2026-09-23 - City Council

00:08Good morning. Good morning, Madame

00:10Clerk.

00:13Good morning, everyone. Thank you all

00:14for being here today. We're going to

00:16call to order

00:18the city of Reno council meeting today

00:21for September 23rd, 2026.

00:24We'll start with a pledge of allegiance.

00:27If we could have Mr. Terry, if you could

00:30lead us in the pledge, please

00:40to the republic for which it stands, one

00:43nation under God, indivisible, with

00:46liberty and justice for all.

00:52>> Thank you. With that, we'll go right

00:53into roll call. Madame clerk.

00:56>> Council member Taylor,

00:57>> here. Council member Derer,

01:02we do see her online.

01:06Council member Derer, can you hear us?

01:10>> Okay. Vice Mayor Martinez

01:11>> here.

01:12>> Council member Eert

01:15is absent at this time. Council member

01:16Reese

01:17>> here.

01:17>> Council member Anderson

01:19>> here. And Mayor Shibi is absent at this

01:21time. You do have a quorum.

01:23>> Great. Thank you so much. We're going to

01:24start with public comment today and then

01:26move to the proclamations after public

01:29comment.

01:30>> Uh just a quick note that council member

01:32Eert has joined us at 10:03.

01:36>> Thank you.

01:38>> Okay.

01:41I think we had a couple of

01:42proclamations.

01:43>> Uh we were going to start with public

01:44comment first.

01:45>> Yes, please. And then we'll go into the

01:47proclamations.

01:48>> Okay. Uh Mr. Vice Mayor, our first item

01:50today is public comment. It should be

01:52noted for those in attendance that

01:53comments are to be addressed to the

01:55mayor and council as a whole. Comments

01:57heard under this item will be limited to

01:58three minutes per person and may pertain

02:00to matters both on and off the council's

02:02agenda. Council may not take action upon

02:04any matter not agendaized on today's

02:06agenda. When you are called on for

02:08public comment, please state your name

02:09for the record and begin speaking. The

02:11timer will begin when you say your name

02:13and you will be afforded three minutes.

02:15For those participating in chambers in

02:16accordance with council rules 6.3.11

02:20while in this room, please be

02:21respectful. Disruptive behavior from

02:23audience members like clapping, yelling,

02:25whistling, etc. which impede the meeting

02:27may result in a warning issued by the

02:29presiding officer. If the behavior

02:31continues, you may be removed from

02:32chambers. If you are an attendee in the

02:34Zoom meeting and would like to make

02:36public comment, please raise your hand

02:37at this time.

02:40>> And then the first two that we had

02:41signed in were regarding the

02:43proclamations. Did you want to come back

02:45to those after?

02:46>> Yeah, please.

02:47>> Okay. Nicole Spurgeon.

03:00My name is Nicole Spurgeon and I'm here

03:02to address the Hawk Fire. I am one of

03:04the people that lost their home. Our

03:06family home after 65 years was burned to

03:09the ground with not one fire truck on

03:11scene. It is a travesty that this has

03:14continued and allowed to have happened.

03:17I have received no assistance from

03:19anybody. We had no insurance. Why? We

03:23lost everything 66 years of three

03:27generations.

03:29The one that didn't make it out was our

03:32feral cat. We found it with its bones

03:35sticking out from the hot fire with its

03:38mouth open. You have no idea that

03:41devastation in our minds that is forever

03:44there scarred. It is not okay that

03:46millions of dollars have been sent to

03:49you to Reno and we have received no

03:52assistance. I've had nobody help me

03:55clean up. My husband is in his 70s. Our

03:58my brother-in-law is in his 70s. I'm in

03:59my 60s. How dare you? Where were you?

04:03Where are you now? I have not seen one

04:06of you at the cab meetings, at the

04:08community meetings, at the NDF meetings.

04:12Where were you? Where are you now? It is

04:16imperative that you start coming out and

04:19meeting us where we are. I understand

04:21that you all have other words, but we

04:24are part of Reno. We are part of Nevada.

04:28And it is your duty as our leaders to

04:31lead. This is the largest in Nevada

04:34history. Loss of homes. It is a

04:39incredible disaster that you are going

04:42to pass down to generations and scar

04:45your children because your names are

04:47going to be attached to the do nothing

04:49people. The people that let us all

04:51flounder and try to make it on our own.

04:54This is a home and our generations are

04:57never going to be the same. It is

05:00unheard of for you not to have come out.

05:03Leadership starts with that first

05:05handshake, that first smile. You weren't

05:08there. No, you're playing politics.

05:10You're out endorsing people. Stop

05:12endorsing people. Put on a pair of

05:14gloves. Put on some goggles and a mask

05:17and come help me pick up ashes. Ashes of

05:21grandma and grandpa who were in the home

05:22that burned and now we can't find. So,

05:25my belief is the wind has put them on

05:27the property, but we will never have

05:30them again. And that was because you

05:33Where were you? Where are you now?

05:35You're sitting here. You go home. You

05:37get to have your own bed. I live in a

05:39travel trailer. Where are you?

05:42There's no Nobody's called me. Nobody's

05:44reached out to me. Shame on you. And I'm

05:47sorry for the scar you have left for

05:49your children, all your legacy, because

05:52you weren't there. And you aren't there

05:56now. Not okay. Travesty and shame on

06:00you. Where were you and where are you?

06:08Terry Brooks followed by Steven White

06:10followed by David Shakar.

06:19I'm having a little trouble with my

06:21vision today trying to read my own

06:22handwriting. So, I apologize for that.

06:25First, good morning. It's me, Terry

06:27Brooks, again, and today I'd like to

06:30share with you my thoughts on caregiving

06:32for elders and what seniors go through.

06:36There are several groups that do their

06:38best to help a lot of seniors. Some of

06:41those groups are actually made up of

06:43seniors. The Care Chest has been

06:46providing free medical resources to

06:49Neadans in need, including a lot of

06:52Neadan seniors who are in need. They

06:55provide prescription assistance and

06:57diabetic supplies, medical nutrition,

07:00and medical equipment and supplies.

07:04And there's senior Medicare patrol that

07:07empowers seniors to prevent healthc care

07:10fraud that tries to target seniors.

07:13and their Sanford Center for Aging with

07:16community wellness programs, senior

07:19outreach services, and gerontology

07:22academic programs.

07:25And there's seniors in service where

07:27seniors devote their time to enrich

07:30Northern Nevada communities one life at

07:33a time. There are foster grandparent

07:36volunteers who mentor and tutor and do

07:39things to shape today and try to shape

07:42tomorrow too. There are senior

07:44companions who with a lot of

07:46congeniality

07:48provide companionship to other seniors

07:51and make independence a reality. There

07:54is the respite program where seniors can

07:57take a little time to help other seniors

08:00letting other caregivers take a break.

08:03Such volunteering in late life is

08:06associated with better cognitive

08:08function specifically with better

08:12episodic memory and better execution

08:15executive function. So when seniors

08:18volunteer to help other seniors,

08:20everyone benefits, especially all of

08:23those seniors. Helping people with

08:25something in common with yourself not

08:28only helps them, it helps to help

08:30yourself. I would like to thank you all

08:33for listening to me today. It helps me

08:35learn what to say when I come back here

08:37every day. Thank you.

08:42>> Steven White, followed by David Shakar,

08:44followed by Amy Warner.

08:48>> Good morning, folks. Good morning, Vice

08:50Mayor. Um,

08:53you know, there's a lot of people

08:54hurting these days. I don't have to tell

08:56you that there's a lot of people

08:58financially hurting. A lot of seniors

09:00right now are really having a tough time

09:04and the art in the park program provides

09:06a wonderful opportunity for seniors and

09:08we have to really you know get the word

09:11out to seniors. You know a lot of

09:12seniors don't realize there's a whole

09:15world of artwork that they could be

09:17creating bringing beauty to the world

09:19and and uh sharing it with the community

09:21maybe making a little extra money. My

09:24buddy David's here in the crowd today

09:26[laughter]

09:28and maybe I'll get a free breakfast out

09:29of him after this is over. But David's a

09:32good example. He's in his 70s and he's

09:34on a retired income. And uh he's able to

09:38go to the park. He was down at Virginia

09:40Lakes Park this last weekend and had a

09:42real good time down there doing his

09:44artwork, drawing pictures of people and

09:46putting smiles on people's faces and

09:48able to make a little extra money to

09:50help them get through the week. You

09:51know, you know, seniors can be doing a

09:54lot of different things. They can be

09:55doing dreamcatchers, for instance. They

09:57can do what wood carving. Um, they could

10:00be doing decorative stained glass work.

10:03They could do paintings and drawings and

10:05sculpture. Uh, there's a world of art

10:07that they could be doing out there and

10:09sharing it with the community, bringing

10:11beauty to all of our lives and making a

10:13little extra money.

10:16The art in the park program is going to

10:17provide that. It's going to take time to

10:19build this whole thing and get people

10:21out there involved in it. And uh we need

10:24to move forward on getting the mushroom

10:26displays installed in the different

10:28parks. And also we're working on the

10:31signings. We're waiting for that to get

10:32printed and putting up the signage in

10:35all the different parks around the city

10:36that invite artists to come down and do

10:38this. But uh God bless you all for

10:41following up on this Art in the Park

10:43program and keeping it going.

10:46I [clears throat] don't know where

10:47Nathan is, but he he's [laughter]

10:50out there somewhere. Anyway, I was going

10:52to compliment him. Anyway, thank you all

10:55folks and uh you all have a wonderful

10:57day and let's reach out to the seniors

10:59in your awards and let them know about

11:01this wonderful opportunity. Please have

11:04a good one. God bless you.

11:08>> David Shakar followed by Amy Warner

11:11followed by Amber Curiel.

11:16Good morning. I'm a [snorts] freelance

11:18independent artist here today to thank

11:20the city of Reno for making art legal.

11:23Art became legal in April 2014

11:27uh under uh Hillary Shivy with help from

11:31previous administration uh Pat Kashell

11:35and uh it's in Reno Municipal Code

11:38Chapter 5.14 and also 8.13

11:41and it basically says that if you're an

11:44artist you have a right to exhibit and

11:46sell your own self-created art that has

11:50no utility. You have a right to do that

11:52in a public forum like sidewalks and

11:55public parks without payment of a permit

11:59or a business license. Other cities

12:03uh do not want to do that because they

12:06erroneously believe they're going to

12:08lose revenue if they don't charge money

12:11to artists for them to display their art

12:14which is fully protected by the first

12:15amendment. But the irony of that is when

12:20art is made legal, you have more artists

12:22here and the city actually makes more

12:25revenue. When you have more artists

12:27because that brings in more tourists,

12:29the tourists spend money and the city

12:32gets more money. So, it's it's a win-win

12:35situation. I want to tell you about this

12:37uh friend of mine is a woman named Emma.

12:40She's 90 years old. She's beset with

12:42arthritis and she only has use of her

12:45hands for about three hours a day. And

12:48what 90-year-old Emma does to make a few

12:51extra bucks and other seniors could do

12:54the same thing as well to supplement

12:56their income is she makes these

12:58beautiful uh fabric paintings. uh she

13:03cro uh crochets sunsets and seascapes

13:06and landscapes and uh and sells them for

13:10a few bucks. It it really helps her out

13:13a lot. Um

13:15so I'm thanking the city of Reno for

13:17doing that. It's really benefited my

13:20life. It helps out the people who want

13:24to get a caricature from me or a formal

13:28realistic painting. Uh, and they have

13:30the opportunity to do that. Uh I found

13:34that there's other seniors that are now

13:37realizing that they have the right

13:39according to reimus code chapter 5.14 to

13:43exhibit and sell their own self-created

13:46art without utility and without the

13:50payment of a license or permit. That

13:54benefits a lot of people and anyway just

13:57want to thank you council for enabling

13:59that to happen. You take care. Thank

14:02you,

14:08>> Amy Warner. Followed by Amber Curio,

14:10followed by Paula Mcdana.

14:21>> Uh, hi, good morning. Uh, my name's Amy

14:24Warner. My house burned down in the

14:27bugfire.

14:29Um, I was out of town when my house

14:32burned down. I have 33 acres out in Red

14:36Rock. I every my entire property burned.

14:40I do have animals out there. Um, I

14:45returned to my house and there were no

14:48firemen out there for two days. My

14:51property continued to burn. It's full of

14:53juniper trees. Nobody showed up. I saw a

14:56fireman across the street and went over

14:58there, told them that my house had

15:01burned down. They came over, sent fire

15:05um helicopters

15:07two days later, fire trucks two days

15:11later and put out the fire. Um after

15:15that, I have had I received $350 from

15:19Red Cross and $2,000 from Catholic

15:22Charities to start over.

15:25um my life. I lost 33 acres. My property

15:29was not insured because my house was

15:32older and a lot of people were dropped

15:34from insurance.

15:36Um and I do I am curious. I don't know

15:39if I can ask like if anyone can raise

15:41their hand who has driven out there to

15:44look at the damage out in Red Rock.

15:46Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um

15:51because I you cannot see how bad it is

15:53from here. It smells horrible. It smells

15:56horrible out there. And shame on all of

15:59you who have not been out there. Nevada

16:02is an agricultural

16:04state. We do not want to be California.

16:08No. How how are we how is how how

16:12were we represented out there? What is

16:14going on? I really don't understand. So,

16:17I'm here actually because this meeting

16:19is at 10:00 in the morning when no

16:22people can attend it. they're working. I

16:25don't understand that. Um

16:29there is a concern now that of mudslides

16:32happening

16:34and it's a big deal. These are thousands

16:37of acres gone. Thousands. Not to mention

16:41the wildlife and this preposterous idea

16:44just to shove us all in Airbnbs.

16:48Where does the money go? I can't leave.

16:50I have animals on my property. most

16:53people out there do. And I know that us

16:56land owners, we do pay taxes that pay

17:00for city council. So, I I I am starting

17:04over with $2,000, no, $2,350

17:09from the community.

17:11And um yeah, I'm actually here just now

17:14to hopefully somebody does something

17:17about the mudslides for those people out

17:20there and represents rural Nevada.

17:24I don't want to be Tahoe. We moved out

17:26here for this reason. Thank you very

17:28much.

17:32Amber Couo followed by Paula Mcdana

17:34followed by Daniel Jenkins via Zoom.

17:43Hello and thank you for the opportunity

17:45to address you today. My name is Amber

17:47Curillo. I am a public affairs

17:49specialist for the Small Business

17:50Administration, Office of Disaster

17:53Recovery. We are out here uh to help and

17:57give uh options to the survivors of the

18:00fires that came through August 8th

18:02through September 9th. Homeowners and

18:05renters can apply for funding options

18:08for up to $100,000 to repair or replace

18:11personal property like their vehicles,

18:14household goods, furniture, and things

18:15of that nature. Homeowners can also

18:18apply for up to $500,000 to replace real

18:21estate and rebuild.

18:24Uh the homes don't have to have been

18:26destroyed. There are options for

18:27homeowners whose homes have had smoke

18:29damage or heat damage and they need

18:31remediation.

18:32Once approved, homeowners can also

18:34request an additional 20% in order to

18:37mitigate for future damages such as

18:39another fire, wind, or the flooding and

18:42mudslides that you predict will come

18:44through. Think of putting in better

18:46windows, better insulation, fire

18:48suppression systems, better siding, uh,

18:51or shoring up the property to mitigates

18:53against flooding. Businesses affected

18:56can also apply for damages sustained up

18:59to $2 million to replace equipment, real

19:02estate, inventory, and supplies.

19:04Businesses with no physical damage may

19:06apply for economic injury disaster loans

19:08to get working capital to pay their

19:10normal operating expenses. Private

19:13nonprofits, charities, churches, and

19:15private universities are also eligible.

19:18The rates and terms for these loans are

19:19very favorable. As low as 3% for

19:22homeowners and renters, as low as 4% for

19:26businesses, and as low as 3.625%

19:30for private nonprofits, and loan terms

19:33can be as long as 30 years. There is no

19:36interest accured or payments due for the

19:39first 12 months after dispersement. And

19:41there is no application fee or no

19:44obligation to take this funding if they

19:47are approved. I encourage anyone who may

19:50have been affected to go to our outreach

19:52center that and let our customer service

19:54representatives help them. The disaster

19:57outreach center is set up at North

19:59Valley's library at 1075

20:02North Hills Boulevard in Reno. You can

20:05also apply online at sba.gov/desaster.

20:08gov/desaster

20:11or by calling 1 8006592955.

20:17The deadline for filing for physical

20:20disaster damage is November 10th and

20:23economic injury June 11th. This

20:26declaration covers the counties in

20:30Nevada of Wo as well as Carson City,

20:33Churchill, Humbult, Lion, Persing, and

20:37Story, Lassen, Modoc, Nevada, Placer,

20:40and Sierra in California, and Harney and

20:43Lake in Oregon. I look forward to

20:45working with you to help your

20:47constituents recover from this. Thank

20:49you.

20:52Paula Mcdana, followed by Daniel Jenkins

20:55via Zoom, followed by Marissa Earl.

20:57>> I mayor Martinez.

21:01>> Hello.

21:03>> Hello,

21:03>> Council Member. Um,

21:05>> Council Reber, is that you?

21:07>> Yeah. Yeah.

21:08>> Okay. Yeah, we have a public commenter.

21:09We'll head back to you after that.

21:12>> Thank you.

21:13>> Okay.

21:14>> No, go ahead.

21:16>> Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Thank you. Sorry

21:18about that.

21:19>> That's okay.

21:21My name is Paula Mcdana and I live

21:23downtown and uh this past Monday was the

21:27United Nations International Day of

21:29Peace and uh we got proclamations from

21:32Sparks Wo County and from the city of

21:36Reno and I'd like to read it to you and

21:39um thank Mayor Sheibi for signing it. Uh

21:43this is from the office of the mayor

21:45city of Reno, Nevada proclamation.

21:48Whereas September 21st is the

21:50International Day of Peace as

21:52established by the United Nations

21:54General Assembly in 1981 and is an

21:57annual day of nonviolence devoted to

22:00commemorating and strengthening the

22:02ideals of peace within and among all

22:05people and all nations. And whereas

22:08peace is the goal of all moral people

22:10and societies and social ills arising

22:13from violence, poverty and climate

22:15destruction undermine peace. And whereas

22:19global peacefulness has declined for the

22:2212th consecutive year. And the United

22:25States ranks 134th out of 163 countries

22:30in the 2026 global global peace index.

22:34And whereas the International Day of

22:36Peace is an opportunity to make peace in

22:39our own relationships as well as to

22:41promote peace in our communities and the

22:43larger conflicts of our world. And

22:46whereas the nationwide campaign

22:48nonviolence has invited all people of

22:52faith, conscience, and benevolence to

22:54speak publicly for an end to violence

22:57and war, poverty, and environmental

22:59destruction on September 21st and

23:03resolve to create a culture of peace and

23:05nonviolence. Now therefore, I, Hillary

23:08Elshibbei, mayor of the city of Reno,

23:11Nevada, do hereby declare September

23:1421st, 2026

23:17International Day of Peace. In and for

23:19the city of Reno, I encourage all

23:22residents to promote peace in all they

23:25do. In witness thereof, I have set my

23:28hand and caused the seal of the city of

23:30Reno, Nevada to be affixed this 8th day

23:33of September, 2026.

23:37And this is the

23:49>> Thank you.

23:53>> Did you want to go to Council Member

23:55Eert or continue? Okay. Daniel Jenkins

23:58via Zoom, followed by Marissa Earl,

24:01followed by Chelsea G via Zoom.

24:14Daniel Jenkins.

24:26>> Can you hear me?

24:27>> Oh, yes, we can hear you now.

24:29>> Okay, perfect. Sorry about that. Uh

24:32Daniel Jenkins for the record. Uh I have

24:35a couple things to talk through today uh

24:37related to uh Chief Selfrino's testimony

24:41at the prior city council meeting.

24:42Sadly, I was out of state, so I was not

24:44able to attend. Uh he encouraged

24:48the folks speaking out against flock

24:51safety to quote separate fact from

24:54fiction. Uh he claimed that ALPRs have

24:57been in use for over 27 years.

25:00And this is kind of like claiming uh

25:03music playing devices have existed for

25:06you know 50 60 plus years. If we compare

25:09the sonograph to today's current iPods

25:13or your phone with a media player it's

25:16very clear to see that the technology

25:18and capabilities have changed even if

25:21you call them the same thing.

25:24uh specifically with these ALPRs what

25:27has changed is AI image processing

25:32and national databases managed by

25:35private companies i.e. flock safety axod

25:38etc. Uh these centralized databases and

25:41the ability to run AI image processing

25:44on the information captured by these

25:46devices after it has been captured is

25:49the issue. AI image processing does not

25:52need to occur on the device in order for

25:56AI image processing to be used on the

25:59data collected by these systems. Just

26:02like you can take a picture with your

26:03phone and a week later come back, edit

26:06the lighting, edit the exposure, etc.

26:08Any image that is captured and stored,

26:11you can run things like facial

26:13recognition on them.

26:16The added capability of HOAs and other

26:20private entities to purchase these

26:22systems is also not something that was

26:24similar to what Chief Sulfino has

26:27described. Uh he claims something like

26:3020 to 30 ALPRs that are in use uh or

26:35were purchased by city of Reno

26:37specifically. Uh however, we note in the

26:41you know greater Reno area there are

26:42over a hundred of these systems. These

26:45may or may not have been purchased by

26:47City of Reno, but City of Reno pays for

26:50access to that network. You do not have

26:53to pay for the hardware to be paying for

26:58access to these devices. So there are

27:02far greater of these ALPRs in the city

27:05than was noted. Uh he also mentioned the

27:09connect. So Reno connects connect wo

27:12connect that is the software platform

27:15via axon fus where private entities are

27:19able to share their camera feeds. He

27:21said that he did not know the number

27:23that number is publicly shared across

27:25Reno uh I believe it's connect.org

27:28connectsparks.org and WOO connect in

27:32total there are over a thousand cameras

27:34logged by these systems. Uh so this this

27:39mosaic of surveillance this panopticon

27:42uh as council member Ree mentioned is

27:44extensive far beyond the numbers that

27:47the chief reported.

27:48>> Thank you Daniel

27:51Marissa Earl followed by Chelsea G via

27:54Zoom followed by Daniel Bolton.

27:58>> Hello my name is Marissa Earl. I'm

28:02discussing the relief on the I'm

28:04advocating for the families that were in

28:07the Hawkfire. I volunteered for three

28:09days. Three days on the disaster relief

28:13team with my team here.

28:16And the relief effort, I saw firsthand

28:19how our community was affected. I even

28:21had a classmate who had to evacuate.

28:24I want to ask the city of Reno to

28:26continue expanding sharing resources and

28:29for these families that are still

28:30recovering from this fire. This includes

28:33housing, rental assistance, cleanup and

28:36rebuilding, help, food assistance,

28:38mental health support, financial

28:40assistance, help replacing essential

28:42belongings and resources for these

28:44families who may not know how to turn

28:47to.

28:48I also want to see like to see more

28:51community resource events where families

28:53can meet different agencies in one place

28:55and volunteers can learn how we can

28:58continue helping. The fire may be over

29:00but recovery takes much longer than

29:02anticipated. The thing for me and my

29:05community, because I care deeply about

29:07the city of Reno working in healthcare,

29:10is making sure that the people that were

29:12affected by the Hawk fire and the bug

29:14fire also included in all this continue

29:16to feel supported and they know where

29:18they can get help. And I feel as a whole

29:21just seeing the damage and being in the

29:23disaster relief with my amazing team

29:25here, seeing all these families

29:27affected. And I also got to see how the

29:32fire and the fear of where do we go?

29:34Where do we lo where do we go when our

29:36house is gone? Where do we go? Where can

29:38we turn to? And this is where and also

29:42working in pediatrics. What happens if

29:46we need something for our kids? What if

29:47we need something for a baby? Where can

29:50we turn to? This is where I feel like we

29:52need more resources in the state of

29:54Nevada altogether and we need it here in

29:57Reno and all over Nevada into Sparks

30:00even. I was thankful that I had my

30:02amazing team that was able to provide

30:04formula health and I health not health

30:08and certain health hygiene things

30:11toothbrushes necessities that it is

30:14important on Maslo's hierarchy of needs

30:17coming into play food shelter clothing

30:20the basic human needs need to be met

30:22more in the state of Nevada and in the

30:24city of Reno. Thank you.

30:32Yeah, I think uh city manager Brian has

30:35something on that.

30:35>> Thank you. Just for anyone who needs

30:37assistance, the city of Reno in

30:39partnership with the state of Nevada

30:40through Governor Lombardo has set up a

30:44rental assistance program for those

30:46impacted by the fire. You can contact

30:48775-541-8926

30:52or 775-334-3310

30:57and you can speak with one of our

30:58employees. And this assistance is

31:00available not just to the individuals

31:03who are within the geographic boundaries

31:05of the city of Reno, but for every Wo

31:09County resident who was impacted by the

31:11Bug or Hawk fire. So you can partner

31:13with them to get access to rental

31:15assistance, uh, food reimbursement

31:18payments in the form of rental

31:19assistance, and they can connect you

31:21with Catholic Charities. Catholic

31:23Charities is the entity that has been

31:27partnering with the community

31:28foundation. Community foundation has

31:30collected money and that money is going

31:33through Catholic Charities. So if you

31:35need any assistance, please call that

31:36number and they're there to help you and

31:38you do not have to live in the city of

31:40Reno to receive that support.

31:44>> Thank you.

31:46>> Chelsea G via Zoom followed by Daniel

31:48Bolton followed by Maria Lopez.

31:54All right. Can y'all hear me?

31:55>> Yes, we can hear you.

31:57>> Score. Uh, good morning, council. Uh,

32:01I've got three things I'd like to hit

32:03with y'all. And um one of them is on

32:06September 9th there was public comment

32:09provided by Joshua Haybear on uh wanting

32:12to know more the details of the firing

32:15of Chief Nance for someone who was

32:18bringing in uh as an annual salary over

32:22a quart million dollars. There's been no

32:24accountability for the public where that

32:26money has been going to for why they

32:29were fired along with the I think three

32:33to four other individuals within Reno

32:35PD. Um what's a status update on that?

32:38Why is that not being discussed publicly

32:41data centers? Uh while we do have a

32:43moratorum until August of 2027, I have

32:46yet to see any [clears throat] public

32:48activity by this council to come up with

32:52city-based regulations and or a ban on

32:57it. Um sitting on your hands hoping that

32:59someone else picks up the work for you

33:01like it's a state legislature not going

33:03to cut it. Uh y'all need to be doing

33:06something on your own for the city as

33:08well where it's not acceptable. Uh third

33:12item is flock and axon within Reno PD

33:17and its current use. Um Reno PD

33:21apparently entered into a financing

33:24contract with Axon and Flock because the

33:28equipment and software is so expensive.

33:32It's uh it it can't be afforded at the

33:36first glance. So that to me is bad

33:39fiscal policy.

33:41We still don't even know where the money

33:43is being spent for Reno PD. They take up

33:48close to 40% of the city's budget, which

33:52is insane. Um, they're also using these

33:55systems to get ahead of crimes, which is

33:58a pre-rime search. Um, that's illegal.

34:01That's in violation of our constitution

34:03and our amendment. Um, and that's also

34:06prejuditial. That is profiling.

34:09That is an insane way to be lazy because

34:12there aren't enough folks on staff for

34:15whatever reason in Reno PD. Why can't

34:19they retain people? And I understand it

34:21takes about 18 months to 24 months to

34:23get people through uh recruitment boot

34:27camp as noted by Soul Reno on September

34:309th. Um but they leave quite quickly.

34:33What's wrong with the atmosphere in Reno

34:35PD that they're losing people and they

34:37have to turn to technology in order to

34:39do their job? They're outsourcing while

34:42increasing the costs for the city.

34:46Not acceptable. That's all I have. Thank

34:49you.

34:52>> Daniel Bolton, followed by Maria Lopez.

34:59City Council. I'm Daniel Bolton for the

35:02record. Um I wanted to talk to you about

35:04a couple of things. Um we need to sit

35:06down and have talks. I do have

35:08solutions. Um they're real solutions.

35:12They're not band-aids. They're not a

35:14revolving door. They're not a funnel of

35:16money into my pocket. They're an actual

35:19solution to the problem.

35:21Um,

35:23I also wanted to talk about, um, I hear

35:25rumors of the park across the way being

35:28closed early, um, two hours early. Um, I

35:33know what that's about. I know you guys

35:35are trying to get rid of that Tuesday

35:36night feed. That shouldn't happen. This

35:39is where we convene. We have a right to

35:41assemble. This is our night to do that.

35:44We have one night a week, one main feed

35:46that we feed a week. Um, where people

35:49actually get fed. Um, it's it's

35:52essential for us to have that. Now, we

35:55have more homeless people, people losing

35:56their homes with the fires. That kills

35:58me cuz how are these people going to be

36:01treated out here? Nobody's going to see

36:03that they lost their home in a fire.

36:04They're going to see another homeless

36:06person. They're going to treat him foul.

36:08And that's not right. We should all be

36:10treated right. My my program that I'm

36:14developing is we're going to pull the

36:16garbage out of the middle. So it's not

36:19us and them, it's us collectively.

36:22Should be a community all at once taking

36:25care of each other. See somebody on the

36:27street that needs to be picked up, pick

36:29them up.

36:31That's what we're here for. How we show

36:34love. That's how we learn love.

36:37Um,

36:41I've seen a lot of things happen in this

36:44city that um,

36:47I just shake my head. You know, I got

36:49Sulfurino up here telling you that

36:51there's not enough officers. I can't

36:54turn my head in either direction without

36:55seeing one. If you guys are out here on

36:58these streets, you'll see there's too

36:59many cops. That's why we lost six

37:01casinos in less than two years in this

37:03city. You know how much revenue that is?

37:06That's global revenue that funded global

37:08needs that aren't being funded anymore.

37:11The power of the city shift in 2000 when

37:14these cops had their little army sweep

37:17up that Marty Gro. Never seen a show of

37:20power like that in my life. Ever. I've

37:23been in a lot of cities. There's too

37:24many cops here. Chased everybody out of

37:27downtown. That money kept us going.

37:31Everybody had everything they needed

37:33here. They don't now.

37:36I want to bring this back and after the

37:39re reunion revival towers I want to

37:42become a part of that bringing city back

37:45to where it was. My grandpa's built a

37:47great city here and it's been destroyed.

37:51I want to see it come back. That's why I

37:54came back to the city. We can do that.

37:57But we have to sit down and we have to

37:58have talks. You guys have my contact

38:01information. Please reach out to me.

38:07Maria Lopez.

38:13Um, good morning to everyone. Um, I'm

38:17here today for two reasons. Um, Mayor

38:20Shivi would like to give us a

38:21proclamation and recognize uh my

38:24nonprofit's efforts in the Hawk

38:26evacuation in which we teamed up with a

38:29local church, the Bridge Church, to open

38:30up a proper accommodating evacuation

38:34center for our disability neurode

38:36divergent uh community. And um there was

38:40a lot that went into that and it was

38:42really just something that we had to pop

38:44up because the accommodations that were

38:47placed were not appropriate for um our

38:51community and our demographic. Um, I

38:53have reports of a child that went into a

38:56deep uh meltdown that um caused some

38:59selfharming

39:01um behaviors and a concussion because he

39:05slammed his head on the concrete floor

39:07over at the evacuation center. I also

39:09have several reports of aggressive

39:11lighting within the facility there that

39:14was on 24 hours. um as well as um you

39:19know just the mass populace um that was

39:22there and all of these things are

39:24actually very very um inappropriate for

39:28a lot of neurode divergent and

39:29disability folks. So that led us to go

39:33ahead and open up this um evacuation

39:35center in which um many of our community

39:38members were using their own personal

39:40experience and expertise to help other

39:42community um members there. And I just

39:45hope that we can come together because I

39:47have a lot of collective data that I'd

39:49like to share with you. And I've uh been

39:51reaching out to quite a few of you

39:53council members in hopes that we can

39:55connect and share this data with you.

39:58Unfortunately, nobody besides uh Mayor

40:00Shivy has got back to me. And um as an

40:03advocate um it's something that is

40:06pretty normal is you guys not

40:08communicating. I know you got a lot

40:09going on, but before the next um crisis

40:12here in Reno happens, I hope that we can

40:15work together on some preventative

40:17tactics and um maybe we can uh share um

40:22the responsibility because I don't want

40:24to see my people hurt again. Thank you.

40:32>> It was requested that the last two

40:34public commenters uh speak with the

40:35proclamations. Would you like to move to

40:37Council Member Eert?

40:38>> Yes, please.

40:39>> Okay.

40:42>> Yeah. I just wanted to share that um I

40:47have gotten some feedback that the

40:48number listed for me on reno.gov is not

40:53working. So, I wanted to share my phone

40:56number on um or it's the wrong number.

40:59Um,

41:01I wanted to share my cell number is

41:04775569422

41:11for anybody trying to get resources for

41:13the hawk fire or the bug fire. Um, reach

41:17out to me. I have various resources. I

41:20have been working with um Amy and um uh

41:25Nicole already, but if there's anyone

41:28else watching the meeting that needs

41:30additional resources,

41:32um I just wanted to share that phone

41:34number because I I just found out last

41:36night that the phone number listed on

41:38reno.gov um is not my cell and it is not

41:42connecting to me. So um just again

41:45wanted to share my cell is 775-5609422.

41:51So thank you

41:56>> and the proclamations are next.

41:58>> Thank you so much. Yeah, I think council

42:00member Reese is going to read the first

42:02proclamation for us. Hand it off to you.

42:05>> Thank you so much Mr. Vice Mayor and

42:07Ria. If I could have you come back up

42:09with your team or you wanted to come up.

42:11Sure.

42:14Uh this is a proclamation um that is

42:17really I think uh very critically

42:19important and I know Mayor Shivy asked

42:21that it be created and so I'm going to

42:23read it and then uh welcome to take a

42:26picture. Uh so it says whereas the

42:28special needs community of Northern

42:29Nevada SNCN

42:32was created by families directly

42:33impacted by the challenges of navigating

42:35life with a loved one who has a

42:37disability or a developmental challenge.

42:39And whereas through student advocacy,

42:41peer support, and monthly safe spaces,

42:43we build a more united community for

42:45those touched by an all abilities life

42:47path. And whereas the Hawkfire

42:49evacuation highlighted the critical need

42:50for appropriate accommodations during

42:52the disaster. And we're incredibly proud

42:54of the work alongside other community

42:56members and the Bridge Church Reno to

42:58come to the aid of our all abilities

42:59neighbors providing not just shelter,

43:01but direct disaster relief resources.

43:04And whereas to date, SNN has delivered

43:07over 500 meaningful supportive events

43:09designed with comprehensive all

43:10abilities accommodations, a monthly

43:13calendar worth accessible events for all

43:14ages, and peer-to-peer support groups

43:17and holiday assistance support families

43:18and individuals facing hardships. And

43:20whereas we are deeply grateful to our

43:22community partners, volunteers, and

43:23families who make this vital work

43:25possible. Together, we will continue to

43:26ensure that no family walks this path

43:28alone. Now therefore, I Devon Ree on

43:30behalf of Mayor Hillary Shivi of the

43:32city of Reno do hereby declare September

43:3523rd, 2026 as Special Needs Community of

43:38Northern Nevada Day in and for the city

43:40of Reno.

43:42>> Mayor Sheulations, [applause]

43:47I was so impressed when Ria told me your

43:50story. She was like, "We have to

43:52recognize them."

43:54>> What do you think?

43:55>> I think so.

43:56>> Do you want to speak?

43:59She's kind of

44:00>> No, that's okay.

44:01>> What would you like to say?

44:05>> A little bit nervous.

44:06>> Are you a little nervous?

44:08>> Yeah.

44:08>> No, she said something to say.

44:11>> Would you like to say something on

44:13behalf of everyone?

44:14>> What do you think?

44:16>> After so after one of my siblings cuz I

44:20do have like seven siblings.

44:22>> You have that many? Wow.

44:24>> Same for for her.

44:27to say thank you.

44:28>> I would just really like to recognize

44:30these children um and kindness that they

44:33were shown um to other children that

44:35were affected by the evacuation. They

44:38did a lot of peer-to-peer group therapy

44:40with other children um even from arts

44:43and crafts to just watching YouTube

44:45together, but they lifted other children

44:47in their time of need.

44:49>> Very sweet.

44:49>> And you're such a champion for our

44:51disabled community. Thank you so so

44:53much.

44:54>> We're going to take a picture up here.

44:56We're going to take a quick picture.

44:58Okay.

45:08>> Yes.

45:35Did you get it?

45:42Well, thank you for coming and thank you

45:44for your

45:52Okay. No, thank you. Thank you.

45:56>> Thank you so much for this. I really

45:58appreciate this.

46:08Congratulations

46:18real quick. Okay.

46:24>> Makes you taller. But you're not very

46:25tall.

46:33>> Okay.

46:38Okay, go ahead.

46:43>> Okay. She says, "I want to tell you

46:44something." And he says, "I can't tell

46:46you the same thing."

46:56I'm very respectful for the people that

46:59>> I want to go. I made a song.

47:05>> She made a song. So, so everybody I have

47:10one word that I

47:12>> everybody I have one word that I want to

47:15say to everybody and I am really

47:19respectful for the people who that lost

47:22their homes.

47:24>> Thank you.

47:26>> Thank you.

47:26>> You are amazing.

47:28>> I saw the hot fire.

47:31>> Oh, bless your heart. Oh, good job.

47:36Well, thank you so much for being here.

47:37You want to say one thing? Go ahead. Go

47:41for it.

47:41>> Yes. Um, when I was um at the church

47:46charity,

47:49um, I made up a song to try to help the

47:53others, the people that had to evacuate

47:56feel better. But I didn't end up singing

48:00it. But that's okay.

48:03>> Okay. Thank [laughter] you.

48:06>> Bless your heart.

48:06>> We'll send it to Mayor Shy later. Okay.

48:08Send it to me.

48:08>> We're going to send it to

48:09>> Send it to me. I want to hear it. I want

48:11to hear it.

48:13>> All right.

48:14>> You're welcome. Thank you so much.

48:16>> Thank you.

48:16>> Thank you to all y'all.

48:17>> Um I I'm going to interrupt us for just

48:19one minute because something came to my

48:22attention and I cannot go on any longer

48:25without recognizing this incredible

48:27woman. Suzanne Ramos, come over here.

48:30Get over here. This woman just told me

48:33that tomorrow is her last day here at

48:35the city of Reno. She tried to sneak out

48:38without me finding out about it.

48:41[clears throat]

48:41And I don't know if people understand

48:46the impact that this woman has had on

48:48our community, the the victims that she

48:51has fought for, raised awareness for,

48:54been so dedicated to this city. She has

48:57saved lives time and time again with her

49:00advocacy. I actually met Suzanne way

49:02before elected office. So, I knew the

49:04work that she did and how incredible she

49:07was. She represented me and I'm so so

49:10grateful and shame on you for trying to

49:13get out of here without telling us. She

49:15doesn't like goodbyes, but I wanted

49:17everyone to know this woman is

49:18remarkable. Our community has been so

49:21very blessed to have your service and it

49:24goes beyond a pale because it this is

49:27not a job for you. This is something you

49:28live, eat, sleep, breathe every single

49:30day. I can't tell you how many times

49:32she's cried and fought and fought and

49:35fought um for especially for women in

49:38domestic violence situations. Um it's

49:40been remarkable. Your service is

49:42absolutely tremendous. We are going to

49:44miss you like crazy, but I'm on the back

49:46end of you, so we'll go party and have a

49:48margarita, [laughter]

49:50right? Thank you. We love you, Suzanne.

49:53[applause]

49:59>> Make sure you get it when we have our

50:01margaritas. [laughter]

50:03>> All right. Thank you, my friend. Thank

50:04you so much. She tried to sneak out of

50:06here. Look at they're they're giving you

50:07a standing O.

50:09>> Yeah. And Carl knows. Carl [applause]

50:11knows one thing Carl does really really

50:14well is builds a team of excellence and

50:16talent and um that's one thing that he

50:19has always been very proud of. So we're

50:22very very proud. Correct.

50:24>> Absolutely.

50:25>> Suzanne is the best.

50:26>> The best. The best. I don't know how you

50:29could ever replace her. So we love you.

50:32Thank you.

50:32>> Thank you so much for the recognition.

50:34Thank you

50:35>> everyone. Byebye.

50:36>> She's actually on her way to court right

50:38now. Literally her last day and she's

50:41going to court. This is what an amazing

50:44woman she is.

50:47[laughter]

50:48>> We're so

50:52Yes. the honorable.

50:55Well, we're super excited about this.

50:57Everyone knows because we are in a room

51:00full of animal lovers, dog lovers.

51:02Kathleen loves her animals. Jackie loves

51:05her animals. Devin loves her animals.

51:06Naomi loves her animals. Brandy, all of

51:10us love animals. So when when you come,

51:13this is always, [laughter]

51:14you know, the best part of the day.

51:17>> So I want to say thank you to

51:19Councilwoman Der. She was sort of trying

51:21to surprise me with this and it wasn't

51:24working out and she finally had to come

51:25clean and tell me [laughter] before all

51:27of this happened and I felt bad that she

51:29ruined the surprise, but we're we're

51:31grateful.

51:31>> Hopefully you brought your lint roller.

51:32>> You're here. Yeah, exactly. We we all

51:35have need lint rollers. So, [laughter]

51:37um, take it away and tell everyone why

51:39you're here.

51:40>> Yeah. Well, let me, um,

51:44>> Yeah.

51:45>> So, I' I'd love to introduce, uh,

51:47Badger,

51:49who is a, uh,

51:52>> Carellian bear dog. Carellian bear dog

51:56who is trained to haze bears to um get

52:00them to not love people, get them to

52:04move away from trash cans. And um what

52:07was it six months ago or more, uh the

52:10Nevada Department of Wildlife reached

52:13out to me and asked, "Can you help us

52:14with a special project?" Um we are

52:17having more bears than ever in our

52:19community. uh and they are attracted by

52:23primarily by trash and there's some

52:26things we can do. They said we don't

52:27know what to do. What do you think,

52:29Council Member Der? And I said, 'Well, I

52:30think that we could start a program of

52:33awareness to educate people about uh the

52:37need to contain their trash and also to

52:40use bearer resistant trash cans. And I

52:44then uh partnered up with Suzanne Grman,

52:46who I believe is here. Here she is. And

52:49she

52:50Come on, Kendra. All of you

52:52>> as well as um our um comm's team here uh

52:58to get the word out and to talk about

52:59what we could do. We came up with the

53:02idea of using uh some of my council

53:04money to offset the cost for bear

53:07resistant cans. So, if you're already

53:09have a waste management trash can, you

53:12can upgrade it and we would pay for that

53:14for a year. The difference if you have a

53:16large trash can is only $6. So, we're

53:18not talking big bucks, but it was just

53:20that extra push to get people to

53:22understand the issues. And just last

53:25night and the night before, I again had

53:27my neighborhood reach out with um cam

53:31data photographs and video of bears in

53:34my own neighborhood again. And I myself

53:36had a bear in my neighborhood about two

53:38years ago that came on my property, a

53:40mama and three cubs um who ate uh some

53:44fruit, but mostly went for my beehives

53:46and then climbed a tree right by my

53:48bedroom. Um so the beehives were

53:50destroyed. We rebuilt those and put in a

53:52electric uh enclosure around that. But

53:55it was kind of scary having a mom and

53:58three cubs up a tree right by my bedroom

54:00window. So, um, anyway, I want to

54:03introduce, uh, Becca and then I also

54:05want to read the proclamation. And I

54:07just want to say the program is off the

54:10charts successful. Um, we had planned to

54:13do 120 uh, trash can upgrades and in day

54:18one before we could even do the media

54:21event,

54:22uh, they were all claimed. So, even $6

54:26can make a difference to our community.

54:28Um, several carts have already been

54:30delivered and the first rebates will be

54:31showing up on October waste management

54:34bills. And so, let me introduce Becca

54:36Badger and

54:38>> Kenzie.

54:39>> Exactly.

54:39>> You want me to go first? You want

54:40>> I think most of Kenzie almost goes un no

54:43need for introduction.

54:45>> And that is very true. This is

54:46[laughter] Kenzie Margot, everyone.

54:50>> Uh, well, good afternoon, morning,

54:52afternoon. I don't know what time it is.

54:53Mayor and members of the Reno City

54:55Council. My name is Kenzie Margot and

54:56I'm the public information officer for

54:58the Nevada Department of Wildlife or

55:00Endow. And first off, on the behalf of

55:02Endow, I want to thank council member

55:03Derer and the city of Reno for believing

55:06in this effort and importantly putting

55:07funding behind it. Programs like bear

55:09resistant cart rebates. The programs

55:11give residents a practical way to be

55:13part of the solution and we're

55:14incredibly grateful to see the city of

55:16Reno be a part of that. Um, at Endow,

55:19believe it or not, more than 90% of the

55:21bear calls we respond to involve some

55:24kind of humanprovided attractant. So,

55:26we're talking unsecured garbage, pet

55:28food, bird seed, fruit trees, coolers,

55:30and other food sources around homes and

55:32businesses. That means a huge percentage

55:34of the conflicts that we see are

55:35completely preventable. Right now, bears

55:37are also in a really cool phase called

55:39hyperphasia, and it's the period where

55:41they're consuming as many calories as

55:43possible before winter. It's pretty

55:45comparable to me between like

55:46Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's

55:48because a bear can take in roughly

55:5125,000 calories in a single day. And

55:54during this time of year, they are

55:55extremely motivated by food. They may

55:57travel farther, spend more time in

55:59developed areas and repeatedly return to

56:00places where they have found an easy

56:03meal. So once a bear finds and learns

56:04that trash cans mean food, that behavior

56:07can be very difficult to reverse. That's

56:08why securing attractive

56:09>> that sounds like me [laughter]

56:11>> is one of the most important things that

56:13residents can do to help keep bears wild

56:15and keep our community safe. Bear

56:17resistant carts remove a reliable food

56:19reward. And when we remove that reward,

56:21we reduce the reason that a bear keeps

56:22coming back to a neighborhood. So, this

56:23is not about just protecting trash. It's

56:26about preventing bears from becoming

56:27habituated to people, reducing dangerous

56:29encounters, reducing property damage,

56:31and ultimately giving animals a better

56:33chance of remaining wild. So, this

56:35rebate program makes doing the right

56:36thing easier and more accessible for the

56:38residents of Reno. And the response that

56:40we've already seen shows that people

56:41want to be part of that solution. Uh, so

56:44we appreciate the city of Reno, Council

56:45Member Derer, for recognizing that

56:47coexistence takes investment, education,

56:49and action. And I was incredibly proud

56:51to support that, and we hope that

56:52programs like this continue to grow.

56:54Thank you.

56:54>> I love this. And you were so

56:56>> This is the one you really want to hear

56:57from spokesperson for them. And I don't

56:59know if any of you have seen it. And if

57:00you haven't, you got to look it up. And

57:02I assume it's on it's on your I saw I

57:04saw it on your social.

57:06>> Which one?

57:07>> Where um someone was dressed up in a

57:10bear costume.

57:11>> He might be in this room. [laughter]

57:13>> It was fantastic. And I thought that

57:15must have been so fun to film.

57:17>> That's someone on your team. So

57:19>> Oh, was it? Okay. [laughter]

57:21I love it.

57:22>> Thank you for letting me borrow him.

57:23>> It looked like it went viral, but it was

57:25awesome.

57:26>> Without further ado, this is the woman

57:27of of the day.

57:28>> Oh, I love it.

57:30Um, yes, my name is Becca Ivonic. Uh,

57:33good morning, mayor and members of the

57:35city council. I'm a wildlife biologist

57:38with the Nevada Department of Wildlife.

57:40And probably most importantly, this is

57:42Badger, my Corellian bear dog, one of

57:44Endow's Carellian bear dogs here with

57:46me. For more than two decades, the

57:49Nevada Department of Wildlife has used

57:51Corellian bear dogs as one of the tools

57:53in our bear management program. Dogs

57:56like Badger help us with hazing when

57:59appropriate. After a bear has been

58:01captured or handled by Endow, we can use

58:04the dogs noise and other techniques to

58:07create a negative experience around

58:09people and developed areas. The goal is

58:12very simple. We want the bear to leave

58:15thinking, I do not want to come back

58:17here. Corellian bear dogs are especially

58:19suited for this work because they are

58:21confident confident around bears, highly

58:24trainable, and able to safely help us

58:26push a bear away from developed areas

58:28and back towards suitable habitat. But

58:32there is an important limitation to what

58:34Badger and the rest of our bear team can

58:36do.

58:37We can teach a bear that people are

58:39something to avoid, but if that bear

58:42leaves us and immediately finds an

58:44unsecured garbage can full of food, that

58:47reward can outweigh the lesson we just

58:50taught it.

58:51>> That's why prevention at the community

58:53level is so important and is the only

58:55long-term effective solution. Our

58:58Corellian bear dogs are one tool. Bear

59:00resistant trash carts are another. And

59:02when we combine wildlife management

59:04tools with residents securing

59:06attractants, we have a much better

59:08chance of keeping bears from becoming

59:10habituated and conditioned to human food

59:13in the first place. Programs like Reno's

59:16bear resistant cart rebate program help

59:18us do our jobs more effectively and more

59:21importantly, they help give bears the

59:24opportunity to remain wild. Thank you

59:26for supporting that effort and Badger

59:28thanks you too.

59:29>> A that that is fantastic. Okay. I do

59:32want to ask you one thing. I think we

59:34forget that we live in an area where we

59:37have a lot of bears.

59:38>> Yes.

59:39>> And I think people are often caught off

59:41guard. So, what give us some tips or

59:46some help on if we should encounter a

59:48bear, what is what should we do exactly?

59:52>> Yeah, that's a good question. If you

59:53encounter a bear on the trail and you

59:55see a bear before it notices you, um

59:58that's a really special moment to see a

1:00:00bear in the wild. So take your quick

1:00:02photo, back away quietly. Um if

1:00:05>> not taking a photo, [laughter] but okay.

1:00:08>> It's a really special thing to see a

1:00:09bear.

1:00:09>> Optimism, right?

1:00:11>> Um so if you see a bear in the wild, it

1:00:13does not notice you, back away the way

1:00:14you came. Always remain facing the bear.

1:00:17If you are on the trail and you

1:00:19encounter a bear and the bear does

1:00:20notice you, then at that point you're

1:00:22going to stand your ground. Stay where

1:00:24you are. Um and you're going to start

1:00:26speaking firmly. Say, "Hey bear." Um, mo

1:00:30most typ

1:00:32[laughter]

1:00:35um and you want to speak firmly. You

1:00:36don't want to do any high-pitched noises

1:00:38or anything like that or run away. I

1:00:40have several videos of people running

1:00:41away from bears in town.

1:00:43>> I feel like that's what I'm going to do.

1:00:45>> Um, that can trigger a chase response.

1:00:48Um, but so you always want to remain you

1:00:51always want to remain facing them.

1:00:53Generally, when you speak firmly, what's

1:00:55going to happen is they're going to

1:00:56leave. Um once they have left, then

1:00:58you're going to back away slowly um

1:01:00still remaining facing the bear. If when

1:01:02you see the bear and you start speaking

1:01:04firmly, the bear starts approaching you,

1:01:06then you're going to continue standing

1:01:08your ground. Um you're going to act more

1:01:11aggressively. Um so again, start raising

1:01:13your voice a little bit more, but still

1:01:15like firmly speaking, slowly wave your

1:01:18arms. Um and then again, in general,

1:01:20they're going to take off. So that's on

1:01:22the trail. Um

1:01:24>> but what about like out of your house?

1:01:25because it happens all the time when you

1:01:27walk out.

1:01:27>> Yes. So, yeah, out of your house, um you

1:01:30really want to be careful if you are

1:01:32going to like if you store your trash

1:01:35cans outside that have um that are not

1:01:39secured, which you should not be doing

1:01:41anyways um because you are required to

1:01:43secure your trash from wildlife. But if

1:01:45you have your trash cans outside, if you

1:01:47have a bear resistant container, um that

1:01:48smell is still potentially in attractant

1:01:51that's going to bring them in. The

1:01:52important thing is they're not getting a

1:01:53reward, right? So, if you have your

1:01:55trash container stored in an area where

1:01:57you kind of have to round the corner, um

1:01:59that can become a surprise scenario for

1:02:01the bear. Um if you're walking around

1:02:03the corner quietly, um there's a bear

1:02:06visiting your trash can. So, if you're

1:02:08going outside at night or there's been a

1:02:10bear in your area, you always want to

1:02:11make a little bit of noise when you're

1:02:13going outside if you think there's a

1:02:14bear out there. Um again, in those

1:02:17surprise encounters, that is where it is

1:02:20likely that a bear will react

1:02:22defensively. Uh generally that's

1:02:24something like a bluff charge and then

1:02:25they're going to run away. Um so you

1:02:27want to make noise and uh give them a

1:02:29heads up that there is somebody there.

1:02:31But again in those scenarios um you

1:02:34always want to hold your ground, remain

1:02:36facing the bear. Uh speak firmly and

1:02:38once they have taken off then you back

1:02:40away safely to your house.

1:02:41>> Okay. So I have no treats and only an

1:02:44iPhone. Stay away from [laughter] me.

1:02:46But someone said you got to like act

1:02:49bigger than the bear. Is that true?

1:02:51>> Yeah. You want to act big, but don't I

1:02:53mean don't go crazy. Um, generally just

1:02:55speaking firmly and and slowly waving

1:02:57your arms does the trick.

1:02:58>> Okay. Well, thank you so much. I hope

1:03:00that helps everyone.

1:03:02>> So, we have

1:03:02>> I have no idea how to handle

1:03:05>> bear to make an announcement and I also

1:03:08want to make sure Suzanne comes up for

1:03:09just a moment and fills you in on some

1:03:11of the details.

1:03:12>> Okay.

1:03:13>> Kendra, correct?

1:03:14>> Yeah.

1:03:15>> Sorry, correction. Suzanne Grman for the

1:03:17record. Um, so I just wanted to say that

1:03:20the actual numbers of the carts that

1:03:22went out was about half of the actual

1:03:23applications that we got. We got over

1:03:25270 applications.

1:03:27>> Wow.

1:03:27>> Um, unfortunately about half of them

1:03:29were in the county.

1:03:30>> Um, several of those people then reached

1:03:32back out and said, "Well, how do I go

1:03:34ahead and order one?" So, I sent them on

1:03:35their way. So, I think there were many

1:03:37more that um that did acquire one that

1:03:40didn't necessarily get the rebate. And

1:03:41so, yeah, over 270 applications. We

1:03:44actually had to cut it off. Have has

1:03:45there been a conversation with the

1:03:46county to do?

1:03:47>> There has. There has. Are they going to

1:03:49do it?

1:03:50>> Um I I let [clears throat] them know of

1:03:51the interest. Um and I haven't heard

1:03:54anything further, but I can certainly

1:03:56follow up with them, but they are aware.

1:03:57Um Kendra wanted to come up. Kendra from

1:04:00>> Kendra, come on up. We'd love to hear.

1:04:01>> Also a

1:04:02>> the role you're playing and thank you

1:04:03for your partnership.

1:04:05>> Yeah. Fantastic.

1:04:07>> For the Thank you, Suzanne. for the

1:04:09record, Kendra Costalei, Waste

1:04:11Management, and we are so proud and

1:04:12honored to be able to partner with uh

1:04:15Councilwoman Dur with Suzanne who works

1:04:18very hard and it's been really fun

1:04:19working with Endow and Kenzie. Um so, as

1:04:22Suzanne mentioned that uh there are a

1:04:24lot of people who want those carts who

1:04:27couldn't qualify for this program. We

1:04:29got some feedback that the stock wasn't

1:04:31available and I just want to clarify

1:04:33that it is. We have we have a lot of

1:04:35stock of locking carts in our yard. So,

1:04:38anybody who wants to sign up can do

1:04:39that. The price would of course be a

1:04:41little bit different in the county than

1:04:42it is in the city of Reno.

1:04:44>> Okay. Again, just tell us the price in

1:04:45the city.

1:04:46>> I'd like to tell you, but off the top, I

1:04:48don't know. No. Okay.

1:04:49>> Um, but I would encourage anybody to

1:04:50call us at 775-3298822

1:04:54if they have a question about that or

1:04:56stop and visit us at our office on

1:04:58Basser Street, 100 Bassor Street, which

1:05:00is open from 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.

1:05:03weekdays. That's awesome.

1:05:04>> Um, or visit us at reno.wm.com wwm.com

1:05:07or woow.wm.com

1:05:09or sparks.wm.com.

1:05:12Um, and I do want to mention that when

1:05:14we went and uh corrected the accounts

1:05:16for everybody who signed up for a bear

1:05:19cart under this program, we found four

1:05:20that had multiple carts. So, Reno is set

1:05:23up so you get your regular trash service

1:05:25and then you can add a recycle or a

1:05:27trash cart at about half the price. Um,

1:05:29it's not set up that way for bear carts

1:05:31just because of the stock price for bear

1:05:33carts, but we didn't think it made any

1:05:35sense for those four accounts to have

1:05:37one locking cart and one non-locking

1:05:39cart. So, WM is donating the difference

1:05:41for those four carts. That's great.

1:05:43>> Was about $20 a month.

1:05:45>> That's fantastic.

1:05:46>> Yeah. But, uh, thank you again for your

1:05:48partnership on this.

1:05:49>> Well, Kendra, thank you. And Kendra

1:05:50doesn't need any introduction either.

1:05:52She's she's been here.

1:05:54>> Kendra is our liaison with Waste

1:05:56Management. And so we've I feel like

1:05:58I've been working with her over 12 years

1:05:59or about 12 years. Um and she's been an

1:06:02amazing partner. She's also helped us

1:06:04provide trash can or dumpsters so that

1:06:07we can do the um cleanup. So I think

1:06:09every council member has one of those.

1:06:11Um that started with her. And uh in fact

1:06:15I think so this weekend I have my

1:06:17hazardous and electrical waste cleanup,

1:06:19but I think next weekend I have the

1:06:21waste management cleanup. So lot going

1:06:23on in Reno. Um, and on that note, I just

1:06:26wanted to put this in perspective. So,

1:06:28how many bears do we actually have? What

1:06:30are we talking about? Well, it turns out

1:06:32that I've been informed by Endow, and I

1:06:34hope I still have the right numbers,

1:06:35that we have about 800 bears in Nevada.

1:06:38>> Wow. Okay.

1:06:39>> And I thought they were spread all over,

1:06:41maybe in the Darbage Wilderness, etc.

1:06:43But it turns out that 700 of them are in

1:06:47our area in the Mount Rose Wilderness

1:06:50area and that they're coming down um

1:06:53into mostly into W 2. Um which was very

1:06:56coincidental that they contacted me and

1:06:58most of the issues were in W 2, but

1:07:00they're not exclusive. Uh they're

1:07:01they're coming down along Mount Rose

1:07:03Highway. They're coming down into Ward

1:07:05Six right on the fringe. They're coming

1:07:07down. Um we we've had reports of them in

1:07:10Verdi, in Or 5, on Keystone Avenue, in

1:07:14Sparks. So, they're showing up in

1:07:16unexpected places. And one of the

1:07:18reasons that they coming into town for

1:07:21the most part along the Mount Rose

1:07:22Wilderness is the ditches, right?

1:07:24They're following the water, which is

1:07:27serving as a roadway to properties and

1:07:29trash. So, I happen to be just one

1:07:32property away from a ditch. Um and many

1:07:35other people are too. And so if you

1:07:37follow the ditches, you'll find a lot of

1:07:39bears along there. Um, and I think

1:07:41that's again why there I have two

1:07:42ditches within my own neighborhood.

1:07:44That's why we're seeing them. So I just

1:07:46wanted to put some context to it that

1:07:49700 of 800 bears are right here in the

1:07:52Reno area. So very unusual.

1:07:55>> Had no idea.

1:07:55>> I know. Me neither until I got the

1:07:57education. Which is why we want to

1:07:59encourage people to go to the Endow

1:08:01website and learn more about bears.

1:08:04They've got videos. They've got

1:08:05explainers. Um, I've been, since I'm a

1:08:08hiker, I've been meeting up with bears

1:08:10in eastern mountains up in Alaska. I've

1:08:13had a lot of interactions, but having

1:08:15one in your own backyard is a whole

1:08:17different order of magnitude. And

1:08:19they've explained to me some of the

1:08:20challenges up at Tahoe as well. Um, and

1:08:23bears coming in people's homes and that

1:08:24kind of thing. So, the main point here

1:08:26is we don't want to have to kill bears.

1:08:28We don't want to euthanize them. We

1:08:30don't want to relocate them. We want

1:08:31them to stay safe and part of our

1:08:33environment. thus this program. So, I'll

1:08:36just end with uh reading this

1:08:37proclamation. Whereas the city of Reno

1:08:40is fortunate to share its landscape with

1:08:41diverse native wildlife, including the

1:08:44American black bear and numerous other

1:08:46species. And whereas responsible

1:08:48coexistence between people and wildlife

1:08:50is essential to protecting public

1:08:52safety, preserving natural ecosystems,

1:08:55and maintaining the wild behavior that

1:08:58allows wildlife to thrive in their

1:08:59habitat. And whereas 90% 90% of the bear

1:09:05related calls to to endow the department

1:09:07of wildlife involve bears attracted to

1:09:10unsecured trash. 90%. And therefore

1:09:14whereas bears become conditioned to

1:09:16human food sources and lose a fear of

1:09:18people. So they repeatedly return to

1:09:20neighborhoods and threaten public safety

1:09:22and ultimately face as I mentioned

1:09:24relocation or euthanasia outcomes that

1:09:27are preventable through responsible

1:09:29waste management. And whereas

1:09:30animalresistant garbage carts provide a

1:09:33practical, effective, and humane

1:09:35solution by preventing wildlife from

1:09:37accessing household waste. And whereas

1:09:40the city of Reno is committed to working

1:09:42collaboratively with waste management,

1:09:44the Nevada Department of Wildlife,

1:09:46residents, and community partners to

1:09:48encourage responsible waste practices,

1:09:50expand the use of animal resistant carts

1:09:52where appropriate, educate the public

1:09:54about reducing wildlife attractants, and

1:09:57promote stewardship of Reno's natural

1:09:59environment. And now therefore, I Naomi

1:10:01Derer on behalf of Hillary El Shivi,

1:10:04mayor of City Reno, do declare today,

1:10:06September 23rd, 2026, as Living

1:10:10Responsibly with Wildlife Day. And I

1:10:13will just add that I'm so grateful to

1:10:15this team that you've heard from and

1:10:18their work to protect our environment,

1:10:20not just bears because Endow's about a

1:10:21lot of other things, but their work in

1:10:24bears and protecting our wildlife and

1:10:26just doing the education. And again, I'm

1:10:28a I'm an eager learner myself, learning

1:10:30as much as I can. So, I want to thank

1:10:32them. And I don't know if we want to

1:10:34We've got this special badger dog. If we

1:10:36want to do a picture, we'd love to take

1:10:39a picture. I just want to say thank you

1:10:40so much, Councilwoman Der. You have

1:10:42fought for a lot of environmental issues

1:10:44and

1:10:45>> and this is an incredible project. I

1:10:47hope it's a legacy project. Kendra and

1:10:51Kenzie, if you guys could and you if you

1:10:54could continue working with Suzanne on

1:10:56something like this, I think it's so

1:10:57valuable and it also keeps humans and

1:11:00bears safe.

1:11:02>> And to the note about the cost, if you

1:11:05have a big trash can, which many many

1:11:06people do, we're talking about a $6

1:11:09difference

1:11:09>> difference

1:11:10>> per month.

1:11:11>> Okay.

1:11:11>> Okay. So, it's not a lot. Um, you want a

1:11:13picture?

1:11:14>> Yeah.

1:11:15>> Okay, let's do it.

1:11:19cute.

1:11:48Can you give him a smile?

1:12:18brown dress shoes with the bar.

1:12:20>> So he's like

1:12:28doctor. He does anything you say.

1:12:30[laughter] I love it. I love it.

1:12:51>> Hi,

1:12:52>> I'm crashing the party. Good. I love it.

1:12:54>> Not a mayor.

1:12:55>> I love it. Love it. Love it.

1:12:57>> I have gifts from the Northern Nevada

1:12:59Children's Cancer Foundation and the

1:13:00Reno Fire Department and they have a

1:13:02gift for all of us. So, I was just going

1:13:04to let them let us know what the gift is

1:13:06and we're going to take a quick photo.

1:13:08>> Okay. Love it. Go ahead.

1:13:10>> All right. Um, my name is Robert

1:13:12Bradley. Um, I am a firefighter with the

1:13:15city of Reno and I'm standing next to

1:13:17two amazing individuals, uh, Chief

1:13:19Cochran and Tiffany Crest. They uh both

1:13:23do so much for the community and uh it's

1:13:27a honor to be able to bridge the gap

1:13:29here with Northern Nevada Children's

1:13:31Cancer and uh Reno Fire. So super proud

1:13:35to uh do this for the city and for the

1:13:38uh the vulnerable kids in our community.

1:13:41So

1:13:42>> thank you, Robert. Robert is obviously

1:13:44one of our very own. Um, so last year at

1:13:48Natalya's night, which um is another

1:13:50event that we do, uh I realized that we

1:13:53have a shirt pretty much almost every

1:13:55month uh in uh the fire department for

1:14:00different events that we do and I

1:14:01realized there wasn't one for children's

1:14:03cancer awareness month, which is

1:14:04September. So I wanted to create a shirt

1:14:08and Chief Cochran gave me the approval

1:14:09to move forward with that. So between uh

1:14:13the city and um the organization just

1:14:16trying to come up with a design that fit

1:14:18and made sense and worked for both

1:14:20organizations. So this is what we came

1:14:22up with. So

1:14:23>> I love it.

1:14:24>> Wanted to gift you all the shirts.

1:14:27>> Thank you.

1:14:27>> Yeah, absolutely.

1:14:28>> And Brandy and Kathleen have worked

1:14:30directly with this organization. You do

1:14:32phenomenal work. And Robert, thank you

1:14:35for heading this up. Robert obviously is

1:14:37one of our own, so we're very proud of

1:14:39him as well. But that was it was great

1:14:41for you to champion this. So continue to

1:14:44do it because it's it's so valuable,

1:14:48>> you know. Good job. Thanks, Chief, for

1:14:50allowing

1:14:51>> allowing him to do it.

1:14:53>> I'll just say real quickly like Robert

1:14:54gives me credit, but my superpowers I

1:14:56say, "Hey, that's a great idea. Make it

1:14:58so." [laughter]

1:15:00>> And that's the kind of people we have.

1:15:01They do it and run with it. And now we

1:15:02have this.

1:15:03>> But he's young, got the energy to do it,

1:15:05and so we're gonna expect more. Robert,

1:15:07>> absolutely.

1:15:08>> Okay.

1:15:08>> Yeah. [laughter] All right, good. Let's

1:15:10take a picture.

1:15:12Cool.

1:15:14>> I love this. You want to know why?

1:15:16Because it's a V-neck. We never get

1:15:17V-necks. You're stepping it up. You're

1:15:20stepping it up.

1:15:22>> Good job, Robert.

1:15:24>> I'm impressed. And it's nice. It feels

1:15:27nice. It's not scratchy.

1:15:29>> I love it. Okay, here we go.

1:15:39That's so great. Love this.

1:15:41>> I can't wait to

1:15:46>> Thank you.

1:15:46>> Yeah.

1:15:47>> Yeah. Good job.

1:15:49>> Thank you so much.

1:15:52>> Robert and you're at firehouse six.

1:15:56You're at firehouse 6.

1:15:57>> Yep.

1:15:57>> Okay.

1:15:58>> For a few more months.

1:15:59>> And then where are you going?

1:16:01>> I don't know yet.

1:16:01>> Didn't they move you around?

1:16:04Oh, yeah. They have their bid coming up

1:16:05where they get to choose where they get

1:16:06to work.

1:16:07>> Oh.

1:16:09>> Oh, okay.

1:16:13>> But you're ready to Yeah. Yeah. Well,

1:16:15thank you. It's good to see you, Robert.

1:16:23>> SBA woman.

1:16:26>> I would ask Jackie. Jackie should be

1:16:28back there. Will you go back there? And

1:16:30because Kate is supposed to be calling

1:16:33We find out make sure everyone's on the

1:16:35same page.

1:16:37>> Okay.

1:16:38>> All right.

1:16:40>> We do have two final public commenters

1:16:42if that's

1:16:43>> good. Go right ahead.

1:16:43>> Okay.

1:16:44>> Greg Nuttle followed by Mui Condan via

1:16:46Zoom.

1:16:47>> All right. Greg, hi.

1:16:49>> Hi.

1:16:50>> How are you?

1:16:50>> Good. How are you?

1:16:52>> Thanks for sticking with us.

1:16:53>> Of course. I came late. That was my

1:16:55fault.

1:16:55>> No, it's all good.

1:16:56>> All right.

1:16:57>> Okay.

1:16:57>> So, thank you, council members. Mayor

1:17:00Shivy, it's nice to see you all this

1:17:01morning. Um, I wanted to talk in

1:17:03opposition to one of your consent agenda

1:17:06items B18 and uh that's regarding the

1:17:10acquisition of a $10,000 precision rifle

1:17:13for the Reno Police Department. And I'm

1:17:15going to read my statement because I

1:17:16tend to be a little uh overly verbose

1:17:19and I'll keep it to the three minutes.

1:17:21Okay.

1:17:21>> Um, so my concern with this is not

1:17:23simply that it's a firearm. My concern

1:17:25is how we decide what our police

1:17:27department needs. So, the staff report

1:17:30essentially says we're being offered

1:17:31this $10,000 rifle for free. So,

1:17:34accepting it will enhance our

1:17:35capabilities with no acquisition cost,

1:17:38right? So, I think that yay, someone's

1:17:42giving us a free gun is not

1:17:45justification for our public safety.

1:17:48And I want to talk a real quick story. A

1:17:50month ago, I watched the RPD SWAT team

1:17:53in action. actually two SWAT teams when

1:17:55they responded to an incident across the

1:17:58street from my house just a couple

1:17:59blocks away over there. Um

1:18:02my neighbor's friend had locked her out

1:18:04of her apartment and wouldn't let her

1:18:06back in. That's the prompt for this. And

1:18:09the RPD over the next 8 hours responded

1:18:12with again two SWAT teams, 10 patrol

1:18:16cars, a negotiation van, a $20,000 drone

1:18:20that smashed into the windows of her

1:18:22apartment and the next door neighbor's

1:18:23apartment for some reason before

1:18:25crashing to the ground. um an

1:18:28unsuccessful battering ramp deployed,

1:18:32a motorcycle for some reason, and over

1:18:3420 officers for a guy that had locked

1:18:37himself in her friend's apartment.

1:18:39[snorts] Oh, and a $500,000

1:18:42bombthrowing, percussion bomb throwing,

1:18:44smoke bomb throwing robot that uh

1:18:47eventually resulted in a naked old man

1:18:50crawling out through the broken glass to

1:18:53be swarmed and tackled by a team of RPD

1:18:56officers. So point being, if these are

1:18:59the resources that the RPD and the SWAT

1:19:01teams already have at their disposal for

1:19:04what basically amounted to a wellness

1:19:06check, I think this council owes it to

1:19:08the public to explain specifically how

1:19:12one new gun is going to contribute to

1:19:14our public safety. What problem does the

1:19:16weapon solve? Does it replace existing

1:19:18equipment? What are the operating costs

1:19:20for ammunition, training,

1:19:22qualifications, and maintenance? And

1:19:24under what exact circumstances will it

1:19:27be deployed? And maybe there's a

1:19:28legitimate operation. I don't know. But

1:19:31if there is, I would like to hear it. I

1:19:33think police equipment decisions should

1:19:35be driven by identified public need.

1:19:38Identified need for public safety

1:19:41followed by public scrutiny, not by

1:19:43whatever free equipment a private donor

1:19:45wants to offer. And a donation deserves

1:19:47the same scrutiny as a purchase. So, if

1:19:49this council would ask questions before

1:19:52spending $10,000 of taxpayer money on

1:19:54this rifle, it should ask those same

1:19:56questions before accepting one for free,

1:19:58just like we should have had more

1:20:00scrutiny about the flot camera contract

1:20:02that was no cost to the city. At a

1:20:05minimum, I' I'd like to ask you to pull

1:20:06B18 from the consent agenda and have

1:20:08that discussion publicly before deciding

1:20:11whether Reno actually needs this weapon.

1:20:13Thank you,

1:20:15Mui Condan via Zoom.

1:20:22Hello. Good morning. My name is Moy

1:20:24Condan. I'm with the Ronald McDonald

1:20:26House, Northern Nevada. Um, can you guys

1:20:29hear me? Okay,

1:20:30>> we can.

1:20:31>> Okay, great. I wanted to take this

1:20:33moment to thank um, Vice Mayor Miguel

1:20:36Martinez's office for reaching out and

1:20:38council also for reaching out and

1:20:41letting us know of your generous

1:20:42thousand donation to our Red Shoe Gala

1:20:45this year. I wanted to take a moment to

1:20:46thank you so much because your support

1:20:49goes towards helping the families we

1:20:51serve. I wanted to update you that this

1:20:53year up until August we have served over

1:20:56194 families at the house and provided

1:20:591,928 nights of lodging. So the Ronald

1:21:03McDonald House northern Nevada we are a

1:21:05nonprofit that provides essential

1:21:07services to families that have children

1:21:09who need medical care and their stay

1:21:12with us is completely free. so they can

1:21:14stay with us, be close to their child,

1:21:16and focus on what's important, their

1:21:18family. I wanted to take this moment

1:21:20again to thank you so much for your

1:21:22meaningful and generous support.

1:21:25It contributed directly to the success

1:21:27to the success of our event. This year's

1:21:30Red Shoe Gala was the highest grossing

1:21:32within the past five years, and that's

1:21:35all thanks to support like yours, our

1:21:38council members. Thank you again to Vice

1:21:41Mayor Miguel Martinez for reaching out

1:21:43and letting me know also. And I wanted

1:21:46to thank you for choosing the Ronald

1:21:48McDonald House North Nevada.

1:21:53>> Thank you.

1:21:55>> Thank you so much.

1:21:58>> Good job.

1:22:00>> All right. And with that, we have no one

1:22:01else registered to speak. For the

1:22:03record, we received 35 comments which

1:22:05were general in nature or not directly

1:22:06associated with an agenda item prior to

1:22:084 p.m. yesterday, September 22nd. These

1:22:11comments were written correspondents

1:22:13received via our reno.gov online public

1:22:15comment form or by email to our office.

1:22:17Copies of these comments have been

1:22:19distributed to the Reno City Council and

1:22:20are available to the public on the

1:22:22reno.gov meeting portal. And with that,

1:22:24we can move on to approval of the

1:22:25agenda. Okay. Thank you so much. Just

1:22:27before we begin, if if any of you are

1:22:30here for an item, please let Madame

1:22:31Clerk know. We'd like to move those up

1:22:33on the agenda so that you're not waiting

1:22:35here all day. So, thank you.

1:22:40>> Okay.

1:22:42Um,

1:22:43Madame Mayor, if you'd like, I can note

1:22:45just for the record, we have no proposed

1:22:47changes to the agenda today and

1:22:50>> items can go in order until you pull

1:22:52them out of order in accordance with

1:22:53people in the audience.

1:22:54>> Okay. Thank you so much. So

1:22:56>> move to approve.

1:22:57>> At this time I'm uh accepting a motion

1:22:59for approval.

1:23:00>> Second.

1:23:00>> I have a second. All those in favor say

1:23:02I.

1:23:02>> I.

1:23:03>> All those opposed. Motion carries.

1:23:04Approval of the minutes.

1:23:06>> So moved.

1:23:07>> I have a motion. I have a second. All

1:23:09those in favor say I. I.

1:23:10>> All those opposed. Motion carries uni

1:23:13unanimously. All right. Heading into

1:23:15consent items. May I get um I'm going to

1:23:19start with you, Councilwoman Anderson.

1:23:22Anything? Nothing. Vice Mayor,

1:23:25Councilwoman Taylor, I have to pull B12

1:23:27for a disclosure, please.

1:23:28>> Okay, perfect.

1:23:30>> Councilman Reese,

1:23:31>> nothing. Madame Mayor,

1:23:32>> Council Der.

1:23:33>> Yeah. Uh, Madame Mayor, um, just out of

1:23:35respect, I'd like to pull uh, item B18

1:23:39with Mr. Nuttle's um, comments and then

1:23:42B19. I just really wanted to thank the

1:23:44Pennington Foundation.

1:23:45>> Okay, great. and council neighbor.

1:23:49>> I'd like both item B9 and council member

1:23:53Derer pulled my other item. So, thank

1:23:55you.

1:23:56>> Uh, which one was that? B18 or 19?

1:23:58>> Um, I believe it was B18.

1:24:03>> Okay.

1:24:05>> Move to approve all remaining items.

1:24:08>> Thank you. I have a motion. I have a

1:24:09second. All those in favor say I.

1:24:11>> I. Those opposed? Motion carries

1:24:13unanimously. Okay.

1:24:15>> Apologies. So, I missed the second.

1:24:17>> Pardon?

1:24:18>> Oh, thank you.

1:24:18>> Okay. Uh, and we're going to head over

1:24:20to item B12.

1:24:22>> B9.

1:24:23>> Oh, is it B? Oh. Oh, sorry. B9.

1:24:27>> I also I don't need a a

1:24:31>> Sorry, I'm not feeling well today. I

1:24:33don't need a big presentation. I just

1:24:36wanted to call out that we're putting in

1:24:38a lot of work at Mayor's Park. I know

1:24:40that um that area's uh needed some some

1:24:45love for a long time. So, just really

1:24:47excited for the um upgrades we're going

1:24:51to be having there and um the plans that

1:24:55parks and rack has been working on for

1:24:57there. So, I don't I don't really need

1:24:59anything else other than to just say we

1:25:02we have upgrades coming to Mayor's Park

1:25:05and I'm just really excited about it.

1:25:08So, um, that was it unless Nathan has

1:25:11anything he wants to say about it

1:25:13specifically.

1:25:14>> Awesome. My Looks like we're good. If

1:25:16you want to give us a motion, Council

1:25:17Member Gert.

1:25:18>> Okay. Yeah. Um, motion to approve.

1:25:21>> Second.

1:25:22>> We got a motion and a second. All those

1:25:23in favor say I.

1:25:24>> I.

1:25:24>> I. Any opposed? Motion passes

1:25:27unanimously. Thank you. With that, I'll

1:25:29move on to agenda item B12.

1:25:31>> Thank you, Mr. Vice Mayor, um, fellow

1:25:33council members, and madame clerk. In

1:25:34the interest of full transparency on

1:25:36this item, I am disclosing that Jacobs

1:25:38Engineering Group is a former client

1:25:40client of my consulting firm, Tailor

1:25:41Made Solutions. It is reasonably

1:25:44foreseeable that Jacobs may be a TMS

1:25:46client in the future. Accordingly, I

1:25:48will not be participating or voting on

1:25:49this item today. Madame Clerk, please

1:25:51accept this disclosure and lodge it on

1:25:53the record for this meeting pertaining

1:25:55to these agenda items.

1:25:57>> Move to approve item B12. Thank you. We

1:26:00have a motion.

1:26:00>> Second

1:26:01>> and a second. All those in favor say I.

1:26:03>> I. I. Any opposed? Motion passes

1:26:06unanimously. Thank you. With that, we'll

1:26:08close it out and go to item B18.

1:26:10>> Yeah. Um I was wondering if a member of

1:26:13uh our police operations could just talk

1:26:17to us about the gun.

1:26:22>> Yeah, looks like we have some staff

1:26:23coming up.

1:26:26>> Chief, welcome.

1:26:29>> Thank you, council.

1:26:30>> So, Chief, thank you for being here.

1:26:31There was a number of questions and I I

1:26:34thought they were relevant in that they

1:26:35that they should be answered whether

1:26:37we're buying the gun or getting donated

1:26:38the gun. If you could just explain the

1:26:40use of it and the training required and

1:26:43I think there was uh questions about the

1:26:45cost, you know, going forward.

1:26:48>> Yes, ma'am. Uh Cory Salrino, for the

1:26:50record, thank you for the question. I do

1:26:51think it's important to disclose what

1:26:53this is and what this isn't.

1:26:54Unfortunately, uh with bad actors in our

1:26:57community, with open air venue events,

1:26:59with us wanting to track tourism and

1:27:01special events and everything that we

1:27:03host outside, uh a lot of lessons

1:27:05learned from tragedy across our country,

1:27:08specifically in Southern Nevada during

1:27:09the October 1st shooting. So now part of

1:27:12our profile when we go out and we do

1:27:14special events is sniper overwatch,

1:27:16sniper observer teams, and the ability

1:27:17to reach out and stop bad actors before

1:27:20active asalants and mass shootings

1:27:22occur. Uh this is a long range sniper

1:27:24rifle that will complement our uh

1:27:27arsenal and SWAT and is going back into

1:27:29the regular armory process. It just

1:27:32helps the department from having to go

1:27:34out and pay for additional weaponry. Uh

1:27:37the maintenance on it, these rifles have

1:27:39a lifespan of anywhere from 10 to 15

1:27:41years if they're taken care of properly.

1:27:43There's not really any maintenance costs

1:27:45associated with a bolt-action rifle. uh

1:27:47other than routine board breakins and

1:27:49cleanliness and qualifications for our

1:27:52team members that do it on a routine

1:27:53basis.

1:27:54>> Okay. And do we already have you several

1:27:58of these uh type of weapons?

1:28:00>> We have several different sniper rifle

1:28:03platforms. This one that was given a

1:28:05donation allows us the ability uh to

1:28:07reach further and to potentially stop

1:28:10vehicles from going mobile if we need to

1:28:12disable a vehicle from a long range. And

1:28:14can you just say is this a new gun or a

1:28:17used gun?

1:28:18>> This is a new gun, ma'am.

1:28:19>> All right. Thank you. I don't know if

1:28:20anyone else has any questions or

1:28:22comments.

1:28:23>> Chief, I don't have any questions, but I

1:28:24want to uh acknowledge the donator. Uh

1:28:27Mr. Dorettto uh is someone who has been

1:28:30a consistent advocate for um all of

1:28:32Reno. Uh and certainly has been a friend

1:28:35to law enforcement um serving on the

1:28:38police chief's advisory board for many

1:28:40years, which I had the privilege of

1:28:41serving on with him. Uh, and although I

1:28:44um don't know the mechanics of of the

1:28:47type of weaponry that you use, I I

1:28:50wouldn't expect to know it, right? I'm

1:28:52happy to be uh you know, a licensed gun

1:28:54owner and have taken the classes to

1:28:56properly store and handle the weapon I

1:28:58own. Um, but I'm grateful that you uh

1:29:00understand what it is and your team will

1:29:02use it in the service of protecting our

1:29:04community. So, again, grateful for Mr.

1:29:06D. Lorettto's uh w willingness to donate

1:29:09it. I am very grateful for that and

1:29:11certainly happy that our officers have

1:29:13the equipment needed to keep us safe.

1:29:15>> Thank you, sir.

1:29:16>> And I think didn't um Miss Eert also

1:29:19have a question.

1:29:20>> Council member Eert, do you have

1:29:21comments or questions?

1:29:24>> Um yeah, I

1:29:27I don't really want to have discussion

1:29:29on it. I just wanted to make sure that

1:29:31we voted on it separate from the consent

1:29:33items.

1:29:34>> Okay. Do you want to make the motion?

1:29:36I'm happy to move to approve item B8.

1:29:44Okay, we have a motion second

1:29:46>> and a second. All those in favor say I.

1:29:49>> I.

1:29:49>> Wait. Uh, yeah. Um, I I want to say I I

1:29:53really appreciate um the um

1:29:58the intentions and I totally understand

1:30:01that um we live in a different time now

1:30:05with shootings. Um I I am going to be a

1:30:08no vote um at this time. I'm just not

1:30:11comfortable with it. Um

1:30:14but I just wanted to say thank you to

1:30:17Mr. Dorettto and to um Chief Sulfurino.

1:30:21Um but I'm just not comfortable with it

1:30:24at this time. So I'm going to be a no

1:30:25vote.

1:30:26>> Okay. With that, we have a motion. All

1:30:27those in favor say I.

1:30:29>> I. Any opposed?

1:30:31>> Opposed.

1:30:32>> Motion passes. Thank you.

1:30:34>> Thanks, sir. close that out and move on

1:30:36to agenda item B19.

1:30:37>> Yeah, thank you. Um, I pulled this item

1:30:40because I I don't know I'll have many

1:30:42more opportunities to thank the

1:30:44Pennington Foundation. Um, they have

1:30:46been so supportive of things that we

1:30:48have done at the city of Reno. Uh, they

1:30:50gave, for example, a $5 million

1:30:53contribution to our public safety

1:30:55center. They provided a $9 million

1:30:58contribution to our Moana pool system.

1:31:01Um, and then there's probably other

1:31:03things that I don't even know about, uh,

1:31:05even smaller or bigger, but this one is

1:31:07certainly very significant. This is, uh,

1:31:10two $2.5 million for the Reno Fire

1:31:13Department to be able to acquire

1:31:14equipment that is apparently very much

1:31:17needed. And I believe it's a cost share,

1:31:1950/50 is what I understand. Would you

1:31:21gentlemen like to just speak to it

1:31:22briefly?

1:31:28Uh Aaron W, the administrative services

1:31:30manager for the fire department. Um

1:31:32yeah, so this does uh go with our

1:31:34apparatus replacement plan that we have

1:31:37presented before to the council and that

1:31:38the council has approved and that has

1:31:40been supported by the city manager's

1:31:42office. Um this does allow us to

1:31:44accelerate the apparatus replacement

1:31:46plan and addressing immediate needs as

1:31:49you mentioned, but also it allows us to

1:31:51have a more sustainable plan for the

1:31:53next 10 years.

1:31:54>> Okay. Fantastic. And I know at my

1:31:56briefing I had asked if we had the

1:31:58funds, the other $2.5 million to do the

1:32:00match, whether it was budgeted. It

1:32:02sounded like the answer was yes. Do you

1:32:04want to?

1:32:05>> Yes. So, we were budgeted uh 1.5 million

1:32:08in this year's uh budget and thank you

1:32:10to the support of our finance director,

1:32:12Vicky Van Beerren. Um but we also have

1:32:15revenue coming from wildland um

1:32:17reimbursements that we will be

1:32:19addressing the the remaining funds

1:32:20>> and that is for fighting fires in areas

1:32:24that are not ours and is that correct?

1:32:26>> That is correct. Y

1:32:27>> and then we're getting reimbursements

1:32:28from the federal government.

1:32:30>> That's correct.

1:32:30>> Gotcha. Thank you. All right.

1:32:32>> I'll just speak to

1:32:33>> Yeah.

1:32:34>> Uh good morning. Uh Pete Bryant,

1:32:35Division Chief Support Services, the

1:32:37Reno Fire Department. And just to

1:32:38explain a little further on these

1:32:39apparatus, what we're looking at is two

1:32:41engines, two new fire engines, and one

1:32:43aerial ladder truck. So, this grant and

1:32:46the generosity of the Pennington

1:32:48Foundation will enable us to purchase

1:32:50those three items as soon as possible to

1:32:52get them in the queue. As I'm not sure

1:32:54you're aware, but we're with the fire

1:32:56apparatus manufacturing, it the lead

1:32:59times are getting longer and longer. So,

1:33:00to be able to do this right now with

1:33:02this grant would definitely be able to

1:33:04get these apparatus sooner in our

1:33:06stations serving our communities. Okay.

1:33:07And what is sooner like 3 years? I mean,

1:33:10>> well, right now there some of them are

1:33:12up to 40 months, but we're hoping that

1:33:14with being able to make this purchase,

1:33:16we could get some of them in 12 to 16,

1:33:19maybe 24, but which still sounds crazy,

1:33:21but it's better than a couple years ago

1:33:23we were looking at four years for a

1:33:25ladder truck. Um, and they've been able

1:33:27to bring those down, but we're uh we're

1:33:29hoping to keep them being able to have

1:33:31the purchasing power to be able to do

1:33:33this. We can get those lead times down.

1:33:34>> All right. Thank you so much. And um Mr.

1:33:37Vice Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to

1:33:40accept the grant. I don't know if anyone

1:33:42else had something to say.

1:33:44>> Doesn't look like ahead.

1:33:46>> All right. Well, with that, I'd like to

1:33:47make the motion to accept the uh

1:33:50>> $2.45 million for the Reno Fire

1:33:53Department frontline fire apparatus.

1:33:55>> Second.

1:33:56>> We have a motion and a second. All those

1:33:58in favor say I.

1:33:59>> I. Any opposed? Motion passes

1:34:02unanimously.

1:34:02>> All right. Thanks.

1:34:03>> Thank you.

1:34:04>> Thank you. We'll close those items and

1:34:06move on to our C item C1, our monthly

1:34:09financial update with Director Van

1:34:10Beern.

1:34:14Good morning, Vicky Vanurren, director

1:34:16of finance. For the record, um I have a

1:34:20brief update for you today. This is the

1:34:22monthly update that I bring forward to

1:34:24you. And this going here. Thank you.

1:34:29So, this is your September update. It

1:34:32aligns with the strategic priorities

1:34:33through fiscal stewardship.

1:34:37Today I'm going to still talk about the

1:34:39closing out of the books for June 30. We

1:34:41are still working working on that,

1:34:42creating those financials and going

1:34:44through the audit process. The annual

1:34:47comprehensive financial report, the

1:34:49audited report comes back to you in

1:34:51December. And again, that's closing out

1:34:53last year, which is fiscal year 26.

1:34:56We have a special topic today, the risk

1:34:59internal service fund. And I have some

1:35:00slides on that. I will stop after

1:35:02talking about the general fund and

1:35:04closing out the books and then for

1:35:06questions and then I'll move on to the

1:35:07risk fund.

1:35:09So in the general fund, you know,

1:35:11overall the results are tracking as we

1:35:14anticipated. The consolidated taxes are

1:35:17exceeding estimates by 3.8%.

1:35:21And um

1:35:24this is due to strong consumer spending

1:35:26and this is offsetting slightly lower

1:35:28than expected uh revenues in the

1:35:31property taxes, franchise fees and

1:35:33licenses. Um those range anywhere

1:35:36from.9% to 1.7% below. So still very

1:35:40close to estimates. Um but the increase

1:35:44in the revenue in CAX is offsetting some

1:35:47of that. We do have some additional

1:35:49revenue that is different from what you

1:35:51saw last time in the other area. Those

1:35:54were reimbursements for um some items

1:35:58and they have offsetting expenditures

1:36:00because as a reimbursement they have an

1:36:02offsetting expenditure. Um we also did

1:36:05book some investment income. So that's

1:36:07some of the differences here from the

1:36:08last month when you saw this.

1:36:12On the expenditure side, salary and

1:36:14benefits are 3% above estimates and what

1:36:18operating supplies and capital are 3%

1:36:21over estimates as well. So both of these

1:36:23being over and again some of that

1:36:25correlates to the reimbursements that we

1:36:27receive toward the end of the year that

1:36:28have those offsetting expenses. Um this

1:36:32is critical and important because these

1:36:34results are close to estimates and

1:36:36that's good because um that makes us

1:36:39know that our anticipated fund balance

1:36:41that we anticipate as we move into this

1:36:43year is right on track where we where we

1:36:47estimated. Um I do want to point out

1:36:49services and supplies here does include

1:36:52uh encumbrances and the encumbrances are

1:36:54the purchase orders or those contract

1:36:56commitments that are outstanding at year

1:36:58end not completed. So we'll roll those

1:37:01forward to complete in the current year

1:37:03of previously approved and that's $4.9

1:37:06million and that's rolled up into this

1:37:08slide so you can see it all together.

1:37:11So this is your first look of kind of

1:37:13how it all comes out. Um again these are

1:37:15un audited. We're closing out. I don't

1:37:17anticipate really any material changes

1:37:20from this point forward. And so next

1:37:22month's uh meeting, I probably won't

1:37:25talk about this unless there are

1:37:27material changes or other things that

1:37:30impact this. But I really don't see any

1:37:32additional changes as we continue to

1:37:33close out from this point. Um you know,

1:37:37these are preliminary figures. The

1:37:39general fund, the total sources are $382

1:37:42million. total uses um 382.5

1:37:47million. So that difference really is

1:37:49extremely small. We're very spot-on with

1:37:52where we were estimating. And again,

1:37:54that makes the reason that's important

1:37:57is the assigned unassigned fund balance

1:37:59and having that fund balance as we roll

1:38:01forward to this year. So really spot on

1:38:04uh with that estimated difference only

1:38:05being about $140,000 at this point. Um,

1:38:09in the reserved line, in the uses line,

1:38:12I just want to call out that $13 million

1:38:14does include those incumbrance carry

1:38:16forwards that I mentioned before, $4.9

1:38:19million

1:38:20reserves to balance the current year

1:38:22budget. So, when you adopted the current

1:38:24year budget, there was a budget gap of

1:38:27$4 million. Um, fund balance was used to

1:38:30bridge that gap. That $4 million is

1:38:33included in this reserve line. We have

1:38:35some outstanding liabilities of 2.9 in

1:38:38there as well. And then the only item

1:38:40really on here that's still an estimate

1:38:42is the estimated reserve balance for

1:38:44some um non-spendable type items that

1:38:47are included in fund balance like

1:38:49inventory and prepaids. And so right now

1:38:52we're still going through the process of

1:38:54um reconciling those and booking those.

1:38:57Typically they're around $1.5 million.

1:38:59So that's the estimate I have on here to

1:39:01get to this difference. So this is

1:39:03pretty much where we're going to end the

1:39:04year. I don't see any changes from that.

1:39:06If we have changes, I will just talk

1:39:08about the changes at the next meeting.

1:39:10So good news is is we don't have really

1:39:13impact from last year that's going to

1:39:15impact this year. So now we can really

1:39:17start focusing on this current year and

1:39:19then building the budget for next year.

1:39:23So next month I'll bring forward, you

1:39:26know, any updates from last year, the

1:39:28close out if there are any changes from

1:39:29what I just showed you. We'll talk about

1:39:31the first quarter results because we're

1:39:33at that point already. We'll have July,

1:39:34August, and September results for the

1:39:36current year because how we're trending

1:39:39in the current year is going to impact

1:39:41how we start building the budget for

1:39:42next year. So, I'm going to stop right

1:39:44here and answer any questions if there

1:39:46are any questions.

1:39:51>> Thank you so much, Miss Van Beern. Thank

1:39:53you for the update. I I suppose I'll say

1:39:55two things. one is your team continues

1:39:57to be kind of laser focused on making

1:40:00the small adjustments and also um

1:40:02tracking the what I'll call outside

1:40:05economic indicators that are making

1:40:06these um things a reality for us. So I

1:40:09appreciate that because um we rely so

1:40:11heavily upon you to help us understand

1:40:14what's happening each in each of the

1:40:15areas where you did and it helped that

1:40:18the slides kind of explain differences

1:40:20between budget to actual but also um I I

1:40:23sort of wanted to ask two questions. one

1:40:25was like a trend line and I I know that

1:40:28that wasn't maybe what this was um about

1:40:30but it sort of behooves us to understand

1:40:33are we kind of just flat and we're just

1:40:35kind of staying in the same um space um

1:40:38because I'm not seeing lots of national

1:40:41movement in the economy and it does seem

1:40:43to be a sort of just a a status quo type

1:40:46thing which means that your original

1:40:48budget forecasting when you did it like

1:40:50we'll call it 18 months ago was correct

1:40:54it was on track because there aren't

1:40:56gigantic swings or variances. So, can

1:40:58you speak to that a little bit and then

1:41:00I have sort of a second follow-up

1:41:01question.

1:41:01>> Sure, absolutely. You know, we look to a

1:41:03lot of factors. We look nationwide. We

1:41:06look to the local economy. We look

1:41:07statewide. We look at a lot of things.

1:41:09Um, you see a lot of different

1:41:11iterations through the budget cycle

1:41:13itself, through the workshop where we're

1:41:14working through what that going to look

1:41:16like for the future. And we make

1:41:18adjustments during the year as well um

1:41:20for some of that too. And so the biggest

1:41:23piece of adjustments that we can do are

1:41:25hold positions open, which we've talked

1:41:27about. Um dialing back on expenditures

1:41:29when we see things are maybe looking a

1:41:31little different. And some of those

1:41:33things we do during the year. And so um

1:41:37it it has been a challenge. I do think

1:41:40economically the outlook is is pretty

1:41:42good. As we continue to move forward,

1:41:44we're going to see some steady growth

1:41:45from what we're seeing. um seeing a lot

1:41:48of strong consumer spending which for us

1:41:50means, you know, sales tax and things.

1:41:53So, I think that's on the upward trend.

1:41:55Challenging still for us are franchise

1:41:58fees. Um we continue to see kind of

1:42:00declining year-over-year results for

1:42:02franchise fees. You'll see some of that

1:42:04as I start to come forward with that as

1:42:06we look to build out the budget. That's

1:42:08a large piece of our budget about I

1:42:10think it's around 10% or a little bit

1:42:12more of the general fund budget. And as

1:42:16we continue to see some of those big

1:42:18revenue sources decline while others

1:42:20going up, you know, there's challenges

1:42:22in different areas and that's really

1:42:24what we're trying to address.

1:42:25>> Well, if I may, um, Madame Mayor, I sort

1:42:28of have a response to that and I I I

1:42:30wanted to be put a fine point on it like

1:42:33with franchise fees for example. Um, I

1:42:35think that there was this issue last

1:42:38year where it's like we're praying for a

1:42:40cold winter, right? because then the

1:42:42franchise fees go up and I see all this

1:42:45evidence that suggests maybe we're about

1:42:46to have an El Nino effect that creates

1:42:48all these things. I suppose what I want

1:42:50is a budget that is sort of resistant to

1:42:53some of those things like I don't want

1:42:54to build a budget that's based on

1:42:55whether we have a cold or hot winter

1:42:57weather. So I think you've helped us to

1:42:59move into a more sustainable place. I we

1:43:03can't change the fact that some people

1:43:04don't have house phone lines anymore,

1:43:06right? that is gone and that maybe

1:43:08they're not dialing into Netflix or

1:43:10whatever the various uh ways we are

1:43:12doing franchise fees for those things.

1:43:14So I think what we can control we are.

1:43:16Uh my second question was really and

1:43:18I'll just allow you the opportunity to

1:43:20speak to it is it's like this concept

1:43:21that I keep hearing when people say we

1:43:24need to have a forensic audit of some

1:43:26kind of area of the budget like can you

1:43:29sort of broadly discuss this quandry

1:43:32that I get when constituents ask me well

1:43:34why aren't we doing an audit and what I

1:43:36say is we do audits all the time and we

1:43:38have an outside independent auditor and

1:43:40we also can hire specific auditing

1:43:42things but like I understand a forensic

1:43:44audit to be if you have evidence

1:43:46evidence of some uh malfeasant or

1:43:49something happens and a forensic auditor

1:43:51comes in to show you how to trace back

1:43:53that thing and then build the um

1:43:56consistent way to make sure you're

1:43:57avoiding that. Right? We don't have

1:43:59those kind of things. But our audits all

1:44:02are designed to make sure that we're

1:44:04accounting for everything and we put all

1:44:06of our checks and every payment we make

1:44:08online. So it's like I don't know what

1:44:10it is where someone keeps saying we need

1:44:12a forensic audit. We need a forensic

1:44:14audit. That doesn't make a lot of sense

1:44:15to me. Can you help me to answer that

1:44:17question when the question comes to me?

1:44:19>> Sure. Absolutely. I think you answered

1:44:21it wonderfully there. I mean that's

1:44:23exactly correct. We are audited every

1:44:25single year by an outside audit firm. We

1:44:28bring that forward in December to you

1:44:29with our audited financials. They do

1:44:32testing in areas although it's not a

1:44:35forensic audit like you mentioned. A

1:44:36forensic audit meaning you think

1:44:38something's wrong in a particular area

1:44:39where they come in and dive in. This is

1:44:42an overall audit where they do testing

1:44:44overall. they test um the controls that

1:44:46we have on funding, the controls that we

1:44:48have like in place for infrastructure IT

1:44:51wise, who has access to things. So, it's

1:44:54the overall general audit um and they

1:44:57make a conclusion based on what they've

1:45:00examined and whether everything is uh

1:45:03they've seen anything that's out of line

1:45:05or if they've seen um any material

1:45:07differences from what was reported and

1:45:09and such. And so, we do that every year.

1:45:13um that's part of our process. I don't

1:45:15think there's a need for a forensic

1:45:17audit because I'm not aware of anything

1:45:19like that and that is a different area.

1:45:21Okay.

1:45:22>> So, I think maybe there's just some

1:45:23confusion

1:45:24>> about what it is

1:45:24>> about what it is.

1:45:26>> Makes sense.

1:45:27>> Well, and and we have the financial

1:45:28advisory board, right? Which is kind of

1:45:31another layer of protection. Uh I served

1:45:34as the liaison for that board in the

1:45:35first four or five years that I was on

1:45:37council. And those are all people with

1:45:38some financial background who are

1:45:41themselves kind of looking over your

1:45:43shoulder and looking over your staff's

1:45:46shoulder. So, it's like there's all

1:45:47these layers that I think that folks who

1:45:49maybe aren't as used to local government

1:45:51don't particularly understand, but it

1:45:53sounds catchy, right? It sounds

1:45:55interesting to say a forensic audit is

1:45:57needed. We're all about transparency. I

1:45:59think your staff has allowed us to be

1:46:01transparent in a way that is

1:46:03transformative. At the end of the day,

1:46:05what we're all trying to make sure is

1:46:06that the dollars are going where they're

1:46:08supposed to, that we're wise stewards of

1:46:10the dollars we have, and that we are

1:46:12making sure that we meet our obligations

1:46:14to provide public safety. So, thank you

1:46:17for that.

1:46:17>> Absolutely. Thank you.

1:46:21>> All right. Go ahead.

1:46:23>> Thank you. Uh Vicki, I'm wondering if

1:46:24you can go to slide five, please.

1:46:27I'm just curious if there's anything

1:46:29that we need to be looking at for once

1:46:32we close this out for the next year

1:46:34preparation. So, it looks like we're 3%

1:46:37higher in salaries and benefits and 3%

1:46:40higher in services and supplies, which

1:46:42is about, I don't know, $2.3 million

1:46:44moving forward. Is there anything that

1:46:46you're looking at to adjust that or

1:46:49because we've done some reductions um

1:46:51with the riffs and with supplies? So,

1:46:53I'm looking for direction from you or

1:46:55recommendations for planning the next

1:46:57budget.

1:46:58>> Thank you for that question. Um this

1:47:00slide is actually comparing actuals to

1:47:03our estimates during the year. It

1:47:04doesn't have the budget on here. These

1:47:06are well under budget. If I had the

1:47:08budget column on here, I don't provide

1:47:11that. you usually at this point I can um

1:47:14because it gets a little confusing for

1:47:16people to compare budget to where we

1:47:18estimate to where it actually came in.

1:47:21>> That's kind of the piece missing well

1:47:23under budget on these slides. Um the

1:47:26reason these are the difference on here

1:47:28if I go back to this slide as I kind of

1:47:30mentioned a little bit that other column

1:47:33that's the plus 14% reimbursements for

1:47:36things that came after we prepared the

1:47:38budget and went through that process.

1:47:40So, it's kind of a wash. We got a

1:47:42reimbursement for something that had an

1:47:43offsetting expense, which in effect is

1:47:46going to cause your expenses to be

1:47:48higher as well. So, we didn't catch it

1:47:51on the revenue side and we didn't catch

1:47:52it on an expense side because at the

1:47:54point we were doing the estimates to

1:47:55build the budget, we didn't have that

1:47:57information. So, really, it's a wash

1:47:59between them, but you'll see it kind of

1:48:01echoing on each side.

1:48:03>> So, it's accurate to say we're well

1:48:04within our budget of what we predicted

1:48:06in salaries and services.

1:48:08>> Yes. Okay, perfect. Thank you.

1:48:15Hi, Madame May. Sorry, Madame Mayor. Is

1:48:18it okay if I go? Okay. Um,

1:48:23>> okay. Thank you for this update. Um, I'm

1:48:26just very impressed with every update

1:48:29that you've given me. I understand where

1:48:31the money originates. I understand where

1:48:34it moves around. I understand how it

1:48:36gets spent. I understand how we get it

1:48:37reimbursed. And I'm so impressed with

1:48:39your and your team's ability to pay

1:48:42attention and forecast based on all the

1:48:45um the different variables that council

1:48:47member Reese was was mentioning before.

1:48:49So, thank you for pointing that out. One

1:48:51question that I had when I came on two

1:48:53years ago, the big storm cloud that was

1:48:56over our head was the PERS adjustment

1:48:58that we had just received the news for.

1:49:01When does that board meet again? And are

1:49:03we preparing for as big of an adjustment

1:49:06this time or how how are we feeling

1:49:09about that?

1:49:11>> You know, PERS has had um significant

1:49:14earnings over the, you know, because

1:49:16we've seen significant earnings on our

1:49:17money that we have invested right now.

1:49:20We are hoping you know if there is an

1:49:22increase it's very small um or no

1:49:25increase at this point but they meet I I

1:49:28believe later in October we will have

1:49:31the results of that I don't know if they

1:49:33meet I'm not sure if they meet September

1:49:36I'm not sure maybe Jackie knows but they

1:49:39meet they meet sometime around now we

1:49:41get the results of it toward the end of

1:49:43October we'll know what's going on and

1:49:45they'll issue a memo that we don't

1:49:47generally get until November in in the

1:49:50actual written form. So soon we will

1:49:53know what that is but we are are we are

1:49:55hopeful that it will be very small maybe

1:49:58even zero.

1:49:59>> Okay.

1:50:00>> So

1:50:00>> great. Thank you.

1:50:05>> Council member Eert. Do you have any

1:50:07questions or comments?

1:50:17>> Okay. Does anybody else on the dies have

1:50:19any anything else? Yeah.

1:50:21>> Okay.

1:50:22>> You want to proceed? Yeah.

1:50:23>> Thank you. I'm going to move on to the

1:50:25special topic this month and this is the

1:50:27risk fund. This is an internal service

1:50:30fund similar to the others that we

1:50:32discussed. We discussed the medical fund

1:50:34and the fleet fund. This is um the next

1:50:36one I'm going to discuss. We have four

1:50:38of them. So, next month will be workers

1:50:40comp uh risk workers comp internal

1:50:43service fund. This is the risk fund. So

1:50:46as we talk about the risk internal

1:50:48service fund, it's a separate accounting

1:50:50fund again kind of like a checkbook and

1:50:52we use this to manage claims and risk

1:50:54related expenses related to liabilities

1:50:57and property damage. It allows us to

1:50:59centralize those costs and manage them

1:51:01across the organization.

1:51:04So really how does it work? Similar to

1:51:06what we've talked about with the other

1:51:08ones, um the money is collected for

1:51:11riskrelated liabilities. So we charge

1:51:13out to each department a allocation that

1:51:17each department pays based on factors

1:51:19such as historical claims, history, um

1:51:23staffing levels, property values, risk

1:51:25levels. Um in this case, this one's

1:51:28different from the fleet fund where if

1:51:31you remember, I mentioned if you have a

1:51:32vehicle, you pay into it. This fund is

1:51:35different in that everybody pays into

1:51:37it. Every department pays into it

1:51:39because everyone has riskrelated items

1:51:41whether we you need them now or not.

1:51:44It's that ready service to have it

1:51:46ready. Even for finance, we may need

1:51:48riskrelated items at some point. Um and

1:51:51so every department pays into it. We pay

1:51:54for riskrelated expenses out of here. I

1:51:56have the next slide will kind of explain

1:51:58those. And then there's also a reserve

1:51:59in there for future losses. Because this

1:52:02is self-funded, we have to make sure

1:52:04that we are funded at a level that's

1:52:06comfortable to know that we can manage

1:52:09fluctuations in claims year-over-year

1:52:11and you can also weather the storm in

1:52:13case there's a large claim that is

1:52:15unanticipated during the year.

1:52:19So really, what does it pay for? The

1:52:21risk fund uh pays for liability claims.

1:52:24These are settlements that you see come

1:52:26forward. Um, so those would be the

1:52:29liability claims. Legal expenses. There

1:52:31are occasions where uh legal does go out

1:52:34and um get outside legal counsel for

1:52:36certain things, but it's very rare. Um,

1:52:40insurance premiums. Uh, this includes

1:52:43the uh property insurance that's in here

1:52:46and then the excess liability insurance

1:52:49as well.

1:52:50If we have um losses related to

1:52:53property, we can pay for property losses

1:52:55out of here and pay for any deductibles

1:52:58that kick in prior to the insurance

1:53:00kicking in. And then we have staffing

1:53:02and other costs in here as well. So

1:53:04staffing is going to be city attorney's

1:53:06office. They're dedicated attorneys that

1:53:07work on these liability type issues or

1:53:10property issues. And then um staffing in

1:53:13the risk department itself, which is

1:53:14under HR. We have a risk manager and

1:53:17some staff that work directly on this.

1:53:19Um and then obviously indirect costs for

1:53:21like my time, my team's time and people

1:53:24who still have to manage these funds as

1:53:26well.

1:53:28So why do we do it this way? Why why do

1:53:30we do a risk internal service fund?

1:53:32Well, it it centralizes the cost of the

1:53:35risk so that we can track them

1:53:36independent of everything else. It

1:53:38really provides the transparency of how

1:53:40much this is costing. Um it encourages

1:53:43risk management because you can see how

1:53:45much things cost. you have greater

1:53:46control over the claims, those

1:53:48settlements as they come forward,

1:53:50deciding um what your policy direction

1:53:52is on those as they come forward. We can

1:53:55look at insurance costs to change

1:53:57premiums to change to get the premiums

1:54:00reduced some by changing deductibles or

1:54:02increasing deductibles. You have a lot

1:54:04of flexibility as far as um managing the

1:54:08insurance itself and what level you want

1:54:10it set at. meaning that um how much self

1:54:14insurance you want risk you want to take

1:54:16versus insurance risk kind of managing

1:54:18that maintain reserves for future years.

1:54:22We also earn interest on that and then

1:54:25um it really helps in the planning

1:54:27because we look at this quite often and

1:54:29we plan in the future to maintain that

1:54:31cash balance. That's really what guides

1:54:34us from the financial side of it is

1:54:36making sure that we have the cash

1:54:37balance on hand. So when you look at it,

1:54:40um this is a history of it. So I have

1:54:42five years history on here plus the

1:54:44current year budget.

1:54:46And so I I split the expenditures just

1:54:49between three types. So those are the

1:54:51bars that you see on here. The gold bars

1:54:53are the claims. So those are going to be

1:54:55your settlements.

1:54:57The blue bar, that's your insurance. And

1:55:00then the gray bar, that's staffing and

1:55:01any other costs that are just kind of

1:55:04grouped there because I wanted to keep

1:55:05it kind of concise. So you can kind of

1:55:08see claims. We did have a large claim in

1:55:10fiscal year 23 and that one was

1:55:11unanticipated at the time. So that's an

1:55:14example of an area where we will have

1:55:16unanticipated risk at certain times that

1:55:19you can't anticipate everything in this

1:55:21space. For the most part claims stay

1:55:23pretty relatively low between um around

1:55:26a million dollars maybe a little bit

1:55:28more than that. Um insurance does is a

1:55:31significant cost in here, but this is a

1:55:33property insurance and that excess

1:55:34liability cost. In fiscal year 24 uh and

1:55:40well starting in fiscal year 23,

1:55:43uh our broker was notifying us that they

1:55:45were seeing a lot of insurance cost

1:55:47increases in this area. And so we really

1:55:50ramped up to be able to cover the cost

1:55:52of the insurance because at that time

1:55:54what we were hearing and anticipating

1:55:56was that the insurance coverage was

1:55:57going to double as far as cost and a lot

1:56:00of that was related to nationwide. You

1:56:03know fire issues, flood issues, a lot of

1:56:05things going on nationwide impact our

1:56:08insurance cost here. It's not

1:56:10necessarily something we can control,

1:56:12but that was what they were seeing. Over

1:56:15the next two years, what we saw was yes,

1:56:18costs went up because we went from about

1:56:20$2 and a half million dollars in

1:56:21insurance to about 3.3 million around

1:56:24that. So, yes, insurance costs went up,

1:56:27but they didn't double. And so, we

1:56:30really ramped up for that. The reason

1:56:32I'm mentioning this is you can see the

1:56:34the blue bar, I'm sorry, the blue line

1:56:37that you see on there, that blue line

1:56:40shows you the cash balance in this fund.

1:56:42And so you see that cash balance really

1:56:45going up because we increased what we

1:56:47were charging out to the departments in

1:56:49anticipating that the insurance costs

1:56:51were going to be more. Since that we've

1:56:53seen that level off for a couple of

1:56:55years, we think that's going to be um

1:56:58more in line with what the costs we have

1:57:00until we get, you know, further

1:57:01information. And so for the current year

1:57:04budget, that one on the end, fiscal year

1:57:0627, we did dial back what we're charging

1:57:08the departments in order to reduce the

1:57:10cash balance. So, we want to maintain

1:57:12that cash balance around $6 to $8

1:57:15million. And so, in fiscal year 24, we

1:57:18were at that $6 million mark. As we

1:57:21ramped up for insurance costs to go up,

1:57:23obviously our cash balance went up

1:57:25because it wasn't what we anticipated.

1:57:27So, we managed this fund to bring that

1:57:29cash balance back down to that 6 to8

1:57:31million mark um to maintain that

1:57:35coverage for any future claims, anything

1:57:37that could come up during the year. So,

1:57:39that's my presentation on this. Um, and

1:57:42I'm happy to answer questions. This item

1:57:44doesn't have a a motion to it. It's just

1:57:47for discussion. So, I'm happy to answer

1:57:48questions.

1:57:51>> Council member,

1:57:52>> thank you so much, Miss Van Beern. I

1:57:54wanted to ask about

1:57:56um pending claims, right? So, um tell us

1:58:00what buckets those fall into. Those are

1:58:02pending claims as it relates to

1:58:05insurance claims for medical. its claims

1:58:09about buildings need to be its lawsuits.

1:58:12What what are we talking about in the

1:58:14global sense?

1:58:16>> Anything pending that the city

1:58:18attorney's office is currently working

1:58:20on that's a liability, a loss to the

1:58:22city would be a pending claim here. We

1:58:24do an actuarial study that we outsource

1:58:27each year to see what the pending claims

1:58:30are, a history of kind of what that

1:58:33looked like and then they give us an

1:58:35estimate of what they think our

1:58:37liability is in the future on ones that

1:58:39are currently outstanding. Um, we're

1:58:42currently in the process of doing that

1:58:44for this last fiscal year 26. We'll use

1:58:47that number to book as we move forward.

1:58:50um that should be done I want to say

1:58:52this month but the one that we have for

1:58:53fiscal year 25 which was the 27 budget

1:58:56was based on that was $4 million was the

1:58:59estimate. So you want to have at least

1:59:02we we have to have at least a cash

1:59:04balance to cover the estimate of the act

1:59:06rail of what we anticipate to still be

1:59:08pending and coming forward

1:59:11plus an additional buffer in case there

1:59:13are ones that pop up that we are not

1:59:15aware of. Well, and to be clear, I'm

1:59:17sort of trying to highlight a point,

1:59:19right? The risk fund is to pay out

1:59:22claims when they arise in terms of

1:59:24settlement or judgments against the city

1:59:27that arise from litigation against the

1:59:29city. It's not for uh workers comp

1:59:32claims that might exceed some issue.

1:59:34Right. It's just lawsuits and potential

1:59:38judgments against the city. Correct.

1:59:39>> That is correct because workers comp is

1:59:41a separate

1:59:43is a separate fund and we'll talk about

1:59:44that next month. Yeah, totally

1:59:46understand. So, I guess what is missing

1:59:48for me then is I have to marry up both

1:59:50the risks history and its projected

1:59:53budget with known existing claims. Um,

1:59:56not in a vacuum. I I'm just saying I

1:59:58can't in a vacuum fully comprehend or

2:00:01appreciate the importance of the slide

2:00:03deck unless I know that it is supported.

2:00:05And look, I I make no claim that I know

2:00:08how many of them are threatened or

2:00:10pending litigation. We get great updates

2:00:12from uh legal counsel. Um, but maybe in

2:00:15order for me to really have a full

2:00:17picture of the importance of this fund

2:00:19and why we fund it and why you spread

2:00:21the risk around, so to speak, I have to

2:00:24marry that with what happens on the

2:00:25legal side. So, um, what I would say is

2:00:28maybe that's the next thing is that, uh,

2:00:31we'll look to our, uh, city attorney's

2:00:33office to get an update about what our

2:00:35pending claims are.

2:00:37>> Yes, absolutely. Thank you.

2:00:38>> Thank you so much.

2:00:43Council member Taylor,

2:00:45>> I have a quick question. Um, we also

2:00:46have a contingency plan or a contingency

2:00:48fund. So, why would we not just have a

2:00:52risk fund or a contingency fund? I

2:00:54understand what it goes into the risk

2:00:55fund. Is the contingency just an added

2:00:58layer of protection in case something

2:01:00pops up that isn't something within the

2:01:03risk fund?

2:01:05>> I guess I'm thinking um are you talking

2:01:07about the uh

2:01:08>> we use like a million dollars I think

2:01:10that we keep in our contingency. We

2:01:12currently do not have that. That was cut

2:01:14during the budget process in the last

2:01:15two sessions. So, we did get rid of

2:01:17that.

2:01:17>> So, we don't have that. We do have a

2:01:19stabilization fund, but that's only for

2:01:21national disasters or um in the event

2:01:25that revenues decline in a way that uh

2:01:295% decline two years in a row, which we

2:01:31didn't even hit during the recession.

2:01:33So, it's very limited use only to those

2:01:36two.

2:01:37>> Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

2:01:39Council

2:01:40member Eert, do you have any comments or

2:01:42questions?

2:01:46>> No, no questions at this time. Thank

2:01:48you.

2:01:49>> Yeah, of course. I don't have anything

2:01:51for you, Vicki. I don't see any of the

2:01:53lights on. So,

2:01:53>> okay.

2:01:54>> I think we're good to go. Thank you so

2:01:55much.

2:01:55>> Thank you so much.

2:02:00>> So, with that, we'll move on to item C2.

2:02:03I believe this is director Ulat coming

2:02:06up to talk to us about the

2:02:08parks recreation open space master plan.

2:02:11>> Yes, thank you. Nathan Elliott, parks

2:02:13and recreation director for the record.

2:02:16Um here today to do what is one of the

2:02:18objectives in our parks, recreation and

2:02:21open space master plan that um this body

2:02:23approved in uh November of 2023, which

2:02:27is to give youall an update of what's

2:02:28been going on. Uh it's not just sitting

2:02:30on the shelf. staff are working very

2:02:32hard to to move some of these uh

2:02:34objectives forward even to a point where

2:02:37the answer might be no in some cases or

2:02:39not now. So um our alignment um as you

2:02:42can imagine parks touch a lot of

2:02:44different areas in our city in a lot of

2:02:45different ways. Quality of life, access

2:02:47to natural spaces of course tons of

2:02:49infrastructure are included in our parks

2:02:51and systems. Uh it helps provide a safe

2:02:53community. Uh there's some legal

2:02:55obligations in there as well. And then

2:02:57also um one of the things we're going to

2:02:58really talk about is how fiscal

2:03:00stewardship and financial sustainability

2:03:02have become a part of our of our um DNA

2:03:05as we operate our parks and recck

2:03:07system. Uh so just some quick background

2:03:10um this again was adopted in November of

2:03:122023. Um there is a uh probably 50page

2:03:17implementation section of this 300page

2:03:20document that give us steps both in

2:03:22short-term, midterm, long-term to take

2:03:24to improve our system as we look at an

2:03:27update every five years to to the plan.

2:03:29So um that's what we're here today is to

2:03:32give you an update from the last year.

2:03:33We came last year a little bit closer to

2:03:36uh I think September. Um, but with that,

2:03:38we submitted a a rather lengthy memo,

2:03:41about an 18page memo um on August 18th

2:03:44to council that has a lot more

2:03:46information than I'm going to present

2:03:48today, but wanted to hit some of the

2:03:49high points from what we've been working

2:03:50on over the last year and moving

2:03:52forward. So,

2:03:54um here are just a reminder of some of

2:03:57the um overarching goals. There's the 10

2:03:59sections of the implementation plan you

2:04:01can see there that talk about financial

2:04:04financial aspects um creating a

2:04:06sustainable budget. Um the priorities of

2:04:08the Truckucky River, economic

2:04:10development connection, active

2:04:11stewardship of our natural resources,

2:04:13etc. So, uh a lot of our goals and all

2:04:15of our goals and objectives are are

2:04:17underneath this umbrella. So, as we go

2:04:19through, you'll see that. So, as a part

2:04:21of section one, um a few years ago, uh

2:04:24this body approved a position for fund

2:04:26development. Um Landon Miller is our

2:04:28fund development manager. Um so to give

2:04:30you an update of this nonoperational

2:04:32revenue that he's been generating over

2:04:34the last uh two years uh in FY25 471,000

2:04:39and then in this last year 448,000 you

2:04:41approved two items uh over the last uh

2:04:44two meetings that were another 75,000.

2:04:47So he's really connecting um the

2:04:49community from a um an organizational

2:04:52nonprofit standpoint and then also from

2:04:54a business perspective and folks who

2:04:56really want to give in get involved in

2:04:57what our parks and recreation system

2:04:58offers our community. So in the bottom

2:05:01two on each of those columns is our cost

2:05:03recovery. So we're tracking um our

2:05:05expenses versus our revenues and how

2:05:08much money do we bring back in

2:05:09operationally to offset what comes out

2:05:11of the general fund. So the national

2:05:13average is somewhere around 25 to 30%.

2:05:16Um, last year we were at 37.6% and this

2:05:19year we went up another almost 3%.

2:05:21Which, um, again is including programs

2:05:23that have no recovery model, uh, things

2:05:26like the park rangers, things like, uh,

2:05:28park maintenance, um, rolling recreation

2:05:31that don't have a fee that we charge

2:05:33people to utilize them or to provide

2:05:35that service. Um, so that we wanted to

2:05:37tie that closely to what Landon's doing

2:05:39in the fund development section where

2:05:41the way that we expand and we offer

2:05:43those programs is through partnership

2:05:45with the community, grants, donations,

2:05:48and sponsorships.

2:05:51Uh, another one of those goals is how do

2:05:53we create a dedicated funding um,

2:05:56opportunity for our parks? And um I

2:05:58believe you're all well aware we're

2:06:00working through a park district service

2:06:01plan along with the county city of

2:06:03Sparks uh the Sun Valley General

2:06:05Improvement District um that will uh

2:06:08give this body along with the other

2:06:09elected bodies the opportunity to create

2:06:11a park district which would create um

2:06:13the opportunity for further development

2:06:15of dedicated funds that the public would

2:06:17have a voice in saying I want to support

2:06:19our parks. I want to I want to fund it

2:06:20through assessments, tax, things like

2:06:23that. So, that uh should be coming to a

2:06:26decision point in early 2027. You'll be

2:06:28getting reached out to very shortly

2:06:29about uh one-on-one updates uh to offer

2:06:32to to review the um what is the

2:06:36framework for how it would work and what

2:06:37would go into it. Um what type of funds

2:06:39it would help develop and what kind of

2:06:41improvements it would make. So, you

2:06:42should see uh those get on your calendar

2:06:44here in the next uh three to four weeks.

2:06:48Um, a big step that uh we made as a part

2:06:50of the last budget process was um

2:06:53adopting a fee schedule that introduced

2:06:54an asset replacement fee uh that would

2:06:57uh be a part of the people who use our

2:06:59facilities, our parks, our spaces. Um

2:07:01they use it at a level that's uh greater

2:07:04a greater impact than people who don't.

2:07:05If you never come swim um paying the

2:07:08same level of of general fund taxes uh

2:07:11for for me doesn't make sense. If I

2:07:13swim, I should have a greater investment

2:07:15in that space. So that's why we charge

2:07:16fees in general, but those fees

2:07:18typically go directly into the general

2:07:20fund, which is helping offset our

2:07:22general fund impact. Um, but this year

2:07:24we added a 5% um part of that fee will

2:07:28now go into an asset replacement fund to

2:07:30uh help make sure we have dedicated

2:07:32funds to replace those things that were

2:07:34impacted through users. So I don't know

2:07:37if that makes sense, but 5% of a fee you

2:07:39already pay. Okay. So, if you pay $10 to

2:07:40come into Moana Pool, uh 5% of that each

2:07:44time you come in will go into a separate

2:07:45fund to help replace diving boards and

2:07:47fitness equipment and things like that.

2:07:52Uh so, we've uh been working with Wo

2:07:54County on realigning um some of our

2:07:56property lines and exchanging

2:07:58properties. One of those things is

2:07:59Horseman's Park, which has a very

2:08:01interesting um set of lines for what's

2:08:04the counties and what's the cities. and

2:08:06we're working together to try to um one

2:08:09of the lines goes right through the

2:08:10middle of our fire station and half of

2:08:12the fire station is on county property

2:08:13and half of it's on city property. So,

2:08:15we're cleaning that up and at the end of

2:08:17it we'll have uh all of Horseman's Park

2:08:19will officially be a part of the city

2:08:21instead of right now portions of it are

2:08:22leased to the city. Um and that just

2:08:25makes it easier for us to to understand

2:08:27what the improvement responsibilities

2:08:28are and things like that. It's a

2:08:29beautiful space, unbelievable views of

2:08:31the city. Um, but that's that's just an

2:08:33example of where we're working with the

2:08:35county to to make sure if a property is

2:08:37adjacent to theirs and it's open space

2:08:39and it has a trail on it and it's in

2:08:41between two of their properties, why not

2:08:42have that be a part of the county's

2:08:44property and not be an expense of ours.

2:08:46So, uh, back and forth on that.

2:08:50Uh, one of the things that uh, we can do

2:08:52as we as we look for greater

2:08:53opportunities with the park district to

2:08:55improve our maintenance and operations

2:08:56is is um improving our signage, our

2:08:59communication, updating that. Um, we've

2:09:01had some some older signs as you see in

2:09:03the top top right there with our park

2:09:06hours that are white and easy to

2:09:07overlook and we've started to update

2:09:08that with the help of uh Natalie and the

2:09:10comm's team. Some designs that let's

2:09:12keep it relatively simple instead of

2:09:14having 35 rules that nobody stops to

2:09:17read. What are the five big things that

2:09:18people usually do in our parks that, you

2:09:21know, cause it to be a worse spot for

2:09:22everybody? Um, so th those signs are

2:09:26starting to go into our park spaces and

2:09:27our plaza spaces now. Um, and that's

2:09:30that's just a small way we can start

2:09:31making uh improvements that people can

2:09:33notice and see and and hopefully start

2:09:35responding to um more consistently with

2:09:38what's what's expected of them.

2:09:41Uh, one of the things that uh I am super

2:09:43proud of our team and this body should

2:09:44be super proud of is the um massive

2:09:47increase in swim lessons over the last

2:09:49two years. Obviously with Moana pool

2:09:51opening um for me this is the most

2:09:53critical service that we provide or

2:09:55program that we provide. We have lakes,

2:09:56rivers, and all of these spaces that our

2:09:58kids and our families should have access

2:10:00to and feel as safe as possible in. Um,

2:10:03so over the last two years, we've more

2:10:04than doubled our swim lessons, and even

2:10:07over last year, it's gone up another 800

2:10:09from from where it was in FY25. So, our

2:10:11swim lessons are going up. Um, people

2:10:14are getting better access to them. I

2:10:16know you all in different ways have made

2:10:17efforts in this space and uh, so thank

2:10:19you for that. I think it's one of the

2:10:20most important things we do and we

2:10:22should keep highlighting it. No one else

2:10:24can do it at the level that we do it as

2:10:26far as capacity and so it's just an

2:10:28important part of parks and recreation

2:10:29and government.

2:10:32Uh as a part of that to further expand

2:10:34access uh we started a city city of Reno

2:10:37Reno swims pilot program. We worked with

2:10:39uh Bernice Matthews to remove barriers

2:10:42for kids to who might not be able to get

2:10:44there with their parents. They might not

2:10:46understand um when the registration

2:10:48periods are and things like that. So, we

2:10:49said we're going to go to the school and

2:10:51after school we pick up kids. This was

2:10:53funded through a grant from the ACES

2:10:54that landed worked on and Danny Glech

2:10:57and the aquatics team along with our

2:10:59youth and after school program really

2:11:00worked together to create an opportunity

2:11:02that got uh 30 kids swim lessons and

2:11:05with a goal of by the end of this you

2:11:07have four lessons. By the end of this,

2:11:08if you fell in a pool, you'd be able to

2:11:10get out. And that's really the baseline

2:11:11to getting people comfortable in the

2:11:13water and providing safety and getting

2:11:14them into the other more extensive

2:11:16lessons that we have. So, we're hoping

2:11:18to expand this program. We're looking

2:11:19for uh further funding opportunity to do

2:11:21that. Um, but that's something we'd love

2:11:23to do as a part of the school day with

2:11:25Wo County School District and with some

2:11:26of our charter schools to make sure that

2:11:29um none of our kids have that barrier um

2:11:32to access to to cost or to time, which

2:11:35is another uh issue for parents.

2:11:38Uh one of the big goals that we've had

2:11:41uh since I've been here and and uh am

2:11:43very excited to see moving forward is um

2:11:46we are at review of 100% final design

2:11:50for Pemroke Flatfields. Um about a year

2:11:54ago Rysa

2:11:56um agreed to fund this project. Uh and

2:11:58so we're we're going to have a real

2:12:00cost. We're going to know what it costs

2:12:01to build it. We're going to know what

2:12:02the permitting is going to take. Um, and

2:12:04we will uh start a a very aggressive

2:12:06fundraising campaign to build flat

2:12:08fields at at Pemroke. So, uh, more to

2:12:11come on that, but there's been a lot of

2:12:12action over the last year and we're in

2:12:14the final review phases of um of those

2:12:17plans. So, very exciting.

2:12:21Okay. Uh, Steve does all the talking on

2:12:24this, but Art in the Park is going.

2:12:26Steve Steve White has uh been an awesome

2:12:29advocate for art and and in our parks

2:12:31and it's helped activate spaces. Um but

2:12:34that's going and so something again that

2:12:36coordinates with our master plan of

2:12:38offering more opportunities to activate

2:12:39parks and spaces um and and also support

2:12:44uh special events and and economic

2:12:46development. Art in a park has been

2:12:47going through this summer. We're looking

2:12:48to expand it as we go into the next

2:12:50spring and start involving high school

2:12:51students and our senior population from

2:12:54our facilities and the county facilities

2:12:56to to set up times where they can sell

2:12:57their art and display their work. So,

2:13:00good stuff happening there as well. Um,

2:13:02so that's that's some of the highlights

2:13:04there. Again, there's a very extensive

2:13:06uh memo that that you've received um

2:13:08that talk about the steps we've taken in

2:13:10all of these areas. Um, but any

2:13:13questions? Um, and also looking for any

2:13:15feedback about how you'd like to receive

2:13:16this presentation as we go forward. Plan

2:13:18on doing it every year. Love telling

2:13:20what the work that's getting done. Um,

2:13:22but want to make sure it's it's

2:13:24meaningful and helps uh helps you tell

2:13:26the story to the constituents.

2:13:27>> Thank you, Director Ol. Council Member

2:13:28Anderson.

2:13:29>> Yes, thank you. Um, I just wanted to

2:13:32talk about the swimming lessons and um,

2:13:34I I too think that is the most important

2:13:36thing that we have to offer the

2:13:39community and I'm glad that you you

2:13:41agree with that. What is the cost for a

2:13:44swim for a session of swim lessons these

2:13:46days?

2:13:46>> Yeah, it it it's it depends if you do a

2:13:48four or a six, but it's usually under

2:13:50$100, even if it's the the longer um

2:13:53piece. And then we're also this year

2:13:55offered uh discounts through our sliding

2:13:58scale program which we hope to continue

2:13:59expanding. We're putting in a an

2:14:01application that we hope will get funded

2:14:03that would allow us to get 40 and 60%

2:14:05off of that, but that revenue would be

2:14:08replaced through a grant. So, uh it's

2:14:10it's usually right at $100 or usually

2:14:12under.

2:14:12>> So, when you say $100 and you say four

2:14:14to six, you mean four to six sessions or

2:14:17>> So, you'd come to the pool four to six

2:14:18times as a part of level one and at the

2:14:20end of that there would be outcomes that

2:14:22that would be met as a part of that. So,

2:14:24>> okay. Do you find that you need

2:14:25scholarships for this is or do we have

2:14:28capacity for more swim lessons at Moana

2:14:31at this point?

2:14:32>> I think we're we're always full. Um I

2:14:35think we have some significant barriers

2:14:36with language and people understanding

2:14:39that registration starts at this day. I

2:14:41need to be online at this time. If I'm

2:14:43not I'm 15 minutes late, I'm on a

2:14:45waiting list. I think we have some

2:14:46significant barriers there. Um ability

2:14:49to pay is also a challenge, but we're

2:14:51working to meet that. It's but then it's

2:14:52also communicating that hey this

2:14:54opportunity is there for you and that's

2:14:56why I think the other part of that um

2:14:58presentation with us going to the

2:15:00schools helps us remove that barrier and

2:15:03then helps us connect with the parents

2:15:04directly to say hey don't stop here

2:15:07right get your kids in the next lesson

2:15:08the level ones the level twos um they're

2:15:11ready for these things and you can go

2:15:12right to the front desk now and so we're

2:15:13trying to meet and bridge those things

2:15:15too through that program so that um what

2:15:18sometimes is a generational thing where

2:15:20how how children learn and when they

2:15:22learn is is sort of addressed in that

2:15:24space. So there's a ton of needs still,

2:15:25but we're really happy with the steps

2:15:27we're taking.

2:15:28>> Okay. So I am Am I hearing you correctly

2:15:30though that it fills up every time?

2:15:32>> Every time.

2:15:33>> Okay. Um so capacity is an issue. What

2:15:36are some of the things that we could be

2:15:38doing to help you with the other um

2:15:40barriers that you were just discussing?

2:15:41Do you need funding for um I don't know

2:15:45more community outreach? what is what

2:15:47how can we help you with the language

2:15:48barriers and the access and timing to

2:15:52registration?

2:15:53>> Uh so I think that thank you for asking

2:15:55and uh some of the big things that that

2:15:57we need are people to teach and that can

2:16:00be seniors that can be stay-at-home

2:16:02parents that can be any who's just

2:16:03looking for a little um way to give back

2:16:06but then also to have a little extra

2:16:07income. And if we can get more of those,

2:16:09especially during the daytime hours, the

2:16:11predominantly we have high school and

2:16:13college students are our instructors and

2:16:15our lifeguards. And every year that is a

2:16:17part of what holds us back. So there is

2:16:19time during the middle of the day that

2:16:21we could utilize for swim lessons and

2:16:23they would likely fill as well. There's

2:16:24Saturdays and Sundays that we could

2:16:26utilize. Um but what holds us back is is

2:16:29people first. Um there's even before

2:16:32money and and financial challenges, um

2:16:35they would still fill up if we had more

2:16:37classes. So, it's not a money issue yet.

2:16:38Now, there are issues for people that

2:16:41are having financial issues, but it's

2:16:42not that's not the capacity issue. It's

2:16:45it's bodies in the water teaching kids

2:16:47and families how to swim.

2:16:48>> Okay. And what does it Sorry for my one

2:16:51extra question here. What does it take

2:16:52to be a swim instructor?

2:16:54>> We will teach you um and generally we

2:16:56will refund the initial cost. We want to

2:16:58make sure you complete your

2:16:59certification, but um first you get

2:17:01certified as a lifeguard and then you go

2:17:03through a water safety instructor with

2:17:04us on site at one of our pools and and

2:17:08then you're ready to go. Um so obviously

2:17:10the standard city background checks and

2:17:12all of those things, but city employee,

2:17:14lifeguard, then water safety instructor.

2:17:16>> Okay. Well, I think we need a community

2:17:17outreach campaign on this because this

2:17:20is one of the most fun jobs that any

2:17:22young person can possibly have. I was a

2:17:25lifeguard when for the city of Sparks

2:17:27growing up. It connects you with the

2:17:29community. It connect it teaches you how

2:17:31to, you know, really relate with kids.

2:17:33It teaches you how to build trust

2:17:36between a parent and a child. There

2:17:38there are so many people in the

2:17:39community that are coming in. So, how do

2:17:41we get out there? Let's let's brainstorm

2:17:43about this offline about how we can go

2:17:46out and start recruiting some

2:17:47lifeguards.

2:17:48>> Thank you. Thank you, Councilwoman

2:17:50Taylor.

2:17:51>> Thank you. So my question is about the

2:17:53service plan and the decision point in

2:17:552027. Can you remind me update what

2:17:58happens after that decision point and

2:18:00how we are getting closer to an actual

2:18:03>> district. Right. So um in January um

2:18:07late January early February we'll set a

2:18:09date as we uh get more comfortable as um

2:18:12as council gets more comfortable as

2:18:13staff get more comfortable. But that's

2:18:14the target point at this point. there

2:18:16will be a decision point on do we want

2:18:18to move forward with a framework that is

2:18:20presented that would create a regional

2:18:22or a Reno or whatever park district. So

2:18:26you'll see a framework in the next three

2:18:27months that will be a voting point to

2:18:29say yes, we want to move forward. Let's

2:18:31start an implementation plan which means

2:18:33how do all of the employees that

2:18:34currently work for the jurisdictions

2:18:36move into that space? What are the

2:18:38policies that would be adopted?

2:18:40Appointing uh board members that that's

2:18:42going to be a significant uh part of the

2:18:44process too. So

2:18:45>> So Nathan, can I jump ahead real quick

2:18:46and say how does this tie into our

2:18:50legislative platform and what we want to

2:18:52do there?

2:18:53>> Absolutely. Good question. um the BDR

2:18:55request that we brought before you a

2:18:56month and a half ago, I think. Um there

2:18:59is some language in the original 318A

2:19:02which governs the ability for us to set

2:19:04up a park district that would not allow

2:19:06what would be a key funding mechanism

2:19:08which would be a special assessment to

2:19:10be utilized for operations. Um it could

2:19:12be used for capital but not for

2:19:14operations. So the BDR is a relatively

2:19:17I say this cautiously but a relatively

2:19:19simple change in language to say um now

2:19:22that can be used as operational expenses

2:19:24as well which is what we need to be able

2:19:26to do

2:19:27>> which gives us the tool to get to the

2:19:29district.

2:19:30>> Yes. And gives the district the tool

2:19:31once we get there. Yes.

2:19:32>> Okay.

2:19:33>> Absolutely.

2:19:33>> Cool. Thank you.

2:19:34>> Thank you.

2:19:34>> Thank you council member.

2:19:36>> Thank you so much. Um, I thought Miss

2:19:38Taylor's comments were very instructive

2:19:40and that's really ultimately so I

2:19:42received the 18-page memo. It was very

2:19:45long and so um it was hard to navigate

2:19:49our role in it. Uh very comprehensive.

2:19:52Um it's just that um what in the end I

2:19:55think Miss Taylor's um point is and and

2:19:58I I think she'll agree with me is we're

2:20:00trying to find financial solutions for

2:20:03the part of the equation that we all

2:20:05accept as real which is that our parks

2:20:07are underfunded, right? And until our

2:20:10budget either adds additional revenue or

2:20:14we do something related to moving a fund

2:20:17out of the city's budget and into a

2:20:19joint agency which could be a

2:20:21consolidated fire agency or we develop

2:20:24new tools in the toolbox. We're always

2:20:26going to be robbing Peter to pay Paul in

2:20:28our most well I think it's one of our

2:20:30most important areas which is parks and

2:20:32recreation. For my part I believe that

2:20:35every great city has a robust parks and

2:20:37recreation department. It has all the

2:20:40kinds of things that you're talking

2:20:41about, pools, um, programming in those

2:20:44pools. You all are doing so much with so

2:20:46very little. And I think your very first

2:20:48slide that had to do with the, um, grant

2:20:51efforts that are happening with Mr.

2:20:53Miller's um, efforts really highlights

2:20:56that it's not a lack of political will

2:20:58towards a thing. It really is that we

2:21:00don't have the revenue to support the

2:21:02things that we know we want. And so I

2:21:04thought this is the most important thing

2:21:06is this question about what our

2:21:08legislative priorities will be. How will

2:21:10we make the park districts be a revenue

2:21:12or an engine for revenue generation so

2:21:15that we can build the parks that we

2:21:17think our community wants. So I suppose

2:21:19what I what I need is less 18 pages and

2:21:22like what are the ways in which what

2:21:25Miss Taylor is saying will come to pass

2:21:28um and we will not keep having to you

2:21:30know hold bake sales to fund parks,

2:21:32right? because that's what I don't think

2:21:34we want. We we want to spend an enormous

2:21:37amount on our parks and recreation,

2:21:39>> right? No. And that's and that's number

2:21:41one on there is the park district and

2:21:42that is an option that's been set up for

2:21:4412 years and we haven't walked down that

2:21:46path and we're doing it now. Um and we

2:21:49would love to do it faster, but it's a

2:21:50process and but that is that's the best

2:21:52opportunity we'll have to say very

2:21:54clearly that our parks matter and we

2:21:56need a new tool in the toolbox and the

2:21:58park district can be that. Um

2:22:00>> well and then all the things that we

2:22:02vision cast about like a pool in the

2:22:04northern part of Reno in the north

2:22:06valleys a pool maybe in the Debontani

2:22:08Ranch area completion of the bike track

2:22:11there in Sierra Vista that really could

2:22:13highlight that. I mean there are an

2:22:16endless number. Let me ask a very

2:22:17specific and granular question about the

2:22:19presentation. You had a slide that was

2:22:21about Horseman's Park and I want to make

2:22:24sure that and something that predates

2:22:26you but there is a privately owned

2:22:28property adjacent to the park. It's a

2:22:30residence, a person who's lived there

2:22:32for many years and their property line

2:22:35somehow it's a very oddly shaped parcel

2:22:38that is impacted by the fact that the

2:22:40city and the county have strange mapping

2:22:43up there and they cannot exit from their

2:22:46their home. They've sort of built a

2:22:48mother-in-law's quarters down below and

2:22:50it has a driveway that comes off, but

2:22:53the driveway goes to a gate that they

2:22:54cannot functionally use because it would

2:22:56be exiting onto some parkland. So,

2:22:59whatever you're doing here, I want to

2:23:01make sure that your office pulls those

2:23:03historical records and works with the

2:23:04city manager's office. I flagged this

2:23:07issue maybe four or five years ago when

2:23:09it arose the first time, and I just

2:23:11don't know that it's ever been resolved.

2:23:12There is basically a home adjacent to

2:23:14Horseman's Park that is locked out of

2:23:18full utilization of the lower portion of

2:23:20their property because it cannot exit

2:23:22into land that is apparently um either

2:23:25we've got to have an easement or we've

2:23:26got to have some use agreement or

2:23:28something has to happen there. And

2:23:30again, I apologize for springing on you,

2:23:31but you bring up this issue about

2:23:33boundary line adjustments and I would

2:23:35hate to miss the opportunity to do the

2:23:36right thing by this adjacent property

2:23:38owner.

2:23:38>> Okay. Yeah, I'm not 100% familiar, but

2:23:40I'll look into it. I wouldn't expect it

2:23:42to be. This is very granular. Thank you

2:23:44so much, Council Member Doer.

2:23:46>> Yeah, thank you. Um, well, I was excited

2:23:48to hear you mention Pemroke earlier, and

2:23:51I know we're going to have a meeting

2:23:52later, but I wondered if you could just

2:23:54highlight what you're thinking, what

2:23:57what what's happening.

2:23:58>> Sure. I mean, I it's been pretty clear

2:24:00to me that need plus opportunity is

2:24:03there for this property. Um, and also a

2:24:05desire from this body to see those

2:24:07things come together. So, um, I've only

2:24:10had in my mind that we're going to build

2:24:12flat fields on that space. And so, we've

2:24:14needed to get to this point with final

2:24:16design, which will give us the the

2:24:18ability to have a real estimate and

2:24:20drawings to say this is how much it

2:24:22costs to do this thing. And, you know,

2:24:24this is Landon, get out there. Let's go

2:24:26raise some money.

2:24:27>> Yeah. Well, as part of that, um, while

2:24:29you're working on it, and even if we

2:24:30enter into, let's say, a long-term lease

2:24:33agreement with a third party, maybe a

2:24:35nonprofit, maybe one of the things we

2:24:38should be moving forward is some kind of

2:24:39deed restriction, because if um if we do

2:24:44have nonprofits out there raising money

2:24:46to do a thing and it's not complete, but

2:24:49then there's a, you know, a third a

2:24:52fourth party swoops in, that that would

2:24:54be very undermining, I think, to

2:24:56whatever third party you're working

2:24:57with. And so what we may want to do is

2:25:00at least put a deed restriction on the

2:25:01property that it's either for open space

2:25:03or some kind of recreational use or

2:25:06whatever you think best. But I mean, do

2:25:08do you think that's a possibility or

2:25:10>> Yeah, I obviously I think that all of

2:25:13those things are great um a great

2:25:15opportunity. Um how how we do that and

2:25:17the best ways to protect it is is what

2:25:19we need to discuss. I think there's no

2:25:21better way to to protect it than

2:25:23actually get these fields built because

2:25:25there's no way the community

2:25:26>> but I also know having been through the

2:25:27Moana fields and also the Moana pool

2:25:30that these things typically take like 10

2:25:32to 20 years and so lots can happen in 10

2:25:35or 20 years um we saw kind of changes at

2:25:39the flood project up and down depending

2:25:40who's on the board things like that and

2:25:43so all I'm saying is I think if if you

2:25:45are going to work with a third party on

2:25:47these fields which you brought up um we

2:25:49should provide some assurance that when

2:25:51they raise their money, we will still be

2:25:54there, you know. So, that would be my re

2:25:56recommendation if you're if you're

2:25:58serious about what you've said.

2:26:00>> Yes.

2:26:01>> Okay. Some way to make sure

2:26:03[clears throat] when they get there,

2:26:04we're there.

2:26:05>> Okay. Thanks.

2:26:07>> Quick question.

2:26:08>> Sure.

2:26:09>> Um Okay. And I'm so glad that Councilman

2:26:11Der brought it up. I would just stress

2:26:13uh to this council that um I think this

2:26:18will be actually one of the biggest

2:26:20projects that we do for children and

2:26:22also preservation of land. Um, I can't

2:26:25also express how watching my gosh and I

2:26:29think it was like right whenever I got

2:26:30on to council. Um, this area is so

2:26:36susceptible to flooding

2:26:38and so it would be a grave mistake if

2:26:42we were to develop that. And so I can't

2:26:45stress that enough. I think this council

2:26:47understands that. Um, but when we're

2:26:49gone, I want to just make sure that it's

2:26:51on the public record that this would be

2:26:54um, I think catastrophic to build on,

2:26:56especially because of the flooding

2:26:59um, challenges and also I unfortunately

2:27:03I think we're going to see these

2:27:05conditions get worse. Um, and but I was

2:27:08there and remember the UNR flood and I I

2:27:13I'm concerned whenever I hear about

2:27:16people talking in the background about

2:27:18building and this isn't on our side, but

2:27:22there's some areas around it. Um, that

2:27:24could be extremely problematic and then

2:27:27that would cause a big liability for the

2:27:30city. And so I don't think that you

2:27:32should have to or we the city of Reno

2:27:35should have to bear a lot of that

2:27:36responsibility whenever they decide to

2:27:39build over there. And think about what

2:27:41those residents just went through in

2:27:42just a small period of time. That was

2:27:46not a you know how how long was that?

2:27:48And that was quick.

2:27:50>> And look at what they've already

2:27:52experienced the county residents, right?

2:27:55So, I just want to make sure and I want

2:27:57to say thank you, Nathan, for being such

2:27:59a champion for parks. You are doing a

2:28:01phenomenal job. And what I love about

2:28:04you is you listen to the community and

2:28:07you love parks just as much. I am so

2:28:09impressed with what you're accomplishing

2:28:11and and listening to Mr. White. Um, you

2:28:15don't know how much that means to him.

2:28:17It just you are his um light and shining

2:28:21armor. So, thank you so much. But I just

2:28:24want to stress stress stress that that

2:28:26area of Penrook should never ever ever

2:28:29be built on. That is just would be

2:28:31catastrophic for all of those residents

2:28:34out there. And again, there are people

2:28:36in the backgrounds, I think, not on our

2:28:40side, but other jurisdictional sides

2:28:43that are waiting to develop over there.

2:28:45And that's just wrong. So, as soon as

2:28:47you could possibly get the deed

2:28:49restriction so that never happens, um I

2:28:52think we it would be a big big big win.

2:28:56>> And if I may, Madame Mayor to build on

2:28:58or Mr. Vice Mayor, um Mr. Martinez and I

2:29:02of course serve on the flood board and

2:29:04one of the things that we've learned is

2:29:06that they recently remapped the whole

2:29:09region around the river and the things

2:29:11that we knew flooded, they flood even

2:29:13worse. So what we know has really

2:29:16increased our risk much more than it we

2:29:19even thought back in 97 flood on you and

2:29:21our farm or you know we we saw the

2:29:24evidence in front of our eyes but we

2:29:26didn't realize how often that could

2:29:27possibly happen and that's what the

2:29:29remapping does and I believe that it

2:29:31showed that um you know that we have a

2:29:34much wider flood way means where the

2:29:36flood goes versus the flood plane and so

2:29:40to your point madame mayor you you're

2:29:42more right than you I guess I'm saying

2:29:44we've we've had the chance to learn and

2:29:46Trina here has also um shown us maps,

2:29:50you know, from a Reno perspective, not

2:29:52just the overall region, but

2:29:53specifically Reno, and they show really

2:29:55increased flood risk. So,

2:29:58>> thank you.

2:29:58>> And the one thing that stood out to me

2:30:00because I was on council at the time,

2:30:02how much livestock did they lose?

2:30:04>> 350 sheep is

2:30:06>> 350 sheep they lost out there. If people

2:30:09were to build there and homes were out

2:30:11there, that would be just catastrophic.

2:30:13So,

2:30:15>> that is a big warning, right?

2:30:17>> Sorry, Nathan. I'm talking to you like

2:30:18you're you're over there building a

2:30:19project.

2:30:20>> Oh, I I didn't have a class in this at

2:30:22ASU, but yeah, I get it. [laughter]

2:30:24>> I'm just I got it on the record.

2:30:26Everyone knows. They can't say they

2:30:27didn't know. And it was really

2:30:30challenging for the city. And I I'm just

2:30:33sad whenever I hear people ignoring uh

2:30:35those warning signs and the danger of

2:30:38what could happen over there. It's not

2:30:40good. So

2:30:41>> yeah.

2:30:42>> All right. Go ahead.

2:30:43>> Thanks so much, Madame Mayor, and thanks

2:30:44for the discussion. Um I'd like to bring

2:30:47it back to two things. The first is just

2:30:50hitting the point that council member

2:30:52Anderson brought up. you know, if

2:30:53there's anything you need from us to

2:30:55ensure that swimming lessons are

2:30:58continuing to be provided, whether it is

2:31:00through um the program that you

2:31:02highlighted with Bernice Matthews and

2:31:04the that there if there's anything we

2:31:06can do to support or expand those

2:31:08availabilities for our community, be

2:31:10happy to support uh where we can we can

2:31:12talk offline about that piece. Um being

2:31:15a father of young children, I understand

2:31:17how crucial it is for kids to learn and

2:31:19what you said is spot on. If the

2:31:21registration opens at 12 and you get

2:31:23there at 12:10, you're on a wait list.

2:31:26Especially if your kids are in the early

2:31:29levels or the water babies programs. I

2:31:33think it it's a not as intense when you

2:31:35move up to like level four and higher

2:31:37because I think most of us are

2:31:40>> record water babies

2:31:41>> are wanting our kids to be safe in

2:31:43water. Not professional athletes or

2:31:45Olympians maybe, but at least being safe

2:31:47and comfortable in water. So, I think

2:31:49it's important that we continue to

2:31:50expand those services and if there's

2:31:52anything when it comes to language

2:31:53access or barriers in that space, happy

2:31:56to help any way that we can get the

2:31:58wording out to our communities um and

2:32:00ensure that they know that these are

2:32:01possibilities because like you said,

2:32:02sometimes you may not think about those

2:32:04extracurriculars and the registration

2:32:06may have been open two months ago and

2:32:08you may have missed that opportunity.

2:32:10And so, whatever we can do there, I'm

2:32:11happy to do. And then in terms of

2:32:13Pemrook, I wanted to thank R YSA for

2:32:16funding that portion of getting the

2:32:18design to 100% and I do know being on

2:32:21the flood management authority that

2:32:23there's been identified that a burm

2:32:26needs to be constructed on that site to

2:32:28help protect. And so speaking with the

2:32:30executive director over there um and our

2:32:32attorney Michael Wools um I learned

2:32:35about that piece of the project with

2:32:37which can help provide some more flood

2:32:40mitigation on the fields themselves um

2:32:42and anything south of those parcels. And

2:32:45so um whatever we can do to provide the

2:32:49security that folks need on this council

2:32:51that this project is going to move

2:32:52forward. I agree with you that building

2:32:54the fields is really at the end of the

2:32:56day what's going to ensure um it not

2:32:59being developed into something else that

2:33:01could have downstream effects to other

2:33:03parcels. And so um happy to help support

2:33:07uh Mr. Miller in that endeavor. Um and I

2:33:10know that we have some funding um from

2:33:13the catalyst project at the Grants

2:33:16Resort um to support youth youth

2:33:19recreation and youth sports. So that

2:33:20might be a avenue for us to tap into

2:33:23some funding sources once those revenues

2:33:26are generated. So I just wanted to put

2:33:28both of those things and hopefully um

2:33:30our outgoing members understand how

2:33:32crucial it is and how

2:33:35invested I am personally to ensure that

2:33:37this happens and understand the impacts

2:33:39to our neighbors in Wo County, Hidden

2:33:41Valley, Pemrook Rock and all those areas

2:33:44that will have be impacted if there are

2:33:46offsetting effects to those parcels. So,

2:33:49just wanted to point that out. Thank

2:33:50you,

2:33:51>> Council Member Dor.

2:33:52>> Yes. Speaking of outgoing members, half

2:33:55joking here, but just wondering if we

2:33:57have a discounted use fee for city

2:33:59alumni for that Moana pool.

2:34:01>> I I believe we do.

2:34:03>> We do?

2:34:03>> Yeah. I believe we have a

2:34:05>> I don't know if you want to be called

2:34:06retired, but I believe we have a retired

2:34:07benefit to utilize our spaces.

2:34:09>> That's amazing.

2:34:10>> Yeah.

2:34:10>> Okay.

2:34:11>> Talk to me offline, though.

2:34:12>> All right.

2:34:15>> Are there any questions or comments?

2:34:17Council member I see your hands raised.

2:34:19We'll go to you. [clears throat]

2:34:23>> Yeah. Um just wanted to talk about um

2:34:27some of the the stuff that I'm hoping we

2:34:29can work on out and work for too. I know

2:34:32Nathan, you and I have taken a few

2:34:34tours, I believe, of the the um

2:34:37decommission stud elementary school and

2:34:40the biggest hurdle um towards using that

2:34:44as a a community center is we just don't

2:34:46have money to do so. So, um I'm excited

2:34:51about the prospect of partnering with

2:34:53UNR to share that campus and hopefully

2:34:57they can um help with some of the

2:35:00funding issues. Um but, uh I would love

2:35:04to be able to kind of have the budget to

2:35:08bring some of these plans to life. it's

2:35:10been um frustrating to um have the ideas

2:35:15um but just not have the funds to make

2:35:19things happen. So, I want to thank you

2:35:21for your efforts and for for coming out

2:35:24and and um

2:35:27working on my parks with me. I really

2:35:30appreciate it and for the upcoming

2:35:32changes to um mayor's park. So, just

2:35:34wanted to say that. Thank you.

2:35:42Are there any other comments or

2:35:44questions before I let you go? Just

2:35:46curious if you could tell us about those

2:35:48joint committee meetings that have been

2:35:49happening between the parks and Rex

2:35:51committees of all three jurisdictions

2:35:53and you can if you can just give us an

2:35:54update.

2:35:55>> Sure. Our last one was in April um where

2:35:58we heard about the park district and

2:36:00that's a big part of the process for

2:36:01both public input and then also um

2:36:03taking steps with 318A uh to do make

2:36:06sure we're doing this right. Um, our

2:36:08next one will be at the end of October,

2:36:10I believe October 26th. We'll have

2:36:12another joint meeting to discuss the

2:36:14actual framework that's being presented.

2:36:16Um, and really really showing how that

2:36:19um aligns with what the public feedback

2:36:21was um of of uh our our survey process

2:36:26and also the uh board meetings. So tying

2:36:28the framework to public input through

2:36:30the joint meeting and then that would

2:36:31lead into that final decision point by

2:36:33the elected bodies in January and

2:36:35February.

2:36:36>> Great. Thank you, Council Member Iver, I

2:36:39see your hand is still up. I just want

2:36:40to make sure I don't miss you with any

2:36:42comments or questions.

2:36:46>> Okay, if there's nothing else, look for

2:36:48a motion on this item.

2:36:50>> All right, I'll motion.

2:36:52>> I'll second.

2:36:52>> Great. We have a motion and a second to

2:36:55accept the parks, recreation, open space

2:36:57master plan implementation update. All

2:36:59those in favor say I. I.

2:37:01>> I. Any opposed? Motion passes

2:37:03unanimously. Thank you, Director Ulat.

2:37:06With that, we'll move on to items D1,

2:37:10D2, and D3,

2:37:15>> if you'd like to open the public

2:37:16hearing.

2:37:16>> One second. Yes, I was just getting

2:37:18situated. Sorry about that. Thank you so

2:37:20much.

2:37:24Um, Madame Clerk, let the record reflect

2:37:26that the council's opening public

2:37:28hearing on items D1, D2, and D3. Was

2:37:31proper notice given and any

2:37:32correspondence received?

2:37:34>> Proper notice was given and no

2:37:35correspondence was received.

2:37:37>> Great. I'll now hand it over to our city

2:37:39attorney to read the ordinance into the

2:37:41record.

2:37:46Item number D3, ordinance introduction,

2:37:48bill number 7344,

2:37:51case number LDC 27-00005,

2:37:55Cadexa residence master plan and zoning

2:37:57map amendments, ordinance to amend title

2:37:5918, chapter 1802 of the Reno Municipal

2:38:01Code entitled zoning reszoning a 5acre

2:38:04parcel located at the terminus of Codexa

2:38:07Way 0.39 miles southeast of the

2:38:10intersection with Rio Wrangler Park Way,

2:38:12Desert Way, Equidexaway within the city

2:38:15of Reno sphere of influence from a mix

2:38:17of unincorporated transition 40 acres

2:38:19and large lot residential

2:38:222.5 acres to large lot residential 1

2:38:25acre together with matters which pertain

2:38:27to or necessarily connected there with W

2:38:29three.

2:38:32Thank you. Do any council members have

2:38:33to make any disclosures?

2:38:37Doesn't look like it. Does anybody

2:38:39require a presentation or do you all

2:38:41want to move straight to questions

2:38:44on this item?

2:38:45>> Just uh really quickly.

2:38:47>> Yeah, Madame Mayor.

2:38:48>> All right, come on up. Give us

2:38:50[clears throat] a quick overview.

2:38:52>> Quick overview. Okay. Jeff Foster,

2:38:53associate planner. U basically what you

2:38:56have is a 5 acre parcel. It's about 4.61

2:38:59acres by survey. Um it's in the county

2:39:02uh but within the city's sphere of

2:39:04influence. Um, it's proposed to be

2:39:06master plan amendment uh changed and

2:39:09zone change to eventually allow the uh

2:39:13parcel to be subdivided into four 1acre

2:39:16parcels. Um, and that would uh

2:39:19potentially be for development of a

2:39:21family complex out there uh of on those

2:39:25four 1acre lots. So that's it very

2:39:29briefly.

2:39:30>> Okay.

2:39:32I assume Councilwoman Eert, Mr.

2:39:35>> Oh, go ahead. I'd love to hear your

2:39:38overview.

2:39:40>> Yeah, thank you so much.

2:39:41>> I assume you're supporting. Um yeah, I I

2:39:44just wanted to understand um so as far

2:39:47typically when we see any master plan

2:39:49zoning amendments there, especially when

2:39:52it's in our fear of sphere of influence

2:39:54and not within city proper, we see sort

2:39:56of that annexation process coming in.

2:39:58I'm just curious why in this case that

2:40:00isn't included um in this application

2:40:03package and if there is a need for that

2:40:05in the future or if it the applicants

2:40:09aren't required to go through that in

2:40:10order to develop the way that they see

2:40:12fit.

2:40:13>> Okay, great question uh council member

2:40:15Martinez. So um an annexation is not

2:40:18required at this point in time. the

2:40:21applicant uh is looking at provision of

2:40:24services through on-site well and

2:40:27septic. So there's they're not needing

2:40:29to tie into city services. So that's the

2:40:32main trigger for not needing an

2:40:33annexation. The applicant's

2:40:34representative is here as well and could

2:40:36probably speak to that more if you would

2:40:37like. Um but that would be the the main

2:40:40reason that they are not looking at

2:40:41annexing um because they don't need the

2:40:44provision of city services at this point

2:40:45in time. In theory, they could go that

2:40:48route. Um if we look real quickly at um

2:40:52this slide here, you can see that the

2:40:54Talis Valley PUB is real close and um

2:40:59they may uh look at tying into

2:41:02infrastructure that's uh already there

2:41:04for Talis Valley. Um Brooke can speak to

2:41:06that further if he'd like, but if that

2:41:09were to be the case, then then then

2:41:11annexation would would need to come

2:41:13forward.

2:41:15>> Okay, that makes sense. And just given

2:41:18obviously recent history with fires, I

2:41:20think I see uh someone from, you know,

2:41:22our fire department here. Um just

2:41:25curious if you can maybe come up and

2:41:26speak a little bit about the protections

2:41:29that are provided with this and any WOOI

2:41:32requirements that need to be mandated or

2:41:35complied with for the design of this

2:41:37project.

2:41:38>> Sure. Fire Marshall Beck is here to to

2:41:40speak to that.

2:41:44For the record, John Beck, Fire Marshall

2:41:45Arena Fire Department. What's sir, what

2:41:48specific questions did you have

2:41:49regarding the project itself?

2:41:52>> Just in terms of like the applicable WOI

2:41:55requirements for design and what

2:41:57mitigation efforts you're taking or

2:42:00requiring and conditioning for this

2:42:01project.

2:42:02>> So the based on response, this is

2:42:04interior to to begin with, but uh the

2:42:07the response beyond 6 minutes is already

2:42:09going to require fire sprinklers. And so

2:42:12as far as the exterior goes, I'd have to

2:42:14look at that beyond the LDC to see if

2:42:17it's if it's private residence, if we're

2:42:20going to require it's not commercial as

2:42:23far as the the will be requirements,

2:42:26whatever whatever is within the code

2:42:29minimums will be required.

2:42:31>> Understood. But you're saying there has

2:42:32to be sprinkling provided. Is that what

2:42:34you said?

2:42:35>> Well, it's b that's based on response.

2:42:36So, anything that's either uh over 5,000

2:42:39square ft and or beyond a 6-minute

2:42:41response from the nearest fire station

2:42:43is required to have fire sprinklers

2:42:44throughout.

2:42:46>> And which what is the nearest fire

2:42:47station?

2:42:48>> The nearest fire station for this would

2:42:49be fire station 12. It's approximately

2:42:52um which is down off of Steamboat and

2:42:54that's approximately 10 to 12 minute

2:42:55response time from that from that uh

2:42:57location.

2:42:58>> Okay, those are the only questions I had

2:43:00at this point. Um,

2:43:04can you explain to me because isn't the

2:43:05TAGO

2:43:07uh facility over here or am I getting

2:43:09that wrong?

2:43:10>> Um, I I haven't I don't know

2:43:11specifically. I haven't compared where

2:43:14that actual parcel is to where the TGO

2:43:16battery energy storage site is, but it's

2:43:19but it's in that neck of the woods. I

2:43:21think it might be a little bit south

2:43:22from there.

2:43:23>> Okay. Well, that's a problem because if

2:43:25we don't know where those are and and

2:43:27just to explain and you know this, this

2:43:29is what you do. You're an expert. Um,

2:43:31that is the lithium

2:43:34that is the lithium plant, the battery

2:43:36plant,

2:43:36>> correct?

2:43:37>> You know how difficult those are to put

2:43:39out and this is concerning if we don't

2:43:42know where that is subject to where

2:43:44we're going to build homes. Um, can you

2:43:48I think first of all I that needs to be

2:43:50identified. The second is I think that

2:43:54we should this is going to be very

2:43:56unpopular but we should not be doing any

2:43:58developments until we have the fire

2:44:00plans completely um brought forward

2:44:03seeing the environment lately. Um I

2:44:07think you know that but also this

2:44:10battery um lithium battery area

2:44:15those are so hard to put out and I think

2:44:18again we kind of need to look at what is

2:44:21around those areas to make sure that

2:44:24we're not creating additional fire

2:44:26hazards. So that's that's pretty

2:44:29concerning. And then also the delayed

2:44:31response time. It sounds like you you

2:44:33just said it yourself that anything over

2:44:366 minutes, correct? Is that right?

2:44:39>> Um well, it's just a it's just a

2:44:42question of whether they need to have

2:44:43fire sprinklers is is the response. So,

2:44:46we screen from the fire department side.

2:44:48We screen a project when it comes

2:44:49through for everything that is for code

2:44:52compliance. So, it's not it's not a

2:44:56response is a not a go no-go criteria as

2:44:58far as approval. It's just whether they

2:45:00need sprinklers or not, ma'am. Yeah.

2:45:03>> Okay. I'm just surprised that it's that

2:45:05we don't know where it's at. So,

2:45:08>> you're saying as far as the the battery

2:45:09battery energy storage site?

2:45:11>> Yeah. Where is it?

2:45:12>> It's south of there. I don't know. I

2:45:14don't know. I on that specific

2:45:16>> John. It's uh it's the um skinny parcel

2:45:19at the bottom of the screen.

2:45:20>> Can you point that out?

2:45:21>> Yeah. I don't have a mouse, but So, uh

2:45:24if you see where Talis Valley is, right?

2:45:26Okay. Thank you so much. So the skinny

2:45:28keep going down to the south uh east

2:45:31right to the right to the right. So it's

2:45:33that skinny parcel into that area right

2:45:36there.

2:45:37>> That's where the TGO plant is.

2:45:39>> Yeah.

2:45:39>> So how far is that from where we're

2:45:42talking about developing

2:45:44>> approximately?

2:45:45>> Yeah.

2:45:45>> Um looking at that that's probably a

2:45:47quarter mile or further.

2:45:50>> Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

2:45:54All right.

2:45:56Hi, my question is for access to water

2:46:00for future development. If this is WOOI,

2:46:02they stay on wells.

2:46:05Where's the water come from? If a fire

2:46:07comes through here, is it coming just is

2:46:09this a fire drop or can firefighters get

2:46:13water to that area? if it's not hooked

2:46:15up to tumbla.

2:46:17>> So in that particular case when it's

2:46:19when there's no hydrants typically the

2:46:21way it works is for the fire sprinklers

2:46:22we we we require an 1142 system that has

2:46:25an actual water source attached to it

2:46:27for the sprinklers. As far as the actual

2:46:30firefighting capabilities um there's

2:46:32different ways. It's more of an

2:46:34operational operations question. Um, but

2:46:38there are there are resources like water

2:46:40tenders that we can call for and that's

2:46:42typically this is this is actually in

2:46:45the in the in the county area

2:46:48that's typically how they dispatch. So

2:46:51because most of the areas in the county

2:46:54don't have hydrants they typically uh

2:46:57dispatch a water tender along with the

2:46:58fire engine. So they bring their own

2:47:00water supply.

2:47:01>> Okay. So this is a normal function in

2:47:03unincorporated areas where if people

2:47:06were to develop their own private

2:47:08property with four houses on four acres,

2:47:12it would be expected that a in the WOOI

2:47:14code they would have some type of a

2:47:15water source based on what you're saying

2:47:18because they're sprinklered and there

2:47:19would be a water source. B we would be

2:47:21bringing our own water because that's

2:47:23what's expected in unincorp

2:47:25unincorporated county areas. Is that

2:47:27correct?

2:47:28>> Correct.

2:47:29>> Okay. Thank you. [snorts]

2:47:31Council member Tuer.

2:47:32>> Thank you. I just have a quick question

2:47:33I believe for um Jeff. I want to

2:47:36understand what this is and what it

2:47:38isn't. Um we've talked a little bit

2:47:40about a development or housing or

2:47:42whatever. There is no development

2:47:43proposed. There is no housing provo

2:47:45proposed. This is a legislative action

2:47:47on the land designation. So

2:47:50I is there some comfort that you can

2:47:52give us that if something were to be

2:47:54built there that maybe it would come

2:47:55back for depending on what the SU or

2:47:57what they're going to build it may come

2:48:00back to council or uh planning

2:48:02commission but at this time it's not

2:48:03required like we would a tenative map to

2:48:06put conditions on it or anything because

2:48:07it's just a land designation change.

2:48:09>> Right. So um so this request is a

2:48:12legislative action as you point out.

2:48:14There is no development plan on the on

2:48:16the uh on the radar yet.

2:48:18>> So they could do nothing or they could

2:48:20do something.

2:48:20>> They could do nothing, but the LLR1 zone

2:48:22that is proposed would effectively limit

2:48:26this to single family homes and and I

2:48:28would I didn't uh go through the

2:48:30presentation, but I would point out very

2:48:32quickly that the current UT40 zone

2:48:36actually allows

2:48:36>> look at slide six. So when if you go to

2:48:38slide six, you have a a good comparison

2:48:41of what's

2:48:41>> the UT40 zone actually allows more uses.

2:48:44The existing UT40 allows more uses than

2:48:47the proposed LLR1. LLR1 would

2:48:50effectively lock it in for development

2:48:52of four single family homes.

2:48:54>> That would be subject to a parcel map.

2:48:56So it would not go back to the planning

2:48:58commission or the council. It would be

2:49:00done at at the staff level. But through

2:49:03the subsequent uh building permits all

2:49:05of these staff level and the building

2:49:08permits there is a review that happens

2:49:11internally to for safe checks and

2:49:13balances for planning for engineering

2:49:15for for fire. All of that would be

2:49:17reviewed during the building permit

2:49:19phase.

2:49:19>> Okay. Thank you.

2:49:20>> You bet.

2:49:22>> Council member Der.

2:49:23>> Yeah. I was just wondering Jeeoff um

2:49:24what is who is the land owner around

2:49:26this? Is it a government or is it a

2:49:29Talis Valley or

2:49:31>> Yeah. So, as you can see, the the four

2:49:33uh 5acre parcels are all privately

2:49:36owned. Um the applicant is the obviously

2:49:38the one in yellow. Um but surrounding it

2:49:41is all BLM land, and that's why I had

2:49:43those BLM logos up there. So, yeah, that

2:49:46those four land parcels are are entirely

2:49:49surrounded by BLM land.

2:49:50>> Yeah. And on a previous map, if you

2:49:52could go back, um could you show us that

2:49:55one's fine? Is Alexander Lake Road above

2:49:58the V on veterans? Yes. Yeah,

2:50:01>> that's where it is up there. Yep.

2:50:03>> Okay. And then these other four parcels,

2:50:06have we heard from people coming in?

2:50:08>> The other three parcels we have not

2:50:09heard to my knowledge. Yeah.

2:50:11>> Yeah.

2:50:11>> I'm one of the owners

2:50:12>> of

2:50:14parel upper right

2:50:16>> upper right or I don't think I can shout

2:50:19to you back there. But were you planning

2:50:21to come in to develop yours too?

2:50:25>> I don't know what kind of development I

2:50:27want. I want to build on it. My

2:50:30Madame Clerk, how Madame Clerk, how are

2:50:32we to make a record of this?

2:50:34>> Yeah, if he could come up.

2:50:36>> Yes, we can uh sign him in for public

2:50:38comment if you'd like.

2:50:38>> Thank you so much. I can't hear. And so,

2:50:40we have a processor. Just come forward.

2:50:42If you have something to contribute to

2:50:44the conversation. It sounds like Miss

2:50:45Der has a question of you and then you

2:50:47can put your comments on the

2:50:48>> I was just trying to understand what's

2:50:50around there. And there's three other

2:50:51private parcels. You said you're the

2:50:53upper right or the northeast corner.

2:50:55>> Yes. And are I was just asking were

2:50:58there more development proposals out

2:50:59there and you don't know is what you

2:51:01were saying.

2:51:02>> I'm trying to figure out

2:51:03>> please state your name for the record as

2:51:04well.

2:51:05>> My name is Philip Lgoy.

2:51:07Um I'm trying to figure out what I can

2:51:09do with this parcel. My family's owned

2:51:11it since the early 60s.

2:51:13>> Ah

2:51:14>> and uh we've never been able to do

2:51:16anything with it. I've always wanted to

2:51:18build a house there.

2:51:19>> But I mean I'm sure access is an issue.

2:51:22>> It's a massive issue. Yeah. You can get

2:51:25a jeep road through the backside,

2:51:28but you can't get up

2:51:31uh onto the property in the middle of

2:51:34Codexa.

2:51:36Um CEXA actually goes right next to my

2:51:40property and uh it's really steep right

2:51:44there and switchbacks have already been

2:51:46tried. As you can see in the picture,

2:51:49our neighbor did the switchback attempt

2:51:52and it could and you can't even meet uh

2:51:55city code with that kind of steepness.

2:51:58>> So, what I think is proposed here is to

2:52:00keep it in the county which has a

2:52:02different code than the city and they're

2:52:05just reviewing we're reviewing it

2:52:07because it's in our sphere but they

2:52:09haven't annexed or asked to annex. So,

2:52:12it's still in the county and it's

2:52:14subject to county development

2:52:16ordinances. Right, Jeff? No.

2:52:18>> No. So, being in the sphere of

2:52:20influence, excuse me, sir. Being in the

2:52:22sphere of influence, it is subject to

2:52:24our um uh building codes.

2:52:26>> Oh, okay. Y

2:52:27>> So, what I understood when you explained

2:52:29this to me was that they may ask to hook

2:52:32into Talis Valley.

2:52:35>> That is correct. That is a possibility.

2:52:37>> And then they would come back in, I

2:52:38guess, with a different development plan

2:52:42possibly. Um the potential development

2:52:45plan I don't think would change. It's

2:52:47still potentially for single family

2:52:48lots, but it would just be served water

2:52:51and sewer potentially via connecting to

2:52:53Talis Valley

2:52:55>> versus on-site septic and and wells.

2:52:57>> Well, I just wanted to explain to having

2:53:00reviewed development in this area but

2:53:02further south. Um where I get concerned

2:53:05is the higher it gets, right? And I just

2:53:08wondering where does this fit in the 30°

2:53:11slopes and those kind of things.

2:53:13>> Yeah. So, we haven't looked at the

2:53:15hillside ordinance or any portion of

2:53:17that at this point in time because of

2:53:19again we don't have a development plan.

2:53:21So, okay. Um uh Brook Oswald is here. He

2:53:24may be able to speak to the the slopes

2:53:25that are on the site. But

2:53:26>> what exactly are we doing then? We're we

2:53:28don't have a development. We're just

2:53:29doing the zoning to change it from LR1

2:53:33to or from UT40 to LR1. Is that what

2:53:36you're saying? So, two things. First of

2:53:37all, the the proposed zone, the LLR1

2:53:40requires a a master plan amendment to

2:53:42large lot residential. So, we first need

2:53:44the MPA to large lot residential and of

2:53:46course that's subject to conformance

2:53:48review by the regional planning

2:53:49commission. Um, but then secondly, there

2:53:52is the zone change to LLR1. Correct.

2:53:55>> Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

2:53:59I mean, I guess what I'm just saying is

2:54:00in terms of WOOI and those kind of

2:54:03things, my sense of it is this isn't as

2:54:05constrained as I guess I'm talking to

2:54:07Jeff isn't as constrained, let's say, as

2:54:10the Canyons area or or do you disagree,

2:54:13Brooke,

2:54:16uh Brook [clears throat] Oswald, I'm

2:54:17with the ERC group? Um, so there are

2:54:20some flatter uh portions on this site.

2:54:22There's some previous grading that had

2:54:24been done. Mhm.

2:54:25>> Um we we keep talking about four homes.

2:54:27That's what's allowed. We may see one.

2:54:29We may see four. We may see three and I

2:54:32think it's probably going to be three.

2:54:33They they just want really to build be

2:54:35able to have their children be able to

2:54:37build a home on the property with them.

2:54:39Okay.

2:54:39>> Um as we look at this uh there is no

2:54:42development plan where that's why this

2:54:44is the first step just to allow them.

2:54:46This is just under five acres. So the

2:54:482.5 even 2.5 doesn't allow them two

2:54:51homes, right? And so we the only the

2:54:54next logical zoning is the LLR1 and it's

2:54:584.67 which allows four lots. Now if if

2:55:02um the hillside did apply, we have open

2:55:04space requirements and we have some of

2:55:06those other things that start to kick in

2:55:08that could reduce that density. So

2:55:10that's already contemplated in the

2:55:12future. Right now we're really looking

2:55:13at that legislator act action that just

2:55:16allows them to build the homes. Uh, as

2:55:18far as the neighbors, I have also spoke

2:55:20with the other adjacent neighbor

2:55:21attended the neighborhood meeting. We

2:55:22spoke for quite a while. They're in not

2:55:25uh wouldn't say they'd come out in full

2:55:27support, but they are also interested in

2:55:29what they can it can do. So, I mean

2:55:31really what we would see is a small

2:55:32enclave of anywhere from four to to to

2:55:36possibly 16 homes up there. And and I

2:55:39think it becomes so constrained it just

2:55:41really becomes a cluster. And that's one

2:55:43of the reasons as we move up that

2:55:44hillside, we really start to reduce that

2:55:46density. Well, that's exactly what I was

2:55:48going to say is that when I see a low

2:55:50density application for this type of

2:55:52area, I feel fine about it. But if you

2:55:54were coming in here to talk about SF

2:55:57fill in the blank 58, whatever, because

2:56:01I'm going to remind folks that like S

2:56:04when we did one before when we went from

2:56:06SF3 to SF8, it allows not just single

2:56:10family attach or detached, but attached

2:56:13also apartments. And when I I don't feel

2:56:16end up feeling comfortable when we

2:56:18looking at a higher density in these um

2:56:20out areas, you know, these areas that

2:56:22are more susceptible to fire the wooi

2:56:25and and that's you know I always try to

2:56:27keep that in mind. We don't want to

2:56:29restrict people's development options

2:56:31entirely. And I think a single family or

2:56:34four homes here on this what's the total

2:56:37acreage?

2:56:38>> 4.67 I think or somewhere in there

2:56:40almost 5 acres. So doing four homes on

2:56:42four acres seems very appropriate to me.

2:56:45>> Correct.

2:56:45>> But doing 40 homes on four acres or 40

2:56:49apartments, not so much.

2:56:50>> And and that and that's not the intent

2:56:51here,

2:56:52>> but I'm I'm just putting out my

2:56:53perspective on these kind of things and

2:56:56why I'd be okay with this and maybe not

2:56:58a different proposal that you might come

2:56:59in.

2:57:00>> Okay.

2:57:02>> Okay.

2:57:03Um, so the intent, I mean, we've we've

2:57:08all been sitting up here for several

2:57:10minutes and you've been talking about

2:57:11housing. That is the intent. And I get

2:57:13that that's not what's before us, but

2:57:15that's all semantics. So, let's just

2:57:18assume there is an intent to

2:57:22develop [clears throat] it. Um, so this

2:57:25is for fire and a couple things. I think

2:57:28that um and Jackie, I think that this is

2:57:31considering what we have been through,

2:57:32it was the most catastrophic fire I

2:57:34think people that I've ever seen in my

2:57:36lifetime um since I have lived here. I

2:57:39was born and raised here. I believe um

2:57:41that it's time to honestly there should

2:57:45be a requirement for critical fire

2:57:48identifiers on maps. I think that now

2:57:51more than ever um because to show to not

2:57:55show what is is close to that area um is

2:57:59problematic. The other thing is I would

2:58:01love to ask you have you are you

2:58:04familiar with this hillside and what

2:58:06those slopes look like and sort of the

2:58:09terrain and all that?

2:58:11>> No. Okay.

2:58:12>> Fire

2:58:14for the record John Beck Fire Marshall

2:58:16Reno Fire Department. I am somewhat

2:58:19familiar as far as the terrain. I mean,

2:58:21I don't study it, but we've had projects

2:58:24in that area.

2:58:26>> Um, and so you don't know, you're not

2:58:30very familiar with the the grade of it

2:58:33and all of that.

2:58:36>> Well, it's

2:58:38varies throughout that whole hill hill.

2:58:40>> Do you find it to be a problem or no?

2:58:43>> A problem in in in what way? I'm I'm I'm

2:58:46not

2:58:46>> like a fire risk.

2:58:48>> Well, there's there's a WOOI zones.

2:58:51There's fire hazard zones. So, those are

2:58:54dictated based on our WOOI map.

2:58:57>> Okay. And then let me ask you, what has

2:58:59the city done? Um when it comes to

2:59:01lithium battery fires

2:59:04>> as

2:59:05>> have we what what mitigation have we

2:59:07done? What tell me how we're managing

2:59:10lithium battery fires

2:59:12>> from an operational standpoint?

2:59:15for training or

2:59:16>> yeah what

2:59:17>> that would be I'm not on the operations

2:59:19side so that would be more the

2:59:21operations side to ask because I

2:59:23>> because I've been asking for a really

2:59:25long time about the lithium battery

2:59:27fires and the problems they pose are

2:59:29really really really difficult to put

2:59:31out. So I I've been asking us to put

2:59:33something in place or come forward with

2:59:35a plan when we experience one. And

2:59:38because that uh battery factory is so

2:59:41close, I think that we should identify

2:59:44how we're going to handle it if

2:59:46something should happen.

2:59:47>> So the the TRAO that you're speaking of,

2:59:49they had to they had to furnish an

2:59:50extensive emergency operations plan and

2:59:52emergency response plan as well. So that

2:59:55that is I don't have that with me but

2:59:57but but but they address everything like

2:59:58NFPA 855 and all the requirements as far

3:00:02as monitoring and and the the separation

3:00:05between the actual mega packs and and

3:00:08how our response how that's how that's

3:00:11going to be conducted.

3:00:12>> Okay. All right.

3:00:14>> Thank you so much.

3:00:15>> Of course.

3:00:24have to make a motion if Yeah. Go ahead.

3:00:26>> Just one final thought. You know, as we

3:00:28as we move into the WOOI and we do enter

3:00:31into more challenging environments,

3:00:33steeper slopes, more, you know, more

3:00:36flammable vegetation, that kind of

3:00:37thing. I think it might be wise, just

3:00:39something to think about going forward

3:00:41uh for you and others that come behind

3:00:44you is to make sure when we're reviewing

3:00:47these that we actually do a site

3:00:49inspection. That I think would help you

3:00:51answer these kind of questions. if

3:00:53you've actually been out on the site.

3:00:54Maybe you have in this case, I don't

3:00:56know, but um it's something I've always

3:00:58recommended for the engineers uh to

3:01:01actually not just look at it at their

3:01:03desk, but go out to the place and look

3:01:05at it. It gives you a much better feel

3:01:07for the layout, where the canyons are,

3:01:10where fire risk might be, is there

3:01:11vegetation, um that kind of thing. And

3:01:14so, it's just a just a suggestion when

3:01:16we're getting into reviewing these kind

3:01:18of projects. So,

3:01:20>> leave it at that.

3:01:20>> Last question. I this one is for um our

3:01:23our city attorney's quick question.

3:01:28Clearly you have um some property owners

3:01:31here that would like to develop their

3:01:35parcels or whatever um or figure out how

3:01:39they can use it. What does that look

3:01:42like whenever, let's just say an

3:01:44incident happens um recently like we've

3:01:47seen with these fires and they push to

3:01:50develop it. What where where does that

3:01:52fall with the city if they turn around

3:01:54and want to um and and want to sue the

3:01:59city?

3:02:00>> Our liability.

3:02:01>> Yeah. The liability of this

3:02:03>> it it doesn't impact our liability at

3:02:05all.

3:02:06>> So is there a sign off by these

3:02:09residents saying I knew I was building

3:02:11in fire hazard areas or anything like

3:02:14that?

3:02:16>> No. I mean, the city hasn't done

3:02:18anything. Uh, and it's essentially it's

3:02:22it's their act and to to build out

3:02:24there. So, it's and they're in the

3:02:26county. So,

3:02:26>> what if they come back and say, "Hey,

3:02:27you approved it, city council."

3:02:30>> Yeah. But that doesn't trigger liability

3:02:33because there's I mean, that's not um

3:02:36doing anything that increases the fire

3:02:38risk. I mean,

3:02:41again, we can talk about it offline

3:02:43because I think we're starting to get a

3:02:44little bit far field, but um yeah, no,

3:02:47I'm I don't see it as

3:02:49>> I I guess what happens when people come

3:02:51before us, push developments, and I'm

3:02:53just curious as to then they could turn

3:02:56around and say, "City of Reno, you said

3:02:57it was okay to build here, and we're up

3:03:00here having these conversations of maybe

3:03:01it isn't okay to build here." Um, so

3:03:04that's all I'm trying to figure out the

3:03:06liability aspect and maybe that's where

3:03:09the city gets a sign off that you were

3:03:11agreeing to develop here and therefore

3:03:15>> I don't know.

3:03:15>> Yeah. Again, I don't see the liability.

3:03:18>> Okay.

3:03:18>> Yeah.

3:03:19>> All right. Thanks so much, Jonathan.

3:03:22Okay. Um, Council Member Martinez, are

3:03:24you you you're entertaining a motion?

3:03:26>> I'm happy to. Yes.

3:03:28>> Council member Eert does have her hand

3:03:29raised.

3:03:33Not anymore.

3:03:36>> Okay. In the matter of case LDC.

3:03:38>> No, no, no, no. I had my hand up. I

3:03:40don't know why it went down. Um I I do

3:03:43have some questions.

3:03:46If staff can come up,

3:03:49>> I'm here. Council member Eert.

3:03:51>> Okay. Um

3:03:54under the current zoning, is there

3:03:56anything that's allowed by RA to go in

3:03:58there?

3:04:00>> Can we get Okay. Thank you so much.

3:04:01Yeah. So, um I don't have the full table

3:04:04of allowed land uses um before us or on

3:04:08the screen. Um that I I do know that

3:04:11there are uses that are allowed by

3:04:12Wright in the UT40 and the LLR 2.5

3:04:16zoning that currently exists on the

3:04:17site. Um again, I couldn't tell you

3:04:20exactly what those uses are that are

3:04:22allowed by Wright other than LLR 2.5

3:04:24would allow a single family home. Um but

3:04:27it if I don't know if you can see the

3:04:29screen um but

3:04:31>> you can see that under UT40 which is the

3:04:33uh the bulk of the site um there are

3:04:36actually more allowed uses um especially

3:04:39when you go down to the industrial

3:04:41section at the bottom of the table you

3:04:43can see that there are actually uses

3:04:44that are allowed in the industrial land

3:04:46use category that are allowed currently

3:04:49but would not be allowed under LLR1. Um,

3:04:53some of those may be allowed by right,

3:04:55others may be allowed with a conditional

3:04:57use permit. Um, but regardless, there

3:04:59are more uses that are allowed under the

3:05:01current zoning than would be allowed

3:05:03under the LLR1.

3:05:05>> Okay. Would you mention industrial would

3:05:09um any type of industrial be allowed to

3:05:13build there?

3:05:14>> Yeah. So, resource and extraction, think

3:05:17mining, things like that is allowed by

3:05:19right or sorry, is allowed out there.

3:05:21Um, I don't remember specifically what

3:05:24manufacturing and processing items were

3:05:26allowed out there, but there are

3:05:28industrial types of uses from our table

3:05:30of allowed uses that are allowed in in

3:05:33the UT40 zone, but would not be under

3:05:36LLR1.

3:05:38>> Okay. Would a data center be allowed out

3:05:40there um under current zoning?

3:05:44>> Um, no. No.

3:05:47>> Okay. Um,

3:05:49all right. So this reduces

3:05:53the amount of building that could happen

3:05:55there. Um my next question is um what

3:06:01happens if fire code changes? Is it

3:06:04possible that this this area might not

3:06:09be allowed to be developed if there's

3:06:14changes to the code in the future?

3:06:17um changes to a code that applies to

3:06:20properties in the city or in the sphere

3:06:22of influence um would certainly still

3:06:26have the still be applicable to this

3:06:28site. Just because the zoning is changed

3:06:31to LLR1 uh and the master plan is

3:06:33changed to large lot neighborhood

3:06:35doesn't lock in allowed development um

3:06:39if that is approved today and and uh

3:06:42when it goes to regional. So any changes

3:06:45to the code, the codes that are

3:06:46applicable at the time building is

3:06:48proposed would be applicable to that

3:06:50site.

3:06:52>> Okay. So just if I can complete my

3:06:54thought here really quick. So, we could

3:06:57potentially approve app approve a change

3:07:01to only allow four homes and there could

3:07:05be a change to what we allow with um

3:07:09within that like WOOI area that would

3:07:12make it so that this area could

3:07:15potentially not be eligible for

3:07:18development in the future. Is that is

3:07:20that a possibility?

3:07:22>> Yes. So in again in theory um the the

3:07:25codes that are in force at the time of

3:07:30potential development of the site um

3:07:32would be applicable at that time.

3:07:34Whatever those codes are, building code,

3:07:36fire code, uh planning, etc. So this

3:07:41this uh this action does not um

3:07:44automatically guarantee development of

3:07:46four single family homes on the parcel

3:07:48or anything else associated with those.

3:07:51>> Yeah. I just want to like be very clear

3:07:53on that that um this is not a guarantee

3:07:57that this could be developed. We have

3:08:00all discussed, you know, we would like

3:08:03to make some um or at least review our

3:08:06fire code, maybe make some some changes.

3:08:10Um and it it is a possibility that some

3:08:13areas might not be able to develop in

3:08:16the future. I'm not saying this one

3:08:17specifically, but it is a possibility.

3:08:20So, I do have some other questions. I

3:08:22think everyone had a couple rounds um

3:08:25except for me. So, I don't know if I

3:08:27should continue or if someone else has

3:08:29any um questions.

3:08:32>> I see council and unless manager Bryant,

3:08:35you had something to respond to that.

3:08:37Okay. Yeah, Council Ree.

3:08:38>> Thank you, Vice Mayor. I I haven't said

3:08:41anything yet, so this will just be my

3:08:42first time around. Um

3:08:45I I suppose I'm trying to understand the

3:08:47planning commission approved this

3:08:48unanimously. Correct.

3:08:50>> Correct.

3:08:50>> And they did so because the requested

3:08:53LR1 zone is more restrictive than the

3:08:56current UT40 zone. It is essentially a

3:08:58down zoning.

3:09:00>> It is a downzoning.

3:09:01>> Okay. And when you look at the map that

3:09:03showed the parcel in its entirety, a

3:09:05part of it, LR 2.5 is no longer in

3:09:09compliance at all. Correct.

3:09:11uh LLR 2.5 is already not compliant.

3:09:14>> Correct. So they could have come in on

3:09:16that portion. Let's just say they had

3:09:17subdivided it and that would have been

3:09:19one of our automatic changes that they

3:09:22wouldn't have had to pay for. Correct.

3:09:23>> That's correct.

3:09:24>> Okay. And so I'm not Look, a lot of

3:09:27these questions are very important and

3:09:28we are all dealing with the

3:09:32uh what I would call emotional baggage

3:09:34and strain of having gone through some

3:09:37very significant fire events. And I

3:09:40don't know if we're just porting that

3:09:41event which happened in space and time

3:09:44far from this into then our decision

3:09:47calculus because I'm not sure we can do

3:09:48that through this zoning process. It may

3:09:51be that we need to have a larger

3:09:53regional planning question about where

3:09:56we are building into and those areas.

3:09:58But as to what's in front of us today, I

3:10:00see it as a very simple thing. I see it

3:10:02as a very it's like I don't know how to

3:10:05explain it than my perspective which is

3:10:07you look at the zoning requirements you

3:10:09look at the criteria and findings

3:10:11related to each one of those and if it

3:10:12meets the criteria findings then it has

3:10:15to be approved and when it's a

3:10:16non-compliant parcel already which we

3:10:18would allow them to come in to

3:10:20compliance no matter what and then the

3:10:22rest of it is being downzoned which

3:10:24means to Miss Der's well-intentioned

3:10:26point it's fewer density units than

3:10:29previously it means we're we have a land

3:10:32owner who wants to take a parcel which

3:10:34they own which has value as a higher

3:10:35density and come down in density. I'm

3:10:38not sure how that could ever be a bad

3:10:40thing, right? I get that it may require

3:10:43certain elements to be resolved later

3:10:44when actual building permitting plans

3:10:47come through when different kinds of

3:10:49decisions are made about what it will

3:10:50be, but today we're just constrained by

3:10:53the master plan amendment requirements

3:10:54and the zoning map amendments. Those are

3:10:56pretty straightforward to me and I don't

3:10:58see them as being a barrier to why we

3:11:00shouldn't approve it. Um, and so those

3:11:02are just my thoughts based on your

3:11:04comment. I appreciate that too. Thank

3:11:06you.

3:11:06>> Thank you, Council Member Ree. And if I

3:11:07may just take this opportunity to to um

3:11:10add on one thing, and that is that um

3:11:13again, even though I said earlier that a

3:11:15parcel map would not come before the

3:11:17planning commission or the council in

3:11:18the future, there may be other

3:11:20entitlements that are triggered by

3:11:22development of the site. um for example

3:11:24a major site plan review for cuts and

3:11:26fills things like that. So um the parcel

3:11:29map in and of itself is done at staff

3:11:32level but there depending on the

3:11:35subsequent development program that

3:11:37comes forward there are opportunities um

3:11:41where uh where there may be entitlement

3:11:43action necessary by the planning

3:11:46commission.

3:11:47>> Thank you Mr. Foster. Council member

3:11:49Eert, you said you had more comments or

3:11:51questions.

3:11:55Yeah, thank you. Um,

3:11:59would this zoning allow for duplexes to

3:12:03be built on these large lots or

3:12:06is it only single family?

3:12:08>> It's single family.

3:12:10>> Okay, thank you. And um there was

3:12:14comments about lithium batteries. Um, is

3:12:18is fire still there? Can I ask some

3:12:21questions of them?

3:12:25>> For the record, John Beck, the fire

3:12:27marshal, Reno Fire Department.

3:12:29>> Um, I have had a lot of discussions

3:12:32about the fire um, you know, suppression

3:12:37techniques for um, lithium batteries and

3:12:41um, factories and things like that. And

3:12:43um in some cases I've heard that they

3:12:46just let the fires go because they're

3:12:49too hot. You just have to let let them

3:12:52burn out, which is scary. But um maybe

3:12:58just due to to risk of of human life,

3:13:00that's how it has to go. But there's

3:13:02also um I know Chief Cochran has shared

3:13:05with us at council that um there are um

3:13:09new types of chemicals that they can use

3:13:13to suppress fires. Um are you aware of

3:13:16that at all?

3:13:19>> Um I am aware of there's lots of

3:13:22different methods that they're trying to

3:13:24mitigate lithium battery fires, but I

3:13:27don't have I don't study those

3:13:29extensively. Ours is more on the

3:13:31nonoperational side. Ours is more on the

3:13:34code side as far as what requirements

3:13:35they have to have in place as far as

3:13:38early detection. The operations side I I

3:13:42I know the general basic operations

3:13:45response which which is essentially

3:13:47making sure all the exposures that are

3:13:48surrounding the fire are protected and

3:13:50cooled down so that they so the fire

3:13:52doesn't um extend to those other areas

3:13:55beyond the footprint of the fire itself.

3:13:58>> Yeah. So there's would it be accurate to

3:14:01say that we don't really have an

3:14:03industry standard yet on how to put out

3:14:06specifically like large lithium fires.

3:14:10And when I say large, like we have um

3:14:13lithium battery fires from cell phones

3:14:16and laptops and bikes, which is still a

3:14:20a big problem, but it's, you know, not

3:14:23as

3:14:25um [clears throat] scary as, you know, a

3:14:28battery factory or a storage facility.

3:14:33Um so it is there any

3:14:36industry standard? Are people working

3:14:39towards that? Are you aware of anything

3:14:41like that or is that just not really in

3:14:43your purview?

3:14:44>> Uh, that's more on the operations side

3:14:45as far as extinguishing the fires.

3:14:47>> Um, okay.

3:14:48>> I'm sorry I don't have that detailed

3:14:50information on that.

3:14:52>> That's okay. Thank you. Um,

3:14:57I did have another question. Oh. Um, if

3:15:02I can have another like minute

3:15:04afterwards, that would be great. Yeah, I

3:15:06think you're the last one commenting, so

3:15:09we'll give you your third round of a

3:15:10minute, please.

3:15:12>> Okay, thank you. Um,

3:15:16who is it that can make the decision to

3:15:19open code and make changes? Is it

3:15:21council? Is it fire? Who's whose

3:15:24responsibility is this to make the

3:15:26changes?

3:15:27>> Thank you, Council Member. This is uh

3:15:29city manager Bryant. And so, uh, the way

3:15:32it works is that the council member who

3:15:36desires a change in any type of code

3:15:38would send an email and notify the rest

3:15:41of their members and then we'll discuss

3:15:44the validity of the request and then

3:15:46need to move it and put it on an agenda

3:15:48and we go from there.

3:15:50>> Okay. So, I can request a change to fire

3:15:53code, send out an email and we would

3:15:56agendaize it and we could start the

3:15:58process of changing That is a

3:16:00possibility. There's also laws that must

3:16:02be followed and we collaborate with our

3:16:04regional partners. So, it's a it's a bit

3:16:06more complicated than that, but I'm

3:16:08happy to have that conversation with you

3:16:09offline.

3:16:10>> Yeah. But we're not waiting like buyer

3:16:13doesn't have to tell us like we can make

3:16:16a decision to open our code and review

3:16:19it. Correct.

3:16:20>> We we can do that.

3:16:21>> Okay. Thank you.

3:16:25>> Thank you. If there are no other

3:16:27comments or questions, Madame Mayor, I'd

3:16:29love to propose a motion if that's okay.

3:16:32So, in the matter of case LDC27-00005,

3:16:38based upon compliance with the

3:16:39applicable findings, I move to uphold

3:16:41the recommendations of the planning

3:16:43commission.

3:16:46>> Okay.

3:16:49Any discussion?

3:16:53>> No, I'm just ready to vote.

3:16:57Just a point of order. I want to make

3:16:58sure that you'll still have separate

3:17:00motions for the master plan amendment

3:17:01and for the Okay.

3:17:04>> So, we're going to take three.

3:17:06>> Yes.

3:17:06>> Okay.

3:17:07>> Call for that one.

3:17:08>> Um,

3:17:11so all those in favor say I.

3:17:15>> I.

3:17:16>> I. And then all those opposed. I am

3:17:18opposed. Um, [snorts]

3:17:22I I'm just not going to support any of

3:17:24this until we know exactly how to

3:17:26mitigate the fire and environmental

3:17:28impacts of lithium battery fires. Um, PL

3:17:31or especially plants. And then I would

3:17:33also ask the city manager, I do think

3:17:36that um, Jackie, it would be really

3:17:39important for when we see projects that

3:17:42we have identifiers on those maps.

3:17:46Otherwise, council is not familiar with

3:17:49what the entire landscape looks like.

3:17:54And um I think that that would be really

3:17:56helpful for council to see whenever they

3:18:00have reviewed or something of potential

3:18:02fire hazards. And then I would say I

3:18:05want to thank Councilman Ree because

3:18:07you've talked about extensively doing a

3:18:09much more regional impact assessment of

3:18:12um of fire hazards and the WOOI and all

3:18:17of that regionally. So um I know that

3:18:20you were going to bring that forward. So

3:18:21could you just once you have um some

3:18:24more information or when you guys are

3:18:27going to start looking at that? I know

3:18:28that you were going to bring that

3:18:29forward. So thank you. I think that

3:18:31would be critical. So I'm a no. So all

3:18:33those in favor say I.

3:18:35>> I had a discussion.

3:18:39>> Hello.

3:18:40>> Yeah, I had a item for discussion too

3:18:43after the motion was second it. Um,

3:18:47I would like to know if we can o open

3:18:49the code somehow and make a requirement

3:18:53for um developments in certain areas to

3:18:57have to come back to council as well. So

3:18:59that there's not um a concern um that

3:19:04once a zoning change has happened that

3:19:07um

3:19:09a a development could happen in an area

3:19:12that um you know has a lot of uh

3:19:16wildlife interface and not um be

3:19:20reviewed by council. So I don't know if

3:19:22that's possible but um yeah I will

3:19:26support it. I do think it's a um

3:19:29reduction in density, which is

3:19:31ultimately the the the goal in my in my

3:19:34mind, but um I did want to just put that

3:19:37out there that it' be helpful if we

3:19:39could find ways to make sure that these

3:19:42continue to have to come to council

3:19:44>> prior to approval for development.

3:19:48>> And may I add something? I I already

3:19:51mentioned it, but I really think it'd be

3:19:53helpful going forward if staff would

3:19:55bring the use tables so that when

3:19:57council has those kind of questions, you

3:19:59have it right at your fingertips. when

3:20:01fire um is reviewing these that you

3:20:04actually go out and do the site

3:20:05inspections so that you get a better

3:20:07feel for the terrain and and just there

3:20:10were a lot of questions that council

3:20:12asked today that we didn't have the

3:20:14information at our fingertips and I just

3:20:16think in these more sensitive areas

3:20:18we're council probably have more

3:20:20questions so it's just uh loading you up

3:20:22for bear so to speak to use that term uh

3:20:25preparing you for this conversation it's

3:20:28a recommendation

3:20:30>> okay all Those in favor say I.

3:20:32>> I.

3:20:32>> Those opposed.

3:20:34>> Motion carries. And um Madame Clerk,

3:20:38roll [clears throat] call.

3:20:39>> Sure. If I could get some clarity. Are

3:20:41we still on the We voted several times

3:20:43on this motion.

3:20:45>> We're still one two more.

3:20:48>> Well, is are we on the second one or the

3:20:50>> Oh, but we voted several times on this

3:20:52already, right?

3:20:53>> We have.

3:20:55>> It hasn't been recorded. Okay. But we're

3:20:57just still on the first motion that

3:20:59>> Go ahead. Yes. Correct. Sorry, we just

3:21:00had opened it for discussion and that's

3:21:02why so we

3:21:03>> got you. Okay.

3:21:04>> Yes, of course. Uh, Council Member

3:21:06Taylor,

3:21:06>> yes.

3:21:08>> Council member Derer,

3:21:09>> yes.

3:21:10>> Vice Mayor Martinez,

3:21:12>> yes.

3:21:14>> Uh, Council Member Eert,

3:21:16>> yes.

3:21:17>> Council member Reese,

3:21:19>> yes.

3:21:20>> Council member Anderson,

3:21:21>> yes.

3:21:22>> Mayor Shibi,

3:21:23>> no.

3:21:25>> Motion carries.

3:21:25>> Okay. Thanks so much. Okay, moving

3:21:28along.

3:21:29>> Thank you. Thank you. Before I make a

3:21:30motion, if I could just get help with it

3:21:32from the attorney's office and the

3:21:34resolution number, is it the same?

3:21:3527-00005.

3:21:39>> Uh, that'll actually be from our office.

3:21:41Um,

3:21:42>> the resolution number is 9492.

3:21:44>> 9492.

3:21:45>> Yes.

3:21:47>> Thank you. Of course. I move to adopt

3:21:49resolution 9492 subject to conformance

3:21:52review by the regional planning

3:21:53commission.

3:21:54>> I'll second with the uh findings that I

3:21:57can make. On findings one through three

3:21:59with the master plan amendment criteria,

3:22:01I can find that the site is located

3:22:02within the foothills neighborhood per

3:22:04the structure plan framework of the

3:22:05Marino master plan. The proposed master

3:22:07plan and zoning amendments are in

3:22:09substantial reforms with the master

3:22:10plan. I further find that large lot land

3:22:12uses appropriate rural and more

3:22:14intensive residential uses at the city

3:22:16to asssure compatibility and incorporate

3:22:18land. It provides opportunities to

3:22:20preserve the rural character of existing

3:22:21neighbor neighborhoods in the city and

3:22:23its sphere of influence. And finally,

3:22:25that the parcel is served by an on-site

3:22:27individual domestic while an on-site

3:22:28individual sewage disposal septic

3:22:30system. No municipal water or sewer

3:22:32extension is proposed or required for

3:22:34uses.

3:22:44>> Vice Mayor,

3:22:45>> yes, we have a motion and a second. All

3:22:47those in favor say I. I.

3:22:49>> Any opposed?

3:22:50>> Opposed.

3:22:52>> Motion passes.

3:22:58Um, item D3.

3:23:00Can I get the bill number for that one

3:23:03before I make a motion?

3:23:07>> 7344.

3:23:11>> On item D3, I move to refer bill 7344

3:23:14for a second reading and adoption.

3:23:16>> Second. I'll also note for the record

3:23:18that I can make findings with regard to

3:23:20the zoning map amendment criteria. All

3:23:22zoning map amendments must meet approval

3:23:25criteria identified in section

3:23:2618.08.304E

3:23:29and I find specifically that uh the

3:23:32amendment together with the change

3:23:33components of the title promotes and

3:23:34does not conflict with the provisions of

3:23:36Nevada law. The site is located again in

3:23:38the neighborhood the foothill

3:23:39neighborhood per the structure plan and

3:23:41the proposed master plan and zoning

3:23:42amendments are substantial conformance

3:23:44with that master plan. I'll also say

3:23:46that the downzoning between the um LR uh

3:23:51makes for promotion and conservation of

3:23:53open space and protection of other

3:23:54natural scenic resources from from

3:23:56impairment. And lastly, that they will

3:23:59conform to um any necessary population

3:24:02plan if required by Nevada law.

3:24:08>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. All

3:24:09those in favor say I.

3:24:11>> I. Any opposed?

3:24:14Motion passes.

3:24:18With that, we'll move on to agenda item

3:24:20F1 or ordinance adoption. Send it over

3:24:23to you, Mr. Hoff.

3:24:27Ordinance adoption. Ordinance number

3:24:296750.

3:24:32Case number LDC 26-00108

3:24:36Lighthouse Sierra SPD. Ordinance to

3:24:38amend title 18, chapter 18.02 02 of the

3:24:41Reno Municipal Code entitled zoning

3:24:43reszoning a plus or minus 3.03 acre

3:24:46parcel from large lot residential to

3:24:49specific plan district. The parcel is

3:24:51located on the west side of Talbot Lane,

3:24:53575 ft south of South McCarron Boulevard

3:24:57and has a master plan land use

3:24:58designation of suburban mixed use. Move

3:25:01to adopt.

3:25:03>> Second.

3:25:04>> Thank you. Before we take the motion,

3:25:05I'll just double check to see if there

3:25:06are any public comment on this item.

3:25:08>> There is none.

3:25:10Okay, we have a motion and a second. All

3:25:12those in favor say I. I.

3:25:14>> I.

3:25:15>> Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously.

3:25:19Thank you. We'll move on to F2 ordinance

3:25:23adoption. Mr. Hall.

3:25:26>> Thank you, Mr. Vice Mayor. Ordinance

3:25:27adoption. Ordinance number 6751, case

3:25:30number LDC 26-000090

3:25:34North Virginia Street, zoning map

3:25:36amendment. A request has been made for a

3:25:38zoning map amendment on a 16.78

3:25:43acre parcel from mixeduse suburban to

3:25:45mixed employment. The site is located

3:25:48east of its intersection with North

3:25:49Virginia Street and Wellington Way and

3:25:51has a master plan land use designation

3:25:53of mixed employment ward four.

3:25:57>> Thank you. Is there any public comments

3:25:58on this item, Madam Clerk?

3:25:59>> There is none.

3:26:01>> Great. Are there any comments or

3:26:02questions? If not, I'll look for a

3:26:03motion.

3:26:04>> I'll also move

3:26:06Second.

3:26:07>> We have a motion and a second. All those

3:26:09in favor say I. I.

3:26:10>> I.

3:26:11>> Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously.

3:26:15>> Madame clerk. I was not I did not vote.

3:26:22>> Okay. With that, we will move on to our

3:26:23G items. Uh this is a appointment to the

3:26:26Turkey Meadows Regional Planning

3:26:28Commission.

3:26:29>> Mr. Vice Mayor, I'll move to appoint Jan

3:26:31McKenzie and Shawn McCoy.

3:26:36Okay, we have a motion.

3:26:38>> Uh,

3:26:38>> can I ask which one to the full term and

3:26:40which to the partial?

3:26:41>> Uh, Jan McKenzie to the full term and

3:26:44Sean McCoy to the partial.

3:26:46>> Thank you.

3:26:48>> I'll second. So, we have a motion and a

3:26:50second. All those in favor say I.

3:26:52>> I.

3:26:52>> I.

3:26:54>> Any opposed?

3:26:56>> I'm sorry. I heard yes.

3:26:57>> Okay. Motion passes. Unless you need a

3:27:00roll call.

3:27:02>> Yes. Sorry, I just didn't hear Council

3:27:03Member Derer. Yes, she I voted yes and I

3:27:06wanted to make a comment as well.

3:27:07>> Okay,

3:27:08>> go ahead.

3:27:09>> Okay, I just wanted to say um you know I

3:27:12know Jan McKenzie um as out in the real

3:27:15world separate from this but I can speak

3:27:18to Shawn McCoy who worked on my NAB was

3:27:21a member of my NAB was chair of my NAB

3:27:23is doing apparently a great job on the

3:27:25planning commission and I really

3:27:27appreciated um both of these

3:27:29recommendations.

3:27:31>> So thank you.

3:27:32>> I'll call you All right.

3:27:38>> Okay. Council comments, right, Madam

3:27:41Clerk? I think that's the next item.

3:27:43>> Correct.

3:27:43>> Great. I'll look to the body to see if

3:27:45there are any comments from anybody they

3:27:47like to put on the record.

3:27:50Council member Eber, do you have

3:27:51anything on this item?

3:27:54>> No. Thank you.

3:27:56>> Of course. With that, we will move on to

3:27:59our redevelopment agency. Madam clerk,

3:28:01if you can help us with roll call on the

3:28:03redevelopment agency board.

3:28:08>> Uh, member Taylor

3:28:09>> here,

3:28:10>> member Derer here, vice chair Martinez

3:28:13>> here,

3:28:13>> member Eert

3:28:15>> here,

3:28:16>> member Reese

3:28:17>> here,

3:28:18>> member Anderson

3:28:19>> here, and Chair Shivi is absent. You do

3:28:21have a quorum.

3:28:22>> Thank you. I know there was no changes

3:28:24to the agenda for um city council, but

3:28:29just looking at you, city manager, to

3:28:31see if there are any changes on the

3:28:32revealing.

3:28:33>> None. Thank you.

3:28:34>> Move to approve the agenda as posted.

3:28:37>> Second.

3:28:38>> Oh, great. Thank you so much. With that,

3:28:39we have a

3:28:40>> We do have public comment on this.

3:28:42>> Thank you so much. I appreciate that.

3:28:43[laughter]

3:28:44>> No problem.

3:28:44>> Before we move on, we'll do public

3:28:46comment.

3:28:46>> Emerson Elliott

3:28:53Hey guys, uh Emerson Elliott here with

3:28:55the Elk Foundation and uh just wanted to

3:28:59sit in I had a I was going to comment

3:29:00afterward. I was going to hopefully sit

3:29:02in the whole meeting, but uh I got to go

3:29:04do nurse duty for the pregnant wife. So,

3:29:06um I just mainly wanted to introduce

3:29:08myself to each one of you guys. We are

3:29:10currently in bid for I know it's not on

3:29:12today's agenda uh for 264 Keystone. So,

3:29:16uh, just wanted to introduce myself, say

3:29:18hi, and, um, I know you guys are

3:29:21passionate about the community and what

3:29:23you the organs that you guys are working

3:29:24with, and if there's any of them that

3:29:26need help fundraising, I know there's a

3:29:28whole bunch of stuff with the fires

3:29:29lately, but, we would love to help them

3:29:31out uh, any of the way that we can. So,

3:29:34that's it.

3:29:35>> Thank you so much.

3:29:38>> There's no one else signed in.

3:29:41>> Thank you. With that, I will seek that

3:29:43motion again for the

3:29:44>> renewed my motion.

3:29:45>> Second.

3:29:46>> Thank you. We have a motion, a second.

3:29:47All those in favor say I.

3:29:48>> I.

3:29:49>> I. Any opposed? Motion passes

3:29:51unanimously.

3:29:53>> Uh with that, we'll look for an approval

3:29:54of the minutes for our A5 item.

3:29:58>> Motion to

3:29:59>> second. We have a motion, a second. All

3:30:01those in favor say I.

3:30:02>> I. I.

3:30:03>> I. Any opposed?

3:30:05>> Motion passes unanimously.

3:30:09We'll move on to our consent agenda. Are

3:30:11there any items anybody would like to

3:30:12pull off?

3:30:14>> I I have one.

3:30:15>> Yeah, council member.

3:30:16>> Um I I would just like to learn a little

3:30:18bit more about before which is about the

3:30:21catalyst project assistance program and

3:30:27you know what we were actually planning

3:30:28there if we could.

3:30:30>> Okay.

3:30:31>> Move to approve all the remaining

3:30:32consent agenda items except for B4.

3:30:35>> Second.

3:30:36>> We have a motion and a second. All those

3:30:37in favor say I.

3:30:38>> I.

3:30:39>> I. Any opposed?

3:30:41>> Motion passes. With that, we'll go to

3:30:43item B4.

3:30:50>> Looks like there's a few staff members

3:30:52coming up. We'll

3:30:53>> Okay.

3:30:53>> Give it to you. Council member Der, do

3:30:55you have initial questions, comments, or

3:30:57just an overview?

3:30:58>> We talked a lot about a variety of

3:31:00things in a briefing in our council

3:31:02briefing, but I wasn't sure um what this

3:31:06particular one was about. So, if you

3:31:08could just refresh us.

3:31:09>> Yep. Uh, thank you for the question.

3:31:10Brian McCarl, uh, revitalization manager

3:31:12for the record. So, over the last few

3:31:14months, we've had conversations about

3:31:16updating our tax increment participation

3:31:18program, uh, and making some changes

3:31:21and, uh, modifying the processes in the

3:31:23eligibility so we can modernize it. The

3:31:25last time we did that was when we

3:31:27created our TIFF program in August of

3:31:292024. Um, so through

3:31:31>> It sounds odd to be talking about

3:31:32modernizing something that was just two

3:31:34years ago. Yes, we've learned a lot in

3:31:36those two years. It does feel like a

3:31:38long time. Uh and so at in the June 15th

3:31:41RAB meeting, we took a a lot. I think

3:31:43there were 41 potential changes, right?

3:31:46>> Reviewed that with the RAB, got some uh

3:31:48suggested changes and then we brought it

3:31:50before this body at the end of July uh

3:31:52to review those changes. Um what this

3:31:54resolution does is is memorialize a lot

3:31:57of those updates and changes so that we

3:31:59can um mo uh update our program guide

3:32:02and we can give developers when they

3:32:04come in. How does the program work?

3:32:05>> All right. So when you're talking

3:32:06catalyst project, I thought that

3:32:08catalyst project was for your biggest

3:32:10projects.

3:32:11>> It is.

3:32:11>> So do these only apply to those or do

3:32:14these apply uniformly?

3:32:15>> Nope. So the difference between uh the

3:32:17TIFF participation and the catalyst is

3:32:20probably 95% the same. When a catalyst

3:32:22project, it's usually, we say, about $50

3:32:24million or more in new investment.

3:32:27>> It's more of a uh impactful project. It

3:32:30could be a shopping center, power

3:32:32center, it could be multi-phase

3:32:34development, it could be an arena, uh it

3:32:36could be a corporate research park,

3:32:38something like that. Uh and it's very

3:32:40nuanced. And the ability with the

3:32:43catalyst is they can capture increment

3:32:45beyond just the project site. Meaning it

3:32:48has it creates value beyond just their

3:32:50parcel lines. So if it needs additional

3:32:52funds on top of what they create on the

3:32:55parcel, we have the ability to do that.

3:32:57>> Okay. So, let me ask you. We had a

3:32:59discussion back when we were it was in

3:33:02the summer where we a person came in and

3:33:05they wanted to build I think it was

3:33:07apartments and they in fact low-income

3:33:09apartments and I think that they said

3:33:12their project wasn't going to throw off

3:33:14enough increment during the seven years

3:33:16remaining and could they get more than

3:33:19they were going to generate? Is that

3:33:20what this is about? um

3:33:22>> or one of the things

3:33:23>> that is one of the things that is on the

3:33:24tax increment participation program. So

3:33:26what would be

3:33:28>> what would we if we vote yes what would

3:33:30we be saying for that kind of example?

3:33:32>> Uh what we in that example specifically

3:33:34it would be if a project is being

3:33:37proposed in an area that is sunsetting

3:33:39and that there are not enough years left

3:33:41to make that project financially

3:33:43feasible.

3:33:43>> Yeah. you do have the ability to on a

3:33:45case- by case basis add supplemental

3:33:48funds from the redevelopment agency

3:33:49budget to make that project financially

3:33:52>> so it's not automatic but it gives the

3:33:53opportunity to do it where before we

3:33:55weren't sure like if that was kosher so

3:33:57to speak

3:33:58>> that is correct

3:33:58>> and then what did the RAB uh recommend

3:34:01on that

3:34:02>> uh they did recommend as I just

3:34:04mentioned on a case by case basis there

3:34:06are few years left uh it can be

3:34:08considered that they get additional or

3:34:10supplemental

3:34:11>> increment and have we defined few years

3:34:13left.

3:34:16>> We have not. If if it just shows when we

3:34:18do a a gap analysis and it says that

3:34:20it'll take 10 years for this project to

3:34:23pay and you only have seven years left,

3:34:24then that therein lies the challenge.

3:34:26>> Okay. But what if you had 15 years left?

3:34:30Is that considered close to the end? In

3:34:32other words, I just wondered if you go

3:34:35back 20 years. I mean, they're saying it

3:34:36won't even pay off in 20 years. You

3:34:38know, I just wondered where the cut off

3:34:39is. Um, typically most TIFF deals 10

3:34:43years is usually the sweet spot. Okay.

3:34:45>> Uh, if a project requires more than 10

3:34:47years, uh, it can be challenging.

3:34:50>> Okay. And then of the other 40 items,

3:34:54was there anything in your mind that was

3:34:55particularly unique or controversial or

3:34:58the bigger like certainly some things

3:35:01stand out here? Uh, one of the bigger

3:35:03ones is just if a project has started

3:35:05construction, uh, and they seek tiff

3:35:07funds, uh, the way the redevelopment law

3:35:09states is, um, it was assumed when that

3:35:12project started that you had the

3:35:13financing needed to to commence

3:35:15construction. You can't come back later

3:35:17to ask for

3:35:18>> no retroactive.

3:35:19>> Correct.

3:35:20>> So, if you got started, but then we have

3:35:22this option. You go, "Oh, I'd like to

3:35:24apply."

3:35:25>> We're saying no. You you already had a

3:35:27standalone a project that stood on its

3:35:29own two feet. You didn't need us. and

3:35:31and that's like now would be taken off

3:35:34the table with these changes. And is

3:35:36there any other one that you want to

3:35:38talk to us about?

3:35:38>> Not that I'd like to mention. I think

3:35:40those were mainly the two bigger ones.

3:35:41Uh we did make a note on obsolescence to

3:35:44take obsolescence uh into account when

3:35:46we do our tiff projections which is when

3:35:48we model out the future property tax uh

3:35:51if the uh owner of the property does

3:35:53claim obsolescence it just changes the

3:35:56tax structure. So we made

3:35:57>> and what does Can I make a Yes. Thank

3:35:59you, Council Member Der. I think it's

3:36:01really important that we get on the

3:36:02record exactly what that is and why you

3:36:04are making that recommended change

3:36:06please. So can you provide a brief

3:36:08tutorial?

3:36:08>> Thank you. Uh obsolescence if you didn't

3:36:10know. So we have two unique things. We

3:36:12have three unique things in Nevada

3:36:13property tax. We depreciate our

3:36:15properties.

3:36:16>> Uh we have a property tax cap and then

3:36:18the third one is due to Marshall and

3:36:20Swift. It's an assessment platform um

3:36:23that if a project uh either has vacancy

3:36:27or their operating numbers are

3:36:29different, they can go to the assessor

3:36:30and seek obsolescence, meaning they get

3:36:32their property tax written down.

3:36:34>> Okay?

3:36:34>> Um based on the market value of their

3:36:38real property. Um and so the challenge

3:36:42is when they ask that it reduces the

3:36:43property tax that may we may have been

3:36:45counting on to do deals. Uh so with this

3:36:49change is we can account for

3:36:51obsolescence or we can tell a project if

3:36:54you take our funds and support this

3:36:55project you cannot claim obsolescence in

3:36:57the future because this is the project

3:36:59that we modeled. That's that's great.

3:37:00>> And if I can add to that just to to

3:37:02really drive home the point here because

3:37:04it is a pain point is that what happens

3:37:07is is if there is a business that has

3:37:10lost money then they take the loss in

3:37:12the form against their property tax then

3:37:15they also depreciate the value of the

3:37:17property and then they are also limited

3:37:20by how much the property tax bill can

3:37:23increase on a yearly basis. We didn't

3:37:25[snorts] want that company to also get

3:37:29TIFF because then that felt like it was

3:37:32I don't know quadruple dipping,

3:37:34>> right?

3:37:34>> So, uh it it is kind of a it's a real

3:37:38impact to local revenues and we thought

3:37:42this was a great fix to prevent it from

3:37:45further hitting

3:37:46>> our impacts.

3:37:47>> That makes a lot of sense. I'm glad you

3:37:48guys caught that because I would have

3:37:49called it quadruple dipping also and I

3:37:53don't think that's the purpose of the

3:37:54program, right? So, I appreciate the

3:37:57explanation. Really appreciate the time.

3:37:59I know we've talked about it, but it's

3:38:01very hard for us as council to

3:38:03understand the impact of 41 changes to a

3:38:07program and understand is that to the

3:38:09positive, the negative, how does it

3:38:11affect four years from now? We're going

3:38:13to be living with that and saying, "Oh

3:38:14my gosh, why did we do that?" We didn't

3:38:16understand the impact of that thing. I

3:38:19still can't claim I understand all 41,

3:38:21but I am, you know, I appreciate the

3:38:24RABS diving in and making a

3:38:26recommendation.

3:38:28Thank you.

3:38:31>> Council member Eert.

3:38:35>> What's that?

3:38:35>> Council member Eert has her hand up. I

3:38:37just want to go to her before we

3:38:39>> look for a motion.

3:38:40>> Yeah. Um

3:38:43I know that there has been some

3:38:46questions about um the use of prevailing

3:38:50wage um with the um

3:38:57um tied to to uh financing or funding.

3:39:03Um has there been changes made to um how

3:39:10that's written into contracts. Um, has

3:39:13there been efforts made with um local

3:39:17unions to modify how that's written or

3:39:20business owners or um you know, now that

3:39:25we've had um

3:39:28a TIFF financed project or you know, not

3:39:32quite yet, but eventually um has there

3:39:36been any changes to that portion of the

3:39:41um the process? Yes,

3:39:44>> thank you for the question, council

3:39:45member. Um, in redevelopment law, there

3:39:48has always been a provision that

3:39:49projects that receive more than 100,000

3:39:51in funding from the redevelopment agency

3:39:54uh need to incorporate prevailing wage

3:39:57into their projects. Um, it has always

3:39:59been written in there. The past projects

3:40:00have had that clause written in. Uh what

3:40:03we've done to update this current

3:40:04program is make it crystal clear in not

3:40:06only the program description but also

3:40:08the application that they are

3:40:10acknowledging once again that these

3:40:11project must be prevailing wage. Um so

3:40:13it's not that we really change much is

3:40:15that we're just making it very crystal

3:40:17clear and requiring a little bit more

3:40:19acknowledgement from the applicants that

3:40:21this is a requirement uh from receiving

3:40:23these funds.

3:40:25>> Okay. Is there anything any language in

3:40:28there that talks about the timing of

3:40:30using um

3:40:34prevailing wage? Is there any um

3:40:39you know are we allowed to say anything

3:40:40about that? Um

3:40:44is you know was there any modification

3:40:46to that?

3:40:47>> Uh no what it what it references there

3:40:49is a NRS that is that outlines all

3:40:52prevailing wage. I think it's NRS 338.

3:40:55Um, and so what it says is that when

3:40:57when you receive funds and we do a deal,

3:41:01uh, the project must comply with that

3:41:03NRS. Uh, and you can go through and read

3:41:06all the requirements of that RS. It's

3:41:08it's quite lengthy. Um, but it's clearly

3:41:10stated the requirements on on how to be

3:41:13in compliance with that that statute,

3:41:15those statutes.

3:41:16>> Okay. So, if somebody submitted an

3:41:18application, got approved, but then did

3:41:21not use prevailing wage, what would be

3:41:24the outcome? Presumably,

3:41:27>> uh, they would not be in compliance with

3:41:29the with the agreement um between the

3:41:31redevelopment agency and the and the

3:41:33applicant.

3:41:35>> Okay. Thank you.

3:41:41>> Are there any other comments or

3:41:42questions? Now look for a motion on the

3:41:44item

3:41:46to

3:41:46>> approve.

3:41:47>> Second.

3:41:48>> We have a motion and a second. All those

3:41:50in favor say I.

3:41:51>> I.

3:41:51>> I. Any opposed?

3:41:54>> Motion passes.

3:41:58Thank you. Thank you. With that, we'll

3:41:59move on to our C item,

3:42:02discussion and potential approval of an

3:42:04owner participation agreement with Cold

3:42:06Water Capital LLC

3:42:10for tax increment financing on 521 Lake

3:42:13Street.

3:42:15Mr. Ricardo, is this you?

3:42:16>> This is me.

3:42:17>> Perfect.

3:42:18>> Once again, Brian Maro, rev

3:42:20revitalization manager. Um, council

3:42:22members, you may uh recall this project.

3:42:25This was one we brought forward in early

3:42:27June. Uh, Council Member Der, this is

3:42:29the project you were referencing that we

3:42:30could not make happen with the current

3:42:32um, program rules that we had. Uh, so

3:42:35this this applicant is before you all

3:42:37again today. Uh, we've received a tax

3:42:39increment financing assistance request

3:42:41from Cold Water Capital uh, for their

3:42:44project at 521 Lake Street to build uh,

3:42:46attainable workforce housing. Um, so

3:42:49this may be a reminder of what we

3:42:51haven't changed much. uh the mechanics

3:42:53of the deal are pretty much the same,

3:42:54but now that that resolution has been

3:42:56passed, we do have the ability to give

3:42:58them supplemental funding to make this

3:43:00project financially feasible.

3:43:03So, just to uh remind you all of the

3:43:05project again, uh Cold Water Capital, we

3:43:08do have the applicant here, uh Mitch

3:43:09Morris is here in the audience uh and is

3:43:11welcome to answer any questions. I've

3:43:13incorporated most of their elements into

3:43:14this presentation, so you don't have to

3:43:16sit through two presentations. Uh, but

3:43:18they're proposing 107 workforce housing

3:43:20units right on Lake Street. The average

3:43:22rent is $1,270

3:43:24a month. That gets them around the

3:43:27sub60% AMI range. Um, but this is not a

3:43:30traditional affordable housing project,

3:43:32meaning that they're not taking the

3:43:33federal LITC. They're not going out of

3:43:35after volume cap. They're not working

3:43:37with the housing authorities. Uh, we

3:43:39would call this a naturally occurring

3:43:40affordable project, meaning uh this is

3:43:43this is a market project, but their

3:43:45rents are at the affordable range. um or

3:43:48you could call it an attainable

3:43:49workforce housing project. Average unit

3:43:51size is size is about 400 square feet,

3:43:53but is and it is also a very dense

3:43:55project. It has a floor to area ratio of

3:43:57about four. Um there is no parking on

3:44:00site, but these this is a a very dense

3:44:02site um and micro units. And it also is

3:44:06near some transit. Uh we could call this

3:44:07transit oriented development. It's right

3:44:09near the bus station, uh the train

3:44:11station, also very close to the freeway.

3:44:14The total project cost is about $24

3:44:16million. Of the $24 million, 18 of that

3:44:20is hard construction costs. And the

3:44:22reason why I call that out is because

3:44:23that's how we create the tax increment

3:44:25on a project. It's not the overall

3:44:27project. It's about how much is it to

3:44:28build the actual building. So, it's

3:44:30about $18 million. If this project gets

3:44:32built at that price, uh it'll generate

3:44:34about $212,000

3:44:37annually that would come to the

3:44:39redevelopment agency directly. So, that

3:44:41is the tax increment on an annual basis.

3:44:45to showcase the the the location. So,

3:44:48the site is just north of the Reno Event

3:44:50Center, just south of the new University

3:44:52Village. It is right across the street

3:44:54from the Reno Regency. Um, the lot I is

3:44:57is underdeveloped, uh, vacant and

3:45:00blighted. That's the picture on your

3:45:01right. I think the last time it had

3:45:03anything on it was 2004, so we're

3:45:04talking 22 years ago.

3:45:07And this is the massing of the project,

3:45:09the proposed development. Um, I'll

3:45:11mention Cold Water has done other

3:45:12projects like this, um, specifically in

3:45:14Utah, Arizona, and Idaho. They've done

3:45:17about 20 of those, and they currently

3:45:18have eight other projects like this. So,

3:45:20this is kind of their sweet spot of

3:45:22these, um, micro micro developments. Um,

3:45:25and you would assume $400 is 400 square

3:45:28feet is kind of small, but I'll assure

3:45:30you that they do have all the amenities

3:45:31that you seek in a in a typical

3:45:33apartment. um full bathrooms, kitchens,

3:45:36uh living units. And just to give an

3:45:38example of the type of development, this

3:45:40is their bookbinder apartment in Salt

3:45:42Lake City. So, it would be a similar

3:45:45project.

3:45:47When we do propose a project, uh the

3:45:50board has to decide that it that there

3:45:52is a public benefit um to receive these

3:45:55funds. So, the public benefit here is

3:45:56they are providing 107 units of

3:45:58attainable workforce housing. I'll note

3:46:00that this is the housing this is the

3:46:02city's um housing needs assessment chart

3:46:05right here. Uh the the red star is right

3:46:07where this uh project fits. So it is in

3:46:09the lowincome household range. Uh I

3:46:12would say less than 60% AMI, which means

3:46:15that somebody making 60% of the area

3:46:18median income can afford to live in

3:46:20these um these units without being

3:46:22housing burdened. Uh this project also

3:46:25removes a vacant blighted site. Uh there

3:46:27will be job creation through the

3:46:29construction. Residential growth is one

3:46:31priority. Uh and lastly, it does

3:46:33increase the tax base not only for the

3:46:34city, for other municipalities, but also

3:46:36for the redevelopment agency. Um also

3:46:38note that with that housing assessment,

3:46:40it was identified that we need 7,000

3:46:42housing units in that affordability in

3:46:44that workforce housing range. Um this is

3:46:46only a drop in the bucket, but it does

3:46:48get us close to meeting that need.

3:46:50Uh just to summarize how the property

3:46:53tax works out right now, uh undeveloped

3:46:56as it is, this project, this property

3:46:58generates around $3,700 a year in annual

3:47:02property tax. What does the city of Reno

3:47:05general fund receive in that? They

3:47:06receive about $366 a year from this

3:47:09property. That's about it. If the site

3:47:11doesn't get developed, it will continue

3:47:13to generate that $366 to the city's

3:47:16general fund on an annual basis. After

3:47:19this project is developed, uh, it goes

3:47:21from paying 3,00 $3,700 a year in annual

3:47:25property tax to 270,000, which is a lot.

3:47:28Um, I told you that 212,000 of that goes

3:47:30to the redevelopment agency. Where's the

3:47:32other uh 56,000 go? It actually goes to

3:47:35ballot initiatives for animal shelter,

3:47:38for fire service, uh, um, apparatus, uh,

3:47:41school debt fund. there are carveouts

3:47:43that the that were approved uh in the

3:47:45legislature and through ballot

3:47:46initiatives that are um ineligible for

3:47:49the redevelopment agency to receive. So

3:47:51this will create 56,000 in new funds

3:47:53that goes that go to those other uh

3:47:56taxing entities. Um after 30 2035 when

3:48:00the redevelopment agency 2 area 2 is set

3:48:02to sunset, the city of Reno general fund

3:48:04will probably likely receive $61,000 in

3:48:07annual property tax from this

3:48:09development.

3:48:11So when we do receive an application, we

3:48:13go out and we do a buff for analysis

3:48:14that says that uh does this project need

3:48:17the funds from the redevelopment agency.

3:48:19Uh and SB Freeman did that report and it

3:48:22did note that this project will not

3:48:25proceed but for redevelopment agency

3:48:27participation. They did identify that

3:48:29there is a financing gap of $3.1 million

3:48:31to make this project pencil. Uh the

3:48:34challenge is through 2035 when the

3:48:36agency when the area 2 sunsets it can

3:48:38only generate about $1.8 8 million. So

3:48:41this project needs 3.1 million. It's

3:48:43only going to generate through 2035 1.8

3:48:45million. So how do we fill that

3:48:48remaining gap? Um and this is to get

3:48:51them to receive or to generate um

3:48:56benchmark financial returns that a bank

3:48:58will fund this project. If if you can't

3:49:01fill the gap, the banks will see it as

3:49:03too risky. They won't fund the project.

3:49:05The project never gets built. So the

3:49:07real number we're trying to fill here is

3:49:093.1 million, but we're limited. So with

3:49:12few years left in the RDA, uh the the

3:49:14tax the our ability to uh fund this

3:49:18through tax increment alone is limited.

3:49:20Uh this project is not feasible with

3:49:21just the increment created. And so what

3:49:23we're requesting or what we're proposing

3:49:26is not only will they receive 100% of

3:49:28the annual increment through the end of

3:49:30RDA2, which is in 2035, but also receive

3:49:33supplemental annual payments. We're

3:49:35guessing around $186,000 through 2035.

3:49:38This will get this project built. Uh,

3:49:40and I will note here that if this was a

3:49:43market rate project and they were

3:49:45charging normal market rents, the gap

3:49:47wouldn't be as tall as as big. Does that

3:49:49make sense? If they were charging the

3:49:51typical $1,700 a month in rent, which is

3:49:54what most apartments now, this gap

3:49:56wouldn't be as large because this

3:49:57project is so affordable. The gap is a

3:49:59bit bigger.

3:50:01The RA, and this is my last slide, so I

3:50:02apologize. The RAB recommendation, it

3:50:05was lengthy and I'll just run through

3:50:06these, is that the RAB recommended that

3:50:08this project receive 100% of the

3:50:10incrementing created through the end of

3:50:12uh 2035, which should be about 1.8

3:50:14million. Uh that the redevelopment

3:50:17agency provide supplemental assistance

3:50:19of up to $1.3 million that will be

3:50:22spread equally in annual installments

3:50:24after the project is completed. So they

3:50:26don't get any money up front. This

3:50:28project has to be construction has to be

3:50:30completed. Um, if RDA2 is extended, uh,

3:50:34the supplemental assistance will stop

3:50:36and we'll just use the anc annual

3:50:37increment to keep paying them until we

3:50:39hit that $3.1 million gap that was

3:50:42identified. Um, there is a caveat that

3:50:44this project must be uh must maintain

3:50:47their workforce housing rents through

3:50:49the end of the agreement. Um,

3:50:53they're not guaranteed to receive the

3:50:54annual supplement. It's in our annual

3:50:57budget every year. So it it's based on

3:50:59if we have the funds available. Uh and

3:51:01then the last one is if their

3:51:02construction costs come in lower, we

3:51:04have the ability to uh if their

3:51:06construction costs come in 5% less, we

3:51:08have the ability to tune down our

3:51:10assistance by also 5% less. So those are

3:51:12the recommendations of the RAP. And this

3:51:15is the motion and I apologize it's a

3:51:17lengthy one, but we do have some um

3:51:20statements to comply with NRS. Uh so uh

3:51:24if we can read if if this motion goes

3:51:26through if we could read it as uh as

3:51:28written that will get us the findings

3:51:30needed to proceed.

3:51:32>> Thank you Mr. Ricardo. Council member

3:51:34Ree.

3:51:34>> Thank you so much Mr. Micardo. Thank you

3:51:36for the presentation. Um so number one I

3:51:39have been a proponent of this project. I

3:51:41think it's a good one and um I want to

3:51:44just make sure that I am understanding

3:51:46it and also because it is new to us

3:51:48what's being asked. I want to be able to

3:51:50have a conversation with my colleagues

3:51:52about it. So don't take my inquiry as

3:51:55negativity. It's more about

3:51:56understanding the contours of what we're

3:51:59doing as redevelopment agency board. So

3:52:01the first one is about how to understand

3:52:04the guarantee that if we commit

3:52:07resources to the project that it it

3:52:09stays in that affordable range. Like

3:52:11what prevents the developer once it's

3:52:13built and a year into it from saying oh

3:52:16the economy is doing awesome. uh we want

3:52:19to make some bukhu bucks and we're going

3:52:21to raise the rent from what you've

3:52:22identified as I think a very affordable

3:52:25um number. Um what prevents that from

3:52:28happening? Why can't they just say okay

3:52:30we're two years into it and now we want

3:52:33to monetize it and get the big bucks. Um

3:52:36you know we have a lot of projects when

3:52:38we do the different kinds of grant

3:52:40layered funding that we make conditions

3:52:42that they keep it in affordability

3:52:43component for a 30-year period. Right?

3:52:46Because what we don't want is housing to

3:52:47fall off that because then it's always

3:52:50turning over the housing that we have

3:52:51and we've gone to great lengths to

3:52:53continue those existing units in

3:52:55perpetuity as an affordable project. So

3:52:58while this is naturally occurring

3:52:59because of density and the nature of the

3:53:01units, how do we ensure that it doesn't

3:53:04become something else later and who

3:53:07monitors it?

3:53:08>> Yep. Uh thank you for the question. Uh

3:53:10so there as proposed uh there would be a

3:53:14requirement that they maintain that

3:53:16workforce housing. Um there would be

3:53:18some compliance on our side to make sure

3:53:20that they're meeting with that meeting

3:53:22that requirement. Uh if at any point,

3:53:25and this is written in here, if at any

3:53:27point they no longer offer those

3:53:28affordable rents, we would stop paying

3:53:30the the increment back to them. And we

3:53:33also have the ability to claw back any

3:53:34past paid uh increment. So if they uh

3:53:37get out of compliance and start as you

3:53:39say start charging market rents uh the

3:53:41payments would stop and we could

3:53:42actually claw back any payments done in

3:53:44the past.

3:53:44>> And and which of our department

3:53:46specifically is monitoring that hand is

3:53:48doing like an annual audit.

3:53:50>> Uh since um since it is our agreement it

3:53:53would likely be up to us. Uh so on an

3:53:55annual basis we'll likely uh we don't

3:53:58want to get too much there is a

3:53:59requirement risk. So you don't have

3:54:00staffing and resources to do that. But

3:54:02it would be um our responsibility to

3:54:04make sure that they are still in

3:54:06compliance with that requirement.

3:54:08>> Okay. And then and this may not be the

3:54:11last part I want to touch on that but I

3:54:12understand your answer. Explain to me

3:54:14the supplemental assistant portion of it

3:54:17because we're going out to the

3:54:18legislature in the after the first of

3:54:20the year and seeking the decision of and

3:54:23our cooperation from our legislature to

3:54:25extend the redevelopment agency. And so

3:54:28this seems um sort of the bridge between

3:54:31those two things. You're saying that for

3:54:32the remaining period of the life of the

3:54:34redevelopment agency as it's now

3:54:36constituted, it will receive payments

3:54:39that will sort of decrease the amount

3:54:43owed on the $3.1 or so million dollars

3:54:45in TIFF related stuff. But if the

3:54:48legislature and their infinite wisdom

3:54:49does not do it, then the redevelopment

3:54:52agency is going to take on that burden

3:54:54and we're going to issue supplemental

3:54:56dollars. Correct. Uh so just to

3:54:59summarize um what we're stating is this

3:55:03project needs and our financial

3:55:04consultant has told us this project

3:55:06needs $3.1 million to uh in commitments

3:55:09to break ground and build the project.

3:55:11So that's really what we're trying to

3:55:12achieve. If we had future if we had 15

3:55:1520 years left in RDA2 um this project

3:55:18would likely take 13 years to to pay off

3:55:21in their annual [snorts] increment. We

3:55:22only have about eight nine years left.

3:55:24So, we're trying to make we're trying to

3:55:25hit that 3.1 million gap. Um, and so to

3:55:29do that, it would require supplemental

3:55:31assistance on top of the increment they

3:55:33create. If the area gets extended, um,

3:55:36we would stop providing that

3:55:38supplemental assistance and we would

3:55:39just keep collect we would reimburse

3:55:42them their annual increment through

3:55:43those future years so that we hit that

3:55:45$3 million. Once we hit that $3 million,

3:55:47we're not required to give them any

3:55:49additional assistance. On top of that,

3:55:51>> what if the redevelopment agency does

3:55:52not have funds in it to make the

3:55:54payment?

3:55:55>> Um, that would be that is a risk. Uh,

3:55:58and as it says in here, it's it's up in

3:56:00the annual budget to provide that

3:56:02supplemental assistance. I think on an

3:56:03annual basis, you'll have our any debt

3:56:05that we pay off will get be paid off

3:56:07first. Then you have any obligations

3:56:09such as the ballpark commitment of $1

3:56:11million. You'd have to meet those

3:56:12obligations. Uh and then this would come

3:56:15in third in line to to sort of be a

3:56:18financial obligation that the agency

3:56:20would have to pay. Uh because RDA2 is

3:56:23generating so much increment, we do not

3:56:24see much risk in committing to the

3:56:27186,000 a year uh through 2035.

3:56:35>> Council Der.

3:56:36>> Yeah, thank you. Um thanks for those

3:56:38questions. That helps me reduce my

3:56:40questions for sure. Um, what I wanted to

3:56:43understand is earlier you showed that if

3:56:45the

3:56:47redevelopment agency went away, the city

3:56:49would get 61,000.

3:56:52Could you show that slide again?

3:56:56>> So, but I think there's some confidence

3:56:59that it will get extended

3:57:02and so we wouldn't get the 61,000. I

3:57:04just wanted to be clear. Is that right?

3:57:06Um I I don't have the crystal ball to to

3:57:10sort of view how the legislature will

3:57:13spin out there. There's a lot of things

3:57:14that could change. Uh if the area gets

3:57:16extended yet, potentially uh the the

3:57:19amount that goes into the city's general

3:57:20fund could be reduced. You'd be

3:57:22guaranteed to continue to receive the

3:57:24$366 annually, right?

3:57:26>> Um and again,

3:57:27>> if the RDA gets extended, um the RDA

3:57:30would continue to collect increment and

3:57:32then reinvest it inside the

3:57:33redevelopment area. Um,

3:57:34>> what do you mean reinvested?

3:57:37>> Um, any increment generated within a

3:57:39redevelopment area goes to the

3:57:40redevelopment agency.

3:57:42>> Yeah.

3:57:42>> Reinvested into capital improvements,

3:57:44river.

3:57:44>> I thought you meant they would be able

3:57:46to reinvest it. So, um, what I was

3:57:49wondering was like the ballpark deal

3:57:51where we very grudgingly, I would say,

3:57:55appropriate the million dollars. It's

3:57:57not fun.

3:57:59uh would we it be in a similar situation

3:58:02having to generate was it 186 I I was

3:58:07not clear of the amount

3:58:09>> that we would be potentially on the hook

3:58:10>> depending on when the project gets

3:58:11completed and assessed that's why it's a

3:58:13it's a moving target um but we're

3:58:15guessing about $186,000 it would have to

3:58:18be an appropriation in the annual

3:58:20>> and would that come out of the general

3:58:22fund or the redevelopment fund?

3:58:23>> The redevelopment fund.

3:58:24>> Okay. And then um by doing that that

3:58:28obviously lowers the amount that we have

3:58:30to reinvest, right?

3:58:32>> Yes, it would.

3:58:33>> Okay. And um so I have all that. My

3:58:37biggest question is actually one that um

3:58:40council member Reese led with which is

3:58:43that I understand that they're not a

3:58:45traditional affordable project and

3:58:47they're not getting funding from these

3:58:49various areas but in contra but they are

3:58:53would potentially be getting funding

3:58:54from redevelopment and [snorts] I don't

3:58:56I think it's really important to look at

3:59:00the typical 30-year holding the rents

3:59:04stable. Um, I'm really concerned because

3:59:08if they only hold it 10 years, which I

3:59:10think is what's proposed,

3:59:12uh, that falls back on us. We have to

3:59:14find places for all these people to

3:59:16live. Uh, and when we say we do, they're

3:59:19calling us. They're calling the council

3:59:20members. They're they're in a panic

3:59:22mode. They're calling our staff. Uh,

3:59:24it's just not a good scene to kind of

3:59:26lure people in, get them stable, and

3:59:29then having to be raising the rents

3:59:31significantly to market rate. So my

3:59:34suggestion would be to as part of our

3:59:37quidd proquo like we're giving them

3:59:39money a lot of money three million we

3:59:41would like to see a longer term for the

3:59:44affordability and I would even argue the

3:59:4630 years.

3:59:49So if if we do get to the point of

3:59:50making a motion I I would like to see

3:59:53that in the motion.

3:59:54>> Thank you council member Taylor.

3:59:56>> Thank you. I think um some of my

3:59:58questions have been asked but I just

3:59:59want to get some clarification from me.

4:00:02I think as a policy a policy maker in

4:00:05this we're not this is not a fantastic

4:00:08financial deal for us. We are saying

4:00:10that we are going to subsidize this

4:00:12project because if somebody comes to me

4:00:14and says I have this great project but I

4:00:16can't make it work. I need $3.1 million.

4:00:18Well then I go it's not really that

4:00:19great of a project. So we're the 100% is

4:00:23something that we really haven't done

4:00:24before. Um, so we're going to do that

4:00:27and then an additionally we're going to

4:00:29say we're going to give you $1.3 million

4:00:31as a subsidy out of something else that

4:00:34we could be doing with the redevelopment

4:00:36agency fund and that's going to come out

4:00:38of the fund unless RDA2 is extended and

4:00:42then it'll come out um it'll still come

4:00:44out of RDA which is fine. I understand

4:00:47that. [clears throat] But I think the

4:00:48policy question for me is why would we

4:00:51do it with this project and not other

4:00:53projects? And I don't necessarily want

4:00:54to set precedent for other projects

4:00:56coming in and asking for this. And for

4:00:58me, the answer is because this type of

4:01:02housing is so much needed and it doesn't

4:01:05pencil. You can't you can't make it

4:01:08pencil. But we understand in our

4:01:10community that there is a a real need

4:01:12for this. The city is willing to come in

4:01:15and help make this project go vertical.

4:01:18So that's what I'm looking at from a

4:01:22policy standpoint that we're going to

4:01:24we're going to provide this assistance

4:01:26economically to make this happen. So

4:01:28that's my understanding. I want to

4:01:30understand when it is going to happen,

4:01:32when are they going to go vertical? And

4:01:34then to Councilwoman Der's question, I

4:01:37don't know how we extend something and

4:01:39maybe it can be done based and take it

4:01:42out 20 years longer than the deal that

4:01:44we're looking at. So th those are my two

4:01:46questions. and if I had anything wrong

4:01:48in the policy part, which I'm supportive

4:01:50of because we've said housing is a huge

4:01:53priority for us um in the city of Reno

4:01:56and it doesn't pencil. It's hard to make

4:01:58these kind of deals work, especially

4:02:00without tax credits.

4:02:02>> Yeah. Uh I I'll just note that if if

4:02:04this was a traditional affording

4:02:06affordable housing project, they would

4:02:07go and get LITC funding and volume cap

4:02:10and state law would state would give

4:02:12them an exemption to property tax

4:02:14period. Um so that project in theory

4:02:18would never generate property tax

4:02:20because of the exemptions they get being

4:02:21an affordable housing project. Uh by

4:02:24making this investment and getting this

4:02:25project to be naturally occurring. It

4:02:27will generate property tax as long as it

4:02:29is, you know, vertical. Um and that is

4:02:32the big difference here is this is a way

4:02:34to support affordable housing without

4:02:35making it a true affordable housing

4:02:37project. uh in terms of when they're

4:02:39going to go vertical, I can ask uh Mitch

4:02:41Morris with uh Cold War Capital to just

4:02:43sort of highlight timeline

4:02:45>> sooner rather than later.

4:02:47>> Miss Taylor, though, while he's getting

4:02:49up, can I just ask I mean, isn't one of

4:02:51our goals in the redevelopment agency to

4:02:54create the conditions under which it

4:02:55generates the property tax. So, it's not

4:02:57that it's a bad deal for us today. It

4:03:00may appear that way, but today that

4:03:02property generates $366,

4:03:05but once built would be $61,000,

4:03:08which then allows us to take that over

4:03:10some period of years and do what we

4:03:12would with it.

4:03:13>> Sure. And if we're comparing like

4:03:14affordable housing to attainable

4:03:15housing, that's exactly what I think

4:03:17Brent was.

4:03:18>> Yeah, I see what you're saying.

4:03:20>> Yeah. If to answer your question, Mitch

4:03:22Morris, Cold Water Capital applicant for

4:03:24the record. Um, yes, we're assuming the

4:03:27motion gets approved as it's written

4:03:29there. Um, yeah, design is starting

4:03:31tomorrow and I'm told that Reno has some

4:03:34of the the best permitting timelines in

4:03:37in

4:03:38about the West from what I've heard. So,

4:03:41we we've been very excited and and

4:03:43that's not just from city staff, that's

4:03:45also from other developers in the

4:03:47community. So, with that understanding,

4:03:49I mean, we're a few months out from

4:03:50being able to submit for an initial

4:03:52round of permits to that 70% completion.

4:03:55Um, but yes, we are targeting I mean, we

4:03:57are starting design tomorrow, assuming

4:03:59that that the uh motion is approved.

4:04:02>> So, you're immediately ready to go with

4:04:04design.

4:04:04>> Correct. And then and then 18 to 20

4:04:06Well, 18 months is what it's supposed to

4:04:09be on a on a construction schedule is

4:04:11what the GC will hand you. And and

4:04:12typically, this will end up a little bit

4:04:14closer to 20 21 months. Okay. Thank you.

4:04:17>> So,

4:04:18>> yeah. Thank you.

4:04:20Council member Eert, do you have

4:04:22anything?

4:04:27>> Not at this time. Thank you.

4:04:29>> Great. Um, I'll just jump in there real

4:04:31quick and see if there are any uh of the

4:04:34recommendations that came from the RAB

4:04:36built in to your to the motion or is if

4:04:40we the board desired to add those. Is

4:04:43that something that would have to come

4:04:45as an amendment to the motion that you

4:04:46have posted up?

4:04:47>> The uh the recommended motion is is

4:04:50pretty much the RAB's recommendation uh

4:04:52with one caveat is the RAB recommended

4:04:55that um the assistance be up to $1.3

4:04:57million. Uh and in the final motion, um

4:05:01it's only listed that we have a

4:05:03financial commitment to hit that 3.1

4:05:05million. And the only nuance there is

4:05:07that it really depends on when the

4:05:09project's completed and when the

4:05:10assessor hits that it can be a floating

4:05:12target on um when the increment starts

4:05:15being created. Uh what a bank needs to

4:05:17see is they have a commitment of $3.1

4:05:20million from the redevelopment agency to

4:05:22make this project financable. And I

4:05:24think that's kind of the motion that is

4:05:25that is up in front of you.

4:05:27>> Great. Thank you. Yeah. And I'll just

4:05:28echo some of the comments that we've

4:05:30been hearing from some of the other

4:05:31board members about ensuring, you know,

4:05:33the affordability of this project beyond

4:05:38what is

4:05:40recommended at this time. I would be in

4:05:41favor of looking at a more extended, you

4:05:44know, restriction on the affordability

4:05:47piece. Um, if we're going to jump in

4:05:48there, I think yesterday there was a

4:05:50ribbon cutting for another project that

4:05:51did receive other types of funding, but

4:05:53even with that about $1.4 4 million in

4:05:56sewer connection fee waiverss and impact

4:05:58fee wavers that the city provided, they

4:06:00were guaranteeing the affordability for

4:06:02a lot longer period. Um, and so just

4:06:04seeing the amount of assistance that is

4:06:06coming from the city, I would be in

4:06:09favor of us extending that and allowing

4:06:12for the affordability to continue to

4:06:14support the need that we've all agreed

4:06:18is needed, especially within our city in

4:06:21terms of attainable housing and

4:06:23providing that service to our community.

4:06:24And so, um, you know, I I just wanted to

4:06:27put that on the record and see if there

4:06:29are any other comments. I'll go to

4:06:30anybody else that has anything. Council

4:06:33member Doer.

4:06:34>> Yeah, I just just to follow up on your

4:06:36thought. I really appreciate that. Um,

4:06:38you know, if we're to get into this

4:06:40business and give more than we have,

4:06:42like we already have given uh with sewer

4:06:44waiverss and those kind of things, then

4:06:46I do think we need to make this a

4:06:48win-win for as long as possible. I am

4:06:50wondering what triggered the 10-year

4:06:53concept. Do you know

4:06:54>> actually it's written that uh because

4:06:56this is a financial agreement not an

4:06:58actual development agreement. Um we're

4:07:00only acting as a bank to give them the

4:07:02money they need. So this is a financial

4:07:04instrument. Uh and so it says that that

4:07:06that requirement would be in place as

4:07:09long as the agreement is in effect. So

4:07:11if let's say RDA2 gets extended and we

4:07:14continue to send them the annual

4:07:15increment um that requirement for them

4:07:18to keep their workforce housing rents

4:07:20would live through that.

4:07:21>> Well, okay. I was wondering that very

4:07:23>> once we've met the financial commitment

4:07:25they would start continue to pay

4:07:27property tax and the one thing different

4:07:28than to of this project versus an

4:07:31affordable housing project is they get

4:07:33that property tax exemption in

4:07:35perpetuity

4:07:36>> upfront this project will will continue

4:07:38to pay their property tax annually even

4:07:41>> but here when it's extend I want to make

4:07:43sure I understand I thought that um

4:07:46they're re I mean they're they're paying

4:07:50let me understand they are aren't paying

4:07:52property tax for what period of time

4:07:55>> they are paying they will pay property

4:07:57tax every year.

4:07:58>> Yeah.

4:07:58>> What we do is we um give them a

4:08:00reimbursement of their property tax

4:08:02until we've met our financial

4:08:03commitment.

4:08:04>> Okay. So that that was where I thought

4:08:05we were going. So it's not that we're

4:08:07getting it, we're reimbursing it to

4:08:11them.

4:08:12>> Correct.

4:08:12>> But to help them pay off their project,

4:08:14right? So I don't know why again was 10

4:08:17years just pulled out of the sky or is

4:08:20that tied to something? It'll be through

4:08:222035. Is Yeah, I don't think it ever

4:08:24said 10 years. Uh, currently the

4:08:26agreement would be through 2035.

4:08:28>> That's the Is that because that's when

4:08:29the RDA ends?

4:08:31>> Yes.

4:08:31>> Okay. But if the RDA is extended, I want

4:08:33to understand your point. Are you saying

4:08:36as long as they're um getting increment,

4:08:39they would keep the project affordable?

4:08:40>> Correct.

4:08:41>> So, how long should it take to get the

4:08:443.1 million? If RDA2 gets extended, uh,

4:08:47it'll likely be 13. I'm guessing 13

4:08:50years

4:08:50>> versus 10 or on top of 10

4:08:53>> versus nine between now and 2035 is nine

4:08:56years.

4:08:56>> No, but if they get extended,

4:08:58>> how long would it take to get the 3

4:09:01million? You're we're frontloading the 3

4:09:03million and so they're getting it in the

4:09:05first 10 years. Is that the idea? Be

4:09:07before 2035. What this commitment states

4:09:09is we will do everything in our power to

4:09:11get them the 3.1 million by the time

4:09:14RDA2 ends in 2035.

4:09:15>> So it is frontloading it all before the

4:09:18>> providing supplemental assistance. I

4:09:20wouldn't I would say

4:09:20>> I'm just saying it's putting it all up

4:09:22front. We already said

4:09:24>> that

4:09:27no the project would be built Yeah.

4:09:29would be completed and on an annual

4:09:31basis they would receive their property

4:09:33tax reimbursement. Yeah.

4:09:34>> And that the remaining gap would be

4:09:36amvertised over the number of years

4:09:37left. And we're guessing that's $186,000

4:09:41>> in total or per year.

4:09:44>> Per year. So what's the total? The 3.1.

4:09:47>> And isn't it that we would they are

4:09:49getting 3.1 million otherwise they

4:09:51wouldn't be having this conversation,

4:09:52right? And they're getting it by 2035

4:09:55which is when the RDA is technically

4:09:57ends.

4:09:58>> Okay. So by 2035 if it is extended now

4:10:02it's 2036. Do they get any more

4:10:04increment or are they done? they will

4:10:07continue to get an increment. They will

4:10:08>> they will no longer get the supplemental

4:10:10assistance.

4:10:11>> Okay. So, what I'm what I'm suggesting

4:10:13is that we should put a higher I'm going

4:10:16to be a bet and girl here. I'm going to

4:10:18say it's going to get extended. There's

4:10:19a lot of people that like to see that

4:10:21and I'd like to see the increment them

4:10:24to remain affordable beyond 10 years,

4:10:27beyond 2035.

4:10:29That's what I would like to see in order

4:10:31to gain my support for this project. I

4:10:34get the numbers. I I understand and I'm

4:10:36glad to be part of it and I advocated

4:10:38even last time uh even before we had the

4:10:41policy change, but there is a quid

4:10:43proquo and they're doing a special thing

4:10:45and he's nodding. They're doing a

4:10:47special thing and it's unique for our

4:10:50our government, our city and therefore

4:10:52I'd like to extend that benefit to our

4:10:54residents as long as possible just like

4:10:56we're extending the increment to them.

4:10:58So that's where I'm at.

4:11:01>> You want to comment on that?

4:11:02>> Yeah, that'd be great.

4:11:05Mitch Mitch Morris, applicant for the

4:11:06record again. Um, yeah, if I if I may, I

4:11:10from my understanding and that increment

4:11:13is um, yes, our our commitment is is yes

4:11:17to keep it workforce or attainable

4:11:20housing. Um, not and just to clarify

4:11:23that affordable housing piece is tied

4:11:26with LITC typically and is 50 to 60% AMI

4:11:30>> and lower. Um and but yes, our our

4:11:34commitment is is yes to our project

4:11:36naturally handcuffs itself to that

4:11:39workforce housing. Yeah. Um rent um

4:11:42rather than going through that litech

4:11:44program like we've been through been

4:11:46been through there

4:11:47>> that would eliminate property tax for

4:11:49the next 100 200 300 years. Yeah. Um so

4:11:53um and and delay the project from

4:11:56starting

4:11:5812 to 24 months because of the litec

4:12:01process and others. So

4:12:03>> um yes I think the the increment being

4:12:07re while the increment is received yes

4:12:09we are committed to keeping this at

4:12:11workforce housing rents there

4:12:13>> but not after

4:12:14>> a after the project it it does handcuff

4:12:18it. We we have these projects like uh

4:12:20Brian showed that we have about 20 of

4:12:22these projects that are completed in

4:12:23other cities

4:12:25>> um that have been completed with a lot

4:12:28with different financing in place there,

4:12:30right? Different rates four years ago

4:12:32than today.

4:12:33>> Um so those those did not not all of

4:12:36them had similar tiff financing um or

4:12:39supplemental financing

4:12:41>> here. So, um those ones um but but yet

4:12:46they are still at workforce housing

4:12:49rents.

4:12:49>> But what's the commitment there?

4:12:51>> Uh there there is no commitment on

4:12:54those. It's just they are naturally

4:12:55handcuffed there because we don't have

4:12:57parking or balconies. The rent the the

4:13:00units are only 393 square feet on

4:13:03average.

4:13:04>> Um the I think we'd like or

4:13:07>> I'd like to see a commitment in addition

4:13:08to that. And here's why. Even I don't

4:13:11know how long the RDA2 will be extended.

4:13:14>> Correct.

4:13:15>> But let's say it's another it's proposed

4:13:18to be somewhere between 15 and 30 years

4:13:20I'll just say. So

4:13:23this is just in my mind a different

4:13:25financing mechanism than going through

4:13:27LITC or whatever. And we are unlikely to

4:13:29see this sale this tax. We're likely to

4:13:32stay at the 366 as long as this is in

4:13:34place to the city of Reno. I'm not

4:13:36talking about other agencies which the

4:13:38school district and so on. But to us,

4:13:40we're not going to see increased

4:13:41property tax until the end of the

4:13:45district.

4:13:46>> That's my understanding. That is

4:13:48correct. So what I'm saying is we're

4:13:50we're not getting any benefit for like

4:13:5315 to 30 years, whatever it gets

4:13:55extended for. And so what I'm looking

4:13:58for is a benefit not to us but to our

4:14:00residents, some kind of commitment, not

4:14:02naturally occurring, not well, we're

4:14:05going to do 10% increase in rent this

4:14:08year. I that's what I'm asking for and I

4:14:10think it's a reasonable ask.

4:14:11>> Yes, I I think I caught the the uh

4:14:16something there that may be key here.

4:14:18the from my understanding and Brian

4:14:20maybe can jump in and and clarify again

4:14:22uh or clarify this that um we will only

4:14:25receive up to the $3.1 million meaning

4:14:27if the RDA2 is extended um which fingers

4:14:31crossed we all hope it is that that um

4:14:33we would hit that 3.1 million threshold

4:14:35at about year 2039. So after that we

4:14:39would receive no increment. Our property

4:14:41tax check would be coming to the city

4:14:43and you would be receiving that

4:14:46>> 60 something.

4:14:47>> Well that was not correct that. Is that

4:14:49>> correct? Sorry.

4:14:50>> You got it like 94% there. Ashley

4:14:53attorney assistant city manager for the

4:14:54record. So

4:14:56>> after the time in which $3.1 million has

4:14:59been reimbursed to the applicant in

4:15:01order to fill their financial gap to

4:15:03build this naturally affordable project.

4:15:07the additional monies that 60 $212,000 a

4:15:10year would then come to the

4:15:11redevelopment agency, right, until 2050

4:15:15or whenever we expire and then that will

4:15:17go back to all of the taxing agencies,

4:15:19>> right?

4:15:19>> So, the city will be getting their

4:15:21higher amount of property tax

4:15:23eventually. It's just deferred for the

4:15:24time being,

4:15:25>> right? And so, what I'm saying is while

4:15:26it's deferred, maybe we we're partners.

4:15:30And also I just want to ask I've asked

4:15:32this three times so I want to make sure

4:15:34it sounds like the way this is set up

4:15:36that they get the 3.1 million by 2035

4:15:39and then it's going to be extended after

4:15:412035

4:15:42but by then they will have received

4:15:44their 3.1. I want to make that's what I

4:15:47think you said a few times.

4:15:48>> So the for a clarification the maximum

4:15:51reimbursement will be $3.1 million. Yes.

4:15:54That will either happen by 2035 because

4:15:57we're not extended or if the legislature

4:16:00extends next year then we will know

4:16:02during

4:16:03>> it's not added on to 2035. It it all

4:16:06starts new when the legislature would

4:16:08pass that.

4:16:09>> No, the legislature would extend to

4:16:112050. Let's say that's what we have in

4:16:13our bill draft request right now. So we

4:16:15will know the lifespan of the RDA after

4:16:18the legislative cycle. And so if it's

4:16:20extended, then we would no longer have

4:16:22that same cap of 2035. We would have the

4:16:25new cap of 2050. So they will get their

4:16:28$3.1 million reimbured whenever they get

4:16:31there because now the runway is longer.

4:16:33>> Changed it. Okay.

4:16:34>> Thank you. We're go for getting the

4:16:37clarifi clarification.

4:16:39>> Miss Tney, so I I guess I want to say it

4:16:41to this in the most simple way that I

4:16:43can. uh we as a body have had a policy

4:16:47when we are dealing with um lowincome

4:16:50housing I'm using that term as opposed

4:16:52to the other ones that we want to see it

4:16:54exist for as long as possible right so

4:16:57that's a paradigm a policy an

4:16:59overarching framework that we have

4:17:00adopted you have brought us a new thing

4:17:03you've said look you can get both you

4:17:05can have affordable housing and property

4:17:08tax but to do that you have to have a

4:17:10financial instrument that just tells the

4:17:13applicant that will guarantee they get

4:17:15$3.1 million out of the deal. Therefore,

4:17:18the bank will finance their efforts and

4:17:21everyone is made happy. They're not

4:17:23going to get more than $3.1 million.

4:17:26>> No.

4:17:26>> Okay. And it doesn't matter if that

4:17:28occurs in the eight years that we have.

4:17:30If it if it is not repaid to them by

4:17:33that 8-year period, then there is

4:17:35supplemental that has to be paid to get

4:17:37to the $3.1 million. Correct.

4:17:39>> Right. And so, um, what is the

4:17:42professional recommendation? And I don't

4:17:43know if this is a Rory thing who's with

4:17:45us today or if this is a you thing like

4:17:48we're struggling cuz we want to do the

4:17:50deal but we also want to make sure we

4:17:51get a win for the community which is

4:17:53affordable housing right and so do you

4:17:56see why you're having nonfinancial

4:17:59people on this side of the dis who are

4:18:01trying to make a commitment but

4:18:03confusing a lot of the terminology

4:18:05because it's new to us and trying to

4:18:08confuse you. Help us not be confused. We

4:18:11just want to know the simplest way

4:18:12forward. What is the professional

4:18:14recommendation of the redevelopment

4:18:15agency with regard to this project? They

4:18:17say approve it.

4:18:18>> Correct.

4:18:19>> And they've said do it with the

4:18:20condition that we use a supplement if

4:18:24necessary for the period of time where

4:18:26if the RDA is not extended, it will

4:18:28naturally occur that we have to

4:18:30supplement it out of direct funds for

4:18:32the redevelopment agency. All the while

4:18:34we only still get $3.1 million out of

4:18:37this applicant. That's the commitment

4:18:39that we made to them, not $3.1 million

4:18:42extended out over to 2050 because it'll

4:18:45always be paid back within the next

4:18:48smaller time frame.

4:18:49>> Correct.

4:18:49>> Okay. So, is there any reason for us to

4:18:52squeeze them for an affordability demand

4:18:55that may change their development uh

4:18:58process or their agreement with the bank

4:19:00to get more years out of it, then we're

4:19:02already getting the $3.1 million worth?

4:19:06Our professional recommendation is no.

4:19:08Based off of the proforma and the

4:19:10analysis that has been done to this

4:19:12state, they are maintaining that

4:19:13affordable status through the financial

4:19:18relationship with the redevelopment

4:19:19agency. So that would be the way that I

4:19:21would tell you to go forward is so long

4:19:23as they are receiving a reimbursement

4:19:25from us, they will maintain that

4:19:27affordable status.

4:19:28>> And if I wanting to do a good thing say,

4:19:30well, I expect 30-year commitment from

4:19:32you today. What does that do to the

4:19:35financial calculus that this applicant

4:19:37has in place and their bank and their

4:19:40investors? Because I'm trying to

4:19:41understand, does that blow the deal?

4:19:43>> It it's likely to need a full analysis

4:19:46from the beginning all over again

4:19:47because that will change the perform of

4:19:49the deal

4:19:50>> and does not give us any more housing.

4:19:52>> Does not give us any more property tax.

4:19:54>> That's correct. You continue to get $366

4:19:58and no units.

4:20:02I guess a question. I mean, couldn't

4:20:05they apply? They've

4:20:06>> council member D. I'm just gonna go to

4:20:08council member Taylor first. Yes, she

4:20:09had a question.

4:20:10>> I think I think I under understand the

4:20:12my question based on what Councilman Ree

4:20:14says, but what we're what we're saying I

4:20:17think what my colleague is saying is she

4:20:18wants to have and it's not affordable.

4:20:20It's attainable workhouse whatever

4:20:21because they're two very different

4:20:23things for as long as possible. Correct.

4:20:25>> And what we're saying and the

4:20:26professional recommendation is which is

4:20:28very admirable. I understand that is we

4:20:30can do this through the extent of the

4:20:32financial deal that we are setting up.

4:20:34>> Correct.

4:20:35>> And that is the recommendation.

4:20:36>> That is our recommendation.

4:20:37>> Okay. Thank you,

4:20:39>> Council Member Anderson.

4:20:41>> Um, yes. I just I want to appreciate the

4:20:44spirit of the request, Council Member

4:20:47Door and Council Member Martinez. Um,

4:20:52I think that there's reasons that the

4:20:54applicant has chosen the financing

4:20:56options available to them to bring this

4:20:58project to us in a very quick way so

4:21:01that we're not waiting the the number of

4:21:03years. So, I think it's a good tradeoff.

4:21:05This is just my perspective. The cost of

4:21:08these 107

4:21:10folks not being housed is far greater

4:21:14than any of the increment than we would

4:21:17have calculated here. And so I think

4:21:20that the applicant is a great

4:21:22opportunity to build a project like this

4:21:25that is it's it's incredible bones for

4:21:29housing, but it's not the frills. It

4:21:31doesn't have a pool. It doesn't have a

4:21:32gym. It doesn't have, you know,

4:21:34expansive parks and dog parks and things

4:21:36like that. Let's give this applicant a

4:21:39chance to give our community attainable

4:21:42housing for the next 8 years or 10 years

4:21:44or 13 years depending on what the

4:21:46variables here and we can make

4:21:48determinations moving forward if we

4:21:50thought that that turned out well or

4:21:51not. I just think that they chose this

4:21:53financing and they came to the

4:21:55redevelopment agency for a reason

4:21:57because their proforma past their gap

4:22:02probably

4:22:04needs earnings that would have to be

4:22:06recalculated

4:22:08with their investors. So anyway, I'm I'm

4:22:11here to support the motion as written.

4:22:15>> Before I go to you, Council Member Der,

4:22:17I just had a quick question just so I

4:22:18understand the timeline. Um,

4:22:22and this might be for you for the

4:22:23applicant. Yeah. With it's you already

4:22:26have the design, you already done the

4:22:27proforma and the financials on it. So,

4:22:30you're ready basically to put shovels in

4:22:32the ground and get the

4:22:34construction going. How long do you

4:22:36expect that construction phase to occur

4:22:38and for you to start leasing these

4:22:40properties?

4:22:41>> Yeah, good question. And I apologize for

4:22:43miscommunication there. uh that

4:22:45preliminary design as you can see we're

4:22:47not putting up uh that building that was

4:22:50in the concept uh elevation there. Uh

4:22:53there is still a need to get into full

4:22:54construction drawings so that we are so

4:22:57that we meet the building permit

4:22:58application requirements there. Um so we

4:23:01still have to go to get that design um

4:23:04geared up and and it'll be a few months

4:23:07there before we can submit to the

4:23:09building permit application from which

4:23:10time my understanding I've been told

4:23:12there's you know between two to six

4:23:15months of permitting timeline depending

4:23:17on how many ducks we have in a row. So

4:23:20um

4:23:22so so best guess um you're 3 months of

4:23:26design and and worst case 6 months of

4:23:29permitting plus 18 months of

4:23:31construction there. So that's 27 months.

4:23:35So o opening um that December January of

4:23:3920 uh 3839

4:23:43December 2038

4:23:45>> 28 excuse me.

4:23:46>> Yeah. I know that helps clarify that

4:23:47just so I understand because by that

4:23:49point we will know if we've gotten the

4:23:51extension and so I guess in theory if

4:23:54that is the case and you start paying

4:23:56your tax increment you might not need

4:23:58the supplemental because we'll know that

4:24:00the RDA is extended at that point you'll

4:24:03just continue to receive your standard

4:24:06tiff

4:24:07>> correct and that's how the motion is

4:24:09written from our understanding as well

4:24:10is exactly like you've like you've

4:24:12stated

4:24:13>> that makes it a lot clearer for me thank

4:24:14you so much councilmber are doing.

4:24:16>> Yeah. Um I was just wondering since

4:24:18you've done so many of these elsewhere

4:24:20using traditional LITC funding and so

4:24:23on, why not do that? I mean the

4:24:27trade-off for us is that we're not going

4:24:29to get the property tax to 2050

4:24:31probably. Okay. And so it's like we're

4:24:34not getting the property tax. I mean

4:24:35that's a that's a distance away. It's

4:24:37not like we're getting the property tax

4:24:39tomorrow,

4:24:39>> right? So, it's very much similar in my

4:24:42mind to the more traditional financing

4:24:44where we don't get the property tax. And

4:24:46in those cases, we've given out of our

4:24:48pocket $1 to $2 million and we've gotten

4:24:5130 years. Here, we're asking to give $3

4:24:54million, but we get 10 years. And we get

4:24:57property tax in what is it 20 years.

4:25:02Okay? So, I'm not and by then it's no

4:25:04longer affordable because you stopped

4:25:06being affordable 10 years. It's a very

4:25:08big challenge to us to rehouse people

4:25:10that have been living in in this case if

4:25:13we want to word smith attainable housing

4:25:15workforce housing affordable housing we

4:25:18said 60% AMI housing whatever it is

4:25:22they're going to come to resource and

4:25:24say help I can't housing will be even

4:25:26more expensive in 10 years than it is

4:25:28today the rents will be higher so what

4:25:31do you really how do you envision this

4:25:33working like are you just going to one

4:25:35day at 10 years send them a note and say

4:25:37I'm sorry we're or give them a 6 months

4:25:39heads up. Uh in 6 months we're going to

4:25:42become a market rate housing product. Uh

4:25:45start looking for some other place. Is

4:25:47that how it works?

4:25:49>> Uh no. Great question there. Um

4:25:53the our our third party, our own owner's

4:25:56third party um property management group

4:25:59that that did the study of the rents um

4:26:04put these rents in for at at this

4:26:06specific time. We never know what's

4:26:08going to be done in the future, right?

4:26:09But um we are at these rents. Um

4:26:15these units yield that rent and are and

4:26:18are of no more value than that rent as

4:26:22as currently is today. So even if even

4:26:25if we didn't have any tiff at all Yeah.

4:26:28and say the project was financially

4:26:29feasible and we built that today, um

4:26:32that's the rent we'd be we'd be charging

4:26:34regardless. We would not be asking. So

4:26:36it's essentially market rate for the

4:26:38size of units. Is that what you're

4:26:40trying to say?

4:26:40>> That's a much better way to put it. I

4:26:41appreciate you putting those words in my

4:26:43mouth because that's what I'm trying to

4:26:44say. Yes.

4:26:45>> Okay. So it's essentially market rate

4:26:47based on the size today. And the market

4:26:50rate will go up over time. Yes. Let me

4:26:52just ask you this. I guess um I am not

4:26:55um trying to extort 30 years out of you

4:26:58of I'm I'm looking for more. Okay. It

4:27:01could be 20. It could be 15. the staff

4:27:04already said it's going to be 13. If it

4:27:06if we extend the RDA, it's going to be

4:27:0813. So, I'm asking, can you lean in a

4:27:11little and at least make a longer

4:27:13commitment than 10?

4:27:15>> Good question there. Um, and and if I

4:27:18may

4:27:19be that once that 3.1 is satisfied at

4:27:232035 or or 2040, whatever year that is.

4:27:27Um the I guess the I I would point out

4:27:31that the fund yes while the funds aren't

4:27:33going directly to the general city fund

4:27:34they are ending up attributing to the

4:27:37city through that redevelopment agency.

4:27:39Correct.

4:27:40>> Yeah. So I I think the the funds still

4:27:43end up there to benefit the city there

4:27:46and without putting um additional call

4:27:50it handcuffs on there um for for a

4:27:54significant amount of more time that we

4:27:57can't see into there. So versus LITC

4:28:00will

4:28:00>> All right. I guess that's a no. So I

4:28:03mean we're leaning in here. We're we're

4:28:05talking about giving you 100% not a 90.

4:28:07This is the max we've done before. We're

4:28:10talking about giving you over more money

4:28:12than you're expected to return to this

4:28:15RDA. And I think the request is

4:28:18reasonable. When we did the Grand Sierra

4:28:20project, we made additional requests and

4:28:22they, you know, we got $3 million for

4:28:24recreation. We got more money for other

4:28:26things. I I don't think it's that weird

4:28:28to be having this conversation because

4:28:29you are

4:28:30>> doing something very very different and

4:28:33you could go a normal lite-ch way,

4:28:35>> right? And and provide 30 years at

4:28:37affordable housing. So, I'm really on

4:28:39the I'm really on the um cusp of not

4:28:44really knowing where I want to go. So,

4:28:45thank you.

4:28:46>> Correct. It's a and if I may, it is a

4:28:48unique um it's a unique problem that we

4:28:50have with the housing shortage. It's a

4:28:52unique solution that we're presenting

4:28:54and it's a unique funding mechanism that

4:28:57that Reno City has. So, yeah.

4:28:59>> Um we I and to and

4:29:03>> I mean I'm not I I think the 30 years I

4:29:05I don't know that I can I can commit to

4:29:0930 years there. I think is there a

4:29:11little leeway in that ex in those

4:29:13additional years? I think there can be

4:29:15something there.

4:29:16>> Oh, okay. So, 20 years. I mean, I'm just

4:29:18I'm trying to find I'm offering you to

4:29:21make a proposal, not I just put 30

4:29:23because that was traditional,

4:29:24>> right?

4:29:25>> I'm not committed to that.

4:29:26>> Right. And it's and and as you know

4:29:31um

4:29:35and I apologize. I'm just I'm just

4:29:38thinking here before I put my foot in my

4:29:40mouth and my my boss who's watching is

4:29:44he kicks my butt or something here when

4:29:45I get back. But um

4:29:49I I think there's

4:29:51>> is there a middle ground? That's what

4:29:52we're saying.

4:29:53>> Correct. Yes. And and I think I mean we

4:29:56all assume that uh the RDA is extended

4:30:00which would put us at about 2040. Um, I

4:30:03mean, if there was a 15-year commitment

4:30:05or something like that, um,

4:30:08>> whatever you can do

4:30:08>> from the agreement or from the date of

4:30:10the agreement,

4:30:10>> 15, which is two more years than what

4:30:12you're anticipating.

4:30:14>> 20 it would be amazing. I'm just just

4:30:16arguing for our residents. That's all.

4:30:18>> Right. And it I that's exactly your

4:30:21position that you should be doing. So, I

4:30:23I can appreciate that. And I think I

4:30:25think we uh live in that similar

4:30:29structure as has been pointed out with

4:30:30our without our amenities package. We

4:30:33just can't live outside of that. We will

4:30:35stay market rent for our housing.

4:30:38>> Okay.

4:30:38>> So I think was that a pretty much a no

4:30:40or 15 or I I'm not sure how to

4:30:42interpret.

4:30:43>> Right. I I think if 15 if needs be I

4:30:46think up to 15 I think is from from the

4:30:49agreement I think we could do that.

4:30:50>> Okay. Manager Brighton, I think I don't

4:30:52know if you want to jump in there and

4:30:54>> I was I was just trying to get us to a

4:30:56conclusion quickly. So, because

4:30:58>> sounds like he got there.

4:31:00>> Yeah,

4:31:01>> I see council member Eert's hands raised

4:31:03online, so we'll go to her next. Thank

4:31:04you so much.

4:31:05>> Thank you.

4:31:08>> Hello. Um, I had a couple questions real

4:31:11quick and I'm sorry if I um missed this

4:31:14earlier. Um, is this is this your first

4:31:18project of any kind in the state of

4:31:21Nevada?

4:31:22>> Uh, correct. We have done no business in

4:31:25the state of Nevada at all.

4:31:29>> Okay. And have you guys done this type

4:31:33of financing before? I'm sure each

4:31:36redevelopment agency has its own kind of

4:31:40um unique details, but have you um used

4:31:44this kind of concept in other areas to

4:31:47help you finance um development?

4:31:50>> Um Cold Water [clears throat] Capital

4:31:52itself has not. Our partner uh OZ

4:31:55Development, which is uh they Oz

4:31:58Development, they they have in in

4:32:01Arizona several times. Um and but yes,

4:32:05similar very similar to tax increment

4:32:07financing

4:32:09um through a redevelopment agency at the

4:32:11city level. Correct.

4:32:13>> Okay. Um I I'm just going to share some

4:32:17concerns that I have. It's um to Council

4:32:21Member Der's point that it is difficult

4:32:25to move people when um they can no

4:32:29longer afford their rent because it's um

4:32:32you know no longer attainable housing or

4:32:34work for force housing whatever it's

4:32:38called. Um, but also too the the rents

4:32:43even even if they are, you know, lower

4:32:47than the market rate for the area,

4:32:52$1,700

4:32:53for like 400 square foot just is a lot

4:32:58of money. And I honestly I don't know

4:33:01how many people can afford that. Um,

4:33:05especially right now with the cost of

4:33:06everything else. So, those are my

4:33:08concerns. I understand, you know,

4:33:11economics, you have to charge what you

4:33:14have to charge to to build and all of

4:33:16that, but um I just don't know if

4:33:19there's enough people that can pay that

4:33:23kind of money in the downtown area. Um I

4:33:26think it's wise to not have the the

4:33:29amenities um to to reduce uh rates as

4:33:32much as possible, too. But I still have

4:33:35concerns about the cost. So those are

4:33:38that's really more of a comment than a

4:33:40question. But I just wanted to share my

4:33:43thoughts. Thank you.

4:33:44>> Hi, Council Member Weber. Brian Mardle.

4:33:46Uh for the record, I just want to note

4:33:48that $1,700 rents were not proposed in

4:33:50this project. Their performing out the

4:33:52next 10 years, uh is what they submit to

4:33:55the bank to get financing shows that

4:33:57these rents are around 12 thou $1,270 a

4:34:00month. uh there might be some natural

4:34:02inflation but they are not proposing uh

4:34:04that these these go to market rate rents

4:34:06right after the end of 10 years they

4:34:08this this project could be naturally

4:34:10affording for the next 50 years to 100

4:34:13years uh there's no guarantee that they

4:34:15go up uh and certainly not 1700

4:34:17>> yeah thanks so much for clarifying that

4:34:19Mr. Ricardo. Yeah, I think it was noted

4:34:20on slide two um of your presentation

4:34:22that it was about 1270 for the average

4:34:24unit uh size of 400 square ft. So, I

4:34:27just wanted to point that out and I see

4:34:28that we have our council um online. So,

4:34:31if we could go to you, there's been some

4:34:33discussion from the body u with the

4:34:36applicant about making a small amendment

4:34:39to the motion um and extending the

4:34:42guarantee for the attainable housing

4:34:45price uh to 15 years. And before we

4:34:49entertain a motion like that, I wanted

4:34:50to check with you to see if that's

4:34:53something that is viable from your

4:34:54opinion um and something that we can

4:34:56move forward with or if there has to be

4:34:58separate action that has to be taken to

4:35:00move that forward. So I think Rory is

4:35:04online um I just want to direct that

4:35:06question specifically to you.

4:35:13>> Hello. Can you hear me? This is Rory

4:35:15Robinson for the record. We can hear

4:35:16you.

4:35:18>> Okay.

4:35:19Yes, we can include in the OPA uh

4:35:24covenant that the property will remain

4:35:27workforce housing and we will define

4:35:29workforce housing and include provisions

4:35:34with respect to you know providing

4:35:36information for the agency staff to be

4:35:39able to verify that in connection with

4:35:42each reimbursement. We can also have

4:35:45provisions for it to survive the um

4:35:49period where the obligation to make the

4:35:52tip payments terminates. Um I believe we

4:35:55would be able to have that obligation

4:35:58survive even the termination of the

4:36:00redevelopment area because the

4:36:03redevelopment agency as a body would

4:36:06still continue in this instance. Um so

4:36:10yes we can extend that for the period um

4:36:14requested and then you know the other

4:36:18conditions are really pragmatic. Does

4:36:20that um you know make it more diff

4:36:23difficult to obtain you know financing

4:36:26um you know those are just developer

4:36:28questions.

4:36:29>> Okay.

4:36:30>> Thank you. I just wanted to make sure

4:36:31that that specific amendment was

4:36:33addressed from our council.

4:36:34>> Thank you council member. Um yeah that

4:36:36thank you so much for asking the

4:36:38question and to the right person. Um so

4:36:41I don't the the term workforce housing

4:36:44is uh very vague and so what I would

4:36:46like to recommend if it's acceptable

4:36:48it's been portrayed that this is by

4:36:50Brian that this is 60% of AMI. Is that

4:36:54correct? That's what I heard.

4:36:57>> Uh Brian Mardle again for the record. um

4:36:59based on last year's published AMI and

4:37:01the rents they're proposing at $1,270,

4:37:04it would be less than 60% AMI.

4:37:07>> So, um does is less than like 55% or

4:37:10something.

4:37:11>> The math is tricky, but I can tell.

4:37:13Well, what I was wondering is to add the

4:37:15condition that um Council Member

4:37:17Martinez was just talking, maybe we

4:37:19could instead use the term workforce,

4:37:21maybe we could just say rent will be

4:37:23held at 60% of AMI for 15 years knowing

4:37:26that AMI increases and so the rent would

4:37:30increase just as all the affordable

4:37:32housings has increasing rent over time.

4:37:34It's not one flat rent for 15 years. Um

4:37:37does that help um Madame Rory? Is that

4:37:41acceptable to qualify? Yes, that is.

4:37:45>> Yeah.

4:37:46>> Okay. I just I just thought we should

4:37:47define the term

4:37:49>> because I've heard workforce housing be

4:37:5180% 120% of AMI. I've heard all kind of

4:37:54interpretations of what that is. So, if

4:37:57it's 60% of AMI and it's already less,

4:38:00then that should be I think acceptable.

4:38:03>> Okay. Thank you, Vice Mayor.

4:38:05>> Mr. Vice Mayor, I'm prepared to make a

4:38:07motion.

4:38:09>> Yeah. I don't see any other comments.

4:38:11Okay. I move to determine pursuant to

4:38:13NRS 279.486 that the building, facility,

4:38:16structures, and other improvements

4:38:17associated with the 521 Lake Street

4:38:19workforce housing project or benefit the

4:38:21redevelopment area to and the immediate

4:38:23neighborhood in which it's located and

4:38:24that no other reasonable means of

4:38:25financing the project are available.

4:38:27Approve the owner participation

4:38:28agreement with Cold Water Capital. Am I

4:38:31reading the right motion?

4:38:32>> You are. I just the applicant and I were

4:38:35discussing the 60% AMI is a very

4:38:39specific number that was not calculated

4:38:42as part of their proforma.

4:38:43>> Miss Tony, let me just try to finish my

4:38:45motion.

4:38:45>> Finish the motion. Thank you so much.

4:38:47Thank you.

4:38:47>> Um and finance project are available.

4:38:49will approve the owner participation

4:38:51agreement with Coldwater Capital LLC for

4:38:52the 521 Lake Street workforce housing

4:38:54project establishing maximum tax

4:38:56increment finding assistance commitment

4:38:57of up to $3.1 million including 100%

4:39:00reimbursement of the eligible project

4:39:01generate tax increment through the

4:39:02expiration of the redevelopment area 2

4:39:04and supplemental tiff assistance as

4:39:05necessary to achieve the maximum

4:39:07approved commitment subject to the

4:39:08availability of the agency resources and

4:39:10the terms and conditions of the owner

4:39:11participation agreement provided that

4:39:13the redevelopment area 2 is extended the

4:39:15same maximum financial commitment shall

4:39:16remain in effect and be in reverse over

4:39:17the life of the extended redevelopment

4:39:18area pursuit to reimbursement percentage

4:39:20establishing the agreement. Authorize

4:39:22the executive director to execute the

4:39:23owner participation agreement. Any

4:39:25associated documents, make

4:39:26non-substantive modifications necessary

4:39:29to finalize and implement the agreement

4:39:30provided such modification do not

4:39:32increase the agency's maximum final

4:39:33financial commitment or material alter

4:39:35the financial terms approved by the

4:39:38redevelopment agency board. The

4:39:40applicant and our redevelopment agency

4:39:41board will also use best efforts to

4:39:43commit to a 15-year workforce housing

4:39:46affordability criterion to be

4:39:48established by the redevelopment agency

4:39:50and the applicant jointly.

4:39:53>> I second. But I think and when you said

4:39:55affordability, you meant workforce up to

4:39:58you uh workforce housing. You said

4:40:00affordability in the 15ear.

4:40:01>> Well, I said a workforce and

4:40:03affordability matrix. Perfect. not using

4:40:05a term of art tied to a number, but that

4:40:07they would use their best efforts to try

4:40:10to establish such a criteria.

4:40:11>> Thank you for the clarification. I can

4:40:13second.

4:40:15>> Any comments on the motion?

4:40:17>> Okay, we have a motion to second. All

4:40:19those in favor say I.

4:40:20>> I.

4:40:20>> I.

4:40:21>> Any opposed?

4:40:22>> Opposed.

4:40:23>> One motion passes. Thank you so much.

4:40:26Congratulations

4:40:27>> and thank you so much for leaning in and

4:40:29helping our residents. Yes.

4:40:38>> Thank you. With that, we'll close that

4:40:40item and move on to um I'm going to uh

4:40:45skip item D1. Seeing as the chair of the

4:40:48RAB is not here and so we'll move on to

4:40:51item E1. Does any do any members have

4:40:53any comments at this time?

4:40:59Seeing none, I'll move into our final

4:41:01public comment. Do you have any public

4:41:03commenters? Madame clerk.

4:41:05>> There's no one registered and we have

4:41:07not received any correspondence.

4:41:09>> Okay. With that, I'll ask for a motion

4:41:11to adjurnn.

4:41:11>> So moved.

4:41:12>> Second.

4:41:13>> We have a motion, a second. All those in

4:41:14favor say I.

4:41:15>> I.

4:41:16>> I.

4:41:16>> I. Any opposed?

4:41:18>> Motion passes unanimously. We'll close

4:41:20that out and move back to our Reno City

4:41:22Council meeting. Um, is there any final

4:41:25public comment on our Reno City Council

4:41:28meeting? There's no one registered to

4:41:30speak, but we did receive six comments

4:41:32uh which have been distributed and will

4:41:34be available on the public meeting

4:41:35portal.

4:41:36>> Thanks so much. With that, we'll look

4:41:37for a motion to adjourn the Reno City

4:41:39Council meeting.

4:41:40>> Second.

4:41:41>> We have a motion and a second. All those

4:41:42in favor say I.

4:41:44>> I. Any opposed? Motion passes. We're

4:41:46adjourned at 243. Thank you.

4:41:48>> Thank you.