2026-10-21 - Board of Estimates

00:01Good 9:16. The October 21st, 2026

00:06meeting of the Board of Estimates is now

00:08called to order. The board continues to

00:10meet in a hybrid format. For those here

00:12in person, please take a moment to

00:14silence your cell phones and other

00:15electronic devices. For those attending

00:17virtually, if you desire an opportunity

00:19speak, we ask that you keep yourself on

00:21mute until the chair recognizes you.

00:22When you are called upon, please

00:23announce your name and organization and

00:25speak loudly and clearly as you present.

00:27At this time, I would ask our clerk for

00:29any corrections, additions, and noted

00:30abstentions for today's agenda.

00:33>> Thank you, Mr. President, and good

00:34morning, everyone. Um this morning, we

00:37do not have any corrections for the

00:39agenda, and we do not have any walk-ons.

00:42We have received a few protests, and one

00:45um has numerous uh transactions

00:48associated with it, so I'm going to read

00:49it out special.

00:51Um we have received multiple statements

00:53of opposition from Ms. Christine

00:55Flowers. The board will extend floor

00:57privilege floor privileges to allow Ms.

00:59Flowers the opportunity to speak for 3

01:01minutes on the statements of opposition

01:03to the following items: SB2613402,

01:07SB2613192,

01:09SB2613569,

01:12SB2613394,

01:14SB2613590,

01:17SB26

01:1913374,

01:21SB2613470,

01:23SB2613497,

01:26SB2613378,

01:28SB2613504,

01:31SB2613398,

01:33SB2612746,

01:36SB2613412,

01:39SB2613560,

01:41SB2613516,

01:44and SB2613438.

01:49The following items are being deferred

01:50this morning. SB2613666

01:54for the Department of Audits of biennial

01:56performance audit follow-up of the

01:57Mayor's Office of Employment

01:58Development. This item has been deferred

02:00until November 4th at the request of the

02:02agency.

02:03SB2614006

02:05for the Department of Transportation, a

02:07notice of letting for TR27013,

02:10manhole reconstruction citywide. This

02:12item has been deferred until November

02:144th at the request of the agency.

02:16SB2612619

02:18for the Department of Real Estate,

02:19option agreement for 417 North Howard

02:22Properties LLC. This item has been

02:24deferred until November 18th, 2026 at

02:27the request of the city administrator.

02:29SB2612946,

02:30emergency procurement lead paint clean

02:32up of three bridges.

02:34This item has been deferred until

02:35November 4th at the request of the

02:36agency. SB2612945,

02:39emergency procurement lead paint clean

02:41up of three bridges. This item has been

02:43deferred until November 4th, 2026 at the

02:45request of the agency. And SB2613918,

02:50Unifier for the Department of Public

02:52Works, an award urgent need water

02:53infrastructure. This item is deferred

02:56until November 4th, 2026 at the request

02:58of the agency.

03:00We have no withdrawals to note this

03:02morning.

03:03And we The following items are going to

03:05appear on the non-routine agenda. And

03:08they are SB2613670,

03:10biennial performance audit of the

03:12Baltimore City Police Department for

03:14fiscal years 2024 through May 2026.

03:18And SB2614021,

03:21biennial performance audit of Baltimore

03:22City Information Technology for fiscal

03:25years 2023 through 2026.

03:29And SB2613965,

03:31emergency procurement Galls LLC,

03:34formerly known as Howard Uniform

03:35Company. And SB2613791,

03:40payment in lieu of taxes agreement,

03:42pilot, and profit sharing agreements for

03:44Lexington GPJVLLC.

03:48We have the following abstentions to

03:49record this morning. The Honorable Mayor

03:51Brandon M. Scott is abstaining on SB

03:532613501

03:55Health Department Subrecipient Agreement

03:57with Johns Hopkins University. SB

03:592613500

04:01Health Department Subrecipient Agreement

04:03with Johns Hopkins University. And SB 26

04:0712667 Department of Transportation

04:09Traffic Mitigation Agreement Believe in

04:11Tomorrow National Children's Foundation

04:13Incorporated. The honorable President

04:15Zeke Cohen is abstaining on the

04:17following: SB 2613174

04:20Planning Department Supplemental

04:21Appropriation of State Funding for Live

04:23Near Your Work University of Maryland

04:25Baltimore Partnership for $500,000.

04:27SB 2613253

04:29Planning Department Supplemental Funding

04:31for Water Infrastructure Finance and

04:32Innovation Act

04:35for water infrastructure

04:37Excuse me.

04:38Oh.

04:40Sorry. For water infrastructure

04:42rehabilitation projects for

04:43$152,935,453.

04:48SB 2613264

04:49Planning Department Supplemental Funding

04:51for Water Infrastructure Finance and

04:53Innovation Act for water infrastructure

04:55rehabilitation projects $183,152,603.

05:01SB 2613165

05:03Planning and Department of

05:04Transportation Supplemental Federal

05:06Grant Funding for Baltimore Greenway

05:07Trail Highlandtown Greektown Connection

05:09for $1,352,000.

05:12SB 2613107

05:14Planning and the Baltimore City

05:16Recreation and Parks Supplemental

05:17Funding for Baltimore City Recreation

05:20and Parks Grant Award from Maryland

05:21Department of Natural Resources Green

05:23Space Equity Program for $2,000,000.

05:25SB 2613290

05:27Planning Department Supplemental Funding

05:29for Water Infrastructure Finance and

05:30Innovation Act Stormwater Management

05:32Projects for $40,353,591.

05:37SB 2613301 Planning Department

05:40Supplemental Appropriation of Maryland

05:41State Revolving Fund for various

05:43Department of Public Works Projects

05:45$38,471,866.

05:49And cents.

05:51The honorable Comptroller Bill Henry is

05:53abstaining on all travel requests

05:55and travel reimbursements. City

05:57Solicitor Ebony Thompson has no

05:59abstentions to record this morning. The

06:01Director of Public Works Matthew Garbark

06:03has no abstentions to record this

06:04morning. And we are recording the

06:06following no votes on routine agenda

06:08items. The honorable President Zeke

06:10Cohen is voting no on the following. SP

06:132613181 Department of Transportation

06:16partial release of retainage J. Villa

06:18Construction Inc. TR23013

06:22ADA curb ramp reconstruction various

06:24locations citywide. SP 2613820

06:27Department of Transportation partial

06:29release of retainage Priority

06:31Construction Corp. Incorporated TR25009

06:34ADA curb ramp and sidewalk construction

06:36urgent need west and SP 2613821

06:40Department of Transportation partial

06:42release of retainage J. Villa

06:44Construction Inc. TR24008

06:47ADA curb ramp and sidewalk construction

06:50urgent need. And Mr. President, that

06:52concludes our opening statement for this

06:54morning. Thank you.

06:55>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. At this time, I

06:56ask for a motion to approve and adopt

06:58the opening statement as read by the

06:59clerk.

07:00>> So moved.

07:00>> Second.

07:01>> It's been moved and properly seconded.

07:02Now, all those in favor say I.

07:04>> I.

07:04>> Opposed say nay.

07:06The opening statement has been adopted.

07:09Before we move to the routine agenda, we

07:12will hear from Ms. Kristina Flowers.

07:15Come on up. On the statements of

07:17opposition she submitted as our clerk

07:19noted in the opening statement. The

07:23board recognizes Ms. Kristina Flowers

07:25and you will have 3 minutes to address

07:27your items. Ms. Flowers, the floor is

07:31yours and thank you for joining us at

07:33the Board of Estimates.

07:41>> Keep my focus right here with you three.

07:44I think I left a piece of paper in front

07:46of you guys.

07:47I have a real issue. My name is Minister

07:50Christina Flowers, homeless advocate

07:53specialist in Baltimore City.

07:55Specializing encampments, outreach,

07:59engagement, navigating, and alternative

08:01housing. I have a

08:04I am directly affected by the money

08:08that trickles through this board and

08:10agencies when it comes to my

08:12unsheltered, to those living in the

08:14woods, under the bridges, on the

08:17streets, sleeping outside of City Hall

08:19right now. I'm always disturbed because

08:22I know there's a solution. I know

08:24there's a solution and I know there's a

08:27solution. And I asked not only this

08:30board to consider the way we are

08:33funneling money through agencies without

08:36the proper

08:37executing plans to get our homeless

08:40people off the streets. It is too much

08:43money in this room trickling through

08:45these agencies for myself who operate a

08:49nonprofit organization, never received

08:51one penny from this city. Not a loaf of

08:54bread, not a case of water, not a

08:57blanket, not a tent. To always have to

09:00consider to watch this type of money go

09:03and people still sleeping outside. I

09:05thank you guys so much over these years.

09:08Uh Comptroller, speak to you Zeke,

09:11and our precious Mayor Scott, would love

09:15that one-on-one so we can discuss that

09:17document I got in front of you.

09:19The partners of myself, the Belvidere

09:21Real Care Providers, we know what can be

09:24done. This is my city. God has anointed

09:27this to me. And as much as y'all may not

09:29want to understand it, the building

09:31that's needed to engage these

09:33individuals have to engage them, triage

09:36them, not pile them all into the

09:38shelters. Our shelters that are

09:40currently under investigation for so

09:43many issues. I do sit on the continuing

09:45care board of transformation of

09:48shelters. I'm learning a better way to

09:50protest, y'all, other than intense

09:51outside and yelling Brandon outside of

09:54this office. So, I'm learning a better

09:56way to engage. But, you say partnership

09:59and collaboration. These agencies need

10:02to learn to do that. They need to

10:04outsource what they can't do, and that's

10:06end street homelessness. Our city have

10:09no reason for people to be on these

10:11streets. These are people grandmothers

10:13that sleep in the alley outside of my

10:15sister's place. These are people family

10:18members. And we have to take in

10:19consideration we're not New York. We're

10:22not Chicago. And I know we understand

10:26that with these encampments, they could

10:28be ended. I thank you so much for the

10:30great director we have, Ernestine

10:32Simmons. Her open door policy to me, I

10:35appreciate it. I always enjoy that. But,

10:38she need to be empowered and equipped to

10:40make decisions with solutions, not with

10:43the agencies influences over Christina

10:45Flowers and our advocacy for 14 years,

10:48cuz I'm not going nowhere. And we're not

10:50going to stop having this discussion

10:52every day until we get these homeless

10:54people off the street and represent the

10:57great mayor that we have and the great

10:59city council president and our

11:01comptroller who knows where all the

11:03money goes at. So, let's do something

11:05with this money and let's focus on it

11:07the way it should be and just help me

11:09help, y'all, to end this crisis of

11:12homelessness on our streets of Baltimore

11:14City. I think my time is good enough.

11:16Like the mayor say, it takes a village,

11:17right? But, what if the village

11:20We going to leave that there. Y'all have

11:22a great day. Thank you, all agencies.

11:24Nothing personal. Just spend y'all money

11:26where it needs to go and let's get them

11:28off the street.

11:29>> Thank you, Miss

11:30Thank you.

11:32Thank you, Miss Flowers for your

11:33advocacy before this board.

11:38And now direct board members attention

11:40to the memorandum from the council

11:41president's office dated October 21st,

11:432026 identifying matters to be

11:45considered as routine agenda items

11:46together with any corrections,

11:47additions, abstentions, and

11:49no votes that have been noted by the

11:51clerk. I will entertain a motion for all

11:54the items contained on the routine

11:55agenda including those items we have

11:57discussed with Miss Flowers.

11:59>> So moved.

12:00>> Second.

12:01>> It's been moved and properly seconded.

12:03All those in favor of approving the

12:04items on the routine agenda, please say

12:06I.

12:06>> I.

12:07>> Those opposed, please say nay.

12:10The eyes have it. The routine agenda

12:13items have been adopted. Seeing no

12:14further questions, we will now move on

12:16to non-routine agenda. The first item on

12:19the non-routine agenda is from the

12:21Department of Audits under SB 26-13-670.

12:26This is a request to note the biennial

12:27performance audit of the Baltimore

12:29Police De- partment. I'll You want to go

12:31BCPD first?

12:34All right, Mr. Pash.

12:36Got you.

12:40This

12:41audit is under SB 26-14021.

12:46This is a request to note the biennial

12:47performance audit of Baltimore City

12:50Information Technology

12:52for the fiscal year 2023

12:55through 2026, which evaluated how BCPD

12:58manages privileged access and security

13:00rights. On behalf of Audits, we have the

13:05audit team led by Mr. Pash and our

13:09deputy,

13:10um, Madam Deputy, the floor is yours.

13:14>> Thank you, Mr. President. Good morning,

13:17Council President. Can you hear me well?

13:18No?

13:24Better now?

13:25>> Yes.

13:25>> All right.

13:26Good morning, Council President, Mr.

13:28Mayor, Mr. Comptroller, and honorable

13:30members of the Board of Estimates, as

13:33well as the member of the public. My

13:35name is Dandy Mount, Deputy City

13:36Auditor. I am here to present the audit

13:39findings from the bi-annual performance

13:41audit of the Baltimore City Department

13:42>> If you just wait 1 second, dealing with

13:44a quick technical issue.

13:53Mr. Mayor.

13:55>> I just want to point out that we're

13:56having a tech issue during the BCP

13:58audit. I just think that's funny.

14:08>> Mr. T.J., you may get fired here

14:10something better get fixed quick.

14:12>> Well, clearly it's not a serious problem

14:13cuz the mayor is still in his seat.

14:17>> Oh, I can share.

14:19Oh, it's coming. Okay.

14:27>> All right, I apologize. You are back.

14:30>> Good morning,

14:31Council President, Mr. Mayor, Mr.

14:33Comptroller, and honorable members of

14:35the Board of Estimates, and the member

14:37of the public. My name is Dandy Mount,

14:40Deputy City Auditor. I am here to

14:42present the audit findings from the

14:43bi-annual performance audit of the

14:45Baltimore City Information Technology.

14:48Next slide.

14:49Um

14:51We will go over the

14:53uh objective and scope and the

14:55background information, finding, and

14:57then audit methodology. Next slide,

14:59please.

15:02Uh in this audit, we evaluated the

15:04effectiveness of BCP's management of

15:07privileged access and security rights.

15:10That includes uh granting and removal of

15:13access. Our scope is fiscal years 24 and

15:1623, but we extended the scope to fiscal

15:19year 2026.

15:21There are 130 applications managed by

15:24BCIT and we selected 12 applications.

15:27For example, Estella permit system,

15:30payment and payment system, water for

15:33all water billing discount program, and

15:35Workday. Next slide, please.

15:38There are two risks that we try to

15:40address in this audit, fraud risk and

15:42that information technology risk.

15:45Next slide.

15:48When an employee starts at an agency, an

15:51employee's supervisor requests BCIT to

15:53set up a standard profile for the new

15:56employee in Workday and add them to

15:58active directory.

16:00Active directory regulates access to

16:03city networks. BCIT wants

16:06applications that they manage to link

16:08with active directory. It's because

16:10disabling someone in active directory

16:13automatically remove access to

16:15applications.

16:17BCIT runs a daily report of newly

16:19terminated employees from Workday. It

16:21tells them when to disable someone's

16:24active directory accounts.

16:27Next slide.

16:30In Workday, the approval of access

16:33request depends on the security roles.

16:36Uh for financial security role,

16:38supervisor files financial security

16:40access request FSER on behalf of

16:43employee.

16:44Um BCIT requests confirmation from the

16:47financial security roles leader or a

16:49data owner for approval. The data owner

16:52is the employee responsible for managing

16:55data related to the financial security

16:57role. For example, a grant manager

16:59tracking data for a grant in Workday be

17:02the data owner for a security role

17:04related to the grant.

17:07Uh BCIT applies the access change when

17:09they get the confirmation from the uh

17:11security role leader.

17:13Um an employee holds the financial

17:15security role um until another request

17:18is made to remove it or the employee is

17:21deactivated in Workday.

17:24For example, when an employee transfer

17:26divisions within the Department of

17:28Finance, employee retains their

17:30financial security role. For the

17:33non-financial security role, agencies'

17:36internal human resources divisions

17:38assign non-financial security roles to

17:40specific positions. An An employee only

17:43holds the non-financial security role

17:46while in the position. For example, an

17:49employee who transfers division within

17:51the Department of Finance leaves behind

17:53the non-financial security role. As a

17:55result, our audit is more focused on the

17:58left side, which is the financial

18:00security role.

18:02Next slide.

18:04For the non-Workday obligations,

18:07requests come from

18:10BIS set

18:13a ticket tracking system called

18:15SolarWinds, and BIS set forwards the

18:17request to the agency application

18:20administrator for evaluating the access

18:22request. After receiving the

18:24confirmation, BIS set applies the

18:26access,

18:27I mean the access change, which is

18:29adding or removing or disabling.

18:31BIS set expects many agency application

18:35administrators to monitor access, which

18:37we mean by that is when an employee is

18:40separated from their job function, an

18:42agency must notify BIS set.

18:46Next slide, please.

18:51We Our finding

18:54show that city has the opportunity to

18:58improve retaining the application

19:01request.

19:03Most of the access requests were

19:05informally approved. Documentation is

19:08used to validate the current access is

19:10appropriate and approved for their

19:12security rights application access. So,

19:15without

19:16documentation, management cannot

19:18demonstrate that employees access was

19:20requested and approved. Therefore,

19:22employees may have access that does not

19:25align with the business needs.

19:28Next slide.

19:30So, from fiscal year 2020 July 2024 to

19:35November 2025, we selected

19:3830 employees from New Higher and 30

19:40employees from Transverse that come with

19:43327

19:44FFRs, financial security rule request.

19:48Out of 327 that we reviewed, 225

19:53documentation requests were not

19:55available, which is 69%.

20:00Next slide, please.

20:03For the network day application access,

20:07we reviewed 95 employees that come up

20:11with 131 requests.

20:1487 requests were not

20:16not available. I mean the documentation

20:19for the application request was not

20:22available for 87

20:2487 requests, which is 66%.

20:28Next slide.

20:30This slide is looking at

20:3287

20:35documentation which is not

20:37available by

20:39systems. This is the 12 systems that we

20:43we look at.

20:45Next slide, please.

20:48Um

20:49the root causes are number one, the

20:51timing issue when city implemented the

20:54SolarWinds um

20:56um ticketing system to file application

21:00access request.

21:01There were, you know, some systems which

21:04implemented before, you know, the

21:06SolarWinds requirement to file the

21:08application access request. The another

21:12cause is because of the urgency of

21:14application implementation such as

21:16Accela. And some systems like Aries, you

21:20know, the accounts were created directly

21:22by the vendor during the application

21:25implementation or directly by the towing

21:27management.

21:30Next slide, please.

21:32For Workday, it is the design for

21:36prior form doesn't include the all

21:39applications. So, for the applications

21:42that were not listed in the form, the

21:45request was

21:47processed through email

21:50informally.

21:51For this part, you know, city improved

21:54it and now FSAR has the application all

21:58applications.

21:59We recommend the Chief Information

22:01Officer to ensure that all requests for

22:04Workday financial security rules can be

22:06filed through the FSAR and implement a

22:09policy that requires all agency

22:11application administrators to

22:13periodically review a list of users to

22:16confirm whether the current users have

22:19appropriate access.

22:21Next slide, please.

22:24In addition to this finding, there are

22:26four confidential findings and

22:28recommendation. We communicated those to

22:31appropriate BSS and city personnel. The

22:35reason that we

22:37omitted these findings from the public

22:39report is because of the data security

22:42concerns and that is allowed by the

22:44government auditing standards.

22:47Next slide.

22:50In terms of methodology, we interviewed

22:53or inquired key personnel from BSS to

22:56obtain an understanding of the granting

22:59and removal of access requests.

23:02We analyzed the curious associated with

23:06improper management of access rights.

23:09Next slide, please. We tested 60

23:12employees, new hires, and transfer

23:15employees,

23:17and we

23:18we also tested 143

23:21newly registered users from the non-work

23:25the applications and we presented the

23:27finding to you today. Next slide.

23:31There are

23:32some application which have um

23:36uh

23:38Some employees have administrator

23:41administrator access in some

23:43applications. So, we dive into those

23:46access security access to make sure that

23:49those employees actually did not have

23:51the

23:52removing and changing access. Actually,

23:55they have only approval access.

23:59Um that concludes my presentation and I

24:02appreciate the audit team and the BCP

24:05for their cooperation.

24:11>> Thank you so much, Madam Deputy.

24:14Questions from the board.

24:19All right. Hearing no questions from the

24:21auditing team, again, want to thank Mr.

24:24Pash, Ms. Mong for the thorough audit of

24:28BCP.

24:29We will now hear the administration

24:31response.

24:32Thank you very much.

24:38All right.

24:40Mr. Mayor,

24:41please introduce yourself and

24:45please respond.

24:47>> Good morning. Good morning, Mr. Mayor,

24:48Council President, Comptroller, Board of

24:49Estimates. Thank you very much for this

24:51opportunity to respond. My name is T.J.

24:53Mayat. I am the Chief Information

24:54Officer for the City of Baltimore, and I

24:56do want to confirm that technology

24:58issues follow me wherever I go.

25:01Uh we do have a few slides. Ryan, if you

25:02could bring those up, please.

25:10Just last night I was helping my

25:1214-year-old with a printer issue, so

25:15this is my life.

25:19I do everything.

25:21Uh I would like to take a moment to

25:22thank our audit partners for their

25:23partnership. Um and they're uh always

25:26holding us accountable and in the spirit

25:27of continuous improvement helping us

25:29improve wherever we can.

25:31Uh and I would like to thank everyone

25:32for being willing to listen to me talk

25:34about application access and IT

25:35governance, uh a passion of mine.

25:38Uh I'm going to start with a brief

25:39review of our uh biennial audit from FY

25:41'21 and '23. So, next slide, Ryan,

25:43please.

25:45So, just a quick update, the auditors

25:47did make four recommendations, which we

25:48have been making significant progress

25:50on. Uh we have completed an inventory of

25:52all applications across the city, found

25:54over 500 applications uh to help us

25:56manage that, and to

25:58ensure that we keep that application up

26:00to date, we're putting together a uh

26:03citywide policy to ensure that we

26:05understand what the city has and uh

26:07manage it appropriately.

26:09We've also completed all restoration

26:11testing for all of our critical

26:12applications. Our final application

26:14testing on a category zero application

26:17was just completed 2 weeks ago. Uh a bit

26:19moment of privilege here, that was on

26:21our active directory system that the

26:23auditors mentioned. This is essentially

26:25the city list of all users and their

26:27permissions. It's a critical system that

26:29is frequently targeted during

26:30cybersecurity events. So, to know with

26:33certainty that we have uh resilience on

26:34that system is very important, and I'm

26:36very proud of the team for being able to

26:38pull off that test.

26:40But, also along those same lines, we

26:41need to ensure that that testing is

26:42monitored and kept up with, so we're

26:44putting in place an SOP.

26:46Uh next slide, please.

26:50So, just a quick overview on application

26:52access um that the auditor did cover. Uh

26:55we really focused on two types of

26:56access, general, so your average user,

26:58and then privileged access, which has

27:00more uh access to sensitive data or

27:04critical systems, which is managed more

27:05closely. Uh we want to say that we in

27:08BISIT take application access very

27:09seriously. Every account uh is

27:11requested, approved, granted, reviewed,

27:14and then removed critically if the

27:16employee moves or is transferred.

27:19Uh next slide, please.

27:21So, there was a new finding uh with two

27:23recommendations. We BISIT do agree with

27:26this finding, and we do feel that these

27:27recommendations do need to be taken

27:29seriously. Uh so, we will be looking at

27:31routing all Workday requests through the

27:33FSR form, and ensure that all user lists

27:36are appropriately monitored and uh

27:38reviewed.

27:39Next slide.

27:42So, in response to these um

27:43recommendations, first on the Workday

27:45financial roles, we are putting in place

27:47an SOP to ensure that all roles uh all

27:50requested roles are used the financial

27:52role assignment standard operating

27:53procedure and that form that already

27:55exists. This SOP has been drafted. We

27:57need to work closely with our partners

27:59in DHR and finance to ensure that it

28:01meets uh their needs. And as they

28:04adjudicate that policy, we'll get the

28:06users trained on it, and ensure that it

28:08is uh enforced. And we target uh March

28:10of next year to complete that.

28:12Uh we're also putting in place an

28:14application access uh standard operating

28:16procedure. So, for all BISIT managed

28:17applications, we will do an annual

28:19review of that access. So, the managers

28:21will have to go through each of their

28:23users lists on the application and

28:25ensure that those users still have that

28:27need for that um system.

28:31Uh next slide.

28:34So, again, I'd like to thank our audit

28:35partners for holding us accountable and

28:36making sure we're doing the right thing

28:37for the city, keeping us secure, and I'm

28:39happy to answer any questions you may

28:40have.

28:42Thank you.

28:43>> That answered all my questions.

28:44>> Thank you, uh Mr. Mayor.

28:46Um

28:47the first question

28:49I have is

28:52whether or not we have undertaken a

28:53review to determine

28:56whether any city employees have system

28:58access that they should not have.

29:01Um if not, by how soon will we be able

29:04to ensure that we are limiting system

29:06access to those permissions appropriate

29:08for each employee's job requirements.

29:12I think a lot about

29:14folks in the City Council, I think about

29:17folks in the administration, I think

29:18about

29:19uh the comptroller,

29:22privacy, security

29:25is critically important for

29:27all of our stuff. And so, just want to

29:30make sure from your perspective that

29:33given these findings,

29:36uh

29:37we are

29:38able to make we are able to say with

29:40100% certainty that

29:42uh

29:43I or

29:45anyone that I have given permission to

29:46are the only folks that are going in,

29:48checking my emails, checking, you know,

29:51the mayor's able to see his emails. Just

29:53we live in a time of cyber insecurity

29:57where,

29:59you know, we we all we three are old

30:01enough to remember when the city got

30:03hacked and when we all lost access to

30:05everything.

30:07Um

30:09Please let me know kind of the status

30:12cuz I think it's critically important

30:15that

30:16access remains for those who are granted

30:18access.

30:19>> Uh yes, sir, absolutely. I mean,

30:21application access is a cornerstone of a

30:23good cybersecurity program. Uh that's

30:25why we're putting in place that SOP that

30:26I mentioned. So, that will literally

30:28require us to essentially print out the

30:31user list for each application, hand it

30:33to the application owner, and have them

30:34go manager by manager to ensure that

30:36user still requires that access. It's

30:39also why in the uh application flow that

30:41I or access flow that I showed, there's

30:43a remove at the end of that because

30:45that's a frequently forgotten piece. If

30:47an employee leaves or more importantly,

30:49honestly, is transferred, we have to

30:51review that employee's access to make

30:52sure they only have the the correct

30:54level that they have. So, it's something

30:56we take seriously. We're putting in

30:57place an SOP to ensure that we do it on

30:59a continual basis. Unfortunately, it's

31:01not something you just do once and

31:02assume it's going to continue. It has to

31:04be a process that we do continually.

31:08>> Yeah.

31:09I mean, it's critically important that

31:12>> we often, let's say we're negotiating

31:15the budget or we're

31:17debating legislation, whatever the case

31:19may be, I want to be sure that I'm not

31:22in the mayor's emails, the mayor's not

31:24in my emails, my colleagues have only

31:26access to what they need access to. Uh

31:30just that application piece, I think is

31:34so vitally important. Uh you know, as we

31:37as we govern in this moment where so

31:40much of so much critical and

31:44confidential information is online and

31:48that we are protecting it.

31:50I think it's just extremely important,

31:52Mr. Mayor.

31:54>> Thank you. If we can go bring your

31:56presentation back up, TJ.

31:57>> Yes, sir.

31:59>> And Mr. President, you can have my email

32:02because there's no emails there.

32:04That's the only way to protect your

32:06email is to not email.

32:08Uh

32:11So, along the lines of what the council

32:13president was saying and as the

32:15the resident tech expert on the board of

32:17estimates,

32:18uh Mr. President, I remember that day

32:20very well. It was literally

32:23my first 5 hours of being a city council

32:26president is when when we had the the

32:28cyber attack. But uh director, I think

32:32and I know you guys have done a great

32:33job with this, but I want the council

32:35president and the comptroller to hear it

32:38not from me but from you.

32:39>> Yes, sir.

32:40Because we've had this conversation

32:42about these issues.

32:44Um

32:46There are

32:49I don't say gaps, but there are

32:51gaps within the system. Because

32:54with a certain level of access,

32:57is it still true that even Microsoft

33:01cannot track

33:03everything that a certain person does or

33:06a certain person with a certain level of

33:08access. You, for example, as the

33:10administrator. They They can't even tell

33:12what the person is accessing. Is that

33:14correct?

33:15>> Yes, sir. And if we move to the the

33:18privilege access slide,

33:20so we draw a clear distinction between

33:23user level access and privilege access.

33:24And to the mayor's point, then there's a

33:26level above that, right? That we call it

33:28domain level access, you call it super

33:30user access. That essentially they have

33:32the keys to the kingdom. It's very

33:34important that we limit those accounts

33:36cuz should those accounts be

33:36compromised, the city has a serious

33:38problem. So we BCIT take ensure that

33:41those accounts are as limited as

33:42possible and only have like a real need

33:45to. We use the

33:47principle called least privilege. So you

33:49only have the access you need to do your

33:51job. And we always make sure that to

33:53maintain that level as much as possible.

33:54>> Thank you. I just wanted to make that

33:56known on the record so

33:58that that my colleagues understood that

34:01because

34:02in the tech world there is a way, you

34:04know, for example, if I have that

34:05access, Mr. Comptroller, now I of course

34:08wouldn't do this. I can go into all of

34:10your files as you and there is no way

34:12for Microsoft to know that it was me and

34:14that and not you. So we just have to

34:17understand that even with all the work

34:19that BCIT is doing, there are still gaps

34:22that not even they can solve for.

34:28Mr. Comptroller?

34:30>> Uh thank you, Mr. President. And um and

34:33and thank you for that reassurance, uh

34:36Mr. Mayor. Um

34:38I I I I will I will say that uh as

34:41someone who spent time in the City

34:44Council

34:45under

34:47mayors that I would have

34:50liked to have had that reassurance from

34:53at the time. I I I'm I'm happy to get

34:56that now. I'm happy to get that now from

34:58you. Um uh you

35:03That begs the question, is there anyone

35:06with superuser access outside of BSET?

35:11>> Yes.

35:12>> Okay.

35:13Um

35:18um

35:22Is is

35:24is that person here today?

35:27>> No.

35:28>> Okay.

35:32Is that person a member of the

35:33legislative branch of government?

35:38>> Uh no.

35:38>> No. No, okay. All right. Um

35:41Okay. Um

35:44Does that person work directly for

35:47anyone who's here today?

35:49>> No.

35:50>> Okay. Okay. All right. Well, I think

35:53that's as far as I want to go without

35:56having the city solicitor

35:59she's poised.

36:01Uh and I I I found that when she's at

36:04the poised point, that's the point to

36:06stop because the next uh the next

36:10position past that may actually be

36:12leaping. And so, I will I will say thank

36:15you for answering my questions to that

36:17level of specificity.

36:19>> Yes, sir.

36:20All right. Uh other questions from the

36:22board?

36:25Nope. Hearing and seeing none, uh thank

36:28you to the audit team. Thank you, Mr.

36:29Mayor. Uh this item is now noted by the

36:33board. Thank you.

36:35Thank you.

36:36All right. The next The next item on the

36:38non-routine agenda is also from the

36:41Department of Audits under SB26-13670.

36:44This is a request to note the biennial

36:47performance audit of the Baltimore

36:48Police Department for fiscal years 2024

36:52through

36:53May 2026, which evaluated the

36:56department's process for canceling each

36:58days or

37:00scheduled days off. On behalf of Audits,

37:02we have City Auditor Josh Pash. And from

37:05the Police Department, we will hear from

37:07Andrew Smallian. Mr. Pash, the floor is

37:11yours.

37:12>> Good morning, Mr. President, Mr. Mayor,

37:13Mr. Comptroller, honorable board

37:15members. My name is Josh Pash. I'm the

37:17city auditor. I am here to present the

37:19biennial performance audit for the

37:20Baltimore Police Department. I would

37:22like to thank the Police Department and

37:23our audit staff for all their efforts

37:25and work on this audit. Do we have it up

37:27yet? Okay.

37:36Next slide.

37:39I will go over our audit objective and

37:41scope, and the identified risks, some

37:43background information, a lot of

37:44background information, our findings,

37:46and our audit methodology.

37:49Next slide.

37:51Audit objective: to evaluate the

37:54Baltimore Police Department's efficiency

37:55and effectiveness of cancellation policy

37:57for each days, which are the scheduled

37:59days off. Our scope was fiscal years 24

38:01and 25. We extended it through May of 26

38:05to take into consideration current

38:07processes. This audit excluded overtime

38:11earned for each day cancellations due to

38:13a lack of work day code a specific work

38:15day code for each day cancellations. We

38:17could not isolate the associated

38:18overtime specifically tied to each days.

38:21Um consequently, this overtime was

38:23excluded from our audit. Um, there will

38:25actually be a recommendation related to

38:27that.

38:28Next slide.

38:30The three major risks that we considered

38:32were finance risk, um, fraud risk, and

38:35IT risk.

38:37Next slide.

38:39Okay. So, what are H days? H days is

38:41basically what we consider a weekend.

38:43Um, police, because they have to cover

38:45all days, their weekends or H days are,

38:49um, scheduled

38:51throughout the week.

38:53These do not include vacation,

38:55compensatory, or personal leave. They're

38:57separate from that. Um, and then you are

39:00the police department is not allowed to

39:02do an H day cancellation for routine

39:04business operations. It is only for

39:06staffing shortages, operational

39:08commitments, and special events. And

39:10this is governed by the MOU between the

39:13city and the Fraternal Order of Police

39:15Union.

39:17Next slide.

39:20Okay. So, how does H day cancellation

39:23work for large special events? It starts

39:25with police leadership. They will

39:27identify a day that they need a

39:30additional staff. They will solicit

39:31volunteers to cover the event, and they

39:35will send notification to the required

39:36staff, either those that volunteer to

39:38take, um, to work that day or via H day

39:40cancellations, which are involuntary

39:42cancellations to meet staffing needs.

39:44Um, the police leadership includes the

39:46police commissioner, his designee, or

39:48the commander of the police unit. An

39:50example of a large special event would

39:51be Artscape.

39:53After that, supervisors will approve the

39:55H day cancellations for the individual

39:57officers, and they

39:59are supposed to, um, attach

40:01authorization, whether it's a memo or an

40:03email, in Workday for that specific

40:06officer explaining why it was canceled.

40:11Next slide.

40:13Okay. Um,

40:15the policy says that officers are

40:18initially um supposed to attempt to

40:20reschedule their H day cancellation to

40:22an alternate work day within 28 cycle 28

40:24day cycle pay cycle. Basically saying,

40:27would you like to switch your H day or

40:29your designated weekend day for another

40:31day that you're working during that pay

40:33cycle.

40:35Um we noted and the police department

40:36notes that the majority of officers

40:38rarely request rescheduling their

40:40cancellation of H day. Um and then the

40:43financial impact is that the

40:45cancellations will result in overtime

40:47compensation instead of um basically

40:50swapping their day off.

40:52So,

40:54next slide.

40:56Okay, how is an H day cancellation paid?

41:00So, again, we excluded overtime for the

41:02H day cancellation. They will receive

41:04overtime for their hours worked. In

41:06addition, there is penalty pay.

41:08So, if the officer is notified more than

41:1220 48 hours before that day, there is a

41:16penalty pay, which is straight time of 8

41:18and 1/2 hours, and then additional hours

41:20straight time of 4 hours. If the

41:22officers is notified less than 48 hours

41:25before that canceled day, that will be

41:27an additional 6 hours of um

41:31in addition to the 8.5. Again, these are

41:33for involuntary cancellations.

41:37Next slide.

41:39In addition, there is a minimum 4-hour

41:42guarantee pay that states that if an

41:45officer on the H day cancellation is

41:47only called in for 2 hours, they'll pay

41:49they'll be paid for a minimum of 4

41:51hours. If they work

41:53more than 4 hours, then it'll just be um

41:57the hours they worked.

42:00Next slide.

42:04Okay.

42:05Workday's involvement. So, Workday

42:07restricts um approval functions to

42:09supervisors. And as normal function of

42:12work day for us all, when an officer or

42:15any employee enters their time, it is

42:16required to be reviewed and approved by

42:18a supervisor, so that's an additional

42:19control.

42:21Um and then there is um data entry

42:24requirements, which Workday has controls

42:26over. Um so basically the supervisors

42:28manually enter and approve um penalty

42:30pay hours, and that is using a Workday

42:33additional hour tag. Um and then there's

42:35also that 4-hour guarantee, which

42:37there's a specific Workday code when

42:39that's applied. Workday will

42:40automatically move any hours worked that

42:43are less than four up to the four hours

42:45and leave them alone if it's more than

42:46four hours.

42:49Next slide.

42:51Okay, commissioner days. So annually,

42:54the police commissioner designates five

42:56specific days um for operational needs

42:59such as major events that are designated

43:01as police commissioner days. What that

43:03means is there is no H day cancellation

43:06penalty pay for those days. Um officers

43:09uh are required to work even if it is

43:12for a H day or their weekend day. Um

43:15however, I just want to point out that

43:17not all officers are brought in for

43:19these um

43:20these uh commissioner days. They are

43:22meeting their staffing needs.

43:24Um

43:26So even though there will be no penalty

43:28pay, which is the in half hours or the

43:30four and the four hours um are not

43:32applicable to these days, they will be

43:34paid overtime for working on that day.

43:39Next slide, please.

43:41Our first finding. So police department

43:43cannot substan- substantiate H day

43:46cancellation approvals over and we

43:48looked at the last three years. So we

43:50noted that BPD does not consistently

43:52document written approvals for H day to

43:55verify whether the supervisor actions

43:57comply with the criteria established in

43:59the MOU and then also the internal

44:00payroll manuals.

44:02So

44:03what's the effect? We have lack of

44:04accountability because there's

44:06insufficient documentation to verify

44:08that advanced notice was provided to

44:10staff to differentiate between whether

44:12the officer should have the additional 4

44:15hours or the additional 6 hours.

44:17Um documentation for justification of

44:19canceling that scheduled day off. And

44:21then documentation to support that they

44:24went and they tried to do the swapping

44:28um in that 28-day um pay period. And

44:31then the financial risk there is that

44:32there's an increased potential for

44:34unnecessary overtime hours.

44:38Next slide.

44:41Okay. So, we evaluated a judgmental

44:43sample consisting of 30 officers across

44:47the three fiscal years 24, 25, and 26.

44:50For each officer, we selected we

44:51selected one pay period and we tested

44:53all HDA cancellations that occurred in

44:55that pay period. Um we

44:58that ended up to being 62 unique events

45:01and 234 HDA instances for those 30

45:04officers for every HDA cancellation that

45:06happened in that one pay period. Um so

45:10for attribute A, the police department

45:12does not include the leadership

45:14notifications, whether it's a memo or an

45:15email authorizing the HDA cancellation,

45:18which is that memo from the top that

45:19says we need to cancel for this event

45:22and we need this number of um police

45:24officers.

45:26Um

45:28so after looking into Workday to see if

45:30it was attached there and basically see

45:33none of them were attached 100% across

45:35the board, we went and asked if they

45:36could provide that notification from the

45:39commissioner or designee um for that day

45:41that might not have been uploaded into

45:43Workday. And again, they were not able

45:45to find any of those um notifications

45:47from the top leadership.

45:49For attribute B,

45:51we looked at the Workday comment fields

45:54to see if there was information in there

45:56to justify why the HDA was canceled. Um

46:00we noted that for all of our sample

46:02testing, every comment field had been

46:05populated. Um, the

46:10and 24 the zero, that means that every

46:13comment field had a justification for

46:15that H day cancellation. On 25 the 10%

46:18means that 10% of our sample of 98 did

46:22not have justification for the

46:23cancellation. Basically, it would say

46:25something like that cancelled H day,

46:27which is non-informative and we already

46:29knew that based on the code. Um, and

46:31then for 26 8% did not have um

46:36a description in the comment field that

46:38would be um give any explanation of why

46:41that H day was cancelled.

46:45Next slide.

46:47Okay, so how do we test it? We compared

46:51the event date, which was the day that

46:53was cancelled, and the actual

46:54notification date to see if it was

46:56within um 48 hours or beyond 48 hours.

46:59Um, due to missing documentation

47:01regarding when the um notification

47:03notification was made to the officer, we

47:05were not able to test that.

47:09And so we cannot determine if the um

47:12any entry of 6 hours was appropriate or

47:15if it should have been 4 hours of the

47:16additional pay.

47:18Next slide.

47:21Okay, root causes. So for

47:23non-compliance, we talked to BPD

47:25supervisors and they informed us that

47:27they're not all of them are aware of the

47:30established protocols in the MOU and the

47:32BPD manuals, so lack of knowledge.

47:35And then lack of policy awareness, some

47:37supervisors stated that they're unaware

47:38of the MOU and those um payroll

47:41mandates. For example, um

47:45if an H day if an employee's an H day um

47:47cancelled following proper procedures,

47:48the employee is entitled to 4 hours of

47:49penalty pay as I mentioned. Um, the

47:51employee's manager must enter this pay

47:54on the employee's time sheet in Workday

47:55on the date of the canceled HDay using

47:58time type additional hours and then

48:00upload written documentation provided by

48:02the unit commander. The pay code of

48:04additional hours was used, but there was

48:06no documentation to give explanations of

48:10why.

48:12Next slide, please.

48:14So, the recommendation is to update the

48:16information into work day,

48:18um that leadership notification, and

48:20then also to formally document and um

48:24include the reasons for the HDay

48:25cancellations, whether that's in the

48:27common field or an attachment.

48:31Next slide.

48:34Second finding.

48:35So, we noted that BPD overpaid

48:37additional hours due to insufficient

48:39monitoring controls over HDay

48:41cancellation approvals and payments.

48:44Um we noted that BPD has limited

48:46monitoring controls to make sure HDay

48:48cancellation requests are properly

48:50authorized and accurately compensated.

48:52There is a internal control they have,

48:54which is payroll compliance manager

48:56review. Um we found that to be

48:58ineffective. Basically, the current

49:01supervisor reviews failed to detect

49:03systematic payment errors, which I will

49:05get more details in two slides. Um the

49:07scope of those reviews are to review

49:09additional hour logs linked specifically

49:12to commissioner days. The payroll

49:14compliance manager coordinates with HDay

49:16timekeepers, and they will direct

49:18supervisors to make necessary

49:19corrections for issues that the payroll

49:22compliance manager finds. Um and then

49:24after that, the procedure is payroll

49:26compliance manager will rerun those

49:28reports to make sure that the um

49:31aired entries are corrected.

49:34Next slide.

49:37They also have another control. Um they

49:39have a performance standards section

49:40that does quarterly reviews.

49:43Um those quarterly reviews, the timeline

49:45for those, this is not our audit, this

49:47is their internal audit. Um they've been

49:49active since 2025, and we went and

49:52looked at those ones that are related

49:54specifically to H day. They do have

49:56other quarterly reviews for other

49:58subjects which were out of the scope of

49:59our audit.

50:01So, the scope of these quarterly reviews

50:03for H day, they are to evaluate the top

50:07five highest H day penalty pay earners

50:08across the ranks of officer sergeant and

50:10lieutenant.

50:12Their purpose is to verify H day

50:14cancellation and overtime payments are

50:15accurate and comply with established

50:17policies. We noted that there were

50:18systemic findings basically in the

50:21reports across the different quarterly

50:23reports, we looked at six, that there

50:25were findings that were repeat findings

50:27from one report to the next.

50:29So, those findings were that management,

50:33this is their internal audit, are not

50:34fully complying to meet documentation

50:36standards outlined in the payroll manual

50:37manual. Like I said, we noted that

50:40identical findings and recommendations

50:42were repeated throughout those reports.

50:45We noted that even they were in there,

50:48there was no management action plan

50:50manager response

50:52to deal with those. For example, when we

50:53do an audit, we give a finding, manager

50:55response says this is our plan to

50:57address those and then we follow up to

50:59make sure those are addressed.

51:03Next slide, please.

51:06Okay, related to the um

51:09the payroll compliance manager reviews

51:11which I mentioned two slides ago.

51:13This we we tested to see if on police

51:16police commissioner days there was um H

51:20day cancellation pay. Um this is part of

51:22the review of the in the scope of the

51:25payroll compliance manager review.

51:27Um

51:28So, we noted that over the three years

51:32that we looked at, actually for fiscal

51:34year 24 through May of 26,

51:37um there was we found $36,000 of H day

51:41cancellation pay that was occurred on a

51:44police commissioner day which I'd

51:45mentioned earlier. Um for police

51:47commissioner days, there is no penalty

51:49pay, and that should be paid.

51:51Next slide.

51:56Okay, so

52:02we looked at root causes, we identified

52:04that those reviewers who are doing the

52:06internal audits, they face um critical

52:09system access restrictions inside

52:10Workday, preventing them from preventing

52:12them from doing their verification

52:14procedures. Um for example, in the

52:16second quarter of fiscal fiscal year

52:18'25, the performance standards section

52:20noted that out of 15 officers reviewed,

52:23only one had an uploaded document in

52:26Workday um to support it. However, even

52:29that they were restricted from accessing

52:30the document and could not use it to um

52:32verify that everything was appropriate.

52:35Our recommendation is to formalize

52:37reporting. So, when the performance

52:38standards section um gives their

52:41internal audit report and it has

52:42findings, our recommendation is that

52:44those who are responsible for the

52:46findings create a corrective action

52:48plan, and that is included in the

52:50quarterly report, and that will um

52:52facilitate the ability to follow up on

52:54those findings and hopefully reduce them

52:57being repeat findings from future

52:58quarterly reports. Um the other one is

53:01to remove access barriers. These are in

53:03Workday. So, those individuals that are

53:06designated reviewers of this, to grant

53:08them access to see those Workday

53:09attachments, specifically for HDA

53:11cancellation approvals, so they can

53:13verify that what is required is actually

53:15in there.

53:17Next slide.

53:19Finding three.

53:20Workday has limited validation checks to

53:22prevent

53:23EPD from processing unallowable penalty

53:26payments. So, we looked at the Workday

53:29controls over this process. We noted the

53:32following controls on the left that are

53:34Workday controls that are working. So,

53:37the first control is that Workday

53:38restricts the entry of the 4-hour

53:39minimum guarantee pay on standard work

53:41days. So, if the person, let's say,

53:44works Monday through Friday and has a

53:45standard weekend, then you can Workday

53:47does not allow you to add a minimum

53:504-hour pay on Monday through Friday

53:52Friday only on those H days, which would

53:54be the weekend or whatever it has to

53:55have as a weekend.

53:57There is also segregation of duties

53:58control built into Workday that prevents

54:00supervisors from self-approving and

54:02entering their own additional hours.

54:04We also noted two that were validation

54:07gaps, basically

54:09um edit controls in Workday that were

54:11not um set up. One was duplicate

54:15entries. So, Workday pre-

54:17Workday permits a supervisor to submit a

54:194-hour guarantee payment multiple times

54:22for one single canceled H day. So,

54:24Workday doesn't let you do the 4-hour

54:26minimum on a regular work day, but on an

54:29H day, you can actually enter it twice.

54:31Um this becomes an issue if the time is

54:34entered, let's say, in blocks. Uh time

54:36block, let's say, they worked from 8:00

54:37to 10:00 in the morning, and then

54:39another um time they worked from, let's

54:41say, 1:00 to 2:00 in the afternoon. As

54:44they are separate, if they both had the

54:45um

54:47the minimum guarantee work code, then

54:49Workday would move both of those up to

54:50four 4 hours. So, instead of getting um

54:544 hours instead of 3 hours, they would

54:55get 8 hours instead of 3 hours.

55:00We also noted um policy override. The

55:02system configuration allows entry of

55:05additional hours that

55:08on regular scheduled work days. So, it

55:10is um it's not possible to identify if

55:13or if there is additional hours related

55:15to an H day, they can be entered on a

55:16regular scheduled work day. Um

55:19and I will talk about that a little bit

55:20further.

55:22Next line.

55:24Okay.

55:25So, basically, the system is not giving

55:27us controls over those, which increases

55:29the risk of overpayments. Our

55:32recommendation as the police

55:33commissioner work with BSET to establish

55:35these controls in Workday. Um one would

55:38be H day tracking. So, to have a

55:40dedicated system work tag for additional

55:41hours tied exclusively to work days. So,

55:43when I previously mentioned that you can

55:45have additional hours on regular

55:46schedule work day, that is because the

55:47additional hour code is used for

55:49multiple purposes. Therefore, it is very

55:53difficult to identify if H day

55:55additional hours are booked on a regular

55:57schedule work day versus additional

55:59hours for another purpose. So,

56:00recommendation is

56:02to separate work tags so that would be

56:04easier to monitor and control and that

56:06you could actually build in a Workday

56:08control to prevent those hours from

56:10being booked on a regular schedule work

56:12day.

56:13Um

56:17Shift validation. So, put a

56:20configure Workday, have automatic edit

56:22checks to block the use of H day work

56:24tag on standard regular schedule work

56:26days.

56:27Prevent duplication. So, I mentioned

56:29that the 4-hour minimum code can be

56:31entered multiple times on one day to

56:33create a Workday edit check that

56:34prevents that from happening. So, the

56:36minimum 4-hour code can only be entered

56:39once on a work day.

56:42Or an H day cancellation.

56:43Next slide, please.

56:46Fourth finding.

56:49The current H day cancellation process

56:51and policy increases costs to the city.

56:55So,

56:56as noted in the background slides, when

56:57a scheduled day off is cancelled,

56:59officers receive an additional 8 and 1/2

57:02hours of straight pay and depending on

57:04the timing of that notification,

57:06an additional 4 hours or 6 hours at

57:09straight pay. Um consequently, there is

57:11a strong financial motiva- motivation

57:13for officers to avoid rescheduling their

57:15days off, which would

57:17um

57:19let them swap days versus getting this

57:20penalty pay.

57:21Um

57:22Given these structural settings in the

57:26procedures, um robust oversight of H day

57:29cancellations is critical and as I had

57:32in finding one, monitoring of this

57:35is limited.

57:37So, to address these inefficiencies,

57:41BPD could identify utilize commissioner

57:44days more effectively,

57:46um

57:47and that gets to strategic um

57:49optimization commissioner days. So,

57:51first,

57:54for sending commissioner days, instead

57:55of having a um a commissioner day that's

57:59effective for department-wide, which I'd

58:01mentioned earlier that

58:03a commissioner day

58:05basically means you cannot get penalty

58:07for that day, and it's for every police

58:08officer that is needed for staff.

58:10However, additional not all police

58:11officers are needed for that additional

58:13staffing. So, if the commissioner days

58:16could be applied to sections or officers

58:18saying that this group right here has

58:20commissioner day on

58:22um the 25th, and this group here on the

58:26second, that would allow the reduction

58:28in HJ cancellation um additional pay.

58:31Um

58:33Additionally, we recommend that the

58:36number of a commissioner days be

58:38increased. Currently, there's five.

58:40Increasing those days would allow um

58:44meeting those additional staffing needs

58:46for special events, etc., um to fall

58:48within a commissioner day.

58:51We noted, and on the next slides we'll

58:53noted, a number of um annual events that

58:57drive operational demands, and

58:59increasing the commissioner day number

59:01of commissioner days would allow us to

59:03reduce the amount of penalty pay.

59:05Um

59:08So,

59:09um in discus- in discussions with um BPD

59:12and looking at supporting documentation,

59:14um here are projected major events to

59:17give us perspective of how many major

59:19events we have in a year. Next slide.

59:24And the chart shows the number of staff

59:28that are expected to need, um, how many

59:30days the event lasts, and how many hours

59:32are expected to be used per officer on

59:34that day.

59:36So, if you multiply these across, you

59:38can see the number of hours that would

59:40be, um,

59:41um, affected by this.

59:44Next slide.

59:49Next slide.

59:53Okay, our recommendation, as I hinted to

59:55previously, is that the, um, city

59:58administrator and, um,

1:00:00working with the police commissioner and

1:00:02the labor commissioner, um, when they

1:00:03negotiate the next MOU, to work on

1:00:07increasing the annual number of

1:00:08commissioner days to account for the

1:00:11recurring high demand, and then also to

1:00:14put in the place, which I believe is

1:00:16actually not restricted by the policy,

1:00:17but has been standardized, to

1:00:19restructure allocations to assign

1:00:20commissioner days to individual officer

1:00:22groups, rather than applying them

1:00:24department-wide. I do realize this is

1:00:26involving multiple parties, but

1:00:29in discussion with the police

1:00:30department, this would be an effective

1:00:32way to reduce the amount of, um,

1:00:35cancellation of H day penalty pay hours.

1:00:39Next slide.

1:00:41So, what we did in this audit. So, we

1:00:44interviewed police department personnel,

1:00:46we conducted walk-throughs to get an

1:00:48understanding of the approval procedures

1:00:50and design controls for H day

1:00:51cancellations that we had findings 1, 2,

1:00:543, and 4 related to that. We looked at,

1:00:57we reviewed the MOU and the BPD payroll

1:01:00manual governing H day cancellations,

1:01:03relate, um, finding 4 related to that.

1:01:05We looked at the quarterly reports and

1:01:08assessed them, those done by the

1:01:10professional standards section, that was

1:01:12reported in finding 2.

1:01:14Next slide.

1:01:17Um, we tested 62 events which, um,

1:01:22came out to 234 H A cancellations

1:01:25um from its judge judgmental sample of

1:01:2730 officers. We selected the officer, we

1:01:29selected a pay period, and we looked at

1:01:31all H A cancellations in that pay period

1:01:33for that officer, which is how we came

1:01:35to the 234. Um we were looking for

1:01:39proper supporting documentation and

1:01:41supervisory authorization, accurate

1:01:43recording of hours in Workday, correct

1:01:45calculation of penalty pay in

1:01:47penalty pay in accordance with the

1:01:48requirements, and that the cancellations

1:01:51received formal approval from authorized

1:01:53supervisor

1:01:55personnel.

1:01:57Next slide.

1:01:59We also analyzed 3 years of historical

1:02:01payment data for commissioner days to

1:02:03identify if additional hours were paid

1:02:06on those designated commissioner days,

1:02:08which they shouldn't have been. And then

1:02:09we also um looked through Workday user

1:02:13access to confirm that only appropriate

1:02:15personnel can create and approve the

1:02:16additional hours for H A cancellation.

1:02:19Um we did not find any findings there.

1:02:23Next slide.

1:02:25We looked at the Workday system

1:02:27controls. We looked at configuration,

1:02:29which I had mentioned earlier, to assess

1:02:31if there were vulnerabilities that if

1:02:34additional hours and the 4-hour

1:02:35guarantee payment could be entered um on

1:02:38regular scheduled work days. Uh that was

1:02:40a pass. We looked to see if they could

1:02:43be entered multiple times on one day.

1:02:45There was a finding on that. We looked

1:02:47if sworn officers can input hours for

1:02:49themselves. That was

1:02:53a pass. And then we looked at H A

1:02:55cancellation entries for that are

1:02:57restricted to approval only by their

1:02:58immediate supervisor, and those were in

1:03:01finding three.

1:03:04Again, um this was a big project. I I

1:03:07appreciate our audit team's effort and

1:03:09the police department's um efforts on

1:03:12getting this audit completed and

1:03:15for this report.

1:03:17>> Thank you, uh Mr. Pash. Thank you to

1:03:19your team for another really thorough

1:03:22audit.

1:03:23The council has been deeply concerned by

1:03:25the amount of overtime incurred by both

1:03:27the police and fire departments, and we

1:03:29appreciate the in-depth review of

1:03:31overtime expenditures at BPD associated

1:03:34with H day cancellations.

1:03:37Let me just ask, do you have a sense of

1:03:39how the overtime practices in Baltimore

1:03:42compared to those in other including

1:03:46regional jurisdictions?

1:03:48>> So, we did look a little bit into that,

1:03:50and um

1:03:52Baltimore City has a

1:03:54let's say more generous than other

1:03:57jurisdictions approach to um these H day

1:03:59cancellations.

1:04:01Um and that's the MOU that we have um

1:04:05gives officers more

1:04:08ability to have additional pay.

1:04:12But, I didn't do like an analysis of

1:04:13like quantity. Um money though it was

1:04:15more like a policy analysis to see what

1:04:17was allowed um in those other

1:04:18jurisdictions versus what's in Baltimore

1:04:20City.

1:04:20>> But, we are high compared to surrounding

1:04:22jurisdictions.

1:04:23>> More is allowed here than in others.

1:04:26>> Understood.

1:04:28Were there any indications of patterns

1:04:30of abuse regarding overtime approvals?

1:04:33>> So, our audit was not looking for fraud.

1:04:36We did look, as I mentioned in the

1:04:39reports, for the um

1:04:41performance section, and we did notice

1:04:43in the six quarterly reports that we had

1:04:45that there was common issues of um not

1:04:49following the policy, not documenting,

1:04:51and the um the five um

1:04:54highest earners there was common themes

1:04:56in there also. Um basically, what our

1:04:59finding was is that those were not being

1:05:01followed upon. They were not being um

1:05:03putting like um shoring up those

1:05:04controls around there.

1:05:05>> Mhm.

1:05:06>> Um but, getting to the level of digging

1:05:08into one specific police officer and

1:05:10following all through that, um that was

1:05:12not within the scope of our audit.

1:05:14>> Understood and appreciated given our

1:05:17city's history where we have in the past

1:05:20seen some pretty horrific incidents of

1:05:24abuse of overtime specific to this

1:05:26department. Do you think it's really

1:05:28important that we understand both the

1:05:31parameters and how gaps in our system

1:05:35can lead to bad outcomes. Um

1:05:40I mean it's just

1:05:41always important that everybody play by

1:05:43the same set of rules. Uh I I think with

1:05:47this each day

1:05:48issue, there are complexities here. Uh

1:05:51but also think it's it

1:05:54we should not be an outlier. We have to

1:05:56make sure uh we are spending every tax

1:06:00dollar extremely wisely.

1:06:03Other questions from the board. I know I

1:06:04have a few for police. Um yeah, okay.

1:06:08Heard. All right, well, thank you, Mr.

1:06:09Cash. Uh

1:06:11we I think are all going to have some

1:06:13questions for BPD. Uh with that, Mr.

1:06:15Smullian, come on up.

1:06:22>> Uh good morning, Mr. President, Mr.

1:06:23Comptroller, Mr. Mayor, honorable

1:06:25members of the board. Uh Andy Smullian,

1:06:27Deputy Chief, Baltimore Police

1:06:28Department. I am joined by my

1:06:30colleagues, Lieutenant Colonel Derek

1:06:32Loffler, and Director Paula Williams of

1:06:34the Fiscal Services Section. Uh and we

1:06:37are here to provide the BPD's response

1:06:39to uh the um the auditors' findings. Um

1:06:44Is the

1:06:45presentation up, Brian?

1:07:07>> Hey.

1:07:09>> Great.

1:07:10Uh first slide, please.

1:07:13Or next slide.

1:07:15Um so, I'm going to go through um a

1:07:17little bit of background, but uh

1:07:19the auditor has um Mr. Pasch has

1:07:21provided a sufficient background, so a

1:07:23lot of this is going to be redundant, so

1:07:24I apologize in advance. But, um what is

1:07:26an H day? As we've discussed, an H day

1:07:28is a scheduled day off. It is

1:07:30specifically defined in the MOU, and

1:07:32these are effectively the officers'

1:07:34weekends, even if they don't actually

1:07:35fall on a weekend itself.

1:07:38Um why do we cancel uh an H day? Uh for

1:07:41operational need. Typically, as we

1:07:44mentioned, we mentioned special events,

1:07:45but uh they also will apply to critical

1:07:48incidents. Um

1:07:49this also

1:07:51mainly uh for a SWAT incidents,

1:07:53barricades, uh extreme risk protective

1:07:56orders, things like that um that the

1:07:58department is unable to staff through

1:07:59the officers that are scheduled to work

1:08:01that day or to find volunteers um who

1:08:04can work when they're not scheduled.

1:08:06What are the implications of uh

1:08:08canceling an H day? Well, as you heard,

1:08:10it's very costly. Um per the MOU, an

1:08:12officer whose H day is canceled is

1:08:15entitled to the canceled day back, which

1:08:16is 8 and 1/2 hours, and penalty pay of

1:08:19between 4 and 6 hours, depending on when

1:08:22they were notified. Um

1:08:24uh but, in addition to the cost, it's

1:08:26not just the the cost itself, not just

1:08:28the dollars. It also affects our

1:08:30officers' quality of life um and in turn

1:08:32the morale of the department. And so,

1:08:35given these two very high costs, um we

1:08:38only cancel H days as a last resort and

1:08:41never as a first one. We will always go

1:08:43and try to find volunteers to fill these

1:08:46roles. Um uh we will go to other

1:08:49agencies, be it a sheriff or school

1:08:51police. Um we even will sometimes enlist

1:08:54trainees sometimes to um uh assist um in

1:08:58in in helping staff what we need to

1:09:00staff. But, when all of those options

1:09:02are exhausted, then we will really have

1:09:05no choice but to cancel an H day in

1:09:07order to balance public safety needs.

1:09:10Is this a common practice as we've gone

1:09:13through?

1:09:14It's actually is a common practice among

1:09:16major departments and in big cities.

1:09:19However, the terms, as you've heard,

1:09:21whether of notice, of circumstance, of

1:09:23penalty can vary from department to

1:09:25department.

1:09:27The current H day cancellation

1:09:29provisions date back to 2016, but there

1:09:32have been iterations of this for many

1:09:34years prior to that.

1:09:37You've heard about the term of

1:09:39commissioner day. What is a commissioner

1:09:40day? As Mr. Pash explained, commissioner

1:09:42day is those are days that refer to

1:09:46provisions in the MOU in which the

1:09:49commissioner designates five days where

1:09:51we know we're going to need a lot of

1:09:53officers. Think most recently the

1:09:54marathon

1:09:56in which basically if you have a day off

1:09:59on that day, you are given notice that

1:10:02you must work on that day and you will

1:10:04work without penalty.

1:10:05So, that will certainly save the city

1:10:10funds when we know that there's a big

1:10:12event and it also gives the officer the

1:10:13kind of notice well in advance that they

1:10:15need in order to plan their lives

1:10:17around. We actually publish these days

1:10:20at the end of the calendar year for the

1:10:21next calendar year.

1:10:24Next slide, please.

1:10:25We've given you

1:10:27a workday audit trail. This was just an

1:10:31individual that we pulled at random so

1:10:35we can just kind of show you and

1:10:36illustrate kind of what the what the

1:10:38issue is. The first one is the 4-hour

1:10:40time block, the penalty, and the next

1:10:43one is the 8 and 1/2 hour day back. As

1:10:45you can see on the right, I've

1:10:46highlighted the box in green. It all

1:10:48starts with the supervisor. In this

1:10:51instance, it's a sergeant. And just the

1:10:53control that we have

1:10:55to show that, you know, an officer just

1:10:57can't just cancel his HDA and the

1:10:59sergeant can really only do it with the

1:11:01approval of his commander. But, on the

1:11:03left-hand side, this is where the sort

1:11:04of the problems, I think, uh, start or

1:11:07begin is, uh, the box, uh,

1:11:10in red is the time entry code and that

1:11:13is additional hours. Problem with the

1:11:15additional hours is that it can mean

1:11:16several things. It can mean the 4-hour

1:11:18time block. It can mean the 8 and 1/2

1:11:20hour time block. It can mean the 2-hour,

1:11:23lack of notice provision. It can also

1:11:25mean on holidays, on on,

1:11:29Thanksgiving and and Christmas and New

1:11:31Years,

1:11:32there's a 4-hour penalty or 4-hour

1:11:35provision in there for working on those

1:11:37holidays. So, it can get,

1:11:40it it can mean several things and it's

1:11:42not specific. And then if you look at

1:11:44that blue box there where it says time

1:11:46block comment,

1:11:48another one of the the sort of the

1:11:50auditor's observations, it says canceled

1:11:53HD. It's not really giving you a lot of,

1:11:56information right then and there.

1:11:59What's not shown on here is that there's

1:12:01an,

1:12:03anyone who uses work days knows that

1:12:05there's a

1:12:06an ability to upload a document for

1:12:08supporting documentation

1:12:11and that that just is a rarely done

1:12:14where we are uploading a memo from the

1:12:17commissioner the chief of patrol

1:12:18basically sitting there saying there was

1:12:20a a barricade or whatever and we needed

1:12:24six people from SWAT and so we had to go

1:12:26and cancel their HD

1:12:28and we did it, you know, at last minute.

1:12:31Next slide, same thing. It's the 8 and

1:12:331/2 hour time block. Although as you can

1:12:34see,

1:12:36at the bottom there, they give a little

1:12:37bit more description. They sit there and

1:12:39say they canceled the HD because they

1:12:40were activating the Artscape EOC

1:12:43activation.

1:12:44So,

1:12:45that this was the same person,

1:12:48but they did it in one, they just didn't

1:12:49really do it in the other.

1:12:52So, next slide, let's get to the actual

1:12:54um

1:12:55responses. Um,

1:12:57uh so finding one about the lack of

1:12:59substantiation of HDA cancellation

1:13:01approvals in the last three fiscal

1:13:02years, um the auditor had recommended uh

1:13:05that we consistently attach leadership

1:13:07notifications in Workday and uh document

1:13:10the reasons for the HDA cancellations.

1:13:12Uh

1:13:12BPD's response is that we agree um and

1:13:15we will um retrain on our current SOPs

1:13:18and update our SOPs um and train on

1:13:20those to make sure that they are

1:13:22providing the sufficient comments in the

1:13:24comment section and uploading the the

1:13:27the specific documentation um that can

1:13:30enhance the audit trail um and we will

1:13:32work with configuration team. This is

1:13:34actually um for the next um uh uh

1:13:37recommendation as well um to um make

1:13:41sure that uh the supporting

1:13:44documentation is being able to be

1:13:46reviewed by um the time reviewers, by

1:13:49the people who work for Ms. Williams cuz

1:13:51right now you can attach the document

1:13:53and the reviewers will not be able to

1:13:55see the document itself even though that

1:13:57not many people are attaching a

1:13:59document.

1:14:00Uh next slide, please.

1:14:03Finding two um BPD overpaid additional

1:14:06hours to uh due to insufficient controls

1:14:09over HDA cancellation approvals and

1:14:11payments.

1:14:12Um so the auditor recommends that the

1:14:14performance standards section, which is

1:14:15our audit wing um formalize the

1:14:18quarterly reports by including

1:14:19management responses responses and

1:14:20action plans that will address the

1:14:21findings and recommendations and then uh

1:14:24give access to reviewers to be able to

1:14:26validate HDA cancellation requests and

1:14:28approvals. So uh yes, um BPD's um

1:14:31performance and section will include the

1:14:33management responses and action plans

1:14:35moving forward um and as I just

1:14:37mentioned um we will work with the

1:14:39city's Workday configuration team to

1:14:41allow reviewers to to view those

1:14:43attachments. Um over the last fiscal

1:14:45years as the auditor noted, um BPD

1:14:48overpaid um $36,000 to officers due to

1:14:51human or computer error.

1:14:55As a percentage, you know, you're

1:14:56dealing with a fraction of a percent of

1:14:58the error, but as a percentage that's

1:15:01really sort of irrelevant. As Mr.

1:15:04President, you mentioned look, every

1:15:05dollar is important. That number should

1:15:08be zero.

1:15:09And

1:15:11we believe that with some of these

1:15:12changes and controls that we're putting

1:15:14in place that we'll get that to zero.

1:15:17And of course BPD will seek recoupment

1:15:19of the overpaid funds.

1:15:22Finding three, next slide.

1:15:25Workday has limited validation checks to

1:15:28prevent BPD from processing unallowable

1:15:30payments. So, the auditors recommend

1:15:33that we designate work tags

1:15:36and edit checks to prevent this.

1:15:38And BPD agrees and we've already been in

1:15:41contact with BC B set and the

1:15:43configuration team

1:15:45to make these changes.

1:15:47And so, we think that that will be a

1:15:49great assistance.

1:15:50The next finding, finding four, the last

1:15:53finding

1:15:54is regarding

1:15:56the actual HDA cancellation process in

1:15:59itself from the MOU and recommending

1:16:01that the administration, the police

1:16:02commissioner

1:16:04in the next round of negotiations either

1:16:06increase the number of commissioner days

1:16:09to

1:16:10or assign commissioner days really by

1:16:13person rather than department wide. And

1:16:14so, we agree

1:16:17and I would note that

1:16:19you know, this is something that we've

1:16:20actually brought to the bargaining table

1:16:22probably in at least the last two or or

1:16:23three of the last three bargaining

1:16:26sessions and we've just been unable to

1:16:28come to agreement. It's not something we

1:16:30can do unilaterally. We've attempted,

1:16:32we've even I think had a an arbitrator

1:16:36say to us that he wasn't terribly in

1:16:39favor of one of our proposals. So, not

1:16:42it's I think we mark this under sort of

1:16:44kind of easier said than done, but we

1:16:46are we very much would like to see a

1:16:48change. We're committed to it and we

1:16:50will put it in the next bargaining round

1:16:52and and see what comes of it.

1:16:54My last slide that I would like to

1:16:57just show you.

1:16:58First of all, I would it is important to

1:17:00note

1:17:01that when our biennial audit came up,

1:17:05the auditors came to us and said, "What

1:17:06would you like to focus on?" And the

1:17:08police commissioner basically said he

1:17:09would like to focus on H days because

1:17:11he's committed. He wants to go and and

1:17:14limit this as much as possible. He

1:17:16doesn't like to cancel anyone's days

1:17:19for the reasons that we already

1:17:20mentioned. And so I think it's really

1:17:21kind of a testament to the collaboration

1:17:23that we have that we view this as a

1:17:24collaborative relationship so that we

1:17:26can improve rather than an adversarial

1:17:28one. But also I would like to illustrate

1:17:31these figures is that we're sort of

1:17:32trending in the right direction about

1:17:34how we're using this that from FY26

1:17:38over FY25 we're down 38% of these kind

1:17:42of canceled days.

1:17:43It's it's a reduction of about going

1:17:46from about 3 million to about 1.7

1:17:48million that we're using. And that's

1:17:50because, you know, we're putting the

1:17:52controls in there and giving the proper

1:17:54oversight and then we really hope that

1:17:56with these recommendations that we can

1:17:57make even further progress. But as I

1:17:59mentioned, you know, given the needs for

1:18:01public safety whether it's for a special

1:18:03event or for,

1:18:05you know, a critical incident like a

1:18:07barricade or an Erpo or whatever, you

1:18:10know, we're going to go and

1:18:11unfortunately have to cancel those.

1:18:13Sorry.

1:18:14And I'm

1:18:16open to any questions that you may have.

1:18:19>> Thank you, Mr. Smollin.

1:18:20As I said, the council under my

1:18:23leadership has been deeply concerned

1:18:25about overtime spending at your

1:18:27department. Can you tell us how the

1:18:29BPD's overtime pay practices compare to

1:18:31those in comparable sized police

1:18:34departments? Same question I was asking

1:18:36the auditor.

1:18:37Um

1:18:38Uh when you mean practices, I I'm I'm

1:18:41not I'm not sure what you mean. So, I

1:18:42think that it's it's a little hard to

1:18:45compare us whether it be to a

1:18:46surrounding jurisdiction.

1:18:48Um you need to compare us to other major

1:18:50cities, but not just other major cities,

1:18:52uh other major cities with the staffing

1:18:54shortages that we have.

1:18:57Um you

1:18:57>> I think most major cities have staffing

1:19:00shortages. I I don't think that is a

1:19:02unique phenomenon to the city of

1:19:04Baltimore.

1:19:05>> Certainly not. Whether they have the

1:19:06degree of, you know, that we're now down

1:19:0920%, but when you when you're down 20%

1:19:12of what your budget are, you're going to

1:19:13go and spend more over time. That's just

1:19:15what's going to happen. When we're fully

1:19:17staffed department of of of 3,000, you

1:19:21know, a decade ago, 15 years ago, you

1:19:23know, I don't know that you're seeing

1:19:25the kind of overtime spend that perhaps

1:19:27that you're seeing today.

1:19:29Um

1:19:29and also not just the overtime spend, um

1:19:32but also crime profiles. Um what are our

1:19:35calls for service like? What are what is

1:19:37our violent crime like? You know, we're

1:19:39unfortunately um outliers in that even

1:19:41though we've just made incredible

1:19:43strides um kind of across the board. Um

1:19:46but um

1:19:48uh major city police departments are

1:19:49going to have special events. They are

1:19:51going to have um

1:19:53uh

1:19:54you know, uh critical incidents probably

1:19:56more so than, you know, a suburban

1:19:58jurisdiction would. And given these

1:20:00needs, um that's

1:20:02you know, it it's going to necessitate

1:20:05being a cancel age day or increased

1:20:07overtime because when an when an event

1:20:10happens, we, you know, we got to be

1:20:11there and we can't sit there and say,

1:20:13"Sorry, we don't have the people to to

1:20:14cover it."

1:20:16>> Yeah, I understood. I'm just going to

1:20:18note uh

1:20:19was recently in Texas with a number of

1:20:21my counterparts from

1:20:23similar

1:20:25mid-large cities across the country,

1:20:28city council presidents, and this

1:20:30phenomenon of police shortages is

1:20:33literally every single city there. Um

1:20:37you know, I think the reality is that

1:20:39just less folks

1:20:41want to be

1:20:42>> Yeah.

1:20:42>> urban police officers than they did some

1:20:45decades ago. And so

1:20:47it

1:20:48fully understand the shortages. I know

1:20:50this came up at the consent decree

1:20:52hearing relatively recently.

1:20:54Uh but I do think at some point

1:20:57we we have to right-size. We have to

1:20:59acknowledge where we are, where the

1:21:01country is. That doesn't mean we

1:21:03shouldn't be aggressively recruiting.

1:21:05That doesn't mean we shouldn't be

1:21:07working certainly with our local

1:21:10schools, our infrastructure that we have

1:21:12here in Baltimore. The mayor and I have

1:21:14talked a lot about pipelines into public

1:21:16service agencies. I think it's all

1:21:18incredibly important. But at some point

1:21:21just to continue to say we have a 20%

1:21:24gap, we have X amount of officers short,

1:21:26like

1:21:27you know, at what point

1:21:29do we reset the conversation and say

1:21:31this is where it is. We we need to do

1:21:34better on the recruitment and retention,

1:21:35but we also can't have

1:21:39can't operate in a paradigm that is no

1:21:43longer reality, which is policing of

1:21:4630 plus years ago where just more folks

1:21:50wanted to sign up.

1:21:52Um

1:21:52just going to

1:21:54park that there for a while.

1:21:56I understand that when

1:21:58an H day is canceled, an officer could

1:22:00reschedule it rather than take the extra

1:22:02pay. Is that right? And how many

1:22:05officers elect to reschedule

1:22:07um if possible their canceled H days

1:22:10rather than just taking the extra pay. I

1:22:12get that right?

1:22:13>> Yeah, I don't know um a percentage. And

1:22:16and really I think that it is the

1:22:17ability to allow them to go and take the

1:22:20day. So what you have to understand is

1:22:22that um especially in patrol, those days

1:22:25you have to give them the same day that

1:22:26you took, but their days are constantly

1:22:28moving because they're five on, two two

1:22:31off, five on, or four on, three off,

1:22:34right?

1:22:34>> Five two

1:22:35>> Five four three sorry pardon me.

1:22:37And so

1:22:38our ability to do that

1:22:41and and you have to allow them to do it

1:22:42within the 28-day period. So so the

1:22:45schedule is constantly shifting

1:22:47and our ability to actually allow them

1:22:49to do that under the current schedule

1:22:50unless they're 9:00 to 5:00 days a week

1:22:52and they're 9:00 to 5:00 becomes hard.

1:22:54But even if they are 9:00 to 5:00, I'm

1:22:56sorry, Monday through Friday 9:00 to

1:22:585:00.

1:22:59Even if they are

1:23:01on a regular schedule where their

1:23:03weekends are not shifting, you know, you

1:23:05have to

1:23:06account for if they're not there, then

1:23:09who do you have there? If you give them

1:23:12the day off, what means is that you have

1:23:14to go pay overtime to somebody else in

1:23:16order to cover that shift. So it becomes

1:23:19restrictive in our ability to allow them

1:23:22to go and take to replace the day as

1:23:25opposed to just pay them out.

1:23:28>> What steps are you taking perhaps in

1:23:31conjunction with HR or BCIT to tighten

1:23:34work day controls including to require

1:23:36the submission of supporting

1:23:38documentation

1:23:39when each day overtime is paid out?

1:23:42>> As soon as the

1:23:44audit came out, CAO convened a meeting

1:23:47ourselves, the labor commissioner, BCIT,

1:23:51I believe the HR director, and so we've

1:23:53begun those conversations and I think we

1:23:55have a meeting set up with the

1:23:56configuration team

1:23:58today or tomorrow, I think tomorrow.

1:24:03>> Okay, can you articulate a little bit

1:24:06more?

1:24:07>> I don't know what goes in

1:24:09Paula you what is

1:24:10>> Um so one of the things that we have

1:24:11been requesting again

1:24:13Uh sorry. One of the things again that

1:24:15we have been

1:24:16>> Apologies if you could just reintroduce

1:24:17yourself. That's fine.

1:24:18>> I'm sorry. Um I'm Paula Williams. I'm

1:24:20the director of fiscal services for

1:24:22Baltimore Police Department.

1:24:24>> Thank you.

1:24:25>> Um so, one of the things that we have

1:24:26been requesting, we have been requesting

1:24:28uh access for security role to view the

1:24:31attachments inside Workday. And so, my

1:24:34understanding is that this security

1:24:36role, it allows, you know, other

1:24:38documents to be viewed, and this is why

1:24:41we have been restricted. Um but also in

1:24:44the same

1:24:46uh a situ- in the situation that we are

1:24:48in, we need access to the security role

1:24:50because anything that goes into the time

1:24:52entry or the time card, it falls

1:24:55underneath of, you know, the payroll

1:24:57section, and we need to validate that

1:24:59that information is correct. Our meeting

1:25:01with B said, um I've already sent over a

1:25:03couple of emails. Um I want to set up at

1:25:06least at least additional five

1:25:08additional pay codes, which will

1:25:10segregate uh what the H days are

1:25:13actually for. Uh we do have time

1:25:16reviewers that are actually inside the

1:25:18units and at uh different locations that

1:25:21I would like to change the business

1:25:23process where they can help us to start

1:25:24to uh review uh the time entries a

1:25:27little aggressively. Um we won't we will

1:25:30not be uh touching any time in or time

1:25:34out, but anything that has to do with

1:25:36the comments or incorrect pay codes, um

1:25:40people are putting things in like, I

1:25:42don't know, 12 hours. We don't know what

1:25:4412 hours are for. So, our time

1:25:46reviewers, uh they will be able to talk

1:25:48to the supervisors to get them to

1:25:50separate, is this 8 and 1/2, is this 4

1:25:53hours? To really so we can start getting

1:25:55consistent in what we're seeing, and

1:25:58having those conversations will allow us

1:26:01to train our officers. Those

1:26:02conversations will allow us to train our

1:26:04supervisors, so it becomes natural to

1:26:07them on what they are actually inputting

1:26:09into the system. So, we do have time

1:26:11reviewers, but now we need to empower

1:26:13them to assist us, and that uh security

1:26:16code will help us um to ensure that

1:26:18those documents are attached. Um B-SET

1:26:20will help us uh with getting those pay

1:26:22codes set up. There are some additional

1:26:24reports that I do believe that we need

1:26:26to see to help us to easily be able to

1:26:28find out when there is something that

1:26:30just isn't looking right. So, uh those

1:26:32are the conversations that we would like

1:26:33to have with B-SET and hopefully, and I

1:26:35know that they will um help us.

1:26:39>> Understood.

1:26:41Um I'm going to pass to my colleagues. I

1:26:44may have some more for you all at the

1:26:46end. Um Mr. Mayor.

1:26:49>> Uh thank you. I guess my my first

1:26:51question is actually all for B-SET uh

1:26:54the other technical man. If we can um

1:26:58Can we can go back to this the the slide

1:27:00from the Workday slide, please?

1:27:13No, it's the screen shot of of of like

1:27:16the entries.

1:27:17>> It's the

1:27:18the third slide.

1:27:26>> It's so Director, I'm just thinking

1:27:29about this from a technical Workday kind

1:27:33of point of view from from this cuz the

1:27:35Council President hit a lot of my other

1:27:36points and I do have some others.

1:27:38What what is it going to take from a

1:27:41technological standpoint with you guys

1:27:44working with Workday to add more and not

1:27:46just for the capability, but how and

1:27:49work intensive is it going to be to

1:27:51actually add in the things necessary uh

1:27:53that we've been discussing today?

1:27:56>> Uh

1:27:57yes, sir. Um so, as we said, our our

1:27:59team is fully engaged on this. Adding

1:28:01pay codes is not terribly difficult, but

1:28:03we have to ensure that the process flow

1:28:05that uses those pay codes working with

1:28:07our our friends in finance so that we

1:28:09don't uh cause any disruptions in pay is

1:28:12is part of that? So, I would say it's,

1:28:13you know, probably 8-week effort just

1:28:16for the the pay codes. And then for an

1:28:18additional process flow, that's really

1:28:19working with our BPD colleagues to

1:28:21ensure that that

1:28:23uh when the process changes, as she

1:28:24said, the officers are trained,

1:28:26supervisors trained. So, while the

1:28:28technical piece might not be

1:28:29significant, the process piece behind it

1:28:32really is. So, that's why we give

1:28:34ourselves several months to ensure that

1:28:35the the the whole suite of changes is

1:28:38correct.

1:28:39>> So, I just So, I'm clear. But, this

1:28:42isn't We've had some things with work

1:28:43that will when them them actually adding

1:28:46something or needing to put something

1:28:48into the system isn't intensive as in

1:28:51your opinion in this instance.

1:28:52>> The pay code is not intensive, yes, sir.

1:28:54But, all the piece behind it is.

1:28:56>> Correct. And then for for you uh um uh

1:29:00Colonel, uh for the folks that have not

1:29:03been following the policy, have what

1:29:06administrative actions have been taken?

1:29:12>> Lieutenant Colonel Derek Lefler, um

1:29:14there hasn't been any administrative

1:29:15actions taken against the um any of the

1:29:18personnel. Um I think it's often times

1:29:21just the lack of documentation

1:29:23supporting the cancellation of H days.

1:29:25Um it's not that they're inappropriately

1:29:28canceling the days and allowing and

1:29:31having people work when they shouldn't.

1:29:33Um it's just kind of the validation

1:29:34piece that's missing. Um so, there's no

1:29:37We don't believe there's any misuse in

1:29:39the cancellation of the H days.

1:29:41>> And if we're putting Let me just ask the

1:29:43question a different way. So, you guys

1:29:44are going to be putting in new policy,

1:29:46right? And in the event that someone,

1:29:49let's just say, what what's the time

1:29:51frame we think, Director?

1:29:533 months. Let's just say in 4 months, or

1:29:56let's say for Artscape in in May of next

1:29:59year, someone puts in their H day gets

1:30:03time canceled, they don't put in the

1:30:05documentation after the policy has

1:30:07changed that they have to do that, will

1:30:09there be administrative action?

1:30:12>> We can refer them to PID for

1:30:14investigation to determine whether there

1:30:17was a violation of policy. Yes.

1:30:18>> Thank you very

1:30:20very much.

1:30:22Mr. President, I think one of the things

1:30:24is you brought up

1:30:25I think it's important for us to also

1:30:27just note

1:30:29um

1:30:30we all understand like you said

1:30:32how policing is in the country. We're

1:30:34down 20% for example. Our sister city

1:30:37just to the north of us, Philadelphia,

1:30:39is also down like 20%

1:30:42and I only know this obviously from

1:30:43talking with the mayor, but a few years

1:30:45ago they spent $300 million

1:30:48in overtime in what in one fiscal year.

1:30:52But to the the council president's point

1:30:55and we know especially the the

1:30:56controller and I how significantly

1:30:58reduced BPD's overtime is now what for

1:31:01what it used to be. So we want to again

1:31:03applaud the agency for making things go

1:31:06in the right direction and we obviously

1:31:08know that we have negotiating to do

1:31:10again around H days something that we

1:31:12will continue to do. But to your other

1:31:15point, Mr. President, I just want to

1:31:16remind everybody because the

1:31:19solicitor and I get asked this question

1:31:20a lot about why don't we just reset and

1:31:23say that our staffing then levels at

1:31:263,000. Well, we have to remind ourselves

1:31:28that we entered into a consent decree

1:31:31with the federal government that said we

1:31:34were going to staff at that model and we

1:31:37can't even have that conversation up

1:31:40until the day that they say we're no

1:31:42longer in said consent decree. But I

1:31:44will point out

1:31:45that we have seen some great things

1:31:47happening. When you look at the amount

1:31:49of police cadets that we have now that

1:31:51we finally last year for the first year

1:31:54at least since I've been in city

1:31:55government and that's a mighty long

1:31:57time, we did better on attrition. Right?

1:32:00We did not lose more people than we

1:32:02brought in. Uh we've made progress

1:32:04there, significant progress, but we have

1:32:06to keep going in in that way. My other

1:32:09question's about about the special

1:32:11events and and and uh Mrs. Mullen, you

1:32:14brought up a bunch of them uh because

1:32:17people talk about we talk about

1:32:19Artscape, AFRAM,

1:32:21you know, Ravens playoff games, not so

1:32:23much Orioles playoff games these these

1:32:25last few years. Uh but uh I think with

1:32:29>> Is it possible to address the technology

1:32:30issue before we move on to special

1:32:32events?

1:32:32>> Go ahead, man.

1:32:33>> Okay, thank you. So, I'm sorry. Um so, I

1:32:37I have lots of thoughts here. Um but

1:32:39I'll start with kind of the Workday and

1:32:40the technology piece that Director May

1:32:42talked about. And then I also just want

1:32:44to do some level setting here cuz I

1:32:46think everybody in this room uses

1:32:47Workday. Um so, uh one, I think you

1:32:51know, with the team has talked about uh

1:32:52and I, you know, convened the team

1:32:54around I had them walk me through

1:32:56Workday and exactly how they put in H

1:32:58days in Workday. Um and there are some

1:33:00obvious things that can be changed that

1:33:02the auditor pointed out that I

1:33:03immediately saw, which is changing

1:33:05additional time and instead of it saying

1:33:07additional time, you it should actually

1:33:08say canceled H day, right? Um just so

1:33:11that we can very clearly see and define

1:33:13exactly, you know, when an H day was

1:33:15canceled. So, those are the the the

1:33:17basic technical changes that we're

1:33:18making in the system. But here's the

1:33:20thing that I think is very important. I

1:33:22want to make sure everybody on the board

1:33:24is paying attention and hears me when I

1:33:25say this because this is not a BPD issue

1:33:28just a BPD issue. It is also a fire

1:33:31issue. We have very complicated MOUs and

1:33:34there was recently actually an Inspector

1:33:36General report around um fire as well.

1:33:40Um and it talked about um the some of

1:33:44the complications that we have. We have

1:33:46negotiated over time very complicated

1:33:50rules as it relates to overtime, as it

1:33:53relates to sick leave, um all of these

1:33:55things within our public safety

1:33:57agencies. And we are attempting to force

1:33:59fit our technology system, which is

1:34:01Workday, to account for very complicated

1:34:04things that we've negotiated in the

1:34:06MOUs, and it often times does not fit

1:34:09perfectly, right? Um so, we negotiated

1:34:11these things well before we actually had

1:34:13a technology system that could

1:34:15accommodate it. And what I've seen since

1:34:18I've been here,

1:34:19even prior to me being in this role, and

1:34:21to Director Mayott's point, when we move

1:34:24fast, when we go in and say, "Oh, just

1:34:26fix that. Just make Workday account for

1:34:28that." What happens is you have pay

1:34:30issues on the back end. So, when we talk

1:34:32about like the MOUs that we bring before

1:34:34the board, often times, you know, we're

1:34:36saying, "Hey, here's the agreement." But

1:34:39then we actually have to go through,

1:34:41configure, and test to make sure that we

1:34:43don't over pay someone. We saw the issue

1:34:46with the Sheriff's Office, for example,

1:34:47and also the overtime categorization in

1:34:51the Sheriff's Office, which ultimately

1:34:53then

1:34:54resulted in, you know, additional

1:34:56overage in the Sheriff's Office, right?

1:34:58So, we we've seen this. We have lessons

1:35:00learned here. And so, while we will go

1:35:03through and it may take six or eight

1:35:04weeks to make the configuration change

1:35:06in the physical drop downs, that's the

1:35:08easy part. It's the back end that we

1:35:10have to test and make sure is accurate

1:35:13because we don't want to be in a

1:35:15in a in a space where we're over paying

1:35:16people because payroll wasn't properly

1:35:19configured, that we weren't in a testing

1:35:21environment long enough to account for

1:35:23these things. So, I just want to level

1:35:25set with the board around not just this

1:35:28issue. We're going to definitely address

1:35:30this issue, but more broadly, we have

1:35:32very antiquated, in my view,

1:35:36practices that exist within some of our

1:35:38MOUs. It is not easy to change those

1:35:42practices. You have to buy them out,

1:35:44essentially. So, when we negotiate and

1:35:46when we're at the table, we can have a

1:35:49litany of things that that want, and if

1:35:51we don't get to agreement, often times

1:35:53we go to arbitration. We went to

1:35:54arbitration with fire, it didn't work.

1:35:56We didn't get the things that we were

1:35:58attempting to negotiate out. And so, as

1:36:01we prepare for negotiations, you know,

1:36:03we want to, you know, have conversations

1:36:05on the front end so that we can try to,

1:36:07you know, get to an amicable place with

1:36:09all of our unions. But essentially,

1:36:12that's how this works is you have to

1:36:15essentially pay for it to come out or to

1:36:18even make a attempt to make adjustments.

1:36:21So, I just want to make sure that we're

1:36:23clear here that it's not just something

1:36:25that is the city can unilaterally

1:36:28do. We have to get alignment with the

1:36:30unions, and then if we don't, we have to

1:36:32take it to arbitration, and then it's a

1:36:33third party that's making the decision

1:36:35for us. So, I just wanted to, you know,

1:36:37level set on those things, and happy to

1:36:38answer additional questions.

1:36:40>> No, and thank you, Madam Administrator.

1:36:42I just want to follow up to your point

1:36:45uh

1:36:45Mr. Smalley earlier about we know about

1:36:482016, but

1:36:49uh the

1:36:51remind me of how long some iteration of

1:36:55this these days have been in place.

1:36:57>> have to refer to our resident historian.

1:37:00>> That's funny.

1:37:00>> Um so, we've had some form of canceled H

1:37:03days my entire career.

1:37:04>> How many years do you have on now,

1:37:06Karen?

1:37:06>> Um I will be starting my 21st in about a

1:37:09month, so

1:37:10um the

1:37:13kind of the consequences of canceled H

1:37:14days have changed slightly over the

1:37:16years, but we have always had a canceled

1:37:18H day provision in the contract for my

1:37:20tenure,

1:37:21and I'm sure prior to me, too.

1:37:23>> The controller, you hear me say this a

1:37:24lot, the sins of our forefathers, but I

1:37:27will let that go for let that go for

1:37:30now.

1:37:31Um

1:37:34Thank you, sir. Uh

1:37:37Director Smalley,

1:37:39I just want to just go back to to my the

1:37:42other point that I was bringing up

1:37:44because we talk about

1:37:46holidays and especially events, but

1:37:48can you lay out just for the general

1:37:50public what are the some of the other

1:37:51things that we get H day cancellations

1:37:54for, and what typical kind of units

1:37:56outside of patrol they would be

1:37:58cancelled for the most?

1:37:59>> I did touch briefly on a couple of them.

1:38:01I mean, I mentioned the critical

1:38:02incidents that SWAT normally handles,

1:38:04like

1:38:05>> And what kind of issues do SWAT handle?

1:38:07>> like a barricade situation, um or um um

1:38:11an extreme risk protective order.

1:38:13Um and so, given the fact that you only

1:38:16have so many SWAT officers and their

1:38:18schedules, there are sometimes worse you

1:38:21don't have SWAT, you know, working on

1:38:23like a weekend uh or a particular day.

1:38:26And if you don't have those officers,

1:38:28you've got this these these high-risk

1:38:30situations, they get their they get

1:38:32their their their days off cancelled

1:38:34quite a bit.

1:38:35Um and I don't know if you want any

1:38:36others you want to add.

1:38:38>> No. Um so, SWAT is very common on the

1:38:40operational side because of the high

1:38:42risk of barricade and the number of

1:38:44personnel it takes to appropriate hand

1:38:46appropriately handle those incidents. Um

1:38:49I would say of any of the areas that are

1:38:52least impacted by cancelled H days is

1:38:53really the patrol division. It's kind of

1:38:55the area we really shy away from because

1:38:58of their schedule. Um and when it's uh

1:39:00related to special events, other than

1:39:02the commissioner days, obviously, they

1:39:03get their H days cancelled. Their

1:39:05weekends are less frequent than some

1:39:07units in the agency, so we do value um

1:39:11them having their weekends off when it's

1:39:13actually a Saturday and Sunday versus a

1:39:15Tuesday and Wednesday. Um so, we do try

1:39:17to limit the cancellation days to the

1:39:19patrol division. Um but, we will, you

1:39:22know, PID, for example, gets H days

1:39:24cancelled if we need personnel for

1:39:26Artscape or any of those events as well.

1:39:28So.

1:39:29>> Thank you.

1:39:32>> Councilmember

1:39:33In the interest of time, I'm going to

1:39:35cancel my comments and just say I look

1:39:37forward to working with the city

1:39:39administrator and the police department

1:39:41going forward to find other staffing

1:39:44solutions for big events. Can't help you

1:39:46with the critical incidents, but let's

1:39:48see what we can find for the big events.

1:39:50>> Yes, sir. We're all aboard.

1:39:52>> Yeah, and likewise, I will save future

1:39:55discussion. Um and I know, you know, we

1:39:58have pretty consistent budget hearings,

1:40:00and I will

1:40:01uh honor and respect the comments made

1:40:03by city administrator about the need to

1:40:05negotiate with our partners in labor.

1:40:08Also, honor and respect the mayor's

1:40:10comment about our consent decree. You

1:40:13know, I think this council has been very

1:40:15understanding and very

1:40:17uh

1:40:18just clear about expectations from the

1:40:21judge in our consent decree.

1:40:23Um and yet and still,

1:40:26we should still do better when it comes

1:40:28to things around each days, when it

1:40:30comes to

1:40:32uh just managing every single taxpayer

1:40:35dollar so that we can prove value to our

1:40:39residents. And while the mayor is right,

1:40:42we

1:40:44it is essential that we continue to make

1:40:47movement toward extricating ourselves

1:40:50from our consent decree, and that will

1:40:52require recruitment. I still think there

1:40:55are policies in the

1:40:57in in the midst, such as each days, that

1:41:00can be rethought and

1:41:03um thought of differently that do not

1:41:05hamper us from

1:41:07recruiting more, retaining more, but

1:41:10also being honest and acknowledging the

1:41:13state of policing not just in our city,

1:41:15but in our country

1:41:16um for similarly sized cities. That

1:41:19said, appreciate the audit, appreciate

1:41:22the response to the audit. This audit is

1:41:25noted.

1:41:27>> Thank you.

1:41:27>> I'm going to shift the order since we

1:41:29have a number of guests

1:41:31uh that have been waiting for one

1:41:33specific item and move to

1:41:37Thank you. SB26-13791

1:41:42BDC payment in lieu of taxes and profit

1:41:46sharing agreement Lexington JV LLC.

1:41:50Uh this is a request to approve a pilot

1:41:53payment in lieu of taxes and a profit

1:41:55sharing agreement with Lexington GP JV

1:41:59LLC for the North Quad building

1:42:02the first phase of the West Lexington

1:42:04Corridor redevelopment near the

1:42:05University of Maryland Baltimore. The

1:42:07agreement would abate 95% of the

1:42:09property's new taxes for 25 years

1:42:13on behalf of the BDC.

1:42:17We have

1:42:21Director Otis Rolley, Director the floor

1:42:25is yours.

1:42:28>> Good morning.

1:42:41Uh good morning Mr. President, um

1:42:43Controller, Mr. Mayor, uh and members of

1:42:46the board. I'm Otis Rolley, President

1:42:48and CEO of the Baltimore Development

1:42:49Corporation. Uh with me today in the

1:42:52presentation will be Jeremy Watson who

1:42:54is the uh Chief Senior VP and Chief Real

1:42:56Estate Officer for uh for BDC. We're

1:42:59here to ask you to approve a pilot

1:43:01agreement for the first phase of West

1:43:03Lexington project with the University of

1:43:06Maryland

1:43:07uh Baltimore and Wexford. In plain

1:43:09terms, it's a property tax deal that

1:43:11turns an empty parking lot and into

1:43:14graduate housing and shops. It also puts

1:43:16a tax-exempt piece of land on the city's

1:43:19tax rolls.

1:43:20If we go to the next slide.

1:43:23Uh

1:43:25How do we

1:43:30I'm sorry. How do I advance to the next

1:43:32slide?

1:43:34No, there we go. Thank you.

1:43:36Um this is the west side of downtown um

1:43:39along MLK Boulevard right at the edge of

1:43:41the UMB.

1:43:42Um what we're talking about is a piece

1:43:46of land in North Quad.

1:43:48Um

1:43:49it uh

1:43:51right now it's mostly a parking lot. UMB

1:43:54has a bigger plan for this whole

1:43:56corridor which covers the North Quad,

1:43:58the South Quad quad, and a welcome

1:44:00center in the blocks connecting to the

1:44:02BioPark. Today is just phase one and any

1:44:06later uh phases comes back to you on its

1:44:08own. Next slide, please.

1:44:11Uh PILOT as um as the honorable board is

1:44:15aware uh stands for payment in lieu of

1:44:17taxes. Here's how it works. Normally

1:44:19when someone puts up a new building, the

1:44:21property tax bill jumps right away. For

1:44:23a big project, that jump can be the

1:44:25difference between banks or investors

1:44:27saying yes or no. A PILOT spreads that

1:44:30jump out over time.

1:44:32The owner keeps paying full tax on what

1:44:34the land is worth today. We never touch

1:44:36that. The break only applies to the new

1:44:38value the building creates. The break

1:44:41can be up to 95% for up to 25 years, and

1:44:44after that, the owner pays the full tax

1:44:46bill like everyone else.

1:44:48The General Assembly gave the city this

1:44:49tool, the Downtown Rise PILOT, uh in

1:44:52April with SB 756 and the House Bill

1:44:561232. BDC's job is to make sure that it

1:44:58isn't handed out loosely. Every project

1:45:01has to prove it can't happen without the

1:45:04PILOT. An outside firm, MuniCap, and we

1:45:06have representatives of MuniCap in the

1:45:08audience today. Uh they check the

1:45:10developer's numbers as well. Every deal

1:45:13also comes with community built benefit

1:45:15standards uh which are shown at the

1:45:17bottom of the slide. 51% of permanent

1:45:20jobs are filled by city residents, 27 um

1:45:23percent minority owned, and 10% women

1:45:25owned business participation. 10% of the

1:45:27units set aside as affordable or or

1:45:30projects with 20 or more units.

1:45:32As you know, the BDC board votes first,

1:45:35uh then it comes to you. After that, we

1:45:36report progress every year to the city

1:45:38council and per the Downtown Rise uh

1:45:41legislation, we also have to do an

1:45:43annual report to uh to uh the assembly

1:45:45general assembly in Annapolis. Next

1:45:47slide, please.

1:45:49Phase one, this project this uh phase

1:45:51one has 404 apartments with 730 beds

1:45:55built for UMB graduate students. These

1:45:57are future nurses, pharmacists,

1:45:59dentists, social workers, and doctors

1:46:01who train here in in America's greatest

1:46:03city. On the ground floor, there's about

1:46:0616,000 square feet of shops. UMB leases

1:46:10all of it and rents it out to small

1:46:11local businesses. That way, the street

1:46:13level doesn't sit empty waiting for a

1:46:15national chain.

1:46:17This phase costs about 160 million in

1:46:19private money. Add UMB's 36 million in

1:46:22public infrastructure and the total

1:46:24program is about 196 million dollars.

1:46:27Construction starts in April 2007 and

1:46:30should be finishing in the fall of 2029.

1:46:33The land stays with UMB, the developer

1:46:35leases it for 99 years, so nothing is

1:46:37sold off. And right now, the site is

1:46:39valued at about 8.1 million. Once the

1:46:42building is up and stabilized, it will

1:46:43be worth about 127 million. The new

1:46:46value is what this agreement is about.

1:46:49The project supports more than 50 direct

1:46:51jobs and anywhere from 85 to 133

1:46:55indirect jobs.

1:46:56Next slide.

1:46:58The board should know um who we're doing

1:47:01business with uh today. Wexford isn't

1:47:03new here.

1:47:04Uh they built the UM uh BioPark right

1:47:07across MLK Boulevard. They've already a

1:47:09UMB ground lease see. They've spent 20

1:47:12years building next to universities and

1:47:14they have over 4 billion invested.

1:47:18GMH owns um Um, manages more than 90,000

1:47:22student beds across the country. Running

1:47:24student housing is what they do. Um,

1:47:26Graffito handles the retail and finds

1:47:29the right small tenants for the ground

1:47:31floor. Wexford and GMH have already done

1:47:33this kind of project together, um, UCity

1:47:36Square in Philadelphia, Ag- Aggie Square

1:47:39in Sacramento, and 195 District in

1:47:41Providence. So, the risk that this gets

1:47:43started and never finishes is

1:47:45exceptionally low.

1:47:47Um, BDC's Chief Real Estate Officer,

1:47:49Jeremy Watson, now will walk you through

1:47:51the numbers and why we're recommending

1:47:53this deal to you.

1:47:59>> All right.

1:48:01>> Thank you, Otis.

1:48:03So, we've tested this deal on four

1:48:05questions, which you see highlighted on

1:48:07your screen in the in the color boxes.

1:48:09Does the city come out ahead?

1:48:12Is this investment worth the break? And

1:48:14does it help the community?

1:48:16And then, does the project really need

1:48:18help?

1:48:19The answer, in short and plainest terms,

1:48:21is yes.

1:48:23Um, the terms are, as the Council

1:48:25President mentioned, um, the tax

1:48:26abatement covers 95% of the tax on the

1:48:29new building,

1:48:30never on the land's current values.

1:48:33The term would be 25 years, and if the

1:48:35project does better than planned,

1:48:37the city gets a share of the profit.

1:48:40Here's what that looks like in dollars.

1:48:42Over 25 years, the city gives up about

1:48:4580.6 million in taxes on a building that

1:48:48doesn't exist yet.

1:48:50Over that same time, the owner pays the

1:48:53city about 8.8 million dollars, and

1:48:55after year 25, the city collects full

1:48:57taxes of about 4.5 million every year.

1:49:01Next slide, please.

1:49:07One of the things that we want to make

1:49:08sure is underscored, uh, for this

1:49:10particular pilot, cuz they'll all be

1:49:12unique, they'll all be different. Um,

1:49:17but this is not a loss for the city.

1:49:19Um as we've

1:49:21discussed and worked on this, there's

1:49:23certainly um I think

1:49:27a narrative or a position that the city

1:49:29is losing money, but you can't lose what

1:49:31you don't have.

1:49:32Part of the pilot is to

1:49:33is to engender and to develop um

1:49:37projects and to encourage tax

1:49:39development. So, from this slide, what

1:49:41we want you to remember is that you

1:49:42can't lose buildings that don't You

1:49:44can't lose on taxes on buildings that

1:49:46don't exist. Without this deal,

1:49:49the building doesn't get built, and the

1:49:51city keeps collecting what it collects

1:49:53today, which is zero.

1:49:55So, with this deal, the city gets about

1:49:57182,000 a year in base tax from day one.

1:50:01It gets about 4.2 million more over 25

1:50:03years from the 5% of the new value that

1:50:06isn't abated.

1:50:08And then it gets an opportunity to get

1:50:09the full 4.56

1:50:11a year after that.

1:50:13And the neighborhood gets 160 million in

1:50:15private investment,

1:50:16404 homes, and jobs that come with them.

1:50:20No deal means zero. With this With this

1:50:23deal, the city has had from the first

1:50:25year.

1:50:29Next slide, please.

1:50:33This slide shows the same deal over

1:50:36time. The chart on the left is the tax

1:50:38bill year by year.

1:50:40The base tax of about 182 is locked in

1:50:42from day one. That's what you see in the

1:50:44in the gray box on the bottom.

1:50:46The 5% of the new tax that isn't abated

1:50:48as as the blue box just above that.

1:50:51And then after year 25, the building

1:50:53pays the full bill. That's the blue bar

1:50:55um on the on the left

1:50:57or on your right.

1:51:02The property value grows from about 8

1:51:03million today to about two more to more

1:51:05than 200 million. That's about 25 25

1:51:07times the base tax.

1:51:09The chart on the right is the trade or

1:51:12the exchange. The city sets aside

1:51:1480.6 million in future taxes. In return,

1:51:17we get 196 million in private invested

1:51:20in this block.

1:51:22160 million in private money

1:51:24and 36 million from the University of

1:51:26Maryland for public infrastructure,

1:51:27streets, and utilities.

1:51:29That's 2.43 invested

1:51:31for every dollar of the tax break.

1:51:35I have a

1:51:36a quick tangent. I know we're short on

1:51:38time, but one of my favorite show is

1:51:40Shark Tank and one of my favorite sharks

1:51:43is Kevin O'Leary. He has this quote that

1:51:46says, "My money is my military. I send

1:51:50it out every dollar that capture and

1:51:51bring back more more soldiers." If you

1:51:54look at this for our abatement, we're

1:51:56sending it out and we're bringing back

1:51:582.43 soldiers back with us.

1:52:01That's a That's a That's a fair deal.

1:52:04He's slide next slide, please.

1:52:09What it will gets

1:52:11Right now, this is a big parking lot

1:52:14and some underutilized land. At night,

1:52:16it's dark and nobody's around. This

1:52:18project puts lit busy buildings there

1:52:20with people living upstairs and shops at

1:52:23the street level.

1:52:25People who are around paying attention

1:52:27are what make a block feel safe and what

1:52:29make a block feel alive.

1:52:31There's a 16,000 square foot community

1:52:33building,

1:52:34a fully redone plus a new outdoor

1:52:35recreation area, and both are open to

1:52:37neighbors, not just students.

1:52:40Um a yearly

1:52:42on a yearly free

1:52:43uh

1:52:44on a yearly fee from the property pays

1:52:45for the programs going on in them.

1:52:48This project reuses it about 600

1:52:49existing parking spaces

1:52:51instead of building a new garage, and

1:52:53UMB is putting in about 36 million into

1:52:56the street sidewalks and utilities

1:52:58around it.

1:52:59As Otis already mentioned, 10% of the

1:53:01units are set aside for affordable

1:53:03housing.

1:53:04This project lines up with all six of

1:53:07Mayor Scott's action plans.

1:53:09And it has already been through the

1:53:10university systems Board of Regents, the

1:53:12State Board of Public Works, and the

1:53:14city's UDAP and site plan review.

1:53:17Next slide, please.

1:53:22So, we built in protection for the city

1:53:24in case this deal turns out

1:53:26uh better than anyone expects.

1:53:29Um

1:53:30my colleague JJ described this

1:53:31yesterday, which I like this sprinkles

1:53:33on top of the ice cream. And so, if the

1:53:35deal's already doing good, we're already

1:53:37in in the money. If we get profit share,

1:53:39we get little sprinkles on top of our

1:53:40ice cream.

1:53:41Um on the developers' own projections,

1:53:43they earn about a 17.8% return. If they

1:53:46clear 20%, that's when we get our

1:53:49sprinkles. The city gets 18 cents on

1:53:52every dollar above that line.

1:53:55To be straight with you, that isn't the

1:53:57base case.

1:53:59It only kicks in if the property sells

1:54:00for about 7% more than projected or

1:54:03sells earlier at a strong price.

1:54:05For example, a $200 million sale would

1:54:08send about 1 million to the city.

1:54:10We don't count that money in our

1:54:11numbers. It's a it's but it's a

1:54:13guardrail.

1:54:14And if this becomes a windfall,

1:54:15Baltimore shares in it.

1:54:17Next slide, please.

1:54:22And so, this is this is the key right

1:54:23here.

1:54:25All these we talked about before, the

1:54:27fiscal benefits, the community benefits,

1:54:30all that's well and good, but if the

1:54:31project doesn't actually need the pilot,

1:54:33if it doesn't have a demonstrated

1:54:34financial need, then it doesn't make

1:54:35sense.

1:54:36So, this is the moment this is the most

1:54:38important test and the law requires it.

1:54:40Without the pilot, the project earns

1:54:42about a 5.13%

1:54:44year-on-year year on cost.

1:54:47Without the pilot, the project earns

1:54:485.13%

1:54:50a year on what it cost to build.

1:54:52Lenders and investors need about 6.75

1:54:55just to make it interesting for a

1:54:56project like this. Just to just to hit

1:54:58the the required returns. So, that's a

1:55:00gap of more than a point and a half.

1:55:03At 5.13, the money doesn't show up

1:55:06and the building doesn't get built.

1:55:08So, we then asked how big a break would

1:55:11it take to close that gap and nothing

1:55:13more.

1:55:14MuniCap's answer was about 38.4 million

1:55:17in today's dollars and the developer

1:55:20asked for 38.8,

1:55:22which is within about 1%.

1:55:25So, with the pilot, the return comes out

1:55:27to 6.78%.

1:55:29That's 300 of a point above the line.

1:55:31There's no padding in this deal. It's

1:55:33the minimum it takes to get it built.

1:55:37Next slide, please.

1:55:40That's our recommendation.

1:55:45A 95 tax break on new value

1:55:47for 25 years

1:55:49with an 18% city share of profit above a

1:55:5220% return.

1:55:54To sum it up, the site pays zero today.

1:55:56The deal puts it on the tax rolls from

1:55:58day one and brings 196 million of

1:56:00investment. It builds 404 homes and an

1:56:03active block with jobs that pay well

1:56:05above the living wage.

1:56:07After 25 years, it pays the city about

1:56:094.5 million a year and the city shares

1:56:11in any windfall.

1:56:13Our analysis and MuniCap's both show it

1:56:15can't happen without the pilot.

1:56:18And the pilot is no bigger than it needs

1:56:19to be.

1:56:21In closing,

1:56:24I like to state that Councilman

1:56:25Blanchard, whose district this is,

1:56:27supports the project as well as the

1:56:29senator and delegates of the 40th

1:56:31District. We ask that you approve it and

1:56:33we're happy to take your questions.

1:56:35Thank you.

1:56:37>> Thank you. Uh my mother-in-law also

1:56:40loves Shark Tank. So,

1:56:43you spent a lot of time watching it over

1:56:46these years.

1:56:47Uh

1:56:49that said,

1:56:50the

1:56:52city would collect about 9 million and

1:56:55forgo about 81 million in taxes over the

1:56:59life of this pilot. And the profit share

1:57:01applies once the developer earns more

1:57:04than a 20% return.

1:57:06How likely is it that the city

1:57:10in in your estimate and analysis will

1:57:14see this profit sharing payment? Um

1:57:20>> I think um the way I would phrase it is

1:57:23um I think it's a low probability.

1:57:26Um the profit share should be viewed

1:57:29um

1:57:30less as an entitlement and as an

1:57:32opportunity. And so as a as our

1:57:35um as a as the the tool of the pilot our

1:57:39goal is to engender and encourage the

1:57:42development ideally to produce jobs,

1:57:45housing, and other economic uh benefits

1:57:48of the city.

1:57:50Fiscal impact and if there's an

1:57:51opportunity for profit share

1:57:54that's where we that's where we step in.

1:57:56I think

1:57:57one point of

1:58:00position to kind of clear up.

1:58:03In today's market

1:58:05um

1:58:06development types of this project need

1:58:08to earn in that in the high teens even

1:58:10just to attract um institutional

1:58:12capital.

1:58:14For a project of of this nature that

1:58:17means hard money going into the project.

1:58:20Um when I while our abatement is an

1:58:23incentive and a tool it's not the same

1:58:25as putting dollars in and so we can't we

1:58:28should not have an expectation to

1:58:30participate at the same level as

1:58:33investors that are putting dollars in

1:58:34and so there in my position there should

1:58:36be a slight premium. Um our ability to

1:58:39get to that premium though is is a is a

1:58:41low probability.

1:58:44>> Understood.

1:58:45I I'll just say since this is the first

1:58:48of what I believe will be a series of

1:58:51pilots

1:58:52>> Hopefully. Hopefully.

1:58:53>> coming before this Board of Estimates.

1:58:56Um I do want to share Uh

1:58:59I I I am a big believer in the

1:59:02University of Maryland having housing,

1:59:05having students, having faculty living

1:59:08downtown. I think that is a really

1:59:10important and powerful prospect for our

1:59:13city. I think that

1:59:16when I've

1:59:17worked with folks at the law school or

1:59:20at the social work school, I have often

1:59:22wondered

1:59:24why we don't have housing that is really

1:59:28that would make it walkable for them to

1:59:30get to school, get to campus.

1:59:33I think doing this kind of development

1:59:37for a city that is so enriched by our

1:59:42meds, our eds um

1:59:44makes all the sense in the world. I hate

1:59:47the idea of how many

1:59:49of the young people that go to law

1:59:52school at UMD then commute in from some

1:59:54other place um and commute out. Uh and

1:59:58so I very much see the vision and have

2:00:01appreciated in the hard work that the

2:00:03University of Maryland uh and the BDC

2:00:07and the city and I think all of us on

2:00:09this board have done uh to

2:00:12get to a place where that there is

2:00:15forward movement. Um we have got to

2:00:18populate Center West downtown. We have

2:00:20got to make sure there are feet on the

2:00:23street. We have got to make sure we have

2:00:25places for students, faculty, et cetera

2:00:28to go. And

2:00:31the deal has to be right. Uh

2:00:33and Kevin and Mark Cuban and all those

2:00:36other guys and women

2:00:39uh would be very disappointed if this

2:00:41board was not uh

2:00:43pushing and scrutinizing and And is

2:00:45actually exactly what we were doing up

2:00:47until and apologies to the crowd here 15

2:00:49minutes late for this Board of Estimates

2:00:52wanting to make sure that this truly

2:00:54works not just for UMD but for the city

2:00:57as well and our long-term interests.

2:01:01I think it's going to be very important

2:01:03for each of these pilot deals that come

2:01:04before the board that we all are tough

2:01:09and tight fiscal stewards of the

2:01:11taxpayers dollar as one of our

2:01:13protesters will remind us the city of

2:01:15Baltimore has a mixed track record when

2:01:18it comes to how we have done tax

2:01:21incentives

2:01:23for large-scale developments and I know

2:01:25for the three of us sitting here

2:01:29we talked about our forefathers and we

2:01:31talked about sins of the ancestors and

2:01:33whatnot. I I I really do think as we

2:01:37want our kids and our the future mayor,

2:01:40president, and comptroller to look back

2:01:43on us it's going to be really important

2:01:45that we get this deal right and that we

2:01:47get any pilot deal that comes before

2:01:50this board right. So I'm going to yield

2:01:54to the comptroller

2:01:56but do appreciate the ongoing

2:01:59conversation

2:02:01that we all have been having

2:02:04that has brought us here today.

2:02:08>> Thank you Mr. President. Um I'm not sure

2:02:10actually you need to yield to me for the

2:02:12BDC unless

2:02:14uh is is University of Maryland going to

2:02:16come up and speak themselves? Like I

2:02:18I'll I'll hold my comments for

2:02:20University of Maryland.

2:02:21>> Understood with that. Is mayor you good

2:02:23or you want?

2:02:24>> I just got a quick thing.

2:02:27I thought we were going to do the

2:02:28protest.

2:02:29>> We

2:02:29>> Oh

2:02:30>> We We're going to let the mayor and then

2:02:32protest will come on up and then we'll

2:02:34have University of Maryland.

2:02:36>> Thank you thank you Mr. President. Thank

2:02:38you thank you both both gentlemen. I

2:02:40just want to

2:02:42be very clear just so we say it again.

2:02:44So,

2:02:45for but for So, right now we get

2:02:47nothing.

2:02:48>> Correct.

2:02:48>> we don't do the pilot, we continue to

2:02:50get nothing.

2:02:51>> Correct.

2:02:52>> Uh and we will automatically day one get

2:02:55something once we just want to be sure

2:02:57sure with that. And then to the question

2:02:59about the the profit statement, Mr.

2:03:01President, I think

2:03:03we've seen

2:03:04I think this is a very important thing

2:03:06for us to do. You talked about tens of

2:03:09the artists not even thinking about it

2:03:11with full force, but we have in the

2:03:13history seen some projects that the city

2:03:15gave incentive to do extremely above

2:03:18what they thought. And the city did not

2:03:21have this kind of thing in place so that

2:03:23we are not reaping that kind of benefit.

2:03:26So, I just wanted to make sure

2:03:28that we we we highlight that because if

2:03:30you think about things like, you know,

2:03:33Marriott Hotel in in Harbor East and

2:03:35others that outperformed what they

2:03:38originally thought it was going to be,

2:03:39it would it now we can look back at on

2:03:41it as a missed opportunity. But, we now

2:03:44have the foresight to put that kind of

2:03:46protection in place

2:03:47hoping that it actually does happen. I

2:03:49think all of us would be very happy if

2:03:51it actually over performed. So, those

2:03:53are my two. Thank you.

2:03:55>> Thanks, Mayor.

2:03:57Okay.

2:03:58With that

2:03:59>> I'm sorry.

2:04:01>> Do I have to roll you?

2:04:01>> I was just going to introduce the bring

2:04:03them up or not?

2:04:03>> You were going to do the protest.

2:04:04>> Now we're going to do the protest and

2:04:05then we will bring up UMD.

2:04:09All right.

2:04:10>> Thank you, gentlemen.

2:04:13>> All right.

2:04:14Next, we will note that the board

2:04:16received a statement of opposition from

2:04:18Joan Jacobson on behalf of the With Us

2:04:21For Us Coalition. We recognize Joan

2:04:24Jacobson, Ms. Jacobson, the floor is

2:04:27yours.

2:04:28>> Thank you.

2:04:29>> You can come back My name is Joan

2:04:32My name is Joan Jacobson.

2:04:34I'm a long-term city resident,

2:04:37homeowner. I live in Laurelville in

2:04:38Northeast.

2:04:40I'm here today

2:04:42to oppose this pilot on behalf of the

2:04:44With Us Forest Coalition.

2:04:47Um this testimony

2:04:49follows our letter sent last month to

2:04:51the mayor and Board of Estimates. It was

2:04:53signed by 18 labor unions, community and

2:04:56civic groups demanding that all downtown

2:04:59RISE pilots

2:05:01granted by the

2:05:02city come with commitments to labor

2:05:05agreements, profit sharing, and clawback

2:05:08provisions.

2:05:09In the case of West Lexington College

2:05:12Town pilot, we're proposing that the

2:05:14payments in lieu of taxes agreement for

2:05:16the following reasons. The pilot grant

2:05:20grants a real estate tax discount that

2:05:22we believe is too steep at 95% and too

2:05:25long for 25 years, which I believe is

2:05:28the same length as the Marriott

2:05:31Waterfront was for a dollar.

2:05:34Which will only exacerbate the city's

2:05:36diminishing revenue and services it

2:05:38provide provides to residents.

2:05:40It does not call for any labor

2:05:42agreements for construction or permanent

2:05:45workers.

2:05:46It contains no clawback provisions that

2:05:49would require the developer to pay

2:05:51discounted taxes if it violates any of

2:05:54its agreements with the city.

2:05:57It provides no public oversight of the

2:05:59project that has been negotiated and

2:06:01approved by the BDC in secret.

2:06:05Now my written testimony said we are

2:06:07pleased that there's a profit sharing

2:06:08agreement, but I just heard that that

2:06:11probably will never happen. So that's

2:06:13just one more reason why my group

2:06:15opposes this.

2:06:17Uh and we are pleased that some taxes

2:06:20will come from a piece of land that is

2:06:22non-tax now, but still we strongly

2:06:24believe that labor agreements and a

2:06:27small brief tax discount would better

2:06:29benefit the city. Thank you.

2:06:32Any questions?

2:06:34>> Thank you, Ms. Jacobs, and

2:06:37>> No, no questions.

2:06:41>> Thank you for your participation at the

2:06:43Board of

2:06:45Estimates.

2:06:46Uh we will now bring up uh the

2:06:49University of Maryland. Uh

2:06:52I'm not sure who at this point is

2:06:55speaking for you all, but uh Dr. Jarrell

2:06:59President Jarrell, please come on up and

2:07:02introduce yourself to the board.

2:07:04>> Thank you.

2:07:06Good morning. My name is Bruce Jarrell.

2:07:08I'm president of the University of

2:07:14Not quite.

2:07:15Uh

2:07:16good morning. My name is Bruce Jarrell.

2:07:17I'm president of the University of

2:07:19Maryland Baltimore.

2:07:20Uh I am here to thank you first of all

2:07:23for hearing me present our case about

2:07:26this project. Um

2:07:28I would say to you that

2:07:30but for applies for finances, it also

2:07:33applies to people and amenities and

2:07:36restaurants and programs and people

2:07:39living in the downtown. So,

2:07:42if if you look at but for for this,

2:07:44we won't have these people doing this in

2:07:46this particular case. So, to me,

2:07:49there's there's a

2:07:50for the university, in fact, there's a

2:07:52much greater piece to this, and that is

2:07:54that we will have a vibrancy on a campus

2:07:57where right now we have vacant parking

2:07:59lots, where we have people who commute

2:08:01in and out of the city, uh where we have

2:08:04people who don't eat in the restaurants,

2:08:05and if there's anything thing the

2:08:07Westside needs, my golly, it needs that.

2:08:10So, this kind of project is exactly

2:08:12aimed at that.

2:08:14Uh but it's part of a whole vision.

2:08:16And the vision is really Lexington

2:08:18Street to Lexington Market down Utah

2:08:22Street, past the Hippodrome, Everyman,

2:08:25CFG Bank Arena, right to the Utah gate

2:08:28of the Orioles. We want that to be

2:08:30vibrant. We want people to be attracted

2:08:32there. We want them to go to dinner

2:08:34there. We think that every game ought to

2:08:37be like every day ought to be like a

2:08:38home game for the Orioles. People all

2:08:41over the place.

2:08:42So,

2:08:44that that is the vision. This project is

2:08:47a key step in that vision. And I of

2:08:50course do seek your support.

2:08:52To address Controller Henry's request,

2:08:56on behalf of the University of Maryland

2:08:58Baltimore, I commit that UMB will in

2:09:01fact come to an agreement with the City

2:09:03of Baltimore to keep the property on the

2:09:06tax rolls.

2:09:08Thank you all very much.

2:09:13>> Thank you, Dr. Jarrell.

2:09:15Any questions for

2:09:18UMB?

2:09:19>> Um, Controller.

2:09:20>> Thank you, Mr. President. Not so much a

2:09:21question, but just a clarification and

2:09:24uh a statement of appreciation.

2:09:27Um, when when I first heard about this

2:09:29project, um

2:09:31I was very happy to hear that uh an

2:09:34institution

2:09:36uh was taking property that is currently

2:09:38tax exempt because a tax exempt

2:09:41institution owns it. Um, and they were

2:09:44um eager to see it developed in a way

2:09:46that benefited not just them as the

2:09:49institution, but also the broader

2:09:51community and in fact the city as a

2:09:53whole for the level of development that

2:09:56you're looking to do um in in that part

2:09:58of the west side of downtown. And um I I

2:10:02want to take this opportunity to

2:10:03publicly thank uh University of Maryland

2:10:06Baltimore not just for that overall

2:10:09willingness, but for working with me in

2:10:13an extremely short period of time

2:10:15um leading up to this meeting to uh to

2:10:19take the intentions of the organization

2:10:23and commit to putting those into a legal

2:10:27document.

2:10:28And as I said earlier,

2:10:30I respect the fact that

2:10:33that the leadership is

2:10:35is committed to making sure that this

2:10:38project stays on the tax rolls and

2:10:42continues to benefit

2:10:44the the city of Baltimore overall.

2:10:46I just want to make sure we get it

2:10:48written down somewhere so that

2:10:5220 years from now when we're both What

2:10:54did I say, Jim? When we're when we're

2:10:56both retired and living like kings in

2:10:57Patagonia, the whoever is doing these

2:11:00jobs then

2:11:02they understand that this is what the

2:11:05partnership meant from day one.

2:11:08And so I I thank you again for the

2:11:11willingness to do this and looking

2:11:13forward to

2:11:15seeing the west side of

2:11:17Baltimore's downtown continue to get

2:11:19bigger and brighter.

2:11:20>> It is a partnership and we're very much

2:11:22committed to that part of Baltimore. We

2:11:24want to see it vibrant. That's our

2:11:26objective.

2:11:26>> Thank you.

2:11:30>> Um

2:11:31Thank you, Dr. Jerrell. I do want to

2:11:34thank the comptroller and appreciate his

2:11:36leadership

2:11:38uh

2:11:38in convening us together to make sure

2:11:41that piece was enumerated. That was

2:11:44clearly

2:11:46a concern that he had reflective of uh

2:11:51no dispute between the city and the

2:11:54university, but just wanting to make

2:11:56sure we do right by the people that we

2:11:58serve. And so appreciate you being

2:12:00willing to engage

2:12:03even at the last minute. Uh and just

2:12:06want to thank my colleague for uh

2:12:09now being a effective watchdog on behalf

2:12:12of the people of Baltimore and

2:12:14all the folks within BDC administration,

2:12:18uh

2:12:20Councilman Blanchard, who I know has

2:12:21been deeply engaged as well with you

2:12:23all. Um with that, thank you, Dr.

2:12:27Jerrell. Uh I am going to call up

2:12:30Shelonda Stokes from the Downtown

2:12:33Partnership.

2:12:47>> Good morning, and thank you so much, um

2:12:50President Cohen, Mayor Scott,

2:12:52Comptroller Henry, Solicitor Thompson,

2:12:55and Director Garbarck. I thank you um on

2:12:58behalf of Downtown Partnership of

2:13:00Baltimore. I'm President Shelonda

2:13:02Stokes. Um on behalf of our

2:13:05organization, I urge your approval for

2:13:07the Downtown RISE pilot

2:13:09um for West Lexington Corridor North

2:13:11Quad project.

2:13:13I can't overstate the need for this

2:13:15right now. The need for reinvestment in

2:13:17our central business district is urgent.

2:13:20Aging infrastructure, vacant buildings,

2:13:23and declining commercial property values

2:13:25affect our ability to attract and retain

2:13:29residents and businesses.

2:13:31We need to make investing in downtown

2:13:33more feasible and give people confidence

2:13:36that worthwhile projects can move

2:13:38forward. Downtown RISE is our collective

2:13:42our collective response to these

2:13:43conditions. It addresses both immediate

2:13:46needs while establishing a 10-year plan

2:13:49for a more vibrant, connected downtown

2:13:52through better infrastructure, support

2:13:54for businesses, and the removal of

2:13:56barriers for investment. Making

2:13:59development financially feasible is

2:14:01essential to delivering on that plan.

2:14:04The General Assembly approved this plan

2:14:07the pilot as an emergency legislation.

2:14:10That meant effective it could go into

2:14:12effect immediately upon enactment. That

2:14:14action underscores the urgency needed to

2:14:17put that tool to work. The proposed

2:14:19development site, we as we talked about

2:14:22our currently generates no city property

2:14:24tax value, and this agreement would

2:14:26generate revenue for Baltimore while

2:14:28also helping advance our broader

2:14:30redevelopment. We talked about phase

2:14:33one, but we're talking about 300 million

2:14:36overall in investment. That investment

2:14:37will bring new housing, retail, and

2:14:40people to the corridor to help increase

2:14:41that vibrancy. This project builds on

2:14:44University of Maryland Baltimore's

2:14:45established relationship with Wexford

2:14:48through the BioPark. We know that

2:14:49Wexford, we heard about all of their

2:14:53advancements, but they are known for

2:14:54developing innovation communities with

2:14:56universities across the country. We've

2:14:58been able to see them in other cities as

2:15:00well.

2:15:01Um along with their established

2:15:03commitment to Baltimore, we also know

2:15:05UMB as an urban university that is here,

2:15:09but their work extends well beyond those

2:15:12campus boundaries.

2:15:14We know that first hand through our work

2:15:16with expanded safety efforts in the

2:15:19campus beyond Lexington Market, the Utah

2:15:21Street corridor, its support as we

2:15:24worked on the squeegee collaborative and

2:15:26continue to work on that, our

2:15:27partnership developing solutions for

2:15:29community wellness and safety.

2:15:32Through Downtown U, we also connect

2:15:34students from University of Maryland

2:15:36Baltimore, Morgan State, Coppin with

2:15:38downtown businesses to one another. This

2:15:40development builds on that community

2:15:43that we want to see in downtown.

2:15:45The agreement puts the Downtown Rise

2:15:47tool to work as intended, making

2:15:49development possible, generating new

2:15:52revenue, and supporting the surrounding

2:15:54community. I urge the board to match the

2:15:56urgency that made the Downtown Rise

2:15:59pilot legislation possible with your

2:16:01consideration of approval for this. This

2:16:04agreement demonstrates

2:16:06that Baltimore is not only open for

2:16:08business, but understands today's

2:16:10investment climate and is willing to

2:16:12work with partners to get projects built

2:16:14and deliver more value for the city.

2:16:17Thank you.

2:16:19>> Thank you so much, Alanda. Appreciate

2:16:21you.

2:16:21Uh

2:16:22any questions hearing and seeing

2:16:26none. Thank you for

2:16:28joining us.

2:16:30All right. Hearing and seeing no

2:16:32additional questions from the board, I

2:16:36would entertain a motion to approve this

2:16:38item.

2:16:38>> So moved.

2:16:39>> Second.

2:16:40>> It's been moved and properly seconded.

2:16:42All those in favor of approving this

2:16:44item say I.

2:16:45>> I.

2:16:46>> Opposed say nay.

2:16:48This item is approved.

2:16:50The next and final item on the

2:16:53non-routine agenda is from the

2:16:54Department of Transportation under S No,

2:16:57actually, this is not the final item. I

2:16:59apologize. Um

2:17:00next item is from DOT under SB 26-13965.

2:17:06This is a request to note an emergency

2:17:08procurement with Gall's LLC, formerly

2:17:10known as Howard Uniform Company for

2:17:13uh uniforms for the

2:17:15for the Department of Tra- Sorry, for

2:17:17the Department's traffic enforcement

2:17:18officers through November 20th, 2026 on

2:17:20behalf of DOT. We have Brandon Burke.

2:17:22Mr. Burke, the floor is yours.

2:17:27>> Can you hear me? Oh. Good morning,

2:17:29board. I'm Brandon Buckner, Deputy

2:17:30Director of Baltimore City DOT. No, no

2:17:32problem at all.

2:17:34Um as you mentioned, um DOT has

2:17:36identified an urgent need to continue

2:17:38outfitting um our newly hired and

2:17:40existing traffic enforcement officers.

2:17:43Um it is important to note that

2:17:44supplying uniforms is a core requirement

2:17:47of the agency.

2:17:48Next slide.

2:17:57Okay.

2:17:58Um our existing contract did expire on

2:18:01June 20th, 2026. That contract did have

2:18:04two one-year renewal options remaining.

2:18:07Um, that's why we're here today. Uh, we

2:18:08are here to request an EPR to renew the

2:18:11existing contract until November 20th,

2:18:132026 with Galls LLC. Um, and that that

2:18:17does include a 10% approved increase

2:18:19from the Department of Finance. That

2:18:21time increase will provide adequate time

2:18:23for renewal option to proceed to be

2:18:25processed, which is currently in

2:18:27progress, but it will also allow the

2:18:29agency to continue ordering uniforms

2:18:31during this interim period, mitigating

2:18:33operational and

2:18:35curb-related risk. It is important to

2:18:38note that with the current contract, uh,

2:18:40we the total contract is $644,000

2:18:43roughly. Uh, we've issued 180,000 in

2:18:46POs, but that remaining balance is

2:18:49$463,000.

2:18:53And that's all I have unless there's any

2:18:55specific questions, but

2:18:59>> Any questions?

2:19:01Hearing and seeing none, the item is now

2:19:04noted. Uh, Mr. Mayor.

2:19:05>> I do have one. I just want to note

2:19:07something, uh, Mr. President. Uh, if you

2:19:10didn't notice, Mr. Buckner has a new

2:19:12piece of jewelry on his hand. He's

2:19:13joined us in the land of married men

2:19:15recently. So, just want to tell him

2:19:18congratulations.

2:19:20I guess. Yes, congratulations. I'm

2:19:21joking. Congratulations.

2:19:23>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2:19:24>> Mazel tov, Mr. Buckner.

2:19:25>> Thank you. Thank you.

2:19:26>> Uh, other quick You're not Bill Henry.

2:19:29Other questions

2:19:32from the board? Seeing and hearing none,

2:19:35this item is noted. Hang on.

2:19:39All right. Thank you, sir.

2:19:40All right. The next item on the

2:19:41non-routine agenda is under SB 26-13647.

2:19:45This is a request to award from

2:19:47Recreation and Parks for a restoration

2:19:48of the Winns Falls Campground. This item

2:19:51also received a protest from Robin

2:19:54Pecora on behalf of Allied Contractors.

2:19:57First, we will call on the agency from

2:19:59the Department of Ruxin Parks.

2:20:07Did this one get

2:20:09Did this get deferred SB 26-13647?

2:20:27Yes.

2:20:31Hey, sorry. Hang on. Please give us 1

2:20:351 quick minute here.

2:21:08>> Apologies, Mr. President. We're just

2:21:09checking the record to make sure we

2:21:11didn't make a mistake.

2:23:24>> Mr. President, this is on the printed

2:23:26agenda. Thank you for that group effort,

2:23:28Director Garbark.

2:23:30This is on the printed agenda, so I um I

2:23:33think for process, I might recommend

2:23:35that we hear the protestant and the

2:23:37board can use its discretion to

2:23:39defer until the agency can also be

2:23:41present.

2:23:43I'm not sure if we have an agency rep

2:23:44present. Oh, we do. Okay.

2:23:46>> Let me go with the protestant now that

2:23:47the agency is here. We're out of the

2:23:48protestant. This is fine.

2:23:50No, it's it's well

2:23:53Right, cuz we moved this to well

2:23:57>> Madam Clerk, did we read this in as a

2:23:59non-routine?

2:24:00>> We did not. So, technically it has been

2:24:03approved.

2:24:04Cuz it's was on the printed agenda and I

2:24:06didn't read it into the non-routine.

2:24:23>> All right, I'm going to hear from the

2:24:24protester. Apologies for the confusion.

2:24:28If you could introduce yourself and then

2:24:30you will have 3 minutes to offer your

2:24:33protest.

2:24:36>> My file, please.

2:24:49My name is Robin John Picora. I'm

2:24:51privately retained counsel for Allied

2:24:53Contractors, the protester.

2:24:55Uh the uh this were Allied Contractors,

2:24:58I think it's on the agenda twice. Once

2:25:01for this protest and another matter

2:25:03involving a uh totally different project

2:25:06that was to be uh dealt with due to a uh

2:25:10an error in the uh board's previous

2:25:12procedures.

2:25:13The uh other project was the so-called

2:25:15Dartmouth project.

2:25:18Any

2:25:19Any interest in discussing that? It was

2:25:22alleged to be a transferred to

2:25:25The board apparently did not approve

2:25:26this in December.

2:25:30And that was

2:25:31continued until today.

2:25:38>> If you could just keep to the

2:25:41current protest, that would be deeply

2:25:43appreciated.

2:25:44>> Okay, now since the

2:25:46agency is on its way, we had written

2:25:48Miss Taylor

2:25:49on behalf of the agency or the

2:25:52representative of several agencies

2:25:53involved requesting a public uh

2:25:57uh

2:25:58announcement uh in in the

2:26:01public information request

2:26:04for a letter that the agency had

2:26:06sent to Triumpho

2:26:08as well well as

2:26:10concerning this protest

2:26:13uh alleging that Triumpho was given a

2:26:15chance to amend their bid.

2:26:17Our problem with this protest is not

2:26:19that the city hasn't been generous with

2:26:21the minority community. It's just that

2:26:23this protest is about trying to save

2:26:25$225,000

2:26:27of city money by awarding this

2:26:30protest to the low bidder Triumpho

2:26:32instead of Allied Contractors, which is

2:26:34the low responsive bidder.

2:26:36Triumpho is not responsive. I think

2:26:39that's been conceded because they have

2:26:41been given a chance to amend their

2:26:43previously defective submission. They

2:26:45have amended the submission and our

2:26:47problem is to say to the board

2:26:49uh the procedure being used here

2:26:52undermines the city's procurement

2:26:53practices because

2:26:55the uh

2:26:57manner in which the protest has been

2:26:59handled

2:27:00uh is uh highly irregular to the bidding

2:27:03process. After the bids were opened in

2:27:04June 3rd, Triumpho was given a chance to

2:27:08completely amend their bid a substantial

2:27:10and material way. They just didn't as

2:27:13alleged by the agency correct minor

2:27:16technical clerical errors. They had

2:27:19literally sent in an entirely new

2:27:22female minority package and we submit

2:27:24that this is irregular, improper, and

2:27:26should not be allowed.

2:27:28Allied on the other hand had nothing to

2:27:30submit, nothing to correct.

2:27:33And we stand on the bid that we made in

2:27:35on June the 3rd.

2:27:37I have a witness that will bear this out

2:27:39if I might call her to testify.

2:27:47>> Thank you so much for

2:27:49your protest.

2:27:51I understand the a representative from

2:27:55SMBAD is would like to respond. Uh Mr.

2:28:00Chris, if you could please offer your

2:28:03response.

2:28:05>> I have a witness. Would you like to hear

2:28:06her from her before or after this

2:28:08presentation?

2:28:10>> Uh

2:28:11if she could briefly uh

2:28:15provide testimony.

2:28:16>> This was vice president of Allied

2:28:18Contractors.

2:28:20>> Understood. Ma'am, if you could keep it

2:28:22somewhat 50, I'd appreciate it.

2:28:24>> the estimator and I'm also the vice

2:28:26president of Allied Contractors on this

2:28:28project and it's a simple issue. Triunfo

2:28:31and I they're good competition. They're

2:28:33good people. So, I I have a lot of

2:28:34respect for them and we compete quite

2:28:36often. They submitted a bid with

2:28:40violating the percentage of allowable

2:28:44work you can give to a supplier that's a

2:28:46non-manufacturing supplier. It's clear.

2:28:49It's in the rules. It's in the bid

2:28:51package 10 times. It's the only single

2:28:54rule

2:28:55and they submitted a bid using 60% to

2:28:58its supplier. So, anyway, we caught it

2:29:01when we reviewed the bids and we brought

2:29:02it to the attention of the agency whom

2:29:06had already was going to approve award

2:29:08to them with this deficient package.

2:29:10Well, after we threatened to protest,

2:29:13they gave us both a letter which allowed

2:29:15us to cure our bid. We had used a sub

2:29:19and unfortunately put in their state

2:29:21certification number versus their city

2:29:23number, but they weren't not certified.

2:29:26So, we did have one minor irregularity,

2:29:28a little bit different than what Robin

2:29:30said.

2:29:30Um but they submitted they they

2:29:33completely deleted the it was Acorn

2:29:36Supply who was a WBE supplier and

2:29:38submitted a new package. I When when

2:29:41were we allowed to do that? I I've been

2:29:43doing this Allied's been here for 60

2:29:45years, both our yard and our office and

2:29:47we do quite a bit of work with you and

2:29:49we've done quite a bit of work with Rec

2:29:51and Parks. When are we allowed to submit

2:29:54a new package? Um, I'm not aware of it

2:29:57and I've been on both sides. I've lost

2:29:58jobs when we've made mistakes and I've

2:30:01gotten them when other people have made

2:30:02mistakes and my point is

2:30:04this just isn't I've never seen this

2:30:06allowed before.

2:30:08That's why

2:30:08>> Understood. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate

2:30:11your testimony. Um, Chris, I'm going to

2:30:13ask you to keep it uh

2:30:14brief.

2:30:15>> Uh, good morning, honorable members of

2:30:16the board. Um, yep, so this is a a

2:30:18fairly straight

2:30:18>> Please introduce yourself.

2:30:19>> Christopher Lundy on behalf of uh

2:30:21Mayor's Office of Small and Minority

2:30:22Business Advocacy and Development. This

2:30:23is a straightforward issue. Um, uh I I I

2:30:25think um um uh as was just stated, they

2:30:28just haven't encountered this in the

2:30:29past. Um, when we have all of the

2:30:31bidders that are non-compliant with the

2:30:33MWBE package, uh the agency the

2:30:35procuring agency has the discretion uh

2:30:38pursuant to the procurement regulations

2:30:40to issue a set uh 10-day cure to all of

2:30:42the bidders. Um, that's what happened in

2:30:44this case with the letter that was

2:30:45referenced. So, all bidders had 10 days

2:30:47to submit um a new bid package

2:30:50documentation and that's just simply

2:30:51what happened here and um uh that's how

2:30:54we got to the compliant bidding. Um, but

2:30:56all parties had the opportunity to um

2:30:58uh uh change their bids if you will

2:31:00based on that uh cure period.

2:31:01>> Understood and thank you. Uh, I do

2:31:03understand we have Recreation and Parks

2:31:05on the line.

2:31:08Right?

2:31:09>> Adam.

2:31:09>> Yeah.

2:31:09>> Adam from Recreation and Parks.

2:31:12Uh, Adam, please provide your testimony

2:31:15and please

2:31:17keep it

2:31:18pithy.

2:31:21>> Yes, sir. Thank you, uh

2:31:23President Cohen. Um,

2:31:25Adam Boarman, Chief of Capital

2:31:26Development for Baltimore City

2:31:27Recreation and Parks. Uh, I essentially

2:31:29concur with with everything that

2:31:31Director Lundy had had shared with you.

2:31:36This is not

2:31:37our first case for us. This has happened

2:31:40before where we've had multiple bids

2:31:42that were found to be non-compliant. At

2:31:45which point all bidders are offered the

2:31:47opportunity to cure.

2:31:49That's exactly what happened here and as

2:31:51a result we're prepared to move forward

2:31:53with the lowest most responsible bidder.

2:32:00>> Am I allowed to cross-examine?

2:32:04>> No.

2:32:05But thank you for

2:32:07Thank you for offering.

2:32:09Really appreciate again your protest. I

2:32:11appreciate hearing from the agencies.

2:32:15Thank you. If you could have a seat. We

2:32:17are going to address this matter. And

2:32:20thank you again.

2:32:49All right. I'm going to move to reopen

2:32:53SB 2613647

2:32:56Recreation and Parks Unified Award

2:32:58RP22805

2:33:00Gwynns Falls Campground Restoration and

2:33:02Improvements Triunfo Builders Inc. at

2:33:06$2,597,000.

2:33:10>> I second.

2:33:12>> All those in favor of reopening this

2:33:14item say I.

2:33:15>> I.

2:33:16>> Thank you.

2:33:18I will now call for a

2:33:20vote to move this item.

2:33:24>> So moved.

2:33:25>> Second.

2:33:26>> It's been moved and properly seconded.

2:33:28All those in favor say I.

2:33:30>> I.

2:33:31>> Opposed say nay.

2:33:35This item has been approved, Mr. Mayor.

2:33:38>> I just want to uh say again to the folks

2:33:40at Allied that we deeply appreciate the

2:33:42work that you guys do with the city of

2:33:44Baltimore and look forward to continuing

2:33:46to work with

2:33:48>> Thank you.

2:33:49As there is no more business before the

2:33:52board, we will now adjourn this meeting.

2:33:54The next regular meeting of the Board of

2:33:56Estimates will occur on Wednesday,

2:33:57November 4th, 2026 at 9:00 a.m. I thank

2:34:00everyone for participating and tuning

2:34:02in.

2:34:09>> TV 25, I think we're ready. Thanks

2:34:12everyone for your patience.

2:34:14And bear with me a sec while I

2:34:17pull my

2:34:18documents back up. It took us a minute

2:34:20to get all of those open because we uh

2:34:22had a long board meeting this morning. I

2:34:25am

2:34:26whilst we're

2:34:27bulk tax sale?

2:34:29Nothing came in?

2:34:30>> Bulk tax sale, anything come in um

2:34:33Amika, anything for bulk

2:34:36No, ma'am.

2:34:37>> Okay.

2:34:41Okay.

2:34:43So, we do have

2:34:46Oops.

2:34:48Let me modify this a little bit.

2:34:51We do have one addenda today uh to

2:34:54announce, but let me start at the top.

2:34:57This is the Board of Estimates bid

2:34:58opening for October 21st, 2026. Thank

2:35:01you all again for your patience. It took

2:35:03us a minute to get these open and

2:35:05organized for today. We have one addenda

2:35:08to announce and that is for the Bureau

2:35:09of Procurement RFQ 000855

2:35:13for sign language interpretation

2:35:15services.

2:35:17This was um originally due today, but

2:35:19the new opening date is now November

2:35:224th, 2026.

2:35:26And then we have six bids that we're

2:35:27opening today and up first for

2:35:29procurement is RFQ 000853.

2:35:34And this is a part A opening for yard

2:35:37waste composting services.

2:35:39And what that means is we are opening

2:35:41the technical requirements the agency

2:35:43has asked for. We will not be opening

2:35:45pricing, so we will just be sharing the

2:35:47names of folks who have provided their

2:35:49qualifications for review.

2:35:51Again, that was 853 yard waste

2:35:54composting services and Audrey, who do

2:35:56we have?

2:36:01>> Good morning.

2:36:02>> Good morning.

2:36:02>> The first bidder on this and the only

2:36:04bidder on this is Denali Water

2:36:08Solutions.

2:36:10>> Okay.

2:36:12Um

2:36:13>> Here you go.

2:36:14>> I'm going to hold I'm adding a column

2:36:16for part B

2:36:18because we did receive a part B from

2:36:20them.

2:36:20>> Yes. Um we did receive a part B. I have

2:36:23an original.

2:36:28>> And

2:36:29>> Should be marked at the top.

2:36:30>> Are these copies?

2:36:34>> Yes. Oh, okay. These all say original.

2:36:37>> Right.

2:36:38>> So we have three originals and no copies

2:36:41and

2:36:42that always forces me to share that when

2:36:45we do not get clearly marked copies, we

2:36:48won't have anything on file for public

2:36:51viewing in the office of the

2:36:52comptroller. All originals are forwarded

2:36:55to the agency

2:36:57for review because we don't have a

2:36:59clearly marked copy that we are

2:37:01that is labeled public access copy

2:37:04duplicate.

2:37:05There's none of that. These all say

2:37:06original, so these will all be going to

2:37:08the agency.

2:37:12And that proposal was from Denali Water

2:37:15Solutions.

2:37:23Up next, we have RFQ 000854.

2:37:27Oh, sorry. Oh.

2:37:28This is for procurement. We This is for

2:37:31a mowing of grass in medians,

2:37:33right-of-ways, specialized landscape

2:37:35flower {slash} planting beds.

2:37:41And I think this is a price total.

2:37:44Correct?

2:37:57One says what?

2:38:03Okay. Let me see. Okay, the first bidder

2:38:06on this one is

2:38:09Let me see.

2:38:13Lauren's Inc.

2:38:19They have a flash drive. Oh, hold on

2:38:22just a second. Let me add a column for

2:38:25flash drive.

2:38:27Okay, that's a one flash drive.

2:38:32I have an original Mhm.

2:38:35and a duplicate

2:38:37that says Southern.

2:38:41And I believe this is for mowing of

2:38:43grass in medians, right-of-ways,

2:38:46specialized landscape flower planting

2:38:49beds. Yeah, it should be RFQ 000854.

2:38:53Yes. And what did you say the duplicate

2:38:55says?

2:38:56All right. I can

2:38:59Look at the top. So, I see it says

2:39:01duplicate. Cuz there's another piece.

2:39:02That's why I'm That's why I'm being

2:39:03specific. There's another piece here

2:39:06that says northern.

2:39:09Mhm.

2:39:10>> What's the

2:39:11What's this company?

2:39:13>> Lorenz

2:39:14>> Lorenz, okay.

2:39:15>> Lorenz Inc.

2:39:16>> Uh I think Well, this is all getting

2:39:19referred to the agency anyway, but this

2:39:21has duplicate and yours says original.

2:39:25>> I have an original and you have the

2:39:26dupe.

2:39:27>> Okay.

2:39:28>> Marked southern.

2:39:31>> I don't know what that means.

2:39:33>> I don't know. It's for um

2:39:35>> Indicates

2:39:35>> for for grass mowing. Um the amount on

2:39:38this is 3,990,487.68.

2:39:47>> Okay, that number

2:39:51I have two two duplicates.

2:39:56>> Okay.

2:39:59>> And that number

2:40:02>> Page 54

2:40:03>> was 3,990,487.68.

2:40:09>> Yes.

2:40:14>> Thanks.

2:40:16>> That's an original and two dupes for

2:40:18southern, the same company,

2:40:22Lorenz.

2:40:28I have an original.

2:40:30>> Oh, wait, there are two separate bids

2:40:32coming in for each one of these vendors?

2:40:35>> This is for RFQ 000854

2:40:40mowing of grass in mediums.

2:40:44>> So, there are there're going to be two

2:40:45totals, one marked southern and one

2:40:47marked northern?

2:40:49>> This is what was in the This is how you

2:40:51gave the I was given this.

2:40:53>> How um is somebody here who can clarify

2:40:55from

2:40:58>> from procurement?

2:40:58>> Come on up.

2:41:01Um so, our folks who watch us on TV know

2:41:04what's going on in the agencies that are

2:41:06bidding join us and we have some

2:41:07questions about this.

2:41:09>> Southern, yeah.

2:41:11No, just so

2:41:15So, we have Southern and Northern, so

2:41:17it's correct.

2:41:18>> Okay, so Southern

2:41:19>> So, we're going to have two totals.

2:41:21>> to have two different totals.

2:41:22>> Is that right?

2:41:23>> Yes, speak on right, so we have that.

2:41:25Yeah, that is correct, yeah.

2:41:26>> Please do cuz it will clarify why we are

2:41:28confused.

2:41:29>> So, you know how Southern total So,

2:41:31Gifty from Bureau of Procurement, uh,

2:41:33Procurement Specialist, yes, we're going

2:41:34to have two totals, one for Southern and

2:41:36one for Northern.

2:41:37>> Okay, so we need to make some Yeah, this

2:41:41We don't have a sheet kind of prepared

2:41:43for this yet.

2:41:44Cuz we did not understand this. So, I

2:41:47need to mark a bid from Lorenz Inc. for

2:41:50Northern

2:41:51>> Mhm.

2:41:53>> and one for Southern.

2:41:56This is important instructions for us to

2:41:58have in advance.

2:42:00>> This is for the two areas.

2:42:01>> Okay, and this So, I already have the

2:42:04Southern bid, which was $3,990,487.

2:42:09And now I'm going to mark this one

2:42:12Northern.

2:42:13>> Northern, mhm.

2:42:15>> Okay.

2:42:16>> I have the Northern Again, this is

2:42:18Lorenz Inc.

2:42:20I have an original

2:42:25>> That was very confusing, okay.

2:42:27>> and two dupes and this is for the

2:42:29Northern.

2:42:31>> Did these come with flash drives also?

2:42:33>> Has a flash drive for Northern.

2:42:36>> Okay, ready.

2:42:37>> And the total for this one is

2:42:39$3,649,067.52.

2:42:48>> Okay, I'm going to repeat that number

2:42:51back and

2:42:56>> 54

2:42:56>> Find it.

2:42:57>> 54

2:42:58>> Yeah, I'm looking at the wrong tapped

2:43:01page. That is 3,649,067.52.

2:43:09>> Yes.

2:43:10>> Okay, and let me alter the

2:43:12>> Mhm.

2:43:12>> heading of this too, so it makes a

2:43:14little more sense.

2:43:17Oh.

2:43:18Hold on just a sec. I got to go to the

2:43:21the page that controls that.

2:43:25Okay, this is the same one there.

2:43:40Okay.

2:43:44So, I'm going to repeat those just to be

2:43:46clear. There are actually two bids

2:43:49coming in together.

2:43:51I assume divided by geography. And those

2:43:54are Lorenz Inc. for the for marked

2:43:57Southern for $3,990,487.68.

2:44:02And there is a bid from Lorenz Inc.

2:44:04marked Northern for $3,649,067.52.

2:44:11>> Right.

2:44:12>> Thanks, Ellen.

2:44:13>> Okay, let me put this back together.

2:44:18And they both have flash drives.

2:44:20>> Thank you.

2:44:21>> Got it.

2:44:23>> So, I'm going to be adding

2:44:27and then more spaces here. Let me just

2:44:29put it like this for a sec.

2:44:32Okay.

2:44:44>> Uh the next company here is

2:44:49P2

2:44:56Clean P2 Cleaning Services LLC.

2:45:00>> Mhm.

2:45:01>> Okay.

2:45:10Now, this one is not marked anything.

2:45:39Okay, I have a bid with a flash drive.

2:45:42It's not marked original or duplicates.

2:45:48>> So, do we have multiple of the same

2:45:51>> It's not marked northern or southern.

2:45:54>> No.

2:45:55>> Okay.

2:46:01>> If more than one, you want me to look at

2:46:03the

2:46:06>> Okay.

2:46:06>> me to look at one?

2:46:07>> So, let me give you those two.

2:46:09>> Okay.

2:46:26Um

2:46:36Okay.

2:46:38I

2:46:47I am confused. So, I have two copies

2:46:49that have the same numbers on them.

2:46:54Oh, and on the on the price sheet, it

2:46:56says northern.

2:47:00On mine, on the two copies I have, the

2:47:02price sheets say

2:47:04northern. Neither of them are clearly

2:47:07marked

2:47:09as copies, so I think we have to treat

2:47:11them as originals. I don't see any

2:47:14marking.

2:47:15Um I'm looking at page 30 Hold on, let

2:47:18me double check. Page 43.

2:47:21>> This is 43. I don't see anything that

2:47:23says that.

2:47:24>> What does it say?

2:47:24>> It was It's at the top right here.

2:47:27There.

2:47:27>> Okay, so they marked that as northern.

2:47:30>> do your both of yours say northern also?

2:47:33>> Let me look at this set.

2:47:34>> Cuz both of mine say northern.

2:47:36>> Okay, hold on. Let me open this set.

2:47:40>> This one might have confused folks.

2:47:49>> This is saying southern.

2:47:51>> Yeah, that's the only place I see it on

2:47:53these is

2:47:54>> me check this one.

2:47:55>> And I have the same pricing on both of

2:47:57those sheets, so.

2:47:59>> Southern.

2:48:05What does it say?

2:48:08Southern. Okay.

2:48:13Okay.

2:48:14So, right now we're doing northern.

2:48:18>> Yeah, did you find some marked southern?

2:48:20>> Yeah, I have another package here.

2:48:22Same as the other page.

2:48:23>> So, I have two

2:48:25northerns.

2:48:28>> Okay.

2:48:29And for Lorenz,

2:48:36>> So, these are both for P2 cleaning.

2:48:41>> Okay, the

2:48:42uh the price for 3 years is 2 million.

2:48:45>> This is is this for Northern odd?

2:48:47>> Okay, yes. This is for Northern.

2:48:49>> Okay, let me write that in.

2:48:51Oops.

2:48:54Okay, this is the pricing for Northern

2:48:56and you have

2:48:58>> 2 million

2:49:00383,000

2:49:03$937.98.

2:49:08>> And I'm going to repeat that back for P2

2:49:10Cleaning Services. The bid the

2:49:13the bid

2:49:15on the 3-year bid for Northern

2:49:18is 2,383,937.98.

2:49:24>> Yes.

2:49:25>> Okay.

2:49:26And I don't see any of these clearly

2:49:28marked as copies. So, if you have a

2:49:30Northern and I have two more Northerns,

2:49:33we're going to treat all of these as

2:49:35originals.

2:49:36>> Cuz this is not marked original.

2:49:38>> finds this marking anywhere, please

2:49:41advise cuz we will take a copy back for

2:49:43public access, but right now I don't see

2:49:46a clear indicator unless I am missing

2:49:49it, but I've now flipped through all the

2:49:51pages.

2:49:51>> This is not marked higher.

2:49:53>> Okay, so that's Northern, also.

2:49:55>> Right.

2:49:55>> Okay.

2:49:59Yeah.

2:50:02Okay.

2:50:04What? Those are the Northern ones.

2:50:08And there was a flash drive.

2:50:23>> You ready? Yep, same company, which is

2:50:26P2 Cleaning Services LLC.

2:50:30I have a flash drive.

2:50:34I believe these are

2:50:37>> And this is for the Southern

2:50:39Southern

2:50:51Nothing marked original.

2:50:54>> Um

2:50:55>> This one.

2:50:56>> Where's the

2:51:00I'm going to check my totals aren't

2:51:01marked.

2:51:03Okay, I see it. Okay.

2:51:04>> Yeah, I got the total. I was looking for

2:51:06>> that.

2:51:06>> Right. Um the total on this is

2:51:10>> Mhm.

2:51:10>> 2 million

2:51:12817,000

2:51:15$55.66

2:51:19>> 66

2:51:20>> Yes.

2:51:22>> Okay, that number was

2:51:25>> 2 million 817,000

2:51:30$55.66

2:51:33>> 2,817,055.66

2:51:38>> Yes.

2:51:38>> Okay, and I have

2:51:40I don't see copy marked clearly on these

2:51:43either.

2:51:44>> And I don't see original marked on the

2:51:46side.

2:51:47>> of mine are marked Southern.

2:51:5044 and these are both marked Southern.

2:51:58Okay,

2:51:59we have

2:52:00>> Okay.

2:52:01>> Oops.

2:52:13>> Okay, thank you.

2:52:17Wait a minute, what?

2:52:21>> Okay.

2:52:22>> The next company is Sparks Quality Fence

2:52:26Company.

2:52:29I have a bid price sheet that's clearly

2:52:32marked original

2:52:34and I have

2:52:36two

2:52:38copies that are clearly marked one and

2:52:40two. Thank you.

2:52:50>> And this is for northern.

2:52:53>> Um, yeah, this and

2:52:56the one I have in front to me that's

2:52:59marked original

2:53:01says northern boundary

2:53:04and it's for 3 million

2:53:07768,000

2:53:10$872.64.

2:53:15>> That was 3,768,872.64?

2:53:20>> Yes.

2:53:21>> Okay, that was Sparks Quality Fence

2:53:23Company for their northern bid of 3

2:53:26million 700

2:53:27>> there's a correction.

2:53:28>> Oops, okay.

2:53:30>> Okay, on the original

2:53:33I have one page that is saying southern

2:53:38and staple to the

2:53:42southern area is the northern.

2:53:45>> Oh.

2:53:45>> Look right here.

2:53:47>> Southern

2:53:49>> Yeah.

2:53:50>> Northern, look underneath.

2:53:52>> Oh, yeah. The price sheet's marked

2:53:55northern. Is that the number you just

2:53:56read to me?

2:53:56>> No, I read this number right here.

2:53:58>> The southern, okay. They'll

2:54:01we might

2:54:02Um, I don't know.

2:54:05Maybe that's the original for both.

2:54:08Let's see if the copies, if there's just

2:54:10two copies of northern.

2:54:13And see if

2:54:15and then the agency can figure this one

2:54:16out.

2:54:18Sorry, guys.

2:54:223,768,872.64

2:54:26and that was for

2:54:28Northern and both my copies are clearly

2:54:31marked.

2:54:33Northern

2:54:42I'm going to check my second copy.

2:54:56My second copy also says Northern.

2:55:03Yeah, I think

2:55:05so.

2:55:07Oh wait, my second copy says Southern

2:55:09and Northern. There's two.

2:55:12Let me see if there's duplicate pages in

2:55:14this one.

2:55:16Yeah, there

2:55:17they've got all of it together. They're

2:55:19Southern and Northern.

2:55:22And there is a different price for

2:55:24Southern. So I think we just have They

2:55:26just put everything in one package.

2:55:43I think we should refer this one to law.

2:55:59I don't know.

2:56:01Uh what does Do you have a second page

2:56:03that says Southern?

2:56:10Oh, this is the Southern total. This is

2:56:12the Northern total.

2:56:17I guess they're treating this as their

2:56:18bid package with a sheet for each

2:56:22geography.

2:56:27Let's record the Southern price and then

2:56:29the whole thing can get referred.

2:56:33Cuz I I can see the copies of Southern

2:56:36in this one also.

2:56:42>> Is it happy because the other ones have

2:56:44>> Yeah, they're set up differently and

2:56:48I don't know how to how to judge that.

2:56:50>> Okay.

2:56:55Do you want to come up to give them

2:56:57>> Please do.

2:56:59Our colleagues from the agency are going

2:57:00to join us again.

2:57:03So they've combined these two.

2:57:05>> It's actually combined.

2:57:06>> ones didn't set it up that way so we

2:57:08don't know what to make of it.

2:57:09>> to be combined. It's just the pricing

2:57:11sheet that's but it's it's a combined

2:57:13pack.

2:57:13>> There should be two pricing sheets. One

2:57:15for each.

2:57:16>> Yes.

2:57:17>> Okay.

2:57:18>> They did it their own way.

2:57:19>> Um so in this

2:57:23Okay, so

2:57:24>> Let me go back.

2:57:26>> Yeah, I let's just read the Southern

2:57:28total and then I'm just going to say we

2:57:30have a flash drive, one original, two

2:57:33copies, two sets of pricing and they're

2:57:36in this

2:57:37>> drive.

2:57:38>> Um oh, I thought we did.

2:57:42Okay, no flash drive.

2:57:43>> Mhm.

2:57:44>> No flash.

2:57:45>> Mhm.

2:57:49>> Okay, you ready for the total for

2:57:51Southern?

2:57:52>> Okay, so for Southern um I'm sorry for

2:57:54Sparks Quality Fence for the Southern

2:57:57boundary, the price is 3,937,886.88.

2:58:06>> And I have the same on the copy

2:58:093,937,886.88.

2:58:15And that bidder was Sparks Quality Fence

2:58:17Company providing southern and northern

2:58:20pricing.

2:58:22>> Correct.

2:58:23>> Here are the two copies.

2:58:24>> And then for the northern

2:58:26>> Um for northern I had 3,768,872

2:58:33dollars and 64 cents.

2:58:34>> Yes. Yes.

2:58:36>> Okay.

2:58:50>> Next bidder on this is is Team Every

2:58:54Detail Inc. I have an original that's

2:58:57clearly marked with a flash drive and

2:58:59two duplicates that are clearly marked.

2:59:02>> Thank you.

2:59:11And these are the same. They're

2:59:12combined. At least mine look like they

2:59:14are. No, then there's a northern price

2:59:16sheet and a southern price sheet.

2:59:17>> Yeah, I'm I'm seeing one price sheet

2:59:19right now. I see southern. I'm looking

2:59:21for northern.

2:59:25Wherever it is.

2:59:27Okay.

2:59:38Okay.

2:59:43For the northern boundary

2:59:46>> Mhm.

2:59:47>> I have

2:59:501,192,000.

2:59:55>> That number was 1,192,000.00.

3:00:01>> Yes.

3:00:03>> And then for southern

3:00:04>> And then for the southern boundary I

3:00:07have 1,352,000.

3:00:12>> And that number was 1,352,000.00.

3:00:20Okay.

3:00:21Cuz you're going to miss those.

3:00:22>> Thank you.

3:00:25>> Cuz we lost the pieces right there.

3:00:26>> Thanks.

3:00:27>> So they're not So they're not missed.

3:00:33>> Thanks.

3:00:39Yeah, yeah, I see.

3:00:40>> Just the evidence. Yes.

3:00:41>> Okay, and

3:00:44I have a envelope here. Let me see.

3:00:47Clean-up Crew Corp.

3:00:55>> All this, this.

3:00:57>> And they have

3:01:01without a flash drive.

3:01:03>> No flash.

3:01:05>> And it seems as if they are combining

3:01:09segments A and B.

3:01:12Master total

3:01:14>> Okay.

3:01:16They don't have a total for northern and

3:01:18a total for southern.

3:01:19>> Doesn't say anything.

3:01:22It's all I have.

3:01:24Um

3:01:27Okay, let's do Let's read them

3:01:29separately the way Let's do the

3:01:31subtotals so they're consistent with the

3:01:32other

3:01:33folks that we've read.

3:01:36Um so this is

3:01:39Okay. I'm going to give that one back to

3:01:41you. Do we have a Do we have copies for

3:01:43them?

3:01:43>> No.

3:01:44>> That's it?

3:01:46>> This is what was there.

3:01:47>> Oh.

3:01:49Okay.

3:01:54Uh

3:01:57So we have one original and it's a price

3:02:00sheet only.

3:02:01>> Yes.

3:02:06>> Okay.

3:02:06>> So for

3:02:07So the northern boundary on this

3:02:10document is $1,155,360.

3:02:20>> Um I'm going to read that back to you. I

3:02:22don't have a copy to confirm, but it's

3:02:241,155,360.00.

3:02:28>> Correct.

3:02:30>> And that was for the northern boundary.

3:02:33>> Yes.

3:02:35>> And then for southern

3:02:37>> southern boundary, I have $1,236,480.

3:02:46dollars.

3:02:48>> That was 1,236,480.00.

3:02:53>> Correct.

3:02:53>> I'm going to suggest that this be

3:02:55referred to law, just advising the

3:02:57agency.

3:02:59>> Do you want to leave the one that we did

3:03:01this

3:03:02>> Nah, let's just leave the subtotals in

3:03:04and cuz that makes it consistent with

3:03:07the other pricing that everybody's going

3:03:09to see.

3:03:09>> And it's just one bid.

3:03:10>> Submitted by the other folks.

3:03:12Yeah, that's okay.

3:03:16All right.

3:03:17>> That was the last bid.

3:03:23>> And that was Oh, sorry. I'm I'm all

3:03:25discombobulated from that. Um that was

3:03:27the final bidder for procurement RFQ 854

3:03:31mowing of grass and medians rights

3:03:34right-of-way specialized landscape

3:03:35flower and planting beds northern and

3:03:37southern boundaries.

3:03:41>> Number three.

3:03:42>> Up next is number three.

3:03:46And this is also for procurement. It's

3:03:48RFQ 857. This is for computer-aided

3:03:51dispatch, also known as the CAD system.

3:03:55This is also part A, so we're only

3:03:57receiving qualifications.

3:03:59We'll be noting and um Oh, hold on a

3:04:01sec.

3:04:03This has columns for bonds, but I don't

3:04:05think that's applicable, correct?

3:04:07>> Mhm, no it is not.

3:04:09>> I'm going to insert a column for part B

3:04:12so that we note that we've received a

3:04:14part B or not.

3:04:16>> This Intergraph should be the first one.

3:04:18>> Yep, and um

3:04:21So we will be receiving part A is the

3:04:23again the qualifications. We'll be

3:04:25noting that we've received part B's

3:04:27which are pricing, but those will not be

3:04:29opened today.

3:04:42>> The first bidder on this

3:04:45should be Intergraph Corporation

3:04:48in parenthesis Octave.

3:04:52>> Got it.

3:04:55And do we have a part B?

3:04:57>> They're ready. Yes, hold on. Hold on,

3:04:59we're going to give it. Yeah, is that

3:05:00it? Okay, so we're only reading the

3:05:03technical and which is going to be

3:05:05reading the names. Intergraph

3:05:07Corporation Octave

3:05:09>> Mhm.

3:05:09>> with a part B.

3:05:11>> Got it.

3:05:13Thank you.

3:05:14>> And I guess

3:05:19Do you need this?

3:05:21>> Nah.

3:05:22>> It's a flash drive.

3:05:23>> We'll double check them and a flash

3:05:24drive. I'm going to organize these with

3:05:27Jenny cuz we're going to practice again

3:05:28together.

3:05:29>> Okay.

3:05:30>> And we will make sure that we didn't

3:05:31miss any flash drives, but if we see any

3:05:33we'll know that we should be looking

3:05:35out. Is that clearly marked original?

3:05:37>> That's what I was asking. It's not

3:05:39marked.

3:05:40>> It's not marked at all. Is there

3:05:41anything marked duplicate?

3:05:43>> Okay.

3:05:44>> Or we'll treat them all as originals.

3:05:51Do we know um friends in procurement?

3:05:54Did we ask for copies for this one?

3:05:56We It looks like we've gotten

3:05:58>> Okay, original

3:06:00>> Okay.

3:06:00>> and one copy.

3:06:01>> And one? That's all we should say. Okay,

3:06:03great. Thank you.

3:06:04>> And it's marked on the front, I see.

3:06:07Right on the front.

3:06:07>> Thanks.

3:06:08>> Thank you, whoever

3:06:08>> Thank you.

3:06:09>> Thank you. Hey, next company should be

3:06:12mimeocom.com.

3:06:15That's m i m e o. c o n.

3:06:19>> Yep.

3:06:21We have a

3:06:24>> Okay,

3:06:25it's marked what?

3:06:28What do we

3:06:30Okay, this is public access. Where's the

3:06:32originals? This is

3:06:34Okay, hold on.

3:06:36This is the technical. This is the

3:06:39original. What you have here?

3:06:41Okay.

3:06:42Okay, so

3:06:45>> They gave us a lot of copies for good

3:06:46measure.

3:06:47>> Let's make sure this is correct. Okay,

3:06:50the company that's submitting this bid

3:06:52for mimeocom. It's

3:06:56saying on the folder mark 43.

3:07:03Ink.

3:07:04>> Oh, are they trading as somebody else?

3:07:06>> I have to say trading.

3:07:10>> Is that the bid?

3:07:11>> Yes, this is the bid.

3:07:11>> That's the bid.

3:07:13>> Mark

3:07:14>> They trade Mimeo trades as?

3:07:17>> No, I think that's

3:07:19>> Oh, that's just the box it's in.

3:07:23Oh, okay. So, we're not reading the

3:07:25right name here. Apologies, folks. So,

3:07:27who's our bidder?

3:07:28>> Okay, so the the company is

3:07:33The It's mark 43.

3:07:35>> Mark 43.

3:07:36>> Yes, can you put that back? That's the

3:07:37bid. Please, so we don't lose it. Sorry.

3:07:40Okay, and what I have is an original

3:07:43>> Okay.

3:07:44>> flash drive, and I have

3:07:48public access

3:07:50copy

3:07:51and I have another two public access

3:07:54copies and one dupe.

3:07:57>> That's what they're marked.

3:07:58>> So, one's marked dupe and

3:08:00>> two public access

3:08:01>> Okay. So, technically that would be

3:08:04three dupes, but thank you.

3:08:06>> I'm being specific.

3:08:07>> I appreciate that.

3:08:09Got it.

3:08:10>> Okay.

3:08:11>> Okay.

3:08:11>> And we have a part B for this.

3:08:22>> And we have a part B. Okay. And that was

3:08:25mark 43. And I'll read through the names

3:08:28again at the end for folks

3:08:30>> one should be

3:08:31uh

3:08:32Veristem Public Safety Inc.

3:08:35>> Versa? Versa?

3:08:36>> Versa, yeah. Versa.

3:08:38>> Just making sure I have it right.

3:08:41>> Versa Stem Public Safety Inc.

3:08:45>> And what are these marked on?

3:08:48Given all these folders. They're not

3:08:50there. Let's see.

3:08:53Okay.

3:08:55>> I have an original with a flash drive.

3:09:01I have

3:09:09one dupe and two public access copies.

3:09:13>> Okay.

3:09:18And we do have the part B.

3:09:19>> We do have the part B.

3:09:21>> Okay. Just making a note for the team.

3:09:23If we get something, you guys if we get

3:09:25something marked public access, use that

3:09:28one.

3:09:29Cuz that is crystal clear.

3:09:36Versa Term Public Safety Inc. Okay.

3:09:40Okay.

3:09:50>> Next company is Tyler Technologies

3:09:54Inc.

3:09:55>> Mhm.

3:10:06>> I have an original

3:10:08an original

3:10:11>> Got it.

3:10:23>> One dupe and two marked public access.

3:10:27>> No flash drive.

3:10:32>> I'm going to make sure it's nowhere in

3:10:33here before I say that.

3:10:36>> And we received a part B.

3:10:38>> We have a part B.

3:10:39>> Thank you.

3:10:41Yeah, and we'll we'll double check for

3:10:43our flash drives.

3:10:44>> Yeah, there's no flash

3:10:45>> Turn again.

3:10:47But right now we don't think we have a

3:10:48flash drive for Tyler Technologies.

3:10:54>> Okay.

3:11:06It's okay. The next company

3:11:10Okay, let me see this. Central Square

3:11:13Technologies LLC.

3:11:15>> Mhm.

3:11:22>> We do have a part B.

3:11:26>> Thank you.

3:11:27>> This is the original.

3:11:36This is public access. I'm looking for

3:11:38the original. Hold on.

3:11:40dupe

3:11:44This is public

3:11:51>> I have a flash drive.

3:11:55I have an original,

3:12:00one duplicate,

3:12:02and two public access copies.

3:12:06>> Got it.

3:12:34>> Okay.

3:12:36And the last bidder on this should be

3:12:40Motorola Solutions Inc.

3:12:42>> Mhm.

3:12:48>> With a pop B.

3:12:54I have a flash drive.

3:12:58Make sure.

3:13:00Motorola Solutions, I have

3:13:09one duplicate, that's clearly marked,

3:13:13and a two public access copies.

3:13:17>> Okay.

3:13:19And I'm going to read out those um

3:13:23bidders providing their technical

3:13:25qualifications to us today for RFQ 857

3:13:28computer-aided dispatch, and they were

3:13:31as follows: Intergraph Corporation,

3:13:35um also trading as Octave, Mark 43,

3:13:39Versaterm Public Safety Inc., Tyler

3:13:42Technologies Inc., Central Square

3:13:45Technologies LLC, and Motorola Solutions

3:13:49Inc.

3:13:51>> That is correct.

3:13:52>> And those were those were our six

3:13:55responsive responders to a request for

3:13:59this

3:14:00for technical qualifications.

3:14:04Okay.

3:14:07Are you ready for the next one?

3:14:08>> I'm ready. So, the next one is

3:14:11>> RFQ 863, trash removal and recycling

3:14:15services. And I believe we have three

3:14:18bidders, and one of them I need to just

3:14:20record their details when we get to

3:14:21them.

3:14:22>> Okay.

3:14:23>> And I believe this has a total

3:14:27um, and no requirement for bonding.

3:14:30>> Okay.

3:14:35Um

3:14:37>> And I'm going to

3:14:39>> Oh, the first bidder on this is Okay,

3:14:42let's see.

3:14:48>> Republic

3:14:49>> BFI Waste Service LLC, doing business as

3:14:53Republic Services of Baltimore.

3:14:56>> Yep. That's what I have, too.

3:14:58>> I have an original,

3:15:01clearly marked two dupes,

3:15:04and a flash drive.

3:15:10>> Thanks.

3:15:15>> So, open it up and read it.

3:15:16>> And we're reading the three-year total.

3:15:20>> Okay.

3:15:24Total on this is 435,291

3:15:32and

3:15:32>> That number is 435,291.90.

3:15:37>> Yes.

3:15:39>> Thanks.

3:15:48>> Okay, 30 seconds.

3:15:56Next bidder on this is

3:15:58uh Waste Management of Maryland Inc.

3:16:06>> Yep.

3:16:16>> Okay, you got these.

3:16:22>> They marked duplicate on their envelope,

3:16:24that's why I did that.

3:16:25>> Okay.

3:16:27>> It's clear, it's just not on the bid

3:16:29itself.

3:16:31>> All right, so on the envelope.

3:16:33>> Yeah.

3:16:33>> Okay, so

3:16:35so

3:16:36we have an original,

3:16:38a flash drive.

3:16:40I believe that's two copies you have

3:16:42there. Um

3:16:42>> Yep.

3:16:43>> And the amount on this bid is

3:16:47668,000

3:16:51$649.75.

3:16:55>> How do I find that? What page was that

3:16:57on?

3:16:59>> Uh

3:17:00one of three, on the back.

3:17:03I think this is the last page.

3:17:05>> The last page. Okay, thanks. Sorry, I

3:17:07didn't mark it for myself.

3:17:11Uh

3:17:18That was 668,649.75.

3:17:22>> Yes.

3:17:24>> And there's got two copies returned.

3:17:30And I believe we have one

3:17:33more bidder.

3:17:35>> Um

3:17:36I don't have any uh

3:17:39marked on the sheet.

3:17:42>> No, cuz they came in right at deadline.

3:17:47>> Okay.

3:17:48>> have come in too late for us to get them

3:17:50on the sheet.

3:17:54But not too late to be

3:17:56called.

3:18:04>> Okay, this is interesting. Okay, one

3:18:06second. One

3:18:07>> Yeah. I

3:18:09I don't know that any of those are

3:18:10clearly marked as copies.

3:18:11>> Okay.

3:18:12Um

3:18:14Okay. So, I have RTS.

3:18:19>> RTS

3:18:21and

3:18:33>> Okay, RTS. I believe it stands for

3:18:38Inc.

3:18:40>> Recycle Track

3:18:43>> Systems Inc.

3:18:45>> Systems Inc. RTS.

3:18:48Okay, got it.

3:18:49>> With a flash drive.

3:18:52>> Mhm.

3:18:57Okay, then how do I do this? Do I do it

3:19:02This is saying

3:19:04>> Are they marked copies? Oh, it was bid

3:19:06four.

3:19:07>> There's only three for the other ones.

3:19:09>> No, no, no. It was bid number for the

3:19:10fourth That's what it was for.

3:19:12>> Got you.

3:19:12>> That's what I was trying to figure out

3:19:13which number we were going to be on.

3:19:14Yeah.

3:19:15>> All right.

3:19:16That's for and the price on this is

3:19:19700

3:19:2110,000. 710,000.

3:19:24So,

3:19:30>> And we're calling this three originals

3:19:31cuz these are not clearly marked.

3:19:35At least I don't see any.

3:19:38Clearly marked.

3:19:45>> So, I don't see anything marked.

3:19:48>> Yeah, and neither.

3:19:53And that total was 710,073.6

3:19:58I have 69. Can you double check?

3:20:01>> Okay.

3:20:02710,000

3:20:05$73.69,

3:20:0869 cents.

3:20:09>> Okay. Thank you.

3:20:12Okay, I'm going to put their address in

3:20:13here, too.

3:20:15If I can find it. Oh, yeah.

3:20:29Okay.

3:20:31And that was our third

3:20:33of three bidders

3:20:35for RFQ 000863

3:20:38trash removal and recycling services.

3:20:43And give me just a sec cuz I got a typo

3:20:46that needs to go.

3:20:53Trash removal and recycling services.

3:20:56Okay.

3:20:57And up next for Department of Public

3:20:59Works, WC1463,

3:21:02urgent need water infrastructure

3:21:04rehabilitation and improvements.

3:21:08And this

3:21:10should have a

3:21:11bid total and all bond.

3:21:16And I reviewed these and I believe they

3:21:18all have bonds. Nobody's going to have

3:21:19checks.

3:21:20>> Okay.

3:21:21>> That's it.

3:21:23Where's the bid?

3:21:55All right. So,

3:22:00the first bidder on this is Spinello.

3:22:06Spinello Companies.

3:22:09They have one bid that is clearly marked

3:22:11duplicate.

3:22:21I guess this is the original, but I

3:22:23don't see it marked original.

3:22:28>> It's in the green book, though.

3:22:30>> It's not It's not marked anyway.

3:22:34They have a bid bond.

3:22:42Original.

3:22:45The amount is 19 million

3:22:48843,300

3:22:53>> That number was 19,843,300.00.

3:22:59>> Yes.

3:22:59>> That bidder was Spinello Companies for

3:23:0218 mil Sorry. Spinello Companies for

3:23:0519,843,300.00.

3:23:10>> All right.

3:23:21Okay.

3:23:25I have the next company is Commercial

3:23:28Utilities LLC with a clearly marked

3:23:32duplicate.

3:23:33>> Thank you.

3:23:37>> They have a big bond.

3:23:47They have a total. I just want to see if

3:23:49this is an original.

3:23:58I'll turn it in later.

3:24:23An original.

3:24:26The total is

3:24:2815 million 911

3:24:32I'm sorry, 15 million

3:24:35909,011

3:24:39563.

3:24:42>> That number is 15,911,563.00.

3:24:47>> Yes.

3:24:48>> That was Commercial Utilities LLC for

3:24:5015,911,563.00.

3:24:57>> Correct.

3:24:58>> Thanks.

3:24:59>> Duplicate.

3:25:11>> Let's see who this is.

3:25:16Okay, let's see who this is.

3:25:21I have a duplicate and this is

3:25:26R. E. Harrington.

3:25:37R. E. Harrington. Looks like it's

3:25:39plumbing

3:25:41heating utilities company, but it's R.

3:25:44E. Harrington.

3:25:45>> Mhm.

3:25:46>> P. H. U.

3:25:47>> Mhm.

3:25:47>> They have a duplicate.

3:26:00They have a

3:26:01bid bond.

3:26:12They have an original

3:26:15and it's for $12,496,000

3:26:20and no cents.

3:26:22>> That was 12,496,000.00.

3:26:30>> No cents.

3:26:31>> And no Yeah, zero zero.

3:26:33Um so that's R. E. Harrington for

3:26:35$12,496,000.

3:26:54>> Okay, let's see what we have here.

3:26:57It's a loose bid.

3:27:01Okay, the next company is Anca

3:27:04construction construction

3:27:07corporation.

3:27:12>> They have some employment stuff and I

3:27:14just put that with the original since

3:27:16it's not bound.

3:27:18>> Okay.

3:27:20Um

3:27:22I don't know if this is a

3:27:27I don't know what this is.

3:27:30Let's see. Let me see we what we can

3:27:31find.

3:27:34Uh this is

3:27:37Ay, ay, ay.

3:27:38Let's see.

3:27:39Um

3:27:41Nothing marked.

3:28:00Do you see a bid bond anywhere?

3:28:03>> Yeah, I It should be with a green tab on

3:28:07it.

3:28:10Yeah, I'll check this one, too.

3:28:11>> No, these don't have any tabs.

3:28:15Okay.

3:28:19>> At the bottom or set on the sides,

3:28:21maybe.

3:28:29>> Okay.

3:28:30Again,

3:28:32this is Anca construction

3:28:36corporation

3:28:38with a bid bond.

3:28:43I don't know if this is the original,

3:28:45though.

3:28:48What is

3:28:50Okay, this this

3:28:52>> And I see a price on page 162.

3:28:55>> Hold on.

3:29:00>> Let me see. Let me see what this is.

3:29:10And I don't know if this is the

3:29:12original.

3:29:17This is the front of the bid.

3:29:25Is that marked up?

3:29:33>> No, it's just not in the green.

3:29:35Yes, it is actually.

3:29:37>> Okay, um but this is not marked up. I

3:29:40mean the original.

3:29:42>> The propo- the proposal page with their

3:29:44name on it. See if that's

3:29:47marked original instead of duplicate.

3:29:51>> I have 144. I don't see a one. I don't

3:29:54know what this is. What?

3:29:55This will be accepted like this?

3:30:06And now I have a bid bond.

3:30:08Still looking for the front of the bid.

3:30:34What number is your front page?

3:30:36>> My front page is numbered 145, but

3:30:41they're not in a

3:30:43clear sequence.

3:30:45Cuz then there's a whole bunch of pages,

3:30:47and then the total page is numbered 162,

3:30:49but

3:30:50>> And my 145 does not have anything. It's

3:30:53only numbered like this.

3:31:42This is loose documents. Loose pages.

3:33:10>> Okay.

3:33:14Okay.

3:33:16Again, this is the big one, Anchor

3:33:18Construction Corp

3:33:20with a big bond.

3:33:28Total is

3:33:2922 million

3:33:31600

3:33:33and 3,000

3:33:35690

3:33:37dollars.

3:33:38>> That was 22,603,690.00.

3:33:44>> Yes.

3:33:45>> That was Anchor Construction Corp for 22

3:33:48million 603,690.00.

3:34:11>> Oh, I'm sorry.

3:34:12>> Oh.

3:34:13>> I opened two.

3:34:29>> Okay, the next one is

3:34:37Monumental Paving and Excavating.

3:34:44Okay. they have the clearly marked

3:34:46duplicate.

3:34:47>> Thank you.

3:35:09>> They have an erase

3:35:10>> Do you know?

3:35:11>> They have a bid bond.

3:35:17And the amount on this is 14 million

3:35:21$950,000

3:35:24and no cents.

3:35:26>> That number was 14,950,000.00.

3:35:32>> Yes.

3:35:33>> That was Monumental Paving and

3:35:34Excavating for 14 million $950,000

3:35:39and no cents.

3:35:54>> And the last bidder on this is Civil

3:35:57Construction LLC

3:36:02with a duplicate.

3:36:04>> Thanks.

3:36:23>> They have a bid bond.

3:36:28Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. They have a

3:36:30bid bond.

3:36:36I'm just looking for the actual

3:36:41name of the company.

3:36:57What page is yours marked to?

3:36:59>> It's on the very front, 145.

3:37:03>> is not saying anything.

3:37:05So, hold it on.

3:37:06>> book though, right?

3:37:07>> Yeah, it's not It's not in here. One

3:37:10second, I'll go through this again.

3:37:13It's not marked.

3:37:37Okay.

3:37:41It's an original.

3:37:47And the total on this is 17,395,100

3:37:56and 0 cents.

3:37:59>> I have 1,739,100.00.

3:38:05>> Yes.

3:38:06>> right? Okay.

3:38:06>> Yes.

3:38:07>> That was Civil Construction LLC for

3:38:0917,399,100

3:38:15cents.

3:38:15>> Correct.

3:38:16>> And that was our final of six bidders

3:38:18for WC1463

3:38:20Urgent Need Water Infrastructure

3:38:22Rehabilitation and Improvements.

3:38:25And our final bid today is for the bulk

3:38:28tax sale for 2026 and I believe we have

3:38:31no bids received.

3:38:34So, we will record that as such and that

3:38:36concludes our bid opening

3:38:39for today, 10/21.

3:38:42And our next scheduled bid opening will

3:38:45be on November 4th, 2026.

3:38:49Right after election day, get out there

3:38:51and vote, please.

3:38:53Thanks everyone for tuning in and thanks

3:38:55to the team. This was a big opening.

3:38:57So, a lot of pieces of paper.

3:39:00A lot of peop- Oh, yeah. There you go. A

3:39:01lot of pieces of paper. Thanks everyone.

3:39:03Thank you, TV 25.