2026-09-23 - City Council

10:49Do I have to wait for Dave?

10:51>> Okay,

10:53we won't. Um, I'll call the meeting in

10:56order of the uh finance committee. Clerk

10:58will call the role.

11:04>> Where's the sir?

11:05>> Down here.

11:06>> Down here.

11:08>> Oh, yeah. I heard it turn on. We thought

11:09when

11:12>> you feel the dirty job, huh?

11:14>> Seriously,

11:15>> I gave him the young people job.

11:18>> I think it

11:20>> the old farts don't uh

11:21>> It's not your first rodeo, right?

11:23>> I got a ticket for Harvard and Brown

11:25tomorrow.

11:26>> I got a ticket for Harvard and Brown

11:28tomorrow. I got Centerville Bank.

11:30>> Okay. So, we're ready to go.

11:31>> Yes. Hello,

11:36>> Wilder. here.

11:38>> Council Moran, Council Rubio

11:40>> here.

11:42>> Okay. Uh, any public input?

11:47>> Any public input up there?

11:48>> No.

11:49>> All right. Uh, number two, Councelor

11:53Rubio.

11:53>> Item number two, a communication from

11:55Greg T. Anderson, human resource

11:57coordinator to the honorable members of

11:58the Pucket City Council. A request for

12:00city council approval and personnel

12:02board recommendation establishment of

12:05parking enforcement officer position.

12:08Move to take this up.

12:10>> Motion has been made by councelor Rubio,

12:11second by council wildenhane uh that we

12:13take up uh the communication from Greg

12:15Anderson and the human resource

12:16coordinator for the honorable members of

12:18Tucket City Council requesting a city

12:20council approval for and personal board

12:23recommendation establishing a parking

12:25and enforcement officer position. All

12:27those all those in favor taking it up.

12:28Hi.

12:31>> All right. Thank you,

12:32>> director. Go ahead.

12:34>> Good evening, uh, honorable members of

12:35the city council. Uh, the city

12:37respectfully request your approval to

12:39establish a new position with the Pucket

12:41Police Department titled parking

12:43enforcement officer. This position will

12:45be incorporated into the Rhode Island

12:46Council 94 ask me AFL CIO local 3960

12:50bargaining unit assigned a pay grade of

12:5212T in accordance with the applicable

12:54collective bargaining agreement. This

12:56position would enforce city parking

12:57regulations, respond to complaints,

12:59issue citations, and address reoccurring

13:02violations throughout, allowing sworn

13:04officers to remain focused on emergency

13:06response, traffic safety,

13:08investigations, and other public safety

13:10responsibilities. This need is

13:12particularly evident around Centerville

13:14Bank Stadium during sporting events,

13:15concerts, and other large gatherings

13:17when increased traffic, pedestrian

13:19activity can result in vehicle blocking

13:21sidewalks, crosswalks, fire lanes,

13:23intersections, and emergency access

13:24routes. position would also support

13:27enforcement in neighborhoods, commercial

13:29districts, and other high demand areas

13:31throughout the city. Establishing this

13:33position provide a consistent and

13:35proactive approach to parking

13:36enforcement, traffic, and pedestrian and

13:38safety, and reduce the need for sworn

13:40offers to lead patrol assignments or

13:42other calls for services to address

13:44parks.

13:46>> Um, thank you, director. Right. I had a

13:48brief discussion with the chief the

13:50other day about it and um this is more

13:53over just kind of assigning a guy versus

13:55somebody calling down and we're having

13:57to wait two or three hours. By that time

13:59it's all resolved. This here is this

14:01guy's just going to basically float

14:02around the city and and uh deal with

14:04issues and stuff. Correct. Okay. Um

14:09I asked her let me let me I asked her

14:12the question too. Would he have other

14:14offices to direct or he'd be the only

14:16officer out doing this inspection?

14:19>> He'd be the only one. For now, we're

14:21just looking at one position.

14:22>> But he could also call in for support if

14:24it need be in other

14:27>> Yeah. Other officers would still be able

14:29to enforce parking uh or if he needed

14:31assistance, he could go help him. He

14:33wouldn't be on his own, but his primary

14:35focus.

14:36>> Okay. All right. Does the committee have

14:39any question? customer.

14:40>> This person do like look at vehicles

14:42that are parked on the corner too close

14:44to the corner, you know, like toward the

14:45major intersection. I get a lot of calls

14:47on that like

14:48>> 20 foot thing parking.

14:51>> I know that we get downtown businesses,

14:52we have the one two-hour parking and

14:54honestly it's really difficult with one

14:56car assigned to a district to go check

14:57it, but they might might not be able to

14:59get back to that spot next hour or two

15:01afraid.

15:02>> Yep.

15:02>> And and will that will that individual

15:04ticket for sure? Because I know when I

15:05make calls to dispatch, it's a mixed

15:08message. And don't get me wrong, I think

15:10police department does a great job.

15:11Enough against police department, but

15:12there are times where I call it in and

15:14then I found out somebody might have

15:15gone out there, but they didn't take it.

15:16So I don't, you know, I mean, sometimes

15:18it seems inconsistent. So would there be

15:19more consistency with the individual

15:21going out there and can we compare the

15:23record of that person doing what they do

15:25versus what's been called in and what's

15:26been active

15:28primary focus and his number one job? I

15:31would imagine that all

15:33be Obviously, there's always going to be

15:36discretion, correct?

15:37>> But it would be probably at a different

15:39level and and even sometimes when you

15:41don't know somebody gets out there, it

15:42might be going back to that situation

15:43where there's call in a certain district

15:45or a car parked too close to the corner

15:47and we honestly can't get a car there

15:49for an hour or two and car might never.

15:52>> Yeah. And then they leave too. That's

15:54>> come back to the same spot and look, but

15:56they have we went behind. that this

15:58would allow that somebody to have that

16:00be their part to focus it whether it be

16:03business complaints about parking or

16:06house gang complaints with neighborhood

16:07parking or big stadium also talking

16:10about letting them do being able to pull

16:13unregistered cars when cars are sitting

16:15out for a while you'll have the ability

16:17that as well

16:18>> will there be a measure to success you

16:20know measure success on it because it's

16:21it's first time assuming it gets passed

16:24you know what I mean

16:24>> we can set up whatever measure of

16:26success realistically yeah we we on what

16:28what you're looking for. I think that

16:30the ticket volume that he'll give if he

16:32want is that what you're looking for,

16:36>> right? I I think also that with this

16:38person being it's one person in position

16:40and their sole purpose is to give and

16:42take they're going to be able to focus

16:43on those trouble areas and the known

16:45areas that you know cause us issues like

16:47you know obviously sporting events at

16:48the stadium but some of the downtown

16:50parking issues we have you know for

16:51example some of the issues that you

16:53spoke about counselor you know as far as

16:55so they'll be able to focus on that

16:56hopefully if somebody's out there on a

16:57regular basis doing these things it's

16:59going to take away from people you know

17:01people kind of park it's from what I'm

17:02building kind of a free-for-all stadium

17:04right now and we just don't have the

17:05ability the ticket everybody that's out

17:07there but this person is out there doing

17:09it is going to clean some

17:10>> is that one person in like one shift

17:12only like an hour certain hour shift of

17:14the day. what it was explained to me and

17:16maybe you could still

17:18>> but determined around the schedule be

17:21flexible okay

17:22>> because it you know and with with the

17:24summer time there's street sweeping so

17:25we want him there during the street

17:26sweeping but

17:27>> we have a football game on Friday night

17:29and soccer game on Saturday and he's

17:32willing to like okay well let's have you

17:33come when are the parking issues

17:37>> focus on those times

17:38>> exactly

17:38>> okay so it won't be a set thing like

17:40>> yeah and I'm glad you're talking about

17:42the stadium because we've had a lot of

17:43concerns around that

17:45>> then folks not following up. You know,

17:47we don't see cops coming in ticketing

17:49anyone and people parking people's

17:51driveways. It's ridiculous.

17:53>> People are photocopying parking pass.

17:54>> Yeah, it's pretty bad out there. So, I'm

17:56glad you're honing in on that.

17:58>> We really focused on

18:00making a festival and it was a lot was

18:03uncovered. But even again the tricky

18:05part with that is we have the officers

18:07assigned to the detail that are for the

18:09stadium and they need to be in the

18:10stadium because all the people that are

18:11there and then you have one district car

18:14that has all of district five.

18:17>> Yeah. So spread thin.

18:19>> It ends up being a real slippery slope

18:21when you get called for one car that

18:23doesn't have the the thing and then you

18:24go down you're on flipper street for one

18:26car one person all the car that car

18:29that.

18:30>> Yeah. And then it's tricky because you

18:32have all those other ancillary duties of

18:34your control. Now all of a sudden it's

18:35like well how come I got a ticket but

18:37the car behind didn't? Well he was

18:38giving you a ticket but then he got sent

18:39to

18:41>> where if you have a parking attendant if

18:43not hey you need to clear that call to

18:44go to domestic.

18:45>> This is your primary sole function so

18:48you will stay up.

18:49>> All right.

18:50>> Gotcha. Anything else?

18:52>> I think it's a great request. I think

18:53it's definitely needed. You know

18:55>> almost wish it was done sooner but what

18:56are you going to I honestly think this

18:58job is going to pay for itself to be

18:59>> probably to be honest with you.

19:01>> Oh yeah.

19:02>> All right. So that was a file that's

19:03communications been filed. So number

19:05three councelor Moran

19:06>> uh an ordinance uh repealing and

19:08replacing the schedule of pay rates for

19:10local 3960 and section 8812 of the code

19:13of ordinances of the city of Kentucky

19:151996

19:16add parking enforcement officer. My

19:19motion would be to uh approve the

19:22ordinance.

19:22>> Second of main council. Motion has been

19:26made by council man, seconded by councel

19:28Rubio um that we take up an ordinance

19:31repealing and replacing the schedule of

19:33pay rates for local 396 sections of

19:3688-12 the code of ordinance to the city

19:38of adding uh parking enforcement offer

19:41with the recommendation

19:44uh to the full council for approval.

19:48I take that up for I can just take it up

19:50for a vote.

19:51>> I know.

19:53>> Yes.

19:54>> Council Moran. Yes, council Rubio.

19:56>> Yes.

19:56>> Three to zero.

19:58>> I'm getting on with this. Okay, officers

20:01director, you're good. Thank you very

20:02much.

20:03>> Thank you.

20:08>> We'll see.

20:10>> Uh, Council [clears throat] Rubio,

20:12number four. Item number four, a

20:14contract between the Pucket School

20:16Committee and the Pucket Teachers

20:17Alliance Local 930 AFT AFL CIO for the

20:22period beginning September 1st, 2026

20:24through August 31st, 2029. I move to

20:27take this up. Second

20:28>> motion made by Council Rubio, seconded

20:30by Council Moran, that we take up a

20:32contract between the Pucket School

20:33Committee and the Pucket Teachers

20:35Alliance Local 930 AFT AFLCO for the

20:39period of September 1st, 2026 to August

20:4331st, 2029.

20:46All those in favor,

20:49>> uh, Chairman Bernolo, you want how do

20:51you want to start the presentation here?

20:52The CFO want to do it? Okay, now I'll

20:56leave it up to you to uh give your

20:58presentation and I'll also indicate um I

21:03think I've got a set of questions that I

21:05want as as well the K committee might

21:07have some questions too. So we'll go

21:09through those and then we'll we'll go

21:12from there. All right.

21:14So in this contract

21:22>> over three years it is approximately 72

21:26million the third year for salaries

21:30alone is 5.4

21:33uh I should say salaries and that so I

21:35did incorporate the benefits in

21:38>> blue crush

21:39>> um we had a 23.9% increase

21:44that in so that we didn't see the

21:46magnitude of the amount of money

21:48teachers that were expending uh so just

21:51note that medical benefits are in there

21:53which is sort of

21:56>> also year one it's 3% year two you can

21:59see is split so I just want to draw

22:00attention to that that it's actually a

22:022.13% decrease the average between the

22:05two

22:06>> again it only compounded on that 4.25 so

22:09I'm acknowledging that but

22:12in year three it's actually a 1.8

22:14as an average. So, and that includes the

22:16benefits and the salaries and the price

22:21that these costs um they budget a 2.5%

22:24increase not agree

22:28>> who is that

22:30budget. So, that.5% is around $340,000

22:37approximately. I do have some gap

22:38closures to make that happen. Um, I'm

22:41going to be looking at the new law that

22:43passed me. Um, so instead of them giving

22:46different CT rates for each school,

22:49they're going to do an average. We have

22:50a lot of people leaving, not a lot of

22:52kids saying. So in this moment, it might

22:54work for us. It's to be tested, but I'm

22:57looking at all the data to see how

22:58that'll work out. I think that'll give

23:00us some savings. Well, in our medical

23:02reserve, so when I came on, I'm used to

23:04a district where all the medical

23:05reserves you can sex income. South case

23:08half of that or I mean 85% can be used

23:13the other half not because we switched

23:15to vendors halfway through before I was

23:18here.

23:18>> So I'm going to look at offsetting some

23:20of that cost as well. So I close those

23:22gaps

23:27>> how much is that you that offsetting

23:29that you're talking about for

23:324.1 million in threat. We want to keep

23:35some in there though because we need to

23:37be able to do a few months of our

23:41bills know that we have there in case we

23:43have an IVR at the end of the year and

23:45we say we have some kind of high cost we

23:48didn't plan for. I will tell you since

23:49we've been here with my team we've been

23:51going through all of the people on

23:53medical and making sure they should be

23:55on it. We have found some skewing where

23:57there's some retired people that should

23:58be taken off that weren't there. There

24:00was three years where there wasn't a lot

24:02of oversight. So, we are in the weeds

24:05right now because the audit officially

24:07closed.

24:09Um, so we are now back in the weeds and

24:12we're looking at contracts. We're

24:13looking at each line. See who's

24:15overspending.

24:17So, I feel good about things turning

24:19around.

24:21>> You said was 4.4 million. Shut that

24:23phone off, will you? Let's see. Mine's

24:26on silent ask.

24:28>> You're asking for tell them I'm busy.

24:31Uh, all right. 4.4. 4. Thank you.

24:34>> Can I just to 4.1? Excuse me. I thought

24:37it was

24:38>> 4.1 is what's not allocated just yet or

24:41>> so that's in balance. It's a medical

24:43reserve

24:45that we can use it is to offset the

24:47premiums. Otherwise, we have to go back

24:49to everyone who contributed year over

24:51year all the way back and give them a

24:53percentage.

24:53>> And you said you can use up to 75% of

24:55that.

24:56>> Yes.

24:58So just for clarity purposes, the

25:01agreement that you're discussing is

25:03fully funded as it stands right now.

25:07>> I do believe

25:08>> without requesting additional funding

25:10from the city.

25:11>> The CTE

25:13and

25:14>> for this I'm just for this fiscal year.

25:18>> The CTE portion is a new thing that just

25:20happened this year. So I'm projecting

25:21off of something the state just made,

25:24but it does look as though we'll be able

25:25to close them.

25:27300,000ish gap between the two beds. And

25:30we'll bring the medical repair issue to

25:32the school clinic. I don't know if I

25:34have to go to you afterwards.

25:36>> I don't don't believe so.

25:37>> You're saying it's about 300,000 that

25:39you're still looking to find?

25:41>> Yep. And we have

25:42>> toate

25:43>> I'm sorry.

25:44>> We have a savings in

25:46>> So you're not looking for any money from

25:48the city even like as we get into the

25:50next budget coming up with upon this

25:52contract?

25:53>> She's not.

25:54>> We're talking [laughter]

25:58I may be jumping

26:00>> with the gun here.

26:01>> Trying to prepare myself for the worst.

26:04>> Uh, all right.

26:07>> A lot of these items

26:10before

26:13we got the minutes. And honestly, that's

26:15what we have for the kids. We've got the

26:16minutes.

26:18>> If we plan properly moving forward and

26:21get creative, which I think we can do, I

26:23I feel like we'll be fine. We just We

26:26need Okay,

26:27>> so the minutes for the kids this year,

26:30we've got 10 minutes and the elementary

26:34school are going in Del.

26:43So that's full educational minutes. And

26:46then year two, we got five more minutes.

26:49Year three, we have another five

26:51minutes. So at the end, we have 20

26:54minutes. I read I read that at the

26:56beginning of your contract and then I

26:58think the transportation point that you

27:00pointed out too by changing the times

27:02there was also a signing I I think that

27:04was a ride recommendation too if I if

27:06I'm not mistaken. So I'm I'm happy that

27:09the uh school committee acted on that

27:11and and put that in place.

27:13>> Um

27:16you have another

27:17>> Yeah. I just I another question I had

27:19was how does this agreement affect any

27:22type of classroom staffing teacher

27:24retention

27:26>> any sort of resources available for

27:28students? I just want to make sure that

27:29we're

27:30>> I mean that's okay. Um so in the first

27:34year

27:37those regular ed classrooms will see a

27:39change of smaller class in the second

27:41and third once it's too expensive in the

27:44second and third year special ed

27:46classrooms will go down um and that is

27:48something that the teachers really felt

27:50strongly about and I mean I think we

27:51also we feel strong the most needy kids

27:54and they need um small classrooms so

27:56that they can learn efficiently. So

28:00second third year it'll be special this

28:02year it's 8 to 12 we had we we wanted to

28:05do it all but so actually um even with

28:09longevity I did that at one point so we

28:11don't do that

28:13>> the dual lingo part of this

28:16>> budget

28:22does this take into account any of the

28:23rumors of the potential school closings

28:25and stuff where does that fit into this

28:27I

28:30because

28:33I don't think

28:35>> but nothing's happening this school year

28:40>> but we will be going out

28:46as a wholeity

28:53>> facilities and then make their

28:55recommendations because we are down in

28:59the 20 years I've been here, we're down

29:00by 3,000 students.

29:03So,

29:05>> um, director, you have anything else

29:06you'd like to add? I called director. I

29:10No, just the overview. Okay.

29:12>> I just need a clarification on on a

29:14question.

29:15>> Go ahead because I'm going to ask my

29:16questions and then we'll get you.

29:17>> Uh, you said Mm. MLL is the dual

29:20language program.

29:21>> Yeah.

29:23>> Multi- language learning.

29:24>> I'm sorry. multilanguage learning.

29:28>> Multilanguage learning.

29:30>> That's what they call

29:34>> and it's not called differently in any

29:36other schools or anything like that.

29:38>> ESL but now they keep

29:42>> but ESL not as a second language. I'm

29:44talking about same programming.

29:47>> Okay. I just want to clarify language.

29:50So whatever their language is, they come

29:52in.

29:55>> No, no, no. That's not what I'm talk I'm

29:56not talking about ESL. I'm talking about

29:58dual language programs. Dualingo

30:00programs. I mean dual language program.

30:03So they have the opportunity to learn

30:05Spanish and English or English and

30:07>> they do that in secondary. They did do

30:10it for a while in elementary.

30:13>> Yeah.

30:13>> Because my granddaughter took Chinese.

30:16Um but right now they don't have that.

30:19URI became too expensive.

30:22>> So that's not part of this budget is

30:24what I'm asking. Okay.

30:26>> Council Mar,

30:27>> my only question last question was

30:28longevity. I know there was something in

30:30there about that like was there some

30:31changes were made on that.

30:32>> Yes. And that starts in year two and

30:33three and strategically did it that way

30:36because I looked at when people will hit

30:39certain spots. So I did it the cheapest

30:41way possible. Yeah.

30:42>> They were very

30:44>> strong about wanting that. do have uh um

30:48mostly um more experienced teachers. So,

30:51it's yeah written for them.

30:53>> That was one of my questions that I had.

30:54But it and you already have longevity.

30:57It just looks like you put two new

30:58categories into there which which is for

31:01the senior people that you know would

31:02end up rewarding senior people for

31:04staying longer. So, um which I

31:06appreciate that.

31:07>> Um

31:08>> we're on that. Can I do you mind if I

31:09>> go ahead President Mercer?

31:12Most municipalities, most school

31:15departments are looking

31:18moving away from longevity, especially

31:20for

31:24well experienced

31:26individuals, including teachers. Now

31:28we're we're adding additional

31:32dollars and cents at the end of the

31:35career when 99% of most people putting

31:38together budgets are looking to bring in

31:40younger, more uh enthusiastic teachers.

31:45I don't take anything away at all about

31:47the veteran teacher. My wife is a

31:48veteran teacher 35 years, right? But

31:52this just seems in congruent to me that

31:55we're adding two layers at the top end

32:01primarily, I'm sure, having to do with

32:04pension. You know, pension pension

32:06reform caused problems, right? So now

32:09here we are with

32:11how do we if we're going to hang on a

32:13few more years, how do we maximize those

32:15years for pension purposes, right? that

32:17kind of also defeats the

32:21the idea of pension reform. So, I don't

32:24I don't know how we quite square this. I

32:25I get why they were big on it, but I'm

32:29not so sure that the taxpayers should be

32:32uh agreeing to something like that.

32:34>> I do think in this conduct there was a

32:36lot of quality. Not saying you don't get

32:40quality from young, but just saying we

32:41want minutes. We want the kids to have

32:43quality teachers that have stayed on for

32:45a long time. And if you think about it,

32:46they hit step 12 and I mean if my

32:49husband said retire, I'd be like, "Bye,

32:51I'm retiring." Do you know what I mean?

32:52But if you know you're going to get a

32:53longevity bump at some point because

32:55otherwise you're getting paid almost the

32:56same as much as somebody who's coming up

32:58and you've been there for what 40 years

33:00and somebody's been there for 20 years.

33:01If you're at the same you kind of feel

33:03like I I'm teaching this

33:06in a way. It's giving the quality staff

33:09a reason to stay. Yes. Yeah.

33:12>> Incentivize,

33:14you know,

33:16>> since you since you mentioned men, I

33:17don't mean to opalize here, but since

33:19you mention, you know, minutes equating

33:22that it's it's about the kids. Well,

33:24where was that concern? Three years ago,

33:27you know, we we this is why we're having

33:29this discussion tonight, right? Three

33:31years ago, we were given a contract and

33:34they and we were told wasn't you chair,

33:36it was uh

33:38>> chair shop. and I respect him vitally,

33:41but they sent it to us. They did it in

33:4510 seconds. Sent it to us and said,

33:47"Hey, get this done, will you?" And we

33:48said, "Look, poor planning on your

33:50part." I can remember saying it, poor

33:52planning on your part does not create a

33:54an emergency on our part. And then we

33:58went ahead and approved it. One year

34:00later during budget time, it was like,

34:02"Well, you approved it. You knew it was

34:04going to be 3% more, so just give us 3%

34:06more." That's not how it works. example

34:07one um

34:10was I just got to say um

34:14>> events agent does that to you I know

34:17>> longevity

34:19[laughter]

34:20>> he's not getting enough bump

34:23>> not getting it period

34:25he's president

34:27>> oh minutes

34:29then

34:31minutes we need to get minutes we gave

34:33minutes away we pay the teachers for

34:36threeear a contract to work less time in

34:39instructional time than ride required.

34:42Then we had to pay $750,000

34:45to correct that mistake.

34:46>> Yep.

34:47>> And now we want to think it's the most

34:49wonderful thing that we got in exchange

34:51for giving. We gut the number of

34:53instruction minutes we should have had

34:55in the first place. So it I got a lot of

34:58problems with all of this

35:00>> and that's and it stems back to that.

35:02Yeah. 10 more minutes. 10 more minutes

35:04should have had three years ago and we

35:06wouldn't have had to pay $750,000 to

35:08have them come back after the end of

35:10school. That's it. It's But again, you

35:14guys got this contract on a Tuesday

35:18night two weeks ago. First time other

35:20than the the negotiating committee, the

35:22first time the other members saw it and

35:24they voted unanimously in 10 minutes

35:28after 10 minutes in executive session.

35:31And then we're supposed to just say,

35:32"Yeah, okay." So, the problem is the

35:35voters of this city told us 10 years

35:38ago, we would like you to look over

35:41these contracts just like you do with

35:43police, fire, DPW, you name it. Right?

35:46There's a reason why we're here tonight

35:49because

35:51school committee, with all due respect,

35:53doesn't have to worry about revenue

35:56generation, just have to worry about

35:58expenses.

36:00That's why we are here. And I find it

36:05unfathomable that we had a contract that

36:09allowed

36:12for fewer minutes or hours or days of

36:15school instruction

36:17and then when we were called on it, we

36:19had to pay more $750,000

36:24more. So, I I do have some other

36:26questions that I'll I'll pose later on,

36:30but that's that's where I'm at least. I

36:34don't know if the rest of that's the

36:36whole thing.

36:37>> And I'm going to call you director

36:38because that's all I know as

36:41>> Yes, it was. Yeah. Um, as as the uh as

36:45the president points out, uh, we've gone

36:47through these. I've I've got 10 12 and

36:50and the police ones. I'm I'm glad for

36:52these spreadsheets at the end, you know,

36:55so that we know and I'm I'm glad that

36:56you guys did it, too. I really do

36:57appreciate that because it let helps us

36:59understand them. Uh but we are going to

37:01take more than 15 minutes to do that.

37:03So, in that interest, uh the structure

37:06that I wanted to put forward is I've got

37:09seven, it looks like six now because you

37:11answered one of the longevity questions,

37:12but I got six questions that I'd like

37:15you to answer. I don't expect you to

37:16have the answer for them tonight. Um,

37:19but I'm actually going to when we go out

37:21to regular chambers, I'm going to call

37:22for a special meeting on Monday so that

37:25hopefully on Monday when you come back,

37:27uh, that you'll have those answers for

37:30the committee and myself and then also

37:33it'll give my colleagues an opportunity,

37:36uh, to study it over the weekend so that

37:38they can turn around and have any

37:40questions they have. So, we don't take

37:42up the council's time. we we end up

37:44getting this done thoroughly and and

37:46making sure that it's done uh

37:48responsibly.

37:49Um first off,

37:52how many employees does the Pucket

37:53School Department have? That would be my

37:56first question.

38:01>> Yeah. Uh the second one

38:04>> I don't find that question you ask

38:07>> on Monday night. You can uh

38:10>> or everybody. Everybody look at school

38:13development.

38:16The second question is how many people

38:17are covered under this contract?

38:21Third question

38:24uh to date, what is the Pucket school

38:27department surplus

38:31number four?

38:34Am I going too fast? Don't don't trust

38:37me. I'll I'll slow down because I know

38:39if I was in that position, I'd be saying

38:40slow down.

38:45>> Yes.

38:46>> Okay. Um,

38:48number four, do you have a five-year

38:52projection?

38:53I understand that with other school

38:55departments, and I'm curious if we have

38:56one here. Um, and if so, what does it

38:59look like?

39:02Number five,

39:04uh, how do you intend to cover the $17

39:06million increases over the the next

39:09three years?

39:20And looks like the last question I have

39:22is no section 24.

39:26Um, I I understand contracts. I've

39:29negotiated them over the years and stuff

39:30and basic language stuff I I don't

39:33concern myself with a lot. Uh but

39:36section 24 uh kind of left me a little

39:39perplexed where I think you you were

39:41putting protections out for the teacher

39:43that if they were in a situation that

39:45they thought was unsafe, they could

39:46remove themsel from that situation and

39:48stuff. So just a little bit of

39:50clarification on and and you don't

39:52necessarily have to give me that. that

39:53can come from the school committee, uh

39:55the chair of the school committee or

39:56anybody that she chooses to to have us

39:58do. Um but those are the questions that

40:01I have and uh I I

40:06>> Yeah,

40:07>> my colleague has another question she'd

40:08like to have.

40:09>> I'd just like to know if there are any

40:11financial risks or obligations that

40:13extend beyond that contract term. So if

40:16we're looking at this year or

40:19>> what's what does next year what's

40:21projected?

40:25any uh financial risk or obligations

40:28that extend beyond the contract term

40:31>> that you're projecting

40:35>> those like I said I'm I'm going to uh

40:38I'm going to ask the the president to

40:40schedule a special meeting for 5:30 on

40:42on Monday so that we can uh we can get

40:45those answers. I am going to allow uh

40:47some of my colleagues to ask other

40:49questions so that if they have them so

40:51that you might have them answers for

40:53them too on on Monday because like I

40:56said uh it it deserves more time uh than

40:59just sitting here in a in in a committee

41:01meeting in 15 minutes and making these

41:03the magn decisions at this magnitude you

41:06know um but one of the comparisons that

41:10I did have when I've looked at some of

41:12the other contracts the percentage- wise

41:14they kind of even out uh the the police

41:18three and a half three and a quarter. Um

41:20and I'm especially appreciative of the

41:23six month savings and stuff. So I I like

41:26the way you guys work that out because

41:28I've done that in the in the past with

41:29other other um not municipalities but

41:32other entities. So I'll open up for any

41:35other questions of President Mercer.

41:38>> I have a couple other questions and just

41:40so we don't go over the quorum I may ask

41:42a couple for couple colleagues. uh just

41:45so they be you'll be prepared if you

41:46could to when you come back on Monday.

41:49Uh my own questions um starting with um

41:58page five class size

42:02everything else out every other page is

42:05redacted.

42:07This is just underlined the class size.

42:10Is this entirely new? Did we never have

42:12any section in the contract that was

42:14class size related?

42:15>> So what I was told was that they used to

42:18have class size and then that was taken

42:20out and now

42:25because we're reducing the size of our

42:28>> I get that. But you're reducing it

42:30because you just said since you started

42:33with the school district 3,000 fewer

42:36students, right? that the the idea of

42:39handling class I mean enrollment

42:43uh dwindling enrollment not to just keep

42:47the same number of teachers and reduce

42:49the the classroom size you know at some

42:51point we'll have nine kids in a

42:53classroom and pay

42:54>> takes us into the other problem that

42:56we're working on which is redistricting

42:59and

43:01deal

43:01>> but if you redistricted let's say let's

43:03say you close two schools I'm just

43:04because you guys have been b you know

43:06bouncing that around. Let's say you

43:08close one school or two two schools.

43:11Doesn't matter because you've got

43:13classroom size being reduced to

43:16>> 26

43:17>> 26. Is that what it is?

43:18>> So when we looked at the special ed

43:20conference, I will tell you I'm not very

43:22programmatic. I'm a math girl. I needed

43:25to understand it. uh by sat with Lee and

43:28she showed me the current class size for

43:30special ed and we know that we you know

43:33I don't want to be shortsighted but I

43:35know in that moment we looked and we

43:37could make those classes work without

43:39getting extra

43:42so that was kind of why we said okay and

43:45honestly enrollment's going down and she

43:47said it's trending down and again I'm

43:49not programmatic so I have to listen to

43:50the people who are it's trending down so

43:52that's why I felt safe with making that

43:55type of especially knowing that those

43:56are the kids that need.

43:58>> And again, I'm glad to hear that you're

44:02taking a fullon look at it. It's just

44:04from the outside looking at it and and

44:07it does seem like a lot of these things

44:08were thought out well, but when when you

44:13see that the school committee got it the

44:18same way, it had none of these

44:20questions, right? had none of these

44:23questions to say, geez, maybe we should

44:25think about this a little bit. No, no,

44:26no. They went out within it. I know

44:29there were other things going on in the

44:30executive session, so I can't imagine it

44:32was the entirety of the executive

44:34session, but even if it was, you're

44:35talking about three hours digesting

44:37something you just got put in your hand

44:39and miraculously it was a unanimous vote

44:42to send it to us. Make us do all of the

44:45question asking, right? So, it's there's

44:48just a a problematic approach to how we

44:52do this. And then it comes to us with,

44:54"Oh, you better hurry up. It's going to

44:56school year is going to start." Well,

44:58>> they can pump the brakes. It's

45:00retroactive anyway. We approve police

45:03and fire contracts sometimes that are

45:05take care of the entire previous fiscal

45:08year. So,

45:09>> you know, this is nothing new and it's

45:11not the teachers being singled out. us

45:13doing our due diligence that the the

45:15general assembly I mean the the the

45:17voters of this city asked us to do.

45:21>> Um

45:21>> President Mercer, if you could just turn

45:23around and ask the question and keep the

45:25commentary down that way there. We can

45:26handle that on Monday. The commentary

45:28can be done on Monday. The question is

45:30there today so we can get out and do

45:32other work.

45:34>> Um one last one for me. Um class

45:38coverage um things of that nature. Um, I

45:42know we don't have

45:45enough substitute teachers. So, if

45:49somebody is out, and I

45:52I understand that we're among the

45:53highest, if not the highest absentee

45:56rate in the state.

45:58So, you couple that with not having

46:01enough

46:03substitutes ready, right?

46:08How are those students

46:11dispersed? And I'm not asking to answer

46:13the question now. This is for this is

46:14for for Monday, right? How are they

46:16split up? Where are they put? Are they

46:19put in the same grade level? Especially

46:21in elementary school, it's a little bit

46:23different in secondary, right? But in

46:25elementary school, if if a fourth grade

46:26teacher is out, does half the class go

46:29to one fourth grade teacher, another to

46:31another fourth grade teacher? Do they go

46:32out to third grade? Do they go to second

46:35grade? if if that's the way and if so,

46:39how does the

46:41how does the instructional time work and

46:45what is built into that? And again, this

46:48goes back to the high absentee rate.

46:50What how much does that cost the

46:53district in class overage? My

46:56understanding there's a there's like a

46:58stipen per kid per student that you're

47:00taking into your classroom, right? So

47:03perhaps that's less expensive than a sub

47:07substitute at 100 100 whatever they're

47:09paid nowadays. Um but is that offset

47:14enough

47:16that offset enough uh

47:19instruction being not on grade level if

47:22you follow what I'm asking? Okay.

47:29>> Okay. So when um

47:36>> I got that how when when students are

47:37dispersed

47:40>> when students are discouraged when

47:41teachers are out

47:43>> how are we handling it when they're no

47:46substitutes

47:46>> correct

47:47>> okay so what's the actual question that

47:49you know

47:50>> are they are what teachers are they

47:52going to every school is going to run it

47:55different in every different situation

47:57depends on how many teachers you

48:01ministries have

48:04what if sometimes we'll pull

48:07from um central office to go help so

48:10everything will be handled differently

48:11so that's why I'm asking this question

48:14>> so on par I I know it might be different

48:17but on par how are

48:20>> students

48:23treated that's probably not the word how

48:26are they reassigned if there is not a

48:28substitute teacher in their classroom,

48:29especially in in in elementary.

48:34And since we're talking about the

48:37contract, I I want to know what the

48:38fiscal impact is.

48:40>> That's

48:40>> with high absenteeism

48:44and

48:45then having to pay for that either for a

48:48substitute

48:48>> coverage

48:49>> or for cover, right?

48:54And I do think we tried to offset some

48:56of the cost structure by agreeing to

48:59something they asked for. That actually

49:00sort of benefited us by giving them the

49:03half day sub coverings

49:06>> because we have trouble getting subs and

49:09we might be able to get more if they're

49:11just going

49:12>> and if that and if that dubtales with

49:15the question I'm asking you

49:16>> and I Yes, please. And and I know we're

49:20jump dumping things on you. No, no, no,

49:22no.

49:23>> And we appreciate you guys coming back

49:25being here. Right. So,

49:26>> I actually work in the building before.

49:28That's why I

49:29>> Okay.

49:30>> I'm not. So, so yeah, I used to work in

49:32the building. So, that's why.

49:34>> So, so really you want to know what our

49:36fiscal impacts

49:38is basing?

49:39>> Yes. Okay.

49:41>> And what the absentee rate is

49:43>> relative to the rest of the state. Mhm.

49:46>> On that same line,

49:49could you tell us how many

49:52>> teachers

49:54I am? As a matter of fact, [laughter]

49:57>> how many

49:58>> You're a sub

49:58>> teachers are not I don't know if I'm

50:00going to get the the the terminology

50:02correct, but not right to read

50:04certified. Is that the is that the

50:07>> Yes.

50:09>> 43.

50:11>> 43.

50:12>> Okay. So there's different levels of

50:17um you might want to work with

50:21that. Some just need a one hour class,

50:25some need a twohour class, some needed

50:27three days.

50:30>> They could have taken all of those

50:32classes rides dime a long time ago,

50:35right?

50:37Daniel Greens

50:41that they eliminate without

50:50a degrees.

50:55My understanding is

50:56>> they are now going to have to do

50:59whatever level one hour, two hours,

51:01three days um during the school that

51:05right

51:06>> that's I believe it's paid to offer it

51:08outside of school. Well, and we will be

51:09paying for

51:11>> we'll be paying for that. But had it

51:13been done before when Ride was offering

51:15it, the city would not be paying for it.

51:17number one and the city would not be

51:19paying coverages while the the teacher

51:23who's being paid to teach is taking the

51:26classes he or she should have taken

51:28already.

51:29>> Is that

51:29>> I'm not sure if they we know we'll have

51:32to look into that because I wonder if we

51:33know how many people are scheduled

51:34during the class day.

51:36>> I'd like to know that because that

51:37dubtales with the with the overage in

51:40the in you know how you're going to

51:42manage this. Right. So the last time we

51:45had

51:47the the contract before us, what we say

51:49to the school department is what we say

51:51to the mayor with all the other

51:53contracts. Can you manage to this with

51:57your current budget? Right? It's not,

52:00hey, you you signed off on a 3%

52:02increase, so next year you're going to

52:04give give us 3% more. Right? So we're

52:06all clear that's not how it works,

52:07right? Okay. Uh so those are my

52:10questions. I have a question uh from uh

52:14council rou. You want just ask or you

52:15want you want to allow him to ask it or

52:20so the

52:22uh where was that

52:26fiscal impact page that was

52:29mentioned?

52:31Yes. You mentioned the about 3 million

52:35or so in the in the medical reserve that

52:38could be used to offset that initial

52:416.4.

52:43>> We'll have to approve that. I'll have to

52:44present it to them. Just

52:46>> Yep. Okay.

52:47>> I don't think they'll be against it

52:48because they talked about the medical

52:50reserve reporting only for that purpose

52:52in order to pay medical bills and we

52:54have a surplus.

52:56>> Okay. You have a surplus with foreign

52:57change 4.1. And you can use

53:00>> 75%. So let's call it 3 million, right?

53:03>> Okay. Year two, we've got 5.4 listed

53:05here. Is that compounded? Is is that is

53:08there not a three $3 million structural

53:11deficit in that second year?

53:13>> You're talking about the salaries.

53:14>> No, I'm talking about the threeear

53:15financial Oh, I'm sorry.

53:19>> Yeah. Right. So year two is 5.4.

53:24So when I look at these other items that

53:27are within the contracts,

53:30these are budgeting pieces,

53:34making sure we're being strategic about

53:37how we're putting people in certain

53:39places, making sure that we're staying

53:41true to the vacancy.

53:44There's a lot of work that needs to be

53:45done to make sure that we're in

53:47alignment with 143.

53:49Uh so that can not answer your question,

53:52but I'll tell you I get concerned here

53:55because that's uncontrollable cost where

53:58this to me is controllable cost. do what

54:00we're supposed to uh you know some of

54:02it's

54:04we get a ton of um specialized kids in

54:07some dirty school we're definitely going

54:09to need that next I can budget for that

54:12>> and remove them somewhere else but yes

54:14this so that's why I went

54:16>> my my question though it's ask council

54:18hers's question is

54:21>> if we're using 3 million to offset that

54:256.4 Cool. Right. That that premise is

54:27correct. Yes.

54:29>> Does that not suggest that there is a

54:31financial structural deficit in that 5.4

54:34doesn't next year because we don't have

54:37so because we have a a surplus more than

54:40we need in the medical reserve. They

54:42wouldn't do that unless we can unless we

54:44said we were going to do that year.

54:46That's where my suggestion is. I

54:49wouldn't be doing that year over year.

54:50>> But you wouldn't be able. next year if

54:52the next year the best the most be able

54:54to use is 750,000

54:55>> right so we wouldn't be doing that in

54:57the next year

54:58>> so the answer and I don't expect you

55:01just can you tell us when you come back

55:04on Monday whether or not that second

55:06year of 5.4 four

55:10is missing the 3 million that we're

55:13assured isn't a problem.

55:15>> You follow me?

55:16>> Does that make sense?

55:18>> Go to numbers, put the winner.

55:21>> Um and I have one last question

55:25along the lines on the on the um the

55:27longevity.

55:29Um, do we know how many employees will

55:31fit the 30 and the 35 year longevity

55:35bands during the course of the three

55:37years and at what stages?

55:41Um,

55:45you know, because it's it suggests that

55:47that's a growing co cohort that will

55:50continue to grow after 2029. It's a

55:52three-year contract. So, what what is

55:55that setting us up for in 2029? Do we

55:58have a zillion 35, 36, 37 year veterans

56:03who won't be here after 2030? Are there

56:07more right under that cusp who are

56:09coming up in the next three years and

56:11going to be there for, you know, that

56:12that much longer thereafter? Uh, again,

56:15I know we're throwing a lot at you, but

56:18we um, you know,

56:20>> I think they're good questions.

56:23>> Okay,

56:24>> I'm done with my question. Okay,

56:26director. Um, and the reason and I and I

56:29wanted to put this out. The reason I

56:31wanted to put it out in this structure

56:33is to give you opportunity and time to

56:34turn around and get the answers. Uh,

56:37that, but also to recognize that, and I

56:39just flipped through my calendar

56:42on a phone that's off. um uh on the

56:4528th. We're doing this on the 28th in

56:48the anticipation that when this comes to

56:51us on the 7th um and it comes before the

56:54full council, they'll have an

56:56opportunity on the 28th to get their

56:58questions in too. And then by the 7th,

57:01you'll have those. So, it'll be a lot

57:02clearer path on what we're going to be

57:04dealing with on the 7th. Um and you'll

57:07have your opportunity uh as will the

57:09chair to turn around and speak to the

57:11full committee, I guess, next time

57:13around. Uh, so I don't mean to put any

57:15anybody off because again this the

57:17structure is that these are committee

57:18meetings. After the committee meetings,

57:20we go out and do other business and I

57:22don't want to keep you here all night

57:23nor do I want to be here all night. So

57:25>> have questions and then I can just give

57:27you an easy answer and you know think

57:29through it and make sure I fully answer

57:31the question instead of just

57:32>> No answer is ever easy. But but uh with

57:36that does anybody else have any other

57:38questions?

57:39And I want to give uh the chair of the

57:42school committee

57:445 minutes to anything that she'd like to

57:47add uh before we adjourn and go into our

57:51other sessions.

57:53>> I'd like to defer to Mr.

57:58>> the chairman of the finance.

58:00>> We'd be happy to entertain a a brief

58:03comment by him.

58:04>> Thank you very much for your question.

58:05Uh very thorough. Uh thank you for

58:08bringing up process because u although

58:10we can't talk about executive session it

58:12was mentioned um process

58:18back

58:21for 100 years

58:24the company to negotiate

58:27I think the company

58:31uh there was very good dialogue

58:35hey uh we're slightly heard in 15

58:39minutes. It was an actual two and a half

58:42hour executive session and over an hour

58:44was discussion of the contract to the

58:46point where several times it was brought

58:48up. You have another meeting. It was

58:51asked it was asked of the committee

58:53because I completely agree with this

58:55format process-wise.

58:57They didn't know what they didn't know

58:59and hear and telling them and we just

59:01went around and around and that's how we

59:03ended up.

59:03>> I went to Bucket schools. They would

59:05they taught us how to do it this way. So

59:07>> So this I I actually appreciate this. Um

59:10I appreciate questions.

59:12>> I really appreciate that for us having

59:16the poise in the gate alone. I really

59:24ago um it wasn't as I want to thank

59:28them.

59:28>> And can I ask for the record what's the

59:30controller's name? I don't know if we

59:31have

59:32>> Carrie Edward. Harry Edward. Nice to

59:35meet you, Mr. Edwards.

59:38>> Hi, Jamie. I thought you all knew

59:40>> Carrie Edward.

59:44>> Again, it's all a process that we want

59:46to try and get all the best answers we

59:48can when we face our budgets and here

59:52and believe me, uh, we have more

59:54arguments and discussions with each

59:56other on how we resolve these issues.

59:59And and one of the basic things is is

1:00:01how is it going to how is it going to

1:00:02get paid for? And that's the important

1:00:04aspect for us because um I'm not going

1:00:08to blame anybody, but when the the mayor

1:00:09turns around and goes out and raises

1:00:11taxes above the 4% cap and then says he

1:00:14has no control over that and we have to

1:00:16give permission for it, it makes it

1:00:18difficult for us to turn around and

1:00:20rationalize how we're going to do that

1:00:21again. And and and we've already said

1:00:23we're not going to do it again. So when

1:00:25other people present us with with

1:00:27problems, we want to make sure there are

1:00:28solutions in place before um you and

1:00:31communicate those solutions are out

1:00:33there versus us having to deal with it,

1:00:35you know. So

1:00:37um any other questions from the

1:00:39committee? With none, thank you very

1:00:42much for appearing. We're

1:00:43>> Thank you.

1:00:45How much time do you want?

1:15:39Hey, good evening everyone and welcome

1:15:41to the Freight Street Council chamber to

1:15:43tonight's uh city council meeting and

1:15:44board of licenses commissioners meeting.

1:15:46Uh we're running a little bit late

1:15:48because of the longer um committee

1:15:50meeting, but the first thing on our

1:15:52agenda is um

1:15:55we're going to do the freight street

1:15:57update after we do the two appointments

1:15:59is um

1:16:00>> nobody here.

1:16:02>> Neither is here. Okay, perfect. Then I

1:16:03didn't want to I didn't want to forward

1:16:05them up. Okay, that on to an update on

1:16:08this building on Freight Street

1:16:09conversion. Um sounds like DPW is going

1:16:12to be taking the lead.

1:16:19How are you?

1:16:19>> Good. Good evening. Uh I'll try to make

1:16:21it uh short. I know times. Uh we we did

1:16:25do a little um package so feel free to

1:16:29review it if you have any questions. Um

1:16:32I can set up a meeting with you um

1:16:34after.

1:16:37>> Um [clears throat]

1:16:40phase one was the new council chambers.

1:16:44uh court in office space. Uh I got good

1:16:49news. We we are opening that section. Um

1:16:54our first meeting will be next Wednesday

1:16:56uh in two weeks, Wednesday, October 7th

1:16:59for the first council meeting. Um we're

1:17:02we're just wrapping up some training and

1:17:04stuff.

1:17:05Um, if you go through the other areas,

1:17:09uh, there's still some,

1:17:12uh, prep that we have to do for the

1:17:14police, uh, civilians that'll be moving

1:17:17in there. Um, we we were delayed with

1:17:21phase one. There was, uh, a few reasons

1:17:24because of that. I I'll try to keep them

1:17:27short. I I know you don't want to know

1:17:30what the excuses are, but um one of them

1:17:33is the bidding process. We had some

1:17:37delays on um manufacturers delivery

1:17:40times. Um the winter caused some of the

1:17:43delays from the bad weather. Um and then

1:17:47also

1:17:49uh how we procured the project. Uh there

1:17:53was some stuff that we learned that we

1:17:55should have pre-ordered knowing that

1:17:57there was going to be a delay in in lead

1:17:59time. So we we took us a little longer

1:18:03to get to phase two, but we we have

1:18:06those all captured in the contract.

1:18:08We're out to bid now in phase two. Um we

1:18:14had a pre-bid bid a pre- bid meeting on

1:18:18uh the other day uh Tuesday and we did

1:18:22have a a big turnout for that. So we

1:18:24anticipate some good uh competitive uh

1:18:27bids for this uh phase two.

1:18:28>> Okay, that's the main

1:18:30>> um we are anticipating

1:18:33uh the bids will be due October 22nd. Uh

1:18:36and then we'll we'll do the purchasing

1:18:39board approval, sign the contract, and

1:18:42they'll start um

1:18:45with phase two.

1:18:47[clears throat] Um we we anticipate

1:18:50um phase two being complete in December

1:18:55of 2027

1:18:57and then right after that, we would be

1:18:59moving in um offices that are listed uh

1:19:03to the city government. Uh we are also

1:19:06working on other things uh with the

1:19:10spray street and that's kind of outlined

1:19:13in your package. Uh I don't want to take

1:19:16everyone's time up, but if you have any

1:19:19questions now, uh

1:19:22[clears throat] yes,

1:19:26I know calling. Uh I'm just surprised

1:19:29with this. Uh my main concern is that uh

1:19:33we have an outflowing uh administration

1:19:36and a new one coming in and there's only

1:19:38less than 20 month left of the current

1:19:39administration. It seems like decisions

1:19:41like these are being made

1:19:45a little too early and the new

1:19:47administration may have different vision

1:19:49to what they would like to see the city

1:19:51move forward and I don't see why rush.

1:19:54>> Well well the rush with phase two is we

1:19:57we got to u the same issue. We got to

1:20:00get the uh city services out of uh city

1:20:03hall to relocate them. Absolutely. the

1:20:06other phases that would be the new

1:20:08administration to be able to review

1:20:10those and and make the decisions on

1:20:13longer terms. We're just outlining what

1:20:16what we've been working on and to this

1:20:18point and going forward. Yes, we we we

1:20:22plan on working with the new

1:20:23administration. They might have a

1:20:25different vision on other phases of this

1:20:28project. Um and we'll have to adjust

1:20:31based on those discussions. Yeah.

1:20:35Just council if I can. I also do want to

1:20:37note too for full transparency this

1:20:39project along with other projects will

1:20:41be a part of the transition process. So

1:20:43this will be briefed within your

1:20:45administration. Everything that has been

1:20:47worked on including all phases will be

1:20:48handed off to them.

1:20:50>> Well consider the social reference of

1:20:53phase 1 a new permanent city council.

1:20:55That sounds pretty

1:20:58definitive suggesting that this is

1:21:01what's going to happen. I mean a lot of

1:21:02people are concerned the city hall like

1:21:04to see it fixed if it's incrementally it

1:21:07sounds like decisions are being made by

1:21:09an outgoing

1:21:10>> administration that seems inappropriate

1:21:13to me really.

1:21:15Yeah, ju just you know I mean may maybe

1:21:18the the word and I I understand what

1:21:20you're saying phase one when we say

1:21:22permanent meaning in in two we make a

1:21:26decision on city hall in the future um

1:21:30the goal was to uh move all city

1:21:34government to this uh facility temporary

1:21:37and that's what we were building out um

1:21:40in phase one for office space and

1:21:42council chambers and stuff and that's

1:21:44what that's That's what's the list

1:21:46there. And then phase two was uh the

1:21:50city services

1:21:52by per right we always see right now is

1:21:56the temporary changes always referred to

1:21:58that right

1:21:59>> with the expectation that

1:22:00>> whether it's permanent long-term

1:22:02whatever a more permanent structure

1:22:05means that

1:22:07that's going to open with our next

1:22:09meeting.

1:22:09>> Correct.

1:22:11doesn't mean permanent for the

1:22:12>> No, I I I've been calling like here is

1:22:16temporary

1:22:201A and then when we move over there it's

1:22:23going to be temporary

1:22:25B, right? So, it doesn't mean that it's

1:22:28it's uh permanent. We still have to

1:22:30decide what we're doing with the city

1:22:33hall, but whatever decision that is made

1:22:35with city hall, it's going to take time.

1:22:38and then um you know with with the

1:22:41bidding and design and and funding

1:22:43sources. So once they decide that that

1:22:46that could be a couple years uh to be

1:22:49able to uh restore uh the conditions at

1:22:52city hall. So th this is we have a safe

1:22:56ADA accessible building here and that

1:22:59was the goal that when we bought this uh

1:23:01you know that you guys voted that

1:23:03originally we were only going to lease

1:23:05this and and it was decided that to buy

1:23:07it that we have this building that at

1:23:10some point we could always uh sell it

1:23:13down the road. Right.

1:23:14>> Yeah. Okay. So maybe the language should

1:23:16be changed on the phase one a new

1:23:19permanent temporary or something so

1:23:21people get a sense of this

1:23:25>> like an update. Sure.

1:23:27>> Correct.

1:23:28>> Right. There's nothing

1:23:29>> past. Right. And the mayor and the mayor

1:23:33elect have had a couple conversations at

1:23:35the meeting today. Yeah. Right. And uh

1:23:40I presume he didn't raise any concerns

1:23:42about the ongoing project area.

1:23:45>> Um not to my knowledge, but again this

1:23:46conversation will continue to be

1:23:48ongoing.

1:23:49>> And I had one other question.

1:24:04That's the project funding. No, I voted

1:24:07against the purchase of this building

1:24:09that I thought it was

1:24:12it wouldn't work. What was paid? I think

1:24:15it was almost $16 million is what was

1:24:1814.

1:24:18>> Uh I think it was 14,800.

1:24:22Yeah. Yeah.

1:24:23>> Okay. Um and part of the sale that the

1:24:28administration put forth was that this

1:24:30is a building that was already all set.

1:24:32All you have to do is essentially move

1:24:34in. And then we're talking about an

1:24:35additional 8 million that's been spent

1:24:37was one that's going to be spent on

1:24:40something that was supposed to be all

1:24:41set which was the selling point when

1:24:43choices would be in which building to

1:24:44purchase.

1:24:46I don't understand it. So where where

1:24:48did 8 million go to do what this

1:24:50building was supposed to be moveing

1:24:51ready which is what why the council

1:24:54council did vote for on it. That was one

1:24:56of the selling point was that this was

1:24:58all set separated. It's got everything

1:25:00just move in essentially. Are you

1:25:02talking that eight million is already

1:25:03been spent and you're looking at

1:25:04additional millions of dollars being

1:25:06spent on top of the 15 something million

1:25:09dollar stand purchase the this parts

1:25:12that

1:25:14I'm just not understanding how this is

1:25:16working out

1:25:20>> I had a point of view that I wanted to

1:25:22put out u we've been talking about this

1:25:24for over two years and again this was

1:25:26the aspect when it was brought to the

1:25:28council to turn around and provide the

1:25:30people that work in city hall with a

1:25:31safe place to work in. Um, if any of us

1:25:34that have been in city hall see the

1:25:36blowers all throughout the place, uh,

1:25:39they seen the third floor with

1:25:41asbestous, everything else, I'm more

1:25:44interested in turn around and protecting

1:25:45the people that work for the city. And

1:25:47that's the reason we made the decision

1:25:49to turn around and do this versus

1:25:51plugging hundred million dollars into a

1:25:53place that is just crumbling and that we

1:25:55would have to continue to do. So that is

1:25:57my point of view. Thanks, Council. uh

1:26:01real quick on the first meeting uh in

1:26:03October um will have um people kind of

1:26:07um directing folks in the general public

1:26:10to where this is where the room is

1:26:11because everybody kind of get used to

1:26:13here. So even myself I got to figure out

1:26:15how I'm going to get there from the

1:26:16outside. So could we the administration

1:26:18or your crew um Chris director Crowley

1:26:22have uh some people to you know uh

1:26:24direct people to go to where the new

1:26:25city hall chambers is. So, it's open to

1:26:28it will be open to everybody, but you

1:26:30can't it's a brand new place. So,

1:26:32>> okay. Well, we'll have we find the signs

1:26:34there with A-frames and then we'll have

1:26:35staff great

1:26:36>> also. Just for that first meeting so

1:26:39people get used to where it is, right?

1:26:41>> To that we have been working with our

1:26:43communications team. We'll be putting

1:26:44out a whole announcement doing a video

1:26:46trying to guide residents as easy as

1:26:48possible along with the city council how

1:26:49to access a place where the parking is,

1:26:51easiest way to get here etc.

1:26:53>> Thank you. Thank you. Anything else

1:26:56that's you would like to add?

1:26:58>> No, I appreciate you coming down. Thank

1:27:00you.

1:27:01>> Just one last thing. It would be helpful

1:27:03to the council at least for me if we

1:27:05could get a breakdown of precisely where

1:27:08$8 million went to do whatever upgrades

1:27:10that were done. So we have and then say

1:27:12what's going on and what additional uh

1:27:14money you're intending on spending to

1:27:16do. We'd [clears throat] like to know

1:27:18what those are and how much it's costing

1:27:20because I think this is a lot of money

1:27:22being spent.

1:27:23>> Sure. So happy to provide that breakdown

1:27:24on exactly where the funding is coming

1:27:26from um because it's important to the

1:27:28distinction between the two. So the

1:27:30purchase of the building was ARPA funds

1:27:31and anything in addition to that has

1:27:33been through the building bond. So just

1:27:35want to break that down and I'm happy to

1:27:36provide that for you.

1:27:37>> Yeah. No, I'd like to know precisely

1:27:39exactly. We're $8 million.

1:27:42>> Uh I apologize. I didn't mean to cut you

1:27:44off. There is uh we did receive a couple

1:27:47grants too and we're we're chasing

1:27:49grants to our to fund this uh

1:27:52possibility

1:27:53>> on what additional renovations you're

1:27:56looking to do or

1:27:56>> Oh, the uh like one of is uh the E EV uh

1:28:01stations. We we we received a grant for

1:28:04that. um the storm water uh control in

1:28:07the parking lot. Um we got a grant to

1:28:10receive that as you see it's all asphalt

1:28:12there. Um yeah, I mean so we're looking

1:28:16to improve the groundwater uh runoff

1:28:18with the storm waters and stuff in in

1:28:20the parking lot.

1:28:22>> Yeah, that's all give us. I would still

1:28:24like to get a detailed breakdown.

1:28:26>> Oh

1:28:27yeah.

1:28:28>> Well, I just outlining where how much of

1:28:31the 8 million was grants? how much was

1:28:34the building there and whatever

1:28:36estimates you have going forward for

1:28:38whatever additional things they are way

1:28:40to go. I mean I think people have like

1:28:41the knowledge how

1:28:43>> yeah we could provide that and then just

1:28:44for context too at the beginning of the

1:28:46packet we did include a project

1:28:47background. So just as a refresher of

1:28:49the exact factor of what drove decision

1:28:52making and how we got here today. So

1:28:53that's there and happy to provide that

1:28:55breakdown and just to also show the

1:28:57complexity of purchasing a building and

1:28:59what goes around the logistics of that.

1:29:01There's a lot of moving pieces, but

1:29:02we're happy to provide that.

1:29:05>> Thank you. Appreciate it.

1:29:07>> Thank you both.

1:29:08>> Thanks.

1:29:11>> Uh we are on to public conclus

1:29:17>> and anybody online?

1:29:19>> I do have four pieces of public input

1:29:23that were emailed to us and we have

1:29:26received them already. One from Denina

1:29:30Tolentino on Warren Avenue regarding

1:29:33traffic.

1:29:34Uh Stephanie

1:29:36from Ferris Street regarding block

1:29:39cameras. By frame

1:29:43this says professor res regarding the

1:29:46harmony dog kennel and Sandra Nevs who's

1:29:50already talking

1:29:52kennel and we have all those and they've

1:29:55been distributed to each member.

1:29:58Um, with that I will call to order the

1:30:02second portal license commissioner

1:30:03prefer to call the role.

1:30:12>> President Mercer

1:30:13>> here.

1:30:14>> Council Rio

1:30:15>> here.

1:30:15>> Council Kodair

1:30:16>> here.

1:30:17>> Council Gregor

1:30:18>> here.

1:30:18>> Council Moran

1:30:19>> here.

1:30:20>> Council Moreno

1:30:20>> here.

1:30:21>> Council Rubio

1:30:22>> here.

1:30:22>> Council SC

1:30:25>> here.

1:30:25>> Eight and a 10.

1:30:26>> Mr. President Item number one is the

1:30:28previous minutes from September 10th,

1:30:302026. I would like to make a motion to

1:30:32postpone till the next uh next meeting

1:30:35of the uh board of licensed

1:30:37commissioners back

1:30:41postpone approval of the minutes from

1:30:43the board September 10th uh meeting. Uh

1:30:48the reason for that is that it was a

1:30:49very lengthy meeting. Um, and the

1:30:51clerk's office had fashion. We watch new

1:30:55lines. So, they just make sure they got

1:30:57everything. They couldn't get it to work

1:30:59today. We could have approved them for

1:31:01tonight, but just to give everybody the

1:31:03opportunity to digest those minutes and

1:31:04make sure they're accurate, not vote for

1:31:07them. Uh, and then we read it out. So,

1:31:10we won't be dealing with those minutes

1:31:12until they're first.

1:31:15Make sense? Oklahoma. Thank you.

1:31:17>> Yeah, I was going to say I was just

1:31:18going to bring that up because I did

1:31:19look up and I didn't see the minute. So,

1:31:21but thank you.

1:31:23>> It it was Yman's work from what I can

1:31:25tell to get them get done, but we did

1:31:27just get him this afternoon. Uh you

1:31:29know, no sense in

1:31:38October.

1:31:39>> I motion.

1:31:40>> Is that your first extension? I don't

1:31:42remember you ever getting an extension.

1:31:44>> I don't think so. Wow. Okay. Michelle

1:31:47was on vacation.

1:31:48>> No, I was

1:31:50She was there. I was there.

1:31:54>> Okay. Item number two, consent agenda

1:31:56and item number three, petitions for

1:31:57licenses starting with pigeon laws

1:32:00renewal. Uh, and ending with the Blue J

1:32:03Cafe on 250 Main Street. Motion is to

1:32:06approve both item number one and two.

1:32:08Moved by Cosmo, second by Cosmo Moreno.

1:32:10That approve begin with item two. And

1:32:12item three, the consent agenda petition

1:32:14for license starting of the Pigeon Walk

1:32:16renewal on Harrison Street and the Blue

1:32:18Gate Cafe Richwood House at 250 Main.

1:32:22Any

1:32:23>> concerns? All in favor? Oppos? Motion

1:32:26carries. Item number four has advertised

1:32:28public hearing and petition for license

1:32:31carnival petition of Rockwell Amusement

1:32:33and Promotions Incorporated to have a

1:32:35fall carnival at 100 Main Street on

1:32:37Thursday, October 8th, 2026 from 6:00

1:32:40p.m. until 10 p.m. Friday, October 9th,

1:32:442026 from 6 p.m. until 10 p.m. Saturday,

1:32:48October 10, 2026 from 2:00 p.m. until

1:32:511000 p.m. Sunday, October 11th, 2026

1:32:56from 2:00 p.m. until 10:00 p.m. and

1:32:58Monday, October 12th, 2026 from 2:00

1:33:01p.m. until 8:00 p.m. That license number

1:33:04is EVT-26-83

1:33:08and the charity is the Pucket Soup

1:33:10Kitchen located at 150 Walcott Street.

1:33:14Motion is to convene this public

1:33:16hearing. Move by council by councelor

1:33:20that we convene a public hearing

1:33:22regarding a petition for license for

1:33:25carnival licensewell amusement and

1:33:28promotion thank you of fall carnival at

1:33:30100 main street on Thursday October 8th

1:33:32from 6 p.m. until 10 p.m. Friday October

1:33:349th from 6 p.m. until 10 p.m. Saturday

1:33:36October 10th from 2 p.m. until 10 p.m.

1:33:39Sunday October 11th from 2 p.m. until 10

1:33:42p.m.

1:33:43Monday, October 12th, 2 p.m.

1:33:476-83 and the charity uh that is required

1:33:51is uh second suitation located at 150 W

1:33:55of public hearing. Open I assume sir

1:33:58you're with Rockwell. Yes,

1:33:59>> I am. My name is Harold Farah the owner

1:34:01of Rockwell.

1:34:02>> You I thought Oh, if you just please

1:34:05state your name to clerk please.

1:34:07>> Harold Farah

1:34:10>> F.

1:34:14Address please. and Red Oak Drive.

1:34:17>> Johnston

1:34:18>> Red Oak

1:34:19>> Red Oak. Two words.

1:34:22Johnston, Rhode Island.

1:34:25>> That's fine.

1:34:27>> Harold Farah, 10 Red Oak Drive,

1:34:29Johnston, Rhode Island.

1:34:30>> Mr. Farah, welcome. How are you?

1:34:32>> Fine. How are you?

1:34:33>> Good, Zach. You've been here a couple

1:34:34times before, right?

1:34:35>> I have.

1:34:36>> Okay. Uh, this last year was the first

1:34:39year at the tech site at uh 100 Main

1:34:42Street. Uh, and that is in council code

1:34:44district. So, I'm going to turn it over

1:34:46to her for the moment and then we'll go

1:34:49from there.

1:34:49>> Thank you, Mr. President. How are you,

1:34:51Mr. President?

1:34:51>> Good. How are you?

1:34:52>> Good, thank you. Um, uh, we spoke

1:34:56earlier and um, you said you're bringing

1:34:58the same uh, the same games, the same

1:35:01uh, rides and

1:35:02>> the same the same the same what we had

1:35:04the election. we spoke about uh leaving

1:35:07the place clean after after

1:35:10um the events is um

1:35:13>> we we clean the parking lot. We bring in

1:35:15portable dumpsters. We bring in u

1:35:18portable toilets.

1:35:20Um

1:35:22we clean the lot before we get on it and

1:35:24we clean it when we leave.

1:35:27>> Yeah. And last year you had a very uh

1:35:30great turnout. I didn't have any

1:35:32complaints about your uh part and

1:35:36I think everybody just can't wait to see

1:35:39it again and have some fun.

1:35:41>> I have no more questions, Mr. President,

1:35:43and I I I am ready to make a motion.

1:35:46>> Well, we're still on the public hearing,

1:35:48but I haven't closed the public hearing

1:35:49again yet. So, um,

1:35:52just to reiterate, last year I know

1:35:54there was a question about, uh,

1:35:57state inspections of rides. That happens

1:36:00everywhere you set up, right?

1:36:01>> Every time we move, every week we move

1:36:03to a different location. We have the

1:36:06local inspectors come, which is the

1:36:09electrical inspector. Yeah.

1:36:10>> And we have the state ride inspector

1:36:12come.

1:36:13>> Okay. I just want to confirm that. I I

1:36:15know that that is the case. Um council

1:36:18>> is there any additional safety measures

1:36:20that go into that process?

1:36:22>> We we hire we hire we we hired

1:36:25protective police for all during our our

1:36:29whole time that we're there working to

1:36:32the public.

1:36:33>> So for particularly for the ride are

1:36:36there what's the process like for

1:36:38>> Oh we have daily inspections. We we

1:36:40erect them. A lot of my employees, I

1:36:43send them to school to to learn the

1:36:46safety the same safety

1:36:48projects that you you go through the uh

1:36:51if the the state ride inspector go to

1:36:54the same school.

1:36:55>> Thank you.

1:36:57>> Any else have any questions? Mr. Farah,

1:37:00just one second, sir. Tracy, stay right

1:37:03there. Um I presume that this weekend is

1:37:07not an RFC weekend.

1:37:09We haven't heard back just yet. We did

1:37:11inquire this morning as far as right now

1:37:13go. They're proceeding, but if any

1:37:15changes, they will come out.

1:37:16>> So, if our had a game, they just would

1:37:20not be able to utilize the Apex parking

1:37:22lot as one of their satellite block.

1:37:24Yes. Correct.

1:37:25>> Okay. Thank you. Um you could have a

1:37:28seat for a moment, sir, if you let have

1:37:30a seat if you like.

1:37:31>> Um there anybody else here? I know Mrs.

1:37:34pray you're here because representing

1:37:36the the um soup kitchen

1:37:38>> the soup kitchen

1:37:39>> and that this is the the designated

1:37:41charity for this event.

1:37:43>> Yes.

1:37:44>> Anything you'd like to add or

1:37:47>> No, we're looking forward to it.

1:37:50>> Glad to hear it. Um is there anybody

1:37:52else here tonight who would like to

1:37:54speak on this matter at this public

1:37:56hearing?

1:37:57>> Is there anybody online?

1:37:58>> Nobody online.

1:37:59>> Nobody online. In that case, I will

1:38:02declare a public hearing closed and

1:38:06entertain a motion.

1:38:09Uh, thank you, Mr. President. I would

1:38:10like to make a motion to approve the

1:38:12petition on Rockwell Amusement and

1:38:14Promotions, Inc. to have a fall carnival

1:38:17at 100 Main Street. Do I have to say the

1:38:20dates or No,

1:38:21>> it's been moved by council. Second move

1:38:23by council second by council man that

1:38:24approval be given to item four the

1:38:26carnival petition for Rockwell on the

1:38:28dates articulated with the parity being

1:38:30effect located at 150 there's any

1:38:33discussion on a motion to approve all in

1:38:36favor motion carries just one second um

1:38:41just on that issue I'd like to point

1:38:45that you heard us talking about the the

1:38:47fact that there is a designated charity

1:38:49the the the ordinance regarding surfaces

1:38:52in Carnival Brooks that it be

1:38:56undertaken by a charity

1:39:00a non a nonprofit charity because I

1:39:02think and this you've done it the last

1:39:04couple years a little bit cart before

1:39:06the horse right this was it's written

1:39:08the way the order was written it's the

1:39:12soup kitchen the lion's club the rotary

1:39:14club that

1:39:18together

1:39:23company

1:39:25whatever maybe this is a little bit car

1:39:28the horse we're not going to stand in

1:39:30the way on this again this year but I

1:39:32would just ask that uh this ordinance be

1:39:36referred to

1:39:38committee to just see if it could be

1:39:42better word because it was put in place

1:39:45in 1999 9 landed in 1994.

1:39:49The intent clearly was

1:39:53forced to vote Carter and um I think

1:39:56that's a little bit mixed up. So let's

1:39:57see if we can flesh that out if you

1:39:59would chair.

1:39:59>> Sure. Thank you.

1:40:02>> Okay. Oh, I let me fire the following

1:40:05public hearing and petition for license

1:40:06was postponed at the meetings held

1:40:08August 5th, 2026 and September 10, 2026

1:40:12and is again taken up. Auto repair shop

1:40:14new Korea Auto Repair Professional Auto

1:40:18Repair LLC 102 Eston Avenue license

1:40:22number AUT-26-

1:40:25previously Woodlon Village. My motion is

1:40:28to reconvene this public hearing. Moved

1:40:30by councelor, second by councelor Greg

1:40:32that the following public hearing and

1:40:34commission for license that was

1:40:35postponed at the meeting held on August

1:40:375th on September 10th is again taken up

1:40:40the auto repair shop news request auto

1:40:43repair professional auto repair LLC 102

1:40:46Avenue license number 83-26-8

1:40:50the Woodlon Village um

1:40:55it continues the public hearing right so

1:40:58that's still open okay and that case.

1:41:00Sir, I assume you're the applicant. Yes.

1:41:02>> Yes.

1:41:03>> If you could give your name and home

1:41:05address to the court, please.

1:41:07>> Uh, Danielson made Korea. Home address

1:41:11is 62 L Street, Province, Rhode Island.

1:41:15>> Danielson, Korea, 62 L Street,

1:41:18Providence, Rhode Island. Yes, sir.

1:41:20>> Thank Mr. Brad. Um, we continue this a

1:41:23couple different times. We're glad

1:41:24you're here tonight. Uh this licenses is

1:41:28for a business in Woodlon which is counc

1:41:32district. So I'm going to turn it over

1:41:33to him to uh uh proceed.

1:41:39>> Uh good afternoon Mr. Mundo. Right.

1:41:41>> Yes. Um

1:41:44I couldn't find what's the address of

1:41:46the place. Uh is it

1:41:49>> a 64 long?

1:41:51>> It says 102 Estate.

1:41:55the 64 wood along here.

1:41:57>> Well, that was part of my issue as well

1:41:59because I like to see the places and I

1:42:00didn't find that one.

1:42:05>> I know what is I know

1:42:09what street.

1:42:11>> It's across street.

1:42:12>> It's across street from Aston.

1:42:15>> Yep.

1:42:15>> Rick, can you help here? Do we know what

1:42:18the address is?

1:42:19>> Well, we have it as 102. A lot of times

1:42:21that happens like we'll have it as 102

1:42:24Eston and they other people would have

1:42:26it you know it doesn't always match the

1:42:29the address that they use with the

1:42:30average but you can look at it real

1:42:33quick

1:42:34>> and it was previously an auto yes

1:42:37>> repair shop correct

1:42:38>> and I think it was at 102 that

1:42:42>> but still talk about the same parcel

1:42:43right the same site

1:42:44>> yes

1:42:47>> and this would fall under the the

1:42:50existing number of license

1:42:55>> because it's a formally used,

1:42:56>> right?

1:42:57>> And

1:42:59>> um let's just for the time being assume

1:43:03that it's the same parcel that Woodlon

1:43:05Village Auto Repair was at. Does that

1:43:08change anything for you? Does that allow

1:43:10you to

1:43:12>> with your questions or

1:43:13>> Well, it does. I like to have the

1:43:14precise location of the place for one

1:43:16thing. Uh so he's saying it's 64 uh wood

1:43:20lawn and the clerk has it down to west.

1:43:23Both both can't be correct. So I have to

1:43:26determine but in the meantime looks at

1:43:29it. Um but what's your experience with

1:43:32auto repairs?

1:43:34>> Uh I've been work a mechanic since like

1:43:3819 years.

1:43:40>> Oh 19 years.

1:43:41>> Okay. Did you used to own a shop before

1:43:44or you just the first one? Oh, first

1:43:46time. Okay.

1:43:50>> And how many employees are you going to

1:43:52have there?

1:43:53>> Uh, three. I got a two bit.

1:43:58>> How many bays does your does the

1:44:00building have?

1:44:01>> Three days.

1:44:02>> Three. Three b

1:44:05is

1:44:07what exactly is the nature of you're

1:44:09just going to be doing with period?

1:44:12>> Yeah, I'll do a photo repair and a small

1:44:14shop. And what

1:44:16>> uh do small truck too.

1:44:19>> Small truck.

1:44:20>> Oh, small small trucks. Okay. But you're

1:44:22not selling cars or

1:44:24>> I plan to sell cars on the future. Not

1:44:26right now.

1:44:26>> Okay. Right. Because your license

1:44:28currently is going to be limited to just

1:44:30auto repair. Period.

1:44:32>> Yeah. I apply for the auto sale, too.

1:44:35>> It's not here.

1:44:36>> It's not.

1:44:37>> No.

1:44:37>> Oh, I work on that later.

1:44:39>> Okay. So, just so we're clear, you're

1:44:41just doing auto repair.

1:44:42>> Just auto repair for that.

1:44:44>> Okay. Um,

1:44:49council Gregor, I know council Moreno

1:44:51has um

1:44:54a picture to show you. So, it's the

1:44:56corner of Woodland and Eston

1:44:58>> across from Pinto's.

1:45:00>> The application says 102.

1:45:06The application you filled out says 102

1:45:08Eston

1:45:14who did the previous uh

1:45:15>> yeah who was on previously wood village

1:45:19what was their address?

1:45:22>> Let's find out.

1:45:27>> Could I ask you a quick question first?

1:45:30>> Do you own the property or are you

1:45:31leasing?

1:45:32>> I'm renting it, right?

1:45:35forward.

1:45:37>> Your rent or your lease with your

1:45:39landlord, does it reference what

1:45:42address?

1:45:44>> Uh, I rent my landlord at 64 Wooden.

1:45:47>> Okay,

1:45:48>> that's what I'm although the application

1:45:50says 102. Rick, do we have a problem

1:45:53amending that right now to be

1:45:56>> if it's the same if it's the same lot

1:45:58that it says then because we can a lot

1:46:01of times again it it's what we have an

1:46:04an official that's different than what

1:46:06they use. You know, they may have a side

1:46:08door that they use for their address or

1:46:10something like that. I'm looking to see

1:46:13what what Woodlon Village was under.

1:46:59Well, are we comfortable with talk?

1:47:00We'll all talk about the same for me

1:47:05and his lease with the landlord refer to

1:47:08it as

1:47:11four wood.

1:47:15I I don't find this to be able to we

1:47:17know what we're trying.

1:47:20Do you have any additional questions

1:47:23for him?

1:47:26>> Um, Mr. Sme, you are the only owner?

1:47:30>> Yes.

1:47:30>> Okay.

1:47:33>> And

1:47:35what's going to be your operating hours?

1:47:38>> Uh, spent in

1:47:409:30 to 6:30.

1:47:44It says here 8 to 6 p.m. 9:30

1:47:51to 8:30.

1:47:52>> No to 6:30.

1:47:53>> Oh, 6:30.

1:47:56Um, we're doing a residential

1:48:01area, I believe. Right. So,

1:48:08>> 8 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.

1:48:10So, 6 p.m. will be the latest you can be

1:48:12open. residential.

1:48:14>> Okay.

1:48:21>> See, so all work is going to be done

1:48:24inside the garage. Outside

1:48:28>> like

1:48:30Okay.

1:48:31>> Well, that's for the

1:48:32>> No, no, no, no. Uh I do most of my car

1:48:35inside even though small jobs outside

1:48:40like a

1:49:19You don't hold the building.

1:49:27>> Okay. Anybody else question?

1:49:31>> Yeah. Just so just so you're clear so

1:49:33you're not in violation. Like you said,

1:49:34you do some small jobs. You can't do any

1:49:37work outside, right? Everything's got to

1:49:38be inside, right? Just so you're

1:49:40following for the license and when it's

1:49:43determined that you want to sell cars,

1:49:45we're going to have to come back and get

1:49:46a different license for that just to

1:49:48make sure. So this way you're not in

1:49:49violation. You know, want to make sure

1:49:51we protect you, too. Okay. You

1:49:53understand that, correct?

1:49:54>> All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate

1:49:56that.

1:49:58>> Mr. Just one more thing. Uh, one of the

1:50:00issues that we've been having with a lot

1:50:02of auto repair shops is they filled the

1:50:05lot, but register the vehicles or the

1:50:08bags that just sit there and then they

1:50:10start using the actual streets to park.

1:50:14So, that being often the problem because

1:50:17residents don't have a place to park.

1:50:20J said you can't have unregistered cars

1:50:22on the street. Okay. Rick, am I correct?

1:50:25You can't have unregistered vehicles on

1:50:27the lot as well. Okay. Yeah, you're

1:50:29supposed to you're supposed to uh keep

1:50:32all your all the working vehicles

1:50:34inside. You're supposed to keep all the

1:50:35work done that you done inside. You're

1:50:38not, you know, you're not supposed to

1:50:39make a mess. You limit the number of

1:50:41cars that that you have room for uh

1:50:44under the zoning. You don't uh

1:50:48I mean, you can work on unregistered

1:50:50cars because a lot of the cars are

1:50:51unregistered, but you need them. You

1:50:54need to do the work in order to get them

1:50:55registered. So you can't keep them

1:50:58waiting to get the repair to or the cars

1:51:01you've already repaired. You cannot park

1:51:03them on

1:51:04>> not on the street.

1:51:04>> Okay. Those are going to be a couple

1:51:06stipulations that are attached to the

1:51:08license. I I suspect. Okay. And it will

1:51:10be later on the license.

1:51:16>> I just had a question. Sorry. They could

1:51:20be they don't have to be registered on

1:51:22the lot. Just two separate things. They

1:51:24can't be on Spike Street.

1:51:26>> Correct.

1:51:26>> But they can be on the lot.

1:51:28>> Yeah. Because a lot of the cars you're

1:51:29working on are unregistered in order in

1:51:31order to get

1:51:32>> that last

1:51:35unregistered right.

1:51:38>> Am I under the right

1:51:40>> for a commercial property that is

1:51:42engaged in fixing a vehicle? They can

1:51:44have an unreal vehicle on the lot.

1:51:46>> Right.

1:51:47>> But but just but not for extensive

1:51:49periods of time, right? again.

1:51:50>> No, I mean they the problem the problem

1:51:52comes when that the lot gets over full

1:51:55when it gets I mean you don't want all

1:51:56junk cars. You don't want cars that

1:51:58you're just using for parts and you're

1:51:59junking them. I mean if you're working

1:52:01on unregistered cars that's one thing

1:52:03>> but there's no particular time frame or

1:52:05one

1:52:06>> there's nothing no there's nothing that

1:52:07says it has to be gone within so many

1:52:09days

1:52:10you're

1:52:12>> a lot stipulations are put on so that

1:52:14they're not you know you don't have

1:52:17there for weeks at a time.

1:52:18>> Yeah. That's all that's all true

1:52:20stipulation,

1:52:20>> right? You would understand as well that

1:52:24>> you can't have broken down cars there

1:52:27cannibalized

1:52:31vehicle they can't turn into

1:52:37right.

1:52:40So yeah. So uh the stipulation would be

1:52:43that you know

1:54:18Good. We're all set. Yes.

1:54:24One more question.

1:54:30>> It was back here.

1:54:38>> This is supposed to

1:54:41license. This one's parallel with

1:54:44stipulations.

1:54:47Just one last thing just also

1:54:49confirmation of the actual address of

1:54:51the facility. It's 102 as it 64 woodland

1:54:55woodland or is it a split? I'd like it

1:54:58to reflect what actually this 64102

1:55:02that's what

1:55:05>> it's been moved by council Gregor second

1:55:07by council morel that approval be given

1:55:09to the uh petition for career auto

1:55:13repair appear special auto service

1:55:15professional auto repair appear LLC on

1:55:18102 avenue for now licensed under a-26-

1:55:23previously wood village with the

1:55:24following situation

1:55:28hours

1:55:308:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.

1:55:34No work, all work to be done inside

1:55:40or on the lot.

1:55:45Is that all right?

1:55:48Uh, no cars you park on the street,

1:55:55whether they're whether there no cars

1:55:57that are being no customer cars we

1:55:59parked on the street. Um, whether

1:56:02waiting repair or after repair, whether

1:56:05they're registered or unregistered,

1:56:08no cars kept on the lot for the purpose

1:56:11of pro procuring

1:56:13other replacement parts.

1:56:17And it would be approved conditioned on

1:56:19the clerk's office confirming the direct

1:56:26you may have any questions

1:56:29in favor.

1:56:39>> Before I take item number six, I'd like

1:56:40to amend the agenda so I can file a

1:56:42communication

1:56:45sent by council to the year. that we

1:56:47amend the agenda for the purpose of

1:56:49filing a communication. All in favor of

1:56:51amending the agenda.

1:56:53Motion carries. Councelor.

1:56:54>> Yeah. I'd like to um make a motion to

1:56:57file a communication to Michelle Deputy

1:57:01CL uh from David Sakau. Um u referring

1:57:06to item number six on our document

1:57:09second by councelor to appear again that

1:57:12uh a communication from David Sackle to

1:57:15the clerk's office. specifically to uh

1:57:19to deputy city clerk uh regarding

1:57:23uh withdrawing a license submission

1:57:26contained in item six. All in favor of

1:57:28filing the communication and motion

1:57:31carries.

1:57:31>> Item number six is a petition for

1:57:33license and retainer in class F1. There

1:57:35was a petition from Pol Studio uh but

1:57:38the applicant has chosen to withdraw the

1:57:41request. Um, so we no longer looking for

1:57:44this license.

1:57:47>> So do you make a motion to postpone?

1:57:50>> Uh, withdrawal.

1:57:52>> Sure.

1:57:52>> All right. Motion is to withdraw for the

1:57:54applicant.

1:57:56>> Move by council second by councelor

1:57:58Rubio.

1:58:00Uh, item six be withdrawn at the request

1:58:02of the applicant. All in favor?

1:58:05>> Motion carries.

1:58:06>> Further business come board of licensed

1:58:09commissioners. I'd like to make a motion

1:58:10to adjourn and reconvene us at the city

1:58:13council. Council my council address

1:58:19city council please do. I ask everyone

1:58:21to stand and join us in the pledge of

1:58:22allegiance by council mora

1:58:29of the republic for which it stands one

1:58:32nation under God indivisibley and

1:58:35justice for all.

1:58:47City Counc.

1:58:58>> President Mercer

1:58:59>> here.

1:59:00>> Councelor Russo

1:59:01>> here.

1:59:02>> Councilor Kodair

1:59:03>> here.

1:59:04>> Councelor Greger

1:59:05>> here.

1:59:06>> Council Moran

1:59:07>> here. Al Moreno

1:59:09>> here.

1:59:09>> Al Rubio

1:59:10>> here.

1:59:11>> Kovak, councelor Wen

1:59:12>> here.

1:59:13>> Eight in attendance.

1:59:14>> Item number one is the previous minutes

1:59:16from September 10, 2026 of the finance

1:59:19committee, the city property committee,

1:59:21the committee on claims and pending

1:59:23suits and the city council. My motion is

1:59:25to approve these minutes.

1:59:26>> Second move by council will approval

1:59:30given to the September 10th immediate

1:59:33minutes of the September 10th meetings

1:59:35of the finance committee. City property

1:59:38committee may react claims kind of suits

1:59:40on the city council. Any concerns,

1:59:42amendments, deletions, additions?

1:59:44Hearing none, all in favor? Motion

1:59:46carries.

1:59:49>> Item number two is a consent agenda and

1:59:52correspondence. I make a motion to

1:59:53approve.

1:59:55Move

1:59:55>> by council. Second by councelor Moreno

1:59:57to approve. We give the items to the

1:59:58consent agenda and correspondence. Are

2:00:00there any items the members would like

2:00:03to address separately? B and D.

2:00:12Anyone else?

2:00:13>> I had B, but he might cover it.

2:00:18>> I will take items.

2:00:20Uh, otherwise all in favor motion car.

2:00:26Uh, council right. I'm sorry about

2:00:30Jeff something. You want to raise your

2:00:31hand? No.

2:00:34It's all No.

2:00:36Okay.

2:00:38Item B, Mr. President, communication

2:00:40pros, protect resident, the honorable

2:00:43Daniel McKe, Governor, Superintendent

2:00:45Colonel Donald Weaver, Rhode Island

2:00:47State Police, and the honorable Terrence

2:00:48Mercer, city council president,

2:00:50regarding unregistered vehicles. I just

2:00:52had this letter put on the docket. Um, I

2:00:54guess he has a business over at 110

2:00:56Tweet Street, Mr. Aimberry. The letter

2:00:58basically is uh stating that there are

2:01:02some issues over on Harris Street which

2:01:04I guess are budged his work business

2:01:06there. He lists several vehicles that

2:01:09shouldn't be there or they're going

2:01:10beyond a 2-hour parking zone. They've

2:01:12been there for at least a month without

2:01:14a ticket. Uh there's a vehicle that may

2:01:16be unregistered that's in the list. He

2:01:18also alludes to he calls an unlicensed

2:01:22repair shop on city property near where

2:01:25his business is. So, I would just want

2:01:28to make sure that this letter, my

2:01:29communication would be I make a motion

2:01:31that the letter be forwarded to the

2:01:33police department, the zoning

2:01:34department, and DPW. And just for DPW,

2:01:37make sure the proper signage is there,

2:01:39whether it's two-hour parking or

2:01:41whatever needs to be at that Harrison

2:01:44Tweet Street area where his business is

2:01:46and the police department to go out

2:01:48there and contact Mr. names very

2:01:51directly and then see if these vehicles

2:01:54are still there cuz I know the letters

2:01:55dated September 3rd some times gone by

2:01:58but just to make sure and have them

2:01:59reach out to him see what the problems

2:02:01are if there are vehicles that need to

2:02:02be ticketed or towed have them do that

2:02:04as soon as possible and then zoning go

2:02:06out there as well to see if there is

2:02:08this unlicensed repair shop on city

2:02:11property that Mr. Amy Barry alludes to

2:02:13and uh I'd like a response for the

2:02:15October 21st meeting.

2:02:22>> Anybody else on that item?

2:02:27>> So the motion by council man second by

2:02:32council was send forward uh item B

2:02:37communicated from Mr. being very to

2:02:41police department

2:02:44and sewing to address those respective

2:02:46issues. Um DPW signage department would

2:02:51be illegal parking and or over time

2:02:55parking and zoning relative to the

2:02:58suggestion of an unlicensed repair shop

2:03:01as it was right

2:03:02>> uh repair shop in in that vicinity. Um,

2:03:05I'll just mention that um, in the

2:03:08finance committee tonight, we we heard

2:03:10uh, a proposal to uh, create a position

2:03:13for parking enforcement. Um, this is

2:03:16kind of what exactly what they're

2:03:18looking at. It's aimed primarily that

2:03:20are on the the stadium, but we do have

2:03:23other areas that have time restrict

2:03:26parking.

2:03:27We have some right in front of notes,

2:03:29don't we?

2:03:30>> Right. So, we will um uh I'm sure that

2:03:34will be able to be addressed. Anybody

2:03:37any other concerns or questions about

2:03:39sending the forwarding the

2:03:42correspondence

2:03:42>> in response by October 20th

2:03:43>> in a response sorry response uh to us

2:03:46back by second meeting of October on

2:03:48October 21st. Any discussion? All in

2:03:51favor?

2:03:52>> Motion carried. You want to take D while

2:03:54you're at it?

2:03:55>> That's fine. That's all I do. Uh Mr.

2:03:57President item D. Communication from

2:03:58Chris Cwley, acting director of public

2:04:00works to Richard Goldstein, MMC city

2:04:02clerk, response to traffic signed on

2:04:03Rice Street. First of all, I want to

2:04:05thank Mr. Cwley and his department for

2:04:07working on this. I know he has a date of

2:04:09October 2nd to complete all uh the

2:04:12traffic uh signage uh signage and also

2:04:15painting their lines and everything.

2:04:17What I wanted to do is if we could send

2:04:18a communication just to Chris, Mr.

2:04:20Paulie just asking because I don't think

2:04:22it's on the list, but I had a few

2:04:24constituents ask me I'd like to see if

2:04:26he could add in a painted crosswalk

2:04:30Rice Street and at Archer Street, but I

2:04:32want there's already crosswalks for

2:04:34Archer itself. I want to see if we can

2:04:36get a crosswalk for Rice, you know,

2:04:39crossing Rice on both sides of that stop

2:04:41sign. You don't always see that usually

2:04:43on the side street, but I think if you

2:04:44put it on the main drag, I think it'll

2:04:46just emphasize it more. Plus, people may

2:04:48want to walk across Rice Street. They

2:04:50don't have a crosswalk there, but I'd

2:04:51like it to go on rice street crossing

2:04:53rice at a if you could do

2:04:55[clears throat] that and I I'll I'll

2:04:57wait for the response on the 21st on

2:04:58that too. The move by council man by

2:05:02council

2:05:04uh that we send a communication to uh

2:05:08director Cwley asking we follow up one

2:05:11more time in the rice street area to

2:05:14consider a painted crosswalk on the rice

2:05:17street section of the at the

2:05:20cross of

2:05:22>> Asher

2:05:23>> Archer. Is that it?

2:05:24>> Yeah, that's it.

2:05:25>> Any discussion on that communication?

2:05:28All in favor?

2:05:29>> I motion carries.

2:05:30>> Thank you.

2:05:31>> Item C is a communication from uh

2:05:34Richard Goldstein clerk to Kelly Coats,

2:05:37the president of the seagull capado

2:05:39group uh regarding a pre-consel

2:05:41appearance for the narant park plaza

2:05:45project. Uh if you read the

2:05:47correspondence that was sent at my

2:05:49request from the clerk's office to ask

2:05:51Mr. coats or somebody from Carp to come

2:05:54in uh to give us an update on what's

2:05:57going on in Argent Plaza and to be

2:05:59perfectly blunt to to explain to us why

2:06:03the only thing going on is on the East

2:06:06Proidence side of that plaza when we

2:06:08were we were told when we were going to

2:06:12um

2:06:14redo some zoning and give up a little

2:06:17bit of land that they'd be working both

2:06:20with these Providence and Kentucky to

2:06:22create a what he referred to as I think

2:06:25a mini uh garden city. Uh it's

2:06:31looking like anything but a garden. Uh

2:06:34there's been quite a bit of work on the

2:06:36Providence side. What we've got on the

2:06:38on the Kentucky side is a 30 foot high

2:06:42mound of dirt growing weeds. We've got

2:06:45clapboards coming off the the

2:06:48uh stop and shop building and uh uh

2:06:54potholes galore. So I wanted him to come

2:06:57in. Uh the problem is they are currently

2:07:00involved with some sort of a legal

2:07:03struggle about control of the uh coffee

2:07:07properties. So um we didn't get a

2:07:10response back. We're waiting to see um

2:07:14how that may come to fruition in the in

2:07:18the courts, but um I will be seeking to

2:07:22get somebody to come in and explain that

2:07:24to us.

2:07:25>> Yes.

2:07:25>> Did you see where they they fenced off

2:07:27the Kentucky area that build

2:07:30>> I saw them doing that the other day.

2:07:31>> Build a Wendy's other folks.

2:07:36>> I'll believe it when I see it. uh you

2:07:38know it's it really it's the it's the

2:07:40stop and shop building that is in

2:07:42complete disrepair. Matter of fact um

2:07:46I'd entertain a motion to have zone and

2:07:48go out there and give a review of that

2:07:51property and issue whatever citations

2:07:56is what are warranted for disrepair

2:08:01uh just like we would do with our our

2:08:03residential properties. Um,

2:08:06this cannot allow.

2:08:08So,

2:08:09>> I'll make that motion. So moved by

2:08:10council, council man, second by

2:08:13councelor Nubio that we send a

2:08:15communication to the zoning department

2:08:18to do a full on review of the property

2:08:24on uh against the park plaza uh in the

2:08:27in the side um with an eye toward any

2:08:31violation being erected so that the the

2:08:34folks in that area don't have to

2:08:36continually be bombarded with that

2:08:39eyesore.

2:08:41Uh before we talk, do you have anything

2:08:44on that?

2:08:44>> Yes. Um yeah, President Russ, I just

2:08:48want to say how disappointed I am with

2:08:50what was presented to the council. Uh

2:08:54they did make make it look like it was

2:08:56going to be a mini Sakaset 2 or and it

2:09:00underground parking, housing on the top,

2:09:02commercial on the bottom. looked like it

2:09:04was going to be the only improvement

2:09:06that like you say is has been on on the

2:09:08East Providence side and there's been

2:09:10other development over on East

2:09:12Providence that they could have mirrored

2:09:14and still have chose not to um just

2:09:17leaving piles there. So, and now like

2:09:20you also indicate that they're caught up

2:09:22in litigation. So, we might end up uh

2:09:25looking like this is going to look like

2:09:26this for years. So I I'm appreciative of

2:09:29the council president taking the action

2:09:31to try and get this cleared up as soon

2:09:33as possible.

2:09:34>> Right. Appreciate the motion council and

2:09:37council. Any discussion on that motion?

2:09:40All the votes.

2:09:45>> President 3A communication from his

2:09:47mayor mayor Donald Revy to the honorable

2:09:49members of the Kentucky City Council

2:09:50submitting the following appointment as

2:09:52a member of the public library board of

2:09:54trustees for confirmation. Nikki Kent 27

2:09:57L Ro Loi Street Island term expires the

2:10:00first Monday in January of 2030. Motion

2:10:03is a roll call is to approve a roll call

2:10:05vote on a roll call vote. I can't even

2:10:07talk.

2:10:08>> Thank you. The move by councelor Maran

2:10:10second by council area and councelor

2:10:13that a communication with mayor Donald

2:10:16city council submitting the following

2:10:18appointment as a member of the

2:10:20library board of trustees Nikki thanks 1

2:10:23load street for a term expires the first

2:10:26Monday in January of 2030 motion for

2:10:30confirmation on a roll call vote any

2:10:32discussion

2:10:33call the role

2:10:36>> president Mercer Yes,

2:10:38>> councelor Aroujo.

2:10:39>> Yes,

2:10:39>> council kodair.

2:10:40>> Yes,

2:10:40>> councelor Gregor.

2:10:42>> Yes,

2:10:43>> council moran.

2:10:44>> Yes,

2:10:44>> council moreno.

2:10:48>> Yes, council rubio.

2:10:50>> Yes,

2:10:50>> council.

2:10:51>> Yes.

2:10:52>> 8 to zero.

2:10:52>> Council president, that's actually low

2:10:54ice.

2:10:55>> I thought it was low eye, but it's

2:10:56>> and I lived on a corner of Canyon and Lo

2:10:58ice. Every short street, so it's

2:11:00actually low.

2:11:00>> I think you go either way, but that's

2:11:02just me.

2:11:02>> There's a song about it.

2:11:03>> It's one of them. I I don't know the

2:11:05song.

2:11:073B commun Go ahead. Sorry.

2:11:09>> That's what I do about not for the

2:11:10Senate.

2:11:13>> Commun Oh god. Thank you. Communication

2:11:15from Mayor Donald and the honorable

2:11:17members of Paka City Council submitting

2:11:19the following appointment as a member of

2:11:20the Pucka Redevelopment Agency for

2:11:22confirmation. I'll try to do a better

2:11:24job on this one. Monica Zulaga

2:11:28176 Clue Street Rhode Island term expire

2:11:31September 12, 2031. Motion to approve on

2:11:33a roll call vote. Second move by council

2:11:36man, second by councelor Rubio.

2:11:38Communication from his honor

2:11:39[clears throat] mayor Donaldian, the

2:11:40honorable member city council committ

2:11:43following appointment as a member of the

2:11:44bucket redevelopment agency. Monica

2:11:47Duluaga of 176 Street for that

2:11:51expires of September 12th, 2031.

2:11:55Uh that motion is for confirmation of

2:11:56roll co. Is there any discussion?

2:11:58>> I almost said LO just to let you know.

2:12:00>> Was clue correct

2:12:02>> to my knowledge. Yes. flu move. Oh, it

2:12:05wasn't that I was making it.

2:12:08>> Hang on. Council.

2:12:09>> Yeah. Uh, council president.

2:12:12I'm just a preb here, but my issue is

2:12:14this was kind of this is an amended

2:12:17agenda that was just done on the 21st.

2:12:19And this is a extremely important

2:12:22position

2:12:23um

2:12:25development agency. And my my issue with

2:12:28this is I'm going to ask if we can

2:12:30continue with the next meeting on case

2:12:33um people have a chance to look at it

2:12:36and maybe there's any public comment

2:12:37regarding that again.

2:12:39>> Well, they I just they did have the 48

2:12:41hours notice, but the real reason is

2:12:43they're having trouble getting

2:12:46quarantined.

2:12:53So, this is important. It's important

2:12:55that we get it done now.

2:12:59>> So, so what do you say? They're short

2:13:01one person. Is that what it is?

2:13:04>> They're having trouble having a board,

2:13:09>> but the woman is qualified

2:13:11>> and and we we did get it on time for the

2:13:15agenda to beed on.

2:13:18do put our agendas out on Wednesday on

2:13:20Thursday, but uh it can be amended up

2:13:23until 48 hours in

2:13:33the motion for for confirmation on call

2:13:38of course. Um uh any discussion on the

2:13:42motion to confer

2:13:45>> President Mercer?

2:13:46>> Yes.

2:13:46>> Council Ra. Yes.

2:13:49>> Dr. Greger.

2:13:57>> Greor.

2:14:01>> I'm going to vote no.

2:14:04>> Moran.

2:14:05>> Yes.

2:14:06>> Moreno.

2:14:06>> Yes.

2:14:07>> Dr. Rubio.

2:14:08>> Yes.

2:14:09>> Weren.

2:14:10>> Yes.

2:14:11>> 70 to1. Number four is a resolution

2:14:13authorizing city of Pucket to issue to

2:14:16issue not to exceed two mill $220

2:14:20million in general obligation bonds,

2:14:22notes, and other evidences of

2:14:24indebtedness to finance the acquisition,

2:14:27construction, improvement and

2:14:28furnishings and equipping of the new

2:14:31high school and school facilities and

2:14:34all expenses incidents

2:14:37there too, including but not limited to

2:14:40cost of design, demolition, athletic

2:14:43fields, landscaping, parking, subject to

2:14:46approval of the state housing aid, and

2:14:49at a reimbursement rate of the state

2:14:52share ratio not to less than 80 83.7%

2:14:58for the expenditures eligible for the

2:15:00state aid and provide that the

2:15:02authorization shall be reduced by any

2:15:05grant received from the school building

2:15:08authority capital fund. Call for

2:15:10approval and a roll call vote. Second

2:15:13>> moved by councelor uh second by council

2:15:17Moran and council Moran that approval be

2:15:22given to a resolution authorized in the

2:15:24city of Kentucky to issue not to exceed

2:15:27$220 million general obligation bonds

2:15:30notes and other evidences of

2:15:32indebtedness to finance the acquisition

2:15:34construction improvement furnishing and

2:15:36equipping of a new high school and

2:15:38school facilities and all expenses

2:15:40incident there including but not limited

2:15:42to the cost of design, demolition,

2:15:44athletic fields, landscaping and parking

2:15:47subject to approval of state housing aid

2:15:49at a reimbursement rate or state share

2:15:52ratio not less than 83.7%

2:15:55for expenditures eligible for state aid

2:15:57and provided that the authorization

2:15:59shall be reduced by any grant received

2:16:02from the school building authority

2:16:03capital fund. Motion is for approval on

2:16:06a roll call vote, but we are fortunate

2:16:08enough to have the acting finance

2:16:10director here. Forsy, could you come

2:16:13forward, please?

2:16:14>> So,

2:16:16>> you're lucky it wasn't the last meeting,

2:16:17man.

2:16:19>> The voters approved 330 up to 330

2:16:21million. We as a council um bought

2:16:25better of floating 330 million uh 330

2:16:30million immediately and we gave the

2:16:32school department roughly a third as the

2:16:35starting point and now they need more

2:16:38and you're going to tell us why it

2:16:40probably makes sense for us to to go out

2:16:44and bond the rest of the 220.

2:16:47>> Yes. So the plan, the school's moving

2:16:49along. They're spending, you know, 6 to7

2:16:52million a month. Um the plan is to go

2:16:55out for 125 million in a ban, which

2:16:58obviously will come back to you once

2:17:00that process is done. That's going to be

2:17:02for uh late October, November. So

2:17:05instead of coming to you now and then

2:17:06coming to you again in July to ask you

2:17:08to do the rest because in July we plan

2:17:10on bonding all of it. So because

2:17:14there'll only be a year left for them to

2:17:16go. So that's why we asked for the 220

2:17:19right now.

2:17:19>> There's a ban from now until July.

2:17:22>> Correct. And then we plan on bonding

2:17:24>> full 220.

2:17:26>> Uh I'm pretty close. Yeah,

2:17:28>> I'm pretty sure we'll be asking for the

2:17:30rest.

2:17:31>> Okay. Do we know what the rates will be

2:17:33for that or the rate?

2:17:34>> No idea yet. We just went out um to bid

2:17:36for the band. So,

2:17:40>> and we got good buy news.

2:17:41>> But I Yes, I can tell you that Moody's

2:17:44uh Fitch just reaffirmed our rating,

2:17:46keeping it where it was. Um, and I have

2:17:48more good news. Nobody's asked, but the

2:17:51audit is going to print right now. So,

2:17:54you will have it shortly. I will have it

2:17:57tomorrow in email form, but the audit

2:18:00for 25 is finally done, which

2:18:02everybody's been waiting for. So I will

2:18:04be sending that out to all of the

2:18:06Moody's Fitch, all of them.

2:18:07>> Fiscal 25.

2:18:08>> Fiscal 25. Yes. Just starting 26.

2:18:11>> Do we expect to be

2:18:14earlier with fiscal 26?

2:18:16>> We expect to be on time with fiscal year

2:18:1826.

2:18:19>> Good to hear.

2:18:21>> When was the last time you said?

2:18:23>> Been a while.

2:18:26>> It sounds like uh they've got things

2:18:29moving in the right direction on the

2:18:31school side.

2:18:31>> Yes, definitely. finances and wrapping

2:18:34that fiscal 25 ordered up.

2:18:37>> Yeah. And that's exactly what took so

2:18:38long um because they have a Yukoa file

2:18:41that they have to submit to the state.

2:18:42The Yako file has to match this MTP

2:18:45report that if they didn't include it in

2:18:46the audit, we would have been done two

2:18:48months ago. But because they couldn't

2:18:50get them to match and then we had

2:18:51problems with our software and whatnot,

2:18:53finally get it all set. They delivered

2:18:55the MTP today. I sent it right off this

2:18:58morning and they said the final audit is

2:19:00they had everything done. They just need

2:19:01that to attach to it. So,

2:19:03>> high hopes for their progress with the

2:19:05fiscal 26.

2:19:07>> Yes, we've already started them coming

2:19:08in mid-occtober.

2:19:09>> Okay, great. Thank you. Anything else?

2:19:12Anybody have any other questions for

2:19:13Janine?

2:19:15Council,

2:19:18thanks for being I just had a question.

2:19:20I thought the reimbursement rate from

2:19:22when it was approved was 90 something

2:19:24that was

2:19:25>> so they got additional money. It payo

2:19:28money.

2:19:31>> It's still council can probably explain

2:19:34it better than I

2:19:34>> Yeah. basically the minimum amount we

2:19:37will get reimbured is 83.7 or whatever

2:19:40it says there right percent. But there

2:19:42are other things that can enhance that

2:19:45uh reimbursement rate. I believe we're

2:19:47like a 90 or 91%.

2:19:50But when when it comes to what the

2:19:53minimum will get, they're just

2:19:55referencing the minimum that state aid

2:19:58that we get right at the ground level.

2:20:01And then we are able to [clears throat]

2:20:03get more reimbursement by hitting

2:20:05different quotas, different marks. But

2:20:0780 saying 83.7 is just saying that we'll

2:20:10never go under that. Doesn't say we

2:20:12can't go over it. Right. But we've been

2:20:15assured by colleers that they have hit

2:20:19those other benchmarks that unless

2:20:21things change they will be it'll be like

2:20:2390

2:20:25>> 90.1 or 90 something like that right

2:20:28>> but you can't put that on like you can't

2:20:30say

2:20:31>> it's no less just like it's no no more

2:20:33than 230 it's no less than 83.7 that go

2:20:37but there is it's my understanding a

2:20:41virtual guarantee that

2:20:43was close to the 90 95%.

2:20:45>> That resolution is what was passed by

2:20:47the voters, right? So that was back

2:20:49then. So they didn't know they were

2:20:50going to hit the benchmarks.

2:20:51>> There was a chance they could not have,

2:20:53but we are seeing that they are hitting

2:20:55the benchmarks. So

2:20:56>> this is the language that tracks with

2:20:59bond questions to the number of years.

2:21:03>> Your question sir.

2:21:04>> Um yeah, thank you. I just have one

2:21:07question. Now

2:21:09you're saying the right now you need

2:21:10about 120 million. That's what you're

2:21:12going

2:21:12>> 125 million is what we're looking to go

2:21:14out for BM.

2:21:16>> Okay. And then you're expecting to come

2:21:18back in July.

2:21:20>> Yes. So the 125 million will get us to

2:21:22July and then we'll need more money, you

2:21:25know, to continue on. But a short-term

2:21:28offering is better. We've consulted with

2:21:29the financial advisors and a short-term

2:21:32offering is better for now and then we

2:21:33go out to bond. We try not to we try to

2:21:35bond once a year if that you know we'd

2:21:38like to go longer but with this big

2:21:39project we're gonna have to bond again.

2:21:42>> Okay. So so why asking for two 220

2:21:45million now and not wait till July for

2:21:47the difference between a 220 and a 125

2:21:50if you

2:21:50>> we could but I was just trying to save

2:21:51myself from coming back to be honest.

2:21:55We always used to disapprove the entire

2:21:57thing, but because this was such a large

2:21:59project, that's why we split it up and

2:22:02we have very good faith in the school

2:22:04department right now. So,

2:22:05>> well, because that's kind of my issue.

2:22:08Again, I'm just going to bring back the

2:22:09fact that we have an outgoing

2:22:10administration, a new one coming in in

2:22:13January in less than a couple of months.

2:22:15So, what's the rush there?

2:22:17>> There there's definitely no rush. It was

2:22:19my idea. I I asked the mayor if we could

2:22:22go out for the, you know, the full 220

2:22:24so we don't have to come back again.

2:22:25We're not going to stop the project in

2:22:26the middle or 3/4 of the way done. Um,

2:22:29but he certainly is in charge of if we

2:22:31go out to bond or not. That's not on me.

2:22:34I recommend to him and be, you know, or

2:22:36whoever could be, you know, a finance

2:22:38director hopefully coming soon. So

2:22:41>> yeah, that's my

2:22:43administration. I don't see what

2:22:45Oklahoma is in just asking for what you

2:22:47mean by down to 125 and then coming back

2:22:49in July.

2:22:52>> Yeah, it it's one one way or the other.

2:22:57Either way, we're going to come back.

2:22:59>> You can come back. I'm sure they'll be

2:23:00happy to see you.

2:23:00>> Yeah.

2:23:02>> Well, it does say in section two that

2:23:05it's either at one time or from time to

2:23:07time. So I think it just encapsulates

2:23:09that there's in the new administration

2:23:12will be part of that in July. It allows

2:23:15them to come back to us and say okay now

2:23:18when needed the balance of it and that I

2:23:20looked at that language and that that

2:23:22language I'm very comfortable with

2:23:24because it's saying you don't have to do

2:23:25it all at once. It can be from time to

2:23:27time but at least it says there's the

2:23:29max bonding capacity that you can do

2:23:32right now or in the future and it just

2:23:35takes care of all of it. And you know,

2:23:37the new administration will take over

2:23:38and they'll be coming back in July.

2:23:40That'll be them to do that. So I I think

2:23:43it's pretty clear. I think we're good in

2:23:45good shape by [clears throat] doing it

2:23:46in one shot because they're not going

2:23:49after the one. They're going to come

2:23:50back to 125. We're going to have to

2:23:52approve it. So, right. So, with that,

2:23:54just gonna

2:23:55>> we we did it differently with this

2:23:57hotel. It was such a big project and we

2:23:59weren't we had very little faith in uh

2:24:03the school department after

2:24:07the unveiling at at Winters and some

2:24:10infighting and skepticism about where

2:24:13their finances were. So, we gave them

2:24:16the seed money.

2:24:18Um, I'm comfortable now at this point

2:24:22like in the new compromise we're not

2:24:24going to stop now, right? So, uh, I'm

2:24:27I'm fine with approving this resolution

2:24:30on on my end.

2:24:36>> Um, yeah, it's it we've indicated that

2:24:39the project's on on point. It's on

2:24:42budget and uh seems to be going

2:24:43smoothly. So, uh, it this just allows

2:24:46the city to operate from a point of view

2:24:48that if we need the money, we already

2:24:50have it and and so I'm I'm totally

2:24:53comfortable with this.

2:24:54>> Yeah. And I'm comfortable, too. And it

2:24:55just I didn't just like the choice of

2:24:57words, council Gregory, and not pick a

2:24:58fight, but I mean, you alluded to Chris

2:25:00Cley earlier about rush. You used that

2:25:02term twice, rush. I don't see anybody

2:25:04rushing anything here. This is just the

2:25:06administration that's in it now that's

2:25:08going to be outgoing is doing what they

2:25:09think is right for the taxpayers and

2:25:11everybody else. So I don't I don't think

2:25:12they're trying to rush things. They're

2:25:14just coming out with what they think is

2:25:15the best way to do it right now. And I

2:25:17think Mr. Cley did the same thing as you

2:25:19alluded to, Mr. President. He was just

2:25:20bringing out an update. Doesn't mean

2:25:21it's all going to happen. But I mean,

2:25:23things have to continue to move on. We

2:25:25can't stop and hold back to wait for the

2:25:26new administration to come in. So that's

2:25:28all I just want to clarify.

2:25:29>> Totally old me, too. So

2:25:31>> yeah. Well, and we do we we have a whole

2:25:33transition process and it's already

2:25:35done.

2:25:36>> Everything's out the old this happens

2:25:38from administration to administration.

2:25:40We can't uh bury our head in the sand

2:25:42for three and a half months until it

2:25:45happens. But um I would be voting yes.

2:25:48Anybody [clears throat] else?

2:25:53I just don't see the harm in

2:25:57letting it out.

2:25:59>> Just said there was no issue with that.

2:26:01Never.

2:26:03You can make a motion if you like.

2:26:11>> Go.

2:26:12>> President Mercer.

2:26:13>> Yes.

2:26:13>> Council Roujo.

2:26:14>> Yes.

2:26:15>> Council Kodair.

2:26:15>> Yes.

2:26:16>> Council Gregor.

2:26:17>> I'm going to vote no.

2:26:20>> Council Moran.

2:26:21>> Yes. For my own reasons.

2:26:22>> Council Moreno.

2:26:23>> Yes.

2:26:24>> Councilor Rubio.

2:26:25>> Yes.

2:26:26>> Council Wildering.

2:26:27>> Yes.

2:26:27>> Seven to one.

2:26:29>> Number five. The finance committee

2:26:30returns the following contract with

2:26:31recommendation for approval.

2:26:32Ratification of the collective bargain

2:26:34arrangement by

2:26:36the in between local 251 and the

2:26:38Kentucky water supply board July 1st

2:26:412026 to June 30th 2029 and call for

2:26:45approval on a roll call both

2:26:47>> second move by councelor second by

2:26:49councel Miranda fin return the following

2:26:51contract with a recommendation for

2:26:53approval of the ratification of the

2:26:55collective bargain agreement by team

2:26:58local 251 and the private water supply

2:27:00board on June 1st. 1st, 2026,

2:27:04June 30th, 2029.

2:27:07Any excuse me, any discussion on a

2:27:09motion to approve on a roll call

2:27:12second?

2:27:15both the members of the finance

2:27:17committee capital of the nation. Um

2:27:20>> I would just like to elaborate on the

2:27:21finance committee and thank council and

2:27:24gender cells for it's this is all

2:27:27provided by uh something by the rate

2:27:29payers and they've listened over the

2:27:31years and it's it's made it a better

2:27:34position for them to go off and get

2:27:35people.

2:27:38Uh we wholeheartly supported this and

2:27:40want to thank them for their efforts

2:27:41>> and just be clear it's it's 882 rates

2:27:45approved by

2:27:46>> correct. Yes.

2:27:47>> Correct. Correct.

2:27:50>> Okay. Any other questions?

2:27:52That is perfect roll.

2:27:53>> President Marcela.

2:27:54>> Yes.

2:27:54>> Council Rio.

2:27:55>> Yes.

2:27:56>> Council Kodair.

2:27:57>> Yes.

2:27:57>> Council Gregor.

2:27:58>> Yes.

2:27:59>> Council Moran.

2:28:00>> Yes.

2:28:00>> Council Moreno.

2:28:02>> Yes.

2:28:02>> Council Rubio.

2:28:03>> Yes.

2:28:04>> Council Wilder.

2:28:05>> Yes.

2:28:05>> Eight to zero. Number six, the finance

2:28:08committee returns the following

2:28:09ordinance within a recommendation for

2:28:10approval. An ordinance repealing and

2:28:12replacing the scheduled pay rates for

2:28:14local 251 section 88-2 the code of

2:28:17ordinances for the city of Pucket uh

2:28:191996 teamsters 2026 to 2029. I call for

2:28:24approval for first passage on roll call

2:28:26vote.

2:28:27>> Second by councel second by council

2:28:31rubio. Council Moran Finance Committee

2:28:34returns the following ordinance with the

2:28:35recommendation for approval and

2:28:36ordinance appealing or replacement

2:28:38schedule of pay rates for local 251 in

2:28:40section 88-12 of the code of 11 package

2:28:451996 regarding changers 26 through 29

2:28:50motion passes on a roll call vote any

2:28:52discussion

2:28:55roll

2:28:55>> president Mercifio

2:28:58>> yes

2:28:58>> council kair

2:28:59>> yes

2:28:59>> councor

2:29:00>> yes Dr. Moran,

2:29:02>> yes.

2:29:02>> Dr. Moreno,

2:29:03>> yes.

2:29:03>> Dr. Rubio,

2:29:04>> yes.

2:29:05>> Council Wilder,

2:29:06>> yes.

2:29:07>> Eight to zero.

2:29:08>> Council Wilder.

2:29:09>> Um, on this occasion, I would just like

2:29:12to welcome uh Gavin Thomas King into the

2:29:17world. Uh, another grandson. And, uh,

2:29:20congratulate him.

2:29:22>> Congratulations, council.

2:29:24>> Welcome to the world.

2:29:25>> I'm gonna add to that one. I'd like to

2:29:28welcome

2:29:32Leandro

2:29:33Navaro Rubio. There you go.

2:29:36>> My sister had a few.

2:29:39>> Congratulations.

2:29:40>> Uh ladies,

2:29:41>> I am going to actually welcome uh the

2:29:47likely

2:29:49uh council elect from the Failorn area

2:29:556, Master Cavalo. Is she having a baby

2:29:57too?

2:29:58>> No.

2:30:07Welcome.

2:30:07>> All right. Well, welcome. Welcome. We

2:30:09look forward to it.

2:30:11>> Hope you learned a lot.

2:30:13>> Good day. No further business coming

2:30:14from the city council. I make a motion

2:30:16that we adjourn.

2:30:17>> By council that we adjourn. Second by

2:30:19everyone. All in favor? How?

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