2026-10-15 - Board of Police Commissioners

00:00Thank you very much.

00:01At this time we will have the invocation

00:03by Chaplain David Boyd.

00:09>> Let us all bow our heads to pray.

00:11Father, in the name of Jesus, we come to

00:13say thank you, Lord. Thank you for life,

00:14health, and strength. We thank you for

00:16the board commission meeting today, God.

00:18We have to do a bind us together in

00:20unity and peace. Lord, we thank you for

00:22all of the Detroit Police Department and

00:24the leadership. We pray now that you

00:26would just have your Holy Ghost power

00:28fall fresh in this place. Fill it with

00:30wisdom, God. And God, we give you all

00:32honor, glory, and praise. It is in

00:33Jesus' name we pray. Amen.

00:36>> Amen. Thank you very much, Chaplain

00:38Boyd. Uh at this time we will have the

00:41introduction of the commissioners. Uh

00:43Madam Secretary.

00:47>> Commissioner Jones.

00:48>> Present.

00:49>> Commissioner Watts.

00:50>> Here.

00:51>> Commissioner Bowman.

00:53>> Present.

00:54>> Commissioner Camille.

00:55>> Present.

00:57>> Commissioner

01:00Dewash.

01:01>> Present.

01:02>> Commissioner Ivy.

01:03>> Present.

01:04>> Commissioner Morris.

01:05>> Present.

01:06>> Commissioner Williams.

01:07>> Present.

01:08>> Commissioner Woods.

01:09>> Present.

01:12>> Nine present, sir.

01:14>> Thank you very much, Madam Secretary.

01:16Uh commissioners, uh the chair will now

01:18entertain a uh motion for the approval

01:21of today's agenda. Support.

01:24>> Mr. Chair, I would like to uh

01:26support the uh

01:28support uh moving

01:31uh the approval of the agenda with the

01:33requesting that the uh

01:36uh HR uh report and the secretary report

01:41uh be postponed uh to uh next week and

01:44bring in um

01:46item number uh

01:48uh eight uh after the uh

01:52uh chief of police report. Okay, I'm so

01:54sorry.

01:56Okay, I'm on now. Okay.

02:00I'm maxing that uh

02:02uh that we amend the agenda

02:04uh to

02:06uh postpone the HR report and the

02:09secretary report until next week and

02:13that we bring uh

02:16uh new business up uh after the uh chief

02:19of police report.

02:20>> Support.

02:22>> All right, it is it has been moved and

02:24supported that uh today's agenda that we

02:28uh postpone item number five, which is

02:31the human resources uh

02:33bureau report, and we also postpone item

02:37uh number uh six, which is the report

02:40from the board secretary, and we're

02:42looking to have both of those postponed

02:44uh postponed until next week. Is there

02:47any discussion on the uh that motion?

02:52Hearing none, all in favor of the

02:53motion, please indicate by saying I.

02:55>> I.

02:56>> Opposed?

02:57Motion does carry.

03:02Now we will move on. The chair will

03:04entertain a motion for the approval of

03:06the uh meeting minutes for last

03:08Thursday, October the 8th.

03:10>> Support.

03:12>> To be moved.

03:13>> Uh second.

03:15>> Thank you. It has been moved and

03:17supported uh that we approve the meeting

03:20minutes from last Thursday's October the

03:238th uh meeting. Is there any discussion

03:25on the motion?

03:27Hearing none, all in favor of the

03:28motion, please indicate by saying I.

03:30>> I.

03:31>> That motion does carry.

03:33Uh now we will have a introduction of

03:35the BOPC staff, the chief of police,

03:38elected officials or their

03:39representatives, and community leaders,

03:41and that will be given uh by the board

03:43secretary.

03:46>> Mr. Chair, through the chair, BOPC staff

03:48present, Johnya Underwood, Dior Mathis,

03:52Armecia Joshua, Mary Barber, Drew

03:55Freeze,

03:56BOPC Chief Investigator Jerome Warfield

03:59Sr.

04:03From OCI, Lesonya Sloan and Tiffany

04:06Stewart.

04:08We also have Chief Toddy Bettison, Chief

04:11of Police present. The interpreters

04:14today are Angelique Taylor

04:17and Ms. B D, I believe.

04:20Court Reporter Hanson Court Reporting

04:22Media Services is Charles Henry.

04:28I do not see Ms. Overall.

04:30We have Ms. Friger Butler, Second

04:32Precinct Community Activist J. G. Love,

04:35representative of City Council Member

04:37Renata Withers' office, Mark Young

04:40Lieutenant and Sergeant Association

04:42President.

04:44And we also have on Zoom

04:50former Commissioner Ricardo Moore and

04:54former Commissioner William Davis as

04:56well as

04:59Marie Overall is on Zoom today as well,

05:02sir. And those are only persons

05:05registered at this time.

05:06>> Thank you, Madam Secretary. Uh please

05:08let the records reflect that we have

05:10been joined by a corporate counsel,

05:12Conrad Mallett.

05:16Uh at this time we will move to uh

05:19oral communications and public comments.

05:24Ms. Underwood.

05:25>> Thank you.

05:25>> Oh, let me let me say this. Each speaker

05:28will have 2 minutes.

05:30Inappropriate language and comments may

05:32delay broadcast and uh video post.

05:36Please

05:37help protect your privacy during this

05:39public meeting. While speaking, do not

05:42state your address or any phone numbers.

05:45Thank you, Ms. Underwood.

05:48>> We're just bringing up the clock and

05:50it'll be just a a few moments. The

05:53first three speakers will be

05:56Ms. Williams,

05:58Ms. Stewart, and Brother Cunningham.

06:00Please state your name for the record.

06:03>> Hello.

06:04>> Ms. Williams, just give me 1 second. Uh

06:07please let the records reflect that we

06:08have been joined by uh Commissioner

06:11Alicia Carter.

06:12Thank you. I'm sorry, Ms. Williams.

06:14>> No problem through the chair. Okay, so

06:17the complaints I've been having

06:19concerning Ms.

06:21Her mother's on the force also with a

06:23fake name. Ms.

06:25So, I found out this last week that

06:28she's on the force with a fake name.

06:31This woman has done did so much illegal

06:33stuff, and this is what I've been

06:35complaining about. Half of the

06:38Detroit Police Department

06:40cuz when she white was the chief, it was

06:42like 1,300. So, it's very unfortunate.

06:46It's almost what? 4 something? My point

06:49is you don't know what you going get

06:50when you call 911. We got ex-offenders

06:53on here, killers and rapists like I

06:55said. Because the man who raped me, they

06:57didn't move him from the third.

06:59This the fourth time he didn't been

07:01moved. Ms.

07:02It's on the force with a alias name. Ms.

07:06work at the third, and I'm glad the boss

07:08from is here from the turn off fears.

07:11It's very unfortunate when you all sit

07:13up and hear this all the time and not do

07:15anything. But the point is they

07:17shouldn't have never been allowed to be

07:19on the force, period, if they had did

07:21their job correctly by the law, period.

07:24Cuz this woman has gave me the blues.

07:26And she on the force? This lunatic? You

07:29done released nuts in this city

07:32with weapons and badges. The badges are

07:35real cuz they recycle them.

07:37But we got lunatics running around and

07:41impersonating police officers.

07:43Because it's time for the top to the

07:45bottom.

07:46It's not acceptable, period.

07:49Non-Americans get to vote in our

07:51election process.

07:54It's a due process. You needs to get

07:58If you want to become a US citizen, do

08:00it the right way.

08:01They come to the city council meetings.

08:03They want to have a what? City? No, the

08:07city don't want it to be a sanctuary

08:08city cuz they don't want to lose that

08:10money. So, at the end of the line, the

08:12end of the day, it is on the down low.

08:15I'm tired of this and it start from the

08:18top to the bottom like I said. Have a

08:20great day.

08:21>> Thank you, Ms. Williams. Next speaker,

08:22please.

08:25>> Good afternoon.

08:26>> Good afternoon. I'm Rochelle Stewart.

08:28District 5. Um

08:31I'm here today cuz I'm listening to so

08:33many people

08:35talk about these useless shootings,

08:37drive-bys, whatever.

08:39Children, adults.

08:41My main concern here today is we need to

08:43make stricter

08:45guidelines, stricter

08:47penalties

08:48for these adults that are not securing

08:51these guns, for whoever's doing these

08:53shootings and killings. Stricter

08:55penalties.

08:57I look and I see you commissioners. I

08:59see the chief, the mayor

09:01at these press conferences.

09:03And just like y'all, I know you're

09:04feeling the anguish.

09:07The turmoil, sad you of these senseless

09:10shootings and killings.

09:12And I'm sitting there looking at y'all,

09:13too, and listening to it and crying

09:16and wondering when is this going to

09:17stop.

09:18So, if anything, if we can get some

09:20stiffer penalties for these people

09:21that's not securing their guns, for the

09:24people that's doing these shootings, it

09:26should be done.

09:27Because I'm tired of these senseless

09:31shootings and killings.

09:33And I'm going to render the rest of my

09:34time.

09:36>> Thank you very much, ma'am.

09:41Next speaker, please.

10:01>> Good afternoon, sir.

10:03>> Greetings.

10:05313-444-9114.

10:08313-444-9114.

10:11313-444-9114.

10:13That number was made so you can remember

10:15it. The encouraging words, I appreciate

10:18them. The prayer that I have with people

10:20I don't even know with the city.

10:22Some of us do love each other.

10:25And um I just got to thank brother Danny

10:27again for doing whatever he did at that

10:30shop to get them to drop from $3,600 in

10:33repairs to $1,000 so I can continue to

10:36do God's work giving out these bus

10:38tickets at the bus stops and advocating

10:40coming to the meetings.

10:42Um

10:43uh one thing that I think it'd be good

10:45for the transit police to have bus

10:47tickets on them, like five bus tickets

10:50on them. They never know when they might

10:52need those. Um it's a it's a good like

10:54olive branch. It's it's it's it's just

10:57uh

10:58it builds uh

10:59a rapport.

11:01Um and um

11:03also, I feel as though there should be a

11:06CVI for public transit, just a CVI of

11:10its own

11:12um geared towards public transit. I have

11:16been giving out free rides. You see my

11:18ballot right here. I I do absentee. And

11:21I've been giving out free rides to the

11:22clerk's office getting folks I've been

11:24doing that for many, many years. And I

11:27appreciate folks' donations. It's about

11:29the time for hand warmers.

11:31Um I'm trying to reach out to companies.

11:33I have

11:35uh, some funds uh, that I want to

11:37allocate towards portable phone chargers

11:39for the ladies, the seniors, ladies,

11:41seniors,

11:43and disabled people, my fellow disabled

11:45people, and um,

11:47portable chargers. So, if they're at the

11:49bus stop, they can make a emergency

11:50phone call, cuz not a lot of places to

11:52charge up the phone. So, those are the

11:55three that the hand warmers, portable

11:57chargers, bus tickets, um, it that's

12:01what I want to do. That's what God's

12:02leading me to do.

12:03And we all have to pray, pray, and more

12:07pray, and don't let up on praying.

12:11Times are rough, and the fervent

12:13effectual prayers of the righteous, not

12:15perfect, but the righteous, availeth

12:17much. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir.

12:22>> Our next three speakers will be Ms.

12:24Fredia Butler,

12:26Ms. Elena Harada, and please excuse them

12:30this pronunciation of your name, Mr.

12:32Foster.

12:35>> Good afternoon, ma'am.

12:37>> Good afternoon.

12:39Wake up, sleeping giants. On October

12:421st, 2016, I was asked

12:46I asked Ms. Pennell to yield her 2

12:48minutes to me because I knew I needed an

12:52extra minute to complete my statement.

12:54She agreed. While speaking, the

12:56parliamentarian interrupted, denying me

13:00the time that was yielded to me.

13:02I have listened to many congressional

13:04hearings when time was yielded to

13:07another speaker. I will never abuse the

13:11privilege to of speaking, but if that is

13:14a new rule, I will not follow.

13:17I am a community activist, and it is my

13:20responsibility to inform and aid, if

13:24possible. My complete statement that I

13:26was denied to speak was, "Quote,

13:30I don't vote. Nothing will change. I'm

13:34good. And do you believe in Jesus? Just

13:37vote."

13:39We have given out over 700 buttons with

13:42the words we must vote and will give an

13:45additional thousand by election day.

13:48I will not be surprised if ICE shows up

13:52at my door because this is the first

13:54time I have been asked to fill out a

13:57form with my name and phone number and

14:00and the number of applications I

14:03submitted. Thank you.

14:05>> Thank you, ma'am.

14:07Next speaker, please.

14:20Good afternoon.

14:22>> Good afternoon. Thank you. You

14:24pronounced my name fine.

14:27I wanted to um

14:29raise an issue that I was troubled by at

14:33Detroit City Council listening to

14:36the interview for police commissioners

14:40when a city council member, I believe it

14:42was Miller, I'm not very familiar with

14:45her because she's new, but her first

14:48question to the applicant was, "Do you

14:50hate the police?"

14:52And I think that was a really terribly

14:54leading question

14:56and an unfair question that and it left

14:59open the discussion of how much the

15:03applicant, Harvey Santana, does not hate

15:05the police. And I don't think that we

15:07need to ask people if they love the

15:09police or hate the police. This is an

15:11oversight board. It doesn't matter if

15:15you like the police or hate the police.

15:17It matters that you can oversee, as a

15:20citizen, a police commission which is in

15:23our charter.

15:25That's something that I wanted to raise

15:26to all the public because I think that

15:28was a very poor and unprofessional

15:32interview process. And it also then

15:35answered with you know, they they teach

15:38their children to hate the police. That

15:40was an incredible leading remark and

15:44parents do not teach their children to

15:46hate the police.

15:48You want to know who teaches who to hate

15:50the police?

15:52I'm going to leave that open for you and

15:54just in memory of Mr. Perkins. Thank

15:58you.

16:00>> Thank you, ma'am. Next speaker, please.

16:10Hey, good afternoon, sir.

16:11>> Uh, good afternoon to the chair

16:13commission. Uh, first thing I want to

16:15say this is election year. Regardless if

16:17this is election year or not, law

16:19enforcement is always supposed to be

16:20nonpartisan, so it should not affect

16:22your services. It should not affect your

16:24decision-making or your behaviors in our

16:27community. Secondly, you know, I've been

16:29speaking for years about protecting

16:31children. And in the contrary, when I've

16:34been speaking, you guys have hired other

16:36people to repeat what it is that you

16:37hear here.

16:39I'll be down at city council. Some of

16:40them haven't even met the quota, right?

16:43And we have given grace and mercy. Those

16:45things cannot continue to go on. I don't

16:47care what title you got. I'm a citizen.

16:49That's the most important title in any

16:51form of government. And I think that

16:53should be understood. This idea of

16:55trying to portray yourselves as mob

16:57bosses, John Gottis, right?

17:00My favorite mob boss was uh Vincent

17:02Gigante. He was a good fighter. And if

17:04you know anything about history, I'd

17:06advise you to go back and check those

17:08things up. Using technology to

17:12infiltrate social media, to call

17:14citizens liars, to disprove anybody that

17:16you feel is not in agreement with you is

17:19wrong. And as a law enforcement, you all

17:21have a duty to stand up for civil

17:23rights. You stood up

17:25and took a oath here to protect federal

17:27laws as well. And so you can't exclude

17:30things when you feel like doing things

17:32and and and pushing things that you want

17:36to push. On that point of federal law,

17:38every year there's been 60 plus million

17:41dollars in risk management. And so while

17:44we endure so many of these other things

17:45that we put in our community, if we

17:47don't balance these things, there's

17:49going to continue to be issues within

17:52our community.

17:53Intervenous, you know, as I've been shot

17:55eight times, I have no qualms about

17:57talking about it in this city. So when I

17:59hear children, I hear you all get up

18:01here and dismissing and talk about how

18:03they going to get over it. It's a damn

18:05shame. It took me a long time and I did

18:08it by the grace of God. These kids is

18:10not going to get over it. You have to do

18:12a better job preventing them from being

18:14engaged in these. Thanks. Thank you.

18:16>> Thank you, sir.

18:19>> Our last speaker in the room is Minister

18:21Eric Blount and then we'll go to Zoom.

18:25And our

18:26next two speakers will be Zoom user

18:29and Tanya Jackson.

18:36>> Thank you. Good afternoon, Minister

18:37Blount.

18:44>> Good afternoon, board. I'm Minister Eric

18:46Blount from Sacred Heart Catholic Church

18:47right here in Detroit.

18:49Uh one of the previous

18:52uh commenter said they're sick and tired

18:54of these shootings.

18:56Well,

18:57we're sick and tired of unjustified

19:01police shootings.

19:03So we do

19:05pray for and I'm glad that Alonzo Lee

19:08Perkins did live.

19:11But he he lived by the grace of God and

19:14and

19:16we in the community

19:18demand that David Gonzalez must be fired

19:22immediately.

19:23We demand that Gonzalez

19:26must be criminally charged

19:29including attempted murder.

19:32We demand that the gang intelligent

19:34unit, known on our streets as the

19:36jump-out boys, must be disbanded.

19:40We demand that all youth

19:43and young adult policing

19:45in a violent way be ended.

19:48We demand the drop that all charges be

19:50dropped against Alonzo Lee Perkins.

19:55Why do we make these demands?

19:57Because time and time again we are lied

20:00to about what happens when

20:03especially young black men encounter the

20:05police.

20:08I'll never forget Porter Burks and I

20:10want you to never forget. He was shot 38

20:13times by five different police officers

20:16and yet they say he died face first at

20:19their feet.

20:22I want to also remember Michael Jackson

20:26Balanos

20:28charged twice with the murder

20:31of Samantha Woll and yet released.

20:34But yet this sick system we are in

20:37allows police officers to lie to us.

20:41But it is a felony to lie to police

20:44officers.

20:46Something must change and change fast.

20:50Thank you.

20:50>> Thank you, Minister Blunt.

20:59Next speaker, please.

21:01>> I think someone just signed in, but they

21:03stepped out, so he'll be right back.

21:06We'll go into Zoom.

21:11>> Are you there?

21:13>> Oh, you know I'm here. Good afternoon.

21:16>> Good afternoon.

21:17>> So, I want to say uh Tremel Lee Butler's

21:19lawsuit. I hope his family gets every

21:21penny of all of the money that they

21:22wanted uh they want in this lawsuit

21:24because the fact that he was killed

21:26while officers were there and they

21:27followed their protocols egregious. Deon

21:30Dawson, badge number 389, has a criminal

21:33arrest warrant out of the city of

21:34Inkster in Wayne County. Uh this is the

21:38badge that I claim to have

21:40helped to take. Won't be the last.

21:42Guaranteed it. Bet my life on it. Uh

21:45person in charge, you know that you have

21:46lost your department. 23 shootings in a

21:49week. And there are There we are being

21:51told

21:52that the city is safe before they

21:54happen, not after, before they happen.

21:56It seems like every time we have a press

21:57conference to say that we're safe. For

21:59the this entire administration of the of

22:02the chief of police's history, there's

22:04been an explosion of shootings.

22:06What is being done about the cold case

22:08homicides? Mothers Keeping Boots on the

22:10Ground would like to know, as well as

22:12all the other advocacy organizations

22:14that have not been bought out and paid

22:16for.

22:17The ones that been bought out and paid

22:18for don't ask the questions. But Mothers

22:19Keeping Boots on the Ground, they still

22:20ask the questions.

22:22Uh the situation with the FOIA

22:23department, Conrad, uh uh DC uh ha, what

22:28are you guys doing about these FOIAs? We

22:30are getting lawsuits out the wazoo for

22:32these lawsuits for these FOIAs that are

22:34not being granted.

22:35No reason that this union contract and

22:38uh the policies and provisions of the

22:40city of Detroit Police Department are

22:42preventing us from getting

22:44our FOIAs. Also, domestic violence

22:46awareness month. We got Deon Dawson, a

22:48slew of other officers abusing women,

22:52and we're talking about we're going to

22:53do a lot of work around

22:55uh

22:55this this domestic violence. It's

22:57ridiculous. Also, when the Federal

22:59Bureau of Investigation makes an arrest,

23:01who do they use to make that arrest?

23:03Because they're going to take you in,

23:04chief. They're going to take the mayor

23:06and they're going to take a few other

23:06people in. Good to see you on the call,

23:08Mr. Moore. And I can't wait to get some

23:11of you guys in jail.

23:13Thank you.

23:14>> Thank you, sir.

23:15>> Give them hell, Tanya.

23:16>> Uh next speaker, please.

23:20>> Miss

23:21Mr. Chair, may I have this gentleman

23:23speak and then we'll go back to Zoom?

23:27>> Let me let him speak.

23:30I'm sorry.

23:32I'm

23:33>> Good afternoon, sir. May I be heard?

23:35>> Yes, you may.

23:36>> Sir, I'm Haynie District 5. I think it

23:38is crazy, completely disingenuous for

23:42DPD to have misled us for this long

23:44about Alonzo Lee Parker's shooting.

23:45>> Yeah.

23:46>> To act like he did anything wrong. That

23:49footage being uh publicized showed us

23:51exactly what we all knew, what people

23:53saw, what the CCTV cameras showed us,

23:56that he was shot running away in the

23:59back. By the way, I'm going to shoot

24:01you, [ __ ] I'm going to shoot you,

24:04[ __ ] I'm going to shoot you, [ __ ]

24:08Never should be language that any police

24:10officer, a public servant, should use.

24:12If anybody on the Board of Police said

24:14that to anybody, used that type of

24:16language, people would be calling for

24:18y'all seats.

24:19Every single time.

24:21That doesn't make any sense. I am so

24:24interested in seeing how the board

24:25handles this. I understand there was a

24:27gag order. Gag released. Please talk

24:29about it. I'm ready to see it. That

24:32should never have happened. Thank

24:33goodness Alonzo Lee Parker is alive

24:35today. Thank goodness he is alive today

24:38because they tried to kill that man.

24:40>> Yeah.

24:40>> I am curious in seeing what happened.

24:42And to the chief of police,

24:45knowing what you knew, when you saw that

24:47video,

24:48should have been the first person to

24:50call up and say, "Drop those charges

24:54against that boy. Against that boy cuz

24:56he is very young. That is a child.

24:59It absolutely makes sense why he was

25:02running from DPD because he feared for

25:05his life and he had every reason

25:07absolutely to fear fear for his life.

25:10Y'all proved it.

25:11I want to see those charges dropped. I

25:14want to see public apologies because

25:16what I don't want to see and what

25:18probably is deserved is the lawsuit that

25:21we're going to have to pay for for

25:23y'all's actions DPD and y'all covered it

25:25up and said y'all ain't do nothing wrong

25:27cuz that's what y'all do. Y'all never do

25:28nothing wrong. Obviously you did. Shot

25:30in the back a child.

25:32In the back. "I'm going to shoot you."

25:35is what he heard and that was almost his

25:37last words.

25:38His mama heard him cry on her his first

25:41birthday and those were almost his last

25:43words.

25:49>> I got it.

25:50Next speaker, please.

25:53>> Good afternoon. Can I be heard?

25:54>> Yes, ma'am. You may.

25:57>> So, I want to just kind of go back to

25:59last week comments through the chair to

26:01Derek Woods. Let me let you know this,

26:02Mr. Woods. I am aware that y'all don't

26:05handle criminal matters. You know that,

26:07right? I'm not slow. I'm very educated.

26:09I don't know if y'all going through

26:10menopause or y'all losing y'all hearing,

26:13but don't ever don't ever disrespect me

26:15like that cuz I'm not slow. The problem

26:17is y'all sit up on that board and think

26:20that y'all resolved the issue that was

26:23not criminal that y'all should have been

26:24resolved. The problem is still there.

26:27Y'all didn't resolve anything. Y'all are

26:29the worst people in the city. Y'all are

26:32terrible. Here is Anna Ivory. Let me Let

26:34me play this clip because you like to

26:35play the victim. You like to sit up

26:37there and say, "Oh, I stand by my

26:40community. Oh, I'm this and I'm that."

26:42Don't just act like I just don't want to

26:44talk to you or be involved with you

26:46because

26:47you did your job. Let me play this clip

26:49with my last couple of minutes so they

26:51can see, Commissioner Ivory.

26:54Let's see.

26:59This is Harriet Ivy.

27:04Remember this, Ms. Ivy?

27:06It's a hour and 35 minute call.

27:17But you were But I'm But listen, it's

27:18more to it, but I'mma say this, as a

27:21woman,

27:23you were you were just a fan. You were

27:25just a fan. Now you Oh, you did your job

27:28and this and What did you do, uh, Ivory?

27:30What did you do besides remove him and

27:32the problem is still here. Y'all don't

27:34never FIX THE PROBLEM. Y'ALL PICK and

27:36choose who y'all comment to. Y'all pick

27:38and choose who y'all want to reach out

27:41and help. I don't want none of y'all

27:42help. Y'all suck. Y'all be D S-ing the

27:46chief, want to be in pictures and stuff.

27:49Nobody asked y'all if y'all WANT ON THE

27:50BOARD.

27:52AND Y'ALL SUCK. ALL Y'ALL, EXCEPT

27:54CAMILLE. Y'all suck. Y'ALL WANT TO BE

27:56LIKED SO BAD CUZ Y'ALL DON'T LIKE NOBODY

27:58don't like y'all.

27:59>> Thank you, ma'am.

28:01Next speaker, please.

28:02>> Our next caller is Juana, followed by

28:06former Commissioner Davis, and he will

28:08be your last, uh, speaker.

28:10>> Thank you, Ms. Underwood.

28:16Next speaker.

28:16>> Good afternoon. I would like

28:18Good afternoon. I would like to say

28:20thank you,

28:21um, to Commissioner Morris for, um,

28:24showing up for us, um, in District 7 for

28:27a tragedy that we had, um, with the

28:29minor taking his life. Um, thank you so

28:32much for your support that you give

28:34District 7 in our community coming out

28:36of your district. Thank you. I

28:38appreciate that. Chief, I do not like

28:41the video that I saw regarding, um, the

28:44young man being shot down for the

28:47fireworks. I also agree that it was very

28:50wrong for us to get one thing and then

28:52now we're seeing a different

28:54video that's showing that that man did

28:56not have a gun. He was running. He was

28:58in fear and the officer saying bad

29:00things and shooting that man down. I

29:02have a 9-year-old son that has to grow

29:05up and live in this community. We want

29:07to leave, but I'm fighting so hard for

29:09change for that young man and others. We

29:12really need a change, Chief, and I I

29:14believe that you can do that. If you

29:16just get out here and listen to I not

29:19not saying don't listen to the CBIs, but

29:21you need to get out here and listen to

29:23us block club leaders, us homeowners and

29:26renters. We know what's going on in the

29:28community. We know what what's

29:30happening. We can tell you. Some of us

29:32are willing to tell you to make a

29:34change. Get out here and talk to us.

29:35Form a meeting to listen to us and see

29:38what we need with our NPOs so we can be

29:40on the same track to get our city back.

29:43Um oh we

29:46uh say his name, Porter Burks. Stayed

29:48right across the street from me. Very

29:49good young man. He didn't bother no one.

29:52I hate that that boy me and my son again

29:54was out there marching for Porter Burks

29:56and his family. That was very sad.

29:59Again, a a kid that did not deserve

30:01that. Just needed help. Someone to talk

30:04to and he was able to he was

30:06approachable where you could talk to

30:07him. Jadante, I'll get you back next

30:10week. That [ __ ] and disrespect that you

30:12give is is time to stop. I got you next

30:15week, brother.

30:16I'm done.

30:18>> Thank you, ma'am.

30:20Next speaker, please.

30:22>> Our last caller is former commissioner

30:24William Davis.

30:28>> Good afternoon.

30:34Commissioner Davis, are you there?

30:36>> afternoon.

30:36>> Thank

30:37>> Good afternoon. Can I

30:40>> You may be heard, sir.

30:42>> Okay. I'd like to start off by saying I

30:45hope everybody will plan to vote and I

30:47hope everybody encourage other people to

30:49vote. I hope that uh

30:52the Board of Police Commissioners with

30:54the police department and any and

30:55everyone coordinates and get together

30:57and make sure people can feel supported

31:00and protected at the polls this year. I

31:02know in 2020 when I was still on the

31:04board, there was a lot of stuff going on

31:06and a lot of people's there was people

31:08coming into our city trying to

31:10intimidate Detroit voters. Hopefully

31:13y'all have a plan to make sure that

31:14doesn't happen this year.

31:16And hopefully more could be done to make

31:18this city

31:20more safe

31:22uh more people feel more protected and

31:24then more people

31:26actually engage in in our city, you

31:28know, and then also that perhaps a task

31:33force should be set up with the Board of

31:35Police Commissioners, City Council, and

31:38police unions to do something about this

31:40massive number of lawsuits that's

31:42constantly going on. As a president of a

31:45city of Detroit retirement group who had

31:47my pension cut, you know, I see all

31:49these lawsuits, lawsuits, lawsuits, and

31:52more lawsuits, you know, especially I

31:54just heard about another one for $150

31:55million. You know You know, so I think

31:58more needs to be done to curb that and

32:00to save city of Detroit resources.

32:03Hopefully y'all can contribute to the

32:06saving of the city of Detroit. Thank

32:08you.

32:08>> Thank you, Commissioner Davis.

32:11Ms. Underwood, that was the last

32:12speaker?

32:12>> Yes, sir.

32:14>> Thank you.

32:18We'll We will now move on to the uh

32:21Chief of Police report.

32:25I'm sorry, I didn't see you,

32:26Commissioner Moore.

32:27>> Yes, sir.

32:29Um

32:30before we proceed uh further, I would

32:32like to make a motion, Chair.

32:35I move that the appointment

32:38of Lydia

32:39Garnier to the position of board

32:41secretary will end effectively at the

32:44conclusion of this meeting October 15th,

32:472026.

32:51>> I second.

32:59>> Uh that was uh Commissioner Ivy.

33:01>> Yes.

33:01>> The support of the motion.

33:03All right, a motion has been made uh

33:06by Commissioner Morris

33:08that effective at the end of this

33:10meeting

33:11uh that uh board secretary uh

33:15Lydia Garnier

33:16uh

33:19this will be uh

33:23her uh last uh um meeting and

33:25appointment as the board secretary. Am I

33:27saying that right, Commissioner Morris?

33:29>> Yes, sir, correct.

33:31>> Thank you. Is there and

33:33All right, is there any discussion on

33:35the motion?

33:38>> Carter.

33:39>> Ms. Carter, I'm sorry. Ms. Carter, I did

33:41not see you.

33:42>> I just want to know what has

33:45uh Garnier Garnier Lydia done

33:48to

33:49um be removed

33:51as the board secretary.

33:54>> No call.

33:56>> I haven't had a problem with her in the

33:57past 2 years.

33:59I'm just wondering what is going on.

34:05>> Commissioner Morris.

34:09>> Yes, sir.

34:10>> Is there anyone that would like to

34:11respond to uh

34:14>> I have no cause.

34:19>> Any commissioners that would like to

34:21respond to the inquiry of

34:23uh Commissioner Lisa Carter?

34:28All right, looking I see

34:31uh no one

34:32at this time making a comment.

34:38Is there any other discussion on the

34:40motion?

34:42Excuse me.

34:45All right, that being said and

34:47we will

34:48>> Excuse me, this is I know no one no one

34:50is using profanity in this room, Mr.

34:52Chair.

34:53>> Thank you, sir. There will be no use of

34:55profanity.

34:56We would hate to have

34:58uh individuals escorted out.

35:02All right.

35:04Hearing no other comments,

35:06uh

35:07we will now prepare for the vote.

35:10Uh all in favor of the motion, please

35:13indicate by eye.

35:14>> Eye.

35:16>> Opposed?

35:17>> Opposed.

35:19>> Motion does carry.

35:32>> Right. I was trying to see if Morris had

35:34one more.

35:37>> I'm next.

35:37>> Let Miss uh Mr. Chair

35:39>> Yes, sir.

35:40>> Um I would like to make a motion that

35:42>> Is your speaker

35:43>> Uh excuse me, I would like to make a

35:45motion that we uh immediately uh post

35:48the uh secretary position.

35:54>> Is there support for the motion?

35:56>> Support.

35:57>> It has been moved by Commissioner Woods

35:59and supported uh by Commissioner Morris

36:02that an immediate posting

36:04uh be listed uh to fill this position.

36:08Is there any discussion on the motion?

36:13Hearing none, seeing none, all in favor

36:15of the motion, please indicate by eye.

36:17>> Eye.

36:18>> Any opposed?

36:20Motion does carry.

36:22Thank you.

36:24>> Mr. Chair.

36:24>> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Camille.

36:26>> Um, given the

36:28um, vacancy that we are now facing,

36:33I move to direct DPD to work directly

36:35with the requesting commissioner for any

36:37questions or clarification on requests

36:40made for information

36:43for continuity of our work

36:46support.

36:49>> Is there any discussion on the motion?

36:53>> Um

36:54>> I have a question. I'm sorry.

36:56>> Hold on. Go ahead.

36:57>> So, Commissioner Camille, you're asking

36:59that

37:01um

37:02DPD works with each commissioner

37:05um, with any information that they're

37:07requesting and not through the chair.

37:12>> Mr. Chair.

37:13>> Commissioner.

37:13>> Um, I I think that the chair should

37:16certainly be included, um, but when

37:18requests are made in the meeting for

37:21information, since the requesting

37:23commissioner has the most clarity on

37:26what the request is, to reduce

37:30a lot of back and forth and passing

37:32messages, that DPD work with the

37:35requesting commissioner to get any

37:36clarification that's needed, certainly

37:39with the um, chair in the know.

37:45>> Mr. Chair.

37:46>> Is that an amendment to the motion?

37:48>> No.

37:51I'm sorry, Commissioner Carter, what

37:53>> So, I'm sorry.

37:55>> Go ahead.

37:56>> And I'm still trying to So, with the

37:58chair in the know, but

38:03the information is still going to flow

38:05from each individual commissioner, 11

38:08commissioners, to DPD with the chair in

38:13the know. That's how it's going to flow.

38:16>> Mr. Chair.

38:17>> Yes.

38:17>> Um, I'm referring to requests that are

38:19made in this meeting. So, the if the

38:21request is made in this meeting, it is

38:24getting to the department through this

38:27channel

38:28with the chair aware of it. And if DPD

38:31has questions or clarifications on

38:35the data,

38:37that that requesting commissioner be the

38:39one to respond to that

38:43with

38:44with the chair included in in any

38:46conversations is fine.

38:51>> So, the individual commissioner will

38:52never go to DPD without the chair's

38:55knowledge. Is that what you're saying?

38:58>> I'm not saying that.

38:59>> Okay.

39:02Thank you, Mr. Chair.

39:03>> Thank you. And and I'm sorry,

39:05Commissioner Woods and out.

39:07Um yeah, you know, I was ready to make a

39:11motion that um

39:14as previously done in the past that

39:17um that we make um

39:21our chief warfare uh

39:22acting uh uh secretary capacity um to be

39:27able to facilitate those administrative

39:29items.

39:30Um I know HR can help with a lot of the

39:34heavy lift uh HR support can help with a

39:36lot of the heavy lift uh and that we can

39:40be able to direct that those requests to

39:43uh the chief investigator to be able to

39:46make sure that continuity is there.

39:54Yeah, it's it's it's it's a separate

39:55motion, but you know.

39:59So, we got to deal with that one first.

40:01Yeah. Um

40:03I I I don't know if they're satisfied

40:06because I I think uh through the chair,

40:08I think that uh you wanted uh the

40:11commissioner, if I understand correctly,

40:13you wanted to ensure that there's no

40:15break break down in communication.

40:18>> Correct.

40:18>> And and if uh

40:20uh the chief investigator can help

40:22facilitate that, uh then, you know, so

40:26be it as done in the past.

40:27>> Mr. Chair, that's a motion.

40:29>> Um

40:30>> Or

40:30>> uh I would like to uh amend the motion

40:34to um

40:36make that as the stand-in bearer.

40:38>> Okay. Is there discussion, Chair?

40:41>> Uh yes, on on what Commissioner Woods

40:44has just

40:44>> Your speaker's not on.

40:46>> Oh, thank you.

40:47Uh yes, discussion on what

40:49uh Commissioner Woods has just proposed.

40:52>> Yes.

40:53>> Was that supported? I'm sorry.

40:56Was that a motion that you made?

40:57>> Yes.

40:58>> Has that been supported?

40:59>> For

41:00And then I have discussion.

41:02>> Go ahead, uh Commissioner Wants.

41:03>> Yes, and

41:05uh Mr. Chair, thank you. And just for

41:06our clarity, thank you for that,

41:07Commissioner Woods.

41:09Um

41:10cuz we do need uh not to have an

41:12interruption of operations. However, I'm

41:15I'm glad that you, as the chair of the

41:16personnel committee, have said

41:18expeditiously, uh we would have go

41:21through the interview process to locate

41:23and and to find another candidate and

41:25successfully have that position filled

41:27no later than December 1st. Uh and I

41:30agree with that. Cuz my concern is the

41:33chief already has a voluminous job with

41:35these investigations. So, I wouldn't

41:37want to see that go on for a lengthy

41:39time with him carrying both both of

41:41these positions. And I don't know if

41:42people are aware, it's very very

41:45detailed and a lot of work that's

41:47involved with being the board secretary

41:49as well as the chief of OCI. So, I would

41:52say that, you know, I would agree with

41:53that not to have any interruption of of

41:55services or operations, but for a very

41:58limited time, just like we discussed.

42:00>> Absolutely.

42:02>> Discussion, Mr. Chair?

42:04>> Uh Commissioner Camille?

42:06>> Thank you. Yeah, I'm I'm confident that

42:08uh chief investigator

42:10would be able to carry forward um any

42:13requests from individual commissioners

42:15for information to the department to

42:17ensure that those are fulfilled

42:19to those um commissioners' expectations.

42:22So, I don't have any concerns with the

42:24amendment.

42:25>> I be included on anything.

42:28>> I'm sorry, Commissioner Carter. Was that

42:29all done?

42:30>> Uh I I just like to say one thing

42:33uh and and

42:34uh Vice Chair Watson I have had

42:36discussion on this.

42:38Uh anything that's uh going to be pushed

42:40up either through the uh

42:42chief

42:43uh that's coming from this uh board uh I

42:47will make it known that uh

42:50myself

42:51and Vice Chair Watts be included.

42:58>> Uh that's not germane to this uh motion

43:00though right now. If you want to make a

43:02separate motion after we finish this

43:03motion, that'll be different. Well, you

43:05had introduced uh

43:07What I'm saying that we we we we on we

43:09in the middle of a motion. I think we

43:11have to, you know, either vote it up or

43:13down. Uh and then if you want to

43:16>> I can't see.

43:17>> Through the chair.

43:19>> Yes, ma'am.

43:19>> I have a comment. I'd like I believe in

43:22the past it's been um an issue with a

43:26person who is

43:28I'd like a legal opinion because in the

43:31past we've had someone that was an

43:33employee

43:34um that was with the city. Is something

43:36in the charter regarding the appointment

43:38of an even an interim uh board

43:41secretary. So, I'd like a legal opinion

43:45as to whether or not that can happen.

43:51>> Through the chair.

43:52>> Uh I'm sorry. Uh corporate counsel, if

43:55you're prepared to respond.

44:02>> Mr. Chairman, uh

44:04Commissioner Carter is correct. There

44:07was an There is an opinion issued by the

44:11Corporation Counsel's office that

44:13discusses the issue that she raised.

44:16Um

44:17I don't have it top of mind. I'm going

44:19to check the charter now and if I can

44:21give you an answer before

44:23uh the meeting adjourns, I will. If not,

44:26I'll give you something uh by tomorrow.

44:29>> Thank you. Thank you, sir. You

44:31>> Through the

44:32>> After her.

44:32>> Through the chair.

44:33>> Commissioner Camille.

44:34>> I just had a question for my colleague

44:36uh Commissioner Woods to clarify the

44:38intent of this motion. Um

44:42so is the intent to have

44:45Chief Investigator Warfield remain in

44:48the Chief Investigator role and

44:50temporarily perform the duties

44:53of the secretary for continuity of

44:56business, but not actually put him in an

44:58interim secretary position?

45:01>> Uh through the chair, uh absolutely. Uh

45:03he would be remain Chief Investigator.

45:06Um just the flow of uh business will go

45:09uh through there in conjunction with all

45:11of the other BOPC staff as well as our

45:15uh help from HR.

45:17You know, so it's it's uh

45:19all hands on deck to make sure the

45:20operation continue on. It would be that

45:23he would be entitled to any type of pay

45:25or uh be in the position as

45:29uh the interim board secretary, but to

45:31make sure that the operations is flowing

45:33there.

45:36>> Commissioner Bowman, I'm sorry.

45:39>> All right, two things. First of all, I'm

45:41going to have a I'm making a request for

45:43information on this motion, but I just

45:45also want to inform the chair that I had

45:47my hand up immediately following

45:50um

45:51community comments, public comments, and

45:53I did want to comment on public

45:55comments.

45:56>> I am sorry, sir. So, please forgive me.

45:59Proceed.

46:00>> So, um so I'll do that though after the

46:03discussion of this motion because

46:05that wouldn't make you know otherwise.

46:07>> My apologies, sir.

46:08>> Okay. Now, the request for information

46:10is regarding um Commissioner Woods'

46:12amendment. Um, substantially it's not

46:15clear to me what changes in Commissioner

46:18Meals Camille's motion

46:21if Commissioner Woods' amendment is to

46:24pass. And I want want the clarity as to

46:26what this does.

46:30>> Um, through the through the

46:32I'm making sure that um, we don't have

46:36all of these personalities going uh to

46:39the chief's office,

46:41um, but we have uh a direct contact with

46:43someone working those that out and um

46:47being able to communicate with

46:48commissioners to make sure that these

46:51requests uh are being, you know, looked

46:54upon and addressed. You know, and then

46:57there's um from a HR perspective making

46:59sure that um

47:01uh sick time and all that type of stuff

47:04that may be requested that all that

47:06flow. You know, uh as chair of the

47:08personnel and training committee I'll

47:10work directly with the chair to make

47:12sure that those things are uh

47:14facilitated in a um dignified manner.

47:23>> I'm sorry.

47:24>> Commissioner Bowman, were you done?

47:26>> Um, well, because I I wasn't going to

47:28comment on the community comments until

47:30this motion is settled and the motion is

47:33is uh

47:34got legs right now.

47:37>> Wait, she she

47:40uh

47:40she's comfortable with the amendment.

47:42And so is it We already made an

47:43amendment to this amendment that we

47:44voted on the amendment.

47:46>> So, we're getting ready to vote on it

47:47now.

47:48>> Yeah.

47:48>> Any other discussion on uh

47:51the amended motion?

47:53>> Mr. Chair.

47:56>> Madam Vice Chair.

47:57>> Just just clarity cuz there's a lot of

47:58discussion. Can you just repeat the

48:00motion?

48:01>> Um, that uh, that the chief investigator

48:05um, help facilitate

48:08um, the needs uh, over in BOPC uh, for

48:13the commissioners

48:15and other general things not acting as

48:19the board secretary.

48:21But just to be able to help with some of

48:23the administrative tasks over there as

48:25done in the past.

48:27>> Okay.

48:28>> Okay.

48:29>> Yep.

48:30>> Through the chair.

48:32>> Uh, yes.

48:33>> So, you're requesting that he perform

48:35duties outside of his

48:37um,

48:38>> job description.

48:39>> Job description.

48:40>> Uh, no, he's uh, he's tasked. He's a

48:42manager. He and the manager, him him and

48:45the um, sec board secretary are co-equal

48:50uh, in terms of their jobs. He's doing

48:52that work already uh, with

48:56uh, OCI

48:57uh, side of things uh, and you know, I

49:00don't see uh, any impediment uh, for him

49:03being able to do it now, you know, so

49:06um,

49:07>> Through the chair, you may not see it,

49:08but legally

49:10um, there may be an issue. So, I would

49:12request that there be another legal

49:14>> Yeah, providing that there's no legal

49:17impediment then. How about that?

49:19>> Mhm.

49:20>> All right.

49:26Commissioner McCarter

49:27>> I'm sorry.

49:28>> You're you're done?

49:29>> I'm done.

49:30>> Okay, thank you.

49:32All right, so we have the motion.

49:34Any other discussion on the motion?

49:37All those in favor, please indicate by

49:39saying I.

49:40>> I.

49:40>> I.

49:41>> Any opposed?

49:42>> Opposed.

49:43>> Thank you.

49:45Thank you. Eyes have it.

49:48Thank you. I didn't

49:50I got it.

49:51Um,

49:53I need to go back with a question. I

49:55know that we had the uh

49:57follow-up uh

49:59motion uh but it was something that

50:01Commissioner Camille had mentioned and

50:03we have talked about this about when

50:06stuff comes from this board and uh

50:09I strongly believe that the chair and

50:12the vice chair should be made aware of

50:15uh

50:16anything that's coming from this board.

50:18Uh and I need to get clarification on

50:20that. I know we just voted on this

50:22motion, but I do need to get

50:23clarification on what her comments

50:25meant.

50:31>> I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. Can you clarify

50:32your question to me?

50:33>> Yeah, when you had made the motion and I

50:36think and I'm you can correct me if I'm

50:38saying it wrong about uh not going

50:41through the chair or uh

50:44Did I hear that wrong?

50:46>> Through the chair, the the motion was

50:49amended and adopted and so I don't have

50:52any further comments on the matter.

51:01>> All right.

51:03There will be more discussion on that,

51:05but thank you.

51:06>> Um through the chair

51:08>> Uh Commissioner Bowman and then

51:10uh

51:10Commissioner Eva

51:13>> Okay.

51:14Yeah, there um

51:16were a couple things that came up in

51:19um public comments that I wish to

51:22address.

51:23Um first of all, regarding the um

51:27the

51:29actually tragic shootings and killings

51:31of um our fellow residents in Detroit.

51:36Um

51:37you know, I one the more one of the more

51:39recent ones, there was a 16-year-old

51:42girl killed um not far from my home. And

51:45um

51:46you know, I I was at the scene during

51:48that press conference. And,

51:52you know, we all hear things on the

51:55news. We hear statistics at these

51:58meetings every week.

52:00And, then we go on with life, and it

52:04just seems normal.

52:06And, being at the scene, and really

52:10kind of

52:12and so so soon after,

52:14um,

52:15I don't know, something hit me.

52:18And,

52:19it's just I just have to say that

52:24we can't just go on thinking

52:27things like this are normal. That I I I

52:29felt disturbed. I didn't feel People

52:32asked me next day how I was doing, and I

52:33wasn't quite sure about that.

52:36Um, wasn't doing well, because

52:39this it is people dying like just way

52:43too much. And, you're killing each

52:46other, and I don't know what to do, but

52:49I I just know that

52:51um,

52:52you know, like I mean, guess we got one

52:54thing we can do is find the people, and

52:56um, make it so they can't do it to

52:58anyone else. But, beyond that, um, I I

53:01just don't think, um,

53:03we should just think this is normal.

53:05It's It's like

53:07oh, it could be any one of us. And, it

53:10just, you know, it just uh sometimes it

53:13it's close. Sometimes it's someone far

53:15away. Sometimes it's someone you know,

53:17sometimes you don't.

53:19But, um, I I just had to get that out of

53:21my system. And, that was one thing.

53:24Another thing though

53:25that

53:27also should not be accepted, and

53:29certainly should not be seen as normal

53:34is

53:36when

53:38a member of the organization designed to

53:41find the bad people

53:44that kill our neighbors.

53:46Organized to keep us safe largely by

53:50arresting people after the fact, but

53:52doing what they can to keep us safe.

53:54When someone from that organization

53:58is himself the perpetrator.

54:02And

54:04yeah, it's premeditation if you say,

54:07"I'm about to shoot you."

54:10And you're repeating it as you're

54:11chasing somebody.

54:14There is no self-defense argument later

54:17if you're going to kill the person

54:18anyway, or try.

54:21Cuz you already stated your intent,

54:23unless you meant to shoot someone

54:25without killing,

54:26which is

54:28kind of a a um

54:30naive thing to think that you could, you

54:32know, take that approach.

54:35Um

54:37and as far as Mr. Perkins goes, and we

54:39got a prosecutor

54:41who says there isn't enough evidence,

54:44and she sees she sees what we see.

54:49And now you have seen what I have seen,

54:52and now I can talk about it, and I'm

54:54talking.

54:58A man is being charged, prosecuted for

55:02one, running for his life when someone's

55:05trying to kill him, oh, excuse me, shoot

55:07him.

55:10And being prosecuted for having the

55:13means to defend himself, which he

55:14exercised restraint not using it.

55:21Um

55:22and so now I'm going to make a motion

55:25that David Gonzalez, who shot Alonzo Lee

55:29Perkins premeditatedly

55:33be

55:34suspended indefinitely

55:36without pay with medical benefits

55:38included.

55:41>> Second.

55:42Discussion.

55:45>> Uh we have a motion that's on the floor

55:47that has been moved and supported. Is

55:50there any discussion on the motion?

55:51>> Yes, yes, chair.

55:52>> Commissioner Morris.

55:54>> Um we have in the room with us today uh

55:57Commander McGinnis from Internal

55:59Affairs.

56:01I don't know because it's been a a lapse

56:03in time. I know Internal Affairs

56:06investigated the situation.

56:08Uh I would like to know from him if

56:11there were violation policy violations

56:14that were found and sustained.

56:17>> Wha- what one second, ma'am.

56:18>> No, excuse me, ma'am.

56:21Go ahead, Commissioner Morris.

56:22>> What I'm getting to is the fact I don't

56:24know if they already penalized him for

56:27it and it's going to be like a double

56:29jeopardy situation. I don't know. We

56:31don't know. So, I'm I what I would say

56:33is I think to discuss this, we should go

56:37into closed session. So, in before your

56:40motion proceeds, I motion that we go

56:43into closed session. Second.

56:48>> We have a subsequent motion

56:50that's asking for the board to go into

56:53closed session to talk about this issue.

56:58Uh is there any discussion?

56:59>> Excuse me.

57:00>> Hold on one second, sir.

57:02Is there any discussion on this?

57:04>> got the discussion right here.

57:06>> Give me one second, sir.

57:08>> You asked if there's any discussion.

57:09Then you tell me to give me a second.

57:11>> Okay. Commissioner Morris.

57:15>> The thing is is that

57:16>> Say what?

57:17>> I'm I support Commissioner Bowman's

57:19motion, but we do not want to set we

57:22want to make sure that everything is

57:24done properly because the city will have

57:27to fit

57:28to pay a bill a big bill if there's any

57:31negligence that is done on our end. So,

57:34we have to do everything properly and

57:36set up a foundation. Make sure all our

57:38tees are crossed and our eyes are dotted

57:40or else the city could end up in a

57:42lawsuit. So, so just to clear ourselves

57:45so we can proceed properly is why

57:48I motion to go into closed session to

57:51speak with corporation counsel and

57:53Commander McGinnis.

57:55>> Mr. Chair.

57:56>> Uh no. Uh

57:57>> I was going

57:57>> I'm sorry. Were you Excuse me.

57:59>> Mhm.

57:59>> Uh Commissioner Morris, were you done?

58:01>> Yeah, you can give the swoop.

58:04>> No, I was going to say that's why I

58:05supported the motion because I do

58:06believe for the very uh reasons that

58:08Commissioner Morris stated, there could

58:10be things that will uh put the city of

58:12Detroit We don't know if possible legal

58:14action is going to be taken that we

58:15could say at this table with information

58:17we do not know. So, I totally support a

58:20closed session on this matter.

58:21>> Chair wrecking

58:22Were you saying?

58:24Commissioner uh Woods?

58:25>> Yeah, absolutely. Uh we do not want to

58:28put the city of Detroit in jeopardy,

58:30have to to spend um uh

58:34uh tens of thousands of dollars in legal

58:36fees on this situation. We need to make

58:39sure that we do our due diligently due

58:41diligence in this matter. I'm very, very

58:44you know, all of us cannot unsee what we

58:47see, you know, but I don't have I I

58:50would not state a uh position publicly

58:53to put us in jeopardy in no situation

58:57that's going to cost us cost the

58:59taxpayers of the city of Detroit uh

59:03possibly tens of thousands of dollars,

59:05us being sued possibly by the officer uh

59:08for defamation and all of that type of

59:11stuff. You cannot make uh statements of

59:14someone killed someone and all of that

59:16type of stuff. You can say my opinion

59:19and all of that stuff. You can say what

59:21you thought and how you feel. But, when

59:23you make statement of facts, you know,

59:26that is putting folks in jeopardy. So,

59:28I'm not making a statement of fact on

59:30anything cuz I haven't looked at all of

59:33the Valadez

59:35evidence in this case and I'm not the

59:37prosecutor and and so the fact of the

59:40matter is I am heartbroken about that

59:43situation just like everyone in this

59:45room is, but you're not going to pay the

59:48bill of the city Detroit will have to

59:51pay the officer if we do this wrong.

59:56>> Thank you. The chair recognizes

59:58corporate counsel.

1:00:00>> Mr. Chairman, thank you. The only thing

1:00:02I was going to say that the motion for

1:00:04closed session is in order.

1:00:07This certainly is an

1:00:09anticipation

1:00:11of litigation.

1:00:13It is worthy of discussion

1:00:15and so I'll hold any other further

1:00:17comments until closed

1:00:21session has been

1:00:23declared.

1:00:23>> Thank you.

1:00:25>> Call for the question.

1:00:27>> I'm just looking to make sure.

1:00:28>> Thank you. Uh

1:00:30Seeing no other discussion, all in favor

1:00:33of the motion

1:00:34>> I.

1:00:34>> for a closed session

1:00:35>> I.

1:00:36>> I.

1:00:36>> made by saying I.

1:00:37>> I.

1:00:38>> I.

1:00:38>> Any opposed?

1:00:40Motion does carry that we will set a

1:00:42date to have a closed session on this

1:00:44matter.

1:00:46>> No, right now.

1:00:46>> No, let's go now.

1:00:48>> Um that wasn't the motion point of

1:00:50order.

1:00:51>> Yeah.

1:00:51>> It's not.

1:00:52>> It's not.

1:00:53>> Okay.

1:00:54>> Okay.

1:00:56The chair, I understand we will go into

1:00:57closed session. Now, let us adjourn for

1:01:003 minutes.

1:01:24Madam Secretary, uh

1:01:26can you call the roll?

1:01:28>> Commissioner Jones.

1:01:29>> Present.

1:01:29>> Commissioner Watts.

1:01:30>> Here.

1:01:31>> Commissioner Bowman.

1:01:32>> Present.

1:01:33>> Commissioner Camille.

1:01:34>> Present.

1:01:34>> Commissioner Carter.

1:01:35>> Here.

1:01:36>> Commissioner DeWash.

1:01:37>> Present.

1:01:38>> Commissioner Ivy.

1:01:39>> Present.

1:01:40>> Commissioner Morris.

1:01:41>> Present.

1:01:42>> Commissioner Williams.

1:01:43>> Present.

1:01:44>> Commissioner Woods.

1:01:45>> Present.

1:01:46>> 10 present, sir.

1:01:47>> Thank you.

1:01:51At this time, we will do uh

1:01:55Commissioner Watts.

1:01:58>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Under new

1:01:59business,

1:02:01I move by direction of the policy

1:02:03committee, I move to adopt as policy

1:02:05items A through G.

1:02:07Motion to adopt policy 201.4, 304.1,

1:02:11304.2,

1:02:13304.8,

1:02:15>> Point of order.

1:02:16>> 304.9, 304.10, and 304.13.

1:02:20I move I make a motion to move and adopt

1:02:22policies A through G.

1:02:24>> Support.

1:02:24>> So moved.

1:02:26>> Uh

1:02:26>> Point of order.

1:02:27>> I have a motion.

1:02:28>> There's no There's no so second needed

1:02:30uh when it's a recommendation from a

1:02:32policy committee.

1:02:33>> Mr. Chair, aren't we already in the

1:02:34middle of a motion

1:02:35>> Right.

1:02:36>> from before the closed session?

1:02:38>> uh Mr. Brooks Commissioner Bowman said

1:02:40that of yours.

1:02:42That's all right.

1:02:42>> I'm

1:02:43>> We're in the middle of a motion.

1:02:44>> Right.

1:02:45>> People who

1:02:45>> Yeah, furthermore, I thought the vote on

1:02:47those policy issues was going to be

1:02:49after the chief's report.

1:02:50>> Right.

1:02:52>> It was a motion made earlier through the

1:02:54chair uh by I believe Commissioner Woods

1:02:56to move that item up as well as a motion

1:02:59Commissioner uh Morris had made. So,

1:03:01that was made at the beginning of our

1:03:02meeting.

1:03:03>> Okay, so to um resolve the matter of the

1:03:05motion that we had on the floor before

1:03:07closed session.

1:03:08>> Correct.

1:03:09>> Good.

1:03:09>> Yes.

1:03:09>> Okay, thank you. Um okay, regarding the

1:03:12motion I made before we went into closed

1:03:14session actually, which pretty much

1:03:16triggered closed session.

1:03:19Um

1:03:20I'm bound by the charter, as are we all.

1:03:24And we had a detailed discussion, which

1:03:26I'm not going to repeat.

1:03:29But

1:03:30I have been um I'm convinced that um

1:03:33this is the correct thing for me to do.

1:03:35Um pending the completion of the current

1:03:39investigation, I will withdraw my

1:03:41motion.

1:03:44>> Commissioner Watts.

1:03:45>> Through the chair.

1:03:48>> Commissioner Camille.

1:03:48>> In relation to the withdrawal of that

1:03:50motion, I have a question for the chief.

1:03:54>> Go ahead, Commissioner Camille.

1:03:55>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1:03:57Um

1:03:57through the chair to the chief, um

1:04:01in regards to this matter, the shooting

1:04:03of um Alonzo Lee Perkins by Officer

1:04:07David Gonzalez, um and the concerns,

1:04:10obviously, that are circulating around

1:04:12that.

1:04:13And we understand that the

1:04:15department is doing that administrative

1:04:17investigation around that, and look

1:04:19forward to the results. In the meantime,

1:04:22what assurances can you provide

1:04:25um that if this officer is a risk to the

1:04:27public, that that risk is mitigated

1:04:30pending the conclusion of that

1:04:31investigation?

1:04:34>> Through the chair, um as with all

1:04:36officer-involved shootings,

1:04:39um members that are involved are put on

1:04:41administrative leave during the

1:04:43investigation.

1:04:44Um Officer David Gonzalez is not on

1:04:48street duty. Um he is on administrative

1:04:51leave, and he is not he's in a

1:04:54non-patrol,

1:04:56non-enforcement capacity at this moment,

1:04:59and will be until the conclusion of the

1:05:02investigation.

1:05:04>> Thank you, through the chair.

1:05:07>> Thank you, Commissioner.

1:05:09All right.

1:05:14Mr. Watts.

1:05:15Anything else from you?

1:05:18>> We have to vote in

1:05:19>> Yeah, motion.

1:05:20All right. You have to restate the

1:05:21motion.

1:05:23>> Yes.

1:05:25By direction of policy committee, I move

1:05:27to adopt this policies item A through G.

1:05:30>> Thank you.

1:05:31And no second is needed.

1:05:34Any discussion?

1:05:36All in favor, please indicate by I.

1:05:38>> I.

1:05:38>> Any opposed?

1:05:40Motion does carry. At this point, uh we

1:05:43will look to the Chief of Police report.

1:05:46Chief Madison.

1:05:48>> Well, good afternoon, esteemed board.

1:05:51I'll start by reading um

1:05:54just addressing

1:05:56the uptick in recent shootings.

1:06:00Um we I recognize that the recent

1:06:02shootings across Detroit have raised

1:06:04concerns about public safety.

1:06:06We I take those concerns seriously at

1:06:10the DPD.

1:06:11While crime remains down citywide

1:06:14compared to the same period in time as

1:06:16of last year,

1:06:18we understand that these incidents,

1:06:20particularly those involving young

1:06:21people, may not reflect what Detroiters

1:06:23are seeing and feeling in their

1:06:26neighborhoods, and we are committed to

1:06:28ensuring that Detroiters not only see

1:06:31reduction in crime, but also feel that

1:06:33impact.

1:06:35Since last Wednesday, 17 people have

1:06:37been injured in non-fatal shootings,

1:06:40including three juveniles and seven

1:06:42people, including a 16-year-old girl,

1:06:45that have lost their lives to gun

1:06:47violence.

1:06:48While these incidents do not reflect the

1:06:50overall downward trend in crime, we

1:06:53recognize that behind every statistic is

1:06:56a life impacted by violence.

1:06:59The Detroit Police Department is closely

1:07:02examining the circumstances surrounding

1:07:03these incidents and working with our

1:07:05community violence intervention groups,

1:07:08neighborhood leaders, and the mayor's

1:07:11office of neighborhood and community

1:07:12safety to identify any common factors or

1:07:14emerging trends, especially those

1:07:16involving juvenile victims.

1:07:19Our primary goal is to always determine

1:07:21what additional steps can be taken to

1:07:23intervene early, address potential

1:07:26causes of violence, and prevent future

1:07:29incidents.

1:07:30Additionally, we are looking at where to

1:07:32increase targeted enforcement efforts in

1:07:35areas where violence is occurring.

1:07:38Um I just want to thank the board as

1:07:40well.

1:07:41During my entire career, I just can't

1:07:44remember a time when we've had such an

1:07:46active board, and so when we're at the

1:07:49scenes, you know, we've notified board

1:07:51members, but what's different is you you

1:07:54you can't you come out to show your

1:07:57support, visible, standing there with

1:08:00me, and um assessing and wrapping your

1:08:02arms around the community as well.

1:08:05That lets Detroit know that we're

1:08:07unified when it comes to public safety

1:08:10in this city.

1:08:11Um I can't ask for anything more. The

1:08:13mayor's been there, um community, and

1:08:17that's what it's going to take. We all

1:08:19have a responsibility when it comes to

1:08:22um

1:08:23creating a safer environment.

1:08:27When it comes to our where we're at

1:08:31with

1:08:32crime statistics, it's even harder to

1:08:34report out

1:08:36when we have these upticks.

1:08:39But the reality is

1:08:42as of today,

1:08:44our criminal homicides are down 13%.

1:08:47What does that mean?

1:08:49It means that last year this time we had

1:08:5217 more people shot and killed,

1:08:55murdered in the city than we do this

1:08:57year.

1:08:58Sexual assaults are at a 0%,

1:09:01the exact same. We had 412

1:09:04412 as of today.

1:09:08Aggravated assaults, we're down 3.1%

1:09:12robbery, down 4.7%

1:09:15burglary, which is a property crime

1:09:18we're down 14.9%.

1:09:21Larceny, where somebody steals something

1:09:23from you, down 4.4%.

1:09:26Motor vehicle theft

1:09:28we're down 11.7%.

1:09:31So, for our total

1:09:32um part one violent crime, we're sitting

1:09:34at a 3.3% reduction property crime, 8%

1:09:38reduction. The category of non-fatal

1:09:41shootings, we're down 6.6%.

1:09:45No, I'm sorry. 8.5%.

1:09:48That means that we have 32 fewer people

1:09:51that were shot

1:09:53this year and survived than last year.

1:09:55And carjackings, we're down 20.9%.

1:09:59Um last year, there were 67 persons who

1:10:02had been carjacked. This year, as of

1:10:05today, 53 persons that have been

1:10:08carjacked.

1:10:10And

1:10:11we will continue to utilize all means

1:10:14within our department to bring

1:10:16individuals who choose to make these bad

1:10:18decisions

1:10:20um to justice.

1:10:25When it comes to traffic

1:10:27>> I'm I'm sorry, Mr. Chair.

1:10:29>> Uh hold on one second.

1:10:30>> I'm sorry.

1:10:31>> Uh Chief, are you done?

1:10:32>> Um I'll I'll wrap up in a second.

1:10:34>> technical concern that's being raised.

1:10:37>> Okay. Yes, ma'am.

1:10:38>> Through the chair, is it okay?

1:10:39>> Yes, ma'am.

1:10:40>> Thank you. I'm just being alerted that

1:10:41the folks on Zoom are getting a really

1:10:43bad echo and can't understand the Chief.

1:10:46And also is having issues with Woods'

1:10:49mic as well. If the staff could work on

1:10:51that.

1:10:52>> Uh thank you, uh Commissioner Camille.

1:10:55I don't know if they heard that in the

1:10:57sound room.

1:10:59Thank you, Commissioner Camille.

1:11:02>> In regards to traffic enforcement,

1:11:05from October 4th through the 10th,

1:11:08traffic enforcement unit conducted

1:11:09operations in the 7th, 10th, 11th

1:11:11precinct. Officers made 366 traffic

1:11:14stops and issued 821 tickets for moving

1:11:17violations and 900 I'm sorry, and 109

1:11:21tickets for speeding. Narcotics

1:11:24for the week ending October 11th, our

1:11:26narcotics units executed five search

1:11:28warrants. Officers made four felony

1:11:30arrests, recovered four firearms, and

1:11:32confiscated more than 100 g of fentanyl.

1:11:36Um fentanyl, of course, we know very,

1:11:39very deadly. Getting that type of um

1:11:42deadly narcotic off the street is

1:11:43definitely saving lives.

1:11:47Um we have a couple high-profile

1:11:51um shootings that got

1:11:54the area's attention, got a lot of media

1:11:56attention. One in particular was um the

1:11:59shooting of a little 7-year-old girl and

1:12:01her mother on the east side.

1:12:04Um

1:12:05suspect was apprehended on October 12th,

1:12:082026. Officers were dispatched to the

1:12:10apartment complex on Bunts Work near Van

1:12:12Dyke and Grassiot. When officers

1:12:14responded to the scene, they observed

1:12:1633-year-old female victim shot in the

1:12:18arm and a 17 I mean, and her 7-year-old

1:12:21um um daughter with a gunshot wound to

1:12:23the shoulder.

1:12:24Thank God they're both going to survive.

1:12:27Um on October 13th, the very next day,

1:12:29the suspect turned himself in at the 7th

1:12:32precinct. Wayne County Prosecutor's

1:12:34Office has charged Aaron Matthew Wright

1:12:37with

1:12:38assault with intent to commit murder,

1:12:41home invasion, and felony firearm.

1:12:45And that concludes my report.

1:12:49I'm open for any questions.

1:12:51>> Thank you, Chief. The chair recognizes

1:12:53Vice Chair Watson.

1:12:55>> Thank you, Chief. Um

1:12:57good report and somber as well. Um thank

1:13:00you for your leadership and your team.

1:13:03I've come to a couple of those. Uh

1:13:06and I want the public to know it's just

1:13:08it's really daunting and really sad.

1:13:11Uh when you see the families and you see

1:13:13the neighbors out there uh for the

1:13:16shooting and and Commissioner Bowman is

1:13:17correct. We were there the one the other

1:13:19night. And it just really hits your

1:13:21heart. Um but again

1:13:25the uptick seems to be happening, but at

1:13:27the same time I've received calls uh

1:13:30from the community still uh disgusted as

1:13:32well uh saying the police is doing

1:13:35everything they can. And they see the

1:13:37ones out there. They know they NPOs,

1:13:38their commanders, their captains, and

1:13:40they want to know what they can do. Uh

1:13:42last night I was fortunate to be invited

1:13:44by Detroit 300. I want to give them

1:13:45credit in Commissioner Camille's

1:13:47district um because of the incident that

1:13:49happened on Preste Street. Uh they had a

1:13:51lot of the residents there, and the

1:13:53residents really wanted to you know say

1:13:56they come together again to form and

1:13:58reunite their block club association cuz

1:14:01they want to be involved and do their

1:14:03part. And Commissioner Camille, they

1:14:04really thanked you. They were

1:14:05encouraging them to reunite and and open

1:14:08up that association again, block club.

1:14:10Chief, you as well and your commander

1:14:12over in that district. And we just went

1:14:14around the room and just listened. So, I

1:14:16say that to say that it appears a little

1:14:19uptick, but what we got to do is

1:14:20continue to work together block by

1:14:22block. Very encouraging uh listening to

1:14:25the residents last night and throughout

1:14:27this city that uh we're in this

1:14:29together.

1:14:31Uh to to to to deal with people who

1:14:33dealing with mental health uh

1:14:35gun issue. You know, a lot of topics

1:14:37people don't want to talk about. Uh but

1:14:39it's not one person and one thing can do

1:14:41it. It's easy to sit on the sidelines

1:14:44and say what someone is not doing.

1:14:47The hard part and the best part is to

1:14:48join in and let's work together to keep

1:14:51Detroit and keep it safe and keep it

1:14:53thriving like it's been doing in the

1:14:54last few years. So, if anyone wants to

1:14:57get involved, contact us, contact uh

1:14:59your representative, contact everyone

1:15:02cuz it's just not going to take us, it's

1:15:04not just not going to take you, it's not

1:15:06just going to take the mayor all the way

1:15:08up to the governor, all the way up to

1:15:09the White House.

1:15:11We have to bring civility back

1:15:14because our babies are dying

1:15:16and we want to continue to keep our

1:15:18community thriving.

1:15:19So, thank you.

1:15:21Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1:15:21>> Thank you, uh commiss- uh Vice Chair

1:15:23Watts, Commissioner Williams.

1:15:25>> Uh through the chair.

1:15:27Uh Chief, I got a question for you. Uh I

1:15:29don't know if you have the answers or

1:15:30not, but recently through a social media

1:15:33post, I seen an officer

1:15:35um I don't know the officer's name.

1:15:38I don't know if he goes by Sassy Cop or

1:15:42if that's a

1:15:44um

1:15:45name that

1:15:46people call him or whatever. I don't

1:15:48know.

1:15:49However, when I seen a video, the

1:15:51officer

1:15:53is um

1:15:54saying some very harsh words to

1:15:57someone, a citizen. Um

1:16:01calling a lady, I assume a female

1:16:04a garden tool,

1:16:06a female dog,

1:16:08FU,

1:16:09uh and

1:16:11it appears to be and I I I don't want to

1:16:13say it as if it's facts, but it looks

1:16:15like it's somewhere on Gratiot, maybe

1:16:17the 7th Precinct area.

1:16:19The video shows he might be a sergeant.

1:16:21I'm not sure if you got wind of it, but

1:16:23it's something that I would probably

1:16:24like

1:16:25uh to have looked into

1:16:28because the behavior

1:16:30from that officer,

1:16:32if a sergeant, I don't think that's, you

1:16:34know, the

1:16:36uh what you speak on as far as

1:16:37professionalism. Um no matter what the

1:16:39circumstances is and I know in previous

1:16:42meetings we we spoke on gas station

1:16:44interactions and you know, you always

1:16:47say it's it's something that the camera

1:16:49didn't catch in the beginning and

1:16:50there's something that at the end. So, I

1:16:52only caught the the middle.

1:16:55But, the environment from what I heard,

1:16:56it didn't seem to be a very hostile

1:16:59environment. But, then again, I don't

1:17:01know what happened outside of that. But,

1:17:03I do know that you had this officer

1:17:05calling someone

1:17:08a female dog, a garden tool, and you

1:17:11know, FU.

1:17:13And it's it's clear. It's clear. So, I

1:17:14wanted to bring it to your attention and

1:17:17hopefully someone can look into it. I'm

1:17:19sure a complaint hasn't been made by

1:17:21someone, but

1:17:22um

1:17:24I hope that they do.

1:17:27>> With Through the chair.

1:17:29Through the chair, um

1:17:32Commissioner Williams, this is my first

1:17:33time hearing about it. I'm not familiar

1:17:35with sassy cop, but

1:17:38um please share the video with me.

1:17:40>> Yeah, that's Through the chair, sorry.

1:17:42>> we will

1:17:43we will definitely look into it, but

1:17:45I've never heard of sassy cop, but

1:17:48>> It it Through the chair, that's that's

1:17:50the name that I've been hearing on

1:17:54social media that he I don't know again,

1:17:56I don't know if he goes by that or if

1:17:58that's the name that the community gave

1:18:01him, but there's different videos, sassy

1:18:04cop.

1:18:05And

1:18:06um

1:18:07you can search it. It's on social media.

1:18:09So, I'll definitely show it to you. But,

1:18:12the the behavior that the cop that the

1:18:14officer displayed is where I'm more

1:18:17focused on because those are things that

1:18:19I I speak on when I speak on officers

1:18:21jumping out on people at gas stations or

1:18:23wherever.

1:18:25They're supposed to de-escalate

1:18:26situations and things like that could

1:18:29have went a different way if that lady's

1:18:31brother, husband, cousin of a male

1:18:33gender was there.

1:18:35>> Yep. I will say Commissioner Williams,

1:18:37you

1:18:38professionalism is something that we

1:18:40teach at the academy. We reinstruct, we

1:18:42train, and that's something that as as

1:18:45the chief that I demand and I expect of

1:18:48the members of DPD. So,

1:18:50looking forward to get more information

1:18:52about that and identifying the officer

1:18:55that's engaged in that. One of the

1:18:57things that I didn't say during the

1:18:58report when I reported out with my

1:19:00report is just how hard the and and I

1:19:03and I recognize that you know, the

1:19:05majority of men and women of DPD are

1:19:07doing a phenomenal job. I mean, they're

1:19:08out there, they're working. Last week,

1:19:11they answered 7,500

1:19:15and 63 calls for service. At all of

1:19:18those shooting scenes that I responded

1:19:20to, the members actually got there

1:19:23within like 3 to 4 minutes on scenes.

1:19:26Um, I remember the days where it used to

1:19:28take about an hour for a priority one to

1:19:30actually get to a scene. So, the the

1:19:32vast majority are doing it. They're out

1:19:34there, and um, you know, I I give them

1:19:37kudos, but for the ones that are, you

1:19:39know, um, calling Detroiters and other

1:19:41citizens residents out their names and

1:19:43as you say, sassy cop referring to the

1:19:45woman as a garden tool,

1:19:47a female dog, that that's a problem and

1:19:50we'll address it.

1:19:53>> Yeah, you are done.

1:19:54>> It will be Commissioner Ivy,

1:19:56>> Commissioner Morris, and uh,

1:19:59Commissioner Woods.

1:20:00>> And Bowman.

1:20:00>> That is out. I didn't see Bowman. Okay,

1:20:02Bowman, you will be after uh,

1:20:04Commissioner Woods.

1:20:06>> And through the chair, thank you so

1:20:07much. My question is to you, Chief Todd

1:20:10Betts. Thank you for the work that

1:20:11you're doing. We see you, we support

1:20:13you, and keep doing a good job. But, the

1:20:16question was asked of me of a couple of

1:20:18community members. When you were

1:20:19reporting these shootings, and if you

1:20:22can speak to the data, are these

1:20:25shootings occurring through random

1:20:26shootings, self-defense,

1:20:29retaliation,

1:20:31um,

1:20:34when you when who what what's the data

1:20:36on when people are being shot or when

1:20:38shootings happen? Because the concern of

1:20:40the community is if these are all random

1:20:42like people just going out shooting,

1:20:44then they're concerned. But they would

1:20:45like for you to speak to

1:20:47when you get these reports like the this

1:20:49the 16-year-old, was that a random

1:20:51drive-by or a retaliation?

1:20:54And when it comes to shootings where we

1:20:57know with the one at the house on Press,

1:20:59that was kind of sound like a

1:21:00retaliative type shooting, but they

1:21:02would like to know if you know, the

1:21:04safety measure like are these people

1:21:05just walking up to parties shooting

1:21:07people or is there some reason why this

1:21:10is happening before their security so

1:21:11they won't be worried like are these

1:21:13people still if they haven't been

1:21:14apprehended, what we what do we have to

1:21:16worry about?

1:21:19>> Commissioner Ivey and through the chair,

1:21:20that is a excellent question. Um and

1:21:23what we can do

1:21:25is give a report out. And so at the next

1:21:28commission meeting, I will give a report

1:21:30out on the categories of shootings for

1:21:35the year and

1:21:37the modus operandi as far as a breakdown

1:21:40whether it's stranger-stranger,

1:21:43whether or not it's known offender and

1:21:46break down that relationship. But in

1:21:47regards to these most recent shootings,

1:21:50because they're so fresh and it's a open

1:21:52investigation, I can't get in front of

1:21:54the prosecutor and is individuals that

1:21:57are still going through the process of

1:21:59being interviewed, folks who we have

1:22:01apprehended and even as far as the

1:22:05shooting of the 16-year-old, already

1:22:07have leads. And so when I say that we're

1:22:09going to apprehend you, catch you,

1:22:11there's some stuff that I just can't say

1:22:12right now, but with the technology, with

1:22:16tips that are coming in and tips are

1:22:18coming in,

1:22:20we're able to close the majority of

1:22:23these cases. And so that's a good thing

1:22:25and we'll report out. and for

1:22:28individuals that have been charged by

1:22:30the prosecutor, it's a whole breakdown

1:22:33as to what happened and and and what it

1:22:36was for, but we will give you a

1:22:37breakdown and also with age. You would

1:22:41you would be surprised that the majority

1:22:44of victims

1:22:45actually are not juveniles per se, they

1:22:48fall more so in the age range of that 18

1:22:52to about 35.

1:22:55Um and so but we'll give you a further

1:22:57breakdown. Then we have a DB component

1:23:00nexus of it as well where shootings are

1:23:03happening based off relationship, people

1:23:05just altercations and conflicts, but

1:23:08just stranger stranger, you're minding

1:23:11your own business.

1:23:13That that doesn't occur. That's that's a

1:23:15small percentile, and believe it or not,

1:23:18even the gang related shootings have

1:23:20been tremendously down in the city of

1:23:22Detroit, but I'll give you a specific

1:23:23breakdown next week.

1:23:25>> I appreciate it. Thank you. You answered

1:23:26that well. Thank you so much.

1:23:27>> You're all done. Uh Commissioner Knight.

1:23:30>> Commissioner Morris.

1:23:31>> Yes. Um I would agree with the chief.

1:23:34The vast majority of the members of the

1:23:36Detroit Police Department uh from police

1:23:39officers all the way up in ranking are

1:23:41uh very great people. Uh they're

1:23:43phenomenal people.

1:23:45Um I'm I'm honored to be a commissioner,

1:23:48to be associated with heroes.

1:23:51Um so I would like to say that. You

1:23:53every now and then you got a few bad

1:23:55apples.

1:23:56Uh and when we when when when those bad

1:23:59apples are are seen, we have to hold

1:24:02them accountable.

1:24:04Um and the chief sends us

1:24:06recommendations to suspend people

1:24:08without pay

1:24:10uh for misconduct

1:24:12or allegations of misconduct. Uh 3 weeks

1:24:16ago we received a recommendation

1:24:20to suspend an officer without pay

1:24:23uh but with medical benefits.

1:24:27Um that was 3 weeks ago.

1:24:29Uh here we are 3 weeks later. He

1:24:32requested it.

1:24:33And if we want to have the police

1:24:35department um that is acceptable to the

1:24:38citizens, we have to help the chief to

1:24:41make sure accountability take place.

1:24:44So,

1:24:45I move that we adopt the chief's

1:24:49recommendation

1:24:52and request that police officer Scott

1:24:55Polvish be suspended without pay but

1:24:59with medical benefits.

1:25:02>> Through the chair.

1:25:03>> Uh yes, ma'am.

1:25:04>> Um I'd like to second that with a um

1:25:08correction of the language to

1:25:10administrative leave without pay.

1:25:11>> Yes, ma'am.

1:25:13Is that correct?

1:25:15>> So, you're supporting it with

1:25:16administrative leave without pay?

1:25:18>> But with medical benefits. Yes, Mr.

1:25:20Chair.

1:25:23>> I would you have any Is there any

1:25:24discussion on the motion?

1:25:28Is that uh Commissioner DeWall?

1:25:30>> I'm sorry. What

1:25:32Was there a reason why it wasn't voted

1:25:33on at the meeting?

1:25:36>> Uh we had a

1:25:37Through the chair. We had a community

1:25:39meeting, so it was pushed off.

1:25:42And then all of a sudden, for some

1:25:44reason or another, um it was pulled from

1:25:48the uh

1:25:49it was pulled from the uh agenda. Um and

1:25:53without going into details with the uh

1:25:56allegations

1:25:57uh that were made, I am concerned for

1:26:00the safety and well-being of the public

1:26:02uh that it continues to go on um any

1:26:05further without us

1:26:07um

1:26:08taking this matter up.

1:26:11Also, one more thing, Chair. Um if there

1:26:14is any questions um regarding the

1:26:17situation. Commander McGinnis, who was

1:26:20the commander over internal affairs, is

1:26:22here and he does have all of the

1:26:25supporting documents of the

1:26:26investigation.

1:26:29>> Okay, through the chair, I was not at

1:26:31that meeting, so if you do take a vote,

1:26:33I will have to abstain.

1:26:35>> Yes, ma'am.

1:26:36>> Thank you. Is there any other discussion

1:26:38on the motion?

1:26:40Hearing none, all in favor of the

1:26:41motion, please indicate by saying I.

1:26:43>> I.

1:26:44>> Any opposed?

1:26:45>> Abstain.

1:26:46>> Abstain.

1:26:47>> Abstentions?

1:26:49Motion does carry.

1:26:53I'm sorry. Commissioner Woods, you got

1:26:54something?

1:26:55>> Yes, and if very briefly, I just want to

1:26:58uh thank the chief for addressing these

1:27:01concerns as relates to the uptick. And I

1:27:05will also want to thank uh the mayor of

1:27:08the city of Detroit as well as

1:27:09department and the various CVI groups,

1:27:12uh Ceasefire,

1:27:14uh Detroit Wayne Integrated Health

1:27:15Network, and many other organizations

1:27:18that can canvas uh these neighborhoods

1:27:22and knocked on every door in these

1:27:23neighborhoods to be able to uh provide a

1:27:27level of comfort to the residents and to

1:27:30and to connect them to community-based

1:27:32resources and help organizing

1:27:35uh various uh

1:27:37uh block clubs, helping them to

1:27:38understand that

1:27:40uh and citizen patrol and all of those

1:27:42type of things. And I also want to uh uh

1:27:45applaud the chief for uh paying

1:27:49attention to the victimization of these

1:27:52uh young babies, going into the

1:27:53hospitals, visiting these families,

1:27:55these children, uh which is a

1:27:57gut-wrenching situation.

1:28:00Uh Chief, you has been stellar in that

1:28:02in that regard. I watched you sacrifice

1:28:05uh thousands and thousands of dollars of

1:28:07your personal money to be able to help

1:28:09some of these families.

1:28:11Uh unfortunately, have to bury some of

1:28:13these families

1:28:14Uh uh and being able to help

1:28:18in some of these crisis moments

1:28:21and I just encourage

1:28:23the citizens of the city Detroit that

1:28:26own guns to lock up your guns

1:28:29because this is a vitally

1:28:32necessary thing to do when you have

1:28:35children in a home and so we can't say

1:28:38that enough. And any family members that

1:28:41may be suffering or communities may be

1:28:43suffering they can contact D-WIN the

1:28:46Detroit Wayne Detroit Wayne Integrated

1:28:49Health Network to get some emotional

1:28:52support and therapeutic support during

1:28:55these times of crisis

1:28:58and so thank you once again and

1:29:01Commissioner Conyers we crossed paths on

1:29:05the one of these incidents and various

1:29:09commissioners going and to be able to

1:29:11help and wrap our arms around the

1:29:13citizens of the city of Detroit.

1:29:17>> Thank you. I'm looking at Commissioner

1:29:18Bowman.

1:29:19>> Yeah, I had a question about the

1:29:21statistics that you answered with us

1:29:24Chief to the Chief

1:29:28>> Yes, sir.

1:29:28>> Okay,

1:29:30and it was

1:29:31regarding the um

1:29:34fatal and non-fatal shootings.

1:29:38Are any of the

1:29:40numbers you gave us for non-fatal

1:29:42shootings shootings where a person did

1:29:45not die on the scene

1:29:48but was but died later?

1:29:53>> We scrub the numbers every day

1:29:55and so if they succumb later

1:30:00it's removed from the non-fatal to the

1:30:02homicide.

1:30:04So much so that when we scrub our

1:30:07numbers,

1:30:08it's a category or a term that we

1:30:11utilize as languishers. That's how we

1:30:13refer to them. And so,

1:30:17even if someone was critically injured,

1:30:21it could be a situation where they were

1:30:22assaulted

1:30:256 months ago.

1:30:27Or it could have been last year.

1:30:30And we'll we'll go back to last year.

1:30:32They they were assaulted.

1:30:35But,

1:30:37they die

1:30:38during this calendar year.

1:30:40They're counted as a homicide this

1:30:42calendar year.

1:30:45So, we

1:30:49What you're getting at as far as the

1:30:51non-fatal, it would be moved from that

1:30:53category and the numbers would be

1:30:55updated.

1:30:56>> Thank you very much.

1:30:57>> Motion to adjourn.

1:30:58>> Mr. Chair,

1:31:00I have a question.

1:31:03>> Commissioner Kamille.

1:31:04>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. A couple questions

1:31:05for the chief. First of all, I just

1:31:07would like to um

1:31:08thank

1:31:09First A AC Hayes um for providing some

1:31:14um gun locks at last minute notice. And

1:31:17also to thank my colleague, Commissioner

1:31:19Morris, um for joining myself and one of

1:31:22our um other neighborhood leaders to

1:31:25canvas the area where we lost a

1:31:2714-year-old

1:31:29couple days ago here um tragically. And

1:31:32um just had a good time wrapping our

1:31:34arms around community and there was a

1:31:36lot of interest in the gun locks.

1:31:38>> Yes.

1:31:39>> So, thank you so much for providing

1:31:40those at last minute notice. Couple

1:31:42questions for you, please um through the

1:31:45chair.

1:31:45>> Yes, ma'am.

1:31:46>> And there uh

1:31:48you mentioned officer that was being

1:31:49investigated for misusing ALPR data. Um

1:31:54I I am I am still concerned that we

1:31:56haven't received the report that I

1:31:58requested for the ALPR audit, um your

1:32:02last audit, but in regards to that

1:32:04specific officer,

1:32:06can you give a status on that

1:32:07investigation?

1:32:08>> Yes, ma'am. Commander McGinnis.

1:32:28>> Yeah, I'm sorry. Which investigation?

1:32:30>> The

1:32:31violation

1:32:33that I reported out to the board

1:32:36for a license plate reader.

1:32:38>> Oh, yes.

1:32:40Um

1:32:41So, when that came in, we had some very

1:32:44significant concerns for obvious

1:32:46reasons. Um as the investigation

1:32:48progressed,

1:32:50uh it provided pretty significant

1:32:52evidence that the officer's vehicle was

1:32:55stolen, legitimately stolen, um and that

1:32:59his efforts using the

1:33:01the license plate reader system

1:33:04uh were not in a nefarious way to track

1:33:07uh any, you know, spouse or ex-spouse of

1:33:09his as what we initially thought. Um and

1:33:13so, it's still an ongoing investigation,

1:33:16and uh we we still do have uh the

1:33:19potential for misconduct relative to

1:33:21using the system, um but there is also

1:33:25information that he was given some

1:33:27guidance from a a supervisor

1:33:30uh who didn't have the complete picture

1:33:33uh when he gave the guidance.

1:33:35Um and so, uh we're working through

1:33:38that, uh but it is an active

1:33:39investigation still, but again, it was

1:33:42not a uh a case of tracking someone

1:33:45down.

1:33:48>> Thank you um for that through the chair.

1:33:50Thank you for that update. Um looking

1:33:52forward to see how that investigation

1:33:55concludes when it's finished.

1:33:57Um definitely that is a more encouraging

1:34:00update.

1:34:02Still would like to know when we're

1:34:03going to have that audit report of the

1:34:06ALPR usage. Do you have an update on

1:34:09when we'll be receiving that?

1:34:13>> I will ensure you receive that next

1:34:15week. Next Thursday.

1:34:17>> Thank you so much. Through the chair,

1:34:18just a couple more items for the chief,

1:34:20please.

1:34:23Chief, I received some information in

1:34:25regards to a 15-year-old

1:34:28young lady indicating

1:34:31well, her mother indicating that her

1:34:33daughter was struck by

1:34:35a Detroit police vehicle recently while

1:34:38she was on her electric bike. Is that

1:34:40Is that something that the department is

1:34:42aware of?

1:34:44I didn't see anything in the news. Just

1:34:46a post from the mother.

1:34:48>> She's walking that way.

1:34:49>> Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. And that

1:34:51occurred the same almost at the same

1:34:54exact time as the 16-year-old was shot.

1:34:58And the shooting

1:35:02over off of Chalmers got the majority of

1:35:04the media attention, but it was at the

1:35:06same time and we are aware of it. And

1:35:09Commander McGinnis, once again, can give

1:35:11a report on it.

1:35:12>> Certainly. So, the first investigations

1:35:15is is handling that. The young lady was

1:35:19on a mini bike

1:35:21that disregarded a stop sign and

1:35:25road right out in front of the police

1:35:26car.

1:35:29It's incredible that uh

1:35:32uh she's alive cuz it was you know, she

1:35:34was going probably 15 or 20 and the

1:35:36scout car was doing

1:35:3735 or so and

1:35:39uh they had the

1:35:40the collision. Uh but from watching the

1:35:43dash cam of the incident uh the officers

1:35:47had

1:35:48zero chance to react based on her speed

1:35:51and where their location was when she

1:35:53went through the stop sign.

1:35:54Uh we're very fortunate she's alive. I

1:35:56know she's in the hospital. Uh I know

1:35:58that our fatal squad team is working

1:36:00with uh recent as of this morning we're

1:36:03trying to make contact with the mother

1:36:05so we can show the mother the video so

1:36:07she can see what we've seen. Uh but

1:36:09nonetheless, we're doing administrative

1:36:11investigation on it. Um and I I believe

1:36:15it's protocol in those circumstances

1:36:18that the issue is reviewed by Wayne

1:36:20County Prosecutor's Office

1:36:22uh as a third-party review.

1:36:24>> Okay. Thank you so much for that update.

1:36:26And Mr. Chair, my last question is

1:36:28around um and this is a question perhaps

1:36:31for the chief corporation counsel may

1:36:33want to step in and assist. Our Office

1:36:36of the Chief Investigator continues to

1:36:39um struggle through the process of

1:36:41requesting body worn camera footage for

1:36:43our investigations.

1:36:45Um something that our investigators

1:36:47should have direct access to. We've been

1:36:49talking about about this for months. Are

1:36:52there any updates in regards to our

1:36:55Office of the Chief Investigator

1:36:56receiving that access back? Any move

1:36:59from Michigan State Police or FBI on

1:37:02their um CJIS policy? Any type of

1:37:06progress on getting that access back,

1:37:07please?

1:37:09>> Uh yes, sir.

1:37:10>> Mr. Chair,

1:37:11uh Commissioner Camille, uh I'm working

1:37:13with the chief. This is when when when

1:37:15this came up um

1:37:18um

1:37:19it was brought to my attention once

1:37:21again uh by Commissioners Moore and

1:37:23Woods.

1:37:25I sent an email out to the commissioners

1:37:28indicating that

1:37:30the research that I've done, body worn

1:37:32cameras are not subject to CJIS. The

1:37:35redaction, however, is an important part

1:37:38of what has to occur.

1:37:41What I suggested to the chief and what I

1:37:44am suggesting to the board is that the

1:37:48uh policy committee headed by the vice

1:37:51chair Watts

1:37:53that we have a body worn camera policy.

1:37:57Make sure that it's updated that

1:37:58includes victims rights which was an

1:38:01essential part of the reap most recent

1:38:03Michigan Municipal League body worn

1:38:06camera update advisory

1:38:10and I think that we can we can come to a

1:38:13resolution of this which will satisfy

1:38:15all the parties. We'll give the access

1:38:18that the office of the chief

1:38:19investigator needs. We have to make we

1:38:23the board of police commissioners has to

1:38:25make a decision on the level of

1:38:27redaction that they believe is

1:38:29appropriate. But

1:38:32the the bottom line is is that I think

1:38:33we got a pathway that should result

1:38:36fairly quickly in the resolution of this

1:38:39issue. Now particularly in that the body

1:38:43worn camera is is

1:38:46eligible for

1:38:49policy management by the board of police

1:38:51commissioners. We are going to check

1:38:54just to be sure with Michigan State

1:38:57Police once we have the policy that I've

1:38:59described completed and adopted by this

1:39:02body.

1:39:03But I I think the resolution of this

1:39:06issue is

1:39:07weeks away.

1:39:09>> Through the chair.

1:39:10>> Yes, ma'am.

1:39:11>> A follow-up question. Okay, so

1:39:13Corporation Council, you mentioned that

1:39:16the redaction is necessary. So if

1:39:19>> I I said it I'm recommending it

1:39:21commissioner. I don't know that it's

1:39:22necessary, but I'm recommending it.

1:39:25>> Okay, so if as a body we decided that no

1:39:27redaction is necessary, then that would

1:39:30then allow our investigators to have

1:39:32direct access because any level of

1:39:34redaction is going to require that they

1:39:37ask for

1:39:38the footage on a case-by-case basis. But

1:39:42the only way they would have direct

1:39:43access where they have their own login

1:39:45and can search and find the footage that

1:39:47they need is that no redaction would be

1:39:50occurring. Am I understanding that

1:39:52correctly?

1:39:53>> Um Lord knows I am not technical. So, uh

1:39:58but let's assume that you're correct. If

1:40:01the the the reason that I'm recommending

1:40:03redaction is because we have had

1:40:06breaches of confidentiality before.

1:40:09The redaction protects the board. The

1:40:11redaction

1:40:13protects

1:40:14the office of the chief investigator.

1:40:16The board can make a decision as to

1:40:19whether or not redaction is required.

1:40:21>> And through the chair, um I certainly

1:40:23appreciate that and I think in in any

1:40:25type of

1:40:27um

1:40:28a compliance

1:40:30uh organization,

1:40:32that there is a risk to individuals that

1:40:35take it upon themselves to

1:40:38um release things that they shouldn't.

1:40:39And we know that our investigators go

1:40:42through CJIS compliance training. They

1:40:45understand their responsibilities of

1:40:47confidentiality and they understand the

1:40:49consequences of breaching that. Um and

1:40:53um we can take a look at it, but I

1:40:55believe we have some mechanisms in place

1:40:57to be able to track back if someone

1:41:00um

1:41:01uh released information inappropriately.

1:41:03And so, I'm going to continue to

1:41:05advocate that our investigators get

1:41:07direct access like yesterday. Um and I'd

1:41:12also want to understand why

1:41:16they lost access in the first place in

1:41:18May when the um

1:41:22the explanation at that time, and that

1:41:24was official

1:41:26uh statement that came from the board,

1:41:28indicated that it was related to the FBI

1:41:31CJIS policy is why they that um our

1:41:34investigators lost that access. And so,

1:41:36I'm glad to be here with the pathway to

1:41:38get it back, but I also want to

1:41:40understand why we've even gone this far

1:41:44into the process when we could have

1:41:47understood all of this in May and

1:41:49prevented this from happening in the

1:41:50first place.

1:41:53I'm all set, Mr. Chair.

1:41:54>> Uh thank you, Commissioner Woods.

1:41:56>> Yep. Uh I will say the same thing.

1:41:59It should be unfettered access.

1:42:02Um there's

1:42:04never been a problem with our

1:42:06investigators. It's not like that. The

1:42:10Board of Police Commissioners are

1:42:12handling any of the information. This is

1:42:15handled by our investigators who swore

1:42:18an oath, and they have lived by that

1:42:21oath. You have never had one occasion

1:42:23where this has happened, but we have

1:42:25numerous occasions where

1:42:27members of the Detroit Police Department

1:42:29have leaked serious information to the

1:42:31public, uh to the media.

1:42:34You know, and we in fact have an

1:42:37investigation going on in that regard,

1:42:40too. You know, so

1:42:42we have been good Our investigators have

1:42:45been above board

1:42:47and have done their sacred duty

1:42:49to

1:42:51uh

1:42:52to investigate the citizen complaints.

1:42:56You know, so

1:42:58I take offense

1:42:59that

1:43:01uh

1:43:01any of our investigators have done

1:43:03anything uh other than operated above

1:43:07board. If you could point out

1:43:09a scintilla

1:43:11of information that that they have done

1:43:13something nefarious, then we'll be

1:43:15making some more other motions. So, you

1:43:18know, the fact of the matter is they

1:43:19have been stellar in their job, and they

1:43:22should be able to do their job

1:43:23unfettered.

1:43:26>> Commissioner Watts?

1:43:27>> Yes. Vice Chair Watts, I'm sorry.

1:43:29>> Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair.

1:43:30Yes, as the chair of the Policy

1:43:32committee, we look forward to looking at

1:43:34this and making sure we have a policy in

1:43:36place to ensure that we can uh make sure

1:43:40carry out our duty uh per the charter,

1:43:42but also protect the information uh

1:43:44that's presented. Thank you.

1:43:47>> Motion to adjourn.

1:43:48>> Support.

1:43:49>> Support.

1:43:49>> All in favor?

1:43:50>> Aye.

1:43:51>> Aye.

1:43:51>> Meeting adjourned.

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