2026-11-02 - Board of Directors Meeting

00:21Good evening. I would like to call to

00:23order the November 2nd, 2026 Little Rock

00:25City Board of Directors meeting. We

00:27would like to welcome those in

00:28attendance as well as those watching at

00:30home or streaming online. Madam Clerk,

00:32if you would please call the roll.

00:33>> Director Miller.

00:35Director Richardson. Director Webb.

00:38Director Peck.

00:39Director Hines.

00:40>> Present.

00:41>> Director Lewis.

00:42>> Here.

00:42>> Director Fernandez.

00:44Director Phillips.

00:45>> Present.

00:46>> Director Adcock.

00:47>> Present.

00:47>> Vice Mayor Warford.

00:49Mayor Scott.

00:51>> Present.

00:53>> Mr. Attorney, if you would please give

00:55us a

00:56brief invocation.

00:57>> Please join me.

01:02It is so important to discuss.

01:07It is important to know

01:09that

01:15things and elsewhere,

01:19but

01:20that

01:21if there are still feelings that have

01:23not been expressed, that there are still

01:25issues that are not been expressed,

01:28everyone who sits on this board

01:31and everyone who sits in the audience

01:35has the right to share their feelings.

01:39We don't have a right to agree.

01:42We don't have a right to be

01:44disagreeable,

01:46but we do have a right to discuss.

01:50Let us make sure

01:52that we always exercise that right.

01:55Amen.

02:04>> I pledge allegiance

02:05>> to the flag of the United States of

02:07America, and to the republic for which

02:10it stands, one nation under God,

02:13indivisible, with liberty and justice

02:15for all.

02:24>> We have two modifications to today's

02:27agenda.

02:29Is there a motion?

02:32There's a motion to second to add M1 and

02:34M2 to the consent agenda. All those in

02:35favor, please say aye.

02:36>> Aye.

02:37>> All those opposed, say nay. Ayes have

02:39it. Madam Clerk, if you would, please

02:40read the consent items along with M1 and

02:42M2.

02:44>> A resolution to award a professional

02:45engineering services contract in an

02:47amount not to exceed $58,500

02:50for design of drainage improvements in

02:52the West Baseline neighborhood as a part

02:53of the Ward 7 Targeted Community

02:55Development Initiative and for other

02:56purposes. Funding from the Targeted

02:58Community Development funds.

03:01A resolution authorizes the city manager

03:02to enter into a contract with SHI

03:04International Corporation in an amount

03:06not to exceed $94,078.90

03:09plus applicable taxes and fees to renew

03:11the contract for the use of Bonterra's

03:13Apricot Data Management Software System

03:15used by the Community Programs

03:16Department as its case management

03:18platform for prevention, intervention,

03:20and treatment funds for a period of 1

03:21year from January 1, 2027 to December

03:2431, 2027 and for other purposes.

03:27A resolution authorizes the city manager

03:29to enter into a contract with Commercial

03:30Air Incorporated in an amount not to

03:32exceed $115,633

03:34plus applicable taxes and fees for the

03:36installation of a HVAC monitoring and

03:38control system and the installation of a

03:40new card door access and security system

03:42for the Lider'ot Fire Station number

03:44nine and for other purposes.

03:47A resolution authorizes the city manager

03:48to enter into a contract with Spaco

03:50Incorporated in an amount not to exceed

03:52$71,940.58

03:54plus applicable taxes and fees for the

03:56purchase and installation of a 1,000

03:58gallon Fireguard above ground storage

04:00fuel tank for the Lider'ot Fire Station

04:02number nine and further purposes.

04:04A resolution authorizes the city manager

04:06to enter into a contract with Vertasol

04:07LLC in an amount not to exceed $105,840

04:11plus applicable taxes and fees for the

04:13purchase and implementation of the Ally

04:15Connect comprehensive safety and

04:16wellness program platform to serve 500

04:18Little Rock Fire or Little Rock Police

04:20Department personnel to allow the

04:22agreement to be in place for 2027 and

04:24further purposes.

04:26A resolution authorizes the city manager

04:27to enter into a contract with NICE

04:29Systems Incorporated in an amount not to

04:30exceed $110,000 plus applicable taxes

04:33and fees for the renewal of the Little

04:35Rock Police Department subscription

04:36access contract for NICE Investigate

04:39SaaS solution for a one-year term and

04:41further purposes. A resolution

04:43authorizes the city manager to enter

04:44into a contract with Speer Technologies

04:47LLC in an amount not to exceed $106,470

04:50plus applicable taxes and fees for the

04:52purchase of 30 rifle-mounted B.E. Meyers

04:55& Co. MAWL-C1+IR

04:58visible laser illuminator aiming system

05:01for use by the Little Rock Police

05:03Department SWAT team and further

05:04purposes.

05:06A resolution authorizes the city manager

05:08to enter into a grant agreement with the

05:09United States Department of Justice

05:11Bureau of Justice Assistance to

05:13Assistance to accept $336,769

05:17in Edward Byrne Memorial Justice

05:19Assistance Grant award funding and

05:20further purposes.

05:22A resolution authorizes the city manager

05:24to enter into a contract with Hamm

05:25Degener Equipment LTD in an amount not

05:27to exceed $1,299,000

05:30plus applicable taxes and fees to

05:32utilize future bond funds for the

05:34purchase of one new AH1561

05:37Tana H555 landfill compactor by the

05:40city's Fleet Services Department for use

05:42by the Public Works Department Landfill

05:43Division and further purposes.

05:46A resolution authorizes the city manager

05:48to enter into a contract with Arkansas

05:49Kenworth LLC doing business as MHC

05:52Kenworth Little Rock in an amount not to

05:54exceed $248,709

05:57plus applicable taxes and fees to

05:58utilize future bond funds for the

06:00purchase of one new 2026 Kenworth T880

06:04tri-axle dump truck by the city's Fleet

06:06Services Department for use by the

06:07Public Works Department Landfill

06:09Division and further purposes. A

06:11resolution authorizes city manager to

06:13enter into a contract with Doggett

06:14Freightliner of Arkansas LLC in an

06:16amount not to exceed $472,038

06:19plus applicable taxes and fees to

06:21utilize future bond funds for the

06:23purchase of two new Freightliner 114 SD

06:26plus hooklift trucks by the city's Fleet

06:28Services Department for use by the

06:29Public Works Department Landfill

06:31Division and further purposes.

06:34A resolution to require the city's 2026

06:36financial audit be conducted in

06:37accordance with the city of Little Rock,

06:39Arkansas financial reporting guidelines

06:41and compliance with the Governmental

06:42Accounting Standards Board, the American

06:44Institute of Certified Public

06:46Accountants in the United States

06:47Government Accountability Office

06:49prescribed guidelines and formats and

06:51further purposes.

06:53A resolution authorizes city manager to

06:55enter into a lease agreement with

06:56Arkansas Boathouse Club in the amount of

06:58$12,000 for certain city-owned real

07:00property within River Mountain Park upon

07:02which a rowing shed and dock constructed

07:04and owned by tenant are located to

07:06operate and maintain the River Mountain

07:07Park Boathouse for an initial term of 10

07:09years with the option for 10 additional

07:11one-year extensions with rent increasing

07:13up to $100 monthly when access to

07:16electricity and drinking water is

07:17provided to the premises by the city and

07:19further purposes. A resolution

07:21authorizes city manager to enter into a

07:23contract with Presidio Networked

07:25Solutions Group LLC in an amount not to

07:27exceed $219,596.15

07:31plus applicable taxes and fees for the

07:32purchase of 46 new Cisco switches and 40

07:35new wireless access points and the

07:37associated support licenses for a term

07:39of 3 years for installation at the

07:41Little Rock Zoo and Fleet Services

07:42Department. A resolution to extend the

07:45Heights Business Association Temporary

07:47Entertainment District for November 8th,

07:492026 and further purposes.

07:52A resolution authorizes city manager to

07:54designate match funds in an amount not

07:55to exceed $250,000 for the 2026-2027

07:59Emergency Solutions Grant application

08:01and further purposes.

08:03A resolution authorizes mayor of of the

08:05city of Little Rock to execute a lease

08:07with the University of Arkansas Pulaski

08:09Tech College for the use of

08:10approximately 38 acres of land at the

08:12Port of Little Rock for the construction

08:14of a workforce development center and

08:16further purposes. That concludes the

08:17consent agenda.

08:20>> Second.

08:21>> There's a motion and second. All those

08:22in favor, please say aye.

08:23>> Aye.

08:24>> All those opposed, say nay. The ayes

08:26have it. Madam Clerk, if you would,

08:27please

08:28>> We have citizen communication.

08:29>> We'll go to citizen communication. Thank

08:31you for that.

08:33Mr. Luke Skrable.

08:39Mr. Luke Skrable.

08:40Oh, sorry.

08:50>> Good evening. Thank you for allowing me

08:52the privilege of exercising my First

08:55Amendment rights.

08:57My subject tonight was Little Rock

09:00government indifference of the Arkansas

09:03Freedom of Information Act lawlessness.

09:06Now, I've spoken this before, but nobody

09:10in authority is going to get the city

09:13within legal

09:15bounds that are set by the state

09:17capital.

09:19I sent in an FOI trying to

09:22narrow down how the city attorney's

09:25office has

09:29been operating for a while outside the

09:31the written law.

09:33And I I've had this before, you know,

09:36they can't create a record

09:39to answer my request.

09:42But, they can't even extend you common

09:44courtesy.

09:46I asked them on what page does it allow

09:49you to do this?

09:51On what page does it allow you to do

09:53this?

09:54They wouldn't answer the question.

09:57They wouldn't even extend me courtesy.

10:01Um

10:02about 2 months ago, I submitted an FOI

10:07for all the custodians

10:10of the records.

10:11Cuz the law says you send your request

10:15to the custodian.

10:17Doesn't say you send it to the FOIA

10:20coordinator, who sends it to the

10:23uh coordinator

10:25>> [snorts]

10:26>> or the

10:27custodian of those records. So, anyway,

10:31uh the law is being broken every day.

10:34Like my only one complaint is one law

10:37getting broken over and over and over

10:40again. My 14th Amendment rights. There's

10:44a set of laws for me, and there's a set

10:46of laws for you.

10:49And these people

10:51but

10:52when it's me FOIA-ing and of late, last

10:55few months, cuz I'm gathering evidence

10:58for my formal complaint,

11:01city attorney's office ain't letting

11:03nothing out that I need.

11:05Everything is what I call the rubber

11:06stamp. We ain't got a record to meet

11:09your request, Luke.

11:11So,

11:13I've turned the formal complaints over.

11:15I'm hoping something positive

11:18and something lawful

11:20is going to come of it.

11:22Cuz I got about 250 other 14th Amendment

11:26right complaints I'm going to submit.

11:29And the city attorney's office on one of

11:32them said we can't we can't make a

11:34record for you.

11:36They did know that from September of '24

11:39to now, they rubber stamped me 141

11:43times.

11:44Okay? But, quote unquote, but we don't

11:48have a spreadsheet. So, they got enough

11:51evidence to count it, but when I asked

11:53them for a copy, they won't send it to

11:55me.

11:57>> Thank you Mr. Scruggs.

11:58>> Thank you.

11:59>> you to look into that, Mayor.

12:00>> We'll we'll do. Thank you so much, Mr.

12:02Scruggs.

12:03>> You bet you.

12:05>> Mr. Chico

12:07Tate is

12:12Check.

12:13Junior.

12:14>> Chico

12:15>> Junior. Checo's short for Sergio.

12:17>> All right. It's like William and Bill.

12:20>> Uh

12:20>> [sighs]

12:21>> Yeah, that's my name.

12:23Um

12:24I just want to I just wanted to

12:26thank you guys

12:28uh for your service.

12:30I know four of you are up for election

12:32and you know, I've I've been in this

12:34room. I've spoken about you know, a lot

12:37of things. I've learned a lot. I'm glad

12:39you guys inspired a whole new generation

12:41of uh folks participating in

12:44local government. You know, sometimes

12:47we don't pick the issues on what people

12:49are interested in, like data centers,

12:50like flood cameras, but hey,

12:52it's how we uh how you guys address

12:54them,

12:55you know, is what matters. And I I thank

12:57you guys. I thank you guys. I've learned

12:59a lot this year from uh

13:01watching you guys.

13:03I'm glad I've

13:05uh

13:06I've participated in

13:08in uh in this election cycle. Hopefully,

13:10I can continue participating cuz I

13:13advocate for a lot of the Latino

13:15community.

13:16Uh we've been, you know,

13:18suffering in silence.

13:20Um

13:21We're in Central Arkansas. There's not

13:23really a lot of political infrastructure

13:25for the Latino community, but hopefully

13:27we can change that um this election

13:30cycle and bring it about. I'm hopeful

13:33because Latino turnout has been

13:35breaking records. Uh young people have

13:37been out there voting.

13:39And yeah, yeah, I just want to make sure

13:42uh just because I'm your opponent

13:43doesn't mean I'm your enemy. You know,

13:45opposition is healthy in a democracy.

13:49And I'm glad you guys

13:50um I've I've learned out of three races,

13:53county and two of the city boards, I've

13:56seen how how the character of people

13:58come out when when when they're opposed.

14:01So, um

14:03I've learned a lot and I just want to

14:04thank you guys for your service.

14:06Hopefully,

14:07um

14:08you know, come January, we don't know

14:09who's going to be here or not, but I

14:11just want to thank you guys for

14:13for inspiring

14:15everybody. thank you.

14:17>> Thank you.

14:19All right.

14:23So you know the communication will do

14:26Ma'am Clark, if you would please read

14:27item number 16.

14:30>> An ordinance to declare it impractical

14:31and unfeasible to bid to authorize the

14:33city manager to enter into a contract

14:34with Lena Foundation in an amount not to

14:36exceed $112,500

14:38plus applicable taxes and fees for the

14:40purchase of 75 Grow Room Direct Kits for

14:43your Oh my goodness, distribution to

14:46early childhood classrooms in the Little

14:48Rock Local Leads service area to support

14:50specialized early childhood education

14:52skill development for the purpose of

14:54strengthening early childhood systems

14:56and enhance program quality in alignment

14:58with Local Leads initiative efforts and

15:00further purposes. First reading.

15:04>> Second. There's a motion and second. All

15:06those favor, please say aye.

15:07>> Aye.

15:08>> All those opposed, say nay. Eyes have

15:09it. Second reading.

15:10>> An ordinance to declare it impractical

15:12and unfeasible to bid to authorize the

15:13city manager to enter into a contract

15:15with Lena Foundation in an amount not to

15:17exceed $112,500

15:19plus applicable taxes and fees for the

15:21purchase of 75 Grow Room Direct Kits for

15:24distribution to early childhood

15:25classrooms in the Little Rock Local

15:27Leads service area to support

15:28specialized early childhood education

15:30skill development for the purpose of

15:32strengthening early childhood systems

15:34and enhance program quality in alignment

15:36with Local Leads initiative efforts.

15:38Second reading.

15:39>> Mrs. Brenda Green has placed on third

15:41and final reading.

15:43>> Second.

15:43>> There's a motion and second. All those

15:45favor, please say aye.

15:46>> Aye.

15:46>> All those opposed, say nay. Eyes have

15:48it. Third and final reading.

15:49>> An ordinance to declare it impractical

15:50and unfeasible to bid to authorize the

15:52city manager to enter into a contract

15:53with Lena Foundation in an amount not to

15:55exceed $112,500

15:57plus applicable taxes and fees for the

15:59purchase of 75 Grow Room Direct Kits for

16:02distribution to early childhood

16:03classrooms in the Little Rock Local

16:05Leads service area to support

16:06specialized early childhood education

16:08skill development for the purpose of

16:10strengthening early childhood systems

16:12and enhance program quality in alignment

16:13with Local Leads initiative efforts.

16:15Third and final reading.

16:17>> Members of the board, we've had three

16:18readings. Are there any questions? Are

16:20there any questions? Are there any

16:21questions? All those in favor, please

16:22say aye.

16:24All those opposed, say nay. Eyes have

16:25it. Madam Clerk, will you please read

16:27item number 17.

16:29>> An ordinance to author- authorize the

16:31issuance of limited tax general

16:33obligation capital improvement bonds

16:34pledging tax revenues sufficient to pay

16:37the principal of an interest on the

16:38bonds, prescribing other matters

16:39relating there to, to declare an

16:41emergency, first reading.

16:44reading

16:45>> There's There's no There's already a

16:47third reading.

16:47>> They They want it read three times again

16:49tonight.

16:50>> This eight here.

16:51>> Okay.

16:53>> There's a motion that's

16:55Wait, we've already read it three times.

16:56>> We've already read it twice.

16:57>> We've read it twice.

16:58>> Taylor Taylor, what

17:00We don't like to read extra if we don't

17:01have to, Taylor.

17:03>> Um

17:04Thank you. Uh Taylor Marshall with

17:06Friday Eldredge & Clark. Since the

17:08ordinance has been read the last time,

17:09we filled in a bunch of blanks in this

17:11ordinance with the numbers. We had the

17:12bond sell this morning. So, the

17:14ordinance looks a little bit different

17:15than it did last time. So, if we could

17:17go through the three readings today,

17:18that would be great.

17:19>> Thank you. Thank you.

17:20>> There's a motion and second. All those

17:21in favor, please say aye. All those

17:23opposed, say nay. Eyes have it. Second

17:24reading. Thank you, Taylor.

17:26>> An ordinance to authorize the issuance

17:28of limited tax general obligation

17:29capital improvement bonds pledging tax

17:31revenues sufficient to pay the principal

17:33of an interest on the bonds, prescribing

17:34other matters relating there to, to

17:36declare an emergency, second reading.

17:40>> Second.

17:42>> There's a motion and second.

17:43[clears throat] All those in favor,

17:43please say aye.

17:44>> Aye.

17:44>> All those opposed, say nay. Eyes have

17:46it. Third and final reading.

17:48>> An ordinance to authorize the issuance

17:49of limited tax general obligation

17:51capital improvement bonds pledging tax

17:53revenues sufficient to pay the principal

17:54of an interest on the bonds, prescribing

17:56other matters relating there to, to

17:57declare an emergency, third and final

17:59reading.

18:00>> Members of the board, we've had three

18:01questions. Are there any questions? Are

18:03there any questions? Are there any

18:04questions? All those in favor, please

18:05say aye.

18:06>> Aye.

18:06>> All those opposed, say nay.

18:08Eyes have it.

18:09>> We have an emergency clause on

18:10>> We have emergency clause. All those in

18:11favor, please say aye.

18:13All those opposed, say nay. Eyes have

18:14it. Madam Clerk, will you please read

18:16item number 18.

18:18>> An ordinance to enact the literal police

18:20surveillance technology reporting

18:21ordinance to establish transparency and

18:23reporting requirements for police

18:25surveillance technology to enhance

18:27public participation in surveillance

18:29technology decisions and for the

18:31purposes first reading.

18:34>> There's a first reading is there a

18:35motion?

18:36>> I move to suspend the rules and place on

18:37second reading.

18:38>> That's a motion.

18:39>> Is there a second?

18:40>> Second.

18:41>> All those in favor please say I.

18:42>> I.

18:43>> All those opposed say nay.

18:44>> Nay.

18:45>> The eyes have it.

18:46>> Nay.

18:47>> Second reading.

18:49Second reading was on Second reading.

18:52>> Mayor point of order we had two nays on

18:53going to suspend the rules. We only have

18:56eight in present. Requires eight to

18:58suspend the rules.

18:59>> That is a valid objection.

19:01>> Uh if two of them said no so that would

19:03only be six to suspend the rules.

19:05>> All right.

19:06>> Uh Director Alcock and Director

19:08Computers.

19:08>> Director Miller.

19:11I was trying to get some clarification

19:13on what just happened.

19:16>> Right. I guess

19:18well

19:19proper way to do it I mean from a voice

19:21standpoint if there was a description in

19:23the second reading there would have been

19:24a roll call but the map clerk said

19:26[clears throat]

19:27she heard two we'll just keep it at

19:28that. We'll move forward so we don't

19:31have enough for a second reading this

19:32time. Are there any questions? Director

19:34Phillips.

19:36>> Yeah I guess I'll defer to the people

19:38who said no. I didn't know if there was

19:40questions about the ordinance that we

19:42wanted to discuss before we went to the

19:43second reading or was a no in the second

19:45reading

19:47in general.

19:49And I think Director Computers wants to

19:50respond to that.

19:52>> All right.

19:55Director Computers.

19:57>> Uh yes thank you. I I talked to Antoine

20:00and

20:01our usual procedure

20:04is

20:05when we get

20:06something this big

20:09we get it before with the agenda

20:11meeting.

20:12I have time to read it. People have time

20:14to read it. We go to the agenda meeting

20:16and talk about it. We got this at the

20:18end of the agenda meeting not at any

20:20fault of Antoine's. I mean it's just you

20:22know, things happen.

20:24And so, I've read it and I have lots of

20:27questions. And so, I as I talked to you

20:31on the phone, I wanted to leave it on

20:33readings before we got to the end so

20:36that we had time to do it, to ask

20:38questions here, and if the questions can

20:40be answered, then we move ahead. If not,

20:43then we got 2 weeks to to answer the

20:45questions. And now, I'm I'm basically in

20:47favor of this. So, but I have lots of

20:49questions, and that's what I want to do.

20:51And that's

20:52>> You want to go with your questions,

20:53Director Computers?

20:54>> Sure. I'd love to go with my questions.

20:58I'm not sure

21:03>> Yes, we're going to go to Director

21:04Computers first.

21:07>> I'm not sure to who to address this to,

21:09Chief. I think probably you or

21:12or Tom.

21:15>> [clears throat]

21:16>> If Director Computers, if you'll go with

21:18maybe start with your questions and then

21:20>> That's fine.

21:22In section

21:30>> [sighs]

21:32>> three,

21:36number C, emergency procurement.

21:40Um

21:44could one of y'all define what we do on

21:46that and why that's is important?

21:50>> On emergency procurement,

21:52um is

21:55Nick,

21:57>> [laughter]

21:58>> you handle procurement, I don't

22:02You want to look at it, Nick?

22:06Yeah, if you'll explain to the board

22:08what emergency procurement

22:10>> I mean, emergencies are typically tied

22:11to natural disasters or events like that

22:14where there's an imminent threat to

22:16public health and safety and wellness.

22:18And that's when we would declare

22:19something an emergency.

22:21Um so, typically it should be few and

22:24far between where we're saying something

22:25is an emergency procurement.

22:27>> Okay.

22:29So, basically, who triggers this?

22:32Who If there's an emergency procurement,

22:34who says we want an emergency

22:35>> Generally, me and myself or the city

22:37manager.

22:38>> Okay.

22:38>> Yeah.

22:39>> And

22:40the last time we had emergency

22:41procurement, probably

22:44Unfortunately, I'm sure it's probably

22:46something happened between now and then,

22:47but probably was the tornado.

22:50>> Okay.

22:51Um number e

22:53>> And again, I'm sure something's happened

22:54between now and then, but that's

22:55probably the most apparent one.

22:58>> And no cost beta trials or pilot

23:01adaptations.

23:03And basically, what I read into this is

23:05that the police, if someone comes and

23:07says they want to try something, they

23:09can't do it without our permission. Is

23:11that

23:14>> Um where you at on this?

23:16>> Remember e

23:16>> That's my under Yes, Director Computers.

23:19That's what that means.

23:20>> Okay.

23:22And how do the police feel about that?

23:29>> Good evening.

23:30Good evening to everyone.

23:32Um

23:33as stated before, Director

23:36Director Phillips and I have spoken

23:37about

23:38uh this ordinance in length. Uh we don't

23:42have an issue

23:44uh when it comes to technology. We

23:45understand that a lot of the things that

23:47we do are going to be placed under a

23:49microphone or or I'm sorry, not a

23:51microphone, but a microscope. Um

23:54so, with that being said,

23:56it's not going to be that that big of a

23:59deal for us to come to you all um and

24:01ask that we are able to

24:04look into uh these different um

24:08>> [snorts]

24:09>> things that we may be able to utilize to

24:12push this department forward. So, we

24:14don't have an issue with coming to the

24:16board.

24:16>> Okay. Director Computers, the provision

24:19is in there

24:21because

24:23there are companies who will offer us

24:25something for free.

24:27This ordinance sets up very clear

24:29guidelines as to when discussions have

24:32to be heard and when particular

24:33discussions are triggered by cost.

24:36When you're offered a pilot for free by

24:39a company,

24:40it would seem that that would allow the

24:43city to get involved in something

24:45even though there hasn't been the full

24:47discussion. So, this is designed to make

24:49sure that even if we're offered

24:51something free, we're not going to not

24:54have a discussion

24:56uh before we decide to use the product.

24:59>> An example would be, I believe um before

25:02my tenure or at some point in time, even

25:06if it was in mind as well, uh

25:08ShotSpotter was offered for free.

25:11Uh and I believe they kept doing a

25:14renewal for free for a number of years

25:17and ultimately

25:19it

25:19there was a request to

25:22fund it cuz it was done through a DOJ

25:24grant maybe or something. It was some

25:25grant.

25:26>> granted uh granted

25:27>> granted for free, so. That's an ex- I'm

25:29I'm assuming that's an example, Director

25:30Phillips.

25:31>> Yes. Yes.

25:32>> Okay. Yes.

25:34>> The next one is F, and this one I'll

25:36have to tell you I

25:38I don't think is correct. This is a

25:40matter where

25:41if there's a something that comes up,

25:44the police department is supposed to

25:46present the matter to the Public Safety

25:48Committee for its review and comment.

25:51And then they

25:52recommend what they think is going on

25:55and then they then they send it to the

25:57board.

25:58To me, this is backwards.

26:00I mean, we're if there's a problem

26:03with technology,

26:05this is not the Planning Commission.

26:08This is not where you just you have

26:09everything coming up on a weekly or two

26:11every two weekly basis.

26:13My inclination is if there's something

26:15here that's going to be a problem that

26:17we need to hear about it, and I want to

26:19hear about it directly.

26:21>> Di- Director Commisioner, just I I

26:23understand

26:24how you feel, but Abdul, if you will

26:26come up.

26:27>> This is already in place on a number of

26:28different things as it relates to

26:30technology because the tech people are

26:32experienced. That's why

26:34>> But this was about the public safety.

26:35>> This is public safety. This has got

26:37nothing to do with what I'm That's the

26:38next

26:38>> That's not the

26:39>> I may have misheard you then.

26:40>> Yeah, this is public safety. This is

26:42This is

26:43This is goes to the public safety

26:45commission.

26:46Not not this.

26:48>> If if I can respond to that, Mayor,

26:51briefly. Director Cooper said I did

26:53speak about this. I'll if I would have

26:56Lynette doesn't mind coming in. I know

26:57she serves as the staff attorney for the

26:59public service commission. So she can

27:01talk about her experience in that

27:02regard. Uh but I what I will say to

27:04Director Cooper said my colleagues is

27:07that um

27:10this

27:12subsection

27:14um

27:15if it gives anyone heartburn, I think

27:17this is what I told you.

27:19I'm I'm willing to modify this to ensure

27:22that we move forward with the spirit of

27:24this, which is the transparency of the

27:26technology being used. But I would like

27:28Lynette to kind of if she would describe

27:31how this would work in the practical

27:33sense with the public safety commission.

27:35>> Um the public safety commission and I

27:37have the um

27:39distinction of serving as their um legal

27:42advisor. They meet monthly. They are

27:45advisory. There is nothing that is on

27:48their agenda that binds them or you uh

27:52to anything. I can tell you that last

27:55year when we had the version of the

27:57ordinance that did not pass,

27:59it was the recommendation of the public

28:02safety commission that this not be

28:05placed on a consent agenda. That it

28:08would always be something that would be

28:10for public um discussion. And so that

28:14came from them reviewing that draft. And

28:20their sole concern, and which was

28:23forwarded to all of you, and

28:26I would say was a good suggestion,

28:29was that it not be placed on consent

28:32agenda. And so those are the types of

28:34recommendations that they have. They

28:37also

28:38are a place for citizens to

28:41voice concerns and we

28:44forward those to all of you as well. And

28:47so again, the Public Safety Commission,

28:51they focus on a diversity of issues, not

28:53just police issues. Last this current

28:56month, they focused on code enforcement

28:58issues.

28:59They've dealt with school after school

29:01programs and making sure children get

29:03safely to Boys and Girls Clubs issues,

29:07just a variety of things. But they have

29:10proven and it's been my experience to be

29:12a very good sounding board of vetting of

29:16issues because they are

29:18citizens in the community, they hear

29:20from their neighbors, and they're able

29:22to

29:24you know, very orderly give information

29:27and recommendations that we then package

29:30and forward to you.

29:32>> Thank thank you.

29:34I appreciate that, but again, I think

29:36that

29:37if

29:38if you said what's the hot button other

29:41than data centers in Little Rock right

29:42now,

29:43is IT and this sort of thing. And why do

29:46I want to wait a month to hear about a

29:47problem

29:49if it has to go to your committee first.

29:51And I respect what you're doing, but I

29:54don't I'm not going to agree to this.

29:57>> And that is your prerogative.

29:58>> And yes, ma'am, I know.

30:03Thank you.

30:04>> Absolutely.

30:05>> Yeah.

30:06>> [clears throat]

30:07>> Miss Mayor, you were My next one is the

30:10Citizen New Technology Request Review

30:13Committee and I I read about it and I

30:16think I heard something about it last

30:18week, but I don't really remember what I

30:20heard, so you may have to refresh my

30:23memory about this.

30:25I mean, who constitutes it, who's on it,

30:27what what happens with it?

30:29>> So, it's composed of members of IT. At

30:33this moment, we have people from our

30:35networking side, from our app

30:37development side, from security. And

30:39what we're doing is we're looking

30:40through the apps to make sure it's a

30:42good fit.

30:43One that we could safely implement it,

30:45that we have the capacity to implement

30:47it, that it won't cause any problems.

30:50>> Is it Is there external people on it or

30:52is it just all internal?

30:53>> It's all internal.

30:54>> That's fine. Great.

31:01>> Thank you.

31:02>> [clears throat]

31:03>> Um

31:05on

31:09Give me pages.

31:10Section six.

31:13Uh

31:14B.

31:19>> Abdul, I think that's you again.

31:21>> What?

31:22Give that to the

31:23>> Director about

31:29Can you go over that for me?

31:31>> He needs to know uh section six.

31:33>> Oh, I'm glad it is is B section six.

31:38You have to section six is on one page

31:40and you have to go the B is on the next

31:42page.

31:42>> title of it, uh Director?

31:43>> It's uh limits on aggregation and

31:46network deployment.

31:49This is I thought of more of a police

31:51issue, not a

31:55IT issue.

31:58>> I guess the IT's

32:00>> The Lorac Police Department should not

32:01combine, cross-reference, or aggregate

32:03data from multiple surveillance

32:05technologies or networks of surveillance

32:07technologies with systems operated by

32:09other agencies or third parties in a

32:11manner that enables

32:13persistent or uh retrospective tracking

32:16of movements of individuals.

32:18>> Well, that's really speaking more to the

32:20use of technology. I wouldn't say it's

32:23necessarily IT, but from what I gather

32:26what he's saying is that you cannot

32:27combine multiple technology

32:30to get to a certain end result.

32:32>> Okay, but

32:34Chief, can you

32:35um

32:36talk about why why

32:37>> Beaudreaux.

32:39Or chief, whichever one.

32:40>> Whichever one.

32:43It seems like this would be something

32:45you'd want to be doing.

32:47I mean, I I I just this seems like

32:49something you you want to use

32:50everything.

32:51>> Sure. No, I agree.

32:52>> Be like me in medicine saying, "I don't

32:54want the CBC, but I'll take the basic

32:56profile."

32:58>> So,

32:58>> I don't want to make a diagnosis.

32:59>> Sure. So, to me the way that I read it

33:02is that we would not utilize our

33:04technologies and combine them together

33:05to essentially like create a dossier on

33:07an individual, which is a violation of

33:09their constitutional rights anyway. So,

33:12to me it is actually just stating

33:13something that we would already it would

33:15already be a violation of the law to do

33:20that if you did not have a lawful reason

33:22to be combining the information on a

33:24particular individual.

33:26>> And Director Computers, this is again a

33:28example where Chief Dyer has shared that

33:31they

33:33they've worked with Director Phillips

33:36and

33:38you're putting in writing what they

33:39already do.

33:41>> Okay. And while y'all are up there, um

33:45number C, board approval for persistent

33:47deployment.

33:51>> I will say that that was one that I I

33:54did ask if there was clarification on

33:57this one because to me I wasn't quite

33:59sure if that meant in an overall system

34:02or like when someone from a ward

34:06contacts us and asks for us to go put a

34:08camera up because of tire dumping or

34:09whatever it may be. I mean, those sorts

34:11of things happen pretty frequently.

34:14Um with the language that was currently

34:15in it, I wasn't certain would all of

34:18those sorts of decisions fall under

34:20that. And

34:22obviously this is this is your baby, so

34:25>> I I'm I'm I'm happy to uh jump in there.

34:28Trying to let Director Computers ask his

34:30questions, and I'll [clears throat]

34:31defer to the city attorney and deputy

34:33city attorney if I miss any of this.

34:35Um

34:37but

34:38again, the this is just going back to

34:40the spirit that the board knows what's

34:43happening and

34:46I did not intend this intend for this to

34:49limit how you get the where you get the

34:52place to technology. So if that's a

34:54concern then maybe we can reward it but

34:56that that wasn't the intent of this part

34:59of the ordinance.

35:01I see Chief Dyer his wheels are turning.

35:04Yeah, go ahead.

35:04>> that's we discussed that.

35:06>> Yeah, we did.

35:07>> [clears throat]

35:07>> And that's absolutely a concern. We

35:09can't come and ask permission every time

35:12we want to do something we discussed

35:14that as well.

35:14>> Right, that's what we that was in for

35:16the board's benefit there was language

35:18in there

35:19that was a bit more broader that we

35:21talked about that we took out of the

35:22ordinance about every time the police

35:24department make a decision do they have

35:26to come to the board and that was

35:28removed from the ordinance cuz I

35:29understood that to be an issue.

35:32I didn't consider 6C to fall under that

35:36same framework but if there's concern

35:39again, we we want to get this passed and

35:41we don't want small things on the

35:43margins to trip up the spirit of the

35:45ordinance. I don't want perfect to be in

35:48getting the way of good.

35:49>> I just want to make sure that it is

35:51completely understood whether it's you

35:53sitting in the seat or someone else

35:55at a later time that that's not what

35:58this is saying.

36:00So as long as that's understood

36:03we're still tracking.

36:05>> That is understood but I'll defer to the

36:06city attorney or deputy city attorney

36:08[clears throat] if they think we need to

36:10edit the language.

36:11>> Going back to my days as a criminal

36:13defense lawyer I'd be looking at this

36:15and saying, "Oh, you didn't get board

36:17approval that's an illegal search." Now

36:19>> Let me let me just step in. I I

36:21I track what Director Phillips is is

36:23sharing if people haven't figured it out

36:26just yet. He's willing to strike that.

36:28He's trying to get it passed everybody

36:30so

36:31strike he'll strike that.

36:33>> Right.

36:34And that and I think it may be important

36:35but I think that if you take a week or

36:37two and and rewrite it so we're not in

36:39trouble.

36:40Is what is my

36:41>> But Director Phillips I'm trying

36:43just serious track.

36:46The sentence was way broader.

36:48He worked with them. The attorneys who

36:51drafted it, not in Director Phillips,

36:53came up with this. If there's still a

36:55concern, his thing is just strike. It's

36:56not about reading anymore because it's

36:58not going to

37:00You can't finesse it anymore than it has

37:01been finessed.

37:02>> I Again, I'm I'm just

37:05>> Yeah. All right.

37:05Next question.

37:07>> Um

37:10on section 8 number A

37:17Can you tell me how we're going to do

37:19the public information meetings

37:20quarterly?

37:22Where they're going to be if these

37:23coincide with the ward meeting? What

37:26happens? How do you do this?

37:28>> Well, we have uh

37:30quarterly meetings

37:32uh that citizens are welcome to come to

37:34voice their opinions, their objections,

37:37talk about anything that's going on in

37:39the community that where there's a need.

37:41Um and we will have all of the numbers

37:45that are needed to answer any questions

37:48involving uh the technology that we

37:50have.

37:51>> This won't be This will be different

37:53from the the normal

37:55meetings that quarterly

37:59>> No. No. No. This will all be involved at

38:01the regular quarterly meetings, so we

38:03can just add this into the agenda for

38:06those.

38:09>> Believe it or not, that's all my

38:10questions.

38:11>> Woo! All right.

38:13Uh

38:14as we're doing that, just to keep

38:15everything efficient, what what I heard,

38:17Director Phillips, correct me if I'm

38:19wrong. Unless there's a at least from

38:21Director Computers' questions

38:23Director Phillips is willing to strike

38:266C completely as well as the public

38:28safety

38:29uh commission reference. Is that

38:31>> Which is is for the record, it's three

38:35section 3F and section 6C.

38:38>> All right. Just keeping track on the

38:40notes.

38:41You're willing We'll get to that process

38:43later, but you're willing to strike

38:45those tonight.

38:46>> Correct.

38:46>> All right.

38:48Director Peck.

38:49>> Thank you.

38:50And thank you Director Phillips thank

38:52you for bringing this back up to our

38:54attention. I appreciate it. Um I've also

38:57had a conversation with Chief Dyer. You

38:59know, I will never try to micromanage

39:01the police and not let them have the

39:03tools they need to keep us all safe. And

39:06we had a very good and open and honest

39:07conversation. I support this. I had a

39:10couple of questions. Dean asked them. Uh

39:13I In reading this, obviously, I'm not

39:15good with legalese. I thought this uh

39:18new technology request review committee

39:20was citizens and that

39:22I Now, I understand that. And so, that

39:25sounds good. The other thing was I was

39:27concerned are we having another meeting?

39:28But, you answered the question that this

39:30would be at the regular Northwest

39:32>> ma'am.

39:33>> So, my questions were answered. So,

39:34thanks Director Phillips.

39:35>> Thank you. Thank you, Director Peck.

39:37Director Lewis.

39:39>> Thank you. Um yes, ditto to uh Director

39:42Phillips for bringing this back. So, to

39:45reiterate, can you go over the numbers?

39:48Because it's twofold. I was concerned

39:50about the community having input,

39:52getting information as they would like.

39:54So, I know quarterly meetings, but is

39:56there anywhere else outside of this

39:59where they can see the reports? I think

40:01we talked last week about a monthly um

40:03report being available online or

40:05something.

40:06>> Well, well, we And I'll defer to both

40:08chiefs that stand in front of the

40:10They have implemented a monthly audit.

40:13Um the police department I guess that

40:15passed Y'all decided that a month or two

40:17ago.

40:18>> Yes.

40:19>> Yep. And before [clears throat] is And I

40:21know there are state law requirements

40:24that they have to do 6 months of

40:26production of LPR under state law. Is

40:28that right?

40:29Chief Booth You look So, there are other

40:32interim information that's out there,

40:34but what's presented to the board and

40:36presented online will be annually. And

40:39to Director Peck's point, um

40:42I don't I'm not trying to hamstring

40:44police department either. So, I'm not

40:45trying to overload on how much

40:47additional work that needs to be done.

40:50So, I thought annually would be

40:52sufficient. And then quarterly at the

40:54meetings that they're already doing,

40:56they can share that information with the

40:57public.

40:59So, to me that was the

41:00proverbial happy medium of getting the

41:03information out there without putting

41:05too much of a burden on the police

41:06department.

41:07>> And that sounds good, but if any event

41:09if something was to occur, we would have

41:12that knowledge. That information where

41:13we can handle it at time.

41:15In between the quarterly

41:18I can request it, right?

41:19>> That's That's the magic word.

41:21>> And then the next thing, [clears throat]

41:22do you mind talking about the stats?

41:25Mayor brought it up last week about how

41:27we have few occurrences where the Flock

41:31is being misused. Out of so many

41:33instances, we've only had what? Four? I

41:36think that needs to be shared because

41:38there's so much negativity about it. Can

41:40we just talk about what Little Rock does

41:42and what our numbers are when it comes

41:44to really how many times are we talking

41:46about it has been misused?

41:48>> So,

41:51I don't think it's Well, I'm not trying

41:53to be disrespectful.

41:55Um

41:56>> [clears throat]

41:56>> the amount of times

41:58that it's being misused is really not

42:01the important part of that.

42:03What's the The important part of that is

42:05the number of officers that are misusing

42:08it. Okay? So, when we look at that, we

42:12have somewhere around 500 officers. 294

42:17of those officers have the ability to

42:19utilize Flock. Okay? We have three

42:24out of 294

42:26that have the ability that have misused

42:29Flock

42:31that are being that are under

42:32investigation at this time for that. Um

42:36we have looked at that

42:38uh in length, and that's where we are

42:40right now.

42:42Um and I think because there's such uh

42:46so many eyes on this now,

42:48um it's going to be a minute before we

42:51have this issue again.

42:53Uh so, that's where we are. Those three

42:56may have used it

42:57five, six times, whatever the number is.

43:00But, we're talking about three people

43:02out of 294.

43:04>> That's good to see.

43:05>> So, it's not it's not an issue, even

43:07though each occurrence is an issue.

43:09>> Right.

43:10>> And we're handling it

43:11as such.

43:12>> of our force.

43:13>> Absolutely not, ma'am. I'm not even not

43:15even close to a majority.

43:17>> Thank you.

43:19>> [clears throat]

43:20>> All right. Director Hines.

43:22>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh

43:24I'm just going to

43:25give my statement. I'm perfectly happy

43:27to vote on this tonight, so that's why I

43:29didn't object. Uh

43:31I I just want to point out that LRPD has

43:32more oversight than any other department

43:36in

43:37our city

43:38through general orders, state statutes,

43:41federal law, the US Constitution, and

43:43Supreme Court decisions.

43:45The whole issue with Flock cameras, the

43:47only reason we're able to use them is a

43:48Supreme Court decision that

43:52the expectation of privacy does not

43:53extend to public streets, and that's why

43:55we're essentially able to use them to

43:59monitor when we have an event and be

44:01able to to detect stolen cars, that type

44:04of stuff.

44:05Um

44:07you know, I just feel that this really

44:09isn't transparency. It's a It's

44:12way too long, and it was suggested that

44:14maybe if Director Phillips would, you

44:17know, remove everything that's

44:20not already in our general orders, state

44:21statutes, federal law, US Constitution,

44:24we might be able to get it down to two

44:25pages.

44:26Uh the comment that that that came out

44:29later from

44:31Director Phillips,

44:33and this is something I learned early on

44:35in my college career, economics

44:36professors talk about unintended

44:38consequences of legislation.

44:40And though it may feel good and sound

44:42good on its face, what are the

44:44unintended consequences? And when you

44:46say small things on the margins

44:49are

44:51when you say that, you know, we don't

44:53want that small things on the margins in

44:54this ordinance

44:56derail passing this ordinance. That's

44:58exactly

44:59where we should be concentrating because

45:01those

45:02small things on the margins are where

45:04unintended consequences of bad

45:05legislation happen. And uh

45:09you know, I think

45:10to me it it's it's not transparency.

45:12It's way too complicated and cumbersome.

45:15It's 10 pages.

45:16It's already duplicating what we're

45:18already doing.

45:19Um and you know, I just there's a lot of

45:23things here.

45:24The other thing I want to point out is

45:26how many years have we been on Flock or

45:28using Flock cameras?

45:30>> Since 2018.

45:32>> Since 2018.

45:34>> Okay. So, many years. And now we've had

45:37and to my knowledge, the whole reason

45:40that we even detected the potential

45:42misuse, which is still under

45:43investigation, is the Flock technology

45:46itself and their own auditing system

45:49helped flag this for us. Correct? Or was

45:51it our own internal? I'm just trying to

45:53clarify.

45:54>> In the most recent instances, yes, Flock

45:57is the one who indicated that there was

45:59potential activity that should be looked

46:01at. Yes, sir.

46:02>> And then we've gone from

46:04part of our we were reviewing our own

46:06audits every quarterly, now we're going

46:09to monthly.

46:09>> Correct.

46:10>> it even tighter hold.

46:11>> Yes, sir.

46:11>> And and to me that that's responsible

46:14policing. It's responsible oversight.

46:16And it's why I don't think that this

46:19ordinance is necessary for what we're

46:20already doing. And it And to me it it

46:23seems to tie your hands even more from a

46:25department that to my you know, that

46:28probably has more sight than any

46:29department I do. I would uh

46:31you know, really

46:33appreciate more oversight of other

46:35departments we're spending way more

46:36money on when we deploy it and being

46:39more I think if we started being this

46:41nitpicky with some of our other

46:43departments, we might as be spending

46:45city and taxpayer funds more reasonably.

46:48The other point I will take in

46:50contention with with our uh

46:55deputy city attorney,

46:57uh

46:57just because something's on consent

46:59agenda, it does not mean it's not open

47:01for public comment. Consent agendas can

47:03be changed. Any one of us on this dais

47:06can ask a consent agenda item be moved

47:09to separate items. And to to say that

47:11it's not We have people come up here and

47:13make comments on consent agenda items

47:15all the time. So, just because

47:17something's on a consent agenda, it is

47:20open for public comment. We're publicly

47:22discussing it here. And to to to me, it

47:24just doesn't seem correct that that uh

47:28because it's on consent agenda, it's

47:29getting less less scrutiny than than is

47:32something we put at separate items and

47:33we have this board. But that for that

47:35reason,

47:36uh I'm perfectly happy to hear this

47:37ordinance and I will not be supporting

47:39it. Thank you.

47:41>> Director

47:41>> Can I respond to Director Hines?

47:43>> Yes.

47:44>> Um so, I would say that um this is not

47:48duplication, this is codification for a

47:51lot of different areas of the ordinance.

47:53You already have dialogue. You mentioned

47:55that a lot of these things we're already

47:56doing. This is just putting it into

47:58ordinance form um with a few additions.

48:01Secondly, as relates to being on the

48:03margins, I was being respectful and

48:06responsive to my colleagues. And they

48:09and by agreeing to remove those things,

48:11so we don't have unintended

48:13consequences. Director Hines, so the

48:15things that you're

48:16say you were concerned about have

48:18already been addressed. Um and then

48:21thirdly, and this is for the public

48:23listening, cuz I can imagine what my

48:26text message is going to be like um

48:28afterwards. Um

48:31I I I I didn't look at all the rules

48:34that you highlighted that are you said

48:37make the Little Rock Police Department

48:38the most uh the department with the most

48:41oversight.

48:42But police department also has the most

48:44responsibility.

48:46And I think people in the city of Little

48:48Rock also would believe that because,

48:53you know, with responsibility,

48:55it comes other things that come along

48:57with it. And this is part of it is a

48:59transparency

49:01Um

49:01and I'll lastly say

49:04we spend more money with the police

49:05department than we do any other

49:07department. We say that every year in

49:09our budget.

49:10So to try to equate this

49:13being expensive compared to other

49:16departments I think it's just a

49:17misnomer. But ultimately

49:20I will end by saying

49:23reiterate this is a codification of a

49:25lot of things that the police department

49:27is doing. We're being responsive to our

49:29constituents and make sure there is

49:31transparency

49:33and it if I understand from the chief

49:35said there they're they're not opposed

49:38to this. So I think that's a big deal.

49:40I'm not here to get a thumbs up but long

49:43as I don't get a thumbs down from the

49:44police department I think we moved in a

49:46better place than we were this time a

49:48year ago.

49:49Is that fair Chief Dyer?

49:50>> It is.

49:51>> Okay.

49:52So thank thank you Mayor.

49:55>> Thank you. Director Icott.

49:56>> Yes.

49:57>> Director Miller.

49:58>> Who did you work with on this?

50:02>> Who did I work with on it?

50:03>> This ordinance.

50:04>> Mhm.

50:05>> That's before us. I mean you're acting

50:08chief and lieutenant the same question

50:10for you. Was this brought to you after

50:13it was written or did they work with you

50:15on this writing this?

50:17>> It was brought to us after it was

50:18written.

50:19>> After it was written and lieutenant?

50:24>> I'm sure. Yes ma'am this was provided to

50:28me by Chief Miller after he had received

50:30it.

50:31>> Okay and I would have thought that you

50:33two would have been some of the people

50:35writing this.

50:37Also Mr. Carpenter

50:39I'd like to know

50:41your part in writing this please.

50:45>> After the drafts were written I made a

50:48few comments one of which was mentioned

50:51tonight because it was included within

50:54there.

50:55My chief deputy Miss Perret Miss uh

50:59yeah Miss Perret

51:00>> [laughter]

51:02>> did the yeoman's work in getting things

51:04together. Uh

51:06uh as as was alluded to earlier,

51:10many provisions here, the definitions,

51:12for example, are taken straight from the

51:14straight act state act. Uh other

51:16provisions in here

51:19uh are taken

51:21uh from the state act,

51:22which is a means of

51:25making sure that everybody knows this is

51:27what we're going to do.

51:29>> Okay, so a lot of this is just

51:33as Dr. Hines said, it's already state

51:36statute and already enacted.

51:39>> A lot of it a lot of it is um

51:43um

51:46for example, uh

51:47section 5C deal, which is on page five,

51:51deals with the retention and destruction

51:54of documents,

51:55but it also

51:58goes on to explain how data can be

52:00retained according to a state statutory

52:03provision.

52:04Um

52:12everybody is supposed to know the law.

52:15That's what we think,

52:17but they don't.

52:20Even good police chiefs don't know all

52:22the law.

52:23And so the concept of having

52:26an ordinance that says, "Here's the

52:29statute, and we're not going to ignore

52:31it, and we're not going to forget it."

52:34is not unusual for board of directors.

52:38Um

52:41um

52:42A few years ago, we came up with some

52:45very specific guidelines as to how we

52:48would make financial reports.

52:51And the material that went into that

52:53original ordinance

52:55was basically all from state statutes or

52:58constitutional provisions. It was

53:00amended uh about 2 years ago

53:03uh

53:04because of how it was operating, uh but

53:07it was still based on the same thing.

53:09So, I think what Director Phillips is

53:13doing is saying,

53:15you know, yeah, we know it's in the

53:16statute books, but we're making it clear

53:19within the city of Little Rock anybody

53:22that's dealing in this area knows that

53:24the statute's there, and it's got to be

53:26complied with. And

53:28and there won't be any tolerance on

53:30that.

53:31>> Chief, what is surveillance technology?

53:34Because when I asked a couple police

53:36officers to look at this, they said that

53:39this was not really

53:40surveillance. What is surveillance?

53:45>> [clears throat]

53:46>> I I would defer to the definition in the

53:49ordinance that I I wouldn't have the

53:51authority to to

53:54change that if if this were the

53:56definition, which looks like you wrote

53:58that, so

53:59I'll let you handle it.

54:01>> And also, so that you understand the

54:03kind of the evolution of what is before

54:06you is that we first started with what

54:09was the 2025 version that came before

54:12the board.

54:14The state legislature passed new law, so

54:16the very first wave of of draft was to

54:21incorporate everything that had occurred

54:24in state law since the original draft.

54:28Then, we took it internally having our

54:31police department, having IT.

54:34And so, there were red lines, there were

54:38blue lines. The director also had some

54:41suggestions, and so this version is

54:44probably

54:45I would say

54:47version six or seven

54:50from what you saw in 2025

54:53to what is before you today.

54:56And one of the things that was very

54:58specific was the definitions.

55:01And in section 2B, it defines

55:05surveillance technology means any

55:07electronic device system or software

55:11used to collect retain process or

55:13analyze data about individuals or their

55:15movements for law

55:18enforcement purposes whether or not

55:20designed primarily for that purpose

55:22including automatic license plate reader

55:25systems acoustic gunshot detection

55:29detection systems facial recognition

55:32systems unmanned aerial systems drones

55:36cell site simulators social media

55:39monitoring tools and camera systems

55:42incorporating automated analytic

55:44capabilities.

55:46And then we in that same subsections we

55:49says what it is not.

55:51It does not include standard patrol

55:54vehicle equipment. It does not include

55:57officer body worn cameras and dashboard

55:59cameras. It does not include routine

56:02communication systems. It does not

56:04include facility security cameras that

56:06do not incorporate automatic analytic

56:09capabilities such as license plate or

56:11facial recognition.

56:13It does not include standard office and

56:15administrative technology and it does

56:17not include electronic devices in active

56:20use for undercover investigations or

56:22court-ordered surveillance. And so those

56:25definitions are

56:27in the ordinance.

56:31>> Thank you. Thank you.

56:34I think that this is

56:36too much.

56:39As uh Dean said, we saw for a few

56:42minutes last week.

56:44I think that this needs to be in more

56:46detail and everything.

56:49I will not vote to have this passed

56:51tonight because I think it's pushing it

56:53too fast. The police officers I've

56:55talked to,

56:57they had no idea what this was and what

56:59we're doing.

57:01Uh Chief, I don't know if you've had

57:03meetings with your officers, how far

57:06down the ranks it's gone,

57:08but I think anything this important

57:10that's like 11 12 pages long

57:14that I [clears throat] think this should

57:15be more time given to it.

57:20>> Well,

57:21the one thing that I will say about that

57:23is that No, no, ma'am. We we have not

57:27gone deep into the ranks with this.

57:30I will also say that I have spoken to

57:33the representation

57:35of the officers that serve this city.

57:39And we have spoken spoken about this

57:41after uh I had the meeting with Director

57:45Phillips. Um and we came to an agreement

57:48of why this was

57:51needed at this time or being considered.

57:55Um there was no disagreement there. So,

57:58where

57:59it may not have gone we personally, the

58:02command staff, have not gone deep into

58:05the ranks.

58:06Uh the representation for the rank and

58:09file uh I have spoken with.

58:13>> I attended uh most of the quality

58:15meetings.

58:17We have

58:18>> [clears throat]

58:18>> this this last time this group with you

58:21side was the lowest number of citizens

58:24I've seen at those meetings.

58:27And I would like for something like this

58:30to have more time out there with the

58:32public and with the police officers,

58:34particularly the street police officers.

58:37I don't want to sit up here making laws

58:40that

58:41telling them to have better to do their

58:43job. I want them to be part of the

58:46of the process.

58:49Thank you.

58:53>> Director Miller.

58:55Then Director Pearsall, then Director

58:56Phillips.

58:57>> Thank you, Mayor. [clears throat]

59:00I just have some general thoughts and

59:03maybe a question or two and this may be

59:06for the LRPD as well as our legal team.

59:09Uh as I understand it,

59:12what I'm reading here is the General

59:13Assembly has enacted the automatic

59:16automatic license plate reader system

59:19act. This law was already in place.

59:22And what this

59:24does is set

59:26comprehensive restrictions on the use,

59:29retention, sharing, and disclosure of

59:31data generated by automatic data license

59:35plate reader systems. So, we have that

59:39information is currently being captured.

59:43So, does it break it out? Does this

59:46law require that each jurisdiction that

59:49uses

59:51this technology

59:53disclose this information?

59:56Or

59:58as this act says,

1:00:01this disclosure it this information is

1:00:03being disclosed somewhere. So, I'm

1:00:05trying to determine, since there's

1:00:07already a law, where is this information

1:00:10being disclosed?

1:00:12>> I'll answer you in a sec.

1:00:15>> Can you tell me what section is I don't

1:00:17want to start to answer your question

1:00:18and be talking up the wrong

1:00:20>> I'm I'm looking I'm looking at the first

1:00:22page. I'm looking at line 19, which is a

1:00:26whereas the Arkansas General Assembly

1:00:30enacted

1:00:32the automatic license plate reader

1:00:36system act. So, there is a law.

1:00:39>> Correct.

1:00:39>> State law. State law in place. So, does

1:00:42that state law require each jurisdiction

1:00:45that has this technology to disclose

1:00:48this information already?

1:00:50>> So, there is a section cuz if you look,

1:00:53it's talking about I believe between

1:00:551801 to to 808, there's several

1:00:57different parts of that statute. So,

1:00:59there are definitions and and there is

1:01:01one that discusses a bi-annual

1:01:04a report that we must create that

1:01:06includes data obtained over a 6-month

1:01:09period. And that is data that is

1:01:11required, whether it's us or any other

1:01:14state agency that utilizes a license

1:01:16plate reader system, they are required

1:01:18by law to complete that report.

1:01:21>> So, we So, this is supposed to be

1:01:23disclosed.

1:01:25So, I mean, I What I'm hearing, and of

1:01:27course, I think the board probably hears

1:01:29this, too.

1:01:31We We're not immune to what's been

1:01:33happening with license plate readers

1:01:36nationally, and certainly within the

1:01:39state where some jurisdictions are

1:01:42trying to get rid of it, and voting to

1:01:43get rid of it. But, we have a state law

1:01:46here that says this information has to

1:01:48be disclosed, and I'm wondering, where

1:01:51is it being disclosed? I didn't know

1:01:53anything about it.

1:01:54>> So, I don't have that state statute in

1:01:56front of me to

1:01:57refer back to that disclosure language,

1:01:59but I can tell you that this report

1:02:01that's required by the statute is

1:02:03created by the Little Rock Police

1:02:04Department. It's maintained for the

1:02:0618-month period that is required by

1:02:07state law, and when it is requested via

1:02:10FOI, it is it's given out. It's

1:02:12requested

1:02:14weekly, if not monthly, and it's

1:02:16received every time.

1:02:18>> So, someone has to

1:02:21I'm trying I'm trying to go somewhere.

1:02:23Uh

1:02:25So, you have to

1:02:28request this through a FOI?

1:02:31I mean, this information is just not

1:02:34publicly disclosed since it's required?

1:02:37>> Director Miller, I think it's We have to

1:02:39submit it twice a year, correct?

1:02:41>> So, I know I've heard the terminology

1:02:42submitted. There is no state agency that

1:02:44I submit this document to. Our team

1:02:46creates it, and it is retained in our

1:02:49records, and it's released when it's

1:02:51requested.

1:02:52>> for the state, but I'm I'm going to have

1:02:54to defer to the city attorney.

1:02:55>> So, maybe somebody can Anybody answer

1:02:58that question for me? If we have got to

1:03:02be in compliance with this state law,

1:03:06where is this information being

1:03:09disclosed?

1:03:11Disclosure of data. Where Where Where is

1:03:13that?

1:03:14>> That the Arkansas in my my office there.

1:03:17>> Mhm.

1:03:19>> Thank you, uh

1:03:20>> Director Miller.

1:03:20>> acting

1:03:22Mayor Hines.

1:03:25Um

1:03:25>> [laughter]

1:03:25>> I will I will yield to the seat.

1:03:30>> Uh but under Arkansas code 12-12-1805,

1:03:33which is in that 801 to 808 section that

1:03:35you mentioned, uh Director Miller, it

1:03:38says that this information shall be

1:03:40preserved in a format sufficient to

1:03:42allow the general public to review the

1:03:44compiled data. So, it's not submitted as

1:03:48Beulah just mentioned, it's preserved

1:03:51that if it's requested, it is produced.

1:03:53>> All right, I'm going somewhere.

1:03:55>> All right, okay.

1:03:56>> So,

1:03:56so

1:03:57So, what I'm saying

1:04:00How come can we just on our own

1:04:04make this information available to the

1:04:06public on our own?

1:04:07>> Well, I I would say, Director Miller,

1:04:09and as the sponsor of the ordinance,

1:04:11this ordinance does that where that

1:04:13information will be part of our annual

1:04:15>> I'm going somewhere.

1:04:16>> Okay, I'm sorry.

1:04:17>> Sorry, I'm going somewhere. I mean,

1:04:19because that's what I'm getting at. This

1:04:21information

1:04:23is being retained already.

1:04:26Um it's has restrictions on the use,

1:04:30retention, sharing, disclosure. It has

1:04:33all that. We just have not been making

1:04:36this available. So, this ordinance, as

1:04:40I'm reading it, would require us to make

1:04:42this public. This is already public.

1:04:45Anybody can already get it at this

1:04:46point. This is just saying that we will

1:04:49do that. And and certainly on section

1:04:53seven, enhanced transparency reporting,

1:04:56section eight about annual technology

1:04:58report,

1:05:01that's going to be in addition to I'm

1:05:05I'm seeing about maybe eight little

1:05:08sentences, additional information.

1:05:11I don't know how onerous that is. It

1:05:13doesn't appear to be,

1:05:15but if we're collecting this information

1:05:18already, I mean, I I fully support this

1:05:21ordinance, maybe a little tweaking on

1:05:22it, but

1:05:25we need to disclose this information.

1:05:28And what I'm hearing is that we have it,

1:05:31but unless somebody asks for it, they

1:05:33don't see it.

1:05:35And in the interest of being fully just

1:05:37transparent to the public, we're already

1:05:39doing it. We're already capturing it. It

1:05:42already talks about disclosure and how

1:05:44we're using it.

1:05:46Uh

1:05:47I'm looking for a ordinance, and I think

1:05:49Director Phillips, your ordinance sort

1:05:51of gets to this,

1:05:52that will allow this information, will

1:05:54say this information will be disclosed

1:05:57to the public

1:05:58on a regular basis. This is already

1:06:00being captured already.

1:06:02What What am I missing here,

1:06:04uh Chief, about this information that

1:06:07we're already collecting anyway by state

1:06:08law?

1:06:10>> You're missing nothing. But the deal is

1:06:12this, and I need for everybody to

1:06:14understand this.

1:06:17We are the capital city police

1:06:19department.

1:06:21So, to me, that means that we're the

1:06:23brightest and the best, for me.

1:06:26We don't mind doing what we need to do

1:06:29to make sure that the citizens that we

1:06:31serve have full

1:06:34full confidence in what we do. We're not

1:06:36trying to hide anything.

1:06:39You have to understand that that takes

1:06:40time. It takes uh uh uh uh

1:06:44It takes manpower

1:06:46or staffing to do the things that you

1:06:48are requesting that we do. We don't have

1:06:50a problem with it.

1:06:52We want We collect these things for a

1:06:55reason.

1:06:57So, when it is brought up and it's asked

1:07:00of us,

1:07:01we can provide it. If there is a request

1:07:05>> [snorts]

1:07:05>> in this ordinance,

1:07:07if there is a request for us to do the

1:07:09things that you're bringing up, uh

1:07:13Director,

1:07:14we're going to do that. So, understand

1:07:17that. We are wanting to do and provide

1:07:21those things that are required for us to

1:07:24do and provide.

1:07:25>> Okay.

1:07:25>> Now,

1:07:26>> [clears throat]

1:07:26>> as I read it's it's a law already.

1:07:29>> Yes, sir.

1:07:29>> We've already got to

1:07:32there's already comprehensive

1:07:33restrictions on the use,

1:07:34>> Yes.

1:07:36>> retention, sharing, and disclosure of

1:07:38data

1:07:39generated by these automated

1:07:42license plate readers.

1:07:44We already got that. We already have to

1:07:46have that information. So, we're not

1:07:48asking you as the city board

1:07:51to do this.

1:07:53The law says the

1:07:54law already states you have to do it.

1:07:56So, it's we're not asking you to do

1:07:58this.

1:07:59You got to do this anyway.

1:08:01Now, what we're asking is maybe a little

1:08:03enhancement to this.

1:08:05Because we're hearing from the public

1:08:08about

1:08:10license plate readers. And I mean, we'd

1:08:13be tone-deaf

1:08:15as a city board not to hear what's going

1:08:18on.

1:08:19So, I want to make sure number one that

1:08:21the public knows about this act

1:08:23already because I don't think they do.

1:08:25Okay? Cuz it's doing a lot of the stuff

1:08:27that we say we want to do.

1:08:29Uh uh they want us to do. We're already

1:08:31doing it. We have to do it. We're not

1:08:33asking you as a board to do it. The

1:08:35state says you have to do it. So, you

1:08:37already got this information.

1:08:40Additional information, your

1:08:41requirements, the state says you have to

1:08:43do it. So, you already have it.

1:08:46What this ordinance is doing

1:08:49on the enhanced transparency is adding

1:08:51just a few other sections to this, a few

1:08:54other things. And that's

1:08:57kind of what I want you to

1:08:59maybe hone in on this annual technology

1:09:03report.

1:09:05If this is asking you to do some things

1:09:11that this law

1:09:14already requires that you do. It looks

1:09:15like it's just a few extra little things

1:09:19that it's asking you to do. That's all.

1:09:21Uh items 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 and 8.

1:09:28If you take a look at that, I guess page

1:09:307 of 11, section 7, enhanced

1:09:33transparency reporting, annual

1:09:35technology report. Because the state's

1:09:38already saying you're catching all this

1:09:40information anyway. The public just

1:09:41needs to see it.

1:09:43I didn't know about this. I mean, I I

1:09:45learn something all the time.

1:09:47Uh

1:09:48but

1:09:49I think it needs to be disclosed. And if

1:09:52this ordinance will say disclose it,

1:09:56it's already being captured. Just make

1:09:58it available.

1:09:59Just make it available on a

1:10:03specific time period per an ordinance

1:10:06like this. Director Phillips, I'd

1:10:08certainly support your ordinance. Maybe

1:10:10a little tweaking on this, but the

1:10:13the law is pretty clear

1:10:15that this information has to be

1:10:17captured, disclosed, restrictions.

1:10:21We need to make sure the public sees it.

1:10:23And I think a ordinance like this would

1:10:25allow

1:10:26the public to see it. We hear the

1:10:28public.

1:10:30And this will put it

1:10:32in an ordinance.

1:10:33>> Correct.

1:10:35>> Okay. What am I missing, Director

1:10:36Phillips?

1:10:37>> Yeah, I think uh Chief Dyer said it

1:10:39correctly. You're You're missing

1:10:40nothing. On this one, Director Miller,

1:10:41you may be missing other things.

1:10:42>> Well, I

1:10:43>> But on this one, you're missing nothing.

1:10:45>> Thank you.

1:10:46Thanks.

1:10:47>> Uh all right, Director Lewis.

1:10:48>> I would think so. Listening to all of

1:10:50this, I just want to clarify that.

1:10:52So, now that

1:10:53this is going to be discussed in the

1:10:55quarterly meetings, this information can

1:10:58be included in the info that is made

1:11:01available after the quarterly meetings.

1:11:04That's how the community will get it.

1:11:07>> I don't have a problem with that.

1:11:09>> That's all I'm saying. It will be made

1:11:11available in addition to the information

1:11:14that is provided on a quarterly basis by

1:11:17the police already. Director

1:11:19>> Yeah, and I I think Director Lewis and

1:11:20Director Miller, the spirit of this is

1:11:22to as much as possible complement what

1:11:25they were already doing, not add a whole

1:11:28lot of additional burden. We're already

1:11:30meeting quarterly, so let's do it

1:11:31quarterly.

1:11:33The state law says you got to do it

1:11:34twice a year. How about you just put

1:11:36that together and give us one report.

1:11:38So, this is not

1:11:40we're we're complementing what's been in

1:11:42existence and being responsible to our

1:11:44constituents at the same time.

1:11:46>> That's what I was going to say. Perfect.

1:11:48Thank you.

1:11:49>> Director Computers and Director Hines

1:11:51and

1:11:52Director Miller will

1:11:53>> [clears throat]

1:11:54>> But one thing I left out. Antoine, in

1:11:57your thing there's a typo in section

1:11:59seven.

1:12:01One that I think it's supposed to either

1:12:03go to six or eight, but you can look at

1:12:05that and figure that out.

1:12:09>> We can get that in the

1:12:10in Director Hines.

1:12:13>> So, one other question. Does ACIC

1:12:16qualify as surveillance technology

1:12:18or is it covered under different state

1:12:20statute?

1:12:29>> Because we use ACIC every day.

1:12:33>> I So

1:12:34>> Every officer in our department uses

1:12:36>> and and

1:12:36>> And there's consequences if they violate

1:12:39if there's consequences if they violate

1:12:42just like the consequences we have for

1:12:44violating our LP reader technology

1:12:47policies. We have an ACIC policy that's

1:12:49in

1:12:50grained in state statute and we also

1:12:52have departmental general orders and

1:12:55punishments that come with

1:12:57using ACIC, correct?

1:12:59>> Correct. I would not interpret their

1:13:01definition of surveillance technology to

1:13:04include ACIC.

1:13:06>> Correct. But But would you say that we

1:13:09treat our surveillance technology

1:13:11already like ACIC?

1:13:14>> I would say within our policies, yes.

1:13:17Yes.

1:13:17>> Okay. That's all I need. Thank you.

1:13:20All right. Um

1:13:22Oh, sorry.

1:13:23Lieutenant Bailey, would you tell

1:13:25Director Lewis what ACIC is?

1:13:27>> Yes, ma'am. So, ACIC is the repository

1:13:30for like when you go to get your

1:13:32driver's license or when you register

1:13:33your vehicle, it's also where we retain

1:13:36information about stolen vehicles,

1:13:38stolen weapons, individuals with

1:13:39warrants, and it's administered by its

1:13:41own state agency, ACIC, and they work

1:13:45um under NCIC, which is the federal

1:13:48branch in the FBI.

1:13:51>> Uh Mayor, if I may, this kind of a

1:13:53procedural question.

1:13:55Uh go ahead, I'm sorry.

1:13:56>> I'm trying to get us get us home, guys.

1:13:59>> All right.

1:14:00What we heard Director Compierce um

1:14:03clearly, what I heard Director Compierce

1:14:06is that he was amenable after he got his

1:14:08questions answered to move forward from

1:14:10the reading standpoint. We clearly know

1:14:12where Director Hines is on the voting

1:14:14standpoint, but he also did not vote no

1:14:16earlier, so we can move move forward

1:14:19with the reading process cuz we'll have

1:14:21>> No, you can't.

1:14:22>> I'm I'm

1:14:23>> Point of order.

1:14:23>> Okay.

1:14:24>> On that, would be that

1:14:26we've already had a motion, a second,

1:14:28and

1:14:28>> I'll tell you.

1:14:30Somebody, Tom, what would be the

1:14:31procedure?

1:14:32>> Somebody has moved to expunge the vote.

1:14:35So, you could have the first vote again,

1:14:37and then you would have to have eight

1:14:38votes to move forward to the second

1:14:40reading.

1:14:41>> And so, what I'm asking, just before we

1:14:43go through all of that, and thank you

1:14:44for your point of order, Director Hines,

1:14:46before we go through all of that,

1:14:48what I'll If we were able to get a

1:14:50expunged vote from a friendly expunged

1:14:52vote from Director Hines,

1:14:55what I heard from Director Compierce

1:14:58is that

1:15:00um he would like Section 3F

1:15:04>> [snorts]

1:15:04>> struck

1:15:06as well as 6C. Is that correct, Director

1:15:09Compierce? That's the

1:15:11Yeah, I I wrote it down. It's the Public

1:15:13Safety Committee.

1:15:14You want that out of there, and the 6C

1:15:17is the

1:15:18the language which was brought

1:15:22Yeah.

1:15:23That's what I Well, heard as far as

1:15:25anything that would be stricken from

1:15:28um

1:15:29this process. Is that correct, Director

1:15:31Compierce? Just want to get a nod of

1:15:32approval.

1:15:34All right.

1:15:35Is it Are you friendly to that? Assuming

1:15:37we can get a sponge vote tonight. And

1:15:39then what we would need

1:15:40>> Yes. Once we move from expunge vote,

1:15:42then we would need a friendly amendment.

1:15:44I'm just going through the process. And

1:15:46then after friendly amendment, then we

1:15:47would go through the readings all over

1:15:49again.

1:15:49>> Understood, Mayor. Yes, I'm agreeing.

1:15:52>> What If you get the expunge vote

1:15:54>> on the

1:15:56>> on going to the second reading,

1:15:58then you take that vote. If there are

1:16:01eight votes, you go to the second

1:16:03reading. At that time, you can make the

1:16:05friendly amendment.

1:16:07And you don't have to read it three more

1:16:08times. You can then read it third time.

1:16:11If you don't get eight votes, you can't

1:16:13go to the second reading and you can't

1:16:14do the amendments.

1:16:15>> All right. Director Acock, you want to

1:16:17say something?

1:16:17>> Yes.

1:16:18I'm going to be voting no to go with the

1:16:20second reading. I think this will give

1:16:23the public a chance to hear this

1:16:25tonight. And if they have questions that

1:16:28they might want to come forward with,

1:16:29that would give them in 2 weeks to come

1:16:32with those questions. And then we would

1:16:34have the second vote.

1:16:36>> Thank you for sharing that. Still going

1:16:37back to our our parliamentarian, if we

1:16:39expunge the vote, even though that you

1:16:41will probably vote second, what I want

1:16:44to do is go ahead uh get the amended

1:16:47language involved. So, is that possible?

1:16:50>> No, you'd have to be on second reading

1:16:52to do the amendment. You've already had

1:16:53your first reading.

1:16:55>> Okay.

1:16:56So, we'll

1:16:57Is there

1:17:00Director uh Phillips, how do you want to

1:17:01proceed?

1:17:02>> Well, the If I understand what the city

1:17:04attorney is saying, there's nothing to

1:17:05do because we can't move to second

1:17:08without eight votes. There's only eight

1:17:09here. Director Acock says she's a no.

1:17:12So, at most it would be seven. So, you

1:17:14can't get to the second reading even if

1:17:15you expunge the vote. So, we might as

1:17:17well just wait till next week.

1:17:20Is that Do I understand it correctly?

1:17:22>> That's correct. And for my

1:17:24clarification,

1:17:25we need to go back and find the

1:17:27typographical error, but we also need to

1:17:29cut those two sections and renumber.

1:17:31>> Correct.

1:17:31>> Okay.

1:17:33>> So, that uh with with that

1:17:34>> That being said, I'll I'll make a motion

1:17:35to go to the executive session.

1:17:36>> All right, there's a motion to go to

1:17:37executive session. Is there a second?

1:17:39All those in favor please say aye. All

1:17:40those opposed please say nay. Ayes have

1:17:42it. We're going to recess.

1:18:02No action

1:18:03>> Second.

1:18:04>> Is there a motion to adjourn?

1:18:06>> Second.

1:18:07>> All those in favor please say aye. All

1:18:08those opposed please say nay. Ayes have

1:18:09it. Meeting adjourned.

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