2026-10-14 - Board of Supervisors
Summary
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- The meeting opened with an invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance. A revised draft of the September 23 minutes was received for approval.
- The County Administrator reported on county-hosted events (a fall festival, farm tours and a professional golf tournament), the next Route 30 Small Area Plan meeting on October 20, an early voting center on the county campus and a voting sticker contest.
- Public comment asked the board to remove data centers as a permitted use in all zoning districts, to cancel the proposed data center ordinance, and to reject the proposed Iron Horse data center in the Beaver Dam district; another speaker urged a 90-day staff assessment of an organic waste diversion ordinance for large generators.
- Staff said drone delivery regulation is not a local function.
- The consent agenda was approved as presented, with no items withdrawn.
- VDOT's fall and winter update covered completed resurfacing, snow-equipment readiness and secondary mowing. After a fatal crash at the Ashcake Road and Elmont intersection, VDOT outlined added stop-ahead signs, stop signs and reflective posts, and a speed study is under way on Ashcake Road. The Mount Herman Road bridge replacement is nearing completion.
- The county transportation update listed 20 road projects in development totaling about $236 million. U.S. 301 turn-lane work awaits a contractor bond and a VDOT permit.
- Staff confirmed a planned median between the two Creighton Parkway roundabouts will prevent driveways from crossing it. The Ashland-Pouncey Tract Road concept adds capacity and separates turning movements, with a community meeting planned around the 10% design stage. Route 33 is design-only, funded by a $4 million Central Virginia Transportation Authority grant, with consultant contract negotiations under way. Pedestrian improvements are planned at Atlee Road and Combs Drive, including an overhead hybrid beacon.
- After a brief recess, the quarterly broadband update said mainline fiber construction for Connect Hanover is substantially complete, with remaining work on private roads and railroad crossings; about 58% of private-road easements are recorded, 27% are out for review and 15% were declined or returned for revisions. Verizon reportedly will not end DSL service until an alternative is available.
- The economic development director presented the FY2026 annual report: unemployment around 3%, taxable commercial property values up about $200 million, and a commercial share of about 18.5 to 19% against the county goal of 30%. Vacancy rates were 2.8% retail, about 5% office, 4.8% flex and 6.3% industrial; county GDP is about $9.23 billion. Supervisors discussed the commercial tax-base goal and the lack of indoor meeting space for 200 to 300 people.
- The board voted unanimously to enter closed session for real property acquisitions (Creighton Road and Creighton Parkway, the Walnut Grove roundabout project and one other parcel) and legal consultation on condemnation litigation for the Pole Green Road widening project. The recording ends at the start of the closed session; certification and adjournment are on the separate short recording.
Agenda
- Public comment: Iron Horse data center in the Beaver Dam district
- Connect Hanover broadband update
- FY2026 economic development report
- Transportation updates
- Closed session: property acquisition and Pole Green Road widening condemnation
Sources
- Video: https://hanovercova.portal.civicclerk.com/event/1587/media
- Agenda: https://hanovercova.portal.civicclerk.com/event/1587/files/agenda/5866
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Transcript
We now call the September 23rd, 2026 Hanover, no we won't, sorry, ladies and gentlemen. We'll call the October 14th, 2026 Hanover County Board of Supervisors meeting to order as is customary open with
an invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance which will be led by Mr. Stoneman. Let us pray. Almighty God, Heavenly Father, we come to you Lord, we thank you and ask you Lord for your continued
blessings, not only on this meeting, but our community. We pray that you bless all of those who respond first to our needs. Lord, as they enter situations that only others can think of from time to
time or maybe see on TV or hear about in stories, it's part of their daily lives, to run into burning buildings, to stop evil from happening on our citizens and we just thank you for them Lord. We
thank you for this time together or where we can gather to do the people's business. We thank you for the privilege and the honor of being able to serve and Lord, we just ask that you continue to be
with our community. There's so many things that are going on in our nation and our state and here in our local community that burden folks. We know people have issues with their families, people have
issues with their employment, people have issues with their children, their parents, all of those types of things. Yet we have so many that are still willing to serve in so many capacities in our
county and so we thank you for those who step up to be appointed and to volunteer to help our community even when they carry these burdens back at home. Lord, we thank you for all that you do, but we
thank you mostly for your son, Christ Jesus and all God's people said, Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under
God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Mr. Stoneman. Now I ask Mr. Stoneman if he would clarify some comments on the previous minutes, Mr. Stoneman. Well, thank you, Mr. Chair.
On a previous minutes from board meeting on September 23rd, 2026, we're requested to make a change, a clerical change in the wording and change the words from Strategic Sewer and Water Plan and Mr.
Bob Nelson's comments under Citizen's Time to Suburban Services Area. Very well. Board members, you will have a revised draft of those minutes at your seat, so if there are any additional changes or
additions or deletions, we'll get to that later, but please know that there is a revised draft at your seat. Now it's time for comment time. I'd like to ask the county administrator to join me down
here. We have a presentation for a very special man, citizen of our county who did some remarkable things in the face of extreme adversity back in March. And so I'm going to ask the Dankos family to
join me as well down here. So for those and many people do know, Jackie's been a stalwart in our community, served on our airport commission for many years. And so during the conversation, he was
telling me his dad's do about all the things that are going on in life. And then he mentions his son, John. And I had no idea I was able to talk to the chief chief. I'm going to ask you to come down
here as well, too. And so this happened back in March. So I'm going to read this letter. And then I want, John, if you don't mind, I just kind of explain that day a little bit and what took place.
Dear Mr. Dankos, on behalf of the Hanover County Board of Supervisors and the citizens of Hanover County, I want to recognize and sincerely thank you for your heroic efforts on March 2nd, 2026. While
at Memorial Regional Hospital, you noticed a vehicle that had driven into a retention pond and was beginning to sink without hesitation and with complete disregard for your own safety. You rushed into
the water to help. Your quick thinking and selfless courage allowed you to rescue the elderly driver from her vehicle and assist her safely out of the water. In a moment of crisis, your actions
demonstrated extraordinary bravery, compassion and a willingness to help a stranger in need. Your courage undoubtedly made a difference and serves as a powerful reminder of the character and kindness
that exists within our community. Hanover County is grateful for citizens like you who step forward when it matters most. Please accept our deepest appreciation and admiration for your heroic efforts.
Congratulations, Mr. Smith. So what happened that day? I was just going to visit my mom and basically saw a bunch of people standing around the pond, pulled over, assessed the situation. And a couple
of minutes later, a car started going down. I just popped right in. You know, I say this often, there's a difference between folks, right? We're all different, but there are a lot of folks who are
able to do things. A lot of folks can jump into a pool or a creek or to the river on vacation. And a lot of folks could jump into icy water, but not a lot of folks are willing to jump in there. And so
that's what makes the difference. So thank you very much. No problem. Thank you. We're grateful. Yeah, here, here. John, you'll hold this and I'll come over there with you and we'll get some pictures
here. All right. One more. No, no, no, no, they didn't want to be. Oh, I see. We'll recognize a few folks that are with us in the audience. Obviously, Chief Anderson came down just a few moments ago.
Assistant Chief Powers, thank you both for being here. Chairman Hayden with our EDA. Mr. Hayden, thank you. And of course, Jackie Dankels, who serves on our airport committee and has for Jackie, how
long have you served on the airport committee? A lot. Forty years. Forty years. He's been our chair for about 300 years. He's been the chair for about three. Jackie first started at Kill Devil Hills
with two brothers down in North Carolina. Jackie, thank you. Thank you. And you're an aviator as well, an accomplished aviator, which is important. So thank you for your service to Hanover as well.
Thank you, sir. Chair recognizes Mr. Herzberg. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Last week, out at Pole Green Park, our Parks and Recs hosted the event called Spooky Fun Fest. And I had the privilege of
serving on Parks and Recs since 2020. And I see Director Reed Miller here. And, sir, thank you very much. Great job to you and to everyone who serves. We had over 6,000 people attend Spooky Fun Fest
at Pole Green Park. It's a family friendly event by child. Jameson's been going there for seven years. And I remember when he was scared of that rock tower. He went out there Friday and climbed all
the way right up to the top and pushed the button. And so those kinds of memories last a really long time. It takes a lot of planning, all the food trucks, all the grounds, the traffic in and out of
the facility. So job well done. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mr. Herzberg. Mr. Hudson. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to take a moment maybe to gloat. For those of you who have not heard, the
Mechanicsville High School Mustangs defeated the Hanover Hawks for the first time since 2019. So I want to, that's right, I want to congratulate everyone involved. Dr. Petroski, the coaching staff,
and of course, the young men of the football team. They stormed the field afterwards. Unfortunately, was not able to be there. But it did make me tear up to see those kids run out on the field. So
congratulations to all. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Congrats. Yeah, that is fantastic. We're in the unenviable position where we have games. All of the games here with our schools when they're in the county
are home games. So people say, well, who are you rooting for? And of course, if you have a child in the school, you have to root for that school. But most politicians take the position that I hope
they both win. And then they walk away with no other comment. But recognition, especially like that 2019, that's great. And I think it's well worth mentioning. Thank you, Mr. Hudson. Any further
comments, Ms. Prichard? Thank you, Mr. Chair. On Monday, Ms. Floyd and I had the honor of being invited to go to Silver Sneakers, not that either one of us are the demographic for Silver Sneakers. And
we were asked because a regular participant at Silver Sneakers who goes three times a week, nearly every week, turned 100 years old. And so we got to go and help congratulate her. We're very grateful
that we got Shelby out to take pictures. And she was truly the belle of the ball. She had a great time and we were honored to be asked. That's great. Thank you, Ms. Prichard. Any further? Mr. County
Administrator. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to share a couple updates today. And I have to say, I am extremely proud of the Hanover County team. This past weekend, if you couldn't find
something to do in Hanover, you weren't looking. We hosted three very large events. And I thank Mr. Herzberg for his recognition of Spooky Fun Fest. Record attendance this year on both sides of our
county. Continue to thank Parks and Rec for all your efforts and leadership there. The field and farms tours were Saturday. The turnout was phenomenal. All of the farmers and producers that
participated were extremely pleased with the turnout. Thousands of people came from throughout the region to visit our agricultural producers and got a chance to get up and close. And I can't thank
those farmers enough for opening their doors to our community. We also were honored to host the Corn Ferry Tournament of the PGA for over the past week, actually, four days of live golf that was on
the Golf Channel, hosted here at the Federal Club in the beautiful South Anna District. It was extremely well attended. They estimate that event alone brought about $35 million worth of tourism
investment to the Richmond region. It is planned to be there again next week or next year, I'm sorry, and beyond. And I want to just really thank the collective team, Todd Kilduff for your leadership
on that. All of the public safety folks that helped throughout the event from both our fire and EMS and our sheriff's office. On all of these events, I can't thank our communications and citizen
engagement team and our tourism team for coming together and allowing us to be part of some very special opportunities for our community. So I just want to thank all of the staff and Glaave from
Economic Development. The leadership that was provided on the Field and Farms tour was second to none and really thank her for all of her work on that. But really, the collective team couldn't be more
proud of. I think Hanover really shined this past week. There are a number of upcoming events that I just want to share in activities. On the 28th of October, we get to celebrate some volunteers that
go above and beyond our community with the Genesee Harris Awards. That actually begins at St. Paul's Episcopal at four o'clock. I do want to announce this not only to open the doors for the community
to join us there, but we will have a change on the board schedule. The legislative committee that was scheduled will be moved to three o'clock that day to accommodate the Genesee Harris Awards. I
think everyone, if you have driven on our campus and you cannot see the red voting signs, let us know. We'll add more if we need to. But voting is active on our campus. For early voting, we encourage
you to get out and visit our new early voting center. Want to make sure that everyone has that opportunity. There's some Saturdays and Sundays coming up before the end of October and until the
election in early November. I do want to let folks know that our registrar has announced for future elections. They have kicked off a voting sticker contest. There's categories for all levels,
elementary, through high school, and our resident for them to create stickers. So please look at our website for more information to participate in that. They will pick winners and those will become
the new future voter stickers. And I voted stickers for the county for future elections. Did also want to share that our Route 30 Small Area Plan team, the next meeting for that will be October 20th
at 6 p.m. at the Hanover Arts and Activities Center. That's at 500 South Center Street in Ashland. Mr. Chair, I believe that's all I have today. Thank you, sir. We will now open Citizens' Town.
Citizens' Town is a town where anyone who wishes to address the board on any matter within the board's authority is welcome to come forward. We do not allow for presentations, audio, or visual, but
certainly if someone has a presentation and they'd like to present to the board, we will make sure that gets into the public record. Dr. Brown will be down here. We ask that you do address the board
and not the audience during Citizens' Town. We also ask that you fill out a card. While you're not required to, it does help us to follow up on any constituent matters, specifically if they have to go
to a district and a district representative needs to follow up. It helps to have that contact information. But again, you are not required to. Did receive an email from Mr. Hall, and it seems like Mr.
Hall may be here today. Mr. Hall, are you here? Okay, wonderful. We just ask that you come up, state your name, the district that you live, or the entity that you represent. How many folks do we have
that want to speak at Citizens' Town? Very well. We'll allow three minutes each, Mr. Hall. Please come forward. You're first on the list again. After that, just in the order you desire, it's your
pleasure. Thank you, Mr. Hall. Do you want to recognize Sheriff Greg Six, who's with us here? Sheriff, thank you for being with us. I have one page for each of the supervisors to share. I was
instructed to hand this to you. Crystal, would you mind stating your name and your district? Yes, absolutely. My name is Marshall Hall, and my business is Note Compost Company, and we just recently
moved into the Chickahominy District. Here's a copy of the remarks. I'm going to just sit that here. Sure, let me start. I'll give all that information. Good afternoon. My name is Marshall Hall. My
business, Note Compost Company, is based right here in Hanover County, in the Chickahominy District, as I mentioned. I chair the advocacy committee of the Virginia Composting Council, and I own Note
Compost Company, a certified B Corp that hauls organic waste along the I-64 corridor from Charlottesville to Virginia Beach. Each week, my trucks move food scraps that become finished compost at
facilities here in central Virginia instead of going to a landfill. I'm here because Virginia law now gives you a tool worth using. This year, the General Assembly passed HB 1011, Chapter 1121, now
Section 15.2-937.1 of the Code of Virginia. It authorizes localities to adopt ordinances requiring large generators of organic waste. This would be grocery stores, restaurants, schools, institutions,
to divert that material from landfills through donation, animal feed, composting, or anaerobic digestion. Why does this matter? Food waste is the single largest material we landfill. 24% of municipal
solid waste, and it produces 58% of the fugitive landfill methane. We pay good money to bury something that could be a product. Every ton diverted saves landfill space and creates a local product.
Finished compost that can go back to farms, landscapers, and garden centers right here in the region. That's local jobs and the local circular economy. Hanover is a natural fit. The county already
runs a daily convenience center recycling that residents know and use in CVW Mays 2024 through 2044 regional plan calls for region-wide organics composting and support for food and organics facilities
in the region. And I can tell you firsthand that the private sector capabilities exist. My company is based in this county and already collects food scraps across the region and on regular routes. We
run community drop-off at two convenience centers in Henrico and Chesterfield and collect from 18 drop-off sites in the city of Richmond. Adding an organics layer for large generators is a measured
next step. No new county collection system is required. You have 30 seconds, sir. Yep, I haul this material every day. I know what the trucks, the routes, and the facilities can handle. I know where
the gaps are and I'm offering myself and the Virginia composting council's resources through a potential 90-day assessment. So that's the ask is a 90-day staff assessment of how this might work. Thank
you very much. And again, we did receive your email and I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon. I'm Holly Mankie from the South Anna District Friends of Hanover. In
church, we've been studying Paul's letters. The main theme is to speak with love. I love Hanover County. I know you also love Hanover County because you serve Hanover and it's certainly not for the
income that it provides you. I want to make sure I speak with love when I request you to remove data centers, data center processing, and all forms of data storage from permitted uses in all zoning
districts. I know you see what is happening in Ashland right now with the Hanover Humane Society. We all feel for those poor dogs. The data center oped on went in by right without any public hearings.
The Hanover Humane Society had no idea it was being built until it started construction. The same thing is happening right now in Doswell at Ben's Road. A data center developer has filed a site plan
because the land is zoned industrial and no review or approval is needed from you because data centers are permitted uses in that zone. Meanwhile, if a family member wants to place an additional
housing unit on their property to take care of grandma or let a child move home, they have to pay all the fees, have the community meeting, go before the planning commission, and then go before you
before they can build that additional housing unit. I think somehow things got reversed in this scenario because that is happening right now in Hanover. I know it was not the intended plan for a data
center to be easier to be built than adding a place for grandma to live on your own property. I ask you to make sure the public and you as our own representatives have a say in whether and where a
data center is built in Hanover County by removing data centers as permitted uses in all zoning districts. There is no need to spend taxpayer money and two years of your time to create a data center
ordinance or policy when each data center and location is unique and should be reviewed individually no matter the size based on the area it is to occupy. What happened in Ashland to the Hanover
Humane Society should not happen anywhere else in Hanover. Thank you for your time and your great love of Hanover County. Thank you. Next speaker please. Thank you for being with us. Jennifer Corpus,
Chica Harmony. Before I get into my planned comments, I just wanted to thank you Mr. Davis and you Mr. Stoneman for how you run these meetings. I know a lot of times tensions are running high. Then I
went to another meeting at another municipality and was just surprised by how they ran the meeting and made me realize that I take it for granted because I know that sometimes especially for the high
stakes things that community have strong opinions on, it could be difficult to run that. So thank you for that. I wanted to talk about water and the usage and connection to data centers and about a
pattern we keep seeing from the same attorney which is asking our community to take his word instead of the record. At the Planning Commission, Andy Condland, the attorney for Iron Horse, said the 1.2
million gallon per day water figure was based on what Hanover said it could provide. But then our planning director refuted that and then I went back to look at the Dewberry Water Study in the
county's file and it did say that the water numbers were provided by the developer. Then we were pointed to a second document as proof of how much water Iron Horse would use which is a one page letter
from Timmons and it doesn't study this project. It says that the numbers provided our industry averages and that the actual demand may vary depending on the end user, technology used and final design,
none of which is decided for Iron Horse. So the water study was just a letter and the letter was just a guess. The same pattern shows up in how these projects are pushed. On Iron Horse, the message is
if Hanover won't approve the data center, the applicant will build multi-family housing instead and make the Ashland side of the property a bigger data center. On the Abadan warehouses at the Humane
Society meeting, we heard that if we don't get giant warehouses then it could be data centers instead. Whether or not these are threats or promises is up for interpretation. But either way you look at
it, it is leveraged. It says approve what we want or we'll give you something worse. That's not being a good neighbor and it's not working with the community nor Hanover decision makers. And that
leverage works because data centers can still be built by right in this county without the public process and the written commitments that a rezoning would require. And as long as that's true, data
centers instead does end up sounding an awful lot like a threat and it's one with teeth. I'm asking the board to take that leverage away. Remove data centers as a permitted use in all zoning districts
in Hanover. Frederick County accomplish this in less than two months. We already have Hickory Hill, the Ashland side of Iron Horse and the Abadan data center. Then there's Binns Road and Beaver Dam
which will likely go in by right. That is plenty of data centers for a rural county. Deny the Iron Horse data center when it comes up for a vote. Remove data centers as a permitted use in our county.
Thank you so much. Thank you, ma'am. Next speaker please. Please state your name and the district that you live or the entity you represent. Thank you for being with us. Thank you. My name is Wendy
Northup. I live just down the road and I'm in the Beaver Dam district. I live in Ashland Vineyard Lane, on Ashland Vineyard Lane right off 54. That's one and a half miles from the proposed Iron Horse
data center. We built our home 40 years ago. My children went through Hanover County Schools, not on this side, because they went into Ashland in those days. But we were clear when we moved here that
that route was designed for development eventually. It made sense. It's right on an exit to the interstate. It's close to the town of Ashland. While it didn't happen for a lot of years, it's going
full bore now. There's a lot of development up and down at route 54 where we live. Housing remains a big need in our community and the variety of housing that's being developed is wonderful. But
putting a large data center one and a half miles from my home and less than a quarter mile for all kinds of new homes that are going up. That wood side development and then the new Hickory Hill
development, not the big homes, the smaller ones that they're putting up, just seems ill-advised. The noise and large use of water has been demonstrated in many different ways. The last speaker was
very clear about that. It'll definitely lower our home values. And as new people are looking at the homes being built, they'll certainly be influenced by this. I urge you to stop it before it gets
started. A data center doesn't belong in a housing area. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Next speaker, please. Hello. My name is Barbara Myers, Dr. Barbara Myers. And I also live on Ashland Vineyard
Lane. I'm neighbors with Wendy Northup. We moved here about 40 years ago also. And we knew nothing about data centers. Even five years ago, I knew nothing about data centers. But somehow Virginia, the
Commonwealth of Virginia, larger than just Hanover, has become the leader of data centers in the entire world. As I understand it, we stand second only just after us is China. So the Commonwealth of
Virginia has become this targeted area to put data centers. They somehow slipped in when I think lots of us were not paying attention. But now we get to Hanover County. And they're slipping in.
They're slipping in. They're slipping in. Part of what we need to pay attention to is public opinion. And you're hearing voice after voice of public opinions on these data centers. I won't give you a
lecture on all the problems of data centers. I'm sure you've read the papers, water, electricity, noise, pollution. But public opinion is really important here. And I'm speaking now very small, public
opinion, my family, my husband and I. We raised our kids here. Our daughter lives on Maple Lane, Maple Street. My three-year-old granddaughter, Alice, my six-month-old grandson, Elliot, whom I was
taking care of until 45 minutes ago. We don't want a data center, more data centers, a mile and a half from us. And you're hearing that from so many constituents. We voted for you. We voted for you to
represent us. And I'd like you to say, not on my watch are we going to have more of these data centers. We weren't paying attention when they first started to come in. We didn't know what this would
all lead up to. But not on my watch. I thank you very much. Thank you, ma'am. Any one farther? Yes, ma'am. My name is Teddy Fishman, and I live in the Beaver Dam district. As you all are aware, I
don't have to tell anybody to hear this, every time you make a decision about development, you have to weigh the potential benefits and the potential risks. And I'm here to just ask how the risks of
this data center could possibly be outweighed, how the risk of all these data centers could be outweighed. We are talking about noise that is at levels and in ranges that we don't even know all the
harms that can come from those noises. We are talking about diesel exhaust from generators near where children play and go to school. We're talking about decimation of our water supplies. Those are
huge, huge risks. And I just don't understand how the calculation was made that there are benefits that could possibly outweigh those kinds of risks. So I am asking that data centers are removed as a
permitted use. And I just wanted to add at the end, Chair Davis, you differentiated in the award ceremony at the beginning between the people who stand by when something bad is about to happen and the
people who jump in and do something before that bad thing happens. This is your car in the pond moment. Please jump in and remove data centers as a permitted use. Thank you very much. Next speaker,
please. Please state your name and the district that you live or the entity you represent. Thank you for being with us. Good afternoon. I'm Sally Campbell and I live in the Beaverdam district. I'm
here to talk about zoning for data centers. What do data centers have in common with banks, bakery shops, dry cleaners, government offices, and other relatively innocuous establishments? The answer
is, in seven of Hanover's eight business and industrial zoning categories, they have the same buy right or permitted use zoning as these other businesses. Was this permitted use zoning leftover from a
time when data centers weren't yet hyperscale, when instead they too were relatively safe and innocuous enterprises? That is no longer the case, and today this permitted use zoning for data centers is
untenable. It means data centers can be developed without notice to neighboring properties, depriving them of the opportunity to be heard, and without approval and oversight from the Planning
Commission and Board of Supervisors. Just look at the debacle on Route 1, where the Oppadan data center is going forward. It's having a devastating effect on the Hanover Humane Society and Ashland
Heights residents who did not receive notice and had no opportunity to be heard. Their lives and mission are gravely impacted due to the outdated permitted use zoning. I know the Board of Supervisors
is working with good intent on a data center ordinance that will take 12 to 18 months to complete. Unfortunately, this too is untenable. Today's proposed data centers have an enormous range of
variables to be considered, way too many variables to consolidate and address in an ordinance. Further, given the current rate of technological advancement, such an ordinance is likely to be obsolete
by the time it is completed. There's just too much risk to the community, to our peace and quiet, our water, our air, our treasured way of life, and too much potential for aggressive developers to
trample what we value for proposed data centers to escape public hearings and local government oversight. There is a simple solution to the outdated permitted use zoning and to debacles like the
Oppadan data center. Please remove data centers as permitted uses in all zoning districts. Please conserve valuable time and taxpayer money by canceling the proposed data center ordinance. Thank you.
Thank you. Anyone further? Anyone? Yes, sir. Thank you for being with us. Thank you for having me. I'm Jacob Schroeder from the Beaverdam district. I'm asking the Board to remove data centers as a
permitted use in every zoning district in Hanover. Data centers have already been built here without a public hearing and that can't happen again. In addition, protect the Hanover Humane Society in
Ashland Heights neighborhood by denying the rezoning and warehouse special exceptions. I think it's important to remember that data centers are not just a Hanover issue. They're a national issue.
They're a working class issue. They're a 90/10 issue. This is not a conversation among the people. We've already made up our minds. Now we're waiting on you. No more data centers in Hanover. Thank
you. Thank you, sir. Anyone further? Anyone? We will now close Citizens Town. I do have one follow-up. A couple of meetings ago, a citizen came up to talk about drone delivery of Amazon products from
the Henrico, the Amazon facility in Henrico. I spoke with Mr. Hudson because she was from the Mechanics Field District. Mr. Hudson suggested that maybe Mr. Herzberg, and I speak, asking the county
administrator to get some information on that because her concern was the historic battlefields in Cold Harbor. So I don't want to imply that the citizen was incorrect, but as we gathered some
information, and we're going to be able to speak with that citizen about that, some of the information that she had been given, or that she gave us, that she said came from Henrico County. Henrico
County was also not aware of some of these things. And some of what maybe had been published wasn't necessarily taking place. I think there were some other concerns. But I am going to ask Mr. Badesky
if he would kind of give the 15/32 update on that because we did immediately follow up, gathered some good information. We want to make sure that this citizen's concerns are alleviated to the best of
our ability as it relates to any authority here in Hanover County. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As a follow up to the citizen's concerns, we did reach out to Henrico County. And primarily drone regulation
is actually not regulated at the local level. And so Hanover County does not have a role in drone regulation or licensing. That does not mean we don't have a concern in following up to our citizen's
concerns. She did mention that Henrico -- they were awaiting before they had their -- took -- Amazon was awaiting taking next steps based on permitting by Henrico County. When reached out to Henrico
County, they shared what I had shared earlier. They do not have any further permitting role as it relates to Amazon services. We have followed up also with county attorney's office and our folks at
the airport. There is no formal role for us in drone regulation, if you will. That does not mean that we cannot -- that we're not in a position to at least share with Amazon our concerns about our
culturally sensitive sites and locations in our county and ask that they keep our citizen's needs and interest in mind as they move forward with that. But as far as formal regulation, they're --
Hanover County nor Henrico County has a formal role in that licensing and/or oversight. Thank you, Mr. Bedeschi. And again, Henrico County did not have any active permits at the time. And I think that
was the key point. And I also want to thank Mr. Walter for working on that. So there's that follow-up. Again, we want to help provide any information that we can. But once we contacted Henrico County
and recognized that they did not have any active permits, we want to get that information back to that citizen. So we'll keep an eye on that as well. Next item on the agenda is consent agenda. While
the consent agenda has not been amended, the minutes were corrected. So have all board members had an opportunity to review the consent agenda? And are there any items to be withdrawn from the consent
agenda to be considered separately? If not, is there a motion to approve? Make a motion that we approve the consent agenda as is. Second. Second by Ms. Prichard. Any further discussion? All those in
favor, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Presentation of transportation update. We do have Mr. Frazier with us with the Virginia Department of Transportation. And then
immediately following, we'll have Director Joe Vaidunas. Mr. Vaidunas, if you just want to come up as Mr. Frazier finishes, that would be great. Thank you, Mr. Frazier. Good evening, thank you, Mr.
Chairman, members of the board, Philip Frazier, resident engineer, the Ashland Residency representing VDOT. Going to cover a couple different topics this afternoon. First one is just general residency
operations this time of the year. So as we come out of summer, we're finishing up our resurfacing schedule so that, again, if you remember, that's where we identify routes that need to be resurfaced
to a number of different means, advertise it to the contracting community, and then it gets resurfaced over the spring, summer, and into the fall season of the year with the fixed completion date,
typically around mid-November. So we are finishing that up. But as we finish that up, we start to roll into our favorite time of the year, which is the winter season, preparation for snow. So some of
the things that we're doing right now is we are working, been recruiting, hired equipment help and support. We're around 250 pieces of contracted pieces of equipment that have shown interest in
supporting and serving the Commonwealth and removing snow and ice during those types of events. There is an inspection process, proof of insurance. So even though we've had 250-ish pieces of equipment
show interest, doesn't mean that that is exactly how many we will end up with. With that, we also have our state forces. There are multiple area headquarters in Hanover County with dump trucks, motor
graders, and other heavy pieces of equipment that we will throw a snow plow on and a salt spreader to support snow operations. So at the end of October, we start having our dry run inspections, which
is where we pull all of the equipment out, shine it up, make sure everything is running appropriately and is prepared for the upcoming season. So this is an effort that as we finish it in the spring,
clean everything off, we immediately start planning and preparing for the next season. But this is really where the rubber hits the road. So we are also underway with our final cycle of secondary
tractor mill on the secondary system. If you remember, we cut our primary system typically about three times a year, secondary system twice a year. So we are in that second cycle of secondary mowing.
That is being done with state forces. Typically takes about five to six weeks. It's a long, long haul. Also want to point out a new staff member on our team. It was a critical piece. If you've heard
me speak before, you probably know I look at the residency as like a three-legged stool. We have our public project team. We have the maintenance team and then we have the land use team. So John Bongi
back here raised his hand. John is our new assistant resident engineer for the land use office. He will work closely with the Hanover County planning team with any kind of local development projects
like that, reviewing site plans. So moving into two items that I want to specifically cover. The first one is the intersection of Elmont and Ash Cake. I know that there was a fatality out there at
that intersection a few months ago. So typically when there's a fatality on a state maintained road, we do a traffic engineering study, a fatal after-action review of the segment to identify any
improvements that we can maybe implement short turnaround time. So with that, that is finished up and some of the improvements that you will see are you can see dual indicated stop ahead signs. So
that is the yellow warning sign as you approach an intersection that says stop ahead. So there's already one on the right side of the road, which is pretty standard. We are going to have it on both
sides of the road. So dual indicated as you come up right and left. The other thing is we will dual indicate our stop signs. Same idea, stop sign on the right, stop sign on the left. And then the last
thing is we're going to add reflective graphics to the vertical pole that connects from the stop sign down to the ground. So those are some of the things that we're doing in the short term to mitigate
some of the issues at the intersection. The other thing that we are doing currently underway is a speed study along Ash Cake Road. The limits of that study are from the town limits to Wildwood
Boulevard, which is about one and a quarter miles long. So that segment is currently posted at 45. So we will be reviewing it to see if it is appropriate to reduce the speed limit. Mount Herman Road
has been about six or seven months since Mount Herman has been closed due to a bridge replacement. It's a project being done by state forces out of our bridge office. It is delayed, we are on the home
stretch, should be finished within the next few weeks. Some things that have happened in the last couple weeks is they have installed the deck. So the deck is out there now, concrete deck. They're
currently forming the bridge rail and setting steel in the bridge rail, expecting that to be poured, concrete poured next week, end up next week. Then it has to cure before they can take the forms
off. And then we're going to be paving the approaches. So that's all going to be done in the next couple weeks and then the detour will be lifted. So with that, I will take any questions or comments.
Thank you, Philip. Any questions for Mr. Fraser? Ms. Pricham. Hi there. Did you say Ash Cake and Elmont or Ashland Road and Elmont? So that Ash Cake and Elmont. Okay. Because if you're coming down
Ashland Road and making a left hand turn onto Elmont, that is a really hard intersection to see the turn lane at nighttime and it could use some reflection there as well. And then I'm going to use the
word. I bet you don't hear every day. Oh no, you're going to be happy. That's all of us, Mr. Fraser. That scares people when I say that. The word is beautiful. Forest Lake Hills is one of my oldest.
It is probably my oldest neighborhood. And as you know, they had some concerns about the repaving in their neighborhood. At phase one because they didn't love it and they thought that's what they were
going to get. And I was at an event there last week and asked if everybody was happy. I'd heard they were. And the person who originally complained said, "Our roads are," I quote, "beautiful." So they
are very happy with you. And thank you for that. Well, I appreciate that. That is a classic story for a Cape Seal application. So thank you. Appreciate you following up on that. With Ashland Road, so
I just want to make sure Ashcake does turn into Ashland Road. So we might probably talk about the same. I wonder if we are. I might follow up with you just to make sure. There's a new subdivision
right there. On the north side. Yeah, I believe that is the same intersection. When you're coming from short pump down Ashland Road at night time and making a left onto Elmont right by that
subdivision, it's just real hard to see the lane as you're making the left hand turn. OK, take a look at it. Anything on this side? Yes, Ms. Deville. Yes. Good to see you again. I was just following
up on the intersection at Route 54 in Scotchtown. We talked about redoing those rumble strips. Have we made any progress on that? I believe those rumble strips have been refreshed. But if they have
not, then I apologize. Let me follow up. And if they aren't, we'll make it a priority. OK, thank you so much. Because I think they're very effective. I agree. When they're not mushed. Yes. Anything
further? Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Fraser, thank you so much. I just want you to know that I am getting a lot of comments from my citizenry. And they're very thankful about your responsiveness and the
work you're doing. And the intersection at Elmont and Ashcake, I appreciate your timely turnaround on that. That's very helpful because a lot of citizens, my citizens were very concerned about that.
And so I do appreciate that. So I just wanted to kind of let you know that people appreciate what you're doing out there. And they're letting me know. So I'm letting you know. Thank you, Mr. Donnell.
Mr. Fraser, appreciate you. Thank you so much. I appreciate your work. Have a good afternoon. You do the same, sir. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, members of the board. It's been a few months. Gonna do
something a little bit different. Before I get into specifics of my report, I'd like to just give kind of a brief overview of the county's road improvement program. Currently we have 20 projects that
are under development. We have one that is pending construction. We have three that are in the utility relocation phase. We have seven that are actively in the right-of-way acquisition phase. And
another 10 that are in various states of project development. Collectively, these 20 projects total about $236 million. And I want to be clear that it really is a team effort to be able to produce a
program of this size. I'd like to acknowledge our VDOT partners. I also would like to acknowledge, and I'm probably going to leave some folks out. We get great support from our county attorney's
office in particular. I'd like to mention Rebecca Randolph, finance, purchasing, you name it, planning, and our public work staff. Of these 20 projects, we've assigned seven engineers to manage those
projects. Several of those engineers, this is not their primary responsibility, but they've stepped up and kind of taken on this new role in addition to their other priorities. So I just wanted to
share that with you. I hadn't given you that before, but I think it provides a little bit of perspective. I really wish this report was a couple weeks later, because if it was, I think I would be able
to tell you that we have actually broken ground on the 301 turn lanes. Literally, we are waiting for the contractor's insurance company to issue the bond so that VDOT can issue the land use permit so
that work can begin. Literally, that is the last thing that remains between the ground being broken and not. So hopefully, we'll see that in the coming weeks. The contractor will have about six months
to complete that work, so that should be around the April timeframe. Next. Oh, that's me. Okay, great. This is the Lewistown Ashcake Road intersection roundabout project. We've been delayed a little
bit due to utilities, but our intent is to put this out to the contracting community in December. If we're successful and get a good bid, we'll award the project and be under construction somewhere,
let's just say spring of '27. This project has a completion date of August of 2028. This is the intersection of Route 1 and 30 in Doswell. A little graphic on the right shows where we currently stand
in terms of right-of-way acquisition. We have cleared the two parcels on the right side or east side of Route 1. We are in -- I'll term it or characterize it as positive negotiations with the other
two parcels and hopeful that we'll be able to come to agreement on those two relatively soon. Because we're able to clear the right-of-way on the east side, utility relocation work has been completed
on that side. Once we clear the other two parcels, then we'll proceed with utility relocation on that side, which is Verizon, and then be in a position to put the project out to bid. It's a project
that I'm very familiar with because I'm overseeing this one. We are in utility relocation phase. So this chart kind of shows where things stand. The yellow indicates that those particular utilities
are in various states of completion. Zegra has actually completed their work. Dominion is about 85 percent complete. Verizon 5 percent. Virginia natural gas should begin in the next week or so. I
shouldn't say that. They should begin shortly. I don't have an exact date. Comcast is dependent on Dominion. They're on Dominion's poles. So once Dominion is complete, then Comcast will come in. All
that to say that we're looking at advertising. In the early part of February, we'll overlap a little bit with the utilities to buy a couple months, but we can't get too far ahead of them because we
need the utilities to be out of the way before we can begin construction. This is right out front. This is the pedestrian improvements that are planned in front of the courthouse area. We just earlier
this summer completed the archaeological field work that is required. And we're anticipating to receive a formal no adverse effect finding as a result of that work. In the next several months, we'll
be preparing bid documents. And I think the anticipated bid date to see federal authorization to proceed to construction probably early next year. This would be the intersection of Greenwood Church
Road, Blanton Road, Ashland Road, Ashcake Road. This is the proposed roundabout project. Right away, activities are expected to begin within the next 30 to 60 days. There are eight parcels that are
being impacted. So we will be at right away for a good bit of time. This is the Creighton Road, Walnut Grove, Creighton Parkway roundabout project. Again, same type of chart. Five parcels. Three have
been cleared of the remaining two. We will brief the board on the status of those remaining two parcels in closed session later today. Dominion, however, will begin relocation in the next two weeks.
Their relocations aren't right away dependent. They'll be using the existing right away for that work. So they're going to go ahead and proceed. Just north of us, this is 54-301. This is a proposed
roundabout. Right away, activities have been initiated on this project. Right away, easements are needed from eight parcels. And we've just gotten underway with this one as well. I'm pleased to report
that we recently have cleared the right away. This is Sliding Hill Peaks, Mount Herman Ashcake Road intersection roundabout. The companion to the Lewisown Ashcake Road roundabout on the other end.
We've given the notice to proceed. There are three utilities, SAGRA Comcast and Verizon, that need to be relocated. And so this work, the relocation work, will likely continue on into next summer.
This is the Creighton Road between 295 and Cold Harbor. This is the Turn Lane Improvement Project serving the residential neighborhoods to the west. Right away acquisition is also underway on this
project. We expect to make offers in the coming weeks. And there are a total of seven parcels from which we require either right away and/or easements. Hickory Hill Road reconstruction plans have been
advanced to the 60% stage. We plan to hold a citizen information meeting for public review on those plans and obtain public feedback that should occur very early part of next year. Downtown or Old
Mechanicsville roundabout. Right away acquisition phase is also underway on this project. There are a total of seven parcels for owners, seven parcels. And we expect this to continue right away
acquisition to continue into the fall of next year. This is the second of the two projects that I personally am overseeing. Again, the map green represents cleared. We have concluded six parcels. The
yellow are parcels that we've extended offers. But we've not come to agreement. The gray represent parcels that are pending offers. And we expect those remaining 10 offers to go out within the next, I
would say the next 30 days would be would be fair. 54 Gotten Hill Road. We held a very well attended. This is an information meeting this past August. The next milestone is we'll be developing plans
to what we call the 60 percent stage of development, at which point then we'll plan to hold a formal public hearing, which would be the early part of next year. Okay, so this is the first of several
new projects. You probably have seen these before, but we are now formally getting ready to get underway. This is at the intersection of Ashland Road and Pouncey Track Road. If you've been through
this area recently during the peak times you know that it's extremely congested. And so the primary objective here is to improve operations via turning lane improvements and geometric improvements. So
the purple just simply represents the limits of our survey to collect information necessary to be able to plan the geometry, utilities, drainage and so forth, but they don't necessarily represent
impacts to properties. I'd like to be clear about that. So we'll be getting underway soon on this one. And yes, I think that's all ahead on that. This is phase three of Attlee Station Road. We reached
a 30 percent milestone in August. Plans are now being advanced to the 60 percent stage. That should occur sometime in the January/February timeframe, at which point we will then plan to hold a formal
public hearing on the design. This one's a little bit difficult to decipher, but this is the 301 pedestrian and operational improvements that are being planned essentially between Leon Lane, Thomas
Dispatch, Leon Lane all the way north to Rutlandshire Drive. So the improvements are primarily focused at the intersections and then also providing pedestrian improvements to kind of connect the
missing links, if you will. And this project I'll just add or interject that it also ties with other improvements that are being planned in the Attlee Road corridor. So we are at the 30 percent stage.
We reached that in August and plan to hold our first citizen information meeting in the spring of next year. Okay. This is also a new project. This is specifically to provide crossing or pedestrian
improvements at the intersection of Attlee Road and Combs Drive. This project was submitted for a they call a transportation alternatives program TAP grant application. It's a federal program designed
primarily for bike and ped type improvements. So we applied and we were awarded funding and so now we're going forward with implementing this design. One of the main features of this will be the
overhead hybrid beacon. Similar well similar if you maybe you're familiar with Grove Avenue your St. Catharines they have a hybrid beacon you press the button flashes yellow then will flash red all
vehicles are supposed to stop. So not what they have in the town of Ashland but but an overhead hybrid beacon kind of like top of the line. Okay. All right. Okay. Sticking with the Attlee Road
corridor this is a proposed roundabout at Attlee Road in Barnfield Lane. Again we're just getting underway by getting the agreements in place and getting the consultants under contract to be able to
begin the design. This project likes a couple of the others I just mentioned. We were successful in our VDOT revenue sharing grant applications which is essentially 50/50 match. So for every dollar
that we put in VDOT puts in a dollar so to to offset the cost. So this came out of a study that VDOT had conducted several years earlier. We know that this was a high accident location and just very
difficult to get if you're on the side street to to make that left. So anyway this project will be underway very soon. And then last but not least this is Route 33 corridor. This project is what we
call PE only. It's designed only at this point. We received a Central Virginia Transportation Authority CVTA regional grant of $4 million to do the design. So this will get us to about the 60% stage.
We went out and invitation for bid for consultant services. We've been through that process. We've selected a consultant. We're negotiating with them right now. Once we have them under contract we'll
begin the scoping and begin the design. I emphasize that what you're seeing on the screen is is illustrative. This has not been surveyed. It hasn't been designed but is is one concept that had been
floated out there while we were going through the grant process. So Mr. Chairman that's all I have prepared but happy to take any questions that you have. Thank you Mr. Vadunas. Any questions for Mr.
Vadunas. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Thank you for your presentation. Can you go back to the slide on Creighton Parkway the two roundabouts. Yes I'm sorry I thought I could. That's it. So the question I
have is in between the two roundabouts there's a median and it shows grass. Is that the plan. I'm going to turn and defer to my project manager. I believe that is the plan. That is the plan. So if
that is planned then it would not be acceptable for someone to exit one of those two driveways and cross that median. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. See that Mr. Hardman we got that cleaned
cleared up already today. Is the light poles that are shown is that accurate for the lighting plan? That is the location. Hold on ma'am we'll need since we're doing this in public meeting need you to
come forward. Thank you. Thanks. This was the rendering that we used for the public hearings so to the best of our knowledge based on the same plan sets those are roughly around the correct location.
Give or take maybe a foot one way or the other. Okay thank you that's all. Thank you to both of you. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Certainly anything further. Ms. Dibble. Thank you Mr. Chair can we go back
to the Ashland Pouncey Track Road graphic. Can you just briefly describe what will be done. I know it's just conceptual but what what is our ultimate goal to improve that intersection. So essentially
we have two lanes in each direction on all four legs and so the objective is is to separate some of those movements. So for example if you are on Ashland Road and you wanted to make that turn left to
go north on Pouncey Track Road you might be delayed by somebody that that might be a bad example but you might be delayed by somebody else that's making that turn having to wait for somebody else to
make that turning movement. So we're looking at separating some of those movements. I apologize I can't remember off the top of my head exactly what that looks like. I do recall on the Ashland Road
that that that single lane heading east is proposed to be a through left and a right a right turn lane would be added okay on the church side for example. So basically adding capacity by adding
additional lanes and and separating those turning movements is the best answer. Okay and so we will have a community meeting coming up for this. See if I have this even in our schedule. We will
definitely have a community meeting early in the process and right now I have that is to be determined. I think once we have so not in the next six months probably probably they're out probably not if
it was it's going to be towards the outer outer part of that but but yes that will be our plan early on about the 10% stage is generally when we like to hold those meetings. Okay thank you. Okay
anything further. Thank you Mr. Chairman final comment Mr. Badu and as you showed a lot of appreciation for many people who've been doing a lot of good work on these 20 projects and I'd like to show
appreciation to you as well. 20 projects is the most I've ever seen since I've been on the board and I know it's a lot of work the right away acquisition the planning the engineering the staffing the
VDOT. So thank you for all you do. Thank you. All right the we're going to take a we'll take about a five minute recess we've got some folks coming in and working on some schedules and I give board
just a few minutes before we get into our quarterly broadband update so we'll take a five minute recess. We will now call this meeting back to order the next item on the agenda is a quarterly connect
handover broadband initiative deputy county administrator Mr. Kilduff and Mr. Tom Innes also with us with all points broadband do you want to recognize Mr. Sam Zeidin member of the economic
development authority who's joined us as well thank you for being here Mr. Zeidin and director Turner Brandon Turner from economic development thank you for being with us director Turner. Yes sir go
ahead Mr. Kilduff. Sure thank you chair members of the board Mr. Rhodesky Mr. Walter I'm Todd Kilduff and I have your connect handover broadband initiative monthly update we also call this a quarterly
update not to confuse it too much but in the board packets a quarterly because every three months or so we try to have all points broadband our internet provider who we have a contract with come in
and also provide an update as well. So with that our project is still moving well I think it's I think we skipped last month so you haven't heard anything in about 60 days or so but things are still
going really well main roads are all done we're really focused now on the private roads and have been for many months now and railroad crossings so they're all moving moving forward and we haven't
really had any issues necessarily but I think most of the issues that we run into if it's in one of your districts we typically reach out to you directly I think Ms. Dibble we've had a few Mr.
Herzberg so whenever we have this issue we reach out to you and just let you know what we're dealing with and we do our best to work with the citizens accordingly and when I say work with them I did
want to recognize Rick Rogers our broadband administrator sitting behind my shoulder I think what we really try to do even though we're not installing the fiber as the county I think one of the
services we provide is that that customer contact that citizen contact and when I say that I don't just mean a phone call or an email I mean go to the house kind of contact and that's what Rook has
been doing for us as a matter of fact we've been doing a lot of night meetings as well Rook I think even last night had a meeting with a neighborhood to go over the sort of the expectations of the
projects and I don't think we talked about that enough to let you know that but I think it goes a really long way with the citizens for them to understand when the bottom line is really do really want
to know when is it coming to me and we really wish we had that answer we know it's coming soon and all the ducks are lined up and the mainline fibers in and all that so it's a really good story to
tell and I think that those meetings have gone really well and we've been having them all over the county so did want to make sure I touched on that real quick and with that on the screen this is a
metric that we've been using and we've been showing this for many months now there's 6,198 passings that we have in the contract with All Points Broadband just so you know we've actually passed way
more than that the contract has gone way past 6,198 which is actually a good thing more homes have been passed but the take rate meaning how many homes actually want the connection actually start
paying a All Points Broadband monthly bill is roughly 30% so if you just do the quick math on that you have about 1,859 again that's not a contract number that's just our metric to see how the
progress the progress of the project goes and as of I think it was last Thursday we have about 1,478 homes are connected which is leaves about 381 so again that's about that's just our metric checking
on the progress of the project so again things are going really well this is a nice little update that you haven't seen yet I always talk about the website that we have and we have it set up for our
citizens the website actually did a really good job of informing the citizens of all of the updates that we've had the problem is we've had so many updates it became a little cluttered so Rook and
myself we got with the IT department asked them if they could be a little creative on updating the website to make it a little bit more user friendly provide like a little update section even though
we had that it just had a lot of information anyway long story short we've seen on the screen as a few months worth of work to get to a point where we have a more streamlined website and I think it's
a little bit user friendly more user friendly than it has been in the past so just want to make sure give a little bit of a shout out to our IT department for helping us through that and giving us
something that looks a little bit more user friendly so so we've always touched on the the VADI funding which is our contract law points broadband there is the art off funding I don't really mention
that anymore because that was with bright speed that was a direct contract from the state to them so it didn't really concern us at all other than the fact that they were installing fiber in Hanover
County but there were several holes in the swiss cheese so to speak that of neighborhoods and homes and private roads and things that never really got captured by either one of those funding sources
so the state came up with what they called the bead funding so the bead funding has been issued all contracts have been signed I think we mentioned that a few meetings ago and it's still progressing
and I actually just asked for an update from the DHCD which is the Department of Housing Community Development the state agency that runs the funding for all these broadband projects and they said the
only thing really left is the environmental piece they said it's almost complete and they're thinking that it should be done by the end of the year they didn't want to tell us the wrong thing but they
just said by the end of the year so we're hoping construction starts early next year on the bead funding and again that's not that's really just to pick up all the homes and things that weren't
captured in the original two funding sources what they've been finding out is that they're still like just a handful of homes that weren't even caught in the bead funding so they're doing a round two
called bead two it's just a much smaller funding source to really pick up those last few and when I say that they're dealing with the whole state of Virginia just to be clear it's not just Hanover
County so it's a whole state so it is a very very big project and trying to capture every single home is not an easy thing to do so I mentioned private roads we've had a process in place for probably
well over a year now and it's been going really well meeting with all the individual HOAs if we can get one HOA to sign the document for the entire neighborhood that is ideal for us and that has
happened on numerous occasions so we're really pleased by that but we have had to go to individual homes to get individual easements that's also gone really well every once in a while we encounter a
home that just doesn't want it so we do our best to try and work around that home maybe we can go down the other side of the street or something like that but those are some of the issues that we went
into we did mention this at the last meeting so I just want to touch on it one more time is that even though all points broadband is our provider there are other providers in the county it's not just
them it's not just bright speed that I mentioned there's glow fiber Verizon Comcast SIG or a lot of other providers and they're doing work and they don't always tell us when they do their work they
don't always tell us where they're working at sometimes we hear it from our citizens first but if there are any concerns I want to let the board know or if any citizens watching or reading this
PowerPoint presentation you are more than welcome to reach out to myself or Mr. Rogers at any time with any issues with any provider that is so just wanted to make sure that was clear and this is the
last time I mentioned this one we mentioned this a few times but Verizon did send out a letter saying that they were going to cancel some service to people if you had read the letter it did sort of
read that way if you're a citizen getting that you're thinking that they're just going to cancel your service if you don't have Fios or some other service that's not actually true if you read sort of
the fine print on it basically says you will still have DSL until we get you another service meaning it could be cable it could be coax but hopefully high speed fiber to be honest but it was a little
bit of a scary letter that went out and we had a lot of conversations with a lot of citizens about it but the good news is their DSL will not be canceled until there is another option for them and we
have that directly from Verizon and with that Mr. Chair that's the update we have and then if there's any questions I'm happy to answer them or we have Mr. Ennis here with all of them. Any questions
for Deputy Keeler? Mr. Keeler could you go back to your first slide? Wasn't there one before that? Maybe it's a second slide. That's it. The last paragraph can you explain to me exactly what that
means? So in talking with the state the way that the contracts are written they have what they call passings and it's not fully defined. What I mean is if you're on a public road that's a passing if
they go if the fiber installs right in front of your house you are a passing if you were part of the project you can connect. What's interesting is the twist of a private road that may have 20 homes
on it. The way the state sort of reads it is that if you go down and past the private road those 20 houses count as passings so we weren't really counting as the county we weren't counting those as
passings. You got to go down the private road for all those 20 homes to be counted so it's a little bit of a nuance between how that's read but what that's really saying is almost all the mileage that
we thought we were going to do is in fact done except the private roads and the railroad crossings so that I explained that a little bit better. So there's still mileage to do. On track to finish
December 31st with all public roads. All the public roads are done. It's really just the private roads and railroad crossings that we're at at this point. That's why I didn't want to say all the
mileage is done because technically it's not if you add in if there's a private road that's a half a mile to maybe even a mile long didn't want to say all the mileage has been done if that road hasn't
been down yet. So any idea what our target might be to complete the project? Yeah it would be December of this year. And the only thing that would be outstanding is the bead funding. Now there may
still be I just want to be clear this is there's weather pending those kinds of things. Our goal is to have the project done by the end of the year. It's still possible and Mr. Ennis can clarify a
little bit there it's still possible there may be some private roads or a few other homes that still haven't been got to. I just want to be clear on that. Our goal is the end of this year to get all
that done and roll right into the bead funding piece of all of this. And it's just the passing we're not saying every home will have internet. That's correct. That's correct. Yeah the passings thank
you for that. Yeah that is the nuance. Yeah the passing would be there and then maybe the home doesn't get connected until January even if they signed up there's still a process that they have to go
through they can't connect all the homes at once obviously. So there may be some of that signs up and says I signed up in maybe this month but they don't get connected until let's say January or maybe
even February but that's more of the nuance of all points getting to their house. Thank you for that. That is a good call. Thank you sir. Thank you Mr. Chair. Yes ma'am. Mr. Kilder mine is a related
question vaguely related question. I wanted to wait till you were directly done with dealing with internet but I'm getting word that Verizon is doing away with landlines connected to copper wire and
I'm having a lot of concerns especially from older folks in my district. Do we have any communication from them about a plan or a timing from them? Yeah well no on the plan that's a short answer but I
think the longer answer is we know who to contact at Verizon. We have a very good with a few very good contacts at Verizon. We do know they sent that letter out about the DSL copper connections. It
was a little scary if you got it right it was a little scary saying you're not your service is going to be shut off that's not actually true but back to your question is there a plan to get FiOS or
something of that nature to those homes. We do know they're working on it Verizon did get some bead funding as well but the actual plan and something like that we we have asked a few times. Just to be
clear. I'm not really as I mean certainly I'm concerned about internet connection but I'm not really as concerned about DSL as I am about actual phones because there are many older folks in my
community who don't they don't have cell phones or they're not comfortable using them and to know that they're losing their landlines they're worried about 911 service but they're very antsy because
they know it's coming but they don't know when it's coming so that's if you can help me figure that out at some point. I will definitely look in to see if you can provide and now that it's in a public
setting I can say hey this was mentioned at one of our board meetings we really need an answer on this. We have made several requests so you know thank you yeah it's been a little frustrating. Okay
anything further? Very well thank you Mr. Kilduff, Mr. Ennis thank you for being with us. Good afternoon Mr. Chairman, members of the board. Thank you for an opportunity to provide an update on our
broadband project I've got a pretty simple slide here but happy to answer any questions I can talk about a little bit about the Verizon issue in private roads. So as Mr. Kilduff mentioned our mainland
fiber construction is substantially complete we do have two railroad crossings while I was sitting here our head of construction texted me he said that the flagging crews which we need have been
scheduled we have called in utility locates so fingers crossed the railroad will be complete on Friday it's not done till it's done but it's getting very close it's been about 18 months in process
there so very happy to have that coming up very soon. For the private easements private roads 58% of those we have all the easements collected and recorded 27% are out with either HOA's or individual
homeowners for their review and approval at 15% the community or the homeowners have said we're not signing any easement or they've sent them back and asked for revisions from our legal department so
that's the general breakdown of locations that are subject to a private easement we have about 1500 active subscribers and another 500 who have signed up and their installation or drop is underway
some of those do require a private easement but as Todd pointed out it's a great take rate people are taking advantage of the investment that the county all points in the state has made in rural
broadband I suspect that number will continue to go up but for a year after people can sign up they can participate in all of the benefits of the program which primarily is a free standard
installation I've included in here a mailer this is the front of a mailer that went to all locations in the county that have not signed up for service as a postcard we are advertising now 300 megabits
per second for $49 a month when we started this project it was 50 megabits for $59 a month so we're dropping our price increasing the service level we also offer two gigabit service now which was not
an option when we started this program so these would be competitive prices even in areas that were served and now you have top of the class fiber broadband service at very competitive pricing so the
marketing is continuing these go out about twice a month until you sign up for service or subscribe opt out from our marketing so we're going to keep doing that make sure people take advantage of it
in terms of the landline service for Verizon I know that a lot of older constituents especially are worried about keeping their same phone number so if you subscribe to all points broadband service
you sign up for our voice product we can port over your existing phone number I've spoken with a handful of handover residents who have asked how do we do that I got this letter from Verizon I want to
make sure I don't lose my phone number from what we have read in the publicly available documents Verizon is not going to shut off your landline service until you have a reasonable alternative but if
you do take all points broadband we can give you a voice product that will allow you to maintain your existing phone line so good news on the railroad crossing we're still working on private easements
a lot of help from Mr. Hertzberg Mr. Rogers Mr. Kildoff on that these last 27% it is a lot of work in the field but we'll get those done we'll get the conduit and the fiber placed and then we can add
those locations to our active network with that I'd be happy to answer any questions any questions from Mr. Dennis Mr. Hertzberg thank you Mr. Chairman no questions Mr. Dennis I would just like to
thank you again for your willingness to come here I know that you have you and all points have a lot going on there's a lot of residents out there there are a lot of people who've been waiting
patiently for an internet connection and you guys you and your team have been working hard diligently for many months to get them served always been willing to come here and that means a lot thank you
very much anything further thank you for the conference about date Mr. Dennis we appreciate that thank you for for being here like Mr. Hertzberg that means a lot this is important information we need
to have it so thank you thank you next item on the agenda item number eight is a presentation from economic development on the annual report for fiscal year 2026 director Brandon Turner is with us
director Turner thank you for being here ladies and gentlemen if you'll bear with us we would like to have this presentation up for the public record we'll take a few more moments and try to act it
out if you need me to thank you I tried to act out the fall of the unemployment rate up front just a second Mr. all right thank you're up and running all right thank you very much good afternoon Mr.
Chairman members of the board for the record Brandon Turner director of economic development I am here to present the FY 26 annual report and give you an overview of some of the things that we've been
involved with over the past year and I will just I am getting over a cold so if I start to fade out a little bit just bear with me but we'll get through this so I want to talk first of course I can't
do anything without bringing up the team that makes the teamwork that makes the dream work of course I am very blessed to have an outstanding group of individuals working with me I'd put our team up
against any ED office in the state with everything that we do from attracting business to programming to existing business we of course our priorities are with the existing business community helping
to solve any problems address issues they need help with expansions we also work to attract new business and we work very closely with entrepreneurs and employers and that actually has been very busy
over the past couple of years there's been a huge push of entrepreneurship in the county and the number of resources in the region to help with that have grown we serve on fifteen different boards
committees and commissions amongst our department including such groups as greater Richmond partnership dominion energy innovation center and we're part of ten professional organizations such as the
Virginia economic developers association head over chamber of commerce and this is how we can keep in touch with our colleagues across the state region and nation to learn about best practices and
things that we need to implement and work towards here and just kind of to dig into that a little bit more partnerships this is just a sample list of some of the partnerships we have we work very
closely with groups such as the Virginia economic development partnership head over chamber plan RVA score SBDC we can't do this alone it is a group effort and we have an outstanding group of
resources in the region that we work closely with all the time on a call at two partnerships that we have really worked to strengthen over the past year and one of which is with the school system head
over county public schools we are on several committees with them to help shape curriculum for the kids in the future as well as look at the expansion of the trade school and what needs to be done
there to get kids ready for the careers of the future and so this has been a very fruitful partnership we're making a lot of progress I want to thank you all and the school board for your support with
the trade school in particular we're very excited about that expansion and we have a number of businesses in the community that are very excited about that another partnership that I want to touch
base on is the dominion energy innovation center we work very closely with them this year they were named it was either 34th or 35th best incubator and accelerator in the United States out of over a
thousand located in the town of Ashland they right now have another energy incubation excuse me accelerator program that's going on they accepted 12 businesses and startups into that out of 80 from
across the world that applies so this little institution in Ashland is global now and we've had companies spin out of their in fact accelerate accelerate which I have I'll mention again in the future
they actually spun out and are leasing about 50,000 square feet of space doing engineering and manufacturing in Hanover County they didn't exist two years ago and now they're a vibrant active
community partner so that's just another success story and one of the partnerships I just want to highlight a couple I could talk about success stories all day long so I want to go through a couple of
data points you can't get an economic update without some data labor force grew this year but it was very slow and that's represented nationwide we're seeing these trends across the country as the
economy changes and there are different factors that are impacting that but ours is growing at a stable or a little better rate than some communities around so nothing to be afraid of at this point
unemployment is running about 3% that's up a little bit from the past but it's still below full employment we're still running below region and state and national levels which is good annual wages
ticked up a little bit this past year by about $1,000 but they're up about 26% over the past five years property values total taxable excess values they're up this year commercial is up about $200
million and that's good again as we can try to shift more of the taxable value on to commercial that helps with the citizenry we're still not close to that 30% that we're hoping to get to but we're
making some progress hoping with some developments and projects and investment we got coming that that's going to help to spread that out over the next five years I do want to talk very briefly about
the vacancy rates you see on the right table tell a little bit of the story about what they mean if you look at the top one retail that's 2.8% there's just not a lot of retail space in Hanover County
and we that's one of our struggles and we have people that want to open retail or especially restaurant there's no space it's very challenging now thankfully we've got some commercial projects coming
online that are going to help address that so I think that low number is going to continue to stay low but I'm very thankful for this inventory that will be coming pretty soon especially in the route
one and three sixty corridors office vacancy it was around four and a half to 5% it ticked up to 6.2% last quarter I just got third quarters the other day it's back down to about 5% we think there was
an anomaly in the reporting but even at 6.2% that's better than most localities now who are running into the teens and twenties with office vacancy flex and industrial continue to remain low 4.8% 6.3%
I get asked sometimes you know why are more shell buildings being built because the ones we have are empty they're not empty just because a car is not out there all the time doesn't mean they're not
active and very busy some of these are 24/7 operations that have only a handful of people in at a time some don't employ that many but I can tell you that most of these buildings are full and in fact
most of the industrial vacancy is related to a handful of large buildings that have been vacant for a while we went across from Bass Pro Shop on uh Lake Ridge Parkway and that building is getting
significant interest if that goes that rate is going to come down and that can be a challenge while we're trying to attract manufacturing into the area if that gets too low we do have some inventory
that will help address that so these sectors remain very vibrant and the vacancy rates in Hanover and Greater Richmond are some of the lowest in the United States um I'd like to talk about the GDP
real quick we are about a 9.23 billion dollar economy that's about a three percent growth over last year a little slower than it's been still competitive very much with the nation state and the region
um we are the 19th largest economy in Virginia and you can see the sectors there that are leading it which is a finance insurance real estate wholesale trade retail trade professional business
services we'll be getting the 2025 numbers around December of this year and I'm expecting another bump in our GDP so let's talk about some of the announcements and projects we had this past year we
had a great ribbon cutting event for the Kroger Marketplace out on 360 um very exciting that Rosadon Electric who had a presence on 360 and Mechanicsville they had about 10 people there they've
announced that they're going to be hiring 250 people and taking down a building uh just north of about where Home Depot is and uh for electrical contracting and they are already in conversation with
our schools as far as trades and uh internships apprenticeships etc so great opportunity there I think they're going to plan to open the building in Q1 of this upcoming year DPR construction took down
a large building in North Lake 2 to expand their presence in the county um we have Crescent Business Center that is building four more smaller spec buildings in the county and they're getting strong
interest in that and then of course I think we're all excited that Bon Secours opened the emergency center this past year I know several people who said they didn't want to go there but circumstances
required them to go there uh because nobody wants to go to an emergency room but I have heard nothing but wonderful things about that so we're very happy and thankful for Bon Secours and their
investment in this community it's been a much needed asset to our community Mr. Turner can you can you explain what you mean when you use the term takedown you say takedown a building oh at least yes
sorry they didn't knock it down they leased the building um up in the top right you see a few other announcements we've had this year these are the restaurants that's very important to our office of
course Wong's Tacos finally opened we're very thrilled about that I know seven brew opened in the town of Ashland and Miss Pritchard have had a few conversations about the traffic jams when they
opened thinking that I-95 was closed down but it was not it was coffee and I'll tell you something else cool about that is that's a chain that's very popular with the young cool kids and I think it's
great that we're getting some of these things in the county now because it's showing a diversity of there's a different type of amenities and and restaurants that we can offer for the community um I
support restaurants anyway I think they're great um Bravo bakery we worked very closely with them for years now and they've expanded into the town of Ashland excellent excellent um individual to work
with so great investment 222 million dollars in CapEx um and a good diversity of businesses opening up business support we had 133 visits that we did this past year we assisted 124 different companies
I want to talk about that again in a second we launched an entrepreneur certification course with startup Virginia that has proven um surprisingly successful and we've had a number of individuals go
through this free course to learn how to open a business um and Glauvey in my office completed the Virginia rural institute um leadership program her capstone project was a field and farm tour and
technically this is next fiscal year but I gotta talk about it because it just went so well um that was held this past weekend I have heard no complaints the only complaints I've really heard is we
needed more time because we didn't get to enough business um we had about 3700 visitors to the farms it was well organized well planned um I heard that there were smiles from everybody from the kids
to the farm owners etc this took a considerable amount of work from um Ann and I can't think enough the partnership with the farms they really dove into this we've had two farms reach out to us this
week that want to be added to the tour next year that weren't on it this year um some interesting interesting farms um so we'll see how that goes but we would like to do this again because it was an
outstanding success we um Senator Warner's office reached out to our office this year about our business roundtable we helped to coordinate that um another thing that we helped to work with this year
was a economic outlook seminar with the Federal Reserve we helped in Renee Halton with the Federal Reserve as an outstanding speaker some of you were present for that that was very well attended and
we got a lot of very positive feedback uh trying to understand the complexities of the economy I do want to talk briefly about what is a business support I use that number every year and I don't
really explain a lot what that means I think sometimes people think that's oh you responded to 124 emails or phone calls and sometimes business support is as simple as that hey I need to register a
business who do I reach out to Commissioner of revenues office pretty quick some of these business supports that we do last years they can result in numerous meetings a lot of research etc and so
things like resources for different businesses and non-profits salary studies we had a company reach out about international background checks this year my office now knows how to do that but that
took a little time to figure it out but what I like about that is it takes it off the back of the business they can focus on their business while we try to address some of these programs and and
projects and uh complications and streamline their operations so we work very frequently to help support these business with workforce real estate contacts resources connections etc and keeping our
existing businesses happy is a foundation of economic development it's easier to keep businesses in a community than it is to attract them we have a very good relationship with our business community
and we work very hard to keep that going marketing outreach you can see some of the numbers here our newsletter continues to be very popular we send that out once a month and membership response on
that has been very positive we re overhauled our website this year it was outdated about eight years ago and badly needed a refresh and we did that cut down on some of the wording more pictures and
graphics and visuals it's been very well received in fact Rick Whittington who we contract with to do our website won an award for his design of our website this year we continue to update and keep
our hiring and handover app up to date it's one of the few economic development workforce apps in the state and so we keep that going and then I do want to talk about the promotional videos on the
right of the screen if you haven't had time to watch these watch them these are individuals running businesses in our community they tell the story of how the business got where it is where it's going
their their appreciation for the community I'll pick on my good friend Frank Payne at the bottom with PD Brooks you look at that and think well he puts out traffic cones the science behind traffic
cones and traffic mitigation the fact that they've gone from about thirty or forty employees to over three hundred in just two to three years I mean those stories and these stories are being repeated
all over the county so we like to do that and tell the story of the different businesses we have I do want to briefly mention the economic development authority we do have two members here today our
chair Mr. Trey Hayden and also Mr. Sam Ziden sitting behind me they we got a great group here every one of them fills a gap that we had and I am very proud to work with this group of individuals the
knowledge experience that they bring to the table is outstanding as I told them at their meeting this morning it takes a lot of work to build a house but you gotta have a good foundation that's what
we've been working on with the EDA over the past several years and I think we've got a foundation in place and ready to put some walls up a couple things that they've done over this past year they
overhaul the industrial bond revenue application process to make it more comprehensive but also keep it easier to utilize and capture additional revenue they actually approved that this morning so
that is fresh off the press they sponsored a this Federal Reserve and a hospitality workshop this past year conducted a hotel analysis to look at where can we accommodate more hotels what type of
hotels can we accommodate meeting space and that come directly from a need we're hearing in the community I've heard it from you all from administration from our office is meeting space as a premium
so they conducted that study which has been sent to some members of the development community they've had two meetings to date with Ashland EDA there's another one we're planning for the fall we're
trying to do that every six months first time in the history of the two EDAs that I am aware of they have been meeting and collaborating and the Ashland EDA come on board as a sponsor for the biz
bites and beverages this excuse me heart of hand over business awards and they're going to do that again next year so they're collaborating together reviewed and approved the application for the
fields and farms tour we'll get so excited about the bond application overhaul that we put it twice so ignore that bottom middle we love a good form and then they have attended numerous meetings and
projects and worked very closely with you all and please utilize this group anytime you have questions or need assistance they are there and ready to help you all as much as they can so I just want to
talk briefly about a couple things we're working on and continue to do all this upcoming year business attraction we'll continue to work to bring business into this community we're going to continue
to work to assist the businesses we have here in a hundred different ways and again it's so much easier to help solve problems than it is to bring new business in and so we want to continue to do that
where they arise workforce development is a big issue we will continue to push that especially with the schools that is a partnership that I see paying dividends for generations to come and we will
continue to push on that looking at incentive programs are there ways that we can figure out how to attract the types of businesses especially manufacturing that we want into our community we're also
doing a targeted outreach for restaurant I've heard a lot of people in the community say there's certain types of restaurants we don't have in Hanover County this has been a challenge in the past
because we didn't have any space again we got a 2.7% vacancy rate but with some of the new commercial development coming online this is a great time to reach out so we've identified many dozens of
restaurants and groups that we're going to be reaching out to over the upcoming for the rest of this year and then tourism support I'm going to tell you Rachel Smith and tourism is doing a bang up job
she has helped our office in a lot of ways and taking on a lot of the responsibilities we had in tourism and we continue to partner with her on a number of different initiatives we're only going to
grow that as she's got her foundation in place now we got a lot of exciting things we're going to be working with her on so very thankful for that and that's a very quick overview of what our office
has done this past year I'll be giving more information at the state of the county event of course in November but I do want to thank all of you for your support for showing up to events for reaching
out to us asking questions attending meetings I know sometimes we hit you up a lot with meetings and I do appreciate when you take the time to be there the support you give our businesses it is very
much noticed by the business community and so I think you all think administration I think department heads a number of them are here who work very closely with us this this is a great team we've got
they help make my job easier every day as well so with that if you have any questions or feedback or anything please let me know thank you mr. Turner any questions for mr. Turner any comments mr.
Tersberg thank you mr. chairman thank you for your presentation I heard you mentioned the 30 percent goal I would imagine that that's for a commercial and retail yes sir and you've mentioned that
we're not near there yet but where do you believe that we are what percent about eighteen point five percent is a market for yes and that was on current yeah I want to say we run consistently around
nineteen percent all right yeah there's quite a bit of work to do there we do have a lot of work to do yes sir I heard you say meeting spaces in demand what size roughly we have a severe deficit in
the county of any indoor space around 200 people that is open to the public seating two to three hundred people that's what I thought so I have some ideas on that maybe we can talk later you mentioned
retail and office space can you give me some examples of retail um as far as what we're looking to bring in or would be in demand and would be considered successful there are very few large retailers
that are looking to expand so when you think the traditional retail like Macy's Best Buy those things they're very limited anymore it's typically smaller scale niche retail um with some of the
projects that we're seeing and I know near my office we have Lucky Road running store has opened those kind of smaller niche retail that's what we're seeing a lot of interest in we're seeing a lot of
interest in mom and pop retail so think um head over mercantile uh some of those type of retail they're looking in the area um I have reached out to some larger retailers especially in result in
regards to the vacant building you have out on 360 uh the old Kroger building um and there's a lot of challenges getting larger retail in right now um and that's that's being seen everywhere that's
not just a handover issue sure yeah my question was more towards the smaller scale retail there's a lot more demand for that than the large yes sir okay Is there demand for office space even though
you showed a vacancy of six percent? Yes and no. I don't think there's a demand in Hanover County for 20, 30, 40 thousand square feet of corporate office space. I do think there is an increasing
demand in smaller scale what I would call neighborhood support office space. So think about where my office is around the Atlee area. This is where your real estate agents go, your small office uses.
There is not a lot of that space in some of our faster growing parts of the county. So we have seen a little bit of a challenge finding space for tenants in those areas. Okay. We do have a zoning
application for Creighton Parkway so I'm not going to get into that. But I have brought up in the past about the possibility of adding the smaller scale retail and restaurants to the area. And someone
told me, not you, not anyone in this room, well it has to be rezoned first. And my thought was the property is already rezoned, the property is already zoned B3. So why would it be so challenging to
rezone a property that's already B3 for B2 or B3 use? I can't answer to that to be quite frank but what I can tell you is when we see interest in retail food service moving into buildings is when
construction is underway. That's when you start to see the interest go up. When it's a virgin piece of land, whether it's zoned or not, the building is not there. The momentum is not there. Once the
building starts going up and is complete, that's when you see the demand go through the roof. If you look at the shopping center above my office on 301 where Hanover Mercantile is, Grit Coffee, that
building went up, had very little interest at first. Once it was completed, that's when you started to see the interest because you had the walls, the roof. Basically at that point, all you've got is
the up-fits. And from my experience, that's when I've seen the interest has gone up. So I think with that particular project, if it moves forward and if you start to see some walls going up, I think
that's when the interest is going to go. Okay, so I hadn't thought of that. I just want to make sure I understand you correctly. You're saying that some potential new businesses would be more
attracted to a building that's already being built with walls compared to something that they can build the way that they want. In most cases, now when you get into big chain restaurants, that might
be a little different. But the mom and pop, the more local, yes, they like to see the real estate there. And it's a chicken and an egg. You want them there, but you don't have the building. And you
got to take the risk of building the building and hoping they come. So it's a risk that the developers take. I will tell you that we stand ready. And like I said, we're going to be reaching out to a
number of different retail -- excuse me -- restaurant and some retailers for that project and several others to try to help get some good tenants in there. Okay, well, thank you very much. Thank you,
Mr. Chairman. Certainly, sir. I have two questions and a comment. So are we seeing an uptick in businesses that perhaps have more than one -- they're multifunctional. So, for example, Hannah
Vermerkentile started as a fully retail business, and now they're doing a lot of wine tasting, expanding their clientele. Are we looking for that, or is that just happenstance? I think it's just
happening. I don't see a trend, to be very frank. Let me -- I will ask in my office with Ann in particular who works with them closer. I think it's just a change of business. I don't think -- I'm not
seeing anything -- Just curious. Yeah, yeah. And the second thing is, do we have target areas on -- for us, for restaurants? There's a restaurant way out on 360 that I would have thought is not going
to succeed out here, and it is busy all the time. And so I was curious about whether we have specific target areas for restaurants or -- Yes and no. I mean, we'll work with anybody. Let's open a
restaurant anywhere. And I've seen successful cases where a restaurant goes in the middle of a very rural area and is very successful. But I will tell you the areas that we are seeing a lot of
interest and target is 301, Route 1, especially the Virginia Center Commons area because of everything going on there, and then 360, especially closer in. And you think about it, that's the areas
where you have the higher population density, the higher growth, and there's close proximity to things going on in Henrico and the interstate. So I would say those are probably the closest areas. And
then, of course, the town of Ashland is always a node. So I would say that's probably the biggest areas. And that's where we're seeing the most interest and have for several years. And fun fact to end
with, Ms. Glava's father was the vice mayor in the town of Ashland some time ago. So she's got her roots anchored well. She does. And I learned something new about her all the time. She's like our
local celebrity. Thank you. Anyone? Thank you, sir. We appreciate it. Thank you. Right. Next item on the agenda is proposed closed session. Should the board approve? The chair recognizes Vice Chair
Stoneman. Thank you, Mr. Chair. At this time, I move that the Board of Supervisors move into closed session as authorized under the following authority, Virginia Code 2.2-3711A3, discussion of
consideration of the acquisition of real property for the public purpose, GPENS 8725-82-0240, GPEN 8725-92-5374, and GPEN 8735-02-3538. Item number -- second item is Virginia Code 2.2-3711A3,
consideration of acquisition of real property for the purpose -- for public purpose, Creighton Road and Creighton Parkway, Walnut Grove, and Roundabout Project, GPENS 8724-76-1780, and GPEN
8724-76-1236. Also pursuing a Virginia Code 2.2-3711A7, consultation with legal counsel and briefings by staff members pertaining to actual or probable litigation. Status of condemnation actions
connected with Polk Green Road widening project. The last item, pursuing a Virginia Code 2.2-3711A3, discussions or consideration of the acquisition of real property for public purpose, GPEN
7795-99-9936. We have a motion. Second. We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. This board is in
closed session.