2026-11-02 - Mayor and Council

00:00Well today is November 2, 2026 and we're convening meeting 27-26. Please join me as you're able in the Pledge of Allegiance.

00:13Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

00:30We have a number of proclamations and recognitions today including Diwali, Veterans Day, America Recycles Day, World Day of Remembrance for Road Traffic Victims, Small Business Saturday, Municipal Government Works Month in Rockville, a proclamation declaring November as Native American Heritage Month and a proclamation declaring National Hospice and Palliative Care Month as well as Pancreatic Cancer Awareness Month.

00:58Colleagues, please join me as you're able. Our first proclamation is to recognize Diwali which is a beautiful celebration much more than the Festival of Lambs, Sweets and Celebrations.

01:37It's a timeless message that resonates across so many cultures and generations with a triumph of light over darkness and knowledge over ignorance.

01:47The lighting of the day reminds us that even a small light can make a big difference and whereas Diwali is a festival of lights and one of the major festivals celebrated by Hindus, Jains and Buddhists and some Buddhists.

02:02Whereas the festival lasts five days and is celebrated during the Hindu Lunisolar Month, Kartika between mid-October and mid-November and where it symbolizes spiritual victory of light over darkness, good over evil and knowledge over ignorance.

02:17Whereas Bandhi Chor Divas celebrated by Sikhs on the last day of Diwali as the liberation of Guru Kargobind from imprisonment and will be commemorated on the same date.

02:28Now therefore the Mayor and Council of Rockville do hereby proclaim November 8th, 2026 as Diwali in Rockville and invite all residents to understand its principles and enjoy the celebration with the victory of light over darkness.

02:43The City encourages everyone to share the principles of the festival of lights and to share love for all residents of Rockville and beyond.

02:51Councilman Valeri, thank you. Do we have a second?

02:56Councilman Jackson, second. All those in favor, please raise your hand and say aye. Excellent.

03:01Thank you. And we have Poonam Tukrao from the City of Rockville Housing Specialists to share a few words. Thank you.

03:09Thank you, Madam Mayor and Council members for this Diwali premonitions. As permissions explained everything, how different faith people, they celebrate Diwali for different reasons.

03:24But Diwali is celebrated as the festival of light to signify the spiritual victory of light over darkness, virtue over evil and enlightenment over ignorance.

03:35It is time of profound renewal marked by heartfelt prayers for prosperity and the sharing of sweets, delicacies and the warmth of gathering with loved ones to embrace new hopeful beginnings.

03:49Now, as we celebrate Diwali this week, I just want to recite one mantra that is considered as the universal prayer for the well-being of mankind.

04:02It means, may everyone be happy, may everyone be free from all disease, may everyone see goodness and auspiciousness in everything and experience prosperity.

04:24May no one suffer or experience sorrow or distress, om shanti, shanti, shanti, om peace, peace, peace.

04:34We are invoking peace in the body, mind and spirit. May peace be within us, may peace be around us, may peace be with us for now and forever.

04:47Thank you. God bless you all. So it's my honor to talk about Veterans Day and present the proclamation.

05:38Veterans Day in 2026 will be observed on November 11th. This is a federal holiday in the United States dedicated to military veterans.

05:48This day commemorates the service of all U.S. veterans, includes various ceremonies and events across the country, the historical background of it.

05:57Originally, it was called Armistice Day. It commemorated the end of World War I on November 11th, 1918.

06:04But then the name was changed in 1954 because not just to honor those who died in service, but to honor all veterans.

06:13The observance and ceremonies, the national ceremony takes place in Arlington National Cemetery starting at 11 o'clock with a wreath-laying ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

06:26Local events like in Rockville, the City of Rockville will host a Veterans Day observance at Rockville Veterans Park from 11 o'clock a.m. to 12 noon on November 11th, 2026.

06:41American Legion Post '86, providing an honor guard for a wreath-laying and a rival salute and a luncheon will be held at Henderson Smith Edmonds American Legion Post '86 immediately following the ceremony.

06:56So with that, let me read the proclamation.

06:59"Whereas America has long stood as a beacon of hope and opportunity, and few embody the spirit here at home and beyond our borders more than members of our armed forces.

07:11Soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, and coast guardsmen are part of an unvulcan chain of brave patriots who have served our country with honor and made tremendous sacrifices so that we may live free.

07:25And now, therefore, the Mayor and Council of the City of Rockville, Maryland, do hereby proclaim November 11th, 2026 as Veterans Day, and encourage all people of Rockville to recognize the valor and sacrifice of our veterans through appropriate ceremonies and observances, and by pausing for two minutes of silence for our nation's veterans."

07:51With that, Madam Mayor, I move the proclamation. I say aye. All right, and let me call up American Legion Post commander Randy Phillips.

08:03Thank you very much, Mayor. I'm going to have my adjutant. He wants to speak, so I'm going to let him do it. Tim?

08:17Thank you, Madam Mayor. I accept this proclamation on behalf of the American Legion and all veterans.

08:25My name is Tim. I'm a retired Army officer. I'm a retired, as well as a retired chemical officer, and I'm also a member of American Legion Post '86 right here in Rockville.

08:34Within the American Legion, I participate on the color guard. I enjoy participating in the aforementioned Veterans Day ceremony.

08:42As part of that ceremony, the color guard presents the colors, and we do a three-volley salute in honor of all veterans.

08:48Veterans Day is a day to honor all veterans, regardless of the branch of the military they served in, whether they served in peace or war or conflict, or how long they served or where they served.

09:00It's a day to recognize all the men and women who served our nation in the armed forces.

09:06Veterans are a diverse group. They might have served in the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Air Force, or the Space Force.

09:16Every veteran has a unique experience based on what service they served in and the different specialties within those services, which contributes to that diversity and unique experience.

09:28Just for instance, the Army, there's logisticians, people who serve the artillery, infantry, special forces, there's mechanics of all kinds, lawyers, medics.

09:40Veterans make sacrifices, whether it's for training, for conflict, or war. Sacrifices for training for schools, training exercises for deployments, going on the deployments, deploying to a combat zone, and some veterans make the ultimate sacrifice.

09:59So on Veterans Day, I honor, remember, and thank veterans for their service, for their commitment to protecting and defending the United States and our freedoms. Thank you.

10:10These eyes are old. Let's see. Great. I have the honor of reading this year's America Recycles Day proclamation, and it reads as follows.

11:16It's actually pretty timely, given the discussions we're having about the waste facility the county's having just outside city limits, so even more important time to recognize this very important function.

11:31It reads as follows, whereas to highlight the environmental and community benefits of recycling, businesses, industries, government agencies, nonprofit organizations, and individuals have joined together to celebrate America Recycles Day,

11:46and will encourage their employees, customers, members, and residents to pledge to reduce waste and buy more recycled content products.

11:54Now, therefore, the mayor and council of Rockville, Maryland, do hereby proclaim November 15, 2026 as America Recycles Day in the city of Rockville and call upon all residents to recycle as much as possible and spread the word about the need to reduce waste by reusing, recycling, composting, and buying recycled products.

12:18With that, Madam Mayor, I move the proclamation, and I believe we have Mr. McLean here, the chair, and Mr. White, members of Rockville's Environment Commission, to come up and say a few words with that awesome green tie.

12:39I'm going to have to borrow it next time. Thanks for coming out.

12:43Yeah, thank you for raising that. I want to thank the council members and mayor for the opportunity to accept this proclamation today.

12:52My name is Spencer, and I'm here on behalf of the Rockville Environment Commission. The commission wants to remind everyone and encourage everyone to continue to reduce, reuse, and recycle whenever possible.

13:01Even small actions create a big impact here in Rockville. The commission would also like to encourage everybody to visit one of the city's four compost drop-off stations to dispose of their organic waste.

13:12Finally, interested citizens should sign up for the Environment and Sustainability newsletter on the city's website, or join us at an Environment Commission meeting if they want to get more involved themselves. Thank you.

13:22It's an honor to read the World Day of Remembrance for Road Traffic Victims, and as we mark the World Day of Remembrance for Road Traffic Victims, our thoughts are with those who have lost their lives, or have been seriously injured on our roads, and with their families and friends.

14:14We thank the emergency responders who care for those affected and reaffirm our commitment to making Rockville streets safer.

14:23And I would love to co-present this proclamation with my colleague, Councilmember Valeri. Thank you all.

14:34I just also want to acknowledge the amazing work of our Rockville Pedestrian Advocacy Committee, the Rockville Bicycle Advisory Committee, and our Transportation Mobility Commission, who are all committed to ending the deaths on our streets here in Rockville.

14:51I also want to read the names of individuals who have died on our streets in the last four years. If so, first I'd like to start with Chandra Pereira, who died in 2019; Brett Baden, who died in 2020; Teresa Moreno de Mejia, who died in 2023; Jose Rene del Cidramos, who died in 2024;

15:18Garofredo Gonzalez Zalaya, who died in 2025; Vipa Senkanun, who died in 2025; Harry George Kazanjian, who died in 2026; Tong Lu Tai, who also died in 2026; and Rouda Khalifi, who died in 2026.

15:40Whereas the Global Status Report on Road Safety, launched by the World Health Organization in December 2018, found that road traffic injuries are now the leading killer of people ages 5 to 29.

16:02Now, therefore, the Mayor and Council of Rockville, Maryland, do hereby proclaim November 15, 2026 as World Day of Remembrance for Road Traffic Victims and encourage everyone in Rockville to acknowledge the victims of road traffic incidents and to take safety precautions when driving or crossing roads.

16:22Madam Mayor, I move the proclamation. And I believe we have Ms. Katherine Kleinman here to say a few words.

16:44Thank you. This is fun. This is fine. It's more than fine. Thank you.

16:54I'm serving on the Commission for Transportation Mobility, and it's a great honor to accept this proclamation on their behalf, as well as on the behalf of all the families and people who have been affected by this very serious and solemn problem we have in Rockville and in the United States of America.

17:15So thank you very much for this recognition and the notice of something that touches everybody somewhere.

18:00I'm very honored to move the proclamation honoring Small Business Saturday.

18:08It sounds a bit like a cliche, but Small Business Saturday and small businesses in general really are the heart of the city of Rockville.

18:19We would not be anywhere without our small businesses and supporting our small businesses.

18:25We have tremendous partners in the city, such as the Rockville Economic Development Inc. and the Greater Rockville Chamber of Commerce.

18:35They do so much to support our small businesses.

18:38So, you know, shop every day at a small business in Rockville, but definitely make an effort to do so on Small Business Saturday.

18:46Whereas the city of Rockville, Maryland celebrates its local small businesses and the contributions they make to our local economy and community.

18:55According to the United States Small Business Administration, there are currently 36.21 million small businesses in the United States, which represent 99.9% of all businesses with employees in the United States.

19:10Now, therefore, the mayor and council of the city of Rockville, Maryland do hereby proclaim November 28, 2026 as Small Business Saturday and urge the Rockville community and communities across the country to support small businesses and merchants during this day and throughout the year.

19:28Madam Mayor, I move the proclamation. And I believe we have Becky Briggs here, perhaps from Our Gift Biz. Would you like to say a few words?

19:51Hello, everybody. I'm Becky Briggs. It's an honor to accept this proclamation today.

19:58Small businesses are the heart blood and the heart life of every community and Rockville is one of the best communities out there.

20:06I've been here over 40 years. I live in West End. I've had my business for 26 years.

20:12I sit on the board for the Rockville Chamber of Commerce. I sat on Reddy's board for 19 years.

20:19So giving back to this community is what it's all about. And and we really, really honor those small businesses that are the lifeline of the Rockville community.

20:29So thank you very much. It's an honor to accept this proclamation. Thank you. Thank you very much.

20:43Now it's my turn to play with the table. I'm not going to let the opportunity pass today.

21:07It is my honor to do the proclamation for Municipal Government Works Month.

21:13Most of the dialogue around us today on the Internet and in the press is about government at the federal level, government at the state level, local level, even county level,

21:23particularly now with the election around the corner. Please go vote if you haven't. You still have time.

21:28But one thing that maybe doesn't get enough attention and we take this month to give it attention is municipal government.

21:35As you're seeing here today at the municipal level, it's where you can have the most access to the people that make the biggest impact on your day to day life.

21:43There are three opportunities just tonight for us to hear directly from the residents on issues that affect them. And it makes a real impact.

21:51So I think it's important that we recognize how much municipal government does work for the people.

21:57So with that, whereas the city of Rockville was incorporated in 1860 and whereas Maryland is home to 156 other municipalities.

22:10Now, therefore, the mayor and council of the city of Rockville, Maryland, do hereby join the Maryland Municipal League in declaring the month of November 2026 as Municipal Government Works Month in Rockville, Maryland,

22:24and call upon the people of Rockville to join others across the United States in recognizing and participating in the special observance of our municipal governments.

22:34Madam Mayor, I move the proclamation. And I believe we have Linda Moran, our associate city manager, to come accept the proclamation. Thank you, Linda.

22:48You want to say a few words?

22:50Thank you, Council Member Fulton. As a city staff representative to the Maryland Municipal League, I'm pleased to accept this proclamation in support of increased awareness and participation in municipal government.

23:03This really is a level where all the participation and the day-to-day action and, excuse me, engagement with the community happens.

23:12So it's very important to promote what municipal governments do across the state and the country. Thank you.

23:18Here in Rockville, we make it a very important tenet throughout almost everything we do to recognize that we are not the first people to call this area home.

23:50And the indigenous people of this land and of this nation have a bright heritage and they have contributed to what we are today.

23:58And we recognize them very often before meetings and before almost everything we do because, once again, we are not the first people to call this home.

24:08And it's important because of that for us to recognize the heritage, the history, and those people who did live here and call this place home first.

24:19And whereas Native Americans were first to carve out cities, domesticate crops, and establish great civilizations.

24:27And now, therefore, the Mayor and Council of the City of Rockville, Maryland, do hereby proclaim November 27, 2026 as Native American Heritage Day and November 2026 as Native American Heritage Month and urge all members of the community to commemorate this month with appropriate programs and activities.

24:48Madam Mayor, I move the proclamation.

24:53And now I believe we have Ms. Anna Johnson as well as members of the Crow Nation and Sioux Nation to come and say a few words.

25:04Thank you. Thank you for having us. Thank you for the opportunity to accept this proclamation on behalf of our native peoples in Rockville.

25:26I grew up in the Rockville area and my father was in position to accept these proclamations.

25:35So it's an incredible honor to be able to accept this proclamation on behalf of our native people here today.

25:40It's really important the City of Rockville has always engaged our native communities and celebrated who we are as individuals and our contributions to not only the city, the county, but the state and who we are.

25:54And so we thank you for serving this proclamation to acknowledge a day for us, a month for us, but also to continue to include us in the conversations and make sure that we are here.

26:06We have an opportunity to have a seat at the table.

26:09One of the philosophies that are common amongst our native people representing different tribes across the nation is the philosophy of the seven generations ahead.

26:20The decisions that we make today, you know, impact our future generations to come.

26:25And I think that's evident, you know, with the city of Rockville celebrating proclaiming making this proclamation, you know, for my father to be an opportunity to accept this proclamation and me to be an opportunity to accept this today.

26:40And I hope that my family and our other youth here have a future opportunity to accept the proclamation and proudly represent our native people here today. So thank you.

27:16So I'm honored to have both myself and Dr. Miles up here to present this next proclamation because I know both of us over the past few years have had family members who have suffered and been able to relieve their suffering through hospice and palliative care.

28:07I want to say a few words as well.

28:09Thanks so much. Thank you to my colleague. We had a last minute change, so I appreciate the ability to say a few words about this very important as all of our proclamations are important.

28:19As he mentioned, this one gets close to home for both of us.

28:23Y'all may know some of y'all may know I lost my mom still over a year ago she thankfully came to live with us in our last month, and it reaffirmed the importance of hospice care.

28:34If you don't yourself don't know of anybody who's at that, or you're not currently facing the end of life I guess you all are here for that reason but perhaps you know somebody who is.

28:44Or you have a friend or family member who's taking care of somebody who's in their last moments here on this planet so what I would ask of you is to reach out to that friend, offer to pitch in maybe bring them a meal, give them a break so that they can go and take care of themselves.

29:01I can't tell you how much it meant to have family and friends close by to help me as we care for our mother. The last point I'll make is a pitch to all of us, regardless of whether you're actively caring for somebody in our last moments or not, is review your end of life documents, your will, your events directive.

29:21The tighter you make that now the easier it is on those who will care for you moving forward. I think I've said enough. Thanks so much.

29:29No, whereas for more than 40 years hospice has helped provide comfort and dignity to millions of people, allowing them to spend their final months at home, surrounded by people who are important to them.

29:43Now therefore the Mayor and Council of Rockville Maryland do hereby proclaim November, 2026 as national hospice and palliative care month and encourage all residents to increase their knowledge about person centered holistic care for all individuals facing serious and life threatening illnesses, discuss their healthcare wishes with those they care about and mark this month with appropriate

30:07learning, sharing, caring, grace and outreach with me. Okay, and Madam Mayor, I move the proclamation.

30:21And now I believe we have Dr. Leanne West to come say a few words together with panelists. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you, esteemed council members.

30:42It's a great honor and privilege to be here this evening. And just like all of you I've been touched very closely by caring for patients, as well as close family members at end of life.

30:53Post COVID we realized very quickly that my in laws and their late 80s had been losing a lot of weight, hearing more frail, falling more.

31:02My husband and I invited them to come live with us. And over the span of three years we lost my father in law to delayed cancer diagnosis for colorectal cancer, and then quickly followed by my mother in law.

31:16And having worked as an internist and hospice and palliative care physician for over 20 years now. I know the one thing that we can't do is change the course of the disease in the time that the disease marches along.

31:29And as a medical professional, I strongly encourage each one of you to normalize the conversations about what if, what if my heart stops beating, what if I'm unable to breathe.

31:41What if I go in with chest pain and find out I have advanced cancer. What are my wishes, so that your loved ones in turn can honor you.

31:49I really feel that we as a culture as a community shouldn't need to get to a place to normalize conversations around death and dying so that we honor the time that we have remaining on this earth, gentle the journey, and ease the suffering of fellow man.

32:03So it's with that, and my colleague, I just thank each one of you for increasing the awareness of National Hostile and Palliative Care Month, as well as Pancreatic Cancer Awareness Month.

32:14And with conversation and awareness comes more opportunities to reach patients where they are. Thank you so much.

32:49You heard a few remarks about end-of-life care. We also know that there's a lot of research that's going on to improve the state of cancer care.

32:59And this month we are honoring and declaring November 2026 as Pancreatic Cancer Awareness Month.

33:06We're talking about Breast Cancer Awareness Month last month. The point is please do what you can to get your annual screenings, listen to your body, advocate for yourself, and talk about your genetic risk factors in your family.

33:21These are conversations we also can be having as we're talking about estate planning, as well as end-of-life care.

33:27But there's a lot that we can do to understand our risk and try to catch cancer early.

33:33With that, I'll read the Pancreatic Cancer Awareness Month proclamation.

33:38Whereas Pancreatic Cancer Awareness Month is recognized each November as a time to bring understanding and response to the disease and the individuals and families affected by it.

33:49Pancreatic Cancer is the fourth leading cause of cancer death in the United States in 2026.

33:56More than 67,000 Americans are expected to be diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in the United States, and 52,000 will die from the disease.

34:05Whereas the City of Rockville, Maryland is fortunate to have the Pancreatic Cancer Action Network, also known as Pancan, in our community to offer support to those individuals and families affected by pancreatic cancer.

34:19Now therefore, the Mayor and Council of Rockville, Maryland do hereby proclaim November 2026 as Pancreatic Cancer Awareness Month and call upon all the people of Rockville to join their fellow residents in the community and across the region to participate in raising awareness and moving towards a future finding a cure.

34:37And with that, I'd like to welcome -- oh, sorry.

34:43Thank you. Do we have a second? All right.

34:45Council Member Miles moved, and Council Member Van Gragg second.

34:49All those in favor, please raise your hand and say aye.

34:51I know Dr. Leann was just said a few things about pancreatic cancer. Is there anything else you'd like to share?

34:56So if you would come up just -- and I'll give this to you.

35:11But increase awareness, at least increase hope, and please have those important conversations.

35:17Thank you. So we had a lot of important recognition, recognizing our cultural identity, recognizing our health, recognizing our workers, recognizing our environment.

35:46This is an important time to raise awareness in our community.

35:50I hope something that we said today sparks you to maybe make a doctor's appointment or to compost or to say thank you to a municipal worker or to recognize the people who were here before all of us.

36:00We will be back at about 6.30. Thank you to everyone who has joined us today.

36:16Good evening, Rockville. Today is November 2nd, 2026, and we are reconvening Meeting 27-26.

37:10I'd like to begin with agenda review, Ms. Sarah Taylor-Farrell.

37:13Madam Mayor and Council Members, there are no changes to the agenda for this evening.

37:19Thank you. And we have a number of public hearings. Can you just enumerate?

37:23Yes, Madam Mayor. We have two public hearings, one on our Chapter 8 update provisions and our charter amendments. Tonight's November 2nd, next Monday, November 9th, and then the proposed adoption for November 16th.

37:40Thank you. And we also have an annexation public hearing.

37:45Is that tonight?

37:47Not tonight.

37:49Not tonight, but in the future. Thank you very much. Mr. City Manager.

37:59Mayor Ashton, members of City Council, ladies and gentlemen, good evening.

38:03I'm going to continue to encourage people to go on to Engage Rockville.

38:09We are just now starting two very important neighborhood planning processes.

38:14One is for the East Rockville neighborhood, and the other is for the Rockville Pike neighborhood.

38:19If people have ideas, opinions on those two areas, we would encourage you to go on Engage Rockville and share your thoughts or restart that planning process.

38:27It's not just the first part of engagement, but the sooner we get comments from people, the better.

38:33I also want to just do my little part to talk about us all reminding each other to look out for one another when we're out in the public rights of way.

38:40It's daylight savings time, and if you do your own research, you'll know that there's a lot more people out and about using our right of way in the early evening hours, along with all the usual traffic.

38:53It's really important for all of us to be watching out for one another to make sure that our streets are safe for everybody.

38:59I also want to note that the Rockville ice rink is open in Rockville Town Center. That's really popular.

39:05It's open every day of the week and from the early afternoon till evening as well.

39:12And then last but not least, how about those World Series Champion Milwaukee Brewers?

39:18The city's been waiting 56 years to say that, so thank you, Mayor.

39:23Remember you're the city manager of Rockville now.

39:27That's true, Mayor.

39:30Thank you so much for that report.

39:33I also want to thank the Rockville City Police Department and team for planning a wonderful boo-vee night.

39:40I did say that right, boo-vee night.

39:42There were over 300 families who participated and lots of smiling faces in costumes, but it was a nice way to create partnership and support the community.

39:51I did want to just clarify there is a public hearing, two public hearings tonight, two related to elections next week as well on Monday.

40:00November 16th is when I was mentioning is the public hearing on the Shady Grove annexation, so I want to make sure public knows about those opportunities.

40:07And I just wanted, since we're talking about public opportunities, it's really important Montgomery County is having a major study on potential closures of schools.

40:17And it's a great opportunity for Rockville residents and the entire county to share feedback so that the survey closes tomorrow, November 4th, so please do that.

40:27And there are also several schools in Rockville on the positive side who have achieved four and five stars.

40:34So really, really nice to see so many schools within the city of Rockville represented.

40:38And lastly, please don't forget to vote.

40:40Vote, vote, vote tomorrow.

40:44There is a drop box right outside City Hall to make it easy and there are many voting locations across the city.

40:50All right. Thank you. So we're going to start with community forum.

40:56This is a chance for persons to address the mayor and council.

41:00Please speak in a civil and courteous manner and members of the audience.

41:03Please be respectful of each other.

41:05Each person is allowed three minutes.

41:07We have a time clock in front of you and you will hear an audible beep at the end of your three minutes.

41:12I do want to also acknowledge that we have six students from the AP government class in Montgomery Blair here in the city of Rockville today.

41:21Thank you so much for joining.

41:22Please tell your teacher.

41:23We said thank you for encouraging you to watch local government as part of that as well.

41:28So we welcome you.

41:29I'm going to call on the folks who have signed up in advance and then those who have signed up in the room.

41:37We have Guetta Hodova. Guetta Hodova here. All right. Next we have Kathleen Kleinman.

42:04Hello. I'm Kathleen Kleinman and I'm a city resident and I live at Victory Court which is pretty much right across the street.

42:14Several during this several months ago and I believe it was July I came and talked to you all about the condition of the sidewalks on a 200 block of Monroe that were lying in the front

42:28of the farmer's market and I specifically was telling the story of one of the residents of Victory Court who was out in a wheelchair for the pretty much for a second time.

42:40You know but she has spill in on the bad conditions of the sidewalk right in front of the farmer's market.

42:48I'm here today to let you know that has completely been rectified the new sidewalks.

42:56One of them still drying a little bit but they're beautifully smooth they're entirely appropriate.

43:02They're the minimum five foot width as as you had adopted as a standard.

43:11And on behalf of Victory Court I want to thank you for making it safer for your community members to participate.

43:18I would like to thank the mayor and council in particular.

43:22I would like to also thank the city manager Jeff Mahalik. Thank you.

43:28And I would also like to thank the recently retired Craig Simoneau. I'm sure he had a hand in this as well.

43:34So thank you for on behalf of me and behalf of my friends at Victory Court. Thank you.

43:41I appreciate you coming to community forum and sharing that information. Welcome J.D. Kumar.

43:48Is there anyone else who would like to speak. We will have a public hearing as a separate section.

43:59OK. We'll now move on to. All right. There he is. All right. Thank you Mayor Ashton.

44:23City of Rockwood Maryland Government Council CRMG. All this info not necessarily towards any of you individually or CRMG as a group.

44:32This is also for audience here and beyond. Thank you. J.D. Kumar here.

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45:52Montgomery County out large Scott Goldberg. It's his turn. Lori and sales. We all know this.

45:58I do not know Karen Sylvester but seems good resume. Merit earned leadership as are already discussed.

46:05I do not endorse county like many of you. Not an executive. Marky Mark Marco Elrich Elrico Suavecito.

46:15At Tacoma Parco who is not an executive. But my opinion a mental health limited ugly dirty skanky UDS.

46:24Whack job because of his not difference to ADA limited. And funding and supporting.

46:30F. D. M. M. A. O. Look it up. I explain F. D. M. L. in the past.

46:35Psychological false imprisonment abuses with M. C. P. D.

46:40Hostile no access M. C. M. G. No checks and balances.

46:45Wow. He's such a civil rights such a popular easy to do thing back in those days and today.

46:50Yet I'm the very true vulnerable minority today counting votes. He and all of you.

46:56So my sincere sincere request to do this. We must coalesce as U.S.A. Americans and disassociate from problem groups.

47:04You Sam I say now I'm a U.S.A. American from India not an Indian American.

47:09You all should say I'm a U.S.A. American of a Central American background Hispanic Latin next background from P.G.

47:15County U.S.A. American from P.G. County African American background Europe East Europe Appalachia

47:21something like this from upstate New York Canada New Mexico. Thank you very much for your testimony.

47:26This is a unity message. Thank you. Not a fragmentation. Okay. Thank you.

47:32We'll now move on to a special present our presentation on Vision Zero Progress Update like to welcome staff member Andrew

47:39Luke Meyer transportation and engineering supervisor Public Works as well as Jim Woods acting director of Public Works. Welcome.

48:07Thank you. Good evening. Madam Mayor and members of the council I'm Andrew Luke Meyer representing the city's traffic and

48:16transportation division of Public Works and I'm here to present the bi-annual Vision Zero Progress Update.

48:23Here's the agenda for tonight's presentation. We will provide an overview of the goal of Vision Zero discuss what we are

48:35seeing for crash data and recent crashes review our public engagement efforts highlight the city's ongoing projects

48:43and discuss the state and county coordination that is taking place.

48:47For some people tuning in they might not be familiar with Vision Zero. Vision Zero is the city's comprehensive

48:57transportation safety program. The Vision Zero action plan was approved by the mayor and council in 2020.

49:03The overarching goal of Vision Zero is to eliminate serious injuries and deaths caused by traffic crashes.

49:11The program is multimodal meaning it is for all roadway users. So this inclusive this is inclusive of pedestrians

49:20bicyclists motorists as well as transit users. In addition the program is multidisciplinary.

49:29Well there's a lot of focus on the built environment of the road network and how it is engineered.

49:35There are several other key pillars holding up the program. These other pillars include enforcement coordinated

49:43with the police department to ensure that roadway users are following roadway laws and are not distracted.

49:48Education staff regularly participates in education programs like bike to school day and engagement activities

49:56like walk and roll events with the public. And the last pillar is policy policy includes policy includes making sure

50:06our regulations and laws are sound instituting fairness and equity in our programming and activities

50:11to create the safe environment we strive to achieve for the traveling public.

50:15The graphic on the current slide displays crash data for the period from January 1st to June 30th

50:27for the years 2015 through 2026. The data reflects serious injury crash numbers ranging from 3 to 10

50:34and fatal crash numbers ranging from 0 to 3 when comparing the first halves of the last 11 years.

50:41The averages are seven serious injury crashes and 1.3 fatal crashes.

50:49In terms of total crashes there were 437 of all severities compared to an average of 425 from 2015 to 2026, 2025 excuse me.

51:01High injury network represents half mile segments of streets that have had four or more serious injury

51:13or fatal crashes in a five year period. This data is inclusive of the period from 2020 to 2024, excuse me.

51:23And we expect to update this information to be inclusive of 2021 to 2025 next year.

51:29Looking at the data there are five high injury networks, all of which are on state roads.

51:35Here's a maps depiction of the high injury networks listed in the table from the previous slide.

51:45The triangles represent the 2025 serious injury and fatal crashes.

51:50Again the high injury network information will be updated next year to be inclusive of the five year period

51:56from 2021 to 2025 bringing this up to date.

52:00Not all but most of the 2025 crashes that contribute to identifying the high injury networks are on state roadways.

52:07In the first half of 2026 there were three fatal crashes in the city.

52:16These locations are on Norbeck Road at Avery Road, Norbeck Road at East Goody Drive and North Horner's Lane at South Lawn Lane.

52:25After a fatal crash the city conducts a post-crash inspection.

52:30This occurs every time and whether the crash is on a state road or not.

52:35We evaluate such things as the existing lighting, pavement surface quality, sidewalk quality, sign retroreflectivity,

52:44pavement marking conditions and other other than other items.

52:51If there are any immediate deficiencies the city will address those if it is on a city roadway

52:56or we will share the information if the crash happened on a state roadway.

53:02In addition a memo discussing our findings is prepared and posted to the city's website.

53:11Unfortunately we had another fatal crash involving a pedestrian on August 17th at the intersection of Twinbrook Parkway and Chapman Avenue.

53:19This crash occurred outside of our current reporting period but we still wanted to mention it as part of this presentation.

53:26In response to the crash the city conducted its post-crash inspection and report.

53:30The city is waiting on the crash reconstruction unit report that comes from the county police.

53:39This will provide the circumstances that led to the crash and provide another resource for us to utilize

53:45as we plan and evaluate further improvements at this location in a comprehensive way.

53:55As we contemplate another comprehensive evaluation of the intersection

53:59it is important to understand upgrades and improvements that were made here in the past decade.

54:04In 2018 construction was completed on the Twinbrook area pedestrian safety improvements project.

54:12This project brought about significant changes to not only the geometric features of the intersection

54:18but also to the traffic signal.

54:20Some of the physical geometric features included the elimination of the hot right at the southwest corner of the intersection

54:29which in turn brought the curb out further increasing visibility and shortening crossing distances for pedestrians.

54:37We also introduced this crosswalk where one previously did not exist on the east leg of the intersection

54:44and added bike lanes north of the intersection on Chapman Avenue.

54:48The signal improvements associated with this project included adding accessible pedestrian signals

54:54which are the tactile and audible push buttons as well as the countdown pedestrian signals

55:01which provide the numerical countdown for the permissible walk phases

55:06instead of the old style flashing hand that used to be customary.

55:11More recently in 2023 the city introduced leading pedestrian interval at this location

55:18and in 2026 added turning traffic yield to ped signs for both the northbound traffic on Chapman

55:26turning to eastbound Twinbrook Parkway.

55:31Finally this location was included in the 2024 transportation alternatives program grant project

55:38that studied various intersections for safety improvements and missing sidewalk links for feasibility

55:44all within the Twinbrook neighborhood.

55:51This map shows the locations of the intersections and the missing sidewalk links

55:56evaluated as part of the transportation alternatives program grant project.

56:01As part of the project seven missing sidewalk links were studied for feasibility

56:05of which two have already been constructed and three will be pursued in the future.

56:11Also included were eight intersection improvement studies

56:14of which the recommendations at two have already been implemented

56:19and five more have planned improvements expected to be implemented in the next three years.

56:26The recommended improvements at Twinbrook and Chapman will be implemented in 2027

56:30because there are many locations associated with this project

56:35it's difficult to implement everything all at once.

56:44Early in the presentation I mentioned education is one of the pillars of Vision Zero.

56:49Public engagement is a big part of the education piece for us.

56:54I want to extend a special thanks to our communications and community engagement department

56:58for helping us spread the word on Vision Zero.

57:00They are crucial partners in this effort and help with ideas on how to reach more people.

57:06The city recently launched the It's Up To Us campaign.

57:09A collective effort with a simple but important message.

57:13Everyone plays a role in keeping Rockville streets safe

57:16whereas up to everyone to keep all of us safe.

57:19This campaign reminds community members that whether driving, walking, rolling, biking

57:26or taking transit everyone has a responsibility to pay attention,

57:30follow the rules of the road and look out for one another.

57:33I encourage everyone to be on the lookout for more videos

57:39and social media posts with helpful safety tips.

57:41In addition our staff recently participated in a new episode of conversations with the mayor and council

57:49where we discussed Vision Zero, Complete Streets, the sidewalk program

57:53and the Stone Street corridor project with council member Fulton.

57:56Sharing information and engaging directly with the public is obviously an important component of the program.

58:07On this slide are a list of events that we participate in.

58:12Whether it is a bike to school or work event or the Department of Public Works equipment show

58:17we attend to hear from residents and share the work that we are actively doing around the city.

58:22Also if there are any residents or citizen groups who would like to learn more about Vision Zero

58:27or the ongoing city projects please reach out to the Traffic and Transportation Division of Public Works

58:33to see how we can provide more information.

58:35Lastly on public engagement if you are looking for more information on Vision Zero

58:44or other transportation related topics in the city I would encourage you to visit the city's website.

58:49Look for social media posts and review the print and online version of the Rockville Reports newsletter.

58:56There are a lot of good pieces of information in those resources.

58:59Moving on from public engagement and speaking of the things we are doing

59:09let's talk about the projects that are currently taking place or recently completed.

59:13This slide shows a map of the city with over 70 different projects of varying types that we are working on.

59:21These projects range in size and scope and include studies, designs, and construction projects

59:27for things like intersection and traffic signal improvements, sidewalks,

59:32more substantial roadway projects fitting under the complete streets umbrella,

59:37traffic calming, bicycle facilities, and even a pedestrian and bicycle bridge.

59:42Talking about some of these projects more specifically let's start with traffic calming.

59:52Traffic calming refers to roadway improvements that reduce vehicle speeds to improve safety for all road users.

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2:00:00for letting me ramble on so thank you madam mayor a couple quick things I noted and some of the

2:00:12questions I sent we have gotten a lot of comments about bus stops being mid-block and I wanted to

2:00:18note you all have been working on a study on analyzing where all those concerning bus stops

2:00:24are and that in vision zero 2.0 you'd be looking at the implementation the coordination with the

2:00:29county because they and lamada on some of those bus stops is that correct just wanted to make

2:00:35sure residents know that yes that's something that we will definitely consider for the next

2:00:39update on the action plan okay and then another concern I've heard in a lot of different

2:00:43neighborhoods is the lighting so we often think about sidewalks and paveings but the lighting

2:00:50factor is something that people when they especially at times like now when it starts to

2:00:55get dark you know it's darker earlier in the season and that's that's a kind of analysis that

2:01:00I've been hearing from residents wanting to know more about how we're looking at pedestrian safety

2:01:05from a lighting perspective but that's something that we can control and can do ourselves so if

2:01:11there is a particular location that a resident is concerned about being not lit adequately

2:01:17they can let us know we can do a nighttime inspection and if there is a need for additional

2:01:21lighting we can either install it ourselves or we can request it of pepco to have it installed

2:01:28thank you I mean I feel like I hear that in a number of neighborhoods I'm just throwing out

2:01:32two right now we've recently heard that at the college gardens community as well as we've heard

2:01:37it in the torn book sessions that we've listened to but I think it's a it's not unique to one

2:01:42area so it's just another lens I know a lot of our work is done during a day I know you do crash

2:01:48analysis at night but a lot of the sidewalk and looking at engineering is done daytime and I just

2:01:54want to flag the nighttime need as well the last two things is I know everyone has been waiting for

2:02:01the pedestrian walkway to be done I know you're working with wamata on that bridge in the future

2:02:07and that whole re-envisioning the station is there anything you want to say about that

2:02:13you're talking about promenade park promenade park and the walkway they're connected in town

2:02:19center so I think I'll take that one boy that's a cast of thousands it's public works my office a

2:02:27private developer rec and park department we're really trying to I'll try to give a tight answer

2:02:33to a really unified look from the metro station the pedestrian bridge up and over promenade park

2:02:40it's not the the most inviting area I'll just say it that way and we need to improve that

2:02:46both from our lighting perspective to a comfort to a visibility to really getting people to use

2:02:54that more comfortably even from a safety perspective we've applied for multiple grants

2:02:58we haven't heard back we're likely going to have an agreement between the city and the developer

2:03:03to present to all of you about some funding of those improvements but it's pretty high up on

2:03:07the radar because it's an area that's needs some improvement there thank you and the last two

2:03:14comments I wanted to flag is sometimes we do great work on the asphalt on the streets and the

2:03:19sidewalk and then the utility or a contractor comes through and North Washington is when I

2:03:25got a complaint today I saw it last week and the week before there is debris in the newly created

2:03:32bike lane from the asphalt the question is how do we as a city monitor others work to make sure

2:03:38that they are leaving our streets to our standard because we may go in and do a nice job and then

2:03:42they come back in and do something that's not quite what we were anticipating well our construction

2:03:48inspectors any work that's done in the the city requires a permit so our constructed inspectors

2:03:54are aware of when that work is being done and we have restoration requirements as part of the

2:03:58permit conditions many contractors are required to post the bond if they're not able to perform

2:04:04we were able to call the bond and do our work ourselves which happens rarely but where I thought

2:04:10you were going was how do we coordinate the work to ensure that they're not doing construction on a

2:04:16section of road that's been newly paved we have instituted internally a pavement coordination

2:04:22meeting that we hold bi-annually and that's to ensure that our projects are coordinated because

2:04:27we do utility projects we do transportation improvements and lots of other work in the

2:04:34public right away so we want to make sure that our own projects are coordinated we also have

2:04:38partnerships with wscc with pepco with washington gas to make sure their their major utility

2:04:44projects are not going to occur on a on a street that we have recently paved so there's lots of

2:04:49coordination done regionally and within the city to ensure that doesn't happen and our construction

2:04:54inspectors are out there making sure that that work is done that particular location that you're

2:04:58talking about on north washington street we're aware that the pavement has not been permanently

2:05:03repaired yet the contractor is responsible for doing so our inspection team is out there making

2:05:08sure that happens and we expect it to be done later this week that's fantastic i do think

2:05:13though when they put rubble in a bike lane that's not okay even for two weeks but i and

2:05:21i know your team is working on that and and i did get a nice response so i really appreciate

2:05:25that you guys are making them come back out to fix it properly but i was i was just thinking

2:05:30that could be a trip hazard um and the last thing is um i heard from and councilmember

2:05:35rangrak and i were in drop-in with uh one of the hrc commissioners who was talking about the

2:05:41interplay between um transportation mobility people with disabilities as well as the environment

2:05:49and um council of governments also had a recent discussion on thinking about transit with rising

2:05:55temperatures so i i know that's a cross section between department between parts of your department

2:06:01in terms of sustainability as well as transit but it's a growing area of concern you know we

2:06:07can't think of it now but in the summer times it gets hotter and hotter uh and thinking about how

2:06:12do we protect people who are waiting at the bus or on sidewalks and i know we do a nice job of

2:06:18planting trees to try to create those spaces but i just wanted to raise that issue because it is

2:06:23also a pedestrian and bike safety issue thank you well thank you so much for this wonderful

2:06:29presentation and uh we look forward to continued updates i hear one more question go ahead um so

2:06:35one more question i want to bring up i think it could be a precursor to one of our consent agenda

2:06:40items and one of the consent agenda items tonight is also in your presentation identified

2:06:45as a scout of ears drive now obviously the cost sharing agreement that we're talking about here

2:06:52obviously we want to you've heard about it from us we want to see if we can get other funding

2:06:55but one question i noted is there's still a three million dollar kind of

2:07:01back load of what we want to do i presume that the city would not go forward with construction

2:07:07partial construction without ensuring that there's a pathway to funding meaning that

2:07:13currently that path is used by school children used by community members and if there's any

2:07:19construction of that area because of how narrow it is it's going to provide extreme constraints

2:07:29so i just want to make sure that we're not going to go forward with any construction until we know

2:07:33there's funding meaning there's a clear end game with what we were going to do yeah we would not

2:07:38do any work in the right of way or work the state to do any work in the right of way until one we

2:07:42have all the funding lined up two we have a reasonable construction schedule and three to

2:07:47your point that it's absolutely a safe area knowing that that can be a challenging area

2:07:51for pedestrians okay so so we don't have to worry about like uncompleted construction in that area

2:07:59due to a funding deficit great okay that was my only issue councilman jackson thank you mayor um

2:08:07you juggle memory uh i figured what it was but um you know i've been talking with people uh

2:08:14around the city as well and one question that keeps coming up and maybe you guys can shed

2:08:19some line on it is the no ride on red so can you explain to us which roads have it which roads

2:08:26don't and why uh well no each intersection is uh is evaluated independently for um for

2:08:37specific warrants for no ride on red the mutcd is the uniform traffic control design manual

2:08:44um we it has specific warrants that must be evaluated when implementing any any type of

2:08:49transportation or traffic improvement in particular no right on red so there's a

2:08:54specific set of warrants that is evaluated uh when it is warranted we could consider

2:09:00implementing no right on red at those intersections uh and when it's not we typically would not

2:09:04recommend doing so so but i'll thought as well i mean i'm thinking about uh specifically uh

2:09:10like county roads um it seems like maybe that they have uh passed a law ordinance that requires

2:09:20no right on reds or i'm just uh the county has done a few different things um at intersections

2:09:30to implement no right on red um even in areas where it's not not particularly warranted um

2:09:36we don't want to speak for them how they came to that conclusion or or what their criteria is

2:09:41but they're not following the exact warrant studies like we do today okay so i mean basically

2:09:46what you're saying is that you have a process for deciding when no right on red will apply in the

2:09:53city rockville which is a great answer i just want to make sure that that's um that's the answer and

2:09:59my final it's not a question really but um i so a couple of weeks ago uh uh councilmember then

2:10:10grack and i were out at uh an event and um uh we ran into a delegate who um uh i won't say his name

2:10:20but he uses this program called the right program w r i t e uh religiously and it allows him to go

2:10:29to a form hosted by the city of rockville enter in when you see somebody uh running a stop sign

2:10:37or speeding in the neighborhood or things like that and he submits it and i guess these uh

2:10:44police department uh writes a letter to the uh offender um telling them that they saw

2:10:53this uh car on this date uh doing that violation and this was actually news to uh councilmember

2:11:01van gracken i so um first of all do we know about this program secondly did we maybe promote it more

2:11:10or is it just a figment of his imagination like what is the right program so i can see everybody

2:11:17in the chamber wanting to be a tattle on your neighbor kind of thing right now so let me ask

2:11:22the police department to put together a response to all of you thank you i am aware of that i also

2:11:33note that it's not quite well linked on the vision zero page as in your messes so it could be a

2:11:38cross department thing um thank you so much for all of the work that you're doing uh and i want

2:11:46to acknowledge uh andrew thank you for being here and stepping in for a fearless leader on

2:11:54vision zero work um i know it's not easy there's a lot of feedback that you have to get from the

2:11:59community uh and it is so appreciated and thank you to acting director woods as well we appreciate

2:12:05you and all the people behind you making our city safe thank you all right we're now moving on to

2:12:20our consent agenda item we have a few items on this list nine a is authorization for the city

2:12:27manager to execute both a reimbursement agreement and letter of no objection from william gas for

2:12:33the reimbursement and construction inspection fees and other requirements this is a project for the

2:12:38senior center entrance project that we have discussed in the past that would allow for

2:12:43an entry from um the other side of the senior center so that folks north of the city can more

2:12:48easily get into the senior center nine b is authorization for the city manager to execute a

2:12:54cross sharing agreement with the maryland state highway administration for the design of scott

2:12:59and veers drive this is a shared used bike pedestrian pathway uh we've talked about that

2:13:04during our vision zero discussion nine c approval of a subordination agreement between the mayor

2:13:10and council and neighbor works capital related to scarborough square townhomes in college gardens

2:13:16and apartments and the authorization for the city manager to execute the subordination agreement

2:13:22and related documents this is um something that will enable r h e to be able to reenter into new

2:13:29terms for their loan and to have some cost savings to support affordable housing item d is

2:13:36the approval of minutes for october 12 2026 does anyone have any questions before we entertain a

2:13:45motion all right do we have a motion councilmember jackson thank you mayor uh i move to approve

2:13:52consent agenda items a b c and d thank you do we have a second council member fang greg seconds all

2:13:59those in favor please raise your hand and say aye it is unanimous thank you very much we'll now

2:14:06move into a public hearing and this is related to amendments proposed amendments to chapter eight

2:14:13elections of the rockville city code to update definitions campaign finance provisions

2:14:19enforcement provisions to add powers of duty section for the board of supervisor of elections

2:14:24to enact new provisions enabling 16 and 17 year olds to register and vote to enact term limits

2:14:30to implement new requirements from the state and to make additional modifications to improve the

2:14:34administration of this chapter i'd like to ask our city clerk if this hearing has been properly

2:14:43advertised madam mayor this um has been properly advertised in the washington post on october the

2:14:49ninth and the 15th this is the first public hearing for uh on chapter eight entitled elections

2:14:57tonight we'll have a second one next monday night on october on november 9th and then

2:15:05possible adoption for november 16th i will add that this chapter also includes the 2031

2:15:14election changes for the rank choice voting public financing and also the random ballot

2:15:23as well and the next public hearing will be on the three charter amendments that the city

2:15:29attorney will take thank you and uh madam clerk would you explain to the public because this is

2:15:35broken out into two so that they know when to testify on each item okay so chapter eight um

2:15:43is on the updates to the election code itself and the charter amendments and the second public

2:15:49hearing will be on the 16 17 year olds the term limits and the 18 years age to serve so there are

2:16:00two public hearings and we'd like to keep them separate if we could so we are recording these

2:16:06transcripts thank you so if someone is specifically wanting to speak on the

2:16:12chart amendments for uh voting age term limits you would like them to make to a second hearing

2:16:19yes okay just want to make sure the public understands the difference all right i'm going

2:16:24to move forward with public hearing number one we have william mccugan do we have william mccugan

2:16:35in the room mccugan sorry all right michelle wittaker do you want to come now thank you uh

2:16:55good evening mayor and council it's so good to see you uh every time i get to come uh to rockville

2:17:01and to uh talk to you i'm always enjoying myself and i want to give a shout out to my daughter

2:17:07who i should be watching in the conference room if she hasn't wandered off to the vending machine

2:17:11again um i'm michelle wittaker i'm the executive director for rank choice voting maryland we are a

2:17:17grassroots organization that's working across the state to both educate and advocate for better

2:17:23elections and with rank choice voting and i just want to take a moment to as you acknowledge that

2:17:30tomorrow is election day across the state um and it's an opportunity for each of us to have our

2:17:35voices heard um and we always want our voice to count and to matter in the election um i think

2:17:42it's critically important that we take our time to go out and vote tomorrow and continue the work

2:17:48that we need to do every day to build our communities up to make sure that our government

2:17:53works effectively for all and to make sure that we can have better elections and one way that we

2:17:58can do that is with rank choice voting on behalf of our organization and all of our supporters i

2:18:05want to strongly support the additions that you're making both adding rank choice voting

2:18:10and public financing in section eight dash 48 um and i am mentioning both of them because

2:18:18we've seen this in montgomery county when this county introduced public financing we saw an

2:18:24increase in the number of candidates that ran in both 2018 and 2022 and we'll continue to see that

2:18:31every year as people are running because they recognize the value of being able to use

2:18:37grassroots dollars to run for office we saw that even in this election year those grassroots

2:18:43dollars make a difference where they feel like they're the power of people putting their small

2:18:49dollars together to help move a candidate forward matters and when you have more candidates running

2:18:54which i think is a great thing to make sure that we have different voices and can share different

2:18:59ideas that's when we also need a system that helps everybody truly reflect who they want to

2:19:06see represent them and this isn't about creating a system that rigs it for one person one party

2:19:12one different group or another it's about giving everybody an opportunity to fully express these

2:19:17are the people that i want to run for or to represent me when they get elected so we really

2:19:24hope that you'll continue to move this forward we know that this is something that will be a

2:19:29provision for 2031 and we are continuing to do the work as i've told you before to help do

2:19:35education and we just wrapped up our voter education in tokama park for their election

2:19:41and it was really a great opportunity to talk to new voters in the city about the election system

2:19:46as well as seasoned voters who have been using ranked choice voting for the last two decades

2:19:51to remind them of what the system is and to make sure that they're getting out to vote

2:19:55and putting their mail-in ballots in the right drop box so we've got lots of opportunities to

2:20:01do this and to educate i'm excited my team's excited we've got a few volunteers here we're

2:20:06really excited to do that work and so i i hope that this goes through and continues to pass

2:20:12and the last thing while our organization has not taken a position on 16 and 17 year old voting

2:20:19i do want to stress that this is a great opportunity with 16 and 17 year old voting

2:20:24to expand the opportunities to grow people who have lifelong commitment and participation

2:20:31in government and in elections in particular so i think it's one thing that we should look at

2:20:37and i'm looking forward to that discussion and i hope that you guys have a great time and a great

2:20:43time this evening and london we're not leaving yet we still have to listen to more discussions

2:20:47so all right thank you thank you jade ukumar okay thank you very much is there anyone else

2:20:58who would like to speak on this portion of the public hearing we do have the we will next move

2:21:04to the charter amendments so if you want to speak to 16 and 17 year old voting term limits

2:21:12we will get to that but anyone else would like to speak now uh miss sarah tail forl uh can you

2:21:20just confirm that the record will remain open the record will remain open until november 16th

2:21:25at five o'clock p.m thank you very much okay so now we'll move on to our next public hearing

2:21:33which specifically focuses on the charter amendments to amend charter to reduce the

2:21:42minimum voting age for municipal elections require mayor and council members to be 18 years of age

2:21:48to serve on council and three to limit the number of consecutive terms an elected official may serve

2:21:54we have a number of folks who have signed up and we have some written comments as well

2:22:00the first person who signed up is cam care is cam care here welcome please state your name and

2:22:07whether you live in the city of raffle hi i'm cam cur i attend montgomery blur high school

2:22:13in service from maryland and as a teenager i was wondering if we could maybe put limits

2:22:22on e-bikes especially like lime scooters and all of this because i see many of my peers

2:22:28irresponsibly use these to get from in school or somewhere after school and when i see them using

2:22:38them i can see that it can become very dangerous like going on the streets or going on the

2:22:42sidewalks i myself have seen collisions of my friends driving and like they almost hit a car

2:22:48or they're swerving in the sidewalks or the streets and earlier in this meeting you guys

2:22:53addressed this and i would like to see if there was any way to change this and as well i was

2:23:00wondering as a teenager are there ways that i can make an impact like regarding this or just

2:23:06issues in general besides voting because i myself i was born in august i'm a sophomore

2:23:11but in 2011 so i'm like in the younger part of my grade so i can't vote right now or do other

2:23:19things that 16 year olds could do but i still want to see a change in my community thank you

2:23:24very much thank you welcome Brigitte Mulligan good evening mayor and council all of you know

2:23:37that i live in terumbra for 60 years and i have to tell you i've really worked on this

2:23:44testimony tonight um i oppose 16 year olds to vote and i have so many things i want to say

2:23:51and my four pages was nine nine minutes i tried to get it to three minutes it was on

2:23:57it was impossible so what i'm going to try to do is just hit some highlights i've already given

2:24:03a hard copy to the clerk and i'll send it to you electronically because i really want you to see

2:24:08all my comments because there's a lot that i can't do in three minutes so as i am here i'm

2:24:13opposing and i strongly disagree with the eight member rockville charter review commission's

2:24:20recommendation in my view they fail to reflect the range of residents opinions and seem to favor

2:24:28a single position and we all know that we've had the referendum in 2023 69 percent of the voters

2:24:37objected to 16 year olds and i think 20 what did i say 28 was for it and i i feel very strongly

2:24:46that you should really consider the voters now there's about 10 different areas that i want to

2:24:53want to hit on the distinctions between minors and adults the maryland juvenile justice reform

2:25:01recognized the importance legal distinction between minors and adults i questioned lowering

2:25:08the the voting age to 16 when other laws continue to treat minors differently from adults it was

2:25:16always my understanding that the adult age was 18 and as you know generally the age 18 if you

2:25:24want to go into the service to financial independence and responsibility most 16 year

2:25:31olds are still financially dependent on their parents or guardians i know my 16 year old daughter

2:25:38just got a car she's driving now and she's not paying taxes and she should never vote until

2:25:44she's paying property taxes or having a job paying taxes financial um legal and financial

2:25:52responsibilities um we all know that they that the minors cannot um independently enter into a

2:26:01enforceable contract uh 16 year old drivers generally add it to their parents guardian auto

2:26:09and policy they can get their own insurance also the federal law restricts applicants under 21 to

2:26:16get a credit card account parents are actually responsible for those accounts if they get one

2:26:22so my my objection is 16 year olds are not responsible should not be voting and as i said

2:26:30i have 10 points and my time's already up so please please read my comments and maybe i can

2:26:36condense my testimony next time for only three minutes but there are some

2:26:40a lot of questions that i want you all to answer thank you thank you very much we'll look forward

2:26:44to your written testimony welcome rick muy good evening mayor and council my name is rick muy

2:26:55spelled mu i am a proud resident of rockville i live at 708 west montgomery we will undoubtedly

2:27:04hear passionate testimony to support lowering the voting age most likely centered around

2:27:11earlier engagement or here having a say in how the government or city operates those opposed

2:27:20will focus on the lack of maturity where the tender age of 16 and 17 leads or leads or lends

2:27:30to continuing mental development today i offer my opinion leveraged on my experiences as number one

2:27:38a u.s naval academy admissions representative for most of rockville which provides me the

2:27:44opportunity to engage with 16 to 18 year olds as they prepare for college i'm a parent of a 14

2:27:52year old i participate in multiple non-profits that provide opportunities and scholarships

2:28:00to youth volunteers and four i engage i engage with 15 neighbors across the west end in college

2:28:08gardens today so let me uh dive very quickly into the uh risks that i've i've came up with risk

2:28:17number one 16 year olds may not have completed a government course in high school some are still

2:28:22in the nsl course afon bravo national state and local government course in high school they may

2:28:29not understand how the electoral electoral system works risk number two the typical world view and

2:28:34life experiences may benefit from one or two years of employment developing savings and good

2:28:41financial management habits before they start voting number three risk number three lack of

2:28:46access from potential political campaigns to inform our minors without direct interface via

2:28:54emails phones phone calls or connecting in person 16 and 17 year olds would rely on social media

2:29:02or their parents to inform their vote which then violates any independent vote as an alternative i

2:29:11would like to offer two real quick ones american legion offers the maryland's boys and girls state

2:29:18which offers practical hands-on learning for state county and local level administration

2:29:26also youth and minors are encouraged to volunteer with non-profits or they can even join boards and

2:29:34commissions for the city of rockville and they can actually impact things that they would like

2:29:39to vote on in the future so if it's not clear yet i love minors and youth and minors i want

2:29:46them to stay engaged but uh voting may be a little bit out of their hands thank you very much thank

2:29:53you for your testimony next welcome jd kumar okay mams i'll do my best here um here's the

2:30:12reason why i thank you crng again jd kumar here my website vote jdk.com this will not be completely

2:30:19coherent because i was not aware of this public hearing your rcpd also just abused me again here

2:30:25because i went a few seconds over and not acceptable they do not do this with other

2:30:30people that go a few seconds over so they should not do that with me now these types of abuses on

2:30:35multiple occasions so my request i'd like you to um because it's not that coherent and i got

2:30:42flustered outside i'd like you to um and also i forgot the previous one if you can give me extra

2:30:48time if i need it but that's your choice i have been very decency with them rcpd most of them very

2:30:56professional very well trained but you have a few problem ones and this brings me to this youth

2:31:02voting issue i'm all for empowering people as much as possible maximizing people's potential

2:31:09but i will relate security and law enforcement um the issue you have now with our uh this

2:31:18basically our country an issue is you have a lot of people from an illegal undocumented background

2:31:23and you know i've been up here at Montgomery County Council meetings and i've coined the term

2:31:27eimc established immigrant migrant now merit communities my decency i've also coined the term

2:31:35historically janitorial not appreciative not appreciated historically janitorial not appreciated

2:31:42hjna so i support the hispanic community a lot i have a college degree in it i've studied in

2:31:50latin america and so forth but they don't treat me equal including some not so good elements within

2:31:56your rcpd now mcps school uh the kids that go to school are about 80 from that illegal undocumented

2:32:05background you just cannot have people of an illegal undocumented background and um uh security

2:32:13and law enforcement it is extremely dangerous if you give these same youth that are that are all

2:32:19over illegal undocumented background you will get these types of um uh local government that's

2:32:26put together and all the different departments with heavily discriminating people um so here's

2:32:33the solution if we can certify them a real certification where they really understand

2:32:39history they understand the effect of the uh the usa the wealth immense wealth of the british

2:32:45empire british commonwealth countries colonial slavery lineage if they're really taught all this

2:32:51the people from the central american illegal undocumented background with their limited false

2:32:56narratives on wealth gaps then we can you know um uh get more youth in there i'd like them to be

2:33:03able to vote your rcv lady here um and i forget her name um i was discussing something similar

2:33:11again if i can go over a minute over i'm sorry sir no we cannot but we can um it's okay we're

2:33:16good thank you very much we're okay thank you he's fine yeah he's fine just thank you thank you

2:33:28very much we appreciate the testimony i know that um not everyone can say everything they need to

2:33:32say in the three minutes but we welcome uh email testimony as well is there anyone else who would

2:33:40like to speak good evening madam mayor and council my name is georgiana and i am a sophomore at

2:33:58montgomery blair high school i am not a city of rockville resident however i have friends who do

2:34:05live in the city of rockville and about the the matter of 16 and 17 year olds being to vote

2:34:14i think as a student who is almost 16 years old i think we should be able to vote especially

2:34:21because previous speakers mentioned that we don't have digital literacy on social media

2:34:28and we don't have financial independence however i myself am an employee of the city of rockville

2:34:35i do have a job i work at the rockville swimming fitness center and i would like to think i have

2:34:44financial not independence but i do take care of my finances i put majority of my funds into an

2:34:53index fund and i am educated on how to rather save money and i think especially in this generation

2:35:03it is important for teenagers to be able to voice their opinions especially because it can be very

2:35:10frustrating if we are 16 or 17 year olds say almost about a turn 18 and we are unable to vote

2:35:19on the issues that determine our future especially because there is no minimum or sorry maximum age

2:35:27to vote so i think the minimum age to vote should be lowered so there is a larger demographic

2:35:36especially because it is again deciding our future and our issues yeah thank you for your

2:35:43testimony does anyone else who would like to speak i do want to again acknowledge that we

2:35:51received written comments we also received a voicemail that i sent over to staff to

2:35:56make sure that's transcribed uh miss sarah taylor forl do you want to have any closing

2:36:04remarks on this one no only that our second public hearing will be uh next monday on november

2:36:119th and possible adoption on both chapter 8 and the charter amendments will be on november 16th

2:36:19and the record will remain open until november 16th at five o'clock p.m thank you i have one

2:36:26potential request to look at the information we're putting out on our page that talks about

2:36:31the public hearing we do recognize the four major pieces with court amendments voting age

2:36:38term limits and minimum age for council we did add some things and i think it's important for

2:36:43the public to know a little bit more high level of the things that we're doing so for 2031

2:36:48there's a discussion about public finance and ranked choice voting that should be listed there

2:36:53the other things that we noted were the third voting center the randomization collecting

2:36:59signatures electronically there's a couple of the highlights when we did the landlord tenant code

2:37:02that was like a fact sheet just wondering if we can add a little bit more depth to some of the

2:37:06major changes so that people can see those i've also heard requests from the community to link to

2:37:12our task force report as well as referenda so that people can have that background absolutely

2:37:19thank you very much all right we'll look forward to getting more testimony next week monday thank

2:37:27you to everyone who participated today we'll now move on to agenda item 11a which is a twin brook

2:37:36place housing opportunity fund deployment we welcome presenter ryan trout who's the director

2:37:42of housing and community development and uh this is part of our framework of looking at how we

2:37:50expand affordable housing in the city and thinking about creative financing to accomplish those goals

2:37:55welcome mr trout good evening madam mayor members of the council uh once again my name

2:38:02is ryan trout and i'm the director of housing and community development tonight we'll be talking

2:38:09about uh twin brook place apartments and deployment of some housing opportunity fund

2:38:16resources so a quick outline of the presentation this evening we'll go over some requested action

2:38:24we'll go through uh some background a project overview we'll talk about the impact statements

2:38:30uh the fiscal impact some next steps we'll circle back to the requested action and then

2:38:36we'll have a recommended motion so the requested action this evening is to authorize the city

2:38:43manager to execute an agreement with art ends housing owner llc in the form of a low interest

2:38:49loan of 1.5 million dollars to support the development of 125 affordable units for some

2:39:00quick background uh as you remember housing is one of the five focus areas the mayor and council

2:39:05in 2024 there were three work sessions on the city's housing strategies those are supply

2:39:11subsidy and stability providing financing assistance to affordable housing developers

2:39:16was approved as one of those strategies by the mayor and council uh in the summer of 2026 the

2:39:21housing needs assessment recommended supporting low-income housing tax credit development through

2:39:26GAAP loans and other supports uh earlier this year the mayor and council on consent agenda

2:39:35approved the MPDU agreement for uh for this property and the city has had similar loans for

2:39:42redevelopment of parkside landing and Scarborough Square apartments both of which were RHE

2:39:47properties so a quick uh overview of the project uh so twin brook place apartments is an adaptive

2:39:57reuse of a commercial building constructed in 2004 it is approved for 125 units all of which

2:40:05are income restricted to households at or below 80 percent of AMI here on the slide we have the

2:40:11different AMI tiers 48 of these units or 38 percent of the project are at or below 50 percent AMI

2:40:20this project all of those units are protected under affordable housing programs through the

2:40:26through the Maryland CDA uh and through LIHTC covenants which is a 15-year compliance period

2:40:33plus another 15-year extended use period so about a minimum of 30 years uh our term with them is uh

2:40:41on the loan is 40 years which we'll go over shortly uh and the MPDU units which are also

2:40:47layered in account for 15 percent of the project those MPDU units would then continue to be

2:40:52affordable through the 99-year period additionally five percent of the units will meet uniform

2:40:58federal accessible standards and be considered UFOS units and two percent will be reserved for

2:41:04households with visual hearing and impairments this is a seven-story elevator-served mid-rise

2:41:13building with interior corridors and a structured garage parking under the building it will include

2:41:20studio one two and three bedroom units and have various amenities both in unit as well as various

2:41:29amenities in the property itself including uh package room fitness center uh and secured

2:41:37building parking as well as a secured building furthermore the development will exceed all

2:41:42current local and state building code and green standards for development uh of this nature from

2:41:48at both the city and county levels taking a quick look at the project's capital stack

2:41:59the first mortgage will be held by PNC bank this is a Freddie forward tax-exempt loan

2:42:06the Montgomery county green bank is a partner in this project with approximately seven million

2:42:11dollars in subordinate funding Montgomery county department of housing and community affairs

2:42:17will be providing a pilot reduction as well as just over 10 and a half million dollars from the

2:42:23HIF the housing initiative fund Rockville housing enterprises is a partner in this project and will

2:42:29be providing eight project-based vouchers uh and PEPCO will be providing rebates at cost

2:42:35certification uh once all green improvements are verified the uh developer uh due to some

2:42:44interest loan increases uh over the past uh six months the developer is uh seeking 1.875 million

2:42:53in soft funding from the city of Rockville and the current closing calls uh i've been participating

2:42:58in in weekly closing calls for a few months now uh that we're awaiting an official closing date

2:43:04from the state but it is expected to be in December so when the uh developer was seeking

2:43:14their soft funding we do a pre-application screen these are rolling just kind of

2:43:21conversations with the developer and a pre-application review just to screen out

2:43:25any uh eligibility issues right do they actually have site control uh are they eligible for review

2:43:32of our funding uh then we use a 105-point rubric this is weighted toward uh really the

2:43:41production and preservation of affordable units and the depth of affordability both of which this

2:43:46project um hit uh project readiness you know is it ready to move forward uh the financial

2:43:52feasibility and the leverage of the resources that they were seeking from the city and then

2:43:56their development team experience then the uh projects that score well uh provide a development

2:44:09budget a budget i'm sorry uh as a part of that review we ask them to provide a development budget

2:44:15uh their capital stack their pro forma any project risks and then long-term affordability

2:44:20commitments the funding recommendation is then made to a a multi-departmental uh internal

2:44:31housing collaborative affordable housing collaborative this is made up of various

2:44:37departments here in the city to help evaluate these applications the purpose of the process

2:44:43is to establish a consistent transparent transparent comparison that directs limited

2:44:48funds to high impact deliverable projects uh the result was that this property scored 102 out of

2:44:57105 possible points and was recommended uh to be funded but due to the limited resources uh staff

2:45:06is seeking authorization to provide 1.5 million in gap financing to support uh the project from

2:45:12the hoff so a quick look at the impact statements for are the impacts of this project uh on the

2:45:24environment uh staff believes it will have a positive impact it is reusing an existing concrete

2:45:29office building so it's avoiding demolition uh and the embodied carbon of new construction

2:45:37it is targeting a national green building standards of emerald and exceeding city and county

2:45:42energy codes uh it is walkable to the twin brook metro at a quarter mile it's next to a right on

2:45:48stop and walkable to uh grocery and retail and these efficient units uh help lower energy costs

2:45:56and heat vulnerability for low-income residents staff also believes that the economic impact will

2:46:03be positive it adds 125 affordable units in a very tight market it is office to residential

2:46:09conversion so it's returning an underused commercial building to productive use it leverages

2:46:17the the city's contribution uh of 1.5 million with litec tax credits the pnc bank mortgage

2:46:25the green bank gap financing and the county hip financing uh and the construction and

2:46:30property management jobs that provide temporary construction jobs as well as property management

2:46:36jobs and then the workforce housing is near uh the employment center in that part of the city

2:46:43similarly staff believes that the uh it will have a positive impact on equity all the units

2:46:52are priced uh at or below 80 ami with 48 of those units being below 50 ami we're layering in

2:47:01the project-based vouchers from rockville housing enterprises to reach extremely low

2:47:05households as i mentioned it has the five percent ufas accessible units and two percent

2:47:10for residents with hearing visual impairments there is no resident displacement because it's

2:47:15an adaptive reuse one drawback is that it does have limited three bedroom size so while these

2:47:22are larger units and there are family size units it's hard to get a ton of those in the property

2:47:30and so there are limited three bedroom units at about five percent of the overall project

2:47:36however the development was balancing both costs and then individual and family access to this

2:47:44property and according to the developer these are some of the largest uh kind of market rate type

2:47:49units in the lie tech program nationally with very good amenities and access to the community

2:47:55so the proposed terms of the agreement this is a one time 1.5 million dollar half appropriation

2:48:07the term of the loan would be 40 years and that would run with coincide with the terms of the

2:48:15lie tech program the loan would have a three percent annual interest that would be paid

2:48:21annually to the hoff so on 1.5 million dollars that's approximately uh 45 000 coming back to

2:48:28the hoff on an annual basis over the life of the loan at 40 years that would be 1.8 million dollars

2:48:34and then at the end of the 40 years we would get our full principle back as well which would be the

2:48:371.5 million dollars i know a few weeks ago we had a presentation on the rockville home ownership

2:48:44program uh 45 000 annually to the hoff translates to about one and a half r half loans so every two

2:48:52years we're able to do another three loans so over the 40 year period we'd be talking about 125

2:48:58affordable rental units at various income levels and approximately 60 home ownership loans from

2:49:05those funds coming back in uh and then um the city will pay up to 330 000 in development fees

2:49:14on behalf of the developer to help close that remaining uh financial gap on the project

2:49:19whoops as you can imagine fiscal impacts mirror the terms of the loan would be a one-time

2:49:29hoff appropriation this will be uh uh significant resources from the hoff as well as 110 000

2:49:39general fund contribution which will be reflected on next week's budget amendment uh loan repayments

2:49:45will return to the hoff for future projects though it is quite a ways down the road uh this

2:49:51translates to about twelve thousand dollars in city investment per affordable unit and then

2:49:56additionally the 330 000 in development fees it is important to note that after this award there

2:50:02will be very few resources remaining in the hoff however staff anticipate the repayment

2:50:08of a 1.2 million dollar loan which will provide resources to support future affordable housing

2:50:13projects next steps with mayor and council's approval of this action item staff will execute

2:50:24the final version of the agreement and provide the documents to the developer for their closing

2:50:28package the budget amendment next week will reflect the movement of the hoff funds and the

2:50:33allocation of the twin brook place apartments so once again the requested action for this item

2:50:42is to authorize the city manager to execute an agreement with ardens housing owner llc in the

2:50:47form of a low interest loan of 1.5 million dollars to support the development of these 125 affordable

2:50:53units here is the recommended motion thank you i'll just start by saying thanks on behalf of the

2:51:01body uh we had a pretty robust discussion over the years on expanding affordable housing

2:51:08and uh you have brought creative financing together so i want to say thank you to your

2:51:13staff thank you to the county thank you to the green bank thank you to r h e and thank you to

2:51:18the state for helping to administer the lie tech this it takes a lot to bring these kind of

2:51:24projects together uh and the fact that you're able to get housing in the 30 particularly to 50 range

2:51:32that's very rare uh and it goes from 30 to 80 so i just i well done on trying to get more deeply

2:51:39affordable units it's nice to see that it's not at the cost of amenities which everyone needs

2:51:48and um also has a transit order to development in green future so i just want to echo those

2:51:54thanks and i know we've said it before but this is a really nice creative projects i know

2:51:58my colleagues and i have some questions and several of us have submitted questions in advance

2:52:02but overall just very very much appreciate the work on this councilman van grack we'll start

2:52:07with you okay um first of all um thank you um this is exactly i think the type of uh project

2:52:16that we want to see with the um the hall funds um helping the most amount of people that we can

2:52:23with the funds and maximizing each dollar and i think that what you've outlined here does that

2:52:29i did have a couple questions about financing trying to drill in to this agreement kind of

2:52:33what it means and where it comes from i understand that we're talking about the 1.5 million dollar

2:52:38loan and i understand that's primarily coming out of the half but we've also talked about the 110

2:52:44um thousand dollars that we're going to be putting if we go forward with this from the general fund

2:52:49how does that interplay with the additional 330 000 in development fee payments that might come

2:52:55later are we looking potentially to more general fund future payments um or is the 110 000 the

2:53:02most general fund payments that we can see based on this project so the 110 000 is what we need

2:53:08from the general fund immediately to get into the huff to pay for the 1.5 later on you'll see

2:53:13another budget amendment for the 330 000 of development fees so there's really three pieces to it

2:53:20so there's so what you're saying is to get the huff to where we need to for the 1.5 that's where

2:53:26the 110 000 of the general fund correct we're also going to need 330 000 either this fiscal

2:53:32year i'm assuming in this fiscal year as well likely likely in this fiscal year so we're really

2:53:37talking about 440 000 in general funds in addition to the additional in addition to what

2:53:44is currently in the huff that's exactly right all right so then my question comes um where do

2:53:51we put that limit so i understand what the huff is for and this is exactly what it should be for

2:53:57like as i said from the outset this is the type of project it's everything where are we making

2:54:03the decision to go for another almost half a million dollars in addition to the huff

2:54:09for this type of project versus another project and where did that decision come from that's

2:54:15why we're here honestly but i guess i'm asking a question because it was this is being brought to

2:54:19us and again a great project but again the question comes to the developer with regard

2:54:25to this issue did was there is there a necessity for this addition because and again looking at

2:54:32the finances i know i'm not a finance but i note there's some inconsistencies for example we the

2:54:38documents that you put forward and from what the developers said to us seven million dollar green

2:54:44bank loan but when i look at the deed of trust it only shows a six million dollar green bank loan

2:54:48not a seven million so my question is if we're going to be putting forward what before was kind

2:54:54of just almost a 1.4 million dollar loan we're now going kind of half a million dollar more

2:55:02is that something that became a necessity where did that come from or did we offer less than that

2:55:07and the developer said no this can't happen without that the the answer is where their

2:55:12full gap right now is the 1.8 that we've just been talking about we've been trying to figure

2:55:16out different ways to help them keep you know address that gap on the mayor and you just

2:55:21mentioned the capital stack on this is robust would be a good description of this a lot of

2:55:25different resources and as we looked at the huff the demands on the huff what we have money left

2:55:30over and also the opportunity to pay some additional different soft costs which would

2:55:34be the development fees we thought 1.5 from the huff of existing money in the bank ready to go

2:55:40plus a supplement from the general fund to cover the 110,300 thousand dollars was a good investment

2:55:46ryan described in some detail about the rubric that they use i think that's really good that's

2:55:51a system improvement that honestly ryan came up with i think it's a good one from across

2:55:56departments because public works and police and community development and his office may have

2:56:01different opinions but collaboratively they do that rubric scoring together and it scored really

2:56:05high so it's what the it's what the developer is looking for to move forward we think that

2:56:11the total cost per unit is actually very much in line so we're comfortable making the recommendation

2:56:16as it's presented tonight and so with this commitment even though we're only talking about

2:56:21the motion with regard to the low interest loan we're essentially while not definitively saying

2:56:28that we're want to move forward with 440 000 from the general fund in addition to what's in

2:56:34the huff right now that's correct okay um so um presuming we're doing that um what is the risk

2:56:45that there's going to need to be additional gap funding to make it to completion i don't think

2:56:53there is additional gap us ryan if you believe that there's any gap he's been talking to the

2:56:56developer regularly yeah so with closing uh projected to be within the next month or two

2:57:03uh i don't anticipate uh further gap growing part of the challenge has been uh the state's

2:57:10pipeline of projects and getting a closing date with the state and what has happened

2:57:14over the past six months is a significant increase in interest rates and that has caused

2:57:20their gap to grow so initial conversations were lower the gap has unfortunately grown

2:57:26because of interest rates and so they are trying to close this as soon as possible so that doesn't

2:57:30happen again so those interest rates that they have presumed weren't locked in before they were

2:57:34going forward is that you know they'll be locked in at closing they'll be out locked in closing

2:57:38all right so then the next question and the final question i have is um i know um you're here and

2:57:46understanding this perspective perspective from your department um and i guess this i guess would

2:57:51be a question for the city manager um outside of what the department needs and what this would be

2:57:58how are we financially with regard to that commitment that we need to be which is the

2:58:03four hundred and forty thousand dollars and i know you always talk about risks what other

2:58:08trade-offs will we potentially be making without having the 440 you're right there's always risk

2:58:16you know but if i think about the city's financial position definitely when we're

2:58:20thinking about the next 60 days plus or minus and the ability to get 125 affordable units some

2:58:26which are the lowest of low i think this is an excellent investment and i'm not worried that's

2:58:31something else that will be a higher priority could bump in front of it that i changed my

2:58:35recommendation to you all right um thanks to both of you i know that i wanted to kind of go and

2:58:40make a clear understanding of where we are financially what things are going to be once

2:58:45again i think this is a great uh project this is something that i i fully support it sounds from

2:58:50what i understand from your department and mr city manager what you're saying that this is

2:58:54something that even though we're going to be putting general funds as well into a further

2:58:59kind of half project this is exactly the type of the project we should be seeing in rockville so

2:59:04thanks so much i appreciate it thank you very much councilman bachelle i wanted to echo my

2:59:09colleague and thank you for this excellent work um and this is exactly the type of housing that

2:59:16we need based on our needs assessment um i i also just wanted to say thank you for the excellent

2:59:24equity impact statement you have if um you have that it will have a positive impact so you're

2:59:32actually answering the question on equity that's backed by data um and then you have a lot of

2:59:39detail on who is benefiting from the project and so those are like the basic questions um

2:59:47in an equity statement so i think this is a really good model to use moving forward

2:59:54so thank you for that um i also just wanted to ask also just for the general

3:00:00Public when we say 30% and 40% and 30 to 80 can you actually give the salary or

3:00:07wage wages per for one person because I know it's also combined there's various

3:00:15different ranges for families but for one person can give the 30 40 50 60 70

3:00:2280 just so the listening public is clear. Okay for one person 30% AMI which is

3:00:37considered extremely low income would be thirty four thousand nine hundred

3:00:41dollars. For a family of four that would be forty nine thousand eight hundred and

3:00:47fifty dollars okay thirty percent and then for the 80 I guess one more moment

3:00:55salt and the reason I'm asking this is that I did get that question from a

3:01:06number of community members that you know are probably not you know reading

3:01:12up on on housing and using the terminology as much as as much as we do

3:01:17but are people who probably fit into that range. And for 80% AMI one person

3:01:24would be seventy four thousand eight hundred. For 80? Yes yep and a family of

3:01:29four would be one hundred and six eight hundred hundred six thousand eight

3:01:33hundred dollars for a family of four. Thank you that's helpful. And my other

3:01:38question is why eight vouchers that number seems particularly low considering

3:01:44vouchers provide a great amount of stability for landlords and a lot of

3:01:56folks that are in this income range also not are not just facing housing

3:02:02insecurity but also job insecurity and so why eight? It's twofold part of it is

3:02:09the number of project-based vouchers that Rockville Housing Enterprises has

3:02:14that they can then put partner with projects and put into projects. There's

3:02:19also some financial constraints that when you go greater than eight it trips

3:02:24other policies and rules that would then increase costs significantly for

3:02:29the project and so this kind of hits the sweet spot of the available vouchers

3:02:34project-based vouchers that RHE has to be able to partner with and lend into a

3:02:38project while also not tripping certain cost increases that would make it more

3:02:43difficult to provide these types of units. Okay at some point I would also

3:02:48like to know since we have funding from the Green Bank just some more detail on

3:02:56how that would impact utility costs and bills I think that's great because that

3:03:01lowers that cost and so that money can be used for like food and medicine and

3:03:06all the things but it would just be great to just know more about that

3:03:12impact. So this did receive a very high score and just following up on Council

3:03:23Member Van Grack's questions so why the 1.5 million instead of the 1.87? So

3:03:33initial conversations were for a loan of 1.25 million. The developer then came

3:03:39back relatively recently in our conversations about the increased need

3:03:46because of the impact of interest rates on the project and so their gap had

3:03:51grown and so we kind of reevaluated and after conversations with the city

3:03:56manager and the finance department we were able to feel comfortable about

3:04:00moving HOF resources there were some additional HOF resources and getting

3:04:05that additional 110 thousand dollars to get us to the 1.5. And also just to

3:04:12confirm I think I heard this that this will be affordable for 99 years. The

3:04:19MPD use 15% of the project will be affordable for 99 years. The other

3:04:25will be for 40 years. And then also, and my apologies if I miss this, is the

3:04:36developer putting in any how much money investment is the developer? I think I

3:04:43can get that for you. I have that in the pro form of it. It's not in

3:04:49the staff report but there's a significant deferment of like the

3:04:54developer fee for example but I can get you those. Yeah I would be interested in

3:04:58how much they're investing. Those are my questions for now. Thank you. Thank you.

3:05:07Councillor Jackson. Thank you Mayor. First let me just say I echo my

3:05:12colleagues. I think this is exactly the kind of housing opportunity that we want

3:05:18to see and I thank you for the rubric that you have compiled. You know I know

3:05:27that he had scored high and that was a credit to you know the criteria you put

3:05:34down and then you know kind of scored it against. I did want to go back to the

3:05:411.5. I mean so that's with the additional $110,000 allocation but

3:05:53really it's 1.8.3 right because we have a 1.5 that's a loan but we

3:06:00have $330,000 which we just are we paying it is it a fee like what is that

3:06:08exactly? It's the city using general fund dollars to pay for the development

3:06:13review costs on behalf of the developer. So it's like a $330,000 grant.

3:06:20It could be considered that. Okay so really we're talking about the

3:06:28full 1.8 3 million rather than 1.5 but we're going to put 1.5 out in a loan.

3:06:36Correct. Alright so I mean we're talking about 1.8 3 million rather than 1.5 and

3:06:44that's going to be repaid to us in 40 years with a 1.5. Yeah the 1.5 million

3:06:52dollar loan the principal will be due in 40 years or if the project were to leave

3:06:59the LIHTC program early and the affordability covenants were to end we

3:07:05would then get recouped at that point. That is not anticipated but just to

3:07:11kind of cover our basis we would then get our 1.5 million back and then

3:07:17there'll be annual simple interest payments of 3 percent which equates to

3:07:21$45,000 per year to the half. And so you mentioned that 1.2 million payment.

3:07:29What does that do? The 1.2 million to us to Rockville. That is due to the

3:07:39city in December 2027 at the latest unless the refinancing on that project

3:07:45occurs sooner. So how comfortable do we feel that we're gonna get that money

3:07:50in December 2027? By December 2027 I feel very comfortable. Okay so the 1.2

3:08:00you don't think there's any any chance that you know I don't want to put I

3:08:10don't want to put Ryan in a tight spot. The loan agreement suggests we're

3:08:14supposed to get the money back by December 2027 so I think we're in a

3:08:17really good position predicting the future is always tough. Yeah and so that

3:08:22goes to my point which is and I've said I brought it up you've heard it

3:08:29ad nauseam most people have but the housing opportunity fund needs to have

3:08:34a sustainable funds and you know I think it's good that we have this

3:08:41opportunity and that we're talking about funding this opportunity because at the

3:08:47end of the day we'll have housing for residents which is a great thing but

3:08:53we're going to take these housing opportunity fund down to zero and we're

3:08:59not going to be getting our this money back for 40 years who knows I mean

3:09:06might be sooner might not be and as you said you can't predict the future so we

3:09:15don't know that we're gonna get the 1.2 million back and the other alone by

3:09:21December 2027 we might we would probably will but we might not so I think it

3:09:28would behoove us to come up with a system a model so that there is always

3:09:34some funds in the the the hall for opportunities like this so that we're

3:09:40not having to go out and cobble together the funds we need to make things happen

3:09:48for residents and to get the housing that we want so that's it I think it's

3:09:53a great a great project and I think I thank you for bringing it but I'm just

3:10:01concerned about the sustainability of the hall in the long term thank you I

3:10:09will echo the comments of my colleagues and also I said a range of things I

3:10:15think this is really important to the city and I know this level of

3:10:19affordability does not happen with multiple players coming to the table it

3:10:24doesn't happen organically it takes intentionality and I also wanted to know

3:10:29why this particular housing is needed we do have many members of the community

3:10:35who may not qualify or may not see that level of housing available in the

3:10:39housing stock that is now we typically get more in the 50 to 80 with new MPD

3:10:46use coming on it is important that we use the and I'll say lie tech which is

3:10:52low-income housing tax credits that is through the federal government that's a

3:10:57critical financial tool but that alone does not make these things magically

3:11:02happen I'll also reiterate that the Council of Government which is our

3:11:07regional body that brings government all the governments across Maryland

3:11:11Virginia and DC together has noted that at least 70% of new housing units

3:11:17produced between now and 2030 really needs to see more housing stock in the

3:11:22low to moderate income households with a focus on units price for that at or

3:11:28below 80 percent average median income so this is really hitting what we know

3:11:33is needed and it's not it doesn't drop out of the sky so I just wanted to note

3:11:39that while these are difficult decisions it takes hard work and

3:11:44thinking through financing on how to make this happen and I'm thankful to

3:11:48your team to all the players I mentioned the Green Bank the county the

3:11:54light tech folks from the federal government through the state to do this

3:11:57as well as RHE it is not easy for RHE Rockville Housing Enterprises to give up

3:12:02aid vouchers there was a back in the end of 2025 I believe the house how HUD

3:12:10from the federal level actually noted to public housing authorities to be very

3:12:16careful in managing housing choice vouchers because they might be limits

3:12:20in the future and forecasting challenges that might exceed funding so the fact

3:12:25that they've allocated and been willing to part with eight is important I also

3:12:30note the waitlist is always full and it is right now so I appreciate what is

3:12:38happening here and I know it's not easy they must have been at least a hundred

3:12:42conversations to get to this point I also note that we have a vacant office

3:12:47building that the city needs to activate for people and so there's a benefit to

3:12:53our society to our community to have people who can live and work in the

3:12:58city and not to have vacant properties around the city so with that I will

3:13:06also note the amenities that you described we don't always see an

3:13:11affordable housing properties and I like that that is being provided for

3:13:17community members a couple questions that I have I've heard from some other

3:13:23properties that sometimes people from other states are coming in and they love

3:13:28that we're doing this or even other counties and how can we work to on the

3:13:35light tech side I know we have criteria and the MPD side try to serve the

3:13:40criteria of Rockville residents first and meeting our need is there anything

3:13:45that is being built into how we consider you know obviously we want to be

3:13:50welcoming for all but there is a need in the city and the city is putting

3:13:54funding in so how can we consider that there's I'll take a stab and then Ryan

3:14:00can fill in the gaps I mean honestly you guys have done such a nice shot ready

3:14:04for the sunshine here it comes I mean the 40 specific unique initiatives that

3:14:11you guys all developed over the past couple years is huge it really is you

3:14:16guys are attacking it from a land use standpoint by updating your Zor you've

3:14:22created opportunities for staff to have the ha fund you guys have increased the

3:14:30ha fund every year for the past three years there's a really good chance I'm

3:14:33gonna recommend that you increase it even a touch more next year if funds

3:14:38remain stable I think you've streamlined the development review process that is

3:14:43really important from an affordability standpoint I think the average resident

3:14:47may not fully understand that but time is money and if people people are

3:14:52taking on land and they're paying juice on the land or they're simply holding it

3:14:57or put money down for the opportunity to develop in the future streamlining the

3:15:01development your process is critically important you've also allowed us to

3:15:06significantly increase our housing team with Ryan's leadership that helps as

3:15:11well so we have a lot of good conversations in the community and I

3:15:14think there's a number of land use regulations in the city and density that

3:15:19are unique to Rockville relative to other places in the region so for all

3:15:22those reasons I think we've uniquely positioned ourselves to take advantage

3:15:27of not only light act developers coming into the city but we can count the ways

3:15:31on why it's a good place to do business Ryan you have anything to add I think

3:15:37just on the specifics of and maybe I should ask a clarifying the way I heard

3:15:45your question was kind of how do we ensure that Rockville residents get

3:15:50access to these 125 units I think yeah that can be something I can discuss with

3:15:57the developer traditionally before a tax credit project opens like there are

3:16:04significant waitlists right for that housing a lot of applicants for those

3:16:08units but I can speak with the developer about anything that can be done to

3:16:12prioritize Rockville residents I think that would be helpful especially since

3:16:16the rock Rockville is putting money into this pot and we do know that there

3:16:21needs in a number of other programmatic spaces we're seeing that other states

3:16:27and other counties we see populations coming because where there's the best

3:16:32programs everyone migrates to which I fully appreciate and welcome new

3:16:37residents but I do want to make sure that we're helping to solve the

3:16:40problems of the residents here first and as we have more space we can open it up

3:16:45to welcome other people from the region but I just wanted to make sure that we

3:16:50were thinking about that and writing that as part of our criteria for

3:16:55discussion the other thing I wanted to check on is I know with lie tech there

3:17:01is a 15 minute 15 year compliance and then they can go up you know another

3:17:0615 and they use it 40 but I just if you could clarify that timing and and what

3:17:12circumstance would they just do the 15 versus the full up you know the full

3:17:16time I think you set up to 40 years is there a chance that there would be lower

3:17:21for this in this project I don't anticipate that this developer is an

3:17:27owner operator so they plan to be in it for the long haul this is their business

3:17:31model is to to do these projects for the long term there are other circumstances

3:17:37where other developers may look at that the tax credit period in the is a finite

3:17:45amount of time in which investors in your project can then apply those tax

3:17:50credits and collect those and so once that time period expires that's when

3:17:55you might hear about some projects that will then convert after your 15 but

3:18:02usually there are other affordable housing developers or or folks who will

3:18:09manage those properties who will step in at that point and so our first

3:18:13priority would be to maintain these as affordable units as long as we can it's

3:18:17my understanding that we will also make sure that's in writing somewhere that

3:18:22for the Rockville funding and for the 40 year that we're expecting that will

3:18:27be more than 15 years and we'll go to the full 40 that you mentioned so it's

3:18:31we're gonna protect ourselves in writing on those units yes yeah correct

3:18:34okay perfect thank you I echo the comments of my colleagues on the housing

3:18:41opportunity funds and the need to you know consider that I know we've been

3:18:45talking about that in the past I do think that there's a risk and I sent a

3:18:49specific comments on that December 2027 date I won't go into too much detail on

3:18:55that but I think that we have to always prepare for the risk of that timing and

3:19:01figure out what we would do in terms of the development cost that would

3:19:06typically be paid and permit fees and others to the city of Rockville are we

3:19:11covering any county development fees or just city development fees just city

3:19:14development fees okay is there a reason that we have to take money out of one

3:19:19fund to pay our own people it's we really balance the budgets of each

3:19:25individual departments based on revenue that they expect to bring in this would

3:19:28be revenue that we expect to bring in so we have to supplant that money or

3:19:31us they're in the hole okay but it's shifting dollars agreed okay the other

3:19:40thing I would ask is if we're doing this then there is no expectation of a

3:19:47pilot is that correct no pilot okay and pilot is payment in lieu of taxes I

3:19:52just want to make sure I'm speaking to the listening public okay and with this

3:19:59are we gonna have to dip into any reserve funding or can we pull from

3:20:06unspent funds for this fiscal don't know that yet we will wait until the

3:20:13very end but it will likely be unspent funds and or contingency not reserves

3:20:18my preference is not to touch reserves so reserves are a very special account

3:20:24yes we don't touch them unless we really have to thank you yeah please

3:20:28let us know if anything changes on that front always thank you and the city will

3:20:34ultimately make this money back we'll get our full principal back and they'll

3:20:38be interest paid over time and so I just from the taxpayer perspective most

3:20:44of these even with the development fees that will be covered more than with the

3:20:50interest fees that will paid over time over time correct how does the city

3:20:53because all of us will not be here in 40 years generally speaking many of us

3:20:57like some of us might but some of you might but how is the city tracking so

3:21:04that we'll be alive councilmember listen we're gonna be 107 just like our some

3:21:15of our residents in Rockville but I just from a tracking perspective for the

3:21:18city how do you track track those liabilities for future staff members who

3:21:21may not remember that we signed this yeah sure any liability that we have we

3:21:27formally track the loan agreement is is inputted into our database when the

3:21:32payments start coming in the $45,000 a year we'll continue to traffic we'll

3:21:37draw down from that if you will in terms of the loan paid out into we're

3:21:41whole okay there are a number of other programs that I didn't see listed in

3:21:46terms of finance being creative financially and thinking about where to

3:21:49get funding from so the Maryland Department of Housing Community

3:21:52Development has the home fund the multi-family bond fund the National

3:21:57Housing Trust Fund have we shaken all those trees yet and looked under those

3:22:02pillows I let me see I'm in regular communication with my colleagues at the

3:22:11state I don't traditionally build the financing for the developer that they

3:22:15they do that if there are gaps happy to connect them with folks help you to

3:22:19introduce them and then try to do our part usually these projects are 80 90%

3:22:24baked before they come to us I think because I've watched some other

3:22:29jurisdictions and the different funding pots they've gotten from DHCD since

3:22:33they're asking the city for money I think it would be I would request that

3:22:37we at least flag these other programs to make sure I mean if we're using

3:22:41taxpayer resources I want to make sure that we're thinking about other other

3:22:46ways to get funding as well and then this is not going to be a surprise but

3:22:53I always say housing first but not housing only who will be the social

3:22:57services provider and are we thinking about that my understanding is TM

3:23:05associates they manage their own properties they have a track record of

3:23:08managing properties all over the country and providing resident support so I

3:23:13anticipate that either they will or that they'll have a contract for that

3:23:17okay I've generally seen property management and sometimes questions there

3:23:23but social services is not often thought about and to have a sub to really

3:23:29uplift and support the community help people to progress economically and

3:23:34socially I did want to flag that kind of conversation whether that's connecting

3:23:38to nonprofits or others but I want to be intentional about connecting social

3:23:42services here thank you councilmember Larry thank you thank you madam mayor I

3:23:51wholeheartedly and enthusiastically support this project I understand a lot

3:23:59of my colleagues concerns I do share some of them and some of them I I

3:24:03really I really don't I can't recall off the top of my head but this building

3:24:10has been vacant for a very long time that in the building across the street

3:24:17from it which is not in the city but you know being surrounded by empty

3:24:25buildings and living in that neighborhood is not fun to say the

3:24:30least so seeing somebody going through all of this to bring in deeply affordable

3:24:38housing I can tell you that that is going to be very exciting for for

3:24:46residents I want to co-sign for sure if we can in some way prioritize Rockville

3:24:52wait-listers I know that I'm gonna make that a noun one of these days I know

3:24:57that there are a lot of families in and just outside of city limits and twin

3:25:04Brooke are waiting so anyway that we can in any way shape or form prioritize

3:25:11those folks I think it would be great especially because you know I think for

3:25:19kids that would like to have a consistency in school I could obviously

3:25:26see that this this building would most likely fall in the cumbric elementary

3:25:32boundary if we got to that and maybe by then twin brick I'll have a full

3:25:37linkages program you know I I definitely could see some consistency and

3:25:42things that the community would like there so definitely want to give them

3:25:49the first right to get it it was it was definitely empty for a long time you

3:25:56know getting the hop down to zero tells me that the half is the housing

3:26:00opportunity is fun is working this is the way that it should be working we

3:26:04shouldn't be sitting here on a lot of money that means we're not doing our

3:26:09job and I definitely agree that we need to come up with a plan that this is

3:26:16replenished I don't see that plan coming on the back of deeply affordable

3:26:21housing I see that replenishment occurring in market rate development and

3:26:25then you know I put this to everybody how are we gonna do that so I just you

3:26:32know again I think it needs to be replenished I think we need to be you

3:26:35know look at it during budget season to see how much you know we want to invest

3:26:41in it but I am less concerned about replenishment when the hop is being used

3:26:49for projects like this because I don't think they come around very often I

3:26:54guess my final point is print find a way to to frame this I want to make sure

3:27:02that the city is geographically distributing deeply affordable housing

3:27:06in an equitable way and not you know concentrating in certain neighborhoods

3:27:14areas communities I think from from east to west north and south we should

3:27:21be you know creating a greater mix of economic levels in housing so to that

3:27:29end I absolutely support this I hope that future projects will come across

3:27:35the city so very excited and thank you to to mr. trout and his team and city

3:27:42manager for for answering my questions earlier and that's why I am done so

3:27:46thank you thank you councilmember Fulton I had like one question and it was

3:27:52already asked an answer about three other times so I don't have any

3:27:55questions this is awesome thank you for all of the work that you put into it

3:28:00this is exactly the kind of thing we want to see so I'm incredibly supportive

3:28:03thank you talk to my house thank you madam mayor not a whole lot to add to

3:28:12what my colleague just said did have one quick follow-up question what does

3:28:16happen to those units at the end of the 40 year lie tech period so 15% of the

3:28:24project will remain and PDU there may be an opportunity to recapitalize at 40

3:28:31years that's probably going to need to be some renovations to the project so

3:28:35there might be an opportunity for the city to get re-engaged with the whatever

3:28:40developer comes in in order to then continue and or extend that

3:28:44affordability period if it were the decision of the owner at that time to

3:28:50then go market rate what we would see is that 85% of those units would then go

3:28:54market rate 15% remain in the MPD program for another 59 years and our 1.5

3:29:03million dollars would come back to us is there anything that we can do now to

3:29:06extend that beyond 40 years or no it's just the kind of the way so the as of

3:29:10the 40 year kind of tracks with the state program and with county funding as

3:29:16well we are a contributing piece and and a lot of developers would tell you

3:29:22like it's the last two million dollars that make or break a project so we're

3:29:26kind of plugging right in there but those are really kind of driving the

3:29:33conversation particularly around the tax credits and the investments from the

3:29:37the bond dollars from the state and the investors for the tax credits understood

3:29:42thanks for that it that probably be my only modest concern I think overall the

3:29:47project works I'm ready to support it that's all I have thank you thank you

3:29:51so much for that question and thanks to my colleagues for your comments

3:29:54comes from Brescia how long do you think it would take so once after closing how

3:30:01long do you think this would take to build on average from your experience I

3:30:07would say we'd probably be looking at because it's an adaptive reuse and so

3:30:13they're going to be renovating the project we're probably looking 18 months

3:30:16to two years after closings we're probably looking summer 28 or winter

3:30:24okay I was just asking that question because I know we are focused on some of

3:30:31the most the lower income where there's so two years that's to rent increases

3:30:37right and so and folks at that level are less likely to be able to stay in the

3:30:44city so I think it's good to have a local preference but also considering

3:30:50that at that level folks are more quickly priced out thank you councilman

3:31:02Madam Mayor I'm ready to make the motion if that is the upon time to do so thank

3:31:08you please do you have any more questions thank you madam matter it's

3:31:15just a procedural question and I have no problem with the motion by the way

3:31:19but we're gonna make motion for 1.5 million did we have to modify it at

3:31:26least to account for the fees that would come later on during the budget

3:31:33amendment which could be as early as next week all right perfect thank you

3:31:36thank you and thank you to say manager for sending us a summary of the budget

3:31:39amendment appreciate that customer Larry all right I moved to authorize the city

3:31:45manager to execute an agreement with our then housing owner LLC in the form

3:31:50of a low-interest loan of 1.5 million dollars and accompanying documents to

3:31:56support the development of 125 affordable units located at 1 2 5 0 1

3:32:02our Den Avenue Rockville Maryland thinking customer folks and I saw your

3:32:06hand up earlier you're seconding I'd like to second yes please do we're all

3:32:11very excited about this project so I imagine we'd have all seven seconds in

3:32:16motion so thank you so much for this work colleagues do we all support I'm

3:32:23getting there I told you they're excited I'm excited to all right are we

3:32:30are you okay we just hold them up high please all right all right thank you

3:32:38very much it is unanimous unanimous times infinity thanks for this work

3:32:46appreciate it and I know that you have a couple of questions that we you'll be

3:32:50following up on and one folks I want to just also note because I know there's a

3:32:54lot of talk about average median income your website does include AMI

3:32:58breakdowns so if anyone is curious but at average median income which I know a

3:33:03lot of us are thank you for including those charts I know that was a nice

3:33:08addition and staff can we can also put the the dollar value in staff reports

3:33:18that way the way has both the range and then what that looks like I think

3:33:23they'll be very useful for the whole body thank you so much and for the

3:33:26public all right we are now moving on to our mock agenda which we discussed

3:33:48during the leadership planning team meeting this morning does anyone have

3:33:52any comments or questions we'll now move on to old new business I have just

3:34:04two quick things I won't be long one is I want to be transparent with the

3:34:09public that the mayor and council did send a letter to regarding the changes

3:34:15that are being proposed for the census that we feel would lead to potentially

3:34:21undercounting the number of residents in our community as well as putting some

3:34:24residents at risk in terms of requiring and only counting or you know having

3:34:32citizens be counted and permanent residents so I think there's some real

3:34:37concerns also about the way they were changing some of the race and ethnicity

3:34:40questions so this is a feedback that many members of the mayor and council

3:34:47have worked with the city manager to issue so that our comments are

3:34:51considered so thank you to city manager for getting that out so quickly my

3:34:56second thing is it is my understanding that the county council will be taking

3:35:01action not only on solid waste which we sent a letter on but also on the Lincoln

3:35:07high school property and I'm hearing that will happen in November my request

3:35:12is to see if staff can look into this and get back some members of the mayor

3:35:16and council and see if a letter might be warranted look into it as soon as we

3:35:21can thank you thank you very much okay anything else do we have a motion to

3:35:29adjourn and please vote councilmember van grack I motion to adjourn seconded

3:35:38by councilmember Larry thank you very much everyone please raise your hand if

3:35:42you support motion to adjourn thank you very much vote tomorrow please get out

3:35:48go to the polls you can also put that those ballots that are in your mail pile

3:35:54in our Dropbox right in front of City Hall take care everyone