2026-10-27 - Tax Abatement Committee

00:02I know.

00:03>> I know you do.

00:06>> [laughter]

00:11>> I know.

00:15It's just so close to Christmas.

00:19>> Yeah, I think so.

00:21You put this

00:23I think I'm just going to sit with some

00:24of the kids.

00:33>> Well, I think that was

00:34>> You know what?

00:37>> Maybe I

00:40>> You want to know?

00:41Take out the trash.

00:42>> I don't know if

00:45Mhm.

00:48I don't know.

00:49You think I do?

00:52I think I know what you mean.

00:53>> [clears throat]

00:54>> I think I know what

00:56>> No, I don't.

01:00>> I think

01:00>> I don't

01:01>> I think she did.

01:02>> I think I got you.

01:07>> Maybe that's the problem.

01:12>> [snorts]

01:13>> What are you going to do with me and

01:14Randy?

01:16>> One more time and you won't be able to

01:17walk again.

01:42>> I'm going to chain you to the wall

01:43waiting on

01:44>> Yeah.

01:44>> Maybe the end.

01:56I bought all the notice and hate.

01:58I bought all the tax rebate for you.

02:00Meet with me in person on Tuesday,

02:02October 22nd, 2026 at 6:00 p.m. in the

02:05Board of Alders Chambers located at 165

02:08Church Street, 2nd Floor, New Haven,

02:10Connecticut to hear and act on the

02:12following:

02:13LM 2026-0463,

02:17order of the New Haven Board of Alders

02:19concerning real property taxes of Eric

02:22A. Austin on motor vehicle accounts 526

02:2788

02:2852871

02:30and 52885.

02:33Item two, LM 2026-0455,

02:37order of the Board of Alders concerning

02:39assistance for Jason Foss with tax

02:42account numbers 66329,

02:4567295,

02:4766330,

02:49and 67296.

02:52Number three, LM 2026-0447,

02:56order concerning real property taxes of

02:58Deshawn K. Woods on motor vehicle tax

03:02accounts 105 818, 96729,

03:07105 885, and 108521.

03:11Number four,

03:13LM 2026-0444,

03:16order concerning Connecticut Center for

03:18Arts and Technology Inc. and Concord LLC

03:22requesting tax assistance on 150 Dixwell

03:24Avenue, 200 Dixwell Avenue,

03:27number five, LM 2026-0472,

03:32order concerning Manufacturing and

03:33Technical Community Health requesting

03:35tax assistance on account number 58200,

03:40number six, LM 2026-0357,

03:44order concerning Neighbor Works New

03:47Horizons requesting tax assistance on

03:50their properties.

03:51Order seven, LM 2026-0377

03:56from Michael Putrino

03:58uh Putrino Properties LLC requesting a

04:0117-year

04:02tax abatement on the property located at

04:06460 Middletown Avenue.

04:10Number eight, LM 2026-0378

04:13from William Knox [clears throat]

04:14requesting municipal tax exemption for

04:17100%

04:18disabled veterans.

04:21For order on the choice reader chair,

04:23says honorable Michael Smart City Town

04:26Clerk. These items are on file and

04:28available for inspection in the office

04:30of Legislative Services, City Hall on

04:33165 Church Street, second floor, New

04:35Haven,

04:36Connecticut 06510. For accessible

04:39related accommodation,

04:42please call 203-946-7651

04:45voice or 203-946-8582

04:51TTY cast TDD. Public comment testimony

04:56may also be submitted by email to

05:00the public testimony at newhaven

05:03ct.gov before 2:00 p.m. on the day of

05:07the meeting.

05:09Okay.

05:11We're calling for

05:14Oh. Yeah,

05:16I'm going to like to introduce the panel

05:18starting from my right.

05:21>> Hi, my name is Matt Dunberry Town, Ward

05:2416.

05:27>> Rosa Mendez, Ward 13.

05:30>> Troy Streeter, Ward 21.

05:32>> Brian Wingate, Ward 29, Beaver Hills.

05:36>> [clears throat]

05:38>> Okay, item number one.

05:40Order of New Haven Board of Alders

05:42concerning real property taxes of Erica

05:45Austin. Is anyone here like to come and

05:46speak up on that?

06:01>> Okay.

06:09>> How are you doing, sir?

06:10>> How are you doing, sir?

06:11>> Please be seated and state your name

06:13[clears throat] and address for the

06:14record.

06:16>> And start

06:17explain

06:19what's coming up, too.

06:21That's fine.

06:22>> I'm ex-

06:22>> Yeah, just state your name and address

06:24for the record, also.

06:25>> Okay. Okay.

06:29I'm Annie DeBose Frazier, 82 Dyer

06:31Street, New Haven.

06:32>> And 06515.

06:35>> I'm Eric Boston.

06:36Um 82 Dyer Street, New Haven,

06:39Connecticut, 06515.

06:41>> Okay, please state your case.

06:44>> Um

06:47it pertains to the um car taxes. Um

06:52I fell behind because um I was uh

06:56in a coma. [clears throat]

06:58I was uh

07:01I had a stroke.

07:04Um

07:06I I basically [clears throat] fell

07:07behind and um

07:11I

07:12I I

07:13I I could

07:14I need some help. I

07:15I I could probably possibly pay some of

07:17the taxes, but

07:22>> And I came in

07:23>> Mhm.

07:24>> Okay. Yeah, he's um

07:27he's been in and out of the hospital for

07:29the last couple of years. In 2005,

07:33he was in a coma for 9 months.

07:35>> 2025.

07:37>> 2025, sorry.

07:39>> Mhm.

07:39>> Um his car taxes are behind.

07:43Uh he I think a lot of it is interest.

07:47Um he's has been declared disabled.

07:51>> Mhm.

07:52>> But his job said that he can work two

07:54days per diem if he can get his car and

07:57and um and and it have transportation.

08:01So, we looked at the taxes is like about

08:0429 and 2400,

08:07which I think 900 is interest and

08:09penalty, I think. I'm not sure.

08:12But in looking at it, looks like that.

08:13So,

08:15um he's just trying to ask so that he

08:17can get his car registered and

08:19running.

08:21And

08:22get back to his home.

08:24Kind of

08:25nice.

08:26Yeah.

08:34>> [clears throat]

08:35>> Okay, does the committee have any

08:36questions?

08:40>> Chair, may I?

08:41>> Yes.

08:44>> Hi, I'm so sorry to hear about

08:46your illnesses, and I hope that you're

08:48feeling better.

08:49Um

08:50so you stated that you could pay some of

08:53it?

08:55>> Yes,

08:56in installments, so to speak.

08:59>> Uh-huh. And um

09:01so um

09:03you're you're asking that we forgive the

09:05interest?

09:07>> As much as you can.

09:08>> [laughter]

09:10>> He gets 1400 a month.

09:12And from disability, that's what he

09:13gets.

09:17So.

09:17>> And like you said, you were in the

09:18hospital in 2025.

09:21>> Well, actually it was

09:23in 2024 August, and then I got out in

09:26October of 2024.

09:30And then I went back in March of 2025,

09:33and then get out until New Year's

09:37Eve of 2025.

09:38>> 2025. I'm so sorry.

09:46>> [clears throat]

09:47>> Okay, looking at this, um it's like a

09:49lot of it, most of it is interest that

09:52um has accrued.

09:53Um

09:56it What What is the total amount of

09:58interest?

09:59>> Um

09:59>> $994.24,

10:03looks like.

10:03>> I think it's more than that. Oh, I I

10:05>> I I It might not have to be

10:07>> 1,441.40.

10:09>> Okay.

10:11>> Or the 18?

10:12>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:15So, how are you doing, Mr. Adam?

10:17I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait. Um

10:19sorry for any mishaps.

10:23Realistically, what can you pay?

10:26Right? Like if we looked at the interest

10:29Right? You know, you're trying to get

10:31your car back, so

10:32Um I think their payment will go down to

10:34about I think 900.

10:39>> [clears throat]

10:42>> That's That's the amount that is owed

10:44without the interest.

10:45>> Without the interest, yeah.

10:47>> So, it is So, what

10:50what are you able

10:52to pay?

10:53>> [clears throat]

10:55>> Cuz right now

10:56Right now, if we remove the interest,

10:58you're [clears throat] still looking at

10:59$1,500.

11:02What can you do?

11:04Or anything?

11:04>> [clears throat]

11:06>> I have 500, and I think he has

11:101,000.

11:12>> Nah.

11:14Get like nine.

11:18>> Okay.

11:19>> Okay. Um That tells us that we should

11:22remove the

11:23>> You're welcome.

11:24Um

11:25You're looking at this here. I say that

11:27um

11:29I'm in agreement with with removing the

11:30interest off of this. You know, all of

11:33it.

11:35Um [clears throat] cuz how she is going

11:37through How she is going through and

11:39things that's going on, so um

11:41Yeah, I make a motion that

11:43>> No, no, no, no.

11:43>> I can't stop

11:44>> No, no, no, no, no.

11:46>> All right.

11:47All right. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So,

11:51yeah, I'm in favor of removing the

11:52interest.

11:55>> Thank Thank you, Mr. Chair.

11:57Um

11:58Just for clarity, um

12:01can we get the numbers on if we remove

12:04the interest, what is

12:07left?

12:07>> That's what I'm going to say.

12:09>> [clears throat]

12:10>> The first column.

12:121,557.

12:14Which is a big amount.

12:16>> Yes, that's what I'm saying.

12:18So,

12:2115.

12:22>> 50 [laughter] 50

12:23>> 50 and I I think what we what we can do

12:26uh through the chair, we can discuss

12:28this when we deliberate around the

12:31number that we look at, right? Um it

12:33just You know, we heard what

12:36they said they can do.

12:37>> hardship

12:38>> Right, the hardship, right? And then

12:39it's I think we should discuss it when

12:40we get to that particular time.

12:42>> Okay.

12:44>> Okay.

12:45>> Yeah. Thank you.

12:46>> Thank you.

12:46>> Thank you.

12:48>> Thank you so much.

12:56We'll see you next time.

12:57>> Okay.

12:59>> And we will hear from you?

13:01>> Yeah. [laughter]

13:01>> Yeah, if you

13:03>> What now?

13:03>> Yeah.

13:04>> Okay.

13:07Yeah, if you guys want, you can stay or

13:09we will contact you and let you know

13:10what our decision is going to be.

13:12>> Okay.

13:13>> Okay.

13:13>> Thank you.

13:14>> Thank you. How you doing?

13:17Um

13:18number two,

13:20uh we have Jason Foust.

13:31>> Good evening, everyone.

13:32>> Good evening.

13:33>> Good evening.

13:34>> I'm Michael

13:34>> Yeah, can you state your name and

13:36address for the record and then state

13:38your case?

13:39>> Jason Foust.

13:41I'm moving tomorrow to 44 Victory Drive,

13:45Meriden, Connecticut.

13:48And uh

13:53I have opening statement and then I can

13:55get into the

13:56why the

13:57the taxes.

13:59So, hi, good evening. My name is Jason

14:01Foust. I have 30 years experience in

14:03restaurant and heavy construction work

14:05with a CDL A license.

14:07My license expired

14:09while I was in [clears throat] prison.

14:10So, I'm coming home to the community,

14:12starting over.

14:13I've been out now on a halfway house for

14:153 months.

14:16I have found multiple resources to help

14:18my license, job training,

14:20resume writing, and schooling.

14:23I'm scheduled to take my license permit

14:24test next week at the DMV.

14:26I'm asking to reduce or clear my city

14:29taxes

14:30so I can be in compliance with DMV and

14:32be able to move forward with a license,

14:34eventually registration, [clears throat]

14:35and insurance compliance.

14:38I'm really adamant about my future and

14:39my success story. This would be a great

14:41help

14:43and resource. [clears throat]

14:44Also, if you if there are any city

14:46maintenance or construction jobs

14:49available

14:50and you're open and willing to give me a

14:52chance,

14:53I have full availability and that would

14:55be a great help to me to take my success

14:57story.

14:58So, I put together a plan before I'm

15:00present before I came home

15:02to go to multiple re-entry resources

15:06and try to take care of everything I can

15:08in the community before I start working

15:09full-time. I won't have time for doctor

15:11appointments or anything like that.

15:14I'm currently working with the EMERGE

15:15Connecticut, a non-profit company here

15:17in New Haven.

15:18I also went to Goodwill and met Mary

15:21Loftus.

15:22>> Mhm.

15:22>> She referred me to Alderwoman Miss Angel

15:25Hubbard.

15:26So, I was in contact with Miss Hubbard

15:28explaining my license situation and

15:30previous car taxes I owed.

15:34While [clears throat] I was in custody,

15:35Miss Alderwoman Alderwoman Miss Angel

15:38Hubbard has helped guiding me through

15:39multiple stages to take

15:41so I can successfully reach for my

15:44driver's license.

15:46Miss Angel Hubbard helped me with a

15:48parking lot ticket on Orange Street.

15:50And EMERGE Connecticut has paid two

15:53seatbelt tickets from 2006 in New York

15:55City

15:56to be in compliance with Connecticut DMV

15:58for testing.

16:00All this happened cuz DMV kicked me out.

16:02They wouldn't let me test until all

16:03these things come in compliance.

16:05Miss Angel has also given me multiple

16:07job leads and referred me to a tax

16:09office. Mr. Al Lucas has been a great

16:12help as well. I met with Mr. Al Lucas

16:15and he was able to

16:17look up all these things

16:19and

16:21also helped me with reducing the parking

16:23ticket as well.

16:25So,

16:27what happened was I had I had I had two

16:30cars

16:31and

16:33one was my wife's one was mine.

16:35But I remember that

16:37one had broken down and then was towed

16:41from the gas station to a to a mechanic

16:43shop

16:44and when the the tow truck they dropped

16:46out on the wrong side of the street.

16:48Like reverse so cop put a parking ticket

16:51on it so I got a ticket for that. Plus I

16:53couldn't afford to fix the car. So I

16:55ended up just junking the car. So I

16:57thought that

16:58when you junk a car or sell a car that

17:00they'll return your plates

17:01and then but I guess they never returned

17:03my plates and my taxes are still

17:04running.

17:06So the same thing happened with my other

17:07car, a Kia Sportage.

17:09It was broke down at Forbes gas station

17:12and I couldn't afford to fix it.

17:14So they just sold it from the parking

17:16lot. So that was also another the same

17:18exact thing. So they took the car and

17:21they I thought that when the tow truck

17:23company takes your car they'll return

17:24your plates and they never did.

17:27So then

17:28then I went to prison and I came home

17:30for 4 years and my CDL license was going

17:33to

17:33expired and they said I got to start all

17:35over. So I'm looking for schooling

17:37funding for this I don't know

17:38what's going on. I thought you just get

17:40your med card and you come back right

17:41back up but she said you got to start

17:43over.

17:44So I'm scheduled to take my my license

17:46next week.

17:48And I need this car

17:50in order to find something to get in the

17:51DMV

17:52to tax it.

17:55>> Right. Yeah, how it works is you always

17:56have to before if you're going to junk a

17:59car always take your plates off and turn

18:00them into the DMV because if the um tow

18:03company or junk yard none of them they

18:05got to

18:06turn your plates in for you. And it will

18:08be running

18:10if you don't cancel them or turn them

18:11in. So unfortunately I'm sorry that

18:13happened to you.

18:15So we're trying to see

18:17>> He's trying to Thank you.

18:18>> Right.

18:20You have all the Wingate?

18:22>> Mhm.

18:22>> I really don't have too many questions.

18:24I just

18:25want to tell you that

18:27um

18:27you know

18:29we are more than believe in second

18:30chances. And you know you coming out

18:33trying to put your best before and you

18:35know I can appreciate that.

18:36Um you know I want to give you a number

18:38because I want you to reach out to this

18:39company.

18:41Um

18:42call them Liberty [clears throat] Works.

18:44I know they working with some partners

18:45right now that are trying to

18:47>> [clears throat]

18:48>> get you employed. Um

18:50and and the number is 203

18:53562

18:569000.

18:58205

19:00Whitney Avenue

19:02New Haven

19:0306511.

19:06Reach out to them.

19:09>> Okay, who do I ask for?

19:11>> Um

19:11they have job coaches and stuff like

19:13that that's in here.

19:15Um but you know what once you make that

19:18contact through that telephone number

19:20you you they give you the direction that

19:22you need.

19:23>> All right, thank you very much.

19:24>> You know

19:25keep keep keep keep your best before.

19:27Um as they look at the numbers and stuff

19:30like that.

19:31The question is could you pay anything?

19:33[clears throat]

19:34>> I have um

19:36I saved up all my emergency checks and

19:39it's like it's like it's like $200 right

19:41now I have in cash checks.

19:46>> Um thank you Mr. Chairman.

19:51>> All the way down?

19:54>> Hi.

19:54>> Hi.

19:55>> Hi.

19:56I can't tell you how much I support um

19:58what you're doing at the moment and

20:00wishing you the best. I have a question

20:02for you though.

20:02>> Sure.

20:03>> When you went to the tax office

20:05did you tell them that you had that car

20:07jumped?

20:09>> The one that was downstairs?

20:11>> Yes.

20:12>> Um

20:14I think I explained everything to him.

20:16I'm not sure because

20:18>> Um

20:20and um and

20:22in researching if you remember the plate

20:24number you can

20:26go to the vehicle DMV. They can tell you

20:29when that plate was no longer in

20:30service.

20:32>> Oh, okay.

20:32>> When it wasn't registered anymore and

20:34when it was scrapped.

20:37Um but I don't know.

20:39That's one more thing that you can

20:40>> The um yeah, the numbers are on my bill.

20:43That's all I remember on the bill.

20:45>> So then

20:46go on DMV online.

20:48>> Yeah.

20:48>> vpt.dmv.gov

20:51and put in your plate. It's going to

20:52tell you when that plate

20:56um

20:57was no longer in service and you bring

20:58that back down to the tax office, okay?

21:02>> Okay.

21:06>> [clears throat]

21:06>> Can you state your name and address for

21:07the

21:09name and address for the record?

21:12>> Walter Angel Hubbard or 3165

21:15Street number 9.

21:16>> I'd like to recognize all the Hubbards

21:18in

21:19the building.

21:24>> Okay.

21:25>> Who's representing you?

21:26>> Um I know I'm not a charity. I'm just

21:28here in support of Jason.

21:30Um he's been working very hard. Been

21:32working with me. I've been helping him

21:34to assist my hands taxes and um I am

21:37here to contest that everything that he

21:40has said is the real truth for as far as

21:42income.

21:43Um

21:44so I'm just here to be a support service

21:47for him.

21:48>> Thank you. Thank you.

21:51Any other questions for the panel?

21:54Okay, so we're going to deliberate and

21:56we'll give you what happens. Sit tight

21:58and you'll you'll be notified.

21:59>> Okay.

22:00>> Thank you.

22:02>> [clears throat]

22:02>> Thank you. Good luck.

22:11>> Okay, um

22:13number three, Deshawn K. Woods.

22:20Number three, Deshawn K. Woods.

22:22>> One more time.

22:24>> Number three, Deshawn K. Woods.

22:27Okay, we're going to move on to item

22:29number

22:31four.

22:33Concorp

22:34company, if

22:35you please step up, state your name and

22:38address for the record.

22:39State your case.

22:56>> [snorts]

23:07>> State your name and address for the

23:09record.

23:10>> Good evening. My name

23:12Attorney Danielle Bracari from Brenner

23:14Saltzman and Wallman at 271 Whitney

23:16Avenue.

23:20>> [clears throat]

23:25>> Go ahead.

23:26>> Okay. Paul W.

23:2857 Place in Cheshire, Connecticut.

23:31Mark Melis, 23 Judd Hill Road in

23:33Bethany, Connecticut.

23:34>> Okay, you state your case.

23:37>> I'll start. Good evening. Thank you for

23:39having us.

23:41I've had the pleasure of working with

23:42Concorp and ConnCAT for the last, I'd

23:45say, eight years.

23:46Concorp, as many of you know, is a

23:48501(c)(3) nonprofit organization

23:51dedicated to meaningful development in

23:53the city of New Haven and surrounding

23:55communities.

23:57Concorp is the owner of the former

23:59Dixwell Plaza on Dixwell Avenue.

24:03And if they are transforming the

24:05property with the development known as

24:06First Haven. The first phase of the

24:09development is recently completed and it

24:11contains an office building, which is

24:14the new headquarters for the Connecticut

24:16Center for Arts and Technology, ConnCAT,

24:19in addition to other nonprofit

24:21organizations that serve the community.

24:24Prior to commencement of construction,

24:26Concorp and ConnCAT entered into a

24:29ground lease arrangement which allowed

24:31us to secure a variety of grants and

24:34funds and mortgages for the development

24:37of the parcel.

24:39In addition to that, we

24:41submitted tax exemption applications for

24:44the building which would be owned by

24:45Concat, the ground which is owned by

24:47Concord, and the adjacent property which

24:50is currently the parking lot

24:52infrastructure for the office building

24:54and which will be um

24:56future redevelopment including

24:58affordable housing, retail, and other

25:02uses for the neighborhood. Anna Blanding

25:04is also here.

25:06>> Um how long you here to state your name

25:08and address for the record?

25:09>> Who let me?

25:11Who let me?

25:12What what is your name and address?

25:14You don't

25:15>> Um Anna Blanding, board chair of

25:17Concord, um

25:19496 Dixwell Avenue,

25:21um New Haven, Connecticut 06511.

25:25>> Uh Anna is the uh chair of the Concord

25:28board.

25:29Uh Paul is the CEO of Concord and

25:31Malcolm is the head of Concat. Um so

25:34prior to construction, we filed tax

25:36exempt applications at the end of 2024

25:39for the building, the ground, the

25:41parking lot next door, and the police

25:43substation which is also located on the

25:45property. Uh those applications were

25:48granted in early 2025

25:50uh and construction was actually uh

25:52completed with some of the tenants now

25:55open for business. Uh we're not sure

25:57why, but perhaps because of the move, we

25:59did not receive um the notices to file

26:03uh the new quadrennial application

26:05because we came in at the end of the

26:07quadrennial uh report. So uh as soon as

26:11we realized uh this error, we

26:13immediately filed the same um

26:16applications with all the supporting

26:18documents and now we're here before the

26:19board requesting relief uh for the taxes

26:22that were incurred prior to the filing

26:24of that application.

26:26Uh and I uh open that up to Paul if he

26:29wants like anything else?

26:31>> Sure. No, I

26:32will say that the uh

26:34project is up and going and it's open

26:36serving folks uh

26:38after care program that serves people

26:41with day

26:42>> Yeah, we serve about 70 a day.

26:45>> Absolutely brothers.

26:47>> And then we have the ongoing training

26:48program for for bodily

26:50um

26:51biodegradable

26:52and uh

26:54construction management program.

26:57And Comer one of the most prominent

26:59construction management

27:01as we were building this building there

27:02was a lot of

27:03people that uh wanted to work on the

27:05project but you need to have the proper

27:07training and and

27:09so the foundation to be able to get on

27:11get to get work.

27:13So we decided to start our own training

27:14program.

27:15And so we trained about [clears throat]

27:1860 of them third quarter 20 of them

27:21and uh

27:22so we just continue to uh to work on

27:25that that site and the next phase will

27:29include housing

27:31retail

27:32and include

27:34and we've already been in front of the

27:36board of holding company and

27:38>> And more importantly the affordable

27:39housing.

27:39>> Yeah, affordable housing yes. So um

27:43we're looking forward to starting that

27:44next phase early next year actually

27:46breaking ground on the planning stages

27:48and we've done a lot of planning on

27:49that. Project is

27:51>> [clears throat]

27:52>> at this time.

27:53So we really you know

27:56asking for your help because uh

27:58that expense is not something that's

28:02we can bear based on our our projections

28:06and funders.

28:06>> All right, so you're basically saying

28:07that you was oversight you still got to

28:09file but we filed in in 2014.

28:12Every two years needs to be filed you

28:14still got to file.

28:15>> Yes, between phases.

28:17>> Okay.

28:17>> We didn't get a notice I'll just be

28:19advised.

28:20We will come back.

28:21>> Any other questions from my panel?

28:24>> And and just in case we did weren't

28:27clear, we did file everything and we

28:29understand the assessor has everything

28:30that they need and that those

28:31applications have been approved.

28:33>> Okay. Okay.

28:34>> Thank you. Thank you for being here.

28:37>> Do you have Do you have a question?

28:39>> Um I did. But she just answered your

28:41question.

28:42>> [laughter]

28:44>> Any other questions for the panel?

28:47>> Nope. Nope.

28:49>> You're good.

28:50>> Okay, I would like to make a comment. I

28:52have a comment. I would like to say um

28:54of course Concord is located in my ward,

28:5721.

28:57>> I'm happy to hear

28:58>> I've been there and you're doing a

29:00remarkable job.

29:01>> Thank you.

29:01>> And I want you to please continue. If

29:03there's anything I can do to help,

29:05please reach out to me.

29:07And what we'll do, we'll

29:08>> Um discuss.

29:09>> Yeah, discuss this and we'll get back to

29:11you with a decision. Well, you said you

29:14have all the papers.

29:15>> Thank you.

29:15>> Just make sure you keep up on it.

29:17>> Yes, keep up on it.

29:18>> Thank you.

29:18>> [laughter]

29:18>> Thank you all for

29:19>> Thank you so very much.

29:21>> You all have a good evening.

29:22>> Thank you.

29:25>> [laughter]

29:26>> Thank you.

29:26>> Thank you.

29:33>> Jack, congratulations

29:34to the new nation.

29:35>> Yeah.

29:36>> Congratulations. [laughter]

29:37>> Thank you.

29:38>> We'll be up in the five.

29:40>> Yes.

29:40>> Next man up, I know you can do a great

29:42job.

29:48>> Okay, um

29:51Yeah, number five, um

29:53manufacturing

29:55and technical community hub.

29:58>> Okay, here. Um Okay, but theirs is

30:03similar and their paperwork has been

30:05filed. It's a similar situation. They

30:07did not

30:08um submit the required tax and paperwork

30:11on time.

30:14Through the assessor's office, um the

30:16tax and paperwork has been submitted and

30:18will be effective for

30:20the um

30:22for this year.

30:23And so uh they're just asking that

30:26because it wasn't filed on time that

30:28they get the same relief so that they

30:32can actually uh

30:34come down here. And and

30:36they are uh contracted with the city.

30:38You cannot get paid until this is

30:40cleared.

30:41>> Okay. Okay, that's that's good to know.

30:43Um, Mr. Chair, you're recognized for

30:45number six.

30:47>> Yes.

30:48Um,

30:50Neighborhood Works, New New Horizon.

30:54Neighborhood Works, New Horizons.

30:56>> Mhm.

30:59>> Excuse me?

31:00Neighborhood Works, New Horizon.

31:02>> Can you

31:03>> Okay.

31:04Um,

31:07Michael Puchino Puchino is it? Puchino

31:10Properties.

31:13Please state your name and address for

31:15the record, and then state your case.

31:19>> Good evening.

31:20>> Hi, good evening everyone.

31:22Michael Puchino,

31:23460 1857 Middleton Avenue, North Wood,

31:26Connecticut.

31:28That's my address. I didn't know if you

31:29wanted the address of the property, but

31:30that's my

31:31>> Okay. Please state your case.

31:33>> Yeah, what it is that I do.

31:36Yeah, I've done it. I've done it the

31:37last two years I've been here doing it.

31:41So, I have a uh

31:42uh seven unit

31:44project. It is uh 468 Middleton Avenue.

31:47It's a completely residential housing

31:49development consisting of seven

31:51residential units, all of which are 100%

31:53affordable residential housing.

31:56The project is

31:57designated to serve elderly residents

32:00age 55 and older, and persons with

32:02disabilities.

32:03The development provides safe, compliant

32:07code compliant housing

32:08designed to support independent living,

32:10long-term residents to stability,

32:12maintaining

32:14full affordability across all units. The

32:16project preserves access to housing for

32:18residents on fixed or limited incomes

32:22to prevent displacement to neighborhoods

32:24with increasing housing cost pressures.

32:27The project advances key objectives,

32:29preserving 100% affordability housing,

32:32promoting promoting neighborhood

32:33stability,

32:34ensuring continued housing availability

32:36for elderly and disabled residents. My

32:38own property management maintenance

32:41operations stability essential to

32:44sustain affordable

32:45and protecting long-term benefits for

32:48the development.

32:50The project is completed. It is 7 units.

32:52It is fully

32:54uh

32:55occupied by elderly disabled residents.

33:00I've actually done many in the town. So,

33:03this is the first time trying to

33:06get some help, some relief for

33:09the residents.

33:10>> Okay, yes. So, my my my question is

33:12exactly what is your ask of us?

33:15>> My ask is for the 17-year deferral

33:19for

33:20the tax abatement.

33:24>> You're saying you're asking for that on

33:26which property?

33:27>> On 468 Metal Town Avenue property.

33:30For the 7 units.

33:39And I do believe there is

33:42an amount. I'm not 100% sure what that

33:44is.

33:45Of course, anything is benefit, but

33:48um

33:51a few hundred dollars per unit

33:57>> Okay, all the one day.

33:59Good morning. Good. How are you? Thank

34:01you for your presentation. So, you say

34:03you have these units

34:04>> Yes.

34:07>> What's the rent for the unit? What what

34:08what are the rents?

34:09>> They're subsidized by the state, so the

34:12tenant pays a portion. They only pay a

34:14small portion, like a 30% portion of

34:16what their income is, and the balance is

34:19done by the state, which is 17.

34:22It depends on how it works sometimes,

34:23but it's about 1,700

34:25>> For two bedroom? Are you talking about

34:27one bedroom? Each one bedrooms.

34:29>> Okay.

34:30>> One bedrooms, yeah. It's like 1,549 or

34:32something like that. It It's depends on

34:34how it's worked with the tenant.

34:36>> Okay.

34:38Okay, all the minute.

34:40>> One minute.

34:41>> [laughter]

34:44>> I

34:44>> how are you?

34:44>> Good.

34:45>> Now,

34:46these are already built?

34:47>> Yes.

34:48>> Already occupied?

34:49>> Yes.

34:50>> So, this is um

34:52and obviously they're uh done

34:55sort of like uh the the like the housing

34:57for 30% of their income and then the

34:59state subsidizes the rest for you.

35:02How how How long have you had these?

35:05>> This was done in 2013.

35:07>> Also a couple years, fairly new.

35:09>> Yeah.

35:11>> And then you're asking for a 17-year

35:13abatement?

35:13>> Yes.

35:21>> It helps preserve a [clears throat] lot

35:22of money to for them.

35:24>> This is

35:25personal. This is for my dad.

35:27Long time he like passed before I

35:28finished. But I'm just going to get as

35:30many people in there as I can.

35:34>> [clears throat]

35:34>> Just what I keep doing it for my

35:35tenants. It's costly, so it's good to

35:38try and help because I do a lot before

35:40that.

35:41>> Okay.

35:41>> Cuz they don't have a lot, so.

35:43>> No, yeah, they definitely don't. They

35:44are very vulnerable population.

35:47>> And it's uh

35:48personal for me.

35:50Because it's uh

35:52They're disabled. My niece is

35:55My dad was.

35:57Yeah. And it was uh

35:59>> Oh.

36:00>> Yeah.

36:00>> Um

36:04All of them are

36:05all of them are entailed.

36:07>> Yeah.

36:08>> Um

36:09are there any subsidies that you

36:12receive for your one-bedroom units?

36:15Or any other funding sources beyond the

36:18affordability?

36:20That's why I'm asking you that.

36:22>> To try

36:23to try to make them affordable and get

36:24some help.

36:25Uh but no, I don't

36:28You know, I do everything

36:29myself for them.

36:32>> Well, that's cool.

36:33>> Well, thank you for

36:35>> Uh-huh.

36:35>> for the work that you are doing.

36:37>> It is. It's actually, yeah, a little bit

36:39It's uh

36:40Yeah, right in

36:41>> What What's What's this one?

36:44This what?

36:44>> Yep.

36:46>> This one okay.

36:47>> And then we're going to get in there.

36:48>> Now you can come back around.

36:49>> Okay.

36:51>> Now you might be a little too far.

36:52>> Oh, yeah. I think you went too far.

36:53That's okay. Let me go back.

36:55Let me go back. Yeah, I'm on Gandal

36:57Drive.

36:59All right, let's try this again.

37:01So you guys can get a

37:03a

37:04picture of

37:05it.

37:06Uh, let me

37:10Is this fancy light?

37:11>> Yes, just maybe the one touch. You know

37:12what to do. There you go.

37:13>> Yeah. The red?

37:15>> Swing it back around.

37:16Keep going. It's the brown one. Yeah,

37:18it's still a little too far.

37:19>> There we go. Yeah.

37:21>> Yeah, it's right there.

37:22>> There we

37:23>> Oh, I know those.

37:24>> Okay, all the Wingate. Thanks.

37:26>> Mhm. Yeah.

37:26>> So

37:28I you know, I have got to ask this

37:29question

37:31because of the tax abatement. Normally

37:32when we do a tax abatement

37:34it helps the

37:36the

37:39actual [clears throat] tenant

37:41right, for the subsidy,

37:43right? So you you telling me

37:46one bedroom is 1,500.

37:48Right? If you get a tax abatement,

37:51does that help the tenant? Does the help

37:53the subsidy go down for the tenant?

37:55>> Yeah, because they don't have increases.

37:57We don't

37:59We don't really get increases that

38:00often. But there's been no increases for

38:03me. The object for me is to hold down so

38:04that I don't have any

38:07Sometimes even if the state does

38:08increase it, I don't take that from

38:09them.

38:10Because

38:11I just don't have a lot, so I don't even

38:13take that.

38:14And that's something that they'll do on

38:15their own. But the more that I can hold

38:18down that cost of having to do that,

38:21obviously the better it is

38:23for them, for sure.

38:25>> So what what I'm hearing is the tax

38:27abatements support you not raising their

38:29rent

38:30after because you got because the tax

38:33abatements tax

38:35Yeah. Capture the

38:36Right? Is I think that's what we trying

38:38to get to, right?

38:40What do you have look like for the

38:41tenants?

38:42>> It's for the tenants.

38:43Strictly for the tenants.

38:46Everything I do with the house around

38:48them.

38:49My tenants.

38:50Letters from them. You know, when you do

38:52going to have to do that.

38:54>> Are we Are we going to chat?

38:56>> You can You can chat. I'm done.

38:58Here for about 20 years.

39:00>> Okay.

39:01>> Yeah, I've done this before.

39:02>> Okay.

39:03>> I'm on a different realm. I'm always

39:05there. I'm always there to help. I watch

39:06the chat on them.

39:08But yeah, it's to hold down the costs

39:10because of all of the taxes. It's Taxes

39:12are

39:13a lot of them. Taxes are a lot.

39:16>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

39:18>> You're welcome.

39:19>> Okay, welcome to the town.

39:21>> Um

39:22I know that you're saying that there's a

39:25lot of expenses. What are some of the

39:27things that

39:28um

39:30are part of the

39:31additional expenses that you have?

39:34Um the

39:34>> The only expense that they have, because

39:36I cover everything else, is just

39:38electric.

39:39The rest of everything I cover. Water,

39:42or sewer, or trash payments.

39:44>> So, what I mean is like um

39:47the lawn maintenance,

39:50um

39:51you do that yourself?

39:53>> Yes.

39:54>> Okay.

39:56Um

39:57>> I do a lot of lawn work.

39:58>> lot

39:59of bless you. This is

40:00>> Yeah, I snow blow a lot.

40:02>> So, and that's what I I was just curious

40:04as to cuz I see a lot of this like the

40:07seasonal clean up, right? The lawn

40:09maintenance,

40:11uh garbage removal, if there's any you

40:14know, additional fees with that. Um

40:17>> If the tenants

40:18>> And

40:19>> They never move out.

40:22Unfortunately, they'll pass. And if they

40:24do, which I just had a tenant just pass,

40:26I take care of all of it. The A lot of

40:29the times there's no family or

40:31I mean, sometimes the families don't

40:33want to be bothered cuz they're no

40:35longer there. They're elders.

40:37I'll take care of all of the clean up,

40:39which the last one was quite a bit.

40:42So, I take care of all of that. We

40:43remove all the stuff that's inside

40:45there.

40:46Whatever they have, just so that the

40:47family doesn't have any other

40:49personally.

40:51>> Well, thank you. You have a very good

40:52heart. Thank you so much for sharing.

40:54>> Okay. [clears throat]

40:55Um now, how many tenants do you have

40:57approximately?

40:58>> In here I have seven. In this building I

41:00have seven tenants.

41:04>> Okay.

41:06>> [clears throat]

41:06>> Um

41:07any other questions from the panel?

41:10Okay. Thank you, sir.

41:11>> You're welcome. Thank you.

41:18>> [laughter]

41:23>> Okay. Um

41:25number eight, William Knox,

41:27can you please step up?

41:45You can go with the request on page 101,

41:48101, just one page. So, it's 101.

42:12>> [laughter]

42:15>> You good, sir?

42:16>> Definitely.

42:16>> Good evening, Mr. Knox. Can you state

42:18your name and address?

42:19>> Uh my name is William Knox. I live at 10

42:21Talmadge Terrace, New Haven,

42:23Connecticut.

42:25>> Okay. And

42:26>> This part

42:29New Haven here.

42:32>> My name is Joseph McCray. I live at 37

42:35Diamond Street, New Haven.

42:37>> Okay. [clears throat] Can you state your

42:38case?

42:39>> Okay. Uh

42:42a little context here.

42:44>> I'm a veteran.

42:45I'm a veteran.

42:47As you know, we're better. I'm a

42:48veteran.

42:50And the thing that stand out there is

42:53going in South Carolina.

42:55Jim Crowism is still a big issue.

42:57I came here after high school.

42:591967

43:011968

43:04Draft went out. I volunteered.

43:07Took my chances.

43:09I was employed employed one year.

43:13Came back up in Florida Vietnam.

43:17This was I started again.

43:20And

43:21as you see now,

43:23I'm 78 years old.

43:26And we have suffered injury in the army.

43:30We just suffered discrimination in the

43:32army.

43:33We get pushed on.

43:35And this is my country.

43:38I fought for this country.

43:39This is my city. I've been here.

43:42I have a family. I do good. I've been

43:43here for the last 55 years in this

43:46I have two girls.

43:48And I

43:50volunteered in this city.

43:52I volunteered for 2 months on the front

43:54lines

43:55in the street cleaning program.

43:57I helped an old man in the street. I

43:59served the youth.

44:00I helped the delinquent kids and

44:02made them go to school. I made them go

44:04to school. I'm like a big brother.

44:06So,

44:07for 10 years in the juvenile detention

44:10in the state of Connecticut.

44:12Not for 5 hours a day but 7. But to get

44:14a young man who's in poverty at that

44:16young age.

44:18I also left that big job. I worked for

44:20the state of Connecticut

44:21in the Manson Youth Facility for 8 years

44:24as a as a mentor.

44:26Doing that to college people there.

44:29I worked for the Board of Education.

44:32Okay. At Brien McMahon High School

44:34Nathan Hale Middle School as a reading

44:37mentor for third and fourth third and

44:40second grade students

44:41through the

44:42through the community center.

44:44I worked for the Norwalk Family

44:46Intervention Program. I helped young men

44:47in prison.

44:48For 10 for 10 years.

44:50I gave my time and effort to this city.

44:53I volunteered.

44:54I go to United Methodist Church. I ran a

44:56soup kitchen. a veteran of 201 program

44:58for distribution in this city. I feel my

45:02life

45:03in this country and in this city.

45:05And I feel now I'm at this point here

45:08and it's not so much my effort on my

45:11part, but all these veterans who are not

45:13here

45:15I'm 78 years old. You can imagine many

45:17other veterans who are going on with the

45:20Many of our brothers and sisters

45:22with dishonorable discharge, better

45:24known as bad paper.

45:26And many people don't believe that, but

45:27there are young men out there now trying

45:29to get their benefits now in that

45:31situation.

45:32Because they're dishonorable discharge.

45:34I was one of the fortunate ones.

45:36And my brother here, Paul Royal, also.

45:39And one of the

45:41I never cut my hair in Vietnam.

45:44I was so proud.

45:46To tell you guys that dishonorable

45:47discharge would not cut your hair.

45:51I was given cut my hair

45:53all the times I was in there.

45:55I was fortunate enough to get home.

45:57Thank you God that I did.

46:00It's not so much for me, but those

46:01veterans who are not here I speak for

46:04them. I'm not better than anyone.

46:06All of us are the same.

46:09One of

46:10this particular

46:12This is all the requests

46:14for municipal tax exemption for disabled

46:17veterans

46:18approved by the state and effective

46:21January 7th, 2025.

46:26I'm writing on behalf of these

46:28permanently disabled veterans in this

46:29state with the request to be able to

46:31read it.

46:32Approval of the municipal property tax

46:33exemption authorized under the New York

46:35legislation Act

46:37in Act of 2025 of veterans

46:39who have a 100% permanent and totally

46:42disability rate.

46:43This legislation provides municipalities

46:46with the option to establish a property

46:48tax

46:49for qualifying disabled veterans.

46:52This incentive will allow eligible

46:53veterans to receive a property tax

46:55exemption

46:56for up to two of land where their

46:58qualifying dwelling

46:59is situated.

47:01I respectfully ask the Board of Aldermen

47:03to consider adopting this municipal

47:04option.

47:06Filling this order benefits the eligible

47:09disabled veterans of New Haven.

47:11Veterans who have been rated 100%

47:13permanently

47:15totally disabled have made a significant

47:17sacrifice

47:18serving to our country. And the binding

47:20factor in this will be a minimal way for

47:22the city to recognize and support them.

47:25By adopting the home ownership

47:28and property tax exemption, the city

47:30will alleviate the financial burden on

47:32the state of better than that of others.

47:34Approving this incentive will provide

47:35much needed financial relief

47:37while demonstrating to the city of New

47:39Haven

47:39its continued commitment to supporting

47:41those who have served our nation.

47:43Thank you for this time and

47:45of this important

47:47I respectfully ask the Board of Aldermen

47:49to take

47:51to adopt this

47:53property tax exemption.

47:55qualifying the disabled

47:57veterans of New Haven.

48:00>> Okay.

48:01Mr.

48:02Go.

48:05Uh I did

48:06work without a problem

48:08for all of two jobs.

48:11>> [clears throat]

48:11>> I took that family and I stopped

48:13working.

48:15My name is Winchester.

48:17So, I worked at Yale University

48:20and I worked at Winchester.

48:23I lived in Winchester and I worked at

48:25Yale University.

48:26They stopped the job because of my

48:28payment.

48:29After many years they stopped the job. I

48:32got hurt.

48:33After they stopped working, they called

48:36me back in.

48:38So,

48:39I stayed there for 10 years.

48:42Yeah, that happened.

48:44I got hurt at Yale University after 10

48:45years because I

48:47I still couldn't do it anymore.

48:49After that,

48:51I've been kind of around the United

48:53States.

48:53I went to New Haven. I went to the same

48:56church people.

48:57They want me to go to the same church.

48:59And

49:01that will feel everything that I wanted

49:03to do.

49:04I took care of everything that they had

49:06me do and I

49:08and I

49:09cleaned and I did everything over there.

49:11Matter of fact, most people thought I

49:13worked there.

49:14But I didn't work there.

49:17So I just been doing I've been busy ever

49:20since I came here.

49:22I bought me a home.

49:23I took care of them and everybody and I

49:26do the same thing. And then I still got

49:28my home. But uh

49:30I can't do it, man.

49:32I had another back I had another back in

49:341986.

49:36I had another last last year here before

49:39last year.

49:42And that's why I

49:43fell over here because

49:45I bounced [clears throat] it off and so

49:47sometime I walk and I still want to go

49:50to work.

49:50So that

49:52But

49:52when I read that article

49:55he talked about in the paper where it

49:57said

49:59duty

50:01totally permanent

50:03I was totally

50:04glad. Made me feel a little good. I was

50:07glad

50:08but but

50:09the tax I have been paying by the month

50:12but I paid the house off

50:14and I started paying my tax by the

50:16month.

50:17I should be getting it every month every

50:19month every month.

50:20And so when I seen that

50:22I mean I was I was telling everybody

50:25they didn't

50:25I didn't know what I was talking about.

50:27I don't know what I'm going to do. I

50:28don't know what I'm going to do.

50:30Came down here and brought my papers

50:31from

50:32When I got down here they told me the

50:34same thing, you know, blah blah blah

50:36blah blah. It don't stop, you

50:39Well, I didn't know about this just a

50:40year and all this, you know.

50:42Explain to me though.

50:44No problem.

50:46And I got something else and you know

50:48you can't get you got to get

50:50problem.

50:53But you can't get but one. You can't get

50:55that from private. But you can get it

50:58from the whole company on land or

51:00whatever.

51:01But I've already getting it anyway.

51:04Small

51:05or you know,

51:07so I had to put it on the car.

51:09I was putting it on on the car. Before I

51:11know I was putting it on the car. I was

51:13putting it on the car. I was putting it

51:14on. But it all went easy.

51:18So I read that thing. I read it over and

51:20over again. When I started feeling that

51:23you know, I was preaching but you can't

51:25get

51:28I started reading it over again. Reading

51:29it over and over again.

51:31I really don't see no where it said we

51:34shouldn't be eating but uh

51:38right now I guess we just trying to cram

51:40and understand what is it

51:43about that

51:45field that the doctor

51:47when you go 169 times and say he didn't

51:50do

51:51one or two or three or four. If you want

51:53six and nine, [clears throat] I'm going

51:54to do that.

51:56and say that it's one of a kind.

51:59You follow me? P&P that I heard he said

52:03anything but

52:04you know it is not the way to go. So I

52:06would like to come on and let you know

52:10you know me and I go home and I probably

52:12sleep with her.

52:15>> Okay, all the way gate?

52:17>> Well, I

52:20I just want to

52:22Thank you. [clears throat]

52:23I really like you.

52:25You listen now to no one stop you. You

52:27just listen.

52:29You just you just keep leading. You just

52:30keep leading.

52:33You know I thank you for being at

52:35our service. Thank you for

52:37just just just being leaders.

52:41I don't know how to do this, but can I

52:43shake your hand?

52:44Can I shake your hand?

52:46Thank you, man. Thank you. Thank you.

52:49Thank you. Thank you, sir.

52:51I am I'm

52:55I know we have to do more around this

52:57father and all of that.

52:59The process and all of this stuff that

53:02you bring to the tonight. Um I know we

53:04got to do our due diligence to get the

53:06right information. Um, we will do that.

53:09Um, you know,

53:10we got to got to work through our chair

53:12you know, to get more information um,

53:14from that legislative body.

53:16But, I just

53:17>> [clears throat]

53:17>> personally say that you guys are

53:19you guys are being champions of who you

53:20all are and being

53:22man.

53:22Um,

53:24so I just want to say thank you for

53:25that.

53:26>> You say one more thing.

53:28It is just the um, one of the biggest

53:30things there.

53:31You got to keep going to school.

53:34I don't know.

53:35We haven't yet figured out how our age

53:37dollars

53:39You know what causes um,

53:42just the form

53:46Um,

53:48certain things to your body.

53:49[clears throat]

53:50>> Mhm.

53:50>> They haven't figured out yet what we

53:51what we what what we do bother in the

53:53spring and spring all the chemicals and

53:55use things.

53:57>> Mhm.

53:57>> They haven't figured out why we have to

53:59say

54:00I think this

54:02>> Mhm.

54:02>> He didn't have a deformity.

54:04>> Mhm.

54:05>> My daughter

54:06she was born a deformity.

54:09We didn't think my children would pay

54:10pay pay for that.

54:11We didn't figure out yet.

54:14I brought her to the doctor and had my

54:16little baby boy.

54:18We still That That was a lot of

54:20paperwork we still have to

54:23get your case

54:24in there.

54:26We just fortunate because we related

54:28life that our case is going to be in.

54:31We have to

54:32We were I'm 38 years old. And my life

54:35span is almost like what most life span

54:37that I have.

54:40I never got from the state of

54:41Connecticut my 250 dollars service.

54:44My service award for being a veteran.

54:47I forgot it.

54:49I was only 48. I was under my father's

54:51supervision. And they didn't say

54:53anything about going to

54:55Thank you for that.

54:57I didn't qualify.

54:59And I'm I'm upset about that. You got to

55:01give me my money.

55:02>> I see.

55:02>> 250 dollars. Everybody got their 250

55:04dollars but me.

55:05>> Mhm.

55:05>> And I should have got my 250 dollars

55:07service award from the state of

55:09Connecticut.

55:09That would be it. Maryland. Thank you,

55:11Father. Maryland give me my

55:13water bottle. I was a minor. I don't

55:15know how you can be a minor and be going

55:16to college.

55:17If you volunteer for service in war and

55:20be a minor, but that's I

55:22almost stopped.

55:24>> Let me say one last thing, but

55:26I got to say one last thing and I'm

55:27going to say it to you. You know what

55:28I'm talking about. See the Z.

55:32Oh, good. You don't know what I'm even

55:34talking about.

55:35We all want to describe the color

55:41Man,

55:42they tell me all them things.

55:45He did it.

55:47Which I got.

55:49Prostate cancer, which I got too.

55:53And so, I mean, that's my son, you know.

55:57Talk to him when you go down there and

55:58do what you told him.

56:00All right, man.

56:01That's life today. Well, I'm 80 years

56:04old.

56:06And

56:08I guess I would have

56:09Well, I don't know. I got all the time

56:10in the world.

56:12I can be a long as I want to. I said

56:16Okay, that's what I'm saying right now.

56:23>> Thank you, Chair.

56:25I would like to thank you.

56:27Thank you for all you have done.

56:29You mentioned some places that

56:32I worked in and

56:33I can only imagine you've definitely

56:36been of service. Not just a service to

56:38our country, but a service to the

56:39community as well. So,

56:43I also want to thank you for being here.

56:46Um

56:48It's not just for you.

56:52Rather, it's

56:53Um

56:54and we had

56:55There's a lot to be said for you

56:57standing here today and doing that.

56:59Um so, thank you. Um not just standing

57:02for yourself, but

57:04for all that has been done over time.

57:06Having you guide and interfere share. Um

57:10and that

57:11is selfless.

57:13But I do want to say that this is

57:14something that um

57:16we'll definitely take it to the

57:18channels.

57:19Um I just think it's important

57:22also that it can be heard.

57:28>> I also would like to thank the two of

57:29you for your service.

57:31The major work you have done.

57:35But

57:36>> Well, I'm not going to get into that.

57:39>> [laughter]

57:41>> Thank you very much for what you've done

57:43and it's

57:45the thing, you know,

57:47that you've done so much in

57:49continue to do and it's like selfless.

57:52Um

57:52you're not there out for yourself, but

57:54for everyone.

57:57And not many people do that, so you're

57:58quite unique, the both of you.

58:07>> Yeah, I understand.

58:12Okay, I'd love to add

58:15one one thing

58:18Logan is talking.

58:19What we need to do to adopt this and

58:23what things we need to do.

58:25Um well, you know,

58:27some

58:28legislation

58:33the due process.

58:35Committee hearing

58:37or board.

58:39We have

58:41successors on the

58:43give a little

58:44perspective

58:45what it's like

58:46on the finance

58:48case we have

59:02a minute for the record, please.

59:06All right, uh my recording

59:07>> We can say

59:09>> Thank you.

59:11Thank you.

59:12It's my honor to be in this situation

59:13>> Good.

59:14So, I

59:17public act in 2025

59:22>> [clears throat]

59:22>> and include

59:25four

59:28four separate categories for potential

59:31exemption.

59:34So, the first one which is anyone

59:39permanently disabled

59:40and has permanently and totally disabled

59:43qualifies for

59:44property exemption

59:49exclusive of the land.

59:52But, just the land.

59:54>> Okay.

59:55>> The second

59:57allowed for as was been described a

59:59local option to include the lands up to

1:00:02two acres.

1:00:03>> Mhm.

1:00:04>> The third option, third local option,

1:00:07is

1:00:10to include veterans that

1:00:13are our

1:00:15totally disabled based on the

1:00:17federal law.

1:00:19Um

1:00:20third option

1:00:21was to include some of these veterans

1:00:24who were qualified

1:00:27um the veterans died before

1:00:29the law came into effect.

1:00:32Um and then there's some limiting

1:00:34factors where this the town can can't

1:00:36accept the exemption and the median

1:00:41value.

1:00:44>> Okay. All of them are eight.

1:00:46Thank you, Mr. Drake. So, let's say that

1:00:47we're going to break it down into three

1:00:49three three ways,

1:00:51right?

1:00:52Um

1:00:53house land

1:00:55building.

1:00:56>> No, I mean that's really it.

1:00:58>> House house and land.

1:00:59>> In terms of that's in terms of the

1:01:01property.

1:01:01>> Right.

1:01:02>> Then it's in terms of the the people who

1:01:03could qualify.

1:01:04>> Okay. So, now I

1:01:06we're not getting qualified piece

1:01:08qualified pieces to say

1:01:09>> Mhm.

1:01:10>> Okay.

1:01:10>> Well, 100%

1:01:11>> 100%

1:01:12>> 100% rating with

1:01:15permanently limited liability

1:01:17>> Okay. So, I will ask these two

1:01:19gentlemen,

1:01:20are you 100% sure?

1:01:22>> And if they can get

1:01:24100%

1:01:25>> Okay.

1:01:26>> So, this is the company you are talking

1:01:27about. They call it T&D Tony Permanent.

1:01:29>> I got you.

1:01:30>> Okay.

1:01:31>> Um

1:01:33So, I

1:01:34>> I don't know if that's fair enough for

1:01:35me.

1:01:36>> Um

1:01:37I don't know

1:01:37what this is like, but

1:01:40it's

1:01:42we

1:01:43local ordinance

1:01:45for this particular park?

1:01:47>> Yep.

1:01:47>> to be

1:01:49accepted

1:01:50>> Mhm.

1:01:51>> for us to move on this.

1:01:52>> That's correct.

1:01:53>> So, this would have to be legislated or

1:01:58passed through the board as a whole body

1:02:00before we

1:02:03Okay. So, this is coming from the state

1:02:05at this point.

1:02:06>> I mean, well, yeah, they passed the law

1:02:08here.

1:02:08>> So,

1:02:10what's the

1:02:13this create? Funding

1:02:15>> So,

1:02:16currently

1:02:18we

1:02:19we

1:02:23but it's all

1:02:25all

1:02:278 million 700,000

1:02:29>> Okay.

1:02:30>> [clears throat]

1:02:31>> I've got a grand list.

1:02:32>> Okay.

1:02:33>> Uh

1:02:34probably going to be a greater number of

1:02:35that

1:02:36with the 26 grand list.

1:02:39Uh

1:02:41because we're doing a reevaluation.

1:02:43I

1:02:44I haven't seen it now.

1:02:44>> Mhm.

1:02:45>> Yeah.

1:02:47>> Mhm.

1:02:48Okay. Yes, sir.

1:02:49Okay.

1:02:50All right. So, we know what we need to

1:02:52do.

1:02:53Uh you know what we need to do.

1:02:55Okay. Thank [clears throat] you, Mr.

1:02:56Chair.

1:02:59>> Okay.

1:03:01Hold it.

1:03:02>> Um thank you, Chair. Um

1:03:05I was I'm curious

1:03:07to know if

1:03:08this has limitations as far as like

1:03:12time and the application for this fiscal

1:03:14year.

1:03:15Are there

1:03:17any kind of

1:03:18limitations that then create

1:03:21to be

1:03:23um

1:03:26>> It's

1:03:28annually applied by January of each

1:03:30year.

1:03:33>> Thank you.

1:03:35>> Yeah, it has to be applied by January of

1:03:36each

1:03:38>> I mean

1:03:40>> Every year.

1:03:42>> You have the only

1:03:45>> You have to do

1:03:46one time.

1:03:47>> [clears throat]

1:03:48>> I think my first pick down here

1:03:52for you.

1:03:53I do.

1:03:56Man, I just never think

1:04:01But that's not

1:04:04So he answered

1:04:05>> The legislation was passed in in 24,

1:04:08right?

1:04:09Then a special act was passed very early

1:04:14in 25 because the

1:04:17um

1:04:18the law was so

1:04:21very ambiguously

1:04:23a lot of times throughout the state had

1:04:26questions for how to

1:04:27interpret and change the law.

1:04:29And then they changed it again for 25,

1:04:32which is where they brought in the

1:04:33annual application. So it's possible you

1:04:35came in 24

1:04:37there wasn't an annual application

1:04:39requirement and then a year later it

1:04:41was. And we did send letters to

1:04:43everybody

1:04:44um who had qualified in 24

1:04:47to apply in 25.

1:04:51>> Okay, all the way then.

1:04:52>> Yes, so

1:04:53in January 2027

1:04:57>> [clears throat]

1:04:57>> these two gentlemen will be eligible if

1:04:59we

1:05:01if we get this as legislation

1:05:04for the longevity credit.

1:05:07For example.

1:05:09Right?

1:05:09>> That would be even good if we do the

1:05:10law. Yes.

1:05:12>> Yes.

1:05:13So we looking for 2027. We can't do that

1:05:16in about 2026.

1:05:17>> It would be 26, the October 1, 2026

1:05:19grant.

1:05:19>> No, I get it. I get But in January is

1:05:21when you have to do the paperwork.

1:05:23>> No, by then.

1:05:24>> By then?

1:05:25>> Yeah.

1:05:25>> After January?

1:05:26>> No, before.

1:05:27>> Before?

1:05:28>> So, in December.

1:05:29>> Yeah.

1:05:30They can

1:05:31They can do it now?

1:05:32>> Yeah, we've had dozens of applications.

1:05:35Like, some are up.

1:05:36>> Okay.

1:05:37All right. All right. So,

1:05:39the information is you got time to do

1:05:42the paperwork.

1:05:43But you got to do the paperwork before

1:05:45January.

1:05:47And I'm here.

1:05:48>> Turn.

1:05:48>> Yes. Yes.

1:05:50>> Yes.

1:05:51>> That's the tax assessor's

1:05:52>> Okay. You got the application on the

1:05:54website.

1:05:54>> Okay. Well,

1:05:56so

1:05:58y'all see this gentleman or go on the

1:06:00website to get the paperwork

1:06:03for 2027.

1:06:08So, tomorrow

1:06:10y'all going

1:06:11>> We are.

1:06:12>> Yeah? Go see this gentleman right here.

1:06:14Right?

1:06:15Or in the board room.

1:06:18We want to process as we do our

1:06:20deliberation on

1:06:22making this

1:06:23public.

1:06:24You can make this public.

1:06:27Okay. Now, we get a form and I get it in

1:06:29here.

1:06:30We can do it.

1:06:31Get the form.

1:06:33You tell us this.

1:06:35Tell me your what the income is.

1:06:38We send you all the total of the permit.

1:06:42And then [clears throat]

1:06:43bring that in one down here.

1:06:45What the money is.

1:06:48>> Okay.

1:06:48>> Yeah, we can do that.

1:06:49And then

1:06:51the application is basically

1:06:53you know, it's like a

1:06:55you got your name, address information.

1:06:57And then you're basically just swearing

1:06:59to that what you're saying.

1:07:00>> Okay. Yeah, bring that.

1:07:02Yeah.

1:07:03>> Exactly.

1:07:05>> No, no, no. Where's your office?

1:07:07>> Yeah. Down.

1:07:10It says right here, right below where we

1:07:11are.

1:07:11>> Okay.

1:07:13I haven't been there.

1:07:15Why?

1:07:18Okay, baby. This is it.

1:07:20>> I'll go and tell the other one.

1:07:22>> Yes, thank you, too. Um, okay.

1:07:25visit. I [laughter] have a couple of

1:07:27questions about this.

1:07:28Now,

1:07:29the exemption

1:07:33would be sort of like the

1:07:37If the end is something were to happen

1:07:39uh would it still be hopeful?

1:07:42>> So, the

1:07:44What happens if

1:07:46the property is sold

1:07:47or the

1:07:49uh

1:07:50unit dies? Will the statute impose us to

1:07:54prorate the tax back?

1:07:58>> So, so it would be deducted

1:08:00>> Well, it would be the end of the

1:08:02exemption. So, they would So, we exempt

1:08:04the tax from being prorated.

1:08:07>> So, that exemption would apply.

1:08:09>> Okay.

1:08:09>> That's great. I wanted to know um

1:08:13Does that

1:08:14make a difference?

1:08:15>> It's something that would happen.

1:08:16>> Thank you.

1:08:20>> Question.

1:08:21How much is due?

1:08:24>> Thank you.

1:08:25>> Thank you.

1:08:39>> [laughter]

1:08:41>> Thank you again.

1:08:42>> Okay. Thank you.

1:08:43>> Thank you.

1:08:54>> [clears throat]

1:09:15>> Okay.

1:09:25>> Is there any

1:09:25>> additional public testimony?

1:09:29Is there any additional public

1:09:31testimony?

1:09:33Is there any additional public

1:09:35testimony?

1:09:37>> I move we close the public hearing.

1:09:39>> Second.

1:09:41>> All in favor?

1:09:43>> Aye.

1:09:44>> Any opposed?

1:09:45>> Aye.

1:09:46>> All right. Thank you.

1:09:47>> All right.

1:09:48I move

1:09:50I move one.

1:09:51>> Second.

1:09:53>> Yes.

1:10:05>> Um

1:10:07I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman.

1:10:10Looking for item number one for the big

1:10:12board here.

1:10:19This was the

1:10:29Item one is Mr. Austin.

1:10:32>> Eric Austin?

1:10:33>> Yes.

1:10:33>> Can you believe it?

1:10:35>> Yes.

1:10:36Mr. Austin,

1:10:37um

1:10:40I think

1:10:42his hardship was

1:10:46true.

1:10:47Um

1:10:48he did say that they had

1:10:51some money to pay.

1:10:53Um

1:10:55I

1:10:57My opinion, I think um

1:11:00we should forgive the taxes.

1:11:03Um

1:11:08I mean, I think he had a rough time.

1:11:10Um

1:11:11>> [clears throat]

1:11:11>> I think we should forgive him.

1:11:15That's That's my opinion.

1:11:25>> Welcome to the town.

1:11:26>> Yes. Um

1:11:29I'm willing to the legal way but there's

1:11:32something I

1:11:33um really think that this is something

1:11:36that

1:11:38I would like to say that we have that

1:11:41there is some extreme hardship and um

1:11:46it would be a a great hardship right

1:11:48now.

1:11:57>> I'm also going to agree with that. I

1:11:58mean, his monthly income was less

1:12:02than what the actual Even if we forgave

1:12:05the interest, we'd still be left with

1:12:08both of

1:12:10which would, you know, um

1:12:12it just doesn't equate with what he's

1:12:14paying in taxes and he won't be using

1:12:15the vehicle. He's in Oklahoma.

1:12:18So,

1:12:19I don't think that's difficult to do

1:12:21that.

1:12:23>> All in favor?

1:12:25Any opposed?

1:12:30>> I.

1:12:32>> Motion

1:12:36All in favor?

1:12:38>> Yes, um

1:12:40and

1:12:41finally something something which is

1:12:43false today.

1:12:46And then he's going to have

1:12:47the

1:12:49and

1:12:50have a test that's coming up next week.

1:12:53Um I'd like to leave to

1:12:55um

1:12:57exempt from paying.

1:13:00>> I second that.

1:13:02I

1:13:03I totally agree with that.

1:13:06All in favor?

1:13:07>> I.

1:13:08Um um

1:13:10Okay.

1:13:11Well, I completely

1:13:13agree

1:13:14that we wouldn't give him a second

1:13:15chance and that we're a second chance

1:13:17city without allowing someone to think

1:13:19that they can

1:13:21and, you know,

1:13:22not worrying about taxes but worrying

1:13:24about the fact that he can so that he

1:13:26can

1:13:27bring his dream to fruition and

1:13:30be able to produce certain stuff in his

1:13:31family.

1:13:33>> I agree with that. Also, I would like to

1:13:35add that

1:13:36going to harsh get something here for

1:13:38the city.

1:13:39I feel that

1:13:40I feel the city we should do what we can

1:13:43for our children and citizens of the

1:13:44community

1:13:46that we can. Um we really agree with

1:13:48that.

1:13:49>> Yeah.

1:13:51I'm [clears throat] not going to hold

1:13:51anything against him because you know

1:13:53all the war three.

1:13:55Um

1:13:58all the Everybody knows I'm never home.

1:14:00Nothing against him because he know. Um

1:14:02truth of the matter is we all deserve

1:14:04the chance to sit in here.

1:14:05We believe in him. We believe that he

1:14:07going to put his best foot forward. So,

1:14:09I'm in total agreement with that.

1:14:12He's trapped. We go to zero with him.

1:14:15And hopefully he be successful for him

1:14:17and his family.

1:14:18Um so

1:14:22>> All in favor?

1:14:23>> I.

1:14:24>> All.

1:14:25I.

1:14:29I move

1:14:30I move to table the motion.

1:14:31>> Second.

1:14:37>> You passed the motion.

1:14:38>> Yeah.

1:14:39>> Thank you so much.

1:14:40>> Um I move I move to table the motion.

1:14:44>> Second.

1:14:48>> Discussion?

1:14:50>> Yes, sir.

1:14:50>> Yes.

1:14:51>> That's it.

1:14:53>> So, um Comcast Um at this thing

1:14:58this is the second round um on their

1:15:00part.

1:15:01Um but they they put all the paperwork

1:15:03in and

1:15:05that they supposed to. Um

1:15:07you seen this before. Um they are

1:15:10getting in our community um and that is

1:15:13really thriving and they helping folks

1:15:15with careers, um not just jobs. So, um

1:15:19I'm I'm in total agreement with um

1:15:22giving them total you know

1:15:24the tax paying that they need to move

1:15:26on.

1:15:26>> All right. I'm going to give them that.

1:15:28I.

1:15:29>> With this perfect

1:15:31thing that they doing with the training

1:15:32that they doing with the kids who is our

1:15:34future.

1:15:35And

1:15:36And as I said, it was an oversight.

1:15:39I concur.

1:15:40That's very big of you.

1:15:42This is what happens.

1:15:46>> I believe that

1:15:48I also am in agreement. I believe that

1:15:50it was

1:15:52an unfortunate oversight. They're They

1:15:53were moving. They're constructing.

1:15:56Probably it was something that was left

1:15:58on someone's desk.

1:16:00Again, they are doing great things with

1:16:02the city. Getting it paid.

1:16:06An agency that

1:16:08is empowering our citizens to be better

1:16:12and to make our city grow. So, I would

1:16:15definitely

1:16:18be in agreement to a big yes.

1:16:23>> All in favor?

1:16:26Aye. Opposed?

1:16:28Eyes have it.

1:16:29I move I move item number six.

1:16:32>> Second.

1:16:35>> Discussion.

1:16:41>> [clears throat]

1:16:42>> The same

1:16:43thing. So, it was the same thing that I

1:16:45brought forward but it's the same exact

1:16:47thing as

1:16:49the item previously brought forward.

1:16:51They have already submitted the

1:16:53materials to the tax assessor's office.

1:16:56Again, an oversight of this, you know,

1:16:58biannual or every four year form that

1:17:01you have to fill out for the tax exempt.

1:17:03So, I am

1:17:06I you know, I agree. I'm for it.

1:17:11>> All in favor?

1:17:13Aye.

1:17:14Opposed?

1:17:16Eyes have it.

1:17:18I move

1:17:23>> [laughter]

1:17:23>> I move

1:17:24I move item number seven.

1:17:28>> Second.

1:17:29>> Discussion.

1:17:31>> So,

1:17:34This is something that

1:17:37is already in progress. It's something

1:17:39that people are already living there.

1:17:42They are receiving um

1:17:44>> You don't have a plan.

1:17:46>> kitchen

1:17:49Yes.

1:17:51Um

1:17:52you know

1:17:53He is he

1:17:55does serve

1:17:56a very low

1:17:58again veteran

1:18:00disabled folks.

1:18:04The long term 17 year but it's not

1:18:07something that we have never done

1:18:08before.

1:18:10It's pretty average for

1:18:12people that are building um

1:18:16buildings or salvagers of this

1:18:18magnitude.

1:18:19I would be in favor of

1:18:23the tax abatement.

1:18:25He's provided documentation in showing

1:18:28you know what he puts into this and he

1:18:30puts you know he made it very

1:18:32successful.

1:18:33Um

1:18:34he takes care of the property himself.

1:18:37And by not raising his taxes or not

1:18:40having the abatement he doesn't raise

1:18:42the rent

1:18:43which is important because it's

1:18:44something that the city right now we're

1:18:46seeing more rapid like these rents are

1:18:48going up and up and no matter how much

1:18:51affordability there is it may at some

1:18:53time become unaffordable.

1:18:55So I would be in favor of granting this.

1:19:01>> I am too.

1:19:03All in favor?

1:19:06So

1:19:08>> [snorts]

1:19:09>> the abatement you're giving reduces

1:19:13his annual tax

1:19:15to

1:19:17>> Mhm.

1:19:18>> You have to draw

1:19:21with gas.

1:19:22>> Mhm.

1:19:22>> What that number or unit is for

1:19:30That's what we're asking for.

1:19:33Um we both agreed

1:19:35to go with it but

1:19:37>> Can I ask you a question?

1:19:39>> No.

1:19:40>> Mr. Chair.

1:19:41>> No, I won't.

1:19:42>> No, Mr. Chair.

1:19:43>> Okay, yes.

1:19:44>> Mr. Chair.

1:19:45>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1:19:46>> All right.

1:19:48>> About how much would the taxes be per

1:19:50unit for this particular property?

1:19:53>> Right now, his annual taxes, according

1:19:55to the paperwork that he submitted, is

1:19:5713,000

1:19:59to 14,000. So, it's about $2,000 per

1:20:01unit right now.

1:20:03>> All right.

1:20:03>> One day.

1:20:05>> Are you

1:20:09>> Um

1:20:12And it was seven units, right?

1:20:14>> Correct.

1:20:21Take minute.

1:20:22>> And there's no recommendation that we

1:20:25have

1:20:26for

1:20:27this

1:20:30recommendation.

1:20:32>> Normally, the listing committee will

1:20:34recommend this. We have not had a

1:20:36listing committee meeting on this, but

1:20:38the number they're working with

1:20:39currently is 650.

1:20:41Uh

1:20:42for your unit

1:20:43per unit.

1:20:45>> So, it really doesn't turn out to be as

1:20:47much um

1:20:49And I I mean, I did my math. I just

1:20:51can't find it.

1:20:52>> No, well well, it would be a $10,000

1:20:56Yeah, he's saying

1:20:58>> I thought it was 7, 7,800.

1:21:00>> No, it would be seven units times 650.

1:21:08>> 4,500.

1:21:10>> And he's saying 14,000.

1:21:11>> Okay, so

1:21:13um

1:21:14Okay.

1:21:14>> Per year.

1:21:15>> Per year.

1:21:16So, it will go down to 4,500.

1:21:18>> Well, it could.

1:21:20>> It could if it was voted on. And that's

1:21:23So, he's still paying And he's paying

1:21:24taxes, regardless.

1:21:26>> This is These requests are always

1:21:28abatement, meaning you're taking

1:21:30something off of the taxes. They're not

1:21:33exempting them.

1:21:34>> Thank you.

1:21:36>> One day.

1:21:38>> Yeah, I

1:21:40Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1:21:42I think we should listen to the

1:21:44minister.

1:21:46Right? And and see what they say about

1:21:49the seven units.

1:21:50And

1:21:52make a decision from that process.

1:21:55Um I do know sometimes we don't go by

1:21:58what the list has said. Isn't that

1:22:00right, Aldine?

1:22:02>> [laughter]

1:22:03>> But I I think we should follow that

1:22:04process. Yes,

1:22:06that is

1:22:11Aldine Town.

1:22:12>> Thank you, Chair.

1:22:14Um

1:22:16Often times if these sort of uh

1:22:18represented

1:22:22what is normally the recommendation at

1:22:2460% that you just

1:22:26>> The number

1:22:28The number is the number. Like I said,

1:22:30right now we've we've been working with

1:22:31a 650.

1:22:34It's the number. It depends on the day.

1:22:35If the people come in and they make a

1:22:37case for

1:22:38less than that, you want to talk about

1:22:40another

1:22:40What number do you want to do?

1:22:42650.

1:22:43We've had as high as 1,200 and as low as

1:22:46450.

1:22:49>> I don't Thank you.

1:22:52>> Aldine Town

1:22:53>> Thank you. I You know

1:22:56I don't know what I got on this board

1:22:57now.

1:22:58Um

1:23:00You know, 650, right?

1:23:04We did 450 at one time. We did 350.

1:23:07Right?

1:23:10We're talking about seven units.

1:23:12Right? We're not talking about

1:23:14you know

1:23:15650 650 units. Um you know, we're

1:23:18talking about seven units,

1:23:20right?

1:23:22You know, if we did

1:23:25Listen to the 650. Let's say we did 450.

1:23:30>> [snorts]

1:23:30>> You know,

1:23:31what would that look like?

1:23:35>> What is the question?

1:23:36>> The question would be

1:23:39if we did

1:23:40450 instead of 650,

1:23:43what would the tax abatement look like?

1:23:46>> It would be less.

1:23:46>> giving him 45.

1:23:48Roughly $1,000.

1:23:53So the first really good business is

1:23:56already built.

1:23:57>> So

1:23:58um so over the 15 years

1:24:04Like that's

1:24:05um 7,000

1:24:07a year times 15.

1:24:08So

1:24:11Well, 7,000, right? [clears throat] So

1:24:12these are per unit.

1:24:13>> So 35 times 7.

1:24:15245,000.

1:24:17>> So what

1:24:18the difference would be would be to your

1:24:20question is if without the 50

1:24:22what this what the city's giving up

1:24:25is the 200 and 45,000 245,000

1:24:29and also setting the precedent for the

1:24:31other

1:24:33um

1:24:35Mhm. Cuz what

1:24:37is struck this is so what another agency

1:24:41will come in and ask for is whatever

1:24:43number we propose to this city.

1:24:45Um so that's just a consideration that

1:24:48you have to keep in mind when you you

1:24:51think about doing it. But that's to

1:24:53answer the question about how much

1:24:54>> You you you have no opinion for this

1:24:55question.

1:24:56I mean I I

1:24:58It could come back to you.

1:25:00Right?

1:25:01But

1:25:02let's be just try to be consistent.

1:25:05Let's do Let's do 650 and see what

1:25:07happens.

1:25:10Right?

1:25:11>> [clears throat]

1:25:11>> I still think it's he he needs to go

1:25:12through this process.

1:25:14Like he goes through all the processes.

1:25:16Let's just just see this property

1:25:19and get back to us before we make this

1:25:22Yes. That's just my

1:25:24That's my thing.

1:25:32>> Pardon my rudeness.

1:25:35So we're talking about this uh

1:25:37When do they meet and why why wasn't it

1:25:40time so that we could have had that

1:25:42information prior to

1:25:44so that we could set up a

1:25:46meeting

1:25:47>> Just some of the schedules of

1:25:48>> the people so listen to me to ask me

1:25:50then.

1:25:51What you need to you have since that you

1:25:53have all staff and you have all the

1:25:54time.

1:25:55So it's just a matter of scheduling

1:25:57that. With the summer schedule

1:25:59Something that

1:26:00>> Yeah.

1:26:00>> Yeah.

1:26:02But you have plenty of time between now

1:26:05to

1:26:07Okay.

1:26:07>> Uh my next

1:26:09My next procedural question is so

1:26:12tonight we'll meet here

1:26:13listen to the all

1:26:15Obviously we can't if we don't have all

1:26:17the information.

1:26:18>> You can do whatever you want.

1:26:22>> I guess I could say that

1:26:24that all the information that I need

1:26:26that I didn't feel like we were ready to

1:26:27talk.

1:26:29Um

1:26:31without that

1:26:33from list

1:26:34So when would they meet that we can

1:26:36bring this back?

1:26:37>> Well, I don't even know

1:26:39if you're only if you is

1:26:42list recommendation

1:26:43>> Yes.

1:26:44>> That's something to get this out of

1:26:45committee and then if you

1:26:47you have that conversation.

1:26:49When they when they have the

1:26:50recommendation of you want to accept it

1:26:52or uh

1:26:54that doesn't happen. Then you look at

1:26:55that at the board level.

1:26:57Uh

1:26:58So there's no new information to

1:27:00present. They're going to have the same

1:27:02information that you're looking at.

1:27:03They're going to look at it. All they're

1:27:05going to do is recommend that.

1:27:06>> Recommend.

1:27:07>> Enough.

1:27:07>> Enough.

1:27:08>> Yeah.

1:27:09>> And um

1:27:12>> And then you all will decide what what

1:27:14that number will be.

1:27:15>> Well, I understand that but then once

1:27:16they make that number how is that

1:27:18communicated to us at this

1:27:20at this forum?

1:27:21>> Oh, we can communicate that to you.

1:27:22Yeah, [clears throat] we we can send

1:27:23that out.

1:27:23>> And then how will we make a decision at

1:27:25this forum?

1:27:26>> Well, this is just a recommendation that

1:27:28you're making.

1:27:29Over there.

1:27:30So the whole board makes the decision.

1:27:32>> Yes.

1:27:32>> So the the the way the decision's going

1:27:34to be made is when it comes up.

1:27:37>> Okay.

1:27:38>> On the one day

1:27:41You said everything.

1:27:42>> Okay. Well, I was saying list the the

1:27:44last thing

1:27:46is actually 650.

1:27:50Um

1:27:51All right. So, you have this problem

1:27:53probably going to have for everything.

1:27:56Yeah, as you know

1:27:58Yeah, so I

1:28:00I'm comfortable with it.

1:28:02Okay.

1:28:04>> Um

1:28:07So

1:28:09Cool.

1:28:11Okay.

1:28:13Okay.

1:28:15>> Hi.

1:28:17>> Hi.

1:28:18>> It is kind of a difficult thing to

1:28:20discuss

1:28:21with the first lesson.

1:28:22On a small

1:28:24And if uh there's

1:28:29developers are looking

1:28:31Um if they're coming to

1:28:33>> [clears throat]

1:28:33>> present Wouldn't be like 50% be a

1:28:36reasonable

1:28:39>> No.

1:28:4080,000.

1:28:42>> Mhm.

1:28:42>> Mhm.

1:28:45Thank you.

1:28:46What? Um

1:28:48The agent is on

1:28:50project now that can

1:28:52It would be

1:28:53But as I I stated if we do

1:28:57for this

1:28:58>> I'm saying now.

1:28:59>> If I'm going to compromise

1:29:00>> Right. I'm saying more.

1:29:01>> Mhm. No, we won't.

1:29:02>> Um

1:29:03>> Mhm.

1:29:03>> I'm just wondering if

1:29:08if this sets that precedent now

1:29:12you have

1:29:13smaller developers on much smaller scale

1:29:17asking for the 650, which often times is

1:29:20on much larger scale.

1:29:22What I'm saying is

1:29:24because of setting that precedent

1:29:27it can be

1:29:28detrimental to

1:29:30Except when you're looking at the

1:29:31numbers and Sure.

1:29:33This is talking about 17 years.

1:29:36Mhm. So, I just

1:29:40I think 50% is reasonable. 200,000

1:29:44Maybe it needs to be

1:29:47It's still a big difference. And it will

1:29:49still allow

1:29:51for

1:29:53>> Well, we didn't

1:29:55>> for the project

1:29:58and all the other projects the

1:29:59recommendation from the state is now

1:30:02650.

1:30:07>> All right,

1:30:07I understand.

1:30:09But, I do you know, I mean

1:30:12I still remember that

1:30:14this is uh

1:30:18doesn't this particular case does not

1:30:20happen.

1:30:21And so, I think it's still the

1:30:25um

1:30:26that's going to be

1:30:29>> I'm going to get to you.

1:30:30I I I appreciate it. Thank you, Mr.

1:30:32Chair. I appreciate my colleague's

1:30:34thought process and I know what she's

1:30:35trying to get to. I really do.

1:30:37Um but, I think [clears throat]

1:30:40in the big scheme of things, we we need

1:30:42to

1:30:43I'm still going to differ in my vote.

1:30:46I need to be

1:30:47consistent. [clears throat]

1:30:49around this community.

1:30:51We got a lot of

1:30:52coming down the pipeline.

1:30:54affordable

1:30:55affordable housing and stuff like that.

1:30:57I think we

1:30:58need to stick to 650

1:31:01as much as possible because,

1:31:03you know, I was here a couple months

1:31:06ago.

1:31:06around this whole situation

1:31:09My

1:31:10uh my chair being away

1:31:12and away

1:31:13and we made a change to [clears throat]

1:31:15a property that

1:31:17he was adamant about the 650.

1:31:20And

1:31:22um you know, I don't want that to come

1:31:23back to bite us again.

1:31:25Right? Because the legislature said we

1:31:27shouldn't be a we should have stayed at

1:31:28650.

1:31:30And we changed it and you know, we gave

1:31:32him a tax abatement and everything.

1:31:35You know,

1:31:36I don't want to make the same mistake

1:31:37twice.

1:31:39So, I think

1:31:41we should

1:31:41we should stay at

1:31:42650.

1:31:44Because

1:31:45in the long run,

1:31:48it'll be better for all of us to do

1:31:50it that way. I'll be done.

1:31:54>> All in favor?

1:31:56>> Thank you, Sharon.

1:31:58That particular case we went into lower

1:32:01which sets a different type of

1:32:03precedence. We're still talking about

1:32:05uh this is this is not going to stop. If

1:32:08you look at the amount of recovery

1:32:11period, it is

1:32:13a lot in the future,

1:32:16you know,

1:32:1617 years. So, this is

1:32:20not

1:32:22saying I can't I think in this

1:32:24particular case we can do things

1:32:26differently,

1:32:28um but

1:32:29uh

1:32:30I guess the

1:32:31city approved it and I approved it last

1:32:33time, but that that works.

1:32:37>> Well,

1:32:39we can do it.

1:32:40>> And um

1:32:41so, just wondering

1:32:45sometimes I question some of the tax

1:32:47abatements

1:32:48which develop

1:32:50somebody's

1:32:51pocket

1:32:52is benefiting, oftentimes,

1:32:54the non-affordable housing that we're

1:32:56talking about.

1:32:57So, I'm just wondering

1:33:01different incentives in the name.

1:33:03>> Well,

1:33:04yeah, so

1:33:06so, thinking about the last one, right?

1:33:08We we we were so much talking about it

1:33:10could have been [clears throat] 100

1:33:11units,

1:33:12and that was total affordable.

1:33:15Like that that project was total

1:33:18affordable.

1:33:19Uh

1:33:21that was the agreement that got approved

1:33:22that came through [clears throat]

1:33:24and then a reason for more

1:33:26affordability.

1:33:29This is different.

1:33:32It's not a private residence.

1:33:34I

1:33:34mean, you're doing a wonderful job. I'm

1:33:36so happy.

1:33:38What are you doing?

1:33:39But I think the dollar

1:33:42dollar

1:33:44excessive way I understand it

1:33:47that

1:33:48you know, we don't need to

1:33:50be

1:33:51asking.

1:33:52Right? If we stay with the listed 650,

1:33:56it makes sense. All right.

1:33:59Any one of

1:34:00any,

1:34:01>> [clears throat]

1:34:01>> you know, because it's coming from the

1:34:04list here. It's coming from the

1:34:06It's coming from the advocate

1:34:09I know that we can do different things

1:34:11on this board. We have assets we talked

1:34:14about. But that was on a larger scale.

1:34:16That was like 100 units of affordable

1:34:19housing at 450.

1:34:20It was just totally different in this

1:34:22situation, though.

1:34:23My position is that we stick to the

1:34:26stick with the

1:34:28um

1:34:29you know, the three four wall

1:34:31um with um

1:34:35I did it.

1:34:36That's That's That's my baby. That's my

1:34:38decision.

1:34:44>> Any Any other questions?

1:34:46Okay.

1:34:46>> All right.

1:34:51>> All right.

1:34:53Any opposed?

1:34:54All in favor?

1:34:56>> Aye.

1:34:58>> Any opposed?

1:35:01Eyes have it.

1:35:04>> I move

1:35:06item number eight.

1:35:09>> So, all all that we have

1:35:11for you all is a letter from you.

1:35:14Come in so you can be in public.

1:35:16>> Mhm.

1:35:17>> All right. So, that's

1:35:19That's

1:35:20Good. Great.

1:35:23>> Okay. You just go.

1:35:25So,

1:35:26you

1:35:27>> Well, that's what I was thinking about

1:35:29doing.

1:35:30>> Mhm.

1:35:31>> Go ahead.

1:35:31>> You're good.

1:35:32>> So, number eight is a long day.

1:35:35Uh

1:35:36I apologize.

1:35:38The letter is

1:35:40This is a letter of veterans.

1:35:42>> Correct.

1:35:42>> Okay.

1:35:43So,

1:35:45but it it looks [clears throat] like we

1:35:47have to do something.

1:35:49I mean,

1:35:50probably. But

1:35:52there is an action that needs to be

1:35:54for them to get

1:35:56the appropriate

1:35:58uh

1:36:00uh

1:36:01exemption.

1:36:03Am I right?

1:36:04>> You're 100% correct. They would need to

1:36:06be

1:36:07That's my

1:36:08That's that.

1:36:11>> Okay, for it to be

1:36:13So, if we we didn't file, does that get

1:36:16that to the table?

1:36:18>> No.

1:36:18This This doesn't get it to the table.

1:36:20Okay.

1:36:21There has to be a separate communication

1:36:24that asks for that particular

1:36:26>> Okay.

1:36:27>> I'll get

1:36:29>> Okay.

1:36:32So, I've got to

1:36:34So, a motion has been made to read the

1:36:36file.

1:36:38We waiting on you?

1:36:39I make a motion to read the file.

1:36:41>> Second.

1:36:43>> Discussion?

1:36:46All in favor?

1:36:47>> Aye.

1:36:48>> [clears throat]

1:36:49>> Any opposed?

1:36:52>> I make a motion to adjourn.

1:36:53>> Second.

1:36:56>> [laughter]

1:37:05[laughter]

1:37:07>> You did good.

1:37:09Job well done.

1:37:13>> Yes, sir.

1:37:16>> Thank you.

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