2026-10-13 - Board of Directors (reconvened agenda meeting)

00:32Good afternoon. I want to call back to

00:34order our reconvene meeting uh for from

00:39October,

00:41I believe it was the 5th of last week.

00:44Um we'll now um have the second reading

00:49of the grouped items. Oh, before we do

00:51that, one second.

01:01I know here's

01:04recording and members of the board.

01:26Mr. Parliamentarian, you want to bring

01:27something to to light.

01:30>> Mayor, there's a U concern being

01:33expressed about the meeting being

01:34recorded. The official record of the

01:36meeting shows up in the minutes and also

01:39we do a video that shows up on YouTube

01:42now for that. It's not appropriate for

01:45somebody in the audience to be recording

01:47during our meetings. The reason for that

01:50is is that any record of a meeting needs

01:52to be what we have said the record is

01:54and not to get into any questions about

01:56that.

01:57>> So, what are you instructing, Mr.

01:58Parliamentary?

01:59>> I would say anybody out there recording,

02:02please turn your recorders off.

02:04>> Um, anyone who has a camera per the

02:09parliamentarian,

02:10please turn your cameras off.

02:13>> And recorders.

02:14>> And recorders. Is there a camera in the

02:17room?

02:19Did Did you hear what Just adhere to the

02:22parliamentarian?

02:24>> I'm a journalist.

02:26>> Adhere to the parliamentarian. Just

02:28please do that or we'll we'll make just

02:31to

02:45adhere to the we don't want to

02:48It's on YouTube, so please adhere to the

02:50parliamentarian. Everything's live right

02:52now.

03:01Members of the city board,

03:04uh we have a procla proclamation today

03:07acknowledging as um see director web

03:11come

03:16acknowledging central Arkansas pridefest

03:18week. As we know, uh, one of the reasons

03:21why city director Webb is here, um, she

03:24is, uh, history, uh, being the first

03:27being the first elected, uh, state

03:30legislative official, uh, being openly a

03:33open member of LGBTQIA.

03:36And so, let's give her a round of

03:37applause for her history. [applause]

03:41All right. Whereas Central Arkansas

03:44Pride has dedicated more than a decade

03:46to uplifting, supporting, and

03:48celebrating the LGBTQIA plus community

03:51throughout Central Arkansas, fostering a

03:54spirit of inclusion, visibility, and

03:56acceptance. And whereas each October

03:59during LGBTQIA

04:01plus History Month, Central Arkansas

04:03Pride hosts Pride Fest and related

04:06celebrations, including Coming Out Day

04:08and Pet Pride, bringing together

04:11thousands of residents and visitors to

04:13honor a authenticity, recognize the

04:16community's history and celebrate the

04:18power of pride. And Central Arkansas

04:20Pride Proudly presents the historic 14th

04:23annual Arkansas Pridefest Week, October

04:2514th through the 18th, 2026, featuring a

04:28week of cultural events, artistic

04:30performances, and community gatherings

04:32throughout downtown Little Rock and

04:34other culturally significant venues,

04:36showcasing artists and performers who

04:38contribute to the vibrancy and diversity

04:40of the celebration. And whereas this

04:43year's theme, united in pride, reflects

04:46the strength of a shared history,

04:48crossgenerational resilience, and

04:50solidarity in the pursuit of equality,

04:53reminding all that unity is essential to

04:55overcoming adversity and building a

04:57community where every person is treated

04:59with dignity and respect. And whereas

05:01the city of Little Rock recognizes and

05:03commends Central Arkansas Pride, Soma

05:05Pride, Little Rock Black Pride, and

05:07Pride organizations across Arkansas for

05:09their continued leadership and

05:10dedication to fostering a more

05:12inclusive, compassionate, and equitable

05:14community where love, identity, and

05:17belonging are all celebrated. Now,

05:19therefore, I, Frank Scott, Junior, mayor

05:21of the city of Little Rock, Arkansas, do

05:22hereby proclaim October 14th through the

05:2518th, 2026 as Central Arkansas Pride

05:28Fest Week.

05:31>> [applause]

05:35>> Thank you so much, Mayor Scott, city

05:38board, the city of Little Rock. We

05:41greatly appreciate being

05:43acknowledged this week. Since our humble

05:46beginnings in 2013, that has been our

05:48goal and mission is to educate, unite,

05:51and inspire.

05:53And with your continued support, we have

05:55been able to do that. With our growth,

05:57we are now on Capitol Avenue, three city

06:00blocks, 140 vendors, celebrating the

06:03arts, our food,

06:06and our people to educate Arkansas, who

06:10we are as a vital part of Arkansas with

06:13our talents, our hardworking

06:16uh people that we bring to the capitol

06:18from across the state. So, I couldn't be

06:21more proud to stand here in Little Rock

06:23today and say thank you for this

06:25recognition.

06:29[applause]

06:46Thank you.

07:10All right.

07:25>> Madam clerk, if you would please read

07:27the group items.

07:29>> Mayor, I need to call the role first.

07:31>> Oh, well, it's a reconvene meeting. You

07:33have to call.

07:33>> We still have to take it since there's

07:34people that

07:35>> Okay. Well, let's call the role.

07:38>> Director Miller,

07:40>> Director Richardson, Director Webb,

07:43Director Peek,

07:44>> Director Hines,

07:45>> Director Lewis,

07:47>> Director Compurus, Director Phillips,

07:50>> Director Adcock, Vice Mayor Wyrick,

07:53Mayor Scott,

07:54>> present.

07:57All right. Do we need to do the pledge

07:58of allegiance, too, again? We don't.

08:00Okay. Just making sure. All right. Madam

08:02Cler, if you would please read the group

08:03items.

08:06An ordinance to declare it impractical

08:08and infeasible to bid to authorize the

08:09city manager to enter into a contract

08:11with Bell Chevrolet Company in an amount

08:12not to exceed $169,525

08:16plus applicable taxes and fees for the

08:18purchase of five Chevrolet electric

08:19vehicles including three 2027 Chevrolet

08:22Bolt LTS, one 2025 Chevrolet Blazer

08:25Police Pursuit EV, and one 2026

08:28Chevrolet Equinox by city fleet

08:31department

08:32city's fleet services department for use

08:35by various city of literat departments

08:36and for other purposes. An ordinance to

08:38authorize the execution of a master bond

08:41purchase and continuing covenant

08:42agreement to provide financing for the

08:44acquisition of vehicles and equipment

08:46for the city's waste collections and

08:48disposal system authorizing the issuance

08:50of one or more waste disposal revenue

08:53revenue bonds under the master agreement

08:55in the maximum aggregate principal

08:56amount of $17 million prescribing other

08:59matters pertaining there too to declare

09:01an emergency second reading.

09:06There's a motion and second. All those

09:07in favor, please say I.

09:09>> Those oppos say nay. Eyes have it. Third

09:11and final reading. An ordinance declared

09:13impractical and unfeasible to bid to

09:14authorize a city manager to enter into a

09:16contract with Bell Chevrolet Company in

09:18an amount not to exceed 169,525

09:21plus applicable taxes and fees for the

09:23purchase of five Chevrolet electric

09:25vehicles including three 2027 Chevrolet

09:27Chevrolet Bolt LTS, one 2025 Chevrolet

09:31Blazer Police Pursuit EV and one 2026

09:34Chevrolet Equinox by city by the city's

09:37fleet services department for use by

09:39various city of Little Rock departments

09:40and for other purposes.

09:42An ordinance to authorize the execution

09:44of a master bond purchase and continuing

09:46covenant agreement to provide financing

09:48for the acquisition of vehicles and

09:50equipment for the city's waste

09:52collections and disposal system

09:53authorizing the issuance of one or more

09:55waste disposal revenue bonds under the

09:58master agreement in the maximum

09:59aggregate principal amount of $17

10:01million prescribing other matters

10:03pertaining there too to declare an

10:05emergency third and final reading.

10:07>> Adoption approved items.

10:10>> Second. There's a motion to second. All

10:11in favor, please say I. I.

10:13>> All those oppos say nay. Eyes have it.

10:16>> We have emergency clause on two.

10:17>> There's emergency clause on two. All

10:19those in favor, please say I. Those post

10:21say nay. Eyes have it. There's a motion

10:23to go to executive session. Is there a

10:25second? There's a second. All those in

10:26favor, please say I.

10:27>> Those post say nay. I have. We're going

10:29to recess.

11:08We've uh come back from a executive

11:12session and to report back.

11:14>> Mayor, before you report, you really

11:16need to let the gentleman know that he

11:17can record.

11:18>> Well, please do as the parliamentarian.

11:20>> Okay. Um there is a statute says you can

11:23record all public meetings. So, our

11:26concerns need to give way to the

11:28statute. If you would like to use this

11:30recorder again, you can do it now.

11:33>> Thank you.

11:34Now that we've returned from executive

11:36session, uh the action um that has been

11:39taken to be voted on is a independent

11:43review um of a HR complaint against the

11:46city attorney. All those in favor,

11:48please say I.

11:50>> All the folks say nay.

11:52>> Eyes have it.

11:55[snorts] Is there a motion to adjurnn?

11:56And then there's a motion

11:58>> and a second. All those in favor, please

12:00say I.

12:01>> I supposed to say nay. Eyes have it.

12:03Meeting adjourned. We're now into the

12:05agenda meeting.

12:12Any questions on M1 M2?

12:26Director Hines may just uh we'll have uh

12:32JTS come up. So any no changes I take it

12:36since we last met

12:39>> no change we uh I believe the numbers

12:42>> come on up to the mic.

12:43>> We actually let me walk the mic. The

12:46numbers are a little bit different on

12:47the final because we actually included

12:49just the the city employees that are

12:51covered by the health plan.

12:53>> Okay.

12:53>> That's why there's a little bit of

12:54change on those the the final number.

12:57>> And then Tom, we're comfortable with

12:59Samaritans Funds program.

13:01>> We are um there's been a change to the

13:04title and two modest changes to the uh

13:08agreement, but yes.

13:11>> Okay. Thank you. Oh, and you do not have

13:14to bid that because it is a

13:16riskmanagement practice and that's

13:18excluded from bid requirements by state

13:20law. Thank you,

13:26>> Director Compir Director Phillips,

13:30>> John. Thank you. Uh would

13:32[clears throat] you mind going through

13:34what's the carvats are and what they are

13:36meant to do and how they're meant to

13:37save the city money so we can achieve

13:39this goal? So as far as the additional

13:43levers, Dr. Compurus,

13:45>> so so one of those is going to be is is

13:48affecting the the actual pharmacy, the

13:51the PBM side of it and the specialty

13:53drugs to where we are going where

13:56nothing is to exclude somebody from

13:59getting anything. It is to try to make

14:02sure that we manage the process to get

14:04those drugs at the at the most

14:06affordable price for the city so that it

14:09doesn't trying to avoid any negative

14:12impacts to us on those claims. So the

14:14pharmacy side of it is something that I

14:16think we're all in in favor of. I don't

14:18believe there's really any dramatic

14:20change there on that. The Samaritan Fund

14:23is a way that we can actually uh assist

14:27people that have high claims to try to

14:30get their cost down to zero. So, if

14:34you're already going through that

14:35medical claim in a large condition, this

14:37is a voluntary process. So, they get to

14:40choose if they would like to participate

14:42to where we can get their cost down to

14:45as low as possible. To them, it's a zero

14:47cost, just what we're getting it to. for

14:49us. We're trying to get the cost down as

14:52low as we can.

15:05I'm sorry.

15:06>> You turned it off. I'm sorry.

15:09>> Talk about what the extra work that your

15:12organization is going to have to do now

15:13that we're on this plan or going to this

15:15plan.

15:16>> So, there's a considerable amount of

15:19extra work as you can imagine because we

15:21actually start processing cash flow. So,

15:24we are watching claims as they come

15:25through on a weekly basis. We identify

15:28the claims. we identify claimants as we

15:31see a potential large claimant coming in

15:33the future. We want to make sure that

15:35we're talking with the the proper team,

15:38HR team, and those that have a BAA,

15:40which allows us to discuss personal

15:42health information legally. So, we're

15:44going to go through we go through that

15:46process and vet out claims as they

15:47appear. And as we see them come in, we

15:50want to make sure that we're watching is

15:52there a way that we can control it? is a

15:54necessary claim, but then more

15:56importantly is watching how those claims

15:58are being paid and then to make sure

16:01that our reinsurance carriers are

16:03aligned with the claims. There's a

16:05there's a lot of there's I don't want to

16:07bore everybody right now, but there's a

16:08lot of work that goes into it.

16:10>> But but the main point is this is not

16:14an employee takes a claim, submits it,

16:17you look at the claim and pay it. This

16:19is an ongoing process of looking at it

16:22as it moves through the process to try

16:24to identify areas that you can save

16:26money for the city.

16:28>> Absolutely.

16:29>> We're not saving money for the the

16:31employee. We're saving money for us be

16:33able to do more [clears throat] for the

16:35patients later on.

16:36>> True. And if we can if if if we can, we

16:39are going to make it up. We're going to

16:40save money for the employee, too.

16:42>> Right.

16:42>> And I think we'll have some situations

16:44where we can do that. And so the

16:46employees will be out of pocket a lot

16:48less than they have been. It just gives

16:50us more control and more oversight and

16:53more accountability into medical claims

16:54and the pharmacy claims.

16:56>> And I I imagine it'll take a quarter or

16:59two to start getting any numbers. Is

17:01that right?

17:01>> Absolutely. Claims run out. So the times

17:04the medical claims, it usually takes us

17:0660 to 90 days before we receive it. If

17:09you can think about going to the

17:10hospital, you've been to the hospital

17:12before, you don't get your bill when you

17:13get home. Your bill usually comes in the

17:15mail a month or two later because they

17:17have to process it. They have to apply

17:18the correct codes and then they send the

17:21bill after it gets adjudicated with

17:23insurance. So it will take 90 days

17:27before we really see anything besides

17:29pharmacy. So that gives us a window of

17:31not having a lot of claims on the front

17:33end. But as those claims come back, then

17:35as people start hitting a certain number

17:38and getting to their specific

17:39deductible, we're trailing that to make

17:42sure that we know that whenever this has

17:44hit that that number, that specific

17:46deductible, that we are going to make

17:48sure that reinsurance has taken that on

17:50rather than us.

17:51>> So we're now responsible for this 20

17:55whatever it is. A big number.

17:58>> Yes, sir. And so [clears throat] how do

18:00you plan to report back to us since

18:03we're now the ones holding the

18:06>> holding the money? How how often are you

18:09going to come back and talk to us or

18:10send something to us so we know where we

18:12are?

18:13>> So standardly we work with the HR team

18:17on making sure and finance to make sure

18:19that we understand claims and what's

18:21coming down the pipe, what we have to be

18:23ready to pay for. What that looks at

18:26looks like we do that on a monthly basis

18:28because we're looking but we're looking

18:30at the claims and we're probably

18:31communicating with HR on a weekly basis.

18:34But as far as the board goes and I avail

18:37myself to anybody if anybody ever wants

18:39a has a question within the parameters

18:41of how y'all can act. You can contact me

18:44directly on my cell phone. I am more

18:45than happy to talk to anyone. But as far

18:47as the board goes, I would think that

18:50maybe a quarterly

18:53a quarterly update um at least the first

18:56quarter is going to be pretty light and

18:58so a quarterly update as we go and then

19:02we're we're open to whatever makes sense

19:04to y'all.

19:05>> Well, I'd like to have after the first

19:06quarter or two a monthly written report

19:10in a quarterly time having y'all here

19:11because it's this is we're really

19:14putting a lot on the line. We're risking

19:15a lot. So,

19:16>> yes, sir.

19:17>> And not to put the pressure on y'all,

19:19but I if if we're going to go down, I

19:21want to go down together. And if we're

19:22hitting home runs, know that

19:24>> we are partners in this. And we have uh

19:27some software that we can generate

19:30reports that also predict what we think

19:33the outcomes are going to be. So, I

19:34think ultimately what we'll do is we'll

19:36work with HR and and some of y'all to

19:39get these reports in a format that makes

19:41sense, that are easy to read, easy to

19:43comprehend, and also avails you of any

19:46questions you may have for us.

19:47>> Thank you.

19:48>> Absolutely. Thank you,

19:50>> Director Phillips.

19:52>> Thank Thank you, Mayor. I just And I may

19:54have some follow I know y'all will be

19:55here next week, I presume. I may have

19:57some more followup that time, but I do

19:59have uh two questions I just want to be

20:02very clear on.

20:04And I think this has already been

20:05answered, but I want to say it verbally.

20:08>> We are voting to move to self-funded

20:10insurance.

20:11>> Yes. Yes.

20:12>> Okay. Understood. Number two, um based

20:16on my recollection, the self-funded

20:19expected was around 23. This is 28. What

20:24happened? So, there are some some of the

20:26people that are on our plan that are not

20:28direct city employees that that may or

20:30may not that may be paying their own and

20:32handling those claims and paying those

20:34rates themselves.

20:35>> Okay.

20:35>> And I'm not that I'm not that clear on

20:38how many of that was. Jenny, you

20:40>> Well, and I guess more particularly

20:42>> I was going to say I can explain it to

20:43you. You're saying why is this 28

20:45instead of the 23?

20:47>> Yeah, that we were previously.

20:48>> So, there there the 23 was expected

20:51claims for those number of people. It

20:53didn't include any of the hard dollar

20:55administrative costs that are that are

20:57there. So last last time we were here,

21:01our max fund number was 30.1 million

21:04total,

21:04>> right? That's the ceiling,

21:05>> right? That was the ceiling. So now our

21:07max fund total is 28.6.

21:09>> Okay. So and that was going to be my

21:10follow-up question. So the ceiling went

21:12down.

21:12>> Yes.

21:13>> Okay. That's that's good news cuz I was

21:15going to be saying if that if this went

21:16up to 28, is now the ceiling 35? Yes,

21:19sir.

21:19>> But the answer to that is no.

21:21>> Yes, sir.

21:21>> Okay. Understood.

21:22>> And and I wanted to follow up with a

21:24question you'd asked that that actually

21:26was it was confusing before

21:27>> about the levers.

21:28>> Yes. So

21:30>> I think before 23 was expected and I

21:33think our ceiling was 30 point.

21:35>> Yeah.

21:36>> Whatever it was

21:37>> and what I wanted to say is expected is

21:41what they expect the claims to come in

21:43at. Typically though nobody can predict

21:46it. What we see is it's going to be

21:48somewhere between expected and maxf

21:51funded. And then the way that we get

21:54those numbers back down to where we hope

21:56to get to expected or below expected is

21:59by pulling the levers as it relates to

22:02the pharmacy benefit management, getting

22:04our rebates back, any spread pricing,

22:07specialty drugs, driving those cost

22:10downs. Those are the levers that we pull

22:11to try to get it even to to try to

22:14control it. So, put differently, the

22:16number that we're voting on is actually

22:18the ceiling.

22:19>> That is the ceiling.

22:20>> Okay, understood. Thank you for that.

22:22>> Thank you.

22:22>> That's that's all I had, Mayor.

22:26>> Any more questions on the consent items,

22:31>> Director Miller.

22:34Thanks, Mayor. Uh and and Michael

22:37Sanders may be able to answer this or

22:39maybe research it, but uh the

22:42resolutions five, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10,

22:47um are for our youth programs.

22:51Uh and that amounts to about $800,000.

22:54Do we have we have any idea how many

22:57youth we're talking about?

23:00And you and if you hadn't, you can

23:02research that. Let let us know next week

23:04or let me know. But how many how many

23:06how many youth are we talking about? And

23:08when we talk about youth, are we saying

23:1018 to 22, 12 to what are we talking

23:14about?

23:15>> So uh traditionally our positive

23:17prevention programs uh this set are 6 to

23:2012 year old programs. Uh eight programs

23:24and the cap is 30.

23:27The ma a mandatory minimum is 30 uh

23:29students per program. Uh but right now

23:33uh average active enrollment right now

23:35is 416.

23:38Uh and so that's year round after

23:40school, out of school time, programming,

23:42uh social emotional learning, academic

23:45academic enrichment, and a number of

23:48other things. Yes, sir.

23:49>> So how many [snorts] did you say? 4

23:51>> 416.

23:52>> 416

23:53>> at count now. and some overenroll.

23:56Um, and the majority of them are are

23:59overenrolled right now. Uh, average

24:01daily attendance uh ranges from 129%

24:06uh and as low as 78% uh uh give or take.

24:10>> That's good. I just wanted to to get

24:12some idea of how many youth we're out

24:14here touching.

24:15>> Yes, sir. and let the public know, you

24:17know, what what we're doing and

24:19approximately how much money we're

24:20spending because this starts from

24:22January 1st of 2027

24:25through the end of [snorts] the calendar

24:27year.

24:27>> December. Yes, sir. All right. And then

24:29we as we know the summer months their

24:31number uh their numbers go up

24:33>> and some other program. Okay. All right.

24:35Thank you. That's all I have.

24:42Director Lis

24:43>> and by it coming up in October, there

24:47wouldn't be any issues with them getting

24:49payment in January, right?

24:51>> So, and that's our intent uh starting

24:53early so that we can have a January one

24:55start date. Yes.

24:56>> Perfect. Yes. Deal. Thank you. Mhm. And

24:58this is the last extension uh for these

25:01and then we go back uh with the work of

25:04our team and and the CYF commission uh

25:08um reviewing the RFP for the next goound

25:11and then uh presenting a new um

25:16hopefully uh RFP that will go out go

25:18forward and then be able to select um or

25:23make the opportunity available for other

25:25organizations. Yes.

25:26>> Okay. Got it.

25:28>> Thank you

25:37board members. Any questions, concerns

25:40on the remaining items? Questions,

25:43concerns on the remaining items before

25:45we uh end this meeting? Question.

25:48Director Phillips.

25:50>> Yes, Mayor. I just wanted to share with

25:53my colleagues that the city attorney uh

25:55did pull the resolution as it relates to

25:58the flock cameras. As my colleagues may

26:01remember about a year ago, there was an

26:03ordinance that we voted on to bring more

26:05transparency and the use of the

26:07technologies by Little Rock Police

26:08Department. Um, I will be bringing that

26:11back along with some co-sponsors

26:14um in a couple weeks and also with maybe

26:18an amendment about u the nonrenewal of

26:22our contract with Flock. So, I just

26:23wanted to make sure that my colleagues

26:25aware of what was being passed out and

26:27what we'll be voting on in a couple

26:29weeks.

26:33>> And I think that's sufficient, right,

26:34city attorney, to make sure it's on the

26:36agenda.

26:38the actual um whatever you're going to

26:41have a resolution or ordinance needs to

26:43be given at the agenda meeting two weeks

26:46before it would be on the agenda. So if

26:49you come back at the agenda meeting two

26:51weeks from now would be the board

26:53meeting after

26:54>> understood. Thank you. Thank you mayor.

26:56>> Director Eco.

26:57>> Yes. The only thing I've heard about the

27:00flocks from all of our police officers

27:02and everything is what the big help it

27:04is to the officers uh particularly those

27:07working the streets. I would like to

27:09have to make sure that we have city

27:11staff here and I would like for them to

27:14prepare us a complete uh outline of what

27:18this has meant to our officers and to

27:21our police department.

27:23>> Yes, ma'am. [clears throat]

27:27Mayor,

27:28>> also on item number 21, I want to make

27:32sure that it's kept separate, please.

27:38>> Yes,

27:39Vice Mayor W.

27:41>> Yes. Thank you. Um, I just want to say

27:44that, um,

27:46I support the Little Rock Police

27:48Department and I support giving them all

27:51the tools that they need. Uh but there's

27:54been some misuse of the flock cameras

27:56that have been identified in the last

27:59well one in May which I counted as a

28:03one-off because the person had some

28:04issues and maybe that's the reason why

28:07they um felt a need to misuse the

28:10cameras. But we've had three more

28:12incidences that have happened um in our

28:16city and I have defended flight cameras.

28:20I've sat sat in a room and I said, "No,

28:22they're good for us. We need them for u

28:24taking care of the crime that's in the

28:26city, particularly kidnapping,

28:28abductions, which uh for through

28:31September of this year, we've had 52.

28:33Last year, we had 65. So, I understand

28:36the importance of them. But we've been

28:39watching these cities that have opted

28:41out of block cameras. You know, one by

28:44one, they've been failing. They've been

28:46they've said they're not going to use

28:48them." And I thought those were one-offs

28:51as well because they were smaller cities

28:53and maybe the expense was too big for

28:55them to uh pay for them, those kinds of

28:58things. But now with the misuse that we

29:01have in our city, I I've investigated a

29:05lot of things about flock cameras and

29:07maybe we have things besides block

29:10cameras. Maybe that's a brand name.

29:12Maybe there's other cameras that we're

29:15calling Flock. I don't know what the

29:16numbers are. Uh the mayor said 4,000. I

29:20saw a report where there's around 3,800,

29:23but our CPA, Mr. Sarpie, said we had

29:26like 115 or 119 that cost us 1.4

29:30million. I don't know what the numbers

29:31are. Uh but we have a lot of people that

29:34are distressed with the surveillance. I

29:36have I talked to one lady and she said,

29:37"Well, I don't go down the street

29:39because there's cameras and I don't want

29:41to have my picture made." Uh another

29:43gentleman sent me a text message this

29:45weekend. and he said, "I went to the

29:47grocery store and I went to exercise and

29:50I came home and I went by 15 flock

29:52cameras." Are they recognized them as

29:55flight cameras and they're not flight

29:56cameras? I don't know. But I looked at

29:59the general orders for the police

30:01department and on July 6, we changed our

30:05general orders where we're going to do

30:06audits on a six-month basis. Before it

30:10said once a month and then a report for

30:14a quarter. The state law says six

30:16months. So, um I don't think a six-month

30:20audit is going to help us with finding

30:23the misuse of the flight cameras.

30:27I would propose that we

30:30do something to stop using them until we

30:33come up with a plan as to how we're

30:35going to uh manage them. I looked at a

30:39report that was done by an organization

30:42called um

30:45Arkansas Accountability Report and it

30:48said that we had um solved potentially

30:52160 crimes. Uh and we did like 103

30:56million snapshots of cameras. That's not

30:59that much crime that we're resolving.

31:01Now, every crime needs to be resolved. I

31:03get that. But I think that we can take a

31:06look at um the reports, the reviews,

31:09come up with a plan to audit better, but

31:13until we come up with that, I think we

31:14need to stop the use of them.

31:17So, I'm happy to look at your ordinance.

31:21>> You will.

31:21>> I think the timing's good. I appreciate

31:23that.

31:24>> No problem. Thank you,

31:28>> Chief Dyer and Lieutenant Buer. I know

31:30you guys came here to make some remarks.

31:47I'm not quite as uh not quite as tall as

31:50you, sir.

31:52>> Okay,

31:54ma'am. I took some notes during your

31:56commentary and I I do want to point out

31:57there are some inaccuracies of what

31:59you're presenting. So I want to make

32:00sure that the public does understand

32:02that you know what our policy says

32:05versus versus what you have presented.

32:08Um

32:10the sixmonth thing that you brought up.

32:12No, we conduct quarterly audits of our

32:15users. There are also like uh was put

32:19out in some of the press releases today.

32:21We have implemented some additional

32:23monthly auditing that we would like to

32:25do moving forward. The state statute

32:28requires that we compile a sixmonth u

32:32report and that information we create in

32:34a report that runs for the first six

32:36months of the year and the last six

32:38months of the year. So it's not a

32:39rolling six months. It's a it it just

32:42goes with the the six months broken down

32:44in the year. And we are required to keep

32:46those for 18 months. And we do, excuse

32:49me, we do that and that was one of the

32:52things that was added into the uh

32:54general order recently was to provide

32:56clarity on that rolling report because

32:58it didn't read that way before and so

33:00that's why that change was made. But we

33:03have been conducting quarterly audits

33:06prior to that. Um, as far as the numbers

33:11that you are presenting from this

33:14Arkansas accountability or wherever that

33:17was, I'm not sure where they got those.

33:19Um, but in 2026 alone, we have had 110

33:24arrests that we can attribute to the

33:26flock cameras. We also we have a

33:29difference between what we consider like

33:30a cleared record versus an arrest. A

33:32cleared record could be something where

33:35it contributes to a case. Maybe it

33:37provides an investigative lead. Um, we

33:40have had much more of those in in 2024.

33:44We had at least 134 arrests that we can

33:46directly attribute to Flock as an

33:49assisting tool. We're not saying that

33:50Flock is the only reason that that

33:52arrest occurred, but it is a tool that

33:54our investigators utilized to have that.

33:57Um in 2025 we had 169

34:01and just through the beginning of this

34:03year through August 9th we have had 110

34:06arrests. Um in the last since January of

34:092024 we can attribute Flock to the

34:12assistance of recovering $3.7 million

34:15worth of stolen vehicles. And to some

34:19people property crime might not seem

34:21like something that's that significant.

34:23However, you think about our our

34:26citizens and their vehicle. That's how

34:28they get to work. That's how they get

34:29their kids to school. You know, losing a

34:31vehicle and having it taken from you is

34:33is a significant incident in these

34:36individuals lives. So, we don't want to

34:40devalue the importance of of those sort

34:43of property crimes, but we do use them

34:46to investigate homicides, robberies, uh

34:50like you said, kidnappings and

34:51abductions. So, I I do believe there is

34:54a lot of value in it. Um, and I'll let

34:58Chief Chime in if he has anything else.

35:03>> Good evening. We appreciate you allowing

35:05us to come and speak on behalf of the

35:07men and women of Little Rock Police

35:09Department.

35:11Uh, I've been doing this a very long

35:12time and in the time that I've been

35:15here, I've I've watched this police

35:18department evolve and it's because of

35:21some of the measures that you've allowed

35:22us to put into place. This is a hard

35:25job. It gets harder every day. Every day

35:30it gets harder to come to work every

35:32day. And we are having a very trying

35:35time finding people to want to do this

35:38job. And one of the reasons that's going

35:41on is because there's always going to be

35:44a question in what we do and how we do

35:46it. This is a very valuable tool and

35:50it's not for the Little Rock police

35:52officers that this tool is on the block

35:55for. This tool is out there so we can

35:58help every citizen in our communities

36:01that we serve get closure.

36:05That's what we're trying to do.

36:08And so when we get these tools, we may

36:11have one or two or three out of five or

36:16550 people that abuse a system.

36:20We're dealing with them. We're going to

36:22deal with them and we're going to deal

36:24with them in a way to where we get

36:26everyone's attention that has the

36:28ability to utilize this this resource.

36:31But with everything else, it takes time.

36:34We can't figure something out, find

36:36something out on a Tuesday and deal with

36:38it by Thursday. We have a due process in

36:42in place for the men and women that

36:44choose to do this job. Now, I'm not

36:47upset about anything that's decided by

36:50this board. But I will tell you,

36:53everyone here knows that we live in a

36:55right now society.

36:57Everybody wants their crime solved right

37:01now.

37:02We don't have the ability to do that

37:05with just our eyes. We have said many

37:08times if we could utilize the eyes of

37:11the community members that we serve, a

37:14lot of the things that we have in place

37:15that we come and ask you for, we would

37:18need. But that's not that's not how this

37:20rolls. We need each and every resource

37:25that you guys have blessed us with in

37:28order to do the job at the level that

37:30we've done it at.

37:32Understand this. Make no mistake about

37:35it. When it is brought to our attention,

37:38we're going to deal with it. So, I ask

37:41that you not make a decision in haste

37:44because of one or two or three people

37:48making mistakes and violating a possibly

37:51violating a policy that we have in place

37:54to deal with this. Now that we have

37:56these people on notice, we've done the

37:59things that we need to do to take them

38:01off the street. We have taken their

38:03ability to utilize the system away from

38:05them and we're moving forward. What what

38:09comes of the investigation is what comes

38:10of the investigation, but we're going to

38:13do what we need to do. So, we appreciate

38:16you, but at the end of the day, we are

38:20trying our best to find closure for

38:23these families that some of the most

38:25heinous crimes are happening to. And

38:28nobody, not one person want to step to

38:32us and say, "What are you doing about

38:34this?" And we say, "Well,

38:37we're we're we're trying to investigate

38:39it, but we don't have what's necessary.

38:42This is the capital city.

38:45The capital city. We should have those

38:48tools in place.

38:50That's why I believe you guys blessed us

38:52with these things. So allow us to do the

38:55job that we need to do. And if we don't

38:57do it to the level that you feel

39:00comfortable with, come to us with that

39:02and we'll correct that if there's a

39:04need.

39:06I appreciate you guys allowing us to

39:08speak today because I think it's very

39:10important that the police department

39:12Little Rock police officers have a voice

39:14in this also.

39:16>> Director Hines.

39:17>> Oh, thank you. Thank you, Chief. Thank

39:19you. Is it captain now?

39:22>> Not yet.

39:23>> Not yet. Okay. [laughter] You already

39:25spoke.

39:26>> Uh I I appreciate you. And again, I know

39:28we've got an open investigation of this,

39:30but this came about because we have a

39:32quarterly audit that I understand today

39:34we're going to start doing monthly or

39:36some of it monthly. So, it's the system

39:38we're using alerting us that we may have

39:40misuse.

39:41>> Yes, sir. And I would like to point out

39:42we've been conducting these audits since

39:44the beginning of 2025 at a minimum. So,

39:48these recent ones were the first time

39:50where we have had incidents come up. I

39:53will add that Faulk did um add some new

39:56auditing assistance within their

39:58platform that automatically goes in and

40:01flags some some histories and so that

40:03has been a big assistance to us to do

40:05that more effectively and I think that

40:07is has been really helpful for my staff

40:10that that we now have that to work with

40:12as well.

40:12>> Okay. So, so that that that is the one

40:16positive I hear. we were proactively

40:17monitoring this is why we were able to

40:19catch it and then we're doing a full

40:20investigation to make sure that the the

40:23probable misuse was what it was actually

40:25flagging.

40:26>> So, all right. I appreciate you and I

40:28still plan on giving LRPD all the tools

40:30they need to do their job. And I I find

40:33it I don't know disingenuous to anybody

40:35that opposes the flot cameras and their

40:38use. I guess you shouldn't go to Home

40:40Depot or Lowe's because they've all

40:41installed them on their parking lots as

40:43I noticed the other day when I went in.

40:45But if you're using one of these,

40:48you're being tracked more so than what

40:51we do in LRPD with our flock camera

40:54readers on our intersection. So just

40:56just a word to the wise. I have no

40:58assumption of privacy because I use one

41:00of these. And I think the real world

41:02needs to realize that that unless you're

41:05carrying this around in a Faraday P bag

41:07and only use it for a cell phone or

41:09maybe go to a I guess a dumb phone

41:11instead of a smartphone, but even then

41:13you're going to be tracked through the

41:14cellular system. So, I appreciate your

41:16uh candid candidness and cander. Thank

41:19you,

41:20>> Vice Mayor Wick. Then uh Director

41:23Miller,

41:24>> thank you guys for coming. you have you

41:26have a very compelling argument and as

41:28I've said I've always supported tools

41:30for the police department. The general

41:33orders 325 that I was talking about it

41:35looks to me like um number six it says

41:40you will compile a byianual statistical

41:43LPR data report to stay in compliance

41:46with ACA 1212 805 and before it said

41:50monthly. So, that's what I'm looking at.

41:52And it was revised on um July 8th, 2026.

41:56That's where I got that information. The

41:58numbers that I got came from this

42:01Arkansas accountability report and they

42:04talk about cases cleared, cleared by

42:06rest, and when I added those up, it was

42:09160 and that was for the last six

42:11months. They also talked about that you

42:14submitted two reports and one of them

42:16had different numbers than the other. I

42:18don't know if that's what's creating the

42:19confusion uh for this report. Um people

42:23send me things all the time and so I

42:25read them try to stay informed and so

42:28that's where that's where that

42:29information came from

42:32>> without seeing them. I wouldn't want to

42:34make any sort of commentary on their

42:36numbers.

42:37>> Yeah, I can give you this copy if you'd

42:39like.

42:41>> We'll stick with the your numbers. Uh,

42:45Director Miller,

42:48>> thank you, Mayor, and thank you all for

42:50this report and the information that

42:52you're sharing and certainly the

42:53safeguards that you're trying to put in

42:55place that you are putting in place. I

42:58look forward to uh learning how what's

43:01going to happen to the people who have

43:02abused this system. Uh, I've heard about

43:05all of the crimes that we can uh solve

43:09by using flocks.

43:11I was at a neighborhood meeting last

43:13night uh in East Little Rock and they

43:16were talking about

43:18hundreds and hundreds of tires that are

43:21being dumped uh

43:25in East Little Rock.

43:28Do we use flot cameras at all to monitor

43:32any of that? I mean, I've I've heard the

43:34the, you know, the high stuff that we're

43:37doing, robberies, kidnappings, all those

43:40type of things, but we have serious

43:44dumping in this city. And, you know,

43:47we're trying to address that. And I hear

43:50it a lot from neighborhoods

43:52and in East Little Rock. It was hundreds

43:54of tires that public works were going

43:57over and cleaning out. And we clean them

43:59out and then they get dumped over there

44:00again. And so do we use anything for

44:04that? I'm just curious.

44:06>> So we used to have a few devices that we

44:10would call our rapid deploy devices. The

44:12the devices you see like the one outside

44:15of city hall here and the ones mounted

44:16up on the energy poles. Those are not

44:19devices that can just be moved. However,

44:22Flock does manufacture one of their

44:25products that that we can move. Um, we

44:28were not exactly happy with some of the,

44:32uh, functionality of it. It just, it

44:34came loose and we had to do a lot of

44:36adjusting. The battery life wasn't quite

44:38what we wanted. And we were also asked

44:41to, you know, be cognizant of our

44:43spending and we did not feel like the

44:45$35,000 that we were spending on those

44:47rapid deploy cameras was necessarily the

44:50best choice. And so in, you know,

44:53wanting to be good stewards of the

44:54public's money, we did not opt to renew

44:58that particular product. But I can tell

45:00you tire dumping was one of the things

45:03that we did go and place those out for

45:06uh among other issues that happened in

45:09the city.

45:13You got another question, director.

45:14>> Well, I just follow up.

45:17>> So, right now, we don't have the tool to

45:20monitor that type of dumping. I mean,

45:24tire dumping is is just so serious and

45:27the and the residents were just just

45:29frustrated. And I'm again, I'm not

45:32talking about two or three tires. I'm

45:33talking about hundreds of tires that the

45:36city, the residents end up paying for.

45:40we end up paying for that. So, you

45:43saving us some money. Appreciate that.

45:45Appreciate you looking out for the the

45:48the pocketbook, but then I don't know

45:51how much money is costing us when we

45:53have to go out there with that manpower

45:56with, you know, with the uh trucks and

46:00crews to get all those tires out of the

46:03ditches,

46:05clean them up, and then they get dumped

46:06in again. So,

46:09>> so if you will get with me offline,

46:13um, and let's discuss.

46:15>> Okay.

46:15>> I'm pretty sure it's something we can we

46:17can do to help the citizens of East

46:20Little Rock out and in and dealing with

46:21that issue.

46:23>> Thank you.

46:24>> All right. Any more questions or

46:25concerns before we adjourn? Oh, D. Uh,

46:28city attorney.

46:28>> Yes. I wanted to let the board know that

46:30we have gotten all the records from the

46:32Tall Tree Improvement District. They

46:35want to expand their board.

46:37tall timber and that we will have an

46:40ordinance that we're going to ask to be

46:42added as a modification on Tuesday.

46:44>> All right, meeting a journ.

46:46>> Sorry about that.