2026-10-12 - Planning Commission

00:00Roll call.

00:03>> Commissioner Guzman

00:05>> present.

00:05>> Commissioner Leo

00:07>> here.

00:08>> Commissioner Oliva.

00:10>> Commissioner Fam

00:12>> here.

00:13>> Commissioner Woo

00:14>> here.

00:15>> Vice Chair Beninger

00:17>> present.

00:18>> Chair Ramos.

00:21Vice Chair Corum has been reached at 532

00:24with Commissioner Oliva and Chair Ramos

00:26absent.

00:28>> Thank you. We'll start off with the

00:30pledge of allegiance. Can I ask fam to

00:32lead us please?

00:40United States of America

00:43for one nation under God, indivisible,

00:48liberty and justice.

00:52Here she comes.

00:55I didn't see you come in.

01:07Thank you, Vice Chair Beninger, for

01:08leading us in the pledge.

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01:33>> Thank you, Chair. For the record, Chair

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02:56>> Thank you. Moving on to public comments

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03:33We do have one person in house.

03:39Thank you. Gay Olivos, would you like to

03:42step forward? You have three minutes.

03:44Thank you.

03:46>> You want to come talk about? Okay. Good

03:49evening, council commissioners, staff,

03:53staff. Okay. I come here because I want

03:56you to know that the last sunshine

03:58meeting for the one Broadway Plaza is

04:00unacceptable.

04:02This developer had the audacity to bring

04:04in a third party and they made us answer

04:07questions on a card that was maybe 3x5

04:11in of that. Didn't allow us to speak.

04:14Didn't have any of the questions

04:16answered that we asked as concerned

04:18citizens. We requested a second sunshine

04:21meeting from this team here saying that

04:23that was unacceptable and they denied

04:25it. They said that it was acceptable

04:27with the what the developer provided.

04:29So, I'm here to disagree with that. Um,

04:32and after further brainstorming with

04:35other community leaders, I still think

04:39that this development when this team

04:41here in front of me, not you

04:43commissioners, but the ones in 2020,

04:46when you approve the change of the scope

04:48of work, it should have gone back to the

04:50voters. The voters approved measure A

04:53under a certain scope of work for the

04:55one Broadway Plaza. In 2020 that

04:58developer came upon you which you

05:00approved and went city council which

05:03they approved but you did not have the

05:05right to do so when the changes of scope

05:08of work affected the majority of the

05:09citizens of Santa Ana. If there's a

05:11change in the scope of work which they

05:13did tremendously in 2020 and needs to go

05:16back to the voters for approval. Nobody

05:19on this team on this dis council dis has

05:22the right to change measure A which the

05:24voters approved. he wants changes, go

05:27back to the voter and have him pay for

05:29it. Also, I want to make sure that you

05:31remind planning commission here that

05:34they work for us, the people. They don't

05:36work for the developer. They don't work

05:38for you. They don't work for city

05:40council. They work for us. Just a final

05:42reminder of that. Thank you.

05:46>> Thank you.

05:49Seeing as there are no more speakers,

05:51moving on to the consent calendar where

05:53it's one motion for all consent items

05:55unless an item is pulled for separate

05:57discussion. Is there a motion to approve

05:59item A, minutes from September 28th,

06:022026 and item B, excuse absences?

06:05>> I move to approve.

06:07>> Second.

06:08>> Thank you. We have a motion from Vice

06:10Chair Beninger and [snorts] we have a

06:12second from Commissioner Guzman.

06:15Secretary, can you please call for a

06:16roll call vote? Commissioner Guzman.

06:20>> Hi.

06:21>> Commissioner Leo.

06:22>> Hi.

06:23>> Commissioner Oliva.

06:25>> Commissioner Fam.

06:26>> I.

06:27>> Commissioner Woo.

06:28>> I.

06:29>> Vice Chair Beninger.

06:30>> I.

06:31>> Chair Ramos.

06:33>> I.

06:34>> Motion approved by majority vote with

06:36Commissioner Oliva absent.

06:38>> Thank you. That concludes the consent

06:40calendar items. Moving on to the public

06:42hearing. I will now review the process

06:44for the public hearing so that everyone

06:45knows what to expect. Staff will provide

06:48a presentation and answer questions from

06:49the commission. The public hearing will

06:51be opened. The applicant will be given

06:53the opportunity to speak, limited to 15

06:56minutes. Members of the public will be

06:58given the opportunity to comment,

07:00limited to 3 minutes. The applicant will

07:02be given the opportunity to respond to

07:04comments made by the public, limited to

07:065 minutes. The public hearing will be

07:08closed. Discussion will return to the

07:10commission with formal action taken to

07:12approve, deny, or continue review of the

07:14application. Please consider the

07:16following suggestions when organizing

07:18your comments. Please state your name.

07:20State whether you support, oppose, or

07:22are neutral of the proposal. Your

07:24statement should include all pertinent

07:25facts within your knowledge. Please

07:27note, decisions on these matters are

07:29final unless appealed within 10 days by

07:31any interested individual or party.

07:34Recommendations on these matters will be

07:35forwarded to the city council at a later

07:37date for final determination.

07:41Now on item one, this is the time and

07:44place for tentative track map number

07:452026-000010

07:48and density bonus agreement number

07:492026-02

07:51for the properties located at 3317 3319,

07:553321, 3327 and 3401 West Fifth Street

08:00located within the Harbor Mixeduse

08:01Transit Corridor Spacific Plan SP2.

08:05Before we begin, do any commissioners

08:06have anything they wish to disclose with

08:08regard to this item?

08:11Great. Seeing as there are no

08:12disclosures, the case planner, Nancy

08:14Tran, will provide a brief presentation.

08:17>> Thank you. Good evening, commissioners.

08:19The item before you is the Fifth Street

08:21Town Home Development Project located at

08:233317 through3401 West Fifth Street in

08:26Ward 5.

08:28The applicant is requesting approvals of

08:30a tenative track map and density bonus

08:32agreement to construct a 20 unit for

08:34sale town home community which includes

08:36one deed restricted unit affordable to a

08:39very lowincome [clears throat] household

08:40on an underutilized infill site. Staff

08:43recommends that the commission adopt a

08:44resolution approving tenative trackm

08:46number 202610 as conditioned and adopt a

08:49resolution approving one concession and

08:51four waiverss or reductions in

08:53development standards as memorialized in

08:56density bonus agreement number 20262 as

08:59condition.

09:01The subject property's general plan

09:03designation is urban neighborhood medium

09:05low UN30. It's within the harbor

09:08mixeduse transit corridor specific plan

09:10or SB2 and the neighborhood transitional

09:13sub zone. Surrounding land uses include

09:15multif family residential north, single

09:18family residential to the east, vacant

09:20parcels, a church and open storage to

09:22the south, and a salvage yard to the

09:24west. The project includes five

09:26contiguous parcels totaling just over

09:283/4 of an acre.

09:32This is the photo of the project site.

09:37With respect to the site background, the

09:39five parcels previously accommodated a

09:41variety of uses including car storage,

09:44general contracting activities,

09:45residential and auto repair. The site is

09:48partially developed with a warehouse

09:49building, a vacant residence, and a

09:52concrete paved area that was most

09:53recently used for vehicle storage. The

09:56applicant submitted a development

09:57project review application on April

09:5910th, 2026 and following its completion

10:03submitted discretionary applications on

10:05August 24th, 2026.

10:10The project proposes construction of a

10:11three-story 20 unit forale town home

10:14community. The development will include

10:163,144 square ft of common and private

10:19open space. Units range from 1,964 to

10:232,636 square feet with three to four

10:26bedrooms and three to four bathrooms and

10:28a two-car garage. In addition, in

10:31addition to the garage parking, the

10:33project will provide one on-site guest

10:34space designated as ADA and 10 on street

10:37parking spaces for a total of 51 total

10:40spaces exceeding code requirement. There

10:43will be on-site bicycle parking and as

10:45mentioned earlier, one of the 20 units

10:46will be affordable to a very lowincome

10:48household. As part of the project, the

10:50applicant is seeking a track map to

10:52subdivide the units for individual town

10:54home ownership and a density bonus

10:56agreement for concession and waiverss to

10:57deviate from certain development

10:59standards to facilitate project

11:01development.

11:04This slide shows the breakdown of the

11:05unit types within the project. 20% of

11:07the units are three bedrooms and 80% are

11:10four bedrooms ranging from three to four

11:12bathrooms.

11:16This slide compares parking requirements

11:18under state density bonus law and the

11:20harbor specific plan standards. Under

11:23state density bonus parking ratios, the

11:24project requires 46 spaces and under SP2

11:28standards, the project requires 45

11:30spaces. The project proposes 51 spaces

11:33exceeding both state density and SP2

11:35parking requirements.

11:39The 20 units will be within four

11:41buildings cited around uh Hammerhead

11:43Drive. The affordable unit is

11:45highlighted in red and will be interior

11:46to the site adjacent to the common open

11:48space area or one of the common open

11:50space areas.

11:54This is the for plan for the forplex

11:56building on the northeast end of the

11:58site.

12:01These are uh this is the fiveplex. Um

12:03there are two buildings and they're

12:05fronting fifth street

12:08and this is the sixunit building on the

12:10north northwest end of the site.

12:15This top image is of the two fiveplex

12:17buildings as viewed from Fifth Street.

12:19And the bottom image is the north

12:21elevation of the four and six unit

12:24buildings located at the rear of the

12:26site facing Fifth Street.

12:30And these images are of the east and

12:32west elevations of the building from the

12:34property lines and from within the site.

12:40And here is the conceptual landscape

12:42plan showing the proposed project

12:44landscaping and street trees.

12:49State density bonus law is intended to

12:51encourage the projection um

12:54sorry

12:56um and availability [clears throat] of

12:58affordable housing for qualifying

13:00projects. The law allows up to five

13:02incentives and concessions and unlimited

13:04waiverss which are deviations from

13:05development standards that would help

13:08the project be built without significant

13:09burden and without detriment to public

13:11health. Local jurisdictions have limited

13:13authority to deny qualifying density

13:15bonus requests. One unit in the project

13:18is proposed to be affordable to a very

13:19lowincome household earning 30 to 50% of

13:22the area median income and subject to a

13:2455year term affordability.

13:29Based on the 5% very low income

13:31affordability level provided, the

13:32developer is eligible to seek a 20%

13:34bonus, which would allow five additional

13:37units above what's allowed, one

13:39concession, and unlimited waiverss. The

13:41applicant is not seeking bonus units

13:43above what's permitted. The project

13:46provides 51 parking spaces or

13:48approximately 2.55 spaces per unit. This

13:51exceeds the 45 and 46 spaces required

13:54under state density bonus law and SP2.

14:00Although not seeking additional density,

14:02the applicant is requesting deviations

14:04from several SP2 development standards

14:06to accommodate the project's design.

14:09This slide summarizes the requested

14:10concession and four waiverss which

14:12relate to open space and building to

14:14property line setback.

14:16Um for their concession, they're

14:18requesting a common open space area um

14:21deviation. 5% of the lot size is

14:24provided where 15% is required. Um and

14:28for waiverss they're requesting common

14:29open space um dimensions. Um SP2

14:33requires 20 feet in the east west

14:35direction and 15 ft in the north south

14:38direction. The project complies with the

14:39north south dimension but only provides

14:4111 and 1/2 ft east west.

14:44They are also requesting a waiver from

14:46private open space. In terms of area, 90

14:49square feet is minimum the minimum

14:51required per unit, but 18 units provide

14:54a minimum of 72 square feet. And then

14:57they are requesting a waiver from

14:59dimensions for the private open space.

15:01The minimum six feet in each direction.

15:03Half the units comply, the other half do

15:05not.

15:06And their last waiver is a waiver from

15:09the building to property line setback.

15:11SP2 requires a minimum of 20 ft for

15:13floors three and above if adjacent to a

15:15single family. Along the east there is a

15:17single family and they're providing 19

15:19and a half feet.

15:23The project satisfies the purpose of the

15:25state density bonus law and harbor

15:27mixeduse transit corridor specific plan.

15:29It is compatible with the scale of other

15:31buildings in the area. Provides enhanced

15:33building architecture such as

15:35articulation, distinct unit facads and a

15:37use of multiple solid building

15:39materials. Deviations from open space

15:42requirements are compensated for by

15:44providing recreational programming,

15:45landscaping, and amenities that make the

15:47open space areas usable to the

15:50community. The project also benefits

15:51from its proximity to Campino Park

15:54located within 100 ft east and the

15:58deviation from building to property line

16:00setbacks is compensated with enhanced

16:02and taller landscaping to provide

16:04additional perimeter screening and

16:05privacy between the development and

16:07adjacent properties.

16:12The requested tenative track map would

16:14create condominium lots necessary for

16:16individual ownership and affordable

16:17housing opportunities.

16:19Potential operational impacts would be

16:21addressed through conditions of

16:22approval. Property maintenance agreement

16:24and the project's CCNRs which would be

16:27required to include a parking management

16:29plan. The ten of track map is consistent

16:31with the California subdivision map act

16:33and chapter 34 of the municipal code and

16:35provides additional home ownership

16:36opportunities in Santa Ana. Consistent

16:39with goals and policies of the housing

16:40element.

16:43The project meets the city's affordable

16:44housing ordinance goal for the for sale

16:46category. The on-site affordable unit is

16:49designated for households earning 30 to

16:5150% of the area median income for very

16:54low income, which is currently set at

16:57$93,50 for a fourperson household.

17:01The affordable unit is $2,153

17:04square ft. Um is a four bedroomedroom,

17:06fourb unit and will be indistinguishable

17:08from the market rate units. The

17:11developer's inclusionary housing plan

17:12has been reviewed and approved by the

17:14city's housing division confirming

17:15consistency with local affordability

17:17requirements.

17:20The project is consistent with the UN

17:22medium low general plan designation. It

17:25supports the general plan vision for

17:27urban mixeduse development by

17:28redeveloping an underutilized site with

17:30ownership units and an affordable unit.

17:33It complies with the UN30 maximum

17:34development density intensity.

17:39An environmental impact report was

17:41certified in 2014 for the harbor mixuse

17:43transit corridor specific plan along

17:45with a mitigation and monitoring

17:47reporting program findings and facts and

17:50a statement of overriding

17:51considerations. The project is not

17:53anticipated to result in additional

17:54environmental impacts beyond those

17:56addressed in the 2014 EIR. The project

17:59is ex exempt from SQA as it meets the

18:02eligibility for residential infill and

18:04threshold requirements for exemptions

18:05under section 15195 and 15192.

18:09Based on this analysis, a notice of

18:12exemption, environmental review number

18:14202539 will be filed for this project.

18:18There's no fiscal impact associated with

18:20this project.

18:23Staff recommends that the planning

18:24commission adopt a resolution approving

18:26tenative track map number 202610 as

18:29condition and adopt a resolution

18:30approving one concession and four

18:32waiverss or reductions in development

18:34standards as memorialized in density

18:35bonus number 20262

18:38as condition. This concludes my

18:41presentation and I'm available for

18:42questions as well as the applicant who's

18:44in the audience.

18:46>> Thank you. Does the commission have any

18:48comments or questions for staff?

18:55Go ahead, Commissioner Fan.

18:59Nancy, historically the concept

19:02landscape plan, how true to the concept

19:06uh are the plans once executed as uh

19:08permit drawings.

19:10>> Sometimes there are changes, but um this

19:13is most likely what's going to be

19:15proposed.

19:16>> Okay. Um just because I you know the

19:19positive is that I think the landscape

19:21plan is very generous there. There's

19:23quite a bit of planting. Um a concern of

19:25mine is the cypress trees that are uh

19:29proposed at the entrance of each garage.

19:32Given that this project is quite tall

19:35and this uh essentially creates an

19:37alleyway with a quite a bit of a

19:40overhang from all the units that are

19:42proposed with the garage being so

19:45recessed in. Um, I think it'll be a

19:48hard, you know, maybe this is a

19:50discussion you will have with the

19:51applicant and their landscape architect,

19:53but uh they might have have trouble um

19:57keeping those trees alive um uh as a

20:01consideration.

20:03Um and then then my next item is on on

20:07the site plan uh there is represented um

20:11the utility closets that are open uh and

20:14accessible to the general public. Um I I

20:18wonder if there are any um language

20:21within our code to um ensure that there

20:24is secured just because um we've seen

20:27I'm sure code code code enforcement has

20:30have brought this up where uh we have

20:32people kind of breaking it into utility

20:34closets uh and this being so uh you know

20:39it's abunding a major street um I think

20:42language and discussion with the

20:44applicant on that would be important as

20:50Another um potential item that I think

20:53um warrant discussion is the um open

20:57space or private open space that is

21:00facing uh Fifth Street. It's to me

21:04compared to uh quite a bit of um

21:07projects that came before us recently,

21:10it's quite low. Um I think it's about

21:16to scale it looks like it's about three

21:17feet from the public right away. Um

21:21given that it's labeled as private open

21:23space and knowing that

21:27obviously there's going to be death

21:29packages, things like that. Um,

21:33is it within our development standards

21:35that it needs to be that low or is it

21:38was it a proposal from the applicant

21:40wanting it to be that low? Uh, you know,

21:42the private

21:45common space facing the street.

21:48>> The maximum they can actually build

21:50their building uh almost to the property

21:53line. Um, the maximum they can set their

21:55building back is 8 ft. So, they're

21:57proposing the 8 ft. um

22:01open space.

22:02>> Uh I'm talking about the the fencing,

22:04the the small kind of stout fencing that

22:07they're proposing to kind of fence off

22:09these uh

22:10>> Oh, sorry. Um the maximum allowed is um

22:133 ft.

22:13>> 3 ft. Okay. So, that that's that there's

22:16no way of getting around it. Okay. Yeah,

22:18that I think that's that's a concern of

22:20mine of both from the renderings and

22:22from the elevation. It's it's quite low.

22:25uh especially since we're considering

22:27this um private uh open space with large

22:32patio doors, glass patio doors of which

22:35would potentially bedrooms or home

22:37offices facing so close to the street.

22:41Um I think that's worth a

22:43reexamination

22:45of of whether or not that's appropriate.

22:52Feel like I'm taking everyone's time.

22:56Uh other than that, um are are we

22:59concerned that uh the kind of um quite a

23:02bit of a height difference? Uh I know

23:04that on the site plan the adjacent

23:08properties are zone R2. So it it seems

23:10like they're multif family units, but in

23:13reality they're for the most part single

23:15family, sorry, uh singlestory

23:18structures, maybe with multiple units on

23:20site. Are are we concerned about that

23:23kind of like steep drop in height and

23:26potential kind of viewing angles and

23:28privacy concerns?

23:32>> Um the buildings are three stories but

23:34they will be set back from the property

23:36lines and they will be landscaped and

23:39there will be a masonry wall. Um the

23:41landscaping I I checked um at least for

23:44the the sides the windows won't have a

23:46direct line of sight and the types of

23:48landscaping will obscure um the view

23:51into um the adjacent properties

23:54>> and we'll have a maintenance agreement

23:55with the developer that they'll have to

23:57keep um the foliage at a certain height

24:00for privacy. Is that general the general

24:02policy?

24:03>> Um we don't have one that specifies the

24:06height, but the um conditions of

24:08approval or property maintenance

24:09agreement does require um landscaping to

24:12be maintained.

24:15>> Good. If I could add, commissioner,

24:17condition five of the conditions of

24:19approval also does specify that there be

24:22um landscaping that provides um a

24:24certain height of screening. So that may

24:26address the concern that you have.

24:27>> I think that's appropriate just to make

24:29sure that it's kind of um secure for for

24:32future residences.

24:35>> Yeah. Looks like Commissioner W. Go

24:37ahead, Commissioner.

24:40>> Sorry. Are you uh done with your

24:42questions for now, Commissioner? Thank

24:43you, Commissioner W.

24:46Um in the high density corridor how far

24:51that's harbor right how far does it

24:53extend both side of the corridor

24:59>> sorry can you repeat that question

25:01>> the high density corridor how far does

25:04it extend on both side of the corridor

25:09in other word um the justification for

25:12allowing this high density

25:15uh

25:17you stated that it meets the criteria of

25:20being in a high density corridor. So I

25:23just wondering how far does it extend?

25:26You know 100 feet, 200 feet or

25:32going east and west

25:35but the cores north and south, right?

25:39>> Let me pull up a map really quick but

25:41roughly

25:41>> I can't hear you. Can you speak a

25:43little?

25:43>> Sure. Sorry about that. So the UN30 that

25:47allows for the mixeduse development uh

25:49roughly ends at Compassino Park. So this

25:52is within the boundaries of that on the

25:54north side of Fifth Street and then on

25:56the south side of Fifth Street. It

25:57extends further west going all the way

26:00toward um the let's see the gated

26:04community off of Fifth. So this is kind

26:07of at the periphery of that corridor. So

26:11it's it's a pretty wide swat, right?

26:16>> Yes. This is a a corridor that leads

26:18into the major corridor which is Harbor.

26:20So this is considered a transition into

26:22the uh harbor corridor that allows even

26:25higher densities.

26:27And I'm being redundant because we just

26:29updated the zone and we have had

26:31meetings uh for the adoption of the

26:34general plan and we we talked about the

26:38density along that corridor and I just

26:41wanted the public to understand what a

26:44large squat this is. It it doesn't mean

26:46that

26:48uh by next year that there will be a

26:51bunch of housing up and down down there.

26:54It's it's to provide an opportunity

26:56should there be a developer like the one

26:58that's proposed in this project to show

27:00up and they want to do with the criteria

27:04that is zoned for and allow beating all

27:07the other stuff that we pile on top of

27:09it. Uh and that's where we come in in

27:13and approving the project. Right.

27:17>> That's correct. Um, and I'm being

27:20redundant on purpose because usually

27:23next year, 10 years, five years down the

27:27line, uh, we were questioning, how did

27:29this thing get here? You know, and, uh,

27:32it may be the beginning of something,

27:34uh, that will naturally occur, uh, that

27:38is following the trend of development up

27:40and down that street in the Santana

27:42neighborhood. Um, so that's that's one

27:46thing I wanted. Um, with the 2.55, we've

27:50we've asked this time uh question time

27:52and time again. Um, I is um is that

27:56going to be enough parking space?

28:00it meets the code requirements

28:04and they will be um there will be a

28:06condition of approval for u parking

28:09management plan for them to ensure that

28:12there's enough um

28:14>> and can you review for us because uh

28:17some of the uh concession made was to

28:20narrow about uh.5

28:25feet out out of a sixt corridor for uh

28:28for walk space and all that. How much

28:31open space is there really in walkable

28:33area uh between these uh you and these

28:36are going to be homes that will be owned

28:39by people, right?

28:54>> Can you repeat your question?

28:58>> I can answer. idea. If I was a

29:00homeowner, what would I be expecting in

29:03term of, and you're showing me now the

29:05landscaping, but uh can you use the

29:07arrow to show where the open spaces?

29:10Will there be opportunity for residents

29:13to get together? Uh dogs to run around

29:17and do their thing.

29:18>> Uh there's

29:20>> people to picnic.

29:21>> There are three open spaces. This is the

29:23main one with a barbecue area and

29:26dining. And this is a botchi court. Um

29:29and then this is a playground.

29:33>> So each block of houses will have some

29:37access to the open space there, right?

29:39>> Yes.

29:41>> Okay.

29:44But but it's it's pretty compact, right?

29:47So, so the emphasis going to be on these

29:50units, deliver the livable space in

29:52between because you have uh units there

29:56that are four bedroomedroom which is

29:58very generous which allows for good

30:01family size. Okay. Um but it doesn't

30:06allow for much outdoor area

30:11because we made concessions in order to

30:13to get more units in there, right? Um

30:16yes. So the minimum requirement for

30:20private open space is 90. Um and some of

30:24them meet it and the others provide

30:26about 72 square feet as a minimum.

30:30>> Is is there going to be a common uh room

30:33area?

30:34>> No.

30:35>> No. Okay.

30:39My my concern is this. Um, a as I I go

30:43about the city talking to parents and um

30:46community leaders, there seem to be a

30:49sense of a lost generation of of

30:52children that are not socializing. They

30:55find it hard to interact with other

30:57people. And that may be because uh

31:02unlike the days when we roam the street

31:04and play football and baseball on our

31:06street, uh we have generations now that

31:10live in apartment houses or uh houses

31:13like this because there's not a lot of

31:15option and we're not like the city of

31:16Irvine. Um but there's there's a um

31:21there's a quality of life uh issue that

31:24is also in our general plan. So, I was

31:27just wondering how uh how are we going

31:30to address that

31:37commissioner? And for this site in

31:39particular, it's um right around the

31:42corner from Compacino Park. So, for that

31:44generation of kids that you were

31:46describing in this location, that

31:48wouldn't be an issue. They would be able

31:49to walk roughly one quarter of a block

31:52to be able to access this park. And in

31:55addition to that, the concession that is

31:59being requested that that question that

32:01you're posing to us has already been

32:03answered by the state. So if we can't

32:05make certain findings pursuant to what

32:07the government code states in approving

32:10a concession, the city has to approve.

32:13>> Right. Right. I and I understand that.

32:15But Capacino Park um doesn't have any

32:19playground equipment. I haven't been

32:21there for a while. I'm not sure.

32:24And it doesn't have a community center

32:26there, right?

32:27>> I believe it does have a playground, a

32:30soccer field, and a basketball court as

32:32well as a green space.

32:35>> And that kind of meets that criteria of

32:37outdoor. Thank you very much.

32:41>> Thank you, Commissioner

32:42Commissioner.

32:44>> Thank you.

32:46I have a question on the parking because

32:47and and the

32:50continuity of what's around there

32:53compared to what the site is. But first,

32:54let's get to the parking. I'm reading

32:56from your staff report that there are 10

32:58on that there will be uh 10 on street

33:02parking spaces provided by the project.

33:04Correct.

33:06>> Yes.

33:06>> And those will not be restricted to the

33:10residents of this new housing

33:11development. No. Right. Okay. So really,

33:14it's going to kind of be a free-for-all,

33:15whoever can get those. Okay. So, um,

33:19given how

33:21not dense, but how many bedrooms there

33:24are going to be in all these units, I do

33:26I do think, um, parking will be an

33:29issue, especially I I'm almost

33:32discounting those additional 10 on

33:34street parkings because I, uh, Ricardo's

33:37correct that Compassino Park is right

33:39next door and right across the street is

33:42R2. So there there are parking issues

33:44already here in these neighborhoods. And

33:48so what I'm trying to get to, and I

33:50think what Commissioner Woo was kind of

33:52alluding to as well, is that it's it's a

33:54little dense um or I mean I know it's

33:58planned, but I think that um for not for

34:01future, but I I think it's it's it

34:04should be made clear that the additional

34:0610 parking spaces are not necessarily

34:09for those residents. It's for everybody.

34:11Um, and in terms of I think it's I I do

34:15like the fact that even though that

34:18there's very limited open open space

34:20within the units that the park is right

34:22next door. [music] So that is that's a

34:24great asset actually to this development

34:26I feel um for the multifamily. Um, and I

34:30also appreciate that the affordable unit

34:32is going to be uh very low to very low

34:36and it's a nice sized unit. So that's

34:39that's really positive. Um, but my only

34:41concern, and it's a concern citywide,

34:44so, and it's a concern for me, um, is

34:47parking and how much we're going to be

34:49building along this street corridor. If

34:51that's the vision for our city, um, when

34:54there's more people with more bedrooms

34:56with adult children, you know, that will

34:59have their own cars and we're kind of

35:01packaging these on street parkings as a

35:03benefit to the project where really it's

35:05a benefit to the area around the

35:07project, right, in reality. Um, so those

35:10are more comments and questions, but I

35:12think I I just needed to um sure that

35:14that was on the record.

35:19>> Thank you. Uh, Commissioner Leo, any any

35:22questions?

35:24I've got a couple also involving

35:26parking. Also, city's looking at a new

35:29parking permit program. Uh, and I could

35:32see those 10 spaces suddenly being

35:34charged for those 10 spaces. Uh, I don't

35:37know whether I'm talking premature

35:38because it hasn't been approved yet.

35:40It's only being proposed, but was that

35:42taken into consideration when we were

35:44looking at this parking plan?

35:52>> Thank you, Commissioner. The changes or

35:54proposed changes that are going to be

35:56part of a future study session by public

35:58works were not. Um, what we need to look

36:00at or what we're charged with looking at

36:02is the ordinances that are in place at

36:04the time the application comes in. At

36:06this point, the Harbor mixeduse transit

36:08corridor specific plan allows this

36:10developer to count a certain number of

36:12on street parking spaces toward credit

36:15or toward the required spaces of the

36:17development. In addition to that, this

36:20corridor as well as the entirety of

36:21Harbor falls within an AB2097 area,

36:24which again going back to my comment

36:26about the state law. There's a state law

36:28on the books that already preludes the

36:30city from requiring any spaces at this

36:32site. So, the spaces that the developer

36:34is providing is 100% above what the

36:37state is telling us we can require here.

36:42>> Thank you. Also going talking about

36:44parking. If you u I have a drawing of

36:47the first floor, but when I looked at

36:49it, uh it appears that there's a little

36:50apron going into the garage and I could

36:53easily see people parking a car uh as

36:57they do in my neighborhood on street

36:58cleaning day where they go across the

37:00driveway to stay off the street so they

37:03can park a car. Is there enough space

37:05there for a car to do that in this in

37:07this area? And if they do, will they

37:10limit or interfere with the spacing that

37:13we need between to get trucks and fire

37:15trucks and all that into the area?

37:19>> No. There would not be enough room for

37:21them to park there for someone to back

37:23out of their their garage. The aisle um

37:27is 24 ft.

37:29>> 24 across. And what how deep is the

37:31apron? 5T, 6 feet before it goes in the

37:34garage. It's

37:35>> two feet.

37:36>> Two feet. Very good. That does answer.

37:38Thank Thank you. Um Okay, that's all

37:42that I have myself.

37:51Would the applicant like to speak on

37:53this matter?

37:56Thank you. I'd like to open the public

37:58hearing

38:00now. Do the applicants have a would like

38:02to speak on the matter?

38:07Is the African here?

38:18You may come address the commission if

38:19you would like.

38:35Yeah, my name is Timothy Wen. I'm the

38:37designer of this project and uh thank

38:40you for all your comments and concern

38:42and um as a designer for this project,

38:45of course, we would like to provide as

38:47much as we we can for this project. At

38:50the same time, we would like to provide

38:52affordable housing for the community as

38:55well. So, um we try to fit everything in

38:58um what we're allowed to do in order to

39:01do that. So um even though there are um

39:04there is um um bonus units that we could

39:08take to make it more uh to provide more

39:11units uh for the community but we

39:14decided not to do that. So not to put

39:16even more burden on any open space or

39:20parking uh requirements. So this is the

39:23best I could do and um as you comment

39:26before um that the landscape plan that

39:29we a little bit generous and that's all

39:31we could do [music] providing the open

39:33space and whatever space we have left.

39:36So we try to make it as nice a community

39:38as possible.

39:43So that's all the comments I have.

39:46>> Thank you. Do any commissioners have

39:48questions for the applicant?

39:49Commissioner will

39:51>> um I have some question regarding the

39:53financing of your development. Uh do you

39:56have all your funding in place

39:58>> right now? No. Right now it's still a

40:01vacant land. Uh

40:03>> are you planning to get any uh um

40:06special uh affordable housing uh uh

40:10grants or loans?

40:11>> Oh no. Yeah. Uh everything is privately

40:14funded. So, you still need to find your

40:16development fund, uh, and bridged loans

40:19and all that kind of stuff.

40:20>> Yes, it's part of the, uh, financials

40:23that we're working on for the whole

40:25project. Yeah.

40:27>> Thank you.

40:30>> Thank you. Do any other commissioners

40:32have questions of applicant?

40:33Commissioner GMA.

40:34>> Thank you, Chair Ramos. Um, these are

40:37going to be market rate units.

40:39>> Yes.

40:39>> Okay. So not that you can foretell the

40:43cost of construction because I know

40:45>> Oh yes, we have to plan that in advance

40:47and hopefully it's everything stay

40:49within our budget.

40:51>> So what are you looking at for these

40:53units in terms I know that the very low

40:56low will have a separate uh price tag

40:59but what's the range here we're looking

41:01at? Do you know? I think for a market

41:03rate for this unit, I'm thinking they

41:06could be in the range of from let's say

41:08from 900,000 to

41:12slightly over a million.

41:15>> Um I may be off, but um well that's at

41:19least what we are hoping for.

41:22>> Thank you.

41:23>> Thank you.

41:25>> Thank you, Commissioner Leo.

41:28I was going to say about that. There's

41:29some AC by Angel Stadium that are going

41:31for about a million fourbedroom, three

41:33bath, two two twocar

41:37garages.

41:38>> Oh, thank you.

41:38>> So, you're probably in the ballpark.

41:40>> Okay. Thank you.

41:43>> Thank you. And I have no question. Just

41:45want to say thank you for providing uh

41:47at least one very low-inccome unit and

41:49for providing it with the four bedrooms.

41:51I know that's a big need in the

41:52community.

41:52>> Yep. Thank you. Yeah,

41:55>> vice chair manager. Yes. Um will this be

41:59operated by a home owners association?

42:01Will they be in control once this is all

42:03sold?

42:04>> Yes, there will be a home uh owner

42:07associations and um that will be put in

42:09place and that would uh manage the

42:11common areas. Yeah.

42:14>> I do want to compliment looking at your

42:16pictures and your your your drawings and

42:18renderings. I do like the layout. I do

42:20like the uh color combinations that you

42:22picked out. I think it's going to look

42:24very very sharp in that area. Thank you

42:26very much. Yeah. All set.

42:31>> Thank you, Vice Bener. Commissioner Fam,

42:34>> uh, one question involving the site

42:37planning of the project. I I see that

42:40you're indicating that the back corner

42:43units, the building D are, I'm assuming,

42:46the accessible units.

42:47>> Uh, because the path of travel leads to

42:50them. Uh the affordable unit. I think

42:52when you go in the driveway, it's

42:54slightly to the front and left. I'm

42:57sorry, right?

42:58>> That does units.

42:59>> Yes, that's the affordable unit. And

43:01it's the I think it's located right next

43:03to the um accessible parking space. So,

43:07I think it's probably more convenient

43:10for for the occupant.

43:12>> Okay. Uh, the reason I asked is because

43:15the the site plan that I'm looking at

43:16right now, the ADA parking is located

43:22um I think where building A is and it

43:25lead it shows a path of travel that kind

43:27of circle.

43:28>> Oh, I see. Right. Yeah.

43:31Unless there are other site constraints

43:33that um you know is not present, but uh

43:37would you consider

43:39moving the ADA parking stalls to the

43:42other side of the drive because that

43:44would be closest to the uh I'm assuming

43:47the ADA compliant units.

43:50>> Well, well, because we um we have that

43:55space for back out vehicle to back out.

43:59Okay. So if we put a uh parking there

44:01then we would lose that um you know that

44:06that space for the car going in and out

44:08of the alley. And also we provide we do

44:11provide the ADA path all the way around

44:14the community from the uh from the

44:16streets to our units and to uh other

44:20common areas.

44:23>> Okay. Yeah, that's that's uh just

44:24something that caught my eye. It looks

44:26like the the the path kind of points to

44:30building D as the I was assuming that's

44:34so I was wondering why it was flipped.

44:36>> Yeah.

44:36>> Um but in general I think it's a very uh

44:39well-considered design especially given

44:42that Fifth Street hasn't been very

44:44welldeveloped.

44:45>> Thank you very much.

44:47>> It's a very um yeah well-considered

44:50design. Yeah.

44:50>> Thank you very much. Yeah.

44:53>> Thank you, Commissioner Fam. Vice

44:55Manager.

44:57>> Yeah, I'm sorry. I forgot to ask about

44:59air conditioners. Will these units have

45:01air conditioning?

45:02>> Yes, they all have um a central air

45:05conditioning unit.

45:06>> Okay. And where is the compressor

45:07located for each unit?

45:08>> Uh on the roof.

45:09>> On the roof. Thank you.

45:10>> Yeah.

45:13>> Thank you, Vice Chair Benager. Are there

45:14any additional questions or comments

45:15from the commission?

45:17>> Great. With that, thank you.

45:19>> Well, thank you very much for having me

45:21here. Thank you. Thank you again for

45:23your all your good comments.

45:25Thank you. Recording secretary, have we

45:27received any written communication or is

45:29there a member of the public that would

45:30like to comment on this item?

45:34>> We have received a total of one email in

45:36the form of public comment for this item

45:37before the 3:30 p.m. deadline, which has

45:40been distributed to the commission and

45:41posted online. If you're attending this

45:44meeting in person and would like to

45:45comment on this item, please fill out a

45:47request to speak form and turn it into

45:48the secretary. If you're participating

45:50via Zoom and would like to comment on

45:52this item, please select the hand icon

45:54to indicate you would like to speak. If

45:56you're calling in and would like to

45:58comment on this item, please dial star 9

46:00and then star six to unmute yourself.

46:06>> Thank you. We'll call Gay Leos.

46:13Okay. Okay, I live in W 5 and I'm very

46:15familiar with this area and yes, they

46:17are beautiful and yes, I like the fact

46:20that you can't own these the price. I

46:22don't know if people can afford them.

46:23But again, I go back to parking and I

46:25I'm I'm kind of choking on this 1.5

46:29parking spot or 2.5 parking spot. You

46:33don't have a.5 of a car. So, I don't and

46:36then they fall under the skirts of ities

46:39by what do you call the state density.

46:40Just because that's a state density law

46:43doesn't mean you have to apply it. And

46:45these developers really cared about the

46:47city of Santa Ana and the people that

46:49live here. They would provide enough

46:51parking for everyone that they're

46:53building. Just because the law says that

46:55you only have to have 2.5 doesn't mean

46:58that they have to do it. The only people

47:00that are making money off of us the

47:02citizens are these developers.

47:05And I I don't have the minute. The thing

47:07isn't going here. Does I have 13

47:10minutes? I don't think you want to hear

47:11hear me for 13 minutes. So, thank you.

47:14Yeah, thanks. Just being honest. Um,

47:17another concern that I don't see a

47:19question being asked is that when you go

47:21down Fifth Street and you get across

47:23Harbor, there's another project going on

47:25right there on the corner of it's 510

47:27and 53 North Harbor. There's another

47:30town home project being developed as we

47:33speak. So I I again I I don't see how

47:36you can say there's nothing how it's not

47:38going to affect the city of Santa Ana.

47:40That is like a total pipe going in

47:43because you have people coming down

47:44Fifth Street going towards Harbor and

47:47you have people that are already on

47:48Harbor and Fifth. Where are they going

47:51to go? What's going to happen is this

47:53the the the road goes into a two-lane

47:55road when you get to Hazard or New Hope

47:57Street. So, that means that eventually

48:01you're going to have to either knock

48:02down those homes to the right, which are

48:05I think they're um trailer homes, um to

48:08widen the street cuz there's no way

48:10you're going to get all of these people

48:13in that short amount of space um being

48:16able to commute effectively incoming and

48:20outgoing. So, those are questions that

48:22need to be asked. You're right, sir,

48:24that you have to ask about the future.

48:26You have to ask about the parents, the

48:28people that spend a million so on these

48:31condominiums who made these decisions

48:33because there's a there's a narrow

48:35street there. So what happens then?

48:39>> Thank you. Oh, here's your

48:42thank you.

48:45>> Recording secretary, were there any

48:47other speakers?

48:49>> There is no additional speakers.

48:51>> Thank you. Are there any additional

48:53questions of the applicant from the

48:54commission before we close the public

48:56hearing?

48:59>> With that, the public testimony portion

49:00of the public hearing is now closed.

49:02We'll now move to commission discussion

49:04and see if there's any uh motions.

49:07>> Commissioner Leo,

49:08>> I'm sorry to interrupt. I don't know if

49:10you asked the applicant if they had any

49:11other information that they wanted to

49:13provide or if they wanted to rebut the

49:15uh speakers that that spoke. I don't

49:18know if you asked that.

49:19>> I did not ask. You may want to ask that

49:21if he does not want to provide any

49:23additional comment. He doesn't have to.

49:24That's just

49:25>> Do I need to reopen the public hearing?

49:26>> Yeah, you can go ahead and just ask him

49:28if he would like to speak.

49:31>> Is there anything that you would like to

49:33say in addition? Uh only if you wish.

49:37>> Thank you.

49:39>> With that, I will take comment from

49:40Commissioner Leo.

49:42>> Okay. Um,

49:45we received in the in in the public

49:47comment, there was a letter from the

49:49California Housing Defense Fund.

49:53Um,

49:54it was somewhat offensive to be honest

49:56with you.

49:58Um, it it starts off the California

50:01Housing Defense Fund, which was

50:02previously a renters group, submits this

50:05letter to remind the city of its

50:09obligation.

50:11Do they not know we're in compliance?

50:14Do we respond to people like this?

50:16Because they're from my favorite town,

50:18Oakland.

50:22I don't understand these the these

50:24Northern California people think they

50:25can inject their policy into us. We

50:27comply with the law. We're not country

50:29bumpkins. We understand what's going on.

50:33And so it is offensive. And if we don't

50:36write a letter, I'll write a letter

50:37myself because these jokers who are

50:40living on a million-dollar budget write

50:42these letters. They're canned letters.

50:45They're like, why not start it off,

50:46we're happy that Santa Ana has built so

50:48many or approved entitled properties.

50:51Instead, they want to come at us

50:52aggressively.

50:54I don't understand it. It's not

50:56appropriate. Um, so you let me know how

50:58you want to handle public com because

50:59I'm happy to send them a letter because

51:02that's just not

51:04it's not appropriate. Should do we need

51:06more certain types of housing? Yes, we

51:09have to meet it, but not cool.

51:12So, um, I'm ready to make a motion

51:15though if you'd like, chair, on the

51:18item. Um, I I appreciate Commissioner

51:21Fam's questions and comments. I

51:23appreciate what the applicant has done.

51:24So, if you like, I'm happy to make a

51:26motion.

51:27>> Thank you. Uh, you may make a motion and

51:29then we'll still continue to allow for

51:30discussion.

51:32>> Okay,

51:34let me make a motion. So many pieces

51:37here. Um,

51:39make a motion to adopt a resolution

51:41approving tenative track map number

51:432026-000010

51:46as condition and adopt a resolution

51:48approving a concession of waiverss on

51:50reductions in development standards as

51:52memorized memorialized in the in the

51:54density bonus agreement number 2026-02

51:57as condition.

51:59>> Thank you. We have a motion by

52:00Commissioner Leo. We have a second.

52:03>> I will second that.

52:04>> Thank you. We have a second from Mr.

52:06managing. Is there any additional

52:08discussion before I call for a roll call

52:09vote?

52:12Seeing as there is none, Secretary, can

52:14you please call for a roll call vote?

52:16>> Commissioner Guzman,

52:18>> I.

52:18>> Commissioner Leo,

52:20>> I.

52:21>> Commissioner Oliva,

52:23>> Commissioner Fam,

52:24>> I.

52:24>> Commissioner Woo,

52:26>> I.

52:27>> Vice Chair Bener,

52:28>> I.

52:28>> Chair Ramos,

52:30>> I.

52:31>> Motion approved by majority vote with

52:33Commissioner Oliva absent.

52:35Thank you. Congratulations. That

52:38concludes the business calendar. Moving

52:39on to staff comments.

52:42>> Thank you, chair. upcoming we were going

52:44to have a work study session on the APR

52:47so on the housing developments and the

52:49city's progress toward complying with

52:51its reena coming up but um kind of topic

52:54of the day with the governor signing a

52:57slew of housing laws we thought it more

52:59beneficial to hold off on that work

53:02study session until all the different

53:04housing laws work its way through either

53:06get signed or don't and then we can

53:07provide the commission an update on our

53:09APR as well as an update on all the new

53:12housing ing laws that the governor

53:14signed and their effect on the city and

53:16we'll be uh providing that early next

53:18year. That's it from staff. Thank you,

53:20chair.

53:22>> Thank you. Does the commission have any

53:24closing comments or questions for staff?

53:28>> Go ahead, vice chair manager.

53:30>> Uh would staff kind of desri describe

53:32the awards you just just won for

53:34planning?

53:38>> Thank you, Vice Chair. Um I think I had

53:40shared maybe in the past but the

53:42planning division and the planning and

53:44building agency did receive two notable

53:47awards recently. Uh, one was the um APA

53:51orange section award of excellence for

53:54the transit zoning code update and then

53:56the second was the Helen Putnham award

53:59that was uh given to us by uh the League

54:02of California Cities at the Anaheim

54:05Convention that happened a couple of

54:06weeks ago and that too was for the

54:09city's work and its update of the

54:10transit zoning code.

54:15>> Those are very big big awards. The only

54:17question I have is for uh Ali as to

54:19where he does it to get 150 years of of

54:21pollution looking at what was here in

54:231876. I'd like to know what where he was

54:26talking about, but just just joking uh

54:28on it. I would recommend to staff that

54:30once the parking proposal sorts itself

54:33out and if it gets approved, then we

54:36really need to talk about parking

54:37districts and who sets them and how they

54:40can affect on some of the projects that

54:41that we talk about. So until they

54:43approve the parking plan,

54:47let's hold off on that discussion, but

54:48when they do, let's have that

54:49discussion. Thank you.

54:53>> Thank you, Commissioner Fam.

54:57you know, not relating to the the

54:58project that just came uh before us, but

55:01in general, I think it's worth looking

55:04into

55:05um uh kind of the the protection uh off

55:09of the rightway, the street kind of um

55:12you know, we mentioned before the

55:14fencing being only three foot. Um I I

55:17understand the pr the playing principles

55:19behind it wanting uh the street to be

55:22more lively um and kind of more

55:25approachable right but we also have to

55:27acknowledge the conditions on the ground

55:29right uh either

55:33you know I I think these guidelines work

55:36if we didn't have other issues that are

55:40out of our controls either it's um you

55:43know death either whether it's

55:46unsolicited uh you know

55:49people loitering around it it really

55:52conflicts with kind of the idealism of

55:55the design guidelines versus we have to

55:58kind of realize kind of where we're

56:01situated and the current conditions on

56:03the ground and so I I encourage uh staff

56:06to kind of take a look at it again and

56:08you know these these guidelines uh I

56:11know are written down and kind of uh

56:14codified

56:15But it's it's definitely worth looking

56:17into kind of where there's a happy

56:19medium where we have an engaging street

56:22frontage that staff is looking for, but

56:25also kind of considered the downstream

56:27effects of the residents who end up

56:29living there. Um, you know, I think a

56:33good case study is if you just drive

56:34down a harbor where there's quite a bit

56:36of town homes, right? Um,

56:41street front looks great. a lot of

56:42glass, a lot of um kind of very very

56:45appealing looking architecture. But you

56:47look a little bit closer, everyone has

56:49their blinds closed because obviously

56:52you don't they don't want people on the

56:53street looking into their private

56:55residences and then we,

56:59you know, we would envision that they

57:01would use their outdoor public outdoor

57:03space with like patio furniturees,

57:05things like that. of course they can't

57:07because they're afraid that it might get

57:09stolen at nighttime and and so there

57:12there's this um reality that um I think

57:17it's worth looking into

57:19just because you know we keep having

57:21these project being proposed and it it

57:23looks great in the renderings. It looks

57:24very idealic, but um you know once

57:28they're built uh the residents are the

57:31ones that are kind of dealing with the

57:32day-to-day minutia of how do they kind

57:34of handle their private property.

57:37>> Thanks.

57:40>> Thank you, Commissioner Woo.

57:43>> Um most plannings do not take place in a

57:47vacuum. Um and in a city that is already

57:50built up um we don't have a lot of

57:53options

57:55uh you know large swats of vacant land

57:59uh to provide opportunity. What we have

58:02is uh

58:04developments that busts into businesses

58:08and and all that. Uh that's the reality.

58:12I I think often when we hear comments

58:14from the community is that um

58:19there which is why I appreciate the uh

58:23the background information we sometime

58:26get on these development that goes back

58:28to uh this CPU this C and you know we

58:31get the historic picture uh where I'm

58:35going with this is I think that to do

58:38futuristic planning in term of

58:40understanding

58:41how these corridors and things. Well,

58:45actually you you did that at the

58:47presentation uh when when we were

58:49modeling doing the uh general plan. You

58:52show how all these apartment town homes

58:56up and down uh um harbor could look like

59:00so people had an idea. But I but I I

59:03don't think people realize um that

59:06sometime when you ask for something

59:09you might regret that you asked for it.

59:12Like we had the study on parking uh that

59:15took 10 years was it Carl eight years

59:19and now we got it and we go I don't want

59:21it. [laughter]

59:23So, you know, it's those kinds of thing

59:25that I wish there was a way of

59:26interacting with the community. And I

59:28understand you don't want to commit to

59:30too much. Uh not not you personally, but

59:34um as staff, I wouldn't want to um uh

59:38bring up something that may, you know,

59:40uh you know, goes for the motion of

59:42study, but then in the end, uh there

59:45might not be a better solution than

59:47leaving things as is. I I just wish

59:50there was a way of more having these

59:52engagement where we could help the

59:54community understand these things

59:56because yeah, I would love to have

59:59something that looks like the city of

1:00:01Irvine. I've been spending a lot of time

1:00:03there, but we ain't going to get it.

1:00:05Okay. What we're going to get is lawns

1:00:08and sidewalks.

1:00:10We're not going to have trails. Uh

1:00:12unless you knock down houses, that's

1:00:14that's the tradeoff you got to do. And

1:00:17often when we look at the project, uh,

1:00:20we I I I can't speak for the rest of the

1:00:22commissioner, but I I I do think that we

1:00:25try to dig things out. You know, what

1:00:27about the telephone pose along the area?

1:00:30You know, what about the sidewalk? How

1:00:32close is this to the houses and and and

1:00:35all that based on the questions. So um I

1:00:38just think I'll throw that out for your

1:00:40attention if there ways of doing these

1:00:43study session with the community so that

1:00:45we we don't have people yelling about

1:00:48something that is not a problem

1:00:51you know because that factory was

1:00:53already there and their houses just

1:00:55moved to it and uh the factory may not

1:00:58be causing the problem in your

1:01:00neighborhood. um something else maybe,

1:01:04you know, and uh let's let's not compare

1:01:08it to to a a factory in another city

1:01:13that has caused another problem. If if

1:01:15this this uh problem in in in your

1:01:19neighborhood uh with an industry

1:01:22uh that there is no uh uh factual

1:01:26comparison. So um and I guess that's my

1:01:30lecture for today is just I wish there

1:01:32was a way to process these things so the

1:01:35community has a say but it understands

1:01:39and have more information uh or to go to

1:01:42com and to get some other talk about it

1:01:45or some neighborhood association that uh

1:01:48is forward thinking and invite staff

1:01:50there to talk to the neighbors uh so

1:01:53they get a a good understanding of the

1:01:55problem.

1:01:58Thank you, Commissioner Guzman.

1:01:59[laughter]

1:02:00Any comments? Commissioner Leo.

1:02:04With that, then I will adjourn this

1:02:06meeting. The next regular meeting is

1:02:08scheduled for October 26th, 5:30 in this

1:02:12location. Thank you.