, 5.1 acres is pure wetlands.

13:20And again, as I said, that would be

13:21something that would have to be

13:22addressed. The final site, site number

13:25three, is at the ITA. Uh, and it's kind

13:29of in the area of Lancetown or what

13:31we're referring to as Lancetown

13:32Extended. U, for those of you that if

13:34you have been by the site or if you've

13:36been curious, um, Lancetown Road as

13:38you're driving along it, here's one area

13:40that does a very strong uh, elbow or

13:42hairpin turn. And that is the location

13:45of where we would recommend it. There is

13:49um again as many of you may or may not

13:51know there is a master plan study going

13:52on that has identified a number of

13:55components of the ITA area and in this

13:58case you'll see sort of in that middle

14:00top section would be the site we would

14:02recommend. Uh and right at that top

14:06yellow line that dashed line is right

14:08where existing Lancetown makes that

14:10hairpin or elbow turn. So its proximity

14:14to existing infrastructure is is

14:16wonderful. Of course, as you can see,

14:18there's light industrial and flex

14:20developments proposed, some already in

14:23place, a little bit off the screen. And

14:25as you expand Lancetown Road to

14:27southward or down towards the bottom of

14:29the sheet, we would recommend

14:31development very close to where a phase

14:33one element that's also recommended be

14:36in place.

14:38the strengths versus challenges on this.

14:41Uh the site access is uh in this case um

14:44it's right off of that bend in the road.

14:47So the extension of Lancetown

14:50um wouldn't be as complicated at least

14:53for this project. And I know that of

14:55course you have a desire to extend

14:56Lancetown much further into the

14:58property, but for us and for access that

15:01adjacency is is prime. [snorts] Uh of

15:03course the extension of Hudome would be

15:06also very helpful in order to do that.

15:08Again, this site elevation is also

15:10around elevation 12

15:13as part of the uh the city expansion

15:15zone. Um there's an opportunity for

15:18broad customization not just for this

15:20but for everything else adjacent to it.

15:22Uh as I said 10 12 14 acres is needed. I

15:26think you'll see at the bottom there we

15:27are we have a a yellow uh box that's

15:30about 167 acres. So there's a lot of

15:32flexibility in what we can do and what

15:35would be needed. Um, of course, the use

15:38is compatible with the ITA master plan.

15:40Um, there are no challenges in this area

15:42with the AKUS zone. Um, and there is of

15:46course an opportunity for expanded or

15:48even shared resources u for cadets in

15:52the the cross-country trails and the

15:54ball fields uh and just the nature walks

15:56that are proposed surrounding that. And

15:59of course, as I said, the property size

16:01is flexible to to suit the academyy's

16:02needs and the city's needs for any other

16:04adjacent expansion. Some challenges

16:07related to that would be um all major

16:10utility infrastructure will need to be

16:11brought to the site. So um sewer, water,

16:14electric, gas um utilities, they would

16:17all need to be brought to the site. Um

16:20of course this is a little bit more

16:22remote um for access to any highways and

16:24others that are coming to this. I know

16:26that they also have additional training

16:28uh and ex and an additional professional

16:30development that occurs at this academy.

16:33Um so its access is a little bit more

16:35remote and of course the one of the main

16:37challenges right now at least as far as

16:39I'm concerned is the property in parcel

16:40doesn't exist yet. So we need to uh and

16:43we need to go through a development if

16:44this were the one we were to study in

16:46order to actually um understand the

16:48property size and the property

16:49adjacencies.

16:52[snorts]

16:53Here of course is some image imagery

16:55taken from a master plan study uh

16:57currently underway. Uh, and as you can

17:00see, there's a storm water park and

17:01nature trails and cross-country trails

17:03that are being proposed. And that image

17:06that sort of runs top to bottom that

17:08bisects the image would be Lancetown

17:10Road extended. And right at the at the

17:12top of that dashed line is already where

17:15Lancetown Road already exists as it

17:18makes that hairpin turn.

17:21For us to move forward at some point as

17:24we navigate these three sites is pretty

17:27simple. The design phases I said there

17:30are pretty much a discrete set of design

17:32phases for all of those to be executed

17:35on our end would be about 18 months. Um

17:37then there would be a city review and

17:40permitting process that would take three

17:42months. Uh bidding and negotiations with

17:44a contractor approximately three months,

17:47construction duration 24 months and then

17:50uh furniture and equipment move in and

17:53preparations is about 3 months after

17:55that for a total of approximately 51

17:59months.

18:02Thank you.

18:07Thank you Ron. Um so our next steps as

18:10far as moving forward is of course

18:12finish up the site analysis uh for those

18:14sites. Um and then with moving forward

18:17with that would be to focus on a con the

18:19conceptual office both site and the

18:20building on a particular site um

18:23recommended the ITA if we have uh

18:25council's concurrence on that um so we

18:28can move forward and be honed in on a

18:29specific site um to move forward and

18:31stay that 51-month timeline. uh any um

18:34delays in site selection obviously puts

18:36us behind behind on that. Um and then we

18:40want to confirm the architecture

18:42program. We'll make sure we're uh the

18:43program is complete and squared away and

18:45make sure there's been no uh changes in

18:47requirements or anything from the uh

18:49sheriff's office and and police

18:50department. Um before we move forward

18:52and really get into um more of the

18:54schematic uh elements of of the of the

18:58project. um we would continue to move

19:00forward with those schematic designs and

19:02and bring forward those uh timelines and

19:04milestones. And then of course doing so

19:06we'd have periodic communication with

19:09with uh city council as we go through

19:11that process. Um and that is all we have

19:16today for the presentation and be happy

19:17to uh answer any questions.

19:19>> Let's open it up to Stacy Worth and

19:21Jennifer.

19:23>> Thank you. So couple questions.

19:27One is um can we start can the design

19:32work get started before the site

19:34selection? So therefore I mean what I'm

19:36saying can you design the building that

19:38would be compatible with any of the

19:40three sites?

19:42>> So there are a number of things and

19:43there are so many different ways that I

19:45can answer that. As a as a designer what

19:48I would say is in in a perfect world I

19:50would prefer to wait. um the the

19:53building is rooted in solar orientation

19:56and where it sits related to the sun.

19:58But not only that, um where is the

20:01entrance of the facility? Where is the

20:02cadet's entrance related to uh an

20:05entrance point? Now, if the property is

20:08large enough, there are a number of

20:09things that can be done independently

20:12and then perhaps the building can be

20:14rotated or mirrored or um some fancy

20:16phrases for what we would do to shift

20:18some things around. But in an ideal

20:21situation, of course, we would prefer to

20:24understand the site, understand where

20:25the infrastructure is, understand where

20:27entrances are, [clears throat]

20:29understand where north is so that we can

20:31manage those constraints as well. Does

20:33that make sense?

20:34>> So, I heard yes, it can be designed.

20:36>> Yes.

20:37>> Not ideal, but it can.

20:39>> That is correct. Ideally, yes, of

20:41course. And

20:42>> I mean recommending a site without a

20:46cost analysis

20:49kind of rubs me the wrong way. I mean it

20:52obviously

20:54so the ITA gives you a blank you know

20:56blank uh drawing board so it makes it

21:00easier but if the cost is prohibitive

21:03versus the other two locations I mean

21:06that that plays a big factor into what

21:08we're doing and also the timing you know

21:10that if the the site one could be ready

21:15to go tomorrow if well not literally

21:18tomorrow but we probably have shorter

21:21runway than the other two sites. And um

21:26so taking into uh account the timing and

21:30the cost are pretty heavy fac in my

21:33opinion pretty heavy factors in

21:35determining where it's going to go

21:36because you know personally I'd like to

21:38see this done as quickly and cheaply as

21:40possible. uh that would facilitate what

21:44we need to do. But so I mean I I

21:48without taking into consideration timing

21:51and cost, how do we land on a

21:53recommendation of you know the ITA?

21:57>> I'll add to this. Um the big part about

22:00So the probably the cheapest and the

22:02easiest way to do it, I won't even say

22:04easiest, but probably the cheapest way

22:05is to stay at the site that it is right

22:07now, right? But we'd have to get

22:09concurrence from the schools and schools

22:11from my understanding wants to sell it

22:12and put the resources back into their um

22:14program. But council has a say in that

22:16as well. Um the bird neck site, what's

22:19complicated about it is that it's not

22:20just the fact that you got five acres of

22:22wetlands which reduces the footprint is

22:24the fact that you'd have to pay for

22:26mitigating the cost of the wetlands and

22:28then you'd also have to sell the title

22:30wetlands or it's not title wetlands but

22:32you'd have to sell and get wetland

22:33credits.

22:33>> That's correct.

22:34>> And as you all know about that like the

22:36prices to be determined whatever the

22:38market is at that time as well. So I

22:40think that's the calculus of why they

22:41kind of said that it may be a wash from

22:45the cost of the perk versus um the ITA

22:50if council wants although it's not ideal

22:53they could be directed to design it for

22:55all three sites then come back at 30%

22:57but that's going to that's going to

22:59probably add a couple million bucks on

23:02the design cost right for them to kind

23:04of get that direction because they'd

23:05have to basically go to like probably a

23:0730% set for three different properties

23:09And that's atypical, but it could happen

23:11if that's the way to go. Right. So, to

23:14me, it's like if the council,

23:16if you really want to just get this

23:17project done, it's really um CAT is

23:20probably the easiest one if you can get

23:22the schools to concur on it because

23:23they're already there and all the

23:25utilities are there and that's probably

23:27probably the least one in terms of like

23:29impactful wetlands and stuff like that.

23:32The [clears throat] bird neck one has a

23:33lot of unknowns and then you also got to

23:34buy the title credits and to your point

23:36the ITA you got to bring all those

23:38utilities there as well. So that's going

23:40to be a significant cost on top of the

23:42809 $90 million to build the building

23:44in.

23:46>> Okay. Worth them Jennifer.

23:48>> Thanks Mayor. Thanks for the

23:49presentation. Three quick questions.

23:52Early on here you said you have an

23:53estimate of 82 million. That is that

23:55include soft costs or

23:57>> No, sir. That's construction costs only.

23:59And for us, construction cost includes

24:01the building and the site development.

24:03>> So maybe another [clears throat] 30 $40

24:05million on top of that could be for soft

24:07cost.

24:08>> Yes. No, not soft cost cuz like they

24:10already have the design contract. It's

24:11already separate apart from that. But

24:13like for site plan and stuff like that,

24:15that's a unknown. That could be 10, 15,

24:1820, $30 million. [clears throat]

24:20>> Okay. So it's going to be north of 82

24:22million at this point. We don't know for

24:24sure. You probably I mean it's probably

24:26a 120 $130 million project.

24:29>> Okay. So on the first two sites you're

24:32saying the challenges are both AUS and

24:34APZ. Can we can't we get the Navy to

24:37help us at this point? Because if it's

24:39not acceptable then I think that would

24:41eliminate those two sites.

24:46>> Why did you say so?

24:47>> So I can I can at least respond to a

24:49little bit. There are a number of things

24:50of course that through the declaration

24:52of the uses uh there there are

24:55stipulations for the declaration of use

24:57of business and the use of education. Of

25:00course this is a training academy. Um

25:03one could construe that it is a a um

25:06educational element that's actually the

25:08one if memory serves me correctly that's

25:10more constraining. Um obviously um it's

25:13also a business entity as well and if

25:16you could have the entire development of

25:18come in under the umbrella of business

25:20it might fare better. Um, as I said, the

25:24other one is is at least on the existing

25:26academy now, it's there's currently in

25:28use and precedented operation of a law

25:31enforcement training academy. But I have

25:33seen in other projects um the Navy does

25:37what the Navy does and unless you all

25:39have good relationships and the ability

25:41to quickly get with them, they take a

25:44very long time to do things.

25:46>> Thanks. And I would agree, we ought to

25:47try to get that on top of that sooner

25:49than later so we don't we can pick a

25:51site. So on the third site, the

25:53Landtown, um how far away are the

25:55utilities from the site? Is it do you

25:57have a guesstimate or

25:59>> I don't um I can say that we're getting

26:02closer to the understanding of that, but

26:04I do have a general sense of maybe a

26:06rough order of magnitude of cost for

26:08utilities in in the event of we had to

26:10go in a a quarter mile distance. Quarter

26:13mile distance could be somewhere in the

26:14neighborhood of 500,000 to a million

26:16dollars to extend the utilities. But we

26:19just don't know exactly um how what

26:21those touch points are just yet.

26:22>> Is that Hudome way or is that

26:24>> also not quite sure whether we're going

26:26to find our way through north of um

26:29Lancetown or whether it's going to come

26:31by Hudome. Intuition says it'll be by

26:32Hudome.

26:34>> Thank you,

26:35>> Jennifer.

26:36>> Thank you, Mayor. Some of it's been

26:38discussed already. Uh for me, number two

26:40is a no. So, I don't think that is an

26:42option for the wetlands. And those look

26:44like were those trees?

26:46>> Yeah, the entire site is

26:49No.

26:50>> So, I don't see that as like a viable

26:52option. So, now we're looking at one or

26:54three. And I was thinking with the AQ's

26:56limitation that training would function

26:58as education, but you know, I guess

27:01that's to be debated. My concern is 82

27:04million. So, how far is that going to

27:06stretch between projects one and three

27:09where we have known factors with site

27:12one, unknown with site three? But with

27:16either site, is there a plan for a

27:18shooting range at this location or it's

27:20just going to be training?

27:21>> It's no shooting range. It's just

27:23training as I understood and through our

27:24discussions early on, um the shooting

27:27range was down in um in the Creeds area

27:29and I believe that's still present.

27:31>> Okay.

27:31>> Yeah. Yeah. It would be unlikely to get

27:33a shooting range permitted in

27:36>> either one of those two areas because of

27:38the proximity of um residents and

27:40>> different people. Y indoor woman that

27:43would significantly increase the cost.

27:45>> Yeah.

27:45>> Okay. Um so

27:47>> but I would say Mrs. Rouse the a I think

27:50Ron Ron right tried to caveat the bird

27:54neck one about the AQS like he's

27:56mentioning that's a unknown. I don't

27:59necessarily know if that's going to be a

28:01terrible ordeal to go through because as

28:03you mentioned, we we currently have a

28:05president of operating uh law

28:07enforcement training academy there as

28:09well, but I think he's just making it

28:10known that it would be something that

28:12you'd have to get evaluated, but we

28:14don't necessarily think that's going to

28:15be one that's going to be overturned

28:16because we do have a precedent of having

28:18a similar facility there already.

28:21>> And then the sheriff and police

28:22department, is there a preference the

28:25ITA or is there a preference? So, I from

28:29my conversations with the sheriff and

28:30police department, I think the sheriff

28:32preferences the um ITA because that's

28:35closer to their operations here and with

28:38their staffing issues, they would have

28:40to not staff would have to travel as far

28:42to operate the jail, but also come down

28:43and do the training down at the um down

28:45at the at a at a bird neck location

28:48where it's at right now. Is that

28:49accurate? Okay. And the chief the chief

28:54is fine wherever the cop wherever the

28:56location is. The chief may have a

28:57preference for bird neck area because of

29:00the more regional nature of it, but the

29:02chief will take the ITA or the chief

29:04will take the bird neck. Is that

29:05accurate chief?

29:06>> Yeah.

29:07>> So then it at this point comes down to

29:08cost and my concern is similar to

29:11council member Cummings that said 82

29:12million is what we are working with and

29:15we know bird neck. We don't

29:18[clears throat] know ITA. Yep.

29:19>> So that's going to be very difficult for

29:21me to decide.

29:23>> Our project should always go. I'll just

29:25say this at this point in time the coun

29:28the cost is always just a conceptual

29:30model as council knows every time we do

29:32a project once you go into design 95% of

29:35the time your costs are going up. Yeah,

29:38>> it you're probably right and I think you

29:40are right. The ITA probably be more

29:42expensive than if you were to do

29:43something at the Lita location that it

29:45is right now.

29:46>> The issue we have with that is schools,

29:48right? From my understanding with

29:50schools, schools is fine with us stay in

29:52there. They want to be good partners

29:54with us, but if we move,

29:57from my understanding with them is that

29:59they want to sell it for some kind of

30:02return that could ultimately go back

30:04into the schools. But council does have

30:05a say on that conversation as well. So

30:09if council wants us to go to the schools

30:11and see if they want to turn over that

30:13site to us for the future law

30:15enforcement training camp, we can start

30:16that conversation with them. But that is

30:18probably the cheapest way to do this

30:20because like it's probably 2030 10 15 20

30:23$30 million of unknown cost likely in

30:25ITA.

30:28>> Okay. Uh Josh and America.

30:31>> Um thank you both very much for the

30:32presentation. Um really good comments

30:35around the table. Um on the the BAK

30:38site, the present leader site, um the

30:42schools schools issue concerns me just

30:45because um I think I think we also have

30:48to be mind mindful of what the highest

30:50and best use of that site is given it

30:52location. [clears throat]

30:53Um and if there is a return to be had

30:57that would benefit schools and the rest

30:58of us for growing the tax base, I think

31:01that ought to be considered especially

31:02in that location.

31:04um especially given the site

31:06constraints.

31:07Uh and then the you know that to the

31:11extent we do decide we want to um

31:14explore the recommended option down the

31:16ITA

31:17those infrastructure costs um you know

31:20aren't you know necessarily just going

31:23to serve that facility alone because

31:24we've got other plans down there

31:26potentially for either municipal or

31:28sports tourism related uses. Um and

31:32those are also you know potentially

31:33economically generative right so um so I

31:37think I think you know if we if we

31:39approach extending the infrastructure

31:40down there is just for LITA I think

31:43we're missing maybe some of the other

31:44opportunities that could potentially um

31:47come to fruition because of that um the

31:49road extension and utilities um and and

31:52and certainly recognize that we have to

31:54be sensitive to that part of the city

31:56and and what we want to see down there

31:57and responsible um use of that property.

32:00So those are my just thoughts but I

32:02think for the work

32:04>> I just want to clarify one thing. The

32:07Lita is the one that does not need a

32:08road extension. It would need utilities.

32:11So the utilities would more or less um

32:14support that facility but it could be

32:16like the water and storage extension. It

32:17could support other things as well but

32:19that's the one that does not need a road

32:20extension is clear.

32:22>> Okay. Hutch and then Amelia

32:24>> does not need. So mine is sort of off of

32:29Councilman Schulman's questions. Um when

32:32we if talking Hudon way and and

32:35Lancetown and if when we whichever way

32:37we extend it looks like Lancetown,

32:39right? Um if we do spend that money for

32:43all the parts, [clears throat]

32:45>> it will be for we will make it so that

32:48it's for whatever else is coming. There

32:51is Right. So I know we're going to be

32:53going I feel for Chad. It's your first

32:55one, buddy. Good luck with keeping it in

32:57budget. [laughter]

32:59I don't want to say your job's on the

33:01line, buddy, but you know,

33:03parks and wreck is still there. So,

33:06[laughter]

33:08>> but I did see your replacement yesterday

33:09at a meeting. I'm just saying.

33:12[laughter]

33:14>> Sorry. I love you, buddy.

33:16But but is you know in this all

33:19seriousness the the money that is spent

33:21is not 100% of it is I mean it will be

33:24at first but then once we add the other

33:26structures and stuff to it it will be

33:29shared. I

33:30>> I just want to and Chad and Ron clarify

33:33for me as well. I just want to clarify

33:35that

33:38>> the the the running of electrical wires

33:41and the pipes

33:43>> Yeah. for that facility will be uniquely

33:46for that facility. Right? Um this is the

33:48one that does not need a road extension.

33:50Some of that stuff may be shared but

33:53this will be uniquely to connect this

33:55facility to water soar and electric.

34:00Right. Is that accurate or

34:01>> Yeah, actually it's accurate but I'd

34:03like to modify that a little bit. just

34:05through our discovery and factf finding

34:07um and reverification of programming,

34:09reverification of site intent um we

34:12would probably very much recommend some

34:15type of in infrastructural support be

34:17placed in at some edge of our site that

34:20would or some edge of the site that

34:22would permit additional infrastructure

34:24to run down North Lancetown. meaning we

34:27can help kick off additional development

34:30later and not be the the pinch point at

34:33the very start of development. Does that

34:34make sense?

34:35>> Yeah.

34:35>> Yeah. Just just to go with Councilwoman

34:38Rouse though is that this is like okay

34:40one and three is still going to mean

34:41some time before we can make that

34:43decision in my opinion. We're going to

34:45have to find out some things here. Um, I

34:48thought I'd heard under some part of

34:50what we were looking at over the course

34:52of a couple of these projects with

34:54whether it was FEMA or or the Alita

34:56[snorts]

34:57and that if big Navy was not so thrilled

35:01to ever give us the

35:04back at Lita or if we were going to

35:06expand the fire training center. But it

35:08sounds like you're thinking that because

35:09we are there, they may allow us to stay

35:12there at Lita

35:13>> with Lita. Yeah,

35:14>> that's what that's what

35:16>> Well, I know we'll have to find out for

35:17sure, but it seemed like to me there was

35:19a point where it was said anything new

35:21would not have been allowed. Um,

35:24>> and I don't remember I I want to say it

35:26was one of the Navy reps that I was

35:27talking to, but

35:28>> yeah,

35:28>> it doesn't hold any water. So, okay.

35:31Thank you.

35:32>> Okay, thanks Mary.

35:35Well, thank you so much for sharing

35:37this. And as I looked at it and the cost

35:42is really high, so I'm leaning more

35:45towards the site that is there already

35:49with many more of what we need than

35:52trying to build out. The last one was

35:54beautiful, but

35:57I'm hoping that we can talk with the

35:59schools

36:00so we can work with that because this is

36:02something we need sooner than later

36:06>> and we may not have all the bells and

36:09whistles,

36:11but this is where I'm thinking

36:14>> just to to frame that discussion there.

36:16Um, and we had talked about this early

36:18in the study phase. um that we had

36:21included um a training tank or a

36:23training pool as part of the element. Um

36:25and there are elements within the the

36:28academy programming that could be

36:29created as subsequent phases of

36:32construction um which could lower costs

36:35at least initially. Of course those

36:36costs come back at inflation in years to

36:39come but we could still lower first

36:41costs. Um so I I think that's very

36:44helpful. A few other things that we can

36:46do as a design team is is we could still

36:48study two sites in tandem um that allow

36:51us to look a little bit deeper in detail

36:53of the um ITA site and a little bit

36:57deeper in detail of the uh current site

37:00just to get a better sense of site cost.

37:02We work with some fabulous cost

37:03estimators, very nimble um so is our

37:06civil engineering team. Um and we could

37:09do studies of that pretty quickly as

37:11well. That would be good because you

37:13know you mentioned does that include the

37:16FFE?

37:17>> Uh no ma'am the it's um it's uh if uh

37:20it's um as my former uh boss principal

37:23used to say if you can pick the building

37:24up from the ground and shake it turn it

37:26sideways and whatever falls out the

37:28windows. That's FF and E. Those are the

37:30things that aren't included in the cost.

37:33>> Okay.

37:34>> And then Stacy

37:35>> really appreciate this comparison. It's

37:37very helpful. Um just

37:41I mean we just considering the CEKC

37:45elementary site. Um

37:48we need to also know that we have to

37:50compensate the schools for that

37:52property. So there's going to be a a

37:54cost of paying them for that. And

37:57secondly, there will be a cost to

37:59demolition of that old building. And

38:02thirdly, I wanted to mention that that

38:04is a site that is really ripe for

38:07economic development to be that close to

38:10the interstate

38:12um to have close to 20 acres there. Now,

38:15you have to deal with the AQS, but there

38:17could be a real opportunity for economic

38:21development bringing jobs. So, just

38:23wanted to throw that into the mix to be

38:26thinking about.

38:27>> Yeah, good points, Stacy.

38:30Are there any have there been any

38:32environmental studies or is there

38:33anything additional that needs to be

38:35done on the IPA site to make sure it's

38:38clear

38:39>> to date that I understand there haven't

38:40been environmental studies done. We

38:42would recommend that it be necessary as

38:43part of this further discussion.

38:46>> That would be a [clears throat] big

38:47issue.

38:48>> We don't suspect anything because the

38:49ITA was I think pretty much green you

38:52know farmland.

38:53>> Yeah. I'm not

38:55>> Yeah. the the for the most part we have

38:58an understanding already environmentally

39:00where wetlands um any of those kind of

39:03traps would be I think what is probably

39:05universal among all three sites is the

39:08conditions of foundations and what can

39:09be done uh and that would that study

39:12would have to be done on all three sites

39:14even even in the existing law

39:17enforcement training academy we would be

39:19remiss if we didn't do a study like that

39:21okay

39:23>> is that it you know at this point,

39:26Patrick. Uh, if we can get some better

39:30numbers, I think I'm one and three. Is

39:32there a consensus? Two is out.

39:34>> So, you want to take two out and then

39:35for the consultant to refine?

39:38>> Um, one and three.

39:40>> Yeah. And because, you know, I think

39:42Rosemary brought up some points about

39:43demolition and, you know, other, you

39:45know, potential there too that we got to

39:47look at.

39:48>> Uh, but the other thing is how much

39:50would it really cost that? I think you

39:52got to look longterm on this too. you

39:55know, what's going to be the best

39:56mission fit, but the bottom line is this

39:58has got to be a priority. It's got to

40:00get done.

40:00>> Does council want us to

40:03get a general sense of the cost before

40:05we engage schools in any conversation?

40:08>> I think that might be

40:12>> I think that would be a prudent

40:13approach. So, we know you know you know

40:15that we can educate also the school

40:18folks on you know the pluses and minuses

40:21and the strength and challenges we have.

40:23>> Okay. Yeah, we're

40:25>> any more discussion with the Navy with

40:27the CCK site because

40:29>> we'll have that conversation.

40:32>> Okay. Hey, thank you. That was very very

40:34well done. Thank you. It

40:36>> was our pleasure. Thank you very much.

40:39>> Okay. Over now. So, Mr. Mayor, the next

40:42presentation.

40:44So, Mr. Mayor, the next presentation

40:46will be a briefing on the Princess

40:48Athletic Complex cross country course.

40:50As council calls, this was the item that

40:51was added in the um in the budget

40:55reconciliation process and the schools

40:57have asked us to come forward and give a

40:58presentation to them. So before we give

41:00the school board a presentation, want to

41:02[snorts] remind city council about the

41:03project and the ask reconciliation

41:05process. So go ahead Chad.

41:07>> Y good afternoon again. Um just going to

41:10provide a brief update on the Princess

41:12Anne Athletic Complex cross country

41:14course. As the manager mentioned, this

41:16is part of a a budget reconciliation

41:18letter. Um it's all up there, but just

41:21to summarize um the opportunity to

41:23potentially partner or uh cost share

41:25with uh city public schools uh was in

41:28that language and that's kind of why

41:30we're here today to um move forward with

41:33some of that conversation and also have

41:36some other updates to share with you um

41:38on the cross country course from the

41:402017 ITA master plan. U I just

41:44highlighted the four eight initiative

41:46areas from that plan. from the sports

41:47center which is the Princess Anne

41:48Athletic uh Princess Anne Commons

41:52Athletic Village and number five which

41:54is the preservation and passive

41:55recreation area and number six being the

41:58city municipal services facilities. So,

42:01um, just of note, you know, from the

42:032017 plan, both LITA and, uh, the cross

42:06country course, which was shown in a in

42:08an earlier version of of the ITA plan,

42:10which, um, gained a lot of traction or a

42:12lot of support, um, are compatible uses

42:15within the 2017 plan, as well as as the

42:18proposed ITA plan comes forward, um,

42:21we're seeing unless any significant

42:23changes to the proposed ITA plan, both

42:26LITA and the cross-country course are

42:29compatible uses. is um and the other

42:31benefit obviously being um a synergy

42:34between the two if if Lita and cross

42:36country are are placed at this site that

42:37the cross country course becomes a great

42:39uh physical uh component for the

42:42students at the at at the Lita at the

42:44academy. Um also of note that both

42:47projects would go separately there two

42:49as of now there are two separate

42:51projects they would run on their two

42:52different uh schedules and tracks um to

42:55completion.

42:58Um, so a little bit about the funding

42:59and the timeline of this. Um, it's

43:02estimated at $6 million for the total

43:04project cost for the cross country

43:06track. Uh, just to note that, um, the

43:09intent was to make this a, uh, high

43:12quality track that could be used

43:14potentially for the collegiate level,

43:16even NCAA. Um, so there are some, uh,

43:20requirements and needs for that to do

43:22that. It's not just uh cutting cutting

43:24some some grass and some trees and uh

43:27creating this course that there are some

43:28specifications and requirements needed

43:30for that if we're going to achieve that

43:31quality of of a cross country course. Um

43:34as far as the rest of the funding,

43:36there's currently uh 1.3 million

43:37programmed in the CIP FY28

43:41um and an additional $1.6 $6 million

43:43will be needed um and included in the

43:45FY28 CIP process um from the city side

43:50um and with council approval and then

43:53the request uh from schools of $3

43:56million um would be contributed um

43:59ideally through the reversion process

44:01which will come later this fall. Uh with

44:03that, we um city staff are going to

44:06present um this similar information to

44:08the school board on October 27th so that

44:10they're updated and aware of of this um

44:13and provide more conversation with them.

44:16Um as I mentioned, you know, that being

44:18a a NCAA or collegiate level type cross

44:22country course, the timeline you can see

44:24here is 30 to 36 months. And that is a

44:27little bit longer than what we would

44:29initially imagine, but like I mentioned

44:32being having the specifications where

44:34there's also some parking parking lot to

44:36be included, probably a bus bus

44:38turnaround, some other ancillary type

44:40buildings and structures to go with

44:42this. Um, so there is quite a bit of

44:44design work that does have to take

44:46place. So that's why we have the

44:48estimated 30 to 36 months total out

44:50there. Um, so just a quick uh update

44:54where that is and and kind of the wise

44:57on the cross country course and happy to

45:00take any questions.

45:01>> Any questions at this point? Barbara and

45:04then Jennifer.

45:06>> Let Jennifer go first.

45:07>> Okay. Jennifer Cash and Barbara. How's

45:09that? I just want to uh for whenever you

45:11go to the schools for a presentation

45:14because I got some phone calls from

45:15school board members questions about

45:17what's going on with the track and the

45:19$3 million and what is this and what's

45:21happening and so I just want to be sure

45:24that the record is clean and that it's

45:26clear in terms of what the because I was

45:30like this was a part of the budget

45:31process so it wasn't something that this

45:33we discussed at the table as an item so

45:36much as something that was included in

45:38the budget. this past budget process

45:40that this is an option for uh moving the

45:44sports tourism forward in this area

45:46specifically with this track and so are

45:49you able to clarify that um what is the

45:53city the option here right so it's not a

45:56demand it's not an ask but there's an

45:58option for cost participation can you

46:01just describe and kind of clean up what

46:03that is and then make sure that that's

46:06>> a part of that conversation

46:07>> so I I'll look for some other council

46:09members to clean up what I'm about to

46:11say if they want to add to the um the

46:12record. But from my understanding when

46:14this came about in budget reconciliation

46:16and the council was contemplating the

46:18ITA planning the update. I think there's

46:20a lot of synergy amongst council and

46:22stakeholders about doing a cross country

46:24trail, right? And then the the folks

46:27that benefit from the cross country

46:28trail would be the residents also this

46:31the schools as well, right? I think some

46:33um some folks in the districts reached

46:35out to certain council members and let

46:36them know that this is something that's

46:37a need for the city, a need for the

46:40schools and that there'll be a lot of

46:41kids participating in it as well. So the

46:44concept was that we would work towards

46:46bringing it into future year funding in

46:48the CIP. And since that this could be

46:50something that could benefit the

46:51schools, we would have a ask and like

46:53you said, it's an ask. It's not a

46:55obligation. It's not a requirement. is

46:57to ask right now for us to ask the

46:58schools to consider cost participating

47:00in this project with the mindset being

47:02that they'll benefit from it as well for

47:04some of their programming and that the

47:06city will ultimately take control of

47:08maintaining the site going forward in

47:10the future but we could work out with

47:12some kind ofou to authorize the schools

47:14to use it for their competitive

47:16activities as well. So right now what

47:19we're doing as a staff is at the school

47:21board's request. We're going to briefly

47:23brief brief the school board on the

47:26concept of the project and then clarify

47:28what the ask is and the ask is for them

47:30to cost participate. The council has not

47:32spoken to how they're supposed to cost

47:34participate. We didn't talk to him about

47:36any particular funding sources, but the

47:38council basically is asking since this

47:39is going to be a benefit that that'll

47:40mutually benefit the city and students

47:42that it makes sense that for the

47:44one-time construction cost, the schools

47:46play a role in cost participating.

47:48>> Thank you. And that's the part I just

47:49want to be sure that when we have our

47:51conversation today in the schools

47:53because I do, you know, I got I'm sure

47:55some of us got phone calls and I was

47:56like, "Oh, let me find out, you know,

47:57what's happening." And so um there this

48:00is an option to cost participate not a

48:03request or demand from the city and the

48:05city is not then directing schools how

48:08to cost participate what funding source.

48:11It is within the authority of the school

48:13board to decide if they want to and how

48:16they are going to fund it. Um because I

48:18know there was conversations about

48:20pulling from the healthcare fund and all

48:21of this and [clears throat] that's you

48:22know we don't want to touch that. so

48:23that the city is not involved in that

48:25and this is a conversation and just for

48:28the public to clarify because I think

48:30there's a lot of um there's a lot of

48:32telephone happening with that issue. So,

48:35thank you.

48:36>> Yeah, we're going to go over cash and

48:38Barbara and work.

48:40>> Thank you, mayor. Um, for me, I received

48:43several phone calls and then the email,

48:45and I I do think clarity needs to happen

48:48because somehow

48:51residents that have kids in school, when

48:55they think of a surplus or something

48:57that is going back to the schools, well,

49:01then they sent me an email saying, "Why

49:04is the city council having control over

49:06that?" Um, one of those emails was

49:12there was a school bus that needed or

49:14school buses that needed air

49:16conditioning. Why couldn't they take

49:18some of that money? We're for the uh the

49:21cross uh country trails,

49:24>> but couldn't they take some of that

49:25money there? And I said, well, those are

49:27good questions. Um, I don't have the

49:30answer to that,

49:32>> but I can tell you I will reach out to

49:34the right departments and we can get So,

49:36I do think that with this reversion

49:38money, um, there needs to be clarity and

49:42there needs to be some communication

49:44between schoolboard elected officials

49:47and city staff where they can at least

49:52communicate to the residents.

49:54What part is city councils

49:57>> and what part is um the jurisdiction of

50:00the school board?

50:03>> And sir, to clarify um as you I got your

50:06email and we're working to get a

50:07response from the schools. The schools

50:09has their own fleet maintenance CIP.

50:11We're going to communicate with them to

50:13get a general sense of the concerns you

50:14heard from your constituents to see what

50:16their plan is to address that and then

50:18we'll share it accordingly. But

50:19basically the council provides the

50:20schools the funding and the schools then

50:23uses the funding to take care of school

50:25operations to include maintaining their

50:26fleet. So I anticipate they'll probably

50:28tell us a response that they're working

50:30to get parts or fix the air conditioning

50:33inside their vehicles.

50:34>> Thank you sir Barbara and then Mark.

50:38Well, it's, you know, I appreciate those

50:39questions because I think the fact that

50:41it's gotten into this whole question of

50:43funding, it's complicated everything,

50:45but in going back to the very beginning

50:48about what we're talking about with the

50:50cross country track and what it would do

50:53and why it's needed, you know, that's

50:56where we were when we were just talking

50:58about putting this in. Who's going to

51:01pay for it is another issue. But it's my

51:04understanding that because we do not

51:06have a cross-country track, our track

51:10doesn't qualify for consideration for

51:13those kinds of things because

51:16we don't have an approved cross country

51:18track. But I think we particularly heard

51:21from the higher education facilities how

51:24much they needed it. [clears throat] I'm

51:26thinking of um whatever Virginia

51:29Wesleyan's name is these days. I was

51:32particularly uh needing it. And so when

51:35we were talking about this initially, we

51:37were talking about why we needed to be

51:40to consider a cross-country track. And

51:43by not having one,

51:45it diminishes our track program. And we

51:48were just looking at what we needed to

51:51do to get the track program where it

51:54needs to be. The funding is another

51:56whole issue, but I think that's what's

51:59being not understood here.

52:02What were we trying to accomplish? And

52:05if our kids have to go to Chesapeake to

52:08do track, that's what I remember

52:10hearing. Uh we don't have the facility

52:13that qualifies.

52:16And so I I think we really need to go

52:18back and hear from what we're trying to

52:22provide and why we're trying to provide

52:25it and then we can get to the funding

52:28situation. But it was clearly because of

52:31what we were told or what I understood

52:35our track program was not able to do

52:38because we don't have the cross country

52:40track in in the schools as well as in

52:44the higher education and it was the both

52:46of them that you know we were hearing

52:48from at the time and I think that's what

52:50we were trying to provide.

52:54>> Okay.

52:55>> Yeah.

52:56>> Mr. Mayor, just to and Miss Henley, your

52:58your point is right like that's some of

53:00the concerns that the council heard

53:01around budget reconciliation. And to be

53:04clear, the council has set aside funding

53:07to start funding half of the program.

53:10Right. The ask right now was schools,

53:12this is going to be a good thing for the

53:14community. And the council will ask,

53:16would you consider cost participating

53:19with the one-time construction cost and

53:21the council will take care of

53:22maintenance going forward? Um, that's

53:25the act as you all mentioned and as I

53:27mentioned, no one's dictated how the

53:29schools meet us on that ass. The

53:32schools, as Mrs. Ross pointed out, they

53:34can take the option not to fund it or

53:36fund it how they see fit within their

53:39operations. I would suspect if the

53:41schools move forward with the funding,

53:43we'll add that to the budget to move

53:45forward with the project a little

53:46quicker. If they don't, we will work out

53:48with council's direction how we want to

53:50move forward with the project in the

53:52budget as well.

53:54I I think we do need to go back to this

53:56whole question of what is a

53:58cross-country track, what will it

54:00provide that we do not have now? What is

54:02the value there? And do we need to

54:05proceed? But like I say, I again I just

54:08remember hearing from the schools

54:10>> and from our higher education. I believe

54:12we also heard from um Regent and as

54:16[clears throat] well as uh Virginia

54:17Wesleyan that their programs are not

54:20able to be what they need to be because

54:22we lack a cross country track.

54:25>> And so I I think we need to know what is

54:28a cross-country track, why do we need

54:30it, what it will do for us that we don't

54:31have now. And I think maybe that got in

54:34a different direction uh through all of

54:37this. Uh so we were clearly looking at

54:39the programming

54:41>> that our schools and both public schools

54:45and the higher education were able to

54:47have that they are not able to provide

54:50and it just seemed like they were saying

54:52this deficiency that they would like to

54:54have corrected.

54:56>> Okay.

54:57>> Thank you mayor. Thanks for the

54:58presentation. What I heard from both

55:00citizens and school board members is

55:02that this is a nice to have but there

55:04might be other needs and we've already

55:06discussed it. buses and health care and

55:08maybe meals. Uh there's a shortage

55:10there. So is a reversionary. That would

55:13be one way. Um because it's this is a

55:15one-time payment. This potentially and

55:18this is an option or a request.

55:20>> It's just a ask, right? So the council

55:22did not pass a resolution saying we're

55:25going to take funds from the schools to

55:27do this. The council just said, "Hey,

55:28this could be a good thing for the

55:30community, could be good for higher ed,

55:31could be good for the high school

55:33program. we're considering

55:34[clears throat]

55:35moving forward with funding it. Schools,

55:37can you would you be willing to cost

55:39participate? Like it was literally just

55:41that was the direction that you all

55:42included reconciliation. That was the

55:44ask of the school board. If they feel

55:45like they can't do it, we will report

55:47that back to council and then I

55:49anticipate council would say it's

55:51something we want to move forward with

55:52and we may figure out a way to fully

55:54fund a project within our own resources.

55:56Just as a quick add-on, it's my

55:58understanding because we are a coastal

55:59city, it's flat here and cross country

56:02really has hills and things and so our

56:04athletes, high school athletes, much

56:06less the college have a harder time

56:08competing statewide because the hills

56:10and other places where they have to run.

56:12So I would hope this would get some

56:13certification to meet a certain

56:15standard. So we could host um cross

56:18country meets.

56:19>> Yep. Yeah. I think that's what Chad was

56:20alluding to why if you build it to a

56:23certain level in the standard is why the

56:25cost is $6 million because they have to

56:26put some of those things in there to

56:28make it at the competitive level.

56:31>> Okay. Right. Um Amanda.

56:34>> Well, I think it's a good idea having,

56:37you know, a cross country track

56:40>> because I see students from Baton

56:42University.

56:43>> They go all through the community trying

56:45to, you know, imitate what they want.

56:48Mhm.

56:48>> And we've got to understand as a group

56:51that sometimes we've got to work

56:53together like the Jerry Cole project

56:57[snorts] where the school asked us to

56:59help with the demolition.

57:02This time we're asking them

57:04>> to help. So it's not always one group,

57:08but as a group with the school and the

57:12council, we can work together because

57:15it's only a one-time ask. so that

57:17they'll understand because some people

57:19said here goes the greedy council. We're

57:22taking back uh uh their reversion

57:26method. So, you know, we need to look at

57:29that that we can work better together

57:31and I think they will enjoy it once it's

57:34up because it's not only the high

57:37schools

57:39but the regular schools and the college

57:43and universities. It will be a win-win.

57:47But like what you mentioned um Miss

57:49Henley is we need to go back to the

57:52table so they will understand

57:55the why and with him you know what's in

57:59it for them and I think they'll have a

58:01better taste of it.

58:03>> I don't think maybe it was all

58:05understood

58:06>> right

58:09>> I I think you're right. I think there's

58:10there is some misunderstanding here and

58:12the thing about this cross country track

58:15is

58:16>> it's got multiple levels of who it's

58:19going to help. I think there's been

58:21because we've talked about that whole

58:22area the sports tourism that people are

58:26thinking we only want this for sports

58:28tourism but I don't think that was ever

58:30ever the intent and I think the intent

58:33was the multi-uses

58:35that this one thing would have and if we

58:38could all come together and and share in

58:41it then it will benefit many you know

58:43benefit higher education it'll benefit

58:45our schools and it could benefit

58:48bringing different um tournaments in but

58:53the sports tourn the sports tour was not

58:55that high on the totem board for this to

58:59happen. I think we was we were really

59:01trying to hit a lot of different

59:02[clears throat] things. So just thought

59:05I would there's not that many things

59:07that we do that hits so many different

59:10levels that this that it would help like

59:12this would.

59:14>> Hey, anybody else? I I think the

59:16ultimate goal here,

59:19Virginia Beach is well known for having

59:21a very high quality of life and the more

59:24things that we could add to our toolbox

59:28that provides uh quality of life and one

59:32of the quality of life indicators is our

59:35recreation that we have here. I mean, we

59:38have rec centers that a lot of cities

59:40don't have. Uh I think we we uh dedicate

59:43$88 million or their budget or

59:45thereabout to you know things like this

59:49for healthy people to do. Um and then

59:53once again we also got a lot of military

59:55members out there that have to stay in

59:58shape and they are very much a part of

1:00:00our community. I think the concept of

1:00:03finding the win-win on this is the way

1:00:05to go

1:00:07and let's talk to the schools. Let's get

1:00:09it done.

1:00:11Thank you.

1:00:13All right. So, Mr. Mayor, members of

1:00:14council, we'll be joined by members of

1:00:16our cultural affairs team that are going

1:00:18to in basically announce an amazing

1:00:22opportunity for the city for one of the

1:00:25first cultural public art installations

1:00:27that exhibits that we're going to bring

1:00:28to Virginia Beach.

1:00:35Afternoon.

1:00:46Good afternoon, Vice Mayor, members of

1:00:48council. We are so excited to be with

1:00:52you today uh to give you a first look at

1:00:56Where Wonder Grows Sanctuary, which is

1:00:59an immersive art experience opening at

1:01:02Mount Trashmore on October 17th. and

1:01:05running through December 16th. This is

1:01:08just anformational briefing. We're not

1:01:10asking you for any decisions today. I'm

1:01:12just here to share exciting news, give

1:01:15you the background of how we got here

1:01:17and what residents and visitors are

1:01:20going to see in the next couple of

1:01:21weeks.

1:01:23It really [snorts] starts with the

1:01:24investment you all made to two years

1:01:27ago. Uh, in July of 2024, council

1:01:30dedicated 20% of the admissions tax to

1:01:34arts and culture. The investment created

1:01:37several new opportunities like the

1:01:39creative neighborhoods grants, expanded

1:01:42support for arts and cultural

1:01:44organizations,

1:01:46and new opportunities for public art

1:01:49across the city. One component was

1:01:52300,000

1:01:54which was set aside annually for a

1:01:56temporary interactive public art

1:01:58experience that would be free and open

1:02:00to the public. The idea is fairly

1:02:03simple. It's to bring something

1:02:05extraordinary to Virginia Beach,

1:02:07something that people might not

1:02:08otherwise be able to see here and might

1:02:11have to travel somewhere else to

1:02:13experience. Where Wonder Grows Sanctuary

1:02:16is the first time we're bringing this

1:02:18vision to life.

1:02:21It began with a competitive national

1:02:24search and invited artists and creative

1:02:26teams were asked to propose what that

1:02:29experience could be. We had a community

1:02:32advisory selection panel that reviewed

1:02:35almost 100 proposals and ultimately

1:02:38selected sanctuary created by Australian

1:02:42creative team skunk control. It's a

1:02:46temporary two-month rental similar to

1:02:49the model used for immersive experiences

1:02:53like Van Go that came to our market. It

1:02:56allows for a major limited

1:03:00run experience in Virginia Beach where

1:03:03skunk control is responsible for the

1:03:05project from fabrication, shipping

1:03:08through installation, operations,

1:03:10security and removal.

1:03:13What makes this exciting is Sanctuary

1:03:16has never been presented anywhere

1:03:18before. It will make its world debut

1:03:20here in Virginia Beach and it will be

1:03:22the largest installation Skunk Control

1:03:25has created to date. It's a very

1:03:28exciting first for our community. Nick

1:03:31the artist was um hoping to join us

1:03:34today, but unfortunately his last

1:03:36shipment was delayed and delivered this

1:03:39morning to Mount Trashmore. So he and

1:03:41his team from um Australia are now right

1:03:45at work um installing the installation.

1:03:49He is very interested though in

1:03:51connecting with the community while he's

1:03:53here and we have opportunities for

1:03:55residents and and students to engage

1:03:58with him.

1:04:00Skunk Control is a Melbourne-based

1:04:04creative studio led by Nick Athensia

1:04:07and there's a really interesting story

1:04:09behind the work. Nick has his doctorate

1:04:12in chemistry and his multi-disciplinary

1:04:16team includes scientists, engineers, and

1:04:19educators. In fact, Skunk Control grew

1:04:22out of a university program focused on

1:04:25hands-on learning and and community

1:04:27engagement. Their background really

1:04:31comes through in the work. They bring

1:04:32together art and science, nature,

1:04:35technology to create this immersion um

1:04:39through curiosity and wonder.

1:04:42Their work can be found all over the

1:04:44world um United States, Singapore and

1:04:47Melbourne.

1:04:50So why did Sanctuary stand out? Uh the

1:04:54approach is really what um appealed to

1:04:57the selection panel. It's not an artwork

1:05:00that you simply en enjoy. It's an

1:05:03environment you enter and explore.

1:05:06Visitors will experience movement,

1:05:09changing light and colors, towering

1:05:12flowers, butterflies, birds, and smaller

1:05:15surprises throughout.

1:05:18The experience changes throughout the

1:05:20day. Sunlight creates color and shadows

1:05:24during the day and then the dark brings

1:05:27illumination and it transforms again.

1:05:30So, there's always something new to

1:05:31discover.

1:05:34The scale of the installation is

1:05:36significant. There will be more than

1:05:384,000 individual elements across the

1:05:41site, including 17 ft kinetic flowers,

1:05:45thousands of illuminated peacocks and

1:05:48birds and hundreds of butterflies.

1:05:51The site plan gives you a sense of how

1:05:54those elements can come together to

1:05:56create an experience visi visitors will

1:05:58actually move through.

1:06:02So why Mount Trashmore? It was a natural

1:06:05fit. It was one of our most familiar and

1:06:08well-loved public spaces and it gives an

1:06:11opportunity to bring art directly to a

1:06:14place where people already gather. I

1:06:17want to recognize Michael Kershman and

1:06:20parks and recreation which has been a

1:06:22great partner and helping us work

1:06:24through the logistics and visitor

1:06:26experience necessary to bring such a

1:06:28large-scale installation to life.

1:06:33The experience also extends beyond the

1:06:36installation itself. Skunk Control will

1:06:39offer free education and community

1:06:41programming, including a collaboration

1:06:44with Virginia Beach City Public Schools

1:06:46and hands-on steam activities. One piece

1:06:49we're excited to share is that the

1:06:51students will create their own

1:06:52butterflies inspired by the installation

1:06:55and then take them home to enjoy.

1:07:00The city's communications team has

1:07:02developed a comprehensive marketing and

1:07:05communications campaign around Where

1:07:07Wonder Grows Sanctuary with promotions

1:07:10across social media, city channels,

1:07:13local media along with our community

1:07:16arts and tourism partners.

1:07:19The timing couldn't be better. October

1:07:21is National Arts and Humanities Month,

1:07:24and there's a tremendous amount

1:07:26happening in Virginia Beach right now.

1:07:28Um, this week is the Vibe District Mural

1:07:31Festival. This weekend is the Boardwalk

1:07:33Art Show, bringing 160 artists to the

1:07:37Oceanfront. Uh, Virginia Musical Theater

1:07:40is bringing Disney Frozen this weekend

1:07:43to Sandler Center, and then next week,

1:07:45Chrom Shorty and Orleans Avenue. So,

1:07:49there's a tremendous amount of energy

1:07:51around arts and culture in Virginia

1:07:52Beach this month. and where wonder grows

1:07:55adds another very different experience

1:07:57for residents and visitors.

1:08:01So, also I wanted to thank Tiffany and

1:08:04Jason and the communications team for

1:08:06helping us tell that story and providing

1:08:09a comprehensive media plan that will

1:08:11keep the experience visible throughout

1:08:13its two-month run. So, here are the

1:08:16details.

1:08:18Anybody that would like to see it, it

1:08:20runs from October 17th through December

1:08:2316th at Mount Trashmore at the It's past

1:08:27shelter 3. There'll be signage to direct

1:08:29people there. [snorts] It's free and

1:08:32open to the public. No ticket is

1:08:34required. No reservation is required.

1:08:36It's open during park hours. Um, but

1:08:40then there's special viewing on Friday

1:08:42and Saturday evenings until 8, which

1:08:45gives visitors an opportunity to

1:08:47experience the installation Illuminated

1:08:50After Dark, except for Halloween when

1:08:52it's not open. We're kicking off

1:08:54everything on October 17th for an open

1:08:58opening celebration. Um, the artists

1:09:00will be there. will have hands-on

1:09:02activities and we're really excited to

1:09:05share uh this very cool new project with

1:09:08the residents and visitors. So, I'm here

1:09:11to take any questions you might have.

1:09:14>> I'll be brief. This is awesome.

1:09:16>> Yeah,

1:09:17>> it's absolutely awesome. It's free. It's

1:09:19familyfriendly. It's the first of its

1:09:21kind. The largest ever that he's ever

1:09:23done. It's in a centrally located place

1:09:26in our city that everybody can enjoy.

1:09:28And this is this is placemating making

1:09:31at like the the very definition of it

1:09:34and it's um residents and visitors can

1:09:37enjoy it. It's it's perfect. Good job.

1:09:40>> Thank you.

1:09:40>> Hey, anybody else? It's free parking

1:09:42too.

1:09:44>> Free parking,

1:09:45>> Jennifer.

1:09:46>> Um this is fantastic because I knew this

1:09:49we you know we got the update that this

1:09:50we were going to get this presentation.

1:09:52I didn't realize how big it is. So

1:09:54that's very exciting and I was like

1:09:56already excited about it, but Olivia is

1:09:58in her butterfly era.

1:10:00>> So

1:10:02>> she's going to be in heaven.

1:10:03>> Hi. [laughter]

1:10:04>> So we'll be out there probably more than

1:10:06once. So thanks for organizing this.

1:10:09>> Thank you.

1:10:11>> Okay. Anybody else at this point?

1:10:13Amelia,

1:10:15>> thank you again. This is exciting. We

1:10:17see that what we did for that 20%

1:10:21admission tax is paying off. You're

1:10:25bringing in wonderful work. You always

1:10:27do. But thank you so much. We look

1:10:30forward to visiting.

1:10:33>> Hey, anybody else?

1:10:34>> Thank you. Now, let me just say real

1:10:37quick that once again when we talk about

1:10:39the quality of life here in Virginia

1:10:41Beach and not too long ago, we're going

1:10:44to bring it up again because it's a

1:10:46fact. It's not bragging. When the New

1:10:48York Times says we're one of the top 53

1:10:51destinations in the entire world for

1:10:54people to come and see. But when you

1:10:56think about the energy of the sports

1:10:58center, the convention center, what you

1:11:00have at the Vibe Center, uh, in the Vibe

1:11:04district and what we have with Atlanta

1:11:06Park in the dome now, you know, the

1:11:08energy that is [clears throat] in that

1:11:10whole section right there where people

1:11:12can cross populate, you know, when

1:11:15people come early to go to a concert,

1:11:16they can go to the vibe and things of

1:11:19that nature. When people are here on a

1:11:21convention and they want to take a walk

1:11:22on a night's day, go to the Vibe. is not

1:11:25even a block away. Uh so once again,

1:11:28thank you for really providing another

1:11:32uh tool in our toolbox for the quality

1:11:36of life that we have here in Virginia

1:11:38Beach. Thank you.

1:11:39>> Thank you.

1:11:40>> Okay.

1:11:43Okay. We're going to get uh rolling with

1:11:45council comments and uh and with your

1:11:48permission, council members, I'm going

1:11:50to start things.

1:11:52Today is our first meeting. Yeah, after

1:11:54our loss of our dear friend and

1:11:57colleague Mark Styles.

1:12:00And I'll tell you what, we're still

1:12:01railing from that.

1:12:05Mark

1:12:06had a legacy [snorts]

1:12:07of integrity,

1:12:10confidence, leadership, and

1:12:11congeniality.

1:12:14You know, consumate professional.

1:12:17And

1:12:19you know, you know, a number of us been

1:12:21on council for a while, you know, a

1:12:24couple decades, and we've known Mark for

1:12:26a long time. And he has navigated us

1:12:30through some of the most challenging

1:12:31times in the history of our city when we

1:12:35think about it.

1:12:38And uh he left a legacy.

1:12:41He left the legacy of excellence.

1:12:44And you know, a number of us attended

1:12:47the celebration of life. And then in

1:12:50talking with Mark's staff,

1:12:53there was no doubt, question or

1:12:55reservation that he was valued and

1:12:58appreciated by his entire staff.

1:13:01But Mark had standards that he imposed

1:13:04[snorts] on everybody that worked in his

1:13:07office.

1:13:09And but mostly he imposed these

1:13:12standards

1:13:14on himself.

1:13:16He was a champion of this council for a

1:13:19long time. He was champion of the people

1:13:22of Virginia Beach for a long time.

1:13:26And you know, we rack our brains trying

1:13:28to come up with some type recognition

1:13:30that honors, you know, the service.

1:13:34And I was really emotionally moved by

1:13:37some of the words that were at the um

1:13:41celebration of life

1:13:44when they talked about Mark's staff

1:13:46talked about his uh rules for

1:13:50professional public service standards

1:13:52that he he imposed on people that that

1:13:57was his expectations that he demanded be

1:14:01met. And I see Dana shaking his head

1:14:04over there. You know, without doubt,

1:14:06question or reservation.

1:14:08You know, Mark, great guy, but he was a

1:14:10taskmaster and he had certain

1:14:12expectations and that was it.

1:14:15And as we were talking about, you know,

1:14:17ways to talk about him, you know,

1:14:19whether it be a baseball field, which he

1:14:21loved or something, the other thing, I

1:14:24think, you know, a formal recognition of

1:14:27what he brought to the table

1:14:30because, you know, he sat in that uh

1:14:33chair as our attorney, you know, for

1:14:36decades.

1:14:39And I think one of the things I'm going

1:14:41to make a you know recommendation and

1:14:43I'm sorry I didn't get to speak to all

1:14:45of you. You I just came about you know

1:14:48this basically over the weekend that

1:14:50what if we were to memorialize

1:14:53his words and put them right over the

1:14:56chair that he sat in for so many years.

1:14:59And with your permission I'm going to

1:15:02send these down to you.

1:15:05And with your permission, I would be

1:15:07honored to read Mark's expectations for

1:15:11what public service is all about.

1:15:14[snorts] Number one, all else do what is

1:15:18right and fair.

1:15:22Number [snorts] two, when there are two

1:15:24or more possible courses of action,

1:15:27choose the one that best promotes

1:15:29transparency and public trust.

1:15:33Three, don't let one mistake cause you

1:15:36to make a sec second. Face the error and

1:15:40correct it before it multiplies.

1:15:44Number four,

1:15:47listen carefully and take the time to

1:15:49think before you speak or act. A pair

1:15:53period of thoughtful silence will for

1:15:56will be forgiven much more quickly than

1:15:59an immediate but incorrect inappropriate

1:16:02response.

1:16:04Number five, be willing to speak the

1:16:08truth to someone who is willing and able

1:16:10to hear it, but limit your communication

1:16:14to the greatest extent possible [snorts]

1:16:16with those who are overly impassion or

1:16:19demonstra

1:16:21demonstrably irrational.

1:16:24Number six, today's foe may be

1:16:28tomorrow's friends and vice versa. So

1:16:31treat everyone

1:16:33with appropriate decorum and respect.

1:16:38Seven, when writing, be clear and

1:16:41concise and use words of common

1:16:44understanding.

1:16:45Writing so that only lawyers can

1:16:48understand what you wrote says more

1:16:50about ego than it does about

1:16:52intelligence or ability.

1:16:55And number eight,

1:16:57assume that everything you say or do

1:17:00[snorts] will be publicly attributed to

1:17:02you someday. Be mindful of how you feel

1:17:06about public attribution. [snorts]

1:17:11You know, the fact is we're going to be

1:17:13changing uh we're going to be

1:17:15confronting future future challenges

1:17:17without Mark.

1:17:19Also part of his legacy is the

1:17:21magnificent staff that he put together

1:17:24that are going to take us through those

1:17:25tough times.

1:17:28So my thought was to remember him in a

1:17:31way and you know have the message out

1:17:33there that you know in a lot of way

1:17:36Mark's expectations are our expectations

1:17:40you know our contact you know conduct

1:17:42and things and I can say that over the

1:17:45years we're a remarkable city

1:17:49you know we get recognition as uh once

1:17:52again we're in the top 10 in the country

1:17:54for best managed city

1:17:57and that goes beyond the council that is

1:17:59the city manager that's a city attorney

1:18:01and that is a city clerk and all the

1:18:05seven you know the employees that work

1:18:08in our great city you know we are a very

1:18:12well-managed city because of the people

1:18:14that are here so I bring this forward

1:18:17for your consideration and discussion

1:18:22>> okay work Barbara

1:18:24>> thank you mayor I think this is a great

1:18:26idea Um, I'm relatively new to the table

1:18:29here and that being said, Mark Styles

1:18:31was an incredible servant to me and I

1:18:34think every one of these rules applies

1:18:36to him at the celebration of life uh

1:18:38last week which was a great celebration

1:18:41and very moving to me. I heard I think I

1:18:43counted 25 adjectives that each of us

1:18:46would would uh really like to be said

1:18:48about us. I mean fair, caring, honest,

1:18:51intelligent was like in the middle of

1:18:52the pack. He was very intelligent, but

1:18:54you didn't know it or he didn't tell he

1:18:56didn't tell you he didn't know it. But

1:18:58anyhow, uh I'm going to miss him. I

1:19:00think we're going to miss him, but I

1:19:01think he did put together a great staff

1:19:02and this will honor him moving forward

1:19:05and this will be great for um our city,

1:19:08too. Barbara,

1:19:09>> this is exactly what I was thinking we

1:19:11should do. And I think we should all It

1:19:14was so unique to hear people say that he

1:19:16just said rule one, [snorts] rule four.

1:19:19[laughter] And I think we probably all

1:19:21need to get to that point as well. I I

1:19:24think uh it's kind of unfortunate that

1:19:27we don't get to know these things about

1:19:29people sometimes until they're gone. But

1:19:32it [snorts] was so impressive to hear

1:19:34what everybody had to say about Mark and

1:19:36uh he was truly a a wonderful person and

1:19:40I think having these rules memorialized

1:19:42for him is probably the very right thing

1:19:44to do.

1:19:47Yes, I agree with what all you've just

1:19:49said. As I got to know him and actually

1:19:53almost 12 years of knowing him, it was a

1:19:56side of him that you once you got to

1:19:59know him, show that family caring.

1:20:02For example, where I had my hip surgery,

1:20:05he will always check how you doing and

1:20:08and ask beyond what we do. And another

1:20:12thing that is important, if you had a

1:20:14question and call him, he will always

1:20:16call you back. Always check with his

1:20:19staff. So he will be missed. He's one of

1:20:22those men for all seasons. So this is

1:20:25very important. Thank you for bringing

1:20:27that up.

1:20:28>> I think we're all bringing it up because

1:20:30>> yes,

1:20:31>> you know, you know, we work together as

1:20:33a team and quite frankly as a family. We

1:20:36are a family and that's why we're

1:20:38grieving here today as a family

1:20:40>> and his children knew this too.

1:20:44>> Did Stacey again just to pile on he he

1:20:49was incredible human being. I got to

1:20:52know him even better sitting next to

1:20:54him. But uh he was

1:20:58pretty much like a second father to my

1:21:00son. They grew up, my son and his son

1:21:03grew up together and

1:21:06shared their childhood experiences and

1:21:10so I mean Mark was great great to our

1:21:13family as well as being great to the

1:21:15council. So you I'd like to see it not

1:21:19only here but I think it would be if we

1:21:21could honor them by putting these words

1:21:23out in a public place. you know, if we

1:21:25could put it out at the sports plex or,

1:21:28you know, the sports um complex where

1:21:31people could see it and get to know a

1:21:34little bit about the man that we know.

1:21:36>> Yeah, that may not be a bad idea. And

1:21:40you know, I tell you what, you know, we

1:21:42have navigated some tough tough seas all

1:21:44together. And yeah, I tell you what,

1:21:47Mark would not hesitate to give people

1:21:49like me what I will call tough love

1:21:52and that you need sometimes because he

1:21:54was always watching out for every

1:21:56individual council member that he's had

1:22:00that I've interacted with since 2004.

1:22:04But he came on, I'd say he was our

1:22:06litigator until 2009, I believe, and

1:22:09then he became, you know, a city

1:22:11attorney and, you know, ever since then.

1:22:15uh you know he would give incredibly

1:22:17sage advice you know because you know

1:22:19being in the public arena you know

1:22:22there's a lot of issues that do pop up

1:22:25that requires is you know legal advice

1:22:28and counsel that's just part of the

1:22:30nature of what we deal with and I can

1:22:33never ever uh remember a time when he

1:22:36did not give me sage advice that turned

1:22:38out to be extremely professional

1:22:40improvement

1:22:42you got

1:22:43>> no um you called me this a yeah this

1:22:45morning about it and I told you then I

1:22:47thought it was a great idea when we

1:22:48heard them at the celebration of life I

1:22:50said that's really a fantastic list one

1:22:53for all of us to live by

1:22:56>> yeah Jennifer

1:22:58>> I thought the same thing just listening

1:22:59to you know people would say number five

1:23:02or six and I thought to myself I want to

1:23:05see it like I want to see it I'm writing

1:23:06myself so I'm glad that we have this

1:23:09here and it's something that would

1:23:10benefit the public wherever we put it I

1:23:14I support it and I'm thankful for this

1:23:16moment because it felt weird to come in

1:23:17here and just kind of like go through

1:23:19>> the emotions like okay just kind of

1:23:22after this incredible loss. So, um, I

1:23:25didn't know him except for the sitting

1:23:28here and the times, but he was such a

1:23:30good person. And I think what stuck with

1:23:33me was because we carry a lot of stress

1:23:35with this work. Like there's a lot of

1:23:37visibility, there's a lot of stress,

1:23:38there's good things, but there's a lot

1:23:39of angst too that we carry. And he would

1:23:43call and every time he called about

1:23:45something, he would say, "I am sorry if

1:23:48you're with your family. I'm sorry if

1:23:49I'm interrupting." Yeah,

1:23:50>> I would say like what like where this is

1:23:52there are no boundaries with that like

1:23:54this kind of work is you got to if

1:23:55there's an issue you got to handle it

1:23:57but his priority was always you know

1:23:59how's Aaron how's Olivia you know sorry

1:24:02it's dinner time and I'm calling you

1:24:04around here and that was my experience

1:24:07but then to hear everyone seemed to have

1:24:09that same experience that with with the

1:24:13with the weight of everything to be the

1:24:14city attorney of Virginia Beach he knew

1:24:17what mattered and he lived in a that

1:24:20like what mattered was what was first

1:24:22for him and that was he was just a very

1:24:26good person. So I'm grateful that we

1:24:28have this moment just to like pause and

1:24:30and also I get a copy so I can see this

1:24:33for myself. So um yeah whatever wherever

1:24:36we put it I support it.

1:24:40>> Anybody else at this point?

1:24:43>> Yeah. So uh with your permission I think

1:24:46you know we can move forward and put put

1:24:48something dignified up there and uh

1:24:53you know you know uh you know we live in

1:24:56a tough world these days. We all do.

1:24:59Every branch of government is subject to

1:25:02all kinds of stuff. But I tell you what,

1:25:05when you get somebody like Mark Styles

1:25:08and you get to know him not only as an

1:25:12excellent attorney, but as an excellent

1:25:16person, an excellent family man,

1:25:19excellent husband, father, you know, who

1:25:21did stuff. I tell you what, [snorts] I

1:25:23think it's uh you I'm glad we had this

1:25:26conversation and I thank you very much.

1:25:29>> Okay. Anybody else got anything? Uh

1:25:31leaison, council comments, anything?

1:25:33Rosemary and then Barbara.

1:25:35>> Well, we did the ribbon cutting of

1:25:38Winston Salem Avenue on Saturday morning

1:25:40and the weather wasn't so great, but we

1:25:42had a great turnout. We had at least

1:25:45over 50 people and they were so happy

1:25:48and the road is extraordinarily

1:25:50beautiful. There was also a sign

1:25:52unveiling for the neighborhood of

1:25:54Shadelon because they had not had a

1:25:56neighborhood sign in probably decades.

1:25:59But I want to thank our manager for your

1:26:02team that has shepherd us through this

1:26:05whole thing. [snorts] It was 39 years

1:26:07they asked for that road to be done.

1:26:09Other projects don't take that long

1:26:12>> when it came [laughter]

1:26:14around for them. But uh and they just

1:26:18did a fantastic job and you're and Emily

1:26:20Archer was there and Dennis Oswaza was

1:26:22there and just want to thank you so much

1:26:26for all that you've done. Anybody

1:26:30else? Work, Barbara, and then work.

1:26:33>> Well, I have two or three things, but

1:26:35I'll try to be be quick. Uh, another

1:26:38really great thing, uh, this year, the

1:26:42Senior Resource Center is celebrating

1:26:44its 19th year of operation. It's really

1:26:48hard to believe. We've been doing this

1:26:50for 19 years. And we had a wonderful

1:26:53anniversary party Sunday afternoon. We

1:26:56were entertained by um the newest group

1:27:00of people who are uh doing um uh

1:27:04something uh for us that that um uh we

1:27:09have these these great activities and um

1:27:15it it's just a matter of anybody can

1:27:18come. We say we are senior resource

1:27:21center but we don't have any rules about

1:27:23who comes and who doesn't. if you walk

1:27:25through the door, you're a member. Uh,

1:27:28and it it's just been the greatest thing

1:27:32that we could have possibly done for I

1:27:34think the southern part of the city, but

1:27:36I've got to tell you, we have people

1:27:37there from all over uh because people

1:27:40have found us and and and so forth. Um,

1:27:44so, um,

1:27:46I I really want I brought the newsletter

1:27:49so that you could read to some of the

1:27:51things that we do, but, uh, like I say,

1:27:53the newest activity is this doulamer

1:27:56class. So, if you would like to learn

1:27:58how to play the doulamer, just come down

1:28:00on Wednesday morning at 10:00 and that's

1:28:03our that's an activity we have now. And

1:28:06and it's just an opportunity for

1:28:08something. There's nothing like this any

1:28:09place. Not not just in Virginia Beach,

1:28:12but any place. It's so special. And so,

1:28:15here are some um newsletters so you can

1:28:17see what we do. But because I want you

1:28:20to know so much about it, uh there our

1:28:23next annual event that we have every

1:28:26year is our uh first responders annual

1:28:29appreciation lunchon which will be

1:28:31October 21st, Wednesday, October 21st.

1:28:35And so we are inviting all of you to

1:28:36come down. So you can see what uh what

1:28:39we have and what is it you particularly

1:28:41like

1:28:42>> a corn beef and cabbage on St. Patrick's

1:28:44Day.

1:28:45>> Okay.

1:28:46Fed very well when you come down to the

1:28:48>> I work for food miss.

1:28:50So, [clears throat] I'm going to pass

1:28:51this around and I hope that uh that you

1:28:54will get down to see our uh we do this

1:28:57for the first responders every year

1:28:59because we know how much the police,

1:29:01fire, rescue, and sheriff's department

1:29:03does to take care of us and so we want

1:29:05you all included too. Um,

1:29:10a couple of projects I wanted to ask

1:29:12about. I believe yesterday was the day

1:29:15for the bid opening of the Sandbridge

1:29:17sand replenishment project.

1:29:20Uh, I will certainly be interested in in

1:29:24hearing from that. I hope it was what we

1:29:26expected and wasn't something way out of

1:29:28line.

1:29:29>> I think if LJ can come, Mr. Mayor, is it

1:29:32okay for LJ to give a quick update on

1:29:33that real quick? Sure. I'll be worried.

1:29:36>> Um, I I think uh I I've heard that with

1:29:39this northeaster

1:29:41get taken away from down there and it

1:29:44can't happen too soon. But this is a a

1:29:47fantastic project and I think that the

1:29:50beauty of it is the funding comes from

1:29:53the Spanbridge Special Service District

1:29:56and taxes within Sandbridge

1:29:58and I think that's really important for

1:30:01people to know.

1:30:04>> How did that come out?

1:30:06>> Yes, ma'am. We did get the uh bid

1:30:07opening results yesterday. The uh bid

1:30:10did come back under the engineers

1:30:12estimate. We're always excited when we

1:30:14get a bid under the engineers estimate

1:30:15these days. Um, of course, it still has

1:30:18a process to go through before the Army

1:30:20Corps can award it, but we are uh very

1:30:22optimistic that we'll be able to remain

1:30:24on on the schedule that we had

1:30:26previously identified where we

1:30:27anticipate being able to

1:30:29>> stay there for my next one. We uh we

1:30:31also have a the project for the Pungo

1:30:33Ferry Road project that I think it had

1:30:36to meet a a a grant deadline of last

1:30:40week. I hope we met that so we didn't

1:30:42have to return any federal money. But

1:30:45this is such an important road. I think

1:30:47it's probably a road that it's it's

1:30:49probably the of the large roads. It's

1:30:51probably the first one that floods

1:30:53anytime there's a south wind or rain.

1:30:56And to be able to get this road done

1:30:59would be extremely important. So I hope

1:31:01this one is moving forward too.

1:31:03>> Yes, ma'am. We're we still remain on the

1:31:05schedule that was uh given to us by

1:31:08FHWA. So we we're still moving forward

1:31:11with all due diligence on that project.

1:31:13>> I think the the grant the protect grant

1:31:15had to be dated by

1:31:18>> September 30th

1:31:18>> last week in order. So we did meet that

1:31:21and and everything's still a go.

1:31:22>> There were certain elements that had to

1:31:24be done by September 30th. There are

1:31:25other elements that have to be done by

1:31:27the end of the year. There are a number

1:31:28of of milestones but we remain on

1:31:31schedule. We've met all of the

1:31:33milestones to date. um that that funding

1:31:36is of course critical and and we're

1:31:38mindful of of some of the limitations

1:31:41that that are coming out of Washington

1:31:42as it as

1:31:43>> we're constantly hearing about the

1:31:44things that we don't do, but I think

1:31:45these two projects in district two are

1:31:47really very important and it's good to

1:31:50know that they are both moving along and

1:31:52and and doing well. So, I really

1:31:55appreciate that and I I appreciate the

1:31:57work that y'all did to get uh New Bridge

1:31:59Road uh fixed. Uh and uh it I was down

1:32:04through there today and and uh New

1:32:06Bridge Road is hard to be a good road,

1:32:08but it got better. So, thank you a lot

1:32:11for doing that.

1:32:11>> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. while you while

1:32:13you were up there. If I can you know

1:32:15bring something up um about a month ago

1:32:18I got a phone call from uh you know the

1:32:21district director Philadelphia from the

1:32:23EPA and you we're talking about

1:32:25appointment to different you know

1:32:27organization you know part of the

1:32:28organization and she said do you have

1:32:30any pressing issues? So I brought up a

1:32:33couple of our pressing issues on NMO and

1:32:35a few other things and she goes oh let

1:32:37me see what I can do in Washington.

1:32:40Well, uh, last week, uh, Patrick LJ and

1:32:43I were able to meet with David Fatoule,

1:32:47uh, and he is the deputy administrator

1:32:50of the DPA, number two guy, and he

1:32:53brought an entourage with him. And

1:32:55Patrick, [snorts] if you can comment a

1:32:57little bit about that.

1:32:58>> Yeah. So, um, Mr. mayor, members of city

1:33:01council. When he came, we were able to

1:33:02talk to him about several key issues,

1:33:04some of our flood protection projects

1:33:05and some of our other projects overall.

1:33:07But we also spent some time talking

1:33:09about NO7B and how important that road

1:33:11is is for access down there and also the

1:33:14the complications that happen whenever

1:33:16we have to open up for Damn Neck. And we

1:33:18impressed to him that we would love

1:33:19their support in helping to move the

1:33:21phase two of the EIS forward more

1:33:24expeditiously. and um he basically gave

1:33:26a commitment that they'll work with us

1:33:29um diligently as partners.

1:33:32>> The the sand replenishment at Sandbridge

1:33:35to me is just phenomenal. And I know we

1:33:38require that they have funding for two

1:33:41projects,

1:33:43one for the next project and one for an

1:33:45emergency. And I think when we look at

1:33:48some of our neighbors around us who

1:33:51didn't take the sand replenishment route

1:33:54and we look at what we have at

1:33:55Sandbridge

1:33:57and and the fact that we do have this

1:33:59regular replenishment

1:34:01>> that funds itself through the special

1:34:04service district I think is really

1:34:06phenomenal. I think it's one of the best

1:34:08things we ever did when we did that

1:34:09special service district for that and

1:34:11and and came up with this project and

1:34:14and I think um y'all do a really good

1:34:17job and of course it allows the beach

1:34:20maintenance, the sand replenishment, but

1:34:22also the other maintenance with the sand

1:34:24and and so forth. So, I don't think

1:34:27we're recognized quite enough for the

1:34:29the good decisions we make. And I know

1:34:31that the public works people and and the

1:34:33staff have done a lot of work to to make

1:34:35these things happen. and I really

1:34:37appreciate it.

1:34:39>> You know, I think Barbara, you also

1:34:41mentioned, you know, when we saw the,

1:34:43you know, watching the news channel or,

1:34:46you know, the weather channel, we saw

1:34:48the de, you know, devastation, you know,

1:34:50soil erosion all over Jersey and

1:34:52everything, but especially in North

1:34:54Carolina at the Outer Banks, you know,

1:34:57it was night and day difference, you

1:34:59know, the responses. So I you know kudos

1:35:03you know for the rapid response and

1:35:05doing so. Great.

1:35:07>> Thank you sir.

1:35:10>> Okay. Anybody else work?

1:35:11>> Thank you mayor. I just want to

1:35:13congratulate the organizers of

1:35:16fest that uh happened at Rudy Loop this

1:35:18weekend. Very well attended. Celebrating

1:35:20the art and culture and food um of

1:35:24Filipino community. And then also the

1:35:26India fest at the convention center. A

1:35:28lot of folks attended both of those. So,

1:35:30that being said, this weekend, as Emily

1:35:32Leau said, is the 70th anniversary or

1:35:36the Boardwalk Art Show, which starts

1:35:38Friday and ends Sunday. It's a great um

1:35:40event as well for the fall for our

1:35:43citizens and our region for that matter.

1:35:44And then the second part, if I could ask

1:35:47the city manager to clarify uh the Dairy

1:35:49Queen and what um council intends and

1:35:52plans because it's some misinformation

1:35:55out there.

1:35:56>> Yeah. Yeah. So, Mr. Mayor, Mr. was happy

1:35:58to clarify kind of where the city um

1:36:01where we are as it relates to the Derek

1:36:02property. So, as you all know, the Dair

1:36:04Queen lease was set to expire next year.

1:36:06So, we came to council to talk about

1:36:08several options of where to go next. Um

1:36:11the the the deal was supposed to

1:36:13escalate in terms of cost increases and

1:36:15there were some other asks and we all

1:36:17came to the decision to let the lease

1:36:19naturally expire and the council has

1:36:22initially authorized a interim use a

1:36:24interim use for police substation and

1:36:26while it is maintained as a police

1:36:28substation as per interim basis we'll do

1:36:30a basically a a RFI or some kind of

1:36:33community engagement process to get a

1:36:36better sense of what the permanent use

1:36:37could be with working with our council

1:36:39our stakeholders and also the citizens

1:36:41of Virginia Beach. So, right now going

1:36:44forward, it'll probably be inter room

1:36:45use towards the end of next year into

1:36:47the 28th season and then while we work

1:36:50on a permanent um development plan for

1:36:52the site.

1:36:54>> Thank you.

1:36:55>> Okay, Amelia.

1:36:57>> Well, District 4 has a lot going on. I

1:37:01would like to share first of all that um

1:37:07I got a lovely letter

1:37:10And I'll just read the first little

1:37:12paragraph. Dear Dr. Ross Hammond, on

1:37:15behalf of Timberland Way Cares

1:37:18Incorporated, a 501c nonprofit, I'm

1:37:22pleased to introduce Creative Verse

1:37:26taking place October 24th, 2026

1:37:30at Baton University in Virginia Beach

1:37:33with evening programming at Virginia

1:37:36Mocha. Our mission is to turn creativity

1:37:39into opportunity by connecting young

1:37:42people and the community with education,

1:37:46technology, mentorship,

1:37:48entrepreneurship, and the arts. With

1:37:51Timberland's involvement, participants

1:37:55will see firsthand how far creativity

1:37:59can take them in music and beyond. And

1:38:02that will be next week, October 24th in

1:38:06district 4. And in fact, I said, why

1:38:10don't some of his family come? So, at

1:38:12least we got a chance to see see them

1:38:14because they have been so busy preparing

1:38:18this. So, in our audience, if we'll have

1:38:20Stan, his cousin Michelle, who is the

1:38:23consultant for that, and we have his

1:38:26uncle, Eric

1:38:29St.

1:38:31and his wife, auntie. [laughter]

1:38:36So, they're all here. So, let's get

1:38:38>> on the spot. Huh?

1:38:42>> Okay. So, that's one thing that's

1:38:44happening. The second thing is um some

1:38:47things that happened. For example, at

1:38:50VACC,

1:38:52this was our eighth annual community

1:38:55fall festival, and that's the Virginia

1:38:58African-American Culture Center. And

1:39:00even though the weather was funny, we

1:39:02still had a wonderful time because we're

1:39:05able to bring some new um emerging

1:39:08artists. We had a harpist. We had a se

1:39:11steel burn and some drumming, a health

1:39:14forum. And we had what was really that

1:39:18took the day was the legendary Joe

1:39:21Smith, you know, the basketball player.

1:39:25And we had just a wonderful time. All

1:39:27the youth came out. He had the adults

1:39:30group. He had the um high school

1:39:35all the way down to little kids. They

1:39:37formed teams. They got trophies. We had

1:39:40our police out there. We have Chief

1:39:43Nudig. And he was looking around saying

1:39:45all these kids are here. There was no

1:39:49problem. They were all enjoying

1:39:51themselves. And this is what we want to

1:39:53see including our precinct uh Carlos.

1:39:57The third thing is

1:40:00something to do with the third annual

1:40:04fall in love with Virginia

1:40:06event which is happening in Petrick and

1:40:11they are stopped by talking with them

1:40:13and they mention Nancy Hillman.

1:40:17There she is saying that they are part.

1:40:20She's sending someone to be part of

1:40:22this. And um I was excited to also see

1:40:25the book, the little guide, tourist

1:40:28guide book from Virginia Beach, which I

1:40:31worked on. They had it and said it's

1:40:33very popular and people continue to pick

1:40:36that up to know about Hampton Roads. And

1:40:39my last thing, I think I had I think I

1:40:43covered everything. that Timberland

1:40:47and there is one more thing

1:40:51that is hiding somewhere. Oh yes, the

1:40:53VML conference

1:40:56Virginia Municipal League will be here

1:41:00in Northolook this time. Last time it

1:41:02was in Virginia Beach. So as I'm sitting

1:41:05here opening

1:41:06their book about it, who do I see?

1:41:12So, Virginia Beach is definitely there

1:41:15and there I am.

1:41:17>> District four woman.

1:41:18>> District 4 woman. So, we're excited and

1:41:22uh I'm so happy to share all of this

1:41:24news.

1:41:25>> Okay. Thank you. Anybody else touch?

1:41:27>> Just real quick, um we had the active uh

1:41:30transportation advisory committee uh

1:41:32meeting this week. It's a really good

1:41:34group. They work hard. Um, director

1:41:36Kershman was there and we had we had uh

1:41:39just some good discussions on some

1:41:40stuff, some beginning to look at, not

1:41:42anywhere just micro micro

1:41:46mobility. We're at the very very

1:41:48beginning of it, but there's going to be

1:41:49lots of discussion of what that means.

1:41:52Um, we did talk about past uh

1:41:55transgressions by some companies with

1:41:57the scooters and how that had a lot of

1:42:00problems and what that [snorts] will

1:42:01look like.

1:42:02Um, we did talk about the differences of

1:42:04our city as far as Sandbridge, you know,

1:42:08the Boardwalk, VB Trail, public private

1:42:12partnerships that may have to come out

1:42:14of this. VB Trail will be another whole

1:42:16uh animal that will have to get figured

1:42:18out on how the, you know, people getting

1:42:21to work via scooters and all kinds of

1:42:23things could come out of that. So, what

1:42:25that will look like. I talked about us

1:42:27our discussion before about the corral

1:42:30and making sure everything is kept neat

1:42:31and you know would it be some spaces in

1:42:33the parking garages. It's very early on

1:42:36but I just wanted to say that we we are

1:42:38we are starting to discuss it there. Um

1:42:42I would be remiss if I didn't say a

1:42:44pitch again for uh maintenance money for

1:42:47the for the uh trails and all. Kevin,

1:42:50Michelle, clear, I know you're back

1:42:51there listening to me.

1:42:55>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I can't see back,

1:42:58>> but I know you're there,

1:43:00>> but I know you're there, buddy. So um

1:43:03and then uh lastly and and director

1:43:06Kershman if I'm wrong on this or help is

1:43:08the crossing guards um from the schools

1:43:12and that was PD and they were talking

1:43:14about that is that they are having a

1:43:15problem uh recruiting some of these uh

1:43:19some of these mostly ladies uh have got

1:43:2230 plus years working the crossing guard

1:43:25uh is some of them do four schools you

1:43:27know I never knew that they were paid by

1:43:29the schools so just just an issue that

1:43:32we're starting to face that that may

1:43:34have to look different, come from a

1:43:35different angle on how we're going to go

1:43:37about that. So, that was just something

1:43:38that was brought up that I thought I

1:43:40would bring up to your attention. So,

1:43:42all right. Thank you.

1:43:43>> Hey, anybody else? Yeah, Josh.

1:43:45>> Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor. And, um, thank

1:43:47you. Um, and and it brought to mind

1:43:50especially as we get into legislative

1:43:52requests. Um, and I know we had a task

1:43:56force on ebikes and there was something

1:43:58that we felt we might want to or could

1:44:01go to the state to ask for a little bit

1:44:03more

1:44:05just trying to get a handle on some of

1:44:06the more dangerous activity while still,

1:44:09you know, allowing for the um, you know,

1:44:12the the responsible and and athletic

1:44:15uses. Uh, but I don't I don't I forget

1:44:18what all those things are or whatever,

1:44:20but um I just I hope we're still running

1:44:22that down. Um and uh and since it was a

1:44:27fifth Tuesday at the end of September,

1:44:30um it's been a couple weeks since we've

1:44:31actually met. So, and in between then

1:44:33and now was uh the Neptune Festival,

1:44:36which um had some really bad luck again

1:44:39with the weather. Uh but they made um

1:44:42lemonade out of lemons and had a nice

1:44:45weekend and just just wanted to um let

1:44:48them know we're thinking of them and

1:44:50unfortunately the they were subject to

1:44:52the weather that weekend but um it was

1:44:55certainly [clears throat] a culmination

1:44:56of a wonderful year of celebration for

1:44:58the festival and thank you for all the

1:45:01staff people that helped work out

1:45:04different venues at the last minute um

1:45:06in anticipation of some of that bad

1:45:08weather. Okay. Anybody else? Let me just

1:45:11finish off. Um, you know, I ran a few

1:45:14minutes late. I was at the state of the

1:45:16region lunch and uh, you know, Hutchin

1:45:21Worth and Amelia were able to get back,

1:45:23but there was a when I was ready to

1:45:25leave, they started a conversation. They

1:45:27were talking about the the economy,

1:45:30national economy, how it affected uh,

1:45:34you know, the Hampton Roads region and

1:45:35everything, but they really emphasized,

1:45:38I'm going to bring it up, housing as a

1:45:41major, you know, consideration. Uh, and

1:45:44they really emphasize, especially with

1:45:46the military infrastructure,

1:45:49you know, the need and demand for

1:45:51housing. and they were talking about

1:45:53multiple uh service areas, you know,

1:45:56throughout the East Coast. And the one

1:45:59that insulated itself best for economics

1:46:04was Raleigh. And they were saying that

1:46:07Raleigh committed to making up the delta

1:46:10in the housing inventory and that's how

1:46:14they able to maintain

1:46:16economic viability. And they also

1:46:19brought up the fact that when we are

1:46:22below housing inventory that drives up

1:46:26the price of existing housing costs and

1:46:30they were talking about existing housing

1:46:32costs being flat and everything. So it's

1:46:35really at a premium. So people are, you

1:46:37know, then that's was really raising

1:46:39residential property taxes.

1:46:41>> And those properties, I mean, those

1:46:44cities were the ones that were compared

1:46:46to us, you know, it was it was the all

1:46:49the the ones that were generally

1:46:50accepted as being our equals across the

1:46:53eastern seabboard basically. and and

1:46:56there was the four of us that were at

1:46:58the top where you didn't want to be and

1:47:00then Raleigh was noticeably less because

1:47:02they stayed aggressive and getting the

1:47:04different levels of housing accomplished

1:47:07for their uh for their citizens and it

1:47:09was I don't want to misquote but it was

1:47:1120 some points or whatever below us and

1:47:14every below the other four it was

1:47:17noticeable the difference and the

1:47:18[clears throat] economist the Old

1:47:19Dominion economist I forget his name

1:47:22said that that was

1:47:23>> Dr. McNap.

1:47:24>> Yeah, that there was a direct

1:47:25correlation as to what it was. Now,

1:47:28obviously, we're late to the party here

1:47:30trying to get it done, but that's, you

1:47:32know, not that we shouldn't keep trying

1:47:33is what I've got out of it.

1:47:35>> No, but you know, I agree with that

1:47:36100%. And but but once again, they

1:47:40really emphasize the need because of the

1:47:42military presence here and our military

1:47:45infrastructure, you know, which is a lot

1:47:47of the motivation by some of the actions

1:47:49we've been taking lately. Uh but the

1:47:51other point and I know you might have

1:47:53left for this one. They brought up uh

1:47:56two main points of you know we're in a

1:47:59struggling economy. You know we've been

1:48:01in one but right now it's uh you know

1:48:03people are really really stressed.

1:48:05Governments are stressed but they

1:48:07brought up two bright points. The port

1:48:09of Virginia and the fact is tourism and

1:48:12hotels

1:48:14were significantly up there and really

1:48:17helping to bolster the local economies.

1:48:20And you know that once again that's

1:48:22another one of our emphasis. And I'll

1:48:25tell you what uh you know thankfully to

1:48:27a lot of people we had a darn good

1:48:28summer. Uh and you I can't wait till we

1:48:31get to count and you know I I have a

1:48:34funny feeling that we're going to do

1:48:36better than we did you know and just

1:48:38even the previous year. So uh you know

1:48:40good honor us there. Okay. Anybody else

1:48:42at this point?

1:48:44>> Okay. Uh

1:48:47>> okay. under uh ordinance and

1:48:48resolutions. I just wanted to mention

1:48:50before we get started on number two, um

1:48:54hate to do this to everybody, but we had

1:48:56asked to send the short-term rental

1:48:59overlay back to the planning commission.

1:49:01Well,

1:49:02>> back immediately.

1:49:03>> Further consultation with the staff. We

1:49:06don't think we can get ready in 30 days.

1:49:08Of course, it's less than 30 days now.

1:49:10>> Yeah. So this is to sort of resend that

1:49:13now for now until we have time to get

1:49:16everything ready. So that doesn't mean

1:49:18this is the end of it, but we just we

1:49:21just can't be ready in 30 days. Worth,

1:49:22did you want to add to that?

1:49:23>> Yeah. And and Dana or excuse me,

1:49:26attorney Armire, can you speak to that?

1:49:28But the intent is not to withdraw it

1:49:30permanently, but to get I guess our act

1:49:33together. Val, let you

1:49:35hoping I'm hoping it's going to come

1:49:37back. I'll largely repeat what the vice

1:49:39mayor said that there's a desire for

1:49:41additional stakeholder input. 30 days

1:49:44might have been a bit on the aggressive

1:49:45side and so we did not want to limit the

1:49:47input we received from our stakeholders.

1:49:50>> Thank you.

1:49:50>> So we just want to resend it for now and

1:49:53this is not this is not the end of

1:49:55you're going to see that again. And then

1:49:57um I think there was also a question

1:49:59about the transfer of money from Winston

1:50:02Salem Innovation Park to 18th Street. I

1:50:05wonder if Patrick wanted to speak to

1:50:07that

1:50:09>> transfer. So, madam vice mayor, um

1:50:12members of city council. So, basically

1:50:13what is going on here is that this is

1:50:15something that we typically do at times

1:50:17when projects um tend to run over. So,

1:50:19the the vibe street infrastructure

1:50:22project is a project where we're

1:50:24wrapping up our contract close out, our

1:50:26punch out items, and our end of warranty

1:50:28um payments. So, we need to pay the

1:50:31contractor. So what we're doing is that

1:50:33we're going from we're going to other

1:50:36mixed funded projects that are general

1:50:39fund project and also a tip related

1:50:42project and using the funds there to pay

1:50:44out the final payment to the contractor.

1:50:46It'll still leave money on the two

1:50:48projects. I think one is the innovation

1:50:49park project and one is also for

1:50:53um the Winston Salem project. It'll

1:50:55still leave money on those projects for

1:50:57us to finish paying out our punch out

1:51:00and our end of warranty items. And then

1:51:02whatever funds remain, if any funds

1:51:03remains after we pay out those things,

1:51:05they tend to fall to fund balance.

1:51:07Right? So the basically policy is that

1:51:09if the funds came from the tip, it'll

1:51:11fall to the tip. Or if the funds came

1:51:12from the general fund, it'll fall to the

1:51:13general fund fund balance.

1:51:17>> Okay.

1:51:18>> Okay. Um,

1:51:21>> so

1:51:23the the entire

1:51:26260,000 and 4 and 200,000, did all of

1:51:29that money come from the tip fund? No,

1:51:31the all of all of those are mixed funded

1:51:33projects. Okay. Right. So I think the

1:51:35the vibe street project, the bulk of it

1:51:37is general funded and some of it is also

1:51:39tip funded project as well. Um the

1:51:41Winston Salem is similar. It's um

1:51:43general funded initially and then there

1:51:45are some um tip fund once the once we

1:51:48need additional funds to close it out.

1:51:50>> Okay. So then at the end of when the

1:51:53Winston Salem project closes then that

1:51:55money go back to the tip fund or a

1:51:58single portion

1:51:59>> similar basically. Yeah. like a pro rat

1:52:01share. So if it was like 70% general

1:52:03fund, 30% tip, typically if there's $100

1:52:05left, 70 will go to general fund, 30

1:52:07will go back to the tip.

1:52:10>> Okay,

1:52:11>> that's if funds remain cuz we got to we

1:52:14got to pay the contractor after punch

1:52:16out at end of warranty um after the end

1:52:18of warranty stuff, you know, like the

1:52:20usually have a retainage at the end of

1:52:21the project, you know, and after all

1:52:23that stuff is what we pay the contractor

1:52:26final payment. So if there are funds

1:52:27remaining then if it it'll go to fund

1:52:30balance what remains.

1:52:34>> Worth did you have something else to

1:52:35add?

1:52:36>> So to general rule of thumb as you

1:52:38explain to me is if any money that's tip

1:52:41funded to a project and it's left over

1:52:43it does go back to tip after all said

1:52:45and done all the contractors paid

1:52:47contingencies punch items.

1:52:49>> Correct.

1:52:49>> That's the rule of thumb. So there's

1:52:51expected to be another sum of money once

1:52:53the Salem

1:52:55left after all the dust is cleared and

1:52:57that will go back to the tip

1:52:59>> if if there's funds available because

1:53:01like we we got we still got to make

1:53:03punch out payments and we still got to

1:53:04make end of warranty payments or

1:53:05retainage payments, right? So that's

1:53:09usually a year, two years down the road.

1:53:12And if we make those payments and

1:53:14there's funds remaining, [snorts] that's

1:53:15when the money tends to fall back to the

1:53:17balances that they come from.

1:53:20Okay.

1:53:21>> So, is every

1:53:23by the way, there's no speakers on

1:53:25anything tonight except for open mic

1:53:27night.

1:53:28>> I'm sorry. We have one speaker that

1:53:29signed up on,

1:53:37>> but we only have one so far. So, that's

1:53:41>> I don't know I don't know if everybody

1:53:43got a chance to read the email that was

1:53:45sent to us while we're here. the speaker

1:53:49to me sounds like he's not speaking

1:53:51about something directly related to this

1:53:54and I'm getting the feeling that it

1:53:57could be [clears throat] very

1:53:57disrespectful

1:54:01what he's coming to speak about and I

1:54:05>> I would just think we'd keep it on

1:54:06>> keeping the topic

1:54:09without question and uh yeah let me put

1:54:14it this way uh Mark and I over my term

1:54:17as mayor have a [clears throat] number

1:54:19of fault uh you know contact you know

1:54:23talks about disrespectful speakers and

1:54:27comes down to a first amendment but once

1:54:29again

1:54:31let's keep it tight uh window and uh

1:54:36you know yeah

1:54:38>> reading the email that he sent sounds

1:54:40like it has nothing to do with

1:54:42>> well I'll tell you what you know

1:54:43>> keep him on topic

1:54:44>> we'll keep him on topic yeah Okay, going

1:54:47to planning number one, David

1:54:53trust and that is in district two.

1:54:57[snorts]

1:55:00Um,

1:55:04it's not a

1:55:08means of of subdividing that we really u

1:55:11like, but it seems to be about the only

1:55:13thing that will work for this particular

1:55:15property. And I think those recommending

1:55:18bodies have all approved it. So I will

1:55:21[snorts]

1:55:22say it's okay. Number two, Daniel Ruby,

1:55:26District One.

1:55:29>> We're good.

1:55:30>> Number three,

1:55:33sector site tower assets. And that's in

1:55:36district 10.

1:55:37>> They want to defer to the third, but

1:55:39we're not meeting on the third, right?

1:55:40>> So we need to do it on the 10th. And I'm

1:55:42sorry, I let that get by on the agenda.

1:55:45>> Okay. Um, so it it should have been the

1:55:4710th. We've already communicated that

1:55:49back with the applicant as well.

1:55:50>> So, November 10th.

1:55:52>> November 10th. Yes. The third is

1:55:53election day. So, holiday.

1:55:57>> Okay. Number four, Genesis

1:55:58[clears throat]

1:55:59Holdings, District 2.

1:56:05>> Number five, Southside

1:56:08Barbell LLC, District 4.

1:56:11Number [clears throat]

1:56:13six, uh, 446 Oceanana Boulevard. That's

1:56:17district six.

1:56:19>> Consent agenda, please.

1:56:21>> And that's the gentleman's club.

1:56:23>> Yes. M.

1:56:28>> Number seven is Birwood Mall Associates,

1:56:30and that's in district 8.

1:56:32>> Consent.

1:56:35>> Okay. At this point, the chair will

1:56:37entertain a motion to recess into a

1:56:39close session pursuant to section to the

1:56:42exemption promotion meeting allowed by

1:56:45section 2.23711A

1:56:49uh code of Virginia is amended for the

1:56:50following purposes. Publicly held

1:56:53property discussion or consideration of

1:56:55the acquisition of real property for

1:56:59public purpose for of disposition of

1:57:02publicly held property where discussion

1:57:05An open meeting would adversely affect a

1:57:08bargaining position or negotiating

1:57:10strategy of the public body pursuant to

1:57:14section 2.2 to 3711 A3

1:57:18acquisition district 2. Acquisition

1:57:21district 5 disposition district 6

1:57:25acquisition district 6 acquisition

1:57:28district 6 and disposition district 6.

1:57:32District 6 has it today. All right.

1:57:34Good. Uh personnel matters uh

1:57:37discussions, consideration or interviews

1:57:39of prospective candidates for

1:57:42employment, assignment, appointment,

1:57:44promotion, performance, demotion,

1:57:47salary, disciplining or resignation of

1:57:50specific uh public um officers,

1:57:54appointees or uh employees of public

1:57:57body pursuant to section 2.23711A1.

1:58:01Council appointments, boards,

1:58:03commissions, committees, authorities,

1:58:05agencies, and a foreign. And also a

1:58:08review of council appointees.

1:58:13>> Have a motion.

1:58:14>> So moved.

1:58:16>> Council member council.

1:58:20>> Hi.

1:58:21>> Councelor Hutcherson.

1:58:22>> Hi.

1:58:23>> Jackson.

1:58:24>> Hi.

1:58:24>> Council.

1:58:25>> Hi.

1:58:26>> Hi.

1:58:27>> Council. Hi.

1:58:28>> Councilman.

1:58:29>> Hi.

1:58:30>> Wilson.

1:58:30>> Hi.

1:58:31I

1:58:33>> Okay, we are recessed into closed

1:58:45[music] meeting to order. And if we can

1:58:47pre uh pre please stand up if you're

1:58:49willing and able for the invocation.

1:58:56Heavenly Father, you are [snorts] always

1:58:58with us and beside us.

1:59:01Be with us this evening as we consider

1:59:04the affairs of our great city. Give us

1:59:06the patience to listen, the wisdom to

1:59:09decide, and the strength to act. Amen.

1:59:14And I will now ask for a moment of

1:59:16silence for all those who have paid the

1:59:19ultimate price to keep our city and our

1:59:21nation great and safe. And also

1:59:25especially tonight as we acknowledge the

1:59:28loss of a dear friend and colleague Mark

1:59:31Styles

1:59:33who brought so much grace to this great

1:59:36city. Moment of silence, please.

1:59:48Pledge allegiance.

1:59:51I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

1:59:54United States of America and to the

1:59:56republic for which it stands, one nation

2:00:00under God, indivisible, with liberty and

2:00:03justice for all.

2:00:05>> Okay. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Do we have

2:00:07a roll call?

2:00:08>> Yes, your honor. All presents and

2:00:10council member Beluchcci.

2:00:12>> Okay. Do I have a motion for the

2:00:14certification of the close session?

2:00:17>> So second.

2:00:18>> Okay. Let's open the vote.

2:00:20>> One second, please.

2:00:24>> The vote is open.

2:00:28>> Can you scroll down to make sure there

2:00:31by vote of I'll go ahead and let you

2:00:33close it.

2:00:35By vote of 10 to zero, you have

2:00:37certified the close session and be in

2:00:38accordance with a motion to recess.

2:00:41>> Okay. Do we have a a motion to approve

2:00:43the minutes of the informal and formal

2:00:46sessions of September 15, 2026 and the

2:00:50special formal session of September

2:00:5322nd, 2026?

2:00:55>> So moved.

2:00:57>> Okay.

2:00:59Yes. Just one second.

2:01:21The vote is open.

2:01:25Go ahead and close it.

2:01:29Five of 10 to zero. Approve the minutes

2:01:31as submitted.

2:01:32>> Okay. Thank you. Now, this is a time

2:01:34that the council enjoys where we get to

2:01:36honor those who deserve to be honored.

2:01:40And uh today we're doing a resolution

2:01:42for breast care cancer awareness month

2:01:46and Lisa Strader, Virginia Beach

2:01:49resident, breast cancer survivor and

2:01:51co-chair of the walk. Will you come

2:01:53forward? And we're going to have council

2:01:57member Josh Schulman have the honor of

2:02:00reading this uh uh resolution. Thank

2:02:04you, Mayor, and thank you everyone who's

2:02:06come here tonight and supported breast

2:02:09cancer awareness. Breast cancer has

2:02:11touched far too many families in

2:02:13Virginia Beach, and tonight we honor

2:02:16those we've lost. Uh we celebrate the

2:02:19survivors and uh stand behind beside

2:02:21those who are still fighting. Um, I'm

2:02:24proud our city stands together in

2:02:27support of awareness, early detection,

2:02:29treatment, and hope. And it gives me

2:02:31great pride to read this resolution.

2:02:34Whereas breast cancer awareness month is

2:02:36an international health campaign held

2:02:38every October that aims to promote

2:02:41screening and reduce the risk of the

2:02:43disease which affects 2.4 million women

2:02:46worldwide. And whereas breast cancer is

2:02:48the second leading cause of cancer death

2:02:50in women after lung cancer, the chance

2:02:53that any woman will die from breast

2:02:54cancer is about 1 in 43. And whereas the

2:02:58American Cancer Society helps people

2:03:00with breast cancer in our community,

2:03:02working tirelessly to find new drugs and

2:03:04treatments as well as new ways to use

2:03:07existing treatments. Research programs

2:03:10have advanced prevention, screening, and

2:03:12treatment that save lives. And whereas

2:03:15according to the American Cancer

2:03:16Society, breast cancer death rates have

2:03:19been decreasing steadily since 1989 for

2:03:22an overall decline of 44% through 2023.

2:03:26This is most likely the results of

2:03:29finding breast cancer earlier through

2:03:30screening and increased awareness as

2:03:33well as better treatments. And whereas

2:03:35continue font continued funding for

2:03:37research is essential to help save even

2:03:40more lives in the future. In 2026, an

2:03:43estimated 321,910

2:03:46women in the United States will be

2:03:48diagnosed with invasive breast cancer

2:03:50and an estimated 42,140

2:03:54women will die from the disease. And

2:03:57whereas approximately one in eight women

2:03:59in the United States will be diagnosed

2:04:01with breast cancer during her lifetime.

2:04:04Whereas October 20th is National

2:04:06Mamography Day, we encourage everyone to

2:04:09urge those they love to schedule their

2:04:11routine mammogram. Now therefore, be it

2:04:13resolved that the city of Virginia Beach

2:04:16and the American Cancer Society advocate

2:04:18to end cancer as we know it for

2:04:20everyone. And be it further resolved

2:04:23that the city of Virginia Beach does

2:04:24hereby recognize the month of October as

2:04:27breast cancer awareness month and

2:04:29encourages all citizens and health care

2:04:32providers to increase awareness and

2:04:35follow the steps in advance for

2:04:36prevention given by the council of the

2:04:39city of Virginia Beach, Virginia the 6th

2:04:41day of October 2026 and present this

2:04:44resolution duly signed by each member of

2:04:47the Virginia Beach City Council. Thank

2:04:49you for your work in our community.

2:04:50>> THANK YOU.

2:04:57AND WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT, I just I

2:05:00want to make a comment that uh I'm a I

2:05:03too am a breast cancer survivor. And one

2:05:07in eight women will get breast cancer.

2:05:10And the key is early detection. So

2:05:14ladies, please make sure you get out and

2:05:16get your your mamograms because it could

2:05:20mean the difference whether you live or

2:05:21die. And thank you for being here and to

2:05:23my friend Donna Renick and for American

2:05:25Cancer Society and Susan Kman and all

2:05:27the different organizations that support

2:05:29breast cancer.

2:05:30>> Thank you.

2:05:40>> Forget it. [laughter]

2:05:50We're coming down. Mayor Mayor,

2:05:58>> sit back.

2:06:29Appreciate you so much.

2:06:41All right.

2:07:07Okay. Welcome and and welcome all. Thank

2:07:10you for coming

2:07:12[clears throat]

2:07:12>> on behalf of breast cancer survivors,

2:07:15their caregivers, our future survivors,

2:07:17and the American Cancer Society. Thank

2:07:20you for this meaningful recognition. As

2:07:22a Virginia Beach local all my life and a

2:07:26Virginia Beach public school teacher for

2:07:2829 years and a 12-year breast cancer

2:07:30survivor, is especially meaningful for

2:07:33me to stand here before you tonight in

2:07:35the community I sincerely call home.

2:07:38Breast cancer awareness month began more

2:07:40than 40 years ago

2:07:43with a simple but important goal.

2:07:46to educate women

2:07:50about screening and the importance of

2:07:52early detection.

2:07:54Since then, the pink ribbon has become

2:07:58an international symbol of awareness and

2:08:00hope.

2:08:02Tonight, through this recognition, you

2:08:04have called attention to the importance

2:08:05of early detection, regular mammograms,

2:08:08research, and the importance of health

2:08:10care. From routine screenings and

2:08:12preventative care to treatment and

2:08:14followup, having access to quality

2:08:17health care we need is an important part

2:08:19of being part important part of keeping

2:08:21individuals, families, and ultimately

2:08:23our entire community healthy and

2:08:25thriving. We are truly grateful for this

2:08:27recognition and for your support of

2:08:29breast cancer awareness month. It's the

2:08:31American Cancer Society's hope that by

2:08:33turning awareness into action, hope into

2:08:36support, and compassion into a cure,

2:08:39more lives will be saved. And we hope

2:08:42that you will join us on October 24th at

2:08:4411:00 a.m. at Neptune's Park for the

2:08:46Making Strides Against Breast Cancer

2:08:48Walk. Thank you.

2:08:50>> Thank you. And thank you. It's

2:08:52volunteers like you that are carrying

2:08:55the message to so many people. And it's

2:08:58large part the reason why cancer

2:09:01statistics are on the downturn. But once

2:09:03again, we're not there yet and we're

2:09:05going to have to still be diligent and

2:09:07thank you for everything you do. God

2:09:09bless you.

2:09:12Okay. Uh we have another non uh item on

2:09:15the uh mayor's presentation uh and

2:09:19acclamation. We have a birthday up here.

2:09:22I understand.

2:09:24Oh yeah. Homson.

2:09:27It's an anniversary of your birthday,

2:09:29Hutch.

2:09:30>> Yeah, we won't we we can't have a a cake

2:09:33with candles. We would need a fire

2:09:35marshal.

2:09:37Uh but once again, we want to wish you

2:09:39all a happy birthday and thank you for

2:09:42so much for being a valuable part of our

2:09:44team.

2:09:44>> Thank you, sir.

2:09:45>> Thank you.

2:09:47[applause]

2:09:50>> Okay. Uh now we the public hearings. The

2:09:53first one, the acquisition of

2:09:55agricultural land preservation ARP

2:09:57easement installment purchase agreement

2:10:00for 81.6 acres at uh 3993 and 3995 Muddy

2:10:06Creek Road.

2:10:08>> I'm sorry, there are no speakers, sir.

2:10:09>> Okay. And then um number two, partial

2:10:13easement vacation approximately 5 feet

2:10:16of existing 25- ft pedestrian access

2:10:20easement along the western boundary of

2:10:234576

2:10:25Monty Road.

2:10:26>> There are no speakers, sir.

2:10:28>> Okay.

2:10:29And now I'll I'll go on with the script

2:10:32for speakers. I want to remind everyone

2:10:34that the city council speaker policy

2:10:36that allows certain representatives of

2:10:39groups to speak for 10 minutes applies

2:10:41only to planning items. All other

2:10:44speakers, whether speaking individually

2:10:46or on behalf of a group, will have up to

2:10:49three minutes to speak on a single item.

2:10:52Speakers are reminded that comments

2:10:54during the formal portion of the meeting

2:10:57must be limited to the subject of the

2:10:59item called that is being considered by

2:11:02the council at the time you are called.

2:11:04For items placed on the consent agenda,

2:11:07a speaker will have up to three minutes

2:11:10to address any single item. If a speaker

2:11:14wishes to address multiple consent

2:11:16agenda items, the speaker will have a

2:11:19cumulative total of six minutes to

2:11:21address those items. Again, the speaker

2:11:24must limit his or her comments to the

2:11:27subject matter of the items that they

2:11:29have signed up to address. And finally,

2:11:33I call upon all speakers and all persons

2:11:36in the chamber to be civil in their

2:11:38discussion and the quorum. Whatever

2:11:41views you hold and wish to express, the

2:11:44city council wants to hear from you. In

2:11:47order to ensure that all viewpoints and

2:11:50all persons are respected, clapping,

2:11:53cheering, booing, speaking loudly, or

2:11:56making other disruptive sounds while a

2:11:58speaker has the floor is not permitted.

2:12:02All speakers have the equal right to be

2:12:05heard. Any member of the audience who

2:12:07interferes with a recognized speaker's

2:12:09time will be warned and if the

2:12:12disruptive behavior continues will be

2:12:15required to leave the chamber.

2:12:17Additionally, threats and intimidation

2:12:20of others is prohibited at all times. Uh

2:12:24do we have any uh consent item speakers?

2:12:26>> Yes, one Craig Henson is speaking on K4.

2:12:38Good evening.

2:12:40>> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, city

2:12:42council, city manager, city clerk. Thank

2:12:45you for all your work. I would like to

2:12:46request the title 2 ADA reasonable

2:12:48accommodation to speak if I may.

2:12:51>> Great.

2:12:51>> It's already been given to you.

2:12:53>> Thank you again, city clerk. I'm here

2:12:55tonight in strong objection to the

2:12:57appointment of current uh city attorney.

2:13:02Can you hear me? Okay. there.

2:13:04>> City Attorney Dana Harmire to be

2:13:07appointed as temporary city attorney. I

2:13:10say this strongly.

2:13:12Many of you might recognize I sent an

2:13:14email to entire city council earlier. I

2:13:17understand you may not understand why.

2:13:20It's about section of our city charter

2:13:229.04.

2:13:24Chapter 9 is the department of law. And

2:13:28there was an incident that happened four

2:13:30years ago at the old city hall that many

2:13:33of you weren't on city council then

2:13:36which is why I wanted to bring it up.

2:13:39Um back then

2:13:42Mr. Harmire was speaking to council in

2:13:46informal meeting. I do believe it was

2:13:49regarding council had questions about

2:13:51notices to the city which 9.04 04

2:13:55covers.

2:13:57At that point though,

2:14:00he only read what I call the first

2:14:02paragraph in the email.

2:14:06Like my paper here, I highlighted the

2:14:08bottom part. And the reason to that is

2:14:13is it pertains to people like me, people

2:14:16with disabilities, people with severe

2:14:18injuries.

2:14:21It was a few weeks later after that

2:14:24exchange between he and council that I

2:14:28came to speak at council and ran into

2:14:30Mr. Harmire out in the lobby and I did

2:14:33address him. He he I would ask him to be

2:14:35a standup guy

2:14:37and acknowledge that because I did

2:14:41personally raise the same concern that

2:14:43I'm doing now to him then that

2:14:48you all as city councilors are

2:14:50representatives

2:14:52as my representative Mr. Remick has

2:14:54explained to me before depends upon the

2:14:57city attorney, depends on different

2:14:59staff for different to make different

2:15:02decisions.

2:15:03And so I feel that when parts of this

2:15:08our city charter or even law were not

2:15:11read in full to you all, it left your

2:15:16ability to make informed decisions

2:15:20not there, which then could affect us or

2:15:23everybody. And so

2:15:28that's that should exist. Um,

2:15:33I also want to

2:15:35uh state that

2:15:38I I want to give my condolences for the

2:15:40for the city losing the prior city

2:15:43attorney, Mr. Styles. I had an

2:15:44opportunity to meet him one time and he

2:15:47was um he was a a kind person and and

2:15:51very informed in the law. Um, a city

2:15:54attorney is very important. They provide

2:15:56legal counsel and advice.

2:15:59They draft legisla legislation and

2:16:01contracts, litigation management,

2:16:05emergency operations, [snorts] and I'm

2:16:06sure there's probably more that that I'm

2:16:09not explaining.

2:16:11Um,

2:16:13and so now that I've said all this and

2:16:15you're aware of all this,

2:16:18like I've said, I've asked Mr. Harmire

2:16:20now to be a standup guy. And with that,

2:16:23I would fully support him

2:16:26in the appointment if as I asked him

2:16:30four years ago when he reads law to city

2:16:33council that he will fully inform them

2:16:36because you do an important job in that

2:16:38seat for this city, not just for them,

2:16:40but for the people of the city

2:16:43and and so that's um

2:16:46that's where I stand. If Mr. Harmire at

2:16:48some point would be open to reading this

2:16:50full 9.04 04 at some point to council

2:16:54and explain it to them so they have an

2:16:55understanding

2:16:58then I will fully support the

2:16:59appointment but I just want you to be

2:17:02aware of the background.

2:17:04Thank you.

2:17:05>> Okay. Thank you

2:17:07>> mayor. That's all the speakers for

2:17:09consent agenda.

2:17:12>> Okay. This one if we could do the

2:17:14consent agenda.

2:17:15>> Thank you Mr. Mayor. Under ordinances

2:17:16and resolutions. Number one is the

2:17:18ordinance to authorize a temporary

2:17:21encroachment to a portion of city-owned

2:17:24property known as the Lake Gaston

2:17:27pipeline adjacent to uh zero Clint Road

2:17:35uh remaintain an existing 30 foot wide

2:17:39gravel drive. Number two is a resolution

2:17:42to withdraw the resolution referring to

2:17:46the planning commission the proposed

2:17:48amendment to the city zoning ordinance

2:17:53to amend the official zoning map to

2:17:57reduce the oceanfront resort short-term

2:17:59rental overlay district. Number three is

2:18:02the ordinance to extend the

2:18:05[clears throat]

2:18:06date for satisfying the condition for

2:18:09the matter of commercial the

2:18:12Commonwealth Brewing Company LLC a

2:18:15closure of a portion of Lake Drive

2:18:17adjacent to 244 Pleasure House Road.

2:18:21Number four is the ordinance to appoint

2:18:23Dana R. Harmire as acting city attorney.

2:18:30Number five is the ordinance to

2:18:33appropriate $655,931

2:18:36from the fund balance of the technology

2:18:40trust fund to the FY202627

2:18:45clerk of the circuit court uh operating

2:18:48budget room support for technology needs

2:18:52and upgrades. Number six is the

2:18:55ordinance to appropriate $29,532

2:18:59from the balance of the Shilling Point

2:19:02Special Services District Special

2:19:04Revenue Fund to Capital Project

2:19:081643

2:19:09Shilling Point Neighborhood Dredging.

2:19:12Number two, with the FY202627

2:19:16uh capital improvement program. Number

2:19:19seven is the ordinance to accept and

2:19:21appropriate

2:19:23$177,13644

2:19:28from the Virginia Early Childhood

2:19:31Foundation and Old Dominion University

2:19:34Research Foundation to the FY202627

2:19:38Parks and Recreation operating budget

2:19:40raise support progress u focused on

2:19:44expanding access

2:19:46to [snorts]

2:19:48[clears throat] preschool services.

2:19:50Number eight is the ordinance to accept

2:19:53and appropriate $60,76

2:19:57from the Virginia Department of Motor

2:20:00Vehicles to the FY202627

2:20:03Police Department operating budget

2:20:05[clears throat] and authorize

2:20:07uh 50% in match

2:20:10uh for overtime and equipment expenses

2:20:13related to enhanced uh speed

2:20:16enforcement. Number nine is the

2:20:18ordinance to accept and appropriate

2:20:20$27,750

2:20:22from the Virginia Department of Motor

2:20:25Vehicles to the FY202627

2:20:28Police Department operating budget and

2:20:30authorize 50% in kind match rate

2:20:34overtime training and equipment expenses

2:20:39related to DUI enforcement. Number 10 is

2:20:44ordinance to transfer $260,000

2:20:47from the capital project 100489, the

2:20:51Winston Salem Avenue improvements and

2:20:55$200,000 from the capital project

2:20:581576 Virginia Beach Innovation Park

2:21:02infrastructure 2 to capital improvement

2:21:05project $1459,

2:21:08the Vibe District Street Infrastructure

2:21:11structure improvements ray closure

2:21:13capital project 1004 46 459 excuse me

2:21:18>> I open the planning hearing

2:21:21>> number one is the David B

2:21:23[clears throat] Turtton revocable trust

2:21:26for a variance to section 4.4 4 B

2:21:33uh and D of the subdivision regulations

2:21:38to lot with street the frontage and

2:21:42street success access to the public

2:21:45street and a condition of change of

2:21:48zoning from

2:21:50a one and a two agric agricultural

2:21:55districts to conditional R15

2:21:59uh residential district redevelopment,

2:22:01three single uh family residential lots

2:22:04at 2512 Seabard Road and that is in

2:22:07district two. Number two is the Daniel

2:22:10Ruby

2:22:11um Timmans Group and

2:22:16Catholic Dasis of Richmond for a

2:22:19modification of conditions to a

2:22:22conditional use permit. um construct a

2:22:2620 20,000 square foot fieldhouse at

2:22:304552 Princess Anand Road and that is in

2:22:33district 1.

2:22:37Uh number three, and this is in district

2:22:3910, it's going to be deferred until

2:22:42November 10th. Um Sector Sight Tower

2:22:46Assets LLC.

2:22:48Sector site Tower Assets LLC.

2:22:52uh Great Eastern Resort

2:22:56uh Corporation and Vicinity Holdings for

2:23:01a conditional use permit

2:23:03at zoning from a 02 office district to

2:23:07conditional B2 community business

2:23:10district and conditional use permit Ray

2:23:14mini warehouse

2:23:16facility [clears throat]

2:23:17and a conditional use permit Ray bulk

2:23:20storage yard at 3386 and 3396 Holland

2:23:26Road.

2:23:29Um, number four is Genesis Holding of

2:23:34Hampton Roads LLC,

2:23:37uh,

2:23:40Stling Farm for a conditional use

2:23:42permit, Ray Bulk Storage Yard at Parcel

2:23:46South and Damn Neck Road directly uh,

2:23:49northeast at 3024 Holland Road and that

2:23:53is in district two.

2:23:57Number five is Southside Barbell LLC.

2:24:01BAPA BAPA properties uh LLC series 5512

2:24:07Virginia Beach Boulevard for a

2:24:09conditional use permit. Ray indoor

2:24:12recreation facility at 5512 Virginia

2:24:16Beach Boulevard and that is in district

2:24:194. Number six is 446 Oceanana Boulevard

2:24:24LLC for conditional use permit bringing

2:24:27the bar and nightclub at 446 Oceanana

2:24:31Boulevard and that is in district 6.

2:24:33Number seven is Birchwood Mall

2:24:36Associates LLP

2:24:39for a conditional use permit uh indoor

2:24:42recreational facility at 3754

2:24:46Virginia Beach Boulevard and that is in

2:24:48district 8.

2:24:51And that's move for approval.

2:24:54>> Second.

2:24:54>> Second.

2:24:56>> Okay. Any discussion on this?

2:24:58>> Oh, was it plain that item three was

2:25:01deferred to November 10th?

2:25:06>> Yes.

2:25:07>> Yeah.

2:25:08>> What was the question?

2:25:09>> Go ahead. Open the vote.

2:25:10>> It's being deferred to November 10th.

2:25:13>> Yeah.

2:25:13>> Yes, that is correct.

2:25:14>> The vote is open.

2:25:20>> [snorts]

2:25:23>> Council member Ross Hammond, may I have

2:25:24your vote?

2:25:25>> Okay. Do we have any appointments?

2:25:27>> I'm sorry. Wait just one second. I still

2:25:28need Council Member Ross Hammond's vote.

2:25:31If you just give it to me verbally, I

2:25:32can.

2:25:33>> And Josh.

2:25:34>> Yes.

2:25:34>> Oh, and Josh.

2:25:35>> Hi.

2:25:36>> Thank you. Go ahead. Thank you. Go ahead

2:25:38and close the vote.

2:25:40>> Five of 10 to zero. You've approved the

2:25:42consent agenda as read by Vice Mayor

2:25:44Wilson.

2:25:44>> Okay. Thank you.

2:25:46>> Hey.

2:25:46>> Okay. now appointment beaches and

2:25:48waterways. Ryan Davidson uh to represent

2:25:51at large, the clean community commission

2:25:53to reappoint Alexis Williams, Cog Review

2:25:56and Outreal Calivation Review uh to

2:25:59reappoint Tiffany Margello and she is to

2:26:02represent the library board. Uh the

2:26:05Minority Business Council to reappoint

2:26:07Cynthia Terry. Uh the Resort Advisory

2:26:10Commission to reappoint Billy Almond uh

2:26:14to represent professionals. Uh Virginia

2:26:17Beach Community Development Corporation

2:26:19to appoint Mary Carter, I mean, excuse

2:26:22me, Mark Carter. Uh the Virginia Beach

2:26:25Towing Advisory Board to appoint

2:26:29Jonathan Sawyers. Move for approval.

2:26:34>> Second.

2:26:35>> Okay.

2:26:46One second.

2:27:08I'm sorry. We're just having a moment

2:27:11here. Go ahead and open it.

2:27:14>> The vote is open.

2:27:18Um, Council Member Ross Hammond and

2:27:20Schulman, may I have your votes?

2:27:22>> I I

2:27:23>> Thank you.

2:27:26by a [snorts] vote of 10 to zero.

2:27:29>> You have appointed those as read by Vice

2:27:31Mayor Wilson.

2:27:31>> Okay. Thank you. [clears throat] Okay.

2:27:33Any unfinished business? Any new

2:27:36business? Okay, we're going to turn into

2:27:39open mic. Thank you all very much for

2:27:41coming.