2026-10-12 - City Council Work Session

>> We just hammering and hitting their fingers in their nails but they love it right. And then from there they can go on. They can go on to green building on the carpentry electrical and each one of those pre apprenticeship ce. >> All lead to they. They bleed into electrical to electrical partnerships. So >> if they have their packed corps and their electrical, which is a 6 month program, they get the first 6 credit onto their friendships when plumbing and electrical. This is our statewide stats. Like I said, we major statewide 100 schools, 6 trade associations over 20,000. Students have gone to the program. >> Almost over 20,000 certificates are shows only once. So that's always looks like it's less prepare ship. You saw as multiple. Our goal is 650 students directly into the industry. But we still measure them when they going to college or apprenticeships or two-year four-year. The one thing I think is really important is it for a 5 students we put into the industry. That's 50 million dollars back to the local economy and building because it speeds up the time time to market so that is according to national autonomous from National Home Builders. Locally, there's 25 schools. We do include Pueblo in as far as the region because we get a lot of the students to come up here. They come up into our career days and are fair. Career fairs, etc. Almost 10,000 students locally. We you might know that we have a program through partnership with the regional building Department called the Building Futures Fund where every permit polled are there. Ask the builder, the owner of the permit is asked to give between $3.50 dollars per permit. And this is certificates. And then we've almost 1400 students have gone into the industry directly in program. So that's almost 1500 so 1500 means 150 million dollars of economic impact into our industry. Here's the local schools. You guys can come in and pick your favorite school? Well, have one. And then this is an interesting statistic. So we have have had blessing of being have enough under that is really into data and importance of data. >> And so we every 6 months we have, we have done a post graduate survey last and this year we are doing all. Post-grad, not just 6 months, but fully full year out. So we know that 6 months out a student is making 2 to $3 an hour. If they're in the industry versus of students that are not in the industry. We know that those students that are in the industry are 25% more satisfied in their job than those that are not in the industry? And then. Other one is that I know I'm gonna blank. I can hardly see this my classes without my glasses and then we know that. Obviously what it says up there, that graduates that are are full time. There we go for sent We have there are more more full time in the industry than the ones that are working industry. The question from camps in The Sims like the perfect time to ask this question again. Thanks for. >> All that you're You're from the industry. You're you know, it's >> Unbelievably mean, and for a lot of different reasons. >> We need it and building. But I think as you said in the beginning, we need it because didn't grow up on a farm or ranch or doing something every weekend. When it comes to this, you have such a learning curve. So you're you're bridging that gap so that they can get from here to where they need to be. So you're tracking him 6 months in a year. And obviously this is an amazing graph. But are you keeping statistics from wear your original graduates are your 2020 graduates are no. That was a rough year. But how far back to you track? >> great people and where they go great circle back and say how much they love you and all that good stuff. What is the impact cause? I feel like it's it should be exponent on learning. And know that we know So we know that a year later for the last 3 years that we've tracked because it is all about finance. About $20,000 per survey. So. >> It's expensive. >> That 6 months out, one in 3 are in the industry or tracking the industry. >> are searching for jobs industry in a year out one into our that respond are in the industry or track or pursuing industry. We have a 40% recent response rate. So very high response rate. We just did. Our first is in the field right now where we've done all the last 3 years of 1000 surveys have gone out and within 2048 hours, we had a 18% response. So keep you informed. It's looking very, very positive for the industry and just in a lot of it, it really is relationships because we have those that those navigators that are in the classroom and they bring the industry the classroom in the classroom, the industry. And anybody who's in the industry, which we have 2 council members that are it's about relationships. That's what really matters of the relationships. Does that help? Yeah, sounds like, you know, we'll circle back and another 2 or 3 years because I think you needed the funding to really get information. Currently, we're tracking dry. It's been. >> And and learning and growing to. Nobody showed us that. >> Your plays in the trail for Thank you. Art in your target is to be the national constructs. The model. We are really, really focused on Colorado and I'm honored to say that tomorrow Common Sense Institute will be honoring cruise in construction as the the opportune for an award for the opportunities that we provide for students throughout the state saw Rick super excited about that. So yeah. So that's where nationally ring as far as one of the most successful programs in the nation for tracking for for actually measuring students into the industry. So that's pretty fun to the national home builders into the Home Builders Institute. This is really fun. And this is what it's all about, right? It's the kids that are winning and these are kids from all over the state except for 2 that are really, really want to. To highlight the gentleman with the hard hat is he is a gentleman named Dylan. He went to Whiteville high school. He had he and his twin brother. And he's that he's approved. Said that I can tell this story has told multiple times his brother were really out running the part human services. But there are times data foster care. They were. Great athletes doing everything they could. We're so excited about careers in construction living on their own in their heist. Their senior year. And Marlow, who was one of our is a career navigator that time and now director of operations. This was her first. This was Her kid. And she got him a job, an interview, an encore. He wanted to be an electrician. And when he got to the interview process, he got the interview. Got the offer. Any told I can't take the job. And she said like instead the job said because I have the money for the first set of tools. So that was get Sunday, such a hit. Brother is not working for Carson. So that was a great story, too. And course it. Oh, h# , that's not going a problem. So we went and we got it for She she called encore. She said what is the first ruled first line tools and second lentils is going need to have. We're going how we got a plan for this. So what about the tools? More at Love is her husband was a second-year Prentiss and they met him and they arranged this tools in the tool about for the next day work because you want and walking on into into the job with pride and knowing what he's walking into. He was just named a premise of the year from state of Colorado. We're really proud don't. Charlotte below. She was from Coronado. She is now in her 4th year, apprenticeship or plumbing with also Fleming. She had no idea what she was going to do. She is a badass look at her. She comes in. She's at a career fair. She comes and speaks. Wilson plumbing has been an amazing partner. They are willing to take jobs shows once a month for a whole afternoon where the students get to. Ride with the plumbers, meet the industry, things like that. So this the industry is stepping up so much in so many different ways. And every single one of the students have gotten jobs, hpe, the kit on the bottom. He is in Lamar and he was on a job site and that hp they hired him immediately. And now he's an apprenticeship work with hpd. I just want to thank you guys for about take questions. But it is this is a program started here. Ted Quartered here. We so appreciate all would have never happened without the support originally with with City Council. And I know you guys, I want you all to champions for it and proud of it. COUNCILMAN Casey, thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT, I think this is a great program. Sure there are. What are the hindrances, though, to expansion and particularly in Colorado Springs. >> We are in every district except for Cheyenne Mountain. So. >> There are. So we're. >> Expansion is more classroom size and teachers. We know like Lewis Palmer has 3 teachers now that are now teaching different edition >> Whitefield us for teachers. >> Coronado is amazing. They have 200 students in the classroom and they have want to have teachers. I don't know how they do it. They build a house. These that teacher Rock star. But it's it's it's industry and its. We have lots of volunteers that help we have. Like I said, our cornerstone is our navigators who are in the classroom. Helpings teacher schedule keeping, you know, helping them. I love the quote, is it? You have eliminated at least 1000 e-mails a year for because I them to you and make sure that some of these coming into my classroom helping so. >> second question is, do you we look, are we looking for one program per school district and the school district more than one of about people do 11 has to. >> And it's just how they're designed. >> So we also are very tight with the boost. Seas were helping the both seas. >> They're the rural districts help move each other's classrooms around students around. So, yeah, it's we're open to any always. In more students, more access. We're going a little bit deeper into the engineering classes. Advanced manufacturing just helping them bring industry that classroom because because our navigators are the classroom. Your Thanks, Casey. Can he's Mike COUNCILMAN Hinge >> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, thank you. And I just really wanted to say thank you. You know, so much of what we see and hear is. Not necessarily things that bring great tears to your eyes. And I appreciate share that story. You know, it's beautiful. >> It's very meaningful. Thank you for sharing it. And for all that you you do crews and construction does. And I'm sure you know this, crews in construction got a sht-out from ag Weiser in a gubernatorial to date. And we did highlighted the really great work that you're doing some He's a great advocate and it is cruising construction month. >> So I have stickers for you guys. And one is women in construction and the other one is just our general cruising instruction. So is it ok? >> PRESIDENT, if we pass them out, of any. You get both COUNCILMAN Donaldson don't have to choose. >> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT. Good Morning. Renee Morning. Nice weekend. I just want to add my voice to the support for your program for this program. You know, just program. I think there's a period it not very long ago when we sent the wrong messages to young young men, high school high school kids and women. >> That, hey, if you don't go to college. There's something you didn't do as good as you could have. There is something you know where you did better if you went to college. >> And >> we kind of shot ourselves in the foot with that. That kind of messaging. Was counterproductive for the nation and for the for just for the individual young men and women who really that was going to be a great pathway for them. And instead they incurred a lot of debt in college. Maybe didn't finish. Maybe you got a degree in something that is a really practical. They can't get a job with it. So. >> This is this is great. And I think, you know, there's more and more knowledge of that. Yeah, you know. >> Political folks who are recognizing it now with. The onset of the concern about the ai is going to have on jobs. I can't drive a nail and so these are secure jobs and they're they're good jobs it's. It's really. Couple win. Win. And then also I think we'll just we'll prove false. That idea that Americans won't do these jobs. You have to import people from other places to do them false Americans will do these jobs are built the whole country like that. And so thanks again. Thank you. Thank you. Have unanimous support for this year a lot of places. So keep up the great work. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. I just to add to that one of ours to larger funders who is not in the industry. So why do you why do you support And he said, because young man has a skill, they make better choices. And they have more confidence and women, but just was on that. We've told him for so long that years. You're not as important if you haven't gone to college. And the thing is that most people's windows, this big on. For construction, they understand that there are 3,000 positions, different positions that are available my favorite is one young man who had losses. He was really upset. It was Whitefield again. I love what I feel. He was in there and he did. He was in the back row back of the room and he was very, very upset about construction. No one of us is. So what's going on? What's happening to you? And he said, I just lost my uncle Ana, on a job site. He was killed, constructions, bad. And you know what, going introduce you to somebody son to one of g Johnson safety managers. He's now at csu and safety. So can save lives as a death. That's what this is all about. They don't know. We don't know if they don't know. And unfortunately, our window is very small and any industry. And that's why find the partying. Please help every industry adopt this. I know the restaurant industry is doing this. Help other industries get engaged, step up and participate. >> In my you know, I'll add something to what you said. I think in America we used to value and we express it. The the the worthiness of just work. Good work. High-level, craftsmanship tradesmen. Sheriff and again, we got away from that for a while. But I think it is returning and you see it even on financial programs like on cnbc, where they talk about ai and how secure these jobs in the trades are these are places. You don't have to worry about being replaced by. >> can I will enhance construction and any type of. And skill set. That's love hearing about this Thanksgiving. Nobody else would like Thank you so much for this presentation. It's really fun for me because if you remember, I >> in very first grant that was written. And so to see it comments spot and it's true, you were first graduation, was it which is no dry eye in the room? That's true. But the underlining. Story and data that isn't told here. But it's true is for this individual that was, you know, living avoiding the foster system. Not? It takes that that adult mentor to get them through. And that's what these construction men, workers, managers, safety managers, owners come alongside these kids, male and female and give them. That mentorship in all the data and research shows that it just takes one person in your life that motivates you. And so the underlining story of all of this is is that as well just from those first graduations in just owner has been spending the time, putting bill together, encouraging that kid got him to areas. So we're not just the skill set, but that that pride that somebody cares about me. To inner lining in construction because that's wild, wild west. As you know, yes, okay. To stick together. So for me, it's very, very exciting to see how parts gone. Even though I know I get the updates more than probably most. This is an excellent program and it really will transform these kids lives as well as the industry. So thank you very much for the hard work that you and your team have put into this. Thank you. Thank you. Can bring those upcoming past month. Moving on to item 5 be will the clerk please read item 5, be into the record. Colors. Spring sports car 2026 mature Lodgers auto rental tax contract date. >> Good morning. Davis. >> Good morning. Thank you all again, as always, for the opportunity to provide our mid-year update, too. I'd like to introduce a lot of, you know, Abigail Abigail is the lure administrator full-time pretty much g 8. It's housed within the sports car, but I think it sometimes good put a face to a name with you all. She's also going to some stickers, slightly more informational up from our end. They're not as cool as or nays stickers. But if you do on the back, it does have a qr code that will take you directly to sports course website where you can find all of this information and more perfect. Well, during the mid year. I do a little bit of that overview of the sports court who we are as well as our kpi review. And then take a look at some of the sports tourism activities up to date up to your year to date, as well as our events. And then some great future announcements that we'd like to share with you. So just a reminder, the cars Spring Sports Corp, we exist to inspired advance Car Springs, Olympic City usa and the Pikes Peak region through sport and community events. We do that through 4 major pillars. First being the Olympic and Paralympic movement and ushering that In-Car Springs event, management, sports, tourism and then community service providing we used a title that just as our our guest program, the number 3 community service pride in kind of is all encompassing because we now we still put on after school sports and sports programming for 3 schools district. 2. But then we also have taken on a number of other projects such as the management of the Park Union district, all the events that take place there. So kind of doing a bunch of different other things that is moral compass. And now. So for our actual keep the eyes that we report back to annually, obviously through a form such as this, but also every year we provide you with a written report. They are based off of 5 items. First event, management and promotion. Second is community development, 30's, fiscal management, accountability for the special community initiatives and 5 his lap is and last is ongoing. Advocacy. So they could jump into how we do this and just give you some highlights of some 2026 sports tourism, as well as Olympic and Paralympic movement, a fence to date, you know, not only do these events that all speak to that we have hosted or brought into Car Springs. They're not really supportive our brand of the city of Olympic City usa. But there really are major economic drivers through tourism. These are we classify these as sports tourism events, which their events that are specifically related to sport. And that's the current primary driver as to why somebody comes to your region for tourism purpose. So obviously, it seems like that long ago. But the Milano Cortina 2026 Olympic Games took place earlier this year. Sports Corp, one of the events that we own and operate ourselves is the winter fest. And that brought 5,000 attendees to downtown Color Springs and about 2000 individuals, the uso pm Doors. And saw a number of this council at that event, which we always appreciate. And then getting into some of the events that we work to bring the car springs. And so our job is the sports Commission for the city through our alert work is our job is to sell. Color springs has that destination for sports and sports tourism based events. And so this year we had a number of events that that very large adaptive sports events. So the National Wheelchair Basketball Association brought their women's and military national championships here. That isn't in gb. That is based here in Colors Springs. And I'll talk about another one on my next slide. But before that, kind of a cool in the highlight is U.S. Figure skating and their impact summit. Us figure skating is an entity that's based here in Cars Springs. But that doesn't include them from bringing their events here as well. So they're access to their brings about 760 attendees. It's mostly their coaches and their judges. And they education and training over the course of about 6 days. The really cool thing about this event, though, is they added another piece to it was called the toast to Milan. And this is the first time that the entire Olympic figure skating team from 2026, the gold medal team was here in Colorado Springs. And I made a pot. Here's what we see is probably gonna get mad me because I put Netflix. It actually is peacocks apologized to nbc. However, they this toast to Milan was filmed by nbc at Center for the Arts. And so this is a great opportunity for the at center not only to be shown, but also for Car Springs. They showed their athletes out in the community in the natural environment training and you are able to go watch it on not Netflix but Peacock. If like to so. Jumping into the summer of is busy summer for sports events here. Usa Weightlifting hosted their national championships was the second year of two-year contract that we signed. Bring about 1500 athletes over 9 days of competition taking place at Robson Arena. I thought was pretty cool. At 33 American records broken at this event. I've no idea if altitude makes wait lighter. I doubt it. Council rain, you can probably help us out with that. With your at your training and then another adaptive event that was really cool. Was usa Pickleball. They recognize that car Springs has gets behind adaptive sports. So much today decided to host their inaugural wheelchair National championships here in Car Springs. So it was a very successful that they will be doing it again. And then immediately followed up with the Golden Ticket event, which is the only qualifier for those pickleball players. You have to compete in a golden ticket in order to make it to us Pickleball National championship. And so we were one of only 4 cities. That was a repeat host city. And we're working on the contract with them right now to host next year. Again and make it even bigger and better in the last event to highlight is the handball futures Festival. Campbell is a not one of the most popular sports in the United States. However, looking into la 28, the host country for every Olympic Games gets an automatic qualification for every single sport. And so there's a huge opportunity for the sport of handball because it is guaranteed that usa will get a qualification. The U.S. Have never qualified women's handball team for the Olympic Games. And it's been 30 years since that qualify. The men's team. And so a group of from the 1970's want to change that. And so they created what's called the handball futures. And it brings together teams from 4 major quadrants around the country and their response was what a better place to do it. The car springs and so we have been working with them for about 2 years to bring this team Great media coverage. Great attendance from around the country and hopefully it's entirely possible that one of these teams actually could be the team that qualified for the Games. But guarantee that a number of these athletes will be qualifying for la. 28. All right. So jumping into Sports Corp owned and operated events as well as our partner even years are very busy years. So 2026 being even year. This is when we have the full slate even years. Bring us of Olympic and Paralympic events. So we had to downtown Winterfest and another pac summit with events such as the Rocky Mount State Games. Robert Cycle, the summit Pikes Peak Apex and others. But then we also with our partner events. We at Pikes, Peak Airshow. So appreciate any councilmembers that were out at the Air show as well as Car Springs. Labor Day left off Carter senior games in its second year. This year continues its its growth and then the Star Spangled Tiffany and 4th of JULY fireworks. Obviously, that took a little bit of a left turn due to fire ban. However, we were able to repurpose the firework show at Labor Day lift off for those who were in attendance. One event I just want do want highlight and you all are very well aware of Labor Day lift off. But this year was its 50th anniversary. It is the largest free hot Air balloon festival in the United States. Like keep saying free and this year for the first year we will we were able to utilize a new software. That's the Florida administrators using called Placer ai, which is an event tracking software. Historically we used aerial footage. Obviously we don't have to Put drones in the air for Labor Day lift off, but we can take pictures from balloons. Cspd will help us track numbers. It's usually an estimate. After that. We now have access to will give us pretty exact of how many people were in a specific location based off of their cell phone pings. So we realize that we've been undercounting Labor Day. Let's We had over 250,000 unique individuals in Memorial Park over those 2 and a half days. So if you are there and you look out from the top of Memorial Park and you say, wow, that's a lot of people. It's a little intimidating. It's about 50,000 per session. I think our height in the morning was 47,000. And then our height the evening was about 65,000 people. So a lot of people coming through memorial Park throughout the weekend and not just people from Cars will be looking forward to giving you all are full report during our year. And for all of our sports prevents. But this also will show exactly where individuals are coming from. So we can give you exactly the out of state. Region and give you that economic impact. So just to finish up, just talking about many of you sought, but event that we're very excited about is in 2027 and OCTOBER of 2027 pretty much this week next year. The World Lacrosse Federation will be hosting its six's World Championship here in Car Springs. This is a major event. Lacrosse hasn't been in the Olympic Games for over 100 years. And this is the primary qualifier for the sport of lacrosse for the Olympic Games. So 30 to mit team, 16 men's teams and 16 women's teams from all around the country will be traveling here to color springs for about 10 days of competition at Weidner Field. 6 is a smaller from all They split the field. The 2, but it is still very fast pace and this will be probably rival what the largest sports event that we will host here in Car Springs or have ever hosted. Not only is it about 10,000 estimated room nights, but the economic impact estimate is about 45 million dollars as well. Because these are all countries that are coming here to cause springs. And so they will have fan bases traveling with them. Team support systems, all that need to be here will be staying here for not only the 10 days of competition, but, you know, our vantage and tourism is that word out to to to teams will want to be here early for practicing. We look forward to briefing you all more about this in the future. But this is a one of those events I think when the city for champions projects Weidner Field particular, we're built. These are the kind of events that word mission to be hosted at it. And we're excited to be able to bring this car springs. So. Short, sweet, hopefully I know would open to any questions. >> COUNCILMAN Remy. Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT, not necessarily questions but just wanted to. >> Highlight the good work that you been doing. And it's starting to show. >> Clearly amongst a lot of the great things that are coming. 2, Colorado Springs, you mentioned lacrosse. And I think sometimes it gets lost because of all the other things that we have going on in state lacrosse is pretty big here. And we did a Colorado. Do you University has a phenomenal program. Colorado College right here locally to include see Matt, effective of women's team that they do pretty doggone well. So I think this is great to hear that we're going to be hosting that event. And also I want to reemphasize to pickleball wheelchair national championship actually was there representing the city. The mayor asked me to represent him because he was not available was able engage with that entire audience. And I know while that stated National championship, there was an international peace to that because we had representation from the uk and from Costa Rica. Come traveled all the way here and spent an entire week competing. So that was absolutely phenomenal to watch. It was great to hear all the work that went into that to make sure that that came here to Colorado spring. So and once again, I just want to say thank you and continue to do the great work that you all are doing. Fischer. >> COUNCILMAN Donaldson, thanks, MADAM PRESIDENT good morning to morning. We'll get a nice weekend. And you it was going what I'd like to point out is. >> But I think this is like a perfect match. Sports with Colorado Springs. Our city was really our early years. It was tuberculosis. And health. This was a health Capitals center in America really almost through the through Europe. Also, that's when my family came here originally. That's I recognize year. Your surname. The more we can do in this area. I think it's just it is it's a perfect match. Like we went down to Huntsville last week and kind of looked how they're using the assets. They have. Redstone arsenal being a big one, but they don't have this. They don't have to the beauty of the mountains garden of the gods, the dry air. So many days without rain. But let's not get too many days without rain so it's perfect. And I hope we continue to. Emphasize this and grow grow this field. Is there one thing you? You'd like to point out that, hey, this just kind of holds us back here in Colorado Springs from further. And you don't have to if you think, it's something that I think it's been very well discussed. Is. >> car springs? >> We we we work pretty pretty heavily with our state partners other other sports commission's around the state. Even though our large tax is incredibly low at 2%, I say we at least have some sort of grants program most other cities around the state's primary like Fort Collins is a they have tourism grants program to speak of it. So it's beneficial. But just the amount of money that generated Dillard is is so small that when you think about it, we're not just competing with Denver and Fort Collins. We're really competing with Huntsville are competing with other states. And most states actually have state level sports commissions were there. They have a state level tax that, you know, the gist. That's why the state Texas gets a Super Bowl or final floor pretty much every other year. Colorado is unfortunately pretty far behind when it comes to state level assistance of sports tourism. So we're working on with our partners and hopefully we'll have a state level sports Commission the next 2 to 3 years. He thinks alert. >> Assistance, the assistance through art makes a difference. >> It definitely does make a difference. Yes, the events that we work with are incredibly thankful and it truly what gets a lot of these events across the finish line like usa Weightlifting and their national championships. If they don't get the money, there's and others city not in Colorado right behind us waiting to take it Okay. Thanks a lot keep up the good work COUNCILMAN Line Woodward. >> Yeah, I want to kind of follow up. I think day. So question actually pretty good. But I I just wanted to highlight our get your comments on one particular area that that's really around infrastructure because one with a lot of these things when we compete are looking at. Well, can you actually host this volleyball tournament or can you do this trail? Run or is it going to be excited enough to pull people? And I know like the apex what you did have list, you actually have dropped away from. You're just going you're not going to run it. But you're gonna supported. I guess what you're saying because we haven't really been able to get growth and not. And I think it's partially because we haven't been able offer a great product. We have a great mountain. We just don't have the trail system that we to really entertain that. I mean, can you speak to that infrastructure piece kind of like we're we lacking within that cover a broad spectrum. Yeah. Meghan are is unfortunate. It be able to be here today. She can pry speed apex a little bit more. I do know that the trail. Access with Apex is really tough that some of the best trails that we have here. >> We can't run events through because there whether they're out tops property are there for a service that you know all about it. In terms infrastructure, though, you know, it's I think it's kind of twofold. There's a lot of groups that we work with that want to be in downtown core. However, when you look around at downtown Car Springs, we have a great facility wider field. We have great us on the ropes and arena. We don't have very much convention space or necessarily hotel space in downtown springs. And that that that's pretty difficult. When you look at usa Volleyball, they are putting their national championships even there like mid-level injured championships in convention center spaces that are the size of Denver. There's probably I think there's only 8 convention centers in the country that can host usa Volleyball's National Championships. We're not going to compete with that. But even groups like usa gru Friday that they just need pure for space. We can't accommodate that here. Car spring. So they're very specific that like things that I know we can go after a note can't go after usa Volleyball is unfortunately one that they probably have the largest economic impact of any eu sports tournaments in the country. And they're based in cars brings they understand quickly that we can't go after their their events. But hopefully with some potential future projects on you know, coming in the future that we'd be able some of those events. You know, we're always working towards that sport facility development. We just we need more fields, baseball, multipurpose flat fields as well as indoor basketball volleyball. Not only for sports tourism purposes, but also just for our local teams. They just don't have enough space right We're just between parks and rec private entities. We're basically we're at the capacity. So. We're continue to work partners that are interested to make sure to try to alleviate that. Well, thanks for that. We're actually going to go over the parks master plan a little bit later today. And I think it really speaks a little >> We really don't have the infrastructure. We haven't really kept up like what other communities have done. And it really kind of sets us back a little bit. Yes, we have a beautiful and landscape that we can look at all. That's all amazing. But we don't have The access that rail systems that we need make iconic, you know, events that people really gravitate to. So I think that I wanted really highly. Thank you. >> COUNCILMAN Jim. Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT morning and morning. >> So talk to be a little bit if you could, about Springs rugby. Picked ice is I've talked with him quite a bit. And I know they're very interested in growing rugby in Colorado Springs and very have a lot of activity happening in their very excited about the fact that Flanagan Park Field is being, you know, improved in that park is being proved that. What can you just talk a little bit about the Oppor 10, a tease for rugby and deaths. >> There's there's huge opportunity for rugby, especially if you have a purpose-built rugby planning and park has been great. So we've had some great conversations with It's it was also like a kind of a fact-finding as well as of he's interested in hosting more events here. And so for for him that we want to be able to provide those opportunities. We've also been working with Weidner Field and he was has been brought into this of, you know, whiners interested diversifying. Obviously the ufl is going to be coming here next year. And so it's getting beyond soccer football. We've been working for last 2 years with a with Weidner Field on potentially hosting major leagues, Arby's Finals. Invictus Variance shouldn't and getting involved. The sat and so his club can actually participate. Obviously, Major League rugby is the professional side. But year even doing like a showcase of that beforehand and in in a place like that is like, that's a really cool opportunity for for people. We're going continue the conversation with him. He's a great guy. >> Excellent. Just one more question for What's your personal favorite part sport to participate in? >> I participated. I pledge I play a lot of golf. Is not as interesting, but I do. I do play a lot. So thanks. Step COUNCILMAN Donelson. >> Yeah, thanks, PRESIDENT. And just to come back to one thing that came up earlier. Tops properties and just trails. What are your thoughts on that? We would be would be useful if we could have events like. I can envision things kind of like Pikes Peak Marathon, a distance and trail running locally, which could attract a lot of people who love the outdoors. They love. Kind of undeveloped. It's not wilderness spurred by definition, but it's close and they're going to be low impact on. They're going to be good visitors to our our top spot opportunities. What are your thoughts on that? And once again, I always give you the escape clause if you're yeah, exactly. Met Meghan. Our team is is definitely the one to speak to that. I bring in customer line Webber's well, but >> I know through the discussions went to access of what you can and can't do on tops properties is really difficult. Apex is the greatest example where. >> For years we try to do start American a beautiful park. Go doing like probably a 50 mile ride. But you have to go through all the stops properties. When you're doing that quantity of people, about 300 people, weren't allowed to do it. Give anything else that I'm not. I'm not sure entirely the rationale. I just know that you're a prohibitive for what we can do, I know that if we wanted to, we have to build some pretty significant infrastructure pieces as well like around the creeks and you know, it's it's definitely bit of okay. Thanks. >> Yeah, I think the peace or is that not all races are considered commercial and so sometimes we think commercial use, we think of a business. But we're not really understanding that often. It's just allowing. Visitors to have greater access in a kind of group environment. So thank other thing that's interesting that just a cup of huh, is all those people that are part of that are insured. And the public would not a bench not. >> Thank you so much for your presentation. Of course, is a liaison from Ward. I've always said from day one that we need to use these dollars for highest impact to economic development. And I think all the contracts Sports Corp does that more than any of them. I mean, I think for the little dollars you get you more than double that. I'm really glad. Abigail Kim today, it's so exciting to have alert administrator. It's been excellent having her ran to this too and made to that process seem seamless. We are, you know, area. So I we don't notice. So that important. So thank you for this great update. I do think, you know, it's query quite a viable of how this benefits or sales and use tax in the city as a whole. So thank you for the update and you're actually looking like you're getting some sleep now. Strike 2. Next up, we have item Will the clerk please read item into the record agenda planner review to be have any questions on the upcoming dinner. We plan to review. Seeing none for the record. There are no questions on a gender planner review. Item 7, a the clerk. Please read item 7 a into the record resolution approving the 2020's of the budget for Pikes, Peak Regional Building Department. Good morning, Roger. >> Good morning, Roger level of building thank you for the opportunity >> to present the department's 2027 budget. I want to take a chance to think our advisory board as well as our building commission for the support going through the process. I also have floor and harass our director of finance here in the event. You have any questions. This document. This document, it. We track. We track a lot of data throughout the year. Some of the data that will share today. It's dated as of JULY 31st. And I realize that's a little bit outdated. But this is all because of the length of the planning process that we go through with the budget, which Florida will cover some of that as far as what we've seen in 2026 so far as of JULY 31st. We issued 1944 single-family home permits. That's an increase of 7.2% over the same time period in 2025. And it's it's been fluctuating up and down, especially post covid most recently. It's starting to decline a little bit towards the end of the year. The average single-family, the valuation of a single-family home stands at $508,476, which is a decrease of 5% over 2025. And also a 10% decrease over the same time period in 2024. So we are continuing to see a little bit of a change in the single family industry as of JULY 31st. 388 new single-family units. That's a decrease of 58% over 2025, let's see. And a 29% decrease from the same time period in 2024. But as of the end of SEPTEMBER, we have 798 multifamily units that have been permitted this year. So it did. It did bounce back later in the year. Total construction valuation, as of July 31st was approximately 2.5 billion dollars. >> That at that time that was an increase of 19 and a half percent. >> As of the end of SEPTEMBER. It stands at 3.2 billion dollars, which is a 22.7% increase. And that's that's really substantial in my time. I haven't seen valuation increase that much in one year. We've had a couple of very large commercial projects that have permitted that have really influence that. With that said as of JULY 31st, approximately 180,000 inspections. That's a decrease of one percent. We do about 1100 inspections, a dairy and we're seeing kind of x, steady trend on inspections. Revenue as of JULY 31st was in line with where we expected to be. And our expenses were 5% below budget. So everything's moving along very well. >> Have a question from COUNCILMAN Donaldson. Yes. >> And I can wait till the end. The slide present fun to do that. >> So that's why I'm happy to okay can >> The 2, 2 billion, 500 million total construction valuation, increase of 20%. You said you never seen. Something like that. I think it was this. What do you attribute that to why the big such a large jump from? 25 till now. >> The commercial and that's a great There've been a lot of very large commercial projects that have been that have been permitted. >> You know, you can use remind us of a few. >> Yeah, Let's see Squire Coca-Cola was that was a very large one. There's a number of very projects going on. Montreal hospital North Aif. I think that's about a 400 million Dollar project. So there are there are some of these very large projects. One of the last times we saw very large project that scale was the Amazon distribution center. When those projects come, there's a big there's a big bump in the valuation. >> Okay. And that. Is the 2.5 billion is. For what calendar period. >> The 2.5 Bell. Yeah. 2.5 billion. That is JULY. I'm sorry. JANUARY 1st through JULY 31st. >> Compared to? >> Compared to same time period in 2025. That's capital >> as of the end of SEPTEMBER 3.2. So dollars. So. Okay. All right. Thanks. Some of Lee. >> Thanks, MADAM PRESIDENT, just to chime in, Roger and correct me if I'm wrong. But I think part of the other driver with valuation is just simply the cost of construction today. Significantly more than last year and the year before that. Your bit for that, right? As we see increases an escalation materials a labor. Those the numbers that contractors are reporting to That right? >> It on on new >> Whether its residential or commercial, there's 2 ways that valuation is determined to can be determined by the applicant, giving us what the value of the project in the event, the manner that we used to back. Check that is the icc, valuation tables. We adopt new icc, evaluate valuation tables. Every 2 years. And we do see changes in those valuation tables. We. The latest valuation tables which are not scheduled to be adopted. There are some increases in cost of construction in there. And I think most most of that is due to cost materials tariffs. Everything has an impact cost of construction labor. >> point out, too, that the 2 prior presenters gave a stickers. So I'm expecting that. >> I was trying avoid that because I didn't bring stickers already left with her stickers. So >> next time >> Next time will come with 3. >> Yeah, I Counsel Donald Centre. >> Okay. Thanks and follow up. But first on the sticker issue, you know, you're on a tight budget over there. You so maybe that's why you don't have stickers that. >> I don't think we have stickers to be honest. Might be reassuring to some taxpayers. Was 25 down year or so? Are we comparing like this? You know, this first. Period of 26 to what was really a a lower than average year was. Is this truly like? >> You know, since since covid, it just feels like it's been a roller coaster since covid. >> Some of the busiest times that we had were actually during covid. >> 2020 2021. And 22 those who are from a construction standpoint, I think everybody probably remembers the number of multifamily projects that were constructed in those times. So to compare 2025 to. You know, earlier 2020 2021, it does look like a down year, but historically it's not 2025. In 2026, I guess maybe one way of looking at it is the 2026 budget didn't project any substantial increases over 2025. So it's been relatively flat from that perspective, with the exception of what we're seeing on on the new commercial development. That's what's driving that all you Ation. Thank One of the other areas that we've really focused a lot of activity in recent years. Not so not just 2026. 2025. 2024 as well is staying engaged and as part of the legislative process as well as the rulemaking process with the state of Colorado and the federal side of things to the the number of requirements and legislative actions that are coming down from the state continues to continues to increase one of the areas that we that we really planned for was going back to 2022. And passage of House Bill 1362, which was the greenhouse building greenhouse emissions. What that legislation did, is it it established minimum energy codes for the state of Colorado. And it also has a schedule over the period through 2030 that you have to comply with with more restrictive energy codes. The approach that we've taken is different. Then the majority of jurisdictions and we actually adopt and enforce the the energy code on the last day that it becomes the state minimum. So in essence, I guess what I'm trying to say is. The day that we adopt the more restrictive code is the last day that that is the actual code before chips over to a more restrictive code. What it does it allows us approximately 3 years to stay on a watch on a on least restrictive energy code but still remain in compliance with the state of Colorado. The energy codes are a significant. 6 significant driver in the cost of of construction of a new single family home and of a business the there was a recent report that I think $147,000 is regulatory costs construction of a new home. A big piece of that is energy codes. So we're doing everything possible that we can to keep those minimums as well as possible. If somebody wants to build more efficient home, more efficient business, there's nothing in the code to and we actually have 2, 2, paths for someone to do that. They can use the 2024 international energy code, which in some cases is less restrictive the current 2021. Energy code. I could probably go all day on codes. Some of our goals for 2027. We'll continue to focus on our employees. Our employees are single largest expense, better single largest asset. We did conduct a salary study in 2026. And that salary study conducted by Employers Council supports a up to a 5% cost of living increase it's up to 5% subject to availability of funds. We will make the determination as far as what that cost of living increases towards the end of the year. We have when we have more more data. Regulatory readiness will continue to stay engaged at the state and local level as well as federal level to monitor and react to continuing legislation. COUNCILMAN Donald maybe this maybe I should have gone to this slide here. This is just a a 20 year permit and inspection trend. So on the right side, you can see 2025 down from the covid years, but still. Definitely healthy when compared the last 10 years. >> And if I PRESIDENT. Roger, just on the previous slide, you employees and pay raise and remain competitive and not lose employees, which I think smart. Is that has that happened in the last couple years. We feel like you've had some people. Good people. Slip due to salary. Competitiveness. >> We have lost some employees for that for that reason, they're there are more competitive markets elsewhere. >> as a local government, we cannot compete with the private sector. And I think some of our employees. >> Expect that we can compete with the private sector. We do. In order to attempt to compete. We do try and offer an exceptional benefits package. And helping not >> Are you competitive with the other public sector entities and in the state? >> I believe so. Yes. >> But in order to maintain that, we need to your recommendation is about a 5%. >> to a 5%. It will exceed 5%. It could be for 4 and a half percent towards the end of the year. When we have when we have full data, there'll be some more data that we can get from employers council that we can use to to help make that Thanks. Just in closing and will turn it over to Lauren. The 2027 budget doesn't include does not include any fee increases. We have an increased fees over 23 years. So we continue to working to you. Utilize technology find efficiencies everywhere we can. But as we all know, nothing is getting less expensive to include fuel labor, an any any manner of. And labor rates. This budget will also continue. The licensing rewards program, which is really kind of minor. But what this program does is for any contractor that's in good standing with the department. It they've been licensed with the department for at least 3 years at the time of renewal. They have no administratively closed permits. Then there are no fees to renew their license. That is a benefit, obviously to the contractor. But it's also a benefit to the department. It is revenue that we don't bring in, but that revenue is offset by the fact that we have very little action that we have to take those contractors to help them get permits, cleaned up. They're doing a good job, taking care of their business and taking care of our community. The this budget as presented doesn't dissipate 9 and a half 9 and a half percent increase in the cost of benefits. Very optimistic that that number will be much lower. The 9 and a half percent. We don't have a final number yet, but we we should very soon. So this is a worst-case scenario. The budget alsincludes 146 employees. It includes 4 additional positions for 2027 that we don't currently have those positions. Would most likely utilized in the inspection in Plainview side of things as as activity changes. And I will just briefly touch on the numbers here and then turn it over to Lauren. This budget anticipates. 23 million, 10,017 $17 in revenue. Which is a 3 and a half percent increase over the 2026 budget and also the same 3 and a half percent over the 2025. The 2025 2026. Budgets are The 2026 budget. Did anticipate revenue exceeding expenses up to 1 million, $363,584 largely due in part to last year at the 11th our benefits provider. Give us a 28% increase in the cost of benefits. We scrambled at the 11th hour change providers and were actually able to decrease the cost of benefits. But that. 28% was reflected in the budget. Not one of the reasons that you see that large potential draw from the fund balance as of gosh, I don't remember. I have from me. It's very unlikely that we will hit. That we MAY even end up in the negative. Because right Yeah, right now we're approximately 1 million on on the plus side. So unlikely that we'll hit bigoted. The as the 2027 budget is conservative. It also anticipates that revenue that expenses could outpace revenue up to 875,000, $536 in the event that does occur, which is unlikely. The department has a couple of of options at its disposal. It can draw from its fund balance as needed or and or the building commission can change modifiers. The modifiers are what we're used to take that valuation number that we talked to earlier and convert that into into a permit fee with that said the building valuation modifiers have not changed in 23 years as well. So I'm very comfortable with the budget. It is a conservative budget. Lawrence done great job working on it and I will. Turn it over to you and you can talk about that. Thank you, Roger. Good morning. I'm honored to be here to be part of presenting our 2027 budget. This budget reflects a department that is stable. >> Responses and prepared. This is also a conservative and realistic budget that aligns with our mission of supporting safe, resilient and thriving communities. Throughout the Pikes Peak region. First of all, I would like to elaborate a little bit on our budgeting process of Pikes Peak Rachel Building. We begin the conversations for the following year's budget around JUNE of each year. These conversations start with myself, Mr Level and our leadership team. And then meet with our chiefs and managers to determine their individual department needs. We discuss staffing and other operational necessities. The next part of our budgeting process is a thoughtful analysis of our actual numbers for the current year and looking back on the last few years of actual to budget data. This helps us better gauge where the trends are and to identify the possibility of future trends. We also evaluate areas of understanding and overspending to fine tune the budget going forward. Every corner of the organization is really looked at with a fine tooth comb. I will say. When the budget is finalized and implemented, I worked directly with each of departments on a monthly or quarterly basis to stay on top of our spending and possible exit. Unexpected needs that often times can arise. MR. Level mention our revenue is anticipated to be 22 million, $134,481, which is a 3.5% overall increase compared to the 2026 budget. This determination was made after closely monitoring the revenue trends of 2025. 2026, for example, a consistent upward trend has been seen throughout 2026. With the department's conveyance permitting and inspections and also our collection. Other fees are also showing an increase. Lets see the next slide here for revenue. This revenue trends slide. That red line is 2026, as you'll see, there is a steady climb through JULY 31st in the compound. This graph, however, there is a steady decline for AUGUST and SEPTEMBER with our revenue. As we typically see this time of year in the fall, we do see these numbers go down. Our total expenses are budgeted to increase to looks wrong way. I come It's hard to Penn says are budgeted to increase to 23 million $10,017, which is an increase of 1.1% compared to the 2026 budget. This increases budget are primarily for employee salaries. But if it's apartments, fleet vehicles and other capital expenditures. The budget for salary benefits are increasing due to additional staffing needs that MR. Level had mentioned. A 1.0 4% increase and the parent employer contribution rates and anticipated 9.5% increase in our medical plan. And then the combination of the cost of living of up to 5% for staff. So a significant amount of effort was put into reclassified certain accounts and are more appropriate line items with regard to our expenses, specifically our equipment, computer networks, office machines and furniture and fixtures have been moved to our fleet and capital expenditures. Line item. So overall, this brings us to a budget in that loss 875 1000, $536 for 2027. Are there any questions for me? I don't see any. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Next up, we have item 7 be will the clerk please read item 7 be into the record. >> Resolution setting the fees for the general business license issued by the city clerk's office. This comes before you I know we talked about this a little bit with our code changes that you recently adopted. But the attached resolution in schedule is just a proposed fee increase for our general business. So not liquor and not marijuana licenses. These are security officers, contractors, those type licenses. These have not been raised since JANUARY. One of 2019. And the reason for that, which is a question that comes to mind is that was right before the covid payment process came in. And so covid happened. Then the recovery from covid happened and then a change MAY or in leadership. And then the new person learning what they've gotten into as elected for mayor. So it is time now to really bring forward to you all before any longer it goes So we've done an analysis with our partners in the finance department who are here in the back row and to questions. But what we decided because it had been so long in the increase, too. We've always had a 90% cost recovery model for our fees. And in order to get to that, 90 would be about an $80 increase in. So that's a very large one time increase for licensees. And a good suggestion. They that came from some discussions with you all on our code changes was what about a phased in approach to make that a little easier on our licensees. And so right now we are at a 53% cost recovery. I said, we want to get to a 90%, which is our standard. So we're using that in the price increase over 3 years. So and 27 because these were our proposal is to have these effective JANUARY one of 27. So when 27 it would be a $25 increse in. And 28 a $25 increase in 29, a $30 increase. And then they're after. And this was something that that I had suggested to trough, try to find a way that we're not in this position again, where so many years have passed. And the increase is not happened is to come up with a way to do an annual review and increase if necessary. And so working with partners in and looking at some past history and how others do it would be every year we're going to look at our actual costs. And and then we're going to look at the year over year change in the Denver, Boulder Greeley, cpi. And we're gonna take a look at that. And if that increases more, then are actual cost to do business. There will not be an increase if our cost to do business is higher than we will increase by that year-over-year cpi. And that would be going forward. So we don't get again into a position where, you know, here we are 7 years later and the fees have not changed. But the cost to the city to produce the license with my department. Part of our fees. Go to the attorneys of those part of our fees go to cspd, of course, for enforcement activities. So that's the proposal before you the attachment to. It includes all of those license types that we're talking about. And and it shows you what the cost would be. It also increase includes increases 4 additional licenses, additional security companies and a guard works for more than one company. In some cases, background check fees and those things. And that's what's before you happy to answer any questions that you all MAY have. But that is our proposal before you today. And the attachment does list all the licenses with the breakdowns. COUNCILMAN Hinge him. Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT. Hi, Sarah. I think, you know, some of the questions I'm going to be that I emailed to you last week about this. >> Why are we not going to 100% recovery? I don't understand why the city would subsidize these services. >> My understanding is, you know, these are licenses. This is city council where the city, quote, using their police powers to put in place these licenses and regulations that we have the ability to do as a home-rule entity. These are our fees are special licenses. So I believe that the logic was that because we have chosen over time and to put these licenses in these requirements and place that we would absorb 10% of that cost because it's ours. We regulate it. We chose not specifically that over time. Some of these licenses were put in place in the 20's that we chose to do that, which is why we have 90% on that. >> And Why such a long time for ramping up. I can appreciate the intention of not going from 0 you know, to 100 overnight. But can use a little bit more about the length of time. The three-year phase-in, two-year it really was just too. Lower. The amount of this sticker shock, so to speak to them into our licensees. >> 3 years was really just chosen to make it a little bit lower. To be honest with So that is 25 25 30. >> And then increase going forward. >> I understand that we are a city and historically have a culture that's very low regulation and, you know, licenses or some sort of oversight and regulation. I think they're important. They're necessary. Your office is very busy year short-staffed. You don't have the revenue that you need to to to tend to the business that you have. I'm not personally comfortable with going to 90%. I would argue that we should go to 100%. And I would like to see it happen over 2 years. Not 3. And, you know, that's and I MAY actually vote against it for for that very reason. If we can't collectively as a as a body, kind of take a look at the revenue challenges we have in our city. We're going to be looking at our city budget here very soon. And we're going to be talking to parks department soon around like Profar and revenue shortages in parks all over many, many, many years. As you said, you know, we've gotten ourselves in this position over many, many years. And I realize you can't correct things overnight, but and so I appreciate that. You are, you know, trying to be as respectful as possible in this process. But I just personally, you know, like. We need to we need to make it a little bit more and we need to speed up the process. Can you also tell me on the late renewal fee while year ramping up in bicycle bicycle, share and contractors. Don't use has no increase late renewal fee. And that is because >> don't use the reason that we have not increased. That one is in our calculations. We've looked at what there's forward. Number one, there's 4 licensees its 3 one bookstore when arcade to actually it's 3 bookstores on that. And the reason they haven't increases, we looked at all of our fees and the cost to do those. And those are covered by what we have now, because there are only your expenses were meeting that war. There's very little. You know, we do enforcement. There's very little activity change in activity on those. They don't need as much it had not needed. A should say as much attention as some of the other licensees share. That makes sense. We don't want to collect more than we need that. So really appreciate that. I would just ask my fellow council members to consider. You know, my comments and I don't know. I haven't talked about this with anybody prior to this very moment. But >> I think we have a real revenue challenge in our city. We have a lot of expenses to cover and this is a fee fair to be able to have the expense meet the actual costs. Are that the cost? The recovery meet actual cost seems very, very fair to me. And supports our takes. Taxpayers might be it. Maybe not significantly, but in Spirit. Thank you. COUNCILMAN Casey. >> Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT, what are we talking about? Total looks a dollar value. If you go between where we are now to say 90% which said recoup much terms of dollar it's about >> Houses in fee revenue a year which brings us a 2 night, but 90% each year. >> So between that where we are now, 90% were to the current is any $1000. >> Correct. Believe If you the fine is 2 months to come up and correct me feel free. >> Just looking for what the scope of the issue is in terms of what what >> members of City Council advance budget manager. I'm sure we go. Okay. So the increase in your one would be approximately 81,000. >> Right. That's my question. Was up to 90%. We essentially 1000 year one, which near to injury, it. >> The additional revenue through year 2 is 162,000 and then through year 3 is 200 in 59,000. Ok, thank you. So there's no the questions. I'm guessing you don't want this on consent. Do want this. Do not want that one can absolutely on consent ok, it will not be in consent. You can. All right. Thank you. And I'm happy to meet with any of you all between now and the vote. If you'd like more information or >> anything. >> So at this time we're going to take a 10 minute break Before we start 7 c and 7 s as >> North business improvement District. And these items go 7 see through 7 as sorry. These are 4 of Annual proposed 2027 operating plans for business improvement districts item 7 see through 7 s. Good morning to you. Good morning. >> Okay. Yeah. So today will be discussing the 2027 operating plans and budgets provided by the business improvement districts within the city. Okay. So today we've provided one overall presentation for all 17, the id's business improvement District. At this work session and propose them all on consent for the regular meeting on OCTOBER 27th. That was time any can be pulled for discussion if necessary. Each year staff expects to receive these operating plans and budgets by SEPTEMBER. 30th and the city has 30 days to approve use, but not later than DECEMBER. 5th leaving limited opportunity for any postponement. Planning staff thoroughly reviewed all plans and budgets provided looking for inconsistencies within the hour with the Special District Policy be id model. And if summarize the items for introduction today as is currently understood, the city does not approve if the city does not approve to be id reverts. The previous year's plan. It should also be noted that the downtown development authority similar be id goes through a separate process. That is not through the planning Department and will be presented by the budget office. Apparently. Evaluation of the submitted. The idea operating plan updates. There are no significant changes proposed for 2027. In fact, sheet has been provided for each Friday that summarizes key information and propose changes. The slide. Income says a full list of all the current, the id's in the each be id holding formal debt. Issuances Notae did on this slide. It should be also noted that the barns and power south will be dissolved and does not provide an update. Updated operating plan and budget for this year for the year 2027. And there. That's the reason that you are hearing about 17, the id's this year instead of 18 from last year. The city here, the the ideas that are most considered is mostly developed. And these are considered as the developing districts. As for planned debt issuances by these be id's, no debt issuance for the 17 bear. These is contemplated for 2027. And this table. Here is a list of the mill Levy changes occurring in 2027 or that are anticipated by the be id's. Be it is increasing or decreasing their debt, operational mill levies for the year 2027, they have been provided within this chart. And there's comparisons to their maximum levees and their 2026 levees. Just wait a second for you get time to look at that. These be id's listed here. Ey're not providing changes to their mill levies or do not have a millipede applied. MADAM PRESIDENT. >> Council Yeah. >> True. Win. Win. >> When this comes back for a vote that previous slide. >> Can you? Can you just Colin Moore show which words? It shows the difference, right? It's going from 45 to 50 plus 5 >> That the ok, For each of those 4 for each of the 2 categories ability. So between 2026 2027, you want to see that difference? You yes, please. >> Listed here are bull. Public improvement fees. For each be. It. The percentage of the public improvement fee for Gold Hill North was either not provided or could be located within their budget. So instead of providing a percentage, we just provided the dollar amount that they're anticipating receiving for the year 2027. So that's why just looks a little different than the rest of them. And as for a boundary changes, id's have provided anticipated boundary changes, none of them and to speed boundary changes except for Creek walk marketplace. >> They aren't a spin inclusions for 2027. >> Ken Smith, Donaldson. >> Yes, thanks, MADAM. PRESIDENT Jury coming back. That one slide. Yeah. Can you remind us what is the maximum of >> I'm not sure on the maximum pay maybe can 1, 1, so no. >> I know there's some unique things about this because I've gotten emails about it and do they have to have a sign up when they collect of? >> Who who is is this fall and or is it? Could you just give us a little refresher on Yeah. >> Coming planning director. I don't have a I don't have a lot of detailed information, especially the first question about whether they have to put up a sign. I don't I don't know if but I don't if that's true or not, but I will find out. What was your other question? >> It shows up on the receipt, right? Isn't that additional tax fee? And it stays inside the district. This amount of money. >> of its pledge to various could be revenue. Bonds could be operations could be a number of different things. So they're they're not always. The same thing. But but they are pledged revenue to the district. >> It can be increased like next year's. They could come back and request an increase on or or >> and I think that we don't have approval. We don't have approvals for each of the Except for your service plan approval. That's that is an approval that is by the board of directors of the of the District. >> Do we know if any of these have changed from last year or I don't know. >> Maybe we can. We can again had that. To a discussion of a party to Information that we present next month or next week. >> Sometimes council members, new questions about these pests like cat tax that someone will see on there. And a store. So it would be useful for us to have a little bit of a of a refresher on it. Maybe in conjunction with with the next time. This comes back to us. >> And what provide fact she are little short. More than one page kind of piece of information for you, too, to review. >> said it was their their established. With the what was the magic words? The service service plan established during the service plan and they can or cannot be raised or lowered. Guess they can be. It can be. We don't know that there's any Max is just short of what them are not wearing a on. And you you kind of covered with the what it can be used for the funds that related to certain any any legal purpose, inside inside the well, any legal purpose for the business improvement district? I'm not going to say it's all inside because they also have the opportunity to >> make improvements, you know, outside of their boundary. Do these usually apply to all retail within the? >> District or could be restaurants? Yes, retail know you see up there that there are. There are some differentiation is between different kinds of uses. >> and they are stab wish my contract. So there is, of course, that there is a chance that they could be different for different types uses. >> Okay. Thanks for pointing out my lack of. Attention to detail that it behind your You're going to testing you ira Atlanta. That's good for now. Thank you. >> Yeah. When we were evaluating mean else China we don't recall seeing any changes to these pests but we'll let you know if we. Find differences there. All right. So I spoke to the boundary change that that is anticipated by Creek water. And you'll see that as item that comes up later and 2027. As for the bout Barnes empowers South dissolution as previously stated will be dissolving us. They didn't provide an operating plan and budget for the year 2027. You can expect is anticipated that this it would be brought to NOVEMBER night's work session for that. The solution. We'll see that later. And as required by state statute just to confirm all be id's that have been have websites. I believe last year. Allison Stokke are probably brought up the 5.2 5 property tax waiver was put into place on JANUARY. First 2025 as part of a state statute for local government entities. The that several of the be id's had determined to hold an election this past year to waive the limit to avoid the complications of reduced operational revenues. As a result of this new legislation. Just making mention again of this for this year's 2027. And as for next steps steps just that albeit the updates are placed on consent again, we didn't see any real major changes occurring with this year's updates to include debt issuance boundary changes. And and no levees. Council agrees to place. No 17 be id's on the consent agenda. Each be idea they would have its own motion resolution. And of course, there's could pull one or more off consent on the 27th floor discussion necessary. >> COUNCILMAN Casey? Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT of the petition just lucia's that initiative of the border other party >> Requests that in the city started dissolution process. The starts that dissolution process and brings that dissolution to to provide the city Council. >> So the battle that will just dissolve their service plan and operational plan and budget yes, so that that's initiated by by their board is that usually happen when they pay back all their dead from the improvements and suffers or look of a trigger for today. Look at >> Yeah. They have to 0, 0, dollar on their debt in order to dissolve. So okay. >> COUNCILMAN Donna son. Yeah, thanks again. MADAM PRESIDENT, can we go back? To the slide with the one more for that. So drew this 5 and a quarter percent. What I understood you to say is some of the boards have will vote to. Exceed it. Is that is that correct? >> And I think they've. >> Like come and speak to this one because, yeah, I'm not yes. So district can vote through eligible electors to waive that specific piece of state legislation. So you can do that similar to tapering and those kinds of things. So you can. Eligible electors are required to vote on that. Not the board. So can't can't be adopted by just the board has to be eligible electors to an election. Okay. So they get the distinction there. >> And some are doing that. >> Yes, some proposing to do that. >> No, no, district electors have done that yet. The first the first vote on that is still in the It done it now got a question. I can't answer. >> So I'm just going to keep trying don't know. >> Allison Stokke or senior planner to address that. This was kind of a remnant from last year's presentation with a lot of the district's came in last year. Looking to do this. So there are still a number of districts who reference this previous action that happened in 2025. For 2026. So we're just bit adding this in case you see that most of the districts who elected to do this have already completed this action. >> I don't believe any intend to take this action in the future. >> Do you know did it? Was it successful long? Do you know how many attempted? It wasn't successful in all? It summit was approved. Some it wasn't. >> I believe all that elected to have this consider it did pass and all those Cajuns. I want to say was maybe a handful of the 18 in the 2026 reporting period. Thank you, Allison. It's helpful to know. >> These details and then this MAY be the final question. What what is it like when Planning Department reviews these? And you bring them to us and you say, hey, go ahead. We've reviewed them all, put it on consent. What would? You see one of these plans where you would? Say give us other advice other than that. Is there anything you would see where were? You would say? >> You know, council, we have some concerns with this. >> This be id's plans. Yeah, I Kevin Walker's claim director, the thing that would raise a red flag would be substantial. >> Modification of up rate or a substantial increase and property tax, some kind, a revenue shortfall. Or anything like that this year, we didn't have any bond issues. So we always look for that. >> Just to just to see whether the amount is still under the service planned those kinds of things. So it would be some sort dramatic change in expected. You know, growth or actions or activities that the board that this plan shots. That this plan notifies us of that that wouldn't that that wasn't last year. Different from last year. >> And our planning department has looked through all of these for those kind of a concerning changes season. We have. You and I do. Drew and renew Okay. And I've expressed this concern in the past. The council is asked to vote yes on this, but we don't have an outside body. >> That or an outside expert that we could come in and review them and say, well, this is odd. You don't you don't typically see this. Sure. I understand you're performing that function. >> Well, I think that we do perform that function. Whether or not you consider us to be expert says. You know, is is up to you. He I think we as much experience anybody around this. They also have to perform in annual audit. And those audits. I reported back to us by the state. So there's some issue that the audit identifies that the state auditor. Seas, they will notify the city as well. So there's another catch there in case there's some concern. The more questions. >> I don't see ok? Thank you. Thank you. Moving on to item 7 t will the clerk please read item 7 t into the record resolution funding a public purpose and the continued leasing of to the ymca of the Pikes Peak Region round up on which the southeast wi is constructed. Good morning, Jim. Good morning. Council PRESIDENT Pro Iverson Protem Risley members of Council. My name is Kim King. I'm the assistant director for the Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services Department. >> Thank you so much for your time this morning. To Dan, bringing forward for consideration request for a renewal of a long-term ground lease with the ymc of the Pikes Peak region be providing background on how this agreement came to place, how the Southeast wi provides community benefit. And how it provides accessibility to the community. Through the unique day rate feature that it has at that particular location at the end of the presentation, I'll be asking representatives from the ymca of the Pikes Peak region to come forward and provide some additional information to you regarding this site in the partnership we have had for so many years. So lets get started. Little bit of background. This particular partnership project actually began back in the 1990's. The city wanted to increase the number of recreation centers. It had the did not have the funding in place to do it alone, but it did have available land. On the other hand, the wind was looking for a location for a recreation center. Did not have the space had funding, but not the space to do it with the success of the skip bond, which is springs community improvements program funding was made available for this particular project. And with that success pose, both organizations were able to come together and create a great recreation center, benefiting the southeast side of town as well as a community as a whole. Just give me a little orientation. This location. If you're not familiar with it is East of Academy and staff Michelle Nunn, jet Wing drive adjacent to see high school as well as Sand Creek Trail. And this is a photo of the exterior of it. Construction was completed in 2002, approximately 72,000 square feet. Just some of the site amenities listed here that are included in the location, as you can see it in it is actually one of the larger white communities here in town and from this list of facility amenities you can see it really does have pretty much something for everyone. As well. A very wide range of programs, which, again, with that size of a facility are able to do. And it really is everything from Jim Space exercise based youth development and as well as even a Comcast Digital Center, which is a free use of computers open to the public. No membership required. So looking at the current white pricing here, here's a current thing. Again, that unique rate, which was the agreement will be getting into in a moment related to that initial ground lease term. $15 per adult $10 per child. 45 per family. >> And then as well as our membership rate recognize recognizing their loyalty discounts after one year and also recognition of the military members, especially the southeast side of town. Typically, we do have a lot more military in that area. One thing to note on the day, right through the initial a initial term of the ground lease that day rate was related only to the pool access to a pool facilities that has been change. Leadership is change that that is now for facility used for the entire Here's some additional information focusing in on the Southeast wi and looking at that particular day rate. The shows numbers of participation and use of the day passes. >> As well as overall membership and how many utilize military memberships with that additional discount. The blue bars represent 2025. The Orange bars represent through SEPTEMBER 14th of 26. >> Focusing more and on additional statistics specifically around financial assistance, financial aid, additional data here. Again, the blue bars 2025 to Orange Bar is to SEPTEMBER of 2026, you can see over 200,000 and financial assistance provided and 25 and almost 150,000 in 26 and doing additional research. I came across this graphic on the right which shows results from the 2024. Of how financial assistance is allocated across the ymca of the Pikes Peak region and within the red box, you can see for the Southeast Center was 18% there. Their allocation as opposed to the rest of their facilities as well as some of their programming next. As you can see that particular location have more financial assistance and even some of their programs did. Which I think speaks and to the side of the community benefit, they provide. >> And wanting to ensure that they do have and people do have the ability to Hughes the Weis system and the Southeast wi. So this is the initial lease terms due to the community benefit. Chief, construction of the facility initially is term's were very here toward that community benefit. The aquatics portion of the building remained in city ownership throughout the 25 year term while it was operated and maintained by the y is part of the initial lease agreement while the wiaa for memberships. This location also offered the daily use fee for the pool area in part is recognition of the taxpayer support in the location, construction of the facility at the end of the lease the White provided in writing or request to continue at least for another 25 years. COUNCILMAN Hand him. Yet. One back. I went way back. Thank you, Emily. If you can go to the initial lease terms. Sorry about that. Is there another slide related to lease terms on? >> then next slide will actually be with the renewal terms. You're looking at. Okay. So guess my question came in and I know you and I exchanged and know that we've really had a conversation that we've exchanged e-mails about this and >> have, you know, I've heard to handful of people who have expressed concerns about the and this has to do more with pools and the use of pools >> the affordability of >> the use of the pools through the why. So if you could just speak a little bit more, too. >> Their program, obviously, if you're a member, you know, pay to use their pools, which is also see pool. But if you're a lie. >> And you're using on up heard per use per day use. How does that fee? I guess compared to maybe other cities or, you know, just what's your sense of how affordable it really How can I can a couple of things actually. >> One is overall agreement with the wind for Operation Ember Pools has been in place since 2012 over that time. They have operated Cottonwood Creek Recreation Center, which is the closest thing I would say to community center rec center because it year-round, the remaining pools are outdoor seasonal pools. I in the past look at this at the request of former leadership and what what I have determined in terms of a white paper was basically if the city were running, it would be pretty much at the same levels that they are just because of the nature of pools are very expensive to operate. And the return is usually 50 per cent on the dollar. So I I can tell you that I can this time break. If you'd like and I could have one of the representatives of the wycombe up and they can speak in more detail about this. They will also I know they are also planning to talk about accessibility in general and how they address accessibility with all of their wise, which includes pools. But if you'd like, I can have them speak to an hour can time. >> If I leave it up to the PRESIDENT, but I would like to hear should be okay. >> Morning Glory. Williams, PRESIDENT Ceo, the Ymc, the Pikes Peak Region. And with me is Theresa Johnson, executive Vice PRESIDENT Council member first our excess ability is wide open. I would never turned anybody away in 148 years of continual service in the community unfortunately not everybody knows that we work really hard and promoting our accessibility being the largest oldest locally governed, nonprofit in our community since 18 78, we remain steadfast in providing opportunities for everybody that MAY not otherwise afford the opportunity. If they didn't have a finance resources since we have subsidize the Southeast lie it approximately 13 million dollars. This year's budget. If for business owners here is a terrible business plan. We have a budget that's going to subsidize that facility by $675,000. That's our direct impact. Back to that community. If we're a for-profit like other providers of this community, we would gladly sell or did that to the city or other. But that's not our mission. Our mission is about community and providing opportunities for our residents. Throughout Colorado Springs Pikes, Peak region area. And so we are committed to ensuring everybody has a safe, accessible experience. But it's also very expensive, very expensive. You know, when we are having to pay lifeguards $18 an and keep up with inflation and just the right across the staffing insurance, et cetera. It's it's it's very it's very expensive. So we don't want to pressure sells off. But we also offer the opportunity that they can't afford even day passes. We make it affordable for that family or that individual. >> That's really helpful. And you you raised the question for me that I've not thought about before >> the city and I I'm not going to get all the exact number of pools because we have polls that aren't functioning right now. But I hear concerns and frustration that we don't have enough city pools in our city, which raises the question for me, are there pulls at your wise in the region that are not associated with the city, but that you offered the same accessibility to anyone. We do all that recent ahead. And how many polls is that him that that that aren't? Coach joined with the city. So that would require that's about 6 additional swimming pools. We consider it like bodies of water, if you will. So hot tubs, even the H.O.A. Is that we manage so collectively, the ymca man just about 22 different bodies of water within our facilities. We do provide access. We don't provide day passes to our ymca a's our other wines. He is opposed to, of course, Cottonwood Creek and the Southeast ymca. But with any of those we do financially assist and we financially multiple in multiple ways. So for example, if we have individuals that come in and they are military, we look at the financial assistance based off of their military. I-25 1% or we look at their actual income. Whichever is lower. That's what we put them into place with. And then if there are extreme measures like they might be a family who this is their income, but they're going through difficulty with medical bills or things like that. So every case is a unique basis and we have the staff there trained to do that in additional. We also offer a group rate because we mean the city has a lot of nonprofit organizations that serve underserved children, adults and teens. And so for those, we have great greats that basically you can bring in 2 groups, one adult to 6 individual. So it's a ratio for $97.50 a month. So very low barrier to getting in. That is just a process. But with the cost of running the swimming pools, obviously, there's a lot of infrastructure like Boyd was talking about, not just the lifeguard staffing, it's the chemicals. It's the upkeep. It is. I mean, we're and everybody through register sex offender list and he things like that. That is infrastructure to keep the schools going. So the day rate is how we try to set it to. That is the basic. But we will work in the body through central Plank. >> In addition, we just entered into a contract couple years ago with station project with an services company. And reinvest 1.9 million dollars in the southeast at the ymca took on to upgrade mechanical plumbing, electrical become, you know, decrease the carbon footprint. But it was just it's a 25 year-old facility that we needed to keep. So we did invest net. And then additionally, since 2012 Kevin, I worked on this when I first got to the city in 2011 the partnership with the outdoor pools Ashley Senior center, we have saved the city compared to what was their operating prior several million dollars over that time we run efficiently. We have to we're nonprofit, but we also have to keep up with the facility Yeah, absolutely. >> Well, I really appreciate you adding in on this session. Kim, thank you. And that, you know, we are going to be looking at parks master plan. I think I've learned some things here in this conversation and would like to to talk or offline later with the Parks department about how we maybe expand our communication on the city's website. Both about the partnership that we have with the y and the various ways in the money that you helped save for the city. But also what is available to people that isn't through the city but is available to the Wian terms of these memberships that you mention the no day passes. So I get that. But you know what? What kinds of things are available to again, as we just try to make accessibility to recreational services as much as possible in the city. And then when given the opportunity and certainly this is one of them to help educate >> The city council members and staff really ymca serves as a rec department facilities, not community centers, but like we're talking about so the city does not have to reinvest or has not reinvesting in the facilities since Cottonwood Creek in Memorial Park probably 30 years ago. So we we hold that the time. Hi, we're proud of that same thing with the town of Monument with Tri-lakes up north. And so we invest a lot. It's a unique partnership there. Several partnerships like this across the country, but ours is as real unique. And we've got such a great working relationship with Cameron and the entire city staff that I think for me, it's it's it's a benefit to the community. And it's it's one that takes takes a lot of resources. But we ought to that community. >> Well, thank you very much. And I hear loud and clear the investment that you're you are putting into these facilities and grateful >> council in line with her. Yes, I just want to have better understanding about What offerings are different between the why unlike Deerfield Community Center, which is about? >> You too much over to miles about 7 minutes apart. What what? When you look our we apples and oranges, are there similarities? Are there things that kind of happened how did they? I'm trying to understand different types of facilities because I think some are overlapping. But I just want to understand between definitely a and >> If our way representative need to chime and I can tell you between the Southeast wi which again, you're looking at the programs and just the amenities within that facility and 72,000 Square feet, it just has a lot more. I would save everything very much a recreation focus, but they also have after-school programming youth programming use leadership training. A lot of things, whereas with the Deerfield is about 5,000 Square feet. Definitely. It has the sprayground, which is a phenomenally free amenity that it has. It provides, you know, in the past has had summer camps. It is had after school programming in the past. It has a food pantry in does programming for the neighborhood now, but it just doesn't have the capacity due to the sheer facility of it. Our lack of facility to be able to as much programming varied as programming as the wide as and again Recreation center. Still more of that focus on exercise well-being to a much greater extent and airfield can capacity for in Deerfield would be is free. The community. >> Its programming and services. It depends. Some of the programs are free others. There is a charge associated with it. Definitely this program history. Okay. >> So I I'm trying to get that to cause. The other thing that I kind of looked really been looking at with the parks master plan coming up, the the trust for public Land report. One of the things that they came out with was how portly we've really done with aquatics, you know, like spring spray pads and pools and stuff like that. Do you think they're considering our relationship with the ymca and the report? Or I mean, why did the downgrade us so much in that particular area? >> The top of my head, I would have to go back and at that because I know between tpl rpa survey. All of the different surveys and they all have different criteria and definitions that would they work with And so each is very What they consider don't consider. So I definitely need to go back and revisit. >> Yeah, because I you know, for my fellow council and we were we were ranked 52nd it and they dropped us to 66 out of 100 cities. So our drop, our ranking dropped considerably last year. And one of the areas that they highlighted was around aquatics. And and so I'm just trying to I think that makes this very, very important and that we really try to. Uplift those particular areas for sure. And even look to how do how do we address that issue across the city? So anyway, thank you. Okay. Continue. >> And so the renew renew a lease terms again to this would be for the next 25 year agreement. Some of the highlights here again, it would be maintaining that ground lease rate of the dollar per year. >> Per the original lease it called for the aquatics portion of the building to revert to why ownership after that. First 25 years. >> So that would be built into it. Why would continue to own and operate the building as a regular branch of the wife or benefit to the public? But it would still maintain that daily use fees. So it's still recognizes again partnership with the city and the commitment the city has had to that particular facility and also with fact that is built upon sitting land. COUNCILMAN Williams. Cameras have a quick question and I MAY have missed it in the back and forth. But >> is the daily use be going to stay this? >> Same is it going change like I have not received any information this point that that is changing. >> Okay. So just yesterday said not fast. It's going to say it's not necessary. Codified is that has been for the last 25 years. But their plans to >> maintain it in a way that it's reflected the past 5 years, correct. And along with and again, this is strictly relates to the ground lease so strictly the police. >> It also had an operating agreement which acknowledge that the facility is the why facility they operated under their rules and regs and they can at time raise their fees in order to operate as a business out in the future. That would definitely be a possibility. But nothing imminent. Nothing immediate. Okay. Thank you. Okay. And then just isn't out a kind of plays into that discussion. We just had, you know, as the community survey results from the park system master plan should high interest and desire for community and recreation centers and aquatics. We believe continuing to support this particular relationship in this agreement is really important in being able to provide a community benefit that meets the needs and desires of the community. Not only for the southeast, but for the community as a whole. This is a timeline. So again, did come before parks board actually back and on SEPTEMBER 10th board had additional questions. Actually around pricing and accessibility. So we've provided additional information to them. Last week we had both boy didn't receive come forward and speak to the board as well after hearing that and seeing the additional information, some of which has been included in your presentation Parks advisory board did unanimously approved to move this forward with the recommendation that council consider and approve the ground lease as presented. As noted here. This is OCTOBER 27th is the first state. It would be available to come back for a vote to city Council. Should you desire to move forward with the item? COUNCILMAN Hinton? Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT thank you for the summary of the Parks Board action was there anything in their conversation prior to the vote? >> That you think would be helpful to highlight for us. This council members either recommendations, suggestions concerns, things that. Would be helpful for us to know. >> Additionally at or talking about that SEPTEMBER 10th meeting. I did not have those specific treason charges or the financial assistance provided at that time, which is really their focus. It was about accessibility about the abity of individuals in Southie as east being able to access the why. So we did also talk about making sure that it was on the website that individuals knew there was this day use fee. So that has reconfirmed with the y and we provide them information and that again, having Theresa Boy be able to go into more in depth about all the ways that they look at for accessibility for the community was very helpful to the board. They were very comfortable moving forward after that. Great. Thank you. And at this time, we are available for any additional questions or our conversation. Time. Thank you. COUNCILMAN Risley. Sorry. Thanks, MADAM PRESIDENT. >> some Randy's name of that I just wanted to take the opportunity to thank the ymca thank our partners the work that you do is tremendous for the community and it really underscores the importance of these types of partnerships without the ymca running alongside the city. We wouldn't be able to provide a lot of the programs and services that the Parks department just simply can't can't do, can't get to write limited budgets, limited sort government oversight. And this truly is where cut the private sector, the nonprofit sector is so important to making sure that needs are met across the community. So I just wanted to take the opportunity to acknowledge and underscore that and sank the ymca for their their work. Not only this location, but throughout the community. Appreciate that. Thank you. >> Moving on to item 7, you. The clerk. Please read item 7. You into the record. >> Resolution authorizing the dispose of the property fairly known as the Meadows Park Community Center, also known as a Pasco County tax schedule. Number 6, 206, through the community benefit process. >> Good Morning Kim King, assistant director Parks, Recreation, Cultural services here this morning to bring before you an item that has been long in the making. We're very excited to be able to bring it to you today. And we really do appreciate the time to bring this project forward. It's taken time to get to this point. I think for all the right reasons, including ensuring the community has been heard. We've been able to explore a variety of options for the location and also fully evaluate the opportunities proposed. So I will be reviewing the site, its current state. The process conducted to find a solution the community involvement throughout that process and the recommendation resulting from that process at the end of the presentation. I along with Kelly Billingsley, who is our real estate services manager and Thomas thompson from community affairs will be happy to answer any questions. You have as well. And as we also have John Rogers here who is with cre holdings in as the proposed buyer of the property would like to introduce you to Amman, help. They have a chance for you all to talk with him as well. So to provide a quick overview set the context for the presentation here. Few Givens to keep in mind as we watch through power point, we're here today provide you with information. Supporting our recommendation for the future use of the property Givens to keep in mind include the fact that the goal was not to recreate another community center, but to ensure community benefit could be achieved with the property. Additional background regarding the facilities included. But the focus of the presentation, our effort is really looking forward. And what could be and this place in space. And then the valuation of the property itself is based on the valuation with a deed restriction on the property. So a little bit of time line here. Again, as I mentioned, it is taking a while to get here, but think it's been well worth it. And been very thoughtful. Moving forward a little over a year Meadows Park was closed as part of our the department's requirement provide 3.1 million dollars in savings for 2026. Due to budget reductions. And then you can see here we had a number of meetings with the neighborhood following Meadows closure and also the development of the solutions team which will be talking more about as we move forward in 2026. After much process, we move forward with a request for proposal rfp. For the future. Use an operation of the center. That process pretty much took us through spring and summer then again, once we went through the process, which will go into more detail as well. We brought it to parks advisory board as an action item actually last week as well as part of that, advisory board after hearing the information unanimously approved and recommended going forward to council with the recommendation for council to move forward with the sale at that time. Also, they did haven't built regarding potentially with the proceeds of the sale. The recommendation was the proceeds would go back to the Parks Department and you received a that they put together was signed by the chair. Steve Harris, just so you have that document on record. And then as we work to address act over 12 for the session today and then OCTOBER 27th is just set as a first opportunity would have to vote on it. Should you decide to move the item forward? So just as location on the left side of the map shows are what were the 4 community centers. The yellow Dot is Meadows Park on the right side just shows you add the stars Wear Meadows Park Community Center is located basically south of I-25 and east of Nevada in the Stratton Meadows neighborhood. This is an aerial view of the center. It really it kind of shows at Lynn Year, a space, if you will, very long. It's not your typical community center and which really hearkens back to the fact that originally was a strip mall. And these are a few shots. If you haven't been in the space originally built in 1969, approximately 11,000 square feet, going back to the presentation. We just wrapped up a game gives you sense of 70,000 square feet at a rec center for the wide. This is 11,000 exterior shot. And then as you walk in the entrance also does 4 and a half have says, Jim. And mentioned originally neighborhood strip mall. Actually Meadows Park Community Center, if you will, started in the apartments across the street from this location, it started to outgrow the community room in the apartment. And so it started leasing spaces across the street and the strip mall over time would lease more space and eventually the city was able to purchase it. And we became a full service community center in 1982. And this is its current zoning building conditions just looking at building conditions. Overall, the city is currently in the department is currently paying between 800 and $1000 a month to maintain security. A pest control cameras, routine preventative maintenance on the facility has been closed since the time of the closure last year. We do maintain and we have staff go by check. Make sure it it's staying good order for being a close facility. Additional items aab asbestos containing materials are in good condition. We haven't had a complaint sampling of the building. Any sampling is usually been related to any repairs or remotely we've done over the years. Latest ada inspection was from 2024, we have had some of those improvements made focus mainly on restrooms and can't access ability areas. And again, as noted here, the city Buildings Masterplan assessment completed in 20 to listed a little over 900,000 of immediate prepare meat. The Centre Closure decision. This again was one of many reductions that the parks department took. Should she 3.1 million reduction that included closing restrooms, which I know some of you have heard about over the past year, eliminating additional positions beyond the center. We reduced mowing. We reduced turf maintenance across the system as well as scaling back on the repair vandalized equipment. And that's how we met or 3.1 million dollar reduction. In addition to Meadows, which was about $775,000 saving annually factors contributing towards disclosure include we had included having a number of position vacancies at the time we and looking at the numbers. It was the least performing of all of the centers, even the facility itself was not as conducive to programming. There are security concerns with a lot narrow hallways getting cameras controlling kids. All of that. It wasn't built this a community center. So definitely we did the best over the years. But if you looked at all of them, that was something that also came into consideration on looking at posters. So there is definitely community was component throughout the past year as we move forward. Now to providing initial feedback following the closure of the facility in meetings, an online surveys which resulted in a 36 page executive summary of all the resident input we received. They've definitely been a part of that. And then once we determine we need to figure out what we're going to do next, Meadows Park Solutions team was established as a temporary task force to provide recommendations going forward. What that next chapter the facility could bake COUNCILMAN Russ Le. >> Thanks, MADAM PRESIDENT I think it was over the weekend or possibly just this morning, at least some of us received an e-mail from DR. Wendy Bertolet Harrison School District concerned with the community process and concerns that the district had not been engaged in discussions around childcare or other necessary services that MAY be tangential to are related to what school district can provide what they do. You can you comment on any of those concerns are on the involvement that Harrison School district had in the process? >> And I did not receive that her copy of that email. Some not completely familiar with everything that is an it as we go through the presentation has came out because this was before parks board last week. The idea of a care was a focus on the the buyers. Initial focus for the facility. Should all of this come to pass? But he has not gone out and develop partnerships or found tenants or anything like that because this isn't a done deal. >> You know, have there been conversations with Harrison School district? >> That I do not know. I know. I know there would have been conversations when we're looking at the community overall recently know because it has been a closed process until basically last week in terms of if it was going to go become a child care facility, I can check with with Thomas if. He has had any or any groups. You know, we did have to, you Just so you have Thanks. >> No, sir. We have not had any recent conversations, but we did have to hear some school district members as part of the solutions team that moves the process forward. So if there are members of the solutions team that were from the district, I'm kind of surprised that the superintendent of schools wouldn't be aware of that. That is surprising. Would you be open to following up with Dr Wendy? Yes, circular feel like she's obviously been a major driver in the southeast part of the community and somebody who understands the needs and the certain makeup of the community in general. So she hasn't been engaged. I recommend percent. Thank you. >> COUNCILMAN Casey. >> Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT Reason cited for close the facility was budget cuts and 2025 with the increase in sales and use tax in 2026. On the projected increases through 2027. We're not looking at it. We're not looking keeping the facility open as an option as opposed sauna. >> No I think there's a couple elements to that one. Again, it is been closed down for a little over a year on the staffing associated with that war, part of the reduction in force. So we do not have that staffing in place. Now. Also in terms of the budget and looking forward again, you'd be looking at, you know, 775,000 this year up, probably pushing a million, I think also as once a decision like that has been made and we have move forward in such a thoughtful process to still have a community benefit. The idea of being able to kind of >> do such a pivot would be problematic. One for the neighborhood. And I think for the department and our staff to be perfectly honest I think the idea of if decisions are made in, especially when they affect people makes meant effect. This level of service that it would be very difficult to say, well, no, good now. Let's bring it back. And then what happens if 2 years from now? We have another bad year and people go away and that's like, well, next year, maybe work that we come back. So I think there's something like that, especially in this amount of time that's gone through. We've also had a number of the services that were some of the services that were initially with Meadows Park have moved to other entities within the neighborhoods such as the food pantry that is now over at Stratton Meadows Elementary. We have also clear pretty much cleared the facility out. So at this point, a lot of the furniture despise. Everything has been redistributed. So when just necessarily bring bring people back, you would be re setting up that facility to try and start up again. >> And second second question preeds from the sale when we were originally briefed. Alyssa. So the proceeds will so really going to the general fund. But yet the park's advisory board is now recommending that it goes back to parks are correct. >> 19 million of the general fund supports the parks department. So we do receive a significant amount of funding from the General fund. They're allocate their request. Was this $700,000 component be allocated to the Parks department to address one time capital needs. Obviously it's one time money, but that that was their recommendation to Council. Of course, that's just now I know it becomes part of the overall budget process, but they wanted to make you aware that that was their recommendation. I think in part because it's coming. It's a practice facility that's being sold to have a comeback parks, right? All right. Thank you. Council in line over. >> Yeah, I want to just follow up on that question because, you know, one of the things that I always get concerned about is when we take something away from a part of our community. Usually gets redistributed and other things or whatever. And it I would like to see us not only say that it goes to parks, but that it goes back to this particular community like it goes into some kind of development of some park still exists. There or some kind of feature Sosa that that community doesn't have a net loss. The that can be reinvested in that neighborhood. And so my my ask and I don't really even know who I would ask is how can could we could we tie the knot? I maybe this goes to city attorney. Kim. We tie the sale Corp this. To benefit that neighborhood are that community is certain is their language that we add to something like that. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, through you to councilmember line. Whenever I can't think of a reason why legally he wouldn't be able to do that. >> So I'm I mean, my plan is to ask my board members to consider that this community had a loss. And we shouldn't redistribute these these funds to other portions of the city. We need to kind of heal it and to do that, say we're going keep the asset. That neighborhood. But just to look different. And I and find some way to improve that neighborhood and I would really would rely on. I'm sure there's plenty of projects Could figure out or whatever. What could we do to enhance that neighborhood? So I just making known that that's kind of what my push is going to be. Not only that the money would go to parks, but that it would go to that neighborhood for parks. >> COUNCILMAN Hinge him. Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, thank you. Councilmember Line Weber. That was very interesting suggestion that you just made having served on that solutions team having been a part of those conversations with that community and actually hosting the the community meeting shortly after the announcement was made. And and you're absolutely correct that that community felt really, quite frankly, very betrayed by the city and that community center built in a former strip mall and retrofitted to serve that community is super important and a lot has happened and many of those functions now are being met in other places. But that committee made it very clear the kinds of things that they want to have happen with that building. And I as much as I would love to see us have a continually running city. Community center in that neighborhood for all kinds of reasons that became not possible. But I would love to discuss idea that councilmember line Weber has had about with the Parks department about because it is absolutely should be a one-time cost just a one time. But if money, what would it look like to actually vote that those dollars to that particular neighborhood? There is a park immediately across the street from where that former community center was. And I'm sure it probably has all kinds of needs, maybe upgrades and so forth that would be needed there. So that's a very interesting and I'm I'm very intrigued to support that idea. I would want to do that in conversation ship partnership with the Parks Department and not just make that determination on her own. I think it's important that we partner with you all and what that looks like. But I really appreciate the idea of my fellow council member and I'm supportive of pursuing. Johnson and Gold. Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT, I just really want to say thank you to councilmember easily and >> my mother for your thoughtful list in comments that you've made regarding this discussion also wanted to second that motion with councilmember wind Weber on how we are able to reallocate that funding to that direct neighborhood. I ask would be I know we do have some folks on the solutions team who are related to Harrison School district to. But if we could have somebody directly from the executive team, whether it's Dr Byrne handle or as covid or one of the school board members too, be placed on the solutions team so that they could have more direct impact. >> Lets see. So going back to community involvement again in the solutions team did have represent was a broad cross section of the community. We had Stratos residents in that subject matter. Experts, Council members and city staff in the solutions team focus was really utilizing that executive summary input from those meetings and the online surveys that we on to develop an explorer recommendations for future use. Potential partnerships, ownership models and as well as next steps for community needs long-term sustainability plan. But really that resident input became the foundation for the next phase of the process. That competitive process was a request for also. It was reviewed by the solutions team reviewing the community input to help shape the priorities in the valuation country criteria for the rfp priorities reflected in the process. It's included the list here right at the top youth programming and childcare, but also food access, health wellness workforce, flexible gathering space. All these were priorities that have been mentioned and were Rick's included is kind of. I did generation as part of the rfp. So then the components of itself, the scope included, again, aspiration of the property that it be vibrant, be financially viable, that it is substantial has obscene benefits to strap Meadows neighborhood and the community as a whole expectations of the proposals would incorporate potentially want a more commercial and community benefits to, you know, looking at that balance between bid Price business plan, Community benefits and then a commitment being open to strategies included purchase lease or partnership model. The evaluation criteria was split into the sections here, qualifications and relevant experience. Obviously, financial stability has a very important to last because it would not be supported by the city. Having history of success. In other words, somebody that's a viable. Then to that potentially has been around for a while. So we know we can see that moving down to community impact in alignment. The neighborhood benefit, equitable and accessible use responsiveness to that community input all came into play along with compensation financial approach and the presentation itself. So these are all things that were looked at in evaluating the river. The proposals received. So based on that, the result of the rp process included 3 proposals and just as a side note because I know it's come up and questions and conversations I've had before. We did have a number of what you would consider might be kind of your typical partner organizations come and tour the facility before they ever came out for consideration of whether or not they would look at a partnership. So we did have a number of those organizations come through, but none of them submitted a proposal as part of this process. The evaluation committee selected one proposal to move forward cre Holdings. It's a local company. The company's principal John Rogers has been active in the community for over 20 years. A little bit about crt Holdings in again. MISTER Rogers can come up and talk more detail about this, but some of their core strategies is identifying under utilized or dormant properties with community. Potential capitalizing them without public subsidy. Developing them into stable long run, long-running community sso. This really resonated with evaluation committee in terms of some of the things you're looking for, recent example of this is the Lincoln Center. If you're familiar with, that's just north of Penrose main on Cascade Avenue the proposed facility use is based as a child care operations serving working families and youth programming. And after care partnership. Meaningful, ask us access for lower-income households and committed again to an active, improved occupied facility. He disposal terms here and this is heart comes back to some of the given say had. So the initial appraisal was at one point 0, 2, 5 million dollars. This was an appraisal considering having a deed restriction on the property. The initial offer was 500,000 during negotiations. We have arrived at 700,000. Destruction outlining acceptable community uses as well as prohibited uses is included in this for 25 years. Also includes a right of first refusal. And again, those prohibited prohibited uses are also included in the deed language. The deed restriction itself allows for the following in broad terms, again, very focused on a broad spectrum of services that benefit the health, welfare, safety and quality of life of the residents of strip Meadows as well as the overall community uses. That educator quit the community or provide a service to the community and uses that provide opportunities for the community to gather or exchange ideas. And there's more specificity to that. But that was kind broad terms for it. Then these are the good deed restrictions prohibit also included in residential housing group living Industrial Hub cap marijuana related services, natural medicines, and indoor and outdoor kennels. COUNCILMAN 100 have a question. I do actually. If it's acceptable, I would I would like to hear from MR. Rogers, I have a question for him. If if that's acceptable, sure. >> Thank you for coming today, MR. Rogers, I've heard great things about you. I was just one of year to, you know, you're what's the right word developments yesterday. It wild that's yours, correct? I'm Lincoln Center. Link it to your think a county where it >> It the BlackBerry Lincoln Center was the o k? >> Well, I was Idlewild yesterday, but I go to Lincoln Center all the time and am very appreciative of the use of that old school my question is in and it was interesting to hear and be reminded from Kim that some of our regular partners who visited this property didn't even submit a proposal. And I kind of wonder if that's because it was originally built for commercial purposes and that that kind of makes sense for it to be. Used again in that way. But based on your experience with Lincoln Center and how you can get to the community. My question is, would you be willing or have you met with any of these solutions, team members or the community to really understand directly from them how this really will be meaningful for them. I think there many of them are very excited about possibilities that associated with this building. But could you just talk to me a little bit about how you interface with the community? >> Yeah, I the rfp had a very long report. That's what the community wanted. Great. And so we're going after the priority, which is the day care. And we're not sure if the daycare will build that box by or part of the building. But that's who were initially going to go after. Got child at Vanguard. And so we're going to approach them. Also. Harrison School district will approach, but we don't have anyone in mind that there was a link, the report. And I think we're also going to have a meeting with them. The community in the near future. >> Great. I think that will be very helpful to you. And my hope is that and I know all of this will emerge as it needs to emerge. But there were there are a lot of people in that neighborhood who are excited about what's possible for their own. Obviously for their use of of that and what they need. But also some entrepreneurs and some you know, might enjoy starting a business there you know, I think they are interested in wealth creation and and really uplifting that neighborhood to be more vibrant. So I just share that with you spent some time with a lot of them and hope that you will to the same. >> Yeah, absolutely. It's really nice to >> heard his name, but they actually have had chance to meet yet. Very excited. He's here today. But he deed restrictions. Community benefit, determination. So the community benefit. As real estate transaction. We have the process within the city's real estate manual that recognizes property being disposed of with a community benefit component through this mechanism. City Council can allow the property to be sold to certain conditions. So studied restriction as well at below fair market value. As we've already discussed, that deed restriction is included in the contract that's being proposed. And then this is the timeline here again, has park's advisory board heard this item last week unanimously recommended to move forward with the sale the property. That recommendation comes to you as an advisory board to City Council. The OCTOBER 27th date again is the first available date for a vote. Should council decide they want to move it forward. And then if that were the case, would hope to anticipate closing no later than DECEMBER 31st. COUNCILMAN Remy. Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT. >> Just one quick question. You MAY provided an answer. I just want maybe some clarity to it. The solutions team, quite sure Matt on the variation of different times and in one of the slides, there was a very specific bullet that MAY mention recommendations for future use. Those future uses had that been shared to the community. By that solutions team. >> Those recommendations for future use actually were initially. >> gathered from that 30 6 page executive summary. So that came from basically the residents again having having the opportunity to have resident members throughout this whole process, he's been significant because they have ensured that we are referring back to that docent. They have an opportunity inform us how the community's feeling other ideas came up. They were able share that with the solutions team. So all of those did come from that. Basically the residents themselves through those representatives on the solutions team. Thank you for clarifying. Because I think that's so important to not just emphasize it, but really highlight that. >> Because oftentimes when an entity of this magnitude is, you know, removed from a from a community and the thought of it being reintroduced back to the community. There always could be that thought process that is going to go back as it was in the past. So the fact that you're highlighting that those recommendations did come from the community that it wasn't like this panel or some other third-party panel made recommendation that it was that of the community and not of some other entity. So thank you for that Clinton. Yes, thank you for the question. Appreciate that. >> And again, also to know we are working on finalizing a day for an opportunity for MISTER Rogers. To me with the neighborhood. And then at that this time we we are to the point of questions again, Kelly is here. Thomas is here and we have John Rogers here. We're happy to answer any additional questions or we could have him come speak more on his. That's regarding the property. COUNCILMAN Williams. MADAM PRESIDENT. >> I I want to start by taking the opportunity. Steve Hirsch, you're kind enough to join us. So would you please share some of the conversation that happened? Parks board and how you arrived at your recommendation? >> Thank you very MADAM PRESIDENT, members of council. So we heard this item twice. So we heard it as a presentation item. First where we also allow the public to speak at that time. I would say. And we also heard this in an executive session at one point. Maybe that's how it didn't executive session and then it was action item. So in the executive session, I think there was some concern because this was a very controversial closing of a facility that the department operates. We were encouraged. We did not know at that time who the vendor would be. So there were a lot of unanswered questions but I would say in the open session that we had there is an enthusiastic support. One of our board members actually is from this neighborhood. She had a lot of trepidation. I think initially when she heard what we're going to be talking about, but she was very in favor of this move. I think there's a lot of optimism that MR. Rogers has the experience and the the business model that will work here. And I would say the only thing that really did come out of in answer to MR. Casey's questions were that then we saw that money would go back to the general fund. The board was unanimous in. We didn't take a vote on that. It was just kind of a consensus be great for us to have it. Obviously we're advocates for the parks department. So it's not you would expect us to be advocating for the money. I certainly welcome Councilmember Line. Weber suggestion that the money from the sale be used for that neighborhood. I think that's a great idea. We didn't discuss that at our meeting, but I there unanimous vote. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, have a couple more comments. Questions to I don't know my fellow council members bought last fall. Feel like it came out of the blue. It felt like we're having conversations and I'm not saying the story. It has to go. But generally, if there's something that's going to transpire like this, it would happen in that calendar year. So the fact that this was closed and 2025, I think came as a bit of a shock to most of us at that time. I was unfortunately still recovering from hospital. Stay so I would just like to publicly thank councilmembers 100 gold for covering those additional etings and and essentially going into that solutions. Team process. So I think that was a very public process as councilmember a new side, there was. 33 36 pages of information that came out of that from the community. That was part of the rfp as we're going forward. And I think the hard part with this one, as we have such that public process and then it really went into the rfp process, which wasn't public. So then it just feels like you've gone, you know, dark communications and nobody knows what's going on. And I think it's taken some time to come essentially out of that much like parks board. We had an executive session after that. There were individual meetings council members and want to impress upon everyone that this was shops around the community and and kind of gone full circle, you know, from the strip mall to the community center. Back to you. Almost like a hybrid model. How can we have this space still engage with the community and but not necessarily be run by the city. Again, I still have not officially met MR. Rogers sometime in the next couple hours. Thank for. Your proposal. And we went through a very thoughtful process and I think city staff is going to handle kind of how we get from here. So they're but I completely agree that it should go back to parks. Weather. That's COUNCILMAN Limmer said all that 700,000 can can go in this space or maybe a percentage of it. That's something that feels like, you know, it's going back to the community. They can see the tangible result of that. I think that is that our best Not quite sure how we comes up or thumbs down. This MAY be without piece of the puzzle, but I would suggest moving it forward and at at a minimum, the $700 these go, the Parks Department, what the Parks department thinks it can spend, you know, and the Meadows Park community area, I'm sure would be excited to hear that and a couple weeks and unless further questions or I can rattle after that are out to thumbs up. Thumbs down for that. PRESIDENT's okay with that. That's what I'm hearing from the joint majority of the council that they do want this to go back to the Parks department in. However, they use it. >> Is up to them so when you bring this back to council, can we have that? In the agreement already? I we don't want to do budget season. We want to do it. The actual vote. Okay. And I'm happy to see a thumbs up. MADAM PRESIDENT. >> Yeah, yes, I'm a thumbs up. I would. I would like to hear from Parks Department what might be possible. I mean, i don't it's not ours to direct how the money gets spent. But and and what percentage or it's all I mean, I would love to see all of it go back to that neighborhood. But I do want to support. Parks expertise on this. And we could definitely within a couple of weeks be able to come back, at least with some most I learned he has an idea. It's not a silent disco. >> Thanks, MADAM PRESIDENT opportunities of the council, Skyler director of Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services. For the Meadows Park. Community area within our park system master plan. We've identified. Improvement that we could do. Totals up to be about $600,000. That's called out within our park system. Master plan effort. It's replacing playgrounds and adding safety surfacing and improving seeding shade and picnic areas. Replacing drinking fountains and improving utilities, replacing signage as well as upgrading ada, accessible movements. And resurfacing and restricting the basketball courts and location. So there's $600,000 said we have specifically within our park system master plan and has commissioned. I think we can go circle up with our team members and figure another $100,000 and perhaps, you know, communique little bit with that community to figure out where that's utilized. Second. Okay. >> All right. Thank you so much for that. We appreciate very much so again, Kim, can I just get a confirmation since you saw? The majority of council, if not all in the agreement. When you come for the vote that that is are really in there. And of course, send it to us because we'll see it before that those funds go back to the parks. So as part of the resolution, yes, yes, ma'am. We can definitely do that. Thank you. >> welcome >> back to this city Council work session for OCTOBER 12, 2026. We are back in session. Well, the clerk. Confront MySpace. For the clerk. Please read item 7 the into the record. >> a resolution adopting the 2026 Park system master plan. >> Let's start again. Good afternoon, PRESIDENT For Iverson, PRESIDENT Pro tem as members of City Council lineup. Dylan is Ian Bell, manager for the Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services Department. I am excited to be here today and it's been about a 20 month journey for our team to present to you. Our park system master plan trapped. I am joined today by our consultant team in the room from Kim Lee Koon and Jeremy Powell. And then to have another consultant member from pros consulting online. Mike Spence, I have parks leadership here today and also have our parks advisory board chair. So you're in for a lot of people. If you have questions, I want to start with a quote from the Parks commission. That was a precursor to our current parks advisory board. They General Palmer's plan for the park system was bold, far-sighted and comprehensive. He sought to surround the city with nearby Parks, Mountain driveways, woodland paths, and trails to furnish places for healthful. Outdoor exercise and quiet, restful enjoyment. I really like how that saying or that coat today still resonates with us. As we look forward to park system, master plan. All So legacy that I just mentioned that defines car springs as 150 years of history. It's a system that is at the core of our quality of life, our health and wellness are environmental stewardship with our open spaces, our community identity and our tourism economy. It really represents a significant long-term stewardship responsibility to protect generations have built and preserves and position us generations to come. We have 4 million cultural destination guests that visit our spaces 715,000 annual persistence and a recreation programming. 19,000 acres of Parkland and open space 26 miles of trail, all student by 242 full-time employees and 152 develops parks. Why do we need this plan now? 2014 park system master plan served its horizon. I wonder if you can remember what you were doing in 2014. That's quite sometime ago. Our community and park system are changing. Have new population growth are assets are continuing to age. You know, all recreation means and rising costs are creating new demands. Her responsibilities are growing and we need to shift their focus to your investment, sustainable funding, capacity and responsible growth. Like to mention that 9% of the 2014 park system master plan or commissions have been completed. And another 78% are advanced are ongoing. Some of those don't happen and time frame. The image on the bottom right of your screen just shows are Pierre c s history took the course of time. Kind of giving ideas of where we had to France's and some of our funding strategies took the course of time. What is our case for action? We heard today from ppr pd and saying that costs are continuing rise. I would also agree with that 160% for operations and maintenance and over 100% for construction caps that have increased since 2000 Deferred capital of Investments are 125 million dollars. Our capital replacement cost totals are over 837 Million. Available. Funding sources have just not kept pace with park system. Not all in total leads us to a 52.0. 2 million dollar annualized funding gap. The top right of the screen shows our general fund in 2019, which is 15.1 million or 7.5% of the overall general fund. And you'll notice a kind of went up and back down and then 2026 currently have 4% of the general about 17.1 million. Another way to look at that is in our staffing levels looking just center general fund Thompson, Ctf stopping levels. In 2008, we had 192 employees of that. 180 were general fund employees took the course of time. That has shifted. And now we have a total of 188 employees in 2026. With 122 of those in our general fund. As you can see, what happens is those employees as well as the main into possibilities are being shifted into our chills up in space and parks as well as conservation trust honors our lottery funds. That does then eliminate some of that cip funding that we have to plea from those sources. How do you get to where we are today? We have extensive community engagement supported by technical analysis, offense and audiences a crosscheck between the analysis and engagement. It's 6,000 written comments 3,000 online survey comments hours of engagement. Something else specially know is a 1016 response to our statistically valid survey. Not only to get responses for the city as a whole, but also each individual council districts. We have not comments pop-up and stakeholder interviews and focus groups and staff workshops. Took all that community input technical analysis. Our consultant team actually went to every single park in town. Took a look at that. What you heard from Skylar was actually results of that inventory that we can so we can see how ready those are already being useful to us. And then we made that into a data informs direction. So what does the data tell us? More than 80% of our citizens prior times reinvestment in the existing system before expansion. I will note that another 20% still honor the fact that we can't continue. Can't quit growing. Makeshift us continue to grow or 65.0. Part percent support additional funding to repair and or open space interim maintenance. 92% of the city with his, which sight. Then 2% of the city is within a 10 minute walk of a city park. I think that's a really amazing stat. Nearly all of our citizens can gets to a city park. 66.2% call for greater communications of Pierre c s is mean we appreciate that comment and know that we need to get our word out in the clear trance parent action. Open space acquisition has been 93% of the system's growth since 2014. And growing strategically once funding and capacity allows is a really important message moving forward. So are 4 things talked about protecting what we have building stronger community corrections creators say for more connected spaces and plan and invest strategically for our future. Where are we going? She took those teams that we just heard and create a clear framework for decision-making that provides us a long-term direction. And I said is a direct line between what we heard, what is needed and what we're doing next. On the right screen. We took those teams credit guiding principles with goals and actions and then implementation strategies. Now, walk you through those in a moment. They want to point out the top rate actually there park system, vision statements and that statement did not change from 2014. That is building community in preserving our legacy to make our springs the finest place to live and visit. There are 4 guiding principles. The first one is preserving legacy, taking care of those cultural and natural resources. We've had 450 years. The second one strengthening community connections. I see this really as a human component of it. How do we connect? Our stakeholders are volunteers, people within our community. Our Kareen kitchens, in our recreation amenities. The 3rd one critic, exceptional experiences. When you're in our spaces are very welcoming. Do you want to come back to enjoy the design? This space is when you're there. The last one investing in our future. What are we looking to do strategically with our funding to ensure the spaces and places that we created our here for the next generation. On the screen before you are first steps. So we knew that means it can then sent down and figure out where we're going from here. Looking to next one to 3 years of what steps we're going. Move forward. The first one is establishing a sustainable investment funding strategy without set point. I'm not sure they're successful in play. The second one launching sustaining a public communication and education initiative, again being transparent with our community developing recreational and cultural service. Action plans. We have those developed for going to look at those and make sure they comply with our current plan. Advancing parks is an economic resource for tourism development where appropriate to really looking at those parks that are appropriate for that, identifying them. Modernizing parks, open space and trails system planning classifications level of service and purely a framework. Once we have this new guy really going back and looking at our existing policies and procedures make sure they lime. Launching a comprehensive asset management program. I think, you know, this is one of our most exciting pieces. We already have begun this, but really making sure that we have available as we move forward. But not least progressing vision or projects. We want to make sure that we have those projects in the wings that we're continuing to advance them. So when it's ready, we're able to put those on the ground. Here's our roadmap set up in phases. The first 3 phases capture the park system master plan. Phase 4 is really beyond the master plan. Hopefully someone will take over that and put it into the next master plan. So the first one that setting up for success, we focusing on the Vinson critical funding policy and asset management building that information that we need to move forward in the future. He's to stabilizing the system, focusing on those deferred maintenance he says improving safety, ensuring the existing parks and facilities meet our standards, a stirring strengthening and growing enhancing system quality of life, expanding access, proving that connected to connectivity between parks and neighborhoods. Should mention that phase one is about 3 years and then phase 2, 3 are both 5 years in length. And then once we get to 2040, elevating and sustaining solely focusing on strategic investment that elevates the system that we create into the first 3 phases. The image on the top. I want mention this total cost of ownership idea. So looking at our capital costs as well as our operations and maintenance costs. And then this capital replacement costs taking everything from deferred maintenance. Our current needs today as well as those needs and that 13 your future combining this together, taking out the amount that we're able to spend on those projects today. And that leaves us with a 52.0. 2 million dollar annualized funding gap. This investment. We have the we're currently under pressure in 2026. We had a reduced service baseline that wasn't a sustainable operating base. I'm daily operations. Nasa presentations I can take are competing for the same constrained resource essentially were not able to do those asset maintenance pieces that we need. Existing assets are falling behind 125 million dollars in deferred Capital reinvestment. 94 out of her 137 playgrounds are beyond their lives and of 20 years that 70% we need to replace. Current capital funding averages about 5 to 8.5 million dollars annual. That's what we can put towards currently funding. Sources do not provide sufficient flexibility or capacity. How do we close that funding gap need to match it with sustainable funding funding challenges increase over time and full require additional funding sources and modifications to existing ones so that we can maintain alignment of implementation to available resources and capacity. So really a summary of where we are and how we got there. I want mention what we did in SEPTEMBER as far as the public outreach from this draft was released. We have a presentation of parks advisory board in SEPTEMBER 10th. And then we had 2 public events on the 10th and the 16th to U.S. Citizens to engage and ask questions. There was an online public review which included online survey from SEPTEMBER second to SEPTEMBER 22nd. And those responses were up 10 16 responses that we received 90 per 6% of them from residents of the city. And then they're allowed to comments. They get 540 comments. So what were the results of that survey? We heard that over 70st percent of the public felt the park system master plan reflects the community's needs and priorities nearly 70% felt that the park system master plan provides clear direction for future decisions and investments. And over 70% support the park system master plan as it is. We think that's a really good number. Citizens really are encouraged by this plan and wanted to move forward. Where are we going from here? We want to create that future together and it takes all of us leadership. A new city council. We need you to align policy funding. An annual investment decisions with our park system. Master plan. Pierre c department. We need to lead imitation of those first steps and party acts actions. Track that progress and communicate it. So that everyone can hear what we're doing and we need to adapt as conditions change because we know that they will. Need to bring our partners alongside of us. They bring resources, expertise, advocacy in collaboration. And we really it's for and appreciate those partners in our community. And then going to bring the community and to stay engaged, participate, volunteer and help us through the system as advocates for its future. To mention that the park's advisory board heard this on OCTOBER 8 and they did recommend approval with an 8 to one vote. Now on to give Steve Harris, our board chair a chance to make some comments from Parks advisory board. Good afternoon again. >> MADAM PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT Pro tem members of City Council. My name is Stephen Harrison. I serve as the chair of the Colorado Springs Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services Advisory Board. As you see here at our meeting on Thursday, the board voted 8 to one to recommend to you approval of the draft master plan. During public comment. We heard from many community groups that also enthusiastically supported the master plan and it was really inspiring to hear all these groups talk about the work that went into the plan, the vision it lays out and how this is really a turning point. We feel like for our park system, which is really a jewel of the city of Colorado Springs. There were a couple of issues that came up during the meeting. The first one was actually raised by Councilmember One Webber who was concerned that there was not enough focus on public safety in the master plan. And I'm sure he will speak to that. And I can tell you that the board was definitely in general agreement with that. There is an action item in the plan that there will be a park system safeties, strategic plan or something like that. And councilmember wine Weber pointed out that the survey showed that 51% of people who responded felt that the presence unhoused people was barrier to their use of the parks. And so that's definitely something we need to address through cross departmental cooperation. I know a lot of that's already ongoing, but we certainly agreed with that. That comment. And then secondly, there were some discussion about volunteerism. I know you have probably heard about this The department recently revised its protocols for how it interacts with volunteers and there has been little bit rocky at times. And so we had Corey's to tell of Medicine. Will trail advocates presented an amendment that he wanted to make to one of the goals in the master plan. We had a lot of back and forth about that and a lot of procedural confusion about motions and amendments to motions. But ultimately at the end of the day, we did to one to ask the Parks Department to add forwards into goal for. G 4 d so it would now read the words are encouraging empowering and supporting. And so that what we've asked is that that goal now read strategically invest in engaging, encouraging empowering and supporting volunteers as valued partners to bring knowledge skills, passion and time to connect the community and advance the mission of Parks, Recreation and cultural services through their work in program services, guest, experiences and stewardship. And I want to just address the one person who voted against or board member Mike Sullivan was supportive of the master plan. He did not like this amendment. I think he felt that the staff had done the work and that was we were kind of nitpicking probably to ask that these words be inserted. So it's not that he was not supportive of the plan. He just didn't think we needed to make this amendment. So you have that context. And again, all the people Korean, everyone who spoke on the plan, even when they had some direction, they wanted to see. They all said they We supported the plan. This master plan has been a long time coming. We've been working on it for over a year and a half. And this is not a plan that is intended to sit on a shelf. The backdrop for the planning process has been the ongoing funding challenges that the department has faced most notably since the Great Recession of 2008 to 2009. As I mentioned, I was involved with the Parks department prior to that and it's been. Discouraging to see how the level of funding has decreased. But I'm here to tell you today that there are a lot of stakeholders, including our parks advisory board. I know the Tops Working Committee feels very strongly and all these community groups and people use the park system are here and ready to help. So our message to you is that we want to work with you to get the word out about how important parks are to our quality of life. Here in Colorado Springs. For all the reasons that lot of mentions tourism, economic development, quality of life, Ecosystem services, recreation opportunities, health, mental health, all of these things benefit from having a quality park system. And we have a great park system. We have a great park staff, but it's a little bit in need of some tender, loving care. If you wish. So I hope that you'll take much comments and our board's recommendation seriously. We really want to be partners in making the case. So thank you very much. COUNCILMAN Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT, I want to thank you for being here. >> Steve, right? Yes, Steve, I have said. Quite a number of times. I think the work that the park's advisory board does is really critical. And we haven't heard much from the board over the 6 years that I've been on council. So you being here today for previous agenda item speaking to this, obviously very significant and important thing that will be voting on is very important. And I appreciate the time that you took to what that you take to to serve on the on the board to lead the board and to to come to us today, sir, I just really wanted to thank you. Thank you. The questions, if not Okay. All right. I'll still be here >> and that is all we are available for questions. Still you. Yeah, counts in Senate, but wants to the line okay. So thank you, There clearly is tremendous amount of work that has gone into this. And I, too, really excited. >> Want to highlight, you know, what really stands out to me that 65.0. 8 people. Basically said they're willing to pay for what they see that we need. And I think that's fantastic. The 52.2 million dollar figure of annualized funding gap. That's not a one-time funding gap. That is annual is really significant. And we need to pay attention to that as as a council. My my comments, right. And thank you. By the for bringing this to my house. Chilly so that I could read a hard copy over the weekend I don't usually like hard copies, but it's so beautiful in the pictures of beautiful. And it really helped me to go through it. So some of my other comments are a little bit in order, but on Page 8, there was comment about needing greater transparency. And then later on Page, 57, I found I'd ask the question I wrote on the question, what do they mean by greater transparency? But then I found on page 57, the last bullet under key findings, 2.6 public Stephen engagement. It says 66.2 of respondents preferred greater transparency regarding funding needs. Mean, its priorities and investment. So I would just love to understand more how you interpret that as the Parks department. Where do you see the gaps in transparency in think one of the pieces we have maybe not explained our story as transparently in the past. I'm not sure if you ask citizens, are we at a deficit? They would think that we are. >> think one of those pieces just being real honest with the numbers that we have and what we are unable to find or system to what we would like to fund it. I think that's important for the community just to hear because it's not that we're not putting efforts towards it. It's just that we're not getting this funding resources that can really elevate our system. Okay. Great. Glad to hear. That's your interpretation. Wasn't quite sure. But I completely concur. I don't think we've been transparent enough as a city. >> Across the board about some of our needs and in our various departments and certainly in in park. So here's an opportunity for us to correct that. And to start educating the public >> on page 27 very specifically and maybe I'm getting a little bit into the weeds. So my apologies. But >> I love to see. Prcs system at a glance and there's a list of, you know, from one too 4 million, which is kind of fun. And I realize you can't put everything in there, but there was a big MISS For me. And that was the senior center. It's not in the community centers. It's not counted in the community centers. I don't believe. Unless I MISS Counting or community centers. >> yeah. We might have to double check putting it back to you. But I know we have data that support all of these numbers. If you can definitely get you just you a check that and maybe if it's if the numbers have it in there, you could call it out because I think we need more senior centers, but we have an incredible one. And I think it's worth calling out for that population. I just would like to see you do that. >> And then the other kind of amenity, if you will, that i think is really unique to our city and, you know, we heard earlier from Sportscore and it speaks to cycling. But we have a velodrome in our city and I think it's worth highlighting that we have a So this might be kind of an easy place to pop that in possibly. So those were just 2 things that for me and I get you can't put everything down here. If you started getting input from everybody, you'd to nothing. But hundreds of my pages numbers so on Page a I think as pitch. 56. My question was actually about the peer cities. And I found this a really, really useful chart. And I I actually need to spend more time with it. Understanding it. But one of the things I was curious about and it goes to my final comment that is has to do with funding. But do you have and not? I'm not necessarily suggesting you put it in the plan, though. It could be interesting to add it. Do you also have the funding comparisons? >> To be honest with you, we did start that way. We have the funding comparison in here and what I struggled with was apples to apples. I mean comparison. And it becomes really, really difficult to tell the story between different cities because we are so unique resources and what we have. But I ended up taking a piece out of portion of the plan we can I think have some data that we can give you for that. It just wasn't, I guess, as closely compared to the other ones. I wanted be okay to make it a real good comparison. But I I hear what you're getting at. >> Okay. Well, that that lead to nicely then into my really my at at this point until other council members weigh in and maybe its first more thinking. >> My final thought and it it it really is in you know how we move forward. Around funding and and clearly and in that, by the way. Thank you, Steve. For the letter from Parks, the last sentence in the letter to City Council from the Parks board is we respectfully ask City Council to approve the 2026 parks system master plan and just as importantly, to support the work that follows making sustainable. He rcs funding a priority, working collaboratively to secure this future of our city's parks and recreation system. What is clear, you've done an incredible job of making the case for the funding. I don't need to harp on that anymore. But what is missing for me and it was in your slide. But it it's not in the plan is an actual naming of city council and the mayor because it takes these 2 entities to really move forward. The funding conversation. You can't do it without us. I know. That's why you're here. But I would suggest one place to potentially put that in writing is on Page 90 and are number one at the very end. You have resources needed and its financial analysis and modeling asset replacement to and then prc, leadership and city finance, collaboration. Yeah, those are important. But that might be a good place to say City council and the mayor. When 100% agree with you and can definitely make that addition. >> Okay. Thank you. That's all I've got for things comes mind. Weber. I'm pretty excited about the plan. >> I think you've done a really good job of really pulling together a lot of the central elements it tells a really positive story, but also very kind of dark story. I think when the first priority is trying to establish say double funding. That is clearly. We've got Dana fisa sable funding. I think really need to kind of look at how do we take our park seriously. And and I know our residents to I 80%, that it's kind of what it is. And so Emily is going slide for me and when I take what you've written here and then actually look at the budget that we're reviewing. >> I notice something that was kind of a problem. It happens to the capital improvements and and if you could throw that up for me? This graph when I first saw it in our budget, kind of concern me. And this is 2027 general capital improvement projects and the shows where the city's investing in its future. And I just want to highlight. That. We're looking at. $25,000 or point 2% of our capital improvement projects. But has been highlighted by our city that we should invest in. To be fair. There is a segment that $500,000 that's going to be dedicated to him resurfacing the Wilson Ranch project. So let's make that number 525,000. That's still only 4%. That's >> that's a crazy number that we look at our total investment. The city we clearly are not prioritizing parts. In terms of capital improvement. I mean, that's sliver of the line. You can almost like. You could MISS It. It's so small and that one percent. Basically covers about one percent of one year's need. And at this level, closing a single year's gala will take 99 years. To guys hear that to close a single years need. According to this capital funding projects will take 99 years. Yeah. Our other communities looking at one source that we go to it I've mentioned before is the trails trust for public land study? If we could flip to that? So in that. I had brought up ranking 100 cities. We're ranked we were ranked 52nd. Now we're 66. We went down 14 places. The amount of land that we have was pretty much flat. >> The amount of walking 10 minutes to walk in there number actually, 77%. I think what the different speed, their numbers. Your number is your numbers tied to property. >> I believe. And their numbers tied to population. >> I would also add that I don't believe included our Metro District Parks and we have 50 metro district percent. We've included. I would agree, but they didn't include them in 2025. I don't believe that they did. Right. So sir, I so they're out of both. Right. So the change wouldn't of change because they didn't include him in 2025. Or 2026. Yes. I thought you're comparing 2 are a number of 92%. Yes, interesting. Yeah. And I think the 90 right, 90%, there's probably an element about also. So in the So our spending in 2025 was $118 per. >> Resident and it's going to go down in our current budget $212. So we're going to go down $6 per resident. But yet in the average, just the average of these 100 They were at $133 and they're actually going to go up $254. That's plus $21 and how we compare. I'm curious to see how our 2027 numbers trust Republicans. Look, because I'm not very hopeful. And I do believe in making note that metro districts are excluding both of these years. So we've got to find a way to kind of get after this. This budget issue. And the statement that you've kind of made of this 52.2 billion dollar gap. That's an annual peace If that's going to grow and grow and grow and I think if we really look at in 22,008 parks took a significant hit because we basically closed everything we have never really kind of brought that back. I was looking at. Apiece. Just on staffing alone. So since 2000, the general fund maintenance staffing, this decline from 85. This is on 98. So it has. The staffing. From the general fund maintenance staff and has declined from 85 to 28 full time equivalents. 85 positions to 28. That's crazy. And and so we haven't taken seriously about. How do we get back to the levels that we used to And I'm sure that we have found ways to be more efficient we were been forced to do that. But still that gap, there is no way officials can fill that gap. We've got to find a way to kind of lean into this because we're just not. We're not doing our citizens. Really a service. I'm just amazed. I was I was kind of looking. I mean, in our in our budget. You guys actually submitted. For capital improvement projects. You requested 3.5 million dollars roughly. No, no, no, that's It. Where am I looking at was the number we go. 4, million dollars. And yet we only got. 525,000. And then actually there's and health. There's actually another list in here that actually shows ones that were not considered and that if you total up. In our budget book. Is 310 million dollars of infrastructure. 310 million dollars. It's listed page by Page. In our budget book. I just think that there are places here. We're going to have to ask the question of how do we get this? Done? So one of my questions are one of my house is can we develop a 5 year Parks capital list? With funded and unfunded columns? Because actually. In our budget and we all noticed it when the budget was shared with us beyond 2027, all of parts is blanked out. There's not nothing in the five-year plan at all. Can we create a five-year plan? 100%? And I will say that the asset >> portion. We're already hired an asset supervisor. They have a GIs analyst and to them they've been working for about a year and the next test that they set them on was create the cip plan. So lets make sure that we have it when ready for budget next year. So we definitely are on that course. We understand how important it is and agree with you that we should be on the same track. >> So funding that's that is front and center. >> But not far behind funding. Is >> Really disturbing statistic that 51% of your survey. We're feeling safe in their parks. 52, that that's most of our residents Verily. But that is most of our residents and that's a national average is 12%. So were 3 times less safe than the national average. That's not good either. >> So I'm >> going to propose that we develop a strategic plan. >> And I'm looking to actually kind of call it safe and welcome mean Parks, strategic plan. And we look at how do we address this issue head on? I feel like we just keep kicking it down the road. And I think we need our parks need to be safe today. And from what I gathered in here, we were going to develop a plan, but not till 2030. That's not good enough for I think we need to develop it next week. >> Agreed to be definitely have it as one of our schools are sorry, actions within schools. And actually, I have my expense are consultant from Preston tilting online. He's working with Phoenix, Arizona, on their park system master plan at this very same time. And we had a conversation last week about some comparisons between the 2. And if you don't mind, I would love him to up, too, because I this out by giving you had that was going to bring this. >> Yes, I could let me get some degree. >> Council thanks. Much comes PRESIDENT. Thanks much for the Wanted to just kind of share with you to let you know that year. Not in the boat by yourself. We've completed recently master plans master plan for Clark County, Nevada, which is Vegas. Completing the parks master plan for Phoenix as we speak. And of course, I'm happy to be a part of this one. Parks Park's safety safety experiences in Parks has been the number one variable that we've seen with larger park systems. And I think a lot of folks have a tendency to want lean into the the homelessness issue. And yes, that is a prevalent issue. That is something that does come up in some parks, but it's not present every party. And so one of the things that we've taken a step back in terms thinking about safety is that it's fundamental to somebody getting a quality parks and rec experience, whether it is glass in a parking lot, whether it is a restroom that is shut down because it's been vandalized, whether it's graffiti, whether it's just trash. If any time we were to walk into if any walk of life, we would see that theirs. Perception of it. The experience potentially not being safe immediately kind of gets raised in your mind. And in my having to look over my shoulder when Tappin are the folks still here? Whatever that situation might be. And it kind of it then has a tendency to lean into the fact that. Parks maintenance is fundamentally critical to providing parks, park experiences day in and day out week in and week out, month in and month out. We tend to think about safety through the lens of law enforcement and yes, they're absolutely 100% critical. But we have to take a more proactive approach. Sometimes we lean into park rangers. Sometimes we say park recreation programs, our safe havens for kids for after-school programs, camps and so on and so forth. In the end, they are, however, we have to continue to recognize that if the as you're hearing from your community and we see across the country. If we can't provide fundamentally a safe experience, all the other things that we try to to kind of come secondary, we just are never going to be able to get there. And so it just is something that we have are starting to approach. The safety issue is being a barrier to people using parks or a barrier to using parks more often as the system outcome. You have to combine parks. We have to combine Rangers. We have to recognize that recreation programs provide safe havens for kids recognize that it's not just reactive, responsive approach. So funding of park maintenance to be more responsive to be more visible to being more places any given time is a It is a good starting point to starting to overcome some of the nuances that I sometimes don't think we connect the dots when it comes to park maintenance public perceptions of safety. >> Well, thank you for that, because I mean, you basically support. My What I'm gonna launched into because we've got a lot of these issues and we have been but I don't I don't think we've really looked at it and a strategic plan that measures outcomes and really put together something that can really fit. You know, when we look at last year, we removed 1600 camps. We now have 11 rangers covering over 13,000 acres my question is public safety always be first. And so when we look at, you know, Page 11, your first steps. I'm this my next I ask is that you you place public safety in that list. It's needs to be. It needs to be on that list. I'm also recommending that we have had some good results in a clean and safe program downtown. And one of the key aspects football, actually 2 key aspects. One is the first one is that there's a point person. There's guy in charge fact that red dead is doing an amazing job and his heart and souls into it. And there's one person in charge, you know, and because of that, well, he's just focused on it. And you can tell that he's he's got his whole heart and soul into it. We need to find that person and we need to develop that position. And I think we need to kind of work that into our budget in some shape or form that we hire someone that takes out on and what his guiding principle is is a strategic plan to address homelessness. And so he he has developed street plan and he alters it all the time. I me ship changes. You know, this work that's didn't work whatever and moves forward. We need to develop kind of a model. >> That looks at that now is will be the same because downtown is very different than parks in parts of spread out around the city. And I do feel like, you know, some of the comments that COUNCILMAN Donald so has suggested is why don't we have a program that addresses more of a citywide approach? Well, it's going to have to look at that right? But that's why I think you need this point person. I think it's a position again, if we are going to address public safety as top priority. We need to invest in someone that is developing a strategic plan by the middle of next year. That's what I was in 6 months. Let's let's have it. I mean, there should be any waiting on public safety. I don't want to wait till 2030. Because you have actually page 80, you actually have develop a coordinated park system. Safety strategy. And you say to address different things like design lighting crossing such a, but you actually don't mention homelessness in the statement. And I think I think I think you probably should work the fact that to address homelessness should be and that we don't want. Skirting around the issue. We want to get right right. To what it is and we need to find better solutions. I think. What the downtown Clean Safe program has done is really look at that. Now. They have fixed everything. We still most people downtown, but I clearly think it's a safer environment than it was when that before that program started. And I think there's some been some really positive results. That's kind of other big ask. The other one. And guess getting back understanding the funding piece is there's other parts has ability find funding from a lot of different resources. You know, I want to take a moment just to highlight that why the Hill has and amazing. Contributor to Parks and certainly garden the gods is we have we also thank her every day for that right? Because it's one of our greatest resources. You know, she has the Garden the Gods Foundation. I want to understand a little bit that park is free and that's when the requirements that is put on part is that we have to keep that park free. From what I understand, although we're trying to find creative ways around that. But anyway, the park will be free because of that. She has her foundation actually pays for a lot facility work maintenance and that kind of stuff, but not everything. Does she not pay for? >> Actually phone a friend on this that Skyler comeuppance fixed address. That question for >> Skyler about Richard Parks, recreation and cultural services for the city of Colorado Springs. Question was, what doesn't the foundation pay for? Foundation primarily sets forward a strategic plan to help certain initiatives within garden, the Gods Park as well as equipment supplies. But one thing's does not fund his positions. That's kind of the I would say the line that they want to see more support and resources from the city budgeto support positions. >> How much? How much to know? Believe they put $846,000 in for the 2027 budget year. That's what they've approved to support within garden. The Gods Park. >> And what do you think the economic impact to our sales tax is for all the tourists that come because of guarding the gods. Have you ever looked out ever separate that out? We do have a 22,022 study. I'm going to have to dig into that to give you better numbers. But overall, I believe our impact as well. Over 10 million dollars to the community. >> For sales tax and the majority that probably comes from garden of the gods because we have 4 plus million visitors through that park. Lot of economic impact. And that's just one piece that's just sales tax. That's not figuring in. The large tax impacts. That's not figuring in the properties in that area. Believe also a lot of the conservation efforts that we put forward and there that contribute to the storm water and that location deals, mitigation that we put in. But I can go on. But at very, very I think impactful. >> I think that's a big part of what defines our city, Israeli tourism and how we really grow and develop that piece because we. Can. We put more people into guard of the gods will turn numbers now. >> So a little over a belief or million that come through annually. So what does 5 million look like? Million looks like. It's a weird at the point where we need to take a look at capacity, especially during high visitation news. And that's something that we've been talking to the Garden, the Gods Visitor Center staff and the foundation team there about what is or carrying capacity. And it's not just necessarily at garden the gods. Several of our resources we have over 600,000 that come through North Saint Canyon. Half a million almost that come through Pikes, Peak Highway over a million to the summit of Pikes Peak. So we're really trying to figure out different ways. We can disperse that recreation responsibly. But that's something that we need to take a longer look out. >> So we probably should develop like a tourism strategic plan. Kind of look at the larger scale of how do we? How do we provide? Point number 3, how do we create exceptional experiences for the people to come and visit our community? That's what we really kind of need to look at because we've got part of the gods, which is great. But the reality is. I'm not sure we can squeeze and 5 million people. So the growth of you know, it's not going to be there and the and the quality of the experience is going to be diminished as week. If we add another million people to guard the gods, it's not going to be the same quality. So we have to come up with another other infrastructure, other projects within our community that allow for tourism to continue to grow and develop because we rely so much on that, which is a 10, 10 million dollars and 10 plus million. That's a big number. So we have to figure out and be in all the other kind of relies on it. So I think that's kind I think that's really, really kind of key. Anyway. Thank you for I just want to restate that. I think that's kind of. For the last thing guess didn't want to touch on this and I know that. I know that when you when you when you have a neighbor. You know that you share a common fence lists. You got to like make friends with right because if you have a bad relationship, it's kind of doesn't work. You know. And so when you have this neighbor, you're sharing that common You got to get along with your neighbor and you kind of work towards that. Our number one our largest neighbor by far without even question like it's like mind boggling. How big this neighbor is. The U.S. Forest Service. I mean, I mean, I I didn't really like >> or knew about this, but I would like curious how many miles of border do we actually share with the U.S. Forest Service? I it's a lot of miles. I mean, lot of miles. It's like it seems like we keep running into roadblocks with that neighbor. It's like we want to change the fence design or do this or do that. And it's it's difficult. We need to develop a strategic plan. I think of some sort with the forest service and really work on that because sometimes as we look to develop trails, if we could only use a little piece of that Forest Service land. It would be so much more cost efficient. It would add so much to the community benefit. But yet because of bureaucracy, we can't get there. Is that an accurate statement? >> I would say have encouraged within the last couple of years with some of our discussions with United States Forest Service, especially the Pikes Peak Ranger District that they're open and receptive to some bigger picture thinking as well as being able to work with the local land managers and in establishing new recreation opportunities in the Pikes Peak, massive witch. He's a big part of our community. So I'm hopeful that that is moving in a real positive direction. So >> who actually helped bring that group together just selfish plug. >> Well, I can't speak to history beyond about 4 and a half years. But prior to that, I know that we've had regular meetings with Cara Springs Utilities, United States Forest Service, the city of Cars Springs has Carter Parks and Wildlife, both El Paso County Teller County. City of Manitou Springs. But Pikes Peak outdoors has been very involved and bringing the different land managers together and Teller Fremont Pasco County. And that's been advantageous to develop 30 key strategic efforts plans projects to come together prioritize. >> Pikes, Peak outdoors develop the outdoor Pikes Peak initiative. And that's kind of set a framework for the 3 county systems to Pikes. Peak Outdoor is the regional partner. Represent that represents this region for the state and a lot of funding is brought is going to be coming through that plan and they sent series of goals and one of those goals was, you know, how do we take on management? How do we work better together partnerships and stuff like that. And so that's what they've been kind of driving for. I do think we have a better relationship and I think it's improved. But I think we still need to keep pushing that little bit. Blodgett Peak is case in point is like my favorite target. You know, we we've developed a whole lot open space. But the last mile is what is on whose property? United States forces and how much of that trail were we able to develop? Right. So now it's just a free for all to get to the top of the mountain. There's no design trail. It's something that we need to be working on. The kind of do better, I think for our entire community. So. I want to just close by just saying that. I really want to see a safety strategic plan in the first steps. Safety should be prioritized. I also want to see a five-year capitalist. Funding in dates. I'd like to a strategic plan around working with our number-one partners for service. Like what can we actually start working on and how do we bring in some of our other partners like Congressman Crank and others and to cover really just weigh in on this so that we can, you know, really work to deliver a better product and and then also a clear designation classification of of what what is tourism oriented and what is neighborhood Park oriented so that when we get down the road, we look for investment and tourism that you guys are in the conversation and it's been identified right? So anyway, I think that's all my questions. Thank you for your time. And I will be kind of pushing this and work as we go into this budget process. We're going to be working on a number of these issues. So you've got a long list you've definitely proving your case. Because of this good work that your staff did. This gives us what we need to go into budget and say, hey, things got to change. And we've got to figure it out. We got a problem here. And so thank you very much. >> COUNCILMAN I know you had a really quick question. You might as well ask >> Well, okay. So super quick and it just has to do with the plan of how we're going to start working on funding. And at what point is it doesn't make sense to start whether it's the PRESIDENT's commission or something for this body to work collaboratively with parks with the mayor's office to look at starting to address how we're going to be funding. I know you have year Wheel of Fortune and I know that's that's in the works. But but part of this is going to be at some point going to the voters. So my question simply is if you have a quick answer, we can talk about it more later. But I just want to state we have to start working on that now. I've got 2 more years on council to an app for years and by the at thank you. And phase one is setting us up for success. I want to do that before I leave Council. That's all I got. >> Yeah, quick response to that is our next stage. We're going to be kicking off in 2027. We have a current rfp. That's going to be out 4 proposals here very soon. And we're going to roll out the opportunity to come alongside, hopefully trust for public land to come in as that neutral 3rd party. That's a trusted partner throughout the United States in. Developing what that public opinion is as well as community communication, advocacy, education of our community. So that's going to be one part of it. And then the other part of it is really developing that strategic framework to how we can become financially sustainable. >> We do have APRIL 27, our elections and it's an election year for municipalities. It's good time to also interject this into that conversation. Thanks. >> COUNCILMAN Williams. Thank I don't know if it's second term 3rd at this point, but I think safety is paramount. That's what iris what's going through my head when you started, you know, over 100 years ago. >> With the plan on how we're going to get think. >> That's that's the foundation. And done that. >> The great work too. Mask was the system and everything that goes with it. But really having answer people, she'll safe to enter act and the nature that we have of the nature that we've acquired us. He's number one the long lines of what council Miami percent. Not that looks like, but I think it means to really up front close to the top. >> It will be close to the top. And I think to our consultants, you know, Mike's, that's when spoke earlier with pros consulting. There's a maintenance component there that we need to be able to maintain it. And I think there's a lot of perception right of safety within. My sense of safety versus another person since the safeties. I think that's going to be definitely a priority for us. >> Okay. All right. Thank you so much. >> Due to a scheduling conflict, we thought we'd be done earlier. But there is a covid pro Tem Risley and I have to be on. It will just take about 20 minutes. So we're gonna actually recess until 2.35. Not going to get >> Good afternoon. We are back in session. Moving on to item 8, 8, Will the clerk please read item 8, 8, Into the record. >> And up to Don their proposed resolution. The city of Colorado Springs approving a service land for the banning Lewis Ranch Metropolitan District. Number 5, serving in the area of Approx banner to 9 acres generally located southwest of the intersection of Dublin Boulevard and banning Lewis Ranch Parkway. >> Good afternoon, Allison. It's been a long day for you. Good afternoon. It's weird. Saying afternoon used to saying morning. So good afternoon council. Today we're going to talk about the banning Lewis ranch. Number 5 Metropolitan district and some proposals. We have to kind of change how that district Acso with this presentation. Today I'm gonna start by giving a quick overview of kind of some of the facts and figures about what request us about. Kevin is available with some kind of follow. Up next steps, discussions. We also have the applicants in the audience here. In case you have any specific questions for them. And going get started. So this is kind of an unusual request today. So which is kind of why we're going through different format than usual. But essentially what we're looking at is Metro District 5 is up our consolidated service plan with number of other metropolitan districts. So they are all regulated by one service plan. >> But they are all. >> To find metropolitan districts. The request that we are hearing today is to remove court dmx, if you will. The Metro District 5 from the consolidated service plan to have an independent service plan and kind of just act as a single metropolitan district outside of the broader banning Lewis Ranch. Facilities and services. So as I mentioned, Metro District 5 contains about 129 acres. It is southeast or southwest of the intersection of Dublin and Manning was Ranch Parkway. This is a new intersection of paintings contains the retreat, which is a 55 plus community full of single-family detached attached. And independent amenities and services that are distinct and separate from the rest ending ranch. So this is a gated community that is only used occupied by those who are above 55 years old. So on the screen here, you can kind of see the district outlined here in Blue. And this is in Van Up, Sorry, Council district 6. We haven't been ranch. The area is still around. It is still developing. But the majority, if not entirety of the district is already built out. So just completely entitled at So with the proposal to create independent service plan, the applicants are requesting to limit the total debt issuance to death. That has already been. Issued. So that includes series 2018 bonds will go for those in another slide. But that total is just under 10 Million. The prior service plan limit the districts to about 100 Million. So far lower than what was previously undisputed and would be not. It would not be allowed to go beyond what was currently The district contains, like I said, single-family attached and detached units as well as the clubhouse other amenity spaces. I understand a very nice pool and other kind of services such as snow removal, trash service, things like that. The service plan that has been proposed to will still stick with the model service limitations of 50 mills for debt service. And 24 operations and maintenance. So because this is kind of an unusual request to remove a district from unconsolidated service plan. We had to kind of look at what parameters be had for reviewing this can request. There is no defined process for kind of evaluating and you know, going through an approval process for this kind of action. So we had to kind of work with the city attorney's office as well as the applicants themselves to kind of identify what is appropriate path forward that So we did look very closely not only out their service plan to make sure that con talk on security of services, arming teamed that the debt would still be able to paid off in a responsible manner. And just making sure that there were not any noticeable gaps that could arise by taking this district out of the consolidated plan. So in terms of existing debt, the bond issuances that have completed for the property as of today, we have a series 2018, a limited tax general obligation, bond just under 7 million and a subordinate, limited tax general obligation, bonds for just over a million and a junior Lien limited tax general obligation, bond for about 2 million I don't believe any debt has been p down just yet on any of these, but no new debt would be issued. The Metropolitan District that kind of controls all of the banning Lewis ranch districts under consulted service plan, Metro District 2 for one. They have issued a letter of support as well as I was updated that the speak. They did come to a consensus on the separation agreement with the applicant to move forward with this kind separation, if you will. But they are very much aware of the request that is being need by Metro District. 5, they're supportive and they have done their own due diligence on their side of things to make sure that. The separation of district 5 from the consolidated service plan will not cause any issues. Service complications but debt repayments, things like that. Additionally, we did receive a pond opinion letter just kind of speaking to Metro District Five's ability repay to the debt and the fact that the debt that is held by district is kind of separate and distinct from the rest of that debt that is held by the other districts in the Console Reserve's plan. So by removing Metra district 5. We're not seeing kind of a complication of who knows what, because sets up were kept separate from the beginning. And additionally, of course, like any other Metropolitan district, the city wouldn't have any liability for any of these stats. It would still be up on the district to repay So with the separation of the districts, we did check to make sure with us. French number 5 would still have the same ability to offer services that they were previously inclined to have on site. So on screen you'll see Exhibit e which is just identifying all the services and amenities that were previously part of their scope of work just being continued into this new plan. They did include number 8 services operates and its special service act is able to be carried out by the district. So that just kind of is a blanket statement, making sure Metro District 5 would have the ability to continue anything that they have previously promise to to their residents. Just one Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT Allison, not the first line here says description of services that main maintenance of the private roads, perimeter, fencing, entrance gates and so forth are. >> Are covered, but not. And it isn't required. >> But the the >> the Standard letter, the letter talks about the standard language is that the parks and trails are open to the public. So how's that manage given that this is a gated community? How does the public access the parks in this area? Gotcha? >> That might be a question I might need defer to our applicant just case. >> So in the planet has just for the applicant's awareness. It has standard language that parks and trails are open to public free of charge. But if it's a gated community, I don't know how the public access is that if you could explain that, that be helpful. >> Do you want to address that now? You want me to come back to that. Whenever fry vote on it >> it it doesn't have to happen right now. Absolutely. I think toward the end of my condo Nelson. Yeah. Thank you. >> And also when I asked us if you'd like to hold an answer at the end, that's fine. >> But, >> you know, on on page one of our packages under the background, it points out this is an age restricted. Just these are age restricted units. 55 and older. >> And it says that. >> The district's board felt that creation of a stand-alone service plan would allow them to better utilize the mill levies taken in by this district and provide amenities and services more appropriate to their unique population. So far. I don't think well so far. I don't think I've heard. >> Heard anything that would be unique. Your house can address their unique population. So >> maybe at the end you can address that or maybe someone else can can okay or if I missed it. Go ahead and point out like what I MISS. You reset? >> Absolutely. I think that that would be more appropriate for the applicant team to discuss. Okay. And then be on the description of services being provided the attachments that were part of this package today were the draft service plan and just to f# Haitian statement that speaks more to kind of the intent of the separation letters of support from district. One that I kind of highlighted on slide a couple couple minutes ago. The body bond pending a letter. The budget from 2025. >> As well as the draft resolution and the current service COUNCILMAN Casey. >> Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT, most questions maybe for the applicant as well. But I think you answered quite a few of them already. So the mill Levy is the military changing at all from what currently is. Combined service plant or does under? Proposed Metro District. 5? >> I don't believe but I can triple check. Protests. Well, that's a question. From. So one wants speak to that. Please go to podium. Numbers yourself. >> My name is Joy Blom and the Treasure of md 5 Board of directors. Thank you for allowing us to come here. MADAM PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT Pro Tem and City Council members. The question was, well, our mill levies change. We are complying with the standards City's standard single service plan. So our operating mill Levy will actually go down. A little bit. We have been under the 2008 formula. The consolidated service plan was approved in JANUARY 2008 and that some 11 we've been using. It's a slightly different formula under the 2022 plan from the city. So our operating Mill Levy will go down and the impact of that is about $60,000 annually, less taxes for our residents. We can absorb that easily because we do a very conservative budgeting process and allow for contingencies. So that is not an issue for us. Anything else on 11 is that also the norm and deliveries are subject to voter approvals or do the electors of Metro District 5 then have to approve? This is just going on the ballot for much of this year. 5. >> It will not go on the ballot, but how we compute >> That changed the service plan. And you know, you're going to be separate and service plan from underneath that it ranch. But that district one do your own. Is that subject to voter approval and it is not. And you have missile mention the grid separation agreement, them with Metro District. One, we will not have an ig with. >> Metro District one, we have formed separation agreement that outlines everything we will too and what they will no longer do. We finalize that last week. It will be scientists in as a city council approves Metro District 5 p to separate district. >> So you'll have any further. There's no further money transfer or commercial services. Well, in part of a separation agreement, we have agreed to. >> What was so part of an French and we still want banning Lewis ranch to continue as a viable, a beautiful neighborhood. And we are going to make annual payments to Metro District. One in support of the Metro Park said existing banning Lewis Ranch, which is Vista Park, is the name largest park. But there's other other smaller parks in the neighborhood that we all have access to. So we will be making I know payments. We've come to an agreed amount for that. >> Okay. I'm just maybe it's worth a question for city. But you know, we so we don't have a process for this, normally changes of this magnitude to a Metro district normally go to the voters of electors of the Metro district. So I'm just curious why this would not going you know, how do we know the road? You know, the homeowners residents there want to do this. >> Well, we have been working on this for almost a year. We have discuss this and numerous Boardman meetings. Many finance committee meetings. We have a monthly newsletter. We have about 125 residents that come to each board meeting. We've been very transparent. It's very advantageous for us to make this move and the residents are very happy about that. One of the main goals is that we will have control of our funds and be able to hire our own vendors and provider on services which were not able to do it this time. >> Because those services are coming from Metro District. >> this one script only 585 homes right now. Banning Lewis Ranch has approximately 4300 homes have been at 5,000 homes to this. Neighborhood. When once that is done will be about 6% of the homes. We have our own facilities. We have our own amenities that we must pay for. In addition, we are responsible for our own roads which the other banning Lewis districts are not responsible for their streets. >> Okay. So you're that correct? >> Yes, so it's very important that we're able to build reservesnd have reserves available to maintain our facilities in our roads. And that's one of the significant reasons we're making this change. Thank you. Any other questions, COUNCILMAN Hinge him. >> You paying into district one to cover a park. That's maybe more of neighborhood park. But you also mentioned it sounded like there's Parkland in New York gated community. Is that. >> You don't really have Parkland in a gated community. We have recreation center. >> That has a pool. >> areas for the community to participate in game days and different activities. We have a trail that is used by all the residents of banning Lewis Ranch. Plus. >> Residents outside of banning Lewis ranch that is outside the gated community. The trail that goes from Dublin Boulevard all the way to start Stetson Hills Boulevard. That is outside of our gate. >> So in this might be a question more for Allison or or Kevin? I'm not sure. But technically then there are no assets inside your gated community that fall under the standard language that would cover what's accessible to the public. >> I would just I would agree with that. Is that accurate from the city side as well? >> I would just add that there does appear to be a trail that is outside of the gated community. But it is still part of the Metro district per our maps. >> It an artist outside outside the gates. >> It's used heavily by other residents of and Perfect. >> So going back then to the mill Levy. I just the cover letter frames that there are really no changes. But the plan does look like the operating cap. You said you're going down but it looks to me like it's going up from 10 mills in the 2008 limit to 20. >> Now that live with 20 that we have and our 2008. >> Your 20, your 20? 0, 8 was 20 mills and you're going down to 10. >> No, no. I'm maximum 20 to the 2008. All person who okay but armed on the mills. The formula we use, okay, levees changing. Okay. What you speak to that. >> I'm Chief Jamieson. I'm the Finance Committee co-chair. It's just that the formula changes. It starts out with the 2008 formula at 20,000 and changes since 2008, the new one starts out at 20 mills and changes from 2022. That difference is causing a reduction of about 60,000 in operating budget. It's not going to change anything for our debt because our debt is still going to be on the old. Peel formulas with in the 50's Mills. Okay. >> I have and I'm not going to ask them now. I'll send them to the planning department and they can share with you. I have a number of other. Okay, more detailed questions that I'm sure we can get answered before the vote what I as long as you're here, though, what I I really want to emphasize what I think I've heard from you. And this is a citizen run board. You. You all controlled the board that. You have. You voted as a board and your residents are fully aware of the changes that you're requesting and you have majority support. That's I think that's the main thing that matters the most. I'll ask my other questions. I'll put those in writing to the planning department and they can share this with you. And again, I would suspect this probably shouldn't go on consent because I would like in less, at least for me unless those questions are answered by email before MAY or MAY not need to happen in public session. Thanks. >> MADAM PRESIDENT coming Walker plane director, I just want I give you quick outline as to what process going forward is. This was a unique situation. The uniqueness was not so much removing the district from a consolidated service plan as it was removing a district that had existing debt. With 2, the how outside of that service plan and the concern was on our part was that. Changes that they were initially proposing. We're restricting the number. We're restricting the services that were being provided by the district behind where they were today. Didn't want to put the city in the position of restricting services that a bondholder might come back and say we have a problem with that later. And so what we? What we find we came to was if you would go with the current service plan model that we have that we adopted in 2022. That that would alleviate the concerns. Plus, we also have a bond opinion that says that the city isn't going to be responsible for any. Debt payment. And so we have that for their protection. For the city to make sure that we don't end up by changing all of this. Inadvertently creating some sort of problem. What we didn't do, though, was come up with the right hand even come up with the answer to the question of how is it removed from? The one through 5 of the one through 6 district that's already in existence. It's been done in the past already. Don't know how they did by our council. Feels like we should have another step where the the existing districts agree to the removal of this district from the consolidated service plan. They've already agreed to remove themselves from the and remove themselves from taxation and all of those other cars, other responsibilities. All of those things are all taken care of. But the technical act of actually removing it from the consolidated service plan. It's the thing that we need to work on and figure out exactly how we should do that. There's been several options presented in the last week since we identified that as an issue, don't know what what the exact right answer is. It MAY not even require council's action, but we'll work on that with our attorneys and their attorneys and try to figure out the right answer for that. So having said that, like to keep them on the agenda our next meeting with the expectation that we have to have an answer for that. If we don't, we'll pull it off the agenda. >> COUNCILMAN Casey. >> Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT Kevin just so what might a bird flying horse? We had separation between them, the master in to child to Metro district. Same thing trolls Wolfsburg person person doing it. One saying negotiations agreement, you're going to separation agreement. But was it a was put before the voters to approve that? And so that's why I was asking the question because see this before same person advisement same cause, same kind of thing separate completely separate, although mistress ahead of other homeowner run better districts. And again, it was put to a vote to do that so that that's why I asked that question. Why would this be any different than that? >> Yeah, I don't have the technical answer for that. I have to go back and take a look at at that. It hasn't been brought up by any of the attorneys that we need a vote for that. But I will double check that part. Thank you. >> Kenton Rainey. >> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT and Kevin, to your comment, for clarity for the record, when you mention the service low, the service level plan adopted in 2022. And based on the structure, dad was agreed upon the city should not be taken on any liability with this. Is that accurate statement? Yes, that is an accurate statement that that was the motivating factor between all the changes were made. >> For the several months that we worked that and I have to compliment the board come and everyone associated with that so far we've had great cooperation. They've listened to my concerns and responded quickly. And think we've got the right answer now thank you. >> Tell you got. Okay. This will not be on consent and I'll hold it on that meeting in less. We hear different. >> Moving on to item 9 prison if I could. Is there is there any additional information about? >> The unique characteristics the the unique population like the. Amenities, district will provide amenities and services more appropriate to their unique population. So is it not that it's a 55 and up community? It's really that it's a gated community. And therefore, there's some different services that they would need. Is that accurate? >> I think that that is mostly accurate. I think the fact that they have their independence services, their own clubhouse is a gated community, their own pools and things. But then also the fact they're having to go through all of the same contract. >> Jurors are a service providers that the rest of the ares using MAY not necessarily always be as appropriate or desired for this unique kind of residential product. I. >> So that makes sense to me direction towards 55 and over doesn't seem like it matters at all. It's just a gated side. >> Okay. Does over? 55, too. So. >> I would also add that the streets are private and most of the other ones, if not all of the rest and be or public. So that is another big factor And I come >> Sure, yes, if I could. MADAM PRESIDENT. I would like the lady from the back to she had something to say about the over either one who ever. >> One of the things is that we're federally mandated and I don't have I don't do things without my notes anymore, everybody. So but we are federal mandate. We have to every 2 years. We have to verify that we have our population has a certain percentage over the 55 when somebody buys in it has to be. So all the services, cetera. So we look very carefully at the ad age appropriate because there are different things for the aging population. You have one senior center here and I think if you talk to your senior senator that you have here, they will say that that's different than a recreation center somewhere else. We have those same concerns. So I was very sad to hear that we only have one senior. So we are providing a service within the community. To our knowledge, I can't verify this, but we're the only community like this in all of Colorado Springs where there's homes and things the rest of are condos are transitional or whatever. These are. People actually have homes. This is a community. We look out for each other. We know we understand our aging. We there's a different. Perspective that you have as you as your age 8. And so we bring that to that. And we hope to become the tool and we hope create some other. We've been talking to rainy about, you know, being a jewel in being a model so that there's another community here so that those of us who want to stay within the community and being near our friends and family can still remain active and that move into a more traditional aging community. >> Okay. Might see you for any openings that you have withdrawn. >> COUNCILMAN Casey. >> Thank Present get just one last question are just one less clarification. So your community that is a combined basically don't have an H.O.A. Your Metro district functions and they join Metra. Kind of thing. And so you don't have the option of doing a special assessment and those sorts of things. So that's where creating your mill levy a certain level to build a fund reserves. I think someone reference there said is a difference to in the sort of model when you do when you you just can't do a special assessment and tax everybody essentially like could you have to be? You're still you're in You're in the middle of limitations for that. Want to clarify that. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you so much. We will see you in a few weeks. Next up, we have Councilmember reports an open discussion. Are there any councilmembers with reports COUNCILMAN Williams? Good afternoon. Just a couple. Community meetings upcoming. There will be a penrose water tank community meeting on Wednesday, OCTOBER 14th. >> There will be a Star Ranch pump station Open House on Thursday, OCTOBER 15th, I'm sure this MAY be a touch more than once probably tomorrow, but the state of the city is going to be on Friday, OCTOBER 16th again, thank you all for the thumbs up from Meadows Park. There will be a public meeting to bring not forward kind of where we've made it to OCTOBER, 20th 05:30pm, at the former Meadows Park Community Center. Not sit. >> COUNCILMAN Gold. >> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT. I will try to keep my remarks pretty short. I have a few things that I want to share earlier at the end SEPTEMBER, beginning of this month, I attended the hey neighbor, Community luncheon, Porter Park, Councilmember. And that was just really amazing to see the work that's being done in that neighborhood. And just how neighbor stitches together community residents one of the things that I've been really surprised by my time on council is how much our fall in love with outdoors, whether it's going camping or being on the trails and ride my bike. So I attended the Colorado outdoors. Industry leaders conference up in Keystone last week or the week before last was really insightful participated in most recent lower this morning at Garden of the Gods and it is quite a joy to be able to experience GOD and the gods got any vehicles. I also wanted to say something nor former city employee agenda, Franco who passed away on SEPTEMBER 19th. She was with the city very in the hr department and had to resign due to health reasons. And unfortunately, we lost really amazing community member on the 19th of SEPTEMBER champion for kindness and she's just a wonderful. She was a wonderful asset She's very missed. Speaking of medals Hart Park, I want to just publicly congratulate the solutions team, those specially that came from the neighborhood. I think Meadows Park, the closure was really tough. Sun. There was a lot of community members really leaned in the process and became part of the solution. And I'm just so impressed with them. Last is want to end with a few observances last week, close week without driving. And I felt no driving. >> But >> but it is a reminder to me that not everybody has the privilege and luxury of having a vehicle and how difficult it is to navigate our city without a vehicle and to have economic opportunity this week ends Hispanic Heritage Month and we have a sizable Hispanic population in our city this month is also Filipino American History Month. And we have a sizable Filipino population and last, but certainly not least today is indigenous People's Day. And I'm reading this wonderful book called The of Golden and the Man not Indigenous to America, but a quote that he says in the book is but always our land, our climate and the will of the people survive. And I just that was really fitting for today. And I would like to encourage everyone to go visit Colorado Springs Pioneers Museum to go see our permanent exhibit that honors our indigenous population until forever comes home. Thank you. COUNCILMAN Casey. >> Thank couple updates on SEPTEMBER Joining several of my fellow council members on Tora Pikes, Peak State College Medical Simulation Center in Council district. 2. We're we saw the state-of-the-art simulation rooms being used are equipped and prepare the next generation of hold science professionals. And it's really impressive that you haven't been up there and encourage him to do so. On OCTOBER 6, separate to spend the day long fire up. Some been hosted by local 5 members in Colorado Springs Fire Department. And I have the opportunity to learn firsthand about a wide range of fire operations from fire attacked a vehicle extrication procedures and tools to cpr a great some great discussions with firefighters. The station. >> I did. I did get my head that some its in my office. >> And on can't make it tomorrow. But OCTOBER 13 tomorrow, Memorial Hospital North, a groundbreaking is occurring for the expansion project, which is going to also in council district. 2 Sussex stories include a 6 story, inpatient tower that will add 50 beds initially increasing the capacity of from up to 190 beds with ability to grow to 320 in the future. Heading for new operating rooms of the first phase before for more in the future. And probably one of the most significant things if you've ever been there is a parking structure with certified parking stalls and o host of other changes to include expanding the emergency department in the laboratory. Thank you. >> COUNCILMAN Remy, thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT just wanted to highlight on the 25th SEPTEMBER myself and several. >> Council members attended the Medal of Valor Dinner, which is always a great event because we get to see and recognize those brave individuals that keep our city safe. So that was great. A great event there. Also want to take the opportunity to thank those individuals and Metro District hopefully soon to be 5 that invited me for coffee with veterans and now that is a recurring thing. And what a great opportunity for me to engage with other veterans to include individual who to toward Vietnam veteran. So to speak with those individuals, not just the veterans themselves, but their spouses. There were there and even some employees who are taking care of some of the veterans of you know, old age in the in the facility. So what a great opportunity. And I'm looking forward once again to participating with coffee with veterans. Also on 3rd of OCTOBER had the opportunity. What councilmember Ken Casey to do, the firehouse full gear event. See smiling down there. What phenomenal opportunity to gear up and actually go through several drills that our 5 members go through definitely eye-opening event definitely id. It enhances the understanding and the perspective what they go through on a day-to-day basis. We only did it for a couple hours and all that gear and was soaking wet. Talking about. Imagine when they're on a real scene of a real incident and they're out there for 5, 6, 7, hours. So continue to thank them for what they do. And I also want to give a shout out to airport. I was flying back. On the second of OCTOBER and as we were pulling into the Jet bridge, bunch of fire fighters pulling up. Also and evidently fire alarm went off inside the the airport in the entire airport had to be evacuated. So we sat there for several kind of waiting for things to be clear it out. And once we were able to clear airplane and going to the airport just to see the professionalism of the airport staff making sure that they were guiding everyone working with tsa and keeping things neat and orderly, bringing people back into the airport and also once again to see those professional firefighters making sure that they were taking care of everybody. So major shot out to the fire department, but also to the airport leadership and staff for doing the right things on behalf of all That's all I have. >> COUNCILMAN Hinton, thank My comment is really directed each of my fellow council members. And I don't know when I'm going to get this out tonight. But I obtained the transcript of the special hearing that we had to very long meeting that you all remember and have done some comparisons of that against the minutes. I've shared some Gap's, I think with our city clerk who is reviewing those and I want to make sure that what I think needs to be changed in the minutes. She's okay with. And it's a lot but not allies on a lot. But it's the work is significant and I will get that out before my head hits the pillow tonight. So please be on the lookout for that in your email maybe before too late. But certainly first thing you'll see it tomorrow morning and any questions you might have, you could reach me before the meeting or we can talk about it on the diocese. But I will be asking for changes to those minutes prior to our voting on that. And those, by the way, came to us on Friday at 4.27. So I didn't have the opportunity to get the transcript until today. It was provided to me very promptly as you can see, there's a lot going on. So I just want to give you a heads up about that. Thank you. COUNCILMAN. My number. >> So I just wanted to update everyone. Interesting situation. I received a about a month ago received ticket in the mail of me speeding. And I was told that I would be to pay $80 for that amount, which is more than what's allowed that's allowed. And and so I did go online and I want to make the payment. But what I made the payment, it said I only needed to pay $40 fly. I actually adjusted. And then I did receive a follow-up letter to confirm that I do not need to pay the dollars. And if I did that, I would get a refund. >> that they made problem that there was a problem with it. >> And that they are now adjusted. So. With the this is you know, the 2 vehicles, that speed camera in the is 11 miles over the speed limit. And I can't believe it. And was a 25 mile or so. And I didn't know is $25 buying one? We will give the details of that. But anyway, I want to report that the they are following up on reducing that And to firsthand point. The other thing I just wanted to kind of bring awareness to and just make it a little more public. Is that the Paso County, Public Health has officially ended its decade-long leadership of the community's youth suicide prevention program as part of their 2027 budget. That's pretty disappointing news that they have done also want to make a statement council no longer has representation on Castle Pub Public Health Board counsel and Allison used to serve on that board. And they chosen to this point, not reassigned. An appointment. And and so there is there is no current city representation on the public health board at this time. But it it's a definite concern of mine considering the the coroner's report showed suicides with teens has doubled this year. And I just concerned about what they were kind of considering looking Certainly mental health is a big problem for Pasco County has one of the highest numbers suicide rates and they have had that for decades. And perhaps are looking for better solutions. But I guess we would know because we don't have representation on board anymore. So anyway, I just wanted to make a point. That's that's all I've got right now. Thanks. >> COUNCILMAN Donaldson. >> What COUNCILMAN Line where says very true about public health. So the title of agenda item is council member reports and open discussion. And so under the open discussion part, I will just once again state that I believe we should move the date of our reconsideration of project Taurus to either a month later than what is currently scheduled to or before the ballots get mailed out. And that would reassure citizens that that date hasn't chosen right now. It's one week after the election in a lame duck period when council members who either don't run for reelection or actually are voted out, will be able to sit and vote on project Taurus Data Center. I think if we're concerned about civility, we shouldn't antagonize citizens by doing things like that. Then under my reports, I would too much to report on that. I could even cover so. One thing was was a great meeting of the Pleasant Valley. H.O.A. At to Rockledge Ranch is a pleasure speak with those citizens over there on Thursday, OCTOBER 8. So more recently there is a retirement of Colorado Springs Police Department Sergeant Ray Isaac, who had served us for 32 years. And his wife is still on on the force. So thank you to him for all of this service. I got to speak to 2 ap government classes at Coronado High School. It was a real pleasure talking to the high school students over there and kind of explaining what we do on on City Council when to Huntsville for for that visit out there, learn some things about what they are doing in Huntsville to kind of leverage. Strengths want biggest of which Redstone arsenal which is much more than I had imagined what i envision. They have a nasa center there on Redstone. They have a large fbi facility there on Redstone. It's very modern. It kind of had the vision of an army arsenal, but it's there's a lot more agencies than military there. It ended the state of speech or presentation by the chancellor actually definitely back from Huntsville. Was at Fort Carson. 4th multi domain task force. Activation out Carson couple few days ago. That's an interesting thing, too. It's a new kind of a combination of forces in army units and this 4th has nothing to do with 4th id. It's actually literally the 4th one of these. They've stood up in the Army, went on the urban water cycle tore which happened last Friday. So down the Midland trail and I got to see some csu infrastructure. Some wastewater infrastructure, our stormwater wastewater. Also couldn't help but notice the homeless on the trail. There was certainly marijuana was being smoked on the trail pipes were being smoked crack. I think. So. We clearly need to do more to control what happens on our trails in the city. But overall, I highly recommend that they do it every year. Believe the council woman been multiple times, that was the first time for me and met and got to speak to several other citizens groups over the last few weeks. So pretty busy over the last few weeks. Thank you. >> So that does wrap up our consumer reports and open discussion and we are now