2026-10-29 - Board of Representatives Public Safety and Health Committee

00:00Alright, I got 632, so I'm going to go ahead and start the meeting. So good evening, everyone. As hopefully you all know, I'm Representative Tom Bouchard from District 1. I am the chair of the Public Safety and Health Committee for the Board of Representatives of the City of Stanford.

00:14This is the ninth meeting of the 32nd Board of Representatives Public Safety and Health Committee. It is now 632. So thank you everybody for making the time to attend today. I especially appreciate the invitees taking time out of their schedule to be here.

00:32I'd also like to welcome the ex-officio members from the Board of Representatives. So I'll do a quick attendance. I think we're a little bit light as folks should be joining us, but I do see Vice Chair Adams. Thank you for joining us. Representative Blank?

00:47Here, sir.

00:48Got it. Appreciate it. Representative DeLa?

00:53Present.

00:55Right, thank you. Representative Field? See you, thank you. Representative Gilbride is excused. Representative Graham? I don't see her. Representative Morrison? Just got an email from him, so hopefully he'll be joining shortly. And then, Representative Wolster, and I see you, so thank you very much.

01:26And then I do see Representative DeLa Cruz as an ex-officio member. Thanks for joining us. So we have three items on the agenda. The first one is item number one, PS32.010. And that is a review item. That is a review of the blighted property procedures for the City of Stanford.

01:51This agenda item has been on for several months and was submitted by Vice Chair Adams. Unfortunately, this month, again, Mr. Sean Reed, who's the Chief Building Official of Building Inspections, is unable to attend.

02:05So I would, as a result, I'd like to entertain a motion to recommit this item to Steering.

02:13Motion to recommit to Steering.

02:15So moved.

02:16Second.

02:17Second.

02:18So I'll put this up to a voice vote. So those that will support moving this item back to Steering, say aye.

02:30Aye.

02:32And those opposed, say nay. So it is approved. We'll recommit the item back to Steering. Thank you very much. So I'd like to introduce a second item on the agenda that is PS32.014.

02:50This is a review item, is an overview of the e-bike laws and regulations for the state and local level, including enforcement by the Stanford Police Department.

03:01That's a review item. We'll consider additional regulations that could improve public safety for e-bike riders in the public.

03:08So we should have all received the slide presentation for this by Sergeant Jeff Booth from the Stanford Police Department. And thank you very much for attending. Also relevant to this discussion is Mr. Luke Buttonweiser, Senior Transportation Planner.

03:24And of course, Mr. Lou Durubis, Director of Public Safety, Health and Welfare for the City of Stanford.

03:30So I'd like to open this item for Sergeant Booth to provide his remarks and walk us through the presentation. So thank you very much, Sergeant Booth.

03:38Well, you're welcome. Thanks for having me. Is the presentation up because my screen is completely blank or okay.

03:49Here we go. So these are just these went into effect these laws back in October of 2025.

03:56I'm sorry, July of 2025 and they are just classes of e-bikes that the laws have changed on who can operate and what they are considered.

04:07So there are a lot of e-bikes out there that are no longer e-bikes. I'm sure everybody's seen them out there. Anything that can go over 28 miles an hour has a wattage of more than 750 watts that can be produced from the motor are not considered what's called a motor driven cycle.

04:23Those require a driver's license for anybody to operate and anything over 3,500 watts is now a motorcycle. So that requires motorcycle license, registration and insurance.

04:37For people to operate those legally on the roadways. We've seen an uptick in, you know, use of these e-bikes and the there are some riders that are obviously causing issues.

04:52Stuff like that. So I'm not sure where the presentation sits at the moment, but this is just something I sent out to the police department. I know the police department recently posted another

05:04sort of flyer on social media. So they I'm not sure exactly. I don't have that one that was on the Facebook page. I believe the Instagram page, but the

05:16the public information has been out there for quite a while on these different bikes and motorcycles and motor driven cycles.

05:26So we're trying to get I know I sent some stuff to somebody downtown and there's what's up. We've talked to the Board of Ed about this as far as, you know, how students should be

05:36you know, whether they should be riding these things or not. So that's pretty much the presentation. These are just the laws that are on the books at the state level at the moment.

05:47There are no local ordinances that I'm aware of regarding any types of bicycles or e-bikes, but this is all the state of Connecticut motor vehicle law stuff.

06:03Thank you very much, Sergeant Booth. So a little bit of questions, unless Mr. DeRubus has any additional comments that you'd like to make.

06:15No, Chair, I just appreciate the committee putting this on the agenda tonight. Obviously, it's been a hot topic, not just in our community, but nationwide, we have had several deaths in regards to e-bikes.

06:28So it's something that we have been monitoring closely. I know the PD has been much more aggressive since these laws came out in regards to their enforcement efforts.

06:39But Jeff is putting it pretty simply. It's pretty complex and people get confused with the statutes and identifying what's an e-bike, what's a motorcycle.

06:52But there is laws in place. They are doing enforcement. I think the goal coming out of this forum is to address any questions or concerns that people may have in regards to this.

07:06And since Jeff is the expert, I think he'd be well equipped to handle those questions.

07:12But also the goal I'd like to think is leaving here is what would be our next steps and how could we continue to take this to another level for Stanford to make it a safer place when it comes to e-bikes for both, not just the riders, but for the community at large and in generals. So thank you.

07:32All right, thanks to the director. So again, I'd like to open this up for discussion. I see a number of raised hands. So I will recognize Representative Blank. Please go ahead and ask your question.

07:52I'm unmuted now. Thank you, Lou. And please appreciate your input on our e-bike situation.

08:02Lou, as you already know, I have a proposal that I have been holding off submitting until I have a conversation with you, but that seems to be slipping away.

08:14But in the meantime, as of today, there was a death in New York City due to a improperly stored or used e-bike battery. I don't know if anybody saw that in the news today.

08:2911-year-old died due to that. It was a fire. And that's just a point of information. My concerns are more traffic related. The situation with e-bikes in this city seem to have two levels.

08:53One is the what I see on the roads too many times are kids, young teenagers on these electric dirt bikes and overtaking a road.

09:10I just came down Oakland and they were doing it. And the issue is that they're not set up for road travel. They don't have lights. They don't have horns. They got nothing.

09:22And they're driving. And I know they're being reckless. And I know that I'm sure their parents are not okaying this. But they do it anyway.

09:35And I know it's near impossible for the police to do anything. I've mentioned before, my son is an officer in the New Canaan Police Department and he's told me in no uncertain terms, they will not chase these people.

09:48The other one, which is more law abiding, but becoming a dangerous situation, especially as we get into winter with the clocks going back this weekend, is the fact that in order to number of people who ride these vehicles wear dark clothing.

10:14The vehicles themselves tend to be black. I don't know why. And they are not equipped with proper illumination. And the vehicle owner or rider doesn't wear a safety vest.

10:31We force other groups to do that. And I think it's time now to enforce that kind of action here. And that is my goal, is to ride an ordinance to that effect.

10:48But I'd like to hear your take on it and see what you might have to add to that. So I yield the floor for a response.

10:58Yeah, sure. Yeah, I know we've spoke on this a couple times, Rep. Blank. And I've heard your perspective on it with the vest. And I'm not disagreeing with you at all.

11:10I think my perspective is doing exactly what we're doing, is having these discussions with the experts. We have Luke here who's from our transportation division.

11:22We have our sergeant in charge of our traffic enforcement. We have myself who oversees all public safety in the city. And we have our community representatives.

11:34I know I have multiple conversations pretty regularly with residents and store owners and people throughout the community. And I'm sure you all are having the same discussions out there. And that's why we're here.

11:49So when we spoke about the vest, I thought it was a good idea. And I think I communicated to you that I think that's a good point. And it should probably be incorporated into something larger and addressing a multitude of different issues rather than just an ordinance specifically mandating people wearing vests.

12:13I think we have to have discussion amongst this group and get input from the community members as well on how that ordinance should look and what should be included in it.

12:25But I think my perspective, if I heard your question, right, what's my perspective on it, is that I think we need to do more as municipality to put us in a position to make our roads and our riders safer. So that's my perspective. And I think we have the people gathered together here to set that in motion.

12:47So I appreciate that. And then I will be reaching out to all of you to get your perspective on the ordinance. I appreciate it. Thank you. I yield.

12:58Thank you, Representative Blank. Not exactly sure the procedures, but I'd like to have a discussion with you since you have made progress and have a framework for your thoughts relative to looking at an ordinance.

13:18Looking to establish a subcommittee or a smaller entity within

13:24the committee here to help us put our thoughts together, would you be willing to support and take the lead on that?

13:33Absolutely. No question.

13:35Right. So let's have the discussion and follow up.

13:39We can take it offline.

13:40Appreciate it. I think that'd be a terrific way forward. And I obviously have some thoughts to share relative to that. And so I think I appreciate your support in that.

13:52At this point, I'd like to recognize Representative Dela Cruz.

13:58Sheriff Richard, I'm sorry, just before.

14:01Cruz goes, I apologize. Um, I just want to echo Director Durovitz's statements about the need to kind of a larger conversation here. And I think just to kind of get everyone's gears turning in their head.

14:11I think it's, there's kind of two parts of this, right? There's like the commercial e-bike riders. Right. I think this is going to be like your

14:20food delivery operators primarily, and then you're going to have more of your individual personal e-bike riders like those are going to be people commuting to work.

14:29People getting around town because they might not own a car. As you mentioned, kids going around town. So I just think when we're talking and framing, I think there are kind of two large meta components to the overall e-bike discussion.

14:42Just keep that in your mind. And there's different kind of ways to go about those two groups. I think it's kind of, I can love people and more or less. So I just want to throw that in there.

14:50But yeah, I agree with Director Durovitz that this is kind of a larger transportation, public safety issue that we have to kind of come together on, come up with some sensible solutions for it.

15:00Yeah, very much agreed. Thank you, Luke. Appreciate that color. Again, represent, recognize Representative De La Cruz.

15:11Thank you, Chair Bichard. With respect to the larger conversation, I'm more than willing to contribute to that.

15:22I missed what, what are the requirements for a driver's license, to clarify what is a driver's license required?

15:36Driver's license is required on a vehicle that's classified as a motor driven cycle, which is commonly known as a scooter, anything that has an engine displacement of under 49 cc or less, or an e-bike that produces more than 750 watts of power at the battery.

15:55Those will require a driver's license, just just a Class D regular license is what is those, those are the vehicles that would require those.

16:03I see. And that's by the state regulation.

16:08That's a state law.

16:09State law. I think we're allowed to impose regulations stricter than the state. Is that, does that concur with your understanding?

16:21That's above my pay grade, but I believe so.

16:24Yes, because with regards, without regard to the output, the wattage, anything that is motorized perhaps should require a driver's license.

16:39And also another possibility is that they require insurance.

16:47That is a state issue.

16:51I don't think you can, the city can regulate that on the state. That is a state of Connecticut regulation, but I'm not sure the city can override that.

17:02But that's again, that's a political realm that I don't really get involved in, but that the state does not require insurance on these vehicles.

17:10They just require a driver's license.

17:12There's no requirement statewide for registration or insurance.

17:17I see, but the state has not denied the requirement for insurance.

17:23They have been silent on the insurance issue.

17:27It's never been a requirement, not in the 30 years I've been a police officer, so it's never been a requirement.

17:33No, I see, but it hasn't been, how would you say, the state has not opined that it should not be a requirement.

17:46The state has been silent on the matter.

17:49Well, it's never been a law. I don't know anybody that's ever proposed it.

17:52So if you want to send somebody out to Hartford to propose it, that would probably be something that we could talk to our state partners about.

18:00Yes, I see.

18:01OK, so I'll be happy to contribute and I'll be submitting some suggestions to Representative Black.

18:10Thank you, Chair Butchard, I yield.

18:13Thank you, Representative De La Cruz, and you are on the list.

18:17At this point, I'd like to recognize Representative De La.

18:22I think Representative Field I think was ahead of me at his hand up first, if I'm not mistaken.

18:29It's all good. I know I'll get my chance to go.

18:32Representative Dittelow.

18:34Thank you. This is going to be for Sergeant Booth through Chair Butchard.

18:41I do kind of more an overall question.

18:45So part of, you know, a thing on my end is also the enforcement end of this and kind of trying to see, you know,

18:55if you guys, you know, patrol are out there, are people are are these operators pulling over when police comes over?

19:04Are they taking off on you guys?

19:07Ninety percent of the time they're taken off, we have made several stops.

19:11We've enforced it on a bunch of different levels.

19:13We've had my traffic guys have been out there patrol guys have been out there and actually stopping them.

19:18But a lot of them do take off on us. Yes.

19:21OK, so and I'm not I'm going to ask because I know you guys aren't going to pursue them.

19:26We are not allowed to pursue it. Yeah, exactly. Well, we cannot. Exactly.

19:31So kind of my my follow up question in regards to that is are you guys still able to utilize the Fusion Center

19:42with that to be able to track those e-bikes?

19:45And we've actually been very successful with that.

19:48Yes, they've had so we've had quite a few get tracked by the Fusion Center and Claude. Yes.

19:52OK, so are you confiscating those some of those bikes?

19:56Are you ticketing what, you know, or is it on a kind of a case by case basis there?

20:01Well, we're not allowed to confiscate them.

20:04There is no mechanism for that.

20:07Former Representative Boger did have an ordinance passed that allows us to confiscate dirt bikes and ATVs.

20:16But no scooters, no scooters or e-bikes were included in that.

20:20So we are not allowed to if they meet the level of motor driven cycle.

20:25And the person does have a license, we can tow them, but they get towed.

20:29So whoever is towing for whatever company is towing that day, there's no we have no mechanism to seize them.

20:37So there's no state law that allows it.

20:39And there's no city ordinance that allows.

20:41OK, so OK, so there's no state law that allows it. OK.

20:46State allows the seizure of a mini motorcycle.

20:48And those are very, very few and far between.

20:52I haven't seen one in years, but that's the only thing they allow us to seize.

20:56OK, all right. Thank you.

20:59Thank you, Representative.

21:03So, Representative Field, you're up next, please.

21:06So I have a first I have a question.

21:09Do we have any data or understanding of the majority of the age group that drive e-bikes?

21:17It's all over the place. It's from teenagers to adults. It's everywhere.

21:22OK, my next question is, I know it's a state law.

21:27I think it's a state law in Connecticut that wearing a helmet on motorcycles is not required.

21:33But I'm wondering, is there any way as a city we could pass an e-bike law that requires helmets?

21:41The e-bike law does require a helmet.

21:46I see people all the time, no helmets, ride in the e-bikes.

21:50And then I mix me.

21:52I don't know if this has anything to do with this conversation.

21:54I even see kids in my neighborhood riding around bicycles without helmets.

21:59And it's like I always want to yell at my wife.

22:01We're walking the dog and my wife won't let me.

22:03She's like, leave him alone.

22:04I was like, no, I want to tell him put on a helmet.

22:06You're stupid.

22:07Well, the problem with that is the helmet law for bicycles is basically it's on the parents to enforce.

22:13And there's no enforcement that can be done.

22:15You can go talk to the parents.

22:16And that's all the law says you can do.

22:18There's no ticket for it or anything like that.

22:20I'm going to tell them to talk to Officer Booth.

22:23I'm going to scare him.

22:24Send the police to their house.

22:27Well, what about try?

22:30All right, so my questions are asked and answered.

22:33Thank you.

22:34In fact, I yield.

22:35Thank you, Representative Field.

22:38I'd like to recognize Representative Alston.

22:41Well, Representative Fields asked the question about the age climate because it seems like these kids were getting younger and younger riding around the town.

22:53And today I was absolutely horrified when I saw three kids on an e-bike.

23:01And the other week it was to a little boy and a big boy on the scooter.

23:07So I'm like, I don't know what kind of laws we can implement to stop that kind of behavior.

23:14And I would think that we need to think about an age limit imposing an age limit on who can ride these e-bikes and scooters and stuff.

23:27And my last question is, what is the Fusion Center?

23:33So the Fusion Center is a office in the police department that has access to different camera systems.

23:40And they like the traffic cameras and things like that.

23:43And they assist if there's an issue.

23:46Say we're looking for we have a crime that gets committed.

23:50We're looking for a suspect vehicle and things like that.

23:53They have the ability to look at the cameras and tell us where the vehicles may have gone if they have access to something over in that area.

24:00It's an office that's staffed on a squad based level.

24:06So there's somebody in there between usually 7 a.m. and 11 p.m. that can help us with that.

24:12They also have they can hook into the drones when the drones are up and out and about and look at those kind of videos and things like that.

24:19Oh, OK. There is a law for this.

24:23There is an age limit for class three e-bikes.

24:25So if you have a class three e-bike, nobody under 16 is allowed to operate.

24:30Oh, wow. OK, under 16.

24:34I you know what I think is really unfortunate for all of us who are like driving on the road and we have to, you know, be careful of them.

24:43You know, the e-bikers in and out of traffic that they're not carrying insurance.

24:48Their parents are buying the bikes and not, you know, we need to be insured, too.

24:54We need to be insured against them hitting us.

24:57And technically you are with your uninsured motorist coverage, but which is required that you have to have it by the state.

25:04But that again, that's a state law issue that I would like to I would love to see it rectified, but it's a state issue that's got to be built into the statutes.

25:13And we couldn't do anything here on the local level. Right.

25:18Again, above my knowledge, but I don't believe so.

25:21I don't know if we can enact a law to require insurance that's not required by the state.

25:27But that is something I can answer, to be honest with you. OK, would be nice.

25:31But thank you very much. Welcome.

25:34I can provide just a little color on the insurance item.

25:38I think we can do it for like the commercial operators.

25:40We have drafted that for the commercial e-bike operators.

25:44It's like, you know, any permit that requires insurance to the city.

25:49But yeah, for I would I don't know about the personal private ones.

25:54I think that may definitely fall more into the state realm.

25:56So the commercial side, it may be a possibility.

26:00So that's for like the Uber riders and all.

26:04That's who you're talking about. Yeah.

26:07What do you say insurance like with Geico and something like that?

26:12Is that what you're saying? Those kind of insurances?

26:14I mean, so admittedly, with the previous board, we actually discussed a transportation committee with the 30th board about permitting the operators of e-bike.

26:28It's like the companies themselves, not the like the riders.

26:32So like literally requiring Grubhub or Uber or DoorDash to get a permit from the city.

26:38That's part of that provide an insurance certificate to the city for their riders as well as, you know, send data to the city, have certain some requirements to the city.

26:50You know, admittedly, that review item is in October, November, last board. So that's why I kind of fizzled out. But there is some interest in that due to the fact that, you know, admittedly, these operators are probably minimum wage workers or gig economy workers.

27:07And kind of we're able to go more towards with the larger company themselves and then get insurance from larger companies.

27:12So I think we had some discussions about moving forward like that.

27:16Similar to Boston did that as well as New York City, it's also moving forward with that as well.

27:21The larger kind of swath of regulations led to e-bikes, too.

27:25OK, thank you. All right. Thank you, Representative Austin. I'd like to recognize President Shaw, please.

27:35Thank you so much, Chair Burchard. I apologize. I just joined in a little late.

27:41So if this question was asked before or this was covered, I was in an event, in a public event, at a school event.

27:48And one of the questions, one of the parents brought this up to the superintendent, actually, about the e-bikes and like how it's unsafe around the school zones.

27:57That some of these, you know, either the kids driving it or even the adults driving it.

28:01And there was some kind of incident to maybe a week ago or something in front of one of the schools.

28:05And thankfully, no one got hurt. So someone had asked if the board of ed had any policies to restrict e-bikes around the schools.

28:15And the superintendent said something like, well, he's not aware of something obviously here.

28:19He's just new. And what he has in his previous districts or in his past works locations, there is some restrictions that you can put around like having e-bikes around the school or the perimeter of the school or something like that.

28:38I don't know, Director Robis, if something like that has been discussed with the board of ed or not.

28:44And I did tell the superintendent, hey, good timing because we're kind of trying to work on some kind of ordinance and we obviously can use your input.

28:51But I didn't know if you were aware of it. And there's something that has been done in that area.

28:58Yeah. Same as you, President Shaw. I was in a discussion in a meeting and he had brought it up as well, or it had come up and we had discussed it.

29:09And we were we were I referenced we would be having this forum here and that we would follow up and see we didn't want to kind of go down one avenue for the board of ed and then another avenue for the city.

29:21So I kind of told him once we kind of get a game plan for what we're looking to do from a city ordinance standpoint, then we would get input from the board of ed as well.

29:30So they're such a big partner with us. Thank you. So we still have to do some follow up on that.

29:37Okay, that's wonderful. Perhaps. I mean, I know this there's a there's so many levels of inputs that are needed and I know you had asked Representative Blank to kind of take that.

29:49But one possible solution or not even a solution possible starting point would be to actually start getting inputs from the entire board first because I know everyone somewhere or the other has something about the e-bike.

30:02So we can all provide input to you and your committee and then we could start consolidating and then figuring out what is potentially can what are the things that can potentially go in the ordinance.

30:13So happy to have it anyway. I appreciate that.

30:17And that's that's something we should we should definitely do because there's even just doing obviously whether discussion right here, there's there's plenty of different perspectives.

30:25And I think each of us has had different experiences and would like to discuss different items that could potentially be incorporated.

30:33And we can actually shoot wide and then narrow it down and and try to make it as comprehensive as possible.

30:39But also, you know, have it go through legal review and make sure it makes sense.

30:45So appreciate that. Thank you so much. And with that, I yield.

30:49Thank you, President Shaw. I'd like to recognize Representative Adams.

30:55Yes, I guess my concern is you think we should be accident estate to require that the seller of these bikes, these e-bikes that speed more than 25 miles an hour to require the sellers of these bikes to actually drive a license.

31:15And also the one that's 50 cc that you really need a driver license to drive them.

31:22So we think we can request that at the time of sale, if the bite speak can go above 28 miles an hour, that before that bike go out the door is the person who should drive a license to take the bike out the store.

31:37Pretty much like we do a used car motorcycle, if anything, that need to drive a license.

31:42And the state does have some they did put in some regulations for sellers, nothing that asked for a license, though.

31:54They have to they can't modify the labels that come on the motorcycles.

31:58They have to they have to tell everybody they have to tell you how many watts it produces and things like that.

32:08Those are required by sellers. But I don't know the problem with that would be is you could just have somebody going there with a driver's license and then give it to their 15 year old.

32:18I don't know how that would be enforced, but it might be something that the city could look at.

32:24I'm not sure I know that the state they didn't build that into the the seller's portion.

32:29They did have some regulations passed onto the sellers, but nothing like that.

32:33But I don't know how easy that would be to enforce.

32:36But that might be a resolution that we can actually state to look at, because if if a bike can get took in from a kid that's 50 cc and over because he don't have a driver license.

32:50And maybe we should make put that burden on to sell of that bike, because right now kids could save 18 hundred hours and go down there and get a bite and then walk out the door and start driving it.

33:01And it's completely illegal. So once you get to that 50 cc, then we should put the burden on this on the seller to make that requirement.

33:12And then also the 50 cc thing in your bikes are not are completely different.

33:18They're not the same thing at all, but 50 cc are more of the gas powered scooters, but that's just part of the law that makes it a motor driven cycle.

33:26They're they're mentioned along with the bikes that generate more than 750 watts of power in the new statute.

33:33That's the reason I mentioned that. But they are completely different.

33:38I was looking at some of the stuff from the state and it was talking about anything over 50 cc require a license to drive them.

33:46But I know a few kids got their bike confiscated because it was over 50 cc and the kids were 16 years old.

33:54So the bike was tooken from them because they shouldn't have been on it.

33:58But well, we can tell them if you don't have a license, if you're if you're driving what's called a motor driven cycle and you're required to have a license and you get caught

34:06and you don't have a driver's license, we can tell it we we just tow it to the tow yard.

34:10But yeah, we can tell that so they can they don't lose it.

34:14They can go get it back, but we can tell it.

34:16Yeah, but I think with the stories fee and the toll fee is about 500, 700 hours.

34:21But the kid was telling me so wouldn't surprise me.

34:24Yeah. Yeah. OK, thank you.

34:26Thank you, Representative Adams. Representative Blank, did you ask another question?

34:33You're on mute, David. David, you're on mute. OK, I'll pass over Representative Blank and I'll recognize Representative Field.

34:58Did you have another question? Yeah, I did. Sergeant Booth, you mentioned that it's a law for e-bike riders.

35:05To have a helmet, right? Yes. Do we does the police actively pull people over to give them tickets if they're not wearing the helmet?

35:15Well, if they commit another violation, you cannot. We're not specifically stopping you for for not wearing a helmet.

35:23No, that hasn't been something that we've been really enforcing at the moment because we're more worried about the moving violations that we're seeing than we are about the helmet violations going through traffic lights and almost causing crashes and things like that.

35:35Interesting. I'm just worried about the health of the rider that it seems to me it would be important to pull them over and give them a ticket or something to kind of influence them, try to go get a helmet on because then if they again, that's again, if they stop for us.

35:52OK, thank you. OK, thank you. President Shaw, did you have another question? Is your hands still up? Representative Adams, did you have another question?

36:15No, we put my hand down, sorry. OK, Representative DeLa. Yeah, I think. Thank you, chair. I think Sergeant Booth brought up a very good point.

36:29And with the e-bikes, it's the enforcement aspect, you know, and, you know, a lot of these people, even if they're adults, you know, but especially the kids, if patrol pulls them over, they're they're fleeing, you know.

36:49So any good intention on a helmet or whatever is going to be difficult to enforce.

36:57And I think as a committee and as a board, that's something we need to keep in mind when we're writing this and whatever ordinance that we do come up with is the enforceability of it.

37:08They can't pursue them, you know, and they shouldn't be pursuing them on top of that because it's unsafe for everyone.

37:17But I think that's what we need to consider is an avenue that is truly preventing this and how we are making this enforceable, because I think that's where we're going to go.

37:29Our intentions can be great, but making this something that's enforceable is going to be challenged because so many of these e-bikes, if a patrol officer puts on their lights, they're going to go and be gone somewhere.

37:44And you're never going to see them until two days later. And then you're looking for them on the camera.

37:49So I think that's just what we need to be thinking about and kind of looking in.

37:53And I know you mentioned about, you know, the confiscating.

37:56I think that's also something we should look into legal and how that is at the state level and if municipalities have any authority for that, you know, especially for repeat offenders.

38:08And with that, I yield.

38:10So the state law does allow for that as long as you have a city ordinance, by the way.

38:16So you can make an ordinance that allows you to seize these types of vehicles if they're operating illegally and recklessly.

38:24They did the same thing with street takeover. They did it with dirt bikes and ATVs.

38:29There is an avenue for that, but that's on the city's end, as is I don't know if anybody mentioned this yet, but part of the problem is these guys operate on sidewalks a lot.

38:38And the state allows that unless the city has an ordinance, which the state of Stanford actually does not have an ordinance that prohibits bicycles on the sidewalks.

38:48So that might be one of the first avenues that the board might want to take that would actually help with safety as well instead of involving pedestrians walk out of stores and things like that.

38:57But there are avenues for the city to be able to do things like you're talking about, like seizing these different vehicles.

39:05But it has to come on the city's end. But there are avenues for that on the state level.

39:10Thank you for mentioning that, because I think I wasn't sure about that.

39:13Like, personally, I think that's probably more of a route we should be thinking about doing, especially in things for clarifying if it is the municipality has the authority to do that.

39:26So I don't think there's going to be a way for certain, especially for people that have done this more than once, to stop that, because there's not enforceability avenue.

39:37And I think there's something we should be considering as a committee and as a board. Thank you.

39:41Yeah. Thank you very much, Representative Dielo. That's, you know, and I think maybe drilling down a little bit relative to the size and the watts produced relative to what would be allowed on sidewalks.

39:58Because I certainly see some of the smaller scooters operated by typically younger people.

40:04I don't think necessarily think we want to be pushing them out into traffic, but certainly some of the larger vehicles, you know, the electric powered dirt bikes, we should probably drill down and figure out whether or not we want to exclude them from from sidewalks.

40:19So a little diligence there. I'll go back to recognize Representative Blank. Are you good to ask your question?

40:27And unfortunately, you're still on mute. Sorry. I think I saw you come off a while ago, but I'm going to I'm going to go back to President Shah.

40:42Are you still on? And do you have your hand raised? OK. Representative Dielo, your hand is still up.

40:57Do you have a follow up? Oh, good. Sorry about that. OK. David, are you ready?

41:07Yes, I'm ready. My apologies. I love to check when it doesn't work for you.

41:14My apologies. First, I want to thank Officer Booth and and and our other members of the city that have shown up today for coming and giving us the highlights of their frustrations as well.

41:30Nice. And we're not the only ones. I have one question for Officer Booth on with respect to enforcement. And I know this answer will not be or if he provides an answer will not be the be all and all.

41:52But and I know that it's up to the city, a.k.a. us to write the ordinance. The issue of enforcement is is difficult with any type of two wheel vehicle, I'm sure.

42:09Right. And you don't want to chase these people through sitting streets and roads and whatnot.

42:14And I know that's wickedly dangerous. And for all people concerned, including the general public, not that I need an answer now.

42:26And as far as pulling them over, no, it's difficult to enforce anything on motorcycles or the same way.

42:31Yeah. And I get that. And I truly understand the chaos that causes and the consternation of the officers who attempt to do right.

42:42The state does mandate helmets and they do mandate reflectors and lights.

42:48And I read through the state ordinance. Right. Of course, one of the things that Representative Adams brought up was forced to stores.

42:58But most of these vehicles are purchased online and they're delivered to that people's front door from Amazon or whoever.

43:07And they don't care. They deliver it to anybody. And as long as the money crosses hands, you have your vehicle.

43:17And again, I understand the degree that that causes the police department and safety entities within the city.

43:26I just want to put it out there as a nugget to help us all get to someplace.

43:34And if we could think about how we would enforce the laws that are currently on the books with respect to these things and add to them the the issues that we would like to see in the city of Stanford complete.

43:46So again, I'm just feel free to email me, give me some nuggets, some information that might be useful.

43:54And I will be more than happy to share with the board and with this this committee, especially we do need to get something that makes the laws we can currently enforce are already in place.

44:08Like we can afford, you know, when you're on a bicycle or a bike or a thing like that, you are required by law to obey motor vehicle statutes.

44:15We can't enforce those laws. Yeah, no, no, I know the service red lights, things like that.

44:19Those are enforceable. Right. OK. I know it's very difficult. I just it's not easy to do. Yes.

44:27No, I get it. All right. So I yield. Thank you. Thank you for your time again.

44:32Yeah. But if I could just add something on that note, you know, clearly enforcement is very difficult for these situations.

44:39And when we talk about police pursuing, you know, these individuals in traffic areas, high traffic areas, you know,

44:50the goal is not to chase and have somebody get killed or get seriously injured because you're trying to stop them because they don't have their helmet on.

44:59So, you know, when I mentioned earlier about the complexities of this issue,

45:03and I think that's why a lot of jurisdictions across the country are struggling to find the balance as far as enforcement goes in my conversations

45:13with Sergeant Booth, like most of the things that we could enforce for them drivers driving recklessly are already on the books.

45:21It's just a challenge to be able to do that safely. Right now.

45:25So as we move forward with this ordinance, you know, I would strongly recommend and suggest that really the goal of the city ordinance

45:35should be specifically geared around educating people and making sure that we partner with some of our larger partners,

45:42like maybe establishments that sell bikes, the board of ed, who has a large population,

45:48even some of our Chamber of Commerce downtown, because a lot of people are taking adults are taking these devices back and forth to work.

45:59But the real core of the issue should be geared around promoting safety, you know, through.

46:07Yeah, because the way the ordinances work, it's not really we have state statute to go right to enforcement.

46:15The goal of the ordinance is to give the warning, educate somebody to correct the behavior.

46:20And then if there's a second violation, then it could escalate to punitive.

46:25So, you know, I would strongly suggest as we go through this process and get input that we keep in mind the goal is to educate people and promote safety.

46:36So some of the things that were discussed here tonight are, you know, in the material that Jeff provided, the state statute,

46:45the language with helmets, it's very vague. It says wear a helmet.

46:49Well, you know, if you're going 25 miles an hour, you know, weaving through traffic, a bike helmet is really not going to cut it.

46:57So maybe we could go a step beyond that in Stanford and require a DOT helmet.

47:04Those are the little things that, you know, we could take it a step above.

47:09Requiring in certain situations like like Luke had mentioned, maybe commercial applications requiring a reflective vest.

47:19You know, that's a safety issue that's not only protecting the rider, but it's also protecting the vehicle operators who are going to end up striking one of these people that are not visible in traffic in our busy streets downtown.

47:34Another good one that Sergeant Booth pointed out was the gap in the state statute with bikes on sidewalks.

47:42So, you know, that's another one.

47:44We get a ton of complaints downtown with, you know, groups of e-bike riders and scooter riders on the sidewalks.

47:52So but then again, Rep Bouchard made a great point where we have to kind of dig deep into that and not just paint everything with a broad brush and saying, you know,

48:03no scooters or anything on the sidewalks.

48:06So that's the only point I really wanted to make because you brought up the enforcement aspect.

48:10I think going forward with this ordinance, that should be like the goal is to make sure that education and promoting overall safety for the e-bike rider, for pedestrians and quite frankly, even the vehicle operators.

48:25Because if the vehicle operator has to swerve to avoid one of these people and, you know, creates a serious motor vehicle accident or runs into a pole, that's that's a really serious safety issue.

48:40So, you know, as we move forward, I just would hope that we keep that thought in mind.

48:45Thank you. Thank you.

48:49Thank you, Mr. De Rubis. It's a very clear points there in as far as the education.

48:57And I don't know if there's any outreach from the police department or any continuity at this point between the police and the board of ed to, you know, maybe have during school assemblies or some sort of events within the school system.

49:16And I think the education aspect of what laws exist, the classifications of the different size of cycles and what is required for the operators.

49:27I'm more than willing to accept that the parents and certainly in the users and the riders have no idea of what laws are applicable to them when they're mounting these vehicles and riding them around.

49:39So the outreach aspect, I think, has to be a big part of going forward.

49:43And then, of course, the parent teacher associations would be an excellent venue to reach out there.

49:48So, you know, I think these parents buy these these vehicles for their kids and hope for the best, but don't understand the legal implications for their kids using them.

50:00I'd like to recognize Representative De La Cruz. Did you have a question?

50:06Thank you. Not a question, but a comment.

50:11I was going to talk about the helmets issue and I'm very empathetic with Officer's Booth challenge in priorities of enforcement.

50:28And I also empathize with representative field feelings about helmets.

50:35I haven't read many stories about helmetless riders in emergency rooms and having a relative that works in an emergency room.

50:47The need to educate, as director de Rube said, about the safety aspects of wearing helmets cannot be emphasized enough.

51:03So I think we should give that a lot of focus. We drive towards an ordinance and the matter of education on our ordinances.

51:14In general, I have advocated that we should have an educational program on all our ordinances, especially the ones that affect safety because residents don't deliberately want to disobey an ordinance.

51:32In many cases, they don't even know it exists.

51:35So the education aspect in this area is, I think, very important and we should pursue. Thank you, Chair Richard. I yield.

51:47Thank you, Representative De La Cruz. And I will give President Shaw. I still see her hand up and I don't know if she has any additional comments.

51:54OK, so we've talked about this for quite a bit and I think we've kind of have divined our path forward to a certain extent.

52:04And I look forward to everybody's cooperation and certainly the support of Representative Blank as we put our thoughts together and push forward to putting a cohesive ordinance together.

52:17So at this point, I'd like to entertain a motion to conclude discussion and move on to item three.

52:22So moved. Second. Second.

52:27Those in favor of voice vote, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. So wrap up item number two and move on to item number three.

52:40So this is item PS 32.015 from the agenda.

52:45It is a review of the Stanford Air Quality Monitoring Program.

52:50And to lead the discussion this evening is Miss Jodi Bishop-Poland, who is the director of Health and Human Services here for the City of Stanford.

52:59At this point, I'd like to turn it over for her remarks. Thank you, Miss Bishop-Poland.

53:05Good evening, everyone. Thank you for having us.

53:08We are happy to be here to give you the update overview and update on the Air Quality Monitoring Program.

53:17I also want to just piggyback on the previous discussion about that we have concerns about safety in this area as well and are willing to collaborate on health promotion

53:29and have done some on this subject. So I just wanted to put that out there.

53:35So with the Air Monitoring Program, I am going to introduce Deepika Kushalani, who is our manager of public health programs.

53:43I'm hoping that we can get her share access so she can share the presentation.

53:50She is there. There she is, manager of public health programs and has been managing the grant that we had with the EPA and took on the

53:59expansion that we are talking about this evening.

54:03And I also want to mention that we are both going to the American Public Health Association meeting this weekend and through a couple of days next week.

54:17We will be presenting this at that conference.

54:22It is an honor that we had our submission of our abstract describing this program selected.

54:31And we are really excited that we are putting Stanford on the map once again.

54:39And I do thank you for all of your support and assistance getting this program going for our residents.

54:51So I'll turn it over to Deepika and let her take it from here.

54:57Some of you are not as familiar with the program as others, so we're going to just start at the beginning real quick.

55:02Yes. Thank you, Judy.

55:05So our program started back in 2021 with deployment of 10 Purple Air monitors.

55:12They were low grade monitors that only measured PM 2.5 at the time.

55:17And since then, we have deployed seven highly comprehensive monitors, which are, as you see on the map on the right, the arrows are pointing to the comprehensive monitors that are across Stanford now.

55:32This is just an overview of what the grant at the time was about.

55:39We were set out to build capacity of our community residents to measure these air pollutants in real time and also educate them to make data informed lifestyle choices.

55:52We have worked with several partners over the course of many now almost two years, actually, and we had several community meetings.

56:01And this is just a scope of the work that went behind to date.

56:09One of the first community meetings that we had, we actually engaged our residents in the South and West End to come and share their feedback on where these monitors should be placed because it is their neighborhood that they know best.

56:23So the image on the left is an image of our meeting and the image on the right is the activity that we engaged our residents in.

56:32They were given a map and asked them to tell us where they would like monitor.

56:37We took that feedback and went back to the drawing board with our technical experts and deployed three monitors in our community and they have been at work since then.

56:50Our team also provided a lot of education and awareness using the materials from EPA and other technical partners.

56:58We have been encouraging residents to sign up for air alerts so they can make informed decisions and not wait for an alert from the city.

57:08So we also provided materials if I may.

57:11I'm sorry, Representative De La Cruz, I'd like to allow her to walk through her presentation and we can ask her questions and I'll open it up at the end.

57:21Thank you.

57:22Yeah, the question. I don't have a question, but it is going so fast that I can really absorb the slide and then it changes to the next one.

57:33Can we slow down a little bit?

57:35I can do that.

57:37Good point. Thank you.

57:38Sorry about that. So I'll continue with the slide and try to slow down my pace.

57:46So as I was saying, we provided materials in three different languages, English, Asian,

57:52Christian and Spanish, and have been encouraging our residents to sign up for these air alerts.

57:59This is a view of our dashboard that is housed on the city website.

58:07The link is here. The air quality page.

58:09If you go, you will see this dashboard on the left.

58:13There are seven monitors, like I mentioned, upon hovering on one, the right window pops out.

58:19It will tell you what the status of the quality air quality is at that monitor at the time.

58:25It will give you some recommendations.

58:27And if you want, you can click on the button that is yellow here and sign up for an alert to receive on your phone or email.

58:36And you can subscribe to as many monitors as you like or one in your neighborhood.

58:43The QR code also takes you to that landing page.

58:47And the website also has all the materials housed.

58:53Earlier this summer, we with our partners wanted to reflect on the data that we have been collecting over the past one year.

59:04And just to get to know what is the air our city is experiencing.

59:10So we found consistent patterns across all three monitors.

59:15And this is from July. So only three monitors were deployed at that time.

59:20So we found consistency across all monitors, except the west side, which due to the neighborhood factors might have higher readings.

59:30And the data I want to mention is quality assured by the partners from Eric Wall, who are based in New Zealand.

59:38And they provide jury timely updates on the data quality.

59:45This is just a view of what our air looks like in general.

59:49It is good. And like I mentioned, at the west side, we had a little bit more instances of moderate to a sensitive group.

1:00:00We plan to explore the data more now that we have seven monitors. These are

1:00:08just the four additional monitors at work at the new locations and this is

1:00:18the admin dashboard that we at the department have access to so we can

1:00:23compare across these locations at any time, see what the air quality is and be

1:00:30able to make data informed decisions for resources across those neighborhoods.

1:00:34This is still building as the monitors were still recently deployed so we only

1:00:41have like two month worth of data at this point but once we are three or

1:00:46four months into the data we might explore more into it. So as we know

1:00:53we've been witnessing increasing heat waves, wildfire events and increase in

1:00:58traffic related air pollution which is why this program is very relevant for us.

1:01:03It allows us to access real-time data, keep us informed and make sure that we

1:01:10keep our residents informed. In terms of our capacity at the department we've

1:01:15been using the data to develop our programs, apply for additional funding

1:01:19and also inform our partners to make better decisions. These are just our

1:01:29partners and without them we couldn't have completed this project.

1:01:37Thank you. Thank you very much for the presentation. I'll just kind of open up

1:01:47with questions. So you're building the database right now so what are you

1:01:54communicating to your partners? Is there a practical application for the

1:01:59data you're collecting right now? So the first level of that is to

1:02:06make sure residents are aware of how the air quality might affect them

1:02:12personally. So for example if you are in a sensitive group then you and you get

1:02:17an alert that it's unhealthy for sensitive groups you might just make a

1:02:22different decision about your activity outside that day. If you know for

1:02:27anybody you might decide that if you're watching the air quality overall or if

1:02:34you get an alert you will run in the morning or do outside activities in the

1:02:38morning rather than waiting until the afternoon when the air quality tends to

1:02:41be more you know poorer. We know that the summer because of the heat and with

1:02:47these increasing heat waves the air quality tends to be and you know the

1:02:53humidity does have an impact on the air quality so that does affect people. So

1:02:57those are the immediate effects of the data and how we're using it and we hope

1:03:03that residents we use it we don't have as many people signed up as we would

1:03:09like we don't you know we've we've done a lot of outreach we're at events

1:03:14tabling it's really easy to get people's attention when they remember

1:03:18the wildfires and when it's when the air quality you know overall though

1:03:25doesn't you know doesn't I think is maybe not as interesting as some other

1:03:29topics that people are worried about and the next step is we do we did have some

1:03:36funding we have another project that we worked on with the Connecticut State

1:03:40Department of Public Health around response planning for air quality and

1:03:47heat so we did work with partners on that as well and making we got again get

1:03:54input in terms of what they need to know and how they want to receive the

1:03:58information including parents including you know staff at schools and at

1:04:03preschools so so we are working on implementing that that will be the next

1:04:09step in the next round of funding to implement that so that is a way that we

1:04:13can use practically use our air quality in a larger sense and then eventually we

1:04:19will be looking at how we can impact policy make sure that you know we have

1:04:25data it's even in the comprehensive plan the use of air quality data to

1:04:30support you know healthy air health you know health you know decisions about

1:04:36transportation and other areas that that could be supported in policy is

1:04:42that I hope that helps yeah no thank you very much and I think again the

1:04:47outreach to the schools being you know pretty critical here and now they're

1:04:51making decisions as far as athletics and sports events but also as a conduit

1:04:56to ensure that you know the parents reckon you know understand that this is

1:05:01a resource available to them and just you know maybe even into given this is

1:05:07a new fresh data set you're building you know there might be some interest

1:05:11from some of the high school students to study that as far as some of their

1:05:14coursework and statistics are yeah anyway so thank you very much I'd like

1:05:19to open up for questions right now and I recognize representative Adams yes hi

1:05:25Jodi thank you for the presentation it was very good and very educational is

1:05:31this any way well back up a little bit I think monitor is that CTE center right

1:05:38the one for the south end see that the Lathan wider is there any way that we

1:05:47could locate it more like on Cornell Street where our industrial plants are

1:05:54that we can pick up real data cuz right now they would have to travel almost two

1:06:00blocks two and a half blocks to really read any pollution I mean it'll be nice

1:06:06if we can get it at the bank or something you know the bank right on

1:06:09the corner bomb Cornell Street and Henry Street I think so either CVS yeah so

1:06:20it would give us a better reading of what pollution is in the area I mean

1:06:25just a thought if we could get it yeah close I think you were on some of those

1:06:29discussions we had a lot of discussion about you know finding places that we

1:06:34could actually use to mount even getting even getting them on city

1:06:40buildings was quite a chore as you see you'd need something to put it on so

1:06:44and it can't be against the building so so all of those things and when it's a

1:06:52private building then we'd have to work with that owner of that building to try

1:06:56to make that happen it it it was quite a challenge for us to get that to get

1:07:03appropriate sites we we even tried for we wanted to have it at the park it's

1:07:13just there were so many things that didn't didn't work out for actually

1:07:20getting them mounted having them be plugged in remember they need

1:07:24electricity we do have it so they are on cell service they are which our

1:07:28department is supporting they're not on Wi-Fi so that took one piece of it away

1:07:34in terms of you know a requirement but it still needs electricity and still

1:07:40needs a proper mounting we couldn't do that with solar panel to provide

1:07:48enough liquidity since there's a low wattage instrument yeah right we did

1:07:54inquire about that there's some limitations to that like you need Sun

1:07:58um and urban areas sometimes I'm always good for you know because there's a lot

1:08:02of shadowing and then there's the there could be that vandalism and things like

1:08:11that so there we did talk to the vendor about it but they often do that in

1:08:15other kinds of settings okay thank you and I yield thank you representative

1:08:24Adams recognize representative field yeah I was just wondering if you could

1:08:28share the presentation with us mm-hmm yes thank you great presentation great

1:08:35job everyone did thank you I'd like to recognize representative dealer Cruz

1:08:43thank you G.R. Machar and I'd also like I'll be looking at the presentation thank

1:08:51you so much it would be available from through the board of reps let me first

1:08:57segue with representative Adams on the location of the monitors you know as you

1:09:07know I think pursuing this subject for many many years my motivation was

1:09:15learning the asthma rates in my district waterside the south end east side downtown

1:09:26and then later I learned that the life expectancy in those areas is about eight

1:09:36to ten years lower than the life expectancy of Stanford residents in the

1:09:42northern regions so I felt that there was really a need to try to even up the

1:09:52situation so that those of us on the southern part of Stanford don't have

1:10:00that kind of situation so it's as you know it's been a very important subject

1:10:08for me now with respect to the location of the monitors if we look at the slides

1:10:16they are up in the air 15 20 feet up the EPA guidelines are that they should

1:10:28be three to six feet off the ground in what the EPA calls the breathing zone

1:10:36for example in the areas that I outlined the emergency medical services

1:10:49calls for respiratory issues are over a thousand per year most of and they have

1:10:59about 50 60 types of calls that they monitor most of them are in the hundreds

1:11:0650 70 30 prespiratory calls are over a thousand and most of them are from the

1:11:15areas waterside south and east side and the downtown so it is important to really

1:11:30try to resolve this discrepancy with respect to lifestyle changes and

1:11:43choices very few of us have control over what we can do on day-to-day we have to

1:11:52go to work we have to do what we have to do few of us can maybe some many

1:11:59unfortunate among us can decide to stay home because the air outside is not

1:12:08healthy but many of us most of us don't have that lifestyle choice so we need to

1:12:17really address the issue with enforceable action my understanding if

1:12:29Jodi correctly if I'm wrong that the monitors that we have selected the last

1:12:37time we looked were not of the enforceable quality is that correct they

1:12:46are not used for enforcement no those are different type of monitor yes so

1:12:58what what then what can we do to try to have some corrective action done to

1:13:05mitigate the problem I'm I'll interrupt just quickly here because it's very

1:13:14often I think you have some very relevant points representative dealer

1:13:17cruise but the air quality monitoring program is not in necessarily intended

1:13:24to be an enforcement action it is to establish you know a baseline

1:13:29understanding of you know where our communities are you know potentially you

1:13:35seeing that differentiation but enforcement is a different item I don't

1:13:40want to steal from represent a Poland's response but I just want to be careful

1:13:44that we're not veering off into something that's particularly relevant

1:13:48so but I appreciate your question so I'll turn it over to this if I may

1:13:54clarify the enforcement matter when this effort started the need was to

1:14:04submit to the state a plan that the state would approve for Stanford to

1:14:14have its program that plan it would include an enforcement action since

1:14:26that resolution was passed the board passed a resolution requiring that such

1:14:35a program be pursued no plan was submitted to the state that provided the

1:14:48opportunity to include enforcement action so I have been advocating for

1:14:56all these years that such a plan to be submitted by the state to the state for

1:15:03approval be prepared and submitted so that Stanford can have a plan and their

1:15:11quality monitoring program that it can take action on I can forward to a

1:15:21committee the resolution that the board pass are requiring such a plan okay I'd

1:15:29appreciate that because that's that's certainly the first time I've heard of

1:15:31it yes unfortunately most of us of my colleagues are new so there is a lot of

1:15:40history to try to share and catch up but okay I would I would put together a

1:15:46document summarizing that history I appreciate that representative you look

1:15:53Cruz and and I do want to we're getting over to an hour and 15 minutes in the

1:15:57meeting so I do want to make some progress and your views and obviously this is a

1:16:01item that's been you know a focus for you so I definitely appreciate your

1:16:06your feedback and color and I look forward to taking a look at the

1:16:08resolution from the fire board okay I would yield for now okay yeah I look

1:16:15forward to our future conversations thank you representative dealer Cruz

1:16:18representative Adam did you have another question no I forgot to put my hand down

1:16:25sorry okay appreciate it so at this point I do want to take a minute and recognize

1:16:30that we did we're joined by a member of the Commission you know representative

1:16:35Graham so if we can capture that into the record I'd appreciate it so at this

1:16:40point I'd like to entertain a motion to conclude tonight's meeting in an adjourn

1:16:45motion to conclude second thank you very much voice vote to approve to

1:16:55approve the conclusion of the discussion and adjournment of the meeting

1:16:59motion all the say aye aye and he knows great appreciate it thank you very much

1:17:09in particular for the folks from the city who dialed in and supported the

1:17:14conversation you know the tremendous effort and I know it's getting late so

1:17:18thank you all very much and look forward to working with you in the future

1:17:21take care have a good night thanks everyone thank you tonight thank you