2026-10-19 - City Council

00:15like to call to order the October 19th Municipal

00:24Clerk, please call the role. Council Ash,

00:29Council Riley present. Jim and Hubley present.

00:35a quorum. All right. Thank you very much. Now

00:40there? Okay. Pursuant to the open meeting

00:46recording of this public meeting or may transit m

00:52are therefore advised that such recordings or

00:57or unpersceived by those present and are deemed

01:03good evening folks. The one and only item that

01:10forward requesting a comprehensive update on the

01:16for the path forward in light of emerging private

01:22market conditions uh that initially prompted the

01:30cityowned um it was sub substantially different

01:39present an update I want to put a few plaque

01:43set and give us all a baseline for what we're

01:482018ish I believe uh Quinsey had limited comp

01:55it was pretty much Comcast broadband and Verizon

02:01competitively. A municipallyowned open access

02:07response at the time. Um I've spent about 25

02:12years as vice president of strategic technology

02:16understanding of both the problems created by

02:22realities of take rates, construction timelines

02:28very different. There's a lot of fixed wireless

02:34that are already available and they are quite

02:38uh needs. Verizon FiOS is now present in parts of

02:46and they informed me that their plan was to build

02:51next two years. Uh friends of mine down in housed

02:58signing up for FiOS at $65 a year and uh $75 for

03:08Go Net Speed announced a fully funded $34

03:13fiber deliverable network with speeds up to six

03:20the next few years, we can reasonably expect two

03:26options. The original near monopoly condition is

03:33of planning and legal authorizations and um a fair

03:40uh no no physical infrastructure on Quinsey's

03:46proposed haven't started. Um so even if we, you

03:52out, it would be a few years before we would uh

03:58the materials on the report you'll hear more about

04:03$50 million for the pilot, roughly a $200 million

04:11take rate which with several competitors in

04:17Um, subscriptions were voluntary opt-in, which

04:23over the course of 20 years, which doesn't work as

04:28that asset as they move about the city or outside

04:35it was a very important effort when we first

04:41but I think we are in different times right

04:46path also has some opportunity costs. So staff

04:53put in different uh directions if we decide

04:58moving forward on. Um but that's sort of the

05:03idea first initiated. Um the environment is very

05:09right now through competitive offerings and uh

05:15the city has uh been doing and what they've got

05:24through you Mr. Chairman. Thank you very much.

05:28about uh the work that's been done over the

05:34repetitive in some of the things that you've said,

05:42have had a number of conversations u since you

05:47some of these concerns. Um we've put a little uh

05:53at this point in time I think it's fair to say

05:58of the very reasons you mentioned counselor um

06:03near future on this. Um we will we will put a pin

06:11um was done was not worthwhile and uh produce

06:17one of the driving forces, at least from the

06:22council Kane and his work on this. He was coming

06:25but u from the mayor's perspective, it was

06:31the driving force uh behind his motivation to work

06:38Um but as as you note uh there are a number

06:46would avail themselves as we get clear. Um and

06:52based upon our conversations council moving

06:56any further material on it. All right. Thank you

07:02colleagues who might have some questions about the

07:10All right, councelor De Bona. Uh, thank you,

07:17bit about basically it's probably been about 9 to

07:25into the city council. It's been a long road. Um,

07:32they've been open to all different type

07:38as time's gone along, um, I think the techn techn

07:44better. I know just recently FiOS Verizon has

07:53I guess I could call it equipment slashmaterials

07:59in the last few months from the Comcast Exfinity

08:06price down dramatically. um they they basically

08:11of Quinsey and um I know you're you're working

08:18a lot of you know props to to continue to to do

08:23years. Um it's a long road. It's it's going to

08:30people who are listening um there is other avenues

08:38and then you know you have your other providers of

08:45I know a lot of folks were in a position where

08:53um they're like, "Okay, wait a minute. I

08:57um our QA TV channel 8 or, you know, nine." Now

09:03phone as technological upgrades have gotten

09:09really helped out a lot with driving the price

09:16I also like to consider the fact that you know

09:23of thing where they'll get their their internet

09:28way. Um I guess Direct TV does it too. There's a

09:33price down because I know for many many years uh

09:41could be up to $200 for your internet services

09:47other things and now you have Netflix and but just

09:52last few years and and the FiOS coming in here has

09:59out there. um with the price coming down a little

10:05I just went grocery shopping and the price went up

10:12diesel is still pretty high. Uh interest rates,

10:16relate to all this as well, is is pretty high.

10:24uh for folks if you're still stuck at Comcast

10:30feel free to reach out to myself. I mean, I've

10:35things. I know we want something across the city.

10:41talk a little bit about we we've opted into

10:45bit with the electric city um a little bit with

10:53opt out of it and it it it actually helped out the

10:59particular item that you have in forward in front

11:04folks out there want to save money and they and

11:08value, but at the same time driving the price

11:14monopolize and not allow consumers the right

11:22price down. Because at the end of the day, it it

11:28your electricity bill, your gas bill, I mean, your

11:35then at the end of the day, you got groceries.

11:40um having other providers allow us to drive the

11:45it's it's I I give you kudos bringing this into

11:51out there, the constituency in the city of Quinsey

11:56to save money and that the city council cares

12:01especially city of Quinsey residents. So, thank

12:11Oh, okay. Miss McKe. Um, thank you so much. So, I

12:19um just wondered if you could give a little

12:24following along too closely. Um, just the

12:30to pause this project because there are now more

12:38but I guess what has been done to date

12:45um have we spent on it? Sure. Um, Mr. Walker

12:52through you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, councelor, thank

12:57mentioned right around 2019 2020 uh in that

13:04Um it quickly gained a good deal of momentum

13:12issued a survey uh to residents asking if they'd

13:20these lines if the city was to move in that

13:24was overwhelming in support again in the context

13:31time and that was a a good piece of the driving

13:39firm that had is has appeared before this body

13:46um which has experience in developing municipal

13:52country that were brought on uh to assist us uh

14:00point A to point B project management some

14:07um the 30,000 foot work that that needed to we

14:13real experience in that world. Um, as that process

14:21to Tilson Technologies, a relatively local,

14:27actual infrastructure, uh, that would need to be

14:34municipal broadband. Uh, taken together, those two

14:39um, totaled $500,000. Um the last item that was

14:48the two pilot areas that we had anticipated

14:55have included a Quincy Point neighborhood and then

14:59MRy Mountain neighborhood. Um that was uh that RFQ

15:09because this is a lot of the stuff and a lot of

15:14the state feedback is that nothing like this has

15:20So when folks at various agencies saw this sort

15:26was different. Um there were some questions from

15:32would move forward again because nothing like this

15:37approve uh at that time going into the design

15:44build the CM at risk. Um and there was some

15:51uh what the state what it what we had originally

15:58that's sort of the last tangible thing that has

16:04um based upon the conversations that we started

16:11he took office uh the concerns that he raised

16:16the issues that we knew would would be present. I

16:23we are putting a pin in it um indefinitely. Um had

16:32tangible outreach and formal signups within those

16:40the the premise that this was going to be entirely

16:47to be any outside capital uh involved. We actually

16:54approved an enterprise fund and the state gave

16:59bonds. So everything if we had gone forward would

17:05something akin to what we have in our water and

17:11this utility essentially would have been derived

17:18at that time. Um but we have not obviously moved

17:24we are right now. So um basically planning work

17:32ready for signups and actually installing things

17:40what departments were mainly doing this in the

17:48departments. Um had the rubber um gotten closer

17:57involvement from the Department of Public Works.

18:04helpful um using the GPS technology that we have

18:10the network. Uh obviously it was involved um to a

18:17um dramatically increased had we decided to move

18:26would have been coordinating the existing city's

18:33in every street and every neighborhood but the

18:40of fiber that run uh our information technology

18:46info systems for the city. um in coordinating the

18:53that there was always a pathway for the two things

19:00of it's job responsibility in the scenario. Um

19:04an entirely different a new new new department uh

19:11the two pilot programs. Some of the analysis

19:16up. we could stand stand that up without a ton

19:23to pull the trigger on a full citywide buildout,

19:29light department type of scenario where you would

19:38those sorts of things where we would be running

19:45Thank you. Anybody else? Any my other colleagues,

19:53Councel Huby. I really want to thank you for

19:57first launched, I was curious, you know, what was

20:04you know, I can't remember the exact timing of

20:10down, but I think there was kind of a little bit

20:14you know, any competition, which was certainly

20:19but love or hate Comcast, Exfinity, whatever we

20:25COVID and they they stepped up and and ramped up

20:30uh to support all the remote stuff. So, um, you

20:35the party on this one, and I'm glad to see

20:41you know, from what I can see, it seems we've

20:45with with little progress towards the ultimate

20:50of 2025. Can can we confirm that we won't be we

20:56of this bonding or whatever. I mean, I can. Yes.

21:03in some of the capital improvement plan. Okay.

21:13the enterprise fund now? Anything? Nothing. Okay.

21:21instead of putting a pin in it, I would like to

21:26anything that had been approved, any bond that

21:33close this out completely because it seems

21:39solution down the line, we would want to um we

21:44would prefer to see that there be a more um finite

21:50link off the city's homepage because this is not

22:03Okay. Anyone any other colleagues anything

22:10question. uh is there any authorized bond but

22:17you Mr. chairman that the two appropriations

22:25for this request. One was actually um a

22:32might have been 2022 2023 surplus in our

22:38uh to the council and approved that was 250,000

22:44uh that included as we've done in the past you

22:51did include um money for for this I don't know

22:59um everything comes out of either that it was

23:06surplus and 250,000 from uh existing capital

23:18have any more and author authorized but nonissued

23:30Okay. Anyone else? Mr. Ash, Council Ash through

23:39Councelor Hubley, for bringing this forward.

23:42the pilot neighborhoods. Um, I am asked about it

23:48in my neighborhood looking at utilities. I want

23:54of 2025. Uh I you know discussed what they were up

24:01layers to an endeavor this large. So that company

24:07understanding the viability of what could be used

24:12uh all all things um considered I think that

24:19towards say YouTube TV or a third party sub

24:24announced their endeavor to come into the

24:28think it's a a warranted uh place to to kind of

24:35revisit it in in some some years if necessary.

24:41um certainly diversifying the broadband

24:48it's it's good to not see any more money spent on

24:55missing out on the pilot neighborhood. But thank

24:59um the the documentation to review

25:03Council Ash. Any of my other colleagues?

25:11um thinking, you know, hindsight is 2020, but

25:18this experience? Um where we might have should we

25:26way earlier on if if this wasn't going to go

25:37through you, Mr. Chairman. I don't That's a good

25:43of my head, you know, understanding the scope

25:52uh it potentially was in the end. Um, and some of

25:57how complicated um this was going to be. Um, we

26:07what's allowed on our poles. We have rights to

26:11in the city. Um, how much of it could be done

26:17drilling and regular drilling. um you know, and

26:22things were unanticipated, but um certainly there

26:31considered. Um, and even though I I think maybe

26:39um, the assumptions of the enthusiasm that

26:48um, we would need to re re-evaluate because

26:54results and based upon years upon years

26:58to get another provider in here, you know,

27:04even up to 60% uh they call it a take rate

27:09um would be no problem at all. But you know as

27:14further that that's still even in the environment

27:20uh was certainly going to be a challenge and to

27:27the yellow or the red light or the green light

27:33pretty clear from the beginning that this was

27:38so if we had gotten to the point had we gone out

27:45on the ground that we weren't getting, we were

27:49in the process for us to take a step back and

27:58Okay. Any my other colleagues? Councelor Riley.

28:06comment that I forgot when I uh commented earlier

28:12It does not affect our cable TV. It does not

28:18like YouTube TV and neess and stuff are totally

28:22access those services. So, um, you know, I

28:28put a period at the end of it and if we ever need

28:33just start from scratch. Um, this technology

28:37with it. And I think that's why Braintry um, shut

28:43couldn't couldn't keep up with it. So, um, again,

28:51Anyone else? Okay. All right. So, um just some

29:00are maybe just tuning in or who might have just

29:05uh creating a municipal-based broadband service

29:12idea at the time back when we did not have

29:18do today with broadband services. um Comcast now

29:24on the community. And the reason why that was the

29:30and you also didn't see it in some of the

29:34Massachusetts, is that when Verizon FiOS started

29:42did a two-pronged approach. They went for some of

29:46county and throughout the state and then they went

29:51a balanced approach and they started working

29:55cities if you might if you will. Uh and Quinsey

30:01where they started to get uh have trouble raising

30:07a result we didn't end up with a competitive

30:13this is just from my experience being in this

30:17networks all over the North America and a little

30:23um the economics changed and as things do eb

30:30what happened after the economic slowdown for

30:36more robust wireless options came about. Those far

30:42data plan uh which are now referred to as fixed

30:47you can go to Verizon, you can go to AT&T and you

30:50that will then offer broadband services within

30:56for someone who has just modest needs. they just

31:00and and check the news. But for people who have

31:06they work from home. They've got several people

31:10Those weren't really good. Um but now in response

31:17building into Quinsey. Um when I met with

31:22in Ward One. They didn't refer to it as that, but

31:27to look across the table at him and say, "You're

31:32so they're they they laid out their plans and now

31:37offering and that's the exact same goal that

31:41this endeavor. The idea was to have a competitive

31:48at the time and now there are multiple providers

31:53two two and a half years maybe three years there

31:59three in each area and three different wireless

32:06environment has seriously changed and that makes

32:12appreciate the administration. I appreciate the

32:16of residents saying there really isn't any

32:21I know the city tried to encourage providers to

32:26at the time. the cost of fiber buildouts,

32:32$3,500 per home's passed, which means home on the

32:39And then looking at the environment, they knew

32:44they would start to grow their business and the

32:48with emerging wireless investments. Um, so

32:53thing at the top. There are a few things that

32:59week I've been working with a constituent on

33:05their fiber optic network through the city, one

33:11turn down the old copper old phone line network

33:18now. And I just spent some time at uh a neighbor's

33:23from Verizon that she's had for probably 40

33:29of options where she should go and everyone's

33:33packages that she has no interest in. Uh and also

33:39I'm trying to help her work her way and sift her

33:44one proposal I'll make to the administration is

33:50that we had contemplated, maybe there's a

33:55options and where to go to fi to search to find

34:00struggling through all the different sales pitches

34:06to just sign up for a phone line, you know, that's

34:10calls in the in in the middle of a storm and have

34:16know, of course, every time you call a a cable

34:20want to upsell you on 11 different things. So, I

34:25calls and emails from people who are a little bit

34:30into the city and starts to shut down their copper

34:35country. Matter of time. So, I will uh close with

34:44All right. Like to adjourn this meeting

34:51Good evening. We're going to call the Monday,

34:57could you call the could you call the role,

35:02present. Council Hubley, present.

35:07present. Council Riley, present. Council Ryan,

35:13present. Nine members. You have a quorum.

35:23And if we could turn and pledge allegiance

35:28of the United States of America and

35:33one nation under God, indivisible,

35:41Thank you. Um, madam clerk, could you read

35:46meeting law, any person may make an audio or video

35:51the meeting through any medium. Attendees

35:55or transmissions are being made, whether

36:00and are deemed acknowledged and permissible.

36:04have on the in on the agenda this evening,

36:20All right. Thank you, President Mahoney.

36:27All right. If I could have the members of the

36:33both past and present, come up and please join me

36:47All right. Good evening. 35 years ago last month

36:56Wallist and Monontlair walked into the hall

37:01at Harvard and West Guanom and decided that

37:06their own. The minutes of that meeting September

37:15probably in Kevin's living room. Oh, he's

37:22so 36 residents, a few guests including Bob G

37:30Joe Catalano could tell the rest of Quinsey

37:36They settled the ground the new association would

37:43Beiel Street up to President's Golf Course. They

37:48Association. And they adjourned at 8:45. That's

37:55the neighborhood association is almost a miracle.

38:01called the meeting deserve to be named. Uh, Howard

38:06be with us. Uh, Jeff and Trisha Greyber. Jeff

38:13um Everett and Denise Goodrich, Bob and Karen

38:21who opened his hall church, and Larry Kian who

38:27that a council counselor is even stronger when

38:34the into the bylaws is still the job. Speak for

38:40Keep a form where neighbors can say what's on

38:46respect for one another's peace, privacy, person,

38:53endorsements. An officer who runs for office

38:58the association has persisted for so long. It

39:07And it used that voice when the super stop

39:11pneumatic scale site. The association was at the

39:17of crossing closing the wall fire station, it

39:23push that idea back. When development pressed at

39:29an area of critical environmental concern,

39:35with an AONET River Watershed Association and

39:41land with community preservation funds.

39:46uh that could have impacted the neighborhood

39:51shop parking area once again in this past year

39:59record is a little bit quieter. They do SC they

40:04um camperships for camperships for elementary

40:11graduates of North Quinsey High School and days

40:16this past weekend back at Bishop's Field um which

40:22as something in the neighborhood that meant

40:28a long time for a volunteer organization to stay

40:35people in the neighborhood decided over and over

40:40and on behalf of the city of Quinsey, I'm pleased

40:45Neighborhood Association, its founders, its

40:51attendance tonight, unless someone else showed

40:56Christine Leblanc, Marilyn McConville, Jeff

41:04Mike Caveas, and Patrick McDermott, and

41:11I hope not. Okay. All right. Well, thank you

41:18as the current president of the association, Mr.

41:26I said a few a few words. Anybody who

41:31well and by the way it's wonderful to be back

41:37uh good luck. Um thank you very much Walter. Um

41:44a labor of love. It's been people who just like

41:51loves the community. um that maybe like me

41:56for almost 72 years. Um raised my kids there. I'm

42:04And um we just wanted what was best. And um

42:12a response from the community or sometimes when

42:19for the the benefit of all in the community, we

42:25representation. There was that 14-year period.

42:31um we've always had good representation. And I'll

42:35know I had to beg Larry to come because he said,

42:47were it not for um Howard and Janet Crowley um and

42:55um coming together um you know, this

43:02Janet, we lost Janet in 2017. How's

43:06hope he's watching tonight. I wanted

43:16Um, he's he he still has a lot of I I have

43:22trove of of the data from our history and

43:28and it's never been about any one individual.

43:34our t-shirts say in the front of it, we are one

43:41but yeah, we have we've we've accomplished a lot

43:48we've done and um for those of us who still live

43:54there to offer advice. If anyone needs advice,

44:00opinions. We're not shy, Kevin. I'm sorry. We'll

44:05don't do that. It's actually on the bottom

44:10but I'm I'm just grateful to be part of this uh

44:16wife because for the 14 years that I was on the

44:21at home uh and then let me know what was going

44:27uh the uh counting work and uh secretarial work

44:33never replace Howie and Janet Crowley

44:40Um and Jeff Greyber was was our first president

44:51officers uh that uh you know worked with him

44:57um really uh set a high bar in terms of um you

45:05the organization uh on track and and to you know

45:13you know um things that confronted the community

45:18we offered u lessons for uh young people um who

45:25we provided for those at the president's golf

45:30there were babysitting courses back then. We

45:36looked at the uh totality of what it takes to make

45:43part of making it a better community. So, thank

45:57Well, thank you. Thank you all so much for coming

46:01to um get get a picture in the well here if that's

46:08the Wall Hill Neighborhood Association kind of

46:13the Monontlair Wallist Neighbor Association,

46:18and preserving what's beautiful about the

46:22can't leave out the neckers who really know how

46:27we really appreciate it. And so on behalf

46:31I also extend a thank you. Uh so maybe we can

46:36just because we have several of these. So

46:40can all do the photographs afterwards. Is

46:43Um moving. Maybe if you can help me hand these

47:02done. All right, if you guys maybe want take

47:10don't leave everybody because you're going

47:16I got one more. Yeah, sorry. He's

47:25Okay.

47:36All right. Could I have the members of

47:43All right. And while they while they come up

47:51it's my distinct honor and genuine pleasure

47:56commendation on behalf of the residents of

48:01celebrate a group of musicians who have given

48:06our neighborhoods and our city. The members of

48:11um by what was the name of the award at the Ruth

48:17able to be present and a part of uh for their

48:23and and local music. Um some of you might know

48:28uh but they've kind of changed that name over

48:35whether it's under the banner of the Rudder Crew

48:39fixture in Quinsey's local music scene for years.

48:45uh, country, soul, songs that get people moving,

48:50the original members, not a lot of people know

48:58Matt Coughlin, uh, Math Valencis, Janet O'onghue,

49:06Thank you. I've mispronounced it for a long

49:12they are neighbors, they are friends, and through

49:16and neighborhood celebrations, they've helped

49:20whole. Music like theirs just doesn't entertain.

49:26community. It creates shared memories, shared

49:30It turns parks into gathering places. I have a few

49:36I will share. One of them was um so Matt Valencus

49:44our PTO days when we all all both of our families

49:50volunte bluegrass on the back of a um hayride at

49:59back when I wasn't sure if that was one word or

50:04but Matt and Connory invited me over to their

50:09needed to learn and I got through it. Okay. Uh

50:13at Daddy's or was it the down hull? Yeah. Yeah.

50:23members of the rudder crew, I know Kevin and his

50:28Association had their first park celebration.

50:34performing and then we also played the block party

50:41rare appearance down in How's Neck, the three

50:47um just just a lot of great things. And the last

50:52of the Saturdays in the park events. Um and this

50:58the park on Safford on Bee Street and the weather

51:03wanted to leave. We had about 80 people there or

51:08great time. And so the rudder crew quickly loaded

51:14vehicles and then came back and did an acoustic

51:19were in neighboring tents and we were there for

51:23cuz they saved my event that whole day. So um I

51:32new bass player who isn't from uh Ward 3, but uh

51:40end of this crew, I did exercise my full authority

51:46status. Uh this honor this honorary status does

51:51hard to find, but it also doesn't come with any

51:58remember and honor a beloved former member of the

52:05of 2025 after a courageous bar battle with cancer.

52:12the Quinsey and Hall school system, a guitar

52:18scene for decades. He shared his passion freely

52:25Um to Leo's wife Karen and the entire family,

52:32laughter, friendship, and friendship he brought to

52:37to music, education, and the local scene will not

52:433 and the city of Quinsey, I offer this formal

52:48commitment to our community, generosity, and

53:07Um, do pictures. I think we're good. Um,

53:10and then yeah, we can go. We'll have you up

53:15Councelor Jacobs has a couple of

53:22Um, for those of you who don't know, October is

53:28to reflect on the importance of kindness, respect,

53:33Department of Health and Human Services, bullying

53:39real or perceived power, a power imbalance

53:45The National Center for Education Statistics

53:50to 18 experience bullying during the school year.

53:56I believe in preventing bullying begins with the

54:02what they see. When adults engage in name calling,

54:09particularly in front of children, adults send

54:14cannot expect children to treat one another with

54:19ourselves. Tonight, I want to recognize one you a

54:25kindness and inclusion truly mean. Cleo Trudale

54:33at Athen Elementary School began an initiative in

54:39a buddy bench to the school playground. Inspired

54:44two years collecting separating plastic bottle

54:50and school staff, community member and community

54:56challenges, uh she persevered and on April 30th,

55:02It was raining that day. I actually remember

55:06a buddy bench provides children who may

55:11uh, signaling to classmates that they would

55:15reach out and build relationships and include

55:20create a school environment where bullying is less

55:26supported Cleo's efforts in this endeavor. Uh, her

55:31the daughters of the American Revolution were

55:35uh Dave Deona Jr. who we recognize here was

55:42a community effort the principal of the school

55:49uh was also involved. Um so Cleo, you've shown

55:55difference in your community. Your compassion

56:00students at Athenhow for years to come.

56:04I do like that when the sun sets that bench is

56:09you can so it's warm there longer. So on behalf

56:15congratulations, Cleo, and thank you for making

56:34And I know we're going to go to a

56:37and then So now we're going to recess

56:57Heat. Heat.

57:40Heat. Heat.

58:32Heat. Heat.

59:51Heat. Heat.

1:00:05Mhm.

1:00:26You want to know

1:02:02Heat. Heat.

1:02:23All right, we're going to go

1:02:28So, we're going to bring back the um the

1:02:32to open it up to open forum. So,

1:02:36forum tonight is Hank Dondaro. So if

1:02:40your address. I see you're from ward

1:02:47Good evening Hank Dondiero 65 minute a

1:02:54if you've gone too far if you haven't gone far

1:03:00uh product engineering. It's an outgrowth of

1:03:06an outgrowth of uh laws, checks and balances.

1:03:14is you're doing is unless you push it to the

1:03:20relates to the city and the government here?

1:03:27uh don't think that mass surveillance is taking

1:03:33a rock somewhere. Uh the MBTA as an example. Uh

1:03:42through the station, you're being surveiled. You

1:03:47go in a bank, you're being surveiled. You go to an

1:03:53there's a lot of it around, but there are checks

1:03:59around that to prevent, we'll say, prevent abuses.

1:04:08infancy, it certainly is as far as legislation is

1:04:16the gentleman from the ACLU was very specific

1:04:22to start working on putting fences around what

1:04:31address another thing also, budgets. cuts in

1:04:40on doing? You know, what's the purpose of it? Are

1:04:44it? And who's going to suffer? The residents of

1:04:51that the city pays for that may or may not be in

1:04:58there. Uh last ENC very sensitive subject with

1:05:10least as far as the overall property is concerned.

1:05:16who knows? We'll soon find out. But bottom line,

1:05:25city that perhaps the mayor has and should

1:05:33far. It's going to be an issue that's going to be

1:05:40in mind. You folks are checking a lot of boxes

1:05:46citizens of the city of Quinsey and for growth and

1:05:55you could come up, Mary, and state your address.

1:06:01148 President's Lane. Good evening. I'm so honored

1:06:08Gray. Um, and happy birthday, Counselor Ryan.

1:06:15recognizing National Bully Awareness Month. I'm

1:06:21bullying continues into adulthood. You see the

1:06:28Fever's basketball team pointed out a player on

1:06:34on Caitlyn Clark. The farwell was not against

1:06:39behaved badly and refused to let this person

1:06:46they don't like it when you turn the spotlight on

1:06:52much with people. But it also tells us you should

1:06:59you were the aggressor that started it. And also

1:07:07like a few members here think they can do or say

1:07:13simply because you were elected and not to be held

1:07:21elected. You are not coronated. If you feel you're

1:07:27it's more likely the result of the way you

1:07:32as adults. Your actions have repercussions. Each

1:07:39ran for office. So, your behavior is under more

1:07:45Sophie Cunningham, citizens are simply pointing

1:07:53innocent violent here. I'm the first to admit I

1:07:59each one of you, even Mr. Walker. I throw so much

1:08:09few things I ab absolutely wish I never said, but

1:08:16identity. I'm not one of those cowardly Reddit

1:08:22people and send it through the mail or have a hit

1:08:28they support Mayor Ko. President Mahoney, please

1:08:35and use your gavvel in chambers to stop these

1:08:41gavvel the behavior before it goes off the rails.

1:08:46not always right and they and definitely

1:08:55Gail Callahan. Gail, if you could just say your

1:09:04437 Quarry Street. Happy birthday, Jenny. Uh,

1:09:10Ko and the Quinsey Housing Development Corp.,

1:09:17way to handle ENC. I thought that was wonderful.

1:09:23the over 55 community, which we all know I'm part

1:09:30going to have first home buyers for those homes.

1:09:35to try to work with you to figure out how to get

1:09:40to have. Um I would love it if this chamber could

1:09:47come up to buy the library and the gymnasium.

1:09:52for the city of Quinsey. I don't know if that's

1:09:57work on together. Maybe that would be great. I

1:10:03it's not overly popular. This is a hard decision

1:10:08listened to those people last week. Some of them

1:10:13of thing, but they felt what they felt. I just

1:10:19I really feel that he's put up a lot of borders

1:10:26this community and therefore I have to support

1:10:31protecting me and my family and the people that

1:10:38feel that he has done a lot of work. On the other

1:10:42people. Um, the other thing I say, welcome to the

1:10:48forward to seeing what's created down in Squanam.

1:10:53check it out. So, that will be great. And now

1:10:59the Christmas festivals. I just want to say that

1:11:05you you have to remember this is bringing in a

1:11:09people come back to celebrate having been here.

1:11:14Day game. You have Friday where we have the tree

1:11:20and you have Sunday with the parade. All of these

1:11:26our bars, even our hotels. And this brings

1:11:34into our community. The other thing is I really

1:11:39And it seems this committee likes to go back 10

1:11:45very old. Deal with today. Deal with now. Go

1:11:51capital improvement plan. I think that's a

1:11:55relevant and current and something you could

1:12:04We have Jay Tarantino.

1:12:09Jay is from Ward Five and he's

1:12:14Jay. Um 87 Princess Eve Drive. Um hello. Um I'm

1:12:27the system has not really proven to prevent

1:12:34and we're paying for it and it goes out goes

1:12:44Oh yeah. So basically and a flock has proven to

1:12:52I think in Quinsey we have to put the garbage in

1:13:04We have and I'm going to apologize

1:13:06say this person's name. Mia Cabariera. Mia.

1:13:18Can you just tell us your your address, please? I

1:13:24you're from Quinzy, though. How about ward? What

1:13:32my name is Mia. As a sexual assault survivor,

1:13:38violations such as flock and non-consensual AI is

1:13:46no. No is not just a little bit. No is not with

1:13:55demonstrates the mindset and behavior you claim

1:14:05Maria Mulligan.

1:14:12Good evening. Maria Mulligan, 21 Winthrop

1:14:17idea of how we might continue to recognize

1:14:23Squar Rock Park. And thank you for being

1:14:28we learned the fascinating story about

1:14:34mentioned returning to the ocean

1:14:38Um, I have since visited the park several times

1:14:45and its unique nooks and crannies. It seems to

1:14:52over its over 400 years of history. Uh, not only

1:15:01colonial wetlands. Uh, some history um good, some

1:15:10park, I suggest we consider under undertaking a

1:15:17of this place through the eyes of the tribe to

1:15:23Uh this could be a cathartic exercise to heal both

1:15:30we have left on their land thoughtfully uh through

1:15:37by their wisdom. Um perhaps could be a book or

1:15:46display at the site to fulfill the outdoor

1:15:52funded by CPC funds and we should also look into

1:16:01um Register of Historic Places to amplify its

1:16:10Tyler Anderson. Tyler Anderson.

1:16:23Three minutes. Three minutes.

1:16:30Ward 4, Riudi Drive. Uh, happy

1:16:37I want to start off this meeting by talking about

1:16:50552

1:16:5445 483

1:16:57103 and 145.

1:17:02What do those numbers mean? That is the number of

1:17:14largely you won on promises of bold leadership for

1:17:26at many of these meetings regarding flock safety

1:17:33seen largely a lack of it. I spoke last time about

1:17:46of our democracy, and that didn't seem to sink in

1:17:53Let's try the fundamentals of winning an election.

1:18:04one single demographic every time. voters who

1:18:22Based on those numbers, those are

1:18:29think about the meetings that we've had. Think

1:18:36cameras and how many have spoken for one

1:18:49who are the people speaking against flock cameras?

1:19:03It is Monday night. It's cold. I don't

1:19:11my couch under a blanket, but I'm here.

1:19:21you voted tonight come next election? You are

1:19:38Helen Shiner.

1:19:49Good evening. My name is Helen Shiner. I live

1:19:54I hope to stay within my time. Um, I struggled

1:19:59put out about auditing 501c organizations such

1:20:05the Quinsey Relief Fund, and the Quinsey

1:20:09citizens and organizations have been

1:20:13donated. I'm sure neither of these groups ever

1:20:18With regard to the Quinsey Christmas Festival,

1:20:23state and is a muchloved event throughout the city

1:20:29and towns all over the state. It also brings

1:20:35some statistics. If you took about 10% of

1:20:40which I believe is the audit period you're

1:20:46you're bringing in about $400,000 annually to

1:20:52any reduction in the prominence of us being the

1:20:58and all of our small businesses. The last thing

1:21:04most of you know I live in the Beachwood Null

1:21:09to Mayor Ko for not giving up. In my opinion, the

1:21:16win for our neighborhood cities and residents.

1:21:22had been willing to continue discussions with the

1:21:26to purchase the entire property without causing a

1:21:31work together in the best interest of our city.

1:21:36lived in the city seen it so divided other than a

1:21:41but this is far more serious. So I ask you

1:21:46be coming forward about ENC and seriously open

1:21:56John Fitz Morris.

1:22:06Hi John Fitz Mars 9 Kelvin Road Ward One.

1:22:11uh flock safety. I use safety that term loosely

1:22:19offering a voluntary separation to its staff

1:22:26roughly 270 employees. Why? Because Flock is

1:22:35may be sinking. And then the second one is this

1:22:43Section 1.12 of Flock's terms and conditions

1:22:51not just their core technology or systems but

1:22:58analyses, reports, models or results generated

1:23:06the company claims ownership over virtually

1:23:11data. This means that Quinsey's data, as I

1:23:19is not private and it's not closed. It means

1:23:31Nina West.

1:23:40Hi, good evening. Nina West, 200 Falls Boulevard,

1:23:47Um, here to ask for your support on

1:23:51use of block safety technology and ordinance

1:23:5842 Massachusetts municipalities have already taken

1:24:04should join them. Before I explain why, here where

1:24:12Watertown, NICT, Greenfield, Adel, Sharon,

1:24:20Littleton, Welsley, Stow, Hopington, Grafton, East

1:24:29Southbridge, Graten, Abington, Ay, Dartmouth,

1:24:38Boilston, Wilmington, Nantucket, Lowel,

1:24:45Westwood, Norwell, Rochester, and Milton. These

1:24:52automated license plate reader programs because

1:24:57risks. ALPR vendors are rapidly expanding their

1:25:05facial and gate recognition, and

1:25:10We're already seeing ALPR expansion to MBTA bus

1:25:17We have a choice now to stop this before

1:25:22as the speaker said a couple of weeks ago, privacy

1:25:29more entrenched and normalized mass surveillance

1:25:35perpetually watched. The Flock ALPR system was

1:25:41input. And once terminated, the vendor still has

1:25:47with or sell that data to federal agencies and

1:25:53resolution and ordinance are about protecting

1:25:58can. When you vote for oversight tonight, you're

1:26:05I mean, as I read them, the resolution will

1:26:09will prevent this from happening again before any

1:26:14public gets a voice. You get a vote. Councilors,

1:26:20communities have already chosen. Will Quinsey

1:26:26community that waited too long? I urge you

1:26:38So before we go forward, we're at

1:26:42if anybody will take a motion to

1:26:46and seconded by Council Jacobs. All those

1:26:56Good evening. Sal Balsamo, 27

1:27:02I'd like to take the three minutes that I

1:27:07the meeting, the ENC deal that was struck,

1:27:16I'm looking forward to hearing the details when it

1:27:23I which I don't quite understand is a deal like

1:27:31Why is it that our city council did not discover

1:27:39I I I don't understand that. Doesn't the

1:27:46or unintentional? This undermines our council.

1:27:54council did their due diligence and question the

1:28:01this deal that was applauded by almost everybody

1:28:12and it was a job well done, applauded as a job

1:28:19knowledge on the part of our own council as

1:28:25that any way to run a city there? that we've

1:28:36very knowledgeable individuals up here on

1:28:43their experience to work collaboratively? Maybe

1:28:49deal from the buddy bench. We need something

1:28:58Um, my hope is that with this council and this

1:29:07that occurs here, the anger and the accusations

1:29:24Um, Bill Zamzo Bill. Okay,

1:29:32Bill. I'm being asked that we talk

1:29:34not getting everybody upstairs. It's sort

1:29:38Thank you. Bill Zams46 still in the circle,

1:29:45to again speak to a potential mayoral pay raise

1:29:51there's a ballot question with sufficient

1:29:55$183,000 and what reflects what city rank and

1:30:01since their LA since the last mayoral raise. You

1:30:07minimum see the ballot petition put on the put up

1:30:13posed a counter of a raise to 225,000. However,

1:30:20there's the matter of section 17A of the city

1:30:25raises to be subject to voter approval. Granted,

1:30:3117A. However, straightly read of the applicable

1:30:38has a woeful record when it comes to advising

1:30:43that calling for a vote of no confidence in him

1:30:49the easiest as well as very expensive way to solve

1:30:55for declaratory re relief to rule on the text.

1:31:03comparables, the ballot question trumps doing so

1:31:09to look to comps and such to work up guidelines

1:31:17time, one of you posing to include Cambridge as a

1:31:22a strong city council and city manager model

1:31:27apples to artichokes. Next up, any begularly calls

1:31:34the mayor is the one who is supposed to

1:31:38for the city council's consideration.

1:31:43and then posed one incorrectly such that the

1:31:48any pleading on how the hard the mayor works is

1:31:54concurrent consideration of how the mayor has

1:31:58as well as how his actions have seen the city face

1:32:02in court at considerable cost to local taxpayers,

1:32:09the determination should be set to set a maral

1:32:17around at an amount that reflects the known

1:32:22petition and which at the end of the day we f we

1:32:30time congratulate the council for already cutting

1:32:37by law to a figure comparable to peer communities.

1:32:46Mark Ko.

1:32:52Hi, my name is Mark Ko. I live at 115 Colby Road.

1:32:58who's a former city counselor. I also wanted

1:33:03and she was usually around when I came home from

1:33:07worked up and did her best to prepare dinner for

1:33:13a million questions. We should be careful how

1:33:19surveillance of citizens. This evil AI company

1:33:26move. This is also about changing the way politics

1:33:34away from prying eyes has led to mess after mess.

1:33:42storage all funded by the taxpayers's dime. We

1:33:48spent on outside counsel. That's fancy private

1:33:56on a petition objecting to politicians voting

1:34:05have a city council that regularly seems to find

1:34:11doors discussions and decisions seem to have been

1:34:19toolbox of the Quinsey Police Department. This is

1:34:25cameras went up in the first place. uh naming ALPR

1:34:33of citizens and banning them immediately. Get the

1:34:41said that 50 flock cameras do not amount to

1:34:47the news today on Fox 25 saying the same thing. I

1:34:54and disingenuine and quite frankly discredits the

1:35:00living in a city where police officers do not have

1:35:07want 50 cameras, a tool in their toolbox pointed

1:35:15other Massachusetts communities have banned

1:35:21Boston, Massachusetts State Police all have bodywn

1:35:29with a little bit left in my time. I want to thank

1:35:34the council for letting us speak, which didn't

1:35:38I want to thank everybody who sat through the

1:35:42before that and all the work that the counselors

1:35:48closed doors. This shouldn't be reactionary.

1:36:02Next up, we have Maxwell Capron.

1:36:15Hello. Uh, my name is Maxfield Capron. Um I am of

1:36:22first of all happy birthday. Um I just wanted

1:36:28me to be guest speaker last hearing. Uh further

1:36:32of you in the last week and I hope to keep that

1:36:37tonight to talk about how hard it has been to get

1:36:41our city including Flock, other AOPRs and related

1:36:47others have spent a lot of time reviewing what

1:36:51as the spring. I'm here to share with with you

1:36:57we can't say with with confidence how many

1:37:01how much the city has actually paid for the

1:37:05regard to the Metro Boston Department of Homeland

1:37:11are only a couple examples of the things emitted

1:37:18uh and was fulfilled on April 22nd uh counted 62

1:37:27reported. Number two, bus patrol cameras are

1:37:34While these cameras activate with while one

1:37:38seven others constantly record with AI enabled

1:37:44operate. And in October 1st, we requested records

1:37:49grants uh which pay for a portion of the flock

1:37:54and when they're uh where they went. And the part

1:37:59the rest of the request and has been appealed. Um,

1:38:06vendor, Vigilant Solutions, now a part of Mo uh, a

1:38:13Newport A, and Washington Street. That

1:38:17which asked for flock and any other applicable

1:38:20may be more. We do not know who operates these. I

1:38:26from the complexity of these system come from

1:38:31procurement was handled across departments and

1:38:36the result is the same. If residents spending this

1:38:42a body cannot trust that continuing our system

1:38:47we haven't seen any evidence that Flock works

1:38:52be trusted. So my request is this. However the

1:38:58rather than reactive. And when concerns are

1:39:03we build trust. And so far I cannot trust that

1:39:09contract and put a pause to collection until

1:39:17Zachary Christopher.

1:39:28Zachary's got a new hair color. Hi, Zachary

1:39:35you Huby and all of the other wonderful uh

1:39:42Um, so there's a lot on the docket tonight from

1:39:52everybody's spoken wonderfully. Um, um, I want

1:40:02I've been doing way too much for my own good.

1:40:12would like to speak on um the structure of the

1:40:24So a lot of people I feel have been getting very

1:40:30on and that is why is everything happening so

1:40:41heck is going on? Why is the mayor able to make

1:40:49execute the decisions, and then let everybody know

1:40:57is bigger than the man who sits in the seat. As

1:41:05the mayor. A seat that affords one man the power

1:41:16that should ever be afforded to any one man, much

1:41:24the people. He's gotten into controversy after

1:41:33sitting here being like, "Hey, do you think you

1:41:42that is reactionary. It doesn't matter how

1:41:53Abolish the mayor, the seat of the mayor

1:42:02The mayor's job is to do things quickly,

1:42:17how democracy is supposed to work. It democracy

1:42:27people. The mayor, the very seat is the rot

1:42:39Next up is Chuck Tryion.

1:42:49Hi, my name is Chuck Tryion. I'm a resident of

1:42:56as a proud resident of Quinsey to speak against

1:43:03years ago because of the city's hospitality,

1:43:09place to raise my granddaughter. I've worked in

1:43:14I volunteered as a soccer coach, and I've done

1:43:19But one thing about Quinsey makes me feel less

1:43:25over our city. Quinsey has a has according to many

1:43:32on a daily basis. A camera likely captures my

1:43:39as I drive my granddaughter to volleyball. Cameras

1:43:45to the grocery store. This information is

1:43:50held right now for 30 days. I know there's a

1:43:56it's a privacy violation. Um, and it in fact may

1:44:02versus McCarthy, a state supreme court case that

1:44:08that create a mosaic of a person's life invade

1:44:15We know this data is frequently misused.

1:44:20been fired or suspended for accessing flock data

1:44:26Brainree, I think the guys checked flock data

1:44:32by law enforcement in Texas to track and arrest

1:44:37healthcare, potentially putting Quinsey at risk

1:44:43protections are not trivial. They matter a great

1:44:48protected rights. And Massachusetts attention

1:44:54from North Carolina, where many of the rights

1:45:00well protected. Um there's also no strong evidence

1:45:06cherrypicked anecdotes, but no real data showing

1:45:11crime. We all want to live in a safe community,

1:45:16rights to privacy. Flock cameras do very little,

1:45:21endanger many vulnerable people in our communities

1:45:26healthcare. We know that many other municipalities

1:45:31flock contracts or banned ALPRs. I want Quinsey

1:45:39as a useful first step, I'd like to invite the

1:45:44by UN and Ryan. Um, at a minimum, we need greater

1:45:50used. But what we really need is not to be subject

1:45:58Thank you,

1:46:02Paula.

1:46:05Paulo Carrera

1:46:19Paulo Korea, 49 Home Street. Good evening,

1:46:27are old enough, but perhaps there are some

1:46:33You know, there might be a few Polaroids or

1:46:40everyone to see, but people today grew up in a

1:46:48digital files have a funny way of getting

1:46:55our police chief and police force are about

1:47:03uh collected andor destroyed after a certain

1:47:14billionaire tech guys out there who are just

1:47:21with no regard for our fourth amendment

1:47:28all a all apr systems are truly unconstitutional

1:47:38rights. And the last time I spoke here, I

1:47:44again. Those who will give up a little liberty

1:47:56go home and finish grading AP papers. Ma, you

1:48:03complex decisions and hold lots of ideas in their

1:48:10but I will definitely be keeping an eye on how you

1:48:19Elen Elen Nelson Elen Nelson Elen

1:48:32and after we have Darlene Jones just to know who's

1:48:40live at 28 Village Drive in Quinsey. Uh, thank

1:48:46do your due diligence and make positive change in

1:48:53urge you to vote yes on 2026-142 ordinance

1:49:02and resolution 2026-143 resolution to

1:49:12Uh, this mass surveillance technology hurts all

1:49:18like our children. I want my daughter to grow

1:49:23step is recorded and used by corporations like

1:49:30this ordinance and resolution are are great

1:49:36ordinary citizens going about our lives. and city

1:49:42us all from this intrusive AI technology and vote

1:49:53Darlene Johnson.

1:50:04Hello. Good evening, city council. Um, thank you

1:50:11I am a Quinsey resident, a mother, a educator,

1:50:17grandparents lived in Massachusetts for over 97

1:50:23involving Quinsey public schools that has created

1:50:31After raising concerns regarding my daughter's

1:50:36I was issued a no trespass order prohibiting

1:50:43schools properties. I am not even able to attend a

1:50:50this has happened to me. What concerns me the

1:50:56In September, I was approached by four police

1:51:02onto school property who presented me with a no

1:51:09and I was never given an opportunity to explain

1:51:15made. As a parent, this was an extremely upsetting

1:51:23pick up my daughter from her after school program

1:51:29committee. Since then, I have made repeated

1:51:34office and seek a reasonable resolution, but

1:51:41never experienced this type of situation before

1:51:48believe schools and families should work together

1:51:54and create a welcoming environment for

1:51:58I have experienced barriers to communication and

1:52:05daughter and I are a part of. I am not here to

1:52:14communication, and an opportunity to be heard.

1:52:21council would be willing to help facilitate

1:52:26concerns can be heard. The no tres the no

1:52:32work toward a reasonable resolution. I believe

1:52:38dialogue and mutual understanding. My goal

1:52:44continue being an involved, supportive parent

1:52:49and consideration and your service to the

1:52:59Dominic A. That's the name I have. Dominic A.

1:53:10if you could provide your address. Uh, yes.

1:53:16I believe. Good evening, council, ladies and

1:53:20I'd like to start off by saying, uh, this is

1:53:26I have a round of destiny. We'll preserve this

1:53:32on earth. or will sentence them to take the last

1:53:37freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This

1:53:42from the Supreme Court set the standard unchecked

1:53:48of the Massachusetts Declaration of Rights. That's

1:53:54you guys didn't know. Okay. Um so with that, I'm

1:53:59to say over here. Fourth doctrine, amendment

1:54:06doctrine. The court constitutional argument

1:54:10amendment uh protection against unreasonable

1:54:17of due process and due prosperity. I can go into

1:54:23Uh Commonwealth versus McCarthy, one of my

1:54:27that. Commonwealth first Perry 489 Mass 7 uh 275

1:54:34solidified privacy protections by holding that

1:54:39privacy and aggregated of their public movements.

1:54:45unconstitutional without judicial administration

1:54:52Massachusetts versus uh ACLU of Massachusetts

1:54:58superior court judge ruled directly against law

1:55:05the ALRP tracking system. The judge ordered the

1:55:11locations and detailed audit logs, which they

1:55:18United States verse Kyle. Okay. So, the federal

1:55:24courts. I'm not a law I'm not a lawyer yet, but I

1:55:30in this state. And the federal judges uh they they

1:55:37mass surveillance that bypass the fourth amendment

1:55:42America to argue against Brock. Carpenter held

1:55:48historical location data via third party violates

1:55:53a comprehensive chronic chronicle of their

1:55:58but it's also the axion. Why do we have flock

1:56:06me they're trying to hide something. They're

1:56:09to track our movements of innocent citizens, but

1:56:16that can be used in a trial. Thank you, ladies

1:56:24And our last speaker this evening will be Ivon Yu.

1:56:32Hi, good evening everyone. Uh my name is Ivonne

1:56:40I wanted to come up today and really urge our

1:56:51intrusive surveillance technology and also

1:56:58flock cameras and also propose another resolution

1:57:05such as um, Axon that is being used on the bus um

1:57:14and as you all have heard from our residents

1:57:23big tech corporations. Um, and I would also like

1:57:31has time and time again proven that if people

1:57:39they will take it until people raise their

1:57:45remember in Lowel, Massachusetts, when the

1:57:53the milling industry, and they were worked to

1:57:59and they were actually the reasons why we even

1:58:06died from being trapped in a fire from their

1:58:13technology? This is related to surveillance

1:58:20a pattern of how people will take advantage

1:58:34want to also say that this is connected because in

1:58:44it. I was born in a time where we didn't have the

1:58:55might seem young but I do remember I do remember

1:59:03they always taught us to protect our information

1:59:11information against us. So, I don't understand

1:59:19"No, we should give all of our information

1:59:25what they're doing with." Alex, sorry. Excuse

1:59:36She Thank you. We're not going

1:59:41it's the open forums closed, but thank

1:59:50All right. So, we're moving on now to um

1:59:58welcoming the number two, welcoming the

2:00:01turn this over to Councelor Riley. Thank you,

2:00:05guests for your patience. Um, as you can see,

2:00:10to let everyone be heard. So, I I really thank

2:00:14we have with us tribal leaders and others from

2:00:19tonight to share with us the history of

2:00:22now known as Quinsey, their present- day efforts

2:00:28and their vision and hope for the new cultural

2:00:33Squantum. I want to welcome you home. Allow me to

2:00:39is a tribal elder. She is the treasurer and board

2:00:44Council. She is also retired from the Harvard

2:00:49of admissions. Ferris Gray is the Sagamore, a war

2:00:56the director as a director of the tribal council

2:01:01him speak a couple of times recently and I find

2:01:07his tribal ancestors to be very moving. I look

2:01:12the council and the public here tonight. And David

2:01:18over 20 years. He is an internationally recognized

2:01:24please join me in extending a heartfelt welcome

2:01:29historic first, and to tell us what we can do to

2:01:35long history with this region. Mr. Lambert, I

2:01:47Good evening, Madame President,

2:01:52and to council member Ryan, happy birthday.

2:01:57I am not a resident of Quinsey. I'm a resident

2:02:02many years. I for 35 year 33 years worked as the

2:02:10of New England Historic Geneological Society

2:02:15my story and I've had the honor to be the tribal

2:02:20for over a quarter century now. I am fortunate

2:02:27historian, the late Hobart Holly for many years

2:02:33he'd be with me today. It's an honor to address

2:02:38my own ancestors of the 17th century. My ninth

2:02:44Brainry, Reverend William Thompson. His mortal

2:02:49oldest gravestone dated to 1666. My eighth

2:02:56was one of the first town clerks in the

2:03:01not really move very far. This evening, I do not

2:03:07the descendants of the first families of what

2:03:13originally lived at Massachusetts Hummuck Squantum

2:03:19Manate rivers. They lived in places where many

2:03:26erased by people like my own ancestors and early

2:03:32some of their ancestral remains were discovered

2:03:37particularly at the construction at the

2:03:41arrowheads were found some years ago in uh a

2:03:48of the contact with the Europeans,

2:03:55mother and many of his people to the great plague

2:04:02his people survived and endured, including the

2:04:08and the slaying of his own warers by Plymouth

2:04:15Cher Tabet would perish due to smallpox in 1633.

2:04:22Wampatuk deeded all of what is now Quinsey then

2:04:30is recorded in Dr. William Patty's history of old

2:04:36copy was well preserved with the words inscribed

2:04:42document, but in a greater sense, it refers to

2:04:48the heritage. This is no longer 1665, but in

2:04:54Brancher has grown quite a bit. The original

2:04:59a passage of it. to all Indian people to whom his

2:05:06of the Massachusett deceased sendeth greetings.

2:05:14his wise men squammeg his brother Daniel old ohin

2:05:24the above watuk sagamore for diverse and valuable

2:05:30in consideration of 2110 shillings in hand paid

2:05:38William Neen and William Sable, Henry Neil Richard

2:05:47that equals to 2110 shillings about 4,200 today

2:05:58John Elliot a friend of my own ancestor Reverend

2:06:04were relocated to what is now Ponapog plantation

2:06:10And think of this like a modern-day Indian

2:06:18were taught English and not allowed to speak

2:06:24not allowed to pray to their God, but converted

2:06:29John Elliot and others. Their hunting and fishing

2:06:35now to be farmers, not hunters. In the 1720s, a

2:06:41the Massachusett. This one self-governing people

2:06:47the governor in his council. Deeds of land once

2:06:54were now forced to be sold to their English

2:07:00yet endured. In 1859 to 1860, John Milton Earl,

2:07:06the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, conducted

2:07:11the Commonwealth, publishing a census in the

2:07:17were included Daniel Crowd of Canton, born in the

2:07:25Canton, Massachusetts. Daniel's lineage traces

2:07:31his own great-grandfather Samuel Moho. The Moho

2:07:3817th and 18th century and are mentioned on many

2:07:44council of Chikatabet their warchief was part

2:07:49of this community and elsewhere in the Boston

2:07:55son Alfred who served in the Civil War, now his

2:08:01still live in Stoton. Through Daniel's youngest

2:08:08many descendants live in Massachusetts and abroad.

2:08:15The Massachusetts Ponapagura people, a family

2:08:21American domination, disease and hostilities

2:08:28How fortunate we are in Massachusetts to have

2:08:34forward and learn to grow with a better

2:08:39a combined outlook for the future. Together with

2:08:45people of this area, we can learn in Stoton. Last

2:08:52at Gleno remembering acknowledging the

2:08:58our first community, and may their story not

2:09:03be the first member of my family to address

2:09:09And to this I also want to say I offer my support

2:09:18something my ancestors did do not and to work

2:09:37Good evening. Um, thank you to the

2:09:42name's Elizabeth Solomon. I'm an elder

2:09:5010,000 years ago, Boston Harbor was dry land with

2:10:026,000 years ago. The ocean waters began to rise

2:10:13years ago. The rising waters had formed what we

2:10:20today. And we were here. 400 years ago, English

2:10:30here. Today this place is a major urban area

2:10:43remember what is now dry land when it was water

2:10:50dry land. We also remember those who came before

2:10:59music, practiced our beliefs, shared both food and

2:11:08Here is where we raised our children and honored

2:11:16with people who came from across oceans. These

2:11:22new ideas, new challenges. Here is where some of

2:11:30of our people, leaving those of us who were left

2:11:38maintained, and continued to make our lives. Here

2:11:46this continent. Here is where our relationships

2:11:52and built again. Some of these relationships were

2:12:01conflict, sadness, and loss. Here is where we

2:12:08to advocate for our people. And here is where the

2:12:15us. Here is where those who came to live among

2:12:24as commodities to be bought and sold. Here

2:12:32our commitment to our own values and beliefs about

2:12:40Here is where we made alliances, intermarried and

2:12:46communities and with those from other cultures.

2:12:54is where we laugh, cry, love, make music, practice

2:13:02make both useful and sacred things. Here is where

2:13:10And here is where we prepare

2:13:18So again, thank you for having us. Um,

2:13:26I think I can speak for the

2:13:30that we are thrilled to be here

2:13:51We have, as evidenced in terms of talking about

2:14:01we have an incredibly strong relationship with

2:14:11seasonally. So in the summers we would be by

2:14:19which I'm suspect Ferris might talk about. Um, and

2:14:34We were both an ocean and an inland people. But

2:14:44as I'm sure everybody knows, who went to

2:14:50but the major colonization has h happened starting

2:14:58Um, as I said, we move seasonally. Um, but

2:15:11of Massachusetts, from the Northshore down

2:15:22This cut us off from our seasonal migration

2:15:33One of the things that did happen as um Dave

2:15:40from this area and moved to our winter home which

2:15:48we're neither allowed or able to practice our

2:15:57into colonial society. We and other praying

2:16:09As I said, we're very excited

2:16:16Our traditional belief systems are around

2:16:25We see ourselves as part of a bigger whole. We are

2:16:34bigger hole. Neither are we the least important.

2:16:43Some people talk about this as um the

2:16:51many spoons. That we are just one part

2:17:02people and living things and systems

2:17:12And we see you as part of that common pot.

2:17:19And we're excited to build

2:17:26and responsibility with you. Thank you.

2:17:40Hello everyone. Hello everyone. Um, and thank

2:17:47I am the sagamore of the wararchief of

2:17:52thank you Dave. Um, and thank

2:17:57I can talk a lot and kind of got to pull myself

2:18:05Um, so let's see what time is it? I got 10

2:18:14we're the Massachusetts tribe. And how wonderful

2:18:21I'm from the Massachusetts tribe. Um, it's like

2:18:26was. And then to find out that it was named

2:18:32such an impact on me. but then to find out that

2:18:38really long journey for us. Um just to have people

2:18:48want to admit, you know, we started relationship

2:18:54that relationship grew, I got to meet people from

2:18:59met anybody from Quinsey that wasn't awesome. And

2:19:04respectful to us, um, and welcoming to us. And

2:19:12because I go into a lot of different communities

2:19:16but then you meet people that just want you to

2:19:21have no empathy. I haven't experienced that here

2:19:30so Quincy, as Elizabeth was saying, has a special

2:19:37and more people in Quincy, it's like I see why

2:19:44as the city of presidents. I see even before

2:19:50leadership. And there's something in the ground

2:19:59so we're so honored to be welcomed back to this

2:20:06to figure it out. I'm somebody that has to figure

2:20:09it that is different about Quincy. Like even, you

2:20:19I know there's a lot of disagreement here, but for

2:20:25they still treat us with respect. And that's

2:20:32to get to know people here. Um, so, you know, I

2:20:40have a lot of time. So, um, I just want to share

2:20:46this place, having been removed so long ago and

2:20:55come this way. Forbidden. We would have been

2:21:01We had to stay on the opposite side of the Blue

2:21:08this place in the ocean, I can't really put into

2:21:16of our elders passed away without experiencing.

2:21:23And we're teaching our youth how special it is

2:21:28generations that wanted to return that couldn't,

2:21:36that we live in is so special because I feel like

2:21:42colonists like they were in the past because it's

2:21:50these really important human feelings and it's not

2:21:57my mother was younger. It's different now. We have

2:22:04really important not just for us but for you also.

2:22:16it's really military-like. When I go up in into

2:22:21boxy and not really indigenous, but it's

2:22:32we had no home anywhere. And so, it's a place

2:22:39have no place for our people to be. And this is

2:22:47where we can explore the harbor again. And that's

2:22:56have machines. If you don't know what a mache is,

2:23:03sound like it's not cool, but it's really cool.

2:23:09one of these out. We have machines that have

2:23:17we do now. And so you'll see us on the harbor.

2:23:24you know, I mean, maybe we have to talk with

2:23:28machines because we have to share our knowledge.

2:23:34the colonists and they didn't want to hear it.

2:23:44don't want anyone in this room to feel like you're

2:23:54to remind people of that they might forget.

2:24:02no matter where your ancestry lies, at one time

2:24:13They honored the land. They walked with

2:24:18they were thankful for it. They can feel

2:24:25so deeply connected. And somewhere along

2:24:31too. And so, I always like to remind

2:24:37We might be different colors, have

2:24:45This one commonality we have is we all

2:24:53So, I like to remind people of that because it's

2:25:00sometime in the future, if you don't know your

2:25:06really important knowledge, that's knowledge

2:25:15And so if you don't know what your indigenous

2:25:21do the research. That is an awesome journey.

2:25:26it's awesome journey because their

2:25:34And so we're not too different. And I have to

2:25:42to make everyone different. We're different from

2:25:47into this way of thinking and we need to fix

2:25:56it's our way of being together, but it's also our

2:26:02for us. It's like our responsibility, especially

2:26:13And so, you know, we're not there yet.

2:26:17um I've been talking to Deborah, she wants us in

2:26:23wants to be in this community center more than

2:26:31to welcome people. We want to welcome our people.

2:26:37the experiences we have in this journey that

2:26:43been separated and we've been kind of told that

2:26:49get rid of that way of thinking. And you know, we

2:26:57I'm sitting here listening to all this stuff. I'm

2:27:02to learn, too. But we're honored to be on this

2:27:08um to everybody for being so welcoming and

2:27:14towards us. I mean, from the bottom of our hearts,

2:27:19of Quincy and the character of its people. Um,

2:27:25I want to thank you for not only me and us to

2:27:31that they all could be here. And so thank you

2:27:47Bring it back to councelor Riley.

2:27:51I know it's late, President Mahoney, but I was

2:27:55questions that we would give them the opportunity

2:27:59people that um the massachtribe.org is the website

2:28:05history, some pictures, some things like that. So,

2:28:10if it's possible to indulge in just a couple

2:28:16open it up to questions. Does anybody

2:28:24Okay. All right. We will have you back then.

2:28:32Moving on to item number I guess it's just

2:28:40Quincsey Housing Authority Board mayor at

2:28:49through you, Madam President. Uh the body

2:28:56to the Quincsey Housing Authority Board.

2:28:59package tonight and I believe Mr. Baker is here

2:29:10Counc. Thank you, Madame President. And

2:29:21you in person today. I was impressed by your

2:29:28for reappointment. Back in February, the

2:29:35confirm your reappoint without providing a

2:29:43The council declined to do so because without

2:29:49no different from rubber stamping. This time

2:29:56background and experience and now we have the

2:30:03meet you in person. I really appreciate

2:30:09So, first uh how long have you served on the

2:30:15terms have you served? I understand that each

2:30:21and a half years approximately. I was nominated or

2:30:28the seats were vacated. Okay. And the second

2:30:36experience on the board, could you briefly explain

2:30:42properties the Quincy housing authority currently

2:30:50currently the housing authority we have, 1557

2:31:01two, three, fourbedroom units and 200 of our own

2:31:10including families, elderly, disabled section

2:31:16a manage a safe quality affordable housing while

2:31:23agencies and regulations. Okay, thank you. The

2:31:31also has a nonprofit corporation called the

2:31:37So when was this corporation established

2:31:43manage and what's the funding sources? This was

2:31:53own four properties. We own Riverview,

2:32:02Four properties. And uh this corporation, correct?

2:32:11past Saturday that Quincy Housing Authority

2:32:18with ENC to purchase the ENC campus. As a board

2:32:25Could you clarify its current status? Has the

2:32:34I have some understanding of this situation, but

2:32:39directly from a board member about where things

2:32:46you that. But with it being a a private nonprofit

2:32:54roll up our sleeves. We have to dot all our eyes,

2:33:02Quinsey Housing Authority and I'm not at liberty

2:33:08I'm just asking the general information. And

2:33:15Housing Authority Board, what areas do you think

2:33:22even better job serving its residents and the

2:33:28I'm never shy to try and help out. The programs

2:33:36always hunting down grants and more money to

2:33:44the residents of Quinsey. So, we're always chasing

2:33:55Councelor Jacobs. Thanks. Hi, Mr. Baker. How are

2:34:03this back in um, was it in February? I really

2:34:09it was really great to have it. Would have

2:34:15in February. Just kind of thinking about the

2:34:22of the board. Um, how would you feel about, you

2:34:28um, resident council member. How would you feel

2:34:35like a secondary like just someone who live is

2:34:40state guidelines. Yeah. And they're the ones that

2:34:50of the concerns that you know I I have is um is it

2:34:59Harbor there. A lot of the the family uh folks

2:35:05kind of under reppresented on the board. That's

2:35:12want to ask you about is is parking. You know, and

2:35:18things I hear a lot about from constituents down

2:35:23restrictions and the people who live down there

2:35:33um I don't want to say the program or the the

2:35:40and whatnot is a little restrictive. And so I'm

2:35:47you know, maybe you can bring that back

2:35:50that can be looked at. I I see it online all

2:35:56tow trucks and and these are already some of

2:36:02you know, they're they're getting their cars towed

2:36:07just wonder sometimes if um maybe the board could

2:36:15um system where it's you know it's not like your

2:36:20there's a warning, there's a written ticket and

2:36:27um you know kind of thing where where something

2:36:32like to speak with the housing board about. Um I

2:36:40basically no overnight resident parking on every

2:36:46like quartex all of those streets. Um so that is

2:36:52of those restrictions lifted. Uh because it it's

2:36:57who live there. I understand what what housing

2:37:02out for the residents who live there. So, again,

2:37:07continue. Um, you know, you can bring this back

2:37:12TPAL and and try to, you know, make this a better

2:37:17that's part of being part of the community is TPAL

2:37:22the relationships with everybody. Excellent. Thank

2:37:27to approve and a second in the roll call vote. So,

2:37:34approve his appointment, Mr. Baker's appointment,

2:37:40starts back, was it February 1st. Excellent.

2:37:45second by Council UN, and then we'll need a

2:37:51yes. Council Hubley, Council Jacobs, Council McKe.

2:38:00Council Ryan, yes. Council UN. President Mahoney,

2:38:06Thanks for answering the questions, too. Don't

2:38:13So, moving on to number four. 2026

2:38:23for solar energy implementation on the general

2:38:30Mr. Hunt. Thank you. Good afternoon, C. Excuse

2:38:34Council Ryan. I I can't wait. Nobody has started

2:38:39at the end. That's going to be at the end. So, I

2:38:45arrays on the two new parking garages as part

2:38:51had the information some time now. I would like

2:38:57parking garage of the public safety complex

2:39:03and the better news, if you look at the

2:39:05maximum PPA rate stated in them, but by the time

2:39:13the PPA rate can actually be lower than that worst

2:39:18we got and settled settled in on on the parking

2:39:24headquarters is 07 cents, less than half of what

2:39:32it's just an amazing result. The Commonwealth

2:39:36up their games with the incentives, and it's it's

2:39:40same benefits with these two deals for the uh the

2:39:47we need a passage tonight. So, we need a motion

2:39:51motion and the second, we can ask some questions.

2:39:59Did you make a motion? Okay. Yes. Motion to

2:40:09and lease for solar energy implementation on

2:40:14Council Ash. We have a second by councelor

2:40:19any questions? Council Yuan. President. Hi uh

2:40:27solicitor or another qualified attorney reviewed

2:40:34Yes. Okay. Has anyone independently reviewed the

2:40:40they have. We've got consultants that do both

2:40:45company. Okay. I have a question. Uh the solar

2:40:53other equipment equipment installed above the top

2:41:00engineer reviewed the garage capacity to support

2:41:08uh in early in the design process because we

2:41:16and the engineering for the solar canopy met

2:41:22that the garage would be structurally sound

2:41:27concerns to allow it to support the canopy owned

2:41:35and operation damages the garage roof structure

2:41:44roof. So it will not be waterproof. So the the

2:41:49still get rained and snowed on. Uh but if the

2:41:56contract with is responsible for maintaining,

2:42:02uh including the lighting that's under the canopy

2:42:07That's the company responsible for Yes. Okay. And

2:42:17remove only the solar panels and the electrical

2:42:24structure that support them? The way it's written,

2:42:29at that time uh in the mayor's office can make

2:42:35steel. I'm sure it will be structurally sound. If

2:42:41savings and the green the green benefits, they're

2:42:47written in the alternative at the election of

2:42:52Yeah, you answered my next question because I was

2:42:59solar system, what would it be cost to purchase

2:43:06the end of the 25 years. It would be deeded over

2:43:11It would be conveyed to the city uh that they

2:43:17more current technology or if the existing ones

2:43:22a positive effect then they can keep those same

2:43:28for as long as they should choose to do so. So in

2:43:35been removed. Yes, it would it would not make

2:43:42what financial protection does the city have if if

2:43:50defaults or the equipment needs major repairs?

2:43:56contract. So at the end of end of its term um and

2:44:03insurance company, AA type thing. uh running to

2:44:09financial institution would be obligated to pay

2:44:14it down. Should we have to self-help do that?

2:44:23And what's the city's total expected cost and the

2:44:31excluded and potential additional costs? Okay. So,

2:44:39it up for operation, the city pays nothing. Select

2:44:45pay for the electricity that the systems generate.

2:44:51other generation rates that we have available to

2:44:57deals on paper today are not nearly as lucrative

2:45:04um these two ones right now, the taller of the

2:45:09the electric that's generated. And for the shorter

2:45:16But again, that's the worst case scenario today.

2:45:22charge, there's no tariffs, there's none of the

2:45:28bill through the roof. Um so 16 cents is 16

2:45:35the demand charges, the solar fee, this, the green

2:45:41add 9 to 10 cents per kilowatt hour. We're

2:45:47the 16 cents is 16 cents or whatever lower number

2:45:53year term. The electric generation you're getting

2:45:58down the road, you know, is going to go up. you're

2:46:03are locked in. Okay. Thank you. That's all

2:46:13The question. We're going to go to the votes. We

2:46:17Riley. If we could take a roll call vote. Council

2:46:22Yes. Council Jacobs. Yes. Council McKe. Yes.

2:46:29yes. President Mahoney. Yes. Nine members. Thank

2:46:382026123 in order discussion of fair datadriven

2:46:47you. So I guess technically we should probably

2:46:52committee. Um okay. Um so now um basically the

2:47:02just so that we can share what we've done so far

2:47:10with open meeting law. So um what uh what I'd like

2:47:20regular council meeting I think is November

2:47:26running um because I know that some of us have

2:47:32yet. So, we can continue to put that in, but this

2:47:39and with the public. Um, I believe the I haven't

2:47:48from the council clerk, I I will try to upload the

2:47:55my next newsletter. So anyway, so we'll keep this

2:48:02um through November 9th. But thank you. So

2:48:11You're also right, Council King. Okay, moving on.

2:48:18of Quinsey's Quinsey Festival Committee, Quinsey

2:48:24Cup finances and oversight review. Council Riley,

2:48:31I introduced this as a result of well, a couple of

2:48:36already been somewhat aware of when I was running

2:48:43um what was being referred to as the Quinsey

2:48:48fund during COVID. Um that seemed to be unclear

2:48:55or was it a charity. So I've I've introduced this

2:49:00that there was um money transferred to from the

2:49:07organization or uh nonprofit I guess. And we also

2:49:15um the it seems the mayor's cup uh golf tournament

2:49:22um can't remember which date the the celebrations

2:49:29year 2026 and in fiscal year 2025 it was $100,000

2:49:37budget to this private um nonprofit entity. Um

2:49:46according to the 2020 2002 amended and restated

2:49:53could have a charitable golf tournament there

2:49:59were received into the city and dispersements were

2:50:05not been accounted for. So, this order is asking

2:50:10of these different nonprofits. Are they one thing?

2:50:15the the CO 19 pandemic before the ARPA money

2:50:21um, there was an announcement made that the

2:50:27we never received any accounting of where

2:50:31as I campaigned on, was transparency and

2:50:36and we're looking for the, um, for the

2:50:41or these nonprofits, whoever wants to come before

2:50:48called the Quinsey Foundation, the Quinsey Relief

2:50:53there's been no accountability or for the

2:50:58um contributions were declared taxdeductible,

2:51:04whether those deductions would be taxdeductible.

2:51:10listened to some of the open forum comments, um,

2:51:17to the nonprofit, the form 990 for the Quinsey

2:51:28um, received 56,500. That's how much money they

2:51:36which is the most recent filing that's online,

2:51:42parade for however many years. Um, and there's no

2:51:48to do so, but we need to know where that money

2:51:52that the nonprofit has consistently had addresses,

2:51:58municipal Quinsey Municipal Properties. So, this

2:52:04Um Helen Murphy was the treasurer at one time with

2:52:10most recent one I have is one Mry Mount Parkway.

2:52:16we can talk more about this. We'll move it into

2:52:21but I think it's important to note that when you

2:52:26had provided them um up until the time that it

2:52:32finance. One of the biggest things it went to was

2:52:37assistance, getting their oil tanks filled. It's

2:52:42you know, done very quietly and very respectfully

2:52:48in the news now that it's probably going to cost

2:52:54we need to take a look at what we're using this

2:52:59need need more charity. So, I'm going to make a

2:53:04to um finance and oversight committee, and

2:53:09we have motion by council Riley, second by council

2:53:16call vote for that. Council Ash, yes. Council

2:53:22yes. Council McKe, yes. Council Riley, yes.

2:53:29Mahoney. Yes. Nine members. Next is number 7 2026

2:53:40Eastern Nazarene College GNC. Council McKe. Okay.

2:53:49bit about um what happened um over the weekend uh

2:53:57anyone who doesn't know. So, um the top line is

2:54:04Authority, which runs the city's affordable

2:54:08campus. The housing authorities director said the

2:54:14for the property and that invol and that involved

2:54:20or how the city would be involved in the process

2:54:26could be tapped towards the plan according to the

2:54:32which is a pot of money that developers can pay

2:54:37our local ordinance requires them to do one of the

2:54:43affordable housing. And we heard on Saturday

2:54:49of affordable house senior housing by renovating

2:54:56apply for the funding at the Affordable Housing

2:55:02source of city money comes from the Community

2:55:08that allows communities that opt into it to

2:55:14charges 1% and then use that money along with some

2:55:21for community projects. These must fall into

2:55:27open space, affordable housing, and recreation.

2:55:34funding to buy and preserve some open space on the

2:55:40the arboritum, which is made up of more than a

2:55:44main campus and the athletic field. Beyond that,

2:55:51to have on the campus, though the mayor talked

2:55:56that would meet with him and the director of

2:56:01bringing this order forward is to hold committee

2:56:05Quinsey Housing Authority. its associated

2:56:11and what role the administration plans for the

2:56:16campus. So with that, I move to send this order

2:56:23for further discussion. Okay, a motion to move it

2:56:28Finance seconded by councelor O'Brien on a motion.

2:56:35yes. Council Debana, yes. Council Hubley, yes.

2:56:42Riley, yes. Council Ryan, yes. Council UN, yes.

2:56:48on to item number eight. Ordinance regulating

2:57:03Thank you, Madame President. So this

2:57:08privacy and liberty from intrusive surveillance

2:57:18Americans are proud free citizens. They can go

2:57:27We counelors have received many emails from

2:57:33privacy and constitutional right being invaded

2:57:43this is the first time they have ever spoken

2:57:49they simply cannot silently stand by and watch.

2:57:59Quincy has one of the largest flock networks in

2:58:07Asian community about a flock, they couldn't

2:58:14in the United States. Why? Because we immigrants

2:58:26This is this is a nonpartisan issue. This

2:58:35Americans know allow mass surveillance on their

2:58:44condemn condemn other nations for violating

2:58:52So please cherish the freedom and the liberty you

2:59:03I shared a little of my experience in the

2:59:08meetings. Now I'm really interested to hear how

2:59:16free land and who learned about freedom and

2:59:23view will this invasive surveillance technology

2:59:31Um, yeah. So, I I know because this is an

2:59:38the at the same meeting when it's first

2:59:44the committee to further discuss. So, I make a

2:59:54ordinance committee. Okay. So, we have a motion

3:00:00we have a second by councelor Ryan. And on

3:00:06we're going to move the vote. Okay. So, can we

3:00:11Council Hubley, yes. Council Jacobs, yes. Council

3:00:18yes. Council Yuan, yes. President Mahoney,

3:00:24nine. resolution regarding the city of Quinsey

3:00:33thank you madame president. So today we we heard

3:00:44constitutional right, their liberty right, their

3:00:52technology. and I don't want to repeat it. Um

3:01:01trust for this. So we can talk about the internal

3:01:09back door is wide open. The company has access

3:01:19what this company can do and this company has very

3:01:29data sharing data analyze way beyond the contract

3:01:42So my resolution has list all those case. Actually

3:01:49it. And I think um as a city of Quincy we have a

3:02:03Massachusetts and have been used for a long

3:02:14this system haven't been informed residents. So

3:02:26actions to stop keep connecting residents private

3:02:38just read now therefore be it resolved that

3:02:46the administration to terminate all flock safety

3:02:53And be it further resolved that the Quincy

3:02:58to immediately direct flock safety to remove all

3:03:06cameras from collecting residents data where the

3:03:13And be it further resolved that if the camera

3:03:20administration should take immediately immediate

3:03:28covering the cameras until they can be removed.

3:03:35report to the city council on the step it

3:03:41stop data connection and remove the cameras and

3:03:49contract with flock or any contract with another

3:03:57city council approval. I want to make a motion

3:04:04this is a motion to pass the resolution. Do we

3:04:09do you want to speak? Councelor R. Uh, yes.

3:04:14a statement with regards to this um ordinance.

3:04:23the use of ALPRs in the city of Quinsey.

3:04:30provided to the QPD and to the citizens of

3:04:42that they were being uh um that they were not

3:04:55that some of the data was being used in

3:05:03monitored every day when we turn on our phones,

3:05:10uh iPads. But we do that knowing knowing that that

3:05:24So we do it knowing that we are being monitored

3:05:32There was no public meeting and and that is part

3:05:41when a system like this is being used in our

3:05:48but to pass a resolution seconded by councelor

3:05:53Councelor Jacobs, just on the motion, it was

3:06:01that there are now Motorola ALPRs that

3:06:10to. Um there's like, you know, four or five

3:06:16it not it mentions a lot about flock. to know

3:06:21just specify all automatic license plate

3:06:26as an addition like or any other license

3:06:31not know is is even out, you know, have not

3:06:43through through you, Madame President. So,

3:06:46uh, councelor Jacob, so you want to like

3:06:54APR on this re resolution. Yeah. Just Yeah.

3:07:02it's not just flock because, you know, apparently

3:07:07still use the same ter the same terminology

3:07:20I can consider that amendment though. So to

3:07:25to be exact. So and where do you want to put it

3:07:31down the bottom it says be it further resolved

3:07:36any contract with another ALPR vendor is to be

3:07:43to make sure I mean I know what Council Hub just

3:07:47just don't know you because we're talking about

3:07:54right there where it says, "Therefore, be

3:07:57Strongly College Administration to terminate

3:08:10um networks, network contracts.

3:08:20You see where you see where I added that?

3:08:26it should should say, "Now, therefore, be it

3:08:30calls upon the administration to terminate all

3:08:36contract agreements as soon as possible." Did you

3:08:44David Jacobs. Um, did you and Council you accept?

3:08:51No. Okay. Okay. So, we have a motion if it's all

3:08:56amendment? All in favor? Okay. Anybody else on

3:09:02Council Riley. Thank you, Madam President. Um,

3:09:10spent talking about this issue and and um, like

3:09:16June when I hardly knew anything about flock

3:09:22having come from a technology background, having

3:09:28these these technology companies, this is not a

3:09:33a technology company that's seeking to, you know,

3:09:40more communities have ended Flock, including

3:09:46reduction in the workforce at Flock, which is not

3:09:51and you know, be able to uh make changes to their

3:09:58using AI, which is an unregulated technology.

3:10:03I I commend the Quinsey PD for working with Flock,

3:10:10to the public outcry and not proactive. They're

3:10:15delivering them at the request of the communities.

3:10:21and it it is difficult to think about taking

3:10:27if it didn't provide value, this would be a much

3:10:31conversation if they weren't getting any value out

3:10:35jobs more efficiently. What we heard the last

3:10:40they can get to the usually the information they

3:10:44efficient. Um the other thing I'll mention is that

3:10:51They don't answer to their customers. They

3:10:55investors. That's what their job is is to make

3:11:00remain stagnant. Their job is to innovate, to keep

3:11:07Instagram was because Instagram was taking market

3:11:12And so what did Facebook do? They made them an

3:11:16with Flock or Flock could do that with another

3:11:21cameras, which seems to be another conversation

3:11:27the end of the day we simply cannot guarantee

3:11:35within our control to do so. It's ultimately at

3:11:43of the data. So um with that I'm I'm ready to

3:11:55Thank you. Uh, Madame President, I um appreciate

3:12:02QPD, with constituents, a lot of residents

3:12:07speak on on issues and are or and or are involved

3:12:15and vocal and interested in this. And I would like

3:12:20research and and whatever ignited that that fire.

3:12:26which that's happening. Similarly, the Quinsey

3:12:31implemented a number of changes to their internal

3:12:38whatever they we possibly can do as a police

3:12:44collected or and um to put our best foot forward

3:12:52I think the last time the chief was here and and

3:12:59the county, the the municipality and the different

3:13:05do think that it takes all of those considerations

3:13:12city, each town, each population. Um, you know,

3:13:18are that are calling or cancing their contracts

3:13:26is universality and having everybody be on one

3:13:33cancelling contracts, I'm struggling to see how

3:13:41and although that seems like a kind of a simple I

3:13:46way to explain it, but I think that it takes a

3:13:52in something that's succinct at least for me to be

3:13:58over the weekend which we say uh, you know, I

3:14:03being surveiled by this company and one resident

3:14:10one person's feeling of safety over the other?

3:14:16that example is um what I'm choosing to to lead

3:14:24department, they're great at the meeting. We had

3:14:30there's some some usefulness to the infrastructure

3:14:37forward um to see what can be done internally that

3:14:48um I really came into this um pretty open-minded

3:14:59guard rails on the current system um so that

3:15:09after hearing from all the residents and hearing

3:15:18um that you know there's not a lot of research

3:15:29there are many examples of things could go wrong

3:15:38the company, talking about you know um security

3:15:46um just you know the ACLU said really any of the

3:15:57protection. So all of those issues combined um

3:16:05if my son was was kidnapped, I would want him to

3:16:11still true, but then I think, you know, we could

3:16:18things a lot easier, but we won't we don't feel

3:16:25um on the line that, you know, we just the

3:16:35be greater than what we have. But I I think there

3:16:42I'm I'm going to vote in support of this. Has

3:16:50you all set? Councelor Deon, are you all set?

3:16:55note on this as well. So, this is really not

3:17:02This is a Flock issue. And I realized that when

3:17:06the data that's in their contract, it says we own

3:17:10we just own the data for when we delete it. Flock

3:17:14the data. The meta metadata is actually being kept

3:17:18by flock. And that's the part that we're really

3:17:23struggling with that. So even when we close our

3:17:27other people being able to see it, which goes

3:17:32is supposed to be able to do and we delete it.

3:17:37then we're going to delete it after 15 days.

3:17:40delete it after seven. That's what we're doing

3:17:45flock is collecting the data and we have no

3:17:50say we do but we don't and that is why so many

3:17:57that because there is no trust in the technology

3:18:04talked about SEIS when we were here and that's a

3:18:10that we're using too and that also had to have

3:18:14it wasn't private entity company that was creating

3:18:20in the past as well. But the problem really lies

3:18:26Motorola and I think Axon is also doing something

3:18:31that data is not being collected or used in

3:18:36Kennedy when he was here when I was asking him

3:18:41if it's a active active investigation, it wouldn't

3:18:46that and we don't have that control. And one

3:18:49that's what the ACLU said, is because we don't

3:18:54of Quinsey. It's bigger than all the other towns,

3:18:58lean on our state representatives and where we

3:19:03federal government because this is something that

3:19:08have to be careful about what we're allowing other

3:19:16that our Quinsey police are using and more about

3:19:23And you're seeing that happen because they're

3:19:28you're seeing Flock change things automatically

3:19:32data hasn't been hasn't been broken into, but it

3:19:38that's actually another reason why you should

3:19:41company to be partnering with because they're

3:19:46they have had. So with that, I know that there's a

3:19:52us by council uned by councelor Ryan. It's a

3:20:00what I can tell you is that the council here can

3:20:06we want to see happen, but it doesn't necessarily

3:20:12that's going to go to the mayor's office. But as

3:20:17to us by Council UN, seconded by Council Ryan, and

3:20:22will go to the administration, and then we'll have

3:20:26cover? I just wanted to make sure I did. So, with

3:20:34Thank you, Madame President. I just want to

3:20:40ordinance to order the administration to take down

3:20:50Quincy is a plan a government administration has

3:20:59power. So we can only call administration to

3:21:10physically remove those cameras because that

3:21:19technician can take down the camera. We customer

3:21:27is use a garbage bag to bag it. Um and uh I

3:21:36residents opinions and can seriously um consider

3:21:48um opinions and uh make a wise decision

3:21:58So, Councelor Hublé, thank you, President Mahoney.

3:22:10Um, while I understand we're voting on a um what

3:22:21uh to do this. Um, I do think even though

3:22:29I think it's useful for us to commit to form when

3:22:38before and then voting on it that night. I think

3:22:44topic that's before us. So I guess in the future

3:22:50that which we're voting on that night and that

3:22:55be useful for counselors to have a little bit more

3:23:00need to focus on for a vote that night. So I'm

3:23:04would be good in the future for us to refer things

3:23:09recommendation. Um that's that's all I have for

3:23:17say is that when we put something into committee,

3:23:20conversation in oversight. We can't make that

3:23:25council UN was trying to do is a recommendation

3:23:29That's a resolve and it does happen in the first

3:23:34a resolve. We are hearing the community. And I

3:23:39going to go into our committee and they're two

3:23:45saying we've heard people from our oversight and

3:23:49it's everybody gets their individual vote. So we

3:23:53vote in a second. We have an amendment a friendly

3:23:57the body. Um and then there'll be an oversight

3:24:02for the the ordinance. But tonight is just a this

3:24:09the flock lacked. So with that, if we could take

3:24:17no. Council Hubley, yes. Council Jacobs,

3:24:25yes. Council Ryan, yes. Council Yuen, yes.

3:24:35Moving on. Number

3:24:432026144 resolution requesting

3:24:47identifying markers on contracted snow

3:24:55Yes. This stems from the U meeting we had back in

3:25:06had. Um, I want to reiterate that the city

3:25:11amazing job. All the contractors did an amazing

3:25:18Commissioner Graciaso came in and did

3:25:23administration about this couple of times. I've

3:25:29this a few times. I I'm pretty sure I spoke

3:25:35but all this is really looking to do is just

3:25:42should have some type of identifying marker um on

3:25:49that that vehicle is is on um is being utilized by

3:25:59um you get a lot of you get a lot of deadend

3:26:03just end, right? So a lot of snow getting uh built

3:26:08they were approaching the plow operators and the

3:26:13contractor plowing this person's driveway." So

3:26:19identify which um plow operators were working,

3:26:27And it was difficult for me. And you know, I

3:26:33could easily be done by way of just buying some

3:26:39a contractor underneath, but also having just like

3:26:46um of the vehicle just so that way our residents

3:26:52that, you know, they the city has contracted with

3:26:58everyone here will uh certainly um support this

3:27:04to vote on it right now and send this to the

3:27:11All right. So, we have a motion to pass the

3:27:17the contracted snow removal vehicles. Do we have a

3:27:21there councelor Hubley. Yeah. Thank you, President

3:27:31Brandon here tonight. I just wanted to get his

3:27:35it or if he has any thoughts logistically,

3:27:40just move this along. Always good to hear from a

3:27:49Yeah, thank you for that question uh through

3:27:54this. Um we are working through the logistics

3:28:00contracts for this upcoming season are in place.

3:28:07with getting it widespread. Uh we are talking to a

3:28:14upcoming season a a targeted pilot program on

3:28:20like magnets would be preferred. We tried the

3:28:25not being able to roll down the windows and that

3:28:30um, we we're talking about it. Um, we'll

3:28:38sir. Anybody else? Council Riley. Thank you,

3:28:48actually something that we should at least

3:28:53um, Commissioner. Um, it's no different than,

3:28:59um, you know, FedEx or for Comcast. Those those

3:29:05you know, subcontractor for. So, I think

3:29:10you know, yelled at when it turns out there

3:29:14entity and keeps all of our calls down. So, I I

3:29:19and not complicate it any more than we need to

3:29:23that the contracts are already in place, but I

3:29:28to just identify so that people aren't accused

3:29:33plowing in somebody's driveway. I think it's I

3:29:37you know, bring forward vote tonight. So, this is

3:29:43recommendation, right? Councelor Deon. Thank you,

3:29:50already? I I know you're new to the position.

3:29:55installed right now where we have um vehicles that

3:30:04on them right now? Uh, to my knowledge, there's

3:30:12would say that they're specifically working for

3:30:17that have the I believe all the contractors that

3:30:23but there is no identifying city of Quinsey

3:30:30Thank you. Welcome. All right. Anybody else?

3:30:36roll call vote. Council Ash, yes. Council

3:30:42yes. Council McKe, yes. Council Riley, yes.

3:30:50yes. Nine members. Okay, moving on. Number 11,

3:31:03to Dia. Motion by councelor Dona, seconded by

3:31:10Ash. Yes. Council Deborah. Council Hubley. Yes.

3:31:16Riley. Yes. Council Ryan. Yes. Council UN. Yes.

3:31:24number 12. 2026146. A gift for $250 from Randolph

3:31:36Motion by Councelor Deona, second by Councelor

3:31:42Councelor Deona. Yes. Council Hubley. Yes. Council

3:31:50Yes. Council Ryan. Yes. Council Yuen. President

3:31:56approval of previous minutes. October 5th, 2026

3:32:012026 oversight meeting. Motion to approve by

3:32:07All those in favor? All those opposed? The eyes

3:32:12other city officers and boards. None. Excellent.

3:32:20meetings. Not seeing any. Yes. Councelor

3:32:33October 5th, 2026, we had a public hearing on

3:32:41National Grid Bay A and Homestead A. Um positive

3:32:49um Ash has a positive recommendation seconded by

3:32:55Ash. Yes. Council Dana. Yes. Council Hubley.

3:33:02Council Riley. Yes. Council Ryan. Yes. Council

3:33:09Any other reports to committees? Okay. Moving on

3:33:18Okay. You have a what? Memorial. Memorial. Okay.

3:33:27Thank you, Madam President. Tonight, I want

3:33:31community leader, a mentor, and a friend,

3:33:37at the age of 76. Mike was many things to many

3:33:44a grandfather, a proud a proud union leader, and

3:33:51and someone who dedicated much of their life to

3:33:59to say that I knew Mike in all in many of these

3:34:05different roles, but Mike was first and foremost

3:34:12old. My father had been our cub scout leader for

3:34:18Mike became our leader. I remember spending

3:34:23Neck Congregational Church where there was always

3:34:31us everything from tying knots and serving food

3:34:36and winter camping. And I have wonderful memories

3:34:42annual summer trips to TL Store in New Hampshire.

3:34:48of my childhood. I remember one summer when our

3:34:55And I also remember our early morning polar bear

3:35:00snapping turtle that supposedly lived in the

3:35:04was Spot. And then he'd say a corny thing like,

3:35:11had a joke and a laugh that was absolutely

3:35:17is that his influence didn't end when I grew out

3:35:23I joined the War One Democrats and the Quinsey

3:35:28involved for decades. When I began my teaching

3:35:35union, I carried with me the lessons I had learned

3:35:41organized labor. Mike was a proud 53-year member

3:35:48years. And when I decided to run for the city

3:35:54telling me what I had done right and certainly

3:36:00But I always appreciated his advice because

3:36:06Mike's commitment to Quinsey extended well beyond

3:36:12Quinsey Community Action Program for more than

3:36:16events and was elected mayor of housing efforts.

3:36:23Before they ripped down the maritime center, he

3:36:27used to run extension cords all over that place.

3:36:31to go to propane. I I think a little bit of him

3:36:37I realized how fortunate I was to have Mike in

3:36:43I was a young boy learning to tie knots, when I

3:36:47of unions, and when I was an adult finding my way

3:36:55about the kind of man that Mike Barry was. He

3:37:01in people, especially young people. And those

3:37:10his children Karen and Michael Jr., and his

3:37:14I offer my deepest condolences for your loss. Mike

3:37:22to House Neck and to the city of Quinsey. And I

3:37:26are better because they knew him. Mike, thank you

3:37:34and most of all, your friendship. You made

3:37:40be grateful. Rest in peace, my friend. You will

3:37:51Thank you madame president. I just want to use

3:37:56have worked so hard to bring awareness

3:38:02technology flock. Without their effort we

3:38:10great hall let alone pass this resolution. So I

3:38:21um so hard for democracy, liberty

3:38:29have always looked up to after I moved to

3:38:41Right. So we're gonna go back for a second. I'm

3:38:46you. Thank you, Madam President. Um, I would like

3:38:53school shooting that took place this past Thursday

3:38:58their teacher lost their lives to gun violence.

3:39:03school setting does not spark the kind of outrage

3:39:09massacre? According to sources from Sandy Hook

3:39:15children and teens ages 1 to 17. Since 1990, 558

3:39:24school shootings. Why have we become almost numb

3:39:31so frequent and yet just another news story?

3:39:37I'm old enough that it really wasn't something

3:39:42Your parents worried about car crashes and teen

3:39:46you would go to school and not come home because

3:39:51to shoot the place up. No wonder our young people

3:39:56health issues. It's something drilled into their

3:40:01where to crouch. Teachers are taught to barricade

3:40:06maddening that this is what our society and our

3:40:12victim's families, the survivors who will never

3:40:17horrific acts. I pray for the first responders

3:40:22and deal with the effects of witnessing these

3:40:27enough to end these senseless tragedies. Thank

3:40:34Mahoney. Um first, two things. First, um want to

3:40:45um Eileen Rita Fury. Um Moahan was her maiden

3:40:54by family. She passed on October 16th at her home

3:41:00personally, but I grew up with her daughter,

3:41:06actually right down the street from me, not too

3:41:13it said that she um is from Quinsey and Hull.

3:41:19like a really cool thing. Um, sort of very Quinzy.

3:41:25family in our pray in our thoughts and prayers.

3:41:31words because I don't think I can do it. Um, Mike

3:41:38many years. He lived one door away from my sister

3:41:45so we were always down there on a number of

3:41:50city and a great friend. And that's about all I

3:41:57madam. Um, President just um just want to say

3:42:05Ko for um the Quincsey Housing Development Corp

3:42:12I attended the meeting on Saturday and um, it was

3:42:18the people from Ward Five and the entire city to

3:42:24was going on and um, I'm looking forward to um,

3:42:32affordable housing. Um the mayor talked about uh

3:42:38in the city of Quinsey, they could have possibly a

3:42:45um preserving um the green space and and other

3:42:51So kudos to the mayor on this one. Um and uh

3:42:59were confused and they didn't really know what was

3:43:04into the winter season here um with the holidays

3:43:10came and stepped up to the plate. So looking

3:43:16uh thank you. Thank you. Because um a lot of

3:43:23the campus um the other day and it was it was

3:43:29sometimes you just got to talk about some positive

3:43:34direction. So I'm looking forward to um possibly

3:43:43in advance. So, we're going to go back now to um

3:43:50do have a traffic request to refer to ordinance

3:43:56at handicap parking at 94 Wilson A. Thank

3:44:05Not seeing any upcoming meetings. Um anybody

3:44:13Thank you. Um I've spoken with um Councelor

3:44:20uh combined finance and oversight committee. I'm

3:44:24October 26th. I'll work with the clerk and see

3:44:29the purpose would be to maybe just run through

3:44:33try to prioritize the ones that we're going to try

3:44:37additional information that the administration

3:44:40um prior to that meeting, but I think it would

3:44:48Okay. So, I'm looking for that date on the next

3:44:53Council Jacobs, I just want to add that um one of

3:45:00to be the um tenant representative to the Quinsey

3:45:08um signed letter that's supposed to come from the

3:45:14that would have been February 1st. So January,

3:45:19beginning of November in 2025, a letter

3:45:24you know, required by state statute.

3:45:28many times. No letter has been furnished.

3:45:36administration needs to do the correct thing,

3:45:41so that way we can start the 90-day process.

3:45:47this council and approve him to serve on the

3:45:55So there's a couple different things going on

3:45:59chamber next Monday. So but we'll just

3:46:04it out to everybody next we can make

3:46:08anything? Everybody else. Okay. So any other

3:46:16our next meeting is going to be November

3:46:19motion to adjourn. Thank you, Councelor