2026-11-04 - Tedford Road Design Meeting

So, good evening everyone. Thank you for

coming to our meeting tonight about the

Tedford Road reconstruction and the

sidewalk. I'm I'm Mark Waltz, the town

manager, and we'll go around and do some

introductions here and then I'll just

kind of set the stage before we turn it

over to our engineers.

Chief Hagan?

>> Mark Hagan, chief of police.

>> Max Hunter, public works director.

>> I'm [name], a civil engineer

with BH2M.

>> [name], also a civil engineer with

BH2M.

>> [name], deputy director of public

works.

>> So, um many of you were here probably 2

years ago um when we had a draft plan to

basically help us choose which side of

the road we wanted the sidewalk on.

And the consensus of the group that

night was that um

the preferred side was the west side of

the road.

And

for those of you that weren't here, this

project has been requested by uh your

neighborhood for a long time.

Um people have said it'd be much safer

to walk on the road, they'd like to have

a sidewalk there. Our former public

works director initially um was hoping

it would be a much easier project. You

may have noticed a few years back we

added sidewalks to Topsham Fair Mall

Topsham Fair Topsham Mall.

>> Yeah.

>> Topsham Fair Mall Road. Anyway,

um

down by Best Buy. And uh for that one

all we basically had to do was pave a

part of the shoulder. Um but it quickly

became apparent once the engineers got

involved in Tedford Road that because of

the road is so flat, um if we just paved

the sidewalk in, what we'd do is create

all kinds of drainage issues.

Um, and then as most of you know, your

road is about 200 years old and was

originally for horses and then just kind

of got paved over and was never properly

built. Um, so to do this project, we end

up having to rebuild the road, which is

good because we'll have a, you know,

good quality road, but it certainly

increased the cost a lot.

Um, we went from a project that we

thought would be

um, roughly 200,000 to one that's going

to be about 2 million to rebuild the

road, put the drainage in, put the

sidewalks.

Um, the first piece of this was done a

couple of years ago when we had to redo

the culvert at the end of the road. Uh,

we thought since we're digging it up, we

may as well put the sidewalk in there.

Uh, so that piece already has it in, but

now we're looking for the the rest of

it. Uh,

the select board approved an RFP

um, earlier this year for the design

work to follow on from the

um, the preliminary choice that that you

folks have made of which side of the

street. And BH2M engineering firm won

that. Um, they've been out a number of

times viewing the road with town staff.

Uh, they're actually going to be out

once more next week with a survey crew

just to verify the locations that are in

the prior survey and see what may have

changed. Um, and now that they know

pretty much what they think they want to

do with the design, they want to again

verify points, figure out where drainage

is going to be, stuff like that.

Um,

we had a question earlier which I'll

address now and then we'll certainly

take more questions and comments in a

few minutes after they open up with

their presentation. Uh, the question

earlier was when would you hope to do

this? Uh, the hope would be we would try

to do this next summer. Uh, so the steps

that are remained to be involved is they

would finish their design. Um, the water

district has joined in this project

because they need to replace your water

line that goes down Tedford Road. Uh, so

they are going to be paying any costs

associated with that portion of it. Um,

and there should be a little at least a

little bit of overlap of things that are

mutually beneficial, so it should be a

little cheaper for both the town and the

water district to do the project at

once.

Um

So, what would happen is they finish

their design, then get approval for the

select board to put things out to bid.

Um we would then get actual numbers back

rather than estimates. Um heard a little

bit that maybe some of the contractors

are getting a little hungrier for work

next summer. So, hopefully that might

mean a little more favorable prices than

we would have gotten otherwise.

Uh

and then we have that we could access in

our kitty through various things,

somewhere around a million right now. Um

and then there'll probably be roughly

final numbers based on what the bids

come back, be another million that we

need to go on the capital improvements

for next year's budget that would make

it through the budget process.

Um [snorts] all this is subject to

approval of a town meeting. Uh so, we

won't be able to say absolutely certain

this is happening next summer until the

end of the budget process including town

meeting. Um but that's the plan right

now is to try to uh make that happen cuz

as I know some of you have been

frustrated this is dragging on forever.

We'd like to get it done too. So, that's

certainly our goal is to try to find a

way to make that happen.

Um with that said, I'll turn it over to

our engineers and then we'll take

comments and questions after that.

>> The floor.

>> Okay. Uh well, again thanks everybody

for coming by. Um my name is [name]

from BH2M. Um one of the

design engineers on this project. Um so,

Ten Rod the um existing conditions on

this road show about a 20 to 22-ft wide

road um with no shoulders on either side

and the road length is about 4,000

linear feet.

Um

what we are proposing to do is to design

and construct a sidewalk along

the western side of the road. Um and in

the plan that Steve has up here, you can

kind of see the very beginning of it

anyway.

When we say west side of the road as

we're looking up the road, that would be

on the left side as we're as we're going

from Middlesex up.

Um so, the project looks to put sidewalk

along that entire west side.

Um, that'll include going across the

railroad tracks,

um, and then up to meet the existing,

um,

culvert crossing that, um, as Mark said,

was constructed a couple years back. So,

basically, the sidewalk would meet that

existing sidewalk.

Um, as far as the drainage aspects of

the project, given that we're going to

be given that we're going to be putting

in a sidewalk on the western side,

one of the things that happens with the

curb line is is that the runoff kind of

hits the curb, so we need somewhere for

that water to go. And so, what we're

looking at doing is strategically

putting catch basins in along the

sidewalk side to be able to capture that

water and then, uh, drain that water

away from the road.

Um, on the opposite side of the road

from the sidewalk, um, we are proposing

to put in about a 2-ft wide shoul- gra-

gravel shoulder.

Um, and again, that's just to make sure

that there's appropriate width for the

road.

Um, on the water main side of the

project, uh, the project is currently

proposing to extend the existing water

main. Um, the existing water main goes

to, um, I I I forget the name of the

road. Um,

the existing water main goes to about,

you know,

I think it's like somewhere around 3 or

400 ft from where the, uh, stream

crossing is today. And so, effectively,

what will happen is is that the water

main will be extended, um, to provide

service all the way to the end of

Tedford Road, to the end of Tedford

>> Hemlock.

>> Hemlock, thank you. Just past Hemlock.

Um, and so, the proposed water line will

extend water all the way to the end. Um,

as far as what you may see on the

surface for that, the other thing that

the project is proposing to do is

replace all of the fire hydrants that

exist along Tedford Road, as well as,

um, adding some additional fire hydrants

in that area of main extension. Um, and

I guess the biggest note in the fire,

uh, fire hydrants is is that, um, our

current proposed, um, alignment with

those has the, um,

uh, fire hydrants behind the, um,

proposed, um,

sidewalk. So, basically what we'll be

doing is is taking the fire hydrants and

putting them on the opposite side of the

road where they exist today.

Um,

and I think that's the the the meat of

the project. Um, a couple of quick notes

on this. Um, the right of way on Tedford

Road today, um, is relatively narrow.

It's only It's a two-rod road, so it's

about 33 ft wide.

Um, and where we're proposing to put in

2-ft shoulder, 2 11-ft lanes, and a 5-ft

sidewalk, that takes up a lot of the

right of way.

So, as as the road gets One of the

reasons why the road needs to be

reconstructed is so that we can center

the sidewalk and the road within the

right of way. If we just simply kept the

road in exactly the same place it is,

the sidewalk would go over the right of

way. So, in some ways we're kind of

realigning the road a little bit. And

the other thing as far as proposed

conditions, we discussed drainage a

little bit. Um, one of the things that

we're looking at is trying to add a

little bit more grade to the road in

areas so that we can get

positive drainage along the curb lines,

so that again the road will drain

properly. And I know in existing

conditions today, there's a lot of

especially on the Middlesex side, um,

there's a lot of flat areas. So, what

that's leading to is is some of the some

of the divots and depressions you see in

the road. And then, um, I believe there

was some, uh, pavement work that's been

done over the past couple of years as

well, where that pavement breaks up. One

of the big reasons why that happens is

is water just sitting. So, um, as part

of this project, we looked to try to

improve the drainage along, uh, Tedford

Road to try to give that a more lasting,

uh, subbase.

>> And and part of that drainage work

includes an an underground storm drain

system. So, um, along along that

proposed curb line, we would have catch

basins and an underground storm drain.

Um, just we'll have it in along most of

the stretch of road. It's not quite

4,000 ft, but it's probably probably 3/4

of the road where we would have that.

Um, and just just due to the nature of

of adding a curb to an existing road,

uh we we have to include something to to

drain that

along the curb line as well. So, there

are we have plans up on the screen. We

have a hard copy a full-size hard copy

of of the draft plans here, and then we

also have

um

a larger scale

uh

blowup of the entire corridor that we're

looking at. Um each one of these plans

has some has a few different colors on

it um that that we just wanted to

highlight. So, anything blue would be

waterline, anything green would be the

proposed storm drain.

Um and then anything red is what what

we're looking at for um the proposed

limit of work for construction.

>> Couple of the things that may be of note

um is they've had some discussions with

the post office because some mailboxes

need to be moved, and the post office is

asking that all the all the mailboxes be

moved to the east side of the road, so

they'd be on the opposite side of the

road of the sidewalk.

Um and another interesting thing of note

is the railroad crossing. Um

we were anticipating or hoping that we

wouldn't have to rebuild it at the end

and save that money um because of the

fact that the state has approved the

railroad there to become a trail until

rail. Um however, when we reached out to

the state, the portion of DOT that deals

with the railroad tracks, um they were

not at all in favor of not replacing the

railroad tracks. Um they said they've

got someone that's proposing to lease

the railroad tracks. Um and it appears

that the lease is basically not to

really go anywhere.

Um but the tracks in Brunswick that go

up along Route 1 have been leased to a

company that has rail service to

Rockland, and they don't have enough

place to store their cars that aren't

being used. Um so, you may have noticed

when you take Route 1 through Brunswick

now over the highway, you see some

um cars in storage.

They're being the state's being asked to

lease this part of the railroad track uh

to store some of their cars. Uh so,

because they haven't made a decision

yet, um um, and I've asked whether

that's considered important enough just

to use it as storage that it could,

um,

defeat the trail.

They said, "Well, that's a good

question." and they're still thinking

about it, but they said, "We have an

obligation under federal law that

there's any possible chance it could

still be used for rail that we can't

allow the tracks to be taken up yet."

The good news is that they've offered to

pay for the the railroad rebuild. Um, so

the town wouldn't have to pay for that

part. So, I guess that shows how

committed they are. They want to keep

the tracks there.

Um, so what would happen is the tracks

would get pulled up as part of the

project and then the state would hire a

crew that would put the tracks back

together.

Um, the most, probably the biggest

inconvenience for anyone that lives

north of the railroad tracks is that be

about a 2-day period when you wouldn't

be able to cross the railroad tracks.

Um, so what we would do for that is

similar to what we did when we had to

build the culvert and the people north

of the culvert couldn't get there, is

would approach the owner of the

Highlands and asked if we could

temporarily use Audubon Way for 2 days

so people could get in and out of that

end. Um, in the past we traded the use

of Audubon Way for the grading of it and

he was more than happy to do it. So,

that's what we'd work on so that people

could still get back and forth to the

houses and we could get fire trucks and

whatever else.

Um, but we were happy to know at least

we wouldn't have to pay for the rebuild

of the railroad tracks. So, that will

save us a little money there.

Um, so what we'd like to do is take any

questions generally about this or

comments. Um, as we were walking down

the street, we had some people approach

us and they seemed quite anxious to have

this happen and,

um, but if you don't want this to happen

or if you do want it to happen,

feel free to step up to the mic. Just

say your name and address. Make a

comment and then once we've taken any

comments in general, um, we'll let the

group kind of devolve into looking at

the maps and these guys can answer

specific questions. You may ask, "Is my

tree going to be affected?" Or maybe you

want your tree affected and also that it

would get taken down.

Um,

so feel free to ask questions, things

like that whether regarding trees,

mailboxes like probably into the mailbox

part already but

and these guys can address your

questions and and

we're happy to discuss more. So, if

anyone like to make a ask a general

question or a comment, feel free to step

up to the microphone.

>> Go ahead. I have a question.

All the water once you get past the

railroad tracks

comes to the backside of my property and

comes to a broad and goes to the road.

Um

the

drainage system there and I

don't know who did it but the water

comes from What's the what's the road

past right in my I don't know what it is

but I don't know what it is. All that

water there. How are you going to

address cuz we have a ditch that runs

the whole length of our property?

>> Can you give your name and address just

so these guys can identify better?

>> [address].

>> And your name is?

>> We got We got that We got that cuz it

comes and then it turns and it goes

right down the road. It comes to all All

the water from out back there comes

right through our property.

>> Yeah, I

>> Once you put a

sidewalk there, we're going to lose that

ditch and I'm assuming you're going to

put a bulkhead catch basin in on my

property

the

>> Yeah, I'm familiar with which which

property that is. It's like a masonry

building and there's the ditch line that

comes down then follows the road and

there's a culvert that goes across.

>> All the water from out back down through

there.

>> Yeah, it sure does. So, yeah, we we've

actually been looking at that area

pretty intently trying to trying to work

that out.

And what we're proposing right now is is

that where your swale comes down and

then makes that 90. So, where it makes

that 90 degree now, what we'll propose

to do is is put a basically like a

culvert inlet at that point.

And then we'll have a the ditch line

that goes across along the road there.

What we're because to your point, the

sidewalk is basically going to kind of

come into that. So, rather than trying

to re-grade a swale and everything else,

what we're going to do is try to take

advantage of the low point, put a catch

basin in there with maybe like a a dome

top on it or something like that similar

to what you see on the on the southern

side of the railroad tracks on the

flatter areas. There's some There's some

yard drains. So, we would basically do

something similar to that. That would

then tie into the closed drainage

system. That closed drainage system will

then proceed down to the uh cul- to a

culvert crossing and empty out into the

um

into that pond area.

>> Mr.

>> [name], [address].

There are a lot of large pine trees

right next to that property and

all along the road.

Have you had an arborist come out or

anybody make sure when you adjust the

road, you're not going to deteriorate

Are you going to make sure you have

somebody double-check you're not going

to deteriorate the trees to the point

where they could fall on

our houses, neighbors' houses,

anything like that?

>> I'd be too explicit to answer your

question. No, we have not had an

arborist come out and and do that. Um

and we haven't um had a chance to assess

each individual tree.

Um

I I think that the

I I guess in consideration of that,

the trees that are very close to the

road, we're going to be looking at a

full box cut, that's what we would what

we would call it, which is basically

that we're going to go have to go

through because as Mark mentioned, the

road is kind of an older road which

never really had an appropriate subbase.

One of the parts of the reconstruction

of this road is is that we'd have to dig

down, you know, 2 to 3 ft and box cut

out that existing area, put back in um

appropriate materials to rebuild the

road back up. So, the impacts that we're

talking about along most of the road um

are relatively shallow in comparison to

to tree roots. Um so,

I

I I think that some of the larger trees

that are farther back from the road

should not be affected. Um I think the

the bigger question is the road the

trees that are directly on the road now

where we're going to be widening the

road, those Those ones that are probably

going to be affected and those are the

ones that we would look to probably take

down during the construction of it.

>> I I live across the street at [address], and they have a large pine right

on their side of the road at 87.

Uh

if the if the root system's disturbed,

my tree roots the only the taproot grows

deep. The rest of it's shallow. So, when

you disturb the root system of that

tree, it it can reach my house, and it

can reach my child's bedroom.

Um so, that's a major concern of mine.

Yeah, I don't want to have to spend

every night wondering if a tree's going

to crash on my children's bedroom. I now

I'm in favor of the project. I just want

to make sure that the safety of my house

is addressed as well.

>> I'd say use um tonight the the

once we kind of break up to them

call these guys' attention, the

particular trees. Um like for instance,

there's one in front of [name]'s that

when we were out walking the road,

there's a large one there that they

said, "Yeah, it'd probably be better to

be gone." And we talked to [name],

and he said, "Yeah, it'd be fine with me

if it came." So, if you've got trees

that you're particularly concerned about

that are near the road, call it to their

attention, and we can figure out how to

address it.

>> Um

[name], [address].

Does any part of this plan involve I

thought

in the past when they talked about this,

there was plans to like open the other

end of the road up.

Is that ever a plan to like alleviate

some of this traffic from

>> So, the owners of the Highland Highland

have come into our planning board

multiple times to get a plan approved

for a memory care facility that would be

on Audubon.

Um they have said at different points

that if they when they build that, they

would build the road similar to what

they did with what they used to call

Mountain Road, which is now the public

portion of K&M. So, you'd have a

multi-modal path on one side, and you'd

have the street in the other.

Um then they've said at that point, they

would like to propose to turn it over to

the town to become a town road.

Um

the town had a traffic study done

mid-2000s that said it would it would

like to have another way to get traffic

than going through the four corners at

196 and 201.

So, kind of the vision we've been

working on in pieces is to eventually

have a connection that goes from the

schools that the buses are already using

even though it's not public road yet. Um

but come up K&M uh the part that's

private and then get to the K&M part

that's public out to Village Drive.

Village Drive is now public uh and then

eventually have Audubon become public

and connect to Tedford. Um so, that's

kind of the long range but there's a

couple pieces that need to happen before

that.

One is the K&M piece

um needs to become built appropriately

to be a town road and then be accepted.

And then the second piece would be the

Audubon one. But see, the K&M would

probably happen before the Audubon one.

>> So, it's not in the plan though.

>> So, long-term plan but yet nothing in

the immediate future. Discussion.

>> Thank you.

>> Um I see

[name] who's the president of the

Topsham Trail Riders here. Can you guys

talk a minute about the the ideas that

we've got for dealing with where the ATV

trail in the area of the river tracks?

You want to show that section and talk

about it?

>> I have a question on that lease.

>> The lease?

>> Yeah, the lease that they're going to

Who Who are these people that coming in

and going to store cars out there by the

Tedford road on the railroad track?

>> It's the the Whoever the company is

that's leasing the Rockland to Brunswick

piece of the railroad tracks.

>> Okay.

>> They're currently storing cars on the

piece of the railroad tracks that is

basically between Route 1 and what they

used to call Hobo Junction.

>> So, the

Brunswick

>> Right now, they're currently storing

there but they've asked for a lease so

they could back cars further up

basically to come as far as the Cathance

Road sidings.

>> Well, that's just funny you use that

word hobo because I'm thinking of

storing cars and we've got a lot of

people walking up down Tedford Road.

Now, now we have that connection going

up into the Highlands.

The

concern of mine would be who's who's

going to monitor this? Are they going to

be locked? Is it going to be hazardous

material in them? What what could What

What's the rules this company Can they

store anything they want in these cars?

You know?

>> I think they're empty cars, but

at this point the state hasn't granted

them the lease. So, I don't really know

any details on that part. I mean, to be

honest and

[name] has heard from me before, my

hope was we could actually take the

trestle down um that's on Elm Street

because we've got an 18-in sidewalk on

Elm Street um and no bike lane. Uh so,

what we would do is working on pieces of

a master plan, it would be nice to be

able to take down the trestle at Elm

Street and then if Thompson were to be

involved in the the first section of

this um trail over the railroad tracks

would go from Elm Street to Tedford Road

um and you'd kind of go in a decline

from Tedford Road to Elm Street so that

you could bring the traffic or the

pedestrian and bike traffic or the trail

traffic down to Elm Street level so then

people could get onto the Androscoggin

River bike path and cross over the

Merrymeeting Bridge. Um but the state

right now is reluctant to listen to me

too much because they've said as long as

they've got a trestle that still could

hold a train, they don't want to have it

removed. Um

so, but uh you know, things may change.

They haven't made any final decisions.

That's what I'm lobbying for is to try

to get permission that we could get rid

of that trestle um but as of yet this

because of this proposed lease, the

state hasn't been to the point that they

want to say we don't want uh

we'll let you take the tracks up.

>> Well, no, no, that the state doesn't

live down there either, but I'm just

saying. You know, that I'd rather keep

it on the budget side so I'm on the

southern bottom.

>> That

>> You don't know what this company is

going to bring those railroad cars and

>> And Thompson is not asking to have

railroad cars.

>> And they're going to have hazardous

material stored right there. And the

state giving them the license and we

won't be there.

But that doesn't We don't okay it. We

have no

>> role in that. It's the the state geo

Yeah, exactly.

>> It's a state decision.

>> I'm asking for to them to consider

letting us It first was just not to put

the tracks back in crossing Tedford

Road.

And then the next piece would be for

them to consider letting us

take down the trestle and build that as

the first piece of you know the rail

trail.

>> And how long would that be speed for?

Lifetime or

>> I doubt it. Again, it's not with us.

It's with the state. But usually there's

a period of years and usually the

railroad eventually goes bankrupt and

then

you know at least the Brunswick to

Rockland Railroad seemed to go bankrupt.

They only last a few years and then

>> Yeah, it seems like we got some

questions on that now.

>> The

the cement plant is closing and it looks

like I think the cars that I see at

least over the railroad tracks are ones

that would carry cement stuff. So if

this once the cement plant is done, that

may negate some of that desire anyway.

But we have we have no ability to

approve the lease.

We're actually again at trying not to

get the lease there.

>> You're trying not to let that happen.

>> Right.

>> Okay.

>> Cuz cuz I would like to see the trestle

go away so that we could make Elm Street

better and then have a nice bike

pedestrian connection from Elm Street to

Tedford Road.

>> May we end?

>> Hi.

Are you done?

>> Yeah, one more comment on that.

It was my interpretation also that the

actual car storage was going to be

further up from like Madeline Drive to

Camden Road where it's a double set of

tracks.

I wouldn't foresee them storing anything

on the the the line cuz it'd keep them

from making those. That was my

interpretation.

>> Yeah, it's a it's

you know certainly opens up a a big path

for anybody. I don't know what the lease

lease looks like or what it's going to

say but

>> We don't even You know, it's

>> But there is a double set of little

known double set of tracks.

>> Yeah.

>> A little bit further up

>> They're talking headed up

>> headed towards Camden Road.

>> Yeah, yeah. Camden and then

mile and then you know, where it crosses

over there.

>> Pass that too. Pass that.

>> I don't understand.

>> Yeah, it actually is

it's funny it goes past Cat ants but in

on Cat intro the double set is down to

single.

>> Which is close.

>> Yeah, so it's like double single double.

>> Well, I like your idea Mr. Manager.

>> No, it's not.

>> I just learned that I got a plus from

the bike ped committee and as long as

you're talking about bike pads.

Wouldn't it make sense

to try and put bike lanes on this road?

>> No.

>> Yeah, um

it would be great to be able to include

that if we could. Unfortunately,

the width of the right away just won't

allow it. Um we we have the the right

away that goes along Tedford Road right

now is defined as a two two rod road

which is effectively 33 ft wide.

Um and so when you have the two 11 ft

travel lanes and then the 5 ft sidewalk,

that effectively takes up most of the

right away as it is. So, unfortunately

for Tedford Road, it's not a great fit

only because there just isn't the real

estate there to support that many lanes

all the way across.

>> And my other question is the sidewalk,

is there any space between the road and

the sidewalk?

>> Oh, and again, just given the width of

the road, it it's going to basically be

a curb and sidewalk. So, there won't be

a there won't be room for an esplanade

in between the sidewalk and the and the

driveway.

>> I just most roads are third three or

three rods wide or or 50 ft. So, this is

a little bit unique or it's a very old

road. It's it's it's very narrow, you

know, it's it's 17 ft narrower than a

than a typical road.

So, we just we don't have room to do

anything within that right away beyond

reconstructing the road and just

building a new sidewalk.

>> [clears throat]

>> Well, my name is [name] and I live at [address].

Myself and the neighbor on either side

of me is willing to give up land in

order to have a green strip. But if the

lady was willing to ask for it.

Is that possible?

>> If you wanted to give up Well, let me

qualify that.

You probably couldn't give it up as long

as you You need to have enough setback.

You know, moving the property line. Um

but it doesn't do us too much good just

to have two houses that want to would

need

>> but then I know that's still a small

number.

>> So, yes, it is certainly possible to

give the town land or an easement to go

on your land if you wanted.

Um

but unless we could do that for a big

chunk of the road would

doesn't really help us widen the road.

The other problem we've got is where the

CMP poles are.

Um the sidewalk's going to be basically

right up against the CMP poles and we

don't want to have to move poles cuz

we'll add hundreds of thousands of

dollars to the project. So, we're trying

to use the poles where they are.

>> Okay, thank you.

With the back center siding up to the

poles?

>> Yeah.

>> [name], [address].

I was wondering uh how you anticipate

the road

looking when you're done. You Could you

talk in drains on west side?

And I know now when I wash my wash a

vehicle in my yard,

the water runs to the road and clay to

the corner.

So, is the road elevation going to be

pitched

to the west and lower or is it going to

be

How is it going to take care of

In the winter, it freezes from my house

to the corner.

>> Yeah, and Steve, if you could bring up

the profile on that beginning

uh um yeah. So, yeah, we we've taken a

look at the of the running slope of the

road, if you will, so the grade that

runs, you know, along it. Um and that

that first section of Tedford Road is

very flat. Um typically,

you know,

typically you'd like to see

well, I won't throw numbers out there,

but

given how flat it is, that's one of the

that's one of the issues leading to some

of the the drainage concerns or the

drainage problems that you're seeing out

there today. So,

one of the things that we're trying to

do with this road reconstruction is to

add some pitch to the road. Now, of

course, we can't add a ton because we

just have to raise the road up, you

know, those impacts have to go off. So,

we're trying to balance, you know,

keeping the road within the right-of-way

and keeping the impacts to a minimum,

but still provide enough pitch in the

road to to be able to drain. So, in that

beginning section, we're looking at

about 1/2%, which, you know, to be quite

frank with you, is still a pretty flat

road, but at least it gives it some

improvement over um how conditions are

out there today.

In your specific area, the storm water

is still in the runoff is still going to

run in the same direction,

um and it'll still go to Middlesex to

drain.

Um but again, adding some pitch to the

road, we expect there will be some

improvement on letting that water run

instead of it having it slow down or not

even move.

Um

>> Cuz there was some talk about putting a

catch basin

or catch basins on that side

to take care of that.

Cuz we talked about tying into the end

of the road.

But that was explained that that's a

state road

versus Tedford Road

drainage.

>> Right. And to be frank with you, it's a

great it's a great comment and something

that we can look into a little bit more

to see if it's appropriate to put some

catch basins on the non-sidewalk side.

Um

but again, you know, I

for the non-sidewalk side, most of the

drainage on that is going to remain

relatively close to how it is today. Um

again, what we're trying to do is we're

trying to make sure that there's enough

pitch in the road so so can sheet it

appropriately so that it won't stagnate

on the road. So, if you get trying to

minimize the icing conditions and that

sort of thing.

>> Is that the only thing

in my driveway, even if it does drain to

the other side of the road, it's going

to run across the road, you know.

>> Well, right. And we wouldn't do that,

either. We're proposing to have a

And that's kind of part of road

reconstruction, as well, is putting a

crown back in the road. Um in the some

areas of the road that are just really

flat and just kind of really beat up,

you know. So,

that's one of the other other things is

trying to put a crown in the road going,

you know, kind of across it, so that the

water will sheet off, and then putting

pitch in the road, so then the water

will run. Um and so, as part of

reconstruction, the the curb lines or

gutter lines will be better defined, so

that that water will run away from the

road and run along the edges instead of

down the middle.

>> Yeah.

I know on the plans, it says possible

impact. I have two pine trees and a

chain link fence.

Do you anticipate that that's going to

be

We're going to cut those trees, and I

was asking you earlier if you'd move the

fence back or

what would happen there?

>> Yeah, if if the fence if the fence

doesn't, in fact, need to be impacted,

then the fence would get replaced or

pushed back, depending on on what the

configuration of the fence would be.

On trees, again, we'll have to look at

that on a on a case-by-case basis. Um

I I'll say this off the top that the

trees that are very close to the road, I

think it would be in most people's best

interest to have them taken down, if if

if there is if if that's amenable.

>> Right.

>> Um we could try to work around trees to

the best of our ability,

but again, discussing the box cut and

the shallow roots that were discussed as

as well,

you know, there's a risk to keeping some

of those larger trees. So, the the more

trees that we could take down as part of

this, I think the safer that the road

will be and, you know, less problems

will be in the future.

>> Yeah.

>> I had a question to add to that. We're

[address] on the gangs where you have

that long run

of trees at the end of the Tedford Road.

So we have all those trees going to the

culvert.

>> You're on the forested side of the

>> Yes. So I know I don't know how far

you're [clears throat] going to go back,

but do you foresee a lot of those trees

having to come down cuz a lot of them

are really close to the road.

>> Yeah, I know I know which section you're

talking about. So that's really between

the culvert crossing and kind of the the

first houses. So it's a really wooded

area.

Um I think that that section will see

some trees taken down.

Um

we don't anticipate going very far from

the existing edge of of road on that

side where the you know where the where

the sidewalk isn't going. Um so you

know, I would say one or maybe two trees

back would be would be about what we

would expect.

>> Okay. And the other thing we wanted to

ask is with with you bringing the water

up the road, most of us, you know, we

have wells. What is going to be the cost

for us if we wanted to tap into the

water?

>> Yeah. Um so

>> Well, on the west side you're going to

have you're going to have the sidewalk

there and you have to defend where you

you don't tie in prior to the sidewalk.

>> Yeah. And and

so some of this will have to be

discussed with um Brunswick and Topsham

Water District, but I what we had talked

with TC about is that

um

possibly we could

we could [sighs] we could we could work

something out where the contractor

that's doing the work

puts in the services at a cost to the

homeowner. Um the alternative to that

would be while the work is going on, you

know, before the surface pavement is

down, um each individual property owner

that that would like a service hires a

contractor to tap into the main and and

and bring a service in into their into

their property. So

um the the idea with extending the main

would be to, you know, for the the the

people that live along that stretch the

ability to to tie into public water,

but it would be at those individuals

costs at least in terms of tapping in a

a service.

>> We will be losing benefits on the path

fee.

>> I I can't speak for the water district,

so I those those are things that we'll

probably have to figure out later on

just in terms of how how that gets how

that gets paid for.

>> Cuz we're getting charged for water that

we're not using for the past how long?

>> Sewer, too.

>> Well, that's probably what we

>> 15 years.

>> 15 years and sewer.

>> That we don't even use.

>> have We don't have We don't have the

service.

>> We don't have the service.

>> They they put in the sewer and

>> After the railroad tracks.

>> And they put in the water. And they they

made us pay a minimum fee for the last

five or six dollars we ever had water.

>> So, have you bought that?

>> We yes, we've all

>> on it.

>> I think we're going to have to do it

about it.

>> I don't think we need to be fine.

>> I don't

>> Those people should have some kind of we

were hoping to get some kind of stipe on

the path fee, you know, because we've

been paying for something that we

haven't used forever.

>> So, you've been paying for water even

though you can't get it?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah, and sewer, too.

>> It's It's a sewer

>> Well, the sewer line does go by there,

so that makes sense.

>> It's the sewer fee that we pay, but

everybody else on the Tedford Road

We don't have any water meters to to get

that. And we've been paying a water fee.

We only get just the sewer line. That's

it.

>> They And but they charge us a flat fee

because that's how we get our water.

>> That's that's part of the reason they

joined in this project cuz they want to

put a water line there.

>> Exactly. I mean, I'd like to and run it

up there.

>> We'd like to tap into it.

>> Right.

>> I don't want to pay three bucks cuz I've

already paid three thousand bucks for

something I haven't used.

>> Well, the the water district and the

sewer district are two different

entities. So, if you've been paying if

the sewer line goes in front of your

house and you don't join in, yes, I do

believe you end up paying just because

it goes by your house.

Um hopefully you haven't been paying a

water fee yet in that area cuz if there

isn't a water line to tap into then

>> You have to meet a stranded. You have to

meet a the water to get the sewer bill.

That's what they mean and this is

>> What I can tell you what we will do is

I'll pass along to the water district

engineer that there's people here

tonight that are interested in knowing

more about how the connection water

would go and um, maybe they'll do like a

mailing or something or we could put

something on our website with the

answers.

>> I don't think anybody is against

the water coming down there.

It would just be nice like you said

to get something for your for your, you

know, 15 years of paying.

The money you've been paying for

nothing.

>> Yeah, and again, I'll have to leave that

to defer to the water district cuz

that's up to their policies, management,

their laws, which I'm not actually up on

those.

>> Um, just one other quick question. Um,

with moving the mailboxes to the other

side

is that are you going to tell us where

they're going to put them along that

tree line cuz there's going to be you

have like you know there's a bunch of

trees there that is a brutal system.

It's kind of brutal there to bring those

mailboxes across.

Are you going to state where they need

to go or are we just going to talk with

our neighbors and figure it out?

>> That's a that's a great question. I

>> a wooded area there. There's there's

nothing out there as you know on 149 so

yeah, at the end.

>> And I heard the same thing. I heard that

you you guys are going to pay to have

the mailboxes put in just like the

hydrants, the new hydrants. I heard you

guys are going to take care of

mailboxes. Is that true? I don't know.

>> If we're making the mailbox be moved,

it's likely we would make that be part

of the project.

>> You would. Okay.

>> And um

Sorry.

>> No, go ahead.

>> Yeah, I guess I'm just going to answer

your question and I think

part of this

part of part of the answer with the

mailboxes is is some of this will likely

have to be done kind of during

construction with the contractor working

with you when we have to relocate those

mailboxes and and field fit the best

location for those, you know, both from

a vegetation perspective, but also

safety perspective. Um so, we'll we'll

have we'll place holders on the plans.

Uh the contractor would be responsible

for for relocating the mailboxes, but

um we'll we'll probably just need to be

a little bit cautious about that during

construction and make sure they get put

in the place that's that's safest for

for, you know, whoever needs to walk

across the road to to pick up their

mail.

>> I think the biggest thing is is like on

our end down there it's the vegetation

as you saw is really super thick.

>> Yeah.

>> You're going to have to remove a lot of

vegetation to put a mailbox.

Possibly.

>> Yeah. Yeah, the

Sure. And these these will still be

close to the road, maybe the idea is

that, you know, there we have a shoulder

on that side and they're they're going

to want to put they're going to want to

pull up and be be able to put the mail

in. So, we're not going to be setting

these back really far. They'll still be

pretty close to the road. Um so, I I you

know, we we would have we would avoid as

much vegetation disturbance as possible

with, you know, with where we're

locating the mailboxes.

>> When we were walking the street last

week, we got nervous that we were going

to have to move a cemetery. Cuz

there was there was a house just before

that wooded stretch that had a cemetery

by their mailbox.

>> Yeah.

>> Good news is it wasn't real. So, it

wasn't it was that just a decoration.

>> Yeah, we were worried about that, too.

Like if we had to if we had to move all

that stuff back that we have there, but

I think it's far enough back, but we can

talk about that.

>> Yeah. No, as I said, on that side of the

road it's pretty much the back of the

pavement. It's not going much past that

where our car leaves is.

>> We have a question.

>> Where do you guys Where's the outlet for

the storm drain?

>> Um that's a great question. Yeah,

there's there's a few. Um so, for the

beginning of Tedford Road, again, the

flat area, kind of, you know, south of

the railroad tracks, there's already

existing catch basins

that are along the road. And so, for the

majority of those, the intent is is that

we're going to be using the existing

drain outlets for those. So, really what

we would do is is that we'd have to

replace the basins themselves just to

align them better with where the

proposed curbs will be, but the outlets

for those will all be the same.

For the area north of the railroad

tracks, um, we are looking at proposing

a new outfall that's basically going to

be in the same area, um, as the riprap

for the cross the the riprap is the

stone that that, um, lines the that new

crossing. And so, what we would look to

do is is to bring the stormwater from

the about from where the railroad tracks

are, bring that north, and then outlet

it out the bank that way.

>> So, are you going to have some provision

to make sure that that water doesn't

contaminate the farm water crop

on my own farm land?

Cuz that's what's going to end up cuz

that's it's going to go right down

through our farm.

And that that water is used.

>> We are not proposing any treatment for

the stormwater as part of this project.

>> To make sure it's not contaminated?

>> It always gets contaminated.

>> Right. Roads all come close. People

throw trash everywhere.

>> Yeah, what is the law on that? You can

just run a storm drain any way you want,

just dump it? Is that what you're saying

to us?

>> But, for municipal projects, treatment

is not required. Correct.

>> And the water's probably [clears throat]

going to end up in that same stream down

there anyway. It's just it will be more

organized how it gets there.

>> Well, there used to be a beautiful pond

there.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean I mean the the the structures

that we'll build, they'll have they'll

have sumps in them that are that are

designed to, you know, take a lot of

large debris.

>> Right. You're going to have a sediment

grease trap type of thing.

>> Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's

there there is some level of treatment

just just through the nature of of how

the the underground structures are

designed.

>> They actually had designed when they did

the culvert, they intentionally designed

that to drain the pond because we were

damaging people's wells because when we

get a big storm event, not enough water

could get underneath the the road. So,

the intent They wanted it with the more

frequent rains and higher rain amounts

and stuff, they wanted to make sure they

could get the water down the stream. So,

that was intentionally drained. Um

wasn't an accident that the pond went

away.

Okay.

Um can you take a minute talking about

what the ideas for the ATB trail?

>> Oh, yes. Um so, uh the uh

at the railroad crossing, there's a uh

there's an ATB trail that kind of comes

down on one side of the railroad tracks,

crosses the railroad tracks, runs along

the shoulder line, and then goes across

down the power lines.

Um so, as part of this design, um we are

incorporating a um

what what's called a tip-down, which is

basically just like when you have a

sidewalk that comes to a driveway or to

a road, uh the sidewalk tips down, and

then kind of runs at grade along the

road. So, what we're proposing is is

that effectively opposite where the uh

trail goes up the um

um along the power lines, we're going to

have an 8-ft wide area that will allow

for at grade crossings there. So,

snowmobiles, ATVs won't have to ride up

the curb

to get to the back of the sidewalk.

There'll be a depressed area where they

can cross there. Then they can ride

along the edge of the sidewalk and then

rejoin up with the existing trail.

>> So, currently the trail

they kind of

they come in drive, go along the side of

the road, and then get this way. So, the

thought is

the sidewalk is going to end has to be

at least 12 ft from the railroad tracks

under the for the railroad rules. And

then things will be at grade until you

get 12 ft after. The sidewalk will start

again. The ATVs will be on the back of

the sidewalk until there's a place they

can cross perpendicular to the trail. Um

And we're probably started talking to

CMP, and it looks like they will be fine

with that. Um so it keeps the ATV

traffic from having to go along the

road. It will so they'll just cross it

perpendicularly.

>> In in that same area that's it's

probably worth noting too as far as the

the sidewalks and and tip downs is that

there's there's a trail that's that

comes out right there but there's also

an existing gravel road that kind of

creates a little triangle there. So the

sidewalk will still respect that. So the

sidewalk tip downs will be on the other

side of that gravel drive. So the gravel

drive and the trail will still have

access through them.

>> Looks like there's a question in the

text.

Does the current plan take into account

bicyclists who may be traveling on

Tedford Road?

>> And I believe we've already answered

that question earlier but unfortunately

given the the narrow width of the

right-of-way and the need for

11-ft lanes and a sidewalk,

we just don't have available

right-of-way to be able to include

dedicated bike lanes.

>> But sharrows are a possibility, right?

>> Sharrows?

>> You know the the sergeant

>> Oh, right. Oh, right. Um

I I think that's Yeah, that I think that

could be something that could be

incorporated into it but it would

certainly be a shared lane rather than a

dedicated bike lane.

>> And there's also

I think we talked this 2 years ago that

if someone wanted if child's riding a

bike on the sidewalk, the police

department isn't going to have a problem

with that.

>> We're not going to have a problem with

that. So they're allowed allowed on the

sidewalk. Okay.

>> Yes.

>> Um [name], Bicycle Pedestrian

Committee. Um I have two related

questions. One is about the long-term

traffic plan.

Mark, you talked about that a little

bit. Could you just maybe say a little

bit more about the long-term traffic

plan? And then the second question is

regarding current traffic volumes on the

road.

Um do current traffic volumes

necessitate two 11-ft lanes?

That's the That's the second question.

Uh

so, for the first one, what I've talked

about is pieces that could be put

together, you know, hopefully to

eventually get this connection that goes

from the schools out to Middlesex Road

using Tedford Road, Kittery and Village

Drive.

Um at this point,

the Audubon piece is just that, you

know, it's just an idea. Hopefully, we

can make that happen.

Um

the what it certainly isn't going to

happen until such time as Highland Green

decides to build a memory care facility

and upgrade Audubon.

Um in the Kittery and that's still a

private piece of Kittery and

uh

between the top of the Everett Hill and

Republic that isn't public. Uh

so, [clears throat] I can't tell you

what day any of this would come to

fruition because it's things we'd like

to make happen, but there's nothing in

place. Um I'll let you guys answer the

second part of what you're asking.

>> So, would part of that plan be like

when when all that comes to pass to

route school buses, etc. through that

route? Is that the idea?

>> I doubt the schools would ever want, you

know, other than maybe a school bus to

go to Tedford Road if that all came to

pass. They might decide to do that. But

all the buses that they've got right now

going up Kittery and down Village Drive

to take advantage of the lights to get

on 201 to go to Harpswell or something,

I'm sure they wouldn't want to bring

those up Audubon. There wouldn't be a

reason to.

Um your second question was about

>> lane width compared to traffic volume.

>> So, so yeah, I'm I'm wondering if if the

current traffic volume necessitates 2

11-ft lanes.

>> Yes. Well, so the 11-ft lanes that we're

proposing here actually um mimic the

existing conditions on Tedford Road. So,

that's about That's about what we have

right now. It's about a 22-ft wide road.

So, what we're trying to do is replicate

those those conditions and not make

things um

and try to at least maintain the same

amount of traffic um

uh

traffic conditions that we would have

out there today.

>> And this would have a

This would have a uh yellow center line.

>> Yes, that would. Yes.

>> So, for example, in on Green Street in

Topsail,

we have a lane or excuse me, an old road

similar width with no center line and

we've got a painted

sidewalk/bike lane on one side. I'm

wondering if something like that Do you

need a center line? Could you buy

yourself some space on the sides by

getting rid of the center line?

And then maybe you don't need the

sidewalk because by

the traffic volume on the road currently

is fairly low by

by road standards, could you get away

without doing the sidewalk and having an

at-grade facility for both bicyclists

and pedestrians?

>> Well, it's a good

>> There's enough foot traffic on that road

right now that you do need a sidewalk.

I mean,

I think about that. We need a sidewalk.

I see people with carriages and kids.

>> Yeah, we

>> Going up and down that road again.

Get off the road or there's someone's

wall and protect themselves. We really

need that sidewalk. The traffic is on

the one on the opposite side of the road

to get away from us while we're trying

to walk.

>> It's Green Street is far from a safe

street

It's a very difficult situation, but I'm

just leaving the plan as it is and

that's my preferred situation.

>> Eventually, the sidewalk but from the

other side of the road.

If that bank had just came down with

>> Maybe I'll do a quick survey. Raise your

hand if you're in the room and you live

on Tedford Road or one of the roads off

of it.

Put your hand down if you would rather

not have a sidewalk.

If you'd rather not have a sidewalk, put

your hand down.

Okay.

>> If you want a sidewalk

>> If you want it

If you live on Tedford Road and you want

a sidewalk, keep your hand up.

And then, if you live on Next Question,

but my general sense is that people that

live on the road want a sidewalk.

Next question, right again, put your

hand up if you live on Tedford Road.

Raise your hand if you would rather have

a

road without a yellow center line.

I'm sorry, put your hand down if you'd

rather have a road without a yellow

center line.

All right.

So, from my my informal survey, it

appears of the Tedford Road residents

here tonight, there's a general

consensus that people would like the

sidewalk, and they would like the yellow

center line.

Steve actually can address the daily

traffic.

>> Just in case any of you are wondering

about your daily traffic, we've done

three studies in the last year out there

for traffic and speed, and you average

Well, we did one last November, you

average 901 cars a day out there. We did

another week in March, and it was 883

cars daily. And then we did one in July,

it was 968. So, you're just under 1,000

cars

>> How many speeding tickets did get

written?

>> I'm sorry, what?

>> How many speeding tickets did get

written?

>> Well, we didn't

So, when we do the surveys like this,

we're putting boxes out there that

they don't stand out, they just

Let me explain this real quick. In the

past, before we had these traffic survey

boxes, we used to put the trailer out

there, the big trailer that has the sign

to tell people what their speed is. Now,

the problem with that is I don't think,

and it kind of proved, we don't get

accurate numbers with that, because

somebody pulls onto the road, they see

the sign, and everybody slows down. So,

since in the last two years Well, last

fall, we bought these small white

innocuous boxes. You don't even really

notice they don't get noticed by people.

We can put them up on a pole

and it just sits there and counts

traffic and counts speed. So, we've been

using those for the last year in town.

So, it gives us a better idea of what

the average traffic is going on the

road. So, if you'd like to know, I can

tell you real quick. We've done three

studies. 85% of the cars last November

were going 34 or less. Uh we did a study

in March. 85% again were going 34 or

less. We did one in July, they were

going 33 or less. Half the cars

>> It's 25.

>> I'm sorry?

>> They were all speeding but it's 25. I've

called multiple times but the people are

just flying down the road. I feel like

there's more control there. I've offered

for

police to sit in my driveway.

>> I told you.

>> Please, by all means.

>> Yeah, we've done 11 studies. We've We've

done 11 enforcement details out there

and when we're out there, we're not

getting

we're not getting the speeders.

>> I live on [address]. I have a

fence. So, just sit right there.

Guaranteed

you'll get a lot of people.

>> Well, I don't I'll tell you to be

perfectly honest. We generally don't

write I mean, yes, 1 or 2 or 5 mph is

speeding but we don't write people

summonses for that.

>> Well, they must have been tipped around

because you haven't caught the dragsters

yet.

>> Yeah, no. I mean simple fact is the

people are warning each other when we're

out there. There's only so much we can

do. We put the boxes out there, they

show

that you know, 85 are going 9 over or

less. But when we go out there, nobody's

doing it. Two years ago when we had this

meeting,

there was quite a bit of comment about

speeding. We spent 7 hours over the next

2 months out there. We got a car at 34,

we got a car at 35, one at 38, 37. So,

the simple fact is we're going out there

but you know, people give each other

lights. We don't

We're not getting it when we're out

there. There's only so much we can do. I

hear you.

>> That's one reason why I was asking about

the trees in front of my house and that

chain link fence.

Cuz I understand that was

Those trees were planted and the fence

was put there when a car came out of the

old Rusty's probably sideways and hit

the house.

>> I mean I I hear what

Again, we're getting most of cars are 9

over or less. And when we go out there,

we're not getting them. So

>> Yeah.

>> You know, we do.

>> You got to hide though.

>> Well, you know, people always tell us

that. The problem is the science of

radar. We need to have a straight shot

to get them. We can't be up somebody's

driveway and have a car go by and get

it. It's just radar doesn't work.

>> You can come sit by my mailbox cuz every

time I go to get my mail, there's people

going down the road at least 40, 50.

>> Going to the cul-de-sac.

>> Cul-de-sac.

>> Yeah, and again, when we go out

we're not getting it. Everybody's

warning each other and

I'm sure what

>> the information along. Car's sitting out

there, so they slow down.

>> You can use a white car.

You can sit in a white car with your

radar.

>> [laughter]

>> Other questions?

Yes.

In years and years we've been talking

about connecting the Highlands from the

end of the after growth and they brought

down the sewer and brought down the

water and drained the pond and

everything else. So they're all set up

that way.

Do you have any

you know, future

prediction when that is going to be

connected? I know there was a process

This has been going on for I've been

hearing about it 10, 15

>> That's what I was talking about earlier

in the meeting. But it won't happen

until they build that memory care

facility.

And they

The Highlands is trying to be or

Highland Green I should say

is trying to be or wants to be full

service. So you could go from

independent living to assisted living to

and then there's memory care facility.

That's what's proposed for Audubon.

They've come in They have to come in to

keep getting their permits renewed cuz

they It's all been permitted, but then

they don't build it. So, they got to

come in in 6 months or a year to get

permits renewed. They've been doing that

for years.

Um so, at this point there's no firm

date when they would

uh build that facility. So, there's no

firm date when they would finish

Audubon.

>> Okay.

Yeah, that particular subject was talked

about back when they put the big

neighborhood down there.

>> Yeah.

>> Because and that became evident this

past week. They had a head-on collision

uh down by Rusty's

and all the traffic had to go through

either Rusty's yard or make their way

through the accident scene.

>> Yeah, they've been When we've needed

them, you know, to help us out with the

connection, they've been willing as I

mentioned when we did the culvert work

and I know they would work with us on

the railroad piece.

Um but

the town doesn't want to build that

road. You know, so we're basically

waiting for them to do their memory care

facility then they would build it to

town specs and then we could accept it.

>> Right.

>> I have a quick question. Um I'm sorry

for being late earlier. Uh question,

could you speak to the timeline wise?

Like is this a a

5 year down the road? Is this like we're

starting July of next year? Again, my

apologies for being late if this was

already

>> No worries. Um

it'll It's all going to depend on the

final budget numbers that come in and

then planning is the budget goes through

this spring. But the hope is to have it

summer of 2028 would be the project.

Sorry, 2027.

I'm getting my years confused. Fiscal

year 28, which is

>> How long do you estimate it would take

to do the project?

>> Um

It's a big question.

>> It would be mostly solid.

>> Yeah, I I I would say so. Like, you

know, probably 3 4 months.

>> Okay.

>> Thank you.

>> Other questions?

Any more online? Or

I know.

>> I have one more for me.

Uh

when the past

uh

road commissioner was here,

he told me that we could still keep our

mailboxes on our side of the road. And

I'm wondering what changed that.

>> Postmaster.

The post The Brunswick postmaster's in

charge of all the rural delivery. And

when these guys contacted him, he said

they could probably leave your box, but

they all have to be moved to the side of

the road. Correct?

>> Correct.

He said they he had a place where he was

doing it right now

that they had some place where the

mailboxes were staying on the sidewalk

side. So, he says, "[name], you won't have

a problem. You'll still be able to have

your mailbox on your side of the road."

>> I I think what's happened is is you've

all seen the stories on TV about people

aren't getting their mail.

Um or the post office can't find enough

workers. And so, I think they're using

this as an opportunity to try to make

their mail more efficient on Tedford

Road cuz it's certainly easier for them

to deliver all the mail on one side of

the street. Um so,

>> That doesn't make sense to me because

they got to come back down our road. So,

as many stops as they have, they're

going to have that same amount of

>> Yeah, but now they

>> They got to go in two directions

>> Now there's a sidewalk in the way so

they can't They They have that They have

that gap between the road

Yeah.

>> No, they told They told me that it it

could be done with the sidewalk and my

mailbox could still be on the edge of

the road.

>> Yeah, they changed that.

>> They hadn't changed it.

>> Cuz believe me, we'd rather not move it

if we didn't have to cuz it costs us

more money to move the mailboxes.

>> There's a There's a method through the

postal service where you can put in a

hardship and you can try to get them

forced to hand deliver your mail to If

you have an issue, you can make a

complaint to the post I'm just letting

you know that

>> I don't like that.

>> Thank you.

>> Any other questions?

Um if no other questions, what we'll do

is we'll stop the recorded portion,

large group portion of the meeting, and

you're free to look at any of the

drawings and if you have particular

trees you want to call to these guys

attention, feel free to do that or any

other issues you want to call their

attention and uh

we'll

move on to that now.

>> We brought a bunch of cookies, too, so

please take some.

Otherwise, the chief's going to have

them all himself.

>> I think he already ate all of them.

>> All right.