2026-09-28 - City Plan Commission

I'd like to begin with a roll call. Commissioner Nell Washington president condition commissioner to Rick Moody. That Commissioner Jesus Gonzales present Commissioner Willie Smith. President

Commissioners Stephanie Bloomingdale and Commissioner Kent Katrina Crane or both. I excused absence says for today, let's start with some information on virtual and in-person presentations. Thank you

very much. All right. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you. Madam Chair. Today, City Plan Commission meeting will be carried out and a hybrid format, which means we are accepting public testimony, both

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for your testimony and thank you for your participation. The first item on our agenda is review and approval of the previous meeting. Minutes from 7/20/2026. commissioners. Have you had a chance to

look through the meeting minutes? It's a make a motion to approve the Prius mean minutes. All those in favor. Please say Aye. Aye. Aye motion carries zoning. Public hearing starts at noon right now.

So item number 2, 6, 0, 4, 8, 1, resolution approving the request to deviate from the performance standards established by the Port of Milwaukee is what I'm reading the meeting minutes. And it's yeah,

you're a good time last month. So we're going back in time. Yeah. All right. We're going to go to the real item. Number 2, which is a zone in public hearing substitute ordinance related to zoning

regulations for Family Day care homes. Ed Richardson from the department's planning division will be walking us through that item today. Currently at least only a also a public hearing. So thank you,

Ed, for for leading us off. Well, currently are asked. Our city ordinance has a regulation on the number of children that you can have in the family day care home. And that number is 8 children. All

of this is based off of state statute. However, recently the state a revised its statute and its raise the capacity to 12 and therefore, we fought are obligated to follow that as well. So this

ordinance basically changes of, you know, the number 8 to 12. And but that's that we are recommending approval of sub Sunday correction kind of some minor language and in code. Thank you, Ed. We have

one other person who is registered in asked to speak. That is David's a lot of if you could go over to the mike over there. Good afternoon. My name is Dave. It's a lot of I'm the vice president of

policy research for the Greater Milwaukee Foundation which is located at 21. 53 North MLK Drive. First of all, thank you, Madam Chair and members of the Commission for the Opportunity to speak here

today. We are in favor of this change in the ordinance. Jeff has a longstanding commitment to early childhood education through grantmaking research, convening Ys and policy engagement. Gmf is working

to improve access to and affordability of childcare across our entire region. Moreover, our and that education initiative, Milwaukee succeeds has effectively convened a broad cross sector of hundreds

of partners through the Milwaukee see coalition, including the city of Milwaukee. We work closely with child care providers, parents, employers, educators, and community organizations across Milwaukee

to expand access to quality affordable childcare and strengthen DEC workforce. Child care is essential infrastructure. When families cannot find care, parents struggle to work. Businesses struggle to

hire and children. This critical early learning opportunities, research and parent feedback consistently points to access as a major challenge in Milwaukee, we support this ordinance change because it

aligns city policy with the bipartisan state law and gives family childcare providers greater flexibility to meet the ongoing demand of care in our region. This isn't a stand-alone policy solution to

the childcare crisis, but it is a practical change that expands options for families supports small business providers and strengthens Milwaukee's workforce and economy and economy. We respectfully

urge your approval and thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you. Commissioners, are there any questions for Mister Slot or Mr? Richardson? Known for me hearing none. Then is there a motion

to close the public hearing and on this item? Commissioner Washington, a motion to close item. Number 2, 6, 0, 6, 4, 2, and a motion to approve. The item is presented. We have a motion. Is there a

second? I'll second that. We have a motion a second. Any further discussion during Non Commissioner, Washington Commissioner Moody Commissioner Gonzales. I'm Commissioner Smith. Aye Motion carries.

Thank you very much. Moving on to and number 3 substitute ordinance related to the change in zoning from 2 family residential RT for to neighborhood shopping and asked to to allow wider mix of

commercial uses on the property located. And 28 41 South Howell Avenue on the West side of South Howell Avenue, southeast south and East Schiller Street and the 14th Automatic District. Hey, Kristen,

Connolly, D City planning the subject site is just to the west of Humble Park and is currently zoned R t for it consists of a rear duplex which the owners have rehabilitated and rented out and a

currently vacant two-storey building along south how avenue that they can structure previously operated as a mixed use building with a bar in the first level, an apartment unit on the second level.

The site was purchased by the applicants who are baby residence in here with us today a couple years ago. And they envision revitalizing the structure and restoring it into a mixed use neighborhood

oriented establishment that it was once was. And they're here to share more information on their plans for that site. The proposed zoning change before us today is to rezone to neighborhood shopping

or and asked to that will allow the first floor commercial space to be occupied by a range of neighborhood serving commercial uses such as a small cafe retail shop or audit art studio. The site's

located within the boundaries of the Southeast side area plan and more specifically situated within the areas be view neighborhood in 2023. The Common Council adopted the Bayview neighborhood plan as

an amendment to the Southeast side plan. That plan notes that the how avenue how avenue is predominantly a residential street dotted with commercial activity and recent investment and rehabilitation

is of buildings is evident allowing for additional commercial uses are multi-use over time could present an opportunity along this important transit corridor for the more that for Howell Avenue, the

plan recommends fostering a current mix of uses while encouraging smaller scale multifamily buildings and mixed use live working commercial, particularly north of Homer Street and at transit stops

than us. 2 zoning district is an appropriate district to enable the neighborhood serving commercial uses envisioned by the Bayview neighborhood plan and a way that's compatible with the neighborhood

context. So we conclude that the proposed rezoning is consistent with the plan recommendations and the site is within the 14th Aldermanic District Alderwoman to retrieve. It is a sponsor of the file

and he's expressed her support and we do recommend approval of the final Abby and Joe be. Yeah. I assume you're the property owners and you would like to speak. And yes, we are. Thank you, Kristen.

For the reduction to yeah. Are we move to Bayview about 8 years ago? Humble Park was a big draw for us to be in the neighborhood. We love the neighborhood and it's when we got the opportunity by this

building a couple years ago, we were really excited about the chance that some value to the neighborhood and bring some local small businesses into the mix. And we've had a bit of a struggle, getting

the permitting figured out with the current zoning become more restrictive than we initially thought it would be. So this change in zoning hopefully will free us up to be able to partner with some

local businesses. We've had a number of conversation with potential tenants, but the building is very dilapidated currently. So there's a significant amount of work that's needed to get it to a level

where future tenants able to see the vision for what they can do with that. Partly why we purchased this property was because when we drive around baby with her kids seen vacant buildings on such

thoroughfares joins us a bit crazy. So when we had the opportunity to buy this one, we wanted to jump on it so we could bring more local businesses and some activity around Humble park just because it

is such a central hub for our community. I also met with a number of the neighbors directly surrounding the property, had conversations with them. They are all very supportive and a bit tired of the

rundown building being what it is. And it's a do time for some updating. You took my question. Are there any other questions from commissioners? Yes, Commissioner Washington, I'm just looking at some

of the photos. He just kind of describe the site plan. So the white building this mixed use building is and then discuss to 2 structures behind it. Yep. So you can see kind of the especially the

picture on the left that front building is that the mixed use commercial building the ground floor previously was a commercial building up top was a one-bedroom apartment that is very run-down.

Currently the building behind it is the duplex that we have fixed up and rented out, have terrific tenants in there. And so that front building is kind of where most of the focus will be on this plan

going forward. And it currently is a good guy. Did shelves like there's no HVAC, no electrical know anything. So we would love to bring it back to life. Madam Chair, we will follow up question to

that. Looks like there's like a little garage or something in the bottom left corner and then is their future plans to potentially develop on that a lot of grass there or does not conducive for future

development? Yes, that lot is connected to it. So it's a double lot. So we are hoping to develop that law as a part of this, the garage in the back when we purchase that was condemned for to be

demolished by the city. So we have since demolished it. So there is no longer a structure on that back left corner and that. The grassy lot we're hoping to bump out the front structured to include

more slick. We'd love to fit ideally to storefront spaces. So we would use some of the lot space to expand the footprint that the existing footprint. And then we would love to have some type of patio

space depending on what commercial tenant we can find to create more. But again, like a continuation of the community hub of Humble Park. Any other questions? Hearing none. Is there anyone online that

wishes to speak? If anyone online wishes to speak on this item, please press your raise hand function at this time. There is none. Hey, thank you. Commissioners. Is there a motion to close the public

hearing and one where another on the side of this item. I'll make a motion to close item. Number 2, 6, 0, 5, 3, 4, and approve it motion. Is there a second second? Commissioner Smith, thank you,

Commissioner Smith. Any further discussion with that? I will take a roll Call Vote Commissioner Washington High Commissioner Moody Commissioner Gonzales and Commissioner Smith. I the motion passes.

Thank you very much. And best of luck to you and in regenerating this building. Thank you. Okay. Item number 4, a sub Senate substitute ordinance related to the 5th Amendment to the detailed plan

development known as Southgate Marketplace Phase one to allow the construction of a bank with drive-thru ATM. At 34 73 South 27th Street on the west side of South 27th Street north of West Morgan

Avenue in the 11th Aldermanic district. Because the Connolly D City planning the subject site is within the plan development known as Southgate Marketplace which was established back in 1999 for

several properties, including a Wal-Mart, former Marcus and and other buildings shown enough in the purple on the map. This site specifically is within within a detailed plan development known as

Southgate marketplace. Phase one, you might recall this particular plan development was before you last year when the former market sentiment, which is being converted to a banquet hall was before

you. And then a couple years ago that building just to the west of this, the subject site with the star was before you as well for an addition to accommodate a new retail store within that building.

The applicant that's here today is proposing to amend that detailed plan development zoning to allow development of a bank with a drive-up ATM on the southeast corner of the site. Somewhere that star

is the existing building, which is currently used as a sit-down restaurant would be raised if a bank is an allowable use within this plan development and the building design and site plans are the

subject of this detailed kind of an amendment file. The applicant team is here to provide more detailed presentation. But I'll just give you a quick overview of the plans which Intel a one story. 3500

Square foot building will be constructed with the stone veneer based Rick, the near and stuff the building will be oriented towards 20 South 27th Street and the applicant must work with our staff and

our design review team to ensure that pedestrian connections to Morgan Avenue and South 27th Street and landscaping giving. This is in the Garden district have been maximizes part of the plans. It

could abuse request the easternmost curb cut along Morgan Avenue will be closed and access to the bank will be via the existing access drive to the West. As part of this development, the existing

dumpster enclosure to the west of that excess drive used by the restaurant would also be remote. All signage will be Taipei, which is individual letters and logos. Existing freestanding sign that the

bank or the restaurant utilizes will be replaced with a monument sign with a stone that are part of the African air base and then signage associated with the ATM drive-thru is shown in their 3rd.

There's owning exhibits. This proposed development is located within the Southwest Side area plan which was adopted by the Common Council and 9 and amended in 2017 with the South 27th Street Strategic

Action Plan the planet. The area plan recommends providing stronger pedestrian connections between commercial buildings in the street edge using landscaping, screening and fencing to buffer parking

areas and not constructing additional curb cuts. Primary street frontage is the South 27th Street Strategic Action Plan recommends reducing conflict points between vehicles, pedestrians and bicyclists

said driveways and clap, crosswalks and the the proposed development. What you'll see in the presentation includes landscaping improvements. New signage, long and short-term bicycle parking removal of

existing Kirk on Morgan Avenue and construction of new pedestrian walkways on the site. So we conclude that it is consistent with the Southwest side. Are you on the sites within the 11th Aldermanic

district? An alderman for Dallas is here today can speak with I'm speaking from cell phone on this file. But in summary, we do appreciate the applicant team's willingness to work with the department

says and review team to ensure this proposal maximize this opportunity is to incorporate strong pedestrian connections, high quality building materials and design and substantial landscaping into the

development plans. The uses allowed for the plan development, as I noted previously. And overall, the proposal is consistent with the comprehensive plan for this area and as such we recommend

approval. One quick clarification on your and I happen to know then the answer, but I want to make sure that everyone understands that it is true stucco and not not even yes, yes, from what we

understand. Yes, it's true scale. So that's a neat standard. An alderman for Dallas. Would you like to add anything to? Thank you. Thank you, commission members. It will certainly be a shame to lose

the Southside Omega restaurant that has been there for decades and decades. Even the owner of the property has some of familial connections to that restaurant. So it will be a loss. But as time goes

on, we know the only thing that's certain is change. And this is that business certainly has served the community well, and I hope that the bank that will be coming to replace it will do the same.

I've had multiple discussions with the a construction team, but also with Bank of America to ensure that because it's located in a CRA neighborhood that there's a adequate CRE representation for the

community that needs it nearby. And then, of course, it is getting rid of that easternmost driveway will help with traffic congestion and accidents in that park section of Morgan Avenue. So I sold my

office has received no complaints or concerns about the development and I have no objection to it. Thank you so much. And thank you for being here today. I I have 2 folks that want to speak and I are

feeling it might be you, too. But if you want to Brian and Zach, if you want to introduce yourselves for the record and and go ahead with your presentation. Abs absolutely means Brian Hamrick, I'm

with the labor of civil engineers from the consulting civil engineer on this project, colleagues at COVID charges in the audience here and is happy to jump up here to answer any architecturally

questions. Okay. And yet believe have an exhibit like this should work from home for 2. If not it. I didn't prepare a brief power point presentation just to go through with this development. Look like

project overview, Christian, anyone through pretty well here. We're proposing to the raising of the existing restaurant and the subsequent ground-up construction of a 3500 square Foot Bank branch. In

this week's matchup quick, the city map to show you where we are. This is a snapshot of the existing survey just to show you were going to be reducing the square footage of the building considerably

the existing structure. There's a lot he to 8300 square feet. And it's a snapshot of our proposed site plan. As Christiane mentioned, we're going to be closing the easternmost driveway entrance on

Morgan Avenue there and just going with the one existing driveway entrance for the mall there a bit farther west on Morgan, it's a much smaller building footprint. There's one proposed drive up ATM

Lee and you'll see just north of the building. We are reducing the number of parking spaces on site by 3. We are also proposing one knew pedestrian connection to the 27th Street right of way. You can

kind of see in the southeast corner the project there that will connect nicely just north of that existing bus stop there. What it's going to mention, this will also result in the net decrease in

impervious area on the site. So it's good thing and will maintain the the pedestrian kind of circulation around this 8 and then connecting to other buildings on the site. Certainly it's keeping plan

theirs. Very little landscaping on the site today. So this this project will result in. I'm in my estimation of most improvement on the landscaping for the site. We've got our point schedule there and

that on the bottom, right, which I not able to read. Can you just talk about what you're trying to offer in terms of your landscape plan and what you're trying to extenuate in terms of pedestrian

connections, et cetera? Sure. So code does a good job of describing exactly what we're required to do here. I will preface by I'm not a landscape architect, but certainly the designer that put this

together is so where providing that kind of code required number of fronts, trees, there's a certain number that are required interior to the site as well work with staff to on a couple different

iterations. Most recently we were placed all the proposed stone mulch with wood mulch. So if we're definitely a flexible to provide what what was requested by staff state cite statistics that have run

through briefly, which is pretty large site, but 4.6 acres. We some of the stuff of already mentioned before. 3500 Square Foot Bank replacing an 8200 square-foot restaurant. Let's see. There is a

17,946 square foot of a land devoted to landscaping across again. These are numbers for the larger parcel here. No change in the number of building on site for going through. There's a 3 space

reduction in parking. We're proposing an increase in the number of short-term and long-term bicycle stalls here which is currently 0. That's it here next. A kind of go through the the different

elevations. This is what that East elevation a look like. Anybody has any questions here. Free. Stop me. Just say with the the post of the material, A T equates to sure what is what one member of my

my colleagues feet of one free to phone, a friend to us. If you could just introduce yourself for the record it Zack Littell car. One of the architects for the project. Zoom looks like your samples if

you just want to keep them up here. And so, yeah, this is this. This is this. This is this absolutely horrific. It's a great here. I have 3 different samples of the materials that are going to be used

as we talked about before. There's also stucco happening on the main entry. This is that the salvation so 27th Street, we have the larger tower with the signage that's on there. This would be its face

break. That's kind of white in this kind of color. And this is kind of a thinner material. But it does mimic the same exact look, as you know, full break. Everything has corners with the pieces and

all that. So that's the one side in the Middle area kind of just adjacent to the main entry, the darker color that will be also face break. But with that kind of it, I think it's more of a dark-

coloured kind of similar to what's shown here will set stucco that'll be end to that area all the way to the right with the glazing. That's that's around there. The main entry right above that has ACM

panel a, which is just it's the only area that's used kind of right and that area. So that's that's a sandwich. Storefront glass blowing. And then I yeah, I think I remember not having see through

glass in all areas. So there s. Correct. So yet if there's in kind of the secure zones right there, that will be it's a translucent film will be on here. I brought this is a sample. If anybody wants

to see it, this is a kind of opaque backing. But if you remove this, you can see that. And basically, you know, I can go through there, but it keeps the privacy on the inside as well. So we have a

wellness room that, you know, people can sit in that has privacy and there and then the back of how security areas that you know, how to send you the banking information. But we're keeping that, too,

is much of a minimum is possible in order to keep the glazing very visible and you know, it open to the inside as well. So the main the main 27th road and then Morgan, they both have as much visible

placing as possible to be able to see into that area. You want to pass that around? Yeah. Absolutely. Commissioners complained that you can you can you can pull it off and pull off like the one side

right there. You can see that it is a translucent to see to it for sure. That kind of larger square, his material that I have is that stone that will be on the face of the building. So if you look at

that, the bottom right there, the kind of more large red bulls, that's what that material would be. And I think if you keep going around the sides, it these are kind of the same materials that are

being used and will say you can go back to the and yet the South elevations. So this is I'm Morgan Wright. Here were the Bank of America logo is located. That will all be stucco in there. And then at

the front of the white is it stucco there and then on the opposite side of the larger tower, that's where the ACM panel wraps around the main entry. So the majority of this is stucco. And yet there's

any other questions on any of the other elevations. Those are the 3 main materials that are going to be is just inches of the different films that are connection right now on the on that 27 side of

the building where the offices are excited. We're down. Morgan said the left side image we will have spanned to last at the top where that kind of you can see that the daughters of the dashed lines

and the reason we have spanned role in that area is because that's above the A C T ceiling. So we don't want anybody can a scene and they're all the mechanical units and everything like that. But

everything else will be either glazing are kind of frost and efficiently. And this is kind of a larger, you know, him and showing all the different materials that are going to be used here as well.

Next slide is on the money would sign this proposed in the southeast corner of the site, the slide. It just shows the kind of what's there today and what we're proposing in conjunction this

development. And then the what the middle image doesn't capture is that the base of that sign will be brick materials. Well, and that is compliant with the city. Ok, go back to think of gone past. My

would you like to say anything for the record or at least introduce yourself for sure? Mitt Brickman the my company's billing management. We. Weve on the property for about 20 years and the managing

partner. And yes, the alderman said it's things changed in its kind of sad to lose. So make of that 8200 square foot restaurants these days are just that people are going and why start and the

building itself is old and getting older and it's, you know, so. Brain Bank of America, I think it's great for the neighborhood. It's a different service for the community, but it's it's going to be

anchoring the community and soured secure. And so when I called him and said, it's it's it's changed. But I think it's just. And he questions from the commissioners. His commission, Washington, he

speaks to the services that Bank of America to offer. So I know that they have a new initiative to expand throughout Wisconsin with a couple locations comes walking area. So it's a curious what type

of services are going to offer if approved and want stay occupied a building. So mortgage lending, traditional banking, if you try to speak to what they're going to offer this community. So I can give

you the answer that we've kind of gotten for his part of drafting the narrative, speaking with the bank. I believe my colleagues is attending virtually Jeff Ashby. So you can correct me if I'm

mistaken here, but that the uses are all kind of those that are typical for a financial institutions, with withdrawals, deposits, financial planning, loans, things of that nature. So wouldn't be

anything too far outside the box. And if I could add up, I had similar concerns that that there there be a full this would be a full service bank, not ever full-service financial institution, not just

a walk-up where a line of ATM's, they're actual people and employment. And because this is located in a community Reinvestment Act neighborhood, I think it's very important that not just the mortgage

lenders CRE and there will not be a full site full-time mortgage lender assigned to the branch, but they will cover a number of branches, which is frankly typical in today's market. I have intimate

knowledge of that, but there will also be investment services at the banks. And then my follow-up was estimate on the number of jobs it's going to create. So there's a max. The number of employees

pershep varies, but a maximum of 11 per shift. Thank you. It can come through other questions from the commissioners. We go to the conditions. We didn't making go to war time. Sorry for sure. Get for

this one. We just recommend straight approval, OK? With their design review team got extensive least, okay, honest and Israelis or anyone who would like to speak on line. If there's anyone online who

wishes to speak and provide testimony for this item, please press your raise hand button at this time. There is none. Commissioners, any other questions or would you like to make a motion to close

public heating hearing and on this issue? It's commission wash and a motion to close item number close. The public hearing for item number 2, 6, 0, 5, 3, 2, and approve as presented. I'll second that

motion. In a motion a second. Any further discussion. All right. Then I'll do a roll Call Vote Commissioner Washington by Commissioner Moody Commissioner Gonzalez on Commissioner Smith. I motion

passes. Best of luck to you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Item 5 file number 2, 6, 0, 5, 3, 3, and ordinance related to the change in zoning from General plan development known as

bookends to a detailed plan development to allow the construction of a multi-family residential building at 7.11 East Kilbourn Avenue and 8.22. North Van Buren Street on the east side of North Van

Buren Street south of of East Kilbourn Avenue in the 4th Aldermanic District. Okay. Great time. Your funds take a department of City development. So in 2008 Common Council approved the rezoning of the

property is located at 700 East Coburn Avenue, 7.11, East Kilbourn Avenue and a 22 North Van Buren Street from downtown high-density residential or C 9 a to a general plan development or gpd known as

bookends. The zoning change to allow for the development of a 2 of 2 new 20 story. Mixed use buildings with up to 230 residential units on the upper floors and retail and commercial space on the first

floor. The property at 700 East Kilbourn Avenue Avenue was subsequently removed from the gpd and is now a mixed use. Residential development known as the ascent. The 2 subjects sites at 7.11, East

Kilbourn Avenue. And a 22 North Van Buren Street remains owned. General planned development and that's what we're here today to discuss. So the 2 subject properties are currently a gravel lot and a

surface parking lot. And some of you may recall in 2000 to 2025 City Plan Commission and Common Council did review and approve an amendment to the big book ends Gpd to allow a temporary community

garden and trim use at the property, though that wasn't implemented because they were able to move forward with the development sooner than anticipated. So this zoning change was requested by new land

Enterprises to allow the construction of a 25 story for-sale residential continent, condominium tower on the site. And the development team is here today will provide a detailed presentation, but I

will provide a brief summary. The proposed development known as enough. So bookends Ascent Cena includes 226 dwelling units, 412 and or vehicle parking spaces. 68 total bicycle parking spaces.

President amended amenity space is a ground for residential lobby and building services service areas. The proposed building will consist of 7 levels of split level parking and degraded within the

building podium, residential units occupying the upper floors and various indoor and outdoor residential amenity spaces throughout the building. And the building will set up the property lines on the

north of these Kilbourne Avenue and West North Van Buren Street sides and will be set back between 3 feet and 10 feet on the east side and 3 feet and 3 feet, 2 inches on the south side from the

adjacent property lines. The south setback is adjacent to a multi-family building is proposed to be a concrete walkway. And the applicant intends to work in good faith with the adjacent multi-family

residential neighbor to the south to see whether the setback area between the 2 buildings can encompass shared easement between the 2 properties to allow both properties to utilize the entire space

for maintenance as required. The applicant intends to request for loading zone spaces along couple run avenue frontage to accommodate most deliveries as well as move ins and move out. And the public

ally may also be utilized as well as scheduling can be coordinated with adjacent property owners to not interfere with their access or parking streetscape. Ng is also proposed for the space adjacent

to the building and improvements within the right of way will be coordinated with the Department of Public Works. Lighting will be utilized on the building as an architectural accents in place

elsewhere for pedestrian and residents safety. The mechanical movers for the garage and elation are located on the east side of the building and anticipated locations are shown on the elevations

within the detailed plan development exhibits as the applicant finalizes, the mechanical ventilation plan. Staff continue to encourage the applicant to be mindful of the placement of these lovers and

proximity to the existing residential units and of course, to comply with the Milwaukee code of ordinances. With respect to noise levels, the site is within the downtown area plan. The plan envisions

new development on underutilized land throughout downtown and for increasing supply of downtown housing to grow the downtown population and encourage high-density development consistent with this type

of proposal. The plan also recommends providing a range of housing types and increasing opportunities for home ownership in downtown, including the development of new for-sale condominiums. And the

plan encourages economic sustainability and resilience by promoting high-density development throughout the downtown area to help build the city's tax base and support public services citywide.

Therefore, the proposed detailed plan development is consistent with the downtown area plan. Before I turn things over to the applicant team, all just review our staff recommendation. High-density

residential development has been caught long contemplated on the subject sites for the last 2 decades to be more exact. And this development will be the first for sale, multifamily condominium

development with Milwaukee. In recent time. Along recent time, staff recommends approval of the file with the condition that the applicant provides a status update to the dcd planning team on the

South setback design in coordination with the adjacent property owner prior to the zoning neighborhoods and Development Committee meeting. And we know that that work is underway. So we thank you for

that. And then the second condition outlined in the staff report was with respect to clarifying the surface material and design within the South setback area. And the team has provided additional

information that's in your your packets today. So we feel that that's for felt. Thank you. Joy was nasty with new Enterprises. Just want to thank you all for being here today. And I'll turn over to

Mark Larson from court assumptions, Chair Mark Anderson with core architecture. So it's kind of work walk to the presentation. There's already been a great description about the projects country to

skip through the information they've already received. But up to TWENTY-FIVE story building a 20226 units in parking, a partner and 12 at this time. We say up to that was based on the original. It's

based on the current plans, but there is the ability for I kind of units to be combined. So we're saying so that could be a reduction. But we can't go over, OK, and then fully many times building as

well as was described in. This is on the corner of Kilbourne East Coburn and North and Iran. Again, the bookends to the center building, which is to the north of this building on the other side of

Kilbourne and as described it is taking that to existing lots. That will be combined into one on that on that corner as we look at that site and also just kind of a quick diagram of how the new podium

tower would sit on that first floor as well in in relationship to the adjacent structures. As you're familiar with this site there, it is just a combination of gravel lot and surface parking at this

time. And to say yes to something because I hate to interrupt, but okay, I could. I just understand the building is going to be. Over a year to write your building a mission. Have you signed up to

speak, ma'am, if you signed up to speak to any of your form, I feel something out of their own perfect to take 3 years. That's where we will get to you when you join the public testimony. Thank you so

much. If so, currently kind of aligned with the on that side that was just described aligned with that Ali entrances. Well, and just kind of the vantage point from on East Coburn at the intersection

of these Coburn and north and Iran. And again, looking back from Van Buren to the north with a scent in the background, the existing its existing site plan. And then just the demolition plan just

removing the existing surface parking and expanding. We're also working with DPW on adjusting to current protected bike lanes along north, endure and its where the entrance to a parking structure is

which is set to slightly adjusted to accommodate that. And then also working with DPW with extending the bike lane on East Kilbourne. We live in relationship to what's already happened by Cathedral

Square and as they're starting to look at and taking that east. So we're starting we've already been having conversations with them and in coordination with them come forward of kind of identifying

are loading zones, protected loading zones, as well as kind of just in that parking and providing additional protected bike lane along that surface, that surface on the right also showing that we are

providing landscaping along the 3 sides, even to the east and to the neighbors to the east so that we have a little bit of a buffer between especially the kind of money into a little bit closer and

then also the other apartment buildings as they look on to the grounds there. There is landscaping on the backside or to the side of the building. The alley continues through are now to Ali was

vacated by the city years ago, said that steps 80 feet from our South property line. And so that does not continue through that stops within the 80 feet. And then there is the land. And then as we get

to the north part, so where there's 4 townhomes, there is already an easement agreement that we needed to set back off for that and that complies with the fire department. And yeah, people. And so,

yeah, we've designed going to be able to come in do that to setbacks accordingly. And so from the cold perspective, what we've done is basically designed it back to if this were still zone for a to C

9, a the front setback is no more than 10 where it just 0, 2, at the first level where we do have light are double story pleasing to activate first floor, having that set back a little bit further for

some landscaping, but for as well and to the north, having 0 set back as well. And then on the rear setback, we have 10 chart 10 feet and then 3 feet at the alley and then as well as the 3 feet for

the site setback Percy 9 at the south. There was a question earlier talking with staff regarding how we'd want to light that the area to the South, especially we want to make sure that we have

fixtures that only eliminate down out so that we do have the safety. There were not shining directly into any of the students. So that's the intent on that south. We don't have any other penetrations

along that south side so that they can maintaining privacy. They have and we don't have any exhaust or anything coming out of that person. From a move in perspective. We have a little bit of the alley

that would be where trash continues to kind of pick up as they do for the other businesses on that side. But we do along North Van Buren have kind of a bicycle storage access directly there at the

ramp to the upper level parking from the alley is into the first floor parking garage which only has about 20 parking spaces and then small and large parcel would be through the front door. We also

have the ability to go along the east side for other large parcel that would take us more directly to the they are court without having to go through the front lobby, can protect flooring and then as

well as that's how we probably think moving through as well. So they are and to bring furniture through there. And it's a little bit more clear, a can of larger doors, etc. So a loading zone primarily

for large and move in with be in the loading zone on Kilbourn Avenue. Just kind of the floor plans as a den, a fine, the kind of stack up. But first floor second floor are many spaces with pleasing

that activate both Kilbourne and our friend Aaron, chasing the renderings for that. And then the parking plates that go up to the 7th level as well. And then as we kind of stack about, and that is to

the combination of many spaces and apartment or condo units. And as I mentioned before, there are some kind of set could become I'm so the quantities could shift a little bit. The top floor has a sky

lounge and rooftop terrace as well. And on top of the podium has outdoor amenity spaces for that tenants as well. And this is just the first floor plan where time the we're activating the kilbourn to

which is to the left on the screen and Van Buren is to the bottom of the screen. So it's a double-height space that we're activating there and then to the alley to the south there, more of the support

spaces that are a little bit more back of house as the this is the viewpoint from the intersection of Van Buren and Kilbourn to again the 25 story Tower podium space. So I would broke up the massing

of the podium in 2 different elements with metal panel and brick working with the verticality of the elements that are happening on the tower trying to bring these architectural metal fence down onto

that corner element, which is more of this to a box and tree. We had to have a close. It will show you there. And this is the view looking East. So as we're approaching from computer squared to the 2

lake again represents how it was designed as bookends along with the cent per the original G B T. And this is looking west to this at the elements as well. That front, this is an entry again, Kilgore

in Van Buren. The glazing is double-height space. We activated by the lobby love lounge space, a two-storey fitness environment and then co-working space as well. We do have and I do have a Dak

document that will show where we do have frosted glass that faces into the podium. So we want to be able to bring kind of transparency through the architecture. They don't want to look up into a

parking garage in see cars and parking structure lighting, which is never usually to present or the utilities that might be working through those and that through those faces, just this gives a little

bit of a diagram of how those metal panels are little bit tempered. So trying to play with the light. So is the latest move around the building. The architectural panels will dance a little bit within

the architecture. And those are the same kind of panels that were bringing down the podium at that mean entry. And then again, just how the building would fit into the sky line with that rooftop

terrace and skydeck that just kind of provide a little bit more information on that double-height space, those articulation. So we've purposely designed the glazing that's in that kind of tool box and

tree element to align with the the inset balconies and the balconies within the architecture of the building. We've kind of use that as a tool of how we break up the massive, both the tower itself and

break up, break up the podium. So then diverted tally of those windows that are within the podium aligned with the architecture that does keep on rising up, but also wanting to break down the scale of

especially the podium environment as we're at the pedestrian level. So if you're driving down the street, that's the space that you really do kind of experience and how that would kind of relate back

to more of the historic kind of scale of the neighborhoods. And the this is an example of what articulating that we're talking about at night. We don't want to over light the structure. We just want

to enhance and bring some kind of language to those fans that are on that element on the corner. And then we do have a delight still coming through at at the the glazing that is going to the parking

structure. But this would be integrated into the canopy that on the lower level and an architectural fan, that band that cause that that mid-level the fixture that we're looking at is about 2 inches

square. And so we can work within that 4 inches of the stuff in. And then if we need to go up tonight at 6 inches, we can still accommodate it there. So we're just really trying to blow up and not

totally. We don't want to flood the night sky. And in regard to some of the other a textural elements that we have, anything that at that pedestrian level, especially is quality material. So we have

primarily break glass and at that first level, also trying to change some of the articulation of the architecture with a little bit of insects and banding. So we do have some to 3 quarter inch setback

and that banding on the architecture of the break. So it's not just a plain sight. And again, this is the garage entry along Van Buren, where we also have some a little bit articulation that within

the brick that matches the glazing up into the parking structure. But also how we did adjust the architecture in conversation with city staff so that it's a little bit more open for parking for

Parker's that are exiting the building so that they can see any pedestrians and bikers that are coming a little bit more free and as well as gives pedestrians a little bit more. He will also have to

have a warning light signal for any pedestrians that will be coming that went to grab stories opening. It signals that somebody is exiting the building and this is just the overall architecture of the

so the elevations. So before you can see renderings, which is the better portion on Tony had mentioned in regard to the exhausting on that East side, I would definitely be working within the

parameters in the code requirements for that any noise that would be a testing here. We also did locate the exhaust in a location where it is in the widest point of the alley. So there he went back to

kind of that first image, the properties across do setback at different elements we want to have provided at the place where there's the widest expanse of space between that next Allie. So continue to

work through that and with our engineers to make sure that any any concern from the location would be kind of taking care of that. We think that we're we've been we've located intentionally with the

space that would give us the base buffer. The highlighted in pink are the elements that would be the frosted glass. So again, provide transparency at night but not seen the cars as well. And again,

the the other elevations, the 2 stations, the right to show kind of the profiles of those fans, kind of this chance for dads of those metal panels that are within the architecture above. So they stick

out about 4 inches, just kind of can't back to the building. And then again, just a little bit more, that frost ugly thing into the parking structure. We do have a restrained palette when this

building so commission of the brick and metal panel and then core get a medal panel that just a cici's between the buildings and they're all within the same tone, same pallet. And then as we rise up

into the tower, it's a lot more. When do all the current law system, these are just example, images of this, these types of materials being installed and again, to have that core get a medal panel is

also what's been used on a center. So kind of taking some of that architecture back over this book and just in a different pallet so that it's more restrained with this pallet. During samples for us,

we do not think it just because some sense are now going for them. Alaska has a a sorry we couldn't follow me to. These are just some of the example images we included just for the amenity spaces on

the interior just to show the quality of the material, the quality of this project. And then this last page is just as part of the DPD we had and included in and option to be able to have to temporary

signs on the lot just during construction or before construction starts of providing more information on the project to that scene, that presentation. To most questions for. So we're just going to be

alderman the option of speaking now or if you want to wait until either the after the public testimony afternoon, Madam Chair, members of the commission, it's a pleasure to be here, appearing to speak

in strong favor of this project. This has been a vacant lot for 50 years. The parking lot has been vacant. They used tear gas station on the corner. I think that was removed in the late 1980's early

90's. Since that time I've been make sure of asphalt parking and gravel. I know there's been several plans for these 2 corners, the ascent corner as well as his corner over the years. His way is file

has the bookend nomenclature because originally they were going to be too similar type buildings across the street from one another. It has real estate markets evolve. As the city evolved, those plans

changed. And Nuland sees an opportunity 2 for the first time in the better part of 15 years develop a high-rise condominium project in downtown Milwaukee. They believe their demand. I hear anecdotally

that there's demand for sex units. It's a big building. You have quite a few units and is a big plane. The reason for the number of units, he's so that the monthly condo fee, condo fees can be kept

reasonably in check compared to some high-rise buildings, which have relatively few units, which means the condo fees have to cover a much higher percentage of the building's overall operating costs.

So I think that's a sound strategy. Could condo fees can be a killer for residential developments like this? I think the architecture is outstanding. I think a large building has always been part of

the city plan for this location. I think this is one of the most prominent, the little Satan, the entire downtown area, the entire city of Milwaukee. In fact, it's close to light a very walkable

neighborhood. It's near lot of amenities. He's very close to office. Buildings and employment centers in downtown and at this think is an outstanding projects. I would urge urge the commission to

support it. Thank you. If the questions you're watching you, you had a new that you don't have the owners and any other questions of the government. Thanks. Thank you, Kim. Just a few questions be

spoke and said that you work with the BW for bike lanes. But I'm curious where you're loading zones are for deliveries. Move in Exeter. Get that on that diagram. I mean, you can switch away from one

of those pictures. I think that helps just so we can kind of see it in the in the. If you want their the it would be on here on Kilbourne Street, it would be the main primary loading zone here than

there would be either if it's a it's for move in and order like Amazon or DoorDash that occur at that location, smaller packages to go through the front door, work security at that point and concierge

and or if it's in the coordinated move in, they may be able to enter in a long to the east of the building, but the sidewalk and enter into that structure there. So to get more direct line to the

elevators without going to the lobby. Okay, there is also the access through the alley. But as Tony had mentioned, we were just want to make sure that we're not interrupting any the access for any of

the other users within the alley. So if there's moments that things need to be coordinated, definitely coordinate that. We do think that probably the better options so that we aren't interfering with

other people's schedules would be utilizing that and loading zone south of color. Thank you. And then one follow-up. So looking at the so parking is floors one through 4. So there is a little bit on

the first floor. It's up to 7. Okay. 70 others are that the that parking in a million? 25 is residential units. Have a quick question in regards to the financing for their NEC funds be allocated to

this project. The mission. A fall. It's this heavy, heavy timber building as well. You know, it's that country. That's no commercial, correct? It. You know, we want to activate the base as much as we

would ask that that that's why we did locate. We have 2 story fitness space on there and then as well as the lobby environment. Okay. We're going to go ahead and open it up for him. Public testimony

starting with Susan Roberts. If you could go up to the mike and introduce yourself to the for the record unless you need it has to sit in the arena, sit at the table. I'm just totally against know.

You need to be the introduce yourself for the record and and then I'm totally against it. Not that it matters. I've lived in an old building. And about 15 years ago, we had out what I call a

multifamily to call this multi-family, I think is an understatement. But we had a condo go up on Kilbourne right in front of my building, completely blocked my view of Kilbourn Avenue. And now in this

little lot, I don't think it's much bigger than a big loaf of bread. They're going to school uses that he a stop. And I just think I'm feeling very encroached upon and squeezed. And I wish you could

find some property somewhere else to put such a big building. You're taking away my sunsets. I'm not going to see in the same. I just don't I just resent all these big expensive buildings going up. I

know the lady said that there hasn't been anything built in the region. Future will be a set was just built some 3 years ago. There's been all kinds of high rises going up up along prospect of Donna

Long kill board and how on not going to whine about it. I know it's already been decided, but you're taking away my sunsets. Can I can we ask you a question for you? Miss Roberts, one of the

commissioners has a question for you. Oh, sorry. If you go back to Mike, are you in a rental building or you own a condo unit is that your building was built in 1913. Okay. Frankly, Haddock. Hot.

Yeah. Right to mark that. I just question is for which a big building with someone else. Thank you. Thank you, Dana, for a look. Dana, you answered my questions. I was looking for us and Asian the

show, OK? Thank you. Looking at in 4 games, he was unsure and would like to speak. So I his questions have been answered. Thank you, David. Good spent the past in close what you can just introduce

yourself and your address for the record. Good afternoon, everyone. My name is David Guzman. I am a resident of the 804, through 806 Northam, UNC apartment complex, also known as the county court

located immediately south of the laws proposed for the Senate. And I am opposed. I have called Milwaukee my home for the past 9 years and the East Town neighborhood for the past 8 during which I have

seen that the neighborhood change when they received the notice of public hearing for those not a luxury housing project developed by new Enterprises. I was startled by the possibility of yet another

luxury high-rise construction just like the ascent on 700 East Kilbourn Avenue. But this time barely 4 feet from my apartments north-facing windows. The construction of the ascent and other luxury

apartment building developed by new Enterprises took place between 2022 1020. 22 at the time, we did not think that construction would affect much of our everyday lives. Unfortunately, this assumption

was proved wrong with drilling noises, dust and trembling which were unbearable despite this luxury project being carried out 500 feet away. What can we expect than when the rising of is that it takes

place only a handful feet away from my home and directly outside of my window, the 1917, building I live and has no central a C and when those are regularly open throughout the day year, my spouse

works from home alongside our pet cat, who completes our household. Call me a pessimist. But I anticipate this luxury project to impact our daily lives even more inevitably affecting our health with

noise, pollution and dust. I also anticipate these effects to carry on even after construction is finished just as they did with the ascent these past and possibly future issues and concerns pertain

to myself, my household and my neighbors, those included. However, the larger picture looks equally as bleak, even though that the piece of metal or the notice of public hearing does not mention it

does. And that is marketed as a luxury yachts. Luxury condos for sale to be constructed in front of the ascent. Another luxury apartment high-rise by the same developer nearby enterprises. The so-

called luxury living projects for false sense of luxurious leading was exacerbating the neighborhood came to occupy the years 2026 and we're living through abysmal housing, economical and social

crises there. For the average person, myself included can barely afford their basic necessities in housing included to put it to whomever is responsible. I ask cooled this luxury high-rise is for I

see it. This project seems like a vanity project to have checked out of towners no offense against them. However, it does not serve current Milwaukee prep professional such as myself on the verge of

abandoned in Milwaukee to helping accessible. It continues to become I do not expect near like enterprises to solve the housing crisis we are facing. However, I believe that's yet another unnecessary

luxury housing project does not respond to the needs of milwaukeeans to approve this project would be and prudent decision that goes against the wishes and needs of the neighbors of the East Town

neighborhood and Milwaukee. Thank you. Thank you. We'll walk. Justin Johnson. I'm also on the site. You use your questions. Curtis Quest News. Good afternoon. My name is Curtis spoke with the live at

8.35. North can street No. My property manager there for Edgewater. We on the parking lot across the street from the on the boulevard. Their next corner strongly opposes. You know, this seems like a

done deal just like the restaurant it in the ascent Eunoia voice complain about things and nothing. You know that the city doesn't care. You know, you got to wonder if people are getting Greece tear,

you know, who's Greece in these people to let this go on. You know it to my tenants like Susan here need parking spaces. You keep on taking parking spaces a week. Look what you do with that with the

bike thing on Van Buren. You know who uses that Waste? Management Department of Public Works trucks, deliveries, 6, maybe 7, 6, maybe 7, 6, maybe 7 bikes used it all week long. You know, and then

you've messed up will streak. You could have done the same thing by angle parking which would add more parking spaces. You know, yes, so old. What then? The cast re the northwestern mutual without

even a public hearing. What is it? You know, who listens to us? You know. I keep my tennis need parking spaces and keep on taking it away and you'll do anything about it. You know, the the

Knickerbocker can't even sell her condo then. And this guy want to put a luxury condos for let like a gentleman before me. All these people are for up from out of town. You, Chicago, where ever, you

know, they will give a d*** about what goes on and street. Look at the weekend, a Friday night or Saturday, you know, you you got the valleys or people going to this new restaurant or or the tenants

go into the ascent in a driving down the street the wrong way. It's like, who cares? You know, you never see a cop. Then no one ever gets pulled over there. You know, it's in parking yet more parking

spaces by the ascent than you have the whole black. Well, we don't to Ogden, you know what's going on here? You know, it's like, do you even listen to it to us? He know wise is meeting even here. You

know, it's like really, you know, yeah, we're going to give them the little bit little bit of a voice, you know, and and nothing's going to happen because, hey, it's a dundeel. They want to put the

sign up right in this restaurant opened up at what, 5, 5, weeks ago. I have nothing against. Doesn't his opening up or anything else like that? My question was when I won it voice a complaint was

where these people going to park in. My it was was was a validated yesterday when I'm out in front of my building doing some from fireworks and everything else like that. And 3, 3, cars parked in

front of my building to go through this part of the restaurant. You know where my tenants going to park on. You have you don't give a d*** about all the rest of the people that live here for 2030, 15,

5 years. You know, we've put in our time, you know, and the people won't take a more parking spaces. You're going to take the whole parking parking lot, you know, is which is going to add more stress

to the foot par construct such to the parking situation. Big business just you don't give a d*** about the rest of us. You know, it's like what the h***. To you. You said your building is the

Edgewater. Yes, the condominium unit know what it's it's aparments same. Same building is Susan's 8, 3, 5, North Cass Street. Okay. You know, and the other thing is have you ever been behind yet sent

they have a huge intake thing that comes on 24 hours a day. You know, I hate to be the building. I don't know if this gentleman right here is in that building or not. But that think just rollers, you

know, has has the city been there and to listen to that noise when when when the fans around, you know, I can imagine that's going to be the whole back, the whole alleys going to be all noise, you

know, and and I'm going to have any sunlight in the back of my are, you know, they can be with 3 feet from from my from the property line. There goes my flowers. There goes, my grass is going to be

dead. Everything's gonna be dead there. 25 stories that we're talking about. There will be no light. I'm gonna have 10 minutes to light. And that's it, you know, in the back of the building from 8 and

it, you know, it's like what the h*** who's Greece and these guys. That's why speaker. Just last week announced last Speaker I have. Is there any speakers online? At this time, if any online attendees

wanted to provide public testimony, please press the raise hand on this item at the moment. There is not OK, thank you. In some follow-up questions, you know, not only based on testimony, but just

based on some of that anecdotal things I've served in the Seminole Werther, any neighborhood meetings held regarding this project by you or the or the other? No, there's already a general than the GDP

was already in place. So we did have a note through this process dcd to send out notices to all the residents. We also sent out a notice to the property owner's policy on the job site as well. So all

the property owners to receive a communication from us and what changes occurred from the gpd to the DPD that you're asking to have approved today? Are you high or are you more united carries a little

bit higher. That's it's the same sort of adjustment that we made for the ascent projects. I think both originally the gpd was asked for 20 stories. And so both the center and our project are just

asking to go up to send us a little bit taller or says that 25 stories that that's the only primary difference between that building height. Complexity of this development in my mind is the

relationship with the building on the south and a 3 foot setback where there's windows that kind of make that property on marketable. Have there been options explored too cut back the plan to open up

that South line? And I understand that that would result in losing parking and maybe some reconfiguration of your amenity floor. But I really feel like he would be. We draw our development. We did

study that element in order to make that work along with some of the other parameters of the building. We don't have to step back the towers self and to be losing up to 46 or 8 spaces on each floor,

parking as well as we've probably be losing units for. So it was. So then we were just kind of looking at what the code does allow. That's where we are designed to that 3 feet. They're building is

offset up to 5 feet. And so between the buildings itself, there will be about 8 feet between the 2. So just working within what the guy, what's their current zoning to allow. We didn't want to ask for

anything special. We're just I'm designing to the current codes. There are any other follow-up questions from the commissioners key over the parking ratios. So we're 412 parking spaces right now where

the 226. So what word providing is at least one parking spots stall for all one bedrooms, 2 parking spaces for 2 bedrooms with the ability for some increasing says well. Parking ratio is larger than

what we've been seeing on most multifamily developments. I think given the condominium model there providing significantly higher. A ratio, then we've been saying for other development and watches for

men market ability perspective. We didn't want that to be a challenge that they would have from wanting to be able to sell the units. I wanted to be able to have enough parking spaces for them. If you

can go back to the plans, so, you know, the plan sheet in a nutshell and there's an overall on their plan sheet and that show it appears as though reconfiguring but amenity floor, which I'm healthy

and has some units on it. But maybe that would be floor that you could scoop come out, come closer to the mike. You could scoot over. And then. There's a South terrace that was really important time

for the design perspective so that it comes out of that pool level. So then there would be southern exposure for that for that pool level as well. What's your understanding that orange thing is that

is a a it guest suite for units there, but it's tax with the units above. So all of the units to stack at that that orange and yellow level of. So if we push back that yellow level because we want to

maintain the deterrence to the south and we people and everything. From the testimony, there is some concern about the mechanicals. Can you talk about, you know, the plan is to. From the right thing

and placed yet. So we do have the designs that delivers are off the alley so that they don't go off the streets and it that's usually something we get caught on working with city staff is making sure

that those are going public side. So we did locate them in the alley so that they are in the place where there is the biggest space between any structure and said that what is that space? Tell me, see

if I can pull that image up. That might be helpful. I think the last site survey that I'm trying to get to have their tennis large images there. It's a slow return. And so that you can see that the 2

kind of more brown roofed ones are the ones that are set back another so that the ally itself is probably at 16 feet. And then I would guesstimate that. Then that would be another but 50 feet for

that, it at least. So that's where we are locating those that excessive areas, that that bigger kind of parking lot space behind. That's others, either buildings. Is it the same technology that you're

using an it's not necessary confirmed, but we do know that will be working within the requirements of the city code for what's allowed from. I always noticed ordinance. And how does that compare to

the distance between Ascents and descents goes right into the alley that's there. And then there's also just a parking lot located behind us and at this point, so that the sense like if there was ever

development on that parking structure centered only be going into the alley itself. So here are to the ally itself against those 2 structures could be removed as well at some point and something don't

at that point at that time. But it. Yeah, it's it's a similar situation to what was done. It is sent. It does not run 24 hours. It could turn on its only runs when the eye can see are the sensors

within the parking structure needs to have to returned, changed over. So then it's it's just whatever it's responding to the amount of pollutants in the air. So it's not continuously running thing. It

just turns on as needed and that's required and then turns back up. But we can work with the engineers to see if there's any other kind of technology to try to dampen the sound. We do understand that.

That's that require you to obviously don't want to our sound coming out from ours and drifting of the building. Either said we definitely be working within the requirements of the code. If that would

work to see if you can find other solutions as well. In Washington, did you have a question of lady Alderman what commissioner commissioner of elevated? Right? 2 questions. First, one testimony

brought a a the challenge for guests parking, but it's kind of the solution for visitors to come visit this property if they were to be developed. So I think that if there's long-term guess there's

the option for some guests that reserve spots within the building to assuming that first for parking the first floor parking level, I would have some that guests could for reserved for extended time.

So if you have a guest going or coming for the weekend, that space to build a reserve, that spot as well. How many guests parking spots are in their first level? There's that 20 parking spaces total.

Okay. Not all of them. Maybe reserve double that at this time. And then additional guest parking would just be Street Park. Encourage summits is coming for anything. They and them follow question is

did you all conduct lighting shadows study for the building? We did not conduct and specifically for this and the other questions from the commissioners. Is there any there were 3 people who said that

they? We're unsure, but it did not wish to speak as anybody change their mind there. Is there anybody else online, but chair? Online and there's a Christian truly. Christian blowing up. This is

Christian Trum Leon. I live on Kramer Avenue Creamery Street over on the East side. So not downtown. I did used to work at the Johnson Financial building just a couple months ago. I was not planning

to speak on this particular session, but I think I'm here. And so I might as well just voiced my mind disapproval for something like this. It's common knowledge that his apartment buildings. And I

mean, you can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't have the statistics, but well, this places the empty, we have a housing crisis across the country, including in Milwaukee, the from secret, either. So

building luxury apartment buildings downtown, in my opinion, doesn't make any sense. It's not needed. There's so many empty buildings around the city and hearing from the testimony of the other

guests. Obviously, this presents a major problem to them and the landowner to that building owners in the vicinity. And I think the commission should running have run a tighter program of asking are

questions about why these things are being proposed. You know, one of the commissioners asked a question about like China study seems like a pretty important thing to have conducted when you're

building basically right on top of other people. I don't know anything about those things. You know, that's not my specialty, but should be the commission's interests to make sure that the existing

residents are are looked after. So just want to say that and I posed that. I think you should do something else. What is the basis? It is if he wants. I do want to say that this is of for-sale

development as compared to a cent. Not that it, you know, just where to it's going to be solving a different housing crisis potentially. I don't know that that is just to make sure that that is being

weighed by those here today. Any other questions for presenters? The I usually don't let people back but come on a high again. David Guzman about the alleyway on the east side of the proposed building

currently that saw not only are where the dog trash cans are and garbage collection takes place. However, there's also parking lot is the proposed solution for those 2 in Maine. A Maine things that

the current president's you step out the way for should defection. Yours at all. All of our trash is located within the building going to be brought out for pickup. I'm sorry. I mean, due to the the

having and speed of traffic pattern in the area considering that they will be an interest to the parking lot in the in the proposed building. There's only the the. The 20 parking spaces it on the

first floor of our building is accessed off the alley. All the rest of the parking is located off of access top of the north end here. Ok, speaking of parking the current parking lot. You know, it's

one block away from Cathedral Square where many festivals and facilities take place, including the still days off. Farmers market at just in the park. You name it. How do you think it do you think

this will impact parking and just attendance to these events and just enjoying the park? I do think it will affect that. I know there are other parking structures within the vicinity that people can

still park in and pay still. So I don't know the numbers and what those would be. But I do know that there's still several other public parking at Spec's around the square. So it should not be noted

that the best. Okay. And 9, the DPD and mention said the proposed building includes South 5 to 6 levels of split split level structure parking a recent co-working space to sort of fitness center, golf

simulator and on many other amenities. Will these be only for residents or also for the for the neighbor? Neighbors there only for residents to be part of the H.O.A. Association because their it's

part of its ownership. So then they would have legality and kind of weather constraints, but it would be from the ownership. Okay. Following that, seeing that the PD I mentioned that the SEC TV act,

these active users create and engage in street presence and contribute to it active pedestrian environment along East Kilbourn Avenue and north. Then Buren Street. If these amenities are only 4

residents, how how can that be true? Because at the sense again, I live a block away and mind you, it is a very quite loud building, no matter where you walk through, but yet it's it pedestrian

activity. Pretty much the same eyesight from the parking situation which saw the other gentleman also mentioned, which it is unfortunate. When when when we mention street activation, it's about having

transparency into the building and kind of seeing movement and light, it's not necessarily about the kind of move back and more instead of walking down a street and having a solid wall with no

pleasing. We want people individuals to feel safe walking down the street when you don't have kind of that street kind of activation and kind of open to within the building. So that's what we mean by

that patients with the building and activating the street is that there's still movement and light coming from the building that will help also kind of activity that streetscape. So people will feel

safer. So something were happening outside people in the building would be able to see what's happening and be able to assist or vice versa. So it is basically an aesthetic aspect of it, but it does

not back to the community or do anything for the for the neighborhoods and the neighbors. Aside from the concerns on issues that many of us have already mentioned, it is not providing any additional

retail space, correct? Ok? Thank you. Okay, I'm assuming there's no one else online. We have heard the public testimony. Is there any other questions that the commissioners have? It's fun as I could.

And just to clarify, is there any language in the code that would restrict the height of the building? Well, great questions. So within downtown, especially when we're doing a detailed plan

development, we do have greater flexibility. So as as we had discussed earlier when the GPD was written and had anticipated 20 stories, but of course, some of those numbers, you know, there's a little

variation. And Mark spoke to that a little bit, including at the time the gpd had anticipated more units than what is being proposed here today, less parking than what is being proposed today. So

they've recalibrated for what are today's needs. Generally in the court districts in downtown, we don't limit the high, but the base zoning districts have what is called the floor area ratio. And so

that can really vary based on that basis, zoning district. And so some of the areas of downtown, we do regulate that a little bit more closely because there is tighter fabric to be mindful of. And

then there are some other area of the city where we anticipate the investment of larger buildings like this, where we think that's appropriate in the downtown area and that area of the city. So this

is one that we are we are, you know, open to in and supportive of because we, you know, do need investment in the city and certainly there their market analysis and their design a lot for that on the

side. So we you know, we don't kept hiting always, but in many areas of the city, we do. But and downtown, there's kind of some unique circumstances, obviously just given that downtown area. And the

fact that we do, we are open to there being some skyscraper investment. We don't get them very frequently, as you know, but from time to time. Any other questions? He speak to the anticipated

construction timeline. Yes, we're looking at certain construction next summer, hopefully right in the middle of summer. If we can, there may be some test ground tests and things that we still need to

figure out before you Q one Q 2 of next year, but hopefully start construction vertically in earnest summer next year and then anticipated building delivery. So is it a 24 month construction period?

18 months? What what is staying to sup aided potential construction time for approximately 24 months from certain solution. But of course, the exterior was the show is done and complete. It all be

moved interior. And just in terms of integrating that work with the lifestyle of of the community, just in terms of public meetings, making people aware of what construction would be coming. What is

your policy typically for that? It's case by case basis, right? So if we talk with the older talk with East Town Association on suggested methods of communication with neighbors, no problem doing so

keeping everyone in the loop on when that schedule is and when we plan to start construction, any other questions? Is there a motion on this item? We'll make a motion to approve item. Number 2, 6, 0,

5, 3, 3, I believe that staff. And if this could be a condition with what the condition on working out, the details of the south setback with the adjacent property owners. And you would be also

motioning due to close the public hearing to close the public hearing. Is there a second on the site? Second Commissioner Smith, is there any further discussion among the commissioners? I'd like to

add kind of the the coffee out that if you were to study a way to pull yourself back in the East and south directions that would be free. Welcome in between now and zoning in neighborhood development

meeting just as discussion. Is there taking is there any other comments? Questions discussion? Hearing none. Commissioner Washington, that Commissioner Moody, I Commissioner Gonzales, I Commissioner

Smith. I motion passes, congratulations and best of luck. So it made it that just gets more and more that goes through, right? It goes to the next step which is zoning and neighborhood development

which is an automatic body against. In the next meeting will be later October. I believe where this item will be heard isn't later later October. Thank you so much for your this staff member can help

provide you that information on your way out. If you stop by the table. Yes course. Thank you. Item number 6, file number 2, 5, 1, 9, to 4. A substitute ordinance relating to a temporary pause in the

establishment and development of data centers. Thank you, chair in the month. I'm going to provide a very brief overview for this item I run of show because we will be hearing from a few folks today

and there will be a public hearing. So for this next item Alderwoman Demetria but will provide an overview joined by Dave belting possibly from the Little Legislative reference Bureau from there. I

will present the Department of City Development staff report recommendation for the commission to consider. Assistant City Attorney Joseph Dobbs will also join us briefly after a complete the staff

report to provides some brief technical guidance for our consideration of the ordinance before us. We're also joined by the Department of Neighborhood Services staff. If there are any questions as it

relates to the administration of this temporary pause while it is in effect. And of course, this item also has a public hearing and like all other public hearings, if anyone here or online would like

to provide public testimony in person or virtually and has not indicated so, yeah, I feel free to connect with staff here today in person to do so. Or as we mentioned earlier, raise your hand during

the public hearing component, if you are online so the raise hand function and go to meeting. So with that, I'd like to welcome all the women Demetria. But thank you for your leadership on this. Thank

you so much. And thank you to the planning Commission for having this hearing. I think it's my first times in front of you at least in person and I'm happy to be here. Couple think using a little bit

about the how we got here. I submitted a power point presentation as well. Just like really straightforward. So I won't I'm not planning on going over that. And I'm actually keep my comments fairly

short because behind us are a lot of great diverse people that have been part of this movement, this movement in this discussion. But the any elected official, I couldn't be here without the support

of my colleagues. So I want to name a couple of our co-sponsors, some who are present of this legislation, Severino's who was willing to stand with us and there's many more that are joining us and

coming on board here. So we have Alderman Alex Brower, who's here, Alderman Russell Stamper is joining us. Virtually Alderman Bauman and Alderwoman more are are co-sponsors. But again, there's great

support on the council. And I really want to thank the council for being that level of government. That is the closest to the people. And this is what this is all about is listening to what the people

have wanted and spoken about. In fact, this is one of the hottest issues in our nation right now. And so with that, how do we get here? Well, we're joining over. We're just checking Dave and I and I

want to take this moment to thank Dave who has spent if we even counted, I would say just hours and days talking about data centers, maybe you are thinking about it, too. I know that our general

public is what's happening is technology is moving at such a fast speed, right where an interesting time to live right now. It could be helpful in many ways, but it's moving so fast. The government

just can't keep up. We're being asked to do and we need to rise to that occasion. So months ago, as data centers really began to look in Wisconsin and throughout the nation for places to build, we

realized in the zoning code that there was essentially kind of what I would say, no protection for the people. And that's the nature of my comments today is you'll hear me talk about the theme of

protection will be joining. Like I said earlier, we checked it's about 22 communities and calling for a moratorium or what I prefer flick moratorium. Most has kind of a strong connotations. Some

choosing the word pause, but you can choose what you'd like and government. You know, we often have to say no to things. But I want to just talk about how we were actually attempting to pave a way to

regulate this. If you see in the files, there was substitute a B. I think we're working on a see at some point. So we really did the legislative body, the problem solvers, the ones that are trying to

find solutions mean every day I get phone calls for things that I wish that I could solve and billing. I try. We looked at everything that we could to find the proper way to protect the people of

Milwaukee. I was even told once Maureen and no one's going to want to come into Milwaukee and build these, that doesn't make sense. The truth is there are interested parties. And as we work with our

colleagues and listen to the people we saw that there are no protections in the code as it is, meaning that someone could come. And actually this is what's really frightening. As you can see, my

PowerPoint presentation, there would be little space for a public debate or even a public conversation or vote. And that is not one government is working for the people. So that's why we need to make

this change. We need to have these protections in place. I found out kind of the hard way, but with a lot of great people in this room that it's not as easy as it said. I I always knew that a

moratorium or pause was on the table, but it's not something I want the public to know that can last forever. What we've been asked to ban this forever. That is not something within the governmental

tool box that we have. But what we do have is this one-year moratorium. This can give us the additional time that we need because along the way in these last couple months and versions, we found that

that protection just wasn't there. We looked from one substitute to another. I'll just give you one example, cause not technically before us. We're looking at industrial sites. Well, as you all know

and spent a lot of time, we were at heavy as I'm sorry, we were at heavy and then we moved to light industrial as a possible starting place. What we found and it's no shock to anyone in this room

whenever we want to apply citywide policy, your protection, not every part of Milwaukee has the same type of land or land use. In fact, there's a huge amount of inequity even when it comes to

industrial zones. So using that would seem like a reasonable starting point was already perpetuating inequity that we all know so well. And that was something that I had to struggle with. This isn't

going to be something that we're going to struggle with, but we need time to do that. And just a couple other points that I want to bring up and almost feels, especially to the Advocate and activist

here that we're bringing up the similar issues that have been discussed. But it's the concerns and the unanswered questions as an elected official in people call me and I'm not able to answer it. And

I don't feel that our attempts of the legislation to regulate regulatory legislation were able to rise to it just yet were things like energy use. We are seeing with these proposed centers, enormous

of home, an ounce of energy use. And this is at the same time. But the city of Milwaukee is actually an intervene or in the case with the public Service commission when it comes to disproportionate

amounts of electricity costs by a corporation on our rate pairs in the city of Milwaukee. So to add to that burden, it's one of the largest energy burdens in the nation will have a disproportionate

effect on our community and something that this Common Council is extremely nervous about. When we talk about environmental impacts, there's also unknown answers to the use of water. And I don't know

if Melanie is still here as you're in the corner. I know I held this up last time, but it's so beautiful. I'm going to end up again held up again. We can't drink data. Melania local artist made this

and we think are an actual local artist made this artwork work and it can be more perfect for the movement movement in the moment that we're in. We are worried about water use where my district in

particular is right along Lake Michigan and without proper answers to the possible disproportionate impact and use of water. We cannot go forward at this time. As I mentioned to there's over 22

communities from Madison to superior to lacrosse, to Oshkosh, Sheboygan that have done similar types of moratoria. And I wanted to say the last protection, which is what drove me to this type of work.

That's the protection of the people's voice. You can see who's in the room today. But when we look at government, in my opinion, not working for the people is Port Washington. You had 3 women,

neighbors and residents of our community that had to be dragged out of a community meeting. You all in the city plan Commission spend so many hours and we truly appreciate it thoroughly going over,

people that want to speak and be heard on items. And that's an important part of democracy. So what has to be essential in any regulatory peace that comes before the Common Council is the people and

protecting the people's voice that they know what's going to possibly be within a couple 100 feet that we talk about the noise impacts these huge humming noises who could even ever want to live near

something like that. We have to have people involved every step of the way and that will be built in any regulatory legislation that I would bring forth. This moratorium includes a clause that once

regulatory legislation is put forth, an adopted, the moratorium will be immediately rescinded. And so I think that's an important position show that this is not like us just, you know, closing the

book and not going to work on the regulatory legislation anymore. We're going to be doing it simultaneously. But the fact is, is that we need more time. We need to pause and we need to make sure that

any the path forward is lead with the people first. Thank you so much, Madam Chair. And thank you to everybody who's here. I'll be available for questions, but I really want to make sure that the

public has time it's become a sticky so much. Thank you. I want to thank all Drummond Demetria bench and the other Common Council members again, for their leadership on this critical issue. I also

want to thank everyone for the collaboration with city staff across departments on the S and of course, the public's participation in this important effort in our community as discussed, this

ordinance would create a temporary pause in the establishment of new data centers or enlargement of existing data centers for one year or until the zoning code is amended to formally define and

regulate data centers. As mentioned, cities and states across the country are struggling to determine how to regulate this new and unique use in a separate Common Council file that will create a more

long-term regulatory structure for data centers within the dad. Us within the zoning code has been introduced and we have begun the process of public review and discussion as we prepare for that. But

of course, we need this pause so that we can do that work and do that. Well, that separate ordinance will amend the city's zoning code to establish a regulatory framework for data centers. And until

that framework can be established, the sponsors of this pending pause sink to seek to temporarily prohibit the building of new data centers until such time as the city zoning code is amended to

accommodate this new type of land use. And we are committed to continue monitoring this type of land use. And we'll discuss that as we work on the regulations to ensure that we always have strong

regulations in place. As mentioned at the present time, the city zoning code does not specifically regulate this use given how new it is. And this pause is intended to serve as a stopgap measure,

allowing the city to best protect the public health, safety and welfare. While working to establish a regulatory framework for data centers. This ordinance will be in effect for up to one year after

passage or as mentioned until the zoning code is amended and this prohibition will not apply to plan development districts under Section 2. 95 907, of the zoning code. The Zoning Code Technical

Committee met on 8/10/2026 and determined that the proposed ordinance meets the criteria of legality and enforceability administrative efficiency and consistency with the format of the zoning code.

Our staff recommendation is as follows. This proposed pause would create a temporary pause on the establishment construction enlargement expansion conversion or new occupancy of data centers. While a

number of current data centers exist in the city of Milwaukee and improve and provide information technology services for local businesses and industries. Recent large and hyperscale data centers

developed elsewhere have resulted in reported negative impacts for local communities, including noise and air quality impacts because data centers are not currently explicitly defined within Milwaukee

zoning code. The zoning code does not differentiate between different sizes and types of data centers that may have varying degrees of positive and negative community impacts. Nor does it have

regulations that are specifically tailored to address the potential land use impacts associated with large-scale data centers that are growing in prevalence regionally and nationally. The proposed

temporary pauses, a limited land use planning measure to protect the public health, safety and welfare. While the city develops this more robust and evidence-based zoning framework for this emerging

and infrastructure intensive use data centers of all sizes involve unique infrastructure and operational equipment that warrant further local review, including potential noise, air quality and backup

generation considerations that are specific to data centers and may require zoning and land-use regulations that differ from other traditional industrial we're office uses that have similar equipment.

These aspects of data center operations may affect adjacent uses are relevant to the city's land use. In addition to the public health, safety and welfare responsibilities of the city of Milwaukee.

And this proposed temporary pause will enable city staff and policy makers to create and deliver it ever evidence base regulatory framework to establish these development standards, Taylor to the

scale and operating characteristics of data centers at all various scales in the community, recognizing that data centers may be an appropriate local land use if properly regulated to advance

community goals and put to help protect the public health and safety by minimizing neighborhood impacts. The process of crafting this regulations has begun with the introduction of Common Council file

number 2, 6, 0, 1, 4, 2, and staff find that additional research emerging best practices and data sets center regulatory frameworks and policy analysis including local land use review will be like

will likely be required to to develop as robust zoning code framework that best addresses Milwaukee's local context and land use goals and incorporates rapidly evolving guidance and data center

regulation. Therefore, staff recommends approval of the proposed pause and data center construction. While a longer-term side of the zoning regulations are developed for local review and approval for

this body and the city's Common Council based on guidance from the city attorney's office staff recommends that the proposed ordinance is updated via future substitute to include a few additional

technical language changes that preserve the intent of this ordinance, but do strengthen some of the implementing language with relevant city land use application processees and appeal process. He's

required by state statute. And these are just some things that as we were working on implementation together, we determined we could strengthen just for greater clarity for all. So I do welcome

Assistant City Attorney Joseph Jobs to join us to share more about those updates that we recommend, including in our City Planning Commission's approval. Thank you. Thank you, Tony. Good afternoon. As

she mentioned, our review of this has been ongoing. We're trying to be very active about providing the best regulations, say your name consecutive hours each day as it considered attorney Joseph job

surfing. Thank you so much. Our ongoing efforts revealed recently that there was some confusion about some of the terms of the ordinance as far as the actual implementation. So I consult Haitian with

my office. We've proposed a future amendment that is going to more clearly define what exactly the process of executing the terms of the moratorium is if someone decides to show up with a proposal for

something that is a data center under the original terms, it was somewhat unclear, which is something that as I said emerge more recently what exactly the process was to be, what accepted the result

was going to be for that application will make. It was certainly clear that it would not be accepted are changes are going to make it clear that there is a denied application. At the end of the day,

it's not just put on file somewhere or looked at briefly and handed back that there is a proper analysis to make sure that under part one of the proposed ordinance that the proposed use is actually a

data center as the ordinance as the moratorium, the pause is defining it. And as a result of that meeting, that standard, these will be denied and you'll be sticking around for any future for

question. Absolutely emerge. We appreciate that. Thank you very much. And that your service. That you have comments as well. Okay. We're just there for support. Okay, wonderful. Thank you. Any

questions of the presenters. All right. With that, we will start with the public testimony. And I just want to try and I ask that you Asa say, please state your your position for against or I'm

undecided. And I try and add on 2 instead of restating potentially some of the earlier testimony the evening to try and move this item along as much as possible. So I think there are some folks that

probably will need more time and we will. We will hear everyone. We will address everyone and will make time for this important issue. So starting with Julie's all birth, I think we're gonna use the

main Mike. Just avoid being up and down and let somebody needs to sit and that would be more than acceptable. Thank you. Good morning, Julie. I help her. I want to thank the Milwaukee City planning

commissioner members for your thoughtful review of filed 2, 5, 1, 9, to 4 for substitute ordinance relating to a temporary pause in the establishment and development of data centers. I'm here today

representing 1400 of public health and health care professionals across the state for members of healthy Climate, Wisconsin. We are a statewide nonprofit of health professionals who care deeply about

the communities we serve and the environment that we live in. We recognize that the rapid rate of development of hyperscale data centers across the country have left communities vulnerable to the

public and environmental risks that they present considering the lack of state and municipal safeguards. Wisconsin currently has 2 hyperscale datacenters under construction in Beaver Dam and Port

Washington. Along with now operational facility in Mount Pleasant proposals have already been submitted to expand the Mount Pleasant Data Center to 15 additional sites. The Public Service Commission

completed an assessment that found that these 3 AI data centers will drive. People keep growth in Wisconsin up over 4 gigawatts by 2032. That's twice as much energy as every home and in our state

combined. This increased energy demand combined with our current investor utility business model, where utility profits are tied to a guaranteed rate of return on all energy infrastructure that they

build has resulted in an incentive system where utilities are encouraged to build expensive gas plans to maximize the rate of return to shareholders in southeast Wisconsin alone. This has resulted in

2 new large gas plant proposals in Kenosha and Walworth County which are defined as bespoke resources, meaning that the power they generate will be exclusively used to power hyperscale datacenters.

It's more massive gas plant. Infrastructure is brought online to power hyperscale datacenters. We will continue to further threaten our already poor air quality of note on site diesel generators also

threaten our air quality and there are growing concerns surrounding the number present at each site and how frequently they're running. Southeastern Wisconsin is already an area of moderate

nonattainment and the EPA has ruled that it should be designated as severe nonattainment as health professionals. We see this impact on community health. Poor ozone is associated with increased heart

attacks, respiratory infections, asthma chronic obstructive pulmonary disorder, and premature death. Data centers are also driving up the cost of energy bills. The time when Wisconsin families are

being forced to choose between paying for groceries and paying for their utility bills. This year, we energies requested a 14% rate increase over the next 2 years. And energy bills have increased by

267% in states with a high concentration of data centers. The Energy Information Administration also reported an average energy bill increase of 11.5% in 2025. Outpacing inflation energy burden. The

percentage of a household's gross income spent on energy costs like electricity and heating can manifest and poor health outcomes that people feel the strain on their energy bills. They avoid turning

on the heat or the AC. They may skip on meals to pay bills. This can lead to heat illnesses, mental health issues and nutrition. And also the loss of power is especially concerning for people who rely

on energy dependent medical devices. Further, there has not been enough research done to determine how to protect the water consumed by hyperscale datacenters and the gas plants that power them. Data

centers use millions of gallons of water annually and their power needs require millions more during our freshwater resources. There are growing concerns about PFAS contamination and other pollutants

caused by data centers. Additionally noise light and he pollution from data centers can harm community health as well as wildlife and pollinator populations. Further we ask that you prioritize the

need for transparency with the public, meaningful public participation and requirement. The data centers are powered by 100% clean energy. When drafting data center standards. It's also important to

consider the inequity in current zoning maps, but the majority of heavy and light industrial zones located and historically disinvestment communities, especially in communities of color. As we have

already witnessed with the recently canceled Midtown Data Center proposal on behalf of healthy Climate, Wisconsin. We ask that the City Planning Commission support filed 251-9244, moratorium on data

centers in the city of Milwaukee for one year or until zoning regulations are passed. That safeguard public environmental health support for a moratorium and establishing safeguards is the smartest

way to ensure the safety and health of Milwaukee residents so that all communities can thrive. Thank you. Thank you all so much. Older now is Barbara Ponds. Are he him? I really appreciate the

opportunity to speak here today. Thanks for holding this hearing and really thank you to Alderman Demetria much for taking the lead on this fight. I really appreciated and thank you for standing up

for your community and for every community in Milwaukee. The wants to see these data centers brought under public control here, frankly, because what we're dealing with is a situation. And also just

thanks to all the activists who are showing up in all the community groups who have to have been putting out information and putting out the word on this on this is just the first step. So this is a

fight that we're gearing up. I think that year defined in some ways, but who your enemies are. And my office received a letter from the Milwaukee Metropolitan Milwaukee Association of Commerce Against

this file. And so I think it's really telling that the biggest businesses in this city want this to be defeated. So let that show the worth of this proposal, the big businesses against it. And that's

not to say that we should be just a guess what big business does. But that's an entity that not only has brought so much pain to the city of Milwaukee. They also just stand up continuously for the

rich and the powerful. But this is a hugely impactful thing. Your vote you cast today can move this proposal forward to zoning. Were those of us in the Common Council can vote to adopt it and the

mayor can sign into law confident that will happen. If you guys passed the state's I urge adoption of this resolution. It was really insight fully brought to my attention when a conversation I had the

other day with somebody who said that will if you're using the AI tools, wouldn't you know, isn't that a little bit hypocritical to be against something like this? Right? And I do want to address that

because when we're talking about systems, I just really want to urge the everybody that's operating within capitalism right now in the United States is and unwilling sometimes unwilling participant in

what's going on in this world. Right? I Google something and Google gives me the AI overview right away. I have been unwittingly using a data center even though I don't want to. That's just land. And

so so I want to urge members of this of this body and everybody in the public to understand that it is possible for members of the public to be opposed to this. Even if we are s***** into this new AI

high tech know nightmare that this got kiahnna me has become right. And so it's just it's just like, you know, it's nobody's fault, really that Amazon is so large. It is always fall warmers, just

warmer, destroyed every mom and pop retailer on in this country. These are systems and we look to the government here to help flood create new systems. And so that's what we're here today to have the

economic system as best we can here in Milwaukee that responds to the needs of the people in right now. The people are saying they do not want to single new data center in this city. I stand with

them. Thank you all for coming out today. Stacy's might might her correct? Thank you. I'm sorry. No worries. No worries. Gonna have to know chairperson and fellow members. My name is Stacy Smite. Sir.

I'm a resident that lives here in the city of Milwaukee and I am formally for this proposed moratorium. The reasons being is over the last several months have been one of the many loud airspace

screaming against have and Addison is here as well as mainly the data center proposal that was for Midtown. The reason why I feel it's vital that and also very thankful for all that our land, our

women, it's got involved in a situation and and not just look at us as being misinformed because throughout this process, you have heard a lot about residents been missing for Ms carrying information.

But me, on the other hand, I'm not misinform. I have the NBA in business administration, Hamas or current doctor, a student in organizational leadership. So you don't have to have a dba or have a

master's degree to be informed about what data center is. Our weather is you changing the name to facility or whether you changed it to 19,000 Square feet. So to be able to see all of U.S. presidents

here together as well as well as with elected officials, axing 4 yard to go ahead and put this paused its not like I say, we're not against development. We're not against big tech. Like Alderman Alec

stated, Yes, we all use AI use AI myself. But when it comes to data centers without us knowing what the actual effects is, it's not the round with putting a pause on it and allow for the community as

well as the residents to come in and play to see what's going on to see how what the long-term effects are. When you have open AI CEOs is called the name raising a red flag, telling the government to

put a pause on it. It is time that we put the pause on it. Not only is Madison and 22. The 22 other counties here in Wisconsin is doing. But back in June, I put up a post talking about how DeKalb

County County in Georgia as well as Atlanta, Georgia put a pause to data centers because they don't know what's taken. They don't know how it's affecting the community house, a victim of crime, their

violent place also to in housing crisis. I am a licensed real estate broker really have a 2 to 3 months of inventory. That means that is not good. When you have 2 to 3 months of inventory, that's a

housing crisis. So to be using our valuable resources to build data centers, taking away our water increase in R we energies, bill, they already want to get a tax hike. So it's more money coming out

of our pockets. When we creating things that does not have no value to us putting his moratorium in place. It's not say, hey, we anti development or anti technology by heinous, put a pause because not

only is the residence and this is not what we want, but we finally have of non-partisan between our elected officials in our residents. That is not an or that we get where our demands and our

residents come to non partisan agreement, something so that's to speak vitamin itself. They just put in this pause and allowing for legislation and come into play not only from a local level but a

state level, but from the national level as well. We have an election coming up in November once they come back into office. Let's see how they what framework they put into place. And then we mimic

our framework around that. So in the meantime, putting this pause on their, including closing out any loopholes, any loopholes that allow them to squeeze it and it should not be any special uses. It

should not be the terminal size were what they consider as a data center because, yes, we do have a couple already in existence. The prime example one down. And so we have a data center but don't

allow for them to continue to build on that one or it or expand because they say, hey, we are ready grandfathered in. So not only include the moratorium, but time close off all loopholes until we

really get some strong legislation in place that protects says resident because hey, we live in one of the best states in world and we have the greatest body of water. Humans cannot survive without

water. I'm sorry. So put this moratorium. This place is not saying that, hey, residents are misinformed because that's what we heard throughout this entire process is that were misinformed. We don't

know what we're talking about. But to have all that means in here, other residents, community activists and residents all in the same room say and now we not misinform. We just want to be we just want

it done. Y'all actions today which shows that are listening to list. That's my time. Thank you. Thank you. And then on deck would be Ryan Brooks Lou High. My name is Jill Roberts. I I'm a grad student

in engineering at UW Milwaukee. I run a small startup culture per traffic in the city. If you drive west of I-43 Highland, you actually drive past a data center. You probably won't know that because

it just looks like we're gonna building. I have a friend named Aaron who runs a company called Artisan hosting. If you have a new website and highly recommended showed me the inside. It's a building

and its computers in it and you can rent. That's what the data centers to building as computers in it. You can rent and that's it. That's the gist of it. And that's not new. We've been building them

out for decades. Right? If you remember 20 years ago when people wouldn't shut up about the cloud, that's what a data center, its staff and other people's computers. Anytime you're on TikTok or

Instagram. That's pulling information from the data center because it's not on your phone somewhere else knew getting it from somewhere, right? It's not new technology. It's not unprecedented. Even

filling them out. A bunch in the entire country is having the same build out. That's why it's happening. And you can actually look around at the president of other places in the country that are

building this out and you can figure out and actually make the case to voters and say, hey, we want to protect you from this deluge of new property tax revenue because really city Milwaukee, we have

too much money. It's it's insane to me. It's it's ridiculous to me. We have people saying we don't have enough like we can't build a more. Yes, we can build out more. It's insane that were saying we

can't build things. If you think there's enough, Reg, there's not enough regulation already to build up building with computers. And at that you can rent, I say pay attention to the developers are

trying to build housing and a laugh. You back to the one-bedroom apartment you can barely afford as you try to figure out why we can't afford anything in a city where no one can built where these

people are on their hands and knees, begging you to build a skyscraper, trying to explain why has more housing that a parking lot in the downtown area. There's more housing a skyscraper than there is

in the parking lot. Obviously it's econ 1, 1, You when you increase supply when you build stuff, price goes down. My start-up, Shepard traffic were 2 people with no outside funding and were able to do

do stuff that we wouldn't be able to do 2 years ago at all, not up prayer because we can use AI to do development. And research in computer vision were computer vision experts. Now we have no

professional or academic training. We've just been able to learn because I aristotle at my fingertips. And all the expertise is locked away in academia, universities and companies. I can't get into

let alone afford. I can learn at the pace of my own curiosity for the first time in my life because the expertise is something I can now reach. And when I read something, I don't understand it can go.

Why can't what does this mean? That explains it speak, I can learn something. And when you strangle the ability to build stuff, the price goes up. And the first people out or little tech like us when

the price goes up, the little guy gets kicked out. First, we're trying to build software. We're trying to decrease the cost of safety studies in the city of Milwaukee and elsewhere by Lisa Factor. 10

were hoping for a factor of 100 so we can hit those Vision, 0 initiative that people seem to care so much about. We can't do that if we don't have the support of people who are willing to build stuff.

It's very clear if you listen to people and it's it's it's a very human sentiment that what's happening is that people don't understand what's going on and they're afraid Alderman Alderwoman pardon me

all. They wanted to make sure that I believe her. There are no words with that. It's happening very fast. It's frightening and it's very understandable. And I'm here to tell you when the people in the

row don't be afraid. We're not idiots. We can figure this out. We're not m*****. We're smart. We can do this. I'd like to offer my own services. I also my 3rd job. I work at WCCC at the AI Labs

applied AI specialist. I've given trainings to development teams at Fortune 500 companies. The technical people at Fortune 500 companies. I understand the technology very well. Even better than you.

Tariq Sheen is 5 coder. Tariq movie does really cool stuff if you don't know about it and I'm happy to lend my time and answer questions. I can give presentations. I can give education. I'm very happy

to do this freely of my own free will because we can figure this out. This is not as hard as it looks. I taught algebra 2 MPs. I can explain. Katie Cassidy, all the rain. That's fine. This is doable.

So don't be afraid that can be strong and courageous. And indeed, when you strangle new development, when you string of the ability to build new things, you strangle people like me. Sime last line. If

you don't build enough that goes anyone else up top. Thank you to disapprove. Brian Brooks with Molly Collins on Deck. Thank you. Madam Chairwoman, this is going to be a little bit of a shock. I

worked at a data center and I am supportive of this proposed legislation. I'm Ryan Brooks. Again, general manager at a to holdings is actually the data center just spoken about where a data center

that is wholly owned by the Forest County Potawatomi. So it's a tribal tribally owned investment is a public data center. It is not a hyper scalar. It has been here operating Milwaukee since 2013. We

have about 80 customers across business, government, health care, education, other tribes. In fact, some of the largest of our customers are the state of Wisconsin and the UW system. So as you

consider data center development, I think our unique facility demonstrates that this type of local infrastructure, not summer coming in from out of state or has different concerns. There may be short-

term. This type of local infrastructure can operate successfully and responsibly with the Milwaukee. We thought that the priorities reflected in this ordinance for thoughtful. They include efficient

land, use that care about the climate. They're sustainable. The care of our research and resource management neighbor compatibility. And we found that the proposed legislation was very much aligned

with what is important to tribes. If you have one group of people who do care about people, the environment over profits, it is a tribal organization and that's what they did it. 8 of holdings. That's

been their approach since the very beginning. Data centers like our sun or a minimal traffic, their work strong actions taken to reduce noise. And at the end of the day, it does provide essential

infrastructure will being respectful. Neighbor sustainability, as I mentioned, remains a core focus of data holdings. The tribe with 8 Holdings operates Wisconsin's only LEED Gold Certified colocation

data center that ride placed environmental above all other concerns. We use know what that can be done. We use are been saller so large chunk of the land. That was the Concordia campus that they

abandoned to leave the city. That ride came in vested over 100 million dollars. And one of the things they did was urban solar that is also reflected in the proposed legislation. So again, whatever

decision, but we made people planet over profit. The holdings is proud to be a member part, proud to be part of Waukee. The tribe is part of the investments they made here and we're committed to

continue to grow responsibly alongside the community. So again, we're supportive of the legislation. We thought it was a proposed ordinance we thought was very thoughtfully written. And we appreciate

that folks are getting out ahead of this. We think that these things should be kept local and, you know, we don't compete with Hyperscale. Is there anything? But I certainly have some of the same

concerns that a lot of people in this room, too. So thank you. Yes, what can we sure? Thank you. Just so we understand you work for this company, but you're speaking half yourself or on behalf of the

company, the company. And again, thank you for that. And then follow up question. How many data centers actually follow the model? Does you just laid out how you all do it to make environmentally?

Sell for residents versus what everybody here is to speeds. Yeah, everyone everyone here is concerned about is extremely valid and I want to work at one of those places. So no other data centers does

what the tried today to hold X, think he's too expensive. Follow, of course. Just a quick follow-up question for us from your neighbor. So thank you for being quiet and energy efficient or an just

wondering if I can know your form to that you would be willing to help out. Absolutely, yes. In fact, if anyone wants to see the inside of a data center, we loved giving tours. So it's art. Wants

Quest follow question. High Court tour will be its eyes of yours is how large. It's a 46,000 square feet. 2 stories. Thank you very much. Thank you for what, what? How to use much were locked. So the

question was how much power we use were in the low megawatts not to get a lot. So again, another about concern is the huge amount of load the generation required to power. These data centers far

exceeds the capabilities we energies. So and you also supplement that with with solar renewable. Yes, yes. Thank you, Mike and Molly. Collin Rose in the U.S.. Followed by Jamal, a timeline. Mitchell,

Jim, you meal. Hi, thank you for having us here today. My name is Molly Collins, the advocacy director for the American Lung Association here in Wisconsin. One of our strategic imperatives is to

champion clean air for all. And and so when we're considering these large new projects, we really have to put protections in place for our community and our air quality. As other folks have said, I

won't belabor the point, but I will just say as the gentleman in front of me said, it's really critical that data center power needs to not add to local pollution. And the Burton that we see are

already in Milwaukee, which has one of the top asthma rates in the country. We're always in the top 5 and we want to make sure that we are not creating more health impacts on an already very impacted

communities. So especially in the face of the EPA rolling back a historic number of evidence-based standards. Right now. We can't ignore the science here. So thank you for having this hearing and for

the time. If you said, Wisconsin is top 5 in Waukee Milwaukee. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Emil Mitchell followed by Molly to Tyler. Yes, that is Jamie Lynn Mitchell pronouns. She her and yes,

both a longtime resident of Milwaukee and I'm also a community organizer with the redress movement. We are a 5, 1, C 3 nonprofit focused on restored of housing policies to redress the harms of racial

segregation in the city. So I'm not gonna speak just on behalf of myself. I want to speak on behalf of the hundreds of people across Milwaukee. Tough talk to whether it's riverwest her on bay, whether

it's Amani neighborhood, whether it's the Midtown neighborhood, Sherman Park and so forth. We have every single right to be concerned and to not just the man to a temporary pause on data centers, what

rules and parameters that protect our communities, our colleagues on that healthy climate, this at all, the scientific things that God is not a scientist. But what I also am I was educated by at the

markets will be coming La vision and the big tech e and one of the reasons why we need time for the city to do the work, meaningful work to set up to him, to put a plate put in place in forcible

meaningful community, led community driven policies. It's because there's a lot of confusion out there. And part of that is that there's a lot of big money behind these AI data centers, OK? Yes, there

have been data center store out for as long as we've had computers in data centers. But we're specifically talking about the trillion dollar market right now over stake. Okay. Also in finance and so

90's finance terms. But we're talking about AI data centers everywhere they've been built, especially hyperscale once they've been pushing people out of their communities due to noise, compete, noise,

pollution, unbearable noise, pollution, right, air pollution, that is worsening, you know, respiratory illnesses and Milwaukee. We already have, you know, for example, in bays in Bayview and on the

South side, we already have environmental thought health issues with like COPD because like the runoff, both Coltrane's going through. That's a problem that we've not solved. So we don't need a new

health issue with their data centers. But a big again, there's a lot of big money behind this big money that have money to lobby Congress, big money to lobby state governments, big money to impress a

lot of people. Right. And it's not just the tech companies, but it's also hedge funds as pro large million dollar billion dollar private equity firms. And here's how they do it again. It's national

business major at the market's going to bury. And I worked in politics a long time. I know when I see many believe, Jean, right? As we learns at the during the mid at the Midtown proposal, they called

it a computer processing facility. You can call anything almost anything with a lot of computers of the pier processing facility as well as data center. These are very general terms for very

expensive, very demanding systems that require parameters, standards and rules to protect both the people that work there. And especially the people that live there, especially when most people that

live there do not going to get those quality jobs as well. We're not saying no to development, although there are many of us who don't want who once if a permanent ban on AI data centers that we're

talking AI data centers, we're not talking about the data centers that keep the lights on in the city or pottawatomie or help small businesses do what they got to do. Right. This is very clear what

we're fighting. We're fighting whether it's hyperscale data centers that are 60,000 square feet or more or this also includes those that are smaller, whether it's 90,000 square feet, 15,000 square

feet. I don't want a 90,000 square feet data center in my neighborhood and only the drive. Another 5 minutes walk is a small city anywhere in 10, 15 minutes. Drive like me the anywhere 7 I don't want.

I don't want another 90,000 Square foot that center 5 minutes away because 3, they answer they they essentially lead to 3 large hyperscale data centers. So anyways, there are many, many, many ways to

build these built. So these data centers PT these tech companies be able to go with what's the cheapest, what's the highest dollar amount? I think you so much for the pylon me for being an example in

gold standard for what they could be doing. But again, I urge that you all this time because that was not heavy. What with what you did June 29th, this time to listen to not just myself but all of the

residents. Look, the majority overwhelming majority of the residents of the city of Milwaukee that I talked to on the phone not go indoors. Many of them are here and I love them to death. Many of a

week it became family over this fight, right? So again, it makes sense to sum it all put this temporary pause to give the city to pass meaningful and forcible community. Drivin community lead

policies. Thank you so much. We can use it to make weeks if you contribute. Would you be open to contributing? Absolutely. Absolutely. So so I want to be clear because you stated that there was a

difference between data centers and AI data centers. And I would just make sure that it's like Potawatomi. He's is acceptable. Yes or no. I would have to look at their school or expensive because I

just I just want to make sure that is is it to 60,000 Square feet? That's troublesome. Or is it this size? It's 10,000 square feet is still probably guess. That's what we're trying to understand as

people are coming up that I won't answer. That will only that's why we need to pause to answer those questions. It's not a question that will be answered in 5 minutes, Sir. Thank you. Okay, thanks.

The leader Tyler followed by Cheryl tell Dalton gets OK, so I made it much more complicated this start. Yes, okay. Good evening. I'm doctor Murray to pay Tyler. I'm here tonight. Speaking strong

support, approve of approving a moratorium on the data centers with no exceptions. At a previous meeting, you yourselves admitted the data centers are entirely new to you. And I would say facts are

facts fix and that is why putting a pause on it would be appropriate. Respectfully, it was a community that did a lot of the heavy lifting when the residents were bringing forward critical questions

that you hadn't brought forward to us like there should be independent third-party environmental impact studies about air pollution, the exact chemical that are circulating a closed-loop systems,

severe risk to wildlife noise, pollution, heat islands, we energies rate increases. Sewer infrastructure is in security, transportation transparency, including who's hiding behind nondisclosure

agreements. When there was discussion about accountability, other measures to ensure that the developer, it actually was going to use the amount of water projected. There was none. And since then,

I've talked to others who have more working out and I do about these facilities and that sometimes in practice what they say is that really what they do so sometimes generators dot just kick in like

during the exact time of emergency, sometimes are fired up preemptively at the first time greats change in the state. Running back to that to guarantee that that facility never loses a lot of power.

So what's the accountability measures? All right, place or that we do now when you don't know what you're dealing with, you hit pause because I'm like a policy body can't walk back the harm that these

hazards are built. A builder build in and make our community proceeding without preparation is a risk our neighborhoods cannot afford. And we don't have to guess what happens when cities rushing to

this. Finally, we can look at other communities and what they're already suffering do. So we all know about Racine County and we've seen the reality of Microsoft. Massive farewell data-center

campuses. In Mount Pleasant stir vent residents are dealing with real in this noise and light pollution. Construction, death compromise water sources bring lawsuits over content, pervasive noise, cool

from the cooling fans, an HVAC systems and generators that we're one sleep trigger chronic headaches, cloudy, the streams, destroy the night sky and engine on dropped the quality of life. But this

isn't just about making campuses. So I also did some reading on the Cyrus One Data Center in Aurora, Illinois, which is just 30,000 Square feet computing core that's packed inside of a 70,000 square-

foot building. Homeowners. There have complained that living by and there residential substance sub subdivisions that they face relentless low-frequency Homs and physical vibrations from the cooling

fans and the chillers and they cut right through their house was at night. So when unexpected transformer issues hit, they were forced into auxiliary power announced at so Grosse both large and small

facilities. Residents report some of the same nightmares like chemical smells throwing long here. Taishan spikes and breathing concerns, water contamination in severe strain on local aqua fires. So

here's what we do know for an absolute fact. The developers proposing these projects are not building these data centers next to their own homes. We would never subject they would never suggest

subject their own families or children to these health hasn't. So why on Earth should we subject dies? Right now? We don't even have basic regulations to protect our residents are our wildlife. Our

city has strict rules for almost everything else. We have the exact rules on where and when I can park my car. What time we have rules about jaywalking and get a ticket for Bush over growth. If I

parked too close to the yellow curbs yet we are and have been entertaining idea allowing data centers to be built with their regulations. Iran environmental impact studies and their transparency. We

don't know what chemicals could anti water. If there was an issue. We don't know how earlier how often deafening backup generations will generators will word ally. We don't know how close they can be

stacked or how many can be crammed into a single radius allowing unchecked unregulated bills make single led the magic of sense. Let's not even get started on property values of homes near them. Let's

not even talk about proposals. Also being close to multiple schools and daycares where kids are all day. Look around the room, read the letters here, the phone calls and see the petitions. Even the

petitions that I bought for from residents of asked me to continue to make sure that you hear their voices. We do not want data centers in our neighborhoods and it goes without saying that we

certainly don't want them built on checked was there are rules, 0 guardrails and 0 Accountability City. A city city officials are sworn to protect the well-being of our citizens. And we hear that all

the time that we want public participation that we want to hear from the people that people are speaking. And we are telling you that we are protected, we're prepared and we are deeply concerned. And

this should not be a difficult question. So please put this moratorium in place and make it an absolute with no exceptions. Thank you. Chair of both. Show up. Good afternoon committee. Thank you for

the opportunity to speak over close to them. I can just introduce yourself for the record since I am Gerald Dalton. I live in the city of Milwaukee. I retired a few years ago prior to that I was it

business. I actually use data send regularly. I had approximately 100 servers and data center in a Phoenix, Arizona, because it was all that much bill around here. And in the end, the costs are much

lower their. I definitely understand that the frustration of one gentleman felt as if we're for holding back on things. I do, however, support this resolution. The the the the viewpoint is, yes, we do

need to take a pause. We don't have a Prius owning 4 for data centers right now. And the concerns that have been raised by everybody in this room and the concerns that are that are talked about in the

proposed ordinance are valid concerns. And I agree with those. We do have a couple of questions and or concerns in regards to the definition of data center of the way I'm reading it. It's it describes

a telephone switching office in addition to just a data center and addition to that, it seems to me that it potentially excludes a training center in the training center, which doesn't actually

transmit data in and out, but it has a lot of energy fluctuations. So those are 2 concerns. And I did centre a proposed definition to all well done for our previously. And I don't know if that was

that that was included anywhere or not. Additionally, I asked the Potawatomi gentleman what their what their energy load was. I would suggest that instead of just a straight out. A pause on all

development. I would say maybe cell floor to that and that Floyd might be something along the lines of 2 megawatts instead of just off instead of a straight out of an on that. Now, energy energy use

has been talked a lot. And I agree that these things do use a lot of energy and that is that is actually the huge concern of mice. My own and I a submitted comments to the PSC in regards to energy a

couple of different times. That's actually my primary interest in this topic. But I am interested and other senators want to use AI. One other question I had was this is a one-year moratorium until

such time as a zoning ordinance is put into effect. It would is. Is it going to be renewable or is it a deadline that you need to have an ordinance in place by that time? So that would be another

concern that I help otherwise. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you for Maria chair. Show up. They might have needed to leave Michael Harper and then chase in Davenport on DEC. Good afternoon,

Michael Harper, thank you. Chair commissioners. I just also would like to just raise a couple of questions related to the conversation. There's a lot of ire concern obviously on both sides. But my

primary question is around, what is the rain or the objective to achieve here? I know part of it is regulation and guardrails. But you know, what else is it that we're trying to achieve here in terms

of providing an ordinance resolution or any type of legislation around this one year proposed pause a moratorium. The second is has the city Attorney review the proposed pause? I know there's been

some comment but to determine potential legal challenges which we've seen across the country. New York, Oklahoma, a number of states have had legal challenges in terms of over regulating uses, which

is part of what I just heard in addition to the comments made in terms of sizing versus power consumption. If we look at the average industrial site, there's already 5 to 10 megawatts at the average

industrial site. You know, so something under that, you know, that's not necessarily a change of use or change of consumption. It's a change of occupancy. The other thing I would you know, suggest is

will this prevent any further rate hikes? So has this been something that has been proposed or a study conducted to determine whether or not this will prevent any future rate hikes? Likely not what

that's something I think should be a part of the disclosure or a document presented that's comprehensive for the people to review to understand the layers of complexity involved in this conversation.

The other thing is unique. If this were a manufacturing company that rely on robotics and automation and guess what? Also computers with that being exempt use because if I came in to bring industry

back to an existing industrial site, but is constrained by the language in this proposed ordinance with that exempt or prohibit that you set those particular types of sites. And then finally, is there

a sponsor for draft for a resolution for community benefits agreement? You know, where we've seen these negotiated? Well, he's been because the pot populists, he's also negotiated in good faith

through the legislative body to create community benefit agreements, which to provide the equity and mechanisms for transfers and interest to be effectively codify an ordinance so that that reflects

as well. So with that, thank you for your time. Thank you very much. We'll follow up on some of those questions. I'm sorry. I'm supposed to calling people Michael Harper. We felt was okay. Jason

Davenport followed by correction may horn. That's coming in is Jason Davenport from New Mexico. My family lives down the street firm Project Jupiter and actually moved here from Atlanta, Georgia,

where they're just struggling with how fast that gone up. Some just in support of putting a pause on it. Figure out how to define it, figuring out how it fits into our community. Thank you for your

time. Thank you, Gretchen. If that's the big test. Hello, my name is Gretchen. Make or in my city and hometown is Milwaukee and I'm here to voice my support for the data center moratorium. So I have

lived in other states have friends and family and other states, including Georgia, Texas, and New Mexico, where they've had major data center development. So I do now with the first-hand effects of

how unchecked regulations can have on communities. I've seen like lower water pressure, dirty water, noise, disturbances in residential areas and no real studies on how these long-term effects do you

have on these local ecosystems? The older woman already touched on this, but we have seen on a national and global stage, the unchecked power and lack of regulations from to big tech companies

themselves. These things are packaged and sold to us as innovation and progress. But is it really innovation? One is at the expense of local communities and local resources. And is it really progress?

One is put on the backs of hard-working local taxpayers. Also a unique perspective that I bring is being from the film TV and commercial industry. So I have seen how quickly these data centers are

trying to trying to rebrand themselves with more up using verbiage to our communities. And that raises a lot of questions and concerns for me. So I urge in voice my support for a yes vote. And I would

love to see my hometown of Milwaukee be a leader and said the president for using common sense and caution on this hot topic issue of data center development to me that would be really true.

Innovation and progress. Thank you. Followed by Angelina Sandoval. And Yeah, we okay. Kerry scarier. I want. I'm a stay-at-home mom. I stay home with my 2 and a half year old. She's wonderful.

Delightful an obvious and want to make sure that they're still resources available to her. She grows up before I searched a home with my kid. I was a consumer law attorney at legal Action of

Wisconsin. And I can tell you that we energies does not care about people who can't afford to pay their bills. And I had clients who couldn't pay their bills, but we're dependent on air-conditioning

or medical devices during the summer. There's nothing that you could do to get we energies to continue that because their rate allowance, their forgiveness, kind of program only exist during the

winter. So we already have been having problems with loads of people in our community not being able to pay the exorbitant like our energy rates are significantly higher than most other places in this

country. So the concerns that I have with the data centers is that when you look at places like Virginia, which has more data centers than anywhere else per capita, if they come in with this, like,

OK, well, we're going to have the data centers pay more a higher percentage of the rates and will will use this to lower your rates. But then what? They don't count towards this kind of bait and

switch within. It comes in afterwards and they have to build a new infrastructure because it using significantly more than anything that already exists, that infrastructure gets put on to the rate

pairs so they end up paying even more than they were paying before paying more. Then the data centers and they end up paying more than the state is making off of it in taxes. So that's one of my

concerns. Another concern, obviously, water is a precious environment. You know, environmental concerns going forward. And we're in this area where weird lucky to have this huge body of fresh water

right next to us. Let's not jeopardized our future waters. Protect that. I think we can put restrictions requirements for to clean energy for water, recycling. We can really limit what we're doing.

The other economic aspect that I've seen, people come at this from us, the data centers create jobs as another, these kind of misleading things. So looking back at Virginia again, the largest data

center in Virginia has 111 employees. That's about how many people in all of garden hires. So and I do have 2 good friends who love all of garden so much that they actually got engaged there. Really

ridiculous. They love it so much, but they would not. Trade that for data center. They would not pay more. They would not jeopardize the future of our kids for that. Because my list on want to say I'm

a thank you. It's followed by Jeff Johnson. Melody is a believes online case. Then the we get mixed up a little stiff. She is. It will to speak. Go ahead. Melody, you are an muted. Welcome back and

and make sure that she gets an opportunity if she wants to speak. Jeff Johnson, thank you, Madam Chair and members of the committee. My name is Jeff Johnson on the chief operating officer for part of

want to be Ventures. A portfolio company that owns and operates State Holdings. A gentleman that spoke earlier, right. Brooks also Forest County Potawatomi travel and elders on appreciate the

opportunity to speak and provide testimony. Data holdings is on Holy by Forest County. Potawatomi community in our approach is guided by the tribe, 7 generations philosophy, our traditional value

systems, teachers to make the decisions today that create value and opportunity for generations. That long-term perspective is reflected in how we invest and how we operate and how we partner with

communities. Waukee is an important part of our story. We have invested here for decades and we're proud to be a part of the city's future. The Forest County Potawatomi have always placed a strong

value, one, caring for resources and thinking long term, those principles influenced how we design and operate the existing data holdings as it sits right now, the provision that's included in the

proposed ordinance that accepts plan development to sensible and is in protective of the community concerns. The planned development process allows for extensive input by the by the public good and

thorough review by this Commission and Common Council. We appreciate the council's thoughtful consideration and remain committed to being responsible walking neighborhoods for generations to come.

Thank you. Thank you. Rick Stratton followed by as Rick. So here you let the about Grace Kopacz followed by. Ericka Area Sty. Okay. Grace this gray still here. I was dive this. Erica Stein, I'm sorry

and try not to just assume. I actually wasn't planning to speak but well in Europe keep it short and sweet. I definitely support this moratorium. We this is what Milwaukee needs is what Milwaukee and

people across the state all across the country have been demanding a I can be a tool that could make our lives better. It can be used. It can be developed in a way that is environmentally sound and

putting the needs of the people and the planet before before these decisions that are really right now, just being made to increase as many profits as possible for the big tech corporations, as well

as real estate and we energies. And so I think I have nothing else to is to add that others in this room have already said that we need to push for this moratorium. And I join, you know, along with

all the other counties and municipalities in Wisconsin and Everett, thank you very much. One that the shorts on. Okay. She's online. Yeah, OK, we'll get to the folks that are online in just a second.

I just want to have the registry say that Melanie Aaron's is in favor of the item and does not wish to speak. Avery Duren is in favor the item and does not wish to speak. Laura Hartog is a favorite.

It's in favor of the item that does not wish to speak. Alicia Gomez is in favor of the item that does not wish to speak. Eva have hacking and cough or is in favor of the item. I do not and does not

wish to speak. Patricia, some Nick is in favor of the item. Does not wish to speak. Elizabeth Brown is opposed to the item and does not wish to speak. Oh, good. I that's why I do. This is just to make

sure so, OK, I corrected your form on your behalf. Thank you. And given the fact that several people had attended a speech today left and let's take our is to stay in their houses. If you come to

them, I can introduce yourself for the record. You bet. Thank you. Well, good afternoon. Thank you guys for your patience for hearing everyone's testimony. And I want to thank everyone who has stuck

around this long to everyone else's testimony and also to give your own. I know that time is valuable and time is money. Minus cost me about $7 and parking right now. And so, but I'm willing to put

that aside because this is very important and I do want to pay any higher costs down the road. And that's what I want to talk to you guys about today is the higher costs that we could all be paying.

So first and foremost, I want to protect what makes Milwaukee beautiful, unique and exceptional. I we've been Brewers Hill which borders on the river and I see on our Great Lakes and like every single

person, by the way, my name is Rachel. Rachel Markin. I live in Paris held in district 6 mile. The person is not one of the people that Co sponsored this and I'm hoping that she will come on board of

the Common Council. Thank you. As I said, I see on our Great Lakes and like every single person in this room, I need put the water and clean air to live. And as someone said earlier, what Milwaukee

does have a lot of people that need inhalers and assistance with breathing. We can't afford to have an clean air and clean water. I'm a trout, a proud transplant. Also from Ohio, Northeast Ohio.

Specifically. I don't know if anyone in this room or anyone listening is old enough to remember. But back in the 70's, the Cuyahoga River actually was so polluted that it caught on fire and that was

one of the largest catalysts across our country. It was a warning cry across the bow for everyone to pay attention to our environment and actually helped get the pay off the ground. And now we have a

federal government that is trying to undermine our federal regulations are environmental protections and the EPA entirely. So we cannot go backwards eye on our environmental protection. And that's why

is this commission to approve the moratorium? I would also ask that you keep in mind and respect what is going on in the lives of real milwaukeeans with regards to energy use caught and costs. We've

seen how data centers across the country lead to cost increase is being shared with residents. While the profits are kept private, we do not want to shoulder the burden of our tax cut of their tax

credits as well as the water and noise pollution that they would put up on our community. I also would urge you to listen to what the leaders on the cutting edge of AI are asking for. Yes, they can

advance faster than bureaucracy can legislate and regulate and we shouldn't fall behind in response to technology or suffer due to the inherent lack of speed of the body politic. During this pause. We

also need to consider how to write into law a way to hold these data centers accountable for the unforeseen long-term effects. They haven't even been measured yet on health and the environment as well

as the animals. When we look at the original data centers, our public libraries, I was just at doors open this weekend and got to go see Art Central Milwaukee Library branch, which is one of the most

beautiful in the country. When we look at our original data centers, public libraries, the reason they're so well loved and long-lasting is because they are a public good. I suggest during this pause

that we the public push for publicly owned utilities. This includes data centers. This includes we energies and at a minimum that we would encourage that any data center that comes into our

communities are be corporations. That means they have a triple bottom line. That means they care about the environment. They care about their employees. They care about the communities that they come

into and they also have a concern for their profit at the end of the day. I want to thank you guys so much again for your time for hearing everyone's concerns and for taking this seriously and getting

ahead of it before we fall behind. Thank you very much. And those who are online know is Melody Machir dust. Ok, Melanie, you are and muted. If you're able to provide testimony at this time. She may

be having audio difficulties. Okay. Is there anyone else online? Yes. The Christian Trum Lee. Yeah. Ok, thank you, everyone. And thanks for every one patients including need officials who are sitting

there through a long meeting. I am. My name is Christian for me. I'm a resident of Milwaukee and I have been for many years. I've lived in Southeast Wisconsin my whole life. And I'm proud to call

Milwaukee my home. And I want to start by sharing a short short story that I have a 2 year-old nephew who will grow up in the shadow of the Port Washington data center, a living just a mile away and

it breaks my heart. The city officials in port are currently publishing what can pretty much only be described as like propaganda and disinformation to residents to basically just like Hossa find

their rightful outreach is hyper scale data center in Milwaukee. We're in a port Washington. So I do not want this for walking more Milwaukee's kids and we have the opportunity to provide a positive

example of what community participation can be on the data center issue. Saundra in this meeting today to voice my support for a moratorium on data centers in the city of Milwaukee. And as you create

clear regulations, hopefully the regulations can be so watertight. Not that it isn't. It would never be able to meet such strict environmental regulations and then they just leave us alone. But so,

yeah, we need clean energy. We need community transparency and we need real participation in the city. Planning the luxury condo building discussion today is the kind of a good example of what a

challenge it can sometimes feel like. Sometimes it can feel like we're not being listened to and they can feel like these decisions are already approved. And the hearing is kind of just like the

performance of democracy. The hard questions are asked if they are, the developers have basically no answers. They don't care about the residents they may contain have heard of concessions to do to do

something that like I'll never be held accountable for that. And then the approvals of the commissioner grant it anyways. This leads people to feel powerless. But I always just want to raise up that

there is something we can do. And if our elected officials are going to do nothing, we can at least they can at least do nothing. While we watch. I want to speak to the point of a previous person

statement about the benefits of AI and his own personal company called shopper Traffic while sitting here and listening to comments. A quick Google search told me could these be runs the type of

surveillance technology where he's a city on cameras to run? All the footage through is I it sounds an awful lot like a flock camera which communities around the country are already protesting every

day. And in the interview with WTMJ in 2025, here in Wisconsin, he called his system a robot traffic cop. I'd like to ask the commission to weigh this in with his statements as those of someone who

something a little bit too enthusiastic about the role of AI and technology in community planning. And lastly, I want to point out as other people have today that the city would likely never entered

in the potential of a data centre in areas like wait for Speyer Shorewood and we need to be honest with each other about why that is the racial segregation and the disparities in Milwaukee.

Communities are looking massive issue in and of themselves. And this just in from the developers or from the city, it should pass the health harms of data centers often walk-ins by communities under

the guise of different forms of economic development, I think should be in permissible and others work. Your table already stated that. So just want to reiterate. Yeah, I think we have an opportunity

to make Milwaukee a positive example for the rest of the other areas and cities in the state have done so. But the moratoriums and I think we have the possibility to do the same. And I really hope

that the city commission, the City Planning Commission takes that seriously. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, he's joining us only. Could you ask her to go off and come back on and then will? Is that

is that probably the best practice, Chris, possibly give that a try? Can explain that if the second is there anyone else online? Yes, there's a section. There's about 6 more minor fixed. If we could

try. No. Nima Curtis one more time. Then we would. Hello Kiana. Yeah, we can. Thank you. All right. Good. Good. Good. Hello. My name is now a team of Curtis. I'm the deputy director of Macomb Park

Community Bridges which is in the 5th district. Also live in the 15 district all high and the support of this one-year moratorium. I want to thank Alderwoman Demetria David Alder on and Alderman

Russell Stamper and also more also want to thank the community for really continuing to do the research to push back and to push for. This Paul's we need to fall so we can to avoid it. Calls across

the city. What we can only is up rule development that we don't know what the impact will be in Milwaukee. We are having to examples what development that is abandoned. Looks like when we look at the

30th Street corridor, we have businesses that left that left us with their toxic buildings that are still sitting in today right now. And if somebody wanted to build a data center industrial zone

areas is the entire 3rd District Street District, 30 in the 3rd district court. Our roster, the entire city of Milwaukee, the most industrial that I want to try to build is are in black and brown

communities. So the black and brown neighborhoods are immediately at risk. The development of these data centers with no regulations so-called is necessary. That gives the CD that gives the city.

Could the rain analysis real benefit of having all this is to really research. So really go talk to Potawatomi, see how they're doing things to actually really build out a blueprint. If we don't do

that, we're continuing to do what we've done through our trajectory. But Milwaukee, as a whole, we even need to think, you know, better these buildings that live the quarter, the way it is, they were

able to leave without taking their caucus with them. And I hope that whatever policy could force something is implemented, that if they do pick up and leave, they have to take their taxes with them.

So again, I just want to say that I strongly and agree to support. This has been really, really beautiful to see the Common Council community. Neighboring communities really come together time to

really stay. If it fell down around us. We need a pause. We have to really look at Milwaukee, a segregated. So that means when you do development is our company and you right where you can do this

development at the same rate monument is where these developments could go in the city of Milwaukee. And like folks said earlier, we do me 10 data centers on one block. What one heart of that calls

him because we don't know. Stays in good faith in good conscience. We need to do to false. Chris Welch is a is waiting on line. Next is the land and Zimmerman on the debt is Mabel Lamb. Hello. Can you

hear me? Yes, this is. And and. Yes, this is my name is Lana Turner in 40 medical Center in Milwaukee area been living in the Milwaukee area for 3 years now. And I looked privilege of helping take

care of people of all ages from Waukee every single day. And I come today to support the one-year moratorium, a pause and dated 7 data center, stylish and development. I think that it is in the best

interest of everyone in Milwaukee in terms of not just their health, but also their checkbooks there on the negative health effects of data centers. And they stand out from this. The data centers

themselves, but all the power needed to power the data centers. And if these continue to be built in, especially if there's a lack of regulation for that and the park was needed to power them, then

this could have very negative effects on the health of people walk in. The U.S. many people have so eloquently stated before. These health effects are well known and would only get worse if there are

more opportunities to contribute to the pollution that causes them. In addition has also mentioned previously, these data centers are fueling an increased need for power in the Milwaukee area and in

Wisconsin are generally in as was mentioned, the we energies already asking for huge trade center in rate increase that has been doing so for the past years. And this would just add more fuel to the

fire and the need for these rate increases where these private companies are able to. You see these mass amounts of power and everyday walk-ins are needed to pay those bills. And then it has other

folks have mentioned causes people to choose between turning on their power and by the medications that they need to buy food for their families. I think that that is just something that should never

happen for us. And so I think also having attended multiple of these sessions talking about tennis and as the water a few months ago where Davis and it was ultimately rejected in downtown Milwaukee to

say that the attitude of every common people for the state Senate is overwhelmingly against would be an understatement. And so I think that the commission should again support this proposal to pause

on the status of the developments that holds for their own stricter regulations can be put in place too help ensure that all the financial trust the health interests of the people and the environment

are placed at the forefront and not the profits of big tech companies. And thank you, everyone for taking your time to testify today on for the Saints. This kind of fiction, the opportunity to speak.

Thank you. Thank you. Next is able to land on deck is Rachel Styles Mabel? You hear me? Yes. Okay. Great. My name is Mabel Lamb and I want to thank the City Planning Commission for hosting this

meeting. I have not seen you all since June of June. 29th of this year for the Midtown proposal. I am the executive director of the Sherman Park Community Association. The Midtown proposal was just

next door neighbor rain, the Sherman Park community. In addition, I live in Sherman Park. I am resident of the 7th district and I want to make sure that I came not only as a community leadership, but

also as a human and living in this community as well. I support the child number 25, 1, 9, to 4. And I'm thankful for all of those of others who have put together this moratorium and the community

members who lifted their voices to demand a moratorium. And I would also like to request at that stated before when I came in June, 29th, environmental impact statements be done. Now, I wanted to make

sure that you all hear some of these really important words and reasons why Milwaukee should and could that a data center moratorium because if one will give give the city time, could create

appropriate zoning standards. Understand electric and infrastructure impacts before approvals occur. Evaluate water and sewer capacity established environmental and public health safeguards. Let me

repeat that established environmental and public health safeguards Prout had it residential neighborhood. It's it's a TV news. Consider environmental justice and this can be cumulative impacts

require. Require meaningful disclosure before approval develop standards for community benefits. The city long term land-use objectives. To say that again because we are also in the 30th Street

corridor as well. And there are lots of taxes in our community and along the 30th Street corridor corridor, we need to protect the city's long-term land, use the objectives and finally avoid making

irreversible decisions before rules are established. So with me saying all of this, I say that on behalf of the members of our community as well as people in this city, this state and the app because

it's Alderwoman delete. The Avett mention this is a hot button issue. And if it wasn't a problem, people would not be pounding out. So we do need to have a temporary moratorium. What planning and

public protection measures, public protection measures setback for president if it continues electricity, water and sewer noise, air mission and backup generators, emergency response, environmental

justice, historic neighborhood, community benefits, disclosure requirements. It depended environment Hill and health impact assessment in studies done. With that being said, we support I support file

number 2, 5, 1, 94. And thank you so much for allowing us to speak again on behalf of this issue. We look forward to working with you all to help shape this narrative and this moratorium to keep our

community and our state safe. Thank you. Thank you. That's we have a Rachel Styles and on deck is Shen and 7 net and Rachel. Yes, hi. Can you hear me? Yes. My name is Rachel Styles and I live in

Milwaukee and I'm speaking in support of proposal. 2, 5, 1, 9, to 4, which includes a full moratorium on the development of data centers or any project that includes data center for one year. I

believe that much a moratorium will block any cash grab developers who are not interested in communion for grants from applying and prevent and prevent projects. That use amenities that the community

wants as leverage in order to put in a data center like the Midtown Data Center Project tried to do you know, we shouldn't. We need to have a data center tacked on in order to get a live public

library and a moratorium will block those projects and funnels through the better uses of land space until we figure out and what the Common Council work through their legislation. And I also want to

see that I live downtown. And while I didn't have an opinion either way on dizziness project, we do want to ask where the housing in develop and landlords are whenever it comes to speaking on data

centers because we just listens to them. Talk about how we need more people to live in downtown Milwaukee. And if you want to bring people into the high-rise properties that they're building and

create a thriving Milwaukee are not going to be able to do that. It's the residents are dealing with high energy costs, blackouts, noise, pollution, brown, water, and more. This impacts their

investments just as much as it impacts us, the general public. And I think it's worth pointing out and that any of the people who present a housing proposals today should be here right now giving

testimony. That's all that I need to. I need to say. Thank you so much for listening to us. And I hope that you vote yes to a moratorium. Thank you. Next we have a Shannon salmon that and then last

virtual speakers. Amy Donahue and Shannon once again, Shannon. But I they're sorry. Can you hear me? Yes, okay. My name is Shannon. Some of that and I'm a resident of baby Milwaukee. I am in support

of the data center moratorium data centers consume massive amounts of electricity that will eventually lead to local power shortages and higher utility bills for residents. Data centers also pose many

and health and environmental risks. As Mark mentioned today, facilities do require millions of gallons of water daily for cooling which constrain local water supplies. And it's before approving

additional data center products projects Milwaukee should take the time to fully evaluate their long-term impact on our infrastructure, natural resources and quality of life. A moratorium would allow

the city to carefully assess these issues and ensure that future developments service as the best interests of Milwaukee residents. I urge the City Planning Commission to vote in favor of this March

04:00AM and prioritize the well-being of our community. People should come before profit and that's all. Thank you. Thank you. And then lastly, Amy Donahue. Thanks. Can you hear me? Yes, my name is

Amy Donahue. I'm a resident of the city of Milwaukee in the neighborhood that forever West and pronouns are the Sheehy all ruling and a medical at birth and board certified Wisconsin license should a

counselor and testifying in support of the ordinance relating to this cause and establishment of data centers. Like many of my neighbors, healthcare colleagues, fellow parents and sponsors of this

bill have already spoken. I absolutely believe the city of Milwaukee needs and has a responsibility to clearly define and regulate data centers as part of its zoning code for the sake of public

health, safety and welfare. The impacts on our health safety offer include the potential effects on our local environment, as well as energy and water infrastructure. Again, as many people have spoken

to with concerns stories and concrete evidence. I also want to highlight that the principal use of data centers as 10 letters of data that we network termination points can also have direct impacts on

our community members, health, safety and welfare against this is that the actually use of the data centers and then information scientist and big data with genetics. But I also ask that we all stay

diligent that once this ordinance passes, hopefully that we say diligent over the next year and demand transparency and standards for data center development in the zoning code that includes not only

utility infrastructure and environmental impacts, but also ongoing transparency on what the data center is being used for and by whom are safety, health and welfare is impacted in different ways than

the users of data center. Resources are cancer. Researchers streaming video services versus weapons manufacturers and surveillance companies. These users and uses are also more less regulated and may

bring different legal and ethical Restore City. So I just again bringing that request for that transparency and putting it on the record. Thank you again to all of you, everyone who stayed and

everyone on the commission for your time and listening to all of this. Thank you. And that's the last online speaker. Thank you, Chris, for your help there, if we could have city assistant Attorney

Joseph Dobbs back up here. I just had a couple verifying questions that came up during the presentations. There are certain things that were questioned, whether they would be impacted by this or not.

And I don't know if you can answer this or not, but I I'm told that, you know, a lot about this. So would AI training centers being that regulated group. They would not be excluded solely on the basis

of their AI connection if there really were no inside or outside connections at all, there might be an exclusion, but that something you'd have to take a careful look at ending on. Exactly. It's a

very specific sorry. I couldn't give you a chance yet, but it's something we can look into and then telephoned switch. The facilities would be probably the same answer. All to know that I'm afraid the

distinction between the usage of telecommunications and then data transmission in state statute in other places has been kind of inconsistent at times. So we certainly don't want to. It's not intended

to apply anywhere. It shouldn't apply. And the expectation is that it will be enforced in a sensible manner. But we certainly don't want to inadvertently make it too broad or too narrow. Okay. And

then there was question on whether the city attorney thought that they could uphold this to a legal challenge if a proposal came forward. That is a necessary part of our review. We concluded that the

Zoning Code Technical Committee that we could support the legality and enforceability the current version of the ordinance. We believe our proposed changes will make it even more fine-tuned and easier

to defend if legal challenges raised. Ultimately we make that determination for every ordinance the city passes before it is past. But because there is the ability for the zoning and development

committee and certainly scum council itself, too add amendments. The our analysis at this point is not the final one. Perfect kind. I guess I should ask these to before I gave you that value but come

computerize manufacturing. If it has one of the most important factors in our definition of data centers, that is the principal use. Okay. So if a factory came through and had a lot about a nation and

had a lot of data coming in and out as necessary for that. But the principal use was heavy manufacturing and not the data that would not be covered by the march toward the end of the band. But that

isn't to say that they would be subject to no rules and regulations because they're still rules and regulations that would apply to that as well. That's a mom. And then I don't know if this is a

question best for you or just a suggestion whether we vote to the community benefits agreement. Doing that as a requirement, have zoning approval is not something that that our ordinances really allow

for. It is certainly something we're happy to support in whatever general way we can as far as developers being incentivized to work things out with communities and then turned independent

relationships. And that's something we're certainly very happy to see when it happens. But it's not something that we can build into the moratorium and probably not the actual regulation. It's OK. And

then just for the in in, you know, and this is sort of just a broad base thing meant, you know, just to put it out there, you know, than the importance of environmental impact statements. Look at

renewables, a look at what is the aim and objective of this. And then the ability to prevent future rate hikes on city residents came up repeatedly just before consideration. We're definitely looking

at a lot of different things. And part of the challenge here is that even with the best and most comprehensive zoning regulation we can put forward, zoning is not the right forum for solving all the

problems that could result out of this. So we'll do what we can. It sounds good. Are there any other questions of staff or the city attorney's office? You just my question to. All right. Good. In this

point of clarification, I guess for me it was a the CBA Comey, this agreement, something that I actually think is good discussion point for whoever the right body is. First abolition, regulatory rules

for this going forward, but also curious who's going to responsible for some of the studies that people at inquired about. So the environmental, the noise to pollution from water, the cetera, during

his one-year pause now. So if we can get information on that part, I think that would be helpful. So moving forward, city staff will be working together across departments to get this information. And

there's a lot of research out there that we will be obviously utilizing. That will all be. In fact, evidence-based to guide us. So that will continue to be a requirement. And of course, is it come to

the regulations that will certainly be, you know, components within that that will be on the property owner to adhere to and comply with and enough not, of course, there's enforcement measures that

the city has powers for so. And then I also want to thank all of the community members and and they have come forward today to voice their support or opposition to this to this item and really taking

time out of your day to do so. I think we really value your feedback and appreciate your your participation in the process. Yeah, I mean, I echo that. I don't know their then. Lot of people who've

been experts in a space. I don't know if there's a task force that could be created to help. I wrote down on all the all the scene for me, I there's about 6, 7, people that could be on this. But I

don't know if that's something that the city is looking to create but use the talent within the city to get this done. I think given all that information turned on. Yeah. Yeah. That was when the body

from the city wants to access. That information will notice in the file that there is even local research by a local market researcher. That will be very helpful. Certainly has to be that dive further

into the next steps. There's lots of information and resources here think that that's that's of value going forward. In any way that we do so with that, is there a motion? Are there any other

questions out there? And is there a motion to close the public hearing and to act on this item? Commissioner watched in a move to close the public hearing for file number 2, 5, 1, 9, to 4 in a move

for approval. Commissioner Smith. Spence, thank you. Yeah, we have a motion. We have a second. The only other discussion I would have. Is there any amendments that should be any conditions that should

be put on this item? Stills, technical revisions, the system city attorney outlined. But we know we don't have those track changes before you just because there could be a few other a little team

greens. But we are looking to have a substitute put forward with that. Incorporates those for the consideration and zoning neighborhoods and Development Committee. Perfect. Thank you that I'm a

friendly Amendment. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you. The motion. We have a section any other further discussion that'll take a roll Call Vote Commissioner Washington High Commissioner movie. I wish there

was. I love you. I miss there's that. I thank you. The motion carries. Even need to do that. You got to be able to do our part one more item and we've got to decide on our schedule for next year. So

yes, thank you. Thank you. Thank you again to all the public members and attendants today. Thank you, everyone. Okay. So the slide on our meeting dates remain here. Do have a slide. Okay. Thank you

for that reminder. All right. So before us are. Our our proposed dates. And as you know, in advance of these dates, we do says, particularly when they're near holidays, we do, you know, make sure we

can meet quorum. And sometimes we do adjust the dates and times. That's rare, though, but occasionally especially around that Thanksgiving, early December date that sometimes needs to be triple check.

So before us are R Jan, you are excuse me are to hard-hit 2027 City Plan Commission proposed states. Any discussion on this item. Males will take over the extended Valentine's Day. We can. All right.

It's 14 meetings. We've been following here are some of my issues but will will adjust. I'm sure. We do always appreciate you all letting us know so we can make or we we of course, like to keep our

meeting scheduled only of items. Serious is that? November 8th day is a veterans day. I do not believe so. We run through and triple check everything. But we we can verify that again to be sure. Thank

you for asking. And the other one was Presidents Day which was and is apparently not a city. There is overlap with President State. Correct? But there shouldn't be with that better. Don't think you

for asking okay the most memorable. Do we have a motion to approve these for to Secrete? Thank you. So our motion to approve 5 to 6, 0, 7, 2, 3, Thank you. Saying all those in favor. Aye motion

carries to have a motion to adjourn. So moved for a second second. All those in favor. I it's no clues. 9/28/2026, meeting of the City Plan Commission. Thank you