2026-10-15 - City Council Work Session

>> Good morning. Welcome to the city of Kars spring special meeting today. Thursday, OCTOBER 15th 2026. Will the clerk please call the roll? Councilmember Casey here, Councilmember Crow, Iverson care,

councilmember Donaldson. On his way in route. Councilmember gold. I Jim present Councilmember line waiver on his way. Councilmember raining. There a member of his lane on his way. Once a member

Williams here, 6 present 3 on their way. Moving on to item 2 a will the clerk please read item into the budget work session. Good morning. Good morning. Honorable members of City Jen Van City budget

manager. Today. We will discussing the 2027. >> Budget. And we very much appreciate the opportunity to go through the budget today and some of the specific details on 27 and the plan. All right. So

we'll start this morning with a brief. >> Overview of the budget. We will go through kind of at a high level revenue. >> Expenditures will be talking about our cip projects and then we will move into

presentations by some of our larger department. So we have police. We have fire this morning and then take a break for lunch. And then this afternoon, we will have park's public works an airport and

then we'll have wrap-up. So that's our day today. And I thought we would start just by talking about. >> Overall, the >> budget process and just kind of how we got here to the 600 plus page document

that you have in front of you. The budget process really is a collaborative process involving all of our departments. It starts in MAY and concludes in OCTOBER and really what we kind of do through

that process is have a lot of collaboration with all of the city we meet with each apartment to talk about really their needs, what their priorities are for the budget, some of their high-level items

that they would like to identify. We go through multiple prioritization processes which will talk about here in a moment. Ultimate ultimately that culminates into the in MAY, we have a kickoff both

for Cip and our department JUNE. We move into some of our prioritization processes and we kick off the budget process with all of the city directors and managers. In JULY departments really work on

preparing their budget requests in these are the items that they want to see funded or hope to have funded through the process. And those are submitted to the budget office for our prioritization

processes, which we also due in JULY in AUGUST. We are working on budget balancing and then also our revenue projections. You'll hear more about that here shortly in SEPTEMBER, we preview the budget

both the directors and managers and also with the council and then in OCTOBER, we released the budget on the first Monday in OCTOBER. And so that's kind of the entirety of the budget process. As I

said, it's very collaborative we're having lots of discussions on needs and priorities. Moving into our prioritization processes. We have 3 main prioritization process is so the first one is for our

capital improvement program. This is really to look at all of the capital project needs 4, particularly the general fund for all departments that have projects and would like to submit projects. We

kick that off in APRIL to MAY. And we have prioritization committee to essentially score projects review projects, evaluate those and ultimately rank them at the end of this process in JUNE,

departments are working on projects submissions and so they can submit up to 3 projects for consideration for funding and they submit those to the budget office and then in JUNE, those departments are

presenting their projects to the committee. The committee is represented essentially by each department that has projects and so it's it's a committee of departments and their peers and they score

projects based on a set criteria that is provided by the budget office. Once the scoring happens, rank those projects by score and then those are utilized essentially to make a list of ranked

priorities for possible funding. And so we utilize that when we're looking at available funds. In the process. And so that is our cip prioritization. We also have facilities prioritization. So this is

very similar to capital projects. We have a facilities maintenance committee that was established in 2014. The committee could consist of each department that has facilities that they manage in the

city as well as other departments that have representative so communications fire. It opposite of accessibility planning the police Department risk management and the budget office. So all of those

members of the committee are hearing again, presentations for facilities needs and then they are also ranking facilities requests an a priori that prioritize order. And then that is also used to

inform funding decisions for the process. And then finally we have the general fund prioritization process for our operating this includes salaries and benefits excuse positions and also other

operating needs and capital outlay. Department submit these requests again in about the JUNE time frame and then in JULY, each director is able to present their top 3 priorities to the group of

directors. Those are also prioritize ranked order. And so essentially what this leaves us with is a ranked list from I think this year it was one to 37 to be able to consider for funding. This is

presented to the mayor and leadership and formulating the budget and again, we're looking at available resources and where we can kind of fit. Some of those prioritize needs not always necessarily in

the general fund. We could look to other funds as well. But this is directly used to inform funding decisions. In the expenditure. Overview of the budget document. You will see a list of all of our

budget requests and this is essentially the requests that were not funded through the budget process. I think it's probably like 3 or 4 page lists. It includes request and any positions that were

requested to the process. You will also see an overview of all the items that were funded. And this is really are kind balancing. She you'll see revenue. You'll see all of the items that were funded.

All of the particularly department items included in that list, went through one of these 3 prioritization processes. So they were rain in the prioritization process selected for funding based on kind

of their ranking in priority. All right. And I'm going to turn it over to share to talk a little bit about revenue. >> And just for the record, Jen, is 645 pages in the Dock. 645 pages great a nation.

At a mall. Don't worry. Thank you. >> Good morning. And members of city Council, I'm sure McDaniel chief financial officer and I'm going cover the revenue section of our presentation for each day. So

we've talked a little bit about revenues so far. But this overview that for our sales tax funds. We are projecting a 2.8% increase from our current and of your estimate. And I know that have some

questions about how our how are those calculated? What do take into account? >> If there's we some software that we use an how does what we have now on our projection differ from that software and why

would that be in kind of what is it that formula that we look at? So we do evaluate the current and historical trends. So whats been happening most recently and what's been happening in the past. We

do utilize a forecasting software that generates a revenue forecast for us. And that is. >> Mainly looking at that historical information that we have and the way that those models work typically is.

>> The the most recent history tends to be waited a little bit more because the closest forecast of the future is the most recent past type of a thing. But it does. We have years of information in

that forecast model. And so what? How that differs and why it differs the if we look really at what came out of our forecasting model, it was forecasting about a 4.3% increase. From our end of your

estimate and given all of the information that we know about economic indicators, consumer sentiment, unemployment, we didn't feel comfortable bringing forward of 4.3% increase that seemed too much

too high for the environment that we see in the economy both locally nationally and of course, globally. And so we do look at economic indicators such as home sales gdp, consumer sentiment,

unemployment, interest rates, building permit data. And given all of that information and that there is still. Quite a lot of instability in the market. Lot of variables moving around fuel prices,

inflation. We didn't feel comfortable bringing forward 4.2% increase that we take into account all of these various indicators and conditions that we're seeing around us. And that's than what we used

to spring Revenue estimate based on all of those things together. So it's not necessarily that we take what's the revenue forecast? The software spits out minus 7. Plus to you know, we don't have an

exact formula. It's really the amount of variability we're seeing or stability or not. And what conditions are in our environment. And that really helps us formulate. Then the sales tax forecast. So

you know, and also. We look at. What kind of funding are we needing to what we need for salaries, what we need for capital projects for facilities needs and say, you know, is that how much money is

that giving us? Do we feel comfortable going from 2.5 to 2.8 and and look in combination with those economic indicators and how comfortable do we feel? And then we also, of course, I think is, you

know, we talked to it's a Paso County going to be doing what is the state doing and taking into account. And so really 2.8 is. We think a very realistic and perhaps a little bit conservative of an

estimate as we move into 2027. So we're quite comfortable with the 2.8%. Other revenue projections that we do. We have property tax. Of course. Property tax. It does. I think as you all know, have its

own Tabor calculation that gets applied and just to property tax. So right now, our property tax pitch projection is increasing by 4.5%. And that basically is close to what that tape are allowed

growth would be. So that's how we budget that property tax and anything beyond what we're allowed to grow under Tabor calculation, then we are providing back as a property tax credit on our residents,

property tax bills. And so for the 2027 budget, we do included in the levee credit of 1.0, 0, 7, mills. And that's to stay below the Tabor. Allowed growth rate for property tax, specifically. Excuse

me, I'm sorry. Might my screen is dark so I could ask the question. Thank you. >> When you're looking overall at your projections on sales tax to you, break out sales tax at all by category. In terms

of your projections, when you get down into the weeds of it, or do you just look across the board? >> I we do pay a lot of attention to the categories of sales tax. >> There are. >> We have a number

of categories and I'm not going to remember. >> 10 or 12 or something. But there are 4 or 5 of them that are the biggest dollar drivers. >> And so I look very closely at those top 5. They make up

about 78% of the total sales tax revenue. And so we do pay a lot of attention to that. And coming to the end here to this year in 2026. Most of those indicators have a positive growth from not only

the current from the same month of the prior year. >> But also year to date they are showing positive. And I think there's. Only one actually that is not in the positive, but things like retail

restaurants. And actually even building material are all tracking. Collections are more than they were to this point of last year. Now, I know we have building reports that are coming in there. You

know, not looking all that stellar. So that's part of what we're also considering. We make those adjustments. Okay. That's good to know. Thank you. Yes, absolutely. For 2027 and I'm going show a

little more detail on our property tax revenue, but providing that one point, '07, militant credit is providing a 9.4 million of revenue that we are not collecting. Due to that 11 credit. So that's

property tax relief to homeowners and property owners throughout our community. All other revenue. We also do for testing on that. And these are adjusted based on factors such as histical information

in historical actions coming in in the fee increases. We MAY know about and other information we receive some of our revenue estimates from other entities, for example, our Highway user tax fund. It

is the state shared revenue so they provide us with those estimates road and bridge. And live, of course, comes from the county. COUNCILMAN Remy. >> Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT, for in the second

bullet there. The stay below taper, property tax cap. Is that the 5.5% kept that you're referring to there or is it a different number? >> It is not the 5.5 because we're a home-rule city. We are not

subject but we are subject to the city Tabor, calculated limit. And so it's a different calculations is not the 5.5. It's based on what's called local growth and inflation. And that's the formula we

use for Thanks. So we look at the general fund revenue overall by expenditure category. So this is the entirety of the General Fund revenue and broken down by our main categories. So sales and use tax

coming into 2027. It's 58% of our general fund revenue. We have property taxes, 6% other financing. Sources. At 10 rebutted and all other. For 23%. That all other category. >> mainly things. >> Like

charges for services, licenses and permits. It's just all of those other smaller buckets kind of combined. And looking at a little closer on the amount of change from year to year for those same

categories for sales and use tax. We are increasing by 18.5 from budget to budget. So what we looked at previous see what we're talking about with the 2.8 was from end of year estimate to budget. And

now what we're comparing his original. 26 budget. 2.27 budget. So it's a little bit of a different comparison. And that's why we see a little higher value there. So from original, 26 budget to 27

budget sales and use taxes increasing by a 2 and a half million property tax by that 1.2. And then our other largest category is re budgeted. And that's increasing by the fall now because we did not

have revision. 26, we do for 27 and I'm going to talk about specifically what's included in that report here in a second. Well, that's right now. Actually. So we have that a couple. The number of

things that are included in what we are re budgeting and with that budgeted means is we had revenue coming in 2026. Was not budgeted. He was above budget. And were carrying that forward into 2027 and

a couple of These as we go through for very specific purposes, we've talked a little bit about the sales and use tax received in 2026. That was above the budget. That's 9.2 million. So were pulling

that forward into 27 for use on one time items and those one-time items are transfers to our workers. Comp claims Reserve funds our capital improvement projects. We get capital improvement. Projects

pretty drastically. And 26, so we're putting funding back for 27 and also pd vehicle replacement was also had reduction. 26. So we want to put an infusion back in for that. We did receive some one

time one time in. 26 funding for some capital improvement projects. The majority of this 2.8 is the interquest and federal intersection improvement that Pikes. Peak State College funding. It was

received in 2026. But we need to fund the project and 27. So we have the money. And 26 and now we're appropriating in 27 for that project. Specifically. COUNCILMAN Thank >> On one time expenses, the

first line and getting those putting it into those funds that makes sense to me. But can you just talk a little bit about like, what's the what's the level that you're trying to keep those reserves

at, if you will? >> For the workers, compensation and claims Reserve funds. >> They are funded by. >> All of the other funds of the city. So, for example, the workers comp every single payroll.

There's a charge against every department's budget for the workers comp associated with each. Position and the classification of the position and it gets church, for example, to the general fund in

finance. We get charged each payroll for the workers compensation associated with each of our employees. And that sent over to the workers come fund. Same with airport cemetery. All of the enterprise

is not utilities. And so what that does is that is used to fund the workers compound. And then any time there's a workers comp claim it gets processed out of this worker's comp fund. And so that

funding really is just backed by the general fund are backed by those other funds. And so right now, those actually both of those funds are little bit in the negative. That's why we're making this

payment over there so we can make sure that they have sufficient funds over there. It's not going to completely take care of claims Resee claims Reserve. We have over the past couple of years. I

believe we've had some conversation about. We really need to increase Transfer to the claims Reserve. But just because of budget issues, we felt like we couldn't. Those claims are obviously still

getting paid. It's not that they're not getting process or pay. They are. And the general fund is the backstop for that. But what we want to do is just try to make those as whole as we can. >> Keep it

at a healthy balance, if you will. N without getting too specific, like what? What defines sort of the healthy balance in those categories? >> Yeah, and we don't necessarily have a definition. What

defines a healthy balance is that they have enough revenue on an annual basis to pay the claims in that year. You're just so checking what? Yes, and we have a can. A little committee. That means and

we talk about what anticipate the claims to be both for workers comp and our liability claims. And how much money do we need? And then that goes same as those other prioritization processes that comes

back and we look at it as a whole and we're prioritizing and putting the puzzle pieces together for the and sometimes those France don't get fit in. Thank you. But we thought this would be really

great time to try Put a little infusion into those funds since we had that one-time funding. We can send that with one time. So again, on the capital improvement projects, the majority of the 2.8 is

that under question, federal intersection improvement. We also marksheffel improvement that we received some funding from ppr. See a small amount. Can we need fund the project in 2027? So that's just

the revenue coming in exactly for the project that we're budgeting for. We also had insurance proceeds received in 2026. For a purchase property that had some damage. And we need to carry that into

2027 so that they can the funding received for that. We're just going demolish a building. So those are very specifically the things that are included for the 12.3 for that read budgeted. It's very

specific revenue particularly in those 2 cases being used very specifically for those projects and for the sales tax being used for very specific. One time things. MADAM PRESIDENT. COUNCILMAN, yes,

please. Busy studying those numbers. Good. This is good spring training. I'm just curious in prior years you haven't. >> Highlighted or delay needed re budgeting number process. And curious, I know

that in prior years, many departments of understand their budgets. And so there have been excess revenue, excess dollars that have been swept forward into other budget. Why highlight? The 12.3 in this

budget cycle as opposed to just handling in the same passion that you have previously because of the specificity around how you want to spend those dollars and 27. >> In the past couple of years, for

example, 26 25. We didn't have any re budgeted revenue. And so we weren't talking about it in those processes because we didn't include any and we did. I think. Maybe 24, 5 had a drop from fund

balance. That was in the budget. We did not have that in 2020 6. And so. We wanted to highlight it because we wanted to assure the council, first of all, it's a lot of money. 9.2, just the sales tax

revenue. And then 12.3. So that's a lot of money. And what we wanted to do is be very clear. And transparent about what exactly MAY set up and what exactly are we spending it on? Because that's one

time funding. So we wanted to be very sure and reassure the council and anyone the seeing in our community that we are using one-time funds on one-time expenditures so that it's very clear. We're

thinking them very clearly too, as a way to. Help provide assurance that we're not taking one time funding and using it on an ongoing expense. So we just wanted to be really clear about it. And

particularly given that its 12 million dollars. >> Yes, so that's the dollar amount. Said. And so again, I know in prior years whether you've highlighted it or not, there have been instances where

departments of under spent their budgets. And so that just gets rolled up into the general fund carried forward. Even in the normal budgeting process. >> And the way that that would be handled is that

that just falls to the General Fund fund balance. So any under expenditure or some revenue that came in over budget. Then just goes to the General Fund Fund balance. And that's we're going to have.

The Thunder on site here in a second. The talks about what? What is our fund balance? What is our reserve and how much is in there? So we track that obviously very closely. We have targets for that.

We have goals and so that. Goes to the fund balance. And that's the same with each of these funds that we have any fund that we have if they have revenue or budget or expenditures under budget. Those

state within that fund and they then go to the reserves and that then is available for use in other years. When we budget for it to this would be perfect opportunity for me to use one of my favorite.

Going to me not to. So I do it. >> Okay. Thank you. Can you mute? He's COUNCILMAN Donaldson. >> Yeah. Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT. And good morning. My apologies. Been a few minutes later as coming

from the mac meeting and then that one a little bit longer. Is a real specific question. Do you know the demolition? You know, the 0.3 million. So 300,000. Is that the structure kind of near Corpus

Christi Church. >> I think it would be Beacon Street. >> Because I drove my the other day and it's it's the one right along the trail that we did by the railroad tracks and it has some like the

plywood the windows. There's holes cut in like what is going on there and then? >> I don't know the street location. I only know what does the new MISS Matic building. When we have conversations with.

I believe it is. But I do believe it's up near a trail. So I believe we're talking about the same thing. Yes. >> That's good. That I mean, especially for cspd this year. It has holes cut and then

plywood, which was covering the windows. So that. Either something that we don't want to happen is happening in that building or else is getting ready to be demo. Checked. Good news. Thank >> ok,

going to get into just a little more detail on a couple of the revenue categories. So for our sales sales and use tax overview for the general fund only this is simply a graphic display of what we

have are even talking about. So this displays on the left-hand portion of the craft, the 2026 original budget. Which is a blue car. And then the end of your estimate, which is that I'm going to call

it orange fire. And if your estimate is about 9 million more and that's where we get that 9.1 or so. 9.2, I'm sorry. It's there on the graph. So that we make comparisons then to the 2027 forecast. And

so what I wanted to do is just graphically display when we're talking about we have 2 different comparisons. One, we compare 2027 budget to the original. 26 budget. And we compare the 27 budget to the

current and of your estimate for 26. So this is just graphically displaying it to try to help visualize those 2 comparisons that we're talking about. So the box on the top outlined in Orange is that

end of your estimate? To our 2027? Budget for sales and use tax. So that's where we're getting this 3.5% or 9.3. And I want to clarify that. I had been saying This is displaying 3.5. The reason for

that is the 2.8%. 7.3 million is that ongoing revenue. And that's what we're talking about with the forecasting and how we come to that 2.8%. We also have new revenue included in the 2027 budget,

which is associated with the 2 new sales tax positions that is new revenue based additional enforcement efforts for our sales tax team. We did this a couple years ago where we had couple of people and

we had a revenue increase associated with that. And we're doing that again. And 27 adding a couple new people. And this is the additional revenue associated with that. So that equals. 0.7% of this

change. So we have the 2.8 from the ongoing revenue forecast. Plus 0.7 for that new revenue associated with the 2 new sales tax. And for positions which brings us to the total of the 3.5 Sheree is

that's how new revenue. Is that less? Their salaries is set to total without. >> Those new positions towers set to true up number. So what we do is we booked the full amount of revenue expected and

then on the expenditure side, we have an expense for their salaries and benefits. So this is the full revenue because we need to appropriate the full revenue and on the expenditure side, you're going

to see where we at those positions and expense. So if we take the revenue and net off those expense, then it would be about 700,000 each or not more than that. But we have to put the full revenue and

the full expense. So those are values. 700? No, I'm sorry. And I'm not saying the right. I apologize. That's 3 positions say okay. I just want you back it out. Then. >> You put the full and then you

back it out on the other side is what you're saying. Those at the expenditures and then those 2, yeah would net out. >> It's a plus to the revenue. But yes, Then also for property tax. Just a little

bit of history on the property tax revenue as well. For 25 26 27 in each of these years. We have had a military credit that we have provided. And for a 2027 again that Levy credit is 1.7 mills which

equals 9.3, 7 million. So the property tax revenue anticipated to be collected. He's in the blue portion of the bar for 2027. That would be 28.1 million for the general fund. And then I will quickly

cover the General Fund Fund balance and a little bit history on that from 23. 24 25 and our estimate for 26 for 25 ending the year. The reserve balance was 91 million, which is and the way we

calculated is that 91 million as a percent of the next year's expenditure budget. So what this is basically calculating is what Persian of expenditure budget could you cover with the reserve account?

And that is 19.8% ending 2025. And coming in to 26. We estimate that amount to be 21.8. So we you've heard us mention a number of times our government Finance Officers Association or gsa way. That is

our professional association that we look to for best practices and guidance. Guidance or best practice on fund balances for a general fund is 16.7%, which is 3 months worth of. Read 3 months worth of

expenditures being covered by your reserves. Goal is 20%. So for 2026 ending the year we anticipate having 21.8% so doing well. There. This is also one of the things we look at when we decide whether

or not we want to use some of the revenue. Over budget in. 26, can we use that for every budget? Pulling in just 27 and we feel comfortable doing that because our reserves are looking good. So we

don't need that necessarily to go into the reserves to have that cushion there. We feel comfortable pulling that revenue forward into 2027 because we're doing well on the reserves. Counselors, thank

you, MADAM PRESIDENT. So that goes exactly to my earlier question or comment is that? >> Should have you chosen not to read budget those dollars? It would have gone to the the Reserve fund. And I also

just want to comment and you've heard me say this last 3 years. I'll say it again. >> The >> In industry, average of 16%, 16 point whatever percent. Is fine as a as a sort of benchmark or a metric.

But I've always advocated for a higher level reserve dollars percentage. And I think Mayor Suthers prior for the same reason that because we are so susceptible to the ups and downs sales tax revenue,

right? That's the majority of our revenue source. Very unpredictable, very unstable. It's not like property taxes. More predictable year-over-year. I think it's very appropriate to try to target that

20%. So I appreciate you continuing to maintain that policy going Thank you. >> Any other revenue questions, perhaps engine. Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, yesterday. Curious, do you have a practice of

kind of going back from your projections over time and just been reviewing. >> The accuracy of your projections and how you know, just curious if you do that and what you learn when you do that, we

do. >> And that gives me a perfect opportunity, which I should have done. It's beginning to introduce the budget team. We have. Nick Courtney and currently. And this is our budget team there. The one

responsible for the hefty document. You guys get to look around and they do work with all through the year with all of the departments. But the revenue forecasts with helping departments put together

their expenditure requests. And so I want to thank them. They do a lot of hard, very hard work to try to get that document ready. We don't make decisions until the end of AUGUST beginning of

SEPTEMBER. And then they have to put that entire document together by the beginning of OCTOBER. It's a very heavy lift, literally workload wise. So I want to thank them very much. They do an

incredible job to thank you. And currently is the one who runs our sales tax models. And yes, she has very diligently over the past couple of years. Look at how are those models tracking? How good are

they? What is the deviation from the actual to what was forecasted and has really hunted down and looked at yeah. In those forecasting models there, it has different methods for forecasting and she's

really gone through an identified which one puts out the closest projection to what ends up being an actual. She's on a lot of work to do that because over the past couple of years, of sometimes

actuals have varied a lot. So she has done that a lot. And she's very, very good at it. And so yes, the answer. >> That's great. Thank you, Carly how would you and if you want to answer for Carly are

currently wants to answer. But how how like if you were to grade yourself you know that that forecasting like. How close it you got what you I don't know how you >> measure that, but you want to

answer to you and me too. >> just thought I'd give the opportunity. They're like, don't colony >> Its getting better and better. And so the more that currently gets from earlier with those forecast

and the more she's tracking that, the fine or 2 and we can get it. And we had a number of years ago we used another type of modeling, a couple of different things that we were all looking at and

combining and based on her determination, her analysis of the actual versus a forecast. We ended up ditching those other 2 because they were not providing us good information on the forecast and

really narrowing it down to which ones are the ones that we really need to look at because they're giving us the best data. That's great. Best practice. Thank you. >> I also want recognize Kerry.

George is my assistant finance director. And at this this is her last budget. She's retiring at the end of DECEMBER. And so will be losing her. So I want to say thank you for all of her guidance

issues on that actually runs the department. So she has a lot, lot of work on her plate. So I appreciate her very much. Any other revenue questions. Wonderful. I'm going to turn it back over to Jen to

walk through expenditures. >> Some moving on to expenditures. We in the general fund have a total expenditure amount of 465 0, 5, approximately million. And you'll notice this number as we included it

on the revenue side so that we have that balance budget as required. So of that 465 Million. We have approximately 337 or 336 million or 72% and salaries and benefits and pensions. We have operating

of about 110 million or 23.7% capital outlay of about 4 point 3,000,000.9% and cip and projects about 14.6 million or 3.1%. So looking at those same categories and really this will give you the

comparison of 2026. And this is the amended 2026 budget. Versus the 2027 budget. And what that changes in each category. Salary benefits and pensions increased by about 19.1 million. This includes

increases for compensations step increases the city's share of benefit and pension increases. And any new positions added operating increased by about 8.8 million. >> This includes contractual

increases for areas like it, transit fleet facilities funding the parks restrooms. Any other operating increases that we included? We have capital outlay increased by about one point 5 million in cip

and projects about 8 Million. And so those include items like apparatus. We have an affordable housing project that funds are offset program. Park structure demolition. Sure. I had talked about on the

revenue side and some of those other projects related items. So that gives us a total increase in the general fund of about 38.2 million. Moving on to some of our specific categories. So civilian

compensation. We have really kind of 4 different categories of adjustments that we are making. And funding in 2027. We have the removal of furloughs which talked a lot about up to this point. And that

is adding about 2.5 million in the general fund to remove those furlough days for 2027. We have classification adjustments. This was not funded in 2026, but it is included in 2027 that targets

individual jobs that are significantly below market to move those classifications up in the salary schedule. So we work with our hr partners to look at kind of all of those classifications. They do

studies on classifications and comparables across the market and really determine which of those classifications are significantly below. And in the case of 2027 we're targeting. I think it's about 15

to 20 different classifications. That would be moving in the schedule until that equates to about 200,000 of an addition. Pay for performance. This was not funded in 2026. We are including it in 2027.

This is an average increase of about 2% which equates to about 2 Million. And this is related to essentially performance process is employees must receive be successful performance to be able to

receive these increases. So again, for those employees, it's about 2%. And then we have paper aggressions. This is essentially meant to get employees closer to the market average of their

classification employees can receive up to 4% and 2027 and it's only 4 employees below the market average in their classification. And it is effective on their job anniversary date. Last year in 2026,

we funded 2%. And this year we are including 4%, which is the typical average and what we funded in prior years. This equates to about an $812,000 ad in 2027. So that is on the civilian side has been

rainy. Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, in regards to the classification adjustments, I know you just mentioned 15 to 20. >> Different positions for that is that outline anywhere? >> And we do not have it

out. Specific plan which classifications those are all though it is in the salary schedule. You'll see all of those classifications outlined in the salary schedule at the end of the document. But we

do not have that direct comparison of what classifications. Those are okay. It'll be coming to city council in a separate item. The city Council approves the salary schedule each year. >> And when we

have that item, you'll receive a redlined version of the salary schedule. So you can clearly see what has changed from the 26 scheduled to the 27 schedule. >> We'll be expecting that. >> You will be

expecting that the second work session in OCTOBER. Well, and or we bring it at the market. I think I think it comes yes, Micah, use will you'll have it by the time we're doing the markup session. Ok?

Thank Thank you. Chair. Ok, moving on to this one side. We have sworn compensation and this is specific to fire. We have again, those classification adjustments. >> We do not have dollar amount here

that is captured in that the 200,000 the previous slide for the total classification adjustments. But there were a couple of those classifications in fire that will be adjusted on the salary schedule.

So those are included. Previously. We have market adjustments. These are increases based on rank dependent upon how far the ranks are from the market average. And so we do not have a standard

percentage share. It really does depend on how far those ranks are from the market average and they will be moving in that way. And that adjustment is about 2 point 3 million for those market

adjustment and fire. We also have stepped progressions and step progressions are fully funded and that is when we have the rain moving up on us. A set schedule from, let's say a firefighter for 2

firefighters, 3. And so that is funded in 27 about $300,000 of an ad. And then we have sworn compensation and this is specific to police. Again, we have those market adjustments. Similarly dependent

on how far the rank is from the average for the market that equates to about a 3 million dollar ad and then we have stepped progressions for about 1.1 million dollar ad for police COUNCILMAN Hand Jim.

Thank you. MADAM 10 any chance. >> The search straight numbers to you have. And idea of percentage wise how much closer we're helping our police and fire. >> Get to comparison of the front range as

you certainly know, we're losing folks to other departments because we're really behind. For for payment for police and fire. So. >> Do you do know that you have that by percentage like we're going

from? I know. And I know it varies depending on the market. And I know that's a complicated shake. Your b# . >> Yeah. I thi for 2027 and I'm gonna love to share it check me with this number. But i

think we get them to one 3rd of the way to market can correct. So I don't necessarily know then where that behind the market because it would depend on the rain. Come right. But each drink is moving

about a 3rd of the way from where they are a 3rd of the way to the market. So that's going to penned on East rink. And I don't have that information. Ok? And you know, the percent that trend is

moving. But I don't know then how far that leaves them away from the market. >> In terms of long-range planning, is there a plan to? Like a 3rd the next year and the 3rd the next year or how are you?

What's the plan for getting to market rate? >> each year particular at particularly our confrontation. We do look at kind of independently the availability of funds into looking at our revenue and the

unknown expenditures that we have been look at the amount of funds that we have to work with each year. We also received from h r the essentially the recommendation as far as getting both civilian and

sworn ranks either closer to market pay for performance. All of the things that we've kind of been talking about here and so we take a look at the 2 of those and make a determination on the level and

which we can fund confrontation, holistically, inclusive of what portion, you know, would be sworn in for Mark Adjustment, step Regressions. And then what can we do on the civilian side? >> I'm

guessing this is where we need to start talking about revenue says yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And just for clarity is that one 79? I mean, is that is that the pages under an >> I'm not camp

have if you under fire in our books, that's where that is right. Under that. 78 1.79 she's referring to when you see those. >> But you did and then amendment. That's where we find to see the

percentages. To answer your question. Is that correct? I can find that there. >> You can see that total. So we have the total compensation laid out on page. 56. And that's holistically. And then each

department, mayor didn't include out for yes, but fire police, a portion of the salary and benefit increases would be due to confrontation. Right. And I do see the pieces to break down. That doesn't

matter to me that where it's coming from. It's just to Nancy's point. Where's the percentages of in wears the needle moving? And we don't specifically state in the budget document. The percentage

increase by rain. >> That's not included. But we do include the dollar amount. That's what I saw. Yes, okay. I want to make sure those COUNCILMAN Donaldson. >> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, MADAM PRESIDENT. And

good Morning, Jen. Many on that on that same topic that's a concern of mine. I think several of us up here talked with the representatives from the fire department, not those who are in the room right

now, but about concerns that although there are increases in pay and there, you know, as a percentage, it's it's not a small number. It doesn't really we're treading water. We're not making making up

the difference with other departments which are. Essentially taking are trained. Firefighters from us and they're going there for less work and more pay. So. You my concern is even this year we MAY

need to do a little bit more to offset that so that there is a little bit of progress made and not just kind of treading water and staying about the same distance behind the others that we are because

this year will lose even more. Officers in both. No fires become. A focus of mine here recently. So I think we'll probably get into that more in the actual fire block. Is that right? >> Yes, I believe

they do plan to speak of it to the uk. >> That all hold any other discussion unless you want to add something else to You can't. Yeah, looks like you're Okay. All right. Thank you so much. >> ok, so

moving on to benefits. >> For 2027, we do have medical plan. Premium increases increases to both the advantage and premier plans. And that would equate to about 2 to $60 per paycheck, depending on

which plan employees elect. >> This also. >> If you look at the city share, this is an increase of about 4 million dollars. >> To the general fund for medical plan premium increase. So we have

additional information here about benefit update. Our hr team, I believe, has shared information out on on this. But we have an enhancement to medical network. There are increases to short-term

disability, but also decreases to long to severe ability and no changes to dental and vision. So moving on from the general fund and looking at are all funds. This is inclusive of. >> Our enterprise

funds, all of our permanent fund, special Revenue funds. It does not include pp, rta some of internal service funds will look at that a bit later. But are all funds by funding source. We have a little

over 1 billion in all funds expenditures largely made the general fund is 465 million of that. At 45.4%. We have grant funds about 187 million at 18.2%. Our special revenue funds at 19.8%. Just a bit

over 200 Million. And then we have our enterprise funds at 16.5% or 100 and almost 70 million counselors, Lee, thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT. >> He said that this doesn't include pp rta funds. But when I

look at the public works expenditure budgets, that obviously does include pp, rta funds so that walk us through how you reconcile that. Yes, will look here in just a few slides at all funds by

department. And that doesn't ppp rta effects. So getting into some detail on some of our funds. We have our special revenue expenditure budget. And so this will give you those funds as well as the 26

budget and the comparatively the 27 budget. Ctf for Conservation Trust Fund. That really remaining pretty stable. Only about $100,000 increase from 2020 6. We have our tops funding that is increasing.

This is, of course, largely based on sales tax. And so as you saw with the general fund sales tax increase, we also saw an increase here in top stands on the expenditure side they're able to increase

that as well. We have our alert funding relatively stable, stable about a $200,000 decrease in the overall expenditure budget for 2027. We have our to see road rate improvement fund again, sales tax

base. So this is increasing by about 6 million over 2026. Public safety sales tax. Also sales tax base. And this increasing by about 7 million for 2027 and then we include pp rta here just to

illustrate the change since it is such a large funder of our capital and maintenance. And that is increasing for 2027 by about 5 million dollars. And then we move over to our enterprise funds. We have

a number of enterprise funds across the city. Many of them reside within departments. So you will hear from some of those departments later this afternoon, particularly Park's public, works an

airport. And so there will be information included in those presentations, specific to enterprises. We overall, though, saw airport the expenditure budget decrease by us. A slight amount in 2027

cemetery. A slight increase development review, a slight increase in 2027 and then we have our golf enterprise, which includes Patty Jewett and Valley high. That is increasing by approximately 2

Million. Memorial health system enterprises remaining largely the same parking is decreasing by about 7 Million. And this is do really to capital projects, included in 26 that are not included in 27.

Pikes Peak, America's Mountain remains largely the same. And then the storm water enterprise is increasing by about 11 Million. And just of note for the enterprise funds. These totals do include

grants that they're anticipating and also capital improvement projects. And so many of the increases decreases are related to those items. Moving on to level of effort. On page 79 of the budget

document you'll find our level of effort calculations and 4 level of effort. These are really related to either ballot items in which we had to maintain a general fund level of spend for specific

initiatives. We are maintaining a a level of spending. The general fund just just support that specific area. So we have 3 identified here. We have our ppr t a level of effort and our transit level of

effort and the base budget for those 2 items is the 2017 spend 4 transit transportation. And so the blue bar in both of those charts, ppr, tea and transit, you'll see that that is the requirement. And

that is based on the 2017 budget expenditure number. The Orange Bar indicates what we've included in the budget for those respective areas in 2027. So you'll know that for both pp, rta and Transit. We

are significantly above the maintenance of effort or level of effort requirement. And then if we look at ps St the requirement is to have at least 47.6 5% of the general fund allocated to public

safety in 2027 in the budget. We've included 56% of the budget is specific to public safety and this includes it for radio functions that are specific to public safety as well. Moving on to grant. We

included in the budget this each year, Grant's appropriation. And this is really anticipated. Grant awards and any respective match funding needed to meet the grant requirements. And this is

essentially just anticipated grants that we've either applied for or plan to apply for and that for 2027 equates to almost 187 million, you'll see that a large amount of those grant Grant anticipated

about 64% are in public works specifically city traffic, engineering and transit. And then we also have included in storm water for grants. The next largest we have is airport for about 36 Million.

And those are specific terminal improvements. Tax to a rehabilitation, rehabilitation large capital projects, housing and homelessness. Response and police really our next largest. For grants. I just

wanted to note that these are necessarily solidified. And so these are anticipated, although many of these are competitive grants that we are applying for We know there is a likelihood that we MAY not

receive them and we do not start spending on these awards until we actually receive a grant. So any unused appropriation at the end of the year is just not utilized and it does not carry forward into

the next fiscal year. COUNCILMAN Hinton. Thank you, Jim, for that. >> That explanation and I'm assuming there. Probably grant to apply for that. Maybe don't even make it into year expenditure. Maybe

not. But how do you how do you determine what seems more likely to actually put in the budget book for expenditure given, don't know. >> Yeah, that's a great question. So we we really look to

departments to tell us in the budget office, what they've applied for and what they anticipate. And so particularly for large grants, we want to make sure we capture those and those that we feel we

have a high likelihood of receiving. We know that there are grants that departments will apply for that. We just don't know about right now. Knowing where 18 months or so ahead of the end of 27. >> So

>> it kind of net out when you look at what we apply for that we might not receive what we don't know. We're going to apply for and really at the end of the day, if we were to exceed this amount, we

would be coming back to council to request a supplemental appropriation. So that's kind of how that process would work throughout year >> I recall and, you you typically highlight which positions are

grant funded. So it's kind of clear for the most part, which things in the budget book are are grant related, correct? Thanks. >> Okay. So moving on to our all funds and this is our all funds by

department. This does include ppr t a and our internal service funds. So again, you can see that public works. That significant portion of this pie at about 34.5% or 400 and 21 million total. We have.

Airport at about 120 7 million police at 192. And that includes all of their funding sources, fire and oem at about 10.5% or 102. 28 Million. And then parks, recreation and cultural services at about

70 million or 5.7%. I also didn't want to indicate that this doesn't include trez is so all of those enterprises we looked at in the prior slide. Those are included in these numbers. So all funds by

department in total is about 1.2 million. It's different from the prior side because it doesn't include pp, rta. And then moving on to our personnel summary. And this is just specifically for the

general fund, the 2027 budget includ about 2300 positions, 2,326 and largely the the largest portion of position count you'll see is in police and And oem. Public works and parks. And so those make up

a large portion of that total position kept. I also want to mention that we do have a list of those positions that were unfunded or funding was removed in the 2026 budget. We do have a summary for all

of those these position counts do not include those positions because they are not funded in 2027. COUNCILMAN Jim. >> Thank you. This is helpful Rath and I don't think I see it at least under the

expenditure section. Would it be possible? I need to just get. Copy of this that I can put in the book. Yeah, we can try fix. Thank you. >> And just for my colleagues knowledge, I asked who I believe

these were sent to us. Was lights. Yeah. The slides were sent to us this morning. So we have right and sensible one out that I can stick in here. You want to? >> All right. So now we're going to move

into our capital improvements program or cip. And we're going to give you the cip information just in couple of different ways on the next few slides over a couple of graphs. And so this graph

displays are 2027 all funds cip by funding source. The total often cip is about 329 million for 2027 largely that is made up of. >> pp rta funds, which again, we don't necessarily appropriate. But we

do include here because it is such a large source of funds that the city utilizes we have to see road tax, which is almost 80 million and about 24 0.2%. And enterprise prices make up about 80 million

of the cip. We have grants that fund our cip projects at about 32 million and then the general fund and about 13 million or 4% of the total COUNCILMAN River. >> Yeah, I was trying to notice Is parks

in other. >> Parks has a project spread across the general fund tops ctf npp rta. So car. >> It's Topps is a totally different piece. But yeah, acquisition land and somebody that's but. >> But the but

I mean, there is nothing here for parks. >> I think that's a great transition to our next slide, which is are all funds by department. And so this is funding illustrated by department, which could

include so, for example, Parks 10, 10.1 million, approximately. And that is made up of all of the funding sources that are provided for parks. Which include general fund top ctf in ppr t a is there.

>> Break out for that 10 million because that's not the number I was able to come up with came up with 525 fouls. >> We do have a breakout. We do not having in the presentation, but I think we could

share those projects and the funding sources that make up those projects. >> Because I just got to resurfacing swimming pool and then. $25,000 for. I forget what it was. For the master but they put

together. So I did. I didn't really see anything else that was related to parks. But if there is more, I I don't I don't know where that 10 million >> So we can share that list, certainly. So again,

the Dolphins being about 329 million, the large majority, of course of that is in public works at about 269 million or 81%. Again, that includes pp rta to see. So those are 2 large sources of funds

that fund public works projects. We also have airport again, that has a large portion. Also, parks, it support services and our office of Accessibility, which funds ada projects. All right. So that

that concludes Cip and also our overview. So certainly able to take any other questions you might have at this time or we can move into a break. There are no questions. I don't see any questions. So

let's recess for a 10 minute break. Thank you. Thank you for recess. Welcome. To the city Council 2027 budget work session. We're back in session. Good morning. Chief. >> Good morning. PRESIDENT Pro

Iverson Pro Tem Drizzly and council members. Thanks for having Chief Adrian Vasquez here with the police department. And today. I'm going to talk to you about a lot of different parts of the police

department budget. I know you've got to stare a lot of this stuff, but there's so much information. So I wanted to start with talking about our or chart and sort of give you layout of how many people

that we have for in the budget side of police department. Starting with my office, office of the including myself. That's about 13 people investigations. Special Operations Bureau has 351. And if you

think about all of our investigative efforts, whether it be something like a homicide, sexual assault crimes against children marmol per more practive units like motor vehicle theft that you see a lot

in the news. Our professional is Director Edwards. That's where a lot of our administrative folks are. That's going to be our hr department hour, our finance and those kinds of things are internal

affairs. Operation Support Bureau is going to be Deputy Chief Jensen. Actually now Deputy Coke, which which those and that's going to be where a lot of our administrative functions like management

services fleet and those kinds of things are Patrol Bureau is a deputy Doug trainer. Porches are for patrol division to 577 people that all equates to about 1213 authorized positions, 139 of those are

sworn side of the house right now. We're sitting about 768 officers of those 139 and 374 civilians. Right now we're sitting about 353 and 113 authorized positions are and are calm. Center were sent

about 108 right now calm center, which is really showing up in our call. Answer times, we're seeing the best call answer times that that I've ever is great. >> COUNCILMAN Donaldson. >> Just just want

to be sure the numbers jot and downright chief. But good morning to you. 7.68 out of 8.39, correct, right? Correct. What's the gap there? That's like 40. You probably some the. 70 some 72 or 3 with

over short. A plea. How does that compare to a year ago? Were sitting about the same. Now we have won academy. >> As as you remember, the numbers include those that are in the academy. So anybody that

we're paying for basically, well, we have won academy going right now here on I believe it's NOVEMBER 9th. We start another Academy of 35 ish people. I think it is. So those numbers been slightly

depending on attrition between now and the next few weeks will bump probably slightly above 800. And then we'll start lowering that again. But yes, there staying pretty equivalent. I do think what we

are starting to see, though, is with that education requirement dropping. The MARCH Academy will be the first academy that that really fully effects. We do have the highest number of applicants we

that we've had in the last 4 years. I think it is vying for a Arch Kennedy, some hoping to see those numbers creep up through the 3 academies next year. And so that that's good news. >> Out in

Huntsville, I spoke with a gentleman who's from Douglas County and when I mentioned, you know, having some. It's a challenge to fill the slots. Even though we have the slots, we have the pay. He was

Israel skeptic on is like, Wow, we got we get more. Catholic. And so we know what to do with all our and he didn't sell their positions were filled us what he was implying. And so he kind of a rolled

his eyes. How would you respond to that? What's the difference between Douglas County Sheriff's Department Cspd as far as filling slots and attracting? Applicants? I think. >> There's a couple

differences in operation which which I feel is less important to response. But it's important. >> Is that a sheriff's office has a lot of their deputies staffing, a typically, which is a different

job. And it's it's potentially easier to get people in that job touch or fly ball. For example, he's been fully staffed for the most part over the last couple of years. So similarly, that sort of

sheriff's department operation is a little bit different. We have for for a police department is is only going to be those officers that responded to calls for service out in the street. But the

second piece of it as you're probably aware, Douglas County is a relatively well off county. It's doing very well. And so when we see those numbers, whether it be Douglas County or the numbers up in

the metro area, I know that officers are come our current officers and I would assume officers that are looking for a job or people looking for a job as a police officer are comparing those points.

You know, how much are they making up there? I know the ppa local 5 and our Sheriff Chief Roiland. I have have talked a lot about that disparity that our officers are well aware of. >> ok, and piece

of it. And I so you just said that to him pay is it is a piece of right? Thank you for that. Sorry to go on Florida Council. My side bar right away. >> Yeah, I you know, I I understand that there's

pay difference when sworn in on storm like the community service officers and stuff like that. But I've never asked like what is this? What is the pay for a typical police officer? Give me a range and

then what would be the range of like a community service officer, which is, you know, that kind of backup tight individual. So, you know, we look at Rangers are other coonents. You know what, what am

I looking at? It like the ranges there? I've always kind of been curious are never asked that question. >> Well, all I look committee or Heather get tenants. Some numbers on Cso is but for police

officers. Do you have that hurt way makes >> Hi, Heather. Edwards, our police Officer first class make 100 to $1000 so that the >> the top of the police officer. That progression. >> Recruits are.

Asked this is comparisons are. >> Are you talking about comparisons to other agencies? Know nobody actually comparing sworn versus non sworn, you know, like community like the community service

officers. Okay, which drive around with Green? >> Yeah. >> or community service officers that have to pull up their exact range. But they're about of the $60,000 And that would be are we have We have

Cs, the ones which stay inside that are at the substations kind of do, though the Watkins in their season two's are the ones that you see driving around turn that dream cars. >> So it's just shy of

love. Double, right? Just shy double. I just never understood that correlation. The this is appropriate time to ask it. And the cso job. Obviously they're not responding to anything. That's a known

danger There's Yeah. >> Excuse me. To pay back on Councilmember line with his question when you said 102 k first-class over top, we're talking about someone who's graduated the academy they're coming

first line on on and their step. Dustin number, so 102 would so the Peace Corps or police press officer for us are the ones in the academy. Once they graduate, they become a 3 and then on an

anniversary to and once they're up to that full pay, they've been on for about 3 and a half years. Total therapy wonder police officer one and that's when they're 102,000. So I would make the

assumption in the we're talking somewhere between. Doing public Matt here and for about 90 to 202 k overnight scaling time frame is is that accurate assessment? So jumping from 60. I think about 66

the yeah. Up to 102. So in the academy they're going to be in the Mid 60's and that 3 and a half years up ok, thank you. All right. This is dolphins history. And this is going to get picked where we

went from a 2025 in 2, 2026, and then for 2027. And it's going to show, as you can see in blue the General fund the ps St in Red and then grants in Green. One of the things that you'll notice in the

bottom right corner, I said, are authorized. Strength was 139 and then 374 civilians. The reason that the numbers a little bit different on this slide is because 13 of the positions that we have are

paid for by the airport airport in a price. We have one sergeant and 9 officers out there that are paid for subtle. A 10 officers bringing us up to that 8.39. For MAY. 29 and then we have to see Essos

and one c s r that are also out at the airport paid for by the airport. So that's the 3.71. Plus 3 not brings to our authorized 3.74. The number that you're seeing in 2025, which is 12. 22.5 versus

the 26 numbers, which is 1200 shows a change of 22 and a half total employees. The reason for that is if you recall in 20 25 going into 2026, we froze 13.7 5 positions as a cost savings carrying that

into 2027 day, they will still remain frozen. The other 8 and half positions are 8.7 5 positions. We're a result of us taking fleet and facilities and moving our personnel as well as a chief royals

over to city general so that they just joined those positions over at City general. And then we lost 2 positions or we basically got rid of our chemistry positions, which were the other 2 positions.

So that's why you're seeing the decrease in total numbers from 25 into 26 27. This slide is an overview of our. How are 28? 27 budget is broken down in general fund. You see that we have about 78% of

our funds at 150.0, 4, 5, 7 million rps St 16% were 30.6, 3, 3 million going over. Grants were about 5% and 9.3, 1 million. And you know, the benefit of the retail marijuana coming at an estimated 1.8

million dollars. You MAY have noticed that we did increase our overall budget by about 11.9 million dollars from last year. We had that one 81 million for 2027 a little bit of a bump there because of

the retail marijuana that wasn't presented at 2026 budget because it came in after the budget presentation. This increase is primarily attributed to 5.9 million dollars increase salary and benefits

that you were briefed on 3.9 million dollar increase in contracts. And that's everything from our wireless service communications machine apparatus, software and the Axon contract. And then 1.1

million dollar increase in one-time funding for improvements. And this is basically attributed to a higher ps. St increase coming in. That was was reallocated to 2027 one time use, which we hope to

use for our capital improvements. Things like the generators that we need facilities improvements, those types of things. Slide. 5 is our police department funding by function. The slide broadly shows

how the 2027 budget is broken down by function. As you can see, the vast majority of our funds go to patrol. 40% of overall funds are 73. Roughly. 74 million goes into a patrol divisions. Our Special

Enforcement Division, which is where all of our tactical assets, our swat team, regional explosive Unit k 9 unit as well as our municipal Security motorcycle unit. All of those sort of specialized

enforcement units. Within that division. Vice narcotics is really our Metro Division. I sent you press release this morning that talked about a seizure, for example, that falls in the types of

investigations under vice narcotics. But it's much more broad than that. We also have things like all of our proactive units for motor vehicle theft unit are violent offender unit are robbery unit are

all housed within our Metro Division. And that's where 9% of our funding goes to our crime lab is about one percent at 2.6 million investigations is about 8% at just over 15 Million. That's where

you're going to see our homicide unit. Us are crimes against children are sex, assault, financial crimes, all of those types of investigative units are housed under investigations. And then our com

center at about 5.5, the reality of the com center is that with the ps St funding for the positions. Those stipends that you've heard about that really been Apple over about 10 million just over 10

million dollars for a calm center. But out our normal funding, our general fund ps Sto 9-1-1, dollars or 5.5 million dollars. And then our impound lot is at one percent evidence unit at one percent.

And then sport management services at twenty-six percent. COUNCILMAN Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT. >> Chief on the impound lot. Can you remind me why there's such a drop in that expense and also if we

get any revenue from the sale of those cars. >> So one of the reasons are the primary reason that you're seeing that drop is that we changed our policies and practices around impounded vehicles. What

we were doing is if a police officer was impounded vehicle, even if it was not evident re, it would be sent to our impound lot. So we would have these tow contracts that we're taking 9 evident re

vehicles. Let's say they were in a crash but they were really evidence and and taken to the impound lot. That was really a drain on us. We were spending a lot of money out of her own pocket to doing

that. Our evidence folks came up with this plan to do a contract with tow companies where they would take the vehicles to their own lot and we would not have to store them. And so right now as it is,

unless it's an evident re vehicle, it doesn't go to our impound lot any longer. >> And in doing so then do we not? Do we have we ever auctioned those cars? And do we still do that? >> I think we are

still doing jobs. At this point in time, I don't know for making tech to have a sense of how much we're making a pose. >> Yeah, we could up to week is not. Yeah, but it's just not. I don't think it's

a tremendous amount. Okay. Great thanks. COUNCILMAN, rainy. Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT chief El Paso County. >> And I don't know if going on wrong track here when it comes to the crime lab already

leveraging using our crime lab enough. So do they contribute any funds to the crime lab? They do. It's a regional crime lab say have people there. As matter of fact, for example, one of the

supervisors and our crime lab >> Pasco County employee. So we do share that on a regional to included the expenses around >> And I guess for budgeting purposes, we do capture that from a regional

perspective, not specifically from this city budget, correct, Thank you. >> I wanted to talk a little bit about the department priorities. We've talked a lot about staffing. It still remains

incredibly important high priority for me. The staffing, whether it be impacted by the level of calls for service to that our officer c in comparison to somebody like Castle Rock or a lone tree or

some of the smaller agencies that get paid more than us. We saw recently not not too long ago, as I think in the 1st quarter this year, Uccs and the ppa. I got together with us did a query amongst our

officers about the things they wanted to see most and and what they said in that report was that they wanted to that they are aware of and wanted to see better pay in comparison to those metro units.

So we know that is one of the impacts for our staffing. We are doing everything that we can from a quality life perspective. I believe as well as just making great decisions on how we place in

Colorado Springs. And we're seeing a much safer city as a result of that. But for us to impact things like car parts have more officers out in our parks have more officers in the downtown area. More

officers on our homeless operations team and are directed activity. Response teams and all of the things that we really want to do and that would include the issues that we're seeing quite a bit

around. Our street racing and little motor bikes and be able enforce all of those kinds of things. I think we're doing a great job with the staffing. We have. And I know we're doing a little bit of a

study right now to figure out what the right number is for Staffing remains the number one priority for me. Technology I wanted to talk to you about not because I think we need more technology. That's

not what I'm here to talk about. One of the things I just want you to be aware of is right now technology is really being viewed in a different light. And that's primarily because of artificial

intelligence. I know you're all aware of the things Every everybody uses the term flock cameras and what they're really talking about is automated license plate reader cameras. We don't use flock. We

stop using flock back in about MARCH of this year. But we transitioned to Axon Alpr cameras because it allowed us to really dial in how to use those cameras, you know, legal and ethical way. It really

allowed us to write a contract and really dial specifically around the areas of community concern. We're spending a lot of time right now. Developing messaging and a way to get that information out to

our public to help them understand how we're using alpr technology. One of the things I want to make sure that we do help the public understand that. Not all of Axon technology, for example, is I it's

not yell Alpr cameras. It's not. You we have a drone flying overhead. It's not looking at you and there's not this facial recognition thing happening and it's not tracking you. The technology people

are concerned with are really that one lane right now as far as what we're hearing about. So the reason I wanted to talk about technology is simply to let you know, we're spending a lot of time right

now to make sure we're doing it right. Make sure that we're following the laws that we are also listening to the community to make sure they understand how are using it, that we're transparent about

it. You can go on our website. I've sent you that before. And we're continuing update our website to make sure that we're we're sending the right message in answering the questions that the community

has around around that technology. It's been a huge benefit for us. I can't envision how many crimes have been solved in a much more expeditious way. Then they would have been solved before. And if

you think about your flip phone back in the day. Your flip phone did what you need to do. You could call on it. You could sit there and hit one button to get to the tea or whatever is your text and

you could do all that stuff right? But I bet you don't want to go back to that flip phone because of what your smartphone does. It's using the technology appropriately ethically within the law within

good policy and with community in mind. As far as our capital needs. That is something that we have to pay great attention to. We know that we have roughly around 5, 5, and a half million dollars in

capital needs right now. Just for existing facilities. So certainly we're looking out into the future and understanding that as we grow as a police department, we're going to need another substation.

We know that our next is just, you know, almost to capacity. If we don't disposition evidence quickly, we're going to need more room are in our evidence. Annex. We want a training facility because we

know that we have to cram people and our current training facility. Those are future needs and they're still a priority for us. But as important or maybe even more important today is the fact that we

have a lot of facilities that that are in great need of repair. If you think about a 365 day, 24 Hour-a-day operation bring in prisoners doing all kinds of police operations. It wears on our on our

facilities and our vehicle. So our capital needs or something also paying great attention to. And the last thing I wanted to talk to you about was quality of life concerns. I bring this up every year.

Categorized quality of life as the things our community really is. A struggling with and they're that there could be things around our homelessness situation. And how are police involved in that? It

could be or a modified exhaust, the noise that you hear from motorcycle, zipping around the city or loud exhaust on on altered vehicles. It could be those motor says scooters and electric bikes

zipping around and wondering why are the police doing anything about this? I've tried to send you a lot of information about the deployments were doing. One of the great things about the technology

benefits that we're seeing is that we are seen more time for officers. We're seeing our officers being willing to get out there on overtime. Oftentimes to deploy out and impact anything from expired

tags to all of these other issues we're hearing and that you're hearing from the public. And so we're doing everything we can about that right now. And we are expanding over time for that. But we're

seeing also a really good impact. I hope you're hearing it from your constituents. Also. And with that, I think other than questions you might have. That would be chief royals next up, COUNCILMAN

Casey. Yes, go back to the technology. It seems like a Pasco County Sheriff's Office came to a different conclusion regarding the use cameras. Take a look at what decision quarter word of the reach

out does that change your viewers that incorporated year? >> Which you talked about the putting controls and suffer? >> You know, I thank you for that question chair for Leon could. And I quickly

talked about his statement you know, the the flock cameras were The flock cameras first and foremost, they didn't have as many controls as our axon cameras. He's right. It's it's one of the reasons I

bring up the flip phone. Could we do? Could we solve crimes? Could we go back in time and do things the way we used to do that? We could. And that was really very specifically what a statement was. We

can solve crimes, how we used to solve crimes. My conclusion is that. If we have the technology available and it and we're using it appropriately, why would we not use this tremendous benefit? Its the

example of truly going back to your flip phone versus your smartphone. Why would I do that? Yes, it's legal. If it's ethical, if it's authorized, if our community exception, I understand one of these

days, our community MAY not. And if they if they decide that if if we get a told that we are no longer and the state MAY do it. Obviously, this is a huge legislative piece going into 2027. MAY say,

hey, you can no longer use alpr data, then so be it. We get rid of our flock cameras. As a matter of fact, we built that into the camera into the contract with Axon so we can get away with it. But

really what Sheriff Floyd Ball and I talked about was a couple things. One, their contract was almost stepped. He feels like legislatively. We MAY not be able to use it in the future so he didn't want

to renew his contract. And that was the primary reason he came before you. Thank you, Sir. >> COUNCILMAN Donaldson. >> Yeah, thanks, MADAM PRESIDENT good morning. Chief. In that last sent those few

Senate, you said, you know, we'll get rid of our flock cameras. But we don't really have flock cameras that we have a tax on. >> All right. Up comes okay. >> You talked about we're solving crimes more

efficiently like this. Are there some crimes you think we wouldn't have been able to without? Alp? Ours are the technology that we're using. >> It would be hard to see if we wouldn't be able to solve

them. Right? Would we have eventually get there? >> Probably. But here's tick what I envision happening as I as I walked through an investigation. You might have a license plate and therefore

individual identified through an lpr camera. That happens very quickly when I don't have that technology, investigators are having to go out onto the street to see who has cameras that MAY have

captured something and spent a tremendous amount of time. If you think about the example that that I often uses that to your all being kidnapped, we were able to get information really fast. What

would have ended up happening is that we would have had blanket the area with a bunch of people and expand many, many more resources that would have taken a tremendous amount of time. It's not about

the time we have to take, but it's about what happens in that time. Who knows where that child might have ended up. Who knows when you have there was a violent sexual assault in Kuwait out off of not

too long ago. Our real time crime center was able to look at data were able to launch drones will look at Lpr systems and they were able to identify a vehicle because of that. I don't know that we

would have ever solve that or at a minimum taken quite some time to be able to do that. Using older investigative techniques, the benefit of it. But is every single day? I can't walk down and our real

time crime scene real time crime center and not watch them do something that we would have been able to do as expeditious 2 years. >> What kind of effort is there? 2 for pr about that for publicizing

it. Almost on a weekly citizen. See the upside. To what you're doing or what we are doing versus just the concerns about privacy. >> That's a great question. We are currently currently have a working

group with a chief of staff other folks from Com's our comms. And we're putting together not only a pr strategy. Now we have a lot of information that we're putting out just through our normal

channel. So ira Cronin, for example, with pd doing stories, deputy chief coach has done quite a few stories. I've done stories. We're trying to get it out through traditional media, but also trying to

make sure that our Web site is continually built out. So anybody, for example, anybody can go on our website today and they can click on our drone program and see every single drone flight that

happened in the last week or 2 weeks or whatever they can watch the path. They can see how long it took. They can see where that drone idled. They can see all of those things right now. Today they can

hear about our body-worn cameras. They can hear about our drone, our lpr systems, all of those things are very visual on our site today. We're continuing to build that out. But there's also a stronger

messaging, a program that we're trying to put together right now. >> Okay. And I think it's really important because I think if if things are popping up on local news once a week or in the kids that

are on spoke, social media not waiting for them to come to us to get the story or go to our Web site, but were sending something out. >> That will help. That will. >> Explain to citizens like why is

this worth concerns about privacy? What difference is it really making? Because I believe it really does make a difference. And I think it's it's going to it has saved lives and will save lives. And

it also it's. >> You talked about it lays quality of life, but it allows pd to deal with things like the motorcycles that are racing and we can. We can follow him with a drone and then and then get

that guy at the end. Right? And addresses. Dangerous behavior. Citizens really do want that. With a loud muffler, the racing. And, you know, we've talked about this, the street takeovers, which is

really sure parking lot takeovers in Colorado Springs. It's not just their quality of life like. >> It's >> not really dangerous. Kind of wage this year are perceiving it is unpleasant. Give you the

example of my wife when I got sworn in the last time and she was at the swearing in and she walked out or the car with with my daughter. There was a guy who is, you know, homeless guy and he's

mentally not not right. He was on one side of the car, you know, coming towards her and she was on the other and they had to basically take, you know, they had to walk in different directions to get

away from him. That's to me. It's more than quality of life. That's actual date danger. She doesn't know what's going to happen. And and honestly, you don't know what's going to happen. I don't know

what's going to happen with that guy. If he gets within arms reach of her. When I wrote you know, the bikes with the that water cycle tore down the Midland trail. For people, you know, smoking crack

under a bridge and there are other. I was surprised, other, you know, heavy smell of marijuana in with other people standing around in different locations. It's not just. This is like having not so

nice furniture that's quality of life. It is a sense of just disorder in the city and so I think it's not news. You need to be a. Decision by municipal government that we have to do more. To address.

Behavior that I thing brings on more behavior like that. It just. No one's doing anything about this. We can do more things that are technically or they really are there against the law. Nobody's do

anything about the drug use under the bridge, which you know, regular citizens walking, riding bikes, everything through there. So. That just catches my year when I hear it described as quality of

life, life issues, illegal behavior which we're ki of. And it could be through because we're short short officers. We don't have the bike patrols to go out we used to and deal with it. But I think we

we have to, if not, it contributes to just more illegal activity. Feel free to respond to any of that? Well, you know, I agree with you. I think this is when I talk about the technology will take us

so far. >> At some point in the ground, you get some point. You have to have people there to stand. And, you know, the balance that I I have to decide as do I pull people from homicide unit and motor

vehicle theft unit to add to our homeless response. It is trying strike the right balance with the number of people we have. That is where we need more officers out on street and then perhaps goes

back to where we started with a >> 768 out of 839. And we had in 120. We could we could that. So we need to fill fill those positions. Ok? Thank you. >> Cancel my mother. I remember a discussion. And

I don't know it was last year. My b# in the air before about using technology to help our patrol officers big be more efficient, particularly with the amount of time to fill out reports. >> Stuff like

that. Have you leaned into that kind of work? I mean, cause if we can keeps, you know, an officer, if he can finish report, you know, 50, 50% quicker, he's got 50% time on the street crying. Have you

looked at those kind of technology, things? >> Well, we are seeing the technology that we're using when we think about it. Acts on contract people think Alpr they think rounds body-worn cameras. It is

way more than that. The axe on technology is it by SEPTEMBER of next year is is when we expect the full suite, the full suite to be implemented. But it it is. If you remember part of the frustration

in time was that officers had to go in and they put in multiple the same the same information about a suspect. Lets say into multiple different site and that was taken so much time there and a lot

into these different sites. That's what Exxon has put is providing for us. So through the course of time to now and then through SEPTEMBER of next year, we'll have a technology that allows them to do

everything within one sweet, a project. And we're already seeing the benefits of that. A party. One response times or as low as I've ever seen them. So right now, a party one response times are

answered. Call answer times are down to under 11 minutes for a party. One call answer down to 10. 59. Those kinds of things in our response times are truly just decreasing decreasing. That's in part

because of the technology that we've implemented because they're able to do things much faster. So we have more officers out there. But the other benefit that you're seeing talked a little bit about

it is now we have time for officers to do what we call officer initiated activity. It's where you see those deployments where pulling officers because they're not all answering calls for service

anymore. And now we're deploying to to these other types of situations like street racing and things like that. So we're already seeing the benefit from it. >> I mean, that's a key part about

technology. I think I just wanted focus on a little bit is that there are other benefits. So and I didn't understand that vaccine was was. One whole suite of things which included like the reporting

that to do. >> Even as part of like our internal affairs programs that they use. That's now in axons week Zen City, which was quit the company that we would use to to ask questions about trust, please

trust crime and things like that. We can now do that will be able to do that with Axon and left to pay for that isn't city contract as it does so much more than just those things. Okay. >> And then

I'm trying to understand the you know, we've been discussing the 9-1-1 authority and the whole deal of that. Are you comfortable with where we're kind of moving? I mean, I think just like to hear

updated statement about what impression is about. What's happening there. Are we going to get a fairer shake, you know, from funds? Could there's a reduction here which I don't. There's a I guess I'm

not understanding the reduction on Page 3.89. In our our books. 2.2 million. Trying to understand what that is reflecting. So I think probably what you might be seeing is that at in the 2026 Budget

Authority budget, not our budget. >> In the 2026 budget there, approve their budget after our approval process. Well, that's right. And so they they the board, voted on a increase in stipends. So from

$25,000 per qualified employee, it increased to 50,000 per qualities qualified employees, which was a large increase for So we're expecting now. So so that money must be used in in the calm center. Of

course. But we spent money from our general fund to help offset the costs of our com center. That got pushed back into the and the general I think we're seeing a great benefit to the 2028. Probably I

I g a with some really cool. Imagine robust conversations that PRESIDENT Prior Senate Pro Tem Risley have been having with elected officials in Teller County as well as a Pasco County. I feel like

we're in a really good place. I think if we can get that, solidified it's going it's going to be a huge benefit for all 3 entities as we sort of in 2028 downsides to it one content or up the past

versus 3. I think it's going really well good. Thank you. >> Kenton Rainey. >> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT ironically I had would asked Rick next to it I was going to be one of my for covering warm it.

But I just want to thank you and the rest of the team, definitely for your leadership and really leaning forward on that. That was not it's not an easy task, but I'm glad to see everyone to include

leadership all leaning in to try to get this one right. So but the question I did have. Is specific to the the real time crime center and then course looking at some of your request. I'm a big fan of

the rtc and to your comment when I was a police officer up in Fort Collins at Colorado State University. Trust me spending hours on end and getting home at 02:03am, in the morning after Jan Hand,

Jamie reports was not fund. So the technology. It's great that we're where we're at right now with that being said. Is there a vision of increasing any manpower in the real time crime center? And if

so, where's that captured in the budget? So I don't think we'll increase that staffing in 2028 are 2027 sketchy. >> But we are We are expanding the size of the footprint of the real time crime center

because seen it. It's pretty cramped in there. But for right now, I feel like we're probably sitting at a good place. Chief royal has added full-time firefighter So we're using that technology for the

fires that we're seeing, whether it be in the Louis or within the city. So I can see an expansion will try to get Randy to give me maybe 3 or 4 more people in So maybe there's some expansion around

that. But for right now, I don't feel like we probably will be expanding any great extent. And 27 for no expansion in manpower, but definitely in technology, correct? Well, and size saying is we're

actually going to be knocking down. Some walls were just too cramped in there. I think from a technology perspective, we're sitting really good. I know we're going to be getting one more ground that's

actually pay for, I think maybe by rj Money. It was the money that was going to be used for that downtown area. But really beyond that, we'll look at technology expansion. Axon is always trying to get

us to partner with them to testing. Isn't that kind of stuff? But right now I think seeing really Okay. Thanks. >> COUNCILMAN Williams, thank you. Thank you, too. For all of her hard work since we've

gotten kind of down the Axon rabbit hole on the technology. Could you just describe how the real time Crime Center works? Consent? I feel like there's almost a perception that drones are in the air.

24 7 information is being collected stored constantly in. But can you just talk, Howard, how it actually works in real time kind of have that engagement works with the entire public when it does take

place. Sure. Absolutely. So it's it's it's very fluid, obviously. >> the primary way, there's 2, ways that that the detectives in the real time crime center sort of operate. One is that they have the

ability to see calls as they're coming in. Another were some because 9-1-1. And they say, hey, I just heard shots fired or somebody just shot me or I just got robbed. Whatever the case MAY be, they

can see those calls in real time happening. So. With this technology called Axon prepared. If there's information that's tag based on what the technology hears, it can ship it over to the real time

crime center flag say, hey, we've got some dangerous happening here and they can want push a button and launch a drone to start collecting information before an officer's even dispatch. So that not

might be something that's happening and they can start feeding the information very quickly to those officers on the street. But often times it is simply them listening to the radio or watching the

cad system for calls coming in recognizing those needs or they MAY get a phone call from an officer's supervisor on the street. So their when they're flying ground, it is going I must their training

or doing a test on a ground. It is only for something that happen. It could be something with fire. Also could be a crash on. I-25 it could be a robbery that just occurred or it could be something

like somebody fleeing from an officer. So we got a drone up to follow that vehicle rather than create the actual pursue. So as that is happening, the real time Crime Center, detectives are watching

everything on the screens. They're receiving information. And from there, they're going in 2 different systems and quiring a license plate, you know, and seeing what dmv has is the registered owner

for that license plate. They're doing all of this kind of kind of behind the scenes work to provide the information to the officers out on the street so that we can create a safer response for those

officers and for the citizens that are there. What's not happening is. Pr is usually the technology that is is part of like this is that the lpr camera is seen who's in a vehicle. For example, if you

go on the website and look at Lpr tab, you'll see a picture of the back of the vehicle. And if you don't, the real time crime center, any any camera, any lpr camera that you pull up, he's just going

to see you're just going to vehicles driving away from that camera. You don't see who's in the vehicle. You don't see anything other than kind of maybe a little bit of this back sides of the vehicle.

But the back license plate. And that's what it's reading. Some you never know who's in that vehicle. The other thing it's not doing is it's not going for every vehicle. I see this vehicle. Let me

track everywhere. It goes. Now if it goes through any help here, our camera, we can pull that up and see if it did. But we have to be doing that with regard to this robbery that we're looking at our

motor vehicle theft. There's got to be a legitimate reason for us to do that and everything that sudden in that system is Korea Bull. You can't do anything in it without somebody being able to go in

audit and that's in our The audit requirements and see what anybody who access that equipment access to 4. They have to give a legitimate reason has to be able to be tracked a legitimate reason. I'm

not sure I hopefully answer your question. Okay. Looks like that's it. But I guess not. So is slow to the punch today. I had a tissue in the way button. Mess me up. >> Chief, one other question about

this lpr is because I know this is a concern of some people with more like the flock cameras to help years. Register any decals on the back of the vehicle on the bumper. >> They do the technology to

identify something like damage to a vehicle or something specific like a bump, a bumper sticker. I would that I don't want to interrupt you, I when continue to say why that might be useful. The reason

might be useful at let's say there's a, you know, 2019 Corolla read that just said was used to rob a bank. And you have probably how many red Corolla is driving in the city any given time. But this

particular one that the witness said, hey, there's a bumper sticker just above the license plate on the back of the car. And it looks like whatever, you know. So you can actually then go in and look

at that type and say, ok, what we had, you know, we had 5 crawl as kind of hit alpr cameras. But this is the one that had that bumper sticker on it. So it really helps you quickly narrowed down

something that was different about that car so that you can disregard all of the other ones. >> also, you know, if they had the license plate person took a license plate off. You still have something

else that identifies. >> Right. You could then identify well, this didn't have a license plate, right? That's an identifier And I know the concern among some citizens. I just think this is useful to

to this be record that, well, you know, the government's going find everybody who has an nra sticker on their vehicle and they're going to get them some point, too. >> But there there is a reason

practical reason. Did sticker on a on a car. Our vehicle is useful information in case you don't have the license plate, you you kind of let it out or skates. The license plate is switch. Steal

different license plates to get on their tremendously beneficial. Okay. Is there anything else to add on that? It's It's not just to round people up who have right, whatever, go, stickers. You know?

Yeah, future. Yeah. I think the only thing want to reiterate is is is >> that there must be a require that you're required to have a legitimate law enforcement reason to query that information. And so

it's not just detectives up there going. I wonder what you know this person's doing. Let me see if they're driving around town or whatever are looking for an nra stick or something like that. There

must be a legitimate reason. It's we can see what every individual who acquire that information information when they did it, why they did it. We We can figure all that out. >> And I'll just point

out, I'm an nra member. It's I don't have anything. It's in thanks. One thing, MADAM PRESIDENT. >> Of course. Thank you. I just want expand what Chief Vazquez said. So you talked about Exxon

technology in terms of solving. It's also. As you pointed out little bit later, helping to rescue people rescue a kidnapped child. It is doing much more than just solving the crime. It is helping our

citizens on a regular basis. And when you talk about, well, maybe we can still solve it by flooding. The area with manpower. We might solve that crime. But then all of those officers are not

responding to other issues that MAY be there. And so it is not just a question of timing. It is the resources to address all of the other critical issues in our community and expanding that ability to

respond. And I just wanted it just clarify that point because I think that's important for the public to understand. Thanks. As growth person, pro Tem drizzly and council members. Oh, goody staying

here going to start off with saying I think I'm pretty sure heard the. >> Police chief said that he wanted to provide U.S. Dollars to put firefighters in the real time crime center site right. >> Make

sure that when record for the fire department look forward to going over this weekend. So to start out with. Our staffing, as you can see to the left there by operations. That's the bulk of our are

stepping into, says the firefighters out on the street and almost 500 there. >> The next biggest group is our emergency medical services, which is shows 57 employees. And that one includes all of our

medical training trainers, our quality assurance people. But then also are seen units which are little cutie medical units in our community and public health Division units, which is our crt Air t's

and so forth. And then division of Fire marshal has 3.36, which includes our inspectors building construction folks, investigators and so forth, support services and finance make make up the rest,

which includes h r and some training staff and others. With the 498. Those are covering our 25 fire stations. Anders 33, heavy apparatus and those fire stations. And talk a little bit more about that

number in just a second. Care physician history. You can see for 26 and then going into 27. Our numbers are staying the same. You can see there's a drop from 2025. As far as our breakdown 40 60 of

those are coming from the General fund 138 plus from the sst. And then we have 17 from grants and those are in division t and Public Health. And then we do have one that this year we added through the

wildfire mitigation fund that is helping manage those large projects and all so I U.S. A breakdown of her numbers there. >> So the apartment 120 almost 125 Million. Again. The bulk is general fund

almost 19 million of it in MPs. St is about 29 28 million of that. Then the other 3 or you airline a 1.8 million. The grants, almost 6 Million. That is. And also again, I'll share more about this in a

second. That's going to be a change number here. >> And then a the wind mitigation. Well, an mitigation fund money is what's coming from the 2 d which we get allocated year to for those dollars. So on

the slide on talk about this shows an increase of about 15 million to our budget from previous budgets. And I want to break that down for you in just a little bit. By 0. 5 million of that is going to

be tied to the salary and benefit changes going into 2027. And then 4.2 million of that is actually day counting entry. We are going to be proceeding with Lee's, a long program to get our monitors

refresh its that want 4.2 million to do that. So that is that lease purchase that we're wking on. And that shows up in the budget as that. And then 2.7 >> associated to the grant that grant number

that you see up there, that 5.9 now. >> Before the the budget book was put together, they didn't have this information, but we actually didn't get 3 million dollar grant that we're going after. So

that's included in there. So that's a change that I'm sharing with you on that. That was also we're trying to use basically federal dollars to go get those heart monitors. >> And that didn't come to

fruition, >> so >> 1 million came from basically insurance for seeds for the wreck of engine 3. And that's part of that. And then 6 34,000 is actually our loan payment that we will be paying on that

lease purchase program for the monitors so that paid over multiple years. That allows us to refresh all of our heart monitors at the same time, which we have to do t have consistent technology across

the job. >> It's a question from COUNCILMAN Donaldson. >> And thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT and chief. What if I understand this right? Then we subs should subtract 3 million dollars from grants and a

slide that we are not going to have that thing that that was in there. And, you okay, didn't it. But but that was in there because we're anticipating we would it would have been part of our budget,

not so much. >> And then chief Ask was kind of pointed out this is are authorized strength. The 39 of storm. We're at 7.68. For you. I took a picture. You what is your authorized then? What do you

actually have? >> So are sworn Strength is 5.16. >> Right there with our training academy that we have one in there. But when they come out, we are probably going to be a couple down. >> And we know

we're gonna lose some or through the end of the year. So by the end of the year, we're going to be again down in this is always that kind of game of catch-up. >> We started this academy with a want to

say 2026. But 24. And we've 4 of 5 of those. We will start another academy after the first of the year. It's always that numbers game. >> Okay. So you're probably about 5.14, but there's a continuous.

Leak. So to speak of of firefighters leaving and then you're filling back in or those that are leaving and I won't go there one minute on this. Those that are leaving with a retiring, is it that? 50%

are retiring? Ton 50% or going somewhere else. That's a good question. It's it's a We do have our normal retirements. >> I will say that in this year specifically we've seen an uptick in people

leaving departments and we are aware that we have other people that are in the process right now with department. So we haven't heard yet. And that's kind of what I was alluding to between now and the

end of the year. >> We expect it was one of more folks we have seen an increase in people leaving because that really hasn't been our standard over the years. To department. >> So that's that's new

that we're losing that many that we've always his last a couple the year. Typically, those are folks that we're going back to homes that they came from like California to because of family reasons and

stuff like that. >> we're seeing change to errors because you know, compensation and Calpine and those type of things. They're staying on the front range there just going somewhere else for. >> Better

pay. And Muslims work home, ok? Maybe we talk more about that later >> Thanks, COUNCILMAN Hinge him. >> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT Randy a going back actually to the 2025 actual and you dropped in

administrative positions about 9. I think. >> More or less. >> And so you've had almost a full year now to operate without those and you're not reinstating those in this budget. Can you just help me

understand how you've managed without those, where where's it been like, ok, that that was ok or where you really missing? Well, I'd say. >> It's what we love to have all those people that can I But

the reality is with the budget we have and I a kind of get ahead of myself. But that's okay. We have very limited to cut without cutting people. And so, for example, one of the position we cut was the

recruiter. That just puts work on all the rest of hr staff. And it's really hard to do get that job done when we don't have that position there. But when we looked at the scheme of things and people

that we had to cut, that was one we decided. You know, we could spread that workout is not optimal our mission. So that's an example of kind of what we deal with it and on she met side. We lost a

couple of those units going back to 25. Those are the units that are taking off the low acuity calls off of the apparatus. >> So that they're more available for critical calls. >> We'd love to have

those. When we have to make choices of where we're going to cut, we have we have to do that. . >> Yeah, okay. I think it's important to remember the impact on overall level of service and effort and

and the loss of those >> Okay. It's I think I finished up with the. The lease payment. And then we have a $500,000 which are is coming to us from the wheelchair Tale Marijuana fund. >> So that's an

increase that's going to go toward our apparatus is actually the total coming from the marijuana been is going to be 1.8 million to help us with apparatus. And we really appreciate that because that's

that's one of our pain points for sure. We had an existing apparatus budget which again, is carrying on of just over a million dollars. So give us about 2.8 million to work on apparatus and we're

hoping to use as efficiently as possible to get the most out of it in, you know, in coming years. That so if you talk about that, that to me and I went whole list, what that leaves us with is about

700,000 to cover of the things we need. So these include about 100,000 for contract increases, you know, just a normal year to year increases. And then we're focusing on some of our hyper already

operational programs and also high priority medical programs. So this includes refreshing, Jose the da's, the breathing apparatus that firefighters wearing our ppe. Paramedic School. We have dropped a

pair make school this year. So hopefully we have an additional one next year to keep up with are appearing that paramedic needs and also stipends, which is the uniform stipend that we give all the

firefighters. We pretty much completely cut that last year except round emergency basis. So we're trying to get that back up to where firefighters can go out and get new uniforms and replace there.

Their equipment. And also is training. We cut training last year, far outside training, going to conferences and picking you know, the travel and training. And just generally across support services

with facilities and other programs. We'll use that center and 1000 try to to fill in as much of that as we can. This is funding functions. So again, you can see the bulk of it again, 80% and just like

our staffing was is fire operations. And then we have the medical division at just about 6 million of that. Can be a public health, which again, is mainly mainly grants over there. And then the

support management is our finance division, hr. And those type of things. Fire prevention. And then key education. And while wildfire mitigation. The thing I want to point out and this one is dead in

this kind of goes back to think what COUNCILMAN Dollars asking about that. 96% of our budget is salary and benefits. So that leaves us 4% for operational day-to-day. Get our job done, which is our

apparatus, our equipment, our facilities, and all that. So that's where it's really, really tough when we do have to have cuts we try to do your thing, mission as possible. But it makes it tough. So.

And I will share that. We're very, very thankful going back to that, I didn't mention this and the previous slide, but the ps St Fun that we do have in existence today. I was here and that came in 20

plus years ago. If we had not had that, we would be in a real But the reality of that because St is its max out. And it's we have about 100 like we showed on the slide. But 130 some people that are in

that being paid from that as time goes on their expenses Rise r# pay, goes up and said that this cost more. So where we used to have more room for doing capital projects and by apparatus and stuff

like that, that's squish down. Do that at number. And so I appreciate the efforts that are being worked on look you and hopefully another one in the future to where we can resolve some of our issues.

Okay. For fire department per keeping up with the growth the city increased and the increases in call volume. We have seen this year. We're estimating we're going run. 83,000 going up. Another 3,000

calls. So if you spread that over 25 stations, that's that's a pretty good impact. But we expect that number to keep going up. With the growth of the city. And I don't I think some of you are going in

NOVEMBER here. We're going to take a tour of the side to look at future a fire station locations. You'll if you haven't been out They the growth that's going out. There is amazing. I mean that the

roads going in the house is going up and all that. That's a big concern to us because we know that we need stations out there. The just we don't have the funding to get there. >> The question from

council Donaldson, gets you Can you that again? I heard call volumes going up, but I didn't hear. >> To hear the numbers. Yeah. So 83,000 is what we're going to hit. We were 80,000 last year. So what

have total 3,000? >> For 26. Look again at that equates out about 14050 per station. Can you just remind us what percentage of those are our medical? >> About 80% >> We have been we with our cnn units

in in our community, public health units. You've been able to pull off some of that call buy-in from our heavy apparatus, which makes it more efficient and again, keeps them available for the critical

calls. But it's still part of that system. So. >> And so the 83,000 is the projection for 26. That's what you think. That's what we think we're going to end with. Yeah. Okay. What do you think it's

going to be in 20? So that will be closing in 85 to 90. And what will you be doing that? Good question. Because I will looking at the things. Okay. >> Next on our prior to this is advancing the tiered

response model. And I just spoke to that. It's a really important part of department in our operational work. You know, one of our concerns is that no 70 employees are grant funded and again, going

into 27. We've got one area we're working on because of one of the grants is going to be ending >> they make good impact on our community. They get the right care to our patients and they help our >>

critical resources, our engines and trucks be available for those critical calls. So we're going to continue to work on that. Staffing. And the next bullet, retaining and attracting top tech talent.

We have good people throughout the that we do hate to lose people to other departments, especially if we pay for all their training in. Well, there's firefighter training or paramedic training or

whatever we to are folks so. Health and wellness initiative so in this last year and you MAY remember, we did get if Jea grant last year that cancer screenings, cancer and heart screenings for our

firefighters. Very impactful. We had a number of firefighters in the double digits. Findings that they had no clue. They had. So it definitely save some lives. The good news everybody was able to get

the care are in the process of getting the care they need most. Everybody was able to come back the job. But we do have a couple people there are going to get back to the job. The good news is we

found no one can say their lives are hope for the future is we can get that funding sustainable to be part of our the testing, the partner yearly routine so he can stay ahead of The next one wildfire

response. I was very, very thankful as your fire chief that we made it to this this year without. Big fire in year's. Not over yet. I should dot com would. But we had many buyers around as a you all

we deployed firefighters over the country, actually, but we were sweating it out because that is a big threat to our community. And we just got lucky. So that's a that's again, one of our priorities

that we're going to keep working on, whether it's wildfire, mitigation or prevention, education. And on suppression efforts. Next. One is up to to my zing, our apparatus funding. And I mentioned this

when I talked about the 2.8 million, we have opportunity there that will be working through to see if we can buy actually go through the process of purchasing multiple rigs. At the same time when we

get benefit from that at lower costs. But we spread that payment over like 3 years and that way we can get that red is rolling toward quicker because it takes a long time to get him here from it

anywhere from 2 to 4 Communicate to long-term needs We've been doing that with our 10 10 year plan. Want to continue to work with you all on that. And it's really talks to you how we can get

sustainable funding to move us forward into the future. With the growth that we know is going on in the needs that we have today. And then finally identified next fire chief. Because won't be me here.

Said his stand in next year. So part of that is in. He's already started. We're going the time of the application for a new chief. And then once we've identified that person, we're hoping all have

time to transition with him. Before I some. Any questions. COUNCILMAN Tension. >> I'm not sure exactly what my question is, Randy, except that, you know, as I look at these priorities. And we're

talking about the 2027 budget. I also really aware of the impacts that aren't necessarily outlined here of not. Keeping up with call volume of not retaining and attracting talent of not addressing

those health and wellness. You know, all of that. All of these are. Are paramount importance councilmember rainy and I have been meeting with you and with chief of staff and with police. To talk about

these needs from a longer-term perspective and I just feel like it has to be said not that there's anything we can. Necessarily due for 2027 maybe there is. I don't know. But to address these needs.

What I'm concerned. And I just need to say it. And you you've hinted at it. We know that we're losing folks we can't afford to do that. And Call volume. And I mean, this is, you know, this is about

saving lives. So clearly, I don't have a question here, except if you want to say anything more, I you're need. We've been sharing those concerns, you know, with all the all and with community. >> As

well. But >> yeah, I as your fire chief Ed concerns as far as our budget keeping tonight, keeping up. I mean, where? >> Struggling to keep up with the future of the city. This is a great growing but

if we can keep up with it and whether it's us are the police department were, it's not a good thing. And so I don't know the answer. We somehow we need to get some more funding. This is generally as a

city as well. But it's it's put us in really tough spot and so when you talk about the compensation side and losing people, that is a part of it because whether it's a syrupy training people to do

that are good folks within our community and then they turn around and leave us. That's not good value to our community as well. Right? >> Right. And the apparatus and but what percentage of your

budget would you say kind of really capital basically versus its 4%. Capitals, 4%. Well, no capital. >> 4% is our non labor. So, yeah, so anything non labor, it's for. Yeah. So that's that's all of

our equipment. Our you know, supplies are apparatus facilities. All Okay. And I know those are huge expenses as well. >> Well, I I just I just wanted to make a statement about it because we have been

talking about it you know, we're coming up on him election cycle for a municipality. We don't have a tax initiative on the 2027 ballot, I think it needs to be a part of the conversation for people who

are running for mayor and for city council because we have to start making it clear that this really is not sustainable. >> I agree. And as a civilian that will be here in a few Yeah. Be advocating.

It has a city and for those same things because I know the impact and and >> you know, our our >> coverage. Basically response time goals. Not anywhere close to what we should safe. >> And you MAY or

MAY not have paid attention to our work session with parks and, you know. Parks isn't directly so closely associated with safety in the in the same way. It's it's really important part as well. And

and their situation is pretty dire as well. We've got some conversations tap, thank you and appreciate. >> Council Donaldson. >> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT. >> You know, you just. Repeated something

that was said earlier and it is that we are losing trained firefighters. In an unusual amount to other local. >> Agencies and and its. >> Our pay is lower. And we've received, you know. A letter

presentation. >> You know, from the local 5 kind of laying that out by. >> Position with different agencies in our area. And we're kind of we're pretty much at the bottom. I think I think it would I

know, would be appreciated. Might slow some of the the loss if we were able to increase that the currently recommended increase for the fire positions by an additional one percent. And I think we can

do that. I talked with Carly yesterday. Some ideas on where Things to move around to, to do that. So I'll talk with others on council. I would like to to do that. The other. Huge need are the

apparatus. And there is a reason I asked how many of the calls are medical and you said there, it's 80% because we have something called the Colorado Springs Health Foundation. We have a giant. Fund

of money there. I don't know what it is to do. The members or liaison is no that off top of their head with that balance is right now. >> With a vote of 6 members of council and the mayor. We can. We

can. We can take 10% of that or 20% of that and use it for apparatus. And I think that makes a lot of sense. They're not going to get any cheaper. And stock market's doing pretty well today. So it

would probably a good time to do that. And I for one would support doing that. So that's something council and the mayor can talk about. If we're willing to do that. Ballpark, what is it to replace

the apparatus that need to be replaced? Like total? Number then give me half 17 Million. That's for all of them. >> No, no, no, no. That's just to get up to Saints, 17 year So that would be a minimum

for me. The mp, the minimum thing we should do and about 20 Million. And it's so. >> We have a 17 year replacement plan and that look great. It. >> Yeah. And in. >> Most most partners are about 12 to

15 year. So we're they start be on that. But we have the units that are from 1996. Oh, yeah, we're not keeping up with And what I would say about this is that Health Foundation fund was created for

the health of the citizens of Colorado Springs. 80% of the calls are medical calls. >> This is I think, an excellent way to use as some of them of the fund, which is grown quite a lot recently because

what the stock market has done. >> To take some of that profit and just direct it right toward something that well. Make a big dent and a problem which we need to address. So those are 2 thoughts from

me. And then my final question to you today, chief will be what is your prediction for the Broncos tonight? Oh, jeez. It's got to be a right? >> COUNCILMAN Remy. Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT and thank

you, chief for everything and closed entire team and I know we've been going at it for quite some time >> while you won't be here to see the end result. It's definitely because of your hard work

leadership and effort that help us to where we're hopefully going to get. The one thing I do want to emphasize before act. My question is you hit something there and it's in your very first bullet

keeping up with the city with city growth in and we are growing. We're growing very fast and I keep saying this. And not to make light of it as a joke, but it's just a very true statement. You know,

we are a very thriving growing city that will require and continuously require first class. First responder services, your services, the police chief services. >> But we can't sustain that on the

peanut butter and jelly sandwich budget. >> And we've got to get out of a serious flaw mindset here in the city that we can keep asking for same first-class services with no budget behind it. And that

is something I our leadership from the executive and legislative side, we got to lean on heavily and hopefully what the public safety working Committee, we can help get somewhere close to where we

need to be. The one thing I do want to mention the second, the last bullet there, the long-term needs and I know everyone tends to do a 10 year plan. One of my concerns. >> Is it? >> Our city is

growing too fast for 10 year plans anymore. I'm looking at 5 year plans like what's going to happen in the next 5 years. You mentioned even a tour on the east side that will be taking your next week

or so. Just looking at what's going to happen there by 2030. And I think sometimes the years ago in a little fast on us and people are losing sight. That next year is 2027. We're only 3 years away

from massive expansion in grow out of that area. So I just want your thought on in the next 5 years. Instead of looking at a true 10 year plan. Have you to staff your leadership team. Start looking at

the next 3 to 5 years on where we are going to be as a city. >> We do. We look at that and we have I mean, we have stations late out where we think we're going to need them. We're working with people

on the land to get, you know, we put them. That's one of the problems, too, is if we don't have the land. In everything grows up, then it's going to cost a lot more money. And it's not going to be the

optimal place. We want to put a fire station right? As we look build. So we're constantly looking at that. The other factor, which plays into exactly what you're saying here is. If I sat down today

and said, ok, today, we're going to put a double company with an engine and the truck at Stetson Hills Marksheffel. The station would pry open up in the year and a half to 2 years. The engine with

prior right about that time. If we purchase of the day the ladder truck would be 2 years after that. So we're talking about a four-year process in. So we're not even where we can pull the trigger any

of those stations. Know, if we if it's another year down the road, that means we're going to be 5 years out before we get that ladder truck for that particular station, which is above our, you know,

picks in our apparatus problem. It's it's adding the new apparatus that we need for future stations. So you're absolutely right. We have to stand >> And the last thing I want to mention, especially

since my colleague Councilmember Donna, some mention this in regards apparatus and needing find funding. I'm going to this up some money to help on here. >> What's the name of the? The engine truck

that actually has. >> All the twos on the. >> Back side of it to get inside vehicles. It has all the hydraulic. Pumps on it. Just like on the back right side. So ladder truck also. Yeah. So. >> Well,

so all of our ladder trucks which had letter, they are realign. It does what we call trucks and then the engines of the ones that carry water. They all carry a level of extrication equipment in there,

hydraulics and stuff like that. We have a heavy rescue unit that is a specialized unit that carries. Equipment that goes beyond anything that any of the trucks so that the next level up. >> And that

heavy unit from my understanding, we only have one correct right of the city of a half a million people. We have one and I believe there's other municipality's day have definitely more than one, maybe

2 or 3. And that one at that one heavy truck has to cover the entire city. How how often is that truck on the road? It's on the road. A lot. Has to be 24 7. I was soon. >> Well, no, that that much.

But but they still also red respond on medical when needed something that if they're the closest unit. But most things are a ladder trucks can take care of. But it's those specially things like trench

rescues and confined space and died. Rescuers and all that that that those guys and gals go on. You're right for city our size. We should have a second one that's in our 10 year plan is to get a

second one along with the second has met hazardous materials it's again, it's part of that planning But, you know, if you got to prioritize everything that's going her at some. >> But once again, for

city our size, we should have 2 or more. Not one trying to cover gets to would because the think you again, I appreciate your support comments. >> COUNCILMAN Williams. Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT >>

When you do the are you an outlines all of this. You mentioned there's 9.4 million dollars dot. We are not going to get due to our Tabor revenue cap. And I think listening to both Chiefs talk today. I

think they could both use the 9.4 million dollars. >> I'm not entirely sure it's going to happen in my lifetime. >> But I think at some point in time we need to have the table conversation. I have the

luxury are fronting against. And Bruce, the first time I ran for office. Spent an hour and a half with them on the phone. >> And it was evident that and our key was the goal. The goal is really

eliminate and minimize the government as much as possible. >> But I don't think that's what the majority of the citizens want. I think the majority of the citizens want a robust fire department. They

want a robust. Police department and I think obviously, as has been mentioned here today, that conversation needs to happen and keep happening. That's not going to happen between now and let's call it

the end of the year. But are there any policies bought this body could put in place for attention? Are their contracts? Are there negotiations? Is there something more that we can do to help

retention? You've got obviously time to think about that. If there's nothing right on top of your head, b# , I feel like there needs to be a somehow that conversation and we're doing all the training

and then seems to be offloading, you know, that town. Is there anything that you know, this body can do to help? And I think for both of us. >> Its provide the best culture that we can. The people

want to stay even beyond. >> Looking at pay. But that's hard, right? You know, when you look at your family knows things as well. But I think our you know, our cultures have. >> Helped keep people

here. >> But my concern as well as the owner of the features that we could be losing more people. So. >> COUNCILMAN Rating. I thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, I just want to say one more thing because I'd

never get a chance to sit on the public platform like this. The job that you do, your leadership and the rest of that team when it comes to the international firefighter's memorial. And I that I think

we need to as a city, we need lean in a lot more and to that. But just thank you for your leadership. If I don't get a chance to see it again right now. Just thank you for your leadership and making

that a world class event. >> And appreciate that. Thanks for your support of that as well. That is it. That is a huge event. I think there's 10, 11,000 people here this year. And you know, we're

honored as the city to have it here in our city. And so we try to make the best we can to help those folks at home. >> Those are great use of alert dollars to be spent on those types of functions. In

my opinion, COUNCILMAN Jim. >> Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT, I just to give my phone councilmember little hack for not remembering the name of the truck because you did just go to the fire >> he didn't

pass. He didn't want you to bring it up. >> It's scary. Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate >> Okay, MADAM PRESIDENT, I'm ready. >> Good afternoon. We are back in session for the City Council.

2027 budget work session. And next up, we have Abbott, parks, recreation and cultural services. Good afternoon, Taylor. >> Good afternoon, MADAM PRESIDENT, Pro Tem Drizzly and council members.

Appreciate the opportunity to talk a little about our budget. So within our organizational chart. Top, you have. Prcs director position. Positions with our cemetery Enterprise Levin, with our design

and development. 93.7, 5 car park, maintenance and operations. 59 and a half with a recreation administration. And then 32.5 positions with cultural services, 10 with golf enterprises and then 23 and-

a-half positions with the Pikes Peak. America's Enterprise. So for a total of 239.0, 2, 5, positions center purpose. And just to break down. I do have a question from council. My mother. I'm sorry it

it's you just struck one of my. In your master plan, you you've made a statement here the year 2000 general fund. >> Funded maintenance staffing has declined from 85 to 24. Full time. And so you've

gone from 85 positions to 28 positions. But then it goes on to say that you're You got 41 positions from Tops fundings. But I'm just confused by that. When when you talk that, last slide. You actually

said that you had if you go back on. Of 93 positions and parts maintenance operations. And then I'm seeing on the on your master a plan. It says that you have 28. Trying to understand how you get from

the 28. To the 93, I suppose it's true tops and other right? I mean, how you make a statement here of 23 and you make a statement right here of 93. Believe it's a difference in funding and some of the

positions are funded through ctf the lottery dollars as well as some are funded through the tops. >> So sex dollars that we receive. So that's a difference. And that Delta, okay. Yeah. Because

ultimately get into that place where get, you've said that you're going to need to add 90 plus additional full-time. >> Equivalents over the next 10 to 15 years master plan. And so try to understand.

Kind of when we look at this. You know, you say 93 there. You know, is is that because you're going possibly lose some of the funding? See, I mean, there's just trying to have a better grasp of

flight. That question about how do we how do we how do get our parts and better shape? Yeah, we'd have to. >> Gain funding through additional resource, a new resource >> that's just going into this. I

just want to understand what that statement was and how this relates to the number. I just look on the screen so total positions by all of our funding sources. Okay. What's represented attacks? >>

COUNCILMAN Donaldson. >> This question MAY be very similar. It's just the Gulf Enterprises, 10 employees. Certainly there's way more than that. Is it? When I go there and I see all the others, it's a

concession for the like the Valley High, strong club. Did you know just off top your head, roughly, like how many folks there are working on a regular day at Valley High and then over at. As Yeah. >>

Let me be proud of friends our leadership here with me since this my first budget presentation and >> I don't have all that just that's just that the Kim for >> The phone, a friend response for that.

It's not even 2 important. Just amazing that we only have 10 full-time employees to run 2 golf courses. Yeah, it's variety of concession agreements. So those are people that you're seeing there,

whether it's run in the clubhouse or that's running operations with restaurant press. >> that second contract services. Contract service, Contract contract services as well as in our seasonal

staffing. So really think about the golf course. We both courses having numbers seasonal and those are going to vary throughout the year just between our high growing season. >> Versus during the

winter time things slow down a little bit. So for a particular number. It could be anywhere between probably 5.10 additional seasonal And it's 3 full-time staff of Valley. The remainder at p j and

then again, our admin person and the operations managers basically provide services to both. >> still seems a amazingly light to me. But >> ok, thank you. Parks is a lean operating machine all across

its system. This a golf course even with the golf course. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Thanks. It's going. You can begin again. Up. >> Funds position. History. Just to build a little bit more information of

where we're at and 2025 with our actual as a toner. >> Total of 253 and a half positions in 2026. Our amended budget 239.2, 5. So staying within 2. 39.0, 2, 5, really no change from 26 to 27. And if

you look at pretty much right across the board, funded the exact same way. So to your question earlier council, my number of kind of gives you little bit better breakdown. Yeah, this is part of why we

got downgraded. >> With tpo Parker scores. Because we so we're not making up any of the positions that we lost in 2026, we're not picking up any of those. So not >> Yeah. All this mentioned that it is

putting stress on our other funding sources. So that tops sales tax funding as well as the ctf lottery funding. And there's been a change with all the online gaming that's occurred that draws away

from that seat. Funding and that's been pretty substantial drawdown from So when that did not pass when it within our state to be able to include online gaming is part of that total tax. With a

lottery that is real impact for our department. So that's something we're going to have to make sure we take into account and respond to. Within our future budgets. Within those numbers at also.

Doesn't include 3 unfunded general fund positions with our senior maintenance tech park, maintenance and operations are parks operations administrator position for our rec services Deerfield. And then

also a senior recreation assistant position within direct services. Also at Deerfield. And through the rest process. We went from 130 for 221 general fund positions and the majority that was Meadows

Community Center. Care, 2027 division funding and kind of see the percentage breakdowns here in the pie graph. Of where how the funding o okay to so within the Gulf Enterprise, little over 7.6 million

dollars. Pikes Peak. America's Mountain stopped 14 0.7 million in the cemetery and the prizes spot. 2.8 million for 4%. Senator Recreation administration, about 9.2 million or 13%. Our maintenance

operations are largest category is 22 and a half million. Design and development 8 and a half million little over and then cultural services. 4.1 million. And we really don't have a significant amount

of changes within are all division really pull sound about the salary and benefit increases. That's about 1.3 million total. How the other major changes. I would point out. This park maintenance. We

have an increase of $91,000 reopen restrooms that were closed in 2025. So reopening restrooms to the 2025 service level. Horticulture. We had an increase of $2000 for the cab, a holiday tree. Because

our Greenhouse department takes here that are wheelchair. Excuse me. Horticulture department manages that. And then within recreation services with a decrease of 1.0, 2 million. And that was

attributed to generation while grant being closed That's at 5 year total. Within that. So those are the major changes. And then moving on to 2027 total funding just under 79 million or excuse me. 70

million total. 16 million, 574,168 dollars. Enterprises. 25.1 of that. 36% of their funds and cip 1.7 or 2%. Grants total out to the 4 million or 6%. Senator special districts little over 4.8 million

or 7%. Ctf dollars or 6.3 or 9% of our total budget. And then Topps is a little over 8 million or 12%. And then the general fund allocation just under 19.5 million or 28%. Couple of things all know t

here. And I mentioned it earlier with the ctf funding in the associated Impact with the lottery dollars. Know we're tracking that. It's really important because we do fun quite a few positions out of

that. That a fun day. We have previously used historically to fund its flexible funding for Doesn't have a lot of the restrictions like the top sales tax MAY have. So that allows us to be a little bit

flexible capital projects, perhaps investing in different types of equipment. Acquisitions of property, I think is also key. We talk about our ability generate revenue ability to generate revenue and

tops acquisitions is very limited. Almost non significant. Or insignificant, i should so having the ability to. I've ctf dollars to contribute to acquisitions that could generate revenue. The sister

budget in different ways I think is really important to consider. >> COUNCILMAN Hinton. Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT Pay Skyler in special districts. This amd's and j d is that increased just strictly

because of the projection of increased. >> Sales tax revenue or we're not adding any >> Sandy's surge it's adding any Yeah. Thanks, COUNCILMAN Donaldson. Thanks, MADAM PRESIDENT Schuyler. >> You just

said, hey, tops properties. We can't generate any essentially any revenue from them. Just allowing things like a trail race trail run, you know, through through top property or mountain biking or

racing to me. Those are especially was flatter. Low impact. What do you think we could could generate from the tops properties through activities like those? Yeah, I think that's a real important

question. To my knowledge, we haven't put together a pro forma that would be directly related to that to understand what the economic impact could be as well as the financial impact. >> Understanding

what we have with Our current, I would say inventory within the Colorado Springs region. I think it could really impactful would bring a lot of sales tax dollars to our community. Lot of tax dollars

to the community. I would not want to set up here in state and number without actually digging into that a little bit further. But we could get some comparisons for you of the of different types of

events that are hosted in summer. Communities are size and throughout our state throughout the region. And I come back with a better number for you. >> So we just spoke with who was it? No was Glenn

Carlson. It was sports is >> They are talking Davis >> and we talked about this that there are events that we can't we won't be able to get because the trail we just don't have the trails to to pull

it off. We have to. Go out, you know, inner selves into a pretzel to not go across the tops property. I for one would certainly be really interested to What are what are realistic projection would be

we were allowed to use our part, the trails that cross them for. Not motorized by motorcycle racing or anything. But but low-impact activities. So, yeah, I think be a great thing to look into. Yeah, I

think that's a good point that. Include a lot of public engagement through that process. Mean the purpose of tops and why was created for the open values that that are represented there. We would need

to understand. So that would be adjustment, you know, too, that that language within there. >> And then I think it would be a good understanding of maybe what would be acceptable versus what's really

not acceptable within those spaces in perhaps it's nothing at all. But perhaps maybe it's, you some types of revenue-generating events you know, used to work in the Forest Service in a wilderness

area. Bob Marshall Wilderness, I love. >> Solitude and quiet. A trail run, you know? With just people running through running. I think is something we >> Balance the benefit. Revenue generated. We can

maintain and acquire more. >> Versus just absolutely not allowing any kind of activity, which is for prof, but like the race to occur. So I would be very interested in. >> All right. So one of next

move on to capital improvements and talk a bit about that kind of the breakdown we're at with our cip funding for 2027. A little over 4 million schedule for Pikes Peak America's Mountain. And that's

going to consist of bottomless pit wall for about a million There's an ongoing fema project up their contribution matches about $752,000. The halfway picnic grounds after Playscape is about $425,000.

And working a partnership with Mount Metro to have a Circulator subtle drop-off at the base of the mountain. There to bring people from the community in downtown Colorado Springs. Up to Pikes, Peak.

It's about a half million dollar cost. Working in some areas of the North s# recreation area for some new trail construction in closures around the Catamounts. That's about $60,000. And we have, but 2

miles of paving $200,000. And that's really not going to a full 2 miles of paving. That's different spots within their that of. Experiencing stress or failure. And then we ust take replacements of

750,000 and then a tubing hill that's going to be installed Pike c. Snow tubing Hill for $400,000. Then our special use permit. We have a need process that we need to move forward with with the U.S.

Forest Service and we have a budget set aside for $250,000. There. >> Council in line with her. Yes, you're going through this list. I just like that. Understand well, I think I do understand that.

Really most of your capital improvement funding comes from other sources like tops from enterprise within or from the golf course enterprise with that or or ppe. Ppr t a stuff like that. Really. Just

so all we have is kind of. We were only using 500,000 to do the Wilson Pool in 25,000. But I did notice the greenhouse repair. Isn't that like It isn't that a shared pain? Because I mean, not all

everything develop their coast. Parts of those to like public works and other things. I mean, they replace trees I mean, the to a number of different things right? How does that greenhouse kind of?

Its part in charge of greenhouse just kind of supplies all the other departments with stuff. So r Holder horticultural department, which includes our greenhouse is just it up within Prcs. So the main

responsibility is to serve prcs through that. >> Okay. Yeah. We have some partnerships like Colorado Springs Utilities for we have like and in turn the chair between the 2. I think we do a sus public

works here and maybe with a few things. But yeah, the entire forestry department with trees as under public works used to be on park's been out with public works. >> that's that's what thinking about.

What this greenhouse like. Why is it still with you forestry is Is that just because you guys have more need the? >> It's a it's pretty separate. Yeah. And the different beds that we maintain and the

volume of them is much different than what public works things. So they're doing their own. >> Trees and stuff they're getting. They're that they're not getting it from our greenhouse. That's trying

to understand is it isn't yeah, I kind of thought we I thought that the greenhouse doing everything right. They're not getting it from our greenhouse operations So they're buying trees and stuff to do

their own stuff. Okay. Wrong. That's it. And I just bring that up because I've heard about the tree issue that we're going to have with all grass trees. Yeah, we're partnering with just understand the

impact. A lot of our facilities, especially like our cemeteries and obviously our parks. All Just a >> figure out. You know, what does that look like for shadow trees moving forward in the future,

just knowing that maybe in the next 10 to 15 years, we're gonna 30 to 35% of our tree canopy in our park system. Right? So that's just the thing we've got to keep in mind that is also coming. >> So

alright, thank Erica Packer Park's main operations manager. To your point to mean that the greenhouse operation, we are partnering with >> City Forestry currently to grow some some trees for them

initially. And then they will move those trees when they get a little bit bigger out into a nursery that we have for planting around the city. So. >> Yeah, that's what it was. When I look at this

capital group called Project, it's a sign to you. Well, it's kind of that that particular one is more of a shared one because I'm thinking a lot of different departments use the greenhouse is what my

thought was. >> It's it's our staff that we partner with, as Skyler mentions, so will work with forestry, will work with the special maintenance districts. Get reimbursed for that. We work with Pikes,

Peak America's Mountain. The Golf course Yeah. >> All right. And if I might add one thing, the capital, it's surely over here. The capital project that you're seeing here, is due to a hail damage at

the greenhouse structure and so largely covered by insurance. Proceeds. And that's why it's it's a perk owned structure, which is why this project is there. And it's too repair. The damage from the

hail storm. So what we're showing a $410,000. That's the part that insurance is not covering. >> No, that the total cost of the repair to the greenhouse, ok, due to the hail. >> but but Dutch, a ball

is covered by insurance. Well, that's why didn't I didn't pick it up before, correct? I just got I got a new sheet. >> Yes, we gave you that new. She, which is all of the parks capital projects. So

you could see it all in one place and by the various funding sources. And that is funded in the general fund because we're receiving insurance proceeds due to the damage to the facility from the

health storm this last summer. And so what we're doing is putting that into the project to repair the greenhouse. And that's a project that you're seeing. >> Okay. So still that was probably an

accurate statement. Still say from the general fund. We are funding $525,000 worth of stuff because that 410 is going to be refunded. So it's not really. Truly something we're investing. And we're

just getting durrance pavement. >> Well, except that the general fund pays for the insurance. Well, that's true, too. So. Thanks. Sure. I was just going to talk about that next. >> It just sticking on

4 straight for just a moment. Can't do you happen to know? I know emerald ash borer is really, really significant concern. And I've talked with. Matthew Puckett about kind of long-range plans and

saving the trees we can and budgeting long-term for which ones are going to have to come and so forth. >> is there? >> I guess what's the what's the amount that forestry will be able to utilize to

manage that? At long term significant cost? That's going to be to the city to manage that problem. It. >> Probably phone another friend. That's in the right. Another friend looks like it's ritual ad

is out side of my department. Overnight. It which, yeah, this isn't public works. I'm sorry. You know what? >> Let's say the question. Say that yet. I'm sorry. Apologize. >> I'll just say to Eric's

point, we definitely working. We're having conversations with public works right now to take a look at the maybe even establishment of country farm of some sorts. We understand the gravity of the

issue. And it's going to be really impactful to our park system. So working hand and he and his partners together to resolve it. We also have. A variety of different projects set up with the Gulf

Enterprise. About 1.2 million there. And that's going to be a variety of projects associated to a master plan that they're putting together for how to do it. Some kitchen upgrades some different

upgrades too. The Valley high system as well. And And that area with let's hear the renovations. To some of the downstairs in kitchen equipment. As well hvac equipment. We have about what Sears

$66,000 and will be contributing to the first tee construction. And that's over 3 three-year period says 60 Little over 6, 6,000 for the next 3 years. 27. 28. 29. Other projects wanted to mention is

the cemetery of 4 50,000. That's adding another block at Evergreen Cemetery of Act 205. Just developing night out. We MAY be looking at a request to our endowment additional funds to help with that

capital. Build out of that additional That'll be roads inside irrigation. As well as the cold air Moving into. Her ct we have $25,000 set aside and that's going to help support. Kind of what we're

calling rfp stage one, a strategic funding and community engagement. So that's going to build right off of our master plan process. And we've been working on to help fund next steps of. Outreach to

the community. Public opinion engagement advocacy. So we're really excited about that. And then moving into our tops Open space acquisition. Wiese traditionally set aside about $100,000 each year and

that helps U.S. Support some acquisitions that MAY come up and develop within the year that we weren't necessarily anticipating. So it allows us flexibility to move forward with that. That helps

support appraisals and surveys and things like that for the acquisition. We also have 75,000 set aside for that rfp follow-up to the master plan for the community engagement and strategic funding. We

have seen Creek trail bill hard surface real from airport to plot at 1.2 million, we have soft surface trail development 400,000 and that some of that North s# rec area trail development around the

Catamounts. And mentioned earlier, that's kind of a project with Pikes Peak America's mom. We have some trails of Blodgett Open space. Looking at. A small like a program area around the water tank in

that location. And then Sonderman Park it trail bridges and wayfinding signage. And then saying canyon working on the Columbine, the Silver Cascade. Cocoa trails. Moving a little bit further down. We

have trail system master plan that's going to be funded by topps Morning. That's $200,000. So systemwide trail system master plan. Moving into the general fund. Capital dollars. And we just kind of

spoke about $500,000 for Wilson Ranch for a plaster 25,000 for that park system. Master plan process. Phase one community engagement. So utilizing 3 different funding sources get 225,000 to fund that.

From our park system. Master plan next stages. And then we talked about the greenhouse hailstorm of that for $410,000. There. Another funds appealed 39,550. That's also for acquisitions. So maybe

surveys that MAY come up through that Parkland dedication ordinance, ppr trail improvements. We have 1.7, 1 to $810,000 coming out of that for a different projects through that trail improvements. And

then we have a little bit of money. 390,112 set aside for structure demolition. That's kind of a revenue off said that's related to the new asthmatic polling that were taken down. That moves into are

2027 department Priorities Department priorities. Start with our trails master plan and the development of our trails master plan. Really? Take a look at connectivity. We a lot of our land is adjacent

to National Forest Service land. We have other land manager agencies in that location just really taking a looking at our overall connectivity. Ryan, the opportunity for public input through that

process. So that's one of our department priorities. Second one is our park system master plan. I mentioned the funding of our communication and then also strategic funding initiative to understand

what the appetite might be with our community to look at diversifying. How we bring funding into the department and then that implementation strategy of being able to move forward with our park

system. Master plan. And I'll just point out within the park system master plan, which I know several. Council members of been introduced to some of the new numbers that we've been able to collect

data. A 52.0, 2 million dollar. You will. Delta where we need to be related to replacement capital costs, new capital costs, as well as our operating costs to manage our current system. It's a huge

number. So that is part of the reason why we're moving forward with this next step with an Master planning process to come up with a really good game plan of how we can approach this with our

community and having that involvement. And that's broken into 3 different phases for us to be able to accomplish that. And then another one I want to mention is dis parks safety Inactivation. It's

really important for us to understand where we're at this current time within our park system and the impact of that crime within our parks. I would also say homelessness within our parks and just a

strain that that's put on our park maintenance staff. And our activation of parks has been really significant. So we're taking a look at not only, you know, how are we are partnering with other

agencies to address that. But this is also something that's going to be with and volume extension to rfp. That's going to work towards communication and then funding strategies also a development

strategy around that of how we can address us through our park system. It goes beyond just park system. You know, this is going to be a community effort. It's going to have to be a group effort for us

to call work together really resolve an issue that. Wasn't even really mentioned. In our 2014 master plan, like where we're at today, just 12 years later. It's very significant when we look at

different service and you've conducted, especially are statistically valid survey of 51% of people have the perception that they're not safe on our parks and trails system. So we recognize that we

want to be able to respond to that. And that's why it's going going to be one of our 2027 department priorities. And building on that. And there's funding mention and a bullet underneath that park

system. Master plan. It's really trying to figure out and I think to councilmember Dawson's point earlier, what other ways are there to generate revenue within our system that we're currently not And

how can we utilize that revenue to go a little bit further? Perhaps and how we can fund our system over time? We're not going to have a 52.0. 2 million dollar solution. I would say within a year 2

years, 3 years. And this is a long-term look. But being able to diversify how we manage. New revenue within our system, I think is going to be key for long-term success. Turner Department. Any

questions? I don't see any. >> But I do see one COUNCILMAN Williams. >> I just have to get right back to the right >> Just 2. >> Quick things that caught my eye. And again, you MAY or MAY find a

friend cause kind of in weeds, but you've got. >> Vandalism related maintenance. And it's like $150. I feel like you've got to share that with some other department because very small. Number. >> I

guess that's a broader question. Like if and when there is vandalism. Does that come from? Given how small that number as I feel like maybe it's more of a chief of staff question that there's a big

bucket somewhere that those monies get taken out of. >> Yeah, just happened. Spend those 150 times and when it's gone, it's somebody else's responsibility. I know we spend more than 150 times was. >>

reason that some thought you knew page that is a, a chance. Yes. >> It is on 3.69. 5, 2, 2, 9, 1, I asked the now 5 MR. Someplace else. There's another. >> Erica Packer, parks, maintenance operations

manager. You're absolutely right. We spend a lot more responding to various vandalism, events and thefts and things in our parks. That number last year was closer to about $125,000. So that money is

out and spread out across multiple funds. So not just to one funds per se. So that that is not indicative of all to something we respond to. So this year we're tracking less than that, thankfully. But

it's typically around $100,000 that we have allocated. I have allocated in a couple different buzz. A general fund ctf and tops all that. I get a piece of to to respond to that. So this is probably

just the general fund bucket, which is why >> And felt I feel like him might have the answer to something It's can recommend man. So I believe this is probably something that is carried forward from

one of our facilities. So one of the community centers where they've experience and so they have identified a small amount for vandalism. But definitely the majority of it is within park maintenance,

numbers that could Thank you. And then just to Mark question on page, you've got $116,000 in credit card fees. >> I'm assuming knots, are for having to pay those because of the credit card usage? Is

that the facilities? >> Yes, again, the majority of that I would say and again recommend minutes rolled up, search it be inserted Jai center Acacia. And so typically on those we do have a processing

fee that we identify as well. But then this is showing, you know what those amounts are. >> thank Council in line with her. Yeah, guess this might be actually a quick question for Up on Page 5.53. >>

There's Kind of 5 year. Plan for capital improvement projects. And what I noticed is that there's a lot of things. How does the cap approve a prom dress get assigned to a year? Because none of the

parks. I mean, parks is basically void of any future assignment. So for the next 5 years is really. Nothing that was. Allocated parts for the next 5 years. >> And I MAY differ back over to parks

because we coordinate with each department to identify the projects that are brought forward and they go through the prioritization process. >> And then get funded in that way. And if there are future

your obligations in that project, then we would be reflecting that. But if it's just needing one-time funding, it would be funded in one year and then the funding is there for however, long it takes

to complete the project. >> So when we look at some of these different ones that have been projected over the next 5 years. It's because we couldn't really get all done in one year. >> So because

those projects for so I'm going to go down and maybe just pick one for citywide ada. Compliance is the second one down there that has it for every year. And that project receives funding each year.

Projects that would be accomplished in that year. So that's kind of the annual bucket that gets funded because those ada projects happened in each year across the city. But if there's a one project

and make it up. It's not a project, but the chiller at the surge. I center. That's just one time. We need the funding in one year. We don't need and annual allocation to that project. So these

projects very typically are funded in a single year. It's the full amount of funding for the project and then they don't need anything else going forward. They're only if you, for example, facilities

prioritize projects those type of things we provide funding each year and because it handles the whole bucket of different types of items. >> So there there was on page 57. We're kind of talks about.

Operational budget requests. And I imagine these are requests that were made but were denied, but they're listed right. >> At the beginning of the book and those operational requests. Only that is

does not contain the capital childcare costs. >> Because some of these things kind of look, I mean, there's a graffiti machine. There's a couple. I mean, you kind of feel like the council approved

project to 58. Some lists that are kind of in the parks area. That. >> Some are some are staffing, but other thing seem like, I mean, a feeding machine that doesn't sound like That's stopping. >> So I

was trying to understand, like why were there things like that here? So request made here and this page on 58 and then in the back of the book. On Page 5.63, there's like 4 pages part stuff that's

listed out that total. Excuse me bunch of pages here. 310 million dollars. And that the 310 million dollars on Page 5.67, and and that's the total capital improvement projects that. I guess art. >>

Our our to be potentially looked at in the future. >> Right. Those are the needs that have been identified but not funded. Okay. Yes. So that's the unfunded portion of their capital. >> how does

something get like on the five-year plan? There just isn't any mechanism that get somewhere or >> And we did. And we can go through this Navy with you offline at the beginning of the presentation this

morning, we talked through all of the parrot is Asian processes that the budget office runs in order to put the budget together. And one of those is a capital improvement program. Prioritization

process. And so each department that has capital projects comes together and they submit their projects and those go through a ranking and a prioritization and then depending on the amount of funding

that we are able to dedicate to capital projects, we go down that line of those present ranked and prioritized list and those are the ones that were able to capture and then the rest of them remain

unfunded. >> Okay, I'm just trying to I mean, I'm just again when I see a number that's 310 million, 184,700 and requests. >> And there's no there's no plan. There's no. I mean, those are just hanging

out there that's kind of a challenge. And that doesn't include the ones that were. Actually put forward in the first part, I think there's something they are separate because they're not can see for

every department that has projects. Yeah, there's a long list of unfunded capital projects. Not quite that big but But yes, okay. All right. >> Chime in on that. One question, thank you. Going back to

the 5.53. The citywide prioritize cip projects. Or a flat out in future years. >> Because those haven't been determined yet. And so it's not that there's they're not allocated specifically yet. If you

look back and past years, you don't see anything in that category. And so is this a holding? Place until we identify specific needs and specific years. Other than the fire station, the largest chunk

of the money in future years. Actually, it's the largest in future years. >> I'm consulting with my professional on this one moment. Please. >> Well, your consulting all this mentioned that we have 63

active cip projects in various stages of completion within Pierre c s right now. Some time not yet started and some are in progress. But those total about 40 million dollars and funding. And then 18

million of that is on obligated right now. >> So we have a lot of projects assist having that team members to leave to provide that project management is probably gap there. That we need to be able

to. To have enough team members to be able to carry through with projects. >> Well, I I guess my cause my my thinking is that if you get on the list like for the next 5 years, you kind of can plan.

And so all these other departments have gotten on the lists. And so when it does come around for time to allocate what's left. Parks has ever made the you know, hardly ever makes a We're going to make

a list will have that put together. So we've been working a lot on our asset management system and we're nearing the end of. >> Hopefully having all that data collected within the next maybe 6 months

but will have a capital plan that will move forward. And that's also a reason why we want to get our park system master plan data in front of us because and that helps us also prioritize that list.

Yes, I believe that's also kind of the intent of why we left blank because we don't want to put things in there and then pulling back and saying these are new priorities. So hearing from the community

was a real important process. Our park system master plan, ok? Thank you. >> Has a look at 5.53. There's other categories here. Facility, security facilities. Emergency management. Emergency

maintenance. Some of that will wind up being in parts. But of you had a chance to confer. >> That's correct. And the citywide facilities maintenance covers all departments of the city. And the reason

you don't see any history is because we typically that is the bucket where we budget those and then as specific projects are identified, we would put the funding in those projects. And that's why you

don't see those actual as they would show up in specific projects that we would be funding with those funds. >> Okay. Thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate your support. Thank you. >>

Public >> works. Turn my mic off. So goal situation here. Good Morning Council. PRESIDENT Cry person counts, approached them. So good. I say good morning. That along to. Summer. So I get a do-over

like he started over a couple of times. Yes, you can start again right? >> Good morning. Members of City Council. Good afternoon. I will talk with Skylar look after this meeting. He clearly sabotage

me. My name is Richard Lady or search for the city. And joined here with Gayle started in the Derby pub or structure and city engineer. So go through the presentation. Please. Feel free to stop me and

that I will make sure when council or when COUNCILMAN Hinge and comes back all address the forestry question. Okay. So we'll start with or additional charges. We can kind of get an idea of what's in

public works. On the left. We have city engineering. We have the parking enterprise. We have traffic engineering operations and maintenance trant and the stormwater prize. And then within operations

and maintenance. Course, we have forestry, which we talked about a little bit. We also have the quality of life, which is the camp cleanups teams. The keep it clean, which is the right way have teams

and also code enforcement. So if you have questions you can keep in mind that those are all embedded into operations and maintenance. Here's our our position count for the few years you can see is

broken down between Enterprise is grant funded positions and general fund. The enterprise, of course, or store enterprise and the parking enterprise, the grant funded or of positions are. Now Metro

transit. Actors will make sure. And then within the general fund, you can see, you know, just maybe let me go back to the top, which is the enterprise. There no additions fro from mid-year to the

2027. There were a few positions that were added to the storm where enterprise during this year. And you see that from the 25 5 actual 2026 and that was based on. Some needs within a one of the one of

the programs within the storm, water enterprise. 3 positions going from 30 to the 35 within transit. Those are positions that are technology support for transit. Really? It supports so that it

functions that would be within They would work within the confines of it to help transit with their needs. So if you had a question about that, and then, you know, probably the main thing in the slide

and just same with over all the other departments, certainly parks and others you see in 2025. Going from 2025. In the 2026 amended, we had some positions that were unfunded and and then ultimately

inundated. And so that went from the 326 and a quarter down to 3, 10.5 and those positions. There are a few positions that were that were removed within our GIs and asset Management group, some

positions within the concrete pavement, operations and maintenance group and then some positions within contract management. And traffic and some other areas. You'll see the proposal to add 4

positions within that area. And that's covered in slide coming up. And that's the pothole crew that's showing in my presentation. I think next slide. So we can talk about that. COUNCILMAN Drizzly.

Yeah, thanks, MADAM PRESIDENT, every morning. I mean, good after. Good morning. I I was joking. Must be in some other you touched on something just now that I was curious about because when I looked

at the unfunded positions, I saw the public works had 12.7, 5 fte unfunded. And yet there's this proposal to add this pothole crew of additional individuals key. >> I'm trying to understand and

reconciling my mind. Why? Some wonder whether is your department or someone else is asking for for additional people to fill potholes yet. When there are 12 points and 5 other unfunded positions that

continue to remain unfunded. I look at what those positions do. Not the public works director, but I have to imagine that they are probably a lot more important and valuable to the overall

organization and join potholes. And I don't mean to belittle or diminish the importance of filling pot holes. But seems like a nice to have as opposed to maybe some were critical. Must have Hines

rolls. Can you talk a little bit more about how we ended up with 4 fte to fill potholes as opposed looking at what I view to be maybe more important roles. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And so, you know,

first of all, it's kind of you know, you're percent okay. There was. So there are positions that were unfunded and ultimately eliminated. >> And then our asking at 4 positions back. I mean, the same

as could be. Please don't eliminate the existing for, you know, it's kind of same thing. So either way, if you about the slide, we're going to lose, you know, positions within operations and

maintenance group. And so instead of losing a certain number of positions, you know, we maybe lose left we had 4 back. Okay. So to those to start with that. I mean, either way you're not you're not

going have more than what we had in 2025. You never back to that. I think every department isn't that same. You know, predicament world. We all limited resources up with a lot of work to be done. So

to your question, though, about potholes you know, the way that potholes are addressed in our city is in the confines of the other work within the operations made it groups that do that work. So I'll

be brief posed. Give you an idea of how it works with 4 districts in our city. If you know the city's quadrant out into 4 districts as we have for district crews and each one of those crews in that

district, there's somewhere between 12 to 14 people write love and the 14 people something like that for each group for each district crew and in those districts. So you take the North. West or the

South, you know, east or something like that. Each one of those cruise is responsible for a number of things are responsible to do. Pothole. >> Operations, a response to regular, you know, large patch

dugouts concrete work. They're responsible to do, you know, repairs within the right away, some drainage work onto the road, all the whole of it. And so. >> In in the in the in the positions that

ultimately eliminated. Those 2 of those were from those district crews. And then a number of those were from a another program with an operation made it switches. Contract management, inspectors and

managing contracts. And so when I looked at how we did this year with, you know, the reduction in the in the in the folks that we have within that operations group. We were still able to now I want to

diminish the unbelievable. Strain that put on the group's. But they were able to deliver those contract management. They're able to handle that deficiency with the inspectors within that group and

still deliver on to see contracting, still deliver on what they're ready to do and that and the other group. And so, you know. Putting back the 2 people within the district crews was the first step to

get them whole again and then adding some resources because those all of those district crews struggle not only do potholes, beta struggle to do all their work. And so, you know, if you have a large

roadway operation, one of the district's that's going to be a large to go to large in-house repaving. That whole crew MAY work on that for a week or week and a half. And there's no potholes running

during that time. You know, they MAY take all those resources. And so in order to 2, make sure that or to attempt to make sure that there's always some resources to do potholes matter what work is

happening our city. That's what that was about. It's like let's try to, you know, we're not we're not trying we're not going to get back to the 3.26. I mean, you know, just no budget for that. Again,

we're not the only department, certainly all departments are doing more with less, you know, this year and they and will they will continue next year. But it was trying to add overall resources. But

with a specific task of say, hey, let's let's have let's always have crew that we could point to. That's gonna do potholes and matter what. So that gives you an idea. Taking the stress off the other

work and still being able potholes. That was the theory. It does. But again, I would argue that some of the other until positions. >> my view, the more high level in more critical to overall operation

of think that's fair. You know, there's yeah, absolutely. And there, you know. >> And we're just trying to put resources where, you know, we can, you know, kind of address the best customer service at

the time. So I think that's a legitimate, you know, you know, it's a debate that's a legitimate conversation. You know, look at it. You know what to So. I'm not trying to to muddy the waters, but it

was it's more. To me is a pub or structures more about getting more resources into the operations and maintenance group to do all the work, not just potholes and so, but that was the theory of it.

Appreciate that. Yeah. What is a pothole crew due in JANUARY or DECEMBER when it's too cold to fill potholes? >> Yeah, that's a good question. So you know the and it's the same with the district

through. So again, you have a crew of 12 to 14 people are 50 people in district on a given day. They MAY be assigned to go anwork within an area that has a large reconstruction of apache roadway and

some concrete that MAY be assigned to go work in the right away, too, to to repair a drainage pipe underground work on that rather side during JANUARY. You know, certainly if it snows they're going to

be plowing. They also plow. And so if they're not doing potholes, there's just unlimited amount of backlog of things to do. You know, part of that is where large city and 205 square miles and a lot of

roadway. So the new number of things as they answer your question, I mean, just, you know, mean, it's within the right away and there and they're assigned to do, you know, to do all that. Now we do

crews. We try to do have specific want it. The one outside of that is the drainage operations crew. Those drainage crews are different crews that only work on drainage related projects like pawns and

and channels increases streams. And the reason for that as the storm, water enterprise contracts. That's right. Where Bush or a kid. Engineer not account for the record. Contracts with the with the

with the General Fund and operation of Minutes to do the work of of drainage maintenance, specifically relate to the requirements of are ms 4 permit. So those crews work only on drainage because

they're getting paid by the enterprise and an issue 300. So everybody else. And during an operations, I mean, that's the whole, though. You go. Where your sign, you know, because that's where the need

is so chair and not to beat a dead horse. But again, I'll just, you know, maybe highlight that was in traffic engineering. You've got 32.0, 7, Ft. >> And there are traffic engineering roles that are

unfunded. Absolutely. And, you know, again I can see the argument that. Having an inspector to out on the street inspecting projects in the right of way. Helps to move the needle and move things

forward more rapidly. Absolutely. You know, rta projects or to see project to repair projects or what have that's absolutely true. I mean, there's just no doubt about that. Yeah, those are critical

roles in the contractor roles. You can't. >> You know, you can't deliver contracts of your contract measures. So, yes, yeah, absolutely. They're definitely critical. So >> So how many pothole crews do

you have today? >> So right now we there are. 13 part hold trucks in our fleet at any given time, though, because of the way that equipment works. You know, it's either down because it's broken or is

down because needs to be maintained. We MAY have 7 or 8 Apollo trucks that are available to run. We can we can we have those many cruise as long as we don't have other work that needs to be So that

makes sense like correct if I'm wrong for pothole crews in the budget completely. >> Okay. So hip or possible. Cruz not to contracts. That's what I thought I side. You're not happy. You're just asking

for another pothole crew. Right? Where asked yes. You're asking for an additional pothole crew But if we do a pothole push, so to speak or something like that, we then we can take from the other

district crews will try to get as many people in trucks pothole with every truck that's available. >> But you do have pothole Krewson says something you said with the storm water brings me to the to

see so I know intimately. And then to see per prohibits city employees doing that work. However, it doesn't keep them from contracting out. And so I don't know best and highest use MAY not be to add

for if it if he's winning the tc could contract it out and wouldn't you agree? Filling pot holes is just a Band-Aid. >> Absolutely. I mean, that is true, right? I mean, the ultimate fix for road is

without a doubt paving and so comes and that's one of the reasons comes to to see. We want to put money it as much money as we can into the repaving because that is the ultimate fix. I mean. But

public is a necessary thing. But what use is it is exactly true. That is the symptom not. You know, I'm not the disease and we have 80 million dollars a year 80 million dollars in to see. >> Go yes,

ma'am. Yes. So that's pretty significant. It is. Yeah. And so when you're talking best and highest use instead of adding 4 more. That could go to consider is Lee's point other. To be filled. >> you >>

could have to see. But they had had just have to use outside contractors they can city employees. >> Well, I think the end, I think if you I think I see you're gonna obviously series and its solid, I

think, you know, because you're using okay, other funds that ultimate air road. I think we'd be better served in that scenario just personally to say if there's if there's money, if there's more money

this year into available to see what's let's pay the extra roads, you know, pick pick the worst, the worst to pay Because, again, I mean, got to stir the pot holes on those road. >> So, yeah, use the

stormwater scenario. So it is the to see Council my Yeah. Yeah. I just want to just confirm. I >> The latest kind of works like the summary that we have on page. 57, that's the summary of a general

fund operations budget requests. Okay. Yeah. Those were unfunded request yet. But these are all the requests coastal some of these did get to make the list. Actually, I think the only thing that made

the list was the was the addition of one p# or that's what trying to. I'm trying play in the process because the potholes didn't they weren't on this requested list. Maybe because they made so they

weren't on the but I've seen other ones like in the parks, all the parks, a fundamentalist did go over. Several of the other ones, too. So I just didn't. It's suggested that it wasn't on the recall

list. And that's I just didn't know the process about. How did this pothole thing come up one week like Teresa Lee's point, we had all these other things that was probably maybe your first priority.

Well, we submitted we submitted public works a minute. I submit a number of of of unfunded request Apollo ews on that and we want >> exercise as a city to no rain stack and everybody voted. That's

where the pothole, you know, additional Apollo crews I do. It came in from another list of some on this list. And I don't know why some us us make statement. >> The list that year, I believe you're

referring to Councilmember Lane where that starts on page. 57, those are the things that are not funded. So anything that is funded in the budget would not show up on this list. MAY be cases where it

was partially so but the pothole crew will not show up on this list. I don't believe because it this one pothole crew got funded. Well, so it's not on the unfunded list. >> And I I understand that a

hurry. I obviously been looking at parks with the microscope right? The 2 things that are getting funded. The park. The master plan and then also the Wilson Ranch are on this list. So that's that led

me to assume. That that's the way it was that this was the request list. And then off of this list is what actually need the did list. >> And the what's showing up there for Wilson ranches. That

example its 2 different parts of the project. It's not the same project that you're It's the same amount as 500,000. So it's. >> So there's the other one that got funded is the re plaster. Okay. And

this is so this is a different component kind of dealing with Wilson Ranch. Okay. It. Numbers were the same so can see s they are the same. Okay. All right. Thanks. Attention and answer quicker. And

just on that quick as urgent understanding this correctly is. >> There's those pages. The 57 58, 59. From those pages, it was funded. They ended up at the bottom of just 2, 6, I feel like these are

all the things that were above and beyond like yours are first loss of the budget. >> Things that didn't make the first flash ended up on 57 58. 59. And then if they manage to make the cut, then

they're at the bottom of page. 56, correct? Okay. Thank you. Sorry. As Right. So just sort go tonight that. >> I couldn't always been interest in the in the pages. 57 58 59 every budget year. It's

basically up to me what the city needs, but we can't afford Wright's unmet level of service, you so what gets to the bottom of in this case? Page? 56 is really look. It's prioritized and going back to

process. And I got to admit, I haven't been paying attention every single second of today's discussion, but I've been trying, I think what I heard was these priorities came out. Conversations with all

department head is that accurate and fair? That is accurate. Yes. The term or we parsing words by calling it a pothole crew. I think what I also hearing from your riches. That's not going we're not

going to hire those people and they're never going to do anything but potholes, correct? I mean, it's really I mean, I'm just trying to understand kind of matters. I mean, honestly, it's a little

political right when it gets down to what do you prioritize? What do you really care your your priority is your budget? >> Yeah, I think the idea there was, you know, obviously if you have a pothole

crew, the idea was, again, right now, the way worse, 2 of the 4 districts and we do pa wing within those districts with those crews. But they other stuff all the time. The idea was okay. If we had at

least one pothole truck running all the time, doing nothing appalling unless it's snowing their they would. They were plowing cdl licenses and they would out or if it's not possible to pothole.

Certainly there are many days where, you you know, lights snowing raining you can't. You can't hop the rain we can, but it will Yeah. Like 2 days later be popped up. So there So the idea was ok, if

you had almost like would be almost like a floater, you know, it's a pothole crews. So if just recruit over here in the North East saying they had a big project that's s# up all the resources for a

week and a half because they have to fix something big. Okay. Move that crew over there and have them at least continue a pothole. Again, I think. So many things to be true at one time and in the end,

the truth is like pa, you know, ultimately paving the road is what we want to do. You want fix the roads? You know you you don't want to you know, you don't want to continue was trying to give a great

health example. But I haven't she fasted had like this great analogy about flipped on. Don't have one. What you know that ultimately want to pave the roads are going to get to you don't want to

continue to pothole, but that was the that was my theory of it, which was ok, it Reese. And that's why it was almost like. No most. It was simply like, listen, if this, if this crew is funded, it will

do this. You know, to the best can possibly keep them doing post and hopefully the answer your questions. Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's, you know, and everybody every department certainly parks. I

mean, you know it. I mean, their apartments that had huge cuts last year and they're having so much more with less. And ultimately it's just trying to, you know, get back the resources, you know, so I

don't want to take away a big family around the table. Who gets the best piece of you know me? Yeah, but I mean, I want to diminish the needs of other departments. They're real >> Now for sure. I

mean, it's hard, right? It's hard. Yeah, is what to prioritize. But I guess I guess that's ultimately I think the conversation we're having and the the healthy tension that MAY exist sometimes between

City council who represent all the city. But also, you know, the mayor also represents all the city and where does this and put come from? Certainly comes from citizens and what they care about. And

you all hear that and we're all trying to figure out how do we how do we spread the peanut butter on the bread and make sure every corner gets covered in everybody's happy with that. And that's really

an impossible task, actually. But yes, oh, ok, thanks. >> were questions. Okay. I think it was on slide 3 so Hurry it up. I'm sure I'm sure you do not want me to take all that. I would get by kickoff.

We will get through. Grasses starting look like that picture. That's like the endless staircase that you never get out. Okay. So this is our total funding. So it's for a little, you know, over 4 21

Million. >> You see a very large chunk of spp rta ppr to is spread out between ppr to capital and maintenance. It also includes city engineering. Transit operations and maintenance or running as well

as traffic. So there's that's all embedded in that a large amount of grants. And we could talk a little bit about Tell you, there's some large capital grants and Gayle and, you know, is just one of

the best people ever getting large, you know, grants. And so there's some bridge grants and things like that in there. We could talk about that. If you would like to Stuart a prize. That's the revenue

that's generated from the fee that's on every developed, improved property. We have the parking enterprise about 10 million you have the general fund. That's that part of the job. He's like mainly

majority of the general fund funding for public works is really the staffing with then operations and maintenance city engineering than on Enterprise staff. We have the to see funny that they just

under 80 million that council PRESIDENT Iverson mentioned. And then we have the other, which which can tell you what that is. If you if you our interests and that is. By tax fund. So that's the $4 fee

on every bike that's purchase new. And then a small amount of interest on the street tree fund. And that's in our overall. So the bike fun as a 10800,850 and then the interests of $109 entry tree

fund. I bring that up because that's the court. Question of forestry that came up earlier from council number. Jim. About the beetle and its devastating. So that fund has about 97,000 in it and that

is, that is kind of the first bucket of what Matthew Puckett is going to use to battle that situation. Start replant trees so that you asked earlier of what money he was using. That's it right there.

And I think we'll see that in the 28 budget. I don't know where it is somewhere over there with those folks over there. But I think they have it. So the real. This is funding by division operations

and maintenance 125 Million. Again. That's but there's a to see dollars in their city. Engineering. Lot of pprta and grants within within those dollars parking enterprise is obviously the fees from

meters and parking lots and parking garages. That's what they generate storm water. That's the combination of what they generate from their fee and then couple grants that storm waters expecting to

get for channel stabilization this year and then transit. That is a combination of general fund dollars and federal grant match. And then we have traffic engineering, which is, you know, the general

fund dollars. Plus grant dollars that are mixed into that. And those are the narratives. This is capital improvement. Cip funding. You see it's about 268 million dollars again, Prt a to c isn't there

large amount of grants for roadway projects, bridge projects, infrastructure projects in general. And then some, you cip work within parking so water prize and then some general fund cip dollars which

are mainly match dollars. I think for a federal grants and other grants match money. Here's our list prior. >> Okay. So I had buy Europe but that's okay. Just going back on that bicycle tech. Yeah.

And maybe you said this before. I'm sorry, if you did. But I'm assuming those dollars go directly to capital improvements that will support. >> Infrastructure. Yeah. Tell usually is actually fec case

to really traffic or of? >> Bike and pedestrian safety improvements. Traditions. So I was trying to burn through You know, I know you guys are. The priorities for 2020's. I get why did say good

morning? Like 5 I don't know why I'm not. I had great So the 2027 priorities we have a number of, you know, it's I just want to say it. It's hard to put all the priorities as we have a lot of

divisions and a lot of programs and they're all but they work so hard. They're also important. They all have very high priorities. But I have a very of one slide. And so want to cover a few. But there

are other priorities. And it's one of the minutes the work of everybody within public works because certainly forestry has a major priority of fighting this. You know, this beetle. So with that said,

hear hear kind of the 5 parties that a really high level for us and that's completed 2027 to see plan concrete and paving operations on time and on budget. That is certainly in year to see is. To

public works and crucial to our cities. So under no circumstances that we not meet you know, those commitments, ensuring the storm are pros continues, operate well within compliance and legal

obligations, storm water. I think many of, you know, as a number of we have a consent federal consent decree we in are going green. But blow. There's a lot of numbers for permit federal permitting. So

there's a lot of obligations and we certainly make sure that we continue to meet those obligations. And I never have any issue there. Continue to deliver a ppr to capital projects and maintenance

operations on time within budget. Just like to see ppr today. You could just never under state how important and that program is and, you know, Gayle runs that and so that one, you know, is like

checked off the boxes. She knows what she's doing. That improve public safety with implementation plan traffic and pedestrian demonstration projects. We have a number of of. Traffic safety

initiatives. I think we've you've heard some of them. We've had some a lot of demonstration projects, really, folks, he talks really focused this year on improving pedestrian safety improving no

safety overall within our traffic. Networks. And then continue 5 responsive, a professional customer service for our citizens stakeholders. We did a number of requests every day and contacts. And, you

know, we care deeply about those and want to make sure that we do the best we can for the citizens that, you know, pay us to do our work. So those are priorities. With that, there's any other

questions. I'm here to answer him. >> I don't to step COUNCILMAN Rainy, slow to the punch again. >> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, this is more of a quick It's not on. I saw Darnya unfunded list. The

geographic information system. Analysts yet looking for like a senior and then technician. How many do you currently have? That's a good so within. So those folks live with an asset management called

asset management and they're in charge of, you managing the assets of within public works, which are vast. So that's tracking and, you know. >> And and, you know, managing the reporting >> all of

that. But they also do a tremendous amount of other work for us. I mean, just, you know, all kinds of joyous related work. And so that group, by the way, is under Gayle within city engineering. And I

think that group has about a 3rd teen. 13, ok? So about 13 total and so the 2 positions there, those were actually unfilled unfunded positions that got eliminated. You know, they were they were

unfilled last year. So we kappelmann filled and then there, you know, eliminate it in this year's budget. So that's why they were in there as a as a request to know to, you know, I think everybody

requests try and get every everything that was unfunded back. You know, so that's what that's about. Key thing that you just mentioned, they were unfilled. Yes, prior to And that group does a lot just

under 2 minutes. They're 13 people, but they do an unbelievable amount of work for. For 13 folks. Protests mentioned. >> Thank you. This actually reminds me in this might be a question for sure. Me

actually. >> But on this unfunded. Requests. I know this last year a lot went on there that we haven't recovered. But there have been other positions on there for a long time. Is there a way to? Or

maybe it doesn't matter? But is there a way to categorize like what just we lost versus ones that have been on there and felt the need for the last 5 years. But we haven't had the funds to know what

I'm saying. Making sense. >> I believe I understand what you're saying. And, you know, we don't necessarily classify them for how long they've the. Budget request list. But I. And I agree writ riches,

correct? That. We did have most departments and to the budget request the things that they lost. And 26 so but we also have them prioritize their budget requests. And so in most cases, I the if they

were positions or funding that they lost in 26 would go straight to the top the list because they want those back before they were then, you know, wanting to add no position. So well, I guess I'm kind

of thinking really holistically about, for example, the long-term trend of parks, which is just spend, continue to go down down down down down. >> You know, how do avoid that or how do you pay

attention to? It's probably a conversation for later, thank course. >> Thank you. We are going to take a 15 adamant PRESIDENT. I'm sorry. MAY I I think if I could please clarify one item on the

Capital Project listing just before we take a break. Yeah, ok, thank you. So this is going back to council member line Weber asking about the Wilson Ranch. And where is that and how do we see that? So

on Page? 56 that we've been looking at, which are the things that are included in the budget where we on this list. You don't see specifically those capital projects, but about a 3rd of the way down

on the page. In the one time changes to expenditures, you'll see a line that says transfer. To Capital Improvement program. For about 9 point. I'm sorry, 7.3 million. That is where you would capture

those funded capital projects, which then you can see the detail about in the capital improvement section and specifically on Page 5, 3, 7, you would be able to them specifically c those items that

are funded and you Wilson Ranch pool reply, Astor. And so then that gets to Lenny, did there. So we have the page and the expenditure. Overview. You just see the total that's transferred to the Cip

fund back in the Capital improvement program. Funding on 5.37, then you see specifically what that's going to be funding. On the 5.37, the dollar amount is larger because there are there's other

moneys within that funds that we're using. But the 7 million is a transfer over and this is what it's being used for. So that's where you see the detail of what the general fund money is. Funding.

Just I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you. And I'm ready to take a break there. Yeah, we're going to take 15 so we'll be back. Around 2 17. We're in recess. For the 6. Good afternoon and we'll

come back to the city Council 2027 budget work session and next step we will hear from. >> They're poor. Good afternoon, Alex. >> For the record, though, to watch. Airport director for the Colorado

Springs Airport. I really appreciate the opportunity to have a conversation here called the airport that specific to the airport budget. Talk about airport priorities as we were looking at 2027 budget

and we were starting to develop the budget. Number one priority is always Air Service development our goal is to maintain everything that we have today find a way to increase either through new

Airlines. New Service. More frequency of service and so on and so forth. And these are not any particular order, by the way, on the screen peaking of Mission Park in continuing to develop become a

vision park is definitely one of our goals. And we continue focusing on that. Revenue diversification. Both airline and on the air by revenues. That's also long-term goal because that's the only way

we find a way. To decrease the cost. 4 airlines operating in and out of Colorado Springs. Facilities for the future. When you see that, thinking about the long-term capital program. For the airport.

So we're working on a 10 year program, but continuing to fit to work on the concourse. Redevelopment should be some point next year. Infrastructure and other things. Of course, people people center of

attention for us. We want to make sure that we keep everybody that we have. Find a way to and give them opportunities moving forward. The org chart has about 129 people at the airport and I apologize

for both small print there. It's a little difficult to read. Couple of changes that we made to this in 2026, you MAY remember that airport economic development rolled back to the airport. We took that

position formally choice Stover's position upgraded it to. And therefore chief commercial especially assistant director level position. And that person is going leave bolt or another call and non

aeronautical development at the airport. So all contracts leases and including peak Innovation Park. 129 physicians total here. That includes 13 police officers. You see that there's a slight decrease

compared to 2027 2026. And the reason we have that is we have one position that was not filled in 2026. Because of it. Specialist. And we're actually going with service so service contract for that.

It has to do with maintaining our airline systems. Coming uses them, you know, for the alliance. And that's not just 8 hour shift. So we're trying to figure out was the best option there for us. >>

Did you plan the air plane to go over? Had? During this presentation? >> No, because of the delay, I was supposed to have a difference like that. But it >> Okay. Just making sure that was you. >> It

was made yes. Thank you for allowing me to take credit for that. So it's as you know, none of 129 people are funded by any kind of tax revenue funded by. User fees and charges. Total funding. Close

227 million dollars. And that's a huge number. If you ask me, especially if I'm looking at a true operating budget of just around maybe 30 million or so. Capitol. You see close to 10 million dollars.

It's about a 10 million dollar reduction compared to 2026. And the reason for that is we're getting close to finishing that terminal. Redevelopment project. On the grand side. 36 Million. It includes

some wishful thinking, if you will. And I want to talk about that. One of the upcoming slides and then moving back to the airport and prize, which is over 80 million 81 1 Million. I wish I had than 81

million dollar operating budget. I don't. But the majority of that has to do with the fees that we were this a painting to pay for the development. That's because the mission part, I told them up to

be this loud. The show. I am responsible for this court. Well, they just want to make sure that the right questions are being asked But that's all. We will add police request for a high-speed jet in

order to. >> In order to ticket such. Yeah, rapid displays of Boise. >> It will be that low. So back to So the over 80 million dollars again, 40 plus million of that wasn't anticipated payout. Sales

at Capital program. As you see, 2 different columns. They're one of the enterprise, which is overall dissipated to be funded by airport funds, whether that's cash or rates and charges or a customer

facility charge is where passenger facility charges. All of those good things. And then right next to it. The grant. Over 32 Million. And as a part of that was talking about the somewhat wishful

thinking, you see an item there for about 50 million dollars. But I'm hoping we're going to get some additional grant funding. But at this point, I'm not sure what the actual location is going to be,

if obviously, for not receiving it without spending. If you see it's not tied to any one specific couple project. But there's a lot out there on the airfield that we could accomplish if the faa

decides to gives us an extra funds. So there's a reason it's included that way. A couple of things that I would like to highlight on The business Park substation. You see the 3.4 million dollars that

was and dissipate as cost for 2027 based on. The castle says that was provided by csu while ago. We have to go back and have some discussions around that executive agreement for both existing cries

substation upgrades and then also what was contemplated some point in 2025. Adding to new substation. The condors development continues. And you see a couple projects. They're working for elevators

and one for replacement. Both of those were hoping to have the grants to pay for. They're also going to have a local sheriff. So we're going to use either airport cash or airline rates and charges to

fill that gap for the local share, which is typically about 10%. We're also contemplating cover parking. This is something that we have talked about now for a little while. We're still analyzing what

the cost could be. The reason that is we to the parking study about a year ago. Their estimated cost for space was around 3 to $5,000. Conversations with my team. They're talking closer to $50,000, a

spot and this is not a proper garage by any means. This is just. Covered. Parking. And by the way, we do have some covered parking at the airport. >> I learned that this year COUNCILMAN Hinge him.

Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT. Clearly this is not my area of expertise, but 1.5 million dollars just to do a design. Just for the design. >> If we move forward with actual cover parking, it likely will

be a substantial amount. These are placeholders a typically what we see is somewhere around 10% for the design. We're not anticipating at this point a cost of 50 million dollars. So it's likely a bit

>> okay. It just seems don't like it. Those end at this point. It's a place holder. The goal would be to. Have covered parking for over 600 spaces. So it has to cancel out. There has to be a return on

investment. And that's the part that is still holding. Goes back a little bit. Because I need to understand a reasonable order of magnitude on cost before we move forward. So that's that's a place

Holder. >> If you consulted with our parking enterprise, about this. Okay. Just because I know that's her expertise. Gottesman Donaldson. Yeah. PRESIDENT. >> But Alex, the covered parking year year

thinking about doing hail. That right? >> Yes, sir. We're anticipating some sort of a metal roof. The question and we're going back and forth is is that the metal roof that would cover bigger area. Or

is it more of kind of overhand, which? As kind of questionable, how much of hail damage that can prevent? Yeah. You mean? >> Like to cover the areas we drive in between the rows also versus just the

actual Rowe. And 24 s s and that's what we're talking about. Okay. Yeah. I can see the advantage to cover the whole thing and more expensive. But it's just really your car's not going to hit the back

or something. Parking out there now is it is it is it material ERs and metal? >> as the overhead and that I was talking about shows just close with overhand. It's only offered to the valet service all

we have is about 34 spaces so Tesla, so fairly quick when you have 1.2 million people coming through the airport every year, each us PRESIDENT Already force bases are sold Yeah. And >> I think we

talked about this little bit kind of one of the decisions is to Do ye, which would be better to have that covered parking right up close to the airport or >> on the other side of the short-term

parking outwards long-term. Right. You're still still subject to all. >> a decision? >> Correct. All depends you know, we're with them with a potential material and design and so on and so forth at

this talk process is to have it some place long term. Word just the way currently the parking flows. It's a natural area where we've him. Lack of better quarter off. Over 600 spaces because we would

have to build a brand new entrance for area. And so forth and I'm thinking about short term. To have just overhang were some metal structure. Straight across from the terminal building. I just don't

see the great design Good looking option at this point. Okay. Thanks. >> COUNCILMAN Hinge yeah. And are you or would you be willing to consider Soler on top of We would evaluate that. >> And my

understanding is the current 34 spaces that they developed. However, many years ago. Intent was to solar. And at that point to best-loved, actually the answer is we would evaluate that and see if

there's an option great. Thank you. Couple of infrastructure projects are point. Come up very quick runways and taxiways. We spend a lot of money and every year. Over 90% of that is from either

through the Federal Aviation Administration and then also see that up. He's grateful gracious enough. Actually, grateful their gracious enough to help us with a portion of the local share. They can

contribute up $250,000 a year to these projects. And Milton Proby that will be face number 3 that we intend to do in 2027. Let's talk a little bit about activity forecast, right? We're in the airport.

As you can hear, they're coming back. This was the area that they were supposed to be here for so question from council rainy. Yes, can't go back. One slide. >> The team at at 20 to 5 from my

understanding the faa is pushing a 12.5 built initiative. >> Across all airports across the nation. That something that they're going to be paying for? So these particular vehicles and what they're

going to be responsible for. But the onboard transponders to help out the air traffic control Tower. This 25 k something that we have to pay for? And if so, why? If they're going to be pushing this

initiative? >> Excellent question. The 20 to 5 the local share. These things will be on the order here. Pretty soon. We're going to be likely making a number of progress payments and 2026. So there's

a reason the only thing that you see there is the local share. The major, the majority of the cost is going to be paid through the Thank you. Okay. You're limited the forecast. Lended weight and

available seats booked. We're expecting to 4% decrease. Of course like you wonder, why is that happening? First, we lost a couple of flights in 2026. That's likely to Southwest Airlines. All the other

airlines are actually increasing either to capacity or adding more frequency to some destinations. Just bigger aircraft. Employee passengers, though, are increasing by one percent, which is kind of an

anomaly. If you look at the slide, the reason that's happening we're looking at little factors. So how many seats are sold each one of the aircraft? This 2026 is, but it was built on the bus. 78% load

factor. As we look at 2027 weren't dissipating 82%. So that's the On them that they're still increase in the number of passengers. Led way this is important metric for us because this is how we

calculate our lending few switches. So actually the total cost of operating the airfield. And dividing it by the and expressed 1000 pound increment. All the diversions that you've heard or like you

see and if you travel to the Colorado Springs are helping in lowering the landing fee because everybody has to pay a it's 100% cost recovery for us. At the end of the year, we have a settlement with

our SoCal signatory Airlines and they have to pay as they will. If we And the thing that was just Counselors, Lee. Thanks, MADAM PRESIDENT. I Alex, this might be a good place to ask a couple of the

questions that I've been kind of trying to grapple with. >> As it relates to employment just total passenger count. What's the status of the international terminal and you would. How do you anticipate

that factoring in to the 2027 budget and, you know, I assume that it's a completely some costs that this plane, just build it, even though that was uncertain about how successful that would be. But

talk about what the what the plan is going forward. First. Absolutely correct. On all of those things that you just said. So. >> International traffic is not included in the 2027 budget because

Southwest Airlines pulled a one flood that we have to Cancun. We have had numerous conversations with other carriers, foreign carriers likely Mexican carriers. And as of this conversation, we were not

able to bring anybody on the wanted you know, service of the Colorado Springs. >> Is the >> building a son cost? I think that's a fair statement. It is sitting there right now. The goal is and we have

done recently when we have an international diversion, we use the facility since we have process, folks through it. The plan as of right now is to keep it as is. In other words. To your point about

all that investment that was made into it it was a project that went on for think close to 3 years. Everything is being without any changes. So cbp still sort of in control of that. And we're hoping

that in the future we're going to be able to lend some international service. Because answer a question international. >> It does. So if if you if it's status quo and you're keeping an open just as

potential overflow of so many still in an international flight there, that tells me that obviously we're continuing to pay the tsa agents to sit there and maybe most days they don't have anything to

do or do only bring them in when there's a flight. This anticipated hat, how does that work? Because that's an ongoing expense that I wouldn't call part of the original capital improvements cost

agreed. >> Customs and Border Protection, folks. We had 3 people that. Under contract for us. We're going to discontinue the contract. And when we have a diversion based on conversations we had with

cbp, a pin number. They're going to have to send their own people down to process those folks. But to your point, we're not going to pay folks to just hang up. >> And so if we're seen a loss in

aviation activity obviously revenue associated with that. What are you doing to try to offset that loss and what are some of the other you One of your priorities was was diversification of revenue.

What is that? Can talk a little bit more about salute Lee. So on the airlines side, we're constantly out there focusing on adding more domestic >> service and we have had some very promising

conversations with a couple of airlines I'm hoping that those are going translate into actual service. Want to say, I adjust sitting back with the team and hoping for the best for out there actively

recruiting actively promoting. Based on the top 30. That's the missions that we have. That's based on data How many people travel each way every single day to our top 30 destinations. So on left side,

that's what we're doing. On the other portion we're focusing on development at the airport and I'm talking both aeronautical or another full development. Having some conversations for developing

hangers-on. And other things that are lend. Lease is on airport property on the west side the so General aviation side. Those are the operating revenues. Trying to find ways to continue increasing and

diversifying. To the point that I made earlier and that also includes Beacon Division part. Lisa's sum up. Sales. But Lisa's also would contribute to diversifying revenues. As of right now, we don't

include. And the revenue or expense of peak. In the airline rates and charges. Okay, thanks. A probably have some fall on questions about. >> Pekin of Asian side of things. But I don't want to delay

or presentations. COUNCILMAN Donaldson. That's that's my job to delay the presentation. Alex. It was the international. Should we call the terminal. So we call. Yes, were calling it these thermal unit

that was originally billed by West back. And that's to Gates that we out for that to be able to process international. >> Best interest. >> They're the funds to do that. Where did those funds come

from or any of with the federal dollars through grants was at all. >> The majority of that was federal grants and then there was also a large portion that was catch. >> What are the amounts there on

that? You know, >> didn't know thinking somewhere around. >> 4 plus million programs and somewhere around 4. For airport cash. So. >> Roughly 50 to okay. But about 4 million dollars. So that is good

for us to know because otherwise, you know, your figure in 10's 20's, what is it so about 4 million dollars? And that gives us the ability to now. Go out and attract an international flight. Right?

Without it. Couldn't do that. Yes, yes. Okay. So it's something of a it's it's not. Productive at the moment. But it was an investment which hopefully will pay the dividends and yes, that's absolutely

our goal to constantly be out there and try to market to international carriers. >> Okay. >> you talked about the cbp agents or officers probably are they there now ours that are even terminated

contract. A few of them are there They had. >> One retirement. And I think one other person. But I'm not exactly sure as of this moment, how we have a staff. Okay. The goal is to discontinue the

contract. Okay. >> There's not a date yet set for that. >> Not a specific date. We've been talking to them about this for a good number of months. And the reason there was has been the delay is

because we having what I would call somewhat promising conversations with some of the Mexican carriers, including visit at their headquarters. But it's kind of like this. >> Hawke, warm, cold

conversation work today. They were more data tomorrow. They don't respond so forth. So where we got to the conclusion that it's time to make the decision. Discontinue that particular contract. The

again, the reason we want to make sure we keep him as long as we have somewhat of of an opportunity was it's going to take some time. Bring him to read back up will come a very long time to hire these

couple of people. So, ok, I see. Okay, thanks. >> That's it. For now. >> So I talked about seats unemployment a little bit. You see just about 1.6 million seats that were available in the market this

year. 1.5 next year again, because we have dissipate the tire load factor which we're seeing this year. Does a reason and dissipating. The percent increase in the number passengers. So let's talk

about actual operating expenses and after that, we can talk about revenues. Also. >> And you see I want to make sure that we highlight things or separate things a little bit. >> Between the airport

proper and the business part because I think it's important for all of us to understand, you know, the intricacies, the are happening here between airport, aviation, the area and the business Park.

The colorful bar chart that is only operating expenses for airport proper, if you will. Uc just under 30 million dollar annual budget, we're seeing some increases in personnel. Also the other

operating expenses on the upside this far as expenses go. We're seeing a higher costs for the new parking operator that we brought on. And in addition to that, we higher and the pro rate dissipating.

27. For personal expenses. Dissipating. Some salary increases. Costs of insurance and retirement costs are all going up. So those are the estimates that we have included there. If I >> Yeah, I just

was curious. Admin versus personnel. So there are Ryan for admin and miscellaneous, admin and then you're going for personnel. Administration, not personnel. I'm just just want to clarify clarity

between you see the I'm back. >> City administrative fees. You know, it's lane. >> Well, that's kind of my soothing sounds. So that's the reason I can focus properly. Sorry so the admin pro rate that

is for all all the services that the city is providing to the airport. So those are the sheriff cost the postal personnel. Those are the folks that are actually located and directly operating for the

airport. >> I'm not going to tip I get it. COUNCILMAN Hinge him. Thanks. I missed whatever was ok? Okay. My question is about advertising and marketing. >> So I know a lark. When there's request for

large dollars to go to advertising and has to go to the chamber. Why just help me understand how it can be in this budget and then advertising has to go to like dollars for advertising for the airport

has to go to the chamber. >> Very good question. We're getting into the weeds a little bit inside a local. You can do the weeds later with no if you want. Yeah, so what I was talking about here when

it comes to advertising and marketing. So. >> There's 2 big buckets right? The advertising and marketing. These are airport funds that we have the ability to use. Whoever does all kinds of different

things do art fund that we received the prior years. We have not received an allocation for 2027, by the way. But prior years, including the current one word using more funds for is to be able to

market specific routes on specific airlines. Faa prohibits airport funds to be used the same way. So that's the reason there's that distinction. And that's the reason it's so important for us to have

access to the law or funds because to your point, those are not managed or administered by the airport Durden through chamber and those the reason they can be used for visitors. There it is. >> I got

it. Thanks. >> ok, I'm gonna move on to the business park here. You see a total of. Almost 47 million personnel, 600,000 operating expenses. 1.7 land sales. So I mentioned this at the beginning. The

reason we have over 40 million dollars, that was the anticipated. A payout. Whatever you want to call it to the developer for approximately 150 acres of land. That was forecasted to be sold in 2027.

And the last item. But you see her dilemma purchase. That is the 3.6 million. That is the phase, I guess of. The case land purchase. Has been progressive take down over 4, 5, years. So that is the

last portion over up the tank. It's about 46 acres. Jensen is Lee. Thanks, MADAM PRESIDENT. So >> if this is obviously in the budget book net increase of approximately 40.7 million for peak

developers, fees. I'm assuming that's what that is. So what is the value of the sale of the properties in total. What's the total proceeds that you anticipate to to get out of. Of these deals and can

can probably can't name specific names unless it code names. But how many projects are we talking that you anticipate closing 27? >> So let fact that a little bit Thanksgiving pieces, if that's easier

So So So about 150 acres, but it was the budget. 85 million approximately in. Revenue. 3 different projects. I'm not going mention the names, but I think, you know, some of them. 10 acres of those 3

is just an assumption based on higher sales. 2 projects that are included there. We're being discussed with budget was developed and the team felt at the time that they should include that and the

budget for 2027. So there's a reason it's 150 acres normally under normal circumstances. We only include sales that have a probability somewhere around 75% or higher. Because if it's lower, as you can

see, it can have a significant impact on And so one project that all I will name because it's been discussed publicly anyway is project Badger. >> Is that one of the ones that you have pay? Okay. So

my understanding of that project alone is that it would bring back about 60 million to the airport. Bottom line, my wrong in that. >> here's the reason that's a difficult question to answer we tell

based on just the last sale, how much would come to the airport? It would be roughly 50% of whatever the net proceeds are. I think also included in that. 16 million dollars in the making this you

know, making some assumptions. Was 8 a potential bomb missions by the district. And at that district having the ability to pay back the airport, some of the money is that. They will be our port. So

that's the only way it could be. 60 million other was. We would have to make. Over 120 million from that one project. Gross. And you heard me saying 85 million, 450 acres. So the only way we will get

60 is if we made over one 20. >> So obviously I'm hearing incorrect information somewhere out there. >> they MAY be combining some things >> Where are we with the purchase and sale agreement for that?

>> My understanding out. Some hope. And why is that? I don't know anybody want to comment. >> Sure. Good afternoon, Stephanie Foster City attorney. The city is reviewing with legal counsel. The

provisions of faa regulations governing the sale and lease of property purchased by the city with faa grant program funds, which include that project. >> And so whether it's that project or any other

project, your budget is predicated on land sales to help offset losses in operations. Is that right? >> No, because so sail proceeds can only be used for qualifying projects and they're only for

capital faa, qualifying projects. I don't have the ability to use the sale proceeds for any of the airport operating expense. Isn't that the whole purpose for having a pa and business park associated

with airport? I mean, these are down all over the world. And reason is offset the costs associated with. >> Operating an airport and subsidize the operational expenses. Absolutely. Revenue would work

exactly what you're describing. Solis revenues. >> Could because of their part of a normal airport revenue and those could be used to pay for operating expenses. Sales in this particular situation.

And it it's a little bit different for us because all of that 1600 acres were purchased. Federal grant if they were not persist with programs, then what you're saying would make I mean, that would be

correct. The North's here is that federal grants were used to buy all of And that's the reason that has. More stringent rules. >> That so. >> To indicate in the budget book that an increase of

approximately 29.3 million in revenue, mostly due to planned sale of property public park. Immune interest income is that not really an accurate statement? Its an accurate statement from a revenue

perspective the challenges will come to money actually be used for. So that's the sources and uses of funds as word. Kind of veto has a different nuance here. So it is a revenue. So there the revenue

that we would like deposit in the airport bank, but it would have specific rules on where the money can be used for a gun. If we're talking sale, Italy's, it's totally different. Yes, yeah, I get

that. So but it seems to me that maybe one of the allowed uses of those revenues that I'm talking about >> would be for things like Metro district expenses or other things associated with the property

that was purchased through those faa grants. >> Not Metro district expenses on those. They are qualifying projects considered by the faa. So that's which would be the infrastructure associated with

those properties started infrastructure like flat infrastructure. And we have made some investments in and those kind of things as the reason we have the to the airport by the district's. But not for

just anything. >> So again, if sales don't go through the way that you're projecting, they might in 2027, it seems to me that you have an underlying problem in terms of meeting some of the the expense

expectations for infrastructure that's that's been put and maybe even paying off. You know, some storm water management costs and other things that have already been incurred is that. >> To some

extent, yes. So, for example, before. Dissipating buying some land with the sale proceeds and that's a qualifying expenses. Then yes, we would be impacted not being able to sew the 150 acres. Some of

the storm water and some of these other things. From our perspective, those are more operating expenses. That's if they're operating starting with chaos. They're operating expenses, that means you

should be able to pay them. Now. >> Yes, and we we are paying for all of Okay, great. So so far in 2026, we made of 4 million dollar payment to csu for water line project. That is. Allocated

percentage to the airport for all the on develop land out there. I'm just using that doesn't share. Thanks. Want to operating revenues. We have some with higher revenues, both the airline airline

categories. >> But $200,000 increase in airline revenues that doesn't make the tremendously happy because a lot of those and just cost recovery. But then on their line, revenues were looking at an

increase of over 2 million dollars. The majority of that comes from the of dissipated parking so higher utilization of our parking of the court come completely increasing. Great. So this point. Some

of the concessions you see you know, the refresh that has been done at the airport. On the retail side, we're working on the food and beverage so we're in to submitting an increase. There are also 4,

2027. Moving on to the business park. So this is where that 85 million dollars that's in the land sales category. And then there was a and over 10 million dollar estimate for reimbursement. I remember

correctly when we contemplated this budget, 10 million dollars was supposed to be for. >> The Honey badger portion of Substation. And that's my last slide. >> I don't questions. I'm waiting for those

late. But punchers for a thank you. Thank Thanks for the air show. >> It was very good. >> Too bad. You could see it. I know. Know. But we heard it. I hope you feel comfortable. Yes, So. Thank you.

You're welcome. >> does look like that concludes our report outs to now. We will have a wrap-up. Sheree. >> For the record, Cheri McDaniel, chief financial This concludes our work session Today, City

Council for the 2027 budget. I concur. It was a long day. Thank you for being here and participating in. You know the questions getting everything out. Our next steps are the public hearing that we

will have on OCTOBER? 26 after believe the work session from 5 30 to 7. Do have our council markup session on OCTOBER. 29th. And so this is the opportunity for the council to propose any modifications

to the budget. And then we at that session would be able to talk through those. And if there is consensus on any of those items, then include them in the final budget and pop out of that with a

balanced budget, of course, as well. And so we can coordinate that whatever is most comfortable for council. We've done it many ways in the past. I've emailed all and requested that you send me any

changes that you would like to have and any offsetting either revenue or expenditures or if you want to handle it through your staff, that's fine, too. We're happy to handle it. How it works best for

you. And then we will have in the one more coming on the market session. At that mark of session. What gets? Majority support from the council will be then changes to the budget and that will act as

the introduction. Of the budget. 4 then approval in NOVEMBER because there isn't another work session before that except the day before we can will preview it on that day. But then we technically like

to introduce I have this as the work session introduction so that there's that sufficient kind of time to digest them. And then we can preview it on that Monday and then we would vote on it on

NOVEMBER. 10th. And then again on the 24th. So that market session will act as the introduction for not only the budget ordinance, the salary schedule and the ability. Ordinance for City Levy. And

we'll be bringing. And actually probably for all the other mill levies for that same Deason, those other. And so that kind of access our introductory session all of those. Your We have a budget. >>

Can I just one thing? I did send an email. Where council is bcc it with. Department current salaries and by position the increase and the percentage increase about the broad dollar and the increase

because I know that was a discussion subject today and want to get to have that information. >> And I did not have any outstanding items that we need to get back to you. And we have the capital

projects for parks and we printed the page. The personal slide. So I don't have any follow-up items unless there any that. You would like to identify. Kenton Rainey. >> It's not necessarily follow up

item. Just more request on the very beginning of slides. The property tax lied and the question I had brought up specifically about the cap. If you can just add in there, especially for public

purposes, what that percentages I know is 3% locally. That way. People don't get confuse with what's happening at the state level with the 5.5 versus what we do here locally at 3%. What that table out

yet is if you just add that in there, I would be really appreciate it. >> would it be fine with the council damage? Just e-mail and give a timeline for requesting any modifications that you MAY want

for the budget. And I can consolidate that. >> for sure, you can the timeline and then I'll just have staff collect them from each individual council members so that it's one Sheehan, not 9, ok, that

might help you. So if all of the council members can email or speak to staff what their specific requests are, then sure I can get one e-mail and and there might be multiple from there might be one

for multiple people in the show. You're not getting 9. Okay. And so what we'll do that will coordinate for sure. Just as date, though, so that we know, right? Okay. That sounds great. Thank you so

Dan. >> the council has anything else I'm done. I want to Jen and her team and for getting us through the process. It's been I think, a really great process for this year. And I want to thank all of

you for your participation and the questions and we look forward to move into the process. >> hearing portion and to wrap up change that rebuttal or should I keep it >> thank you. Thank you. All