2026-09-15 - City Council

00:22names.

00:29I don't know. They actually gave us

00:31>> Well, at the beginning

00:35they had

00:38Star Wars.

00:44>> A member of Williams.

00:59It is now 5:00 pm.

01:03I call the city council meeting to

01:05order.

01:06Let the record show that all council

01:08members are present. The invocation will

01:12be given by chaplain Dave Ramseen of

01:15Abbott Health

01:17of Central Texas and the pledge of

01:19allegiance by Mayor Pro Tim Gonzalez.

01:30Good evening, God. As we come to

01:33together tonight to talk about business,

01:36we just pray that you will direct our

01:37thoughts, our words, and our actions to

01:40bring glory and honor to you. We thank

01:42you for this opportunity to serve in

01:45this city, in this country, and in this

01:48world. But we need your guidance. We

01:51need your love. Thank you for offering

01:53them to us in Jesus name. Amen.

01:58>> I pledge algiance to the flag of the

02:01United States of America and to the

02:04republic for which it stands. One nation

02:07under God, indivisible with liberty and

02:11justice for all.

02:17>> Thank you, Chaplain Dave.

02:21And thank you, Mayor Prom.

02:24Council, I need a motion to approve the

02:26agenda.

02:30Council member Brown.

02:34>> Move to approve the agenda.

02:36>> Motion was made by Council Member Brown.

02:38A second by uh Council Member Kendricks.

02:42>> I second the motion.

02:46Is there any discussion?

02:48All in favor? signify by yes. All

02:52oppose. No.

03:12Have all voted.

03:18Motion passed 7 to zero.

03:23>> Thank you councel.

03:26Madame secretary. Presentations.

03:31Presentations. Item number one PR-26-019

03:37Collehen Star Award.

03:50If we could have Miss Carolyn Brown come

03:53up and Mr. Cedric Moss.

03:57>> Yes.

04:01[applause]

04:03>> We want to say um first of all before we

04:06begin.

04:07>> Okay.

04:07>> Let me just say this. Um thank you

04:09Council Member Bass. Uh this is a time

04:12that we just take the time out in the

04:14month every council member gets an

04:16opportunity to recognize a a resident

04:22and for their excellent work in the

04:24community and um this month it is

04:27council member Bass and I'm going to let

04:30him introduce her again and read what

04:34you want to read sir.

04:36Mr. Cedric Moss uh contacted me a few

04:40weeks ago and said uh the star award is

04:43coming up and uh he would like to

04:46nominate Miss Carolyn Brown and I was

04:49honored to pass that on up the chain of

04:51command and Cedric if you would like to

04:54read your nomination. This is really

04:56great.

04:58>> I'm glad he printed it out because I

05:00read it off my phone.

05:03>> All right. Uh

05:06uh to whom it may concern, it is my

05:08honor to nominate Miss Carolyn Brown for

05:10the city of Colleen Star Award. Known

05:12throughout the area as Colleen's

05:15godmother, Miss Carolyn Brown is the

05:17true heart and soul of our community. as

05:19a founder and director of the e center

05:22in Colleen. She has spent decades, I

05:25know it may not look like it, [laughter]

05:28decades helping families in need,

05:31guiding youth, local youth, and stepping

05:34in whenever help is needed. Her nickname

05:36isn't just a title. It reflects the real

05:39maternal care she gives to thousands of

05:42local residents or she has given to

05:44thousands of local residents for over 30

05:46years in this community. Under her

05:48leadership, the eCenter provides hot

05:50meals, clothing, job preparation, and

05:52much more. Uh, as we to anyone who walks

05:56through the door when crisis strikes,

05:58Miss Brown is consistently one of the

06:00first people on the front lines during

06:02severe weather storms. She that shut

06:05down shut down our power grids. She

06:08transformed the e center into emergency

06:10warming hub for within hours without

06:13waiting for outside help. She organized

06:15hot meals, gathered heavy blankets, and

06:17personally delivered essential supplies

06:19to homebound seniors and families

06:22without cars. Her fast action during

06:25local disasters, severe weather events,

06:28and economic turn downturns have

06:30repeatedly helped citizens throughout

06:33our city. Miss Carolyn Brown with uh is

06:36also a fierce advocate for Colleen's

06:38homeless community and young people. She

06:41regularly leads street outreach events

06:44that provide hot food, warm clo

06:48hygiene kits directly to those in need

06:51for local youth. She organizes massive

06:54back to school rallies that supply

06:55hundreds of children with free

06:57backpacks, school supplies, haircuts,

06:59and other essentials. During the

07:01holidays, her annual give back

07:04distribute

07:06uh Thanksgiving turkey dinners and

07:08ensure their children and families have

07:09a safe space uh throughout the holidays.

07:12I promise I'm coming to the end. Carolyn

07:14Brown represents the absolute best of

07:17Colleen and gives and giving her this

07:20award celebrates a lifetime of selfless

07:22work from the woman who truly who is

07:25truly Colleen's godmother.

07:28Thank you, LYN. [cheering]

07:35IT IS AN HONOR FOR ME TO present this to

07:37you. Thank you for all you do for our

07:39city and I enjoyed the two events I've

07:41been out there.

07:42>> Thank you so much. Thank you. You

07:44>> like to say a word? [applause]

08:03>> [clears throat]

08:11[applause]

08:13>> cuz I had to write it down too.

08:17Okay.

08:19Oh, thank you for bringing it down. I

08:20felt really short up here.

08:23Okay. Thank you to the city of Colleen,

08:27our mayor, and our city council for the

08:29incredible honor. Okay, it'll help if I

08:32put my glasses on that I got in my hand.

08:36I proudly accept this star award on

08:38behalf of everyone who has supported me,

08:41Obsessions by Carolyn, Silveristic

08:43Enterprises, ECenter Colleen, and E

08:47Community Colleen over the last 30 plus

08:50years of serving our community. My

08:53mission, passion, and purpose

08:55[clears throat] has always been to bring

08:57our community together through purpose,

09:00passion, and service. I would like to

09:02give a special thank you to my children,

09:05Alexa and Terrence. Thank you for your

09:08love and support and for always standing

09:11beside me. I share this special honor

09:15with both of you.

09:17I am also grateful for every volunteer

09:19partner, organization, friend, and

09:22community me member who helps make our

09:25mission possible. I love Collehen and

09:28I'm truly honored to serve this

09:30community. Thank you.

09:33[applause]

09:38God bless you. Thank you.

09:40>> Thank you so much.

10:02again. Thank you, Miss Brown. Welld

10:03deserved.

10:06Okay, now we will go into our work

10:08session. Discuss agenda items 9 through

10:1215 for the September 15th, 2026 regular

10:17session. No final action will be taken

10:20until the regular session.

10:25>> Madam Secretary, the first resolution,

10:27please.

10:28>> Resolutions. Item number 9 RS-26-142.

10:33Consider a memorandum resolution

10:35authorizing a five-year sponsorship

10:37agreement with Rodeo Kellen for the

10:40Kellen Rodeo in the amount of $250,000.

10:44>> Good evening, Miss McNair.

10:45>> Good evening. How are you?

10:47>> Fine, ma'am.

10:48>> Good.

10:50So, Colleen Rodeo, organized by Colleen

10:53Volunteers, Inc. through its Colleen or

10:55Rodeo Colleen committee, is one of the

10:57city's longest standing annual events

10:59and has become a signature tourism

11:00attraction for the community. The event

11:02draws from across central Texas and

11:04surrounding regions, generating economic

11:07activity for local hotels, restaurants,

11:09and businesses.

11:11The purpose of the sponsorship is to

11:13establish a long-term partnership

11:15between the city of Colleen and KVI

11:17through its rodeo Colleen, continue

11:20supporting one of the city's premier

11:21tourism events, and key terms include

11:24the 5-year agreement effective October 1

11:27of this year through September 30th of

11:292031. The annual sponsorship amount is

11:33$50,000 for a total sponsorship of

11:35$250,000

11:37which will be funded through the hotel

11:39tax funds.

11:42So the last event that was held was just

11:45this past May and there were 17,000

11:47visits, 611 rodeo contestants from all

11:51over Texas and 20 states. Uh the

11:54estimated econ economic impact was $1.8

11:57million. Uh we had a lot of media

11:59visibility and approximately 6,000

12:02pounds of canned food was donated and

12:04two scholarships were awarded to local

12:06students.

12:08Staff recommends that city council

12:09authorize the city manager or his

12:11designate to execute the 5-year

12:12agreement with KVI for Rodeo Colleen in

12:16the amount of $250,000.

12:20>> Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Council member

12:22Nashk.

12:23>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. I

12:26think that this is a great honor. Uh

12:30Brett and Amanda and the uh rodeo

12:33committee have done an amazing job. Ever

12:37since I've been on council, 2017, I had

12:39the opportunity to serve on the rodeo

12:42committee, which I love and it gives a

12:45lot back to the community. Not only it

12:47introduced rodeo to some people that may

12:50have never been involved with it, but it

12:53also the community service. It honors

12:56our men and women in uniform and it

12:58brings in tours to our city to highlight

13:02uh the city of Colleen. So this is a

13:04great investment over five years the

13:07250,000 and thank you too.

13:11>> Thank you Mr. Mayor and counselor.

13:13>> Thank you council member. I do agree. Uh

13:16it's it's been great and in the times

13:18that I've been there it's been a great

13:21event uh enjoyable event. Uh, Council

13:24Member Bess,

13:26>> uh, I went to the, uh, rodeo this year

13:28on the second night. It was fantastic.

13:31Uh, the first night, as I recall, was,

13:34uh, focused on our soldiers out at Fort

13:37Hood. And, uh, I drove by there the

13:40first night and I saw all the military

13:43families walking up the street, all the

13:46kids real happy, all the kids wearing

13:48their cowboy hats. Uh, so I think that

13:51the the Rodeo Colleen uh is is not only

13:54a great thing for the city of Colleen,

13:57but it's very important for our soldiers

13:59and families out at Fort Hood. They

14:02really enjoy it. So, thank you to Rodeo

14:04Colleen uh for taking care of our

14:07soldiers and their families. Thank you.

14:10>> Thank you, ma'am.

14:13Madam Secretary,

14:17next item.

14:18Item 10, RS-26-143,

14:23consider a memorandum resolution

14:24appointing members to vacant, expired,

14:27and unexpired terms on various boards,

14:30commissions, and committees.

14:32>> Good afternoon, Miss McGel.

14:34>> Good evening, mayor and councel.

14:38The item before you tonight is the

14:39annual appointments of citizens to the

14:41boards, committees, and commit

14:42commissions. Uh the mayor and city

14:45council make annual appointments to

14:46various boards each year and throughout

14:48the year as vacancies occur.

14:50Uh the following tables show members

14:52with expired terms, expiring terms or

14:54resignations

14:55and if their term is um limited or if

14:59they're requesting reappoint as well.

15:02So we'll start with the animal advisory

15:04committee subcommittee is going to be um

15:06council members Bass and Brown. And we

15:09have one vacancy for a citizen

15:11representative.

15:16>> Okay.

15:20>> Okay. Council member Brown.

15:23>> I nominate Jamie Carol.

15:27>> To nominate James Carol.

15:29>> Jamie Jamie Carroll.

15:31>> Jamie Carroll.

15:33Okay. Uh, anyone else?

15:40Okay,

15:42>> that was just one.

15:43>> Correct.

15:44>> Okay. All right.

15:48>> Okay. And madam city attorney, do we

15:50need to vote on that each time or will

15:51we just vote all at the end together?

15:53>> No. So, this is the work session

15:55portion. So, if the names that you

15:57nominate now will then continue on into

16:00regular session, you can vote to approve

16:02those unless there are changes in which

16:03case you can have more discussion.

16:04>> This is just a nomination. Okay. Uh,

16:07next up will be arts commission.

16:10Um, and we have five vacancies. Three

16:13are going to be at large members. Um,

16:15one is going to be for music, radio, TV,

16:17tape, sound recording, and one is going

16:19to be for folk art, painting, and

16:21sculpture with various expiring terms.

16:24Um, both Ashley and Vantonio have

16:26requested reappointment as well.

16:31Okay.

16:34>> Council member Brown.

16:36I recommend reappointing the two that

16:40well I'm sorry uh reappointing Ashley

16:43um

16:44>> what we

16:46>> and we have um Monnique Brand who is in

16:51TV since Antonio Freley is termed.

16:56I apologize I lost my voice. Let me come

16:59a little bit closer to the microphone.

17:01[laughter]

17:03So, I would I would recommend keeping

17:06Ashley uh since she is not termed out

17:10and has requested reappoint.

17:12[snorts] But for the TV, music, and

17:15radio, I would nominate Monnique Brand

17:20since Antonio Freley is termed.

17:26>> Okay. Um, council member uh Neski.

17:30>> Yes, sir. The question is, thank you,

17:32Mr. Mayor and Council. Are those are the

17:34only two positions we can fulfill or is

17:37it more positions?

17:38>> No, ma'am. All five positions are

17:40eligible to be filled. The other three

17:42are going to be terms that have not

17:44expired yet.

17:45>> Okay.

17:45>> So, at this moment, we would still have

17:46two atlarge members and then a folk art,

17:49painting, and sculpture representative

17:51that we can fill.

17:52>> Okay. Thank you. With that being said, I

17:55would like to uh nominate um I think

17:59Tisha. Is that Tisha Dicks? No. Dix

18:04>> DX. Okay.

18:05>> Okay.

18:05>> And that's for us at large

18:07>> at large. Yes, ma'am. And if no any

18:09other position before I continue. Oh,

18:12okay. Mayor Pro Tim. Okay. Thank you. If

18:14there's anything left, I'll come back.

18:16>> Thank you.

18:16>> Thank you.

18:19>> Okay. Um, Council Member Brown,

18:25>> sir, I'm sure.

18:26>> Oh, I'm sorry. Um, Mayor Pro Tim,

18:29>> thank you. Um, we have one that did

18:31apply but is not listed here. It's just

18:33been confirmed, but I did want to

18:34nominate Jamie Salter for Arts

18:36Commission.

18:38>> Jamie Salter.

18:39>> And is that going to be an ATL large

18:40member or

18:41>> Yes, at large. Thank you.

18:49Okay, Council Member Kendricks.

18:52>> Uh, yes. I would like to um nominate um

18:55Kimberly Johnson

18:57>> and that'll be for the Folkart position.

19:00>> Is there still an ATL large position

19:03open?

19:04>> Uh, currently we have three

19:05recommendations and we have three

19:06vacancies

19:09for at large.

19:10>> And what was the other position you just

19:12said? um the folk art painting and

19:15sculpture.

19:17To my knowledge, I don't know that we

19:19had anybody that met that requirement

19:21that applied. Um but if you know

19:24something different, I'm certainly

19:25welcome to that.

19:26>> Uh no, I don't know nothing different on

19:28that one. So, I would like to just stay

19:30at that large.

19:33>> Okay. And what was the name?

19:35>> Kimberly Johnson.

19:43Okay. Um,

19:46Council Member Brown,

19:51I was just going to ask if we could

19:53reopen it for the Arts Commission so we

19:57can maybe get an application for someone

19:59that would fit that need.

20:00>> Uh, yes, ma'am. These are open year

20:02round. They actually don't close. Um, so

20:04we can monitor it and when we do have

20:05someone that meets that qualification,

20:07that's certainly something we could

20:08bring back to council.

20:09>> Thank you.

20:10>> Yes, ma'am.

20:12>> Okay. Um, am I saying council member

20:15Kendricks?

20:17>> Okay. Council member Nash King.

20:20>> Yes, sir. I just have a question for our

20:22city attorney. Have we ever been able to

20:25fill that position?

20:28>> Yes, it was recently filled. Um, so that

20:31person has uh has resigned from the

20:34commission and didn't reapply for

20:35reappoint. So it it has been filled.

20:39>> Yes.

20:39>> I have a question. Were there were there

20:41four recommendations for at large?

20:43>> Yes, ma'am.

20:44>> Okay. So I just want

20:45>> to come down to three.

20:46>> Yeah. So

20:47>> I was going to break uh since uh council

20:50member Kendrick had a person. I was

20:52going to uh ask the mayor could I take

20:53my name off the list uh for at large cuz

20:57we have four and we only need three. So,

21:00I'll remove my name.

21:01>> And that was Miss Tisha Dixs.

21:03>> Yes, ma'am.

21:04>> Yes, ma'am.

21:06>> Yes, Council Member Nashking.

21:07>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, ma'am.

21:13>> All right. Next up is the audit

21:14committee. Um, Mr. Rston is requesting

21:18reappoint and then we have one

21:20additional citizen representative

21:22position vacant.

21:27>> Okay. Council member uh Bess,

21:31>> I um

21:33move to reappoint uh Mr. Rston. He

21:36served on the audit committee and has

21:38the experience.

21:44>> Okay.

21:47You nominate it's not a move, but you're

21:49nominating him.

21:50>> Yes, sir.

21:51>> Okay. Okay. Uh Council Member Nashkin.

21:56>> Yes, sir. And I'd like to nominate um

21:58Fima Brown.

22:00I mean, I'm sorry, Philip Brown.

22:10>> There was only uh two positions open.

22:13>> Correct.

22:14>> Okay. Thank you.

22:16>> All right. If there's no other

22:17nominations, we'll move on.

22:19The Bell County Board of Health with a

22:21subcommittee of council members Williams

22:23and Bass. Um Mr. Sam Fiala has uh run as

22:28the representative for many terms um and

22:30is no longer requesting reappoint. The

22:33alternative has been Amy. Amy has stated

22:35she is willing to step up and be the

22:36representative. Um she is also the only

22:38applicant for this board.

22:42>> Okay. Council member Nash King.

22:45>> Oh no, sir. I'm not on that committee.

22:47>> Okay. Okay. Uh, council member Bess. Um,

22:52how do we pronounce Amy's last name?

22:58>> Oh,

22:58>> Msovski.

23:00>> Mers, I nominate Miss Amy to step up and

23:04we appreciate her doing that.

23:07>> And again, this does remain open year

23:08round. So, if another applicant um

23:10applies that is eligible for it, um we

23:13can bring that back at another time.

23:17Uh, council.

23:19>> All right. Next up is going to be the

23:20capital improvement advisory committee.

23:22We have one vacancy and they are

23:25supposed to be within the real estate

23:26development or building industry.

23:29>> Okay. Council member Williams,

23:37I'm sorry. Did you

23:39No. Okay. Disregard. Okay. Is there any

23:43nominations?

23:49>> Council,

23:50>> Council Member Red Bass.

23:52>> I would like to nominate um Mr. Jeffrey

23:55R. Jaggers. Uh he lives in my district.

23:59I I've been I've met him after I was

24:01elected. He's a retired CW5.

24:05So his experience is military.

24:09So, um, since his application is there,

24:14um, I don't know if he falls under real

24:16estate development or building industry.

24:23City attorney, you want to help me out

24:24with that one?

24:26>> Um, let me take a look at the

24:27application real quick.

24:35But I can say a CW5

24:38has a lot of uh experience in many

24:41different areas.

25:08I'm looking at the at the application to

25:11see if there they checked off the box

25:13for real estate. Um, isn't there a box

25:15on the There's not an application.

25:17>> No, it's all based on what's in the

25:18application. And if I remember

25:20correctly, nobody had real estate in

25:21their application.

25:25So just from the information we do have

25:28on the on the application and the resume

25:31that was attached, you have a lot of

25:33areas of expertise there. Um

25:39yeah, it doesn't look like we have

25:40somebody that fits that category.

25:43>> Thank you.

25:45>> Okay. So we'll keep that one open as

25:47well and if somebody applies, we can

25:48bring it back to you.

25:50>> Okay. Next up's going to be the Civil

25:53Service Commission, Mr. Kaggel.

25:58>> Yes, I recommend uh reappointing

26:01um excuse me, let me get up uh Kenneth

26:03Hawthorne.

26:06>> Okay.

26:11>> Okay. Next up is the Community

26:12Development Advisory Committee. We have

26:15six V uh expiring terms and they're all

26:18going to be citizen representatives.

26:21Okay. Council member Neski.

26:24>> Thank you, sir. Um, the community

26:27development advisory, I would like to

26:29appoint um Tiffany Hall.

26:46>> Thank you.

26:46>> Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Uh, Council

26:49Member Brown,

26:51>> Christy Wilbanks,

26:54Christy Wilbanks,

27:00>> Council Member McKimble.

27:01>> Thank you, sir. I would like to nominate

27:03Mr. Bear Jones.

27:09>> Okay. Council member Bess,

27:13>> I would like to nominate Miss Delena

27:15West.

27:20Mayor Pro two.

27:23>> Scotty Hilder,

27:25>> I'm sorry. Can you repeat that one?

27:26>> Scotty Scotty Hilder.

27:33>> Council member Neski,

27:35>> is that all five?

27:36>> Um, I do have one more, but there are

27:38three on there that we're requesting

27:40reappoint. So, if there's no more

27:42recommendations,

27:43>> which three? Uh, Mina,

27:46>> that's okay. If they want to stay, they

27:48can. That's fine.

27:50>> We will need to narrow it down to one.

27:52>> So, which one? Which one? What are their

27:55names? I know.

27:55>> Um, Lavina Sabri, Paty Bracie, and

27:58Angela Galbreth.

28:00>> Uh, I don't know Angela, so I will go

28:02with her.

28:04>> Thank you,

28:10>> Council Member Kimble.

28:14No,

28:15>> he's they can they can do more than one.

28:18>> Okay. Council member Bess.

28:21>> Oh, sorry, sir. I I didn't turn mine

28:24off.

28:25>> Let me vote Tim. Okay. Uh, Council

28:29Member Nash King.

28:30>> Yes, ma'am. You said there's one more.

28:32>> That's all six.

28:33>> Okay. Thank you.

28:38>> And so that's it.

28:40>> Unless anyone else has

28:43any changes? Okay, next up is going to

28:45be the Heritage Preservation Board. Um,

28:48so this is where I start getting into

28:49some of them that are a little bit

28:50different. Um, Mark Manning is a

28:53representative of KAHA and he is

28:56requesting reappoint. Um, we do have two

28:59atlarge representatives that are both

29:02requesting reappoint and then a vacancy

29:04for a realtor.

29:14Council member Neski.

29:16>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. This

29:18committee is very unique, as you stated,

29:20of the expertise.

29:22All the three you named have done an

29:24excellent job and I when I went through

29:26the applications, I didn't see a realtor

29:28unless somebody else on here saw one to

29:31fill that one position. But I would

29:34ma'am,

29:34>> I believe you're correct for sure.

29:35>> Thank you. But I would recommend to the

29:37council because this is such a specific

29:40expertise like inheritage uh

29:42preservation board that we should uh

29:44keep the if it's okay with them to keep

29:46the three members because they have done

29:49an excellent job. Thank you ma'am. Thank

29:51you Mr. Mayor.

29:52>> Thank you.

29:53>> Okay, that's your recommendation.

29:56>> Thank you council member.

30:02>> Clean Economic Development Corporation.

30:04Mr. Todd Fox is a chamber

30:06representative. He is requesting

30:07reappointment. And Mr. Jose Guzman is a

30:10KIF representative. He's also requesting

30:12reappoint.

30:15>> Council member Nashk.

30:18>> I'm no one else speak.

30:20>> Okay. Council member Bess.

30:22>> I nominate uh Mr. Todd Fox for a second

30:26term.

30:27>> Okay. Council member Kendricks.

30:31>> You two want. What was the second?

30:33Guzzman.

30:33>> Jose Guzman.

30:34>> I nominate Joseé Guzman.

30:36>> Wonderful. Thank you.

30:40Next will be the Colleen Sister Cities.

30:42Uh Miss Janice Anderson is an Osan

30:45representative. She is requesting

30:46reappointment. Um Miss Sandra Taiwan has

30:49not requested reappoint. That's going to

30:50be a citizen representative vacancy. And

30:53then the third vacancy on this uh

30:55committee is going to be a Yak

30:56representative, which is typically um

30:58recommended by Yak. However, they were

31:00just appointed, so they have not been

31:01able to give their recommendation yet.

31:05So, with that, we have the Osan

31:07representative requesting reappointment

31:09and then one citizen representative.

31:14>> Okay. Council member Bess.

31:16>> Oh, sorry.

31:17>> Council member Kendricks.

31:21>> No.

31:23>> Okay. Uh, Council Member Kim Kimble.

31:25>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I recommend for

31:27Janice Anderson to stay on as oan.

31:33>> Okay. Councilman Mineski.

31:36>> Yes, sir. If I understood correctly, Mr.

31:38Mayor and ma'am, it was one vacancy.

31:41>> Yes, ma'am.

31:41>> And I would like to recommend, and if I

31:43mispronounce his name, please correct

31:45me. Raymond A.

31:50Monaco.

31:53Okay.

31:57The next one's going to be the Main

31:59Street Board. We have three vacancies

32:01for citizen representatives. All three

32:03parties are requesting reappoint.

32:06>> Okay. Council member Nashki.

32:08>> Thank you. I would like to recommend

32:10Ramal Avaris.

32:14>> Thank you.

32:16>> Which one?

32:19>> It it doesn't matter the way it's done

32:21out.

32:23Thank you for that correction.

32:25>> Absolutely.

32:26>> Okay.

32:30>> Uh may

32:32>> I'm sorry. I just had a question

32:33regarding that. You said that there's

32:34three that are requesting reappointment

32:36and you said it doesn't matter. How do

32:37we know which?

32:39>> Um in the sense of if you recommend

32:42let's say Mr. Watkins and she wants to

32:43recommend Miss Miss Ringold, then um

32:45Raone Alvarez could take Mr. Peton's

32:47position.

32:48>> Understood. Thank you.

32:51Council member Brown,

32:55>> I was just going to recommend that we

32:57keep the three people that are currently

32:59serving on that board

33:02um and allow them to continue since none

33:04of them are termed out. And this is a

33:06board that's just getting off the ground

33:08to try to reestablish our downtown area.

33:12[clears throat]

33:19>> Okay. Kelsey Mineski.

33:21>> Yes, sir. The reason I recommended Raone

33:24Abberes, he does uh he's h he has a

33:27business down there and this committee

33:29to me for the Main Street Board. it. I

33:33would hope it would be committee members

33:36that have invested their time and money

33:39to ensuring the downtown is developed

33:42correctly as we continue to revitalize

33:46downtown Khen because it is predicated

33:49on their investment and to ensure that

33:51they give 100% and their input on

33:55downtown where they would most likely

33:58work daily. Uh they should have that

34:00input on that. I I respect uh council

34:03member Brown uh uh decision but uh Mr.

34:07Mayor would uh ask the council to make a

34:10decision uh on that and my

34:12recommendation would be Ramon Avaress.

34:16>> Okay. We can bring it to vote at the

34:19work at the U regular session.

34:22>> Thank you sir.

34:23>> Yes ma'am.

34:28Next is going to be the parks and

34:29recreation advisory committee. Um there

34:33are four vacancies. They do go by

34:35districts. Uh the district 2

34:37representative is requesting

34:38reappointment as is the district 4 and

34:41the atlarge position. District three is

34:44vacant. So there's no reappointment

34:45there.

34:54two, three, four.

34:55>> Okay. Council member Kimble.

34:57>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like

34:59Emilio

35:00uh Fenderson to continue as the position

35:03to District 2 rep.

35:08>> Okay. Council member Kendricks.

35:13Uh, I would like for

35:15staff Michelle

35:18Lamers

35:19to continue as district 4.

35:27>> Okay,

35:29>> that leaves us with the district three

35:31and an atlarge position.

35:35>> Council member Meski.

35:40Um I apologize for that sir. Uh for the

35:43at large position, I would like to or

35:48recommend the M the Moscus Y Ros

36:00>> Damascus

36:02Damascus. I don't know.

36:06>> I've got a list of them.

36:08>> And that leaves district three, which is

36:10currently vacant.

36:13And I apologize. I missed that. This was

36:16my disorder.

36:19>> I'm sorry, sir. Uh I think council

36:21member Nash King. Did you

36:23>> Oh, no, sir. Council member Bess.

36:25District three.

36:26>> Council member uh Brown, then council

36:29member Bess.

36:30>> Okay, there we go.

36:35>> District three.

36:43Okay,

36:44>> I'll defer to the

36:45>> Okay, Council Member Bess, um I

36:48apologize. I did not realize this was by

36:51district. Um but I do know that uh we

36:56have uh several applications from

36:59district three. Uh so I nominate uh

37:02Jamie Carol.

37:07>> Thank you, sir.

37:12Up next is the planning and zoning

37:13commission. Uh there are three

37:15vacancies. All three are requesting

37:17reappoint. Um and they are at large

37:20positions as well.

37:28>> Council member Nashki.

37:30>> Thank you. Um Mr. Mayor, can I ask her a

37:34question about position? Thank you, sir.

37:36And I see your attorney. Are the are

37:38they up their position expired or they

37:41just want to be

37:42>> Yes, they're all expiring at the end of

37:44this month.

37:45>> All right. In that case,

37:47I would like to nominate um for that

37:51committee Johnny Frederick.

38:03Okay. Council member I'm

38:08Thank you, sir.

38:08>> You're welcome. Uh, Council Member

38:10Brown, I

38:11>> nominate James Stills.

38:17>> Okay. Council, uh, Mayor Poin.

38:20>> Uh, Ken Wilkerson,

38:26Council Member Williams,

38:31>> Cindy Row.

38:35And that does give us four.

38:36>> We already have four.

38:38>> There's three vac. Okay. Okay.

38:42>> Did you still want to nominate Miss

38:44Cindy Row?

38:46>> Yes.

38:47>> We just bring it to a vote.

38:49>> Yes, ma'am.

38:50>> Mr. Mayor,

38:52>> I can remove my

38:55>> You you

38:56>> Yes, sir. I won't. So, I don't want to

38:58have to do all of that. Uh I'll just

39:01remove my name.

39:03>> Thank you. Yes.

39:07>> It makes it complicated.

39:10>> May pro two.

39:14>> Uh, council member Williams.

39:18>> Council member Nash King.

39:21>> Yes, sir. I just requested to remove

39:23mine.

39:24>> All right.

39:26>> Okay. Uh, I believe this is our last

39:28one. Senior Citizen Advisory Board

39:30subcommittees are going to be council

39:31members Nash King and Williams. There

39:34are five expiring terms and three vacant

39:39terms that are not expired. So, we do

39:41have a total of eight positions. I do

39:44have three people that are requesting a

39:48reappointment.

39:49>> Okay. So, we got three in the final.

39:54>> Okay. Council member Nash King.

39:56>> Thank you. Uh Mr. Mayor, we will uh keep

39:59the three individuals that are

40:02requesting to stay on that uh in that

40:05position and I will refer to uh Mr.

40:08Mayor, Councilwoman Williams for the

40:11five

40:12positions that's left

40:15to give out the names.

40:19>> Council member Williams.

40:21>> Thank you, Councilwoman Nash. I

40:23appreciate that. Uh, the one I'm

40:25nominating is Vince Washington.

40:29>> Can you repeat the last name?

40:30>> Vince V I N CE Washington. W A S H I N G

40:34T O N.

40:36Emilio Fenderson.

40:40E M I L I O Fenderson.

40:45Michelle Lamers,

40:52Misty Darren,

40:55>> what was the first name? Misty.

40:56>> Misty. M I S T Y. Darren, D A R R I N.

41:03And lastly, Mr. Louis Rivera.

41:07[clears throat]

41:16Thank you, Council Member Williams.

41:18Council member Nashki.

41:20No. Okay.

41:23Okay. And this is the last one. Um the

41:25TUR board

41:27um Representative Louis Miner is a Bell

41:29County representative. They do intend on

41:31taking that before their board at the

41:3321st of this month. So, tenatively um

41:36he's going to be reesting requesting

41:38reappoint. Um, Miss Tony Ringold is a

41:41citizen representative. She is

41:43requesting uh reappointment. And Mr. Rex

41:47Weaver is the Central Texas College

41:49representative. He's also requesting

41:50reappoint.

41:52And then this is a unique situation

41:53where we do have a vacancy for a council

41:55member as well. Um,

41:59so I'm not sure how we want to handle

42:01that, but we do have a vacancy.

42:05>> Is it attorney?

42:06>> Yes. for this. When we when council

42:09appointed

42:11when council appointed its um council

42:13members back in June, um the council

42:17member Kendrick was appointed, but you

42:18are already a member and so um we still

42:21have one vacancy for a council member.

42:26>> Okay. Um

42:29Council Member Nashki.

42:31>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. I

42:33recommend that we keep our uh three

42:36individuals that we have and I would

42:38like to also serve on that committee as

42:41a council representative.

42:42>> Okay. So, you're nominating yourself.

42:44Okay.

42:44>> Yes, sir.

42:45>> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Um Council Member

42:49Brown.

42:55Okay.

42:57All right. And that's the last of it.

42:59Our staff recommendation would be to

43:00appoint the individuals just discussed

43:02um to identify to the identified

43:04vacancies and expired terms.

43:07>> Thank you so much for your help.

43:11>> Okay,

43:16>> Madam Secretary, next item.

43:25Yes, sir.

43:29>> Item 11.

43:29>> Item 11, RS-26-144.

43:34Consider a memorandum resolution

43:36ratifying the city manager's approval of

43:38the emergency procurement for the

43:40Aendesta

43:42Emergency Sewer Repair and Contract with

43:45TTG Utilities, Inc. in the amount of

43:48$146,700.

43:53>> Good evening, ma'am. How you doing?

43:55>> Good evening, Mr. Mayor.

43:57>> It's good to see you again.

43:58>> Great job.

43:59>> Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and

44:01Council. Um before you tonight, we have

44:04a preventative project that we took the

44:07initiative to go find out why we were

44:09having additional sewer overflows in a

44:12specific area. Our crews became aware of

44:14the situation after two sanitary sewer

44:17overflows. And in July of this year,

44:20they did some investig investigation in

44:22as to why that was occurring. Um, what

44:25we did find is that the length of pipe

44:28at the depth and slope of which it was

44:30was too much for our crews to do

44:32in-house and we needed to go externally

44:35uh with a contractor.

44:38This [clears throat] particular project

44:39conforms to city policy and satisfies

44:41the legal requirement for single source

44:43emergency repairs of a sewer line due to

44:46the preservation of public health and

44:48safety.

44:50On August 11th, the city manager

44:51authorized the emergency procurement and

44:53executed the contract with TTG utilities

44:56for this 200 linear foot of sanitary

44:58sewer pipe. Work was completed,

45:01inspected, camered, and accepted by the

45:03city on August 26th of 2026. and the

45:07final invoice was received on August

45:0928th of 2026. This was an emergency

45:12procurement that the city manager did

45:14authorize. And so we are re recommending

45:17and asking that city council ratify the

45:19city manager's approval of the emergency

45:22procurement for the Aendosaura Emergency

45:25Sewer Repair Contract with TTG

45:27Utilities, Inc. in the amount of

45:29$146,700

45:32and authorize a city manager or

45:34designate to execute any and all change

45:36orders within the amount set by state

45:38and local law.

45:40And with that, I'm available for any

45:41questions you may have.

45:44>> Council member Kimble.

45:47>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, as a emergency

45:50procurement, where does that line where

45:51does that those funds come from to fix

45:53this? So these particular funds for this

45:56project came within our water and sewer

45:57funds within our operating budget. We

46:00just shifted some money around at the

46:01end of the year. Um we we had other

46:04things that were put on hold in order to

46:06make this repair project.

46:08>> So there were no project you didn't take

46:10money from another project to do this

46:11project, did you?

46:12>> The these are operational funds that

46:14were utilized for this particular

46:16project.

46:16>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. cause a

46:19little problem.

46:23[clears throat]

46:23>> Can you explain what would have happened

46:25had we not done the emergency repair and

46:28how much that potentially could have

46:30cost the city?

46:32>> Absolutely. Um, so when we have sanitary

46:35sewer overflows, we are required to

46:37report them to the state or the TCQ as

46:40you may have heard in previous

46:42presentations. And when that occurs, the

46:44level of fines that are resulting from

46:46that depend on the amount of flow that

46:48goes out into a waterway or onto the

46:51surface of the land. In this particular

46:53spot, it was a low area where we did

46:56have saturated soils and that's one of

46:58the reasons why city staff couldn't

47:00could not complete this job in within

47:02the week a lot that we typically all lot

47:05uh for a project. And with that, fines

47:09vary. It could go anywhere from $5,000

47:12upwards of $25,000 for an event.

47:17>> And we had already had two events at the

47:20same location.

47:21>> We did. So theoretically, if we had not

47:25fixed this right away, we [snorts] could

47:27have piled up thousands of dollars each

47:30and every single time. And then there's

47:32the additional risk that we've got that

47:34raw sewage going back into the

47:36groundwater and and into the dirt that

47:40could then contaminate it and make the

47:42people sick. And anytime the sewer

47:44overflows and gets into the environment,

47:47it is an issue for the state and for the

47:49city and we try to prevent that as best

47:51as possible. Um, so it is something that

47:53could have had repetitive fines on it

47:56from the state had we not taken measures

47:58to correct it.

47:59>> Thank you. Any

48:02other questions?

48:04Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you,

48:09Madam Secretary. Item 12, RS-26-145.

48:15Consider a memorandum resolution

48:16approving a negotiated settlement

48:18between the Atmos City's steering

48:20committee and the Atmos Energy regarding

48:22the 2026 Atmos rate review mechanism

48:26filing.

48:27>> Good evening, city attorney. Good

48:29evening, mayor, city council. This is

48:31your atmos rate review mechanism filing

48:33item. So, a little bit of background on

48:35this. Cities exercise original

48:37jurisdiction over the level of gas rates

48:39charged within their boundaries. Colleen

48:41is a member of the Atmas city steering

48:42committee along with 181 other cities

48:45served by Atmas Midex. So since 2007

48:48atmas and the steering committee have

48:50worked under an alternate rate review

48:51process referred to as the rate review

48:53mechanism RRM as opposed to the

48:56statutory gas reliability infrastructure

48:58programmas

49:00filed a rate request on or about April

49:011st 2026 claiming it's entitled to

49:05additional systemwide revenues of 291.1

49:07million and that's based on a test year

49:09ending December 31 2025 so last year. Um

49:13the steering committee consultants

49:15analyzed the filing and determined that

49:16the systemwide deficiency under the RM

49:18should be 253.4 million.

49:22So the executive committee of the

49:24steering committee and atmas negotiated

49:25a settlement and that settlement

49:27resulted in the request was reduced from

49:29the 291.1 million to 260.5 million. This

49:34does impact the average residential

49:36increase would be $13.37

49:38per month or or 14.15%

49:41increase and the average commercial user

49:43increase is $44.82

49:45per month or 9.9%

49:48increase.

49:50Um staff and executive committee of the

49:52of the steering committee recommend

49:54approving the negotiated settlement

49:55between the steering committee and atmos

49:57midex midex division regarding the 2026

50:00RM filing. I'm here for any questions. I

50:03also believe there's a representative

50:04from Atmas here as well.

50:06>> Thank you, C. Council member Kimble.

50:08>> Thank you, Mr. [clears throat]

50:10>> When it comes to the Atmas and I don't

50:12know if call a rate increase or their

50:14request their in request for increase,

50:17is this is this done yearly? I mean I

50:19mean do they come every year?

50:21>> Yes, they do. So, they are statutoily um

50:24they have a statutory right to review

50:26and increase these rates every year

50:29under the grip formula. And we do have

50:31better rates than the city still under

50:33grip. Um but they do have if we weren't

50:35under this we'd be under under grip.

50:37>> So based on the I mean for I guess for

50:41me and for citizens what what happens?

50:44Why why the rate increase? What what

50:46causes atmas is on their supply side?

50:50Are they are they being charged more?

50:51They're passing on to the to to us or

50:54>> it's based on their capital investment

50:55made within the preceding 12 months. the

50:57month the year ending December 2025

51:00that's based on those expenses. Um

51:03uh is the admiss representative here?

51:05Yes, she if if she can maybe uh explain

51:08that a little bit better and

51:09>> and I guess you know why you know

51:12as [snorts]

51:14you know for the citizen standpoint

51:15there's there's you know everything

51:17increases and we're just trying to find

51:19out why the atmas increase. I I would

51:21like to hear that explanation and what

51:23difference what what goes on year to

51:25year to cause that delivery of gas to

51:28increase you know for the citizens.

51:30>> Definitely I would defer. Yes.

51:32>> Thank you. Hi, my name is Tammy Bowman

51:34and I Hi, thank you for allowing me to

51:38come up and speak. Um, our vision is to

51:40be the safest provider of natural gas.

51:43And much like the city, in order for us

51:46to be the safest provider of natural

51:47gas, we have to continue to invest in

51:49our infrastructure. So, investing in and

51:52modernizing our infrastructure um while

51:55continuing to invest in safety,

51:57innovation, and then environmental

51:59sustainability. Um, last in 2025, we

52:03invested um

52:06roughly 1.8 8 billion into our um

52:10system. Um and 85% of that was um in our

52:15infrastructure.

52:17So that is the reason why we're coming

52:19to you today and ask for um our rates is

52:22because of our investment in in our

52:25infrastructure to keep it safe. [snorts]

52:31>> Thank you ma'am for the explanation. I

52:32just one question. So as the enduser,

52:35what do what what difference do we see

52:37based on your capital improvement? What

52:40what do I see as as in

52:43>> um I know here in Colleen, we are

52:44currently doing some neighborhood

52:46replacements and modernizing our system.

52:48>> So modernizing the system

52:51>> um

52:54>> modernizing the gas the delivery system,

52:56the gas pipes, right, is pro is is is

52:59what those rate increases are for. Yes.

53:02>> Modernization. Okay. Thank you.

53:04>> Thank you,

53:07>> Council Member Brown.

53:13>> Yes. Sorry about that. Sorry. You're

53:14good.

53:14>> Before you walk away, I'm good.

53:16>> Thank you.

53:17>> What percentage of that $1.8 billion is

53:21in this general area of Central Texas?

53:24>> Sure. That's a good question. And I have

53:37for the city of Colleen. Um,

53:40we have roughly 7,427

53:43customers, 190 mi of pipeline, and for

53:50our capital investments. And for fiscal

53:52year 25 it was 6,730

53:56I'm sorry 6,7 thou 6,739,721

54:02um dollars spent in 25. Um

54:12>> thank you. And my my other question for

54:15Miss Clemens.

54:18[clears throat]

54:22I know every year we have to go through

54:24this between with Atmos and with uh

54:27Encore. Can you explain what happens if

54:30we don't approve this?

54:32>> Sure. the rates um the higher rates

54:34would go into we would have a problem

54:36because what we would need to do the

54:38steering committee um hires experts to

54:42go through this filing and go through

54:43the rates and that's where the

54:45negotiation starts and how this was

54:47reduced from the rates that they're st

54:48that that they're um statutoily

54:52[clears throat] uh available to request

54:53under under the grip under the grip

54:55system. So, I would not recommend making

54:57a change for this year. If you were

54:59looking at something to do um looking

55:01for something to do next year, if we

55:03wanted to change the system or try to do

55:05something different, we would need to do

55:06that ahead of [clears throat] time

55:07before because these rates are set to go

55:09into effect on October 1.

55:11>> Under that actually goes to my next

55:14question. How do we notify uh on such

55:17short notice those customers who are

55:20going to have higher rates starting

55:22October one?

55:24I don't know if if Atmas does

55:27notifications.

55:29Yeah,

55:33>> I would ask that the their

55:35representative speak to that. Sorry.

55:38>> Excuse me.

55:39>> So, yes, notifications was sent out to

55:41our customers and their bill and and

55:43once um the rates are in effect, then

55:47we'll send another notice out within

55:49their billing. But like Miss Clemens

55:52mentioned, y'all are part of the ACSC

55:54coalition, which when we file back in

55:57April, we um met with the ACSC

56:01coalition, we opened our books up to

56:03them. It's a very um open process. Um

56:07and they went on y'all's behalf to get

56:09the best rates. Um,

56:13in the future, I'd love to see that we

56:14can do it where any rate increases are

56:18proportional to the infrastructure we're

56:20receiving, so we're not paying for

56:22infrastructure going to some other part

56:24of the state of Texas.

56:27Um, and then Mr. Kaggel, do we have any

56:31city buildings that are still utilizing

56:34gas?

56:38>> We have some, but not not a lot.

56:41the gas in town's all in the north. So,

56:43>> okay. And I I would guess that um this

56:46has already been built into our FY27

56:49budget.

56:51>> Honestly, the in all of our buildings

56:53that have it, these are really small

56:54numbers, but I would say no. This is

56:56this R's not in there.

56:58>> And like you I think you just said it,

57:00but we actually don't have any G natural

57:03gas customers at all or natural gas

57:05lines north of I14. Correct.

57:09I think they're all north of

57:11>> Oh,

57:11>> I'm sorry. I meant to say south of I14.

57:14>> They could verify that, but that's

57:17>> Yeah. So, I everything is just

57:19[clears throat] going to affect the

57:20north side of

57:20>> Yes.

57:22>> Okay. Yeah. Um

57:23>> I I would also note that if you're if

57:26the city is if if the council's looking

57:28at um having this based on just the

57:31infrastructure based on the city, the

57:33reason we're able the with the steering

57:35committee, they hire the experts and we

57:36we um pull that money together to pay

57:38for those experts. If the city was going

57:40on its own, then we would be taking on

57:42those expenses.

57:43[cough and clears throat]

57:44>> Thank you,

57:46>> Council Member Bess. So, so

57:49[clears throat] just for perspective,

57:51um the average uh residential increase

57:56will be $16044

58:00per year and the average uh commercial

58:04increase will be $537.84

58:08a year. Um it's a it's a big increase.

58:12Uh but it sounds like if the council was

58:15to say no, it would be even more of an

58:18increase

58:18>> at this point. And um and we can

58:21definitely look at that for the future

58:22about doing something different and we

58:24can have the representatives from the

58:26steering committee come explain a little

58:27bit better about how we go through that

58:29process. But um if we um decided to not

58:33be a part of the steering committee in

58:34the future, then the expense of

58:36challenging that um would be solely on

58:38the city. So, we've looked at going

58:39through the steering committee in the

58:40past, but we can we can definitely talk

58:42about that more in the future. I don't

58:44And as far as those numbers, did you

58:45just multiply the numbers by 12 cuz that

58:48500 number

58:49>> 45 times. So, I'm not I'm not sure about

58:51that. It's just um I have the monthly

58:53figure.

58:53>> Yeah, I just did it quick just to see

58:56how how big of an impact and it is a big

58:58impact. And a lot of these are older

59:01homes and older businesses. So, um it's

59:05a it's a substantial increase for the

59:07customers.

59:08But it sounds like it's the best deal we

59:11have at this moment.

59:12>> This is a greater increase than we've

59:14seen in the last few years. Um we

59:16completely acknowledge that and I

59:18believe that that was it was good to

59:19have that miss um representative up here

59:22to explain um those increases. But yes,

59:24this is a greater increase than we've

59:25seen in the past several years.

59:26>> Thank you,

59:27>> Council Member Nashki.

59:29>> Thank you, Mr. Kagel. I just um thank

59:32the council for the questions that they

59:34asked and I thank staff and atmas for

59:36answering them. But the item that's on

59:39the agenda that's up for vote is that we

59:42have met with other cities. We had

59:44experts to come in and this is the best

59:47deal we can negotiate. This is what we

59:50will be voting on tonight. Thank you.

59:57>> Thank you. Thank you, city attorney.

1:00:00Madam Secretary, next item.

1:00:05>> Item 13, RS-26-146.

1:00:09Consider a memorandum resolution

1:00:11awarding RFP27-11

1:00:15to Bluec Cross Blue Shield of Texas,

1:00:17BCBSTX,

1:00:19for an excess risk policy stoploss

1:00:22insurance for medical and pharmacy

1:00:24claims under the city's health insurance

1:00:26plan. effective October 1, 2026 in the

1:00:30amount of 1,59,582.

1:00:34>> Good afternoon, Mr. McDaniel.

1:00:36>> Good afternoon, mayor and council. As

1:00:38she stated, we're here to discuss

1:00:39stop-loss insurance for this evening.

1:00:41Uh, just a quick background. So, as you

1:00:43know, the city is a selffunded in um

1:00:46health insurance platform, which means

1:00:48we need to protect ourselves um from

1:00:50high claimments through the stop-loss um

1:00:54line of insurance. On August 2nd, the

1:00:56city partnered um with Lockton and

1:00:59utilized the request for proposal

1:01:00process to um select a stop-loss

1:01:03insurance provider.

1:01:06Um what stop-loss insurance does is it

1:01:09protects us in two different ways. It

1:01:11protects us from individual claims of an

1:01:13a specific amount and it protects our

1:01:16claims as a whole. So as a whole group

1:01:18if we exceed a certain margin um

1:01:21stop-loss insurance would come into

1:01:22effect in that manner as well. So, our

1:01:24current individual deductible is

1:01:26$200,000, meaning any claim that hits

1:01:28$200,000 and goes over, stoploss kicks

1:01:32in and helps us pay that claim. Um, the

1:01:35contract basis is on a 2412, which means

1:01:38it's looking at claims that have

1:01:39occurred in the past 24 months and they

1:01:42will pay them out in the coming 12

1:01:43months. And the aggregate margin or the

1:01:47entire claim spend as a whole is 125%.

1:01:50Meaning once their claims spent spend is

1:01:54125% of what we came to you in June with

1:01:58um stop loss would kick in from an

1:02:00aggregate perspective.

1:02:03We received two bids when we went out

1:02:04for bid. Those were from Blue Cross Blue

1:02:06Shield of Texas and Voya. Um in um

1:02:10coercion with Lock and Dunning. We

1:02:12reviewed um and analyzed these bid

1:02:16proposals. They were reviewed on RFP

1:02:18format, fixed cost, contract maturity

1:02:21services provided and then renewal

1:02:23protection, meaning when we go out for

1:02:25bid next year, what is the maximum that

1:02:27that renewal would come back at from

1:02:29these companies? Grading resulted in the

1:02:31following scores. Um Blue Cross Blue

1:02:33Shield with a 93.4 out of a possible

1:02:36100. Voya with 74.2.

1:02:39Um, also it should be noted that we

1:02:41can't actually cannot consider Voya's

1:02:43proposal because their proposal did not

1:02:45include a firm cost saying this is

1:02:47exactly what it would cost. It was

1:02:49subject to change and therefore could

1:02:51not be considered as a viable option.

1:02:55So of the coverage options provided to

1:02:58us, we had three. Um, the first option

1:03:01is to renew with the same contract

1:03:03format that we currently have. of you

1:03:04will note one difference and that's that

1:03:07the contract basis would be at 3612 and

1:03:09it's because we've been in stop loss now

1:03:11that that look back period and those

1:03:12claim payment periods is a little bit

1:03:14longer. Um option two would be to

1:03:16increase our individual deductible to

1:03:19250,000.

1:03:20This would mean the city would take on

1:03:22$50,000 more in risk um for those high

1:03:26claimments of which we average less than

1:03:29four um annually. And option three would

1:03:32be to increase that deductible to

1:03:34300,000. Meaning the city would take on

1:03:36a possible extra addition additional

1:03:39$100,000 per high claimment before that

1:03:42stop-loss insurance would kick in.

1:03:47It is recommended that we partner with

1:03:49Blue Cross Blue Shield as the viable

1:03:51option and um consider coverage option

1:03:55number three which increases our risk.

1:03:57There were multiple reasons for

1:03:58considering that the health of the fund

1:04:00um what our performance has been in the

1:04:02past with regards to high claimments um

1:04:04as why that's coming forward as the

1:04:06proposed option. So I'm happy to answer

1:04:08any other questions that you might have.

1:04:12>> Okay, Council Member Brown,

1:04:16>> not so much a question as um a statement

1:04:19or an explanation. Stop loss essentially

1:04:23then would be like an umbrella policy

1:04:25that a private individual would carry

1:04:27covers above and beyond what your

1:04:29primary insurance covers. Correct.

1:04:31>> Correct. [snorts] Um and I agree with

1:04:34option number three. I used to have an

1:04:37insurance agency. We don't have enough

1:04:40claims

1:04:42uh historically that hit that $200,000

1:04:45mark to warrant us having the higher

1:04:49payment or premium when more than likely

1:04:54we're going to save a whole lot more

1:04:56money by not doing that. So, thank you.

1:05:02>> Okay.

1:05:04Thank you so much. Excellent,

1:05:06>> Madam Secretary. Next item.

1:05:10Item 14, RS-26-147,

1:05:14consider memorandum resolution

1:05:17authorizing the submission of a defense

1:05:19economic adjustment assistance grant

1:05:21application to the Texas Military

1:05:23Preparedness Commission in an amount up

1:05:26to 5 million for the resting facility

1:05:29improvements new fiber backbone project.

1:05:33>> Good evening, Miss England.

1:05:34>> Good evening. Thank you, mayor. Thank

1:05:36you, council members. Uh this item today

1:05:39is for the DE A grant application

1:05:41installation of a new fiber uh backbone.

1:05:44At the background uh the defense

1:05:46economic adjustment assistant grant DE

1:05:49AG supports infrastructural projects

1:05:52that enhance the military value

1:05:54installations. The heart of Texas

1:05:56Defense Alliance and for hood identify a

1:05:58project related to the resessioning of

1:06:01the the 116 military intelligent brigade

1:06:04Hades rest reessioning will bring

1:06:07approximately 1200 soldiers and 1800

1:06:10family members to for hood city will

1:06:13serve as the applicant project sponsor

1:06:15and the har Texas defendants is

1:06:17coordinating preparation of the grant

1:06:19application

1:06:22the prior city DE a project applications

1:06:24in 2016 and 2019. Uh we did uh one with

1:06:28the uh uh rubber grey army uh airfield

1:06:33uh one for the radar approach control

1:06:35facility renovation and one for the

1:06:36secure surveillance systems uh and with

1:06:39the aviation help and in 2022 we did a

1:06:42WC uh number one lake belton water plant

1:06:45backup power system.

1:06:48Uh the project purpose is to install a

1:06:50new fiber backbone to west for hood

1:06:53support mission critical data flow for

1:06:55Hades operations improve network

1:06:58capability for west for hood extend

1:07:00communications to the ammunition supply

1:07:02point and support automated instruction

1:07:06capabilities

1:07:09uh the project funding the project cost

1:07:12is 13.8 8 million. The uh grant request

1:07:15will be for 5 million and the cost share

1:07:17will be federal for hood 8.7 million and

1:07:20the city of Telen in kind will be

1:07:2275,000.

1:07:25This is the mat where the assistant

1:07:27fiber line is and the new fiber line.

1:07:34The recommendation is that the staff

1:07:36recommend the city council approve a

1:07:38resolution authorizing the city manager

1:07:40or executive director of finance to

1:07:42submit an application to the Texas

1:07:44military preparness commission for up to

1:07:465 million and defense economic

1:07:48adjustment assistant grant funding for

1:07:50the stationing resting facility

1:07:53improvements project and authorizing the

1:07:55city of Galen to serve as the project

1:07:57sponsor applicant.

1:08:00I happy to answer any questions you may

1:08:02have.

1:08:02>> Council member Brown.

1:08:07Well,

1:08:08>> okay. There are no questions. Thank you

1:08:10so much, ma'am. You have the next one.

1:08:12>> Yes.

1:08:13>> Uh, item 15.

1:08:16>> Item 15, RS26-148.

1:08:20Consider a memorandum resolution

1:08:22approving the Keen Arts Commission grant

1:08:24recommendations for fiscal year 2027.

1:08:31Thank you. Uh this item is for the

1:08:34cleaning arts commission uh 2027 grant

1:08:36awards. Uh background the Texas tax code

1:08:39351

1:08:41101 hotel occupy tax requires hotel

1:08:44occupy tax revenues to be spent in a

1:08:46manner that directly enhances and

1:08:48promotes tourism to the convention the

1:08:51convention industry and the hotel

1:08:53industry. authorizes municipalities to

1:08:56allocate up to 15% of hotel occupy tax

1:08:58collections for the arts. The total for

1:09:01fiscal year 2027 grants to the arts

1:09:03proposed allocation is 75,000. That is

1:09:06approximately 4% of fiscal year 2027

1:09:08budgeted hot collections.

1:09:11Uh the grant award process started on

1:09:13March 2nd and it goes all the way to

1:09:15July 10.

1:09:17In fiscal year 2027, proposed grant

1:09:19award recommendations are for uh the

1:09:22grantee Walnut Grove Community Services

1:09:251,166

1:09:27for the innovation black chamber of

1:09:29commerce 6,270

1:09:31for viv art society is 39858

1:09:35for ecom 18,75

1:09:39and the premier created collective inc

1:09:41is 9,531 with total 75,000.

1:09:45The alternatives is do not approve the

1:09:47arts commission grant recommendations or

1:09:48amend the arts commission grant

1:09:50recommendation or approve the

1:09:52recommendations are presented and the uh

1:09:54recommendation is to approve as

1:09:56presented. I would be happy to answer

1:09:58any questions you may have. Council

1:09:59>> member Kimble.

1:10:03>> Thank you.

1:10:04>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Tangland. So,

1:10:07I think it's no secret that that we've

1:10:09had issues collecting the right amount

1:10:12of hot tax

1:10:15um based on information we received from

1:10:17our auditor um things outlined in local

1:10:20media.

1:10:22I I mean, how do we rectify making sure

1:10:25that one that the correct amount of tax

1:10:28or I guess tax is collected and and and

1:10:33our numbers come balanced correctly. I

1:10:35think if we look back for the last few

1:10:37years that it hasn't been I think the

1:10:39collection rate is I don't know what

1:10:41that number is. I have to talk to Mr.

1:10:43Grady but but I mean there seems like

1:10:45we're leaving a lot of issues a lot of

1:10:48money on the table by not collecting the

1:10:51appropriate tax. So the hotel uh

1:10:53collections has been steady uh and we do

1:10:56have a a huge uh drop in uh 2020 because

1:10:59of COVID. After that uh we had two

1:11:02hotels that actually fall off of the uh

1:11:05radar. One of them was uh the uh Hilton

1:11:08the Hilton Garden because they have a

1:11:09fire and then in 2023 we have the Red

1:11:13Lion that actually closed. Uh so we did

1:11:16have a uh reduce on hotel taxes. Uh what

1:11:19the uh city uh uh internal auditor was

1:11:22looking into was the STRs. The STRs we

1:11:25started uh to collect on those in 2024.

1:11:28And uh we uh yes, I will agree that we

1:11:32don't have that many uh uh residents

1:11:35that are actually uh reporting the taxes

1:11:37as they should. Uh but I think that's uh

1:11:40one conversation that we have uh this

1:11:42afternoon to see what we can do uh to

1:11:44get on compliance

1:11:46>> and as a followup. So if we and just

1:11:49help me understand this. So we have

1:11:51these entities that put on the these

1:11:55events but these are local residents,

1:11:57right? I mean, do we have data to say

1:11:59that we're actually putting heads in

1:12:01beds for for these events or because it

1:12:04seems like we got local people that come

1:12:07to the event, but that's not generating

1:12:09hotel.

1:12:12>> So, it is one of the

1:12:14>> Well, I'm just I'm just going by by by

1:12:16our reporting. So, I mean, we we'll get

1:12:18to that.

1:12:19>> Yes. One of the uh um requirements uh to

1:12:22apply for the arts commission is to

1:12:24actually pay uh uh have some receipts

1:12:26for hotels and is depending on how much

1:12:29money they uh requested or we granted.

1:12:31That's how many receipts they have to

1:12:33show that they have brought somebody uh

1:12:35into the hotels in here.

1:12:37>> So we have high confidence that the

1:12:39people are putting on the events are

1:12:40saying that they're putting heads in

1:12:42beds during their events. We have high

1:12:43confidence that that that number is

1:12:45correct and the appropriate tax is being

1:12:47collected. Well, I I know I don't want

1:12:50to say we have high confidence because

1:12:51the actually uh receipts that we require

1:12:53is only one hotel for $5,000 that we got

1:12:57that we give up, right? So, uh and I I'm

1:13:00not going to uh say here that they

1:13:02actually bring a lot of people in

1:13:03because I'm not 100% sure. We don't have

1:13:06no way to uh verify that. uh and uh but

1:13:09that's one of the uh things that

1:13:10whenever uh finance do evaluations we go

1:13:14to ours commission board and we uh

1:13:16recommend an amount depending on how

1:13:19many hotel rece they they submit or uh

1:13:22depending on how they got with the

1:13:25expenses and if they uh uh follow the

1:13:27rules and regulations. Uh so that those

1:13:30are the rules uh or the procedures that

1:13:32we follow the policy that we follow uh

1:13:35when we made recommendations. Uh but how

1:13:38many actually bets are coming in I

1:13:40cannot uh really tack on

1:13:42>> but if I think I still have time but I

1:13:45think I've heard the rodeo so that they

1:13:47can they can get they can get get a good

1:13:51number. Why can't we do this with all

1:13:53the other events throughout the city?

1:13:55>> I mean we can uh look into the rules and

1:13:57regulations. That's something that I can

1:13:59bring back to the arts commission board

1:14:00and then uh have more um

1:14:05maybe requirements or how we counting uh

1:14:07or how we we're doing surveys whenever

1:14:09people come into the event. Are they

1:14:10coming out of town? Are they staying in?

1:14:12Uh something that we can probably uh put

1:14:14into the rules and regulations.

1:14:15>> Exactly. If I remember the discussion I

1:14:17think council council member Brown

1:14:19brought up, you know, the the hope the

1:14:20the the museum uh and and some other if

1:14:24they're doing it then we should be be

1:14:26doing it for all events.

1:14:27>> Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Mr.

1:14:28Mayor. [clears throat]

1:14:30>> Council member McBo,

1:14:34>> Councilman Kimell beat me to part of it.

1:14:36[laughter]

1:14:37We're giving money to the hotel or I'm

1:14:40sorry, to the museum on Fort Hood that

1:14:43can't prove that anybody comes in or

1:14:46through Colleen. I've been to the arts

1:14:48commission meetings. I've seen all of

1:14:50the data that they have to return. I'm a

1:14:53huge supporter of putting that into

1:14:56these programs, but I do notice that it

1:14:59looks like we have fewer programs that

1:15:01are recommended this year. Is that

1:15:03because we had fewer applicants or just

1:15:06because there were fewer that actually

1:15:08qualified?

1:15:10>> We have fewer applicants this year.

1:15:12>> Okay. I I [snorts] see that the the

1:15:14several that uh Miss Abri used to put on

1:15:17are not on here anymore. I think she got

1:15:19out of the event business, but I

1:15:21appreciate everything that she has done

1:15:23to bring people to the community. And I

1:15:25know that even if it's just the

1:15:27performers and the entertainers,

1:15:30um they are coming in from out of town

1:15:32and they are staying in the hotels, they

1:15:34are bringing their family members with

1:15:36them. [snorts] Um and they're telling

1:15:38all of their friends, "This is where I'm

1:15:40going to be doing this. this is where

1:15:42I'm going to be performing or this is

1:15:44where I'm going to be setting up and

1:15:47doing my next whatever it is that the

1:15:50organization is doing. So they are

1:15:52bringing people in from out of town and

1:15:56this helps us help our local agencies

1:16:00grow and become bigger to make sure that

1:16:04our local agencies and organizations can

1:16:08be the next big thing that are drawing

1:16:10in thousands and thousands of people.

1:16:13But without that little bit of help to

1:16:15get them started, it's really difficult

1:16:17again. And also uh Miss Hland, this is

1:16:21all on a reimbursement basis, correct?

1:16:24>> That's correct.

1:16:25>> And what is the percentage that they

1:16:27have to actually invest themselves into

1:16:31each one of these programs to be

1:16:33qualified?

1:16:34>> They have 50% match of what they asking

1:16:36for

1:16:36>> and and we don't give them anything

1:16:38until they turn over receipts showing

1:16:41what they have actually paid and they

1:16:43only get half of that back up to this

1:16:45limit. Correct.

1:16:46>> That's correct. And I will tell you that

1:16:49in my experience with the arts

1:16:51commission,

1:16:53most of these organizations

1:16:55are paying a lot more than what this

1:16:59would equate to even at 50% of what

1:17:03they're putting from out of pocket.

1:17:04>> Tell me something, ma'am. Council member

1:17:07Brown Matt Bass. Um, regarding the hotel

1:17:11tax, uh, what I recall from the, uh,

1:17:14audit committee briefing, uh, we have a

1:17:16third-party contractor that actually

1:17:19collects that for us. Is that correct?

1:17:21>> That's correct.

1:17:22>> And what I recall from the audit

1:17:24committee briefing, they're doing a

1:17:26fantastic job collecting the hotel tax.

1:17:29We don't really have a big problem in

1:17:31that area. Is that correct?

1:17:33>> That's correct, sir.

1:17:34>> The hotels are paying up. Uh, we're

1:17:36getting good income from that. Uh and

1:17:39what we're going to discuss in in number

1:17:4121 though is the big problem is the

1:17:44shortterm rentals. Uh and we will

1:17:47discuss that tonight. Correct.

1:17:49>> Yes, sir.

1:17:49>> All right. Thank you very much.

1:17:50>> Thank you.

1:17:54>> Thank you.

1:17:55>> Thank you.

1:17:55>> Thank you so much.

1:18:03Okay,

1:18:06it is now time for citizens comment.

1:18:09Citizens will have three minutes to

1:18:11speak with one minute of time allotted

1:18:15for city council to respond with a

1:18:17statement or explanation without

1:18:19engaging in dialogue. Madame city

1:18:22secretary, please call the first name.

1:18:25>> First speaker is Ramune Santiago.

1:18:36Okay.

1:18:40Okay.

1:18:41>> Second speaker is Michael Forino.

1:18:51>> Good evening, sir.

1:18:56Item number seven was not discussed, but

1:18:59$137,000 for asbestous abatement and

1:19:02demolition in uh Moss Rose. Uh that's a

1:19:06failing that uh blends into the

1:19:08committee assignments and all that.

1:19:10Current committee chair there for KHA

1:19:13has got to go. Mr.

1:19:15I sent an email to all of you and the

1:19:17only engagement I got in return.

1:19:20It's on the agenda

1:19:23item number seven.

1:19:27>> That's why I preambled with it was not

1:19:29discussed but it is on the agenda.

1:19:34Continue sir.

1:19:36[sighs]

1:19:38based upon that that blends in committee

1:19:40assignments and all that. I sent an

1:19:42email to you all which the most

1:19:45engagement I got in return was received

1:19:48so there's no back and forth man in his

1:19:50tenure with KHA 3 years now has been an

1:19:54absolute embarrassment

1:19:57inefficient [snorts] all the things

1:19:59discussed in that email so I'm surprised

1:20:01he was not on the agenda for here the

1:20:04man was appointed he got some push back

1:20:06resigned and then was inexplicably

1:20:09reappointed to KHA

1:20:12And what has he done in all that time?

1:20:14He's canceled meetings. He's frustrated

1:20:16people off the board. And what has

1:20:18gotten done? Nothing. We're no closer to

1:20:20moving KJ forward 3 years ago than we

1:20:23are today.

1:20:26Further with committee assignments, I

1:20:27think it's

1:20:29should be a matter of record why I think

1:20:31that this is highly inappropriate for

1:20:34one Ken Wilkerson to be

1:20:37nominated for any board. I mean he has

1:20:40famously in this chamber demonstrated

1:20:43his inability to make good decisions

1:20:45especially with assessments of

1:20:47situations etc. Bless the man resigned

1:20:49from his council seat in shame in shame

1:20:52and in secret apparently. And we still

1:20:54don't know exact exactly happened with

1:20:56that resignation. But I would ask the

1:20:58council when it comes to these

1:21:01committees that are supposed to be made

1:21:02largely up of the citizens

1:21:06making decisions on behalf of the city

1:21:08for very specific areas of concern.

1:21:13Don't override them. Don't pack them

1:21:15with your friends and family, so to

1:21:18speak. I'll use that term very loosely.

1:21:21With the board of adjustment, they made

1:21:23a judgment call based on back and forth.

1:21:26They had an actual conversation with

1:21:27people. They addressed the issue. They

1:21:29didn't say received. Hey, you folks need

1:21:32to start answering your emails, getting

1:21:34on the record. The board of adjustment,

1:21:37you don't like what the citizens came up

1:21:38with, so you're suing the citizens.

1:21:41That that's not representation. That's

1:21:44another example of this council ignoring

1:21:47the people and the true will of the

1:21:49people. You block it off and bracket us

1:21:51to where we have very little options to

1:21:54have a say or any influence on the town.

1:21:57[clears throat]

1:21:58November's coming up pretty soon

1:22:01for the uh elections and you might be

1:22:04reminded of the boss employee

1:22:07relationship if you don't consider that.

1:22:11Madam City Secretary,

1:22:16>> next speaker is Joseph Smithowski.

1:22:21>> I hope I didn't butcher your name too

1:22:22badly.

1:22:27>> Good evening, sir.

1:22:28>> Uh, greetings, Mr. Mayor, and uh, city

1:22:32council members. Uh, my name is Joseph

1:22:35Shimcowski. I've been a Colleen resident

1:22:38since uh 1981 when I come off the border

1:22:41in Germany. I'm here to give my opinion

1:22:44on data centers

1:22:46uh that want to locate in or near

1:22:49Colleen Texas. I'm against the data

1:22:52centers unless they recycle their own

1:22:55water and not deplete Belt and Lake with

1:22:59their demand for water. I recently heard

1:23:02that these data centers want to employ

1:23:05micronuclear reactors, which I am

1:23:08totally against because [laughter] the

1:23:09harm they could cause the residents of

1:23:12Bell County. Data centers could be a

1:23:15good thing if they recycle their own

1:23:17water. And I'm deeply troubled about the

1:23:21notion that they will employ micro

1:23:24reactors. More investigation is needed

1:23:27on this matter and residents need to be

1:23:30kept up to date on its finding and the

1:23:33council does do a good job on this. I

1:23:35appreciate that and I hope common sense

1:23:38prevails on this matter so that we can

1:23:41have a safe environment. That's all

1:23:42that's all my comments. Thank you.

1:23:45>> Thank you, sir.

1:23:49It

1:23:50>> next speaker is Jamie Salter.

1:23:55Good evening, ma'am.

1:23:57>> Good evening. I hope you're all well

1:23:58tonight. My name is Jamie Salter. I'm

1:24:00the executive director of Central Texas

1:24:03Theater at the Viva's Arts Society. You

1:24:05asked for data, so I'm going to throw

1:24:07some stuff at y'all since I only have

1:24:09three minutes. Um, I'm begging y'all to

1:24:12stop cutting the Clean Arts Commission

1:24:14funding. Um, it's killing us and we're

1:24:17doing our best out here in the streets.

1:24:19Um, last year we sold 11,500 tickets

1:24:23over the course of our season, which

1:24:25started in September and ended in

1:24:27August. 40 44.76%

1:24:31of those were from outside of the city

1:24:32limits.

1:24:341%, which I know seems tiny, but it's

1:24:37still 120 people were from outside of

1:24:39the state of Texas. I know personally

1:24:42people ranging from Houston, Dallas,

1:24:45Austin,

1:24:46um, Abalene coming down here to Colleen

1:24:49to see our shows. We also are bringing

1:24:52actors from Waco, Austin, and the

1:24:54surrounding areas to us. They come in

1:24:57four or five days a week for rehearsal.

1:24:59They are spending money. National data

1:25:02indicates that an average ticket goer or

1:25:04a ticket holder to a play that goes out

1:25:06on the town spends 38 uh $3846

1:25:11every time they go out if they are

1:25:13local. If they are from outside of the

1:25:15city, that number jumps up to $60.67

1:25:19every time they go see a show. If there

1:25:21is a thriving arts district, that number

1:25:25jumps up over $100.

1:25:29That's 11,500

1:25:31people spending that much money every

1:25:33time they go out to see a show at VA

1:25:35here in Colleen. And again, that's

1:25:3844.76%

1:25:40of them from outside of the city limits.

1:25:43Um,

1:25:44nearly half of our ticket sales, uh,

1:25:46which I just told you all about, and

1:25:48fully half of our corporate donations

1:25:50are from outside of the city limits as

1:25:52well, which means that money is coming

1:25:54back and being spent here because we

1:25:56have a pledge to spend as locally as

1:25:58possible. We can't always do that. We

1:26:00have highly specialized equipment that

1:26:02sometimes needs to come from outside of

1:26:03the city, but we do spend here as often

1:26:05as we can. We employ people that live

1:26:08here in the city and we have over 70

1:26:11contract employees that are all local

1:26:13that are spitting that money back here

1:26:14in the city as well. What the city of

1:26:17clean arts commission grant allows us to

1:26:20do also that I am incredibly passionate

1:26:24about I was an educator for clean ISD

1:26:26for years is keep our children's program

1:26:29free

1:26:31the parents of our kids and there are at

1:26:33least 50 kids in every produ children's

1:26:36theater production that we do and they

1:26:38don't have to pay any money um Temple

1:26:41Civic Theater charges $250 per kid to be

1:26:44in every one of those shows wake charges

1:26:46225. Georgetown Palace gets up to a

1:26:49thousand. We do three children's

1:26:51productions a year at with at least 50

1:26:54kids in them. We are working hard. If we

1:26:57lose more funding from the Clean Arts

1:26:59Commission, we're not going to be able

1:27:00to continue to do that and keep the

1:27:01doors open. Please, please stop and help

1:27:04us. Um, thank you very much.

1:27:10Okay. U council member um I mean Mayor

1:27:13Pro Tim,

1:27:15>> thank you. I just want to say thank you

1:27:17for making that statement. When we

1:27:18travel to NLC, which is the National

1:27:20League of Cities, um it did come up in

1:27:22conversation about how cities can

1:27:24generate revenue and tax base. One of

1:27:26the things that we had talked about here

1:27:27are we struggle with our revenue

1:27:29generation uh for our city. A lot of

1:27:31communities across the nation are using

1:27:34their arts district in many many ways

1:27:36and so that is what they're concerned. I

1:27:38wouldn't say low hanging fruit because

1:27:39it is difficult to get it going.

1:27:41However, cities are using it extremely

1:27:43uh well across the nation to generate as

1:27:46a revenue source for their community.

1:27:47So, something we should keep in mind and

1:27:49I'm sure we'll have conversations on

1:27:50that at a later time. Thank you,

1:27:53>> Council Member Nashki.

1:27:54>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council, and

1:27:56thank you for your um presentation. I

1:27:59was there this weekend for Trolls. Yes,

1:28:02ma'am. I am a big advocate of VA Arts

1:28:05Center and Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. And

1:28:08supporting that. And this is not only

1:28:11for our youth. They have young adults.

1:28:13They have people in my age range still

1:28:16still seasoned. Uh and the things that

1:28:19the types of place that they have, it's

1:28:21a variety. It's just like people love

1:28:24the rodeo, but there are those of us who

1:28:26love the arts. So for the city of

1:28:29Colleen, we are so diverse and to uh

1:28:33have the VA arts center and your

1:28:35passion. But what gets me is it free to

1:28:38our youth to come in our babies to come

1:28:41in and learn a talent. Everybody will

1:28:44not play football, softball, everybody's

1:28:46not academic, but to act and to just

1:28:49show your true talents, that is where it

1:28:53starts from. So I commend you for your

1:28:56presentation and I would hope the

1:28:58council will continue to support the

1:29:00arts. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council.

1:29:07Madam City Secretary,

1:29:10>> next speaker is Aaron Riddle.

1:29:18>> Hello, city council.

1:29:19>> Good evening, ma'am.

1:29:20>> Hi, my name is Aaron Riddle and I was

1:29:22born and raised here in Colleen. Some of

1:29:24my earliest childhood memories are

1:29:26walking through the doors of the Viva

1:29:28Arts Theater to see a show. More than uh

1:29:30two decades later, I have watched this

1:29:32theater change lives, including my own.

1:29:35Theater taught me how to stand in front

1:29:36of a room of people like this one and

1:29:38speak. It fostered confidence,

1:29:41creativity, leadership, collaboration,

1:29:43problem solving, and taught me how to

1:29:45work alongside people whose lives and

1:29:46experiences were different from my own.

1:29:49Because theater is not simply

1:29:50entertainment. It's a community of

1:29:53people coming together to create

1:29:54something that none of us could create

1:29:56alone. I've painted sets, designed

1:29:59graphics, sewn costumes, sung and

1:30:01danced, and made lifelong friendships

1:30:03there. I have watched children and

1:30:05adults walk through those doors, find

1:30:07their people, discover abilities they

1:30:09didn't know they had, and become more

1:30:11confident versions of themselves. And in

1:30:13a military community like ours, that

1:30:15sense of belonging matters. The theater

1:30:17has welcomed generations of service

1:30:19members, spouses, and military children.

1:30:22For families who arrive in Colleen

1:30:24knowing very few people, the theater

1:30:26gives them a place to build friendships,

1:30:28find community, and feel at home. It

1:30:31also gives people a reason to come to

1:30:33Colleen. They eat in our restaurants,

1:30:34they stay in hotels, they fill up on

1:30:36gas, and they spend money in our

1:30:38community. I understand that budgets

1:30:40require difficult decisions, but this

1:30:42theater has already weathered funding

1:30:44cuts. And potentially losing another

1:30:46$60,000 isn't just a line in a budget.

1:30:49It affects what this organization can

1:30:51produce. who it can reach and whether

1:30:53something Colleen has spent decades

1:30:55building can continue to thrive. I am

1:30:58asking you to preserve funding for the

1:30:59Colleen Arts Commission so that the next

1:31:01kid who walks through the doors of our

1:31:02community theater has the opportunity to

1:31:05discover what I did. And this year, our

1:31:08theater is celebrating its 50th season.

1:31:10The traditional gift for 50th

1:31:12anniversary is gold.

1:31:14And after, sorry, after half a century

1:31:18of giving to Colleen, the Central Texas

1:31:20Theater deserves better than to

1:31:22celebrate its golden anniversary with

1:31:23another funding cut.

1:31:29>> Thank you, Madam Secretary.

1:31:32>> Next speaker is Heather McMillan and she

1:31:35is virtual.

1:31:38>> Good evening, uh, council and staff. Uh,

1:31:41thank you for allowing me to speak

1:31:44remotely yet again. Um, I'm speaking

1:31:47today on RS26142,

1:31:51the sponsorship of the rodeo for 5 years

1:31:54of $250,000

1:31:56for $50,000 a year. I truly feel this

1:32:00should be increased to the same amount

1:32:02that we give the Mounted Warfare Museum.

1:32:05That would be $80,000 a year for a grand

1:32:07total of $400,000 for a five-year

1:32:10contract. The reason I suggest giving

1:32:13the rodeo more money is the rodeo offers

1:32:16so much more

1:32:18to the whole city. Many of you spoke of

1:32:21how it's great for veterans and military

1:32:23night, but let's not forget they also

1:32:25have Colleen City staff and KISD nights

1:32:28along with the donations to the food

1:32:30banks. It's not only an opportunity for

1:32:33the city to say thank you to so many

1:32:35citizens, but it also has brought in way

1:32:38more proven tourism revenue than the

1:32:40museum. I would also ask for you all to

1:32:43consider using some of the park and Rex

1:32:45funds that were allocated to the Rosa

1:32:47Hartford Community Center since it's not

1:32:50even open and there's no opening date to

1:32:53be utilized for the rodeo grounds to add

1:32:56more bathrooms and grandstands for

1:32:58additional seating at the rodeo grounds.

1:33:00The rodeo has a great opportunity to

1:33:02become bigger and better to add more

1:33:05additional resources and revenue to this

1:33:07city. That in return will bring in

1:33:10national notoriety with rodeo attendance

1:33:14from all over the world. And this will

1:33:16give this city a great family friendly

1:33:20event for all citizens.

1:33:22Even more money. It's a great cause and

1:33:25they have a proven track record to give

1:33:27the money back to the city and to the

1:33:30citizens. Thank you.

1:33:33>> Thank you, ma'am.

1:33:34>> There are no more speakers, your honor.

1:33:37>> Okay. Um,

1:33:39I take a two-minute break.

1:34:03Well, call this meeting back to order.

1:34:09We will now go into our regular session.

1:34:12Madam Secretary, consent item.

1:34:15Consent agenda, please.

1:34:19>> Consent agenda. Item two, MN-26-027.

1:34:24Consider minutes of regular city council

1:34:26meeting of July 7th, 2026.

1:34:29Item three, R S-26-136.

1:34:34Consider memorandum resolution

1:34:36authorizing the award of bid number

1:34:3827-01

1:34:40FY27 water and sewer annual supplies to

1:34:43multiple vendors based on awarded unit

1:34:45prices for aggregate expenditures in an

1:34:48amount of 1,40,000

1:34:51in fiscal year 2027.

1:34:53Item four, RS-26-137,

1:34:57consider memorandum resolution ratifying

1:35:00a meet and confer agreement with Kellen

1:35:02Police Employee Association FOP Lodge

1:35:0632.

1:35:08Item five, RS-26-138.

1:35:12Consider a memorandum resolution

1:35:14accepting the fiscal year 2025 BJA

1:35:17Edward Burn Memorial Justice Assistant

1:35:20Grant JAG grant and approval of

1:35:23interlocal agreement with the city of

1:35:25Temple and Bell County to administer the

1:35:27grant. Item 6 RS26-139

1:35:32consider a memorandum resolution

1:35:34granting operating authority to

1:35:36Ambulance Limousine and Executive

1:35:38Transportation LLC. Item seven, consider

1:35:42a memorandum resolution awarding RFP

1:35:452626 demolition and at bestestos

1:35:48abatement 2024th Street to Rmdi

1:35:52Companies, Inc. in the amount of

1:35:55$137,690.

1:35:58Item 8, RS-26-141,

1:36:03consider a memorandum resolution

1:36:05approving a fireworks display

1:36:07application from Big Dog Pyro LLC on

1:36:10behalf of Advent Health Medical Center.

1:36:15>> Council, I will entertain a motion with

1:36:18consent items. Council member Bass.

1:36:21>> Mayor, I [laughter] make a motion to

1:36:23accept the consent agenda.

1:36:26There's a motion by council member Bass,

1:36:28a second by uh second council member

1:36:30Nashki.

1:36:31>> Second, Mr. Mayor.

1:36:33>> Okay. Is there any discussion?

1:36:37Okay. Council member

1:36:40Okay. Um there is no discussion. All in

1:36:44favor signify by yes. If all oppose, no.

1:36:53Okay. Motion passes 70.

1:36:57Thank you, council.

1:36:59We will now go into our regular session

1:37:02resolutions for individual

1:37:03consideration. Madam Secretary,

1:37:07>> resolutions. Item number 9 RS-26-142.

1:37:12Consider a memorandum resolution

1:37:14authorizing a 5-year sponsorship

1:37:16agreement with Rodeo Colleen for the

1:37:19Khen Rodeo in the amount of $25,000.

1:37:24Okay. Uh, council member, uh, Miss

1:37:27McNair has reviewed. Would you like to

1:37:29see the presentation again?

1:37:32>> Okay. All right. Then I will entertain a

1:37:35motion. Council member uh, Nashki.

1:37:40>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to move

1:37:41to approve RS-26-142.

1:37:48>> Motion by Council Member Nash King. Um,

1:37:51second. Council member Bess.

1:37:54>> I second the motion, Mr. Mayor.

1:37:57>> Okay. Is there any discussion?

1:38:01Council member William,

1:38:05Council Member Brown,

1:38:10>> just clarifying

1:38:12the record that it's uh 250,000 for the

1:38:155-year agreement. uh but also asking the

1:38:19question that should we be in a better

1:38:22situation next fiscal year, could we

1:38:24decide to add money on to what we're

1:38:27giving to the rodeo? And for the record,

1:38:30Mr. Kaggel's nodding his head yes to

1:38:32that. So, thank you.

1:38:36>> Okay, if there's no more discussion, um

1:38:38all in favor signify by yes. All oppose,

1:38:41no.

1:38:51Motion pass 70 to zero.

1:38:54>> Thank you, council. Madame Secretary,

1:38:57next item.

1:38:58>> Item 10, RS-26-143.

1:39:02Consider a memorandum resolution

1:39:04appointing members to vacant, expired,

1:39:06and unexpired terms on various boards,

1:39:09commissions, and committees.

1:39:11Okay, Miss McGllen has went over this.

1:39:14Would y'all like for her to

1:39:18Council Member Nashki?

1:39:20>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. There was one that

1:39:22was [clears throat] still up we hadn't

1:39:23decided on and that was council member

1:39:26Ramon Alvarez was my recommendation and

1:39:29council member Brown. She recommended

1:39:32keeping the same people and I uh my

1:39:35statement was that he has a business and

1:39:37that's the one we have to decide.

1:39:39>> Yes. Yes. Thank you.

1:39:41>> Thank you, ma'am. Um, so we will um can

1:39:44we city attorney the names again for

1:39:47that

1:39:49>> particular one? Was that the main street

1:39:50board?

1:39:51>> For the main street board, yes. The

1:39:53recommend the nominations um were to

1:39:55keep the three current members, Daniel

1:39:57Watkins, Tony Ringold, and Joshua

1:39:59Pimton. And then there was also a

1:40:00recommendation nominate a nominee for

1:40:02Raone Alvarez. So, we have four

1:40:04nominations for three positions um that

1:40:07council will need to address before

1:40:08making a motion to approve the item as a

1:40:11whole.

1:40:12>> Okay. So, we suggest that we just go

1:40:14down each um each one. Okay. Uh so,

1:40:19let's just call the names out

1:40:21recommendations were

1:40:24>> I have a question.

1:40:26>> Council member

1:40:28Brown, you're recognized.

1:40:30>> Thank you.

1:40:32I know that Miss Ringold owns a business

1:40:35in downtown.

1:40:37Do either of the other board members

1:40:40currently own a business in downtown

1:40:42that we know of?

1:40:45>> Off the top of my head, I wouldn't know

1:40:46that information.

1:40:48>> Miss Measure.

1:40:50>> Excuse me, Miss Miss Measure.

1:40:55It's

1:40:55>> my understanding that all three

1:40:56currently own a business in downtown.

1:40:59And I thought that was part of the

1:41:00requirement to for these

1:41:03uh was that they had to have a business

1:41:05in downtown for the main street board

1:41:07and present.

1:41:08>> It's not a requirement, but my

1:41:10understanding is that all three do.

1:41:11>> So again, I'll go back to you since all

1:41:13three of these individuals

1:41:16um have businesses in downtown

1:41:20because they have started this board.

1:41:24it's new for that that sense of

1:41:27stability as they're getting everything

1:41:29going. I would still recommend that we

1:41:32maintain the three representatives that

1:41:34are there. They all have that equal

1:41:36investment.

1:41:40>> Okay. So,

1:41:43all in favor council member Nash.

1:41:47>> Thank you, M.

1:41:48>> I'm sorry. It's first council member

1:41:50Brown, then council member Nashking. You

1:41:53just already Okay. Well, I'm looking at

1:41:55this. Um, Council Member Nash King.

1:41:58>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. Uh, I

1:42:01I understand my colleagues um

1:42:04perspective on keeping all three of them

1:42:08uh and and and I don't really would have

1:42:10a problem with that. But also, I think

1:42:13uh uh having uh Mr. Avarest on there

1:42:17with the knowledge that he has not only

1:42:20in the business, not only being a fellow

1:42:22council member, but also I think more so

1:42:24than anything, his family. He grew up on

1:42:27that area of

1:42:30new fresh ideas to take us to the level

1:42:32that is needed to really highlight and

1:42:35continue the revitalization. Mr. Mayor,

1:42:38downtown Colleen, uh I'm not no

1:42:41disagreement with uh my f colleague,

1:42:43Council Member Brown. Great

1:42:44recommendation, but I think out of the

1:42:47three, one of them should be Council

1:42:48Member Alvarez. Thank you,

1:42:50>> Council Member Mckendendricks.

1:42:53[clears throat]

1:42:55>> Uh, I kind of agree with um, Coun

1:42:57Councilwoman um, Nash. Um, but also um,

1:43:01for to say um, I think there will still

1:43:04be continuity

1:43:06um, on that that board. um he has a

1:43:09wealth of knowledge to give and that

1:43:12that is what we're here for is to vote

1:43:16on it. I mean we can agree to disagree

1:43:19but the best thing to do is to just vote

1:43:21on it.

1:43:22>> Right.

1:43:23>> And that's all I got to say.

1:43:24>> Thank you. Council member Brown

1:43:28>> just like to ask um Councilwoman Nash

1:43:31which one of the three Mr. Alvarez is

1:43:36more qualified than

1:43:39so it might make it easier if you just

1:43:41recommend which seat you believe he

1:43:43should take.

1:43:48Okay. So what we will do I'm sorry.

1:43:51Continue. Ma'am.

1:43:54That's it. Okay. All right. We'll take

1:43:56it to a um Madam um city attorney. If I

1:44:00could make a recommendation or just a

1:44:02comment on the on the voting process, if

1:44:04you're going to take Main Street board

1:44:05separate from everything else, um

1:44:07because we've got four nominations,

1:44:09um if if it sounded like maybe you were

1:44:11going to go um one by one and vote for

1:44:14them, but if that's the case, you could

1:44:16potentially have a majority of you

1:44:17voting for each one of them and then

1:44:20we'd still have four people. So, um if

1:44:22my I could make a recommendation that

1:44:24that the motion be for the three people

1:44:26you want on the board all in one motion.

1:44:30Okay. So, um

1:44:34understand um

1:44:38we just need a motion for the three

1:44:40people that we would like to have on the

1:44:41board

1:44:44since there is a recommendation. So, um

1:44:49Council Member Brown,

1:44:53>> I move to nominate the three individuals

1:44:56currently on the board. Daniel Watkins,

1:44:58Tony Wrinkled, Joshua Peton.

1:45:03>> Is there a second?

1:45:08>> There's no second. A motion fail.

1:45:11Council member Nashking.

1:45:15>> Um, Mr. um,

1:45:18Council Mr. Solomon. Uh, Mayor Solomon,

1:45:22I make a motion to appoint U. Ramon

1:45:26Alvarez and remove uh Daniel Watkins.

1:45:32>> He would replace Mr. Daniel Watkins.

1:45:36>> Is there a second? Council member

1:45:38Williams.

1:45:40>> I second it. [clears throat]

1:45:43>> Okay. any discussion

1:45:46>> to and if I can clarify is the motion

1:45:49then that you're wanting to appoint

1:45:51Alvarez Ringold and Pimton

1:45:54>> because you're just wanting to replace

1:45:55Watkins. I'm I'm just

1:45:57>> Yes, ma'am. I should clarify that. Uh

1:46:00yes, ma'am. Thank you for count uh

1:46:02recognizing that. Uh you have to resend

1:46:05your second and I resend my uh motion.

1:46:10And Mr. Mayor, I would like to do a new

1:46:11motion, please. per the guidance of city

1:46:14attorney.

1:46:16>> City attorney.

1:46:19>> Yes, we've got we've we've got that.

1:46:21>> Okay. So, I would like to make a motion

1:46:23for the Main Street Board to appoint

1:46:26Tony Reno.

1:46:29Ramon Alvarez and Joshua Pleon.

1:46:34>> Pton.

1:46:35>> Okay. Is there uh second on that?

1:46:39>> Council member Williams.

1:46:40>> Yes, I second it. Okay, here's any

1:46:43discussion.

1:46:46No discussion. All in favor signify by

1:46:48yes. All oppose. No.

1:46:57Okay. The motion pass

1:47:01six

1:47:02to one with

1:47:06council member Brown

1:47:10opposing. Council

1:47:14member Brown,

1:47:18>> I move to approve the appointments to

1:47:20the remaining boards as discussed during

1:47:23the work session.

1:47:26>> Okay. Is there a second

1:47:30count?

1:47:31>> Council member Nash Brown seconded.

1:47:33[laughter]

1:47:34>> Nash King second.

1:47:35>> I'm sorry. Councilwoman,

1:47:37okay, Councilwoman Bry, I know we're

1:47:40sisters now, so hey, we can work with

1:47:42that. We can work with that.

1:47:44>> My apologies.

1:47:46[laughter]

1:47:46>> That's okay. That's okay.

1:47:48>> I didn't hear the motion to approve.

1:47:51>> Reate the motion. It was to accept the

1:47:54remaining recommendations made during

1:47:56the work session.

1:47:58>> This is not working.

1:48:04>> Yes. So we're this is not working. So um

1:48:07um all is there any discussion? There's

1:48:10no discussion. All in favor signify by

1:48:13send signify by yes. All oppose no.

1:48:24Motion pass 70.

1:48:26Thank you council. Again my apologies.

1:48:29We're not streaming.

1:48:34>> Can we ask Mayor Mayor?

1:48:36>> Yes.

1:48:37>> Mayor Comm is requesting a brief um a

1:48:41[clears throat] brief recess. We need to

1:48:43um reset something.

1:48:45>> We'll take a brief recess.

1:48:47>> Thank you.

1:48:52>> Okay.

1:48:54Call the meeting back to order.

1:48:58Madame City Secretary.

1:49:00>> Thank you, Council Member.

1:49:04>> Item 11, RS-26-144.

1:49:09Consider a memorandum resolution

1:49:10ratifying the city manager's approval of

1:49:13the emergency procurement for the

1:49:15Aendesero

1:49:17Emergency Sewer Repair and Contract with

1:49:19TTG Utilities, Inc. in the amount of

1:49:23$146,700.

1:49:27Council, Miss Ramirez, went over this.

1:49:30Would you like to see the presentation

1:49:32again? Okay. Um, I need a motion. Um,

1:49:38council member Kimbo.

1:49:41>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to approve

1:49:42RS26-144

1:49:45in the amount of 146700,000.

1:49:49Motion by council member

1:49:52>> Texas BCBSDX

1:49:55for the excess risk policy stop-loss

1:49:57insurance for medical and pharmacy

1:49:59claims under the city's health insurance

1:50:01plan effective October 1, 2026 in the

1:50:05amount of $1,59,582.

1:50:10>> Council, would you like for Miss

1:50:12McDaniel to make the presentation?

1:50:15Okay. May I have a get a motion? Um,

1:50:19okay. I'm not seeing anything. Um,

1:50:22Council Member Kimell,

1:50:23>> thank you, Mr. Mayor. I approve uh,

1:50:26excuse me, I move that we approve

1:50:27RS26-146

1:50:31uh, this under the U medical and

1:50:33pharmacy claim under the city health

1:50:34insurance plan effective October 1, 2026

1:50:37for an amount of 1,59,582.

1:50:42>> Motion by council me councilman Kimble.

1:50:45Can I get a second? Council member

1:50:47Williams.

1:50:48>> I second it.

1:50:50>> Okay. [clears throat] Is there any

1:50:51discussion? There's no discussion.

1:50:54Signify.

1:50:56If you

1:50:58Yes.

1:51:02All oppose. No.

1:51:09Motion pass 7 to zero. Thank you,

1:51:12council.

1:51:13>> Mr. Mayor, uh, we have another request

1:51:15to adjurnn or I'm sorry, take a recess

1:51:17for just a moment. We're having some

1:51:18technical issues.

1:51:21>> Okay. Council, if you could please stay

1:51:23near. Just would only take a second.

1:51:27Recess.

1:51:33>> We'll call the meeting back to order.

1:51:36Okay. We were

1:51:38>> resolution item 14, resolution RS26-147.

1:51:44Consider a memorandum resolution

1:51:46authorizing the submission of a defense

1:51:48economic adjustment assistance grant

1:51:50application to the Texas Military

1:51:53Preparedness Commission in an amount of

1:51:56$5 million for the resting facility

1:51:58improvements new fiber backbone project.

1:52:04Excuse me, but did we complete uh 13?

1:52:10>> Yes,

1:52:11>> we did get the vote. Okay.

1:52:15>> Okay. Council, uh would you like to

1:52:17review the presentation again?

1:52:21Need a motion. Council member

1:52:24Kimble.

1:52:27>> Here, Mr. Mayor. I um [clears throat]

1:52:29>> I move that we um

1:52:32uh 14 uh move resolution 26-147

1:52:36for the uh DAG the defense economic

1:52:38adjustment assistance grant for the

1:52:40amount of $5 million.

1:52:42>> Okay. Second. Council member

1:52:45>> second, sir.

1:52:46>> Okay. Is there any discussion?

1:52:49[clears throat and snorts]

1:52:51There's no discussion. All in favor

1:52:53signify by yes. All oppose. No.

1:53:12have all voted.

1:53:16Okay.

1:53:21Okay.

1:53:24City Secretary, should we vote by hand

1:53:27raising?

1:53:30>> Mr. Va Bass voted and Mr. Kendrick

1:53:32voted.

1:53:34>> Mr. Kendrick, there you go.

1:53:37>> Everyone voted.

1:53:41>> Could you repeat the vote, please?

1:53:43>> Um, the vote was seven to zero.

1:53:47>> Okay.

1:53:48>> Carried unanimously.

1:53:50>> Motion passed seven to zero. Thank you.

1:53:54Um,

1:53:55>> next item, item 15, RS-26-148,

1:54:01consider a memorandum resolution

1:54:03approving the Keen Arts Commission grant

1:54:05recommendations for fiscal year 2027.

1:54:10>> Council, would you like to review this?

1:54:15>> Can someone uh make a motion?

1:54:18Council member Neski,

1:54:21I'm sorry. Okay. Council member Brown,

1:54:27I'd like to ask a question before I make

1:54:30a motion. If I could.

1:54:34>> Okay.

1:54:36>> Miss Tanglin, do we have any additional

1:54:40money left in the hotel occupancy tax

1:54:43fund from FY26 that we might be able to

1:54:46use towards the arts for next year?

1:54:51uh the fund is actually very tight. Uh I

1:54:55will have to look into the funding uh

1:54:58because that they're they're they need a

1:55:00lot of operations. I mean uh that I

1:55:03don't even know if we have a 22% uh uh

1:55:05reserve fund balance in that fund right

1:55:07now. So I will have to look into the

1:55:09expenses.

1:55:10>> If that does prove to be that we do have

1:55:14anything available, we could do a budget

1:55:15amendment later. Correct.

1:55:17>> That's correct.

1:55:18>> Okay. And with that said, I move to

1:55:20approve RS-26-148.

1:55:25>> Is there a second? Council member

1:55:28Williams.

1:55:29>> Yes,

1:55:30>> I second it. [clears throat]

1:55:32>> Okay. Is there any discussion?

1:55:35Okay, there's no discussion. All in

1:55:37favor signify by yes. All oppose. No.

1:55:46Motion pass 70 to zero.

1:55:48Thank you, council.

1:55:52Okay, Madam City Secretary, public

1:55:54hearing.

1:55:58Public hearing 16, PH2631.

1:56:02Hold a public hearing and consider a

1:56:04request submitted by Rachel Shanks on

1:56:07behalf of Quantum 195 LLC, case Z26-13,

1:56:13to reszone approximately 4.88 88 acres

1:56:16being lot one block one Walnut Creek

1:56:19Estates phase 6 from A agricultural

1:56:22district to B3 local business district.

1:56:25The subject property is generally

1:56:27located northwest of the intersection of

1:56:29White Willow Court and South Fort Hood

1:56:32Street, Kellen, Texas.

1:56:34>> Good evening, ma'am.

1:56:35>> Good evening, Mayor and Council. Uh this

1:56:38item is a request to reszone

1:56:41approximately 4.8 8 acres on White

1:56:44Willow Court and South Fort Hood Street

1:56:46to uh B3. Uh Miss Shanks uh has

1:56:51submitted this request on behalf of

1:56:53Quantum 195 LLC to reszone the property

1:56:56from Agricultural to B3 with the intent

1:56:59of developing the property as a fuel

1:57:02station [clears throat] and associated

1:57:04restaurant and retail space. The red

1:57:07star on your screen indicates the

1:57:08location of that property. This is an

1:57:11aerial of the site. Uh you can see it's

1:57:14currently undeveloped uh and is located

1:57:17on the north side of White Willow Court

1:57:20uh in the west side of South Fort Hood

1:57:22Street. This is a view of the subject

1:57:23property from South Fort Hood Street.

1:57:26This is a view facing north

1:57:28and facing south.

1:57:31This is a view facing west on White

1:57:32Willow with the subject property on your

1:57:34right and a view of the adjacent

1:57:37property to the south.

1:57:40on your screen is the proposed uh

1:57:42concept plan for the proposed

1:57:44development. Uh as you can see, it would

1:57:46include a a convenience store with fuel

1:57:50pumps and a proposed retail and

1:57:52restaurant. Properties currently zoned a

1:57:55uh the properties to the north and south

1:57:57are zoned AR1.

1:58:00Properties located within the control

1:58:01growth area on the growth sector map and

1:58:03designated neighborhood commercial on

1:58:04the future land use map. We notified the

1:58:07surrounding nine surrounding property

1:58:08owners and we've received three

1:58:10responses in opposition.

1:58:12So on this map you can see that that all

1:58:15three of the adjacent property owners

1:58:16have submitted letters in opposition.

1:58:19The uh opposition on this map

1:58:22constitutes 58.1%

1:58:24of the uh 200 foot notification

1:58:27boundary.

1:58:29Um, if approved, the proposed

1:58:32development would require an 8-ft

1:58:34masonry screening device along the

1:58:36western and northern property lines uh

1:58:37in accordance with chapter 31. Staff

1:58:40does find that the request is consistent

1:58:42with the comprehensive plan and that the

1:58:43proposed development is compatible with

1:58:45the plan's vision to provide

1:58:47neighborhood scale commercial uses and

1:58:49services to nearby residents uh

1:58:52including fuel stations, restaurants,

1:58:54and general retail. We are therefore

1:58:56recommending approval of the request to

1:58:58reszone the property as presented. The

1:59:00planning and zoning commission uh on

1:59:02August 10th

1:59:05uh recommended approval of the request

1:59:07by a vote of 4 to3. There were uh three

1:59:11three adjacent property owners that

1:59:12spoke in opposition to the request

1:59:14during that public hearing. Uh,

1:59:16Commissioner Sabri, Jones, and Moss

1:59:18voted in opposition to the motion. Uh,

1:59:20and noted that they concurred with the

1:59:21neighboring property owners that this is

1:59:23not a suitable location for the proposed

1:59:25use. Uh,

1:59:27as I said, the opposition comprises

1:59:29approximately 58% of the notification

1:59:31boundary. And therefore, uh, in

1:59:34accordance to the local government code,

1:59:35approval of this request does require

1:59:37the affirmative vote of three4s of the

1:59:40governing body. So, I'm happy to answer

1:59:42any questions you may have.

1:59:45Council member Brown,

1:59:48>> I understand that one of the major

1:59:50points of contention for one of the

1:59:52neighboring properties is that the

1:59:55developer is trying to share a driveway.

2:00:01>> It's it's my understanding that if I can

2:00:03go back to the the location map, uh

2:00:07there's some question about the access

2:00:10opportunity from Fort Hood. Uh, and so

2:00:13the proposal would be to take access

2:00:15from White Willow and um

2:00:19potentially share share a driveway. Uh,

2:00:22I believe the applicant is here tonight

2:00:24can speak more to that.

2:00:26>> So, I I can tell you that I cannot

2:00:29support it if we're going to tell a

2:00:31private citizen that they have to share

2:00:32their driveway with a fuel station.

2:00:35I I don't think that is something that

2:00:37we should be imposing onto our citizens.

2:00:39So the request tonight as you know is

2:00:41just for the land use of the property

2:00:43and and the development uh of the

2:00:45property would be determined.

2:00:47>> You want to go that way then I don't

2:00:48think B3 is what we should be putting

2:00:50down 195 when it's prime industrial

2:00:53manufacturing corridor. Thank you.

2:01:00>> Okay. Council member Kimble.

2:01:04>> Thank you. Uh Mr. I think uh Miss Mench

2:01:06was started to talk about driveway and

2:01:09sharing a driveway before you were

2:01:11before you ended your conversation. What

2:01:13what what were we what were we going to

2:01:15say about sharing a driveway?

2:01:16>> Uh just that that the the item tonight

2:01:18is for for the zoning and that the site

2:01:20plan uh would be reviewed separately

2:01:23from from the zoning.

2:01:25>> Okay.

2:01:29>> Okay.

2:01:31Okay. Thank you. Um, no more questions,

2:01:35comments. Okay. Thank you, ma'am.

2:01:37>> Thank you so much. Uh, we invite the

2:01:40applicant to come up make any comments

2:01:42if he's he or she is here.

2:01:53>> Good evening, ma'am.

2:01:54>> Good evening, council. My name is Rachel

2:01:56Shanks. I have a presentation. I don't

2:01:58know.

2:02:07I don't want to overly repeat what staff

2:02:10had said. We originally brought this

2:02:12property to them while we were

2:02:13evaluating it and had it under contract

2:02:16on whether or not this use complied with

2:02:19the land use in the area and whether or

2:02:22not they would be in support of this

2:02:24use. And when after discussions with

2:02:26them, we move forward. I know there's

2:02:29kind of two big points I wanted to hit.

2:02:32Yeah. Um

2:02:35on this track, I think one I've been

2:02:37sitting in this council meeting,

2:02:39there's, you know, the request for more

2:02:42revenue in this area. And just to give

2:02:45you an idea, if this project does

2:02:47develop out its taxable base, the entire

2:02:50entire tax revenue would be about

2:02:52$700,000 and to the city of Colleen

2:02:55would be about 100 to 200 broken up

2:02:58between property and sales tax. The

2:03:01other item is, you know, I'm a local

2:03:04Texan. I've born and raised here. I have

2:03:08met with the land owners. I spent almost

2:03:11an hour with them after the PNZ meeting

2:03:13to hear their concerns. I've met with

2:03:16the the northern land owner and she's

2:03:18here tonight to speak about the the

2:03:20driveway miscommunication that's kind of

2:03:23blown up and where we're at today. We've

2:03:25reached an agreement and understanding

2:03:27with her. She can relate to that. I've

2:03:29also spoken to our property owner to the

2:03:33west and his concern. So, we're here to

2:03:36be good property owners and neighbors.

2:03:40We're also here to comply with what the

2:03:43city wants for this area and why they

2:03:46have basically annexed along 195 for tax

2:03:51revenue and comply with that. So, that's

2:03:55that's where I'm at. Again, I don't want

2:03:57to repeat much of the staff's

2:03:58presentation.

2:04:00Um, at the time I had sent out letters

2:04:02because I hadn't heard back from anybody

2:04:04at PNZ. I have since then spoken to them

2:04:06at this meeting. I am I guess proposing

2:04:10two options and in talking to Raphael,

2:04:12which is my western neighbor, is to

2:04:15postpone any sort of vote. He would like

2:04:18to have more time to discuss with me the

2:04:21project and fully understand. And so

2:04:23that's kind of for tonight. I I'm more

2:04:27asking for a postponement. I I think it

2:04:29is so important that the neighbors

2:04:30around us understand that I can hear and

2:04:33address their concerns with um Lydia to

2:04:37my north. She had concerns about her

2:04:39dogs and fencing and and screening

2:04:42requirements. We worked with that

2:04:43through her with her. We made sure that

2:04:45we would have an agreement acknowledging

2:04:48notification and anything of that

2:04:50nature. And with Raphael, I want to be

2:04:52able to do the same, understand his

2:04:54concerns, explain the project and the

2:04:56process. And so, while I hadn't spoke to

2:05:00him before coming here tonight, um, and

2:05:03that's why I had these two options, I

2:05:05really am leaning more towards I'd like

2:05:07to postpone any sort of vote. I'd like

2:05:09to give more time to the property owners

2:05:12and hear their concerns and address

2:05:14anything that we can reasonably.

2:05:18>> Okay.

2:05:20Um,

2:05:22you have any questions for the

2:05:23applicant? Council member Nashki. Thank

2:05:26you, Miss Shanks. Uh, you are a class

2:05:29act. Thanks. You know, very seldom, like

2:05:31I stated before, I've been on here since

2:05:342017 and I can only recall one other

2:05:38developer or builder that would came

2:05:40before us and and the residents were not

2:05:43happy and they postponed it until they

2:05:47got 100% agreement and that tells me the

2:05:50character of you, what kind of person

2:05:52you are. I thank you for that. That that

2:05:54was a that was that a class act right

2:05:56there. I like that. I like that. But

2:05:59great move. Great move because because I

2:06:00I had my f fellow councilwoman uh my

2:06:05sister down there Brown and and my

2:06:07concerns was those concerns. I thank

2:06:09Mrs. Mesher for bringing us back on the

2:06:12agenda item uh in reference to it's not

2:06:15about what will be built, it's the

2:06:18zoning of it, and I thank her for that.

2:06:20But uh postponing it will be a class act

2:06:22until you get all approval. Thank you.

2:06:26>> Okay, there's no other questions. Um

2:06:29thank you ma'am. Thank you so much.

2:06:33Okay, I'm now opening up the public

2:06:35hearing.

2:06:38Public hearing is open.

2:06:39>> First speaker is Raphael Garcia.

2:06:52Good evening sir.

2:06:57>> Good evening Mr. Mayor. Good evening

2:06:58council. My name is Rafael Garcia. New

2:07:02things for me is this. You know being

2:07:04the forum before but not like this for

2:07:06the army. It's completely different. I'm

2:07:08opposed one of the neighbor I'm opposed

2:07:10of this project as you have in the in

2:07:13your folder. We have a three pasophino

2:07:16horses.

2:07:18They are critical at this point. We have

2:07:20only 2,500 in all war. We lucky we have

2:07:24three.

2:07:26The point on this one is the contrion

2:07:29going to affect the environment.

2:07:34How can you say it's like a when you are

2:07:36in the war everything around you is

2:07:37different. That's going to be happen

2:07:39with the horses too. We try to keep this

2:07:41bridge alive

2:07:43with this contraption. By the way, put

2:07:46in the side is a gas station and you

2:07:49know from 195 to the end of 195 we have

2:07:52eight gases station this one going to be

2:07:55nine plus two in Florence is going to be

2:07:5711 in the 40 uh 40 minutes ride. That's

2:08:02just on the side. But our horses is our

2:08:05love.

2:08:07We have those horses for 12 years. The

2:08:11mayor is six years and the boy, the

2:08:13leader one is five years. We call the

2:08:15little boy. We take care them. We don't

2:08:18hire anyone to do it. We feeding in the

2:08:20morning, in the afternoon, night. We

2:08:22grooming. We do everything because we

2:08:24try to keep our heritage. That is the

2:08:27horses alive.

2:08:29It's not easy to say Apaloosa

2:08:33Man or Cole

2:08:35that's a horses American horses and we

2:08:37respect them but they have plenty ours

2:08:41only 200 2,500 in the world we try to

2:08:44keep it that way

2:08:46and my wife is not here that's my

2:08:48support she's working but I know she

2:08:51going to be with me in this one the

2:08:53second point is the drainage that we

2:08:56have in our house I give you photo right

2:08:58there from the side from the top to the

2:09:01bottom. We living in the end of the

2:09:04court sack

2:09:06when [clears throat] we buy the land. We

2:09:08don't know anything about that. We don't

2:09:10know. We are naive about lands all that

2:09:12kind of stuff. So now we know it's a

2:09:15little bit flourish every time it's

2:09:16raining a lot there. We we make a

2:09:22French drain on side of the house

2:09:25because a little water there can be

2:09:27affect the foundation. Now the new

2:09:29construction the water going to find the

2:09:32way no matter what

2:09:34and we need to avoid that. Ah we want to

2:09:36avoid that. It's a warehouse and the

2:09:38property is beautiful. When you get

2:09:40there you realize in the outside you see

2:09:44a different animal go back and forth.

2:09:46something that we dreaming when you

2:09:49retire. This is my space heaven there. I

2:09:53fighting for this one. My wife too plus

2:09:56the animals. It's really heavy for us. I

2:09:59appreciate you listening to me. Any

2:10:00question, please let me know.

2:10:03>> That's all I got. Sir,

2:10:04>> thank you sir.

2:10:05>> Thank you. You have a wonderful evening.

2:10:08Uh

2:10:08>> council member Brown.

2:10:10[clears throat]

2:10:12Sir,

2:10:12>> sir, sir.

2:10:16>> Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

2:10:18>> Mr. Garcia, the applicant had indicated

2:10:21that you were willing to sit down and

2:10:22speak with her. Um, do you foresee that

2:10:26happening and being something you might

2:10:28change your mind over the next two

2:10:30weeks?

2:10:31>> It's not changed my mind. It's not

2:10:33change my mind. It's of course I need my

2:10:36partner to make decision. 40 years

2:10:38marriage, you I don't know you guys, but

2:10:40I cannot make it on my own.

2:10:42Thank [laughter] you, sir.

2:10:43>> I can't.

2:10:44>> But we still strong to save our animals.

2:10:49Really strong about that. And she was

2:10:52right. She talked to she sent a letter

2:10:54to us a little bit late. Came the mail.

2:10:57It's no problem with that. And she told

2:10:59postpone it. I agree with that. So I can

2:11:01talk to the first lady and start talking

2:11:04back and forth that we going to be on

2:11:07the NGS or not.

2:11:10That's I cannot say that now, you know.

2:11:13>> Thank you. Thank you,

2:11:14>> Council Member Neski.

2:11:16>> Anyone else?

2:11:17>> Thank you. Um, Mr. Mayor. Oh, sir. My

2:11:20question is for Mrs. Measure and our

2:11:22city attorney. Thank you.

2:11:24>> Thank you.

2:11:25>> Is that okay with you, Mr. Mayor?

2:11:28>> Yes, ma'am. You're fine.

2:11:30>> Thank you.

2:11:31>> Thank you, sir.

2:11:32>> Uh, yeah. Thank you. So, um the

2:11:36applicant um stated that she may be

2:11:39postponing it. So, once the um public

2:11:43the mayor closes, Mayor Solomon closes

2:11:45the meeting. When do we know if she's

2:11:47going to post postpone it before we vote

2:11:50tonight or she already told you she

2:11:53wants to?

2:11:53>> It's my understanding that she's

2:11:54requested to postpone action. So you

2:11:57would still hold the public hearing and

2:11:58then you could postpone action or or

2:12:01table the item until the next regular

2:12:03meeting.

2:12:06>> Yeah.

2:12:06>> Thank you.

2:12:07>> Miss Yes. Mayo.

2:12:09>> Yes. I think that course of action would

2:12:11be if if the council wants to postpone

2:12:13the item, continue the public hearing,

2:12:15close the public hearing, and then the

2:12:16council can take action, including um to

2:12:19postpone the item if you want.

2:12:20>> Yes, ma'am. Thank you both. Thank you,

2:12:21Mr. Mayor. I just needed some clarity.

2:12:24Thank you,

2:12:25>> Madam Secretary. Um, any other names?

2:12:29>> Next speaker is

2:12:31Michael Fornino.

2:12:46The dimension of basically an endangered

2:12:48species. That's something I was not

2:12:49aware of. what we consider preservation

2:12:52of heritage. We're all talking about

2:12:53this main street stuff and all that.

2:12:55First off, I mean, with this downtown

2:12:57nonsense, in my opinion, you have all

2:12:59this historic district. I don't think

2:13:01you could find 10 people within a mile

2:13:03that could tell you what any of the I'm

2:13:06making a point, sir.

2:13:08>> Where you where you can find 10 people

2:13:10within a mile of here that could tell

2:13:11you why any of these buildings are

2:13:13historic or significant. Meanwhile, I

2:13:16mean, I just found out tonight 2500 left

2:13:19on the planet.

2:13:21I mean, with this town, we waste so many

2:13:24opportunities for everything.

2:13:28And largely that comes from anybody over

2:13:31the years who sat up here. We've lost

2:13:33Toyota. We've lost Dell. Several other

2:13:37opportunities. As Councilwoman Brown

2:13:39pointed out, that land along 195 is

2:13:42prime industrial. Okay. How many gas

2:13:44stations do we need in this town?

2:13:46Another one on the 195 corridor to

2:13:49remind people, hey, quick stop for fuel

2:13:51for your jobs that exist outside of

2:13:53Keen, Flugerville, Georgetown, Austin,

2:13:56some even in San Antonio. I mean,

2:13:58where's all this forward thinking? Every

2:14:00time I say this council over the

2:14:02iterations of the years, oh, we have

2:14:04lots of forward thinking. Where is it?

2:14:06I'm not seeing it. Especially not with

2:14:08this. Then you add in the dimension of a

2:14:12very rare horse breed. I just looked it

2:14:14up on Wikipedia and just did a lot of

2:14:15quick reading. I see one council member

2:14:18finds that very humorous. I mean, what

2:14:20what do we preserve in this town? What

2:14:22do we save?

2:14:25195 corridor. That's the last place that

2:14:27we can build anything that can produce

2:14:30real jobs beyond a gas station, a

2:14:32chicken joint, or the odd vape shop.

2:14:35Yeah, they're small businesses on paper,

2:14:37but that's not paying the bills around

2:14:38here, not for the people. Well, you get

2:14:41an assistant manager job at a gas

2:14:43station and I guess you could do all

2:14:44right, but for crying out loud, knock it

2:14:47off. Okay, I'm I'm not against somebody

2:14:49earning a buck, but how how

2:14:54flooded

2:14:55in a certain market share do we need

2:14:57around here? Fast food joints, we sell

2:14:59we have articles in the paper

2:15:01celebrating a new chicken joint. I mean,

2:15:03this small profits, quick returns,

2:15:05that's not a long-term sustainment plan.

2:15:09Cry out loud. Use the resources that we

2:15:11have and work around it. I mean, the

2:15:13gentleman here, do you want to be the

2:15:15council that presides over helping to

2:15:17extinguish a species on the planet? I'm

2:15:20not known to be a tree hugger, but I

2:15:22really hate waste. Wasted potential,

2:15:25wasted thought, wasted money, wasted

2:15:27effort.

2:15:29This is a very unique opportunity.

2:15:32I mean, I again, I have nothing against

2:15:34anybody ern. I don't know the applicant

2:15:37personally. I don't know anything about

2:15:38her. But come on, use common sense. I

2:15:43would like to see that for once.

2:15:46Anything other than this is a more

2:15:48workable option for the citizens of

2:15:49Kheen and not just one or two people.

2:15:58>> Council member Kendrick.

2:16:00Can I can I address the city?

2:16:05>> Yes, you can.

2:16:07>> Yeah. No. Um

2:16:12um city manager, I want to know how much

2:16:15land does Khalena own down 195.

2:16:22>> Well, as far as own, we we don't own

2:16:24any, but I think you're asking what's in

2:16:26the city limits.

2:16:28Uh yes sir.

2:16:30>> Well it's a a thousand foot strip from

2:16:33the middle of the highway. So um I I

2:16:37don't know what the the total of that

2:16:39would be. It's as you saw in the map

2:16:42it's very narrow strip. The the reason

2:16:44behind that narrow strip was I mean the

2:16:49political landscape's changed

2:16:50tremendously. The idea at that point was

2:16:53to annex the strip and push your ETJ out

2:16:56as far as possible. lots lots of cities

2:16:59did it. It was a very very effective uh

2:17:02tool in the past when cities could

2:17:04annex.

2:17:06Don't have that ability anymore. So, um

2:17:11unless someone voluntarily wants to come

2:17:14into the city limits, that's that is not

2:17:17going to expand.

2:17:19>> All right, that that answered my

2:17:21question. What I wanted to know

2:17:22basically um in [clears throat] in a

2:17:25nutshell is we don't control it

2:17:28>> not outside that thousand foot strip.

2:17:30>> Thank you sir.

2:17:37>> See you secretary.

2:17:39>> Next speaker is Ana Naidu.

2:17:47>> Thank you councel mayor. I was contacted

2:17:49by the owner of the property just north

2:17:52of the subject property and there was a

2:17:54concern about the share driveway at some

2:17:57point. The developer wanted to

2:18:01somehow convince the owner of the

2:18:03property north to the north that uh it

2:18:06would be fine to share her driveway.

2:18:08She's completely against that. So, for

2:18:11that reason, I was against and I

2:18:14contacted two of the council members. It

2:18:16was confirmed that she's not obligated

2:18:18to share her driveway and apparently

2:18:20this situation has been resolved now

2:18:24that um the horses are being brought up.

2:18:27I don't even know what to think, but I

2:18:28do appreciate the fact that the

2:18:30applicant is willing to

2:18:32pause it and discuss, and that means

2:18:36that that says a lot. Um as it is like

2:18:39for me, I'm I'm for it. I think we need

2:18:41the development, but I do appreciate the

2:18:44developer pausing and talking to the

2:18:47neighbors. Thank you.

2:18:49>> Thank you, ma'am. Madam Secretary,

2:18:54>> no more speakers on this item.

2:18:57>> She's signed up.

2:18:58>> Y

2:19:02>> she's the owner of the property.

2:19:04>> Thank you, Madam City Secretary.

2:19:07>> I apologize.

2:19:14Good evening, ma'am. Uh

2:19:16>> my name is Lydia Freeze and I have been

2:19:19living 26 years, no sorry, 22 years on

2:19:22that property. Uh we moved out so I

2:19:26wanted some rooms for my dogs to run to

2:19:29roam. We got six acres and uh we fenced

2:19:33it well and due to the dogs I did not

2:19:36want to share an entrance. Now that was

2:19:39cleared up. I knew from the beginning on

2:19:42because we had that wide frontage that

2:19:46eventually we would be uh commercialized

2:19:51that uh it's always been in the United

2:19:54States uh left and right of the highways

2:19:57the major ones you have for to the north

2:20:01you have copper cove to uh to the west

2:20:05you have hacker heights to the east you

2:20:07can only go south there's 30,000 cars

2:20:10going by every day. It's getting loud.

2:20:13Uh but I knew that I got that property

2:20:16so if nobody could complain if my dogs

2:20:18bark and uh but like I said, we were

2:20:22aware that they we had that extra wide

2:20:24stretch in front of the house, I mean of

2:20:27the property. Uh so we we were aware

2:20:30eventually it would happen. And when

2:20:32that happens, um, like I said, I'm dead

2:20:36set against sharing any kind of

2:20:39entrance, but I'm moving on and, uh, I

2:20:44find another property in the country for

2:20:46my dogs and this time I will not be next

2:20:49to a highway. [laughter]

2:20:52So, um, yeah, that is, um, I talked to

2:20:58Miss Shank. she is very uh uh gracious

2:21:02about uh paying attention when they

2:21:05build the fence or something uh that

2:21:08it's behind me that my dogs do not

2:21:10cannot get underneath and uh so I'm fine

2:21:14with that and um

2:21:20I wish her luck. I I I hope the other

2:21:25people uh I I feel sorry for for the

2:21:28horses. I tell you that I cuz they're

2:21:32not on the highway. They behind and that

2:21:36is very hard and I'm an animal lover.

2:21:39You know, I see how hard they work to

2:21:42keep their animals happy, their horses.

2:21:44I mean, they work hard on it. And uh

2:21:49my heart is a little bit bleeding on you

2:21:51know but

2:21:53due to the size of the frontage I was

2:21:56aware that it will happen and uh Kylen

2:22:01has only one way to grow and that's

2:22:03house and at 30,000 cars passing my

2:22:07property every day uh it it's going to

2:22:10be like career creek. When I first came

2:22:12in 2000, there was nothing. But look at

2:22:16it now and it's just gross of a city.

2:22:19And I come from a major European city,

2:22:22so I'm used to it. And uh yeah, I I just

2:22:27hope everybody gets a little bit out of

2:22:30it as as much as they can for

2:22:33themselves. And uh I wish everybody well

2:22:36in the in the progress. That's it.

2:22:40>> Thank you.

2:22:42Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you

2:22:45so much. Uh uh council member Brown.

2:22:52>> Question for Miss Me. Miss Measure.

2:23:03So this entire uh proposed B5 strip mall

2:23:07would be on septic.

2:23:12>> I believe that's correct. Yes,

2:23:14>> we don't have any we don't have any

2:23:17where how far is it from the proposed

2:23:20tract to the nearest sanitary sewer

2:23:22line?

2:23:23>> I would have to defer that question to

2:23:26um perhaps Mr. Zers. I I off the top of

2:23:29my head I don't know.

2:23:31I mean, you can roughly say up to

2:23:33Chapperel, pretty pretty close. The the

2:23:35the cost to do that, it would probably

2:23:37it's going to require a lift station

2:23:39would far exceed the value of the

2:23:42property plus improvements.

2:23:44Feel feel served to that.

2:23:47>> Yeah. So, that that brings other

2:23:50concerns to me

2:23:53um as far as

2:23:57as far as that. And then the water

2:23:58service out there is their home.

2:24:03>> No,

2:24:04>> we don't we don't have a CCN in that

2:24:06area. I don't know exactly who it is.

2:24:07It's either West Bell or it's

2:24:08Georgetown. And I I think that area that

2:24:11Georgetown has out there is about to

2:24:13transfer as well. But it's not City of

2:24:15Colleen that would be providing water

2:24:17service. And no one has a sewer CC in in

2:24:20that area.

2:24:21>> And there's no storm water storm sewer

2:24:24infrastructure out in there.

2:24:25>> No. I I think that one of the primary

2:24:29things within our 2040 plan was making

2:24:33sure that before we start growing to an

2:24:36area, we have the infrastructure already

2:24:38in place for it. We've told the state um

2:24:43that we're actively working on ensuring

2:24:46that we have zero uh septic tanks within

2:24:50the city.

2:24:52So to start adding septic tanks for more

2:24:55commercial properties, especially large

2:24:58ones.

2:25:00Um I understand this is a zoning case,

2:25:03but as a B5 that wants to be or B3 that

2:25:07wants to be a gas station, that's a lot

2:25:08of toilet flushes.

2:25:11Um

2:25:13and so I I am a little concerned about

2:25:16that. Um,

2:25:20and again, I do not want to see our 195

2:25:23corridor become a tract full of gas

2:25:26stations and strip malls. I think the

2:25:29value of it is in the ability to market

2:25:33it for manufacturing and industrial. The

2:25:36more lots that we put as B3 and B5, the

2:25:39less opportunity we have for

2:25:41manufacturing and industry.

2:25:43>> Thank you. Uh, council member, your

2:25:45time's up. Council member Nesh King.

2:25:47>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Mr. um Miss

2:25:50Meer.

2:25:52The the issue we're discussing, Mr.

2:25:54Mayor, we got to stay on agenda. It's

2:25:57zoning. I I don't want to say anything

2:26:01on and I have the utmost respect for

2:26:03Councilwoman Brown, but if we're we're

2:26:06we're voting on zoning, we need to stay

2:26:08on zoning. Anything about how it develop

2:26:11after that is not an agenda item. the

2:26:13the nice miss uh lady has already stated

2:26:17that she's taking it off the agenda

2:26:19which uh she's going to postpone it. So

2:26:21I I'm just asking Mr. Mayor and for any

2:26:24item moving forward that we stay on the

2:26:27agenda

2:26:29and if we're talking about public

2:26:31hearing is zoning, it has to be zoning.

2:26:34>> Thank you.

2:26:37>> Thank you.

2:26:39Thank you, Miss Mitch. Sir,

2:26:42>> Madam City Secretary,

2:26:46>> now there are no more speakers.

2:26:48>> Okay, there's no more speakers in public

2:26:51hearing is closed.

2:26:54Okay, Madame City Secretary.

2:26:58Next item.

2:27:01>> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Uh my

2:27:03apologies. Uh uh

2:27:07Council Member Neski.

2:27:11>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to approve

2:27:14postponing

2:27:16uh the council voting on PH-26-031

2:27:22reszoning.

2:27:26>> Is there a second? Council member Nash,

2:27:28Council Member Kendricks.

2:27:33I second it.

2:27:36Is there any discussion?

2:27:39>> Council me Mayor Pro Tim.

2:27:42>> Uh to council member Nash King, it was

2:27:45recommended to postpone to the next

2:27:47council meeting. Is that the

2:27:48recommendation, ma'am, to be included in

2:27:50your motion?

2:27:51>> No, ma'am. Um Miss Meer nor the

2:27:53applicant gave a date. So I'm just one.

2:27:56>> Yes, ma'am.

2:27:57>> Oh, I'm sorry. Next council me.

2:27:59>> That's that was the recommendation. I

2:28:01can confirm that, but that was the

2:28:02recommendation. Yes, ma'am.

2:28:03>> Okay, Kendrick, resend, please. Thank

2:28:06you. No, thank you for being positive

2:28:08and pointing that out to me.

2:28:10>> I will resend my motion.

2:28:12>> And I re your second

2:28:14>> my I'll resend my second.

2:28:16>> And I resend my motion. So, Mr. Mayor

2:28:18will say it state it again. Thank you.

2:28:21Um, I would like to move to approve

2:28:24postponing

2:28:26RS26-031

2:28:30until our next council meeting, which is

2:28:33on

2:28:35>> What date is the next council meeting?

2:28:38>> October 6th.

2:28:39>> October 6th.

2:28:41Well, I I think it's better if you say

2:28:43the next regular council meeting because

2:28:45you've got an agenda item tonight where

2:28:47you're talking about changing the date

2:28:49>> because of the concept.

2:28:50>> The next regular council meeting. Thank

2:28:52you, Mr. Kagel. Because you're right,

2:28:54that is on the agenda.

2:28:56>> Okay. It was a motion by council member

2:28:59Nash King. Is there a second? Council

2:29:01Council Member Kendricks.

2:29:03>> Uh I'd like to second that motion.

2:29:06>> Okay. Is there any discussion?

2:29:08>> Yes, sir. Thank you all for that

2:29:09correction.

2:29:11>> Council member Williams.

2:29:14Okay. Is there no discussion? Um all in

2:29:16paper signify by yes. All oppose. No.

2:29:26Motion pass

2:29:29six to one

2:29:32with Council Member Brown

2:29:35opposing.

2:29:38Okay, let's go. Um, Madame Secretary,

2:29:43next item.

2:29:45>> Next item number 17, PH-26-032,

2:29:51hold a public hearing and consider city

2:29:54initiated request case Z26-14

2:29:58to reszone approximately 25.101 101

2:30:01acres out of the GW Allison survey.

2:30:05Abstract number 52 and RA McGee survey

2:30:08abstract number 561 from Agricultural

2:30:12District to and B3

2:30:15local business district to B4 business

2:30:17district with a CUP conditional use

2:30:20permit for an automotive wrecking and

2:30:22salvage yard. The subject property is

2:30:25locally addressed at 12077 South Fort

2:30:28Hood Street, Galen, Texas.

2:30:31>> You have the floor again, Smasher.

2:30:34>> Thank you, Mayor Councel. This item is

2:30:37uh for consideration of a city initiated

2:30:40request to reszone the property at 12077

2:30:45uh from a agricultural to uh and B3 to

2:30:49B4 with a conditional use permit for an

2:30:51automotive uh automotive wrecking and

2:30:54salvage yard. Uh,

2:30:58as you know, during your regular meeting

2:31:01on July 21st, council approved a motion

2:31:03of direction for staff to bring back a

2:31:05city initiated uh, resoning of this

2:31:08property. The existing business is

2:31:10considered legal non-conforming and is

2:31:12therefore subject to the provisions in

2:31:14chapter 31 that state that a

2:31:16non-conforming structure cannot be

2:31:17expanded or rebuilt in case of total

2:31:19destruction. Approval of this item will

2:31:21bring the current use of the property

2:31:23into compliance with the zoning

2:31:24ordinance. red star on your screen

2:31:26indicates location of that property.

2:31:29Uh this [snorts]

2:31:30uh the blue outline uh indicates the

2:31:33boundary of the subject property. As you

2:31:35can see, it's zoned a combination of

2:31:37agricultural and B3.

2:31:40This is an aerial of the site.

2:31:44It's a view of the subject property from

2:31:45South Fort Hood Street facing west.

2:31:48View of the property

2:31:50uh again from South Fort Hood Street.

2:31:53view facing north and facing south.

2:31:57Property is located within the

2:31:59neighborhood infill area on the gross

2:32:00sector map and designated re regional

2:32:02commercial on the future land use map.

2:32:05Property owner did submit a signed

2:32:07consent form for the city initiated

2:32:08resoning on August 3rd. We notified the

2:32:11property owners of 32 surrounding

2:32:14properties regarding this request and

2:32:16we've received four written responses in

2:32:17support.

2:32:20This map shows the uh notification

2:32:23boundary and the green stars indicate

2:32:26those properties that have submitted

2:32:28letters in support of the request.

2:32:30Zast recommendation is for approval of

2:32:32the city initiated resoning um to be for

2:32:36with a conditional use permit subject to

2:32:38the following six conditions. First,

2:32:40that use of the property as an

2:32:41automotive wrecking or salvage yard uh

2:32:44is allowed to include storing,

2:32:46dismantling, crushing, recycling, uh

2:32:49[clears throat] and would be permitted

2:32:50within the boundaries of the existing

2:32:5225.101 acre property. That storage of

2:32:55parking and vehicles on unimproved

2:32:57surfaces is permitted within the

2:32:58boundaries of the existing property.

2:33:01>> [snorts]

2:33:01>> that additional accessory structures can

2:33:03be added uh within the the boundary of

2:33:06the property subject to building code

2:33:09requirements and approval of applicable

2:33:10permits. that replacement of the

2:33:12existing screening device is not

2:33:14required, but that expansion of the

2:33:16automotive wrecking or salvage yard

2:33:18beyond the boundaries of the existing

2:33:19property would require the business to

2:33:21come into compliance with all applicable

2:33:23city standards, including but not

2:33:25limited to landscaping, screening,

2:33:26lighting, signage, and all weather

2:33:28surface parking requirements. Uh five,

2:33:33that the conditional use permit may

2:33:34expire or be repealed in accordance uh

2:33:37with chapter 31. um and that violations

2:33:41of any conditions imposed by this

2:33:43ordinance or other requirements uh of

2:33:45the code of ordinances may result in

2:33:47revocation of the cup.

2:33:50Planning and zoning on August 10th

2:33:51recommended approval by a vote of 7 to

2:33:53zero and I'm happy to answer any

2:33:55questions you may have.

2:33:58>> Council member Brown,

2:34:02>> I'm sorry. I just thought about the fact

2:34:05under the uh conditions and the uses

2:34:07that are applicable,

2:34:10will that still allow the applicant to

2:34:13sell the secondhand parts that from the

2:34:15dismantled vehicles? Yes. And would it

2:34:19still allow them to utilize uh to do the

2:34:23used car sales that they have on the

2:34:24property?

2:34:28>> The underlying zoning would be B4. So, I

2:34:30would I would say yes. Okay. I just

2:34:33wanted to clarify that and make sure

2:34:35that there's no part of their business

2:34:37that we would be interfering with.

2:34:40>> The conditional use permit is an overlay

2:34:41over B4. So, I would say that any use

2:34:43that's allowed by writing B4 is also

2:34:44allowed.

2:34:45>> Okay. I just wanted to make sure we had

2:34:46that clarified. Thank you.

2:34:51>> Okay. If there's no other comments going

2:34:54to open public hearing.

2:34:57Public hearing is now open. Madam

2:34:59Secretary, call the first name.

2:35:04First speaker is Michael Fernino.

2:35:18>> It's actually a good idea. Approve it.

2:35:23>> Madam Secretary,

2:35:30>> Mrs. Freeze, did you want to speak to

2:35:32this one as well?

2:35:33>> I apologize.

2:35:35>> Did you wish to speak to this item

2:35:38>> about the salvage yard?

2:35:39>> No.

2:35:40>> Okay. Thank you. There are no more

2:35:42speakers. Mr. Mayor,

2:35:44>> I apologize.

2:35:48>> Okay. There's no more speakers.

2:35:52I'll now close public hearing.

2:35:57Council.

2:35:58Uh, need a motion. Council member

2:36:01Kimble.

2:36:04>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that um we

2:36:06approve PH26-032.

2:36:12>> Council member Neskin.

2:36:13>> Second.

2:36:15>> Any discussion?

2:36:17There's no discussion. All in favor

2:36:20signify by yes.

2:36:23All oppose. No.

2:36:29Motion carry 70 to zero. Thank you,

2:36:31council.

2:36:32Madame secretary, next item.

2:36:39>> Item 18, PH-26-033.

2:36:44hold a public hearing and consider an

2:36:46ordinance amending the fiscal year 2026

2:36:50annual budget of the city of Kellen to

2:36:53increase revenue and expense accounts in

2:36:56multiple funds and the ordinance caption

2:36:59reads an ordinance of the city council

2:37:01of the city of Keen amending the FY2026

2:37:06annual budget of the city of Keen to

2:37:08increase revenue and expense accounts

2:37:10and multiple funds repealing all

2:37:12ordinances or parts of ordinances in

2:37:14conflict with this ordinance providing

2:37:16for a savings clause and establishing an

2:37:19effective date.

2:37:21>> Hello ma'am.

2:37:22>> Hello mayor and council.

2:37:24>> Good evening.

2:37:26>> This item is the FY2026 budget amendment

2:37:29for the year end.

2:37:33The city's financial governance policies

2:37:35and city charter authorize council to

2:37:38amend the budget by ordinance. Because

2:37:40this amendment adds or increases

2:37:42appropriations. The city published the

2:37:44required public hearing notice on

2:37:46September 10th. The amendment addresses

2:37:4918 different items and these include

2:37:52funding items previously directed by

2:37:54council, some grant reimbursement

2:37:57activity,

2:37:59insurance claims, interfund allocations,

2:38:01and other year-end adjustments.

2:38:06The general fund includes reimbursement

2:38:09revenues for overtime with the fire

2:38:12department deployments,

2:38:14increase risk management costs, council

2:38:17directed funding for homelessness

2:38:19services, funding for claim costs

2:38:22exceeding insurance proceeds, and

2:38:25council directed funding for four months

2:38:27of families and crisis services and

2:38:30additional funding for Innovation Black

2:38:32Chamber of Commerce.

2:38:34It also includes a library subscription

2:38:38transfer from the IT fund, a street

2:38:41sweeper transfer to the aviation fund,

2:38:44and an assistance to firefighters grant

2:38:47fund funding.

2:38:50The general fund amendment totals

2:38:521,771,847.

2:38:57It includes approximately 939,000

2:39:00for reimburseable fire deployment

2:39:03overtime, just under 253,000 for

2:39:06increased risk management costs, and

2:39:10200,000 for homelessness services as

2:39:12directed by council on August 18th.

2:39:16It [snorts] also includes 155,000 for

2:39:19claim costs exceeding insurance

2:39:21proceeds, 116,000 for families in crisis

2:39:26as directed on August 25th,

2:39:28and 50,000 for IBCC as directed on

2:39:32August 18th. The remaining adjustments

2:39:35are approximately 45,000 for the library

2:39:38subscription, 40,000 for the street

2:39:40sweeper transfer, and just under 14,000

2:39:44for the grant funded fire equipment.

2:39:47Of the total amendment, 1,38,64

2:39:51is supported by reimbursements and

2:39:54interfund transfers, while 733,783

2:39:59is funded from general fund balance.

2:40:05The hot fund amendment appropriates

2:40:07$20,000 received from the sister city's

2:40:10Osan organization and the corresponding

2:40:13professional services expense related to

2:40:16the lease terminization termination

2:40:19authorized under resolution 26105.

2:40:23The revenue fully offsets the

2:40:24expenditure.

2:40:28The emergency management fund amendment

2:40:31appropriates $55,977

2:40:34in federal homeland security grant

2:40:36revenue and the corresponding equipment

2:40:39budget. The grant was previously

2:40:41accepted by council via resolution

2:40:4426127.

2:40:49The adopted budget for the law

2:40:50enforcement grant fund included an

2:40:52estimate for the 2025 justice assistance

2:40:56grant. the actual award exceeded that

2:40:58estimate. So this amendment appropriates

2:41:01the remaining 7,209

2:41:03of grant revenue and the corresponding

2:41:05pass through expenditure.

2:41:10Jet fuel sales were substantially higher

2:41:12than anticipated in the aviation fund.

2:41:14This amendment increases jet fuel

2:41:16revenue by 3.2 million and the related

2:41:19cost of goods sold by 2.9 million. It

2:41:23also increases aviation's risk

2:41:25management allocation by just under

2:41:2713,200

2:41:29for higher insurance and personnel cost.

2:41:32After these adjustments, $286,81

2:41:36of the additional revenue will be added

2:41:38to aviation fund balance.

2:41:43Golf course revenue exceeded

2:41:44expectations despite the planned closure

2:41:47for upgrades. This amendment recognizes

2:41:50326,585

2:41:53in additional revenue. The revenue

2:41:56supports $281,45

2:42:00in operating and maintenance cost and a

2:42:0310,000 transfer to the risk management

2:42:05fund for an insurance claim deductible.

2:42:07The remaining $35,180

2:42:10will be added to the golf course fund

2:42:12balance.

2:42:14The next three slides, solid waste,

2:42:17water and sewer, and drainage, reflect

2:42:19each fund's share of the increased risk

2:42:22management allocations for higher

2:42:24thanbudgeted TML insurance premiums,

2:42:26personnel cost, as well as claim cost

2:42:29exceeding the insurance proceeds. These

2:42:32increases are funded from each fund's

2:42:34respective fund balance.

2:42:36Solid waste fund amount 61,721,

2:42:40water and sewer 116,175

2:42:45and drainage 9,341

2:42:51for the risk management fund. The

2:42:53amendment totals 1,324,296.

2:42:58Funding comes from $76,77

2:43:02in insurance proceeds and $196,100

2:43:06in transfers from the affected funds

2:43:11with insurance claims and 44 excuse me

2:43:14422,119

2:43:16in increased interfund transfers.

2:43:20On the expenditure side, the amendment

2:43:22adds 92,177

2:43:25for claims and damages, 47,119

2:43:29for higher Texas Municipal League

2:43:32insurance premiums, and 15,000 for

2:43:35personnel cost.

2:43:44The amendment

2:43:46for information technology fund moves

2:43:49the previously mentioned $45,463

2:43:53from the information technology fund to

2:43:55the general fund for the libraries OLC

2:43:58subscription. The amendment reallocates

2:44:01existing IT appropriations and does not

2:44:03increase the fund's total budget.

2:44:07The governmental CIP fund amendment

2:44:10appropriates 437,400

2:44:12in reimbursement revenue from Bell

2:44:14County and the corresponding traffic

2:44:16signal expenditure for the Chapperall

2:44:18Road traffic signals project. Council

2:44:21authorized this project under resolution

2:44:2426087.

2:44:27We're almost to the end.

2:44:30The aviation CIP fund amendment

2:44:32appropriates 75,000 in Fort Hood IGSA

2:44:36revenue and the corresponding equipment

2:44:38budget to purchase a tractor and

2:44:40attachments for airfield maintenance. It

2:44:43also records the previously mentioned

2:44:44$40,000 transfer of the sweeper asset

2:44:48from the general fund to aviation. The

2:44:51asset transfer reallocates existing

2:44:53aviation appropriations and does not

2:44:56increase the fund's total budget.

2:45:01This amendment appropriates $20,000 from

2:45:04the water impact fee fund and $20,000

2:45:08from the wastewater impact fee fund to

2:45:10pay the required impact fee audit. The

2:45:13total fund balance appropriation is

2:45:16$40,000.

2:45:19Last [snorts] but not least, the

2:45:21proposed year-end amendment increases

2:45:23the FY2026 budget by 7,123,570.

2:45:30New revenue supports $6,484,531

2:45:36of the amendment and the remaining

2:45:38$639,39

2:45:42represents the net use of fund balance

2:45:44across all affected funds.

2:45:47After accounting for the carry forward

2:45:50the midyear and now this proposed

2:45:52year-end budget amendment the total

2:45:54amendment for the total amended budget

2:45:56for 2026 will be 360,57,71.

2:46:06Our recommendation is to hold the public

2:46:07hearing and take action on the ordinance

2:46:09amending the FY2026 annual budget. I'm

2:46:12happy to answer any questions.

2:46:16Okay. Um there on Council Member

2:46:21Kimble,

2:46:22>> thank you. Great work. Um I just got one

2:46:25quick question. The the substantial

2:46:27increase in the jet fuel, is that

2:46:29because of prices or activity that we

2:46:32had uh

2:46:33>> I will have the executive director of

2:46:35aviation come forward.

2:46:37>> Okay.

2:46:38>> It's mostly usage, some price. We've had

2:46:41significant in increase.

2:46:42>> Yeah, I know we have we have a lot of

2:46:44different tenants out there now. I mean

2:46:45that's a huge increase.

2:46:46>> It is massive.

2:46:47>> Okay.

2:46:48>> And credit to to Mike and all his people

2:46:50at the at aviation department.

2:46:52>> Okay. That's Mike. That's all right.

2:46:53Thank Thank you, sir.

2:46:56[clears throat]

2:46:56>> Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you,

2:47:00Mr. Wilson.

2:47:03Okay. Um

2:47:06council, uh having said that, we're

2:47:08going to open up uh public hearing.

2:47:11Public hearing now open. Madam

2:47:13Secretary,

2:47:18>> we have no one signed up for this public

2:47:20hearing. Sir,

2:47:22>> public hearing is now closed.

2:47:26Council member Kendricks,

2:47:30>> I would like to say before we um all lot

2:47:32the excess um f fund balance um I know

2:47:36we must complete an first.

2:47:39uh we currently have what the estimate

2:47:42was that we have available fund.

2:47:44Therefore, I would like to move not to

2:47:48amend the fiscal year 26 annual budget

2:47:51until after we do an audit.

2:48:01You you making a

2:48:03>> Okay. Motion. Can you make the motion?

2:48:05>> The motion that I made that we

2:48:08I'll repeat everything I said. Um

2:48:11[clears throat] before we all lot the

2:48:13excess fund balance. Um I know we must

2:48:17complete an audit. Um currently we have

2:48:20what she just said as an estimate of the

2:48:23available fund fund balance. Um,

2:48:26therefore, I move to amend not to amend

2:48:29the fiscal year 2026 annual budget until

2:48:33after the audit.

2:48:35>> Okay. Is there a second?

2:48:38>> Um, Mr.

2:48:39>> Council member King.

2:48:41>> Thank you. I'mma second that motion

2:48:43because uh um I I'm second motion and I

2:48:49still have my two minutes, but I just

2:48:51want to make a statement. Um,

2:48:55I think it's it's very important that we

2:48:59really consider moving forward in our

2:49:02next budget as it is so many constraints

2:49:06and and and we're moving so fast, Mr.

2:49:09Mayor, that I think a a a thorough audit

2:49:13uh what we want to allocate out should

2:49:15be done. And then once it's done, let's

2:49:18really look at is this really how do we

2:49:22have to spend everything? Do cuz we have

2:49:24revenue. Don't mean we have to give it

2:49:26out. We we I think right now I'm just

2:49:29not comfortable. And I'm glad you

2:49:31mentioned that, uh, Councilman Kendrick,

2:49:33cuz I was going to mention something

2:49:34similar, but since there's already a

2:49:36motion, I'm just going to go with your

2:49:38motion that we should we should we

2:49:40should halt right now and do the uh do

2:49:43audit, make sure we have what we need,

2:49:46and then let's just just take a breather

2:49:49before we even move forward. I know

2:49:51there are some items on there with our

2:49:54police, fire department, but it's still

2:49:57this money left over.

2:50:00So, it is left over. So, I I I agree

2:50:04with Councilman Kendrick and but I look

2:50:06forward to hearing the other council

2:50:09members uh perspective on this, how they

2:50:12feel about it. But my real concern is

2:50:15our budget and how tight it is and do we

2:50:18need to put more money somewhere else

2:50:21other than where we have it now. Those

2:50:23are just my general overall concerns.

2:50:28Thank you,

2:50:32>> Council Member Brown.

2:50:33>> I think maybe my peers misunderstand

2:50:36this item. This isn't taking everything

2:50:40that is left over and moving it to

2:50:43anything. These are primarily costs that

2:50:46we have already incurred. [snorts] These

2:50:49are decisions that the council has

2:50:51already made regarding this money. If we

2:50:55were to disapprove this or withhold this

2:50:59and do an audit first, we would fail

2:51:03that audit because our pluses and

2:51:07minuses would not add up. This isn't a a

2:51:10situation where we're using every little

2:51:13bit of revenue that we have, but in a

2:51:16government

2:51:18uh budget, you have to account for every

2:51:21penny you bring in and it has to be put

2:51:24into either an expense or a fund

2:51:27balance. So, it appears as if every

2:51:30penny is being spent

2:51:33even when we have savings that is being

2:51:36set aside. I think it would be highly

2:51:40irresponsible of the council to delay a

2:51:44vote on this or to disapprove

2:51:47this uh amendment to the budget.

2:51:51It will cause us to fail an audit. This

2:51:55is not just us

2:51:57deciding where we might want to put

2:52:00money. This has already either been

2:52:02spent or received

2:52:05or allocated. the money that is

2:52:08discussed about the fire department,

2:52:10that is overtime that we've already paid

2:52:13and that's money we've already received

2:52:15for those deployments that we've done.

2:52:19So, I I think there might be a

2:52:20misunderstanding about what this budget

2:52:24amendment actually is, but I really

2:52:26think we need to reconsider that, make

2:52:28sure we approve this.

2:52:31>> Uh, Mr. Kaggel,

2:52:34>> thank you. Uh, mayor Miss Brown is is mo

2:52:37mostly correct on that. A lot of this

2:52:39stuff is just reflecting action that the

2:52:41council's already taken and on many of

2:52:44these items, we would get notes uh on on

2:52:48the audit. Um, if the only thing you're

2:52:51worried about is is the use of fund

2:52:54balance, you should talk about that.

2:52:56Move that out. Talk about it separately,

2:52:58not

2:53:00uh deny the whole thing because right

2:53:03>> the vast majority of this, as Miss Brown

2:53:06said, their actions already the

2:53:07council's already taken and we need to

2:53:09we need to account for that. So, we have

2:53:13uh a valid complete audit.

2:53:21Thank you, sir. Uh, Council Member um

2:53:24Kim Kendricks.

2:53:28All right. Um, what I'm going to do,

2:53:30Mayor, I'm going to resend my motion

2:53:33and

2:53:35and I'm going to make another motion,

2:53:39but I need to resend it first. Okay.

2:53:41City attorney that passes.

2:53:44>> Yes. Um, if the if council member

2:53:46Kendrick wants to resend and council

2:53:48member

2:53:50second.

2:53:50>> Okay,

2:53:52you may proceed, sir.

2:53:55>> All right. I'm going make sure I'm

2:53:56trying to I'm getting this here. Um,

2:53:59correct. Um, when I when I talk about

2:54:02it, um,

2:54:05I'm talking about the excess funds when

2:54:08we I'm I'm trying to get this correct.

2:54:10when we talked about the excess funds

2:54:12that was left over at the year end.

2:54:16Um, and we're we're talking about giving

2:54:20other funds or allocating these funds,

2:54:24but I also know we have a lot of things

2:54:27that's coming up um with the legislative

2:54:30session. And I think we need to hold on

2:54:34to as many funds as we have right now

2:54:37before we let all of our funds go on

2:54:41different things.

2:54:43That's kind of where I'm at with that.

2:54:50So, are you

2:54:50>> I'm I'm going to make a motion

2:54:53that the last two things that we

2:54:58with the excess funds that we um every

2:55:06[sighs]

2:55:11I want to make a motion that everything

2:55:13be funded with the exception

2:55:16of the $200,000

2:55:19to Armor Guard. No, the $200,000 that

2:55:23was allocated along with the 50,000 to

2:55:28IBC. I would like to make a motion that

2:55:30we hold on to those funds for right now.

2:55:38>> Okay, there's a motion on the floor. Um,

2:55:41is there a second?

2:55:44I have uh council member Kimble.

2:55:48>> No, I was on a request to speak. I I did

2:55:50not second.

2:55:51>> Council member Brown,

2:55:52>> no.

2:55:53>> Council member Nash King.

2:55:55>> Yes, I second that motion. Um but with

2:55:58that being said, Mr. Ka uh Mr. U mayor,

2:56:01I wanted to ask Mr. Kaggel, was there

2:56:04any other things that we had not already

2:56:07voted on? Funds that was elsewhere that

2:56:09we have have not voted on to use them if

2:56:13it is to be added on. I don't want to I

2:56:16don't want to take away from anything we

2:56:18voted on. That's what I if we already

2:56:20voted on, it's all that's a bill. So,

2:56:23I'mma second his motion.

2:56:25>> Point order real quick. We we there was

2:56:28a list of to speak. So, does that list

2:56:30no longer exist or what what happens

2:56:33here, Mr. Mayor? We had a motion then

2:56:35then a self discussion. No,

2:56:38>> what do we discuss?

2:56:38>> I haven't second [clears throat] the

2:56:39motion yet. So, that's that's not true.

2:56:42>> I'm trying to get clarity clarification.

2:56:44>> Well, excuse me.

2:56:47He he made the motion. You second it.

2:56:49>> No, sir. I was trying to get clarity

2:56:51before I second the motion. What did he

2:56:53mean? Is it only those two items or is

2:56:56there something else?

2:56:57>> Discussion, but we need a second.

2:56:59The motion is on the board.

2:57:00>> Okay, I second it. I second it.

2:57:02>> Okay, now it's open for discussion.

2:57:04>> It's down yonder on that end.

2:57:06[clears throat] Kimble,

2:57:07>> council member Kimble.

2:57:08>> Who's the mayor here?

2:57:11>> Council member Kimble.

2:57:12>> Oh, thank you, sir. I appreciate that.

2:57:13>> I get him with my

2:57:16>> So, Mr. Mayor, we have this council has

2:57:19voted for 10 items. We voted

2:57:22>> we we [clears throat] voted for those

2:57:23items and we're going to unvote them.

2:57:25Now, we can't unfund something that we

2:57:27already voted for. And and I just need a

2:57:29little clarity on that.

2:57:30>> We didn't fund them.

2:57:32>> So, the motion

2:57:32>> we voted to we voted with the 10 items

2:57:35on page two or three of this amended. We

2:57:38voted on it. Talked to our citizens,

2:57:40voted on them. Now, we're going to not

2:57:42fund the things that we voted for.

2:57:45>> I just I don't think that's right.

2:57:48>> Well, I don't I don't understand it. Uh

2:57:50uh m uh city attorney was you

2:57:53>> those motions were motions of direction

2:57:55to include in a budget amendment to come

2:57:56back for you but you have to take formal

2:57:58action to do that in a resolution which

2:58:00is you never had a resolution in front

2:58:02of you before today on the the two

2:58:05items.

2:58:06>> That's correct.

2:58:07>> So at some point we had the fire

2:58:10department reimbursement for overtime.

2:58:11We voted on that.

2:58:12>> You made a motion of direction to

2:58:14include it in an item to come back to

2:58:15council for fund balance. That's what's

2:58:18happening today. Okay. So, so, so this

2:58:21council for we vote. So, now they want

2:58:23So, the motion is to not fund the things

2:58:26that we agreed upon.

2:58:31>> Now, her the audits that that's off the

2:58:34table, but we're now going to unfund the

2:58:37homeless and the IBCC.

2:58:40Is that the motion? Yes, sir. All right.

2:58:42>> That is the motion on the floor.

2:58:50Okay, Council Member U Brown, we're

2:58:53still in discussion.

2:58:55>> Respectfully, I'm going to go back to

2:58:56this. Councilman Kandra gave me a hard

2:59:00time one day saying that we can't just

2:59:02go back and change a vote because we

2:59:05don't like the way it came out.

2:59:07the rest of the council, the majority

2:59:09vote voted in favor of funding each and

2:59:13every single one of these things. Just

2:59:15because you dislike the outcome of that

2:59:17vote now doesn't mean that when it's

2:59:19time to find to do the budget amendment,

2:59:22we go back on that.

2:59:26If you want to bring it back to on a

2:59:28future agenda item, bring it back on a

2:59:30future agenda item and do a different

2:59:33budget amendment in the future. But

2:59:36these are things that we have all

2:59:38already agreed on.

2:59:42She said we gave motions of directions

2:59:44on it, which means that that was a vote

2:59:48of the council to say this is where we

2:59:50want staff to allocate this money to.

2:59:54That is a vote.

2:59:56That is a vote. Emotions of directions

2:59:59are still votes. That is us directing

3:00:01staff go do this. the majority of the

3:00:05council said yes this is where we want

3:00:08to put the money to come back at this

3:00:10point in time and be having this

3:00:12discussion is inappropriate. We do also

3:00:16by the way that 200,000 is earmarked for

3:00:19homelessness.

3:00:21So that is money that we have already

3:00:24scheduled to come back and discuss

3:00:27appropriating it on October 20th. It

3:00:31hasn't necessarily been spent yet, but

3:00:35we have to have it in the budget to have

3:00:38it set aside to have the discussion as

3:00:41to whether or not we're going to spend

3:00:42it. That's all this amendment is doing.

3:00:46So, to come back and say, "I don't like

3:00:48the the way that the council voted and

3:00:50decided to spend the money, so let's

3:00:52decline and deny the amendment is

3:00:56contradictory to everything you've been

3:00:58complaining to me about." Okay.

3:00:59>> Thank you, mayor. Your time is up.

3:01:01Council member Bass.

3:01:03>> Uh Mr. Kaggel, on the slide where it

3:01:06says programs $200,000.

3:01:12>> Um

3:01:13>> we're still just earmarking that

3:01:15$200,000.

3:01:16>> Yes, sir. That is correct.

3:01:17>> We're not making a vote tonight to give

3:01:19it to anybody. We're just earmarking it.

3:01:22Thank you, sir.

3:01:24>> Council member Kendricks.

3:01:29Okay. I I would say I misunderstood that

3:01:32just a little bit. Um and that I guess

3:01:35next week, no, the next um regular

3:01:38scheduled meeting um we will vote on

3:01:41that. I'm not trying to change anything

3:01:44that we voted on. My my whole thing was

3:01:49looking at this from a a different

3:01:52perspective.

3:01:54Um cuz we talk about different agencies

3:01:57and I know council member um Kimell

3:02:00talked about that. So I maybe I jumped

3:02:03the gun a little bit but um the

3:02:08I guess I actually got my point across

3:02:10of why I jumped the gun. So I'm okay

3:02:13with what you said. I'm not fighting

3:02:16that. I'm not trying to change anything.

3:02:19So I'm okay with what you said. So I'm

3:02:23glad you

3:02:25nothing. That's it. I'm not going.

3:02:30Okay. We're we're still in U. Is there

3:02:33any other dis count mayor proim?

3:02:35>> That's it, sir.

3:02:37>> Okay. Okay. Uh, council member. Okay.

3:02:43Good.

3:02:43>> I'm good, sir.

3:02:44>> Okay. All right. If there is notice,

3:02:46council member Nesk

3:02:49>> to understand. And uh is this a motion

3:02:52on the floor or is not?

3:02:53>> It's a motion on the floor. We're in a

3:02:55mode of discussion

3:02:56>> and and and the motion that's on the

3:02:58floor is that the two items, one is the

3:03:02the um 200,000

3:03:05and the other one is 50,000. That what

3:03:09we're going to do with that. That's what

3:03:11I'm are we that's what I'm trying to

3:03:13understand

3:03:15>> the motion.

3:03:16>> City attorney, would you repeat the

3:03:18motion, please? cuz I hear I heard the

3:03:20word earmarked. So I Is it something we

3:03:24cannot vote on? We can vote on not to to

3:03:27make it part of this this um budget to

3:03:30give out or is it's just going to it's

3:03:33just going to stay there? That's what

3:03:34I'm trying to get a better understanding

3:03:37of the motion.

3:03:39>> Well, I'll repeat the motion and then

3:03:41maybe we'll get some clarification.

3:03:43Okay. Thank you. Um, so the motion on

3:03:45the floor is to approve uh everything as

3:03:48presented and fund everything except for

3:03:50the 200,000 that was earmarked for armor

3:03:53of God and the 50,000 to IBCC.

3:03:55>> Okay, got it.

3:03:57>> And and remembering what um again we are

3:04:02just

3:04:04Could you explain that again? I believe

3:04:06>> Yes, sir. I don't think the council ever

3:04:09specifically said armor of God. It was

3:04:11for for it was for homeless.

3:04:14>> Um

3:04:15>> so if this motion were to pass, we would

3:04:19pull that 250,000

3:04:22out of this budget amendment. It would

3:04:24remain in fund balance. So and

3:04:28um it would not it would not be part of

3:04:29this amendment. There would be nothing

3:04:31that would keep the council from

3:04:32changing their mind again in the future

3:04:34and saying doing it. But uh that's what

3:04:37would would happen if if there are a

3:04:40majority vote to remove those two items

3:04:42from this budget amendment. It would be

3:04:45uh it would not be earmarked and it

3:04:47would remain in the fund fund balance.

3:04:50>> Okay. But we

3:04:54to each council member uh um but Mr. KGO

3:04:57we

3:04:58the council

3:05:02appropriated or they said this is what

3:05:04they want to see.

3:05:05>> Yes sir. And we that's why we put it in

3:05:07this

3:05:07>> as a whole as a whole council. Right. We

3:05:09did not make the final vote.

3:05:12>> Right.

3:05:12>> But said this is what we want to do. We

3:05:14want to see IBC. We want to see um the

3:05:17$200 thou,000 for shelter.

3:05:20>> Yes sir.

3:05:21>> Okay.

3:05:22>> For homeless.

3:05:23>> For homeless. Yes,

3:05:26Councilman Mineski.

3:05:29>> No, this is my last time.

3:05:32>> Okay, this is this is my last time. And

3:05:35I just want to make clarity why I second

3:05:38that. It doesn't have anything to do

3:05:39with the homeless homeless shelter. It

3:05:41doesn't have anything with the homeless

3:05:43services. It this $250,000

3:05:46needs to be on reserve in case we need

3:05:49to pull on this cuz one facility is

3:05:52trying to get there. the other facility

3:05:55has agreed to extend till December. And

3:05:58if we don't have any where when December

3:06:01come, we're going to need funding. So I

3:06:03didn't say no. I just said not now to

3:06:06hold on to it and wait to make sure that

3:06:09we have somewhere funding in case the

3:06:13other location is not ready. There is no

3:06:16guarantee on anything. And I don't like

3:06:18just putting money on the standby just a

3:06:21what if Ken. We don't even do that in

3:06:23our own everyday budget. So, I just I

3:06:26just think we should put it on reserve

3:06:29and tell. And with that being said, Mr.

3:06:32uh Mayor, I call for the vote.

3:06:36>> Okay. Call for the vote. Um

3:06:39Okay. All in favor?

3:06:43>> A second. Is there a second?

3:06:46>> There is.

3:06:50>> There's no second.

3:06:59Is there a second? Um, council member

3:07:01Williams.

3:07:02>> I second council by uh second by council

3:07:04member.

3:07:06>> Okay. All in favor?

3:07:08>> If there's no discussion.

3:07:28Okay, the motion fails

3:07:324 to3.

3:07:36>> Okay.

3:07:40All right.

3:07:42So, we should we go back to discussion?

3:07:44>> Yes, sir.

3:07:45>> Yep. Okay. Uh, I do not see

3:07:52>> myself.

3:07:53>> Council member Bass.

3:07:55>> Thank you.

3:07:55>> Yes, sir.

3:07:58>> Mr. Kaggel. Um, if we um include the

3:08:03$200,000,

3:08:06we still do not have to hand that out.

3:08:09Is that correct?

3:08:10>> That is correct. Thank you,

3:08:14>> Mayor Po Tim.

3:08:16>> And again, can you just state for the

3:08:18record that that 200,000 was not

3:08:19directed? We changed that from one

3:08:21particular organization to homelessness

3:08:23in general for anything that might come

3:08:25up as it relates to that particular

3:08:27issue.

3:08:28>> Yes, ma'am. That's my understanding.

3:08:29>> Thank you very much.

3:08:34Uh, council member Nash King,

3:08:35>> I rein my second. I got some clarity and

3:08:39that's all I was trying to get and all

3:08:41this bad attitude and I wish council

3:08:43respect each other. I just wanted

3:08:45clarity and thanks to Councilwoman

3:08:47Gonzalez, Council Member Bass and Brown

3:08:50for getting that clarity and Mr. Kagel.

3:08:52That's all I wanted to clarity and I

3:08:55resend my second.

3:08:58>> Okay. Um, Council Member Neski has

3:09:00rescended her second. Um,

3:09:05if there's no second, that motion fails.

3:09:11Y. Okay.

3:09:16Okay. Um,

3:09:21>> so we need Council Member Brown.

3:09:28I move to approve PH-26-033.

3:09:33>> Okay. Is there a second?

3:09:35>> Second.

3:09:35>> Council member Bess

3:09:39King already second.

3:09:42>> I second it.

3:09:44>> Okay. Uh is there any discussion?

3:09:49>> Okay. Council.

3:09:51>> Okay. If there's no discussion, all in

3:09:53favor signify by saying yes.

3:09:57All oppose, no.

3:10:03Motion pass 70. Thank you.

3:10:08Madam City Secretary,

3:10:18now we go into

3:10:20uh discussion items.

3:10:24Discussion item number 19, DS-26-080.

3:10:30Discuss donation funds for the proposed

3:10:33Keen Civic and Conference Center KCC

3:10:37fountain.

3:10:39Miss McNe, you have the again. Hello

3:10:41again.

3:10:42>> I'm back.

3:10:49>> In support of the city's 125th

3:10:51anniversary celebration in 2007. So,

3:10:54we're talking about funds that we've had

3:10:55approximately 19 years. Um, donations

3:10:58were raised to construct a fountain at

3:10:59the Colleen Civic and Conference Center.

3:11:02The fountain never came to fruition.

3:11:04There's a balance of $21,558.

3:11:08In 2022, the city auditor completed a

3:11:10donations fund audit. It was determined

3:11:13that the city is not under a contractual

3:11:15obligation to construct the original

3:11:17fountain. Additionally, it was

3:11:18recommended that use of funds honor the

3:11:20original intent of

3:11:29enhancing the public space.

3:11:32So potential improvements include

3:11:34updated signage,

3:11:36enhanced landscaping, benches, other

3:11:39lowmaintenance beautifification

3:11:40enhancements, and if approved, staff

3:11:42will develop a project scope that

3:11:44reflects the needs of the garden and the

3:11:46community.

3:11:47In your packet, um with this

3:11:49presentation, you were able to see some

3:11:51AI generated visuals of what this could

3:11:55look like.

3:11:57[snorts]

3:11:58Staff recommends that the city council

3:12:00provide direction to allow staff to

3:12:01pursue the use of the existing

3:12:04fountain funds to enhance and beautify

3:12:07the community garden at the civic and

3:12:09conference center.

3:12:13And that concludes the presentation.

3:12:16Okay.

3:12:17Council member Bass,

3:12:23>> I make a motion to

3:12:27provide direction to allow the staff to

3:12:30pursue the use of the existing fountain

3:12:32funds to enhance and beautify the

3:12:34community garden.

3:12:36>> Okay. Is there a second? Um I'm seeing

3:12:40Council Member Nash King.

3:12:42>> Second.

3:12:43>> Okay. Open for discussion.

3:12:48Council member Neski.

3:12:49>> Thank you. Mr. Mayor, have you contact I

3:12:52mean not you, Mr. Kager. Have you spoken

3:12:54to the committee that um started the um

3:12:58foundation uh during that time?

3:13:01>> No, ma'am. I I'm a I did not do that.

3:13:04>> All right. Thank you.

3:13:07>> Is there any other discussion?

3:13:10Is there no other discussion? All in

3:13:13favor

3:13:16signify by yes.

3:13:20All oppose. No.

3:13:24>> Motion carries 70.

3:13:26>> Thank you.

3:13:27>> Thank you ma'am.

3:13:31>> Madam secretary.

3:13:33>> Next discussion item number 20

3:13:35DS-26-081.

3:13:38discuss proposed data center standards.

3:13:43>> Hello again, ma'am.

3:13:45>> Hello again. Uh, mayor and council, this

3:13:47is a uh presentation on data centers.

3:13:51Um, as

3:13:53uh as most of you know, on August 3rd,

3:13:56Governor Abbott announced a temporary

3:13:58halt on new data centers and directed

3:14:00the PUC and Urkott to audit all data

3:14:02center permits.

3:14:04The following day on August 4th, council

3:14:06approved a motion direct of direction to

3:14:08bring back a discussion item regarding

3:14:10data center standards. Uh data centers

3:14:13are not currently listed as a use

3:14:16category in our zoning ordinance. Um

3:14:22so that is to say that there's there's

3:14:24not a place in the zoning ordinance that

3:14:26specifically does or doesn't allow for

3:14:28data centers. Um I will say that not all

3:14:31data centers are created equal. they

3:14:33vary greatly in terms of size,

3:14:36electricity consumption, water

3:14:37consumption, noise impacts, etc. Um, so

3:14:43here what we have is is a sort of list

3:14:45of the

3:14:47positive characteristics and potentially

3:14:49negative characteristics of of data

3:14:51centers. Uh, again, not all data centers

3:14:53are the same, but generally speaking,

3:14:56uh, the positive characteristics include

3:14:58increased property tax revenue. uh they

3:15:01have a typically lower cost to provide

3:15:03services than traditional commercial or

3:15:06industrial developments particularly as

3:15:09it relates to calls for service uh

3:15:11traffic impact etc. They also tend to

3:15:15spur can spur local infrastructure

3:15:18upgrades uh to water electrical and

3:15:20fiber and provide for temporary

3:15:23construction jobs. Uh some of the

3:15:25potentially negative uh impacts of data

3:15:27centers include water usage, demands on

3:15:30the electrical grid, environmental

3:15:32impacts including noise and heat. Um and

3:15:35[clears throat] they can provide few

3:15:37temporary few permanent technical jobs.

3:15:41Um again, not all of them are the same

3:15:44and so sometimes the water usage or the

3:15:46demand for electricity varies. Um but

3:15:50data centers have three

3:15:53three well two main types of cooling

3:15:56systems. There's the air cooling systems

3:15:57which use fans and air conditioning to

3:15:59cool the equipment. Uh this does have

3:16:01the potential for uh noise impacts and

3:16:05then there are water cooling systems and

3:16:08there are different types of water

3:16:09cooling systems. The two primary ones

3:16:10are evaporative cooling um which uses a

3:16:14significant amount of water and then

3:16:16there's a closed loop system which uses

3:16:18um less water and typically has less

3:16:21noise associated with it as well. Um

3:16:24both types of cooling systems typically

3:16:26come with a backup generator um which

3:16:29again has the potential for noise

3:16:30impacts. Uh here we've prepared a um

3:16:35comparison chart of data centers of

3:16:38varying sizes to other types of

3:16:42commercial or or

3:16:44just things we included single family.

3:16:47So other types of development. Um

3:16:51and so you can see here that data

3:16:54centers have uh a comparatively low

3:16:57impact in terms of traffic. the the

3:16:59vehicle trips per day for data centers

3:17:03are comparatively low. Um whereas the

3:17:07the the property value or the the

3:17:10advalorum tax value associated with with

3:17:12data centers is significantly higher

3:17:14than other types of of development. Um

3:17:19so what we've what we've proposed to do

3:17:21is is sort of break data centers down

3:17:24into three categories small, medium and

3:17:27large. um because if we're going to talk

3:17:29about zoning standards and where where

3:17:32data centers are are appropriate or not

3:17:34appropriate, it's important to

3:17:35understand the size and the scale of

3:17:36those those data centers. So, what we've

3:17:38done is we've we've come up with three

3:17:40potential tiers of data centers. So,

3:17:42this is um an example of what we would

3:17:45consider a small data center. These are

3:17:48the specs for the proposed NG research

3:17:50lab on South Fort Hood Street. Uh this

3:17:53is a picture that was provided by the

3:17:54applicant. This is a 10 megawatt data

3:17:56center. It's about 8,800 square feet on

3:17:59about 2 and a half acres.

3:18:02This is an example of uh a medium-siz

3:18:06data center. This is the Apadan data

3:18:08center in Temple. It's a 5 megawatt data

3:18:11center at 60,000 square feet on

3:18:13approximately 10 acres.

3:18:16And then this is an example of what

3:18:19would we would consider a large or

3:18:21hypers scale data center. This is a

3:18:23rendering of the the Rowan data center

3:18:25also in Temple. 300 megawws, 500,000

3:18:29square feet, and 700 acres. So, this one

3:18:31is is enormous compared to um for

3:18:35example, the one that we're looking at

3:18:36on on South Fort Hood Street. So, again,

3:18:40proposing three tiers.

3:18:43So what we've what we've come up with is

3:18:45is small megawws would be up to 10 small

3:18:49data centers would be up to 10 megawws

3:18:51up to 10,000 square feet and up to 5

3:18:54acres. Medium would be up to 100

3:18:56megawatts up to 100,000 square feet and

3:18:585 to 50 acres and then large would be

3:19:00over 100 megawws over 100,000 square

3:19:03feet or over 50 acres. Um, so

3:19:09this is this is just a proposal for

3:19:12potential um standards that could be

3:19:15incorporated into the zoning ordinance,

3:19:16but what we're proposing is that small

3:19:18data centers could theoretically be

3:19:20allowed by right and B5

3:19:22um subject to supplemental regulations

3:19:24regarding screening, noise, etc. Uh with

3:19:26the idea that they're sort of in keeping

3:19:28with the size and scale of other

3:19:29commercial developments um that are

3:19:32otherwise allowed in B5. medium data

3:19:35centers could be permitted by right and

3:19:37M1 subject to supplemental regulations

3:19:40regarding screening noise etc and that

3:19:42large data centers would be permitted by

3:19:44right and M2 um and that data centers

3:19:48exceeding the established thresholds

3:19:50would could be considered by v uh via

3:19:53conditional use permit um

3:19:55[clears throat]

3:19:56and with regard to the proposed

3:19:57supplemental regul regulations we would

3:20:00um of [clears throat] course draft uh

3:20:03standards

3:20:04for for data centers in any district of

3:20:07any size. Um that would require

3:20:11for example written approval from Urkott

3:20:13PUC or Encore um

3:20:17indicating that the electrical services

3:20:19is adequate and and is approved. Water

3:20:22service uh water and sewer study um to

3:20:27require review by a city engineer prior

3:20:29to approval. an acoustical study. Um,

3:20:34we could incorporate standards that

3:20:35would require um an applicant or

3:20:38prospective developer of a data center

3:20:40to pro provide um documentation from an

3:20:43acoustical engineer um

3:20:46um proving up the the volume and

3:20:49frequency and decibel maximums and um

3:20:53also [snorts] providing screening and um

3:20:56establishing appropriate setbacks. So,

3:20:59uh, that that is the extent of my

3:21:00presentation, but I'm happy to answer

3:21:02any questions you might have. Um, again,

3:21:04this is just a proposal for potential

3:21:07types of, um, standards that could be

3:21:09incorporated into the zoning ordinance.

3:21:11>> Thank you, ma'am. Uh, Council Member

3:21:12Bess,

3:21:14>> thank you. Um everything I have read

3:21:17about data centers uh this is entirely

3:21:20reasonable and logical

3:21:23uh uh entirely reasonable reasonable and

3:21:26logical method uh for a city to regulate

3:21:30uh data centers. So thank you very much.

3:21:32This makes perfect sense to me.

3:21:34>> Yes, sir.

3:21:35>> Council member Brown,

3:21:37>> thank you for doing all of the the

3:21:40research and putting all of that

3:21:41together. Um, when I had brought this

3:21:45forward, a few ideas and thoughts in

3:21:48mind of what I would like to see in

3:21:50these regulations, I think I mentioned

3:21:52it at the last meeting where this came

3:21:55up is that every data center would be

3:21:58required to have a conditional use

3:21:59permit. That way, if they're not meeting

3:22:02the water um usage, if they're not

3:22:04meeting that electricity usage, we could

3:22:07pull that permit and they would no

3:22:09longer be able to operate there. I do

3:22:12feel that they would be should be

3:22:15required to be in manufacturing or

3:22:17industrial uh zoning only.

3:22:20Um a thousand ft away from any

3:22:22residential area to mitigate any impact

3:22:25on residents.

3:22:28um that any storage tanks for any uh

3:22:31chemical coolant would require the

3:22:34submission of an annual inspection from

3:22:36a state or federal certified agency

3:22:39just to make sure that there is no leaks

3:22:41into the environment. That there would

3:22:44be decibel and frequency restrictions,

3:22:47not just a report. Um, and that masonry

3:22:50screening would be required because that

3:22:52would block a lot of the the noise

3:22:55pollution better than requiring any

3:22:59other type of screening. Um, I also feel

3:23:03like if we require a conditional use

3:23:05permit for each one of them, it has been

3:23:08brought up that the 90th legislature

3:23:11will be having a lot of discussion about

3:23:13this. they could come back with a lot

3:23:16stricter

3:23:18conditions than what we're even talking

3:23:20about now. If we have the conditional

3:23:24use permit put in place as a requirement

3:23:26anyway, then any additional requirements

3:23:29the state puts on rather than having to

3:23:32revise the entire zoning portion uh

3:23:35chapter for that, it would allow us to

3:23:38just incorporate those into every cup

3:23:41moving forward for potential data

3:23:44centers. So that's just my list of of

3:23:48recommendations for what we should

3:23:49include in an ordinance regulating them.

3:23:52Thank you,

3:23:54>> Council Mayor Pro Tim.

3:23:57>> Thank you. Um, thank you, Miss Special,

3:24:00for your work that you've done on that

3:24:01previously. I would agree. Um and

3:24:03looking at some other reference cities,

3:24:06it looks like a lot of them are

3:24:08regulating also um the uh definitions

3:24:13because what we want to do also is make

3:24:15sure that we're uh putting in some sort

3:24:17of performance in the ordinance. So

3:24:20meaning that we are watching water

3:24:22demand and that there's a conservation

3:24:25plan. So a water demand and conservation

3:24:27plan prior to approval I think is

3:24:30essential.

3:24:34And what I wanted just to confirm as

3:24:36well in your presentation, I didn't see

3:24:37it, but when we're defining see I know

3:24:39that you had the uh square footage as

3:24:42far as definition of these things, but I

3:24:44would like an actual definition of what

3:24:45a data center is with some provisions.

3:24:48I'm going to read to you uh what I found

3:24:51from another source and then of course

3:24:54we can always tweak it. But okay, that

3:24:57um source what the definition of a data

3:24:59center. And the reason we want an actual

3:25:01definition is because another u

3:25:03municipality found it prevents the

3:25:06applicant from avoiding um the ordinance

3:25:08by calling the project something else

3:25:10because somebody has already tried to do

3:25:11that, right? They tried to circumvent

3:25:13the ordinance. So if we call it the data

3:25:16center is a facility or group of

3:25:18facilities primarily used for the

3:25:20storage, processing, management,

3:25:22transmission or exchange of digital data

3:25:26including computer servers,

3:25:29telecommunications equipment, artificial

3:25:32intelligence computing equipment,

3:25:35associated cooling systems,

3:25:37backup power systems, substations and

3:25:41related infrastructure.

3:25:44They said that it's recommended um that

3:25:47we also include hypers scale facilities,

3:25:50cooling plants and backup generation

3:25:52facilities in that definition as well.

3:25:55Um it was mentioned

3:25:57I do support the M1 but also that we put

3:26:01the cup. Okay, thank you. I'll come back

3:26:03on it. Thank you.

3:26:04>> Council member Nashk.

3:26:06>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Councel, uh my

3:26:08question is for legal, please.

3:26:11>> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Um C um Attorney

3:26:15Clemens, uh Councilwoman Brown brought

3:26:18up a point about the state and my

3:26:20question is um once the state or

3:26:23Governor Abbott, everyone knows, um

3:26:26they're discussing the item, but

3:26:28whatever the state comes with, they vote

3:26:31on and the governor and they they vote

3:26:34on it and this is the way it is. No

3:26:37matter what we put in place, we one of

3:26:40the things she said was amendment. We

3:26:43can we amend what if it's something that

3:26:45goes against what Miss Meer just said

3:26:48100%. It goes against what the state

3:26:50want. We will have to change it or can

3:26:53we just as Councilwoman Brown stated uh

3:26:57which makes sense but I'm not legal. Uh

3:27:00or can we just amend it and not change

3:27:03it or would that be a conflict? Whatever

3:27:06we vote on tonight, which everyone agree

3:27:08we have to have some kind of

3:27:09regulations. But if the state come back

3:27:12and say whatever we have voted on, this

3:27:15is not right. You have to change it.

3:27:17Will we come back and amend it to fit

3:27:20the state? Not add it to it, but amend

3:27:22whatever they say we already voted on.

3:27:25It's incorrect.

3:27:27>> So, a couple things. um tonight you

3:27:30would be giving um a motion of direction

3:27:33if you wanted to to for staff to bring

3:27:35back an ordinance um that brings some of

3:27:37the things that you're discussing into

3:27:39place so you'd have have it more fleshed

3:27:41out in front of you. Um but I think the

3:27:43the crux of your question is when that

3:27:45ordinance comes back and we actually

3:27:47codify something if the state comes back

3:27:49later and has something that's

3:27:50contradictory. Um and I I think I think

3:27:54it's too early to say what the state's

3:27:56going to do. I think it's very likely

3:27:58that they will look into it. They may

3:27:59very well pass something, but they could

3:28:01pass something that contradicted what we

3:28:03put. They could pass something that says

3:28:05that the cities can have something

3:28:06that's more restrictive, um, which we

3:28:09see in a lot of a lot of statutes that

3:28:11are passed. So, I think it's too early

3:28:14to say what the state will or will not

3:28:16do. But with the recommendation to just

3:28:17p to have an ordinance, I think um that

3:28:20everything is just subject to a cup. I I

3:28:23think potentially you could adopt

3:28:25something like that and then incorporate

3:28:27in all of your conditional use permits

3:28:29any conditions that were included in the

3:28:31state. Um I just it's it's hard to deal

3:28:34with the hypotheticals of what the state

3:28:36may or may not do.

3:28:37>> Yes, ma'am. And since I still have time,

3:28:39Mr. um Mayor Solomon, I just wanted to

3:28:42say I agree with Councilwoman U. Brown

3:28:45recommendation on that, but I just

3:28:48wanted to uh get a legal perspective on

3:28:50it.

3:28:51>> Yes, ma'am.

3:28:52>> Thank you.

3:28:54Let me ask you this. Um, in terms of the

3:28:57size, as far as the size in U, you

3:29:00mentioned about 195.

3:29:03Uh, that was a medium size one. Was that

3:29:07a small? It's a small.

3:29:09>> This here is the is the specifications

3:29:11for the proposed facility. It's 10

3:29:14megawatts, 8,800 square feet, and 2.6

3:29:16>> because there is really inco.

3:29:20only can between a small medium or

3:29:23small.

3:29:24Uh there's no land mass that would hold

3:29:28like like they doing in Galen. Um maybe

3:29:31I need to ask Mr. Ko in terms of um

3:29:35land mass and you know we've seen some

3:29:37huge data centers in in in Temple.

3:29:42>> Yes sir. If it if it was one of of 700

3:29:45acres, that would require if it was

3:29:47going to be in the city, that would

3:29:48require some annexation somewhere.

3:29:51>> But right now, when we looking at data

3:29:53centers, we're only talking small or

3:29:57>> um if you'd back it up one um just one

3:30:01slide. Yeah, there's um there's probably

3:30:04lots of places for for 10 acre for a

3:30:06medium data center. Just the the hyper

3:30:09size, it's going to require annexation.

3:30:12So on the the proposed tiers that that

3:30:15we've come up with, a a large quote

3:30:18unquote data center would be something

3:30:20of of 50 acres or greater.

3:30:22>> Yeah.

3:30:22>> Uh there are a number of sites.

3:30:24>> There are a number

3:30:25>> the ACOK property is is one that comes

3:30:28to mind. There are a number of

3:30:28properties that are 50 acres that could

3:30:30potentially accommodate a quote unquote

3:30:32large data center.

3:30:32>> So is that something similar to what we

3:30:34saw in Temple?

3:30:36>> That was that was the Apadan one that

3:30:38we've termed as a medium.

3:30:41um [clears throat]

3:30:42that that particular one in in Temple

3:30:44was 10 acres

3:30:45>> just like that one.

3:30:46>> Um obviously there's a a big range

3:30:49between 10 acres and 700 acres. So uh

3:30:52are there sites that could accommodate a

3:30:5450 acre data center? Yes.

3:30:56>> Yeah. Council member uh Kimble.

3:31:00>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I I tend to agree

3:31:02with Councilwoman Nash first part of her

3:31:05assessment that the state we I think a

3:31:08lot of things will get cleared up. I I

3:31:10agree on the on the you know putting

3:31:12putting everything categoric and categor

3:31:15categorizing them in a size but you know

3:31:18when it comes to you know particular

3:31:20ordinances I just really think that we

3:31:22should wait to see what comes out of

3:31:24Austin uh before we do that uh I think

3:31:27we have um we have you know we have

3:31:30people on the ground in Austin that that

3:31:31is that is monitoring this daily. I

3:31:34think we get something from our our

3:31:35lobbyist literally every day on on this

3:31:38issue. uh and I I really would like to

3:31:40take our guidance from them before we

3:31:42commit to an ordinance. But I think the

3:31:44ideas of of starting this conversation

3:31:47with the size is is is great uh and then

3:31:50looking at um other ordinances uh

3:31:54because we can look at of of their

3:31:56successes and failures because we can

3:31:58see where maybe

3:32:00a particular municipality did something

3:32:02and then we can say aha let's not do

3:32:03this in Colleen. So, uh, I I I agree

3:32:06that that, uh, I don't know if we are

3:32:08voting on anything tonight. I don't

3:32:09think we're there yet. U,, but I think

3:32:11that we we have we continue to have this

3:32:14discussion as a council, uh, to come

3:32:16back periodically, get information from

3:32:18from your office and from legal, and

3:32:20then we we we form an ordinance that

3:32:22fits clean. Now that we know that, you

3:32:25know, that small and mediums are

3:32:27probably the the sweet spot for for for

3:32:30us, uh, then we look at, you know, we

3:32:32look at those those lands, the some that

3:32:34were mentioned out here already. Then we

3:32:36look at the where they where where the

3:32:37houses sit from there, where the roads

3:32:38sit, where the proposed, uh, calls for

3:32:41service could could go. Uh, I think we

3:32:43just maybe slow down, keep and keep

3:32:44having this conversation as a council,

3:32:46you know, every, you know, uh,

3:32:48continually on on our on on our um on on

3:32:51our agendas before we commit to a so we

3:32:54can write the best ordinance for for

3:32:55clean. So that's that's that's my take,

3:32:58sir. Thank you,

3:33:00>> Council Member Brown.

3:33:04>> I'm going to agree and disagree with

3:33:07with Mr. Kimble. Um, I agree that we

3:33:11absolutely need to write the the best

3:33:13ordinance possible and take our time to

3:33:15make sure we get it right. [snorts] But

3:33:17I I think that that discussion and that

3:33:20draft ordinance needs to happen now. The

3:33:23next legislative session doesn't even

3:33:25start until January.

3:33:28Um, from what I'm receiving from state

3:33:32legislators, yes, there will be a lot of

3:33:34discussion about it, but the state's

3:33:36really only going to

3:33:39regulate as much as to say that they're

3:33:41going to give a county's limited uh land

3:33:45use authority to discuss whether or not

3:33:48the county would like to allow uh the

3:33:51use go to a data center.

3:33:55Regardless of what ends up happening,

3:33:58the longer we wait,

3:34:00the more likely it is that there is a

3:34:03company that starts to come in and we

3:34:07don't have any guard rails in place

3:34:10first. So, I think this is just a

3:34:12proactive way of making sure we have

3:34:15guard rails. I I sincerely believe that

3:34:18if we started out with like they're

3:34:21going to be in manufacturing zoning,

3:34:24they're going to have a conditional use

3:34:26permit. Then we start whittling down

3:34:29what those conditions are. If the state

3:34:31comes back with things, if we see best

3:34:34practices from other cities, those can

3:34:37then be implemented into those

3:34:40conditional use permits.

3:34:43Um, but I think to wait

3:34:46would be a disservice to our citizens.

3:34:50And so for the sake of moving it

3:34:52forward, I would make a motion to direct

3:34:55staff to at least draft an ordinance for

3:34:58zoning a regulation on

3:35:02uh the data centers and I think [snorts]

3:35:04with a minimum that each one has to have

3:35:07a conditional use permit.

3:35:11There's a motion by um Council Member

3:35:13Brown. Is there a second?

3:35:17Council member Williams.

3:35:19>> Yes, I second that. Um Mayor.

3:35:22>> Okay. Um is there any discussion?

3:35:27Uh Mayor Po Tim.

3:35:30>> So yes, sir. Um thank you because I do

3:35:32appreciate actually being able to have a

3:35:34conversation about moving our city

3:35:35forward. I do want to remind us that

3:35:37regulation and local land use regulation

3:35:39are completely different. So us uh being

3:35:42[clears throat] proactive versus

3:35:43reactive kind of hammering out these

3:35:45details of what a data center is, what

3:35:47are small medium um sizes, usage

3:35:50locations, having these conversations

3:35:51early on at least at a minimum I think

3:35:53are important. So I do appreciate the

3:35:55the conversation. Um and then also if a

3:35:58developer approaches us before we hammer

3:36:01this out, what does that mean for us if

3:36:02we have nothing in place? So, um, what I

3:36:06was mentioning before and I had a

3:36:07question for you, madam. You had

3:36:08mentioned, uh, in the the the notice

3:36:10here that they would be permitted by

3:36:12right. By all other sources that I've

3:36:14read, it said to not, it didn't

3:36:16recommend permitting by right. Can you

3:36:18tell me why we recommended or why you

3:36:19think it would be a good idea to do so?

3:36:21So

3:36:24when we talk about things being

3:36:25permitted by right, that means that if a

3:36:27property is zoned, say for example, if

3:36:30if a data center is permitted by right

3:36:31and M1, if a property is zone M1, they

3:36:33can come in and they can build it

3:36:34without going through the zoning

3:36:36process. the the primary rationale

3:36:38behind recommending that that at least

3:36:40some scale of data center be permitted

3:36:42by rights somewhere is that if a

3:36:45perspective data center was looking at

3:36:47clean as as a potential investment

3:36:50opportunity um [clears throat] versus

3:36:52another municipality where the process

3:36:55was more straightforward or more more

3:36:57predictable if if their proposed use was

3:36:59allowed by right in another city and and

3:37:02required a zoning process in clean if

3:37:05we're trying to attract data centers. If

3:37:07that's something that we we want a as an

3:37:09investment in Colleen, then

3:37:12hypothetically a prospective data center

3:37:15would look at the two options and choose

3:37:17choose to go with the city where it's

3:37:19allowed by right as opposed to where

3:37:21they would have to go through the

3:37:22lengthy zoning process.

3:37:23>> Understood. Understood. And then um

3:37:25would it be is there a way to in this

3:37:27case because these are so unique and

3:37:29they tend to they can also be owned by

3:37:31entities that are outside of the United

3:37:33States or foreign entities um is there a

3:37:35way to work on transparency regarding

3:37:37ownership? Are you familiar with how we

3:37:40could can we regulate that uh

3:37:42potentially in the future with the

3:37:44disclosure of ownership of actual

3:37:47ownership of the um data center

3:37:52meaning subsidiaries from other

3:37:53companies you know what I'm talking

3:37:55about right when I say that okay thank

3:37:56you

3:37:58>> okay same manager

3:38:01>> and I'm only asking I don't know I don't

3:38:03know the answer to that

3:38:04>> okay very good I'll flag it just to

3:38:06continue to look at it I just wasn't

3:38:07sure thank you Very good. We're in

3:38:09uncharted water here. So, I just wanted

3:38:10to inquire about that. Thank you so

3:38:12much.

3:38:14>> Okay. Uh, Council Member Bass.

3:38:16>> So, the motion on the floor

3:38:18[clears throat]

3:38:19>> is different than uh the

3:38:23proposed zoning regulations in this

3:38:25slide. Am I correct? Because the motion

3:38:28I'm hearing, they would all be

3:38:31conditional use,

3:38:33>> not not by right.

3:38:35>> That was my understanding of the motion.

3:38:37Yes, sir. Am I correct?

3:38:38>> It's my understanding.

3:38:39>> Thank you,

3:38:42C.

3:38:43>> Council member Nashking.

3:38:45>> Yes. Um, yes, sir. And with that being

3:38:49said, can you ex it really extend to

3:38:54when they come, everyone will have to

3:38:56come to us if a data center wants to be

3:38:59built and it'll be case by case. uh and

3:39:03we will decide if the council want it

3:39:06and if so how we would like for it to

3:39:08move forward.

3:39:10>> Correct.

3:39:11>> So so the motion is is that data centers

3:39:14all data centers regardless of size

3:39:16would would require a conditional use

3:39:18permit process meaning that any any

3:39:20prospective developer that wanted to put

3:39:22a data center in clean would have to go

3:39:23through the zoning process regardless of

3:39:25where it is or how big it is.

3:39:28>> Yes ma'am. And what I wanted to say with

3:39:31that is that um

3:39:34so going back to council member Kimbell

3:39:37what he stated

3:39:40your recommendation is to move forward

3:39:42cuz my concern is for state and what

3:39:44they would do but your recommendation

3:39:47Mr. Kagel leg I'm not I'm not saying

3:39:49legal Mr. KGO, you saying put something

3:39:51into play and let's just have it on

3:39:53record cuz this what the council want.

3:39:55Now I didn't say you all wanted. I see

3:39:57that look. This what the council want.

3:39:59We just doing what they ask. But your

3:40:01recommendation would it would be to

3:40:03wait.

3:40:05I don't see a a harm in drafting an

3:40:08ordinance that would create some

3:40:10standards because as I said right now we

3:40:12have no standards. Um, and so what we

3:40:14did with the data center that came to us

3:40:16was we suggested a conditional use

3:40:18permit because the ordinance is silent.

3:40:21Um, and so

3:40:23I don't I don't know that there's a harm

3:40:24in in drafting an ordinance and getting

3:40:26adopt it adopted if the legislature does

3:40:30approve some some statute that would

3:40:34preempt that. It more than likely

3:40:36wouldn't go into effect until it

3:40:38wouldn't go into effect immediately.

3:40:39There would be a date where that ordin

3:40:41that that statute would become effective

3:40:43and it would give us some time to modify

3:40:47whatever ordinance we come up with

3:40:49between when when the legislature takes

3:40:52action and when that law goes into a in

3:40:54place. We've done that before uh with

3:40:56legislative action. So we could do the

3:40:58same thing here. And if the council do

3:41:00decide uh to vote on one just

3:41:02hypothetically because I know everybody

3:41:04know this data center wants to come now

3:41:06would we and we have to change it would

3:41:10that particular if the count council

3:41:13vote on the data center before the state

3:41:16complete their conversations on it and

3:41:18make a decision would that particular

3:41:20data center be grandfathered in if it

3:41:23changes the ordinance by state

3:41:28>> hypothetically

3:41:29if if a data center had had permits,

3:41:33>> right?

3:41:33>> Um or had [clears throat] applied for

3:41:35permits and nothing that was nothing was

3:41:38preempted by the state, then then yes,

3:41:41it could be grandfather depending on the

3:41:43timing.

3:41:43>> All right.

3:41:46I know you're saying hypothetically, but

3:41:48that's everybody up here is

3:41:49hypothetically. It's just not me. I'm

3:41:51not my ears are working fine. I'm just

3:41:53throwing it out there to make sure that

3:41:55we all on the same sheet of music. if

3:41:57there was something different than what

3:41:59we voted on today or moving forward with

3:42:02a motion or direction if it was changed.

3:42:04I just want to know by state if they

3:42:06said no, we don't want you doing it that

3:42:08way. We want you to follow this

3:42:10guideline. I just wanted to know if

3:42:12they'll be grandfathered then. That's

3:42:13it.

3:42:14>> Thank you very much.

3:42:16>> Council member Williams.

3:42:20I was just going to add to that um that

3:42:23I mean generally speaking any

3:42:26>> any statute or um legislation that I can

3:42:30imagine would be adopted on this would

3:42:33um come into effect at a later date if

3:42:35we had an ordinance already in place

3:42:37that people had already gotten permits

3:42:38and approvals um that that would

3:42:40continue. Um can I imagine a situation

3:42:43where legislation overrode the zoning

3:42:46and it was some other regulation

3:42:48perhaps. But if we're talking about our

3:42:49our zoning regulation um for the we

3:42:52wouldn't back out on our permits and

3:42:54approvals for the for the process that

3:42:57were already in place.

3:42:58>> But that grandfathering would only exist

3:42:59if they have permits. So for example, if

3:43:02it's a data center that's called and

3:43:04inquired and hasn't submitted anything,

3:43:06there's no grandfathering that would be

3:43:08associated with that.

3:43:09>> Thank you both.

3:43:11>> Okay, Council Member Williams.

3:43:15I love how we're being um proactive

3:43:19um in this data system. Uh because I

3:43:21know there's a lot of misinformation out

3:43:23there as well and um and I know a lot of

3:43:26people are panic every time you mention

3:43:28about the data system, but I like how um

3:43:31Councilwoman Gonzalez had mentioned one

3:43:33time about the safety rails and we

3:43:36putting up safeguards uh to prevent all

3:43:39of this from happening before it's

3:43:41already come. And I do like the fact

3:43:43about the conditional use permit, which

3:43:46is to mandate um control over setbacks,

3:43:49noise levels, and total water usage,

3:43:52which is really good. So, I'm in

3:43:54supportive of all of that and what you

3:43:55have said there, Councilwoman um

3:43:59>> Brian

3:44:00>> Brown, Miss Councilwoman Brown. I'm

3:44:01sorry I had a little uh

3:44:05[laughter]

3:44:10All righty. Uh,

3:44:12>> last night was forgettable. [laughter]

3:44:15>> Council member,

3:44:18>> is that it, ma'am?

3:44:20>> That's it.

3:44:20>> Yes, sir.

3:44:21>> Council member Kimble.

3:44:23>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I and I

3:44:24appreciate the discussion um for my

3:44:26colleagues. It's uh it's it's a serious

3:44:28subject and uh you know, it's like when

3:44:30you're watching TV, you see the tornado

3:44:32and you know it's coming and you know,

3:44:34we got to prepare, right? So, I think

3:44:35we're preparing. Um, and I think and I

3:44:38hope that if this we give you if the

3:44:42motion approves, there's some questions

3:44:44that need to be as answer answered and

3:44:46and we talked about water usage. I don't

3:44:48I don't know what an accepted water

3:44:50water usage is for a data center and I

3:44:52don't know if we can put that in

3:44:53ordinance. I don't know what acceptable

3:44:55is. I don't know what acceptable power

3:44:57consumption is. I I I don't know be

3:45:01because no one's presented to me a

3:45:04something where they would use water. I

3:45:05don't I I don't know and it's hard for

3:45:07me to to get behind the ordinance and

3:45:10certain things haven't been defined yet.

3:45:14So, um um I you know what is acceptable

3:45:19water use? What is what is it when we're

3:45:20going through a drought? would you know

3:45:22it was four years ago when when things

3:45:24were drought where are we going to just

3:45:25say hey data center you can't that's no

3:45:27more for you but it's hey you got so I

3:45:29just there's man there just so many

3:45:30unanswered questions and I hate to for

3:45:33us to to paint oursel in a corner with

3:45:36an ordinance that isn't really feasible

3:45:40for what may come and what may come in

3:45:43the future. Um, you know, it's it's easy

3:45:45to write a particular ordinance when

3:45:47everything is fine, when it's, you know,

3:45:48it's blue skies and and and all that

3:45:51stuff, but there are days, you know, we

3:45:52just we just ran what 30 31 days 100

3:45:55degree heat. We had excess I I got

3:45:58people calling me about their $600

3:46:00electric bills, right? Because because

3:46:02people raised because they didn't they

3:46:03weren't paying attention when the

3:46:05electric company raised their rates. Um

3:46:07and um you know there's there's a lot

3:46:09that goes on and and if we don't like

3:46:12the way data centers are operating we

3:46:13say hey uh Mr. data center can you

3:46:15reduce your functionality by by 30%. But

3:46:19it's not some other somebody else may

3:46:21have in their ordinance but we don't

3:46:23have it in ours. So I just I just hate

3:46:25to paint ourselves in a corner before we

3:46:28have all the information. Thank you Mr.

3:46:29Mayor.

3:46:31>> Uh city manager.

3:46:35>> Yes sir. Mayor, just just a few

3:46:37comments. I I think we do need you you

3:46:39do need some sort of ordinance. You will

3:46:42we know we have one on the way and there

3:46:44will probably be more that follow. I I

3:46:47don't know of anything on the scale

3:46:48that's going on in Temple, but um

3:46:51they're coming. So, um I don't think

3:46:54you'll ever have all the information,

3:46:56but uh we need to be as ready as we can.

3:46:59And just one comment when when she

3:47:01mentioned permitted by right in certain

3:47:03areas, it wasn't just by right, it was

3:47:05by right subject to supplemental

3:47:08regulation. So it was almost like a

3:47:10modified cup there.

3:47:12>> Um so I I just wanted to to point that

3:47:15out. We weren't weren't suggesting

3:47:18you have that zone, you can put a data

3:47:20center there. There's there's a lot to

3:47:22that subject to supplemental regulations

3:47:25that will be a big part of fleshing out

3:47:27this ordinance. Um, on the electricity,

3:47:30I I think that's something that you

3:47:34might want to leave to the state is is

3:47:36why we put subject to approval from the

3:47:38state agencies because we don't have

3:47:41anybody on staff um that can evaluate

3:47:45those. We we'd have we I suppose have to

3:47:48hire outside expertise. All the other

3:47:50areas we deal with this stuff all the

3:47:52time. the the the water usage, the

3:47:54noise, the setback, the screening.

3:47:56There's all sorts of things you can do.

3:47:58Um, distance from residential. There

3:48:02there's a lot you can put into the

3:48:03ordinance to protect to protect folks.

3:48:06Um,

3:48:08so ju just I think those are the only

3:48:11comments that I had.

3:48:13>> Council member Kendricks.

3:48:18>> Okay. Um, I had one real real question.

3:48:22Um, do we have an uh in case somebody

3:48:25like we was talking about having the

3:48:27cup? Um, do with that plan have to have

3:48:33something in place if they violated the

3:48:36the conditional uses permit. Um, what

3:48:40would be the exit plan for them to be

3:48:43removed? There's already language in uh

3:48:48it's section 31456 that addresses if

3:48:52violations of a conditional use permit

3:48:54are or if conditions of a conditional

3:48:57use permit are violated that allows us

3:48:59to revoke the CU.

3:49:01>> Right. And and and I I understand that.

3:49:05Just like um Council Member Kimell said,

3:49:09if the state has something in place,

3:49:13would we be in violation? If if our

3:49:16ordinance says one thing, but we're

3:49:20trying to say you violated it, but the

3:49:22state says it's not a violation. I'm

3:49:25trying to how I know we don't know yet,

3:49:27but that's just something that I think

3:49:29we should think about and exit plan for

3:49:33that that data center if they was in

3:49:36violation.

3:49:37>> So again, um potentially the states

3:49:41whatever this the legislature does could

3:49:43could preempt whatever ordinance we come

3:49:45up with, but there would be a period of

3:49:48time before that or that statute would

3:49:50go into effect where we could modify our

3:49:51ordinance.

3:49:52>> Okay. And the last thing I just wanted

3:49:54to say to all my um council members is

3:49:58um no matter whether or not we put a

3:50:01data center here in Colleen or not, our

3:50:04rates are affected by other data centers

3:50:08that that are already on the grid.

3:50:12No, that's I read it. It's it's there.

3:50:14I'm just putting that out there. So, I

3:50:17mean, we can put in guard rails and

3:50:19everything, but just like um the city

3:50:22manager say, pretty much part of that

3:50:25you will have to leave to the PUC

3:50:27and UROT because they do a lot of that.

3:50:30So, we're we're already being affected

3:50:32by that, which is causing higher

3:50:35electric bills right now. So, I'm and I

3:50:39call for the vote.

3:50:41>> Second.

3:50:45>> Okay. Okay. Um,

3:50:47all in favor

3:50:50signify by yes or oppose. No.

3:50:54Your speak buttons on.

3:50:58>> Okay. Everybody talk.

3:51:07>> Motion pass.

3:51:09Uh, six to one. Mayor Poim opposing.

3:51:17Okay. Um, so we just go for the vote.

3:51:23All in favor?

3:51:31>> Yes. Uh, would you repeat the motion,

3:51:33please, city attorney?

3:51:35>> Yes, mayor. The motion I have is to um

3:51:39for the staff to draft an ordinance with

3:51:41a minimum of each data center having a

3:51:44cup.

3:51:47Okay. Um all in favor signify by yes.

3:51:52All oppose. No.

3:51:57[clears throat]

3:51:59Motion pass 6 to1.

3:52:06Yes, we Yes,

3:52:09we we see

3:52:11>> Oh, I'm sorry. The motion pass. Um,

3:52:17city secretary was five to 5 to two.

3:52:22>> Council member Sullen, are you recording

3:52:23the vote that way? I think Council

3:52:25Member Nashking is saying that there's a

3:52:27mistake in the

3:52:28>> city city.

3:52:31>> Um, we have

3:52:34Council member King voting no and

3:52:37Council Member Kimell voting no. Is that

3:52:39incorrect?

3:52:40>> Yes. I was trying to I'm not I'm trying

3:52:42to uh vote yes and I I I clicked on it

3:52:46and I clicked on no, but when I clicked

3:52:48on yes and no, it came up no, but I was

3:52:51trying to click on yes and it wasn't

3:52:54working for me. So I turned around hit

3:52:56no to see if that worked. But it it I'm

3:52:59not trying to if I can't change it, I

3:53:01won't. But I was really trying to um

3:53:04vote yes and I'm not trying to change if

3:53:06it's illegal

3:53:07>> because

3:53:08>> I don't know

3:53:09>> let us do it again.

3:53:10>> Mayor, it's up to I mean it once you

3:53:12call the vote then that's the final

3:53:13vote. So if you're calling it 5 to2 then

3:53:16that's that's it. And and you would need

3:53:18a motion to reconsider to open it back

3:53:20up. But if you're you can also

3:53:22acknowledge that there's somebody saying

3:53:23there's something wrong with the the um

3:53:25technology and take a hand vote or have

3:53:28the technology revoted. In all fairness,

3:53:31we've been having problem with

3:53:32technology all night.

3:53:35>> Yes. Um,

3:53:37council member Kimble.

3:53:39>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I make a motion

3:53:40that we reopen the vote due to technical

3:53:42issues that we've been having.

3:53:43>> There's a motion on the table.

3:53:46>> Not appropriate to have another motion.

3:53:47>> Oh, I thought that was

3:53:49>> so we can How can we

3:53:51>> You can decide. Are you calling the vote

3:53:53as it is on the tech technology or are

3:53:55you saying okay, Councilman Nking is

3:53:57saying that's incorrect, so I can hand

3:53:58vote. That's fine.

3:54:00Nothing's correct. So we hand vote.

3:54:05So all in favor raise your hand.

3:54:12>> All oppose.

3:54:14The motion pass 6 to one

3:54:19with [clears throat] council member

3:54:20Kimble

3:54:22opposing.

3:54:23>> Thank you.

3:54:24>> Thank you.

3:54:28Okay.

3:54:29>> Next discussion item. Item 21 DS-26-082.

3:54:37Discuss short-term rental regulations.

3:54:44>> Good evening.

3:54:45>> Good evening, Mayor, City Council. Um,

3:54:49I'll make this quick as I can because

3:54:52it's past my bedtime. But, um, right.

3:54:56Which one is it?

3:54:57>> Okay.

3:54:58>> The white.

3:55:00>> Okay.

3:55:02>> All right. All right. So, u the, um, so

3:55:06my goal here is to give you uh, enough

3:55:09information so that you can have a

3:55:11meaningful discussion on short-term

3:55:13rentals. Um, I'm just using the Jeopardy

3:55:16as a organizing tool. You do not have to

3:55:19answer in the form of a question. Uh,

3:55:22but I'm just going to go over these

3:55:23categories real quick. Challenges and

3:55:26court rulings, where are the owners,

3:55:28density, compliance, not so hot revenue,

3:55:32uh, improving compliance, conjunction,

3:55:35junction, and or uh you'll understand

3:55:37when we get there, and recommendations.

3:55:40So, uh, so real quick, uh, challenges in

3:55:43court rulings. Go over these real quick.

3:55:45So, cities have kind of an ambivalent,

3:55:47uh, uh, attitude towards STRs. They've,

3:55:51um, uh, they've tried to, uh, they're

3:55:54they get concerned about the, uh, about

3:55:56getting overrun in the, uh, uh, uh,

3:55:59residential neighborhoods. So, they've

3:56:00tried to rein them in to varying degrees

3:56:02of success. 2016, city of Austin passed

3:56:04an ordinance designed to phase out

3:56:07non-owner occupied short-term rentals.

3:56:09Property owners sued uh state and

3:56:11federal courts of appeal found that the

3:56:13ban was non was unconstitutional.

3:56:162018 Texas Supreme Court in Timberwood

3:56:19versus Tar ruled against Timberwood Park

3:56:22Homeowners Association uh when they

3:56:24tried to prevent uh homeowner Kenneth

3:56:27Tar from using his single family

3:56:30residence as a short-term rental. 2023,

3:56:32city of Dallas passed and is banning

3:56:34short-term rentals in single family

3:56:37residential neighborhoods. The Dallas

3:56:38Short-Term Rental Alliance uh succeeded

3:56:41in getting a temporary injunction, which

3:56:43is still in place uh pending a Texas

3:56:45Supreme Court ruling. And most recently,

3:56:48just this uh past summer in 2026, the

3:56:50fifth circuit court of appeals federal

3:56:52uh upheld, the district court ruling

3:56:55that New Brunals

3:56:57uh could enact an ordinance prohibiting

3:57:00short-term rentals in areas zone for

3:57:02residential. We'll have to see what

3:57:03happens if that gets kicked up to the uh

3:57:05Supreme Court. Um so, so where are our

3:57:10owners? So, this is a snapshot. As of uh

3:57:13there were 371

3:57:16uh STRs at the time of the audit. Uh of

3:57:19those 371 11 were owner occupied. 97

3:57:24were non-owner occupied in Colleen. 111

3:57:28were in Texas but not in Colleen. 49

3:57:30were in the United States but not in

3:57:32Texas. And three uh were abroad. Um a

3:57:36little just real quick on density. So

3:57:38this is the mechanism the city's used to

3:57:40to uh to to control the number of STRs

3:57:43in a particular area. Uh the uh

3:57:46benchmarking Khan does not have a

3:57:48density requirement. We had a

3:57:50requirement in the original ordinance.

3:57:53Uh the city council at the time removed

3:57:56it before they uh approved the

3:57:59ordinance. I think they probably did the

3:58:00right thing. Were in no danger of being

3:58:02overrun and they seem they seem fairly

3:58:04spread out. Um, Austin 1,000 ft apart

3:58:07for non-owner occupied. Belton 500 feet

3:58:09apart for non-owner occupied. Uh, San

3:58:12Antonio on a percentage basis. Uh, one

3:58:14in every eight units on one block face.

3:58:16That's one side of the street between

3:58:18two uh, uh, cross streets and Waco 500

3:58:21ft apart. Uh, that's for single family

3:58:23residents, multifamily residents. Uh,

3:58:26again, Colleen has no density

3:58:27requirement. Austin STR sites for more

3:58:31units greater one unit or 25% if at

3:58:34least one unit is for commercial use

3:58:36greater one unit or 10% if no commercial

3:58:39use a little bit tighter restrictions

3:58:41for the residential uh built-in no

3:58:44mention of density caps for multifamily

3:58:46San Antonio uh the same for a single

3:58:48family residence 12 and a half% one in

3:58:50every eight units uh real quick on so

3:58:53this was the main finding in the report

3:58:56uh was uh compliance That's Ed uh 209

3:59:00from Roocop. The uh so there were again

3:59:04a snapshot uh at the time of the audit

3:59:06there were 371

3:59:08uh STRs of which 30 were deemed in

3:59:12compliance as defined by uh current on

3:59:16uh taxes and current on registration. So

3:59:1938 uh coming out to 8%. Interestingly,

3:59:22the uh the majority of those that were

3:59:24compliant were actually nonowner um

3:59:27occupied. Uh so uh 8% um it kind of

3:59:32leads to eight non to non-compliance

3:59:35leads to not so high revenue and that's

3:59:38also what we found the uh so actual

3:59:40versus projected revenue. So at the time

3:59:43the ordinance was passed there was the

3:59:46staff had projected that there was

3:59:48700,000 in uh revenue out there from

3:59:51STRs. Uh for the first full year FY24 we

3:59:55brought in just under 30,000 291 1999.

3:59:59Uh now we paid the contractor 31,000. So

4:00:02we were actually negative cash flow for

4:00:04that year. That was a startup year.

4:00:07We'll cut some slack there. the FY25 it

4:00:09it went up a bit to 105,000

4:00:12again net of payments to the contractor

4:00:15about 70,000

4:00:17and uh then you would expect projected

4:00:20revenue of 700,000 you expect this to

4:00:23continue to go up at a kind of a 45

4:00:25degree angle but it looks like it's

4:00:27leveling off so FY26

4:00:30um we projected this at midy year that

4:00:33uh based on collections through March

4:00:3531st that revenue would be about

4:00:38107,000. We got the numbers for just got

4:00:41the numbers for the third quarter from

4:00:42finance. They're a little bit weaker

4:00:44than the third quarter for FY25. So that

4:00:46might be an overly optimistic

4:00:49uh projection. So one of two things is

4:00:52going on here. I either we have

4:00:54massively overestimated the amount of

4:00:56revenue out there or we're not doing a

4:00:58very good job at collecting taxes out

4:01:00there with with the 8% compliance rate

4:01:03tends to lean towards the uh the latter.

4:01:05So, uh, why do we care? This is the, uh,

4:01:08so I can't help us with the general

4:01:10fund, but this is the, uh, uh, the hott,

4:01:13uh, special revenue fund, which funds a

4:01:15lot of activities dear to our heart. Um,

4:01:18the, uh, arts commission grants. We were

4:01:20just talking about that tonight. That's

4:01:22at a low eb. Uh, the KC's, 25-year-old

4:01:26building, it needs a lot of TLC. The,

4:01:29uh, the rodeo grounds, they uh, they

4:01:31they need upkeeping. and special events

4:01:33like the uh uh backyard brew fest, one

4:01:36of my favorites, and the I'll skip

4:01:39through this in the interest of time.

4:01:40This is just a list of things that that

4:01:42need to get done at the uh KC, the

4:01:45special event center. There's uh there's

4:01:46no shortage of uh upkeep that needs to

4:01:49be done there, uh the memorials. So, 8%

4:01:52compliance rate. This is the statement

4:01:54of work for the contract uh contractor

4:01:57contractor short-term rental full

4:01:59service tax administration services as

4:02:02uh as a turnkey approach. That means you

4:02:04drop it in, it's ready to go. Turnkey

4:02:06approach to ensure appropriate

4:02:08monitoring, identification, compliance,

4:02:10collection, deposit, recording,

4:02:13delinquency, follow-up, and reporting of

4:02:15local short-term rental hotel occupancy

4:02:19tax.

4:02:20You can't look at a at a uh 8%

4:02:22compliance rate and say they're doing a

4:02:24very good job. That said, there are

4:02:26things that we can do on our end uh to

4:02:28increase the compliance rate. I'm going

4:02:29to talk about those three things right

4:02:32now. The uh so improving compliance. So,

4:02:35uh number one, inspections. The uh uh

4:02:38the ordinance calls for mandatory

4:02:40inspections as uh part of the

4:02:42application process. We looked at the uh

4:02:46uh we looked at the they they they

4:02:48appear to be inhibiting uh the

4:02:50registration process. We tracked a

4:02:52number of applications and we found that

4:02:54people were walking away. They're

4:02:55walking away from the process after one

4:02:57or more failed inspections. Now, they're

4:02:59not walking away from their STRs.

4:03:00They're they're continuing to operate

4:03:02their STRs, but they're kind of getting

4:03:03frustrated and giving up on the

4:03:05application process. It's an inefficient

4:03:07process. The city staff have to play

4:03:09middleman. Um the they have to so an uh

4:03:13applicant applies for a permit. The uh

4:03:17uh the city staff have to uh uh reach

4:03:21out to third party inspectors and uh

4:03:24schedule the inspections and then if

4:03:27they fail the inspection, it comes back

4:03:28to staff. They have to write up an

4:03:29explanation for the STR owner and uh a

4:03:33written explanation and and letter and

4:03:36send that to them. It's um uh analysis

4:03:39in-house analysis by building

4:03:40inspections last year estimated the

4:03:42staff pin about one and a half FTEEs uh

4:03:46related to the STRs. They're they're

4:03:47short staffed as it is. And finally, we

4:03:51looked at a number of uh reviews online

4:03:54of um the uh booking platforms reviews

4:03:58of STR guests who had stated STRs. We

4:04:01didn't find any complaints related to

4:04:03safety inspection issues. We think it's

4:04:05a low-risk item and that'll it'll

4:04:07streamline the process. It's not

4:04:09required by the state. Um, a number of

4:04:12cities that also do not require

4:04:14inspections. Austin, Belton, San

4:04:15Antonio, they have self-certification.

4:04:17Temple, Plano self-certification.

4:04:20Um, I talked to the finance director at

4:04:23uh Belton and he said they were uh that

4:04:27planning going on with on going with

4:04:29inspections when they were drafting the

4:04:31ordinance. They had a town hall with the

4:04:33STR owners and they said just you're

4:04:35killing us. They uh just uh uh we're all

4:04:38adults here. Tell us what we need to do.

4:04:40If we screw up, you know, you can come

4:04:41down on us. But they said they said a

4:04:43bad Yelp review will keep us in line

4:04:45more than the inspections. So, um so

4:04:49number one uh let's ditch the uh

4:04:51mandatory inspections. Um number two,

4:04:54credible deterrent factor. So um talk a

4:04:57little bit about this in the report.

4:04:58This was a 18th century um philosopher I

4:05:02know you want to know a lot about at

4:05:049:30 on uh the uh on Tuesday but um just

4:05:09u he he was one of the first who uh he

4:05:11postulated that that criminal activity

4:05:14is a a rational choice which therefore

4:05:17can be influenced by the perception that

4:05:20there will be consequences. They will be

4:05:22swift and they will be severe or severe

4:05:24enough kind of precursor to the broken

4:05:27windows. Uh so we're three years in now.

4:05:30Uh we've had code enforcement has

4:05:32handled about 20 STR related complaints

4:05:35involving four separate rentals. A

4:05:38majority of the complaints are related

4:05:39to STRs operating without a permit. One

4:05:42has been kind of a problem child cited

4:05:44numerously for trash and nuisance. We've

4:05:46had no prosecutions today for tax

4:05:48delinquency. We have an estimated

4:05:50700,000 out there. We're collecting

4:05:51100,000. We've had no prosecutions for

4:05:54tax delinquency. not a criticism of our

4:05:57prosecuting attorney. She's uh she's

4:05:59been trying to bring some cases, but

4:06:01she's not getting the the evidence that

4:06:03she needs from the contractor. And also,

4:06:06we don't have we need some kind of a

4:06:09some kind of an overriding, some kind of

4:06:10a uh uh overriding SOP that brings

4:06:13together all the departments involved in

4:06:15this activity so everybody understands

4:06:17their roles and their responsibilities

4:06:19and been pushing these paces these cases

4:06:22through. the we got finance, we got uh

4:06:25code enforcement, inspections u and of

4:06:28course in the attorney's office of

4:06:30course. Um so um we got to do something

4:06:33to get on the board uh so to create some

4:06:36kind of a deterrent factor here. uh some

4:06:38of the evidence that uh prosecuting

4:06:40attorney said that she needs the uh the

4:06:42evidence establishing ownership of STR

4:06:44in question, evidence joint booking

4:06:46dates and rental rates, uh STR

4:06:48registration status, tax filings,

4:06:50payment history, booking calendars, uh

4:06:53uh host information, screenshots. So, um

4:06:57and then, uh so number two, uh let's

4:07:00let's see if we can get on the board, uh

4:07:01prosecution wise, the uh uh and then

4:07:04three, uh platform accountability. This

4:07:06is probably one of the most powerful

4:07:07tools that the cities have out there uh

4:07:10that a lot of them are adopting. Austin,

4:07:12San Antonio, Plano, Denver. We talked to

4:07:15Denver. They have a 70% compliance rate

4:07:17which they attributed uh in large part

4:07:19to the these platform accountability

4:07:22provisions. Basically, it says the uh

4:07:24these platforms, Airbnb, Verbbo, uh

4:07:27Facebook Marketplace, they uh have to

4:07:30they can they cannot post an STR on

4:07:33their on their on their platform unless

4:07:35they have a valid uh registration number

4:07:37and and they have to remove any that do

4:07:40not have valid registration permit

4:07:41numbers. Um so, and they this one and it

4:07:45has been challenged and it has been

4:07:47knocked down so we're in good shape

4:07:48there. This is at in New Orleans federal

4:07:50district court. subsequently affirmed by

4:07:53the fifth US Court of Appeals uh

4:07:55dismissed a major lawsuit by Airbnb

4:07:58challenging city permit rules. Uh the

4:08:00court upheld the city's power to require

4:08:02booking platforms. So that's that's our

4:08:04circuit, the fifth circuit. So we're in

4:08:05good shape. Um the uh the platforms are

4:08:08used to cities uh already uh uh

4:08:11requiring it, so it shouldn't be a

4:08:13problem. Okay. Conjunction Junction,

4:08:14what's your function? Um I'm going to

4:08:16get a little bit into the weeds uh here.

4:08:20Uh the uh bear with me. So the original

4:08:23contract uh the original contract called

4:08:25for fees to be paid on an annual basis

4:08:28upfront at the beginning of the year and

4:08:31to be paid on a per property basis. 255

4:08:34per property or 15,000. the greater of

4:08:38those if you do your if you do the math

4:08:40it's if you have 58 or fewer properties

4:08:43uh then uh you would go with the higher

4:08:45with the with 15,000 criteria uh for

4:08:49determining billable properties is down

4:08:51here on the left is known registered and

4:08:54active listing properties. Okay. So

4:08:56finance wanted to go the pay as you go

4:08:58basis. They wanted to to shift over to a

4:09:01monthly basis. So they asked the

4:09:02contractor for an amendment, an amended

4:09:04contract to move from annual to monthly

4:09:07and the contractor agreed. They changed

4:09:10the uh the contract from monthly to

4:09:12billing, but they also changed the

4:09:14billing criteria. Uh and unfortunately

4:09:18it kind of kind of slipped by us because

4:09:19we weren't looking for it. But uh uh so

4:09:21they changed from uh known registered

4:09:24and active to known registered active

4:09:26and or unidentified. So uh just looking

4:09:29at a vin diagram. Well, this is the

4:09:31original contract. Uh this small subset

4:09:34of uh STRs that are known, registered

4:09:37and active. And the the use of and in a

4:09:39mathematical context that that means

4:09:41kind of if go back to your high school

4:09:43logic is is if every component of the

4:09:46equation has to be true for the whole

4:09:47thing to be true. So if A and B then C

4:09:50is true. So uh known registered and

4:09:53active the original contract. So uh and

4:09:56or unidentified. I'm not even sure what

4:09:58unidentified means, but that blew up the

4:10:00criteria

4:10:01uh for billable properties. So, the

4:10:04contractor went to town with that. So,

4:10:06the uh uh the so the first invoice we

4:10:08got August 2023, they build us for 492.8

4:10:12billable properties, 10,472.

4:10:16We brought in 367

4:10:18in uh hotel taxes uh for that month. So,

4:10:21basically, they charge us 10,000 to

4:10:22bring in 300. um that the the uh finance

4:10:26director to her credit said we're not

4:10:28paying this. Uh so this went on for 13

4:10:31months with the uh the contractor

4:10:33sending in these jacked up invoices and

4:10:35the uh uh the finance director saying

4:10:38talk to the hand. So the um so had we

4:10:41had we um had we ever stamped these

4:10:43invoices then we would have been in the

4:10:45hole nearly 100,000 for that 13-month

4:10:48period. Uh now eventually the uh the

4:10:52contractor came to the table when they

4:10:54realized we weren't going to pay and

4:10:55said, "All right, we'll we'll we'll

4:10:57compromise." So they uh so they proposed

4:11:00123 billable properties. Uh not totally

4:11:02out of their hat. It uh that that it

4:11:04looks like that was based on the number

4:11:06of STRs that are that were submitting

4:11:08taxes. There are some STRs that pay

4:11:10taxes that are not not registered. So

4:11:12that it it appears to align with that.

4:11:15So it's much better than 100,000 in the

4:11:17hole. we still came up uh with a

4:11:19negative cash flow for that 13-month

4:11:21period. Um our take um is that um we

4:11:25didn't ask for this uh change uh we

4:11:28didn't authorize it this change in

4:11:30criteria. So uh we should uh so we

4:11:33should be paying the the 15,000 based on

4:11:36the number of registered properties that

4:11:38we have now. We kind of we signed the

4:11:41amendment so we're kind of stuck there.

4:11:42But going forward, our take is that uh

4:11:45we should get the uh we should have the

4:11:47uh contract amended uh to return to the

4:11:49original uh criteria and then we should

4:11:52be paying the basically the uh the

4:11:55minimum uh based on based on their

4:11:57performance. Um and that leads me into

4:11:59the recommendations. So the uh so we

4:12:02recommended that uh that we amend

4:12:05chapter 31 article 7 by uh eliminating

4:12:09mandatory inspections adding booking

4:12:11platform accountability provisions and

4:12:14we uh request contract amendment to

4:12:17restore the original billing language

4:12:19and that we develop interdep

4:12:20departmental policy and procedures for

4:12:23prosecuting STR permit violations. That

4:12:25concludes my presentation and I will

4:12:28attempt to end. Is there any questions

4:12:30to the best of my ability?

4:12:34[sighs]

4:12:36>> Council member Nashk.

4:12:38>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Grady, thank

4:12:41you. That was that was a lot quick.

4:12:43Thank you for that.

4:12:45>> Uh um your recommendation is great your

4:12:48slideshow, but I thought that um we had

4:12:51this problem like a year ago. We we knew

4:12:54we had some concerns and Mr. Kagel

4:12:58correct me or Miss Tangelin if that's

4:13:00okay with you Mr. Mayor I want to come

4:13:03back ask this but I thought we we agreed

4:13:05that um the council agreed we was it was

4:13:09going to be rectified we was going with

4:13:11another company uh once we

4:13:14[clears throat] realized they were

4:13:15overcharging us I thought we if I'm

4:13:17wrong I thought we fixed this

4:13:20so oh is that okay Mr. the mayor cuz

4:13:23that I thought that was the council

4:13:25direction that hey, we knew we had a

4:13:27problem and thank you for the audit cuz

4:13:30you you showed me some more stuff I

4:13:31didn't know uh about the process. So,

4:13:35could you help me with that, Miss

4:13:37Tangelin, because we knew a year ago

4:13:39there was some concerns and everything

4:13:42and

4:13:43>> uh yes, we uh Mr. Grady did the added uh

4:13:47a review at the audit committee meeting

4:13:48and then we had this conversation about

4:13:50the vendor and the uh the plan was to do

4:13:53an RFP to look for another vendor right

4:13:56>> uh we didn't do the RFP this year

4:13:58because we have a lot of changes uh in

4:14:01uh finance with a new ERP system. uh so

4:14:04and I just cutting uh the vendor uh and

4:14:08go with another one is not as easy

4:14:10because this vendor doesn't just collect

4:14:13STRs they also collect the hotel taxes

4:14:16right and then that is the biggest part

4:14:18the uh 1.8 8 million that they collect

4:14:21for the hotel taxes and it's just a

4:14:24100,000 that they collect for uh the uh

4:14:26STRs. They only charge us 11,000 for the

4:14:30tax collections for the hotels and then

4:14:32that's the reason we didn't go uh did

4:14:34the RFP this year, but it's something

4:14:36that we already have working on to do

4:14:38for next year.

4:14:39>> Oh, okay. I I I just thought we worked

4:14:42on it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. So,

4:14:44that makes sense now.

4:14:45>> Thank you. Thank you, Mr.

4:14:47>> Council Member Brown.

4:14:48>> I

4:14:50[clears throat]

4:14:51I move to direct staff to come back with

4:14:54the recommended changes from the

4:14:55presentation for our review.

4:14:59>> Is there a second?

4:15:01Council [clears throat] movement Nash

4:15:02King.

4:15:03>> Second.

4:15:04>> Is there any discussion?

4:15:07[cough and clears throat]

4:15:08Discussion. All in favor signify by yes.

4:15:11[snorts] All oppose. No.

4:15:18Oh Jesus. Yes.

4:15:22>> Okay. Uh incorrect uh voting list with

4:15:27the electronic system.

4:15:30Um

4:15:31>> let's raise your hand. All in favor,

4:15:33would you raise your hand?

4:15:36Okay.

4:15:37>> Motion pass. 7 to Z.

4:15:45Okay. Um, Madam Secretary,

4:15:55item 22 DS-26-083.

4:16:00Discuss national night out and city

4:16:02council meeting conflict on October 6th,

4:16:052026 and consider possible time or date

4:16:09change.

4:16:11>> Mr. Mr. Kle.

4:16:13>> Yes, sir. Mayor and council, as you

4:16:15know, at our we have a conflict of sorts

4:16:17with our next council meeting, October

4:16:206th. We start at uh 5:00, but National

4:16:24Night Out is generally 5 to 8:00 p.m.

4:16:27So, if we have the regular time, you're

4:16:29not going to be able to go to National

4:16:30Night Out. And I know, and I feel

4:16:32certain that everyone wants to do that.

4:16:35Um, so here's some possible rescheduling

4:16:38options. In instead of having it on

4:16:41Tuesday, have it on Wednesday or

4:16:43Thursday, the 7th or 8th. You could uh

4:16:47move it to Tuesday of the next week, the

4:16:4913th, but then you're going to have

4:16:51backtoback meetings. You'll have one on

4:16:53the 13th and the 20th. Um, the problem

4:16:57with moving it a day early is you have a

4:17:00planning and zoning comm joint

4:17:02commission meeting. So, your council

4:17:04meeting would have to be after that. Um,

4:17:08and September 29 doesn't really work

4:17:10because we need to have two meetings a

4:17:12month. So, that that we that uh

4:17:14shouldn't have been on there. We were

4:17:15thinking about it at first, but then

4:17:17realized we need two meetings in the

4:17:19month. So, I I think your best options

4:17:22are the 7th, October 7th, 8th, or third

4:17:2513th.

4:17:28Okay.

4:17:30All right. Council member Brown.

4:17:35Um, my only question about doing it on

4:17:37the 13th is would we have a quorum here?

4:17:41I know that's a USA that week.

4:17:44>> I think uh the mayor is is going Is that

4:17:47correct? You're going to a USA? I I'm

4:17:49not for sure the dates.

4:17:51>> Uh I think the dates are uh yeah from 12

4:17:55Yeah, it is. Um I think 1214.

4:18:00I I I think that keeping it within that

4:18:03same week would be preferable. So my

4:18:06preference would be the eighth.

4:18:13>> Would you say that again, Council Member

4:18:15Brown?

4:18:17>> I think it would be best to keep it that

4:18:19same week. So my preference would be on

4:18:21the ETH.

4:18:22>> Be the ETH would

4:18:24>> So make it on that Thursday.

4:18:32Okay. Um,

4:18:36all right. Council member Nash King.

4:18:43>> I I agree.

4:18:46Wednesday is a church night for a lot of

4:18:48people. So, I think Thursday, October

4:18:50the 8th, would be a good choice.

4:18:57Okay. Um,

4:19:00>> anyone else?

4:19:04>> I would if that if that was a motion, I

4:19:06second it.

4:19:08>> With the time as well.

4:19:09>> It wasn't a motion.

4:19:10>> Okay.

4:19:11>> Was a motion.

4:19:11>> I I will make a motion uh that we change

4:19:15the city council meeting to October the

4:19:178th at 5:00 pm.

4:19:25Is there a second?

4:19:28>> I second it.

4:19:30>> Second by council member Williams. Open

4:19:32for discussion. Mayor Pro Tim. Yeah,

4:19:36>> council member Kimell.

4:19:38>> Mr. Mayor, for the council, is it

4:19:40possible we can have that meeting on a

4:19:42second earlier in the day?

4:19:46>> Maybe 2:00 we'll be finishing. We can

4:19:49then we if we have the meeting at 2:00

4:19:51then we can make national night out at 5

4:19:53>> without disrupting everybody's

4:19:56already scheduled off days cuz I had I

4:20:00had time off on the

4:20:02>> when

4:20:04>> I mean we have early is there is there

4:20:06an issue with early in the day?

4:20:07>> Are you talking about the same day of

4:20:08national night out?

4:20:10>> That would be two different motions.

4:20:13>> I we're under discussion. I just I

4:20:14didn't know I didn't know if the second

4:20:16during the day was available maybe at

4:20:18starting at 2.

4:20:20>> Well, uh I I think the problem with it,

4:20:23Mr. KGO, isn't it depends on how long

4:20:25our meetings would go. We we it could be

4:20:28anywhere from four to five hours.

4:20:30>> Yes, sir. That's We're going on five

4:20:32hours tonight.

4:20:33>> Oh, God.

4:20:34>> Jesus.

4:20:36>> Yeah. It's it's a fairly fairly long

4:20:38agenda.

4:20:39>> Wow.

4:20:39>> Thank you.

4:20:44Okay. If there um what could you repeat

4:20:47the motion again, please?

4:20:50>> The motion I have is to change the uh

4:20:53October 6th meeting to October 8th at

4:20:565:00 p.m.

4:20:59>> Okay. Uh if there's no discussion, all

4:21:01in favor signify by yes. All oppose, no.

4:21:07[cough]

4:21:08[clears throat]

4:21:20Yes.

4:21:21>> Did everyone vote?

4:21:22>> Yes. For me?

4:21:24>> Okay. Uh,

4:21:29>> okay. We'll we'll use the uh hand raise.

4:21:33All All in favor, raise your hand,

4:21:35please.

4:21:38That's what three.

4:21:41>> Okay. All oppose.

4:21:44Okay. The motion pass two

4:21:47with

4:21:51Council Member uh Kimell and Council

4:21:54Member Kendrick's opposed.

4:21:58Okay. So, that's set for October the 8th

4:22:01at at five. We did 5:00 PM.

4:22:05>> Yes, sir.

4:22:09Okay. Um, thank you, Mr. K. [snorts]

4:22:14Okay. U

4:22:20Okay. So, now it is time for

4:22:24citizens comments on items that are

4:22:26listed that are not listed on the agenda

4:22:28for the meeting tonight. Citizens will

4:22:31have three minutes to speak. Comments

4:22:33under this section are limited to the

4:22:36first 10 members of the public to sign

4:22:38up to speak. The mayor and council

4:22:41members will not discuss items that are

4:22:44not on the agenda nor respond other than

4:22:48possible offer a brief statement or

4:22:51specific factual information

4:22:55or propose to place an item on the

4:22:57agenda for a future meeting. Madame City

4:23:01Secretary, please call the first name.

4:23:03>> We have three speakers. Uh speaker

4:23:06number one is Heather McMillan, who is a

4:23:08virtual speaker.

4:23:11>> Hello, council and staff. Thank you once

4:23:14again for allowing me to speak via Zoom.

4:23:16It's a great resource for citizens who

4:23:18are unable to attend meetings but still

4:23:20want to engage with the city. I would

4:23:23like to let you all know Miss Tori

4:23:24Bethany has been amazing at organizing

4:23:27and administrating of the remote

4:23:29engagement. I w um I would like to make

4:23:32a request for the Zoom capabilities to

4:23:35be added to the city agenda. Since the

4:23:38city is invested in this technology, it

4:23:40should be used for more than just city

4:23:42council meetings and should be used for

4:23:43all public hearings, not just city

4:23:46council. I requested to use Zoom

4:23:48yesterday for PNZ meeting on a public

4:23:51hearing that affected my property, but

4:23:53was informed Zoom was only approved

4:23:55through the governing standards for the

4:23:57city council meetings and not PNZ. I

4:24:01have called into PNZ meetings in the

4:24:03past and thought that now the city has

4:24:05Zoom, I would be able to be allowed to

4:24:07do so. I am grateful that Councilwoman

4:24:10Brown offered for me to call in on her

4:24:12phone for the meeting after she saw the

4:24:15email stated I was denied Zoom and it

4:24:18was not available. If not being for her

4:24:20at the meeting and letting me call in on

4:24:22her phone, I would not have been able to

4:24:24speak. So, if you could please change

4:24:27this policy, it would be great for

4:24:29citizens who cannot attend public

4:24:31hearings in person. I would also like uh

4:24:35like you all to know the importance of

4:24:36non-aggenda comment period and thank you

4:24:39all for that as well. Last meeting that

4:24:42I spoke at in reference to code

4:24:44enforcement and the disparities in the

4:24:46city's app click see fix. The next day,

4:24:49I received a call from court postman and

4:24:52they started addressing the issues that

4:24:54I attempted to address for years to

4:24:56include the inadequate workings of the

4:24:58app along with ways that they could try

4:25:00to communicate better within the

4:25:02departments to fix these issues so they

4:25:04do not continue

4:25:08for all the citizens who put items on

4:25:10the citizen clicks.

4:25:13This was an issue that I would have

4:25:14never been able to address in the past

4:25:17because it was not on the agenda.

4:25:19[snorts] So kudos to code enforcement

4:25:22team for quickly working on solutions to

4:25:24this problem. And also to all of you for

4:25:26final finally allowing non-aggenda items

4:25:29for citizens to address these types of

4:25:31issues when we as citizens have not been

4:25:33able to get responses or resolutions in

4:25:36other forms of communications in the

4:25:38past. I appreciate your time and please

4:25:42um put on the agenda that Zoom should be

4:25:44capable for all public hearings. It's

4:25:46only fair you paid for that service. Let

4:25:49that service be used and not just

4:25:51streamlined into one meeting. Thank you.

4:25:56>> Thank you, ma'am.

4:25:58>> Second speaker, Dr. Sue Nissi Croft.

4:26:06>> Good evening, ma'am. Good evening,

4:26:08y'all.

4:26:10Uh, I got paper today, so I'm not going

4:26:12to be up here very long. Uh, as you all

4:26:16know, school is in uh for the kiddos,

4:26:19and usually the kids get a report card.

4:26:22After about 13 weeks, they get a report

4:26:24card. Well, I'm here to give the city

4:26:27council a report card. You've been here

4:26:30for approximately 13 sessions

4:26:33and um that includes special meetings. I

4:26:37want to say you all have done an

4:26:39excellent job. Okay. Ratings not so

4:26:42good. Uh I have checked your

4:26:45accountability on certain things that

4:26:48are are being put before you and you are

4:26:51checking the citizens and the

4:26:53contractors and everybody else on your

4:26:55accountability.

4:26:57uh clarifications. You all definitely

4:27:00asking for clarification on certain

4:27:02items even if they have to be repeated

4:27:05several times and I appreciate that

4:27:07because it makes me a citizen uh

4:27:10understand exactly what's going on up

4:27:13here. you've asked a lot of questions of

4:27:16the people who come up here doing their

4:27:19proposals and I appreciate that because

4:27:22that gives me a lot more information to

4:27:25go by as a citizen looking out for the

4:27:27quality of life of the 494.

4:27:31You've also uh requested additional

4:27:33information and I saw that here tonight

4:27:36and I appreciate you asking for

4:27:38additional information. Why? because it

4:27:41makes us citizens more aware of what is

4:27:45definitely needed uh to make the

4:27:48decisions that you all have to make. Um

4:27:52overall respect for each other's

4:27:54opinions was definitely uh showed up

4:27:57here tonight as you all uh haggled over

4:28:02certain things but yet and still you

4:28:05came to a conclusion. you respected each

4:28:07other. Sometimes, you know, uh things

4:28:10have to uh kind of settle out, but

4:28:13overall score, I give you all a C+ and

4:28:17you're doing a great job. Thank you.

4:28:21>> Thank you, ma'am.

4:28:22>> Third speaker, Malcolm Gray.

4:28:34>> Good evening, sir. Good evening. Um, I

4:28:38just had some uh some things. I was

4:28:40going through the city of Colleen. I've

4:28:41been here for about nine years. Um, I

4:28:44been to a bunch of different other

4:28:45cities as well. Um, when you guys are

4:28:48talking about trying to improve or

4:28:50trying to um, gain income sources,

4:28:55I don't know if you guys have thought

4:28:56about it, but I think you guys

4:28:57definitely need to look into creating or

4:28:59building a um,

4:29:02a parking deck because this city can

4:29:04produce the income. If you have events,

4:29:07it's 100, it's about 164,000 people in

4:29:10the city of Colleen. There's no way you

4:29:13can even get a quarter of that downtown.

4:29:15there's nowhere to park. So, you're

4:29:17limiting yourself on the income that you

4:29:19can make because there's nowhere for

4:29:20people to go. Um secondly, uh

4:29:25what else? Uh

4:29:28when it comes to the homelessness

4:29:29situation, um I think that I don't know

4:29:33if you guys have it or not. I haven't

4:29:34checked anything, but when it comes to

4:29:36ADUs, that's um accessory dwellings and

4:29:39units. Um, I know you guys have an issue

4:29:41right now with um, Airbnbs, but it's not

4:29:45the same thing as pretty much having a

4:29:46rental property in your backyard. Um, it

4:29:49would help because right now financially

4:29:51people are struggling. You know,

4:29:52groceries going up, economies,

4:29:54everybody's doing bad for the most part.

4:29:56You know what I'm saying? From where we

4:29:57were because of inflation. If you allow

4:29:59people to have accessory dwellings in

4:30:01their backyards, you can always charge

4:30:03for um taxes on the access the the

4:30:07amount of um what is it called? The

4:30:11property value, the increase on the

4:30:12property value, you can charge the taxes

4:30:14based off of that. Um and as far as um

4:30:17the data centers, I say no data centers.

4:30:20That's just me. Um, no data centers

4:30:22because I feel like if we're gonna um

4:30:27I feel like it's a hazard. One more

4:30:29time. Um, I feel like it's a hazard, but

4:30:31also at the same time, I know that they

4:30:33already have data centers want to come

4:30:34here. Um, I know they can Oh, it is. My

4:30:37bad. All right.

4:30:43>> It's not It's wrong. That's wrong.

4:30:46>> It's red on his screen.

4:30:49My Tom says is

4:30:51>> I still got time.

4:30:52>> Uh, city secretary, excuse me, city

4:30:55secretary.

4:30:57>> I didn't hear a beep.

4:30:59>> Okay.

4:30:59>> And I may not have cleared.

4:31:01>> So, sir, come back.

4:31:02>> This is Dr. Croft's time.

4:31:04>> Come back up, sir. Our apologies if we

4:31:07we're having technical difficulty here.

4:31:11>> Let's put

4:31:12>> um

4:31:12>> a minute on them. So, yeah, the the

4:31:15dwelling units, but also uh the other

4:31:16part is I don't know if yall heard of um

4:31:19the NEVs, those are neighborhood

4:31:20electric vehicles. Uh right now, you

4:31:22know, gas prices are going up. Um I

4:31:24think that it' be a great idea if um you

4:31:26guys were able to change the speed

4:31:28limits within certain areas to 45 miles

4:31:31per hour that allows people to have

4:31:32small EVs or scooters, whatever the case

4:31:35may be, to for mobility to get around

4:31:37versus having cars. But at the same

4:31:39time, um, and that's because the the

4:31:41state says that it has to be, um, 45

4:31:43miles or less. Um, we can't we can't

4:31:45change unless you had to vote. Um, but

4:31:47then also at the same time, I bring

4:31:49businesses downtown because of the

4:31:50simple fact that you could charge, you

4:31:52can have charging stations. So, if I'm

4:31:53an entrepreneur, I can go and create a

4:31:55little EV charging station for people

4:31:57that want to charge stations or whatever

4:31:58the case may be. Um, if you want to have

4:32:00businesses come downtown, I say you want

4:32:02to um reduce or at least for a year to

4:32:05two years give them a tax incentive to

4:32:06come downtown so they can at least

4:32:08start. You know, most small businesses

4:32:09take about four years to become

4:32:11profitable. So, if you give them at

4:32:12least a tax break for a year to two

4:32:13years halfway in between, then you have

4:32:15more individuals that want to start

4:32:17businesses to start businesses and then

4:32:18if they don't succeed, then of course

4:32:20you can you can you it is what it is.

4:32:22Um,

4:32:26oh yeah, and then yeah, just the data

4:32:27centers. I just I don't think it'll be a

4:32:29good idea to do that um because of the

4:32:31hazards. But outside of that, if you

4:32:33grandfather them in or however it's

4:32:34going to work out, um I say the citizens

4:32:38at at the end of the day, we don't have

4:32:40to do what other cities do. If Temple

4:32:42has a data center, let them have a data

4:32:43center. Data centers do not bring jobs.

4:32:45They yes, you know, it limits traffic

4:32:47and all that type of stuff because

4:32:48there's nobody that works there. So,

4:32:50you're not going to have people to work

4:32:51there. So, you're going to lose income,

4:32:53right? So, the more people that have

4:32:54jobs, that's going to put money into

4:32:55your into your economy. people that

4:32:57don't have jobs and you got a big

4:32:58warehouse sitting empty, you're not

4:33:00going to make any money outside of

4:33:02course the taxes because big

4:33:03corporations own them. They're going to

4:33:04they're going to pay you for that, but

4:33:05at the end of the day, it's not looking

4:33:06out for your citizens in the long term.

4:33:08Um, that's just me. Sorry.

4:33:10>> Thank you, sir.

4:33:11>> Y'all have a good

4:33:12>> Thank you. Thank you so much.

4:33:15[clears throat]

4:33:15>> We have no more speakers tonight.

4:33:18>> Okay. Thank you. Uh,

4:33:20council, I would entertain a motion to

4:33:24dismiss. Uh, move to Council member

4:33:27Nashki.

4:33:28>> I move to adjourn.

4:33:30>> Council member uh Brown.

4:33:32>> Second.

4:33:36>> All in favor?

4:33:39We need to join. Y'all have a good