2026-11-05 - Indigenous Commission

Okay. Go ahead. What's your [name]? Can you hear me? >> Hi everybody. Yeah, can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay, very good. Thank you so much [name]. Okay, I'm going to call this meeting to

order. Um, it is Thursday, November 5th, 2026. And it is 11:05. [name], can you please call the roll to establish quorum. >> [clears throat] >> All right, Council member [name] is going is not going

to be here. She's on travel. Um, Commissioner [name]. >> Present. >> Um, Commissioner [name]. I don't see her. Um, Commissioner [name]. >> Yeah, that's right. I'm here. >> Okay. Um, Commissioner

[name] is um, excused absent. And then, excuse [clears throat] me. The co-chair [name] is here. Present. Present. Okay, Commissioner [name]. >> I'm here. >> Commissioner [name]. >> Here. >>

Commissioner [name]. >> Present. >> Commissioner [name]. >> Oh, I'm here. >> And then, Commissioner [name] it was going to try to see if she could come in, but she's also going to be catching a flight

somewhere. So, she's I think she's in between things. So, we'll she'll come in with if she's able. Okay, back to you. >> Very good. Thank you, [name]. Um So, we're going to start with our um land

acknowledgement uh that we have here. Would anybody like to do that land acknowledgement? >> I can do that. >> Thanks, [name]. I'm Commissioner [name]. >> The Flagstaff City Council humbly

acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area's indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by native descendants, border mountains sacred to indigenous people. We honor

them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and the future generations who will forever know this place as home. >> Thank you,

Commissioner [name]. Okay, next um we're going to go into public comment, and I'm going to read this little bit. At this time, any member of the public may address the commission on any subject within

their jurisdiction that is not scheduled before the commission on that day. Due to open meeting laws, the commission cannot discuss or act on items presented during this portion of the agenda. To

address the commission on an item that is on the agenda, please wait for the chair to call for public comment at the time the item is heard. So, 3 minute maximum 3 minutes per individual. Do we have

anybody from the public? Very good. Uh [name], a guest, as well as [name]. I can't see your last name, unfortunately, but welcome. >> Thank you. Um is it ready? Is it time for my 3 minutes? >> Yes. >>

Okay. Good morning, commissioners. My name is [name], and I spent two decades in emergency medicine, serving Flagstaff as a paramedic and captain with Guardian Medical Transport. Today, I'm the

founder of Frontline Phoenix, a nonprofit supporting frontline professionals through education and alternative approaches to healing. Throughout my career, I witnessed something that continues to

weigh heavily on all of us. The devastating effects of alcohol and addiction on individuals, families, and our community. I responded to the overdoses, the assaults, the domestic crises, and the

medical emergencies. But, what stayed with me wasn't simply what happened on those calls. It was the suffering that brought people there, and how often we would see them again [clears throat] and

again. Addiction is not a failure of character. It is a complex brain health condition, often intertwined with trauma, chronic stress, and circumstances that deserve compassion rather than judgment. I

have also witnessed personally how plant medicine can support people struggling with addiction and emotional suffering. Emerging research offers reason for hope, promising the possibility of true,

lasting healing. I also recognize that traditional plant medicine holds cultural and spiritual significance for many indigenous communities, and these traditions deserve respect, protection, and

indigenous leadership. I believe these are essential to the healing process. Today, Flagstaff has an opportunity to expand the conversation around healing. I understand the city is exploring plans for

an addiction recovery and healing center. I see that as an encouraging step toward addressing a need I witnessed firsthand. Alongside efforts like this, decriminalize nature could help open

conversations around alternative healing approaches, education, preparation, and integration support. That does not require providing medicine. It requires knowledgeable professionals, appropriate

safeguards, and places where people can ask questions without shame, fear, or judgment. Sometimes the first step toward healing is simply learning that another path safely exists. I'm not suggesting

one medicine or one approach can heal everyone. I am here because I have witnessed what happens when people are stuck in a system that has run out of options, and I believe our community deserves the

courage to explore more. I respectfully ask this committee to consider supporting the decriminalize nature initiative through a process that respects indigenous sovereignty, protects sacred

traditions, and prioritizes community safety. No one should be denied the opportunity to heal because of financial hardship, fear of prosecution, or lack of access to appropriate care. Thank you. >>

Thank you, [name]. Um, would anybody else from the public like to make a comment? >> Tell me. Can I Can you hear me okay? >> Yes, [name], we can hear you. >> Thank you so much. Good morning,

commissioners. My name is [name]. I'm a lifelong resident of Flagstaff and the organizer of decriminalize nature Flagstaff. For almost 7 years, I've been working toward bringing a decriminalize nature

resolution before our city council. At its foundation, the idea is simple. People should not face criminal consequences for the personal use, cultivation, gathering, or non-commercial sharing of

naturally occurring entheogenic plants and fungi. Healing with nature is our ancient right. This is not legalization or commercial market. Peyote is intentionally excluded from our proposed

resolution. It's unique cultural and ceremonial significance to indigenous peoples deserves respect and protection, and we have no intention of interfering with that. I'm here today because I

understand this conversation is much bigger than decriminalization. As interest in psychedelics grows, medicalization and commercialization are moving very quickly. We have a window right now to ask

what kind of foundation we want to build in our community before those systems become firmly established. Who will have access? Who will profit? Who will be protected? Whose knowledge will be honored?

And most importantly, who will have a voice in deciding? I do not believe those questions should be answered by me or the psychedelic community alone. Too much of our history, indigenous peoples have

been invited into the conversations after decisions have been already made. Knowledge had been extracted, traditions had been misunderstood or appropriated, and people who carried generations of

wisdom were too often excluded from the very systems who later benefited from it. I do not wish to repeat this pattern. That's why I'm here today to seek your guidance and listen. I don't know what I

don't know. There may be language in our resolution that needs to change, ecological concerns I haven't considered, cultural boundaries I don't understand, and voices that aren't yet at the table. I

want to know. My dream is that Flagstaff can do something different. Not simply simply pass a resolution, but create a process rooted in listening, relationship, reciprocity, education, accessibility,

ecological stewardship, and respect. Perhaps we can build something here that other communities can learn from. A model showing that progress doesn't have to mean leaving tradition behind and that we

can move forward while honoring the cultures, knowledge, and traditions that came before us. I'm not here today asking for your endorsement. I'm asking for your wisdom, your questions, and to show me

the blind spots I cannot see from where I stand. If this commission believes this conversation is worth continuing, I would be deeply honored to return, listen, learn, and work together to determine

what responsible policy could look like. We cannot how we walk forward from here. And my hope is that we walk forward together. Thank you. >> Appreciate that, [name] and [name], for your information.

>> Thank you. >> Moving on onto our agenda, we are going to um go ahead and do the approval of the minutes. And uh [name] uh in the past uh this week actually drafted the minutes, sent them to us for

the previous meetings of September the 3rd, 2026, and October 1st, 2026. Are there any corrections on to the minutes? Anyone? We have somebody in the lobby, [name]. >> Yeah, I got her. >> Um in this

case uh oop, [name]. Uh excuse me. >> Thank you, [name]. Um >> Yes. >> in um I don't have any any corrections or any amendments to this to this um meeting minutes, but I would like to offer a first

motion to approve the minutes. >> And do we have a second? And is this for the for both uh September 3rd and the 10th? Uh excuse me, it's the uh October 1st. >> October 1st and September 3rd, yes

ma'am. >> And do we have a second motion for that? >> This Commissioner [name] helped second. >> Very good. Appreciate that, Commissioner [name]. >> [clears throat] >> And seeing as there Yeah. I

think we're we're good with that, [name]. Is that correct? >> Um we just need to approve it. >> Okay. So, seeing as we have a first motion and second, um >> All those who approve? >> All those that

approve. >> I. >> I. I. >> I. >> I. Any oppose? No opposition. Okay, thank you. >> Okay. Next on the agenda, we have general business. On the agenda 5A, initial planning for Voices Unheard, Breaking

the Silence. The Commission will start initial planning with input and structure of the educational summit. Discussion on the name of the summit, set up a budget, and develop a list of possible

speakers and venue ideas. Who would like to start this discussion? >> Madam Co-Chair, if I may. >> You may. Sure. >> Um so, I was really um vocal about this in our last meeting, um not letting it go

on the wayside. We really need to get this initiative going, uh and the the Commission agreed as well uh with a lot of support from Mr. [name]. And we were about possibly having this uh event planned

around, um, I believe, if my memory serves me correctly, April or May of next year. Um, and one of the people that I would like to see us invite, um, is the honorable Council Delegate [name] from the

Navajo Nation Council. Um, she's a huge proponent of the initiatives that are directly linked to what we're planning here, um, with the missing, murdered indigenous relatives on the reservation. Um, I

believe she is the chairperson, currently the chairperson within the 25th Navajo Nation Council, Um, that could change with the with the, um, the change of leadership come January with the 26th Navajo

Nation Council. But that is one person that I would like to see, for sure, um, participating in this because she has a lot of, um, not only passion for the initiative, but also a lot of first-hand

knowledge from our relatives, um, in Indian country regarding this matter. Thank you. >> Thank you. Appreciate that, [name]. Anyone else? >> [clears throat] >> This is [name] >> Oh. >> Go ahead. Go

ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> This is Commissioner [name]. So, >> [clears throat] >> as I mentioned, uh, before, my younger brother, he does a lot of, uh, fundraising and stuff like that, and I know,

uh, there was some talk about some some, uh, financial, uh, hurdles that needed to be overcome to be able to raise some money for this. Um, he had mentioned, I I talked to him last month after this,

and he was mentioning like, you know, be because he dealt he deals with like a lot of, um, organizations that already have like donors and people who would who he would talk to what kind [clears

throat] of avenues or or or have been used in the past to raise money and stuff like that and then and then he wanted a little bit more of like a some like back background on this program like what's

been done before. So I'd like to get something like like that together that I could email him. He did he he'd be interested in doing a zoom with us like next next month. But he was asking those those

questions cuz that's kind of what he does. He he uses previous information to gather and people to raise the funds. So just wanted to add that. >> [clears throat] >> Thank you very much [name]. Okay

[name] Commissioner [name]. >> [clears throat] >> Yes how many speakers are we wanting to have? Um my first question. The other one is another is a suggestion. I attended a conference at Twin Arrows I

don't know 3 months ago or so and a lot of it was on um the process of assault um and and the health of the victims you know and we had they had a an officer. She went through the process of what it

takes to prosecute someone. You know it was very interesting you know. Um and she she she herself was on that case and what what they did from the beginning to the end. And how long it takes and what

they have to do all the details. So I think somebody like that would be great. I can I can find the name of that person if anyone if we are interested in something like that. You know, so that's just

um my input. >> Excellent. These are all excellent um discussion points. Anybody else? >> I got I've >> Commissioner [name]. >> [clears throat] >> Um I was wondering about like um the people that were

who are going to be attending um because we do have a lot of like adult-focused activities, but um I'm wondering if like we could find a way to get like seniors involved in this, you know, cuz they're

they're going to be going out in the world on their own, and a lot of them probably don't know how to see these kinds of signs of what they should look out for and how to protect themselves. So,

[clears throat and cough] I think maybe if we could have an extra part that deals with, you know, speaking to them, we could >> I'm excited. These are all excellent These are excellent um ideas. Uh

from here, [name], um it Well, anybody anybody last minute thoughts? Any other um suggestions to add to our list here? >> Madam Co-chair, I really like that um idea by Commissioner [name]. Um teen

dating violence is a huge thing that a lot of people are not prepared for uh when they go out into the world. So, thank you for bringing that up, [name]. That's a really good point. >> And and real

quickly, um uh just a confer um a clarification, uh Commissioner [name], too. Uh was that uh 14 Did you say also elder? >> Oh, no, I was just thinking for like adults. Like because [clears throat] we

always like uh have the um events for adults and uh elders, but you know, I mean even elders, you know, cuz they could even There's a lot of grandparents out there who are really close with their

kids, you know, they can talk to them about this if they come to the session together, you know, it's something that they could talk about. And it's just another support for teenagers, so even that

would be fine. [clears throat] So, yeah, I definitely think teens. >> So, when you said seniors, you meant high school students. Okay. >> Yeah, high school seniors. >> I like the way that uh

Commissioner [name] put it the words of teen dating. That's actually a good way to do to say it. >> [clears throat] >> Um before before we go to um Commissioner [name] uh Commissioner [name] uh when

you were working with high school students, is this something that you felt was um a good thing I mean were there some cases and and was there do you feel like this is something that is good for high

school students uh based on your experience? >> Yes, on all accounts. I feel like this is really important to young people in learning how to navigate relationships and being able to share cuz a lot

of uh of our youth within high school and middle school have a lot of interactions on social media and sometimes that that interaction can be inappropriate and whether it's the person sending the

message not knowing or not understanding what's appropriate or not appropriate and then the young people receiving those messages not being able to filter what's appropriate and inappropriate is

important to to highlight and I think that we want to get them as much education as possible on that. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> Thank you. Okay. Um [name] from here on this subject, is there a

call as far as like creating committee or is this you know how on our other events we have committees of three or four I think commissioners. Is this something that we would do for this event to

discuss even further those details? Hello. >> Um if I can just have a little bit of I think that if we can carve out a little bit of time within our regular meeting um maybe we can get this um pulled

off. We have an hour and a half so maybe we can dedicate I don't know 20 minutes, 30 minutes to wrapping you know to to discuss all the things so that more of our commissioners are involved and more

than we'll have various roles to play and responsibilities um those kinds of things. >> So um is this a little what would be coordinated differently than the committees that we have for the previous

um committees that we do have like IPD or Indigenous Code Talkers Day. This is a little different. >> Yeah. Well this is just an idea. It depends on what you guys will all want to do. >> Correct. So

I'm asking um what do we do at this point? Do we call for an another to do this again in the next meeting? Anyone have thoughts on this? How would you like to maneuver scheduling? >> Um this is

Commissioner [name]. Um [name] um what is the um what is our quorum? When do when is there a quorum? Three or four? Um commissioners. Okay. So we So like um two to three of us can meet up or have a

and talk talk about schedule you know how to talk about this event. Is Would that be okay? Is that >> Yeah, that'll be fine. Um if if like if we have three So if we have three vo- three voting members

um is the most we can do. But if we have any ex- ex-officio members who want to join, that's fine because they don't make um the ex-officials don't make quorum. So then they can be part of the group

even if it's four or five. >> Okay. Um so I'll be the ex-officio. So I can you know meet with one or two other uh voting members and that would be okay. So I'm I'm volunteering to to um have um some

two other people to join me and we can talk about what what how we want this to be, you know. And I think the main the main um decision we need to make is where the venue about the venue. Where is it

going to be held? You know, and if it's going to be an all-day event, you know, um I think what can be really helpful if we have different topics to discuss and we had the different age demographics

there, you know, it may be good for like a breakout group, you know, for an hour on their own and then meet up again type of thing. So the venue has to provide for something like that if that's what

we want to do. If not, we you know, everybody just sits in the same place all day, you know, um then then we need to cover all types of all types of topics, you know. So that's the type of uh

questions that I think um um would be better um answered once we find out where the venue will be. And I think a lot of that depends on uh Commissioner [name] um his um um the person he's suggesting,

you know, how what what we can expect as far as um donations, and so that we can pay for the venue if if it needs to be paid. You know, I mean, I would have it at my house, but my house is too small.

>> [clears throat] >> I I wouldn't charge for anything, you know, so but um things like that, I think we we need to discuss that first before we start putting you know, a a schedule of who's going to

speak and all that kind of stuff. That's my opinion. >> Good. Commissioner [name]. >> I like that idea, Commissioner [name]. I'm also thinking about um so the previous event was called Voices Unheard

Breaking the Silence. Is this going to be are we So, we're um here we're talking about the name of the summit. Should be like are we going to be using the same type of heading? Or like part two or,

you know, like this is a How how should we use the original wording to create a new name for the summit? I guess is really what I'm thinking. Like bringing them together somehow. So, then people have

So, people would know that this is still part of that discussion. >> So, I think that that's again um is I'm still kind of confused if we're doing the talking at this level of our meeting or do we

have a sub committee that makes all those like suggestions tighter? [name], please help me. >> I think this first meeting is to decide um some kind of just some general things. >> Okay. >> Um again

again, we can have a um a sub committee to work on it. But, um we can also include all of the all of the commissioners um as a discussion point and as a planning group. That way it's official, you

know, it's an official. We can um we'll already have this time schedule for that. And if you want to, you know, use that as a planning thing, that would be fine. But for for today, we're we're just

maybe um we're we're deciding some general things. >> So >> And then um >> [clears throat] >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Um, then I guess one of my biggest thing would to start off is to figure out who would

be those Did you say up to four commissioners can come together or three? >> Three voting members and then any of the um ex officio. >> So maybe we need to identify who those um individuals would

first like to start doing that. >> That would That would be That would be good if you want to work separately. Cuz sometimes we end up meeting like every week um when it comes down to the last portion

of things. So it it's not always it's not always good to wait every month, but sometimes you have to meet more than more than um twice a month. >> Okay. >> This is This is Commissioner [name]. Um, I'd

be the ex officio. So um >> Quickly um [name]'s been had his hand up. Sorry about that. Commissioner [name]. Commissioner [name]. >> Well, I was going to reiterate a lot of what [name] had just shared

only because it's in our agenda to be able to have a discussion about this to identify the planning, our structure, and then setting a budget to develop like a list of possible speakers and venue

ideas. So I think that if we spend the time right now to maybe look at some venues, it doesn't hurt for us to think of what our schedule would look like, like who we would want to have speakers, and

then definitely need to recognize like what is our budget, like what do we need to work from. So if we could call on you from your experience, Commissioner [name], when reserving the the spaces for

any of the events that we've had, do you see do you have any suggestions as a venue that would be ideal to carry on the conversations? And I I like the idea of creating a series rather than it be a

one-and-done event, because then we can show the public that we're having a continued discussion about this, but also that we have some action that we can apply. >> Uh thank you. Yes, Commissioner

[name]. Uh that you're bringing up so many good questions and um even more questions for me to to throw back at you. As far as our venue As far as our venue, how we started last year was uh with the

help of IPAC and the county who helped fund the uh Coconino Center for the Arts. And it was a it was a good start location. It was more in town. It wasn't something that people had to travel out for,

say like Twin Arrows or something like that. And plus uh the county owns that building. They were able to help support recycle um their resources and it was very much a public event, so they were able

with IPAC's approval and attending those meetings with [name] um getting that support from from the group there. It was very um Yeah, uh the transition was pretty was pretty easy with them. Um as far

as a series, that's it sounds great. It's um then thinking about like is that something a series that happens quarterly? Is that something that happens monthly? Is that something that happens in the

same week? Um in in this in the sense of this um event, uh there was um there was uh interest also from [name] and the North Star Task Force uh that do a similar very much the same type of an event

with human trafficking and um I had myself and another native individual attended their event this past year um noticing that their format was very similar to Voices Unheard event because he had

attended what we had done and it was very interesting cuz afterwards I asked him I'm like well this format you have almost half 50% of the same speakers that we had and he was well he said because I

attended the event that you had put on um the interest of combining was a talk to to make it a larger even larger more capacity event I suppose reaching more of the population because the population

that he attended that event was um all non-native there really was no focus on MMIR um addressing those issues that we have here in this community so that's a thought um I don't know where else we

want to go with this but I know Commissioner [name] has had her hand up please go ahead and >> Actually Commissioner [name] I did you want to say what you wanted to say first? >> Yes. >> No

Commissioner [name] kind of covered some of that so go ahead [name]. >> Well I was thinking about starting off with like getting a simple like mission statement of like what we want to say about the

education summit so we know it's an education summit um how do we want to word that whole in capacity thing just because then we can start figuring out like um all the logistics will be able to fall

underneath it like once we kind of get an idea of like this is what we want to say, this is what we want to share with the people. Um And like you had um the missing and murdered indigenous relatives

like Um so like something along the lines of like um an educational summit on uh Wow. My my my brain is like >> I can I can help you out a little bit with that um because last year what we did was and

as far as our title, that was something that the original um group that came together put put out there. We did like a like a uh what do you call it? A board um list out of names and stuff and we kind

of went through things. It it was just for that summit. Um if it's chosen to stay or it can be redone again as far as another name to call it. Um I don't think um that's uh not not possible.

Absolutely. Um the the per the as [name] has it the subtitle the subline is a community gathering for prevention, strength, and healing. Um so it's not just focus based on uh MMIR. It's the

prevention, education, awareness before it hits that. That was the biggest thing was um yes, MMIR is is unfortunate the the after what happens, but we want to train and educate people before what are

the signs and what to do even before having to have go that far. So again, that's where we came up with this prevention. Um >> Yeah, I was thinking like started with MMIR. Say like this is the this is

what you know, like this is like what happens if all these things are not addressed type of thing. Like if we need to learn more about the things that we can do before we get to this point. And these

are like the statistics or something. Then and then go into like something. >> And well, so >> I Our >> Our speakers that we had had at this event, you know, we started off with [name]. >> Mhm. >> Um

she's a subject matter expert um in MMIR, but also the founder and director of her organization called Not Our Native Daughters. And she brought in gave in all the statistics about um the subject. It

was excellent. It was beyond uh what what everybody expected and had never heard before. Uh she reaches out um to all kinds of communities. She actually used to reside here in Arizona in the Phoenix

area, has worked a lot with um Navajo communities, uh tribal communities. Um but now is currently in Colorado and works on their task force there. Um so she also focuses on the youth. She has um youth

training camps and and kind of goes that far. She has immense um expertise in this. After she had talked, that's when we invited the director of the um Applejacks Ranch. Um she is a survivor DV um

trafficked individual, Savannah Sanders. And um she gave her excellent experience about what she had gone through being trafficked. Um she um is also an author and um explains these situations. She

was also a guest at this past year's North Star Task Force. Um [clears throat] Afterwards, we had a former Navajo Nation detective um uh law enforcement officer um [name] Wood. And so she explained

her 17 years of criminal investigations on sex crimes and crimes against children. And she she had her PowerPoint going on. Each of these women were just excellent um supporting this topic. Uh she she

you know, of course she served um as the executive production for um the office um Navajo Nation Office of the President, Vice President in her years and she, you know, talked about her advocacy um

about human trafficking uh capacity building center that um she's uh been involved with and as a contractor of. Um we had a lunch at this event. Um all of the lunch everything besides everything was

volunteered and uh volunteer provided and um donate donated um [clears throat] which was was you know, it's it's a large uh job to kind of put everything together. So, we had a lunch and then uh we

wanted to put insert a um a mental health exercise component because this is heavy stuff to take in all day long. But, we just couldn't find anybody in at least in our networks at a at a short amount

of time. We did have somebody, but they were from the Phoenix area, but we, you know, we were scrambling. So, we had to um not uh I think I'm not sure if somebody did do something uh because I they're

in this hour I was gone. Do you remember [name]? Um No. After [name], there was supposed to some some relaxation mental you know, kind of get it out of your mind and restart kind of a thing. Then

there was um the lunch. Um afterwards we had a detective here from the Flagstaff PD, Detective Bethany Hyde who spoke on her experience being a detective and what she what entails in her work. And

then after all of that, so we had four speakers. It was about 2:00 is when we opened it up for uh Q&A and panel discussion. So, we brought them all back down and that was for about 45 minutes. That

was by 3:00 you had to be done because it was just too you can't have it on all day. It's so heavy. It's it's a lot of mental draining that goes on. Um but you want to get as much information out as

you can. Prior to this event, there were 2 days of film um screenings in the evenings that added more education for the public to come and attend. And those um um documentaries, of course, were the um

uh the directors were [name], and we had [name]. And Ramona Emerson was the director one of the directors for that Hulu documentary, um the shapeshifting defense, that was a story about um the uh the

the woman that was murdered in 1987 behind Flagstaff Medical Center, and that whole case. So, that film director came and talked about the experience of researching and working with producers on on

creating that for Hulu. And then um right now [name], who spent amazingly the last 2 years of her life, if you haven't followed her, um her film, She Cried That Day, it's just an incredible film. It's

just ongoing. Um constantly she's bringing awareness about um MMIR and the whole frustrations that, you know, as families are trying to advocate what's been happening. So, those films were shown, one

film on one evening, the next film the next evening, and then on the third day was the actual event that went from like 8:00 to 3:00. So, that was that was quite a a long week, if um it was it was a

lot, but it was good. Hopefully that helps also. >> like Yeah, we should Maybe we should like that I mean Yeah, this is going to be really heavy topic. Maybe we could I say give us something simple,

like shorter. A shorter I don't know cuz it that just sounds like you're saying it sounds so heavy. >> So because it was in that capacity in talking about the subject, there's no way to get around it,

but we had on-site counselors um from NAKA that and and a lot of the health care professionals that were in attendance were counselors. So we always had people on-site that if somebody needed to move

off there was a room dedicated for them. Like that was all taken into consideration. Um some of our feedback to um which was really interesting um that we received was and and it got it got high

marks. This this event got very very high marks. Um I think 4.5 out of five stars. Um you can correct me [name] is what [name] had recorded. And there were as far as feedback, there was just some

simple feedback. One was though um they were curious about I think there was like three or four men in the audience cuz the most of the audience were women. And and the women that that are victims but

they don't want to be known as victims were wondering who those men were. >> [laughter] >> And it was um like when you get into this type of an environment, it gets very vulnerable and and people are

very weary but they're they're watching because these types of events can also attract the not good people to get more information to help them be you know, not so great people to other people if you

know what I mean. And so we figured out you know, we have to find a better way of announcing who these all those all those men were actually um safe people that everybody knew. So um to assure them

that we knew everybody that registered, we had their information and their names and all that whole process was is something that still needs to be um refined and and um worked on. >> Yeah, after

something like that would be really helpful to just talk it all out with her. >> Um >> [clears throat] >> Commissioner [name]. >> So, just listening to all the information that you're providing with

us to us, Commissioner [name]. Um I didn't have quite uh hear did you put this event on yourself? I mean, you got a lot of info, a lot of insight. It sounds like you already got kind of the whole plan

of how it would go, you know? Are you the one that was pretty much putting on the event from start to finish? >> It was myself, [name], and [name] Watahomigie. We had um one additional person who was

uh was on the committee and at the very end um it didn't work out, so we it came down from three to four people to three people putting this event on within two months. Would you say, [name]? >> Wow.

>> It was >> You guys threw it together pretty quick, but sounds successful. >> It was um yeah. >> Um >> And it And it takes a lot of commitment. Um I think that some people think it's it's uh

something you can just let the next person handle or you they might you might get all the expectations put on you and you can't. Like, this is a huge teamwork topic. It can't be just left to somebody

else to think of an idea or do all the work. That's not what this event is. It's a complete community to to the mindset has to be for this purpose of you know, what what we came together for, which

was um this gathering for prevention, for health, um for strength, and for healing. And once people decide to um to not complete tasks or fall back, it really kind of ruins that like the lottery to to

to move it, you know? So, there's a it's a huge balance that if it it gets unbalanced, it it takes it off, which is how [name], myself, and [name] ended up having to put it get all of our own

resources just to get it within 2 months. Take it um probably yeah, about 2 months. It was really hard. It was really fast. It was a lot of time spent. Um so, just just so you know, it's um if tasks

are you're assigned, please follow through. Um there's a lot of responsibility with this. Um try to um really um push your professionalism in this. And um just just get the get things completed that

we need. And timing is so important. So, like you had said, if it's going to happen next year, um this is a good time to start um figuring out um where that location would end up being. Um you know,

uh it it really depends on your contacts, and if you can get the funding available for it. Like like I said, the funding we received, we we asked IPAC for that assistance. I'm not sure how they are

going to be in terms of having that available um this year or next year. Um so, being mindful of that. Locations, one of them was the center um Coconino Center for the Arts, but there are other places

to to look at. Um right now we have the the new Lowell Observatory area, you know, that would be a nice place. They have that big theater auditorium, you know, with the big screens, but how much is

that going to cost, and who has the contact for that? It's getting all that information, and then bringing it back to everybody to decide. >> What was a rough number would you say that that it it

cost? >> We didn't know because the contact was didn't come through. And um it we don't know. So, we would have to start from scratch if we want to find a new location. >> Well, the venue last year

cost um 1,500 >> at Center for the Arts, but are you talking about the Lowe, which one? >> Um the event that that happened last year, like how much how much was that roughly? >> 1,500? Well, the venue

just the venue itself is 1,500. >> Yeah, I meant the whole event with speakers and everything, you know, like >> [laughter] >> food or you know, just roundabout what the event would cost. Just to kind

of talk to my brother when I'm talking to my brother, like you know, he he he deals with numbers, you know, that's what he does. So, just uh kind of throw something out there. Hey, this event, you

know, was about 20,000 last year or something like that, you know what I mean? type of thing. >> Well, the good thing about it is a lot of our speakers donated their time because this was our first

time get putting it on. Going forward, I'm sure that they were they're they're not going to they're probably going to ask for some sort of payment. Um but we had we had really good people that just

donated their time. I ended up Excuse me, I ended up covering some lodging. Um [name] ended up paying for some lodging. Um [name] paid for all the food. Um her her organization anyway, so there was

I'm probably missing some things, but those are some things that happened. Um I packed and the county paid for the venue, which was 1,500, and that was even at a really good discount because we had to

use two evenings of the prior days um as part of the expense and then almost a full day well, pretty much charged probably a full day on that last one, so that was basically kind of three days that we

utilized that that venue. And we they were lucky we were lucky enough to have chosen a time um where not a whole lot was going on with with the venue. So, [clears throat] that helped, But, the other

thing too, just to give you an idea of kind of how our how the energy works is that we ended up postponing it like three times because it was really it was really hard to have to kind of think in the

air in the in the the energy that it was bringing. Um So, just that part alone, I think that's why we need a lot of help. I guess my main thing is um what are some ideas on the venues based on what

you're thinking of? Um we will we we did do some research before on how some of those costs would would be. Like for High Country, that that's a great venue. It's right here, but it's very expensive.

And we And they don't allow if we're going to have lunch, they don't allow outside food. So, those kinds of things we have to remember. Um >> [clears throat] >> we um for I can always get Aquaplex as

as a free venue. But, they only have two rooms that we can that we can um use. Uh one which can turn into one big room. But, that's something that to think about. There's just if you need breakout

sessions, you need you need almost a conference room a conference area. Um And then the other thing is do you want to merge with somebody like [name] was saying, Commissioner [name], do you want to

merge with another partner like [name] Group or someone else? Is that something Is that a priority for you this year? Or do you want to keep it separate and keep it more on indigenous um as an

indigenous event. Should we do that this year and then maybe partner with somebody next year? Um one of some of the ideas one of the ideas that we received last year was from Supervisor [name] saying

that maybe we can have all of the three from the county side, all three of the um tri-diversity um advisory councils to work together to put it on. >> [clears throat] >> So, that's another idea that

we can help we can merge with with the other councils. But, you know, this is something that we at the city started with um you know, [name] as our commissioner and then with the help of um with the

encouragement of mayor and and council member [name] because that we took it to them first. And they really thought it would be it's something that that was important to do. This year council member

[name] is also asking if we have a budget, she can ask for some funds from the discretionary funds from the council. So, that's why we we'd like we we really need to work on in a budget. I think based

on last year's budget is um something that we we don't need we shouldn't rely on because the cost for this year is going to change. Um so, if we have a budget of what where we want to have the the um

this um summit, then we we have a a cost associated with depending on who the speakers are, then we need to see if we need to cover their travel. Do we give them an honorarium? All those kinds of

things need to come into play. How many speakers do we want? Is there any local experts that we can rely on that that don't have to travel? Um so, those are some things that we really need to just

kind of tease out so that all the details can wait, but we just need to have some of these other broader things um decided upon. >> Uh Commissioner [name]. >> Um one um I'd like to I like the um the

title. You know, I I think that says a lot. Um and then um if the Coconino Center for the Arts was if that's appropriate for the number of attendees we might expect I think we should just do that

again. You know, because there's um I like the auditorium feeling of that. Um um I went there, you know, for the filming and all and I thought that was great. I think there's plenty of room um there

and then plus um the parking. There's no parking fees. There's plenty of parking there. So um I those two are the main things for me that I think we should keep. >> Commissioner [name]. Thank you,

Commissioner [name]. >> Um one one thing that came to mind is you know, just kind of brainstorming everybody's throwing some input out there. You know, uh I I forgot who was it that was saying like

with [name]'s group which was was kind of like similar uh information but it was mostly non-natives there. Right? >> They're the North Star Task Force for human trafficking. >> and if imagine if we

partnered with them, we would be uh talking to a group that would not really be uh a part of you know, there would probably be more natives coming to our group listening whereas if we partnered with

them maybe to have like the alternating stories, one of their stories one of in indigenous, one of their stories, one of in in indigenous so we get both types of groups and people there to kind of

stir the pot up, right? Because definitely we need to get the the information out to native people, but non-natives need to know just as much, right? And so, I'm just I'm just kind of throwing that

out there. >> No, that that's that's um it's a good observation, absolutely. With the the event that we we placed we had on put on, there was the combination of both two native speakers and two non-

native professional speakers. And then the audience was also I think majority non-native in our group if I can recall. But maybe it was 50/50. Um Commissioner [name], [name], you remember or even

Commissioner [name] the demographic of Voices Unheard, do you remember? >> Um I think there were more indigenous people. I think there were maybe 60/40. >> Okay. >> attendees. >> Right. >> I agree. >>

Uh so, yes, so it it we really tried to balance it cuz it we weren't just trying to you know do one we wanted the community. It was about this community of Flagstaff since it's that that hub of I-17

and I-40 and things that can happen here being a a border town, uh the human trafficking component, the MMIR component. Um it was all designed to to be around centered around um Flagstaff, our our

community here. Uh Commissioner [name]. >> About what how many people attended the event? >> I got to locate that information. I know um we have accounts. Um I just don't have that and it's in one of

my emails. Cuz we had a registration for it. It's just I can pull that in the next um discussion. >> So, when you had the venue at Cook Nuclear Center for the Arts, you had the theater and the

gallery? >> We had both, correct. They opened it up both so that the gallery would serve as the lunch time break room, but it could also there were other rooms that they they had available if we

needed other rooms. And then that gallery can be partitioned off um to say if you want the group um participations. They can there was you know it's the gallery's large enough that you can break break

it into sections. >> Okay. I'm thinking about >> Okay. >> I'm thinking about the amount of people and what venue sizes there are. So, okay. Thank you. >> I think uh we had just about 100 people

registered for this event. If I can recall. But again, I'll have to get the actual number. That day there were we were competing against another um situation uh the city What was the city doing? They

had their council or something was going on that day, so a lot all the city people couldn't attend. Uh what was it? So, the mayor couldn't attend. None of the council people there was like a training

or I forget what was going on, but it was on that day that they weren't able to attend, which impacted. >> Yeah, there was there was something going on that they couldn't they they couldn't um leave

from. And that was really due to us changing dates. Those multiple times. So, maybe we can maybe we can um >> Real fast, there was in the chat. I don't know if people are paying attention to the chat,

but [name]'s been um placing some comments there. >> [name] just needs to say some of these things. Okay. Um [name] said, "I wish you would just say it, [name]. Um could you Could the series be a

shared responsibility with others like [name] like passing the hot potato to the next organization before it comes back to this Indigenous Commission in the following in the following year or season?

Um >> [clears throat] >> This is not a topic that will go away and uh anytime soon, unfortunately. But if we can we continue to share in the responsibility of the topic and come back and revisit any

growth or concerns each cycle would be healthy and helpful, I would hope." And then there are some social workers here in Flagstaff area that can assist with the emotional and mental health impacts

that could assist with connecting to this event. We did have, I believe, one person from Naka that was from that was there for mental health purposes at the event in case anybody needed her. And I

don't think there was anybody who utilized her services at that time. >> Not until the very end. Um So, what happened to the audience when they were listening to all this and then the panel had

happened? Just organically walking out, people were mingling and and exiting. There was a woman that just it released some trauma that she was going through and just right at the she was she let out a

bunch of stuff just on her own that she didn't think she was going to do and it felt very the right place for her to do that. So it it that's kind of how that had happened. The audience and the people

then it afterwards came up there and and gave her support. >> I didn't I don't think I saw that part. >> It was the woman about at the very end it had something to do with the stars or something. She

was talking the story about the stars and she was a she was when you're looking at the audience she was on this so what is it? Stage right. And if you're sitting in the audience it was on the left

hand side. But yeah, she was one of the last public speakers anyhow or um [clears throat] guest speakers. >> So yeah, we did have mental health. We do have contacts with victim services Northern

Arizona. Um victim services and Northern family services. We ended up finding all these individuals that we didn't know about before. So we we are aware of their resources now too. >> Mhm. >> [clears

throat] >> I don't know [name]. >> That was the person. Yeah, that was the person that was murdered at Flagstaff Medical Center. >> Yes. >> Um then she said Commissioner [name] I would support a

budget of 15 to 20,000 to start with. We could always scale down once we get more details and more concrete planning in place. Um I'm thinking about I'm thinking about um Council member [name] if she

takes this to the council I don't know if that would be a realistic budget. Um okay, back to you. And then I have do we have two people that have their hands up? >> [clears throat] >> Sorry, I think I

just didn't take down my hand. Um, but uh actually I think I do like the cooking in the center of the arts. It does sound like it meets what we would be thinking about doing with the two separate

rooms, too. >> And and uh quickly, [name], can you correct me or or [name], is is [name] a commissioner or commissioner [name] or ex officio [name]? >> He's a commissioner, but ex officio. >> Okay. I

just want to correct myself on saying that Commissioner [name]. >> Yeah, you don't need to say ex officio commissioner or anything like that. >> [laughter] [clears throat] >> Your hand is up. >>

[gasps] >> Thank you so um so much for your time. Uh I you know, when I got this when I was really pushing for this um initiative to keep going, I thought it was a keep going situation where we had it

as a part of the commission already, but it sounds like this is something that needs to be formalized. Um we need to have some things established like KPIs, so we know all the different questions like

Commissioner [name] is asking for budgets, um people attending from Commissioner [name]. Uh we really need to formalize everything, and I think the first step to that um so that we're not expending

any more time here in commission is to get a subcommittee started um for which I'm volunteering to participate as well. Um so, whoever else wants to join us, please do so. I think um would be like the

next move, so um Shadow [name] or uh Shadow Commissioner [name], I'm not sure if this would be a time to possibly make a motion to get a subcommittee started, but if so, I'll go ahead and offer that

motion. >> Yes, absolutely. Um that is a good start. That's where I wanted to definitely take this. Uh I'd also like to um add my name to that group since I have a lot of information from last year.

And I think uh [name] uh [name], Commissioner [name], is also the other ex officio that can attend. So, two more commissioners would be interested in participating in the subcommittee. >> [clears

throat] >> Whoever wants to >> Commissioner [name]. >> Yes. >> Hand is up. >> I'd be interested. >> Good. And one more commissioner. Commissioner [name]. You would like to be a part of that

subcommittee. Very good. So, we have uh Commissioner [name], Commissioner [name], and Commissioner [name] from the Indigenous Commission uh being [clears throat] a part of the subcommittee for uh this

event um formally or possibly uh continuing under the name of Voices Unheard, Breaking the Silence uh with uh Commissioner [name] and Commissioner [name] ex officios also attending. May I have a We

have uh [name] or who would like to have a motion for this new information? Make a motion. >> Commissioner [name], I'll motion. >> Very good. May I have a second? >> I'll second >> Commissioner uh

well Commissioner [name], can you make a motion? Yeah. Still trying to deal with the ex officio. >> Yeah, who's who made a motion? >> Commissioner [name]. First motion. >> Commissioner [name]. Can

[name]? >> Oh, make sure. And then who second it? I was going to second. >> It was between Commissioner [name] and Commissioner [name]. >> Okay. Let me be on the safe side and just put [name] just in

case. >> [snorts] >> Um and then for the voting. >> And do we have a uh yay for this? >> [laughter] >> Yay. >> Do we have any nays? >> [laughter] >> Um [name] needs to vote. >> I said I. >> Okay. I

didn't hear you. All right. And then um no oppositions, right? >> Oppositions. >> All right. Great. That's awesome. Then we can kind of work through um when I guess the main thing is when do you want

to start meeting? We'll start with that and then we can set a schedule after that. >> Um I schedule is available. I'm flexible, so I can I can meet whenever. Can be even later today. Starting today.

At anytime. [clears throat] Anybody else on their schedule? >> Same available today. >> It Can we do it like next week or something? Cuz my week I have to have at least 2 weeks or a week and a half at

least. >> So now under [name]'s schedule >> [laughter] >> 2 weeks from today. You should let You should lead with that. >> Um what about Yeah, after Veteran's Day, Thursday or Friday is fine. >> Next

a week from today? >> Yes. >> Thursday. >> Um I'm unavailable next Thursday. I'll be attending Phoenix Indian Center so award ceremony, so I won't be there Thursday, but Friday's open. >> I can do

Thursday before 1:00. And um >> I can do either Thursday or Friday. >> Friday the 13th. Friday the 13th. >> [laughter] >> [name] can't get back in for whatever reason she dropped dropped off and so

she has to let us know somehow. Um I'll call Yeah, she probably will. >> Yeah. >> Um what's his first name? >> Commissioner [name]. >> That day is work for me. >> Friday? >> Yeah. >> And Commissioner

[name]? >> Um I will do what I can for Friday. Mhm. It sounds like Friday works for everybody. >> Do you want to set a time now or or do a poll? >> I'm open that day, so it can be anytime. >> What

works for you, [name]? >> I'm open all that whole day up to 3:00. >> Oh, cool. 10:00, does that sound like a good time for everybody? >> Mhm. >> 10:00 is good. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Okay. Well,

that'll our first meeting. I'll send it out after our meeting. >> [clears throat] >> Just wanted to add real quick. I I I sent out to my brother this Commissioner [name] that um like what kind of

information he wanted from the uh commission for this event, you know, so he knows how to kind of proceed on the fundraising side. So, I'll be emailing that to you [name] at you know, at I should hear

back from him here in a a few days. Just kind of add that to that to that uh um meeting you guys are going to have. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> [clears throat] >> And just a correction um on the

name that I was um addressing him as it is not [name]. It's [name]. >> [clears throat] >> I didn't even hear you hear the second name. I just heard M. N. and didn't register the rest. >> I have [name]

and [name], so I better change it. In my [laughter] notes. >> [name]. >> [cough] >> You said [name], right? B. A. R. K. Okay. Okay. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> you're not in >> Okay. >> [laughter] >> We

have 10 minutes left with this um our commission meeting and uh with are we are we I um good to move on to our next item? >> the next one the next one's already going to be pretty pretty um short and

sweet. I know and and I'm really sorry. But I'll I'll alert um So, for the next one I have a flyer that I that we put together and for the um Native American Heritage Month. So, this is um what we'll

have is a lunch and learn between you know, with us and the IPAC from the county. They usually do a full month of different things and um and I usually try to get something in for the Indigenous

Commission. So, this will be for um next week, October 10th. Right before Veterans Day. And um this young lady will be talking about her her time in the Navy, her being a veteran. And um then she's

she's also an outreach specialist for Diné Naazbaa' Partnership. So, she's going to be also talking about her work, about what veterans need to know. She works with the veterans on Navajo Nation, but

also in the border town areas. So, if you um need information on that, this would be a good time to just drop in and eat while you learn. Um >> Where is this going to be? >> It's on Zoom. >> I think

it [name], um it says October 10th. Would that be November 10th? >> God dang it. Yeah, it's it's a 10th. Good thing I haven't sent it out yet, except to you guys. >> [laughter] >> Okay. >> I think on

the other one, I had two flyers going. I think I got the the the other one right. And then I switched to this one cuz I was fiddling around with the Zoom link. And I didn't want to lose everything.

Okay. Thank you for catching that. >> [laughter] >> Very good eyes, Commissioner [name]. >> Did you guys notice the Arizona Daily Sun was Thursday, November 3rd on Tuesday? >> Ha ha, no. Didn't know

that. All right. So, that's what we'll be doing just for Native American Heritage Month is the only thing that I can um put forward for for us for that month. And then there's a bunch of things going

on with NAU. Um and I'm not sure usually they'll send me things, but I haven't really found I haven't really um gotten anything for this month. I know on Friday they're having a stew fest at NAU. I

think it was from 12:00 to 2:00. >> Mhm. >> So, just go to their website to find out more information on that. Um okay, then go moving on. Um anybody have questions about this? And thank you for that

correction. I'll get that done. >> [snorts] >> I'm also >> [name], will you be sending that out to us? >> Yes. >> I I actually sent it out um earlier before the meeting, but just just delete it. I'll

send out the new one with the correct date. >> Okay, thank you. >> I'm also putting together a Native American Heritage Month book display at the library. >> Ooh. >> I should have had it up a couple

of days ago. Just it's been pretty crazy. Um so, yeah. >> Awesome. >> So, just so you know. >> Okay. All right. Are we done We're done with Native American Heritage Month? Any other comments? Okay. Um

>> Next, we have the Indigenous Commissioner terms and application process. Review of ending commission terms and or re-reapplication will be provided. >> So, I know um [name] Commissioner [name]'s um

position is still available. And then I believe there's two more people who are going to have their um commission um term end in December. And most times you usually have Most times you usually have

you have an opportunity to reapply. And let me check really quick here. Packet new appointment. >> [clears throat] >> Ah. Done. Where are you? Ah. I don't All right. Let me see here. 26. So,

Commissioner [name], yours needs to be re-upped, your application. The the term's end like December uh December 1st. And you're okay to reapply. So, just do that. And then um 26 >> Is the deadline on

December 1st or is it before December 1st? >> You can apply anytime now between now and December. Well, I shouldn't say that. Um the applications need to be in the in the city council packets by the

middle of November. So, between now and the middle of November you need to apply. So, that it will be in the council packets the next time they're voting on it, which will be early December. And I

believe that's going to be December 1st. Hopefully we'll be on on the agenda for that to to reappoint um commissioners. So [name]'s one. Um [name]'s another one. And [name], yours is up to on the 20

for 2026. So those are the three that are going to be needing to reapply. >> Okay. [name]. >> Yeah. I I have a question. I believe my um with IPAC, I'm done at the end of the year. So that affects

this position as well, correct? >> Probably yes. >> Oh, yeah. >> Um unless you reapply for IPAC. >> Okay. All right. >> And then [name]'s position she has one more year well, actually one more No,

hers is up on December 1st as well. So it'll be hers. This is so confusing. Plan end date. So it'll be Commissioner [name]. Commissioner [name]. Commissioner [name]. And then for [name]'s position,

she still would have some time left on it. So, whoever gets appointed to her position will fill out her term. And I need to clarify when that's how long that's going to be. So, that's what I have. I

just need you to um for those of you who names whose names are are on this list for terming out, please, if you can reapply, um there's also going to be advertisement for other people to apply. So, it

will be up to um the council to uh appoint whoever they would like, but if you're already on that, make sure you say that in your um in your application, so that they know you're a a current and

serving commissioner. Any questions? I'll stop sharing. Um [name], are you saying something? >> There I am. >> [laughter] >> Thank you, [name]. Yes, we have it's over. It's 12:30, everybody.

[laughter] Um just last thing, are there any other announcements? Uh please give updates and times. Um I think [name] talked about the Stew Fest that's happening in NAU this Friday. We have the

Veterans um Zoom event. She's going to send out a flyer about that next week. Uh Commissioner Commissioner [name]? >> Um just some one thing real quick. Um I met this lady down in when I in Tucson

last week when I was there for the Arizona Library Association. Uh she had a presentation on all of the land grants that were that all of the colleges are sitting on and she had like history on how

all of the tribal land ended up being used for uh colleges uh and just like uh where money goes back and forth, who gets divided and all this stuff. It was uh something that I wanted to see if she

could maybe come and do a presentation for us because it's it was very interesting to learn about that and um I wanted to send the information to [name]. Um yeah. But that that was all. But it's it's

it just sounds really I don't know. I I had a lot of I was just shocked by it. So yeah, I think it's a thing that we should all know. Like everybody should know how the colleges got the land their

land that that they are on. >> Mhm. >> That's all. >> Very good. Appreciate it. Thank you, Commissioner [name]. Um so I'm just going to ask our next or mention our next regular meeting will be held it

will it be on December 3rd unless there's any changes this 2026? >> Right. >> Correct? Okay. >> Right. >> And lastly our adjournment. If there's any other further business Ooh, yes, correction.

Commissioner [name] has asked will December 3rd be in person? >> Uh, it would be up to you guys. If you request it to be in person, then we can do that. Usually it it usually we do like a kind of like

a holiday kind of meeting to have food and stuff. >> [laughter] >> I [clears throat] like food and stuff. >> I I I was like, I like food, too. I think we'd be good just because um if we're going to

have more of a discussion on some of the other stuff, you know, it's it would be easier to do it in person. So, we're not like speaking over each other on the computer and trying to figure out who's

talking and so forth. >> Excellent. Um Who wants to be in person? >> Uh No, I I Yes, me. >> [laughter] >> Commissioner [name] raised his hand. Commissioner [name] said something. >> I said, "Yes, me,

too." >> So, are we doing a motion here? Who would like to motion to have it December 3rd? Do we need that? >> Um I would like to make a motion. >> [name] >> [laughter] >> Do you want to have a

meeting on December 3rd? Doesn't >> [gasps] >> Yeah, I think you could just decide. I don't think you Normally, we do a um a motion, too. But, normally, we do that for if we need to change dates. But,

um >> Correct. >> But, um I think if we're doing it, we just need to know who's all wanting to do it in person. >> Okay. >> Are we going to be having it at City Hall at that one um upstairs uh >> If

it's available, I'll have to check to see what what's available. >> You know, we had there in what Aquaplex before? >> Mhm. So, who's So, who's all wanting in person? Um can we do shall um

Commissioner [name]? Yes or no? >> Yes, I'm good. >> Okay. Um Commissioner [name]? >> Yes, it is. >> Okay. Commissioner [name]? [name]. Did you want to meet in person on December 3rd? >> That's fine.

>> Okay. All right, looks like we have a majority that say yes, so we'll do that. I'll look to see which room's available. All right. >> Okay. So, any last further business to discuss? >> No. >> Just

on number seven. >> Informational items two from commission members, staff, and future agenda item requests. I think uh Commissioner [name] >> covered that. >> Commissioner [name] had her invite.

Okay. Hearing none, uh is there a motion to adjourn? >> You just adjourn, you don't motion. >> Oh. Fine. >> [laughter] >> Good with me. >> See you later. >> See you. I guess that's it, everybody. >>

Nobody else? >> Have a good day, everyone. >> Thank you so much. >> [laughter] >> Hi, [name]. >> [sighs and gasps] >> Oh, dear.