2026-11-05 - Community Preservation Committee

00:03Yeah.

00:05>> Hopefully he called the listener without

00:06making my teacher. Yeah.

00:07Yeah.

00:09Sorry.

00:10You and Chris.

00:12Excuse my

00:14I don't know why I'm tall. Six pack abs.

00:16>> I don't know. Probably.

00:17>> Yeah. Point is that's his older sister

00:19in the season.

00:21Chris is not going to play the body.

00:23Talk to each other sometimes.

00:24>> So nice.

00:26>> Sleepy.

00:27>> I have a

00:28>> mobile buddy.

00:29>> My assumption is

00:31that Sunday will feel a little long.

00:33>> Yeah.

00:34>> Like I felt like of those after game

00:37like just like a high school or even

00:38kind of like

00:40100 years ago high school people.

00:41>> Yes. Now all their years.

00:42Yep.

00:43Yep.

00:45Christine's got nothing. Calendar and

00:47sister.

00:49>> Well, yeah. Mark the email and be like,

00:50"Well, how

00:54>> Okay.

00:55>> And then you got the balls to be like,

00:56"Unless it's like nobody cares, in which

00:59case then you do

01:00do that."

01:02>> Well, and then

01:03unless it's like Brian Erlak

01:04quarterback in the NFL

01:06so

01:07well well

01:09but

01:09>> Hey, do I need to mute this thing?

01:12>> Uh

01:12for now, yeah. I'll tell you when to

01:14>> do that?

01:15>> It's your question.

01:17>> This thing with an accent.

01:18>> Sure.

01:19>> Okay.

01:21>> They usually cut it out at the beginning

01:22anyways.

01:24>> Just in case.

01:24>> Yeah. They play music for a bit.

01:26>> Yeah.

01:27Um

01:28>> Brian is huge.

01:30I don't know. Two weeks ago we all did

01:31it.

01:32So Melissa

01:33was talking to me the other day and I

01:34kind of ran into that. So I was like the

01:36game the game is playing well.

01:38We had not come back at this point. Cuz

01:41I guess

01:42it's playoffs potentially with the N B A

01:44etc.

01:46That in the end that's the top

01:47competition

01:49that they have.

01:52>> And then I was like, you know, I mean we

01:53do we do do it differently. It depends

01:55on

01:56what it is, right?

01:58If you aren't traveling, it's no big

02:00deal.

02:01If it's you know, you're like yeah.

02:04>> And that's essentially how

02:17>> Oh.

02:18>> Yeah.

02:21I'm actually going to make a motion

02:35>> Yeah.

02:38>> No, no. That's not

02:42>> 40A is written

02:45>> Abutters of abutters.

02:48>> That makes sense.

02:49>> So, like two lots

02:50>> I get it for like where

02:53>> That was 11.

02:54That was 11.

03:05>> I said, "I'm going to pretend I didn't

03:07hear that."

03:09>> It's going on. What did you say?

03:10>> Good to see you, too.

03:15>> Oh, I don't need that.

03:16>> And the world wants to

03:18>> Yeah.

03:18>> He definitely wants that.

03:19>> Everyone too is like, "No, who we are."

03:21>> I don't know who

03:21>> Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure.

03:24>> Are we having a presentation?

03:25>> Yes, by one word.

03:28>> Okay.

03:28>> Are they coming here, do you know? Or

03:29are they going to be online?

03:31>> They didn't tell me they were going to

03:31be online, so

03:33>> Andrew project.

03:38>> He's a piece of work, isn't he?

03:41>> For what?

03:42>> I want to be in on the joke. I want to

03:43make sure I'm in on the joke. Yeah.

03:45>> Right. Yeah.

03:46Right. Are you here?

03:47Oh, just have a seat in the audience and

03:50I think he'll be the only

03:52Yeah.

03:53>> Pick a seat, any seat.

03:55Pick the best one.

03:59What's going on? Have you been busy?

04:00>> Yeah.

04:01>> Are you making money?

04:02>> Trying.

04:03>> Trying.

04:05You have three kids?

04:06>> I got one in college now.

04:09My daughter's out of UMass, then I got

04:11my son is a sophomore over here, and

04:14my other daughter is at the Presentation

04:15of Mary, so I'm paying for two kids now.

04:19She's in the honors college, so she's on

04:21scholarship.

04:23>> I mean, UMass grad, so I

04:25>> You know that.

04:26>> Yeah, yeah.

04:26>> I went there when I was

04:28We went up a couple of weekends ago.

04:30Beautiful weekend on a Sunday.

04:31We toured the campus for about 2 and 1/2

04:33hours.

04:36All right, that's as much as we can do.

04:38And then we look around and we're

04:42kids.

04:45What are they doing here?

04:47Yeah.

04:48Uh but but I mean it's true. I don't

04:50know about you,

04:51you know, huge campus

04:53I mean,

04:54I remember walking around

04:57Oh, I understand. That's where we walked

04:59up.

05:00And then and then pavers, and then I saw

05:04I mean, what?

05:05Flowers? And they're among the like you

05:08know, the generic change. I'm like

05:11flowers? What is that?

05:12They would be like, uh, you know, some

05:14wild flower that somebody planted, you

05:16know,

05:17you know, very crunchy person.

05:19I know.

05:21I was a native

05:25What was put into college? Unbelievable.

05:27The campus is totally different. 100%

05:29different though.

05:30The rack area where the Mullins Center

05:32is and all of that.

05:34Even when I was there. It's a barren

05:35There was no track fields. Which is Oh,

05:37they passed Now they got the track

05:38fields. Oh, I did not know that.

05:40Oh my god.

05:41Yeah, yeah, yeah. We played on dirt. And

05:43it rained, we got muddy.

05:47The Boyden was the gym. Boyden. The pool

05:48in the floor was disgusting. Now they

05:50got the rack center and they got rock

05:52climbing walls and

05:54You sound a little mad, brother. Yeah,

05:56yeah, yeah.

05:58We're walking by, uh, SPA.

06:01The fitness school.

06:03I went to school there. The Eisenberg

06:04School of Management. School. Yeah,

06:05yeah. I would not get in that. I was a

06:07pre-med.

06:07>> graduated class.

06:08>> Oh, you were?

06:21>> Yes.

06:24>> Right. I was there too.

06:26>> Yeah.

06:27>> It was cool.

06:28>> Absolutely.

06:30>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

06:33>> Exactly.

06:38>> They have not put a nickel into the

06:40Southwest.

06:41>> Still looks like communist Russia.

06:42>> Yes, yes. It's like the What is it? They

06:44call it the brutalist uh architecture

06:46period, you know, where they just put up

06:48concrete.

06:48>> Yeah.

06:49>> Peter, how many of us need to be here?

06:51>> Five. GG says she's coming, but

06:55Yeah, it looks like Government Center in

06:57Boston.

06:58>> Yes, it is.

06:59>> Actually here

07:00>> Yes, yes.

07:02>> Yeah.

07:02>> Yeah.

07:04>> I had one time

07:07I had one student

07:10That square footage

07:13is the most

07:14densely populated area.

07:18That square footage

07:20was in like 80 something. I can't

07:21remember what it was.

07:22>> Yeah, that makes sense.

07:24>> Before the high rises in Mumbai

07:27There was 3 or 4,000

07:29kids.

07:32>> Yeah.

07:33>> What were you in?

07:34>> JQA 19.

07:36>> Yeah, yeah.

07:38>> No, no.

07:39>> No, I was 20 cuz 19 was a weird year. I

07:40was 20.

07:41>> Yeah.

07:42>> JQA 20 the little corner corner room.

07:44>> Nice.

07:45>> Yeah, my roommate

07:46>> Oh, okay.

07:48>> I get there my freshman year.

07:50>> Yeah.

07:50>> And my roommate was a sophomore. I

07:51didn't pick my roommate.

07:53And he was from uh he transferred from

07:55Stony Brook.

07:56He gets there, he says, "Hey, very

07:57nice." I liked him. We get ready to like

07:59go up first night, meet people. He's

08:01like, "I just want to let you know

08:05And he said, "Yeah, I came here cuz my

08:07father made me.

08:08If I leave within the first 10 days

08:15>> [laughter]

08:17>> That sounds like a lot of thinking.

08:19>> All right, great. Sounds good.

08:20>> And he left.

08:21>> Yeah.

08:22>> They didn't put another person in the

08:24room with me.

08:25>> Yeah, so I

08:25>> And that's why I got a corner room

08:27single.

08:28And then I I worked in school cuz I got

08:31a 4.0. And I worked in the weight room

08:33and the woman who ran the building

08:35>> was a 4.0.

08:36>> So I started telling her my story. And I

08:38had I

08:40throughout it I had heart conditions.

08:41Well, you said in the morning Never. So

08:43I'm telling him that day I had

08:44restrictions.

08:45>> She just told me

08:46>> You didn't know that.

08:47>> It just came from little six year

08:49>> Yeah.

08:49>> Yeah.

08:51>> What do you mean you didn't say that?

08:53>> He didn't say that.

08:54>> What do you

08:55>> I know two

08:56>> two days.

08:56>> I can't let

08:57>> I can't

08:58>> I can't let you

08:59>> I can't

09:01>> You're really

09:01>> those people are so funny.

09:03>> Okay.

09:03>> So it's on behalf of

09:06>> Okay.

09:06>> Okay.

09:07>> What are you

09:08>> That's pretty funny.

09:08>> Yeah.

09:10>> And then

09:11>> And then

09:11>> don't know what's going

09:12>> Absolutely

09:14>> I I

09:16people are so

09:17I get up there on the 20th floor

09:19>> Oh, I like them.

09:22>> I'm on

09:24And I'm waiting there

09:25What the hell did I do?

09:27I get in my room and

09:29and I know It's a And it

09:31And all he does

09:32is smoke anything that's you can

09:35in English. It's not entirely accurate.

09:37>> So he started and then we drove home.

09:41>> You're like, "Hey, I'm

09:42Could you get out of the car cuz this is

09:45>> Oh my god.

09:45>> And he wanted to do this

09:47>> Yeah.

09:47>> I think that's

09:49>> James is parking her car.

09:50>> Yes.

09:51>> He is very nice.

09:52>> Yeah.

09:52>> I hope he is.

09:54>> But I mean of course he would be if the

09:55light is

09:57>> Bro, that's the thing about

09:58>> Yeah, I think it probably was.

10:04>> round circle

10:05>> same situation

10:06>> It's got 20 people.

10:07>> We had to say, "Where are you from?"

10:09Your name, where

10:11And what they gave the fans was

11:41>> Uh hi, we're going to get started.

11:43Um

11:44this is the November 5th meeting of the

11:47Community Preservation Council, and

11:49we'll start with a roll call.

11:53Here.

11:55>> Here.

11:56Here.

12:07>> Great. Thank you. Um so, we're going to

12:09start with the first item on the agenda,

12:11which is just an uh

12:13approval of the minutes from the 10 1 26

12:16meeting. Um does anybody want to make a

12:18motion for that?

12:20>> Motion to approve.

12:21>> Second.

12:24>> Um

12:26All approved? What do I say?

12:28>> All those in favor.

12:29>> All in favor?

12:30>> All in favor. Great.

12:31>> I.

12:33>> Great. Thank you. Um I'm going to uh

12:36actually it this is a very brief agenda,

12:38but I am going to um we do have somebody

12:40here uh in person from the Smith Baker

12:43full application at 400 Merrimack

12:46Street. Um I had initially thought that

12:48we would switch uh both the eligibility

12:51application and the full application,

12:52but since that other party isn't here,

12:54I'm not going to do that actually. So,

12:55we're just going to go in the order in

12:56which things are. So, we have a full

12:58application in front of us today from

13:00400 Merrimack Street, also known as the

13:02Smith Baker Center, and applications

13:04been submitted by the Lowell Center for

13:07the Arts um represented by Christine

13:09McCarran and seeking $400,000 of CPA

13:13historic preservation funding to restore

13:15and preserve the stained glass windows

13:17at the Smith Baker Center. Um and so if

13:20we have somebody here uh to speak on

13:21behalf of the project, we can ask you to

13:23please go to the microphone um just cuz

13:25this meeting is recorded and we want to

13:27make sure you get we get your comments

13:29on the record. Thank you.

13:32>> One question that could possibly come up

13:34is that when we submitted our letter of

13:36intent, we put $400,000 on there. And

13:39then we when we were working on our

13:41actual application,

13:43we received some information that there

13:45was uh there were a lot of applicants

13:47this year and there was pretty much zero

13:49chance that we were going to get

13:50$400,000.

13:52So, what we did is we went with the

13:54quotes that we've actually received up

13:56to this time. So, $400,000 obviously

13:58just a number. It's It's not It's a

13:59fraction of what we'll eventually need.

14:02But, the number that is in the actual

14:04application is based on quotes from

14:06actual people, not a number that I

14:09just sounded nice.

14:12>> [laughter]

14:15>> Great. Um so, I think what we try to do

14:18and and this is for for all

14:20CPC members as well.

14:23You know, the eligibility conversations

14:25are simply to determine whether or not

14:27people can apply for these funds. A full

14:29application presentation is an

14:30opportunity for the folks

14:32that have an application in front of the

14:34board to tell us a little bit more about

14:35the project. This is not the night where

14:38we will be discussing the

14:39particularities of people's funding

14:42requests. So we don't have to make a

14:44financial determination tonight

14:46in any way.

14:47And so I would say if you'd like to just

14:50tell the group a little bit more about

14:51the project itself. And then

14:54essentially what we do is give every

14:56applicant the opportunity to do this.

14:58Meet in front of the board, talk to us a

15:00little bit more about the project

15:01itself, and then we have a a later

15:03discussion after everybody's had that

15:05turn to kind of talk about the money

15:07specifically. So thank you. We will note

15:10that. We saw that the those numbers in

15:12the application. But tonight we we just

15:14want you to tell us a little bit about

15:15the project, why you know, why you're

15:17looking for these funds, what the plan

15:19is.

15:20A little more detail than what we can

15:21just read on paper in the application.

15:23[laughter]

15:24>> Okay, super.

15:26I don't want to get too huge, right?

15:28It's a it's a very large project. We're

15:29taking the building and basically going

15:32through it from top to bottom. If you

15:33look outside now, I'm not sure if you

15:35can see it from this window, but there's

15:37scaffolding on the building. We're

15:38replacing the roof right now, partly

15:41funded by CPC money, and we appreciate

15:43that very much. Our next big phase is to

15:46starting on the first floor to

15:49refurbish the windows. So of course it

15:51would be great we could go to Home Depot

15:53for 150 bucks, we could put in a bunch

15:55of windows, but that's not what we want

15:56to do. We're taking the windows, we're

15:59removing the windows so that we can

16:01preserve the stained glass in the

16:03window, and we're actually we have a

16:04gentleman from Western Ave Studios who

16:06has

16:07equipment from the 1800s, and he's

16:09actually rebuilding the frames and

16:12including a

16:13channel where we can put some protective

16:16plexiglass

16:18that hopefully won't cloud the way it

16:20has the the stuff that's on there has.

16:21So, what you can expect within this

16:24period is that all the entire perimeter

16:27of the first floor will have

16:29you'll be able to see the windows

16:31better. The it won't be possible or it

16:33will be extremely difficult for people

16:35to break in, which is an ongoing problem

16:37with the broken windows and things that

16:38are there. And also the kind of right

16:41rodent penetration or in infiltration

16:43and things like that. So, it should be

16:45that level should be protected and then

16:47we're going to continue up the building.

16:49The big project, of course, will be the

16:52three-story stained glass windows, which

16:54in order to restore them, we're going to

16:55have to remove them.

16:57Not us personally, right? They We have

16:59to have real special people who are

17:00going to come and they're going to

17:01remove these three-story windows,

17:03rebuild the wooden channels, and then

17:06we're going to have to, you know,

17:07restore any

17:09problems and then put them back on. So,

17:10that's

17:12a big ticket item, much bigger than

17:13these. So, this particular one is just

17:15to restore and refurbish the windows on

17:19the first floor of the building.

17:23>> Do we have any members that have

17:24questions related to the application or

17:26or presentation this evening?

17:28>> Madam chairperson, um

17:31one of my curiosities was are there many

17:33companies that do this type of work?

17:36That was the first thing I thought of.

17:37I'm like, how do you find these people?

17:40>> Yeah, we are focusing on people that are

17:43local, right? As as much as possible

17:45we're hiring people that are local to

17:46the area. We were very lucky to find

17:49this gentleman at Western Ave Studios

17:50who does this specific and even has the

17:53actual machines that they used back

17:55then.

17:56But yeah, it's not it's a we're

17:58fortunate that they're not in Wisconsin,

18:00you know, I mean, nothing against

18:01Wisconsin, but right? So, we're it's

18:03amazing that there's somebody who's so

18:04local who who is so dedicated and when

18:06you hear him speak,

18:08he's so excited about it. He's so

18:10excited about the project and the

18:11equipment and it's just we're so excited

18:14and grateful that we have found this

18:15person and that he wants to work with us

18:17and he's as as excited about the project

18:19as we are.

18:20>> Yeah, neat. Um one of the things I saw

18:23it it's in the historic district and

18:24that's obviously a historic building.

18:26Have you received historic board uh

18:28approval uh permission permitting

18:31whatever they require?

18:32>> Yeah, right through as we've been going

18:34along with the project the city's been

18:35fantastic partnering with us and really

18:38paving the way for us to get the

18:39permitting that we need and making sure

18:41that we're not

18:43being faced with

18:45unnecessary or you know administrative

18:48hurdles that they're really helping us

18:49and working with us to make sure that

18:51it's been going well and the historical

18:53society I mean the historical um board

18:55is seems so far to be happy with the way

18:58we're doing things and we're also um

19:00getting historic tax credits so those

19:02consultants as well are kind of keeping

19:04us

19:05honest as far as um that kind of thing

19:07goes.

19:08>> Sure. Um one of the things uh when I was

19:11reading through this it it um

19:13you included quotes for the person I

19:16guess that's going to be doing the work.

19:17>> Yeah.

19:18>> Um by my calculations I've got 135k.

19:22>> Um so right.

19:25Some of the quotes weren't in yet at the

19:26time so our

19:29construction manager suggested that some

19:31of the that specific areas could be

19:33doubled in order to get to the numbers

19:35that we were eventually going to need so

19:37we don't have physical quotes for all of

19:39the all of them so some of the numbers

19:41you'll notice are are double what are in

19:43the quotes because it's like we've got

19:45for example a quote for the east side

19:47and the west side has the same number of

19:48windows so we can go ahead. So some of

19:49those are still sort of um

19:52estimates as and then but when we had

19:55quotes we didn't include those.

19:57>> Okay. So what is the actual number?

20:01>> For the whole thing?

20:02>> No, not for this this this one.

20:04>> I mean for the windows for the for the

20:06windows.

20:07>> Yeah.

20:08>> Um

20:09the number that I've been told is about

20:12850,000.

20:14But I know you have a lot of applicants

20:15this year so we're not like well, give

20:17us all the money right we are we have

20:19other funding sources we're writing

20:21grants day and night.

20:22>> [laughter]

20:23>> So

20:24>> How much is it for the um

20:26for the first floor?

20:28>> The first floor should be the number

20:30that's on there, 249,000

20:32or whatever whatever's on the um

20:34the

20:35>> This This is a lot of numbers here.

20:37>> I know.

20:38>> And And none of them seem to match for

20:39me.

20:40Um

20:42>> There's a There's a summary page. I left

20:44my copy over there.

20:45>> under budget.

20:46There's um

20:49Okay, I see what you're you're saying.

20:51But it talks about doors, talks about

20:52masonry.

20:56Do you want to see it?

20:57>> I have a copy.

20:58>> Oh, okay. But this is under the budget,

21:00man. I'm looking at it and

21:05what I was confused about was is

21:07um the application seems to talk about

21:09the windows. Um but then I saw there's a

21:12$50,000 quote for doors, there's masonry

21:14involved.

21:17And I'm not sure if any of that

21:21applies.

21:23>> Yeah, the This is the first floor

21:25calculation, so um in order to make the

21:28first floor secure from vandalism,

21:31hopefully, and from again, um rodents

21:34and things like that.

21:36There's going to be some

21:39So the ones that talk about west

21:40elevation, obviously, west, north, east,

21:43those are all windows.

21:44>> Yeah.

21:45>> south And then

21:46sash repair is where we don't have to do

21:49any sort of um where all we have to do

21:51is replace the sashes.

21:52>> Mhm.

21:53>> Or Or we have to replace the sashes in

21:55addition to um other work.

21:57>> Mhm.

21:59>> And then the storm windows

22:01window caulking. Yeah, and then the

22:02doors are

22:05um

22:07is the only thing that isn't It isn't

22:09window related.

22:10>> Okay.

22:10>> And that's just um

22:14a number that I was given.

22:16>> Okay. [laughter]

22:17All right, thank you very much. I

22:18appreciate it.

22:20>> But no, we um I know it sounds like I'm

22:24I'm I'm the um

22:25board president. I'm not the

22:27construction person, but

22:29I'm also the grant writer, so I should

22:30have been a little bit more, you know.

22:32>> Yeah, no worries. No worries. Well, I

22:34just

22:35>> You're doing Honestly, I think you're

22:36doing a great job.

22:38>> Thank you.

22:38>> And I mean the the

22:41the Smith-Baker Center

22:42very familiar with it. This is a huge

22:44undertaking, so all these numbers, thank

22:47you for the Honestly, thank you for

22:49answering our questions.

22:50>> Thank you. I mean, no matter how much

22:52money you give us, we can spend it in

22:53about half hour, so.

22:54>> [laughter]

22:56>> No problem.

22:57>> Back up the truck, is that what you're

22:58saying?

22:59>> [laughter]

23:00>> We'll just take whatever you got. All

23:02right.

23:03>> Just very [clears throat] few times. For

23:04a point of clarification, the door

23:05numbers that you're putting in there,

23:06that's all exterior, right?

23:07>> Yes.

23:08>> Yes, it has to.

23:08>> All exterior.

23:09>> Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that

23:10that was that was part of it. And then

23:12my next question, if it's uh continuing

23:14down this path

23:15understanding completely that this is a

23:17big project, as everyone knows. Um

23:20if you could, I think the public would

23:21be interested, just for us to to

23:23understand the overall larger picture,

23:26because putting $400,000 into windows on

23:30a project that is as

23:33um

23:35hopeful that we're all hopeful to see

23:36come through, but there's a lot of

23:38moving parts. I just thought that would

23:39be an opportunity, maybe just to bring

23:40everybody up to speed on where things

23:42are on the larger project of that, so

23:44that we can have a full picture when

23:45we're making a decision.

23:47>> You mean the future of the building?

23:48>> Yeah, and just the costs, the the other

23:51pieces, just 10,000-ft view, so that the

23:53public would have an understanding of

23:54it.

23:54>> Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate the

23:56opportunity to do that.

23:58There are of course many phases, but the

24:00big picture phase is phase one was

24:02stabilizing the building, which is

24:04ongoing, right? Right now, we're

24:06replacing We're making it so it doesn't

24:07leak anymore, which is huge, and then

24:09also repairing um

24:12removing asbestos, things like that that

24:13are just going to make it a safe

24:14building to work in and and um make it

24:17watertight. But the the the exciting

24:19phase for me is phase two, which is

24:21where we actually open the first floor,

24:24which was

24:25the majority of the place where the

24:26senior center used to be and things like

24:27that. So, that is going to be where a

24:30lot of the money that's generated from

24:32the building is going to happen. So,

24:33that will be a 100 seat performance

24:35venue, a commercial kitchen with that

24:38will service both a bar restaurant

24:40that's in the building and also food

24:42entrepreneurs. So, there'll be a Oh,

24:44here he is.

24:45>> [laughter]

24:45>> This is the person who knows all about

24:47the numbers.

24:49It It which will have a culinary

24:50incubator program happening. So,

24:52food-based entrepreneurs can come. We're

24:54also thinking about like some workforce

24:56development in that area with folks who

24:58want to learn about, right? Instead of

25:00just saying, "Hey, I you know, I've got

25:01this great recipe from my mom and I'm

25:03going to

25:04make, you know, this thing, right?"

25:06We're going to actually help them to

25:07understand the business side of I just

25:09love to cook and I'm going to open a

25:10restaurant. And that is going to happen

25:12on that floor as well along with the

25:14small art gallery. The way we envision

25:16this building is as a portal to some of

25:19the great things that are also going on

25:21in Lowell. So, we have a

25:23There's an art exhibit going on and we

25:25say, "This More from this artist can be

25:27found at Western Ave. Studios. Do you

25:29know about Western Ave. Studios? Here's

25:31some information, right?" And here we're

25:32talking about like a huge quilt exhibit

25:34and then we say, "You know what? We have

25:36a Quilt Museum here. Did you know that?"

25:37So, we're we're kind of imagining if

25:39someone came to the Lowell Center for

25:41the Arts first,

25:44what could we introduce them to, right?

25:46This building is in the National Park.

25:48Did you know Lowell was the first city

25:49to be made to a National Park? Like that

25:51all that kind of stuff, right? So, we're

25:52we're the portal with, you know,

25:55littered with QR codes for folks to find

25:57out about all the other great things

25:59that are going on in the building. And

26:00we see this is very much of a

26:03a rising tide type of a type of a

26:05project where we're bringing more people

26:07into the city. We're we're I mean, some

26:09of the people who like, "Oh, you want to

26:10put a restaurant there? Well, isn't that

26:11going to bother some of the

26:12restaurants?" Actually, The Worthen and

26:15and kept Cobblestones are two of our

26:16greatest supporters because they

26:17understand the rising tide mentality.

26:20The more people who come,

26:22the better it is for everyone. And

26:23that's really the way we see the Lowell

26:25Center for the Arts.

26:26>> Do you want to say something? They asked

26:28a question about the

26:29budget.

26:30>> Budget? Come on in, Dennis.

26:34This is Dennis. He's our [laughter]

26:35architect, long lifelong little

26:37resident.

26:37>> As well as treasurer.

26:40>> For for now.

26:41>> For now.

26:42>> Dennis, if I if I could if you could

26:44guide just in one area in particular for

26:46for my purposes, and I know Danny you

26:47can jump in. Um

26:49what the cost would look like through

26:51the phase one cuz that's when the

26:52building becomes stabilized. And at that

26:54point, everything from there has funding

26:56been received at this point are you

26:58still in the process of gathering

27:00funding for phase one?

27:02Um cuz this would be part of that

27:03stabilization. So we would be part of

27:05that phase one process. Just wanted to

27:06kind of understand the full picture of

27:08phase one and where that might turn how

27:10that might turn out.

27:11>> It's it's a curious question because in

27:14my mind phase one is um as much as we

27:17can get.

27:18Uh so what was defined by the city was

27:20sort of the minimum.

27:22Um and that was the roofing, the

27:24masonry, some windows,

27:26securing uh doors and things.

27:29Um the windows

27:31>> [laughter]

27:33>> are a fascinating piece of this because

27:36the stained glass windows

27:38in phase one

27:40I mean, it it could be a lot of things.

27:42Right now we have um

27:44uh Kevin uh Jarvis at um

27:47uh Western Ave

27:49doing a lot of work and he's doing

27:51phenomenal work. I don't know if you're

27:52familiar with his facility over there,

27:54but it's

27:55top top top notch.

27:57>> We just got a little education on it. So

27:58we're excited.

27:59>> [laughter]

27:59>> Kevin Jarvis?

28:00>> Yeah.

28:00>> Great.

28:01>> Yeah.

28:02>> No, he really really is. Um

28:04and uh he just wants to do more and more

28:06and more. And so um

28:09if we could do all of the stained glass

28:11windows with um

28:13new storms on them and secure them

28:17on all levels, that would be phenomenal.

28:21Um and that's not a small ask, right?

28:24That's a a pretty good number, but um

28:27uh right now the city only asked us to

28:30secure the the

28:32that were in trouble on the first floor

28:34really. So,

28:35uh that's what our minimum

28:37>> Mhm.

28:38>> threshold is for phase one for the city.

28:40>> And that's the windows. I just mean

28:42roof, masonry, that first phase one to

28:44have the building be secure. What's the

28:46overall number? And I know what part

28:48you're looking for from us, but just the

28:49overall idea what it would look like.

28:51>> It's changing because we're learning

28:53more things about the roofing as we go

28:55along.

28:56>> It's funny how rehabbing a building does

28:57that, huh?

28:59>> [laughter]

28:59>> Unfortunately, but um we've got a great

29:02um team in place and uh right now I

29:05think we're close to

29:07um the So, we have um

29:10a grant for about 800,000

29:13uh uh um money money that we and then we

29:16also have through through the city,

29:18which is lovely. Thank you so much.

29:20And then we also have the loan,

29:23which is another 1.3.

29:25That that will

29:27do a lot. I mean, no question about it.

29:29That that definitely carries us for a

29:31lot of the engineering costs we have to

29:32do for permitting for

29:34to finish this.

29:36But um

29:37as far as the masonry and the roofing

29:39and the windows, we think that we are in

29:41great shape

29:42with that money, but we have to pay that

29:44back.

29:45>> Mhm.

29:46>> And there's a lot of, you know, things

29:47that go along with that. So, we're

29:49trying to set ourselves up for

29:52phase one and beyond. And then also chip

29:54away at

29:56adding uh better uh systems in the

29:59building

30:00so that we can have um

30:02uh

30:04Um he'll be lovely.

30:05>> Mhm.

30:06>> Uh

30:06uh So, we we want to get rid of the red

30:08X. Get rid of the red X, we have to have

30:10the building uh

30:12inspectors come through and say that

30:14we've taken care of the structural uh

30:16problems with the flooring in a couple

30:18of areas.

30:20We don't know what that number is yet.

30:21We still have work to do there. We're

30:23doing the abatement first.

30:25And the abatement, once that's done,

30:26which is probably the uh beginning of

30:29next week,

30:30I think I think we're about a week away

30:32right now.

30:33Then we'll be able to get in there and

30:35do all the investigation we need to do

30:37for the structural

30:38flooring pieces that we have to take

30:40care of for the

30:41fire department building department to

30:42be happy.

30:44Um

30:45I don't know how to answer that. I don't

30:46have all the numbers yet.

30:47>> want to I want to jump in with with just

30:49like two things. One is cuz cuz you've

30:51mentioned it a couple times and I want

30:52to clarify for for people listening and

30:55and for other members. I know this cuz I

30:57was a part of the RFP process, but the

30:58city in selling the property made some

31:02sort of very clear expectations of

31:04whatever potential future buyer. Um and

31:07so things like we have to be able to

31:09have two-way traffic on Cardinal

31:10O'Connell, so we cannot have things

31:12flying off the roof at the Smith Baker

31:13Center anyway.

31:14>> [laughter]

31:14>> So, the group had to um if I can just

31:17like speak on behalf they had to make

31:18some choices about like where they were

31:20going to spend some of the money that

31:21they had to address some of the like

31:23requirements that they responded to as a

31:25part of the RFP. And so things like

31:27getting the roof, securing the building,

31:30those kinds of things when they're

31:32saying the city it's not just like

31:34general permitting from the city. It was

31:36like literally a part of the deal when

31:37they bought the building. So, I think

31:39that is one. I think the I will ask sort

31:42of Matt's question in a slightly like

31:44maybe more frank way, but I think the

31:46question is like if we give $100 to a

31:50billion-dollar project, is that a good

31:51use of our money? And I and I think the

31:55a question is like

31:57is this impact the the the what how much

32:00are you asking and how impactful of a

32:02project can can it be? I think one of

32:04the things we struggle with is like

32:06people always ask us for a lot more

32:08money than we have the ability to give

32:09people. And at some point if you give

32:12somebody a tiny fraction of what they

32:14actually need, their project might not

32:16be able to move forward for a while

32:18because they're they're too busy trying

32:20to

32:20gather other funds.

32:22Um so not to put words in your mouth,

32:24but I think that that's that that that

32:25is kind of what we're asking is sort of

32:27like what is 400,000 200-and-something

32:30thousand represent as far as like the

32:32big picture and you know, is there a

32:34project that that exists that you can

32:36piece out of this larger thing that can

32:40get done with the request in front of

32:42the group.

32:44Can I say?

32:45>> Yeah, yeah, you can.

32:46>> [laughter]

32:48>> The answer is absolutely.

32:50We have I mean, sure, it'd be great if

32:52you said, "You know, we're going to just

32:53give you all of our money this year."

32:55We don't We don't need to give anybody

32:56else money, but in fact, we are working

33:00on a lot of different places, right? Our

33:02Our funding stack is is constantly

33:04evolving.

33:05Not just grants, right? Where Northern

33:07Bank had agreed to fund us for this

33:09first phase, and then when that phase is

33:12finished, we have a new proposal with

33:14them that they're going to give us some

33:15more money for the next phase, and

33:18ongoing, so we're expecting an ongoing

33:20relationship with them. And

33:24once we have this first

33:27level open, we actually are have going

33:29to be revenue generating. I mean, we're

33:31obviously not going to be making a

33:32profit year one, but we are going to be

33:34start to actually have some money that

33:35we're earning. We're anticipating either

33:38renting or running the restaurant, for

33:40example, so that'll be a tenant that

33:41would be in the building potentially,

33:43and having events, and right? So,

33:47getting us to that place is really

33:49important. And then if it takes us

33:51longer to get the bigger sanctuary

33:53ready, it's okay because the building's

33:55secure, it's not you know, it's no

33:57longer

33:58deteriorating, and we're also making

34:01some of our own money, so we can at

34:03least keep the lights on without coming

34:04back here constantly and asking and

34:06begging for everybody's money. So, I

34:09think this is an excellent step towards

34:10sustainability for us. And

34:14you know, it it's going to be a

34:15fantastic day when we open that

34:16sanctuary cuz it's so beautiful, but

34:19actually the majority of the money's

34:20going to be made on that first floor.

34:24>> Great, thank you. That That's helpful

34:25information, I think.

34:26>> Great.

34:27>> Yeah, the last piece of that all I would

34:28say is between now and when we get to

34:30the determination period in February,

34:31March, that phrase, if you if we can

34:34ask, or we may be requesting

34:36the more detailed capital stack

34:38information at that point.

34:39>> Oh, I see.

34:39>> Cuz I know you're building it towards

34:40that. At that point, it will help us in

34:42we're our determination to kind of know

34:43exactly where the where things are.

34:45>> Yeah, absolutely. And everyday it

34:46becomes clearer, right? I mean we just

34:49uh

34:50We have lots of literally Brad Magana

34:52and I get together every single week and

34:54we put out at least one grant a week. So

34:57any day now, you know, and and it does

34:59happen, right? We have received $200,000

35:01from MCC for their and we and we're

35:04expecting some other things to come

35:06through. So

35:08our is not just for here, right? We're

35:11asking everybody who's not, you know,

35:13anybody breathing is basically no one's

35:15safe.

35:16>> [laughter]

35:17>> From being and we're having an

35:18end-of-year giving campaign. So if you

35:20have some you want to get rid of some

35:21money before tax season.

35:23>> [laughter]

35:24>> Come on in.

35:25>> Make a donation.

35:26>> Do we have any other questions from

35:27members?

35:28>> If if if I if I could just add if I

35:30could just add we've had some phenomenal

35:33success with what we've done so far in

35:36that the building hasn't required

35:39extra. For instance, the masonry budget

35:42came in on budget. We did the masonry

35:44work it came in on budget, right?

35:46And the roofing, you know, we have some

35:48surprises but it's not astronomical.

35:51So we're doing really really well with

35:53maintaining our numbers and staying

35:56somewhat tight with our

35:58with our work. So and and we have a

36:00great team in place that is not asking

36:03for the

36:04the stars and the moon and everything.

36:05So it really was a great team.

36:09>> Well, thank you so much. Like I said at

36:10the beginning um so tonight was just an

36:12opportunity to present about the project

36:14and you'll hear from the staff when we

36:16kind of we're going to have a lot of

36:17applications so we'll have a probably a

36:18couple meetings before we can kind of

36:20get through everyone that submitted a

36:22full application. Um so at some point

36:24we'll let you all know

36:27when we're at the stage to start

36:29discussing actual like

36:31financial decisions and you'll hear from

36:33from the staff at that point.

36:35>> Thank you very much. Really appreciate

36:36you all.

36:37>> so much.

36:37>> Put our you know, capital stack

36:39information together so that we can

36:41share that with you at that time.

36:43>> Thank you so much.

36:43>> Thank you very much.

36:44>> Thank you.

36:49>> All right. So, the next item on the

36:52agenda is an eligibility application.

36:54This is for the St. Joseph the Worker

36:57Shrine located at 37 Lee Street. An

36:59application's been submitted by the

37:02Oblates of Mary Immaculate, uh seeking

37:05$70,000 of uh CPA Historic Preservation

37:09funding to repair the roof at the Worker

37:11Shrine. Um and they're uh at this point,

37:15this is just an eligibility application.

37:17So, that is the focus of this

37:19discussion.

37:20Um if anybody's got questions or

37:26>> thoughts.

37:27>> Yeah, just

37:28quickly. Um

37:29it looks like it's in the historic

37:31district. It looks like it's historic

37:32and it's for the exterior, it's for the

37:34roof. So, it looks like it's eligible.

37:38>> Yeah, I didn't see anything that would

37:39deem it ineligible from my review.

37:42>> [snorts]

37:42>> Agreed.

37:44>> Great. So, I think we're just going to

37:45take a vote to determine its eligibility

37:47and then the staff will let them know

37:48that they have been deemed eligible and

37:50will be able to submit an application.

37:52So, if we can have a motion

37:54>> I'll make a motion to deem it eligible.

37:56>> I'll second.

37:57>> Great. All in favor?

37:59>> Aye.

38:00>> Aye.

38:01>> Great.

38:02So, oh sorry. So, the team will make

38:04sure to reach out with them to them and

38:05let them know that they can start

38:06working on a full application.

38:08>> One other question, um I saw that this

38:10eligibility um came in later. Are they

38:13still coming in? And when is the

38:15deadline, I guess?

38:17>> Deadline already passed.

38:19>> Okay.

38:19>> We it was an administrative sort of

38:22oversight that we missed the initial

38:24application. Um and so, they they met

38:27their obligations as far as timeline was

38:29concerned and so, we felt like you know,

38:32by doing right by them, we would add it

38:34to this this meeting. Yeah.

38:36>> For the

38:37people that are new to the board, if you

38:39haven't looked back in the past, I know

38:40last year we had a long discussion on

38:42this about whether we were going to

38:44allow things to come in late. So, that's

38:46a I'm glad we got the explanation on

38:48that because I think we all decided that

38:50moving forward we're going to try not to

38:52let things come in past the deadline cuz

38:53it's just unfair to people. Um so, that

38:55I'm glad that that was put on record.

38:56That's great.

38:59>> Um I don't think we had any continued

39:01business or the other business that we

39:03want to discuss is essentially the 2027

39:06meeting schedule. So, that schedule

39:08should have been circulated to everybody

39:09for review. Um you know, this is a

39:12schedule that as you can imagine, this

39:15building gets busy. We're trying to book

39:17out spaces. It's important that we have

39:19a clear clear schedule with dates. Um

39:22and so, just wanted to sort of review

39:24that, see if anybody had any particular

39:26questions or concerns,

39:30um and if not, have a motion to to sort

39:33of approve that schedule and sort of

39:35commit ourselves to making ourselves

39:37available on those dates.

39:39>> Madam Chairwoman, um as long as we can

39:42meet on Zoom, then I'm willing to then

39:45I'm then I'm pretty sure I I can make

39:47things work. So, I don't know about

39:48anyone else.

39:49>> Yeah, and I think that the

39:51we've been pretty consistently like

39:54making it both. Um just, you know, I

39:57think for for me at least from the as as

40:00chair, I guess, at this point, um my

40:02priority is to get the meetings done.

40:04And so, if that means people can get

40:05here in person or can make it work but

40:07can only do that via Zoom, I'd rather

40:10have the meeting and have people

40:11virtually than than have to cancel and

40:13push people off. So, um I think the plan

40:15is to maintain a hybrid model and sort

40:18of you let us know what works.

40:21>> Looks for me.

40:23And thank you.

40:24>> I believe in you.

40:25>> Do we need a motion to approve it or is

40:27this just like am I just saying that

40:28it's the schedule?

40:30Okay, great. Let's get a motion then.

40:31>> Motion to approve the schedule as

40:34listed.

40:36>> And then do people want to second?

40:37>> Second.

40:38>> You want to drink it? You want to try?

40:40>> Great. All approved?

40:42>> I.

40:42>> Great. Thank you.

40:45Um

40:46That's it that we had for formal

40:47business. If there are other uh comments

40:49or questions from the committee members,

40:51uh this is your time to shine.

40:54>> Is it okay to do we need to select

40:56another chair? Remember the last

40:57meeting, there was some question as to

41:00whether or not we need to

41:02>> Do we need to do that? Do we have to do

41:04that on an agenda?

41:06>> You would have to do it, yeah.

41:07>> Okay. Can we do that then? Can we add

41:09that to the December

41:11agenda, please? The like an election of

41:13I'm the sort of de facto person just cuz

41:15I was the vice chair previously, but we

41:17should formalize it. That'd be great.

41:19So, if we can make sure that gets on the

41:20December agenda, that would be

41:22fantastic. Um and then just it's an FYI,

41:25nothing we got a lot of applications. We

41:27saw how many eligibility

41:29>> [laughter]

41:30>> determinations we did. Uh Peter and I

41:32talked earlier. I think it's it would be

41:34way too many to try to get them all done

41:36in one night. Uh and so the plan is to

41:38to sort of split them up. And so we'll

41:40have a couple meetings at minimum where

41:43we're going to ask people to come, tell

41:44us about the projects, and then after

41:46that, um we'll start talking

41:49money.

41:50>> Yeah, if I remember correctly, we

41:51actually added a meeting last year to to

41:54to cuz it got so busy. Any more than

41:56four in a night gets crazy.

41:58>> Yeah, and I think like we don't want to

41:59give People are making the effort to do

42:01an application. They're making an effort

42:02to get here and tell us about their

42:03projects. We want to make sure we give

42:04them the opportunity to like

42:06>> to actually like

42:07>> tell us about their projects. And we

42:09want I I I think the

42:12meetings that we have to talk about

42:14money go a lot better if we have

42:17answered a lot of our questions and are

42:18maybe just asking a couple clarifying

42:21things on those nights. Um but I I would

42:23say I would encourage everybody uh like

42:26we did tonight when we have the

42:28opportunity to ask people the questions,

42:30let's let's do that at those meetings

42:33and then

42:34cuz the the the meeting where we're

42:36going to talk about money gets really

42:37complicated. We never have enough. It's

42:39always a lot of like going back and

42:41forth on on numbers and spreadsheets and

42:43trying to make it work. So, if we can

42:45get the clarifying questions done in

42:47advance, it makes that process

42:50I won't say painless cuz that's just not

42:51true, but like better, I think.

42:54Great. Um so, that's the plan. December

42:57we'll start seeing some of these full

42:58applications. We'll have a discussion on

43:01um

43:02the chair and and have those election

43:04discussions, and then um

43:06I think that's all that's we had.

43:08>> Do we want to set a limit? Um how many

43:10applications do we have? Do we know?

43:12>> I think there's 13.

43:17Yeah.

43:21Yeah.

43:22>> So,

43:22>> Yes, they're going to.

43:24>> [laughter]

43:26>> So, do we want to

43:28do we want to talk about how many you

43:29want on a night?

43:33>> I wish we had timed how long that one

43:34took.

43:35>> [laughter]

43:36>> Um I don't know. I think

43:38>> bad. That was

43:39>> Well, technically we just went through

43:40one. So, that would leave 12.

43:42>> Oh.

43:43>> So,

43:44>> You are a mathematician. I like it.

43:46>> [laughter]

43:48>> Well spent.

43:49>> So, it's up to us whether we think we

43:51can do a six and six.

43:52One of them would have three DPD, so

43:55that might be not as

43:58lab- laborious.

44:00Um but that one that has six

44:03get your coffee.

44:04>> Yeah.

44:04>> Well, that'll be a night where we'll be

44:05here for like 2 and 1/2

44:07>> I would defer to to the group what what

44:09you think is 6:30 to

44:11>> been around

44:12I I think it's amazing that I've

44:13>> Yeah, I know. It's kind of crazy. It's

44:16kind of crazy I'm deferring to you.

44:18No, but

44:19what would you suggest? I've only

44:21attended this for a year.

44:22>> Or two.

44:23>> From experience, we can get six done.

44:25>> Yeah.

44:26>> Um just everyone has to be ready that

44:27one of those meetings is going to be 2

44:29and 1/2 to 3 hours. It It will be. We

44:31have to give the applicants the chance

44:33to give us their full presentation, and

44:36for all of us to ask as many questions

44:37as we feel we need. So, as long as we go

44:39into it with the understanding that if

44:41we keep it at two, we're probably going

44:43to have a cut two probably relatively

44:45long meetings. And if we go to a third,

44:47we should probably look to find a date

44:50as soon as possible for that, so that if

44:53we break it into four, four, and four,

44:55um you know, it's known by everybody as

44:57early as possible. So, I would say I

44:59don't think we necessarily have to do it

45:01tonight, but maybe on the agenda we

45:04bring up whether or not adding another

45:06meeting is on the agenda for the

45:07December.

45:08>> Well, we're going to have need to know

45:09now, right? For the next meeting because

45:11there'll be

45:12um there'll be applications that we're

45:14going to be reviewing. So, I think we

45:16need to decide.

45:18>> I mean, I'm I'm good with four, four,

45:20four.

45:20>> Peter, do you remember?

45:23>> How we did it?

45:24>> I don't I seem to remember we didn't

45:27start taking application reviews until

45:30January.

45:31>> That part's correct.

45:33>> Okay.

45:33>> Oh, we didn't?

45:34>> That's what I thought cuz I seem to

45:35remember the December meeting being

45:37Anything else on the agenda? And then we

45:39started and we added a second meeting in

45:41January last year cuz I think we went

45:43two in January, one in February.

45:45>> So, if we're starting the process

45:46earlier, maybe we just like don't make

45:48it crazy and we have a we do four and

45:50four and four. And then the timing might

45:52still work out.

45:53>> Make sense?

45:54>> Um

45:54>> Yeah. Yeah, makes sense down there?

45:56>> People feel okay about that?

45:57>> yeah.

45:58>> Yeah.

45:58>> That's right.

45:59>> DVD is ready.

46:01>> They they come in in what?

46:02>> December.

46:02>> Yeah.

46:02>> Yeah.

46:03>> You know, maybe we do DVD

46:04>> They can be ready. They can be ready.

46:06>> They can be ready.

46:06>> [laughter]

46:06>> I will check and see if

46:08>> But yeah, maybe

46:09>> They'll be ready.

46:10>> I can I can speak

46:11for [laughter] that.

46:13>> Okay. So, then maybe we

46:14>> makes sense.

46:15>> Okay.

46:15>> the three plus one, you know, DVD plus

46:17one in December.

46:18>> All right.

46:19>> Let's do that then. Let And then And

46:21then that way we we're we're going to be

46:23on a parallel track with the schedule.

46:25>> Yep.

46:25>> Um and then we can give people as much

46:28notice um as possible.

46:30Um the one thing that I I sort of do

46:34want to talk about for This is like a

46:36future thing for next time. I think that

46:39we should probably consider making

46:41eligibility meetings uh maybe not for us

46:45totally virtual, but for applicants. Uh

46:48we had a lot of people turn out last

46:49time for 5 seconds of like, "Thank you

46:51for being here. That was nice. You're

46:53See you later." Um and you know, again,

46:55just like because we have them come in

46:57for a presentation and then they're also

46:59able to come in uh for the discussion

47:02about money. Um it's a lot of coming in

47:05and there of those three, there's at

47:07least one

47:09meeting that they definitely don't have

47:10to talk at all. And the third meeting,

47:12frankly, when we're talking about money,

47:13they only talk if we have questions.

47:16And so

47:17just it's something to consider. I I I

47:19think it's worth changing how we do that

47:22eligibility process next time around.

47:24>> I I I totally agree in terms of the

47:28think about just driving downtown alone,

47:30then running up the stairs at and all

47:33this stuff. Then

47:34you might not be your best self, but if

47:36you're but if you can just

47:38click in wherever you are, you might be

47:40better prepared and then we can have a

47:42more productive conversation, which then

47:44would lead to more information, which

47:47then can lead to more efficiency. That's

47:49what I the so I agree. That's what it

47:52comes down to.

47:53>> So, that'll be a change for for next

47:54round. I think that we should just

47:56capture that I think that moving

47:57eligibility meetings for applicants to

48:00fully virtual for them um is is

48:03>> makes the most sense.

48:04>> I think it does.

48:07>> Once we let them know they are that the

48:08application's been received maybe

48:10they're they'll know you can come as

48:13just virtual. You do not need

48:14>> Yeah.

48:14>> If they want to come see us

48:16>> Yeah.

48:16>> get something at Cobblestone's. Good for

48:17Cobblestone's.

48:18>> Correct. Yeah, of course. Of course. I

48:20think um we want to make it clear to

48:22people that they're like we're no one's

48:23docking them for not coming in person um

48:26but uh but I do think it's our

48:27responsibility to make it clear to them

48:30that like there's not much for you to do

48:31at this meeting and so you can come All

48:32of our meetings are public meetings.

48:34This building is a public building.

48:35People are welcome to come, of course,

48:37uh but it's just like not a great use of

48:39their time. And I think if we

48:40acknowledge that, it would probably make

48:42an applicant feel a lot better about not

48:44coming in person. So.

48:46Cool.

48:47>> [laughter]

48:52>> Um so, I think that's it for the agenda.

48:55I I do actually we have a new member. Um

48:58and so, yay. Welcome to the group.

49:00>> [laughter]

49:00>> Thanks for joining us.

49:02>> Um, and so we had a chance to to talk uh

49:05a little bit uh in advance, but um and

49:08you did introduce yourself at the

49:09council, but if you want to introduce

49:10yourself to the group, that would be

49:11great.

49:12>> Um, my name is Jenna Gilbert.

49:16My name is Jenna Gilbert. I have been a

49:19resident here in Lowell since I was

49:22about 23. I raised my family here. Um, I

49:25have two daughters and uh

49:28I

49:29have sat on a variety of different

49:31nonprofit boards. One that I currently

49:33work work with is the Lowell Youth

49:36Leadership. So, um I try to stay heavily

49:39involved in the community and this

49:42opportunity presented itself and I'm

49:45just happy to be on board.

49:47>> Great. Well, we're excited to have you

49:49join us, so thank you.

49:50>> Thank you.

49:51>> Um

49:53>> [laughter]

49:54>> You're not the newest one anymore.

49:58Um, great. So, that's it. So, can we get

50:01a motion to adjourn?

50:03>> Second.

50:04>> There you go.

50:04>> All approved. Great. Thanks, everybody.

50:06>> Have a good one, guys.

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