2026-09-28 - Planning Commission

00:00here.

00:01>> Commissioner Woo

00:02>> here.

00:03>> Vice Chair Beninger

00:05>> present.

00:06>> Chair Ramos.

00:08>> Vice Chair. Quorum has been reached at

00:105:37 with Commissioner Oliva and Chair

00:14Ramos absent.

00:17>> Very, very good. Thank you. Let's start

00:18with a pledge of allegiance. Can I ask

00:20Commissioner Fam to lead us, please?

00:43Thank you. Before we begin, I'd like to

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02:28Moving on to public comments on

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03:06I will wait for a few seconds.

03:14Chair, we do not have anybody on Zoom,

03:16but we did receive a total of five

03:18non-aggenda item comments via email that

03:21were distributed to you and made part of

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03:24>> Thank you.

03:27Moving on to the consent calendar. Is

03:30there a motion to approve item A,

03:32minutes from the September 14th meeting

03:34and item B, excused absences?

03:37>> I move.

03:39>> Second.

03:42>> Moved by Commissioner Woo and second by

03:45Commissioner Pam S.

03:49Okay. Uh, Secretary, please take role.

03:54Commissioner Guzman.

03:56>> Hi.

03:56>> Commissioner Leo.

03:57>> Hi.

03:58>> Commissioner Oliva.

04:00>> Commissioner Fam.

04:01>> Hi.

04:02>> Commissioner Woo.

04:03>> I.

04:04>> Vice Chair Beninger.

04:05>> I.

04:06>> Chair Ramos.

04:08Motion approved by majority vote with

04:11Commissioner Oliva and Chair Ramos

04:13absent.

04:16>> Very good. Thank you.

04:18Talking about business calendar. That

04:21concludes the consent count items.

04:23Moving on to public hearing.

04:26Um

04:30I will now review the process for public

04:32hearing so that everyone knows what is

04:34expected.

04:36Staff will provide a presentation and

04:38answer questions from the commission.

04:40The public hearing will be opened.

04:42Applicants the applicant will be given

04:44an opportunity to speak limited up to 15

04:46minutes.

04:48Member of the public will be given the

04:50opportunity to comment limited to three

04:52minutes.

04:53The applicant will be given the

04:55opportunity to respond to comments made

04:57by the public. Limit five minutes.

04:59Public hearing will be closed.

05:01Discussion will return to commission

05:03with formal action taken to approve,

05:06deny, or continue the application.

05:09Please consider the following

05:10suggestions when you're organizing your

05:12comments

05:13and that is please state your name,

05:16address, strictly volunteer. State

05:18whether you support, oppose, or neutral

05:20to the proposal. And your statement

05:22should also include all pertinent facts

05:24with within your knowledge.

05:28Decisions on these matters are final

05:30unless appealed within 10 days by any

05:33interesting party or individuals.

05:36Recommendation on these matters will be

05:37forward to city council at a later date

05:39for final final determination.

05:45With that, moving on to item A, land

05:48use.

05:49At this time, the this is the time and

05:52place for a conditional use permit

05:54number 2 2026-10

05:58for the property located at 1417 North

06:01Susan Street located within the Harbor

06:04Mixed Use Transit Corridor specific plan

06:07SP2.

06:08transition uh note

06:13north subdivision.

06:15Before we begin, do any of the

06:16commissioners have anything they wish to

06:18disclose regarding this this item?

06:23Seeing none, um the um case planner,

06:28Vivian Woo, will provide a brief

06:30presentation.

06:40Good evening, commissioners. Tonight's

06:42first item is conditional use permit

06:44number 2026-10

06:47to renew the entitlements of an existing

06:4960- foot tall Verizon Wireless Majorless

06:53uh facility concealed as a monopine

06:56located at 1417 North Susan Street.

06:59recommendation is to adopt a resolution

07:01approving conditional use permit 2026-10

07:05as condition.

07:10The site's general plan land use

07:11designation is district center 5 and the

07:14site is located within the harbor

07:16mixeduse transit corridor specific plan

07:18in the transit node north subd district.

07:21The surrounding uses to the north of the

07:22property consists of commercial uses, to

07:24the east residential, to the west uh

07:28industrial uses and to the south the

07:30Pacific Electric Ride ofway. This lot

07:33size is approximately 4.42.

07:40Pursuant to section 41-198.3B

07:44of the Santa Ana Municipal Code, major

07:46wireless communication facilities are

07:48required to be renewed every 10 years.

07:51And the planning commission approved CUP

07:542025-11

07:56on May 26, 2015 to allow for the

08:00construction of the 60 foot tall major

08:02wireless facility with ancillary ground

08:05equipment, equipment enclosure, and

08:07landscaping. As the current entitlements

08:10have reached the 10-year term, the

08:12applicant is required to apply for a new

08:14conditional use permit in order to

08:16maintain the entitlements for the

08:18facility.

08:21The site is currently occupied by Eco

08:23Equipment Corporation, an existing legal

08:26non-conforming use that provides rental

08:28and storage of heavy construction

08:29equipment and has operated at this

08:31location since the 1970s.

08:35Site upkeep has com has been completed

08:37throughout the years to maintain the

08:39site by both the wireless facility and

08:41business owners.

08:44Here on the left hand side of the screen

08:46is a photo of the lease area with a

08:50planted pine tree to screen the monot

08:54mono pine wireless facility. Um, and to

08:57the right we have a photo of the current

09:00site conditions along the north

09:02elevation indicating the enclosure with

09:05the screening vines and also the monot

09:08monopine to the rear.

09:12Here we have a site plan showing the

09:14location of the existing facility in

09:17relation to the site and the buildings

09:19occupied by Eco Equipment Corporation.

09:25Here's the enlarged site plan of the

09:27lease area with the tower to the south

09:30of the site and the insulated ground

09:33equipment um enclosed within the lease

09:36area.

09:39Here we have an ele elevation

09:41demonstrating the specifications and

09:44height of the existing wireless

09:46facility. There are no changes to the

09:48height post.

09:53This location is optimal to continue uh

09:55providing coverage uh necessary for

09:58existing and expanding services. And the

10:01facility provides a benefit to Sana

10:04residents, businesses, and motorists who

10:06subscribe to the mobile phone services

10:09by providing cellular and data capacity

10:11in the area. Additionally, site

10:14improvements will be made to the site uh

10:16including the repaving and restriping of

10:20the existing parking spaces, replacement

10:22of all deteriorating and faded stealth

10:26branches and needles and necessary

10:29refreshing of antennas.

10:34The requested conditional use permit is

10:36consistent with the general plan land

10:38use designation district center subject

10:41to compliance with applicable

10:43development and operational standards.

10:45As condition, the existing facility will

10:47continue to comply with applicable

10:49height, location, screening and stealth

10:51design standards. The project aligns

10:54with land use element goal LU3 and its

10:58policies 3.4 four and seven, which

11:01preserve and improve the character and

11:03integrity of existing neighborhoods and

11:05districts, promote compatibility with

11:08the surrounding built environment, and

11:10support a clean and safe environment for

11:12Saint Anana residents, workers, and

11:14visitors.

11:15Furthermore, the request aligns with

11:17land use element goal LU4 and policies

11:19by allowing the existing wireless

11:22communication facility to continue

11:24providing cellular and data services to

11:26the surrounding area while maintaining

11:28compliance with applicable development

11:31standards.

11:34In accordance with the California

11:36Environmental Quality Act and the SQA

11:38guidelines, the project is categorically

11:40exempt for further review for section

11:4415301 class one existing facilities. And

11:47based on this analysis, a notice of

11:50exemption, environmental review number

11:522026-051

11:55will be filed for this project. There

11:57are no fiscal impact associated with

11:59this action.

12:02Staff's recommendation is to adopt a

12:04resolution approving conditional use

12:06permit number 2026-10

12:09to renew the entitlements on the

12:11existing 60 foot tall wireless uh

12:14Monopine communications facility located

12:16at 1417 North Susan Street as condition.

12:21That concludes staff's presentation.

12:22Staff is here as well as the applicant

12:24Sequoia Development Services to answer

12:26any questions.

12:29>> Thank you. Thank you for the

12:30presentation.

12:32Commissioner Guzman, do you do you have

12:34any comments?

12:36>> Any questions for staff?

12:38>> No, not at this time.

12:39>> Commissioner Leo,

12:42Commissioner Woo,

12:46[laughter]

12:47Commissioner Fam,

12:49>> I have a one question. What's the

12:50thought of the 10-year renewal of the

12:53CPU? Is that just to ensure it's kept

12:56clean or what's the purpose behind this?

13:00Uh as a part of our municipal code

13:02requirements, uh there are provisions

13:04outlined for the 10-year renewal and as

13:07a part of the request, every 10 years we

13:10can ask for site upkeep, uh site

13:13improvements and maintenance

13:14requirements.

13:16Um, in this case there's no really site

13:19improvement or

13:22>> uh the applicant in this case is

13:25proposing to repave and restripe the

13:28existing parking um spots located on the

13:34project site and also proposing to

13:37replace any uh faded or deteriorated uh

13:41branches that are related to the

13:42wireless facility.

13:45Oh, okay. Thank you. Um,

13:50opening a text the public testimony

13:52portion for public hearing.

13:55Is there any comments?

14:02Do we have anyone want to speak?

14:06Did I miss Did I miss something?

14:14The public testimony portion of the

14:15public hearing is now open.

14:21Thank you. Is do we have the applicant

14:23here present?

14:26You want do you any words you want to

14:28say sir?

14:32Okay.

14:34Um,

14:39so any commissioners have any questions

14:41of the applicant?

14:44Seeing none

14:47recording secretary, have we received

14:48any written comments or is there any

14:50member of the public that would like to

14:51comment?

14:53>> If you're attending this meeting in

14:55person and would like to comment on this

14:56item, please fill out a request to speak

14:58form and turn it into the secretary. If

15:00you're participating via Zoom and would

15:02like to comment on this item, please

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15:15for a few seconds.

15:20Vice Chair, we have not received any

15:22public comments and there is nobody on

15:24Zoom that would like to speak.

15:26>> Thank you. The public testimony portion

15:28of the public hearing is now closed. Is

15:31there a motion to approve this matter?

15:33And is there a second?

15:34>> I move.

15:37>> Is there a second?

15:38>> Second.

15:39>> Okay, we have a

15:42motion by Commissioner Woo and second by

15:45Commissioner Guzman. Secretary, can you

15:47take a vote?

15:49>> Commissioner Guzman,

15:50>> I.

15:51>> Commissioner Leo,

15:52>> I.

15:53>> Commissioner Oliva.

15:55Commissioner Fam.

15:56>> Hi.

15:57>> Commissioner Woo.

15:58>> Hi.

15:59>> Vice Chair Beninger.

16:00>> I.

16:01>> Chair Ramos.

16:04>> Motion approved by majority vote with

16:06Commissioner Oliva and V and Chair Ramos

16:08absent.

16:10>> Okay,

16:12that concludes the land use matters.

16:14Moving on to item B, historical

16:16preservation matters. First time this

16:18commission is looking into this. before

16:20um

16:23I think staff has a presentation for us.

16:34Uh thank you vice chair. Yes, just a few

16:36comments, a few slides to present before

16:38we get on to the actual item number two.

16:42[clears throat]

16:57Okay. Uh, good afternoon, vice chair,

16:58and um, hello commissioners. Again,

17:01before we get into the historic

17:02applications on tonight's agenda, I want

17:04to provide a brief overview of the

17:06commission's new role in the city's

17:08historic preservation program and

17:10specifically how historic resources

17:12commission applications and mills act

17:14agreements work. So, effective August

17:176th, the planning commission assumed the

17:18historic preservation responsibilities

17:20that were previously handled by the

17:21Historic Resources Commission. That

17:24includes applications to place

17:25properties on the Sana Register of

17:27Historical Properties, uh categorization

17:30of those properties, certificates of

17:32appropriateness for alterations, and

17:35recommendations regarding historic

17:36property preservation agreements, or as

17:39they're commonly referred to as the

17:40Mills Act agreement,

17:45an HRCA or Historic Resources Commission

17:48application, an HRC or historic

17:52resources categorization, are the city's

17:54application process for historic

17:56preservation requests. For the

17:58applications before you tonight, there

17:59are really two related actions that you

18:01need to keep in mind. First, it's the

18:04request to place and categorize a

18:06property on historic register. Staff

18:08evaluates the property based on city's

18:10historic criteria in chapter 30 of the

18:12Saniana Municipal Code and recommends

18:14the appropriate historic categorization.

18:18Second is the historic property

18:20preservation agreement or the mills act

18:22agreement. This is a separate

18:24contractual agreement between the

18:26property owner and the city and it's

18:28intended to encourage the long-term

18:29preservation, maintenance and

18:32rehabilitation of the historic property.

18:35So an important distinction is that

18:37historic designation recognizes and

18:39protects the historic resource and the

18:41mills act agreement provides a financial

18:43incentive to help the property owner

18:45preserve that resource.

18:50The primary benefit of a millac

18:52agreement is the potential reduction in

18:54property taxes. The property is assessed

18:57under a special valuation methodology

18:59established by state law which can

19:01result in property tax savings. The

19:04actual amount varies by property. So the

19:06city does not guarantee uh particular

19:09reduction.

19:11In exchange for that benefit,

19:14the owner agrees to maintain and

19:16preserve the property's historic

19:17character and to complete preservation

19:19or rehabilitation work identified

19:21through the agreement. The program

19:23creates an incentive for private private

19:26property owners to invest in long-term

19:27preservation. Um, and in rather than the

19:30city funding that rehab directly, the

19:32agreement encourages private investment

19:34in the historic building while helping

19:36to ensure that the property is

19:37maintained over time.

19:41Um, now I'll go I'll go over briefly the

19:44historic categories you will hear

19:46referenced tonight to provide some

19:47context for recommendations that follow.

19:50Under chapter 30 of the municipal code,

19:52properties placed on a historic register

19:54are categorized based on a level of

19:56historic and architectural significance.

19:58They include landmark, key, and

20:01contributive. Tonight staff is

20:03recommending two properties for key and

20:06one for contributive. So I want to focus

20:08primarily on those two for tonight.

20:11So on the screen you'll see that the key

20:13property has a higher level of

20:14individual historic or architectural

20:17significance. These properties may be

20:19good examples of an architectural style.

20:22They may be associated with an important

20:24person or event or otherwise represent

20:27an important part of the city's history.

20:31or contributive. They're also

20:33historically significant, but its

20:34significance may be more closely tied to

20:37the contribution um to the character of

20:39a historic neighborhood. The period or

20:42architectural context being contributed

20:45does not mean that the property is not

20:46historic. Rather, it reflects a

20:49different level or type of significance

20:50under the city's um categorization

20:53system. So, for each application

20:55tonight, staff will walk you through the

20:56property's history, the architectural

20:58characteristics, the integrity, and the

21:01specific findings supporting both its

21:02placement on the register and the

21:05recommended category.

21:07You'll also hear us refer to character

21:10defining features. Those are physical

21:12features that help convey why a property

21:14is historically significant such as the

21:17form, the massing, the roof design,

21:19windows, exterior materials, porches,

21:22entries.

21:24These features are important because

21:26they become part of how the city

21:27evaluates future alterations to that

21:30historic resource.

21:32So, as you hear the as you hear each

21:34presentation tonight, it's important to

21:36uh make the distinction to keep in mind

21:38that it's the commission considering

21:40both whether the property qualifies for

21:42placement on the register and what

21:44historic categories is appropriate based

21:46on the evidence presented. So, with

21:48that, I turn it back to the vice chair.

21:53>> Thank you. I'm going to ask if the

21:56commissioners have any questions of

21:57staff about this presentation.

22:00Go ahead, Ku.

22:02>> Uh, staff. Um, I was wondering a as we

22:06look at the Well, first I want to

22:07recognize a former member of the

22:10historic resource committee um sitting

22:13over there. Uh,

22:17those criteria, did you apply to it as

22:19they put in their application?

22:23When an application is received, staff

22:26evaluates that application against the

22:28chapter 30 criteria and recommends a

22:31category to the commission. The

22:33commission can either agree with staff's

22:36recommendation on both the listing and

22:38the category or they can um you know

22:41make a recommendation to assign it a

22:44different category or a lesser category

22:46um that is within the purview of the

22:48commission pursuant to chapter 30.

22:51And looking at the house, uh the house

22:54does seem to reflect the track of the

22:58other houses in the area and it becomes

23:01a subjective u decision. Is it more

23:06distinct or just like or similar to the

23:10other tracks of the houses? So the the

23:14thing that I'm wondering is driving

23:16through there, what uh distinctive

23:21extraordinary feature or history does it

23:24have that is uh beyond the other

23:28characteristics of similar houses in the

23:30area, you know, in term of the facade,

23:34uh the the um roofing, uh the window

23:38treatment, etc. Um and the only thing

23:42I guess is that the uh the trustee and

23:46applicant uh is a former councilman.

23:50>> Um Commissioner, I think it might be

23:52beneficial to actually get into the item

23:54and have staff present it. Um I

23:56apologize if it wasn't clear. The first

23:58couple slides in the presentation was

24:00sort of a primer to make you aware of

24:04what your role is tonight since this is

24:05the first meeting, but we haven't

24:07actually done the presentation for item

24:08number two. Um, I'd be happy to get into

24:11that, go over the details why we think

24:13this property is um, worthy of listing

24:16and why it's worthy of the key uh,

24:18categorization and then I think it'd be

24:20more u,

24:21>> I'm sorry for it just

24:23>> it's okay.

24:24>> Yeah.

24:25>> Similar to question would like to add

24:27that this presentation be made on my

24:29request that we hear about what's uh,

24:33Milak and how all this functions before

24:34we vote. So we're really not taking on

24:36anybody's properties yet. So if I could

24:38complete my question because I'm going

24:39to ask of each of the subject property

24:42um what staff has gone through and and

24:46we'll present uh you know um your

24:49evaluation of those characteristics.

24:53>> That's correct. We we take the

24:54application, we evaluate it, make a

24:56recommendation to the commission, and in

24:58the write up the exhibits that are

25:00attached to each one of those items, it

25:02includes a summary of why the property

25:04isn't um significant. what elements of

25:07it from its style contribute to its

25:09significance and um how they've been

25:12retained over the years

25:13>> and and it also reflects when what's in

25:16the update of the uh new zoning update

25:18too, right?

25:19>> Well, the historic preservation matters

25:21are are separate from land use matters.

25:23Um chapter 30 is its own chapter in the

25:26municipal code. It really doesn't get

25:28into land use matters. Um the planning

25:31commission now their responsibility is

25:33to appine and vote and make

25:36recommendations on land use matters and

25:38historic preservation matters. So

25:40tonight is the first time you'll make a

25:41recommendation on historic preservation

25:43matters which is why we did that first

25:45primer first couple of slides. So, if

25:48there's any questions about what your

25:50role is tonight, what you should be

25:51looking at that, I think right now is

25:53the appropriate time to do that and then

25:55we can get into each item specifically

25:57and then if you have specific questions

25:59about those homes.

26:00>> No, but I'd like to thank the chair for

26:02uh asking for this presentation and for

26:05staff giving it.

26:06>> Sure.

26:08>> Thank you, Mr. Fam. Any questions,

26:10staff, on this issue?

26:14Um you mentioned that this is different

26:16from how we would consider land use

26:18matters. So would uh in the case when we

26:22hear about a certain property is it the

26:25same procedural where if we choose to

26:28deny an application we would provide

26:32um you know I think for for for cup we

26:37would need to kind of align it with um

26:40reasonings that are not in line with

26:42with land use um objectives. Is that the

26:46same kind of framework we should be

26:47using in terms of historical properties

26:49and historical agreements?

26:52>> It's a similar framework in that you'd

26:54have to identify

26:56um you know a justification as to why

26:58you believe this doesn't qualify or meet

27:00the chapter 30 criteria. So any decision

27:04that you make is based on the chapter 30

27:07code. It's it's not arbitrary. You know

27:09staff's recommendations aren't

27:10arbitrary. They're based on standards

27:12that have been established in chapter

27:1430. And so there's very specific

27:16criteria. And so what we're recommending

27:18to you tonight for each one of these

27:19homes is we've evaluated it and we say

27:22we think this home meets one of these

27:25criteria or more criteria, which means

27:27it should be listed. And then we think

27:30the home meets the key categorization.

27:32So we're going to recommend that. If for

27:34any one of those reasons you disagree,

27:37you have to have a discussion about why

27:39you disagree with it and why you think

27:41it doesn't meet the chapter 30 criteria

27:43or why it should be, you know, reduced

27:46to a a contributor, for example. But

27:49there should be justifications for the

27:50actions that you are recommending to

27:53take.

27:54>> Good. Thank you,

27:57>> Commissioner Leo. Any questions? Staff

28:00Commissioner Guzman.

28:03Um, my question that I have is how do we

28:05stand compared to other cities as far as

28:07number of historical

28:10homes?

28:12>> That's a great question. Um, listing

28:14wise, we're over 700 properties. Mills

28:18Act agreements, I think we're over four,

28:20close to 500. So, comparing to other

28:22cities, I wouldn't be able to tell you.

28:24Um, every program is different. Um, in

28:27some cities that you think would have a

28:29robust program are actually more

28:30selective in what they list. And so

28:33although they may be known for historic

28:35preservation,

28:37they may not take Mills Act agreements

28:39in the frequency that we do or listings

28:41in the frequency that we do.

28:44>> Very good. Thank you for the

28:45presentation. That's exactly what I

28:46asked for. Thank you.

28:47>> Sure.

28:49At this time and and this is a time and

28:52place for the Historic Resources

28:53Commission application number 2026-3,

28:58historic registered categorization

29:00number 2026-4,

29:04and historical preservation property

29:06agreement number 2026-4

29:09for the property located at 2339

29:12North Valencia Street located within the

29:15single family residence R1 zoning

29:18district. Before

29:24we begin, do any commissioners have any

29:27anything they wish to disclose regarded

29:29in this matter?

29:32Seeing none, in this case, uh the case

29:36planner Pedro, would you please provide

29:38a brief presentation?

29:40>> Thank [clears throat] you again, Vice

29:41Chair. So, as discussed, this is the

29:43first historic item on tonight's agenda.

29:45So, it's kind of a historic moment. Um,

29:48this is a request to place the property

29:50address as 2339 North Valencia Street on

29:53the historic register and to execute a

29:56MOSAC agreement with the property owner.

30:03The property is being referred to as the

30:05Sugden House and it's located in Park

30:07Santiago. It's architecturally

30:10significant as an intact example of an

30:12American colonial revival style in the

30:15city. The original building permits

30:17indicate the property was constructed in

30:191949 as a single family residence with a

30:22detached garage for contractor Floyd B.

30:26Rogers.

30:27In 1950, Lieutenant Anderson Sugden and

30:30his wife Mary Sugdan occupied the

30:32property. They occupied the residence

30:34until 1956, after which various owners

30:37occupied the property.

30:40The Sudan house qualifies for listing in

30:42the Syanna register under criterion one

30:45as an exa intact example of an American

30:48colino style home in Saint Anation

30:52um categorization is key because it has

30:55a distinctive architectural style and

30:57quality seen it's an American in its

30:59American colonial revival style.

31:04So here we have additional photos of

31:05that sugen house. Some character

31:08defining features of this house um

31:11include but are not necessarily limited

31:13to the wood shingle sighting, the wood

31:17shiplap sighting, brick sighting, brick

31:20planters, the wood sash windows

31:22throughout the property, including the

31:24wood louvered shutters,

31:27recess front porch with wood posts,

31:29banisters, and arched beams. the

31:31original wood panled and glazed door,

31:34the square bay window on the south

31:36elevation,

31:38including woodcasement windows, and the

31:41louvered vent in the gables.

31:46The property has no identified

31:48unauthorized modifications

31:51and upon consideration of the

31:52application, it's recommended that the

31:54city enter into a historic property

31:56preservation agreement or mills act

31:57agreement subject to the completion of

32:00future improvements described in the

32:01work plan. So, future improvements

32:04identified in the work plan proposed by

32:06the homeowner during the initial 10

32:08years of the Mills Act agreement include

32:10assessing all sides or excuse me,

32:13assessing all siding, which is the wood

32:15sighting um including the shingle,

32:17ziplap, shiplap, and then uh assessing

32:20the brick for cracks and other damages.

32:23replacing and repairing in kind.

32:26Assessing the condition of the windows

32:27and shutters, again, replacing in kind

32:29if needed. Assessing the condition of

32:32the roofing, which is composition

32:34shingles, and assessing the overhanging

32:36eaves and repairing and replacing in

32:39kind if necessary.

32:41This also includes assessing the

32:43condition of the exterior brick chimney

32:45and repairing as needed and assessing

32:48the hardscaping including the driveway,

32:50walkways, and porch, patio steps, and

32:52flooring throughout the residence. So

32:55staff will ensure that the proposed work

32:57will be done sensitively and will

32:58maintain the property's character

32:59defining features as part of the Mills

33:02Act agreement for the property.

33:06So with that, staff recommends that the

33:07commission adopt the resolution to

33:09approve HRCA 2026-3,

33:13HRC 2026-4,

33:15and recommend that the city council

33:17authorize HPPA 2026-4,

33:21which is the Mills Act agreement. Uh

33:23that concludes staff's presentation for

33:25this item. I do want to note that the

33:27property owner is in attendance. Should

33:29there be any questions, directed to uh

33:31the property owner.

33:34Thank you. Does the commission have any

33:35questions for staff?

33:38Chris, Commissioner Le, go ahead.

33:40[clears throat]

33:41>> Pedro, when when when the applicant um

33:44agrees to to make repairs over a 10-year

33:46period, it's the repairs for an older

33:50house tend to be at a premium, right?

33:53So, while they may get some tax benefit

33:57uh to this, most of it is swallowed up

33:59by the premium. it depending on how old

34:02the built the the home is, what type of

34:04repairs, what type of materials they

34:06need to use. You know, I think about now

34:08just trying to fix that with the current

34:10price of materials alone, right? He may

34:13get they may the applicant may get a

34:15$5,000 tax benefit, but they're spending

34:1820 grand to fix and upgrade. So, so so

34:21so does that seem to be normal when we

34:24do these things because keeping a a

34:26historic home historic is costly. It's

34:28not while there is some tax benefit to

34:31it, it's also costly because they've got

34:33to use the materials from that that time

34:35period. Is that is that your experience?

34:38>> Uh, thank you, Commissioner. That's

34:39correct. That's exactly why the Millsac

34:41program was created by the state. It is

34:43costly and the requirements for historic

34:46properties, you can't replace windows

34:47with vinyl, which are cheaper. You can't

34:49replace them with, you know, hardy

34:51sighting, which is cheaper. It has to be

34:54true to its original materials, which

34:56tend to cost more. And so that

34:58specialized labor too to actually do the

35:00work. Not every contractor um has

35:03experience working with historic

35:04properties. So all of this collectively

35:06um means that you have a much more

35:08expensive home to upkeep. And so that's

35:10the whole intention of the Billsac

35:12program.

35:13>> Thank you. That was my only question.

35:15>> Commissioner Guzman, any questions?

35:19>> Commissioner W, any questions?

35:22>> Um did you discuss this with the

35:24homeowner?

35:26discuss the Mills Act agreement with the

35:28homeowner.

35:28>> Yeah.

35:30About the the what the agreement uh

35:33would entail and the um uh restoration

35:38if assessed that it does need

35:40rehabilitation.

35:42>> Yes, this information has been made

35:44available to the property owners, old

35:45property owners as part of the agenda

35:47that's been um posted online. And then

35:50throughout the process, we um we go and

35:54not and do a site inspection. And so as

35:56part of that, we identify what needs

35:58fixing. Um we do photos. We have these

36:00conversations with property owners and

36:02let them know that within this first

36:0310-year period, um actually within the

36:06first five, because we're required to do

36:08inspections, there is these um

36:11improvements that they have to make and

36:13we have to inspect. And if they don't

36:16make them for any reason or they need

36:18additional time, we have those

36:20conversations and potentially revise the

36:22work plan. Um but yes, they're they've

36:24been made aware.

36:26>> And what monitoring uh will the city

36:28role play in term of monitoring that uh

36:33rehabilitation? Because I noticed that

36:35in in these areas where there are

36:39historic home or potential historic

36:41home. There are u ongoing improvements

36:45uh being made, but not all of them are

36:48designated as historic, which goes back

36:51to certain standards. Uh, and I see a

36:54lot of sloppy work there and and it

36:57seemed to go on forever. Um, uh, because

37:00they have a difficult time getting a

37:03contractor that will complete the job.

37:06Um, uh, I'm sorry, I made a statement.

37:08My question is that it does represent

37:12American colonial uh, uh, revival, but

37:16uh, a track normally has larger homes

37:20and smaller homes. uh more uh uh higher

37:24price homes and lower price home. Uh in

37:28term of that kind of scale, this home

37:30seemed to be at the lower end chosen as

37:33the example of American colonial

37:36revival. Uh Yamar right I'm incorrect in

37:40my observation.

37:43>> Uh thank you commissioner. I'm not sure

37:44I understand the comment about the lower

37:46end. Is that referring to the cost or

37:49>> Well, well, if we were to select

37:50something that typical of the style, you

37:53know, uh uh because the applicant asked

37:56to apply that to their application. I'm

38:00just saying that if we didn't have an

38:02applicant do that and we were to go out

38:04as a commission to find a house to be

38:07representative and designated, would we

38:09have chosen another house or would we

38:11pick this one? you know and and I know

38:13that that's spec lift tip question uh is

38:16subjective um you know but that's a

38:20style that's the standard that we're

38:22being asked to designate this house at

38:25the request of the applicant you know so

38:27I'm just saying in term that range uh do

38:30we apply to the higher end or lower end

38:33or

38:35>> do you have a commission a question

38:37commissioner

38:37>> if you could clarify that I appreciate

38:39it

38:41Sure.

38:42>> Um, Pedro, so if this commission were to

38:45approve this these recommendations,

38:49would another home in uh Park Santiago

38:53that has a that is also categorized as

38:56would itude a homeowner to apply for a

38:58Mills Act uh contract or designation uh

39:04if they too have an American colonial

39:06revival? I think what Commissioner Woo

39:09is trying to convey is that there may be

39:12other homes that are also American

39:15colonial revival. And do we preclude

39:18another person coming in with that

39:20application? Say if we approve this one

39:23today, would we preclude would we

39:25exclude everybody else who has an

39:27American colonial revival home?

39:30>> Short answer, no. There's only a a

39:32select few of architectural styles. So

39:34if we did that, there'd be a lot of

39:35homeowners who wouldn't be qualified.

39:37But I think it'd be beneficial to

39:38remember back to our July sort of

39:41historic 101.

39:43So I I'll try to answer this as briefly

39:46as possible. So short answer, no. But

39:50the tracks in the city of Sana all have

39:52what is called different periods of

39:54significance. So if you um remember the

39:58growth of Sana, there's the

40:00agricultural, you know, there's the

40:02post-war boom. So there's these

40:04different periods of significance where

40:05you will see growth and then

40:07architectural homes and styles being um

40:11constructed. So for example, Spanish

40:13homes were prevalent in the 20s. Um

40:16minimal traditional homes were prevalent

40:19in the 50s. Um this type of home was

40:22prevalent just before 1940 1950s. So the

40:25styles are found depending on where you

40:28look

40:29in different periods of significance.

40:32And what we look at is that period of

40:34significance, but we also look at how

40:36much it's retained

40:38those character defining features. So if

40:41we're looking at two American culinary

40:42revival homes and one has been altered,

40:46there's vinyl windows, the original wood

40:48sighting has been removed, chances are

40:50that that one doesn't qualify. In this

40:52case, this home has retained a lot of

40:54those original character defining

40:56features. So, we are saying that it is

40:58something that qualifies because of that

41:01reason, right? And so, it just depends

41:03on the property that you're looking at,

41:05the period of significance, its age,

41:07what's been done to it, and then another

41:09layer to it is who might have lived

41:11there. So, that's another element to

41:13this um to this criteria. Sometimes we

41:16have people of notable significance to

41:18the county, to the city who also lived

41:20here. Um, sometimes it's average Joe and

41:24that's okay.

41:25>> But it also does tail Commissioner Leo's

41:28uh question about uh taking the tax

41:31advantage. Okay. So you could water down

41:34the uniqueness of our cultural

41:37celebration in this city and housing

41:39type which I I do think that we need to

41:42sing that to the world. Uh at the same

41:45time uh I'm looking for that question.

41:48what is unique about it that we should

41:50apply for. And then if we're looking at

41:52it from the applicant standpoint of just

41:55getting the tax credit and I'm not

41:57saying that they are uh but if if that

42:00be the case then doesn't that water down

42:02the standard what we're applying to

42:04uniqueness and the cultural example that

42:07we're trying to elevate uh and and

42:10promote. So uh and and it's something

42:13that we'll answer when we vote on but

42:15but um uh that that's the question I

42:18have related at this point and asking

42:20staff as you talk to them um that we go

42:23through all these kind of questioning.

42:25Uh now uh are we just applying to the

42:28exterior or are there amenities on the

42:30inside that is unique historical

42:34>> chapter 30 does not apply to the inside

42:36of the home. Did a famous actress live

42:38there and does some scandalous of a

42:41historical nature that we could add to

42:43the uniqueness myth?

42:45>> It's something that we would consider,

42:46but it doesn't the chapter 30 the the

42:49ordinance doesn't say anything about

42:51preserving the inside. If someone wanted

42:53to preserve the inside, it'd be

42:54completely voluntary.

42:56>> Okay. So, if the outside looks

42:58hysterical historical, but the inside,

43:02we got modernized bathrooms and spas and

43:05all that.

43:07Then um that's okay. That's okay. Okay.

43:12Thank you,

43:15>> Commissioner Fan. Any questions?

43:20>> This is the first one I'll ask. Um so

43:24the Mills Act, it doesn't supersede uh

43:27other res um housing provision for state

43:31law such as ADUs, lot splits, things

43:33like that. or does it once it's

43:35classified as a historical property

43:38um you know any modification or addition

43:42or extension of the lot coverage that

43:44would be kind of fixed at point of

43:46execution of the Mills Act?

43:50>> That's a good question. Uh no, it

43:52doesn't necessarily um

43:55change anything about the state laws. Um

43:58it just depends on how they're written.

44:00So for for just traditional zoning uh

44:03and land use matters if you have a

44:05historic property it doesn't necessarily

44:07mean that you can't do an addition you

44:09know and for that we would look at you

44:11know block coverage setbacks height it's

44:14just in the manner of how you do it it's

44:16prescribed in chapter 30 versus land use

44:18matters for ADU examples the state law

44:21says that you can't have an

44:22indiscretionary action traditionally

44:26our chapter 30 would say that if you're

44:28doing an addition to um a historic home,

44:30you have to go to the commission,

44:33previously was a historic commission,

44:34now this commission to prove that

44:36alteration through a certificate of

44:38appropriateness

44:39to confirm that it's compatible and you

44:42know and not going to damage the home.

44:45State law says you can't do that. You

44:46can't have discretionary action on an

44:48ADU. So, we review those

44:51administratively. What happens though is

44:53we have standards in place. We review it

44:56just like we would um a historic

44:59application as best as we can and as um

45:02as allowed by state law and um we ensure

45:06that it's consistent with you know the

45:08design that sort of thing. There are

45:09some limitations of course but it just

45:11depends on what state law you're talking

45:13about and what the work proposed.

45:16>> Okay.

45:16>> Right. because I uh you know you

45:18mentioned any restoration of the

45:20existing building would be you know it's

45:23not it wouldn't be hardy board sighting

45:25it would be something that is um similar

45:28in kind similar in craftsmanship so

45:32you know I'm sure this is not the

45:34homeowner's intent this is just a

45:36hypothetical since this is the first

45:37time we we we're dealing with historical

45:40property but let's say uh a property is

45:45acceptance of the mills

45:46and the current or future home owner

45:49since the mills act does follow the

45:51property and not the owner uh would

45:53propose an ADU let's say um you know

45:58there's language within the city's um

46:00municipal code asking for the ADU to be

46:03designed in a similar style that has a

46:06similar material right so then would

46:09would the applicant for this property or

46:12or any other property would they need to

46:15construct that ADU in the same manner as

46:18the original um building or would it be

46:23um not within our right to enforce that

46:26and they would use Hardyboard sighting

46:28instead of u you know sawm mill lumber.

46:32>> It's been a while since I' I've read the

46:34state law but I if I remember correctly

46:35and Ricardo feel free to jump in. I

46:37think it's objective design standards

46:39for ADUs. Um so if our zoning code

46:42includes objective design standards that

46:43what that's what we could apply to ADUs

46:46and that's what we could uh ask them to

46:48make improvements on. Um right now for

46:52ADUs um we don't necessarily have we

46:55have guidelines but there's no objective

46:57design standards. And so while our hope

46:59is that homeowners would do say a

47:02detached home in the same design the

47:04same materials um not every homeowner

47:07can do that because one it's costly. And

47:09so what we work what we do is we work

47:11with homeowners to make it as compatible

47:12as possible. So sometimes that means

47:15keeping the same sort of form, but maybe

47:16the materials aren't the same or it's a

47:19a faux type of material where it looks

47:21like it's wood windows, but they're

47:22actually vinyl. Not to mention, there's

47:24building code requirements that make it

47:26harder for ADUs to do wood windows. So

47:29um more and more it gets difficult for

47:31homeowners to replicate an exact

47:34historic home. Uh but in cases where a

47:36homeowner voluntarily wants to do that,

47:38yes, absolutely that's possible. But in

47:40some cases, that's not um what happens.

47:45>> Thank you, Pedro.

47:47>> Thank you. Mine's more general, not on

47:49this one particular, but if uh someone

47:51comes and they now sell a property in

47:54five years, is a new owner

47:57required to follow the Mills Acts?

47:59>> Yes.

48:01Okay. And what if the person gets

48:03approval? we approve it and nine years

48:05down the road nothing's done or

48:08completely change the uh exterior. What

48:11happens then?

48:13>> So the agreements are are just that

48:15they're a contractual agreement. So the

48:17homeowners are agreeing not to do any of

48:19that. But in the cases that that that

48:21happens which is rare um there's

48:24penalties. So one we have our we have

48:27our code enforcement division obviously

48:30which I know this is an agreement. So to

48:32enforce an agreement, it's not

48:33necessarily within that typical scope.

48:35But if there's alterations that have

48:37been done, one without permits, which is

48:38typically what we see, then we go

48:40through the code enforcement process,

48:42remind folks that this is a historic

48:44home, remind folks that there's an

48:45agreement. Worst case scenario, there

48:47are penalties um for Millsac property

48:50owners and the city can choose to enter

48:52out of an agreement and there'd be fines

48:55to homeowners. Those are worst case

48:57scenarios. But in the 10 years, nine

49:00years that I've been here, that hasn't

49:02happened. And it's unheard of for cities

49:04to um end contracts like that because of

49:07those reasons. There are the exceptions

49:09of course, but not in San Die.

49:13>> Thank you. I appreciate the

49:15understanding of this applicant because

49:16this is our first time taking these on

49:18these kind of general questions.

49:19Appreciate it. The um public testimony

49:24portion of the public hearing is now

49:26open. Would the African like to speak on

49:28this matter?

49:31We have the African here.

49:39Mr. Chairman and uh members of the

49:42commission, I appreciate the um pickle

49:45you guys are in because you guys have

49:46never had to do this. Um I'll say this.

49:49Um I sat as a city uh commissioner. My

49:53first commission was historic resource

49:55commissioner. I was as commissioner for

49:56seven years and one of the reasons that

49:59I was so interested in that commission

50:01is because I absolutely love historic

50:04properties. It took me 24 months of

50:08searching for a house that would meet

50:10the criteria. I used to tell Pedro, I

50:12go, "There's nothing out there.

50:13Everything has been stuckcoed or ruined

50:16in my opinion." Um, I I use the same

50:18very high standards with my company,

50:20Urban Living Properties. We we

50:22specialize in architecturally

50:23significant properties and I can

50:25appreciate Commissioner Woo's concerns

50:27because it's not a lot of contractors

50:29will will work for us because we have

50:31very high standards. We've done several

50:34uh historic properties in French Park,

50:37Henry Park, um Fiser Park, um Flora

50:41Park, and that's what we do. We buy

50:44these historic properties because

50:45honestly they're they're a dying breed

50:48and we're kind of just caretakers. we're

50:51going to pass them on to somebody else.

50:52And when I found this house, I said, you

50:55know, it's it's she's pretty uh she's

50:57been unmolested. All the windows, you

51:00know, as as troublesome as they are, the

51:02double hungs are all there. You know,

51:04I've been repairing one at a time. And

51:06um I just want to keep it that way.

51:09Unfortunately,

51:11um to answer Commissioner W's question,

51:13this this is these aren't track homes.

51:14There was not these were all built

51:16individually. Um, a person back in the

51:19day would buy a lot and then hire a

51:20builder and build them. A lot of my

51:22neighbors, unfortunately, I put, you

51:24know, hardy sighting, vinyl windows, and

51:28u, they don't qualify for because they

51:30have pretty high standards and we don't

51:32get to pick. I've never had a

51:34conversation with staff about, hey, I

51:37want you to name it this style or that

51:39style. We don't get to pick. they they

51:40have um consultants that they look that

51:44have a lot more knowledge than I do and

51:46they they basically say, "Okay, ESA

51:48qualifies for these reasons." So, hope

51:50that answers your questions, but I just

51:52wanted to say thank you for your

51:53consideration. It's it's why I bought

51:55the house. I'm going to pass it on maybe

51:57to my children or to someone else. But

52:00the good news is if if this is approved

52:02tonight, um it's it's going to be really

52:05hard for somebody to change it and and

52:06and do I mean this house even has the

52:09original door, the six panel door, which

52:12is unheard of. They people always slap a

52:14Home Depot door on there and I got

52:16really excited and giddy when I found

52:18it. Again, I was looking for 24 months

52:20to to find something in the neighborhood

52:21because I I'm born and raised here in

52:22Santa Ana and I love the neighborhood.

52:24My kids grew up in this neighborhood and

52:25I grew up in the neighborhood. I used to

52:26ride my bike in that neighborhood when I

52:27was a little kid. So, it's it's pretty

52:29exciting to be able to to come full

52:32circle and and put the his put this

52:34house on the registry because it really

52:36deserves it. It's a great looking house

52:38and she's been she's she's been around

52:40since 1949 and thank God nobody has

52:43messed with it. So, that's all I have to

52:45say and thank you for your

52:46consideration. If you have any

52:47questions, I'd be happy to answer any

52:48questions.

52:50>> Thank you. Does any commissioners have

52:51any questions of the applicant? We'll

52:52start with Commissioner Woo.

53:01You did answer my question, your

53:02motivation behind doing it and what

53:05you're planning to do. Um, uh, the

53:07condition the house is not that that bad

53:09right now. It could use as a coat of

53:11paint, right?

53:12>> Yeah. They

53:12>> landscaping is kind of

53:14>> and landscaping is the the fence is not

53:16appropriate, but that's that doesn't

53:18cover the they put a unfortunately try

53:20to make it look more like a Victorian.

53:22So, but the fence is going to be repaire

53:23taken out and repaired and done

53:25appropriate. A lot of the sighting, it's

53:27called rip shingle siding. Um, the only

53:29place that carries it right now is bar

53:31lumber or ganal lumber and it's super

53:33it's twice as much money as as the the

53:35shingles because the way they

53:37>> don't have to are you going to do

53:39anything on the interior?

53:41>> Yes. I'm I'm I firm believer sell it,

53:43right?

53:44>> No. No. I'm my home. I'm going to live

53:46there as long as the Lord gives me

53:48breath. I'm going to live there. I love

53:50that neighborhood. was born and raised

53:51in the neighborhood and I want to stay

53:52there. Um, and I I'm a firm believer in

53:54architecturally appropriate interiors. I

53:56that that house that will not look good

53:58with a mid-century modern interior. I'm

54:00already I'm amateur woodworker and a lot

54:02of people don't know. Pedro knows he's

54:03seen some of my work and criticize my

54:05work, right? Um, I I do all the crown

54:08molding, base case molding, panel

54:10molding. So, I'm bringing it I'm making

54:12it appropriate on the inside as well.

54:14>> How many bedrooms is it bath?

54:16>> It's threebedroom, two bath.

54:17>> Okay. And there's there larger h houses

54:20down the block that are simmer style

54:23housing too.

54:24>> There are there's some beautiful houses.

54:26Those are uh the ones north the big big

54:29Victorians right there. They're on the

54:31register already. Correct. U it was

54:33built by some famous uh he owned all the

54:36land and he built it for his two his two

54:37daughters and there used to be a

54:39connecting tunnel in between those

54:41houses and those houses are gorgeous.

54:44>> And the reason we asking these questions

54:45is nothing personal. I I want to assure

54:48you of that. It's more a fact that we're

54:50applying new new zoning updates uh uh

54:54with with the uh uh and taking over the

54:57charge of the historic

54:58>> No, I completely understand and and

55:00they're very good questions. You kind of

55:02want to find out why the person is doing

55:04it and this is not a flip house. This is

55:06I'm going to keep it. We don't we we're

55:08not flippers, uh Commissioner. We every

55:10property we buy we keep and we hold and

55:13where appropriate. Um we we tried to get

55:16another property on the historic restore

55:18in in in French Park. Um it was it's an

55:21apartment unit, seven units. Uh

55:24unfortunately it didn't qualify because

55:25in the 19 it was built in 1898 999 I

55:28think it was the original home they

55:30turned it into apartments and then in

55:32the 40s when all the soldiers coming

55:34back there's a big demand.

55:35>> Well, you're a longtime resident. We

55:36know where to find you.

55:37>> Yes sir. Everything's public. They added

55:41on some apartments in the 40s and that's

55:42why it didn't qualify. unfortunately,

55:44but we still restored it to the best of

55:46our ability.

55:47>> Thank you for answering my question.

55:49>> My pleasure. Thank you.

55:50>> Commissioner Fam, any questions?

55:53>> Commissioner Guzman,

55:55Commissioner Leo,

55:58my only question is it feels very unique

56:01being the other way around. He's just

56:02sitting that audience. You were up here.

56:04So, nice to see you. It's been a while.

56:06It's been a while. It's been a while on

56:08it.

56:09>> Thank you for your consideration.

56:11[laughter]

56:12>> Thank you. Recording

56:15Mr. Secretary, have we received any

56:17written com communications on this item?

56:22>> If you're attending this meeting in

56:24person and would like to comment on this

56:25item, please fill out a request to speak

56:27form and turn it into the secretary. If

56:29you're participating via Zoom and would

56:31like to comment on this item, please

56:32select the hand icon to indicate that

56:34you would like to speak. If you're

56:36calling in and would like to call

56:38comment on this item, please d star 9

56:40and then star six to unmute yourself. I

56:42will wait a few seconds.

56:49>> Vice chair. There is there isn't any

56:52speakers on Zoom.

56:54>> Okay. The public testimony portion of of

56:56this public hearing is now closed. Is

56:59there a motion for approval?

57:01>> I'd like to move.

57:03>> Move by Commissioner

57:04>> for approval.

57:06>> Do we have a second?

57:08>> Second.

57:09>> Second by Commissioner Guzman.

57:11Secretary, please call roll.

57:13>> Commissioner Buzzman,

57:14>> I.

57:15>> Commissioner Leo,

57:16>> I.

57:17>> Commissioner Oliva.

57:18>> Commissioner Fam,

57:20>> I.

57:20>> Commissioner Woo,

57:21>> I.

57:22>> Vice Chair Veninger,

57:23>> I.

57:24>> Mayor Ramos.

57:26>> Motion approved by majority vote with

57:28Commissioner Oliva and Chair Ramos

57:30absent.

57:42Thank you.

57:46Well, I got the page turned. Okay.

57:50This is a time and place for historical

57:52resource commissioner application

57:55number 2026-08.

57:58Historical registration

58:01categorization

58:022026-3.

58:04Historical property preservation

58:06agreement number 2026-3

58:09for the property located at 1123 North

58:13LOL Street within the single family

58:15residents R1 zoning. Before we begin, do

58:19any commissioners have anything in

58:21regard to this item?

58:25Seeing none, can the case planner

58:28Natalie Lou to provide a brief

58:30presentation?

58:33Good evening, planning commission. The

58:35third item tonight is for applications

58:38HRCA number 2026-8,

58:41HRC number 2026-3,

58:44and HPPA number 226-3.

58:48The request is to place the property

58:51addressed as 1123 North Lel Street on

58:55the Santa Ana Historic Register as a

58:57contributive property and to execute a

59:00Mills Act agreement with the property

59:02owner.

59:06as an overview. Um, based off of, uh,

59:09staff's presentation earlier, a

59:11contributive category is where a

59:15building structure, object, or site may

59:18be considered as being deemed

59:19contributive if it contributes to the

59:22overall character and history of a

59:24neighborhood or district and is a good

59:26example of period architecture.

59:31The FB Rogers Dixon House is located in

59:36the Washington Square neighborhood. The

59:39home is a one-story single family

59:41residence with a detached garage and is

59:44architecturally significant as an intact

59:47example of a tutor revival style.

59:51The original building permit indicates

59:53that the property was constructed in

59:551933 for and by FB Rogers. In 1934, the

1:00:00home was purchased by Mr. George H. and

1:00:03Mrs. Winona M. J. Dixon, who occupied

1:00:07the residence for approximately 34 years

1:00:10from 1934 to 1968.

1:00:15The FB Rogers Dixon House qualifies for

1:00:18the listing in the Sana Register of

1:00:20Historical Properties under criteria

1:00:22within section 30-2 as the structure is

1:00:2693 years old and is a sound example of

1:00:29period architecture.

1:00:34Here we have additional photos of the

1:00:37home. Some of the character-defining

1:00:40traits of this tutor revival style home

1:00:43includes

1:00:45a moderately pitched gable roof with

1:00:47sloped front gabled entrance,

1:00:50wood sash windows throughout, wooded

1:00:53shutters, an exterior brick chimney, a

1:00:58central rear patio entrance,

1:01:00wood and glazed door and side lights,

1:01:04and an original Hollywood/ribon

1:01:07driveway.

1:01:11The property has no identified

1:01:13unauthorization unauthorized

1:01:15modifications.

1:01:17Upon consideration of the application,

1:01:20it is recommended that the city enter

1:01:22into a historic property preservation

1:01:24agreement subject to the completion of a

1:01:26future improvements as described in the

1:01:29work plan.

1:01:31Future improvements identified in the

1:01:33work plan proposed by the prop um

1:01:36homeowner during the initial 10 years of

1:01:37the Mills Act agreement include

1:01:40assessing all siding which are the

1:01:43existing lapwood and brick for cracking

1:01:46and other damage and replacing and

1:01:48repairing in kind.

1:01:51Assessing conditions of windows and also

1:01:53replacing in kind. assessing the

1:01:56condition of the roof which is made of

1:01:58composition shingles and fascia and

1:02:01repair or replace in kind.

1:02:04Additionally, there is assessing the

1:02:07condition of the exterior brick chimney

1:02:09repairing and placing and assessing

1:02:12hardscaping including the driveway,

1:02:14walkways, porch and patio steps and

1:02:16flooring throughout the residence and

1:02:18also repairing and placing

1:02:26Staff recommends that the commission

1:02:28adopt a resolution to approve HRC 2026-8

1:02:33and HRC 2026-3

1:02:36and recommend that city um recommend

1:02:38city council authorize the Mills Act

1:02:41agreement HPPA 2026-3.

1:02:45That concludes staff's presentation and

1:02:47staff is here tonight to answer any

1:02:49questions.

1:02:52Does the commission have any questions

1:02:54or comments for staff?

1:02:56>> Uh there's one uh email we received and

1:02:59comment from this from from the general

1:03:01public, right? From Tom Lutz.

1:03:11>> Yes, that's correct. Thank you.

1:03:14Uh, I was wondering, um, when you look

1:03:16at the property, was there any termite

1:03:19damage or water damage?

1:03:24And and and in these older houses from

1:03:27that period, the uh plumbing and the

1:03:30sewer usually backs up

1:03:33and I was wondering, is there any record

1:03:36of incidents about that and has it been

1:03:38repaired?

1:03:40[clears throat and cough] Thank you,

1:03:41Commissioner. the termite damage or wood

1:03:43damage wasn't something that we

1:03:45observed.

1:03:47And [clears throat] as far as our

1:03:48building permit uh research and history,

1:03:50there hasn't been anything that came up

1:03:51related to plumbing or backing up of

1:03:54anything.

1:03:55>> Thank you,

1:03:59Commissioner Fam.

1:04:02Commissioner Leo,

1:04:04>> does does the agreement contain the same

1:04:06monitoring that happened in the last

1:04:08property yearly? you is that a standard

1:04:10provision?

1:04:11>> It's a standard provision.

1:04:13>> All right. Thank you,

1:04:14>> Commissioner Guzman.

1:04:20>> I don't have any questions either.

1:04:23The uh public testimony portion of the

1:04:25public hearing is now open. Recording

1:04:28secretary, have we received any written

1:04:30communications or are there any members

1:04:32of the public that wish to comment?

1:04:37Vice Chair, we have received a total of

1:04:39one email in the form of public comment

1:04:41for this item before the 3:30m deadline,

1:04:43which has been distributed to the

1:04:45commission and posted online.

1:04:48If you are [music] attending this

1:04:49meeting in person and would like to

1:04:51comment on this item, please fill out a

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1:04:54the secretary. If you're participating

1:04:56via Zoom and would like to comment on

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1:05:05dial star 9 and then star six to unmute

1:05:07yourself. I will wait a few seconds.

1:05:15>> Vice chair, we do not have any speakers.

1:05:19>> Thank Thank you. Um,

1:05:21does the applicant wish to speak?

1:05:28They're not here.

1:05:40Good evening everyone. My name is Grant

1:05:42Bettton Court. I'm here with my wife

1:05:44Emily Bettton Court and our young child.

1:05:46Um I'm happy to answer any questions

1:05:48that anybody has, but just as a little

1:05:51bit of background um for me, I've always

1:05:55loved uh historic homes. It was

1:05:58something that uh I got from my uncle uh

1:06:01who uh still lives to this day in a

1:06:04historic home uh in Oakland, California

1:06:06in the Bay Area. Uh I was fortunate

1:06:08enough when I came down to school here

1:06:11in Orange County uh to be able to live

1:06:14in a historic home in uh Park Santiago.

1:06:17It was built in 1927. It was beautiful

1:06:20uh Spanish style. So that was something

1:06:23that was always important to me when I

1:06:24was looking for uh a home. Uh that's the

1:06:28reason uh that my wife and I, you know,

1:06:31chose uh to to live at 1123 North LOL

1:06:34Street. Uh it's a beautiful home. Uh as

1:06:37anyone that owns a historic home or home

1:06:41that could be held to be historic, uh it

1:06:43is a labor of love. Uh we experienced

1:06:46this recently where uh the windows

1:06:50needed to be uh modified and

1:06:52refurbished. Uh, and as u some of you

1:06:55had commented on, you can't use vinyl.

1:06:59You can't um go and do any of that if

1:07:02you're going to keep the original

1:07:03integrity of the home. And it was quite

1:07:05a bit uh more money to find a company.

1:07:09We had to vet out a number of companies

1:07:11that specialized uh in this particular

1:07:14area and have them come in and uh

1:07:18refurbish uh the original wood and

1:07:20replace it with materials that were

1:07:22historically consistent. Um and we do it

1:07:25because uh we love uh the historic

1:07:28nature of the home uh and the history

1:07:31that it it carries and its place uh in

1:07:34the neighborhood in Santa Ana. And

1:07:36that's why we're we're doing this. Very

1:07:42very good. Thank you. Do the uh any

1:07:44commissioners have a question for the uh

1:07:46applicant.

1:07:49Commissioner W

1:07:52Commissioner

1:07:54Leo Commissioner Guzman

1:07:58I sir. Thank you.

1:07:59>> Thank you.

1:08:07Public testimony in this portion of the

1:08:09hearing is now closed. Is there a motion

1:08:12to approve?

1:08:17>> So moved.

1:08:18>> So moved by Commissioner Leo.

1:08:20>> Second.

1:08:21>> Second by Commissioner Fam. Secretary,

1:08:23please call for the vote.

1:08:25>> Commissioner Guzman,

1:08:26>> I.

1:08:27>> Commissioner Leo,

1:08:28>> I. Commissioner Aliva,

1:08:31>> Commissioner Fam,

1:08:33>> I

1:08:34>> Commissioner Woo,

1:08:35>> I.

1:08:35>> Vice Chair Bener,

1:08:37>> I.

1:08:38>> Chair Ramos.

1:08:39>> Motion approved by majority vote with

1:08:41Commissioner Oliva and Chair Ramos

1:08:43absent.

1:08:49This is a time and place for Historical

1:08:51Resource Commission's application

1:08:532026-9.

1:08:55Historic register categorization number

1:08:582026-5.

1:09:01Historical property preservation

1:09:02agreement number 2026-5

1:09:05for the prop property located at 915

1:09:08West Riviera Drive located within single

1:09:12family resident zone R1.

1:09:15Before we begin, do any commissioners

1:09:17have any wish to discuss any regarding

1:09:19this issue?

1:09:22Seeing none, the uh case planner, Vivian

1:09:25Woo, would you please present a brief

1:09:27presentation?

1:09:30Good evening, commissioners. Tonight's

1:09:33last item is a request for historic

1:09:35register listing and categorization as

1:09:38key property at 915 West Riviera Drive

1:09:42and recommendation of a historic

1:09:44property preservation agreement through

1:09:48um HPPA number 2026-5

1:09:51recommending city council to authorize

1:09:53city manager and city clerk to execute

1:09:56the mills act agreement.

1:10:00The property qualifies for listing in

1:10:03the Saint Ana Register of Historical

1:10:05Properties under criterion one as an

1:10:07intact example of a ranchstyle house.

1:10:10And as mentioned previously, uh under

1:10:13item number one, this property will

1:10:15similarly fall under the key category.

1:10:21The Markeel House is architecturally

1:10:23significant uh as an intact example of

1:10:26the ranch style with its characteristics

1:10:30such as a low pitched hipped roof,

1:10:32stucco shiplap and slump block brick

1:10:35exterior sidings, woodframe sidelight

1:10:38with beveled glass and woodframe sash

1:10:41windows throughout the property.

1:10:44The original building permit uh

1:10:46indicates the property was originally

1:10:48constructed in 1953 by Walter J. Mar.

1:10:55Here we have photos of the flush wood

1:10:57front door with a woodframed beveled

1:11:00sidelight under the primary roof line

1:11:02and flanked by vertical wood ship lap

1:11:05siding and the woodframe sash windows.

1:11:09On the bottom right hand sections, we

1:11:11have a photo of the north elevation

1:11:13facing the rear of the property

1:11:15featuring a recessed covered porch with

1:11:17square wood posts and three p three

1:11:21secondary entrances. Two of those

1:11:23entrances under the covered porch, one

1:11:26with aluminum framed sliding glass door

1:11:29flanked by floor to ceiling fixed

1:11:31windows and the other entrance is a

1:11:34glazed wood frame door.

1:11:39Overall, future improvements for the

1:11:42work plan proposed by the homeowner and

1:11:45planning division staff for the initial

1:11:4710 years of the Mills Act agreement will

1:11:50include repairing and replacing the

1:11:52front door in kind. Repairing the garage

1:11:54door in kind. Assess all siding, stucco,

1:11:58slump block brick and shiplap for

1:12:01cracking and other damage. Repair and

1:12:03replace and kind. Assess condition of

1:12:06windows. Replacing kind.

1:12:10Assess condition of roofing. Uh its

1:12:13existing compositions, shingles and

1:12:15fascia. Repairing and replacing in kind.

1:12:18Assessing conditions of exterior brick

1:12:20chimney and repair or replacing kind.

1:12:23And lastly, assess hardcaping including

1:12:26the driveway, walkways, porch, and patio

1:12:29steps and flooring throughout the

1:12:31residence and repairing and placing

1:12:33necessary.

1:12:36Staff's recommendation is to adopt a

1:12:38resolution approving HRCA 2026-9

1:12:42and HRC 2026-5

1:12:46and recommend that the city council

1:12:47authorize the attached Mills Act

1:12:51agreement. That concludes staff's

1:12:53presentation. Staff is here as well as

1:12:55the applicant to answer any questions.

1:12:59>> Do any commissioners have any questions

1:13:00of staff?

1:13:03Commissioner W,

1:13:04>> can you go back to the uh p photo of the

1:13:06um patio? Yeah, right there. Is there

1:13:09any uh modification or modernization of

1:13:13the

1:13:22>> I thank you for the question,

1:13:23Commissioner. Um just so I can uh follow

1:13:26along with your comment,

1:13:27>> we could wait until the uh homeowner

1:13:29comes up. She can speak when it's the

1:13:31public hearing testimony as well. And if

1:13:33she has any additional information

1:13:35that's not already covered by myself,

1:13:37she can provide that.

1:13:38>> But [clears throat] as far as we're

1:13:40aware, there hasn't been any alterations

1:13:42to the uh original covering. Is is that

1:13:46what your question was?

1:13:47>> Yes.

1:13:48>> Yeah. Thank you,

1:13:53Commissioner Fam. Any questions? Oh,

1:13:55>> one more. The architect was Perkins,

1:13:57right?

1:14:00I don't know if this one had an

1:14:01identified architect. Most most of these

1:14:04properties, we don't have information on

1:14:07the architect. Most of the information

1:14:08we have is the contractors. Um they in

1:14:12these areas, they usually uh construct

1:14:14their own homes and they live there for

1:14:16a little bit and then they sell them. It

1:14:18it seems to be consistent with these

1:14:21prominent contractors of that time.

1:14:23You'll see building permit records with

1:14:25like Rogers, Rogers, Rogers, Rogers.

1:14:27Yeah, especially down that street there.

1:14:29Yeah.

1:14:29>> Yeah, exactly. But, you know, as far as

1:14:32the architect, I don't think this one

1:14:33had uh an identified architectural

1:14:36>> Thank you.

1:14:39>> Commissioner Vam.

1:14:42>> Commissioner Leo,

1:14:44Commissioner Guzman,

1:14:47I don't have any questions either. Um,

1:14:49except you said something Pedro caught

1:14:52my I'm going to ask the applicant to

1:14:54come up because I asked the other two

1:14:55have, but that may not have been correct

1:14:56to what I'm supposed to do with this.

1:14:58But, uh, we'll talk afterwards.

1:15:01>> Sure.

1:15:01>> Is do the applicant have anything to

1:15:04add?

1:15:06Like to speak?

1:15:10>> Vice chair, if you could just open the

1:15:12public testimony and then we'll we'll

1:15:14invite the applicant over.

1:15:16Public testimony portion is now open.

1:15:22Applicant would like to speak.

1:15:26>> Um, first Ellen Woo, I think I can

1:15:29address something that you asked earlier

1:15:30about some people's motivation. I found

1:15:32it really interesting once the sign went

1:15:35in my front yard. Of course, all the

1:15:36neighbors are stopping by to ask about

1:15:38it. And when I explained to them that

1:15:41yes, you get the tax savings but expect

1:15:43to go back in the house, all interested.

1:15:47So I don't think it's people taking

1:15:49advantage of the tax. It's people like

1:15:51myself who really have pride of

1:15:53ownership

1:15:54who want to

1:15:57put the money right back.

1:16:00So this is a list of everything I've

1:16:02done part of what I've done. I've

1:16:03already spent 425,000

1:16:06from savings on the home and I

1:16:08anticipate anticipate about 125.

1:16:12>> I'm sorry to interrupt. I'm sorry to

1:16:14interrupt. When you speak, you get a

1:16:15little closer to the mic, please.

1:16:17>> Thank you.

1:16:18>> Okay.

1:16:18>> Yeah, we had to do our due diligence.

1:16:21>> Oh, absolutely. Yeah, but I do think it

1:16:23was interesting what the neighbors um

1:16:26feedback has been. Um,

1:16:31>> did you want me to address a question on

1:16:33one of the photos?

1:16:35>> Was there any remodeling done on the

1:16:37porch area?

1:16:38>> There has been. So, um, do you want to

1:16:42look at the pictures or do you want me

1:16:44to just explain it?

1:16:47>> So, there was a kitchen. The interior

1:16:49has been remodeled.

1:16:51>> Interior.

1:16:52>> The interior has been remodeled which um

1:16:55led into some of the exterior. But on

1:16:56the exterior, I'm I'm looking at that um

1:16:59the bottom uh middle folder. Is that a

1:17:03modern door or is that consistent to the

1:17:05style of the ranch housing?

1:17:07>> That's a modern door in the backyard.

1:17:11Um it's not the front yard. The front

1:17:14yard has the original wood door.

1:17:18>> There's lots of swimming pool uh on that

1:17:20street. You don't have one in back, do

1:17:22you?

1:17:22>> I do have a swimming pool.

1:17:23>> Okay. Yeah, that was at that was not the

1:17:26original owner, which was Marl who um

1:17:30>> Marco

1:17:31>> Marl built the home.

1:17:32>> Yes, I'm the third owner. Second owner

1:17:34installed the pool.

1:17:38>> When I bought it, besides the pool and

1:17:40he added a pool house, everything was

1:17:43original.

1:17:45Since then, the plumbing has been

1:17:47completely replaced. The electrical has

1:17:48been completely replaced. Um, a lot of

1:17:52structural. I had the, um, retrofit done

1:17:56and a sheer wall put in, so hopefully

1:17:58I'm protected when the earthquake hits.

1:18:06>> Commissioner Leo, any questions?

1:18:09>> Commissioner Guzman, no question.

1:18:11>> Okay, thank you.

1:18:12>> Thank you. All set. Appreciate it.

1:18:14Recording. Secretary, have we received

1:18:17any written communications or is there a

1:18:18member of public like to comment on this

1:18:20issue?

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1:18:36calling in and would like to comment on

1:18:37this item, please star 9 and then star

1:18:39six to unmute yourself. I will wait a

1:18:42few seconds.

1:18:46Vice Chair, we do not have any speakers.

1:18:49>> Thank you. The public testimony portion

1:18:52of this public hearing is now closed. Is

1:18:55there a motion for approval?

1:18:57>> So moved.

1:18:59>> Motion by Commissioner Guzman. We look

1:19:01have a second,

1:19:03second by myself.

1:19:06Secretary, please call for roll.

1:19:10>> Commissioner Guzman,

1:19:11>> I. Commissioner Leo.

1:19:13>> Hi.

1:19:14>> Commissioner Oliva.

1:19:17>> Commissioner Fam.

1:19:18>> Hi.

1:19:19>> Commissioner Woo.

1:19:20>> Hi.

1:19:21>> Vice Chair Beninger.

1:19:22>> I.

1:19:23>> Chair Ramos.

1:19:25Motion approved by majority vote with

1:19:27Commissioner Oliva and Chair Ramos

1:19:29absent.

1:19:36>> That concludes the business calendar.

1:19:38Moving on to staff comments. Do we have

1:19:40any comments from staff? Thank you, vice

1:19:42chair. I do have a couple items tonight.

1:19:44I'm happy to share that at the League of

1:19:47California Cities annual conference that

1:19:49was held last week, the city was honored

1:19:51with a Helen Putnham award for the

1:19:53transit zoning code update that be came

1:19:55before this uh commission about a year

1:19:58year and a half ago or so. So, the Helen

1:20:00Putnham award for those that are not

1:20:02aware is one of the highest and most

1:20:04prestigious awards that local government

1:20:06can receive. So, I just wanted to bring

1:20:08that to your attention and thank you all

1:20:09for the work that you did in in part of

1:20:12this commission to review and approve

1:20:14that project. So, that's not only a city

1:20:15accomplishment, but all of your

1:20:17accomplishments as well. So, thank you

1:20:19for that.

1:20:22The second item has to do with another

1:20:25item that was previously heard before

1:20:27this commission, the comprehensive

1:20:29zoning code update. So, for those uh

1:20:31joining us virtually or those in the

1:20:33audience tonight, looks like we have We

1:20:36maybe had a few, but um we are going to

1:20:40be hosting the work study session before

1:20:41the city council on October 6th. So for

1:20:44those folks that have been following

1:20:46that project and wish to listen in, uh

1:20:48feel free to join us October 6 at the

1:20:51city council for the work study session

1:20:52comprehensive zoning code update. Thank

1:20:54you.

1:20:56>> Very good. Commissioner Guzman, any

1:20:58question any comments?

1:21:00>> None. Thank you.

1:21:01>> Commissioner Leo.

1:21:03>> Yeah, I wanted to thank the two new

1:21:06victim. I don't want to say victims, but

1:21:08the two new presenters tonight, I

1:21:10thought they did well. Um, on the

1:21:12historic resource stuff, I I think um it

1:21:15was good to go through the process. Now,

1:21:17we kind of have a good understanding of

1:21:19what entails. I I I appreciate the fact

1:21:21that we monitor the properties. Um, and

1:21:24I want to thank the residents who are

1:21:25willing to sink a bunch of money into

1:21:26homes and and fix them up and because

1:21:29it's important that homeowners take

1:21:31pride in their homes and and and keep

1:21:33them up. So, I appreciate it. But

1:21:35welcome to the new they are under you

1:21:36Pedro. They work for you.

1:21:39>> They're in the current planning section

1:21:40and they've been here for over a year.

1:21:43Um one and then Natalie going on a year

1:21:46and a half that almost two years. So

1:21:48they've been with us for a while.

1:21:49>> Almost two years and have not been a

1:21:51victim of this commission yet. I see

1:21:53>> they have a few under their belt. But

1:21:54>> well you're welcome back. You guys did

1:21:56well. [laughter] Thanks.

1:21:59Commissioner Wu

1:22:02is it's election season and there's a

1:22:05lot of um talk and responding on social

1:22:09media and um depending on who gets

1:22:14elected and whether or not they were

1:22:16sincere in their political statement. It

1:22:18seems that um there's a level of

1:22:21education that will be needed on on some

1:22:24of the the the issues because what may

1:22:27be an issue out there is not an issue

1:22:30that comes before us that have to apply

1:22:34the regulation laws, zoning and and and

1:22:36all that. and um in in looking at some

1:22:41of the comments coming back uh from some

1:22:43of the candidate who were not prepared

1:22:45to answer the questions um it was kind

1:22:48of disappointing uh to see uh that type

1:22:52of leadership uh style. So, I don't know

1:22:55if it's appropriate, but I'm not

1:22:58mentioning any candidate, but I'm just

1:23:00hoping that uh uh our candidates pay

1:23:04attention to the minutes and and uh of

1:23:09and the agendas of all the commissions

1:23:11and and and and

1:23:14uh uh council meeting. I know that when

1:23:17I was a organizer, I took I took your

1:23:20minutes, you know, I I took the agenda

1:23:23and I talked to city step. I did my

1:23:25homework before I presented it to to

1:23:27committee uh community because I wanted

1:23:30them to know what the issue is and to

1:23:33read it themselves and then decide not

1:23:36to take someone else's word about what

1:23:38should be or whatever. So, um that's

1:23:42just the comment I have. It's it's that

1:23:44time of the year and it's very difficult

1:23:46to kind of

1:23:48and and and look at the person and and

1:23:51then to vote. But we do need to vote and

1:23:54we need to vote and elect good leaders.

1:23:58>> Thank you, Commissioner Fam.

1:24:01>> I'm sure follow that. But [laughter]

1:24:03um uh the the first item uh that we

1:24:07reviewed today, you know, I think there

1:24:10was discussion uh with when Ali was here

1:24:13as the director. I I think um you guys

1:24:16might be still working on it to

1:24:18downgrade the cell tower uh renewal to a

1:24:22discretionary approval or maybe a minor

1:24:24cup now that we do have that category

1:24:27moving forward. Is that something that

1:24:29we're still looking into?

1:24:30>> Thank you, Commissioner. Yes, in the

1:24:32proposed zoning code update, that is one

1:24:35of the types of applications that would

1:24:37no longer, if approved as being

1:24:40proposed, would no longer come before

1:24:41this body and would be reviewed by the

1:24:44director under what's called a minor

1:24:47conditional use permit.

1:24:49>> Perfect. I think that's appropriate. Um

1:24:51and then switching over to historical um

1:24:55commission.

1:24:56You know, we we went through uh colonial

1:25:00revival, tutor revival, ranch style

1:25:03home. You know, it begs the question,

1:25:06when do a when does a property stop

1:25:09starts to become historical and stops

1:25:11being historical, right?

1:25:14uh because obviously we're building so

1:25:16so much housing uh around Santa Ana

1:25:19these days, you know, would they be

1:25:23historical buildings 50 years from now

1:25:25if they emulate a revival style that

1:25:28does that's a colonial because you know

1:25:31obviously a lot of the projects that we

1:25:33approve through the planning commission

1:25:35had Spanish style references. It's quote

1:25:39unquote revivalish, right? So like as a

1:25:43as a historical commission. When does

1:25:45that stop? Like,

1:25:47>> well, I'm going to apply for a

1:25:48mass-roduced monopoly style housing post

1:25:52World War II.

1:25:53>> Doesn't mass-produce, right?

1:25:54>> No, no, no. Monopoly style. Just

1:25:58>> But yeah. So, the

1:26:01general question since now we put on

1:26:03historical hat, when does the city stop

1:26:06considering um these houses historical?

1:26:12flip. Um, I'll take a stab at it and

1:26:14then u Pedro can fill in any of the the

1:26:16gaps that I have in my historic

1:26:18preservation knowledge. Um, actually it

1:26:21doesn't, right? There's a criteria

1:26:23that's set that the building or the

1:26:25object that we're looking at be at least

1:26:2750 years old. So, as things as time

1:26:30continues to march on, there could be 50

1:26:33years from now a building that was

1:26:34constructed today that those folks look

1:26:36back on and say this is worthy of

1:26:38listing on the register. So the

1:26:40architectural style is only one of the

1:26:42items that would make a building

1:26:44eligible. It could be eligible for a

1:26:46number of different reasons. Like if I

1:26:48think Pedro touched on during his

1:26:50presentation, if there was someone of

1:26:52note in the city's history that lived

1:26:54there, if there was an activity or an

1:26:55action or something that happened there

1:26:57in the city's history, that could also

1:26:59be a reason or a cause to list a

1:27:01property. But as far as there being like

1:27:03a line in the sand, it wouldn't. it

1:27:05would just continue to move forward with

1:27:07the 50-year mark being the the the time

1:27:10frame that we look back on.

1:27:13>> I think it would be interesting because

1:27:16we are no longer seeing

1:27:19new single family homes that are

1:27:21somewhat significant being built uh

1:27:24right currently for the most part

1:27:25because we're built out. We're seeing a

1:27:28large number of town homes u multif

1:27:31family homes. It begs the question, 50

1:27:33years from now, you know, would any of

1:27:36that be considered historical? You know,

1:27:39objectively it sounds like it would

1:27:40because it would, you know, the timeline

1:27:43would match up. There's a certain style

1:27:46that all these multif family uh town

1:27:49houses, things like that, they do

1:27:51emulate, right? Uh but

1:27:55you know it to me if you look at the big

1:27:57picture it just seems like ultimately we

1:28:00stop at this historical kind of timeline

1:28:03the 50s the 60s and then at least for

1:28:07our cities we don't particularly see uh

1:28:10something that is significant kind of in

1:28:13the 2000s. Uh so then do we just kind of

1:28:17like focus on that era and then don't

1:28:21consider anything else beyond that just

1:28:24large picture you know that might be

1:28:26that may just that might be just a

1:28:27statement.

1:28:28>> Yeah.

1:28:31>> Yeah. Thank you.

1:28:33>> Thank you. I'd like to just I'll echo

1:28:34what Commissioner Leo said. Thank you

1:28:36for the nice presentations tonight.

1:28:38Would very appreciate for the first time

1:28:40on it. Um, what I learned tonight is I

1:28:43could maybe apply for historical status.

1:28:45I was constructing 49, still have all

1:28:47original parts to my knowledge. And uh,

1:28:49so I I could apply. But with that with

1:28:52that, I'm going to cause closing to our

1:28:55meeting tonight. And we'll meet again on

1:28:58October 12th at 5:30 p.m. Thank you and

1:29:00good night.