2026-10-20 - City Council

00:09My son.

00:14Right

00:14Thank you, Tony.

00:20Thank you.

00:26Oh yeah.

00:27OK.

00:36I

00:37Mhm

00:40Of

00:46you

00:47That's like.

00:510.

00:57And

01:01Yeah.

01:04May

01:04The chair will call the October

01:0620, 2026 meeting of the City

01:08council to order. Please rise

01:10for the Pledge of Allegiance.

01:12I pledge allegiance.

01:13the flag.

01:15United States of America.

01:18And see the republic for which

01:18it stands.

01:21One nation under God.

01:23Indivisible with liberty and

01:25justice for all.

01:28Clerk Redpath, can you please

01:29call the roll?

01:30Ma'am.

01:35Alderman Cox Haldeman Gregory

01:36Alderman Williams Alderman

01:38Rockford.

01:39All women purchase all the women

01:43Nerio Alderman Alderman Carlson

01:45Alderwoman Connley present. Alma

01:47Donlan Oman Hanna Mayor Busher

01:50present Mayor present Mayor En,

01:50thank you, Clerk.

01:52Uh, civility pledge in the

01:53interest of civility, I pledge

01:54to promote civility by listening

01:56, being respectful of others,

01:57acknowledging that we are all

01:58striving to support and improve

02:00our community and understanding

02:02that we each may have different

02:03ideas for achieving that

02:05objective.

02:05There are no proclamations or

02:07presentations this evening, but

02:07the chair will entertain a

02:09motion to reassess the regular

02:10meeting of the City council for

02:12the purpose of holding an

02:14executive session pursuant to

02:162C21 for the discussion of

02:18minutes.

02:18I have a motion to second. All

02:19those in favor. Aye. All those

02:21opposed, nay. The ayes have it.

02:22We will go into exec session.

03:11I

03:11In and out.

03:17right.

03:17That's what it means.

03:21Right.

03:28Thank you.

03:28I got pretty quick, so.

03:31All that.

03:33I don't know.

03:35So.

03:37The

03:38Yeah.

03:40Oh, that was the chair will

03:41entertain a motion to adjourn

03:43the exec session and reconvene

03:45the their regular meeting of the

03:46city council I have a motion to

03:48second any discussion. All those

03:49in favor say aye. Those opposed?

03:51Nay, the ayes have it. After a

03:53review of the closed session

03:55minutes determination has been

03:56made that the need for

03:57confidentiality still exists on

03:58the minute, so they will still

03:59remain confidential.

04:02OK with zoning now?

04:03OK.

04:05The next item on the agenda is

04:08docket number 2026-029 for the

04:10property located at 36 Hickory

04:12Point. Petitioners are Corey and

04:14Alyssa Boatman, Present zoning

04:16classification is our one

04:17single-family residence district

04:19section 155.016. The requested

04:22zoning relief is a petition of

04:24variants to vary to lake land

04:26use plan Appendix A, Section 3

04:29setbacks related to the 75 ft

04:30setback requirement from lake

04:32shoreline to allow the new pool

04:33and concrete patio structure to

04:35be a

04:35approximately 45 ft from the

04:37lake shoreline, swimming pools,

04:38water edge is to be

04:40approximately 57 ft from the

04:41lake shoreline of the city of

04:43Springfield zoning ordinance.

04:44Springfield-S Sangamon County

04:46Regional Planning staff

04:47reclamation recommendation is a

04:49denial. The planning and zoning

04:51commission recommendation is

04:53City council grant the petition

04:54as submitted with the

04:56requirement of to drain the pool

04:58to the front of the property.

05:00Chair will entertain a motion.

05:01Mayor, I make a motion to

05:03approve the Springfield Planning

05:03and Zoning Commission

05:04recommendation.

05:05I

05:06We have a motion. We have a

05:07second. Do I have any discussion

05:10from the council.

05:12Yeah, I got a quick question,

05:13Alderman Hanauer.

05:15We afraid that the clean pool

05:16water's going to mess up the

05:18dirty lake. Uh, well, that's,

05:19that I don't understand that.

05:21What, what, what, what's it

05:22matter which way they drain it?

05:25If it Alderman Cox Alderman I

05:25can speak to it a little minutes

05:28in, in the, the, uh,

05:30transcription, um, it was a, an

05:32issue with the chlorine, um, but

05:33it's not even gonna be a

05:34chlorine pool, it's gonna be a

05:35saltwater pool, so it, it really

05:37doesn't, it's kind of, uh, moot.

05:39Thank you. Do you want the

05:41zoning administrator to weigh in

05:41? No, I just, I, I just found

05:43that kind of comical that.

05:46Don't want clean water

05:48Lake, so

05:48OK.

05:50Any other discussion from the

05:51elders.

05:53No, you're not seeing them, the

05:54voting will now be open. All

05:55those in favor of the motion

05:56will vote yes. All those opposed

05:57will vote no.

06:01And the motion passes with 9

06:02voting yes, none voting no.

06:04The next item on the agenda is

06:08docket number 2026-030. For the

06:12property located at 315 Chatham

06:14Road, Suite 102. The petitioners

06:15are Wayne Friday and Jennifer

06:17Friday. Present zoning

06:19classification is S2 Community

06:20Shopping and Office District

06:22section 155.031. Requested

06:24zoning relief as a conditional

06:26permitted use for a restaurant

06:27with service of alcohol pursuant

06:31to sections 155.031C7.

06:34Conditional permitted uses in

06:35the S2 community shopping and

06:36office district.

06:37Restaurants and banquet halls

06:38with service of alcoholic

06:40beverages exclusive of drive-in

06:41or drive-up windows for the sale

06:43of alcohol located on zoning

06:45lots adjoining to the R1, R2, or

06:47R3 zoning districts or

06:49equivalent plan unit unit

06:50development designation or

06:52otherwise adjoining these

06:53districts, but for an alley and

06:56155.211 restaurant with service

06:57of alcoholic beverages to the

06:59city of Springfield zoning

07:00ordinance. Springfield Sangamon

07:01County Regional planning staff

07:03recommendation is recommend

07:04approval of the requested

07:05conditional permit.

07:06permitted use. Planning and

07:06zoning commission recommendation

07:08is approval to concur with the

07:09staff recommendation The Chair

07:10will now entertain a motion.

07:11Thank you, Chair. Um, I move

07:13that we accept the sprinkle

07:15planning and zoning

07:16recommendation to approve.

07:17We have a motion in the second.

07:18Any discussion from the elders.

07:22Seeing none, voting will now be

07:23open. All those in favor of the

07:24motion will vote yes. All those

07:25opposed will vote no.

07:28The motion passes with 9 voting

07:30yes, none voting no. This does

07:31conclude the zoning portion of

07:32our meeting.

07:36Oh, you're already there.

07:38The Chair will not recognize

07:39Treasurer Fager for the

07:41presentation of the financial

07:42report.

07:43Thank you, Madam Chair. The

07:44treasurer's report for the

07:45corporate fund for the month of

07:48September, beginning balance is

07:58$57,722,0887. Total receipts,

08:02$25,108,512 total disbursements,

08:0628,500.

08:08$3,0751 which left the corporate

08:09ending fund in the month of

08:12September at $54,327,000649. The

08:18ending ARPA balance was

08:24$1976,0398 which was included in

08:25the above ending balance. That

08:27concludes my report. Thank you.

08:28Thank you, Treasurer. Can I get

08:29a motion the chair will

08:30entertain a motion for approval

08:32of the financial report. We have

08:33a motion to second any

08:35discussion.

08:35Seeing none. All those in favor

08:36say aye. All those opposed? Nay,

08:37the ayes have it.

08:38also recognizes budget director

08:40Metzger for any questions on the

08:41OBM contract report any council

08:43members have any questions on

08:44the OBM contract report.

08:47Seeing none, we will move

08:48forward.

08:49The chair will entertain a

08:50motion to dispense with the

08:51reading of the minutes of the

08:52October 6, 2026 regular city

08:54council meeting and approve the

08:55minutes.

08:56A motion and a second. Any

08:58discussion.

08:59Seeing none, all those in favor

09:01say aye. Those opposed, nay, the

09:02ayes have it. Chair will

09:03entertain a motion to

09:04incorporate the pre-council

09:05first reading of ordinances into

09:06the record of this council

09:08meeting. We have a motion to

09:09second any discussion.

09:11Seeing none, all those in favor,

09:13please say aye. Those opposed,

09:14nay, the ayes have it. The next

09:16item on the agenda is the

09:17consent agenda. The chair will

09:18entertain a motion to

09:19incorporate the pre-council

09:20reading of the consent agenda

09:21into the record of this council

09:23meeting.

09:24Moved. We have a motion in a

09:25second. Any discussion.

09:27Seeing none, all those in favor

09:29say aye. Those opposed? Nay, the

09:30ayes have it. The chair will

09:31entertain a motion to place the

09:34consent agenda on final passage.

09:35We have a motion in a second.

09:36Any discussion.

09:38Seeing none, the voting will now

09:39be open. All those in favor of

09:40the motion will vote yes. All

09:42those opposed will vote no.

09:48And the motion passes with 9

09:49voting yes, none voting no.

09:53Agenda item number 2026-339

09:55still remains tabled or in

09:56committee.

09:56The next item on the agenda is

10:00item number 2026-447. An

10:02ordinance authorizing a

10:03three-year renewal contract

10:05number NB 24-250C of a

10:08professional services agreement

10:09with Sound Thinking Inc. for

10:10shotspotter detection

10:11technologies and the amount of

10:14$1,100,0012 for the Springfield

10:15Police Department. Chair, we'll

10:16entertain a motion to pass

10:17agenda item number 2026-0.

10:212026-447 on final passage. We

10:22have a motion in a second. Any

10:25discussion. Alderman Gregory, I

10:27would like to introduce

10:29amendment.

10:30This would be number one.

10:32I got about 10 of them.

10:34We have a conversation.

10:38I have a second thank you. I

10:39appreciate you.

10:40All right, so the alderman is

10:41proposed an amendment. We have a

10:42motion in a second. Is there

10:44further discussion, Alderman?

10:45Yes. OK, um, yeah, so, so just a

10:47few questions. I know last week

10:50we presented this and um I just

10:51got a couple questions I see

10:53that there's some new sponsors

10:54on there, so I, I just wanna

10:57understand um.

10:58You know why those sponsors are

11:00there and um if this is the

11:02situation that it takes um

11:05Play 70% of the time in my ward,

11:08um, why, why, um, you know, the

11:10due diligence wasn't a call made

11:12to to anyone on the east side on

11:16.

11:19they can.

11:20Ultimate hand hour or Altoman

11:22Carlson or Alderman Cox.

11:26Uh, are you OK? Are, are you OK

11:27to get the floor up on them. I

11:29just, I just wanna know to

11:31understand and, and, and then I

11:32could go on. OK, Alderman Hanna,

11:34well, because I've, I've

11:36supported all the tools that we,

11:37we can give the, the police, and

11:39this is a tool that that they

11:41they deem effective. OK. And,

11:43and that's the reason why I'm

11:45100% on board with it.

11:46Do you think I'm against it?

11:49Am I against us spotter,

11:50Alderman? I don't know what

11:51that's up to you. I, I, am I

11:54anti-police?

11:55That I don't know. That's up to

11:56you.

11:58I can just tell you what, what

12:00my.

12:01Um, does my voting record say

12:05anti-police?

12:05This has nothing to do with your

12:06voting record. This has to do

12:08with me deciding to put my name

12:09on a.

12:10On an ordinance which anybody

12:12can do.

12:13OK.

12:14Thank you, appreciate you.

12:18On Carson.

12:18Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna get

12:19sucked in a big debate here, but

12:21for me it's always about no,

12:23it's always about, it's always

12:24about police and fire protection

12:26.

12:26of citizens or the capital city.

12:28Sometimes we have to look.

12:31Beyond our ward and what's best

12:33for all the citizens when people

12:35come into this town, you know,

12:36legislators here 5 months a year

12:39. We want people to feel safe

12:40when they come here, enjoy all

12:41the sights. We want them to

12:42leave with a pleasant experience

12:43. We want them to come back and

12:45share a good experience, and to

12:47me talking to the chief.

12:48This is down that path, so I'm

12:50all for it. I appreciate you. Do

12:52you take me as anti-police? I

12:53didn't hear you. Do you take me

12:55as anti-police? Take you as

12:56anti-police, yes.

12:59No.

12:59I appreciate you. Uh, what about

13:00you, Mr. Cox? Um, I would echo,

13:02I guess, those comments that I

13:04just support the police and the

13:05technologies that they deem

13:07necessary to effectuate their

13:08jobs, um, and, uh, I do believe

13:10last week even you made the

13:11comment that you are in favor of

13:13ShotSpotter, if I recall

13:15correctly, and to get to your

13:16next question, no, I do not find

13:18you to be anti-police. Right. Um

13:20,

13:20She build.

13:23And, and, and I'm asking these

13:25questions because you know I, I

13:27obviously there's been some

13:28conversations with with all of

13:31you um but me and me and Chief

13:32haven't had the chance to have

13:34too much conversation, right,

13:36but this happens to 70% in my

13:38world, so you know all of this

13:41amendment, um, it really just

13:43asks for some data um to bring.

13:44I know, um, we have been on the

13:46news. I didn't even respond to

13:47the news because I didn't want

13:49this to be um no no uh media

13:52thing because it's really not

13:53about the police.

13:54Themselves it's about gathering

13:57data, um, um, so we can execute

14:00resources to those areas um and

14:02and and you know.

14:04Most of these ShotSpotter, um,

14:06devices are are on the inside,

14:08correct, but all of our.

14:10Incidents, murders and things

14:12don't just happen on the east

14:13side so um.

14:20I, I'll I'll start from there,

14:21chief. So my question to you, do

14:22you take me as.

14:24Anti-police.

14:25No, I don't, um, but I want to

14:26point out one thing that, uh,

14:28ShotSpotter covers roughly 8% of

14:30our square mileage of our

14:32community, and it also covers 80

14:33or I'm sorry, 73% of the shots

14:35fired incidents that happened

14:37within our community I'm totally

14:38understanding of that. So my

14:41question is, so when I put this

14:43amendment in for was to.

14:45Um, just get some annual, annual

14:47reporting on the total alerts

14:50confirmed gun gun um fire

14:52incidents, false positives and

14:53the percentage of those

14:55confirmed and false reports, um,

14:57and, and, and really trying to

14:58get some some evaluation of

15:00those things so we can cut down

15:03on um false reports, railroad

15:05tracks, things of that nature,

15:06um, and, and, and, and you know

15:08I I I really didn't think it it

15:10it would be such a big deal to

15:12to to ask for for that or to

15:14make our communities.

15:15Better not only make our

15:16communities better, but I look

15:16on the flip side, uh, it reduces

15:19stress and, and, and to our

15:21officers, you know, um, I can

15:23only imagine going to a shots

15:25fired call and and and

15:26adrenaline is running.

15:28For nothing, for, for a false

15:30alarm, you know, um, and, and

15:31you know I did everything I did

15:33everything as as everybody tells

15:34me to.

15:36Send the amendment to Murdoch so

15:38everybody can view it before, um

15:40.

15:41Have conversations behind.

15:43I, I, I did everything that that

15:46people have asked me to to do.

15:48With the chief

15:50And then call 10 people on this,

15:52so, um, with that said before I

15:54introduce this amendment, I just

15:55, I, I got a little statement,

15:57um, to read and, and, and they

15:59will um bring it all together so

16:01you know I just want everybody

16:02to understand that this

16:04amendment is uh what this

16:06amendment is all about because

16:08the conversation.

16:09should never be reduced to

16:10whether somebody is.

16:12For or against police or whether

16:15somebody cares about public

16:16safety. I care about public

16:17safety. Our residents deserve to

16:19be safe.

16:21Our officers deserve the tools.

16:24Information and resources they

16:25need to do their jobs and our

16:28taxpayers deserve to know that

16:29when we spend more than a

16:30million dollars in technology.

16:34We have the information to

16:35determine whether that

16:36investment is working.

16:39That's what this amendment is

16:41about accountability,

16:42transparency, and evidence.

16:43Have not

16:45Sitting up here asking.

16:47Nobody to take my word for it.

16:50Stanford.

16:52Legal scholarship.

16:54Has raised concerns about the

16:57transparency of ShotSpotter's

16:58technology and the difficulty.

17:00Of independently examining.

17:02How the system works.

17:03Dude.

17:04School of law.

17:09Researchers found that

17:09notifications increased and uh

17:12medium response times improve

17:13but only about 1.5 minutes.

17:15But they could not determine

17:17whether the technology reduced.

17:19Gun violence.

17:20Think about that.

17:23Faster notifications may be

17:25useful.

17:25But faster notifications by

17:27itself.

17:28does not prove.

17:30we are preventing shootings or

17:31making our neighborhood safer.

17:33Research from the University of

17:35Maryland.

17:36Very school of law.

17:38Examines the legal questions

17:40that arise when police rely on

17:43automatic technology and

17:45decisions and involving

17:46reasonable suspicion and

17:48probable cause.

17:49The MacArthur Justice Institute.

17:52Here in Illinois, affiliated

17:55with with Northwestern School of

17:57Law Analyze Chicago's deployment

17:58and reported that many did not

18:01lead to documented incidents

18:03involving a gun or other

18:05documented crimes.

18:06So I'll be fair.

18:08An alert that does not produce

18:09recovered evidence is not

18:11automatically a false alert.

18:14The company disputes that the

18:15ways critics measure their

18:17success.

18:18That is precisely why we need

18:20clear.

18:23Definitions transparent

18:25reporting and independent

18:26evaluations instead of

18:27assumptions on either side.

18:29The ACLU has also raised

18:32concerns.

18:33About unverified alerts,

18:35transparency, privacy, and the

18:37potential consequences of police

18:39responding to alerts in

18:40communities of color.

18:41In Boston, the ACLU of

18:44Massachusetts.

18:46And analysis found that many of

18:47these alerts did not produce

18:49evidence of gunfire.

18:51That's boss's death.

18:53We need Spring for that.

18:57The NAACP Legal Defense Fund has

18:59raised broader concerns about

19:02surveillance technologies

19:04concentrated deployment in

19:05communities of color and a

19:06potential for heavily policed

19:08responses.

19:12These are some serious questions

19:13raised by legal scholars.

19:16Researchers and civil rights

19:17advocates they deserve more than

19:19just a political dismissal.

19:21And I also want to acknowledge

19:23sound thinker's position. The

19:24company reports that they are

19:2797%.

19:29Aggregate accuracy rate based on

19:31its own customer data from 2019

19:35about 2022.

19:37And it points to human.

19:39Review.

19:40And privacy safeguards.

19:42But an overall accuracy claim is

19:44not the same thing as knowing

19:45what percentage of the alerts

19:48are independently corroborated

19:49what outcomes follow these

19:51alerts?

19:52And whether the system reduces

19:54violence in neighborhoods where

19:55it's deployed.

19:57That is why we need spring for a

19:59specific day.

20:01I mean alerts are generated. How

20:03many are independently

20:04corroborated.

20:06How many lead to to evidence

20:08victims receiving assistance,

20:10arrests, and cases cleared.

20:13How often do officers arrive and

20:15find no corroborating evidence.

20:17How much time and money are we

20:19investing?

20:21Are certain neighborhoods

20:24carrying a disproportionate

20:26share of the alerts and police

20:28responses.

20:28And what safeguards?

20:29Are in place to ensure that the

20:31information is.

20:33use appropriately.

20:38And it brings me to think of.

20:41Many cases, one of the cases

20:43that it highlighted um that I

20:44read today, um.

20:45Was where

20:50A gentleman

20:50Was going through something.

20:53And the police called

20:55ShotSpotter.

20:58To reclassify

20:58What was there?

21:01That case got thrown out.

21:03Because of that.

21:05So Chief, do we communicate with

21:07with with ShotSpotter, the human

21:09portion of it, um.

21:13To to reclassify uh gunshots and

21:15things of that nature. Yeah. OK.

21:16When it's confirmed that we have

21:17ground truth that says, hey,

21:18this wasn't gunshots, this was

21:20this particular fireworks, let's

21:22just say we have firework debris

21:23we go back in and we relog that

21:25as as fireworks. OK. OK. But the

21:28system logged it as.

21:29Yeah, so what happens is you,

21:32you get, um, they triangulate

21:34the location of wherever they

21:35believe the gunshots are coming

21:36from, then a human listens to

21:38that audio and they're the ones

21:40that push the notification out

21:43to uh the ShotSpotter

21:44application within the the

21:45software that's on your computer

21:46. Um, from there we respond to

21:48the call and then we either

21:50confirm or deny there's actually

21:52shots fired there and then

21:53logged that appropriately. If

21:54it's fire, let's just call it

21:56firework debris. If we have

21:57ground truth that says yes this

21:58is fireworks, fireworks made in

21:59the road.

22:00What have you, and we reclassify

22:01that.

22:04So I

22:05You know, anytime that there's

22:07human.

22:08Um,

22:11Hands at technology we have to

22:12have safeguards, right? We

22:13should know.

22:14Um, every time that we

22:15reclassify these things. I mean

22:17this was to a specific case,

22:20right, that that was gonna send

22:21this man to prison.

22:22Um, I mean, you know, there's

22:25like 6000 these situations at

22:27Harvard Law School on the

22:29Innocent Project so we we wanna

22:30make sure that that um.

22:33Our data is accurate as possible

22:35and that we're having people

22:36review that to, to, to make, to

22:38help the, the company get better

22:40at what they're, what they're

22:41putting out there, you know, you

22:42, you have different cities

22:43around this country that are

22:45canceling that and the license

22:48plate readers for various

22:50misuses and misuses things

22:50misuses, so our job here as

22:52policy makers.

22:53is to do one thing is to make

22:55sure that the citizens.

22:58Don't have a chance to be

23:00railroaded, right? Everybody's

23:02not perfect. Everybody's, um, um

23:04, um, you know, I know.

23:05We act like we're all upstanding

23:08citizens, but we, we've seen

23:09some situations where, where

23:10things do go wrong where where

23:12people take advantage of these

23:14systems.

23:14Um, you know, I had a very, very

23:16good conversation with the sound

23:18thinking people, um, I read

23:19their material, um.

23:21And and within all of this

23:23material.

23:25They're they're advising us to

23:26make sure that these safeguards

23:28are in place.

23:29So I, I, I just don't understand

23:32why.

23:33You know, it's such a big deal

23:35to to come with an amendment to

23:37ask for this data. We have it on

23:38a, a, a much more um.

23:43Scrutinized

23:44Piece of tool that we have such

23:45as the the license plate readers

23:47and and we have that, um,

23:49amendment in we we we're, we're,

23:50we're gonna get that data

23:52hopefully and and and this is,

23:54is not even a uh controversial

23:58topic, but, but you know.

24:00Um,

24:00And, and I know I may be taking

24:01a while. I mean, I, you know, I,

24:03I, I got 5 different things that

24:05I have to read up here, um.

24:08But I'm not trying to I'm really

24:09trying to come, come to a, a, a

24:13um understanding of why this is

24:15being pressed pushed back on

24:17from from our police department.

24:20I, I don't know, most of this

24:21data that you're asking for is

24:23on transparency page. That's why

24:24we put it out there so it's

24:26already there for for public

24:27consumption. So let's talk about

24:29the transparency page because

24:29you always point people to that,

24:31right? On your transparency page

24:32, right? You got the difference

24:33on the gunshots of, of, of race,

24:35right? Do you have it on the

24:37stops? No. Why? We were I can't,

24:40we report it to the state. Why

24:41is it not on our transparency

24:43page doesn't doesn't work like

24:44that doesn't. It doesn't pour in

24:45there like that because that's a

24:47whole different portion of the

24:49records management system, OK.

24:50We've had this conversation, I

24:51believe with you and with

24:53multiple community members have

24:54not had it with me. You've had

24:55it probably with sunshine and

24:56Black Lives Matter, but I, I did

24:58not know that.

25:00The information that we've gotta

25:02get to the state would not be a

25:04hard transparency website that

25:05makes no sense it it actually

25:07makes people think that the

25:09transparency page is not working

25:10when we purposely put out a stat

25:13.

25:13To show who's shooting

25:15Sure. The reason for that is

25:17because the shootings are

25:18tracked individually by, by our

25:21crime analysis folks one by one,

25:23every single one of them is

25:24tracked manually by an

25:26individual. The data that comes

25:28through the transparency portal

25:31for traffic stops, for all cases

25:33for shoplifting, for motor

25:35vehicle thefts, all of that

25:36information comes through our

25:37records management system, which

25:38is through Tyler Technology.

25:40That data does not always have

25:42the race data to go with it.

25:43Here's an example. I made a.

25:45traffic stop some time ago when

25:46I made that stop, I ran a young

25:48lady uh over the radio. I just

25:50check to make sure her driver's

25:51license was valid.

25:52Never once was there a race

25:54discussed, so that traffic stop

25:55is logged.

25:57But that the race isn't there.

25:59Another example, I go to a

26:00retail theft call.

26:02We have a retail theft. We don't

26:03have a suspect or a lot of

26:05organizations that we deal with

26:07refuse to give you suspect

26:08information. They just say, hey,

26:09here's the tags, here's what was

26:10stolen. I just need to report

26:12this for insurance purposes. We

26:13don't have suspect information,

26:15so if we do have it.

26:17It does, it's not, it's not

26:18logged in the same spot, if you

26:20will, or y file if you will,

26:23than the original report, number

26:2512, a lot of the, a lot of the

26:26information we have is

26:26incomplete because we don't have

26:29the suspect information. That's

26:30why that is the way it is.

26:32Gunshot victims are tracked one

26:33by one.

26:35Shootings are tracked one by one

26:37.

26:38But what we should try to.

26:40Well, I'm hopeful I'm I'm

26:41hopeful for instance, let's

26:42let's let's a real world

26:44experience, right?

26:45We just had a mom come up here

26:47mad about a kid.

26:48Who got wrestled to the ground

26:49because we thought he had a gun.

26:51He didn't have a gun.

26:54So, so is that just, you know,

26:58uh, uh, is that OK? Is, is that

26:59by the department? I mean we so

27:01if me and you walking on the

27:02east side, I'm, I'm gonna get

27:03wrestled down first before you.

27:07So we this is apples and oranges

27:08. I'm not sure where we're going

27:10with this, but if I'm in the

27:12area and a shot goes off and you

27:14think that a shot went off, then

27:15I'm gonna get my butt wrestling

27:16down to the ground because they

27:17think I am searched.

27:21And because I'm in the vicinity

27:22of a false.

27:26But it's not just a ShotSpotter

27:29notification in that particular

27:30call, there was an eyewitness

27:31that says there were these two

27:32particular people that did that,

27:33did that, and this is what

27:35they're wearing, and they left

27:36in that direction, which is

27:37exactly where we found this

27:38young man, but it doesn't always

27:39happen like that. I've been,

27:41I've been, been out at 5 in the

27:42morning, but that down, putting

27:44down signs over by Bun Park.

27:47All types of police come.

27:50They're looking for a shot

27:52spotter um report.

27:54I'm out there I ain't heard not

27:56one thing had I not been who I

27:58am.

27:59What would have happened to me?

28:02They would have stopped and they

28:02would have questioned me.

28:0783% of ShotSpotter notifications

28:07are never called in 911.

28:1083% of those notifications are

28:11never called in by the general

28:13public.

28:14I'm just saying I was out there

28:15and I didn't hear not one thing

28:17it was the quiet of the morning,

28:20so if we know for sure that if

28:22you go over the railroad tracks

28:24at 19th Street, if there's

28:26fireworks or loud noises, etc.

28:28right? Um.

28:29Then then then what I'm saying

28:30is, is on that map.

28:33That has all the green dots and

28:34and things of that nature we

28:35need to make sure that those are

28:36filtered out we wanna know how

28:38much that occurs and how much

28:39that's happening.

28:40Um, and, and, and I don't think

28:42that there should be any, any

28:44reason why we shouldn't couldn't

28:46get that data because what I'm

28:46trying to do is get that data

28:49combined with public works data

28:50and say hey this this area here

28:52this this area here mayor public

28:54works guys, we need to put some

28:55attention to. We need to put

28:56some lights on, Scott, Mr.

28:57Rogers.

28:58Things of that nature, the area

28:59that we have been going, um,

29:01sound thinking they hear they're

29:02bragging on, on us and what

29:04we've done. The area that we've

29:05been going.

29:07Um,

29:07Up north.

29:10They don't have as many gun gun

29:12gunshots or or.

29:14Situations, but that is the area

29:16that we're putting um resources

29:18and going and going to and and

29:20again you know if we're gonna,

29:21if we're gonna use this data, if

29:23we're gonna pay sound thinking

29:26$1.3 million every 3 years or

29:28something like that, then, then

29:30I, I just think that it is um.

29:32A good thing for the city to try

29:35to address those areas to reduce

29:38um overall um gunshots and, and

29:40violence. I mean there there's

29:41there's there's no reason why we

29:43shouldn't use that data or that

29:44data has to stay um in one place

29:45we should, we should have that

29:47data and it could be out west it

29:49could be, you know, Ralph had a

29:52a murder at um um Wendy's.

29:55And we had shots water out there

29:56maybe we could have got, got,

29:57got there quicker, but we don't,

29:59it's all on the east side. The

30:00man's gonna come here and he's

30:02gonna speak on the lack of

30:04response time out west on a on a

30:06on a young kid. So what I'm

30:07saying is, is if we can just.

30:10Get to a point where, where

30:12we're really, really accurate

30:14with this, um, ShotSpotter thing

30:17, then we can get our officers

30:19to the right places, um, reduce

30:20their stress level, reduce the

30:22community stress level and have

30:22some true numbers so we can go

30:25and help those communities grow

30:26and that's what this amendment

30:27is about, but it just, it just

30:29feels like there there's so much

30:31pushback on, on, on something

30:32that we all should want, we

30:34should all want data um to make

30:37informed decisions.

30:39Informed decisions like, you

30:40know, we have good conversations

30:41with you all of your command

30:43staff, we We have great

30:44conversations, but the second

30:46that that that.

30:46You know, I try to put any type

30:49of amendment or anything, then

30:50it's like I'm, I'm I'm I'm the

30:51worst thing in the world.

30:53But when we needed our our our

30:55our our bobcat I voted for

30:57because I know the truths of our

30:58community. I know the dangers of

31:00your community. I fought hard to

31:02see what we got 30 black

31:05officers now.

31:06Came in the door screaming about

31:07that and I don't ever forget

31:09about that. I'm old enough now

31:10to see kids who I've coached on

31:12that police force.

31:14So I definitely care about them.

31:16It's, it's definitely not about

31:17the police.

31:18And, and, and, and your roles

31:21and what you do, it's about the

31:22data from the system that we're

31:24paying money for to make our

31:26communities better because I

31:27envision a day. I don't know

31:28about everybody else, but I

31:30envision a day where we don't

31:31need that.

31:32Some would say, um, if you look

31:34back.

31:35Over the last 10 years you, you

31:37use that number for for for the

31:38last 10 years in your interview,

31:40some will say, well, man, you

31:42know, you can almost uh

31:44Match it up number wise and

31:48SPD

31:4912 years ago was solving crimes

31:51just as well as or better.

31:52Than they are now.

31:54With all these systems that we

31:55got.

31:56So,

31:58I respect that that that that

32:00you know what you're bringing

32:01and stuff and I just wish that

32:03that same respect was given back

32:05to to me as as as aldermen of

32:09this war, um, um, and who knows

32:11best for this war because I

32:12can't.

32:12I

32:13I won't say, but I, I, I don't

32:14know the last time that any of

32:18these gentlemen um visited um

32:19our community um in times of

32:21stress, in times of need, going

32:22a walk our communities, knocking

32:24on doors.

32:24We just had a

32:26Request for a ring doorbell, so

32:27you know, I'm a part of all the

32:29things with you. You sent out

32:30the email and you're like, oh we

32:32put out $8 million.

32:34Well, $3 million of that came

32:36before you when you was chief.

32:37Me and Roy signed off on that.

32:39We split it half and half, 1.5,

32:43the police and equipment, 1.5 to

32:45the community.

32:46The co-respondent grant was

32:49We had great conversations with

32:50with our senator to make sure

32:52we're pushing that we supported

32:53that, all of that, so it's not

32:54like, uh, you know.

32:56SBD pull $8 million out of their

32:59budget.

32:59Or that they

33:00went and fought for the money,

33:01no.

33:03We as older people fought for

33:04that money.

33:05For our communities and we put

33:06it in.

33:08Ask for it to go.

33:09To that department.

33:12Ask for.

33:14For sure that $3 million.

33:16So when you put out your

33:18statements, you should think

33:20Senator Turner, Alderman Gregory

33:21, Autumn Williams.

33:24Because had we not agreed to the

33:25way that we executed that $3

33:26million grant, it wouldn't be

33:27here in the city of Springfield,

33:30so you know, um, and, and that's

33:32what my frustration comes from

33:33then I come in and you know it's

33:34, is, is, is two new co-sponsors

33:37who, who, who don't live in the

33:39community.

33:40Um,

33:41No conversation much

33:42conversation. You send me a

33:43sheet that you have from in 2022

33:45.

33:46Uh, and, and, and, and that's

33:47where our conversation ended.

33:51But when things go wrong in the

33:52streets.

33:53A call.

33:55I come in, I look at the videos,

33:57I have good conversations with

33:58y'all.

33:58But as soon as I wanna do

34:00nothing.

34:00And and all you do.

34:08Y'all turn your back on me like

34:09that.

34:12Over a simple data data thing.

34:14So,

34:16I see there's other speakers go

34:17ahead and speak and I'll finish

34:19up afterwards. Thank you.

34:20Alderwoman Conley.

34:22Thank you, Mayor. Uh, Chief, I

34:24just have a quick question to

34:24clarify, um.

34:27Alderman Gregory asked about uh

34:29reclassifying data when you've

34:30had, uh, like a, a firework or

34:31something like that.

34:32How is that tracked and recorded

34:33when that's done?

34:34It's in the, it's in the, uh,

34:36well, before it goes to our

34:37crime analysis folks that put it

34:40into the transparency page it's

34:41tracking the ShotSpotter

34:42software. So let's say we get a

34:44notification, we respond to that

34:45, we find that that's fireworks,

34:47it gets reclassified before it

34:48even gets to the transparency

34:50page, so it's never logged as a

34:53valid ShotSpotter notification

34:54if it's been reclassified and

34:55you have records of who made the

34:57request to reclassify it, yes,

34:58there's an audit trail and all

34:59of that. And that's that linked

35:02to a report because they've gone

35:03out or is it just you have.

35:06documentation of who's within

35:07ShotSpotter and then so the

35:09officers that respond to that

35:10are attached to a dispatch

35:11ticket, if you will, and then

35:12every, every officer has access

35:14to the ShotSpotter software so

35:15they can log in and reclassify

35:18and or make notes, but you know

35:19who does it and you know who

35:21does a lot. Correct, yes,

35:21there's an audit trail and all

35:22that. OK. Thank you very much.

35:24Sure. That's my only question.

35:26Alderman Williams, yes, so, uh,

35:27you know, I won't belabor things

35:30. I'll just say that, um, the

35:32amendment is a good amendment

35:33because it's gonna give us a

35:34true picture.

35:37Annually, uh, and the company

35:39that put this system together

35:41recommends this type of

35:42reporting. Yes, I hear you

35:44clearly, chief, when you say

35:45well we put it on our

35:47transparency page but that makes

35:48it even easier so this means, uh

35:50, this task that we're asking of

35:53to amend this to include

35:56providing us this data annually

35:57should not be a problem because

35:58it's so important to get a true

36:00picture because.

36:02He is number one, but I'm right

36:04behind him. I'm #2 with the

36:06green dots and the most and the

36:08math and it it makes my ward and

36:11my opinion look worse.

36:13And what it could be, but what

36:14could settle me down made me

36:16make me think or know if I'm

36:17thinking wrong it's if I had

36:19dated to say oh but these.

36:23So many incidents were

36:25reclassified and it's public.

36:26They truly turned out not to be.

36:28It was new to me when I found

36:30out.

36:31Going over the tracks fast and

36:32getting the boom can send off.

36:35The the shot spot. Now I don't

36:38know how often it happens just

36:39like I don't know how often

36:41fireworks do it and all these

36:42other things that give you what

36:44we call false alarms. I just

36:46know from reading the data, it

36:47does say, I mean reading the

36:49material, it does, that is one

36:51of the recommendations and I

36:54encourage my uh colleagues to

36:55support the amendment since you

36:57support the ShotSpotter, and we

36:59should be fine. Thank you.

37:01Alderwoman Noriano. Thank you,

37:02Mayor.

37:05So I, I was looking at the

37:08transparency page and um.

37:11I don't see.

37:14Where we are logging false

37:17alerts or the thing, the gunfire

37:20that is reclassified, you have

37:23single gunshot, multiple gunshot

37:25, and probable gunfire, which

37:26would be the only one that I

37:27would think might be it, but to

37:30me, probable gunfire is not a

37:32firework or a false alarm.

37:33So can you help me?

37:36Yeah, the false alarm or the

37:38reclassifications are never make

37:39it to the transparency page.

37:40But they should.

37:42That's like the point.

37:44But my point being is I guess, I

37:45guess.

37:46I, I guess I'm getting mixed

37:48emotions here. Somebody says we

37:49don't want it on there cause

37:49then it looks, make it look

37:50worse than it is, but now we say

37:51we do want it on there. I don't

37:53know. I mean, we can start

37:53putting them on there, but

37:54there's just gonna be more dots,

37:55I guess, if you will. I mean,

37:59the, the amendment asks for that

38:02to be public.

38:04Um,

38:06Yeah, measuring outcomes, so

38:09like.

38:09How which of these or how many

38:12of these alerts result in an

38:14arrest or whatever, and then, um

38:16.

38:17Yeah.

38:19False alerts and

38:22reclassifications.

38:22I mean, that's part of of the

38:24data. Maybe I'm misunderstanding

38:25what

38:25I think it may be easier if we

38:27just.

38:28Maybe I don't know if mapping

38:29that's gonna, well, if we can,

38:30we can walk through logistics on

38:32it. That's this is the road we

38:33go down, but mapping that's

38:34gonna be kind of messy, so we

38:35may try to figure out a

38:36different way, yeah, no, I, I

38:38mean, it doesn't have to be a

38:39map, but like.

38:41To know the other side of the

38:44story, right? We would want to

38:46see those, those numbers of when

38:50it's when it's a firework or.

38:52Yada yada.

38:55Thank you, Mayor um it looks

38:57like we're back to Alderman

38:58Gregory.

38:59Oh, I'm sorry. So, and, and.

39:02I, I understand the, the

39:03transparency page. I'm not

39:05asking for it there. I'm asking

39:06for a report um delivered to us

39:08so we can look at the

39:09percentages and, and, and go

39:10from there. It may be a

39:12situation where we're like, man,

39:13this is an awful lot of false

39:15alerts maybe they need to turn

39:16the volume down. Maybe they need

39:17to tweak it. Maybe we need to

39:18move it away from the 19th

39:20Street tracks. All of those

39:21things I'm sure you guys have

39:23some internal discussions uh on

39:24that among your command staff,

39:26um, but with us as the policy

39:29makers um we need to know that

39:30information too and and.

39:31You know.

39:33And I'm trying not to belabor

39:34the point, but you know I, I'm

39:36just really curious on um.

39:39Point number 5 of Sounds

39:41Thinking's own.

39:43Own thing. This is their own

39:44pamphlet that they gave 5, you

39:45got that one?

39:47It says policy development and

39:50implementation.

39:50Must prevent.

39:53And ambiguity.

39:55But it says one of the most

39:57overlooked responsibilities.

39:59Of leadership.

40:02It's creating transparent

40:05accessible and enforceable

40:07policies governing public safety

40:09technology.

40:11Ambiguity invites misuse

40:14speculation and distrust.

40:16Elected officials can prevent

40:17these problems by ensuring that

40:19the technology investment is

40:21supported by policy framework

40:23that divide that defines its

40:25purposes and mission.

40:26While the tool is being deployed

40:28and the specific outcomes.

40:31It is intended to support as

40:33well as appropriate usage

40:35including when the technology is

40:37used and who is authorized to

40:38use it and how the alerts and

40:40data should be acted upon. The

40:42framework.

40:44Should also establish prohibited

40:47uses.

40:48Outlining what technology must

40:50not be used for and to

40:52safeguards that prevent function

40:54.

40:55Uh, prevent function creep or

40:58misuse training and

40:59certification requirements such

41:02as mandatory user training

41:04periodic reauthorization for

41:06system access and accountability

41:08for compliance and governance

41:10and updates including regular.

41:12Raglan.

41:15Policy reviews alignment with

41:16involving community needs and

41:18clear communication about those

41:19changes that's number 5 in

41:21Psalms thinkings.

41:23Information and then say

41:25Chief Bill do it. It's at us. It

41:29said elected officials.

41:31So that's what I'm trying to do

41:32is be an elected official and

41:34put in policies to make sure

41:36that we have data safeguards to

41:39protect this information.

41:40We, we, we don't want anybody

41:42calling the human um.

41:46Analyzer

41:46And being like, you know what,

41:48it was a gunshot.

41:50It was a gunshot because we're

41:52gonna use that for evidence

41:53against this person these things

41:56.

41:56Happy.

41:58And we must have safeguards for

42:00that just like a license plate

42:01readers, the same thing. This is

42:03about people's civil rights.

42:07And I rest my, I guess I rest my

42:09case. Thank you.

42:10Alderman Carlson.

42:13Um, Chief Beal, I think you've

42:15given us some stats a while ago

42:17that.

42:17Um,

42:22due to the ShotSpotter, have we

42:23taken off? I mean, how many

42:24illegal guns have we taken off

42:26the street the last few years.

42:27Sure. So when this conversation

42:29started some time ago, I ran a

42:32statistics from 2016 to current

42:34date, and that was about 45 days

42:36ago, um.

42:38ShotSpotter came online late

42:392020, early 2021. Prior to that,

42:42from 2016 forward to about 2020,

42:44we were taking roughly 250

42:46illegally possessed firearms off

42:48the street. Um, right now we

42:50average right around 450

42:52illegally possessed firearms

42:53that we removed from the streets

42:55annually, so, um, I'm not saying

42:56that ShotSpotter did all of this

42:57. Um, I think it does have an

42:58impact in public safety, uh, you

43:00know, we're roughly 1718, 19,

43:0320% down, uh, compared to

43:04September of last year,

43:05September of this year, and

43:05crime numbers, whether that's.

43:07That's a violent crime and or

43:08property crime, so I think, uh,

43:10culmination of the great work of

43:11men and women of the Springfield

43:12Police Department are doing

43:13along with the, the, uh the tech

43:15technology to support them, uh,

43:16has, has given us the results

43:18that we have. I mean, those are

43:18the facts that.

43:20You know, I would hope all of us

43:21would like to hear. I would like

43:22to hear, I mean, so in, in your

43:24professional opinion.

43:26I mean, is ShotSpotter one of

43:27the

43:28One of the best tools you guys

43:30have. It's a great tool. Yeah,

43:31it's, it's a tool in the toolbox

43:33, right? Just like anything else

43:34, just like a car, just like

43:35body armor, just like anything

43:36else, right?

43:37I mean.

43:39I'm not an expert in police.

43:41Just because I'm elected

43:42alderman doesn't mean I'm an

43:44expert on everything that you

43:45guys do on a day to day basis. I

43:46mean, there's no way I could do

43:48your job, and I appreciate that,

43:51but um I appreciate those stats

43:52and I, I would urge my

43:53colleagues to look at those

43:55stats.

43:56And what we're doing here, so

43:57thank you, Mayor. Thank you.

43:59Uh, is that it for the

44:00discussion, Mayor, if I may,

44:03sorry, no one's removing

44:04themselves, so it's hard for me

44:06to tell who tell who signed up

44:07or tell who tell who signed up

44:07or. Alder McGregory. I, I, I

44:09would just say that, that I'm

44:10not claiming to be an expert

44:11either. That's why I went and

44:13sought to be educated on it.

44:15I, I, I, I'm not sitting up and

44:16claiming to be an extra.

44:19I went and saw information to

44:21teach.

44:23Me about this thing I read from

44:25the person who sold us the

44:26system on what we should be

44:28doing. This is what they're

44:29telling us to do.

44:30This is what they're telling us

44:32to do, um, and, and we've had

44:35ShotSpotter since what, 2019,

44:36right?

44:40And um gunshots and murders in

44:42our city that went up and down

44:43and in fact over the last 4

44:45years it's 5.

44:48911.

44:48And 2 this year.

44:50With it.

44:52So, you know.

44:56It may be a good tool.

45:01For investment into those

45:02communities, um, the things that

45:03we have done with the grant

45:06money that that we received

45:07those emails about about the

45:09investment into those

45:10communities, those things

45:11combined.

45:12Helped, right?

45:14The ring doorbell cameras that

45:15we put out, um, ShotSpotter, um,

45:19um, artful grateful to the work

45:21by the good police officers who

45:23do it, um.

45:24Those things combined did that.

45:27And what I'm asking for.

45:29It's just what they're telling

45:29me to do.

45:30This is what they sold us and

45:32this is what they're telling us

45:33to do. This is straight from

45:35sound thinking.

45:36No one else.

45:39Forget the law schools that I I

45:40mentioned people are way smarter

45:41than all of us.

45:43Sound thinking sold us to us.

45:45I'm just doing what they say we

45:47should do.

45:49That's all that's all I that's

45:50all that's all I'm doing that,

45:51that's it. I'm not, not, not,

45:54not pushing pressing on chief

45:55and, and, and his things I I I'm

45:58, I'm trying to talk to us as

46:00policy makers to make sure that

46:01we have a good policy. He's not

46:03gonna be chief forever.

46:04This is my 3rd chief that I've

46:06sat under.

46:08Right, we've seen people.

46:12In 25 years on the police force

46:15and what he called me.

46:18What do you call anybody else of

46:19any other ethnicity.

46:22He didn't like them.

46:26So we gotta have these things in

46:28place we might run across

46:29another Aaron Nichols on our

46:30department.

46:31Then what?

46:35Then what,

46:41These things happen and we have

46:43to have safeguards in place so

46:45therefore if something does go

46:46wrong, at least we as a city

46:47council and enacted, right?

46:49License plate reader, that was a

46:50tough.

46:52Um, thing amendment that we put

46:53in, but we put it in.

46:57So now if anything happens.

46:58At least we have some safeguards

47:00in place to say hey you weren't

47:01supposed to access it like that.

47:03You weren't supposed to go chase

47:04down your girlfriend like that.

47:06Cause that's what's going on

47:07with these, these tools, the

47:09more technology we gotta be

47:11careful with all this technology

47:12that we got.

47:14Because people do abuse it.

47:16And I'm just saying that we need

47:18some safeguards and um policies

47:20set in place and I appreciate

47:21you mayor. I'm gonna take off

47:23all three of my.

47:24Thanks, sir. Awesome.

47:26Uh, Alderman Cox.

47:27Thank you, Mayor, and, uh, thank

47:29you to everyone for the, the

47:31good conversation. Um,

47:35Alter McGregory brings up a good

47:36point as far as oversight, uh,

47:38With the use of this technology,

47:41Chief. So what training if you

47:42can, I mean, um,

47:45What training is done with the

47:47users at SPD, um, and what

47:49safeguards are in place to make

47:50sure it's not abused. If there

47:51are any, I, I'm just on

47:53genuinely curious as to what,

47:54what oversight we do have. Yes,

47:55I, I'm not really sure how you

47:56would abuse it because we get an

47:58alert from ShotSpotter, um, and

48:00the, the user or the the use,

48:02it's user uh training, the end

48:04user training, essentially, as

48:05you're going through field

48:05training program, you learn how

48:07to use the ShotSpotter. You get

48:09the notification in, you respond

48:10to the call, uh, and, and

48:12officers and end users respond

48:13to the call uh.

48:14Wherever that call might be, uh,

48:16they're looking for, uh, you

48:17know, they're investigating to

48:18make sure there's no shots fired

48:19in the air or if there are shots

48:20fired in the area, collect

48:22whatever, uh, evidence there

48:23might be in that particular area

48:24. If there isn't any, uh, and it

48:26can be reclassified because we

48:27have ground truth that dictates

48:29such, then we do that, uh, and,

48:31and that's really the end of it.

48:32I don't know how there's no way

48:33to get in the backside of it and

48:35change things, um, that's all on

48:38ShotSpotter's side.

48:38Thank you, Chief. I appreciate

48:39it. Thank you.

48:44Mayor, if I may just comment on

48:46Alderman Gregory.

48:48The way that it's abused that

48:51there's a human element to this

48:52that you guys have the ability

48:55to call to reclassify things.

48:56Well, it has been done in

48:58reverse.

48:58It has been done where there

49:00wasn't shots spots, shots, um,

49:03spotted by this device and they

49:05call them.

49:07And they made them put market as

49:09a gunshot.

49:11And this man was facing some

49:14serious time.

49:14So his lawyers.

49:17Prove that and they threw the

49:19case out, so that's how it can

49:21be easily manipulated. That's

49:22how it can be used for bad.

49:24Because if you as the chief, you

49:27call your connect that sounds,

49:28sound thinking that you're in a

49:29bad mood and you're mad at me,

49:31right?

49:33He was shooting outside his

49:34house y'all.

49:35Put it on there.

49:38And then you're gonna come get

49:38me. You got some proof, you got

49:40some evidence, come search me

49:41down. I'm just saying these

49:43things happen.

49:45These things happen, everybody

49:46ain't a good person like you,

49:47Chief.

49:48Everybody ain't a good person

49:50like you, people abuse systems

49:52we've seen it within our own

49:53police department and we see it

49:54across this country.

49:56Normal police, whatever.

49:58We have to have some safeguards

50:00that's all I'm saying we have to

50:02have some policies in place. The

50:05people were spending $1.5

50:07million or 1. a million dollars

50:09say that we should be doing

50:10these things. Thank you. I

50:12promise I ain't gonna say

50:12nothing else.

50:15No.

50:17OK.

50:17Any other discussion from the

50:19elders.

50:20OK. We have a motion in the 2

50:22for the.

50:26Ordinance 2026-447 as amended.

50:29So first we have to, we have to

50:30vote on the amendment. That's

50:31what I'm, I'm getting there.

50:32We have to vote on the amendment

50:33. Bear with me. So we have a

50:35motion to second for the

50:36amendment itself, not the

50:39ordinance yet, so.

50:41Do we want to do live voting or

50:42roll call. Are we OK for live?

50:43OK.

50:44We're OK for live voting. So if

50:45you vote yes, you're in favor of

50:46the amendment. If you vote no,

50:47you are not in favor of the

50:49voting, voting will now be open.

50:54Oh.

51:06We.

51:07So the motion fails, 54 without

51:10a majority vote.

51:11So now we have ordinance

51:172026-447.

51:17And it's original.

51:18Format.

51:19And we had a motion in the 2nd.

51:21Can I get a motion for the

51:22original format because yours

51:23was for the amendment, right?

51:24Your motion. So I'll make it a

51:27motion to second for the

51:28original ordinance. Any

51:29discussion on this?

51:30from the altars.

51:35Seeing none, the voting will now

51:37be open. All those in favor of

51:38the motion will vote yes. All

51:39those opposed will vote no.

51:50Oh,

51:50Yes.

51:53And the motion passes with 7

51:54voting yes, 2 voting no.

51:56The next item on the agenda will

52:00be item number 2026-448. An

52:03ordinance authorizing the

52:04purchase of 10 new Ford Explorer

52:06interceptors from Morrow

52:07Brothers Ford Inc. in an amount

52:10not to exceed $620,563.90 for

52:14the Springfield Police

52:15Department. The chair will

52:16entertain a motion to place

52:17agenda item number 2026-448 on

52:20final passage. We have a motion

52:21in a second. Any discussion on

52:23this particular ordinance.

52:24Alderwoman Notriano.

52:24Thank you, Mayor.

52:26Um, so.

52:30We're seeing a pattern here

52:30tonight.

52:31Um,

52:33And, and that's why I wanna talk

52:35about uh.

52:37Talk about the purchase of these

52:39vehicles. It it was never about

52:42the vehicles. It was about.

52:47Values and budget priorities.

52:49And transparency.

52:51Um,

52:54I have been asking for months to

52:57see the current account of the

52:59police budget.

53:01Is there a reason why?

53:04I.

53:05I am unable to see that

53:07information.

53:07I believe the budget director

53:09sent you an email with the

53:10budget line you were asking

53:11about, but right now we need to

53:12talk about the ordinance in

53:13front of us. Does this have to

53:14do with the ordinance in front

53:15of us?

53:17It, it does. Otherwise it would

53:19be new business or old business.

53:20Well well, I mean, it, it does

53:23have something to do with it, um

53:26, because the money in here.

53:31Is exactly what I was asking for

53:33, that I did not receive the

53:36portion of this that is coming

53:38from the corporate fund, the

53:40regular police budget, the

53:42non-grant money.

53:43Is what I was asking to see what

53:45had not been spent, and that was

53:47never provided to me.

53:50Excuses were.

53:52And so

53:56It's, it's a, yeah, it and, and

53:59I've never.

54:03was saying let's never buy

54:05another new police vehicle.

54:08Like

54:08I was just saying.

54:11The cost of 1.5 of these

54:15vehicles could purchase.

54:17A software that would benefit.

54:20The city as a whole, the

54:23community, and most importantly,

54:25the officers who are doing this

54:26hard work.

54:30What would deferring the

54:32purchase of one of these

54:35vehicles do if we, if we bought

54:389 instead of 10 into the next

54:40budget year and put that, put

54:41that additional explorer in the

54:42next budget year.

54:46Alderwoman, you have the ability

54:47to amend the ordinance if that's

54:48what you'd like to do.

54:49I, I'm, I'm not going to solve

54:51your problems.

54:55Um,

54:58I, I just would like to know,

55:00and, and I wanna make it

55:02perfectly clear to everyone here

55:04, I've been asking for

55:06information. I haven't been

55:07given information. I've been

55:09given excuses, and I've been

55:12stonewalled.

55:14And that is something that I

55:16want the record to reflect.

55:18Um,

55:20It, it looks like based on the

55:22conversation we've had here

55:23tonight and the conversation we

55:24had about the previous ordinance

55:26, it looks like there is a

55:30pattern in this administration

55:33of being avoidant to

55:36transparency.

55:36Trying to.

55:39Not examine our own data that

55:42the city creates that could be

55:45useful to us to improve

55:47processes.

55:48Um,

55:49I, I, I don't understand the

55:51resistance and the fear to, to

55:53looking at our data, um.

55:58I, I would like to think that

56:00there's nothing to hide.

56:03Um, but, but the resistance to

56:08transparency makes me really

56:10suspicious, um.

56:13Yeah, that.

56:17Let the record reflect. I'm

56:17going to vote for this. I

56:21support buying new Ford

56:23Explorers for the police, I, I,

56:25I support the police having

56:28New vehicles.

56:30I just don't know that.

56:33A new vehicle is the thing

56:36that's going to improve our

56:39officers' quality of life,

56:41ability to do their job and

56:43their relationship with their

56:44community.

56:44Thank you.

56:45Alderman Hannah.

56:46Order in the.

56:49Chambers, please. Alderman Hanna

56:50.

56:59Chief.

57:00Last week I asked you about how

57:01many cars we've

57:03Been down this year and

57:05I know you said you have, have

57:07the data. Could you

57:08You tell me how many cars we've

57:09taken out of service this year.

57:13Either through through accident

57:14or just end of life or. Yeah, so

57:16we've taken, uh, 2 out, um, 13

57:19were down due to carbon monoxide

57:21issues, uh, under the mayor's,

57:23uh, direction she wanted those

57:24out. We had an officer who got

57:27uh some sickness twice and um

57:29the liability wasn't worth worth

57:31it, uh, so we pulled all those

57:32cars and backlined them, um, and

57:34then we've had, uh, 7 that have

57:36been wrecked, 5 of those were

57:38wrecked, but they weren't

57:39wrecked to the point where they

57:40couldn't be repaired. They just

57:41weren't worth repairing.

57:42Because they were older, uh, and

57:43had a lot of miles on them, and

57:44then we had two that were a

57:45total loss.

57:47OK, again this is for 10, right?

57:49Have we, we have we replaced,

57:51how many others have we bought

57:53this year, do you know of? We've

57:54not bought any this year, so

57:55we've gotten rid of 20, but

57:56we're only getting 10. Correct.

57:58So we're still -10.

58:00All right, thank you.

58:02Alderman Williams. Yes, so this

58:04is interesting, chief. So.

58:06Last week he gave you a request

58:09for some information. You have

58:10it.

58:11But we got another alder woman.

58:13Who is saying she can't get her

58:16information. Why is that? Well,

58:17did, did she request to you the

58:20information? Did she requested

58:22to you, Ramona? Ramona sent her

58:23an email. I'll have Tim Griffin

58:25get it tomorrow. I'm asking

58:27Ramona not the mayor.

58:29Me aldermen, so you're

58:30interrupting. I have the ability

58:35questions.

58:35And let me ask my question. I

58:37have the floor. We go through

58:38this mirror all the time because

58:40you don't want me to ask the

58:43questions OK thank Thank you

58:47Ramon.

58:49Why have you not?

58:52Provided

58:52The other woman, the information

58:56sent it the the line that she

58:58that is needed for the the.

59:01You know, because I, I can feel

59:03what she's saying. She, you need

59:05to give her exactly what she

59:07wants, Chief, you should always

59:08give her exact we all gotta be

59:10treated the same.

59:12When this information were

59:15requesting.

59:15That some of y'all don't like or

59:16don't like the question or don't

59:18even wanna talk about, that's

59:20not your choice. We all gotta be

59:22treated the same. He just is a

59:23good example. I asked you this

59:25this week. He comes off, he

59:27rattles off. Normally me and

59:28Sean get, I gotta check on that

59:29for you. Well, let me look into

59:31that, you know, this stuff has

59:32to stop.

59:35He employee. He may be your

59:37friend, but when he's in this

59:38role, he is an employee, he

59:40should respond to her.

59:41We are constant. She is a mayor.

59:44I realize she has the floor. I

59:45can't wait till next week and do

59:46it.

59:47But my thing is I'm trying to be

59:49civil about this. But when I see

59:52unfairness, I'm gonna call it

59:53out.

59:54Now, I'm gonna say this, uh, uh,

59:57all the women I was still demand

1:00:00the information and make them

1:00:01give it to you because again,

1:00:03Sean's asking in his own way,

1:00:05information.

1:00:06They that the chief keeps

1:00:07wanting to say, oh, we got it on

1:00:09our way and this, the 7.

1:00:12Constructive votes right now

1:00:13that exist on this council, do

1:00:15what they always do. They got it

1:00:17through 5 to 4. OK, that's fair.

1:00:19I have to live with that because

1:00:20it ain't always be that way, but

1:00:23until we change that, we still

1:00:24gonna be treated fair up here.

1:00:27So I hope somebody gives her the

1:00:29information she wants, not what

1:00:31a certain line, if that was that

1:00:34the information you requested. I

1:00:35didn't think so. So ask again,

1:00:40put it in writing. I'm hoping

1:00:42that you will provide her with

1:00:44the information. Thank you.

1:00:46So let the record stay all the

1:00:47directors that are here, Chief

1:00:48of Staffleisley, send an email

1:00:49now. I put Tim Griffin on it.

1:00:51Any question an alderman has,

1:00:52the answer will go to Tim

1:00:54Griffin directly. None of you

1:00:55will get answers directly

1:00:56anymore, so you'll all get them

1:00:57together.

1:00:57Tim Wilson, and then all of you

1:00:59together. So every question you

1:01:00have will go through Tim. Order

1:01:02in the.

1:01:03Chambers.

1:01:05All the questions will go

1:01:06through Tim and all the elder

1:01:07persons will get all the answers

1:01:09. That way it's fair and

1:01:11equitable.

1:01:11Thank you.

1:01:13Alderwoman Noriano.

1:01:15Thank you. I

1:01:18I asked for.

1:01:21The entire police budget.

1:01:25As expended to.

1:01:26The date of the email.

1:01:29And that day kept getting moved

1:01:32months and months out, um, and

1:01:36Director Metzger did send me,

1:01:39this is the budget line that we

1:01:41would need to draw from and

1:01:44currently.

1:01:45That's all the funds are, are

1:01:47currently used. Of course they

1:01:48are. We've been through budget.

1:01:52And I replied to everyone on

1:01:54that email and said.

1:01:56Of course it is. What I'm

1:01:59looking for is everything we've

1:02:02spent and everything we have yet

1:02:04to spend so that perhaps I can

1:02:06find.

1:02:08I don't know $400,000 for.

1:02:13Ford Explorers and direct some

1:02:15of that money into.

1:02:19The program that would benefit

1:02:21the whole city.

1:02:22Um, I, I was never given that

1:02:25information. Old woman purchased

1:02:28last week asked Director Metzger

1:02:30if that information was

1:02:32contained in her budget.

1:02:33Director Musker's budget

1:02:35presentation that she did a

1:02:36couple of weeks ago, and she

1:02:37said that it was. So it's still

1:02:40unclear to me why that

1:02:42information has not been given

1:02:43to me. And that friends, is why

1:02:47I'm talking about a whole other

1:02:50policy, uh, decision.

1:02:52When we should be talking about

1:02:54Ford Explorers.

1:02:56Thank you.

1:02:58Alderman Hanauer.

1:02:59Thank you. um.

1:03:03Last week I asked in front of

1:03:05everybody, I ask them for the,

1:03:06for the data, and he brought it

1:03:07up. That's, that's, I mean.

1:03:09That's when I wanted it.

1:03:12And, and so, uh, I don't, I

1:03:13don't know what the,

1:03:16The deal is with it, um.

1:03:19You know, everybody heard me ask

1:03:20him.

1:03:21It was no secret

1:03:23And uh you know, and the other

1:03:24thing I do wanna, I do wanna say

1:03:27.

1:03:27Older woman that

1:03:29Last week you said that the

1:03:31software that that you want is

1:03:33sole sourced. I've, I've had

1:03:34people reach out to me and say

1:03:35they, they did a quick search.

1:03:38There's 6 competing companies on

1:03:39this software.

1:03:40So it's got to go out for RFP.

1:03:42It's got to go through the whole

1:03:44channel. It cannot be sole

1:03:46sourced. You're breaking our

1:03:48procurement rules. We have rules

1:03:49for a reason. The thing you

1:03:50can't just passed.

1:03:53You said it was.

1:03:56You were lying to us. I am not

1:03:59lying to anyone.

1:04:02My point is.

1:04:05Whatever if if you want to bring

1:04:07this to uh if you want to bring

1:04:08it to the staff.

1:04:10And it's uh again, it's up to

1:04:11the mayor whether they are and

1:04:13the chief if they wanna move

1:04:15forward with that particular

1:04:16software and where, where the

1:04:17money comes from.

1:04:20That's their decision. We passed

1:04:21the budget. That's all we can do

1:04:23.

1:04:23They can move money around. They

1:04:24can do whatever they want.

1:04:27That's a, that's the

1:04:28administration. That's the hard

1:04:29adminis that, that's the hard

1:04:31facts about this strong mayor.

1:04:34And but to come up here and say

1:04:36that, oh this is sole sourced

1:04:38and you know dang well it was

1:04:40not sole source. We would have

1:04:42been breaking our procurement

1:04:44laws, and that is not something

1:04:46we should be trying to do up

1:04:47here.

1:04:48Thank you.

1:04:50Alderman Williams is your button

1:04:51pushed or is that your old one?

1:04:53OK, sorry, I didn't know you for

1:04:56acknowledging me.

1:04:57Um,

1:04:58Oh I mean

1:05:00I'm trying to be calm. Alderman

1:05:03Hanauer, no one was acting like

1:05:04it was a secret. I refer that

1:05:06you ask the question last week.

1:05:08I know there's no secrets up

1:05:12here. What's secret is that the

1:05:14differences in how he didn't it

1:05:15feel good getting an answer?

1:05:18This time, he come back, he gave

1:05:19you everything you needed to

1:05:21know.

1:05:21That's all she want is the same

1:05:23thing, and she's been asking for

1:05:25weeks.

1:05:26That's the difference.

1:05:28Don't make her a bad person

1:05:31cause she ask questions about

1:05:33information that you don't want

1:05:34the public to know.

1:05:36Oh.

1:05:37Because the public deserves to

1:05:38know. We have to ask.

1:05:40Here because all the secrecy, if

1:05:43anybody's doing secrets like the

1:05:44planet 7 votes, 5 votes,

1:05:46whatever it was.

1:05:48You guys need to get it together

1:05:50.

1:05:51You know, it ain't us playing,

1:05:53it's you guys playing. We're

1:05:54trying to be transparent, trying

1:05:56to use true information with

1:05:58Sean asked for was true

1:06:00information. You didn't want the

1:06:01true information. You just

1:06:02wanted to the bad.

1:06:05Information that's gonna show

1:06:06the the east side.

1:06:08For whatever reason, oh, you

1:06:09ain't gotta got to talk about

1:06:11that it was false or that it was

1:06:13reclassified, none of that, just

1:06:14, just give them the shots fired

1:06:16and let them look like they look

1:06:17. No.

1:06:20We're gonna resist until we get

1:06:22accurate information. You you

1:06:23could have passed that that

1:06:24amendment. It didn't hurt

1:06:25nothing. Chief said he halfway

1:06:27doing it already, putting it on

1:06:28a transparent. So that's where

1:06:30all this emotion is coming from,

1:06:31and then we got an all woman

1:06:33that says she's been asking for

1:06:35weeks.

1:06:35For weeks,

1:06:38And she can't get her

1:06:40information to her.

1:06:41And it's and and and it's, it's

1:06:43not science. Just do the right

1:06:45thing sometimes. Yeah, you got

1:06:46the majority right now.

1:06:48Thank you.

1:06:51Alderman Gregory? No, I, you,

1:06:52you know, this topic came up

1:06:53last week and, you know, I, when

1:06:55I get disappointed, and I'll say

1:06:57it in mind when, when, when

1:06:59certain individuals of this

1:07:00council ask questions or ask for

1:07:03information. It's very hard to

1:07:04get it and, and you know, I.

1:07:07you know, it seems like it's,

1:07:08it's, it's, it's definitely, you

1:07:10know, we're used to it, but what

1:07:12I've noticed with, with, with,

1:07:14with all the women know Toronto

1:07:15was.

1:07:16You fellas like to the mansplain

1:07:18her.

1:07:19Y'all, y'all like to jump on her

1:07:22and get back with her and, and

1:07:24you do and y'all do that.

1:07:26Y'all do that with her and we

1:07:27shouldn't do that. She, she

1:07:28should ask, ask her questions

1:07:31she can ask her questions and we

1:07:32can respond to them, but we

1:07:34ain't gotta respond to them so

1:07:36demeaning and and and talking

1:07:38down to folks like that that's

1:07:39that's that's where we.

1:07:41What we get into that, right?

1:07:43You know, our, our, our issue

1:07:45was you raise your voice at me,

1:07:46I raised it back, right.

1:07:48Uh, if ordinances out at the

1:07:52lake.

1:07:53Or if I come out and ask for a

1:07:55sidewalk on Park Street for

1:07:57those new apartments because

1:07:57that that's what was supposed to

1:07:59happen with those new apartments

1:08:00out there y'all be looking at me

1:08:02crazy.

1:08:02If I said it all.

1:08:03Property needs to be

1:08:06Public at the lake all those

1:08:08clubs out there because I was in

1:08:09the meeting and that's what it

1:08:10was said.

1:08:11State officials look like what?

1:08:14That's discrimination.

1:08:17But we'll go on to that if I, if

1:08:18I.

1:08:20Call Max Shearer and say, hey.

1:08:22We'll put an ordinance in place.

1:08:23I'll be disrespectful.

1:08:25Why?

1:08:26I'd be wrong.

1:08:27You wouldn't like that.

1:08:31But that's what y'all do to me

1:08:32all the time.

1:08:36Anything but police, anything

1:08:38with unhoused, anything.

1:08:40That we really don't need in our

1:08:42community.

1:08:43Or maybe not want.

1:08:46But the good thing I always

1:08:47gotta fight.

1:08:49Cab nice908 it's been over six

1:08:51hours talking about Camp 1908.

1:08:53All the good things that we

1:08:54wanna do to make that job easier

1:08:57we gotta go through hours and

1:08:59hours of explanation.

1:09:00So that's where the.

1:09:03Frustration comes in and I'm oh

1:09:05I'm so proud of myself because I

1:09:06really could be tripping up here

1:09:08.

1:09:11But

1:09:11Y'all gotta know y'all ain't the

1:09:13smartest people in the room all

1:09:15the time, right? There's other

1:09:17people who can read and write.

1:09:20Around this horseshoe.

1:09:27Don't you agree? Do you agree?

1:09:32No, you can sit down, sir.

1:09:34check.

1:09:36a

1:09:36It's all good. It's all good.

1:09:40fighting you're Sir, the

1:09:43alderman has the floor.

1:09:45I feel you, Alderman Gregory has

1:09:47the floor. I just, I just wanna

1:09:49reiterate that, that, that you

1:09:50know when we're outside of here

1:09:52we just all turning our petition

1:09:54everybody hey, hi, shaking hands

1:09:55and stuff, and that's just how I

1:09:56am. But if y'all don't like us,

1:09:57don't say nothing to me. Don't

1:09:59shake my hand. Don't play with

1:10:00me.

1:10:01Because I won't say nothing to

1:10:02you. I'll walk right past you

1:10:05like you don't exist if we're

1:10:06gonna get up here and act brand

1:10:08new and we're gonna get up here

1:10:10and be Republicans and Democrats

1:10:12.

1:10:12And then be like oh it's

1:10:14nonpartisan no be who you are,

1:10:16be, be Republicans. We're gonna

1:10:18be Democrats and then you two

1:10:19got to figure out what y'all

1:10:21gonna do.

1:10:23And that's it.

1:10:23Thank you, have a good day.

1:10:25older woman, no Trio.

1:10:28Thank you, Mayor. um, so

1:10:31Alderman Hanauer, I, I don't

1:10:33whisper up. Don't whisper.

1:10:36Speak up Alderman Hanauer, I

1:10:37don't, I don't know when the

1:10:38last time you read the

1:10:40procurement code, or, I'm sorry.

1:10:45Our city code was and the

1:10:47section on sole source

1:10:49procurement, um, but it does not

1:10:53anywhere say that no one else

1:10:55can offer an item.

1:10:58For it to be sole source.

1:11:01What it says is a supply service

1:11:05or construction item without

1:11:07competition can be awarded.

1:11:09Under regulations promulgated by

1:11:11the purchasing agent. The

1:11:13purchasing agent determines in

1:11:15writing that there is only one

1:11:17source for the required supplies

1:11:18, service, blah, blah blah blah

1:11:19bla blah. um.

1:11:21I, I don't really, do you have

1:11:23experience in procurement.

1:11:25Well, I, I don't understand

1:11:28where you're coming from because

1:11:31the whole point of saying that

1:11:33something is sole source is so

1:11:37the procuring entity can get

1:11:40what specifically meets their

1:11:42specs. It does not mean that

1:11:45there is no other provider of

1:11:48that.

1:11:50Roofing system or that uh.

1:11:52I don't know, um, elevator, it

1:11:57means that they want that

1:11:59specific thing, because it fits

1:12:00within the parameters of their

1:12:02project.

1:12:03So, and if you go to the website

1:12:06for benchmark, it says that they

1:12:09are often procured via sole

1:12:11source, and I mentioned last

1:12:14week that if we want to.

1:12:17Uh.

1:12:19Know that this was competitively

1:12:22bid, it was competitively bid.

1:12:24Through the federal government,

1:12:26and we have access to purchase

1:12:29using the GSA. So don't come to

1:12:33me with your expertise or or

1:12:35your condescension. You're, this

1:12:37is what I do every day in and

1:12:39out. You're not, you're not

1:12:40gonna win this argument, OK, so

1:12:43figure out a different argument

1:12:44of why you don't want benchmark

1:12:47analytics. Why you don't want.

1:12:49Early intervention for our

1:12:52officers.

1:12:52Tell me.

1:12:53We would love to hear it.

1:12:56Cause you bring.

1:12:58Thank you, Mayor. Any other

1:13:01discussion on 2026-448.

1:13:04Seeing none, the voting will now

1:13:05be open. All those in favor of

1:13:06the voting vote yes. All those

1:13:07in favor of the motion will vote

1:13:08no.

1:13:11Yeah.

1:13:14like.

1:13:15And the motion.

1:13:19Are we, is everyone

1:13:20Oh.

1:13:23But it's, I'm a yes, this thing

1:13:24is there we go. It says he's

1:13:26registered. Are we all OK?

1:13:28Read this.

1:13:30The motion passes with 7 voting

1:13:32yes, 1 voting no, and one voting

1:13:34present.

1:13:38Is there any unfinished business

1:13:40to come before the council.

1:13:42Alderman Williams, you have

1:13:44unfinished business. Yeah, my

1:13:46unfinished business is the

1:13:47animal control. Where are we at

1:13:48on that?

1:13:50Uh, I would need to ask if of

1:13:52staff has been meeting with them

1:13:53so he can, do you want him to

1:13:54answer that, sir?

1:13:56Where are we at with animal

1:13:57control.

1:13:58I've got micro.

1:14:01Yeah. Can you hear me? Yes.

1:14:05We received data back.

1:14:09From

1:14:09Sangamon County that was for.

1:14:12Last year, excuse me, last

1:14:14year's services rendered.

1:14:15We got that

1:14:16About 2 weeks ago.

1:14:19We then put it in towards.

1:14:23Using uh Riley Potts in Public

1:14:26works.

1:14:26So right now we're working to

1:14:28generate an ordinance.

1:14:30Uh,

1:14:32For

1:14:32Consideration to get them paid

1:14:33at the same time.

1:14:35We will

1:14:38Post

1:14:42A

1:14:42Meeting at the library to go

1:14:44along with that, to inform the

1:14:46public on uh what animal control

1:14:49does and where the lines are.

1:14:50Well, well, I'm speaking to

1:14:52contract though.

1:14:53Uh, the I've been waiting months

1:14:56while we're talking about

1:14:57waiting days and weeks. I, over

1:14:59a year, I've been asking about

1:15:01animal control.

1:15:02Sure.

1:15:03So, and we got a strong mayor,

1:15:05I've been told. So I wanna know,

1:15:08uh, what, what are we doing

1:15:10besides them giving us a bill

1:15:12for what they rendered over the

1:15:13last year. The negotiation piece

1:15:15, the contract piece, when is

1:15:18that coming to us? Greg has

1:15:20mentioned since when?

1:15:21What's the date?

1:15:23They of the contract is from.

1:15:27fiscal year

1:15:3227, right, so March.

1:15:35One of last year to February

1:15:37twenty-sixth of this year, and

1:15:39then it continues on up until

1:15:40now, so we're not gonna do a new

1:15:42contract. We're just gonna keep

1:15:43doing this.

1:15:46No, there will be a new, a new

1:15:49contract coming forward contract

1:15:50expired on what day, sir?

1:15:52February twenty-eighth.

1:15:54For the services rendered, but

1:15:57it's February twenty-eighth of

1:15:57what year? This year.

1:15:59Of this year. So all these

1:16:02months have been no movement,

1:16:04but just letting them give us

1:16:05bill as if

1:16:06No, sir.

1:16:08So I'm asking when is that gonna

1:16:09be completed?

1:16:11To where we are voting on a new

1:16:14contract because I got things

1:16:16that they don't do now that I

1:16:17think they should be doing.

1:16:20I got things that I want them to

1:16:21explain about wildlife.

1:16:24I got poor citizens that they

1:16:25are telling to trap.

1:16:27Oh, but before you trap, you

1:16:30gotta go give DNR $250. These

1:16:32are things I can't get fixed

1:16:34through the state or whatever

1:16:36till I know it clearly what

1:16:37we're doing.

1:16:38This is the public meeting that

1:16:40he's saying we're going to have

1:16:41so that the public can learn.

1:16:42And I'm happy to have a

1:16:45conversation with you right now,

1:16:46what are, what are we to do?

1:16:49Wait another so many months

1:16:50until you schedule your public

1:16:51meeting and do all that, we will

1:16:53have it scheduled within the

1:16:54month.

1:16:54Well,

1:16:56I think I was told something

1:16:57similar way back when it expired

1:17:00. In February.

1:17:01When you, when we sat down in

1:17:03the mayor's office and had

1:17:05conversations with all of you.

1:17:07On what you wanted, you all you

1:17:10wanted reporting data from your

1:17:12wards. We had to work to get

1:17:13that from the Simon County's

1:17:15vendor.

1:17:16Simon County got that to us.

1:17:19About 2 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago

1:17:21February to 2 weeks ago. It took

1:17:23them that long to get you that

1:17:25information on the 10 wharves.

1:17:26I'm not arguing that. Yes, it

1:17:28did.

1:17:28You know, I, I, I think this is

1:17:31ridiculous and this is just

1:17:33another example of we'll do

1:17:35certain things real fast when it

1:17:37comes to police and fire in

1:17:38particularly you guys already

1:17:39know how I feel about that, but

1:17:41for the service to the people,

1:17:43we, we can drag our feet.

1:17:45We can just take our time and

1:17:47just, you know, well, that's not

1:17:49really that, but it's very

1:17:51important to people seeing the

1:17:53groundhogs, the raccoons, um,

1:17:55all, all the different things

1:17:56running around were infested

1:17:58over there on the east side. We

1:17:59have no plan.

1:18:01And, and, and all you can tell

1:18:02me is well now we're gonna have

1:18:04a public meeting. Then what

1:18:05happens after the ***? When are

1:18:06we gonna be able to vote on the

1:18:09contract and require them to do

1:18:10some things or take a look at

1:18:13other options if they can't

1:18:14provide us the type of animal

1:18:19control I'm running the meeting.

1:18:20I know, but that don't give you

1:18:23permission just to just

1:18:25interrupt cause you don't allow

1:18:26nobody else to do it does allow

1:18:29questions. The last time the

1:18:30contract.

1:18:30Went out.

1:18:32Alderman, we went out for RFP

1:18:34before we.

1:18:35We signed with.

1:18:37With Sangamon County again.

1:18:38And we received no bids.

1:18:40I know that that was right when

1:18:42I uh came in.

1:18:43So you came back and told us

1:18:45that.

1:18:45So I'm gonna finish my statement

1:18:47, Alderman, I want to finish my

1:18:49statement because I come back

1:18:51and report that to the council.

1:18:52I'm gonna finish my statement.

1:18:54We're going to have a public

1:18:55meeting, then we'll bring the

1:18:57ordinance forward so that the

1:18:58public meeting can happen first.

1:19:00Then we will bring the ordinance

1:19:03forward. We met with each of you

1:19:04so that we could find out what

1:19:06you wanted from this contract,

1:19:07and that's what we've been

1:19:08working through with Sangamon

1:19:09County. We listened to the

1:19:10aldermen. Now we're going to

1:19:11have a public meeting with the

1:19:13community can come in. They can

1:19:16voice concerns, ideas, uh,

1:19:17whatever, and then we can bring

1:19:19the ordinance forward. The

1:19:21previous purchasing agent did

1:19:22put out an RFP for other

1:19:24services, and we got no

1:19:25responses. So that's where we're

1:19:26at.

1:19:28Well, well, I'll just say that

1:19:31meeting that I'm remembering was

1:19:32quite a while ago, and I just

1:19:35don't feel this administration

1:19:37is moving at their own like

1:19:38we've moved so many other things

1:19:39along quickly.

1:19:40We have to just take things

1:19:42serious, even if we don't like

1:19:44it.

1:19:44That we may change from

1:19:46Chamblain County. I believe

1:19:47that's what's behind this. This

1:19:49stalling and taking our time.

1:19:50But in the meantime, our people

1:19:53suffer because your friends get

1:19:54to keep the contract and make

1:19:56the money and provide no service

1:19:59.

1:19:59We need to think about that, but

1:20:00there will be some new faces.

1:20:03And maybe we'll get somewhere.

1:20:04Thank you, man. Alderman Gregory

1:20:07, uh, yes, on, uh, one thing on

1:20:08the animal control thing I will

1:20:11say I was out um just before

1:20:13coming here, um, and, and, uh,

1:20:15was viewing a lot that needs to

1:20:17get cut they called in and and.

1:20:19The, the groundhogs.

1:20:22They're bad, they're bad, so I,

1:20:24I think you know within that

1:20:25bill I don't know if I, I

1:20:27mentioned that when we talked or

1:20:30whatever but um that is an issue

1:20:32and it is getting bigger. I mean

1:20:34this thing it ran me off. I, I,

1:20:35I, I turned and, and, and went

1:20:37away and saw video. It was a big

1:20:39fella and you know at first I

1:20:40seen this hole and I seen him

1:20:41coming home he must have heard

1:20:44me, but uh it it it's getting

1:20:45bigger and then somebody's seen

1:20:46that and they, they called me

1:20:48about their mother's house who's

1:20:49older and they're digging around

1:20:50the foundation and that's

1:20:52concerned.

1:20:52And you know I remember some

1:20:54years ago, um, I got a call from

1:20:57that from from you know uh

1:20:59another place in the city and

1:21:00and you know it wasn't really an

1:21:01issue you know over on the east

1:21:04side then I had never seen one

1:21:06before but I'm seeing them all

1:21:08the time everywhere they are

1:21:09really, really, really starting

1:21:10to take over our city it's not

1:21:11just, you know, wildlife issue

1:21:12and you know and and but they

1:21:14are really really really

1:21:15starting to be just like cats

1:21:17and and and and dogs in our city

1:21:19, but I, I, I, I'm allergic to

1:21:21cats, but I don't.

1:21:22have no problem with them.

1:21:23Um,

1:21:28Oh gosh, crazy. That's I, may I

1:21:30make a suggestion? We'll make

1:21:31sure at the open house and the

1:21:33meeting that we have specific

1:21:36information about groundhogs.

1:21:37Would that be helpful for you,

1:21:39for your constituents as well,

1:21:40and I, you know, my, I, I press

1:21:42my button to touch on the the

1:21:43side of properties thing as as

1:21:45as I um spoke to Alderman

1:21:48Carlson. I've been thinking

1:21:49about this side of properties

1:21:50and I know every time we have an

1:21:51issue or whatever we speak on

1:21:53that and we bring that up on how

1:21:54we have it and and and in review

1:21:56.

1:21:56of that you know I think some of

1:21:58the things that and I, I did

1:22:00send, uh, Murdoch a um.

1:22:04email uh of a proposed ordinance

1:22:06and I, and I look forward to

1:22:06talking it over with you guys,

1:22:08but one of the things for those

1:22:09people who make it to the side

1:22:10of properties, um.

1:22:13Is is is that, of course, being

1:22:15inspected before they can occupy

1:22:17it, uh, but also the trash and

1:22:20grass since we got them, they're

1:22:21on the side of the property, um.

1:22:23Going forward, those properties

1:22:25need to handle the trash and

1:22:27grass.

1:22:27Put it in the rant.

1:22:29Nobody's running it anyway, so

1:22:30it'll be their option to pay a

1:22:31little more if they want it or

1:22:33not because you know.

1:22:34What, what, what I'm.

1:22:37Exhausted in doing.

1:22:39Um, it is dealing with these bad

1:22:41houses and and in these

1:22:42situations. So as we get them,

1:22:44as they qualify for the scited

1:22:46properties list rather than just

1:22:47have them listed, you know, when

1:22:49they go back on the market.

1:22:51For rental.

1:22:52Trash.

1:22:54And grass, that's that's, that's

1:22:56one of the key things, um, um in

1:22:58that in that, um, um.

1:23:01Uh, ordinance, um, to do an

1:23:04update uh that side of

1:23:05properties, um, because a list

1:23:06is fine, but if we don't have

1:23:08any action attached to it, um,

1:23:09it really means nothing but just

1:23:10a list, um.

1:23:12But those homes I mean and slide

1:23:14up in as well, you know, um, um,

1:23:16and this is his own business.

1:23:18But, um.

1:23:21Our habitat for humanity are

1:23:22large pickup, you know, Peoria,

1:23:23we always like to bring up other

1:23:24cities and what they do well

1:23:26with Peoria has a weekly trash

1:23:29uh uh large item pickup and I

1:23:31know our contract is coming I

1:23:32believe in 27 Murdoch, you can

1:23:34look at that, uh, in 27 for

1:23:38renegotiation and you know I

1:23:39would be willing um to to

1:23:41definitely support more funding

1:23:42to Habitat so they can go around

1:23:43a little more frequently and and

1:23:46and and we're we're our citizens

1:23:47instead of calling, uh, you know

1:23:49, two separate times for 3.

1:23:50Different things at one time for

1:23:536 different items, um, they can

1:23:54just set it out there with the

1:23:55trash and, and they'll be coming

1:23:57together instead of going all

1:23:58over the city fly dumping it

1:24:00everywhere and then you know my

1:24:02frustration rises with public

1:24:03works on their inability to get

1:24:04it, uh, quickly.

1:24:06Um, and, and, and, you know, uh.

1:24:08As we're chipping away and

1:24:09trying to make our city better,

1:24:10that's one of the things, side

1:24:12of properties and, and guess

1:24:13what, this, this is not my first

1:24:16conversation I've had

1:24:17conversation with other people

1:24:18about health, life safety

1:24:21violations and, and, and, uh,

1:24:22when those do occur in those

1:24:24houses so many times and how we

1:24:26really need to clamp down on

1:24:27those so I just wanted to touch

1:24:29on that because I, I, I know the

1:24:30mayor said she would work with

1:24:31me on that. I know you've been

1:24:32busy, so as I, but we have not

1:24:34been able to talk about that um

1:24:36but I have put a lot of thought

1:24:37into it, um.

1:24:39As my ward 2800 complaints and

1:24:43growing, um, you know, you, you

1:24:45might have all the rentals, but

1:24:46I got all the complaints, so, um

1:24:48,

1:24:48I look forward to working on it.

1:24:49Thank you.

1:24:51Alderman, thank you for bringing

1:24:52up sighted properties, um,

1:24:54For the record, once those

1:24:57owners land on that list because

1:24:59it's always the owners. They get

1:25:00the luxury of being on there for

1:25:02at least a year, so they will

1:25:03not come off there even if that

1:25:04property gets better. They get

1:25:05to stay out there for a year.

1:25:08That's part of the ordinance. Um

1:25:09, so those who may be looking,

1:25:11because it could be your

1:25:12personal property, it could be

1:25:13commercial property, it could be

1:25:14any kind of property, but they

1:25:15will stay there for a year, but

1:25:17you've opened up the opportunity

1:25:18and I would like corporation

1:25:19counsel to speak to this because

1:25:21a lot of citizens ask about this

1:25:23, and the sighted properties,

1:25:26Process is a part of that, is

1:25:27that owners, once we start going

1:25:30after them for a property that's

1:25:33not been maintained properly,

1:25:35owners do have rights, and

1:25:37sometimes folks don't realize

1:25:38how long of a period that time

1:25:40frame would take for us to even

1:25:43land them on that scited

1:25:44property list. So, could you

1:25:46please just walk everyone

1:25:47through a short synopsis of

1:25:49How a a person.

1:25:51The court processes that take

1:25:52place. Sure, so, um, so for that

1:25:55particular process we have to uh

1:25:57.

1:25:58Have an inspector go out to to

1:26:00find the violations at the

1:26:01property we have to cite those

1:26:03violations if we get 3 against

1:26:04the property, then it goes on

1:26:06that list and then if an owner

1:26:07has 3 different properties on

1:26:08that list and all of theirs have

1:26:10to go on that list um it took us

1:26:13, it took us time internally to

1:26:15get the inspectors to go out and

1:26:17then when they put it in our

1:26:18system called City Works for it

1:26:20to trigger a whole new complaint

1:26:23system, um, and then so we have

1:26:25to go through due process once

1:26:26to get those violations on and

1:26:27then they.

1:26:29Go through again a.

1:26:32Whole separate wholly separate

1:26:33from our administrative court

1:26:35but more summary proceeding on

1:26:37going on to the sight of

1:26:38properties list, um, so it took

1:26:39us a while to get that process

1:26:41in order, but now we have it and

1:26:42we are cycling through and we're

1:26:44seeing more people being added

1:26:45to the list, but they still have

1:26:46the right to appeal. I think

1:26:48that's the part I think everyone

1:26:49needs to understand. Yeah, yeah,

1:26:50so if, if we take judgment and

1:26:52administrative court, they can

1:26:54still appeal to circuit court,

1:26:55uh, so they have 35 days to

1:26:56bring it to circuit court, and

1:26:58then we have to move to enforce

1:27:00it.

1:27:01Circuit court and then um again

1:27:02they have appeal rights if we

1:27:04bring it to uh to the side of

1:27:06properties court they can appeal

1:27:09that within within 35 days, um,

1:27:10but by the time we have it there

1:27:12, we have 3 judgments against

1:27:13them, so we haven't lost an

1:27:14appeal.

1:27:16Issue, but they can still drag

1:27:17it out a little bit.

1:27:18And I think you and I both think

1:27:19that there should be more people

1:27:20on there, but that appeal

1:27:22process to the statutory level

1:27:23is what takes that so much

1:27:25longer. So thank you for

1:27:26bringing that up.

1:27:26I understand that. I, I just,

1:27:28you know, just want to put a

1:27:29little more, uh.

1:27:31Teeth in in our side of the

1:27:33property I think that if you

1:27:34make it to that you just explain

1:27:36how extensive it is to even get

1:27:38to that list, and I think if you

1:27:39made it to that list you have um

1:27:42demonstrated that you you're not

1:27:43the best property owners, you

1:27:44know, I'm working on my language

1:27:45. Thank you.

1:27:46Ps, but, um.

1:27:48And, and, and before that, that

1:27:51property goes back onto the

1:27:52market for somebody to stay and

1:27:55obviously um you know trash and

1:27:56grass is a big, big, big, big

1:27:58issue. We talk about that a lot

1:28:00of times, um, we still have to

1:28:02send out an inspector contrary

1:28:04to to belief, um.

1:28:06Uh, even though we have this,

1:28:07this, this, uh, new ordinance

1:28:09that that that we can, you know,

1:28:11just automatically cut these

1:28:12lots but we're still sending the

1:28:13inspectors out to look at, look

1:28:15at the house or whatever the

1:28:16case may be so it's not

1:28:18automatic it's sort of not not

1:28:20not catching so I think going

1:28:21forward as we grow this this

1:28:23this side of properties list, um

1:28:25, those who make it there.

1:28:28They've, they've obviously um um

1:28:30failed to do their their their

1:28:31their thing, um, and, uh, you

1:28:33know, I look forward to talking

1:28:34on the overall orders.

1:28:36Thank you, Alderman.

1:28:38All of them purchase. Thank you,

1:28:40Sean pressed the button a few

1:28:41minutes after me so I echo what

1:28:43he said about Groundhogs because

1:28:44I got 2 in my yard right now and

1:28:47as you all know, a few years ago

1:28:49I had learned through uh our

1:28:52former alderwoman Kristen

1:28:54Desenso on how to go and fill

1:28:55out the permit because animal

1:28:57control wouldn't come out to

1:28:58help me and I had 4 of them in

1:28:59my yard at that time.

1:29:01So they had to teach me how to

1:29:02do the uh the permit and how

1:29:04many days I had to catch a

1:29:06groundhog and then to take it

1:29:08over to animal control and they

1:29:09had an issue with pulling it out

1:29:11the back of my pickup truck.

1:29:12In the cage.

1:29:13So I'm glad we're gonna have

1:29:15this open discussion and the,

1:29:17the town hall meeting or at the

1:29:19library and then I wanted to

1:29:20move into director Fuchs.

1:29:22I have a few questions for you.

1:29:23Do you need the director to come

1:29:25up.

1:29:30I

1:29:31So I know that we've been um

1:29:33dealing with our parking meters

1:29:34and I've been hearing from our

1:29:36businesses downtown and they're

1:29:38just noticing that some areas

1:29:39the parking meters have been

1:29:41removed and just wanting to know

1:29:43a status update on how many has

1:29:44been removed, where we at and

1:29:46when will it be completed, if

1:29:48you have some of that. Uh, just

1:29:50a few of the, uh, uh, some of

1:29:53the data that we've collected,

1:29:54uh, July of this year, uh, 2026

1:29:58we started removing it. Now the

1:30:00crew that we use are.

1:30:02two individuals who are

1:30:04associated with um folks who

1:30:07Parking violations and write

1:30:08those. They are the, uh, it's

1:30:09just the crew that goes around

1:30:12and whenever people request no

1:30:14parking for an event or a

1:30:16contractor's going to be working

1:30:17somewhere, especially downtown,

1:30:19uh, this is the crew that that

1:30:21places those uh those no parking

1:30:22, uh.

1:30:24Covers so when they are not

1:30:25doing that and as we all know

1:30:26we've had many, many events in

1:30:28the course of the summer

1:30:29starting really in the spring.

1:30:31So that's, that's really their

1:30:33primary function when they are

1:30:34not doing that, they are, uh,

1:30:36removing the uh

1:30:38Parking meters.

1:30:40Started on the.

1:30:42Outside, uh.

1:30:44Area of downtown because these

1:30:45are the

1:30:46People were parking there less.

1:30:47It's easier to access them.

1:30:49And uh it would uh disrupt fewer

1:30:52fewer people that were parking.

1:30:53So we started that in July.

1:30:55Uh, we've, uh, accomplished

1:30:57removing them on about 40 blocks

1:31:00.

1:31:00Uh, from outside in.

1:31:03We're doing about 2 blocks per

1:31:04week we'll be able to work an

1:31:07entire week we can get through 2

1:31:09blocks, as I said, it's a

1:31:11two-man crew, uh, certainly we

1:31:14would entertain specific

1:31:15requests if you have a business

1:31:18or an entity that's creating

1:31:21particular problem if you let us

1:31:22know, we can certainly deal with

1:31:23that, uh, that first, uh, this

1:31:25is also the same crew that's

1:31:26gonna be putting up all the

1:31:29holiday lighting and and all

1:31:30those sorts of things so we're

1:31:31working our way through it.

1:31:33Um,

1:31:33You know, we hope to be done

1:31:36before the cold weather goes,

1:31:37but uh we're, we're addressing

1:31:38it as, as we have the time.

1:31:40And um you made a very good

1:31:42point because people at the

1:31:44Capitol had noticed how over in

1:31:46front of like the automobile

1:31:48association knows meters was

1:31:49removed, but then in front of uh

1:31:51booms, they were still up so

1:31:52they were like well when is this

1:31:54coming up? Does the same rules

1:31:56apply across the street because

1:31:57those meters had got removed but

1:31:59it's still like meters out here

1:32:00for downtown. So I think maybe

1:32:02can you help me with some

1:32:04communication to kinda push out

1:32:06for that type of information and

1:32:08then secondly, um, the striping.

1:32:10Could you please

1:32:10helped me with striping because

1:32:12the parking meters at first

1:32:13would indicate where you needed

1:32:15to stop for parking. Now it's

1:32:17just kinda a little bit of crazy

1:32:21parking going on that is an

1:32:22issue that we're dealing with uh

1:32:24all over downtown folks uh

1:32:26aren't paying a whole lot of

1:32:29attention the meters are removed

1:32:30, but then they're like can

1:32:31Kesha, can you get some of the

1:32:32squares put back in so people

1:32:34know specifically where to park

1:32:35in it a certain amount of cars

1:32:37could still fit within that

1:32:39block radius refreshed.

1:32:41Yes. Do you anticipate us trying

1:32:43to do that maybe in the spring

1:32:45as we're removing the meters

1:32:47it's not a good idea to do it in

1:32:49cold weather. OK. So like summer

1:32:51.

1:32:51Well, I won't say, I won't say,

1:32:53I will step in because this is

1:32:55something that I have been

1:32:56talking about to Nate Bottom and

1:32:58DJ Heavy side. So, um, directly

1:33:00I didn't put Director folks in

1:33:01it because that's.

1:33:04Traffic enforcement through TJ.

1:33:05So, um, yes, we will be

1:33:06repainting them, um, in the

1:33:07spring, and you said the spring,

1:33:08so that would be correct, yeah,

1:33:10you are correct. And that was it

1:33:11, director.

1:33:12Thank you for the update.

1:33:15And, and lastly, not for you,

1:33:18director, just up here around

1:33:19the horseshoe, um, you all know,

1:33:21like I try to really work with

1:33:24everyone, um, never really felt

1:33:25a disrespect, but I have noticed

1:33:27a little bit of a pattern and I

1:33:29know we're coming into an

1:33:31emotional season.

1:33:32We're approaching budget, we're

1:33:34in campaigns, so just please try

1:33:36to be respectful towards one

1:33:38another and treat each other how

1:33:39you wanna be treated. That's how

1:33:40I always approach when I sit up

1:33:42here. I talk to you how I want

1:33:43you to talk to me.

1:33:45I turn when your voice gets

1:33:46excited, mine's get getting a

1:33:47little bit excited.

1:33:49So I just wanna make sure that

1:33:50we, we are like really thinking

1:33:52about that when we come up here

1:33:54on this horseshoe and I've

1:33:55spoken to many of you in the

1:33:57back and just say, hey, come on

1:33:58now, let's make sure and Chuck

1:34:00laughs at me because sometimes

1:34:01when I hear it going on.

1:34:03I just be like, come on, let's

1:34:04stop.

1:34:06So please think about that as

1:34:08we're approaching budget season

1:34:10and everybody is entitled to

1:34:11have their opinion up here and

1:34:13we should respect each other's

1:34:14opinion because we all got one

1:34:16goal and that's one common goal

1:34:17and we're passionate about each

1:34:19of our wards, so when you're

1:34:21doing smart remarks or you're

1:34:23taking a jab at someone, they're

1:34:25just reacting back to you, so

1:34:26just think about that before we

1:34:28speak. My grandma always taught

1:34:29me think before you speak and

1:34:30everything you think don't gotta

1:34:31be said.

1:34:33Thank you, older woman. I

1:34:35appreciate that very much.

1:34:37Alderman Williams, I'm new.

1:34:38That we got to do.

1:34:41OK. Any further old business

1:34:42from the council.

1:34:44CNN we are going to go to new

1:34:45business.

1:34:47elder woman purchased, do you

1:34:48have anything to share about a

1:34:51downtown event?

1:34:51This weekend?

1:34:53Yes, Halloween.

1:34:55The Halloween parade.

1:34:57Thank you.

1:35:00Um, it's this Saturday, please,

1:35:02you can still come out if you

1:35:03don't even have a Halloween

1:35:05costume. Most of the businesses

1:35:07will be open um there's a really

1:35:09, really fun parade, and I think

1:35:11the weather is gonna be good, so

1:35:12I encourage you to bring your

1:35:13families out too as well, you

1:35:16wanna add anything else. Yeah,

1:35:17thank you for reminding me. I

1:35:19totally forgot. Alderman

1:35:20Williams. Oh, sorry, I was just

1:35:22gonna ask what yeah, thank you

1:35:24for recognizing me, Mayor. I

1:35:25think I was before, uh, all the

1:35:27women purchased just to show you

1:35:29.

1:35:29How you do.

1:35:31What is this new world there? I

1:35:32don't want to violate it. I

1:35:35wanna clarity. You're saying for

1:35:37us 10.

1:35:39The only send our stuff to.

1:35:42The chief of staff or Tim. That

1:35:45was to the directors that any

1:35:47questions they get from alders

1:35:48will go directly to Tim and Tim

1:35:49can seminate it to all 10 elders

1:35:51. Well, you know, one of the

1:35:53complaints from the constituents

1:35:55and the citizens is deterliness.

1:35:57I mean, even in the stuff that's

1:35:59already on the books, side of

1:36:01properties, they get to violate

1:36:023 times before, you know, and

1:36:03all that kind of stuff. So I

1:36:06think that these layers.

1:36:08To the process.

1:36:11It's just gonna slow down and

1:36:13response time to the citizen

1:36:15that may have something that's

1:36:16very important to them but

1:36:18really on their last nerve in

1:36:19dealing with the city issue that

1:36:21they may be calling us about,

1:36:23but you want us to, you, it's

1:36:24like you're putting

1:36:27Things in between. Another step

1:36:28in between or or you don't see

1:36:30it that way.

1:36:32Well, what is it?

1:36:34What's the purpose of it?

1:36:36I already stated my opinion. OK,

1:36:38so I mean, Mayor, you.

1:36:41You're not making sense.

1:36:44We right now, we right now

1:36:46handle we we right now handle

1:36:49numerous

1:36:49A situations from our

1:36:51constituents. You're entitled to

1:36:52your opinion, sir.

1:36:53Anymore. This is why you need to

1:36:55vote for somebody else.

1:36:58You cannot You You cannot

1:36:59electioneer don't You care You.

1:37:00Thank you. You're out of order,

1:37:02Alderman. One more time and

1:37:03you'll be asked to leave. You're

1:37:05out of order. Alderman Gregory,

1:37:06did you have something you had

1:37:06your hand up?

1:37:07No.

1:37:09I know Trio.

1:37:11Yeah. Hell no. Thank you, Mayor.

1:37:16Um, so I just, uh, announcement

1:37:21of an event happening, um, uh,

1:37:25so this year the city um did not

1:37:29recognize indigenous Peoples'

1:37:30Day, um, because, uh, it was

1:37:33rejected because it was

1:37:35recognized last year, um, and so

1:37:38I would just like to say, um,

1:37:41happy belated indigenous Peoples

1:37:43Day it was October 12th, and

1:37:45then to also.

1:37:46To let you know, um, this Sunday

1:37:50from 1:30 to 4 at Wild Rose

1:37:53Artisan Gallery and Boutique,

1:37:55there will be an art show and

1:37:58history exhibition, um, called

1:38:00Decolonize Your Mind, and the

1:38:03topics will include um American

1:38:07imperialism, nonviolent

1:38:08resistance movements around the

1:38:10world, and um yeah, just uh some

1:38:13, some history for everyone.

1:38:16Who is curious.

1:38:18Thank you. Any other new

1:38:19business to come before the

1:38:20council.

1:38:22Seeing none, clerk, it would be

1:38:24citizens who signed up in

1:38:26advance to address the council

1:38:27Juliette Lucas.

1:38:39Hello.

1:38:41Thank you so much for having me.

1:38:43I'm Doctor Juliette Lucas. I'm a

1:38:45resident in ear, nose and throat

1:38:47surgery at Southern Illinois

1:38:48University. I work both at, uh,

1:38:51Memorial and Saint John's.

1:38:53Um,

1:38:54I'm here to discuss a

1:38:56problematic dwelling in my

1:38:58neighborhood. I'm in Ward 5,

1:38:59elder women.

1:39:02Purchases neighborhood, um, she

1:39:04and I have corresponded about

1:39:06this issue, um, which is

1:39:10regarding, uh, property called

1:39:12215 West Elliott Avenue, um,

1:39:14Ever since I first moved in, I

1:39:16purchased my home, which is

1:39:18right across the street from

1:39:20that property in July 2024.

1:39:22I've had uh lots of problems

1:39:25with, um, inhabitants of that

1:39:27dwelling, um, it is zoned as a

1:39:29single-family dwelling, but

1:39:31there are approximately 11

1:39:32people that come and go from

1:39:33that dwelling.

1:39:35the first night I ever stayed at

1:39:37my property, there was a man

1:39:41standing underneath a

1:39:42streetlight, um, kind of hunched

1:39:43over. He stayed there for

1:39:45several hours, wasn't a threat,

1:39:46so I didn't, you know, call the

1:39:48police or anything. Um, I've had

1:39:50the

1:39:51Things like that happen on many

1:39:53occasions ever since, um,

1:39:56That next summer, a man was

1:39:58burning trash in the backyard,

1:40:00lit the the tree on fire, um,

1:40:02didn't call the fire department.

1:40:04My father was staying with me at

1:40:05the time and called the police

1:40:07department or called the fire

1:40:08department, otherwise.

1:40:09You know, who knows what have,

1:40:11what would have happened with

1:40:12that tree, uh, people routinely

1:40:15burn trash because there's no,

1:40:17uh, it doesn't seem that they

1:40:19get any trash picked up from

1:40:20that property by the city, um.

1:40:24October 2025, there was a

1:40:25domestic dispute happening

1:40:27outside the property. um, I come

1:40:28and go at all hours of the night

1:40:29. I'd like to feel safe coming

1:40:31and going from my house.

1:40:34And

1:40:35They're having domestic dispute.

1:40:36I call the police again, um,

1:40:39very concerningly in September

1:40:41of this year, I had a woman

1:40:44trying to break into my front

1:40:45and back doors, both called the

1:40:48police and they were not able to

1:40:51intervene, and, that entire

1:40:53following night she attempted to

1:40:54break into my house for the

1:40:55whole night, um.

1:40:58And actually broke. I have like

1:40:59a glass protective door over my

1:41:01front door. She actually broke

1:41:02that door and I had to remove

1:41:04the bottom part of it, um,

1:41:05because she was so aggressive

1:41:07that she actually bent part of

1:41:08the door, um.

1:41:12And then just just in this month

1:41:15, um, I've had two domestic

1:41:17disputes resulting in me having

1:41:18to call police, uh, during the

1:41:19night. Again, people shouting,

1:41:21you know, I'm in my house with

1:41:22all the windows closed with my

1:41:24noise canceling headphones on,

1:41:24and I can still hear people

1:41:26shouting in the night, um, just

1:41:29kind of repeated problems at the

1:41:32property, really related to um.

1:41:35Lack of defined tendency, um,

1:41:36again, it's zoned as a single

1:41:39family home. There are people

1:41:40constantly coming and going from

1:41:42that property. Additionally, um,

1:41:44there's been two vehicles parked

1:41:45the wrong way, um, one with a,

1:41:50um, busted out windshield, um,

1:41:52lots of trash on a trailer, so

1:41:54just, um, lots of problems

1:41:56related to this one property, so

1:41:57So, um,

1:41:59I would just really appreciate

1:42:01the cities um input and help

1:42:03dealing with this property.

1:42:04Thank you, Ms. Lucas, if you'll

1:42:06stay there, um, I know

1:42:07Alderwoman wants to speak, but

1:42:08older woman right before that,

1:42:10um, I know Chief Beal is still

1:42:12here. Chief of Staff Fleischley

1:42:12is going to take you to him so

1:42:13that you can talk to Chief Beal

1:42:15about this as well after the old

1:42:16woman speaks with you, if you're

1:42:17OK with that. Thank you so much.

1:42:19Yes, thank you, Mayor, because I

1:42:21was, I just wrote down when you

1:42:23said police said they couldn't

1:42:25intervene, so yes, definitely

1:42:26wanna make sure you talk to the

1:42:27Chief of Staff about that then.

1:42:30I also wrote to check in with

1:42:33our zoning manager and um my

1:42:35inspector that's in that area,

1:42:37Miss Mary, she's pretty hardcore

1:42:38, so it's a good list of just

1:42:40for the public to hear as

1:42:41they're hearing you speak to me.

1:42:43I make sure we printed out the

1:42:45violation ticket that went out

1:42:47on October 15th for a garbage

1:42:48solid waste must be removed on

1:42:50or as defined in this chapter

1:42:52and in the occupant or leasee of

1:42:54any premises shall remove or

1:42:56have removed all of any brush or

1:42:58solid race which I.

1:42:59the photos that you're talking

1:43:00about with the trailer, the

1:43:02trash bags on the side, so, um,

1:43:04my zoning manager Brady is very

1:43:06good and he communicates with

1:43:08Mary and we have a process that

1:43:10we have to follow with them

1:43:11removing it and there's a game

1:43:13that's played because they'll

1:43:14remove it it'll be gone for a

1:43:16few days and then it starts to

1:43:17pile back up.

1:43:18And so that's what we're trying

1:43:20to figure out how to break that

1:43:22cycle of this happening over and

1:43:24over. I also have wrote down too

1:43:25for Brady to check into the

1:43:27zoning because you said it's

1:43:28about 11 now that part I didn't

1:43:30know that it was about 11 people

1:43:32staying in the property, so of

1:43:33course I can understand why all

1:43:35those trash bags are lined up on

1:43:36the side, but first checking

1:43:38into the trash service and just

1:43:39wanted to let you know that I

1:43:40hear you, things are being

1:43:42turned in and we have a list of

1:43:44violations on them. I didn't

1:43:44wanna go it's a long list right

1:43:46now. I really appreciate it and

1:43:47I have noticed that that.

1:43:49trash has been gone through, so

1:43:50I appreciate your, your effort.

1:43:52So two sidebar things to

1:43:53piggyback on what the alderman

1:43:54is telling you is there is a

1:43:57process for the garbage, which

1:43:59is separate than the like

1:44:01criminal activity, so policing

1:44:02one side, public works, which is

1:44:03why she's referencing the zone

1:44:05manager and public works, but

1:44:06then you can also get on our

1:44:07public works site. You can type

1:44:09in that address and you can see

1:44:11all the violations she's talking

1:44:13about. They'll pop up on there.

1:44:14We put that out there probably

1:44:16over a year ago. And so if you

1:44:17want to watch what's

1:44:18Going on with that property, you

1:44:19can type it in and see all the

1:44:21violations on that map too, to

1:44:23help you. P's work, public works

1:44:25Chief of Staff Fletchley will

1:44:27help you explain that to you

1:44:28before you leave the navigation

1:44:29of that so you can watch and see

1:44:31how many times from a a public

1:44:33works standpoint, writing

1:44:34violations on their property.

1:44:35It's on their site, so.

1:44:37OK, yeah, and he'll take you to

1:44:38Chief of Police. Thank you.

1:44:39Thank you.

1:44:41Rachel Dixon.

1:44:44Rachel Dixon.

1:44:48Bill Steiner.

1:44:51Jill Steiner.

1:44:54Colleen Forssek.

1:44:59in a day.

1:45:14Good evening.

1:45:17Good evening. Uh, OK, so as a

1:45:19young girl, I always dreamed of

1:45:21weddings, my great grandparents

1:45:22were some of my biggest idols

1:45:24and listening to their love

1:45:25story that consisted of getting

1:45:27married before my grandpa left

1:45:28to serve in World War II and

1:45:30keeping it a secret from their

1:45:31families until he returned. It

1:45:33was a story that engraved itself

1:45:34on my heart.

1:45:35The day that they were married,

1:45:37they walked into a church where

1:45:38a different couple had just

1:45:40finished eloping. They, I don't

1:45:41even know if that's the right

1:45:42word, let me be honest with you,

1:45:43I think that means to run away,

1:45:46um, they explained the situation

1:45:48and asked the pastor to do a

1:45:49small ceremony for just the two

1:45:51of them. The fact that my

1:45:52grandmother had made a promise

1:45:53to herself that she wouldn't get

1:45:55married until she was in her

1:45:56twenties. She broke that promise

1:45:58due to the circumstances of love

1:46:00at wartime and spent her entire

1:46:02life loving that one man. It was

1:46:03something I admired and decided

1:46:05that I wanted.

1:46:06For myself as well. A singular

1:46:08always and forever shared

1:46:09between two human beings.

1:46:11But I'm, I'm a weird human and

1:46:13being a child learning her place

1:46:14in the world didn't help the

1:46:16matter. So my first husband was

1:46:18a blonde-haired, blue-eyed boy

1:46:19named Aaron in my pre-K class,

1:46:20but then I had to move districts

1:46:22and I had to re-attend pre-K

1:46:24because my birthday was right at

1:46:25the cutoff and I was the oldest

1:46:27in my class.

1:46:28So my husband Aaron then became

1:46:30my new husband, Austin, 2

1:46:32husbands before kindergarten. I

1:46:33totally understood what it was

1:46:34that I wanted.

1:46:37Uh, my kindergarten memories are

1:46:38full of learning the big bad

1:46:40wolf play with one of my best

1:46:42friends of all time at at the

1:46:43time. Her name was Josie. She

1:46:45was also known as the girl with

1:46:47bright red lipstick. I can

1:46:50remember practically begging

1:46:50Miss Knatmeyer to remove me from

1:46:52the yellow table to literally

1:46:54any other color because the

1:46:56table gave me horrible migraines

1:46:57that would make me sleepy every

1:46:59day. I would actually get

1:47:01hemiplegic migraines, and this

1:47:02is where the entire left side of

1:47:04my body stopped working.

1:47:06I would not be able to talk. I

1:47:10get aphasia. I, um, when it

1:47:12happens, I confuse my family

1:47:14members for each other, and I

1:47:15don't know who my children are.

1:47:17Um,

1:47:19And I would just like to point

1:47:21out that there was one point

1:47:22where I was living.

1:47:26And southern Sangamon County and

1:47:28I called an ambulance because I

1:47:31could not talk. I could not talk

1:47:32. I could, I was asking for help

1:47:34. The the left side of my body

1:47:36wasn't working. The ambulance

1:47:37driver came out, told me I had

1:47:39anxiety, and sent me back into

1:47:40my house.

1:47:43I then had to wait over an hour

1:47:47for my little brother to come

1:47:48get me.

1:47:50Who already has his own issues

1:47:52because he was honorably

1:47:53discharged from the military.

1:47:56Why did an ambulance not take me

1:47:59?

1:47:59It, OK.

1:48:02My mom had even asked her to

1:48:03move me, but instead of moving

1:48:05me to a different table, she'd

1:48:07gift me curious George books

1:48:09instead.

1:48:10It frustrated me so much that I

1:48:11honestly didn't feel bad for

1:48:12lashing out and throwing a whole

1:48:14barrel of monkeys at the wall.

1:48:16In high school, I met a Middle

1:48:18Eastern man online and told him

1:48:19that I loved him, which was the

1:48:22truth. This man is still single

1:48:23to this day, and I believe it

1:48:26has absolutely nothing to do

1:48:27with me, and absolutely

1:48:29everything to do with the

1:48:31immigration marriage fraud that

1:48:33is tied to Sangamon County and

1:48:35those within our Sangamon County

1:48:36Board.

1:48:37Some things that I would like to

1:48:38see publicly discussed are.

1:48:41What do you believe a a

1:48:43plutonium wedding ring to be.

1:48:45Why are older women shoving

1:48:46their wedding rings in my face?

1:48:51Their impact on politics and on

1:48:53economic policies. Why are, why

1:48:56are plutonium wedding rings.

1:48:57Don't look at me like that.

1:49:01Impacting our economic policies.

1:49:03And our politics.

1:49:04What is the difference between a

1:49:06plutonium ring versus a diamond.

1:49:09Is the process accessible?

1:49:12Is it a reliable, safe,

1:49:15sustainable process for families

1:49:16to be experiencing.

1:49:18Does the process make people

1:49:19feel like they have to do

1:49:21something that they otherwise

1:49:22would not do.

1:49:25Are there humans trapped within

1:49:27this process, who want out and

1:49:29feel they don't have a way out.

1:49:31The answer to that is yes.

1:49:35There are plenty. The answer is

1:49:37yes. There should not be people

1:49:39being sexually exploited by

1:49:40their phones. It's disgusting.

1:49:45With divorce rates being so high

1:49:46, how is it that this sister,

1:49:48how is it that the system is

1:49:50affecting our children, and

1:49:51especially in the long term. Is

1:49:55this process inadvertently or

1:49:59advertently excluding groups of

1:50:00humans based upon physical,

1:50:02mental, or geographical

1:50:04characteristics. If so, how do

1:50:05we go about correcting that

1:50:06while protecting all parties,

1:50:08and I would just like to remind

1:50:09Ralph Hanauer that fish cannot

1:50:11swim in chlorine water.

1:50:12We need clean water and clean

1:50:14air.

1:50:14Thank you.

1:50:32I really do long for the time

1:50:34when the face is here are

1:50:36different. It, it is extremely

1:50:38frustrating to see $1.7 million

1:50:41walk out the door so easily with

1:50:43really no real discussion, just

1:50:45the same people that just said

1:50:47to us just giving a blank check

1:50:48to a police department that at

1:50:50this point has become a beast

1:50:51that feeds itself on our city's

1:50:53budget.

1:50:55What can $1.7 million do in the

1:50:57areas that the ShotSpotter

1:50:58alerts keep coming from. I mean,

1:51:00isn't that what that data is

1:51:01supposed to be used for further

1:51:04development, city investment to

1:51:06change those outcomes because

1:51:07research and studies show that

1:51:09that's what actually affects

1:51:10those kind of outcomes, not over

1:51:13policing.

1:51:14When, when we have the data that

1:51:16shows whether or not those are

1:51:18even real alerts because the

1:51:19cities that are removed it like

1:51:21Chicago, had up to an 80% false

1:51:24rate, false report rates. They

1:51:26couldn't even substantiate it.

1:51:28And when Sean mentioned 3 police

1:51:30chiefs, Winslow.

1:51:33stated back in 2021 that they

1:51:35could only substantiate the 23%

1:51:37of ShotSpotter reports were

1:51:38genuine and valid.

1:51:39Had any evidence to prove that

1:51:41they were actual gunshots that

1:51:43occurred.

1:51:44What is the success rate at that

1:51:46point?

1:51:5123%

1:51:51That is not success.

1:51:53That is not a system that I

1:51:55think $1.1 million could be

1:51:57spent on when we could be

1:51:58reinvesting it into those

1:52:00communities.

1:52:00I mean, when you think about

1:52:03Why people have guns that are

1:52:04running around in the area doing

1:52:05that, I'll tell you, it's not

1:52:07because they love violence and

1:52:08they, or just have a deep

1:52:10abiding desire to murder people.

1:52:15It's disputes are typically

1:52:17guided by the idea that we grew

1:52:18up in abject poverty.

1:52:20Like I live on the east side. I

1:52:21mean, do you need me to remind

1:52:23you about the stats that I've

1:52:25openly spoken about.

1:52:26For a number of years at this

1:52:28point.

1:52:30The income disparities, the, the

1:52:32inability to, to keep living

1:52:34even a 20 year life expectancy

1:52:36guided by a lack of income, a

1:52:38lack of development, a lack of

1:52:41opportunity, and what do we

1:52:41continue to do over police.

1:52:45ShotSpotter, flock.

1:52:47I mean, other areas look at this

1:52:49stuff, bigger cities, smaller

1:52:50cities, similar sized cities,

1:52:51and what do they think about it?

1:52:53They've removed it from their

1:52:54programs because they find that

1:52:56regardless of any perceived

1:52:57gains, the money could be better

1:52:59spent elsewhere.

1:53:01Again, the, the studies and the

1:53:03results show not that we should

1:53:05spend more money on police

1:53:07technology if we want to see

1:53:09better outcomes in bad

1:53:11neighborhoods with despaired

1:53:12outcomes.

1:53:12I mean, you, you don't have to

1:53:14argue with me about it. Argue

1:53:16with the experts because they'll

1:53:17tell you exactly what I just

1:53:18said.

1:53:19You have to put money into the

1:53:21communities, and it's not in

1:53:23Shawspotter, which still again

1:53:24they still will not present

1:53:26those figures. How many of those

1:53:28are false reports. What happens

1:53:29when the police show up looking

1:53:31for gunfire.

1:53:33You ever been there for that

1:53:33kind of report?

1:53:35Anybody in the vicinity is now

1:53:37guilty of just being present

1:53:39there.

1:53:39You're going to get asked

1:53:40questions, you're going to get

1:53:42stopped. And why do you, that

1:53:43may not seem like a big deal in

1:53:45an area where the traffic stops

1:53:46are now up to a 6 to 1 disparity

1:53:49between black and white drivers.

1:53:50It's a heck of a lot more

1:53:53frustrating now there's a yet

1:53:54another reason for the police to

1:53:55accost you.

1:53:56And find an excuse for you to

1:53:58have committed a crime. For

1:53:59simply existing.

1:54:02For what could again by majority

1:54:04in other cities because I find

1:54:06it odd that other cities that

1:54:07have done the reports and looked

1:54:09into it.

1:54:10Show that the majority of false

1:54:13reports.

1:54:14Now either Springfield has the

1:54:17best working shotspotter system

1:54:19in the entire nation, right, at

1:54:20this point.

1:54:21And I think that sounds a little

1:54:23bit preposterous.

1:54:24If you look at the actual

1:54:26information that's out there.

1:54:30But instead, it's unusual that

1:54:32Sean wants that. We have it all

1:54:33in the transparency page, you

1:54:35say. All we have on the

1:54:37transparency page is things that

1:54:38make it look like it's working.

1:54:40Not the parts that would

1:54:41actually tell us if it's working

1:54:43, if it's worth it working. It's

1:54:45a system that has less than a

1:54:4930% success rate working.

1:54:50If a city contractor only did

1:54:52their job 30% of the time. How

1:54:54long would we keep them? I don't

1:54:55know. As can Situ for him.

1:54:58I mean, at one point.

1:55:00do you guys recognize that we're

1:55:02throwing money into something

1:55:04that perpetuates itself. We need

1:55:05more police cars every year. We

1:55:07need more weaponry and armory

1:55:08and.

1:55:10And it'll keep taking every

1:55:12dollar we have until we keep

1:55:14asking why the neighborhoods

1:55:14never get better.

1:55:16We're going to keep finding more

1:55:17guns. We're going to keep

1:55:18finding more crime. We're gonna

1:55:20keep finding more people to

1:55:21arrest because we haven't done

1:55:22anything to change it.

1:55:24I grew up in that neighborhood.

1:55:26I'm an escapee.

1:55:29I'm a success story, and I

1:55:30didn't even make it that far. I

1:55:33still live there. Thank you.

1:55:36Makayla.

1:55:37But Constanza.

1:55:50Good evening, Mayor and the

1:55:51members of the Springfield

1:55:52Council. My name is Mikayla

1:55:54Constanza. Bert, I'd like to

1:55:55apologize for my voice is hoarse

1:55:57and feeling under the weather,

1:55:58and I appreciate your patience

1:56:00and understanding as I work

1:56:01through my statement.

1:56:02Thank you for the opportunity

1:56:03for me to speak. I am here today

1:56:07because every Springfield

1:56:08resident deserves a safe,

1:56:11healthy, and preferable magnets

1:56:13home. Unfortunately, my

1:56:14experience at 2 rental

1:56:15properties have left me feeling

1:56:16frustrated, overwhelmed and

1:56:18concerned about my new house,

1:56:20about how housing problems are

1:56:21addressed.

1:56:21And I want to share my story

1:56:23because I don't want anyone else

1:56:25to endure what I have

1:56:26experienced.

1:56:27I'm currently living at 1720

1:56:29Clay Street under the management

1:56:31of Wy Properties Wy Properties

1:56:33Wy Properties Wy Properties.

1:56:33Today marks 45 days without heat

1:56:35in my home.

1:56:37I eat problems remained unsolved

1:56:39.

1:56:40I've also have several other

1:56:42concerns.

1:56:42My back door does not lock

1:56:44properly. The kitchen window is

1:56:46broken.

1:56:47The lease included central air

1:56:49and it does not function.

1:56:51on the hot days, I also have a

1:56:54damaged fence and loose and and

1:56:56the leaks in the in the bathroom

1:56:58faucet.

1:57:00A temporary repair the fence

1:57:02because I was concerned about my

1:57:03dogs and the neighbor's dogs

1:57:04getting out.

1:57:06They're not simple and concerned

1:57:07. There are concerns about my

1:57:09safety, security, and basic

1:57:11living conditions.

1:57:12After everything I experienced

1:57:14in my previous home, I hope move

1:57:16will give me a fresh start.

1:57:18Instead, I found myself dealing

1:57:20with another set of unresolved

1:57:22problems. I'm asking the city to

1:57:24help determine what action can

1:57:27take can take address these

1:57:29conditions, especially my lack

1:57:30of heat. I should not have to

1:57:32stand before the city council to

1:57:33ask for something as basic as

1:57:35eating my own.

1:57:37Before moving to this current

1:57:38home, I lived at 1708 Clay

1:57:40Street.

1:57:42Managed by Capital City

1:57:43Properties. I've lived there

1:57:45since 2022. I just moved out on

1:57:47September 8th.

1:57:49I reported 3 years of

1:57:51maintenance issues at that um.

1:57:52That was left unattended.

1:57:55The basement had mold in it that

1:57:57had attached to the HVAC system.

1:57:59The water heating system.

1:58:02And they're an electrical box.

1:58:05The situa I have had made this

1:58:07request.

1:58:07I've had to

1:58:09Inspectors come out to the house

1:58:12.

1:58:132026 I sent a certified letter

1:58:15to my landlord that was left

1:58:17unaddressed.

1:58:18On June 17, 2026, the city

1:58:21documented several violations.

1:58:24Including these electrical

1:58:25hazards, plummeting problems,

1:58:26and the hole in the roof from

1:58:28the storm that happened on June

1:58:2911th of 2026.

1:58:32I understood the landlord was

1:58:34given until July 17, 2026 to

1:58:37address these violations after

1:58:38years of reported problems, I

1:58:40eventually had to move out on

1:58:42September 8th.

1:58:43On September 7th, 2026.

1:58:45Just one day before moving out,

1:58:47my floor caved in.

1:58:49My dog Harley fell into the

1:58:51furnace.

1:58:52The Springfield Fire Department

1:58:53hasn't responded to cut him out.

1:58:56And also that same day, the

1:58:59kitchen plumbing had collapsed

1:59:00into the basement and flooded

1:59:02the entire basement with

1:59:03thousands of dollars of my stuff

1:59:05being destroyed.

1:59:06So.

1:59:14Sure.

1:59:16And.

1:59:16Vintage.

1:59:24If.

1:59:24Take your time.

1:59:35On July 15, 2026, I was

1:59:37diagnosed with stage one

1:59:38esophageal cancer.

1:59:42Around that time, my doctor had

1:59:43found moles on my lungs.

1:59:47On July 28, 2026, I was

1:59:49diagnosed with MRSA.

1:59:57You.

1:59:58These are serious medical

2:00:00conditions.

2:00:01Managing them have been

2:00:02difficult on my own.

2:00:04Having to deal.

2:00:11Happen to deal with these

2:00:14prolonged housing problems at

2:00:15the same time have added stress

2:00:17and uncertainty to an already

2:00:19challenging period in my life.

2:00:21I cannot say that these

2:00:23conditions.

2:00:24Ar cause the reason.

2:00:26But I can say the mold has make

2:00:29it questionable.

2:00:31But I do want to understand a

2:00:34circumstances I was living

2:00:36through while these health

2:00:37concerns was identified. I

2:00:40reported extensive moisture la.

2:00:44Roof damages and electrical

2:00:45concerns at 1708 Clay Street.

2:00:48I was trying to get those

2:00:51conditions addressed while also

2:00:53facing serious concerns about my

2:00:55health. Now that I've moved.

2:00:56And hoping for a fresh start,

2:00:59but again dealing with

2:01:00unresolved housing problems.

2:01:02Including 45 days now without

2:01:04this heat.

2:01:06The broken windows, a back door

2:01:07that doesn't lock.

2:01:09And other maintenance issues.

2:01:12Get what I've already faced

2:01:13medically. I need my home to be

2:01:14a place where I can feel safe.

2:01:17And focus on my well-being, not

2:01:19an order source of worry and

2:01:21uncertainty.

2:01:22I do want to take the time to

2:01:24thank the people who have helped

2:01:26me through this difficult

2:01:27situation.

2:01:28I want to thank Shannon Allen

2:01:30with Community Relations, Erica

2:01:31Orr with Fifth Street

2:01:32Renaissance, Alderman Sean

2:01:35Gregory, Detective Mike Newman

2:01:37and the Splevi uh of the

2:01:39Springfield Police Department

2:01:40and another le field officer who

2:01:43had came and dressed and did

2:01:44their own investigations on the

2:01:46house. I am a truly grateful.

2:01:48My dog is not OK at the moment.

2:01:50He has suffered.

2:01:52This this or?

2:01:54I respectfully ask the city

2:01:56council to consider these

2:01:58serious accusations against my

2:02:00landlords.

2:02:00First help determine how many,

2:02:02how much current lack of heat

2:02:04can be investigated and

2:02:06addressed. Second, please

2:02:07concerns strong follow up when

2:02:09Alvin Cove violated in a

2:02:11document.

2:02:12Please kiss her, please consider

2:02:14how residents can obtain help

2:02:16with maintenance requests remain

2:02:19unresolved. Please help

2:02:20residents understand how to

2:02:22report unsafe conditions and

2:02:23found out what.

2:02:25Has after they report an

2:02:27inspection.

2:02:28Finally, please consider what

2:02:30improvements that do.

2:02:32To the housing inspectors and

2:02:34code enforcements could help

2:02:36prevent other residents from

2:02:38experiencing similar situations.

2:02:40I understand the city council

2:02:41have many responsibilities. I'm

2:02:43not asking the city to assume

2:02:44that every landlord or property

2:02:46is the same.

2:02:47I'm asking that the concerns be

2:02:49taken seriously and that the

2:02:51city considers what can be done

2:02:53to help protect residents.

2:02:54Mayors and a member of the

2:02:56council, I understand that you

2:02:57have many important issues to

2:02:59address.

2:02:59But I'm asking you to take a

2:03:01moment to hear my story by Agnes

2:03:04, my experience in my former

2:03:05home following by moving to this

2:03:06new home.

2:03:09And facing these problems had

2:03:10taken a very serious emotional

2:03:12toll on me.

2:03:14Honestly, these.

2:03:23Honestly, these experiences have

2:03:24left me feeling depressed and

2:03:26overwhelmed.

2:03:26I hope moving would have given

2:03:28me a fresh start and stable home

2:03:30instead of facing, asking for

2:03:32the basics.

2:03:33No one should have to choose

2:03:34between having a roof over their

2:03:36head and having a home that is

2:03:37safe to live in.

2:03:39No one shall have to spend years

2:03:42reporting problems and wondering

2:03:44if anyone would take their

2:03:45concerns seriously.

2:03:47I've shared my story because I

2:03:49do not want another Springfield

2:03:51resident.

2:03:52To experience the same agony,

2:03:54frustration, and there's

2:03:55uncertainty I've experienced.

2:03:57And what my voice to mean

2:03:59something beyond its meaning. I

2:04:00want my experience to be help

2:04:02others.

2:04:03Who have been struggling quietly

2:04:05with unsafe housing conditions.

2:04:07I cannot change what I went

2:04:09through.

2:04:10But I hope I send it up today. I

2:04:12can help make a difference for

2:04:13someone else tomorrow.

2:04:16I'm asking you to not hear my

2:04:17story, but to help make sure

2:04:19other residents do not stay

2:04:21before the council to tell the

2:04:22same story as me.

2:04:24Every spring for residents

2:04:26deserve a safe home, timely.

2:04:29Repairs and the dignity of

2:04:31knowing that their concerns

2:04:32matter. Thank you for listening

2:04:33to me today. Miss Constanza,

2:04:35before you leave, um, there are

2:04:37two elders who signed up to

2:04:38speak, but then after they speak

2:04:40, I want you to see Doctor

2:04:41Rector Fuchs is going to wave

2:04:42his hand to you. He's the public

2:04:45works director, um, with the

2:04:47current situation you have

2:04:48without the heat, he's going to

2:04:49take down your address and your

2:04:52contact information, um, uh,

2:04:53you're the tenant, so he'll have

2:04:55to work through that, but we'll

2:04:56get someone out there for that

2:04:57from the public works side.

2:04:59On the inspection, but there, I

2:05:00do have two elders that want to

2:05:01speak to you as well, OK? Yes,

2:05:04older, um, Alderman Gregory,

2:05:05sorry, you were first. Yes, I,

2:05:07you know.

2:05:10I just use your example a few

2:05:11weeks ago about.

2:05:13Um,

2:05:15Not not having any options,

2:05:17right, because.

2:05:18The property owner.

2:05:21Didn't do anything, you know, uh

2:05:23, that storm came and, and made

2:05:25it even worse with the roof. I

2:05:26remember I came over and looked

2:05:27at it and, and we sent it in.

2:05:30We we we've done our legal thing

2:05:32, I'm sure. And, and it's still,

2:05:34and it's still like that, so

2:05:37again that that's the issue with

2:05:39with with with these rental

2:05:41properties.

2:05:41If they don't.

2:05:43Fix the issue.

2:05:45So, uh, you know, Ethan I call

2:05:47Ethan Ethan, you know, man, we

2:05:48gotta help her. We gotta move

2:05:49her.

2:05:49So we move.

2:05:51Now she in a rhythm that don't

2:05:52have no heat.

2:05:53Mm.

2:05:56How does this, how in the world.

2:05:59Does this happened and I don't

2:06:00want you to ever feel like um

2:06:04coming here, um, you should be

2:06:07embarrassed or or or or anything

2:06:08like that like you You are our

2:06:10priority, people are are right

2:06:12what you're going through right

2:06:13now it just makes me so mad

2:06:15because we have.

2:06:16Hundreds of you.

2:06:17In my community.

2:06:212800 complaints in my community

2:06:22and a lot of this stuff we there

2:06:24is some legal things to it, but

2:06:25we can do a lot better job and

2:06:27that's.

2:06:28That's come. I ain't pointing at

2:06:29nobody.

2:06:30I can do it without a better job

2:06:32, right? And and and and and

2:06:34pressing some of these things

2:06:35and studying some of these

2:06:36things to see how we get better

2:06:38because you know we have to we

2:06:41cannot have our people going

2:06:43through this.

2:06:45Consistently and and and I think

2:06:46that we won't get the point of

2:06:47how bad it is.

2:06:49Until more of you come up here

2:06:50and tell us your story with

2:06:53these, these properties, um,

2:06:55again I, I don't care who owns

2:06:56it, I, I, I really don't care. I

2:06:58care about you guys being a safe

2:07:00homes and and you know honestly

2:07:02the the home that she was living

2:07:04in, it shouldn't have been

2:07:05rented in the first place. It's

2:07:07that horrible.

2:07:08It's that bad.

2:07:11Right across the street from our

2:07:12fire station, you know, so, so

2:07:15it is crazy and and and you know

2:07:17so from a city perspective we

2:07:19gotta get more proactive on this

2:07:20stuff we can't be reactive. We

2:07:23can't wait till she calls it in

2:07:25or I call it in or any of you

2:07:26calling in we have to be

2:07:28proactive. We ride past this

2:07:29stuff our cities's employees

2:07:30ride past this stuff all the

2:07:32time and we got to start

2:07:33crunching down on it and and

2:07:35that's the only way that we're

2:07:36gonna uh um.

2:07:39Help people like her.

2:07:41Is jumping on it before because

2:07:42the house should have never been

2:07:43rented in the first place. It's

2:07:45a horrible looking house in the

2:07:46first place before she even

2:07:48moved in there, you know, so.

2:07:51Um, I just hope that we take it

2:07:53serious, you know, what we need

2:07:54to do with these housing, um,

2:07:57especially the vacant ones, you

2:07:58know, I got a call the other day

2:08:00, the same garage Murdoch on 7th

2:08:02Street caught fire again. It's

2:08:03already been on fire once.

2:08:05We gotta start using our

2:08:06eneminent domain.

2:08:07And, and, and

2:08:09On, on, on those structures, uh,

2:08:11um, dangerous structures for

2:08:13people to be in. So

2:08:15Again, don't ever feel that way.

2:08:17Just know that you are a

2:08:18priority for me and they'll see

2:08:19for sure.

2:08:20Um, and, and, and call me

2:08:22anytime and I'll I'll, I'll,,

2:08:23I'll be there and we'll do the

2:08:26best we can. No, don't be

2:08:27embarrassed. Don't be

2:08:28embarrassed, and I, I think

2:08:29Ethan in the office because

2:08:30guess what, all the time.

2:08:32This is what they do. This is

2:08:34what they do all the time is

2:08:36help people get them moved um

2:08:38who are in impossible situations

2:08:40that that um.

2:08:42We, we just can't move fast

2:08:44enough on, so I I appreciate you

2:08:45for coming. Thank you.

2:08:48older woman purchase you. I echo

2:08:49what um

2:08:50My chair said, and me and him,

2:08:52we talk about this. I know it's

2:08:54not a policy that we can

2:08:55implement through the city, but

2:08:57just find a solution so I'm

2:08:59listening to you and you said

2:09:00that was the management company

2:09:02Wes Management, so they had

2:09:03their managing the property for

2:09:05a landlord.

2:09:06I found even with me being a

2:09:08landlord that sometimes we don't

2:09:09hear what the man, what you have

2:09:11turned in to the management

2:09:13company so for me I do a weekly

2:09:15call with management. It should

2:09:16be something, a system where

2:09:18you're turning in and you're

2:09:19reporting a problem like we have

2:09:20with the city, you're reporting

2:09:22a problem and I have to approve

2:09:23it. It helps me to check in, so

2:09:26also just holding them their

2:09:27foot to the fire too and

2:09:28checking in with them weekly

2:09:30even though they're supposed to

2:09:30be checking in with you to let

2:09:32you know what time the

2:09:34contractors coming out? Are you

2:09:35gonna be at home so they can

2:09:36answer your property or give you

2:09:38a 24 or 48 hour notice, but

2:09:40those are some of the things

2:09:41that we're talking about

2:09:43together to help with education

2:09:44as they come up with these town

2:09:45hall meetings. So I just wanna

2:09:46let you know we hear you too and

2:09:49that's something that Sean talks

2:09:50, we talk about it all the time,

2:09:51bouncing ideas off of each other

2:09:53and definitely don't feel bad

2:09:55because you're helping to bring

2:09:56more awareness by coming up here

2:09:57and talking to us and I'm trying

2:09:58to be a part of the solution

2:10:00with having that hat on as a

2:10:01landlord like you still

2:10:02shouldn't be living in that and

2:10:03I need to know what's going on

2:10:04in my property too, so when you

2:10:05report.

2:10:06they should be telling me.

2:10:09Thank you.

2:10:12What is the purpose of these uh

2:10:13these rental portals that they

2:10:15have. Um-hum. So they have them

2:10:18and we re-report through these

2:10:20portals.

2:10:21And for instance,

2:10:23With wise now it's been opened

2:10:25today is 45 days I moved in this

2:10:27house and it's been left open.

2:10:29Like no follow up to for me to

2:10:34move in there.

2:10:36That's a problem. Like you, you,

2:10:38it should be in the portal what

2:10:39I do, it should be in the portal

2:10:41and then I I'm able to approve

2:10:43the HVAC company that's coming

2:10:45out to let you know so I know

2:10:46that I can get into your

2:10:48property that this company is

2:10:49coming to give an estimate or if

2:10:51you need to do 3, so it

2:10:52shouldn't just be left open, but

2:10:53that's a good point that you're

2:10:55making and I'm hoping that you,

2:10:56when you call them that they're

2:10:58responding to you or some type

2:11:00of letter is coming to you too

2:11:02as well. I have, I won't call

2:11:04because I know uh verbally.

2:11:07Well, won't stand up in court,

2:11:09so I so do so emails so and so

2:11:12I've always documented

2:11:13everything through email. I've

2:11:14not gotten one response.

2:11:17Well I'm sure with um the mayor

2:11:18ask and Director Foos to talk to

2:11:20you the public works will be out

2:11:21before Friday and then they'll

2:11:23be getting some letters and have

2:11:24to respond back too, so that's

2:11:26the other way you gonna get an

2:11:28answer. We're getting ready to

2:11:30Brock who gave me a space heater

2:11:31. I'll be freezing in the house

2:11:32right now. Yeah, the weather is

2:11:34dropping at night, but I just

2:11:36wanted to talk about that

2:11:38solution that we're thinking

2:11:39about too with our hats on when

2:11:41we know there's management

2:11:42companies out here too, so don't

2:11:43feel like you're not being heard

2:11:45.

2:11:45We have one more alder who

2:11:46signed up to talk as well, but

2:11:48then my chief of staff is going

2:11:49to join me too because I've

2:11:50asked him to check on one thing

2:11:51with you as well. Point of order

2:11:55, I'm hearing the live feed has

2:11:58dropped.

2:11:59Uh, is Director Brown here?

2:12:01She's out in the hall.

2:12:04Um, Alderwoman Conley, thank you

2:12:05. I, I'll be real brief. I just

2:12:06want to thank you for coming in.

2:12:08Um, and I want to tell you what

2:12:10I tell my constituents when they

2:12:11call with a complaint or concern

2:12:13.

2:12:14I don't consider that

2:12:15complaining. I consider that

2:12:16advocating for your neighborhood

2:12:17.

2:12:18And, and as your alderman said,

2:12:20you're speaking for more than

2:12:21just you.

2:12:22And I will tell you, you're

2:12:24speaking for people in my ward

2:12:25too. This, the, the rental

2:12:28situation rental and housing in

2:12:29general is, is still an ongoing

2:12:31concern. So I just want to say

2:12:32thank you for coming in tonight.

2:12:34Not only should you not feel bad

2:12:36, you should walk out with your

2:12:37head high. You're advocating for

2:12:38your neighborhood and, and

2:12:40advocating for improvement. So

2:12:41thank you for your time. Thank

2:12:43you guys for listening. Thank

2:12:44you for coming up. Thank you for

2:12:45your friend that gave you the

2:12:46space here and they're going to

2:12:47talk with you so we can try to

2:12:48help you, OK? Thank you.

2:12:50Christopher Osman.

2:12:56OK.

2:12:57OK.

2:12:59Uh, Mr. Osmond, give me one

2:13:01second if you don't mind.

2:13:02Channel 18 is still recording,

2:13:04so it will be up, um, on there

2:13:05and then when we post it on

2:13:06YouTube, it'll be there. Sorry,

2:13:08Mr. Osmond. No, it's OK. Can I

2:13:10hear? OK, um.

2:13:14My name is Chris Osmand. I run

2:13:17Good Boats Handyman and I am the

2:13:20guy that is called to go to her

2:13:22house.

2:13:26Oh OK so I, I know there's a lot

2:13:28of hostility towards landlords

2:13:29right now, and I think some of

2:13:30that is justified. I even think

2:13:32Weis, from my understanding is

2:13:34closed down or they

2:13:35redistributed it but um.

2:13:38The council's been discussing a

2:13:39registry since 2023.

2:13:42And I wanna keep this short. I

2:13:43know that this has been

2:13:44litigated to death.

2:13:47But every day I fix problems for

2:13:49tenants on behalf of landlords.

2:13:51I do storm doors. I do window

2:13:54screens that have somehow fell

2:13:56apart. Um, I do mold from leaky

2:13:58foundations. I do it all.

2:14:01I've seen desperation in

2:14:04people's faces. I have held

2:14:06people as they cried, I have

2:14:08helped old women that were

2:14:10afraid because their front porch

2:14:12lights were out, um.

2:14:13I've comforted, I've calmed

2:14:15people down. I have also been

2:14:17threatened.

2:14:19I have been threatened by

2:14:20tenants, and I have been

2:14:22threatened by my own tenants

2:14:24because I also have 2 apartments

2:14:26.

2:14:28And

2:14:28When right currently.

2:14:30They don't know that I'm their

2:14:32landlord.

2:14:34So something comes up, I go over

2:14:34there and fix it.

2:14:37Joke with them, they have new

2:14:38gutters. Everything is, is dealt

2:14:41with. Everything is great, um,

2:14:42but I used to be upfront about

2:14:44it.

2:14:44And I used to, I used to go and

2:14:47collect the rent myself, and

2:14:48this was before COVID.

2:14:50When COVID hits and the rent

2:14:52freeze happened, I was told that

2:14:54by collecting rent I was being

2:14:56greedy. I was a monster, and

2:14:58they were simply not going to

2:14:59pay.

2:15:00And so while the moratorium was

2:15:02there, I had to work extra jobs

2:15:05to pay the mortgage for the

2:15:07people that were essentially

2:15:08squatting in the house, and when

2:15:09the COVID ban lifted, I then did

2:15:11the eviction. You're a monster,

2:15:13you're awful, etc. had to get it

2:15:16evicted. Cool, got them out, got

2:15:18new people in, and that turned

2:15:20into a squatting situation with

2:15:21meth.

2:15:23And after the eviction process.

2:15:24The sheriff

2:15:27Pick them out and I had to hire

2:15:28a hazmat crew to clean out these

2:15:30apartments.

2:15:31Um, I actually called a

2:15:33violation on myself on, on, on

2:15:35that cause they had a, uh, they

2:15:37had a, a van parked on the lawn

2:15:39and I was trying to get the city

2:15:41to remove it. I actually got a

2:15:44ticket for myself for that, um.

2:15:47So when I told these people to

2:15:49leave or ask them or did the

2:15:51process in both instances it was

2:15:53if only I knew where you live.

2:15:55You know, if, if, if, if, if you

2:15:57come after me, I'm gonna, I'm

2:15:58gonna find you. I'm gonna come

2:16:00to your house and.

2:16:02I lived half a mile away,

2:16:04literally like the next

2:16:06neighborhood over, and I had to

2:16:08hire a real estate agency to as

2:16:11protection.

2:16:11To, to go like, you know,

2:16:12because this was.

2:16:14Legitimately terrifying and, and

2:16:15by the way, the eviction process

2:16:16, if you haven't been through it

2:16:18, is exceedingly long.

2:16:20And you, you go by, you drive by

2:16:22the place every day. What else

2:16:24have they destroyed? Have they

2:16:25have they ripped all the copper

2:16:27out?

2:16:27Uh, and they did, they, they

2:16:29sold it for math.

2:16:30Um,

2:16:34So I believe that there's a good

2:16:36chance that the ballot measure

2:16:37in October, November 4th will

2:16:40pass.

2:16:41And what I'm asking for is.

2:16:44To be invited to the table to

2:16:46help establish these rules.

2:16:48That protect.

2:16:50The people that you don't even

2:16:51know own apartments like.

2:16:54This purchase

2:16:54Never suspect that. How many

2:16:55other people here?

2:16:58Own rental properties as a means

2:16:59of investment. It is a very

2:17:02common American thing now, um.

2:17:04I think you guys already have

2:17:07the tools to litigate and

2:17:09monitor these maybe they need

2:17:10more funding, maybe they need to

2:17:12be more of a priority, uh, maybe

2:17:13we really need to go after it,

2:17:15but there's also issues that are

2:17:16not addressed for the tenants

2:17:19themselves are causing problems

2:17:20and the landlords are having

2:17:22issues with it. I've worked on

2:17:23properties where, oh my God, can

2:17:24you do something about the

2:17:25neighbor? and I'm like, no, I

2:17:27can't. Can you fix my heater? I,

2:17:28I can't. I'm sorry.

2:17:31So

2:17:32Yeah, I I actually believe that

2:17:33housing should be a right. It's

2:17:35not an established right yet.

2:17:37There's foundational work that

2:17:38needs to happen with that. I

2:17:39definitely think safe housing is

2:17:41a priority.

2:17:43And I just hope that we can have

2:17:45a conversation about that

2:17:46whenever it comes time for it,

2:17:48so thank you, sir, if you'll

2:17:49give us one second. Alderman

2:17:50Gregory, did you sign up or is

2:17:51that old? Yes, I did. I just

2:17:53want to thank you for coming in

2:17:54because I, I think that's some

2:17:57of the realist, right? um, um,

2:17:59to come up here and still speak

2:18:00after we're just speaking on the

2:18:01house that that you was coming

2:18:02to speak on. I, I, I told Mr.

2:18:04Ndo that as he walked past, uh,

2:18:06coming in today, he waved at Roy

2:18:08and I was so surprised. I was

2:18:09like, man, that's what's up, man

2:18:10, that, that, that you got.

2:18:13guys can can can still um speak

2:18:15to each other and have, have

2:18:17good conversations and I know

2:18:18he's hot after his issue and I

2:18:19know he's out against it, but

2:18:21that's the only way that we're

2:18:22gonna, we're gonna move our city

2:18:25forward, right? And it is and

2:18:27one thing that I love that you

2:18:28said is that, man, I wanna come

2:18:29to the table to help you guys

2:18:31craft something that's gonna

2:18:31make our city better and that's

2:18:33the realest ever in, and I

2:18:35appreciate you for that. Um, we,

2:18:37we really, really needed to have

2:18:39this discussion, didn't plan on

2:18:40having this discussion, but I

2:18:41appreciate you for coming.

2:18:43in and um um we're gonna do the

2:18:45best we can to make it work.

2:18:46We're gonna try to make sure

2:18:47she's straightened out is is for

2:18:49sure, um, and, and, and, and do

2:18:51the best we can to work with so

2:18:53I appreciate you for coming in.

2:18:56Thank you, Alderman. Alderwoman

2:18:57Purchase. Thank you. Sean just

2:18:58keep beating me at the butt, um,

2:19:02I thank you for sharing your

2:19:04story because most people have

2:19:05heard minds when COVID had

2:19:07happen happened I had uh a house

2:19:09that was right across the street

2:19:11from the elementary school. The

2:19:12kids were shooting BB guns into

2:19:15the school tenants were shooting

2:19:16BB guns into the school. The

2:19:18judge did emergency eviction

2:19:20because the moratorium was on

2:19:21and guess what they did? They

2:19:23came and shot up my house on

2:19:24December 12th. It was all over.

2:19:26social media and it was because

2:19:27they knew where I stayed at.

2:19:29That's when I got into the mind

2:19:31frame of I need to have a

2:19:33management company. I need to

2:19:35have some type of protection,

2:19:36but I still need to make sure

2:19:37people have safe homes to be in,

2:19:39so I think you come to the table

2:19:41and talking about some of these

2:19:42issues too and helping being a

2:19:43part of the solution can be very

2:19:45helpful, but I just wanted to

2:19:46share I understand where you're

2:19:48coming from because I, it

2:19:49happens to me.

2:19:51Thank you. Thank you, sir, for

2:19:52coming.

2:19:53Anthony Nto.

2:20:05Good evening everybody. I'm

2:20:07Anthony Nuto. I'm the president

2:20:09of the Springfield Area Land

2:20:10Association.

2:20:11Um, I want to let everybody know

2:20:13that I do appreciate your hard

2:20:13work. I know it's not easy

2:20:16sitting in this horseshoe, um,

2:20:17everybody does a good job of,

2:20:19good job up here, and I total

2:20:21respect.

2:20:23You and your positions.

2:20:25So being an Italian sometimes

2:20:27when I get excited I get a

2:20:28little bit loud. Now this

2:20:29doesn't mean I'm mad. I'm just

2:20:31loud.

2:20:32So,

2:20:34I want to address what one of

2:20:37last week's Speaker stated about

2:20:40the non-binding referendum, she

2:20:41stated that the fee for

2:20:42registering would be $25.

2:20:45Um,

2:20:46Those fees always end up going

2:20:47up. That's just what happens.

2:20:50Um, but that is for only one

2:20:53part of the non-binding

2:20:54referendum question. What about

2:20:55the other two?

2:20:57As usual, proponents cherry pick

2:20:58the least offensive part to talk

2:21:00about the failed to factually

2:21:02inform me about the other items.

2:21:03First of all, it asks the

2:21:06question, this is what the

2:21:07referendum asks.

2:21:09Shall the city of Springfield

2:21:13adopt a landlord registry

2:21:17inspection and licensing program

2:21:20.

2:21:21Similar to other cities.

2:21:22I believe that what they're

2:21:23asking for is what they want.

2:21:25They were

2:21:25They want all of it.

2:21:27Putting together a registry

2:21:29licensing and inspection program

2:21:31would be very expensive and

2:21:33would have to be funded by the

2:21:34city, adding to the city's

2:21:36budget.

2:21:36would have to be paid for with

2:21:38higher taxes on everyone.

2:21:41So Landlord registration would

2:21:43increase your taxes.

2:21:44So vote no on the tax increase.

2:21:47While I'm on that subject.

2:21:49Sala is putting up the signs

2:21:50that say just that.

2:21:53There are signs we're putting

2:21:54them up because that's, we

2:21:55believe the voters need to be

2:21:57informed of this. Free speech is

2:21:58one of the most protected rights

2:22:00that we have as Americans.

2:22:02Apparently there are some on the

2:22:04other side of this issue that do

2:22:06not believe in free speech and

2:22:08are taking down and stealing our

2:22:11signs all over the city.

2:22:15That is what socialists and

2:22:17communists do to hide the truth

2:22:18from the people.

2:22:20All the signs put up on 11th

2:22:22Street were stolen, all of them.

2:22:24I saw him. I drive down 11th

2:22:26Street quite often. Every single

2:22:27one of our signs on 11th Street

2:22:28was stolen.

2:22:30Out of people's yards, not the

2:22:32boulevard, out of their yards.

2:22:36Some instances stone signs were

2:22:39replaced and they were stolen

2:22:41again.

2:22:41The police have been notified.

2:22:42We got video of it.

2:22:43You know.

2:22:45That's fine.

2:22:49I'm, I'm not gonna talk about

2:22:50this, but

2:22:51Anyway,

2:22:54Springfield already has property

2:22:56registration and landlord

2:22:57registration for problem

2:22:59property is and owners. These

2:23:00are ordinances cover these

2:23:02properties.

2:23:02It's always said that good

2:23:04landlords are not the problem,

2:23:05and we just want to go after the

2:23:06bad actors.

2:23:07If that is so.

2:23:09Why do all the landlords have to

2:23:11be registered?

2:23:14Requiring registration,

2:23:15licensing, and inspections of

2:23:18rentals is discriminatory and

2:23:19punitive to renters and housing

2:23:21provider providers.

2:23:22I'm gonna go off speech now

2:23:23cause I wanna tell you guys.

2:23:25I appreciate what I hear in this

2:23:28council about using the tools

2:23:29that we already have. I

2:23:30appreciate you looking up and

2:23:31trying to find out about the

2:23:34vacant property ordinance. It's

2:23:35a good ordinance.

2:23:37Figure out how it works and be

2:23:39the advocate that says, hey,

2:23:41we've, we've been 30 days here.

2:23:42Let's go to the next step,

2:23:44because that's what it takes.

2:23:46Somebody has to advocate for

2:23:47that stuff. I've done it before

2:23:49on properties in my areas that

2:23:51have been problems and you have

2:23:53to do that and I commend you for

2:23:54doing that. I really do.

2:23:57Ensuring you, you too.

2:24:00Both of you Sean and Roy, for,

2:24:02for looking at these tools that

2:24:04we already have. Let's use them.

2:24:06They're there for a reason.

2:24:08Let's use them, and I, you guys

2:24:11advocate for for those

2:24:13properties that you have, you be

2:24:14the advocate. You be the one

2:24:16that that the Turk calls it in.

2:24:18And after the 3 times, make sure

2:24:20it's put on the side of property

2:24:21.

2:24:22And you know, I kind of like

2:24:24your idea about making sure

2:24:26these properties that are on the

2:24:27side of the property list.

2:24:29Make them have the lawn and the

2:24:31garbage paid for. That's the

2:24:32biggest problem that we have in

2:24:33the city. That's the biggest

2:24:34problem that I have in my rental

2:24:37properties is garbage and, and,

2:24:39and grass. I know some landlords

2:24:41in the area, they, they provide

2:24:43those services and they do

2:24:44charge extra for the rental. So

2:24:46I want to commend all of you for

2:24:47looking at the ordinances that

2:24:48we already have.

2:24:51Thank you very much. Y'all have

2:24:52a good evening.

2:24:54Alderman Williams, did you push

2:24:55your button? Yes.

2:24:57Oh, I, I just wanna thank you

2:25:00again because you're

2:25:01participating with, you know

2:25:04that, uh, we appreciate your

2:25:06participation and you coming

2:25:07forward. I did wanna, uh, you

2:25:08know, someone said to me, well,

2:25:11Alderman, uh, you know there's

2:25:13good landlords and bad landlords

2:25:15, and I do agree.

2:25:17It's no different than good

2:25:19drivers and bad drivers.

2:25:20But we all still have to stop at

2:25:22stop light.

2:25:24I can't say we shouldn't have

2:25:26stop lights because I'm a good

2:25:27driver.

2:25:28We have to stop at the stop sign

2:25:30. I just don't speak.

2:25:32I just don't speed, I just don't

2:25:34run stoplights. So I have no

2:25:35problem. So what I would say

2:25:38with landlords it's the same

2:25:39thing. If you're a good landlord

2:25:42, don't feel threatened. Just

2:25:43keep doing what you're doing,

2:25:44being a good landlord cause it

2:25:46should never impact you if you

2:25:47truly are a good landlord.

2:25:50Because it is still one of those

2:25:53situations that deserves to take

2:25:54a look at, at what we have on

2:25:56the books and anything new that

2:25:58we may wanna add to improve this

2:26:02uh occupation, the business,

2:26:03whatever you wanna call it, uh,

2:26:06there's nothing wrong with

2:26:08regulation.

2:26:08With making people have a better

2:26:10experience with it rather than

2:26:11the tenant or the landlord. I've

2:26:14always said there's bad tenants

2:26:16and there's bad landlords.

2:26:18That's why everybody is invited

2:26:19to the table. We all have to

2:26:21follow rules. This is just to be

2:26:22one of those cases, uh, I'm a

2:26:24good driver so I don't worry

2:26:26about all that regulation that

2:26:27though I have to register my

2:26:30vehicle. I have to get a license

2:26:32.

2:26:32But I'm a good, so I don't feds

2:26:35or anybody. No, we don't need

2:26:36that because we're good.

2:26:38So I hope you can see the

2:26:41relationship I'm saying, so you

2:26:42understand we're not picking on

2:26:44good landlords. We're just

2:26:46fixing problems that exist in

2:26:48what part of what they do for

2:26:50occupation. Thank you, sir.

2:26:51Thank you, some of my time. I

2:26:52had a little time left.

2:26:55I think that we're done, but

2:26:56thank you, sir. Thank you. All

2:26:57right.

2:27:00Clerk.

2:27:00And Loke.

2:27:048 more.

2:27:14For the record, I'm not a

2:27:15communist.

2:27:16OK.

2:27:18Uh, I did want to make it clear

2:27:21that, um, in respect to

2:27:23landlords having uh safety.

2:27:24We could do a a registry where

2:27:26the city inspectors and zone

2:27:28managers would only have access

2:27:30to that listing, and it would

2:27:31make their jobs go a lot better

2:27:33and I've heard city officials

2:27:34saying that their jobs would be

2:27:36a lot better. So, moving on.

2:27:39Let's be clear, make no mistake,

2:27:42landlording is a business, a

2:27:44business that has avoided being

2:27:46licensed while other businesses

2:27:48in Springfield have participated

2:27:49in cooperated in for years. Why

2:27:52have they been getting special

2:27:54treatment. The trying the signs

2:27:56sprouting up downtown that a

2:27:59licensing program will raise

2:28:00taxes just demonstrates the

2:28:02capacity to use misleading and

2:28:05intimidation tactics to again

2:28:07avoid the long overdue

2:28:10responsibilities.

2:28:10People are intimidated, tenants,

2:28:12officials who work with and for

2:28:14landlords in strong support of

2:28:16landlord licensing are afraid to

2:28:18go on record.

2:28:21In last week's Illinois Times

2:28:23article, Cristo, I, I'm not sure

2:28:24how to say that, uh, describes

2:28:26how inspections would force him

2:28:27to raise the rent, citing the

2:28:30expensive repair of outside chip

2:28:32paint.

2:28:33Then he discusses the advantage

2:28:35of tenants supplementing their

2:28:36rent by doing their own

2:28:38maintenance, which I have heard

2:28:39can work, but can also lead to

2:28:43harsh disappointment and

2:28:44confusion. Just last week, I

2:28:46spoke with a man who has years

2:28:49of union and public leadership

2:28:50service here in the community.

2:28:52He said just this year after

2:28:53selling his home, he came back

2:28:55looking for a place to rent,

2:28:58interviewed several property

2:28:59owners and asked each one if he

2:29:01rented from them.

2:29:02They address problems on the

2:29:04property, and they all said they

2:29:06could not promise to do that. He

2:29:09found he was better off buying a

2:29:11home instead of paying 3 times

2:29:12the worth of the place in rent

2:29:15where there was no promise of it

2:29:17being maintained. And I think we

2:29:19need to find out why rent is

2:29:22frequently cited as 3 times its

2:29:24worth here in Springfield. I

2:29:25know that doesn't apply to all

2:29:27landlords, but I've heard this

2:29:28more than once, and I think it

2:29:30bears investigation.

2:29:31This summer, some tenants

2:29:32reported that they had no choice

2:29:33but to do their own maintenance

2:29:35for years and then there are

2:29:37those who have, don't have the

2:29:39skills but are expected to do it

2:29:41anyway. Also, I've heard over

2:29:43and over again how a tenant went

2:29:44on into that process of trading

2:29:46maintenance and repair for rent

2:29:48and ended up getting evicted

2:29:49because of a lack of

2:29:52documentation.

2:29:53Clearly, supervision is needed.

2:29:56We do need to have landlord

2:29:59licensing. Nobody says it will

2:30:00be perfect but we aren't talking

2:30:02about chip paint. We are talking

2:30:04about a house on South 7th

2:30:05Street with the floor caving in

2:30:07because the landlord didn't fix

2:30:09the plumbing. In the dead of

2:30:10winter.

2:30:13No insulation and children are

2:30:15cold in Ennis Park. Cardboard

2:30:17windows on a first floor

2:30:18apartment that a house that a

2:30:20woman with her child on Douglas

2:30:22Avenue area. Children, um, not

2:30:25being safe in their homes

2:30:26because of that lack of repair.

2:30:28Heating and cooling in only one

2:30:30room of a house, porches with

2:30:32foot-long holes in the flooring

2:30:34and roofs, ready to collapse in

2:30:36the state street area.

2:30:38And there are many homeowners

2:30:40forced to live next to decaying

2:30:42properties like the Washington

2:30:44Street.

2:30:46The uh whatever you want to call

2:30:47it, it's a mess. Well, absentee

2:30:52landlords are continuing to hold

2:30:54on to the property solely as a

2:30:55tax write-off. And then, um, in

2:30:58some, in one state, they use.

2:31:01punishment for these people as

2:31:02denying their ability to write

2:31:04off taxes if they don't fix the

2:31:06property.

2:31:06One state now, that's what I

2:31:08just said, OK, so tenants should

2:31:10not be forced to reside day in

2:31:12and day out in depressing,

2:31:14degrading, and unsafe living

2:31:15conditions. We can use the a

2:31:17licensing program to put teeth

2:31:19into bringing absentee landlords

2:31:21up to standard because right now

2:31:22, obviously from what you're

2:31:24hearing, we are not doing enough

2:31:27.

2:31:27Kansas City Healthy Homes

2:31:28Program director states that

2:31:30their program is totally

2:31:32fee-based, no taxes, $25 annual

2:31:34license fee, $25 per unit per

2:31:37year, and that they have

2:31:39adequate staff that is the key

2:31:41to their success. If landlords

2:31:43are afraid of fee hikes, the

2:31:44provision can be made that any

2:31:46fee hikes would need to be put

2:31:47to a vote on a city ballot.

2:31:50Let's create a landlord

2:31:51licensing program that

2:31:53encourages and supports

2:31:55responsibility and discourages

2:31:56neglect. Faith coalition.

2:31:57is having, uh, every 4th

2:31:59Thursday, and that's this week,

2:32:02they invite respectful landlords

2:32:04and not name-calling and tenants

2:32:06to respectfully participate in a

2:32:09solution-based discussion at

2:32:105:30 this Thursday, every 4th

2:32:13Thursday. Thank you.

2:32:14Thank you. First Presbyterian,

2:32:17sorry Maddie Watson.

2:32:20Manny Watson.

2:32:23Diana Shaw.

2:32:41Good evening. As I was sitting

2:32:42here, I was thinking about that

2:32:45comment that Rodney King made

2:32:46when he said, can we all just

2:32:48get along, you know, I sat here

2:32:49through the whole time and I was

2:32:51like, wow, I just respect you

2:32:53all as mayor and the work that

2:32:54you have that you have a, a

2:32:56serious big job.

2:32:59And um I just appreciate you and

2:33:00I thank you.

2:33:02OK.

2:33:03I have some handouts if I can

2:33:06respectfully if someone come

2:33:07down and get them for you, ma'am

2:33:08. I appreciate it. Thank you so

2:33:09much.

2:33:11Be real quick because my time is

2:33:13clicking here.

2:33:15Thank you.

2:33:19OK.

2:33:29I

2:33:30I think I might have.

2:33:33I think I gave you my statement.

2:33:35If I can get that back real

2:33:36quick, I apologize. Joanna. Do

2:33:38you happen to have a statement

2:33:39that was hers, OK.

2:33:43She thinks that Joanna has her

2:33:44statement.

2:33:45Looking on Jeff's desk.

2:33:50We're bringing it back to you,

2:33:50ma'am. OK, thank you. Apologize.

2:33:56Thank you so much.

2:33:58OK.

2:34:01Good evening, Mayor Bouche,

2:34:04members of city council and

2:34:05residents of Springfield. My

2:34:06name is Diane Shaw, also known

2:34:08as Lady D. I'm a retired United

2:34:12States Navy veteran, a community

2:34:15housing advocate and a property

2:34:16management consultant.

2:34:18My purpose is to bring tenants,

2:34:21landlords, property managers,

2:34:23elected officials, and our

2:34:26community together through

2:34:28education, accountability, and

2:34:30solutions.

2:34:31Tonight I return with an issue I

2:34:33previously addressed before the

2:34:35council, landlord registration.

2:34:37And I want to begin by saying

2:34:39something very important, my

2:34:41position has changed.

2:34:44Initially I opposed broader

2:34:46landlord registration because I

2:34:48was concerned about additional

2:34:51government spending unnecessary

2:34:54inspections and the cost that

2:34:55could eventually increase

2:34:57tenants.

2:34:57Rent.

2:34:57But rather than remain fixed in

2:34:59my position, I decided to

2:35:02research how other cities handle

2:35:05these issues.

2:35:07I now recognize the benefits.

2:35:10Of a property designed landlord

2:35:13registration and inspection

2:35:14program. However, my research

2:35:17has also raised a serious

2:35:19question.

2:35:22Why to Springfield expand its

2:35:26enforcement system before

2:35:27determining whether the system

2:35:29already in place it is operating

2:35:32effectively.

2:35:32My first point

2:35:34Springfield already has a system

2:35:37.

2:35:37Springfield is not starting from

2:35:39scratch.

2:35:41We already have code

2:35:44enforcements, housing

2:35:45inspections, and administrative

2:35:47hearings.

2:35:48In 2024.

2:35:50The city established a public

2:35:54cited property dashboard and in

2:35:57August 2025.

2:35:59This council adopted an

2:36:01ordinance creating a formal

2:36:03registry for repeatedly cited

2:36:06properties.

2:36:07My question is, how well are we

2:36:11using these existing tools.

2:36:14Page 2 that each one of you have

2:36:17.

2:36:17Is my point to Molly Wallace

2:36:21Investigation and I wanna

2:36:22quickly say that young lady did

2:36:24a marvelous job. She was an

2:36:26intern. She came to Springfield

2:36:29and for the Illinois Times she

2:36:31did an amazing report. If you

2:36:33have not seen that report, you

2:36:35need to get it.

2:36:37October 1st, 2026, Illinois

2:36:40Times reporter Molly Wallace.

2:36:44Published an investigating,

2:36:47investigating examining

2:36:48Springfield housing condition

2:36:50and enforcement records.

2:36:52Her investigation reported that

2:36:55only 5 properties had completed

2:36:58the formal cited property

2:37:01designation process by

2:37:02mid-August of 2026. Yes.

2:37:07The

2:37:07Investigation also documented

2:37:09properties with substantial

2:37:10housing violation histories.

2:37:12Some ownership

2:37:16Organization discussed in her

2:37:17report were absent from the list

2:37:19she examined.

2:37:20Now, that does not mean every

2:37:23property automatically qualify

2:37:25for a formal destination.

2:37:27But it's certainly raised

2:37:29questions and deserves answers.

2:37:32Why are more documented repeat

2:37:35problems.

2:37:37Progressing through the

2:37:38enforcement process.

2:37:39Is it staffing?

2:37:41Record keeping.

2:37:43Administrative delays or

2:37:44something else?

2:37:47Part 3 of my handout that I gave

2:37:49to you, Molly's finding, and the

2:37:52organization identified in her

2:37:54report.

2:37:54My third point

2:37:55My request is for an audit.

2:37:58That brings me to my most

2:38:01important recommendation before

2:38:03expanding.

2:38:05Landlord registration, I

2:38:07respectfully request an

2:38:10independent

2:38:11Performance audit of Springfield

2:38:13existing.

2:38:14Enforcement system.

2:38:16Let's determine what's working.

2:38:18What's not working and what

2:38:19needs to be corrected.

2:38:21I also propose.

2:38:25Examining two existing sources

2:38:27of information first our city

2:38:29code and enforce Smith records.

2:38:33Second, relevant section 8

2:38:36housing inspection records and

2:38:38maintained by the city.

2:38:40Springfield Housing Authority.

2:38:41When legally permitted,

2:38:44We can verify the founding

2:38:46findings from these sources that

2:38:48may help identify properties

2:38:50with repeated

2:38:52Safety problems, ma'am, ma'am, I

2:38:53need you to tie it up because

2:38:54your time is up. We do not have.

2:38:58To reinvent the wheel, we need

2:39:00to make better use of the

2:39:02information and the resources we

2:39:04already have and accountability

2:39:05should not only be to landlords

2:39:08but also to government

2:39:11departments responsible for

2:39:12enforcing the law. 0.4 what

2:39:16other cities taught me back next

2:39:17taught week taught if you as I

2:39:20was saying, I am for it, but I

2:39:22think that we have something in

2:39:23place.

2:39:24And we need to look carefully on

2:39:26what we already have. Thank you,

2:39:27clerk.

2:39:29Brittany Swan.

2:39:31Brittany Swan

2:39:33James Johnson.

2:39:46That it went off.

2:39:49Because there are some shots

2:39:50fired from up here, boy.

2:39:51that.

2:39:54Real.

2:39:54Let me say something to the

2:39:58politicians who be flooding my

2:40:00mailboxes.

2:40:00With all that literature.

2:40:02Um,

2:40:05All that money you're spending,

2:40:06you could put some of that De

2:40:08Niro money gift cards, cash into

2:40:10my mailbox and I would

2:40:12appreciate that more than all

2:40:13this literature. I can't wait

2:40:15till the election is over.

2:40:16But that ain't what I'm up here

2:40:18for, but while I'm talking about

2:40:19that, let me throw this in there

2:40:21.

2:40:22I think citizens ought to start

2:40:23charging politicians for signs

2:40:25and everybody's yard because we

2:40:26all can use some pocket change.

2:40:28I know I could. I'm just saying.

2:40:31Murdoch

2:40:32You know you're my man.

2:40:35But I think we're gonna have to

2:40:36start checking.

2:40:37To see if all your lawyers have

2:40:39passed the bar.

2:40:40you.

2:40:41So we're gonna start with you. I

2:40:42need proof.

2:40:43Lawyer over here, Mr. Scott, I'm

2:40:45gonna need some proof of y'all

2:40:46passing the bar too.

2:40:48Now, let me move on to what I

2:40:50put on paper.

2:40:52Injustice.

2:40:53Anywhere.

2:40:55It's injustice everywhere.

2:40:58And for you scholars around here

2:40:59, you guys know who.

2:41:01That quote is,

2:41:04And I'm saying this because.

2:41:08Nolan Wells, we stand with him

2:41:10and his family.

2:41:11That family.

2:41:13It's not enough talked about it.

2:41:15Our local news, which is gonna

2:41:17go into my next point. We don't

2:41:18talk enough about.

2:41:20Stuff like that.

2:41:23But let me do this and say,

2:41:25We have all been lied to for

2:41:27years.

2:41:28The news.

2:41:31TV 20 refused to play.

2:41:33Tell the truth is it's always

2:41:35they side in their lives and

2:41:37they're.

2:41:37Part of the problem and

2:41:39And the

2:41:41Propaganda that goes on.

2:41:44The the indictment of 20 black

2:41:46males.

2:41:47And one even charged with the

2:41:48RICO law.

2:41:50Like really the Rico law here in

2:41:53Springfield.

2:41:53But OK.

2:41:55But we always get accused in our

2:41:57neighborhood, and let me start

2:41:58right there. I appreciate.

2:42:01The aldermen and all the women

2:42:03who who ask questions, push and

2:42:05fight. You got my support when

2:42:07it's time for that election time

2:42:09I like it.

2:42:13But

2:42:13We always hear about gangs.

2:42:16And you really need to do to the

2:42:17history.

2:42:19On gangs and how they started.

2:42:22And the reason why they started.

2:42:24But we've been lied to.

2:42:27Because if you let

2:42:29The news tell it.

2:42:31We the bad people.

2:42:33Black and brown.

2:42:35But let me give you some facts

2:42:37in my 2 minutes and I'm gonna

2:42:38make it real quick.

2:42:40The last school shooting in

2:42:42Oregon.

2:42:42The mass shooting.

2:42:43White male.

2:42:46Most of all of the school mass

2:42:49shootings.

2:42:49White males.

2:42:52The burger joint.

2:42:54White male.

2:42:57How about this 1 January 6, 2021

2:43:00, US Capitol.

2:43:03White males.

2:43:05The threat

2:43:07To shoot.

2:43:11The child molester, dictator

2:43:13sitting in office.

2:43:14You know who did that?

2:43:15White male.

2:43:16You know what's

2:43:19Out of all of that.

2:43:21And should I go on with the

2:43:23shootings cause there's more.

2:43:27I did not hear one time the word

2:43:29thug.

2:43:34Criminal

2:43:34Foreigner, illegal immigrant,

2:43:36with nobody talking about that.

2:43:38You know why?

2:43:40Because the crimes were done by

2:43:42white males.

2:43:44The black male.

2:43:47It's not the threat.

2:43:50We are the chosen ones.

2:43:53So Lake, let them put them shot

2:43:55spirals up and do whatever they

2:43:57want.

2:43:57But we're not the problem.

2:44:00We never have been.

2:44:02They wanna paint the picture

2:44:03like we're the problem.

2:44:05But we're not.

2:44:07And I'm gonna keep coming and

2:44:09telling the truth about history.

2:44:12Because I've been a black male

2:44:13for, for a while.

2:44:17And the stuff and the history

2:44:19that ain't been told is the

2:44:20truth.

2:44:22But I'm gonna end with this.

2:44:25Babylon is crumbling.

2:44:28And the chickens are coming home

2:44:29to roost.

2:44:30You can best believe that.

2:44:33William Acton.

2:44:48The

2:44:49Good evening, uh, mayor and

2:44:50members of the council. My name

2:44:52is William Acton. I am a

2:44:55licensed clinical professional

2:44:56counselor and a lifelong

2:44:58Springfield area resident living

2:44:59in Ward One.

2:45:00Last week an incident I was

2:45:03involved in came up during

2:45:04conversation here and I wanted

2:45:06to tell you all what happened

2:45:08and why it still concerns me. Uh

2:45:09, thank you for those who raised

2:45:10it and for those that I hope

2:45:13talked to over the past week.

2:45:16On Monday the 13th, shortly

2:45:17before 7:00 p.m., I parked in

2:45:19the empty mall lot near the east

2:45:21bus station to eat my dinner.

2:45:23Within minutes, a 12 year old

2:45:24boy approached my car and asked

2:45:25for a ride home.

2:45:26He had taken the bus to the mall

2:45:29, missed the last buses, and

2:45:30didn't know how to get home.

2:45:32He had no phone and didn't know

2:45:34his parents' numbers or exactly

2:45:36where he lived. He also

2:45:37mentioned that he hadn't had

2:45:38much to eat that day.

2:45:40Following my training, I decided

2:45:41the best course of action was to

2:45:42call the police.

2:45:45The 1st 911 operator asked for

2:45:46the child description what he

2:45:48was wearing, how he was behaving

2:45:49, and his race, which I

2:45:51understand is standard protocol.

2:45:53But once he learned that the

2:45:54child was black, it demeanor

2:45:56shifted from urgency to

2:45:57passivity.

2:45:58He told me only a few officers

2:46:00were available on that side of

2:46:01town.

2:46:02And that one would come over

2:46:03when possible.

2:46:05I expected a way to perhaps 15

2:46:07minutes.

2:46:08Instead, I waited over an hour

2:46:10with a child who grew increasing

2:46:13increasingly anxious,

2:46:13understandably, because he

2:46:14simply just wanted to go home.

2:46:17After 30 minutes of waiting, I

2:46:18called again to say that the boy

2:46:20was considering walking home,

2:46:21even though he said he didn't

2:46:22know the way.

2:46:24A female dispatcher at this time

2:46:26recognized that I had made a

2:46:28call earlier and since I had no

2:46:30new information to give, sternly

2:46:31told me that they would just get

2:46:32to me when they could.

2:46:34Nearly an hour now after my

2:46:36first call, I phoned a 3rd time

2:46:38to say that I would either order

2:46:40the child an Uber or just drive

2:46:41him home myself.

2:46:45I presume original operator

2:46:47sharply rebuked me, saying I

2:46:48should never have considered

2:46:49having the child, the child in

2:46:50my car and under any

2:46:52circumstances pretty much how

2:46:54dare I.

2:46:55I told him I did not want to

2:46:57transport the child myself, but

2:46:59it that somebody was going to

2:47:00help this boy, whether it was

2:47:01them or me.

2:47:03After 10 minutes after that

2:47:04phone call with both of us,

2:47:06being the child, feeling

2:47:07frustrated and done waiting. I

2:47:09ordered an Uber.

2:47:11After some time waiting, two

2:47:12officers arrived.

2:47:13They seem to almost be confused

2:47:15at first about why they were

2:47:16needed, but once they spoke to

2:47:18the child and learned his age

2:47:20and situation, they became

2:47:21immediately responsive and got

2:47:23him home safely.

2:47:24I'm not here to fault those

2:47:26officers. They appeared to be

2:47:27working from the information

2:47:28they were given.

2:47:30But someone who monitors the

2:47:32police scanner told me they only

2:47:33heard one dispatch after 8:00

2:47:35p.m., which was more than an

2:47:36hour after my first call.

2:47:38The attitude of the dispatchers

2:47:39left me feeling frustrated and

2:47:42unsupported. I left feeling that

2:47:43I had done something wrong and

2:47:44that I should never have

2:47:45bothered to even try to be a

2:47:46good Samaritan.

2:47:48This is just one incident among

2:47:50many, and it points to systemic

2:47:52problems in both our dispatch

2:47:53centers and policing departments

2:47:55.

2:47:55To protect and serve should not

2:47:58only apply to responding to

2:47:59crimes. It should mean serving

2:48:01this community in all kinds of

2:48:02emergencies.

2:48:04Officers are not babysitters,

2:48:05but every situation that

2:48:07requires them deserves urgency.

2:48:09Some situations, especially life

2:48:10or death ones, rightly demand a

2:48:12faster response.

2:48:13That did not mean that other

2:48:15emergencies should be pushed

2:48:16aside until they either fade on

2:48:17their own or then become a life

2:48:19or death situation.

2:48:21We are now discussing more

2:48:23police vehicles, more cameras,

2:48:24more surveillance, more

2:48:25resources.

2:48:27Before we add resources, we need

2:48:28to examine how we use the ones

2:48:30that we already have.

2:48:32What stayed with me from that

2:48:33night and being told that there

2:48:34are no officers on that side of

2:48:36town, and later hearing that it

2:48:37was peak hours.

2:48:39I have to wonder whether

2:48:41officers were available

2:48:42elsewhere in town, but weren't

2:48:43assigned because of where they

2:48:44were stationed or if even enough

2:48:46officers were on call for the

2:48:47day to meet that peak demand.

2:48:49It did not take over an hour to

2:48:51drive from one side of town to

2:48:52the other.

2:48:54We need to evaluate the quality

2:48:55of the work that we have already

2:48:57been done because more money is

2:48:58not going to be a miracle cure.

2:49:01We also need more mental health

2:49:03support, both for our citizens

2:49:05and for our officers, something

2:49:06that our older woman has brought

2:49:08up numerous times to know about.

2:49:10A gym that was discussed last

2:49:12week is a good outlet for people

2:49:14, but it does not replace the

2:49:15proper mental health treatment

2:49:16that we need.

2:49:18If we cannot dedicate a fraction

2:49:19of our budget to the people who

2:49:20are actually doing this work,

2:49:22the new vehicles, cameras, and

2:49:23equipment will just be money

2:49:24that's thrown away.

2:49:26I also strongly disagree with

2:49:27statements that have been made

2:49:28here about how the city council

2:49:30does not have the responsibility

2:49:31to police the police. All

2:49:33branches and departments of

2:49:34government should have checks

2:49:36and balances. If the city does

2:49:37not keep the police department

2:49:38in check, no one will.

2:49:39And that's one of my great

2:49:41ancestors, Lord Afton. It's

2:49:43famously credited with saying,

2:49:45power tend to corrupt and

2:49:46absolute power corrupts

2:49:47absolutely.

2:49:47We need to make sure that we do

2:49:49not let any department of the

2:49:50city exist in a state of

2:49:52absolute power that cannot be

2:49:54questioned and constructively

2:49:55criticized. If we want the

2:49:56police to be a force for good,

2:49:58we must start asking difficult

2:49:59questions and must start

2:50:00listening to the citizens who

2:50:01experienced the cracks in the

2:50:02system firsthand. Thank you for

2:50:04your time, sir, if you will

2:50:05pause just for a minute, uh,

2:50:06there's an alderman who signed

2:50:06up to speak, but I asked for.

2:50:08Uh, Chief be able to come in so

2:50:10we can discuss the situation

2:50:11with you. Um, I'm believe that

2:50:15he is privy to information, so I

2:50:17, I don't, I think that, so I

2:50:19spoke briefly to them last week

2:50:21and.

2:50:21have been able to get some good

2:50:23information from him too. OK,

2:50:23well, I'll have him follow up

2:50:25with you because it sounded

2:50:25tonight like maybe you weren't.

2:50:28It wasn't totally.

2:50:30be clear, so pretty much just

2:50:32bring up that, you know, I

2:50:33believe that these conversations

2:50:34that we've been having as far as

2:50:36resources are ones that still

2:50:37need to be discussed because

2:50:38there's still cracks in the

2:50:40system across the place. OK,

2:50:42Alderman Williams. Yeah, thank

2:50:43you, Mayor. Thank you for coming

2:50:45. I, I was the one that brought

2:50:47it up last week and, and I did

2:50:49get the answer from the chief

2:50:52that uh happened during their

2:50:53peak time, you know, um.

2:50:56Uh, I don't know what really

2:50:57that means except it probably

2:50:58was really busy like he's saying

2:51:00in peak time and uh how many was

2:51:02on. I could have went on and on,

2:51:04but you know there's a 1100 of

2:51:06you.

2:51:07That could come here and tell

2:51:08stories like this. I did share

2:51:10with the council of being

2:51:13physically somewhere where

2:51:14something happened that I

2:51:15thought we should, but again I

2:51:16was stuck with this.

2:51:18I, I am now trying to learn more

2:51:21about uh our response times and

2:51:24our system in particular,

2:51:26because for the first time it

2:51:27really hit me that there's other

2:51:31dispatchers or other

2:51:32jurisdictions dispatchers that

2:51:35are, are doing that that first

2:51:36piece there and I'm not sure if

2:51:39that's good for our citizens if

2:51:40if it's gonna delay our time

2:51:42because we're connected to a

2:51:44whole county, uh, but then they

2:51:46have their own police force, so

2:51:47I'm still having to.

2:51:49Do some research to understand

2:51:52everybody's role and how a

2:51:53Springfield police officer

2:51:54couldn't couldn't have got there

2:51:55sooner for a 12 year old.

2:51:57You know, uh, you know, a lot of

2:51:59thoughts went through my mind.

2:52:00Was it because we're on the

2:52:01wrong side of town, had to be on

2:52:02the east. It was 5 minutes, you

2:52:04know, I don't know, but I have a

2:52:07lot of examples. You're just one

2:52:10who was knowledgeable first and

2:52:12had the courage to come and

2:52:14share this information. I think

2:52:15it is important because it leads

2:52:17back to our discussions. We give

2:52:19them a lot of resources, tons of

2:52:21money for a lot of resources

2:52:23that we should have better

2:52:24police servicing.

2:52:26And I don't see that right now

2:52:27I'm not ready to point the

2:52:29finger at the officers cause I

2:52:31think it's within the

2:52:33environment in which they're

2:52:34working in, which is set up

2:52:36politically.

2:52:36I don't know that same

2:52:38accounting needs to be involved

2:52:39with this this dispatch part,

2:52:40but I gotta do a lot of learning

2:52:42because I'm hearing this guy put

2:52:43in place a few years ago. I

2:52:45apologize to you for the delay

2:52:47this, but I understand how you

2:52:49feel because I just felt that

2:52:50way a couple of months ago when

2:52:52we was in a real threatening

2:52:54situation. We never got our

2:52:55police.

2:52:56Officer.

2:52:57So thank you again for coming.

2:52:59uh, this is no knock against the

2:53:01police officers. This is gonna

2:53:03be some looking into and asking

2:53:06more questions about if we're

2:53:07gonna give you the tools and

2:53:08give you the resources, we

2:53:10surely hope we don't keep having

2:53:12to deal with these outcomes like

2:53:14what you experienced, so thank

2:53:15you, sir.

2:53:16Older woman Notriano, thank you,

2:53:18Mayor. Um, yes, thank you for

2:53:21coming to speak on this, um, I

2:53:27have a another situation, um,

2:53:30similar to yours that residents

2:53:33shared to me last, shared with

2:53:34me last week at a um

2:53:37neighborhood association meeting

2:53:38, um, they live in an apartment

2:53:41complex on South Grand, and they

2:53:45have uh an, an issue.

2:53:48with someone who is unhoused and

2:53:51hangs around their apartment,

2:53:54and sometimes becomes.

2:53:56A problem, um.

2:53:58I, I would like to give a shout

2:54:00out because they did to Officer

2:54:03Taylor, who's been very helpful,

2:54:06but they reported that um, you

2:54:08know, a lot of times the issues

2:54:10don't reach 911 level. So they

2:54:13call the non-emergency line, and

2:54:15they say that customer service

2:54:17is not where it should be, um.

2:54:21They did, did not get a positive

2:54:27or um uh let's say friendly

2:54:29response, um, and the one time

2:54:31that there was an emergency, uh,

2:54:35this person was exposing himself

2:54:38and you know, their children and

2:54:39all sorts of people around, um,

2:54:44and no officers, uh, were

2:54:47available slash, you know, it

2:54:49took a long time. Actually, I

2:54:50don't think anyone

2:54:51showed up in that instance, but

2:54:53um.

2:54:53Correct me if I'm wrong, uh, and

2:54:56, and I asked, well, how about,

2:54:59uh, the our homeless outreach

2:55:02team and, um, apparently.

2:55:05Hm

2:55:06That connection had never been

2:55:09made, um, between the, the

2:55:12non-emergency dispatcher and, um

2:55:14, this situation with this

2:55:17individual, uh, we heard last

2:55:20week that um staffing at the

2:55:22police department is at its

2:55:23highest levels ever, um, so

2:55:26whenever I hear stories like

2:55:27yours and stories like this

2:55:30resident, um, it.

2:55:31And, and by no means are those

2:55:34the only two stories I've heard,

2:55:37uh, it's, uh, it's troubling and

2:55:39, and I don't understand, um,

2:55:41why?

2:55:43Why we don't have more folks who

2:55:48, uh, can respond to these

2:55:49issues in a timely manner, um.

2:55:53Yeah, I, I don't have a solution

2:55:55, um, but I agree with you,

2:55:57Alderman Williams. I, I wouldn't

2:55:58put the blame on the officers,

2:56:04um, deploying resources and um.

2:56:08Managing workloads and things

2:56:10like that. That's management

2:56:12level, um, stuff, so, um.

2:56:15Yeah, the oversight continues.

2:56:17Thank you. Chief Bill is chair.

2:56:20My left, your right, sorry.

2:56:25Anyone else? Oh, I'm sorry,

2:56:27Vanessa Knox.

2:56:37Good evening.

2:56:41me.

2:56:41A couple of weeks ago.

2:56:44There was a very uh concerning

2:56:48video that many have watched.

2:56:50Here in Springfield, Springfield

2:56:52PD came in, uh, a family's home.

2:56:56It was a tremendous amount of

2:56:57them. I know some have touched

2:57:00on.

2:57:01Making references to those

2:57:02videos, but, uh, or that video,

2:57:04um, but I'm very concerned about

2:57:06it.

2:57:06Uh, and I have some questions.

2:57:10It reminded me.

2:57:13When that many officers came in

2:57:15a person's house and the people

2:57:18were constantly asking what are

2:57:19you doing here? You know, get

2:57:20out of here and things like that

2:57:22.

2:57:23It reminded me of footage I've

2:57:25seen in developing countries

2:57:26that don't have the laws that we

2:57:28have.

2:57:29That's what it reminded me of. I

2:57:30had to really look twice and

2:57:32just recognize the uniforms at

2:57:33Springfield PD.

2:57:36Um

2:57:36I want to know

2:57:39Did they have any form of a

2:57:41search warrant to go in there.

2:57:44And go through that person's

2:57:45house in the manner they did.

2:57:47One of the officers put his hand

2:57:50on a person's throat and pushed

2:57:52him up against the wall and

2:57:53pushed him twice.

2:57:55During that time.

2:57:57Um,

2:57:59That's not normally what

2:58:01Our laws say should happen.

2:58:03So I'm wondering what I'm

2:58:04missing with that, um,

2:58:08It just didn't even look like

2:58:09something that could be from

2:58:10this country, the way they, they

2:58:11acted in there.

2:58:15I'm wondering, did they find any

2:58:16drugs? Was there a large amount

2:58:17of that or contraband? Was there

2:58:19kidnapped people in the back?

2:58:20What, what did they get?

2:58:23From going into that home.

2:58:26In that manner

2:58:26Is what I wanna know. Cause I

2:58:28know what the people are gonna

2:58:30get who almost always get.

2:58:32When that type of behavior

2:58:34happens.

2:58:36And that's PTSD.

2:58:37And that's anxiety.

2:58:41And that's depression and

2:58:42hopelessness and things that

2:58:43happen in burglar came 1012 deep

2:58:48in your home.

2:58:50Fully

2:58:50Armed the way they were.

2:58:54They didn't come in there and

2:58:56leave those people without

2:58:56nothing. They're never going to

2:58:58forget what happened in there.

2:59:00And if there were children in

2:59:01there, they're really gonna

2:59:02suffer.

2:59:03From that. You don't see

2:59:04children on the video, but it's

2:59:06not the whole entire, uh, time

2:59:08from when they got in until when

2:59:10they left.

2:59:12But this is what makes people

2:59:14have nightmares.

2:59:15So if they did go in there and

2:59:18they found nothing and left with

2:59:20nothing.

2:59:22That is more of a violation.

2:59:24than a service.

2:59:26of what happened in that video

2:59:27if you have not seen that video,

2:59:28you can look it up online. Uh,

2:59:31it's all over social media. SPD

2:59:33going into a home and the guy

2:59:34grabbing the, a man who's

2:59:37unarmed there by his throat and

2:59:38pushing him up to the wall. Now

2:59:41why this is another thing that's

2:59:42not on the news. I, I don't

2:59:44understand.

2:59:46with what gets on the news and

2:59:47what doesn't.

2:59:49But that was a violation to that

2:59:51family.

2:59:51Those people in that house and I

2:59:53urge you if you have not seen

2:59:55that, please look at that. If

2:59:57there was a huge find of some

2:59:58form of drugs or contraband. I

2:59:59think the news probably would

3:00:00have had that on there.

3:00:04But that man was violated.

3:00:07And nobody is saying anything

3:00:08about it.

3:00:10It can't be certain people

3:00:11matter and certain ones don't.

3:00:14When we talk about public safety

3:00:16, every time I hear of that here

3:00:19.

3:00:20Alderman Han Hanauer is one of

3:00:21the main ones that says it.

3:00:23We have to have our city safe.

3:00:26We can't have

3:00:28Tourists and and legislators

3:00:30coming in here.

3:00:31And not be safe. Well, black

3:00:32people have to be safe.

3:00:34They have to have public safety

3:00:36as well, and I think sometimes

3:00:38that's forgotten because a lot

3:00:40of the images that we see, see

3:00:43black people and black youth

3:00:44especially as the perpetrators

3:00:46and offenders.

3:00:47But they have to be protected as

3:00:49well. So I want you to remember

3:00:51that. Please look at the video

3:00:53multiple times if you can.

3:00:55And see what you think about

3:00:56that.

3:00:58And see if something else should

3:01:00be said or done, I think most of

3:01:01the people with SPD do a good

3:01:03job. I'm not against police

3:01:04officers or anything.

3:01:07But service is different than

3:01:08offending.

3:01:09And that was a violation from

3:01:10what I saw on there, and I ask

3:01:11you to look at that.

3:01:14And remind you that all people

3:01:16need public safety and need to

3:01:18be regarded in the same, whether

3:01:19if it's 20 living in a house, if

3:01:21it's a shack, if it's a

3:01:23beautiful nice wonderful half a

3:01:25million dollar home. It doesn't

3:01:27matter when police come in and

3:01:29they are fully armed in that way

3:01:31they can kill you just like

3:01:33anyone else that was fully armed

3:01:34would be able to. So that's

3:01:37frightening and people don't go

3:01:38away from that unscathed.

3:01:40Thank you. I'm gonna.

3:01:43Can we get, oh, did you? Oh,

3:01:45sorry, I did not. I thought that

3:01:46was real old. My apologies.

3:01:47Alderman Williams. Thank you,

3:01:49Mayor.

3:01:50Um, I did see the video. I want

3:01:53you to know several of us saw

3:01:53the video.

3:01:56I got several calls on the video

3:01:58.

3:01:59Uh, in my discussion with the

3:02:01chief.

3:02:03They did not have a have a

3:02:05warrant and he's out here. He

3:02:06may come in, but it, it was

3:02:10reported as a domestic

3:02:12disturbance.

3:02:13And listening to the chief.

3:02:15Because there it was a domestic

3:02:19disturbance, there's no warrant

3:02:20needed. They arrived, they

3:02:21looked through the window and

3:02:22they saw all the black males.

3:02:25Two of the black males had their

3:02:27shirts off.

3:02:29Indicating that they were

3:02:30fighting or or just finished

3:02:32fighting or was a fight, but

3:02:34this gave the justification of

3:02:36why you hear all the men

3:02:37screaming, wait a minute,

3:02:38where's your warrant? You can't

3:02:39come in here where I took a job

3:02:41to was the touching.

3:02:43The escalation.

3:02:45Because now they come in.

3:02:47And, and this is going on, but

3:02:49with the pushing and the, you

3:02:50know what you see in the video,

3:02:53it, it could have really turned

3:02:54out to be real bad.

3:02:56And I just want you to know it

3:02:58didn't get ignored now I, I

3:03:00can't control the media or or

3:03:01why they didn't know I'm just

3:03:03trying to give you a little

3:03:04clearance. The chief's back in

3:03:05the room maybe he can give it to

3:03:06you, but I was told when it was

3:03:09when it's domestic like that and

3:03:10they look through that window

3:03:11and they see two guys with their

3:03:13shirt off.

3:03:16There's enough justification

3:03:17there, so that's that that's why

3:03:18they were screaming, get out,

3:03:19what are you doing in here? Get

3:03:20out of my cousin's house,

3:03:21whatever, all that type of stuff

3:03:24so it didn't go unnoticed. It's

3:03:26the real thing I wanted you to

3:03:28know, and I have asked questions

3:03:30about it so thank you Mayor.

3:03:32Thank you. Thank you. Um, yes,

3:03:34same thing, we all 3 got the

3:03:36videos together in text messages

3:03:37and then Chief Bill has sent us

3:03:40an email back addressing or uh

3:03:42assistant chief Leach has sent

3:03:43us an email back addressing.

3:03:45In it, but what I wanted to ask

3:03:48for education purposes and now

3:03:49that you brought this up, um,

3:03:51Chief Bill, would this be

3:03:52something that would be on the

3:03:53transparency page so that

3:03:54everybody could kinda get an

3:03:57indication of what took place or

3:03:59what happened? How does that

3:04:00work just so that the community

3:04:01knows since Ms. Vanessa came up

3:04:03to talk about the story.

3:04:07and I'm, I don't know how that

3:04:09goes, like what goes on there.

3:04:11Yeah, 110,000, 115,000 calls for

3:04:13service a year, right? Um, use

3:04:14of force is very minimal when it

3:04:16pertains to 100 that that ratio

3:04:18of how many calls we actually

3:04:19answer, um, but there is uses of

3:04:21force, but the, the question is,

3:04:23is at what threshold do we reach

3:04:24to put something on transparency

3:04:27page, um, if we put every single

3:04:28use of force or every single

3:04:30what somebody wants to question

3:04:31the incident on the transparency

3:04:32page, that would be my full-time

3:04:34job and I, I wouldn't be able to

3:04:35be here tonight because in my

3:04:35home.

3:04:37That has like a video like you

3:04:40indicated we only saw a small

3:04:41portion of the video, so we,

3:04:43even when you was explaining it

3:04:44to us 3, we didn't know what all

3:04:46took place, so how do you even

3:04:47address those type of things.

3:04:49Well and that's when we call our

3:04:51stakeholders, you know, call,

3:04:52call their leadership on the

3:04:53horseshoe and say, hey, we have

3:04:54these videos. Why don't you come

3:04:55in and take a look at it real

3:04:56quick and you know, let's have a

3:04:58conversation about it. We call

3:04:59those community stakeholders who

3:05:00we have relationships with come

3:05:02in, let's have a conversation

3:05:03about this and, and, and, and

3:05:05discuss, you know, what happened

3:05:05, what didn't happen.

3:05:06And, and what the, the totality

3:05:09of circumstances are, not just

3:05:09the 10 seconds that we see. I'm

3:05:11glad you brought that up because

3:05:12that was gonna be my next

3:05:14question. I know that that's a

3:05:15big thing for you too is to get

3:05:17the community stakeholders

3:05:18together and I know Vanessa is

3:05:20connected to two or three of

3:05:21them, had they been notified or

3:05:23had you all reached out to the

3:05:27police department about it. OK.

3:05:28I do not. I wanted to ask,

3:05:29it.

3:05:30OK, and Chief Bill, did you do

3:05:33something with it, with some

3:05:35stakeholders, yes. So I think

3:05:36this is important for that to be

3:05:38pushed out there too because she

3:05:40indicated this wasn't getting

3:05:42any media attention, nobody was

3:05:44speaking about it, but we knew

3:05:45we reached out to you, spoke

3:05:46with you, but I think this was a

3:05:48good education moment to figure

3:05:50out what do you do because like

3:05:51you said you have a lot of calls

3:05:53but this one is specific because

3:05:55it's a video footage and it only

3:05:57showed a small portion of the

3:05:59video and not everybody gets.

3:06:01To hear what happened or how

3:06:02many calls had came in before

3:06:04you all had entered that

3:06:06property.

3:06:07Correct, yes. OK, thank you.

3:06:07Thank you, older woman.

3:06:08Thank you, Chief.

3:06:132nd, all those in favor? All

3:06:15those opposed.

3:06:16Adjourned.

3:06:19OK