2026-09-25 - Select Budget Committee

[MUSIC] [MUSIC] -- GOOD MORNING. THE. SEPTEMBER 25th, 2026 SELECT BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING WILL COME TO ORDER. IT IS 9:30 A.M.. I'M DAN STRAUSS, CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE

ROLL? COUNCILMEMBER RINCK. -- PRESENT COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA -- PRESENT. -- COUNCILMEMBER SAKA. COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER. COUNCIL PRESIDENT. HOLLINGSWORTH. COUNCIL CHAMBER. COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ. HERE.

COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE. HERE. COUNCILMEMBER LIN HERE. CHAIR STRAUSS SEVEN. PRESENT. -- THANK YOU. THOSE NOT PRESENT ARE EXCUSED UNTIL THEY ARRIVE. WE'RE GOING TO GET RIGHT INTO. WE HAVE COUNCILMEMBER

FOSTER HERE NOW. WE'RE GOING TO GET RIGHT INTO PRESENTATIONS. I SHOULD FOLLOW THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. SO WE WILL HAVE THREE BUDGET BRIEFINGS TODAY ON THE AGENDA. SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

COMMUNITY ASSISTED RESPONSE AND ENGAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I'LL CALL FOR A BREAK. THIS AFTERNOON BETWEEN THE CARE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES. SO JUST

TO BE AWARE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ROLL RIGHT THROUGH TODAY. AND SO BEFORE WE BEGIN, IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, THE AGENDA WILL BE ADOPTED. HEARING NO OBJECTION, THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED. JUST AS PEOPLE

GET SETTLED. I'LL GIVE A COUPLE POINTS, WHICH IS THAT WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO TAKE 30 TO 1 HOUR BREAKS FOR THE DAYS THAT WE ARE ONLY TAKING 30 MINUTE BREAKS. IF YOU NEED TO STEP OFF THE DAIS FOR A MOMENT,

YOU CAN SEE AS WE'RE WRAPPING UP AN ITEM, I'LL BE CALLING EASE BETWEEN EACH ITEMS. BUT THAT EASE IS REALLY ONLY GOING TO BE FOR 30s 45 SECONDS, HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES THE NEXT DEPARTMENT TO PULL UP

THEIR PRESENTATIONS. SO IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE JUST BEFORE THAT, WE JUST NEED TO KEEP FIVE COUNCILMEMBERS ON THE DAIS THAT'S THE HOUSEKEEPING FOR THIS MORNING WITH THAT CLERK. WILL YOU PLEASE READ THE

FIRST ITEM INTO THE RECORD? AS PER USUAL, WE WILL HAVE THE DEPARTMENT ROLL THROUGH THE SLIDES ON AND STOP. IF THERE IS A NATURAL STOPPING POINT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET GET THROUGH THE SLIDES.

AND THEN COLLEAGUES, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS FOR AS MUCH TIME AS YOU WOULD LIKE. I'M TIME AND MYSELF, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO GET YOUR QUESTIONS ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU. CLERK. -- AGENDA

ITEM ONE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION. -- THANK YOU. WITH THAT, CHIEF SALES. MR. ETTER, DIRECTOR PANUCCI. DIRECTOR. WHITSON. WE HAVE COUNCILMEMBER SAKA WITH US. PLEASE

INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND TAKE IT AWAY. GOOD MORNING. -- ANDRE SAYLES INTERIM CHIEF OF POLICE. -- INTERIM BUDGET DIRECTOR FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. -- ALY PENNUCCI CITY BUDGET DIRECTOR. -- WHITSON

COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF. DIRECTOR -- ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY THIS MORNING TO GO OVER OUR PROPOSED 2027 2028 SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET. JUST WANTED TO FIRST START OFF

BY READING OUR SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. OUR MISSION. THE MISSION OF THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TO PREVENT CRIME, ENFORCE THE LAW, AND SUPPORT QUALITY PUBLIC SAFETY BY DELIVERING RESPECTFUL,

PROFESSIONAL AND DEPENDABLE POLICE SERVICE. AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF OUR PILLARS IS CRIME PREVENTION, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, EMPLOYEE SAFETY AND WELLNESS. CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT, RETENTION AND

RECRUITMENT OUR BEST PRACTICES IN POLICING. WE WOULD LIKE TO USE BEST PRACTICES THAT INCLUDES OFFICER SAFETY GUIDELINES AND PERFORMANCE BASED ACCOUNTABILITY TO PROVIDE PROGRESSIVE AND RESPONSIVE

POLICE SERVICE TO CRIME VICTIMS, WITNESSES AND ALL MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WE ALSO BELIEVE IN ETHICS AND INTEGRITY. FOSTER AND ORGANIZATIONAL CULTURE WHERE FUNDAMENTAL VALUES ARE INTEGRITY,

ACCOUNTABILITY, ETHICAL DECISION MAKING, AND RESPECT FOR CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS. STRENGTHENING LINKS WITHIN ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ASSOCIATIONS THROUGH OPEN

COMMUNICATION, MUTUAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND A COMMITMENT TO SERVICE. THIS IS ALSO OUR SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICY. WE ALSO LIKE TO IDENTIFY, PRIORITIZE AND SOLVE PROBLEMS, IDENTIFY AND PRIORITIZE

CRIME PREVENTION AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OUR CHALLENGES USING FLEXIBLE PROBLEM SOLVING APPROACHES AND ACHIEVE THESE RESULTS BY DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT. OUR STRUCTURE AND THE ORGANIZATION IS TO

SUPPORT THE SPD MISSION AND FIELD A WELL TRAINED, SWORN AND NON-SWORN WORKFORCE THAT USES TECHNOLOGY, TRAINING, EQUIPMENT AND RESEARCH STRATEGICALLY AND EFFECTIVELY. NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DAN EDER

-- THANK YOU, CHIEF, AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE SPD PROPOSED BUDGET. THIS FIRST SLIDE PROVIDES THE HIGHEST LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 27 AND 28.

FOR MOST OF THESE SLIDES, I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON 2027. JUST BECAUSE IT'S IT'S AN ALREADY A LOT OF INFORMATION JUST FOR ONE YEAR. BUT OBVIOUSLY IT IS A TWO YEAR BUDGET PROPOSAL. SPD 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET

IS ABOUT $557 MILLION IN TOTAL. THAT'S $550 MILLION OF GENERAL FUND AND NEARLY $7 MILLION OF OTHER FUNDS THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE MORE INFORMATION IN UPCOMING SLIDES, BUT THE KEY TAKEAWAYS I WANT

TO LEAVE YOU WITH ON THIS SLIDE IS THAT THE THE 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDES ABOUT $12.5 MILLION FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDED POLICE OFFICERS, AND THE GENERAL FUND GROWS BY A TOTAL OF ABOUT $66 MILLION, THE

LARGEST REASON BEING ABOUT $58 MILLION OF INCREASED LABOR COSTS. FROM THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ACTED UPON BY THE CITY THIS SLIDE BREAKS DOWN SPD'S 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET. A

TOTAL OF $557 MILLION INTO FOUR CATEGORIES OF SPENDING PERSONNEL, OVERTIME. INTERFUND CHARGES AND A BROAD CATEGORY OF OTHER. 80% OF SPD'S ANNUAL BUDGET IS FOR STAFFING. THAT'S THE. THE BLUE. THE

LARGEST WEDGE HERE IN BLUE FOR PERSONNEL AND IN ORANGE OVERTIME. TOGETHER, THAT TOTALS $447 MILLION OUT OF THE $557 MILLION BUDGET PROPOSAL. AN ADDITIONAL 15% IS SHOWN IN GREEN. THOSE ARE CENTRALLY

ALLOCATED AND NONDISCRETIONARY COSTS THAT COME TO SPD FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS, LIKE THE FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THINGS LIKE FLEET RENT AND OTHER CENTRAL COSTS. IT CHARGES US FOR

BASIC COMPUTER INFRASTRUCTURE AND AND AND SUPPORT. WE GET COSTS ALLOCATED TO US FROM THE CENTRAL HR DEPARTMENT AND OTHER SIMILAR COSTS. AS A RESULT, 95% OR $530 MILLION OF SPD'S $557 MILLION BUDGET IS

FOR A COMBINATION OF STAFFING AND NON-DISCRETIONARY CENTRALLY ALLOCATED COSTS. THAT LEAVES $26 MILLION, OR ABOUT 5%, FOR OTHER COSTS MOST OF WHICH ARE ALSO NON-DISCRETIONARY. HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

THE BREAKOUT. ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, THE LARGEST SHARE OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS ABOUT $7 MILLION FOR THE CITY'S COSTS FOR AUTOMATED TRAFFIC SAFETY CAMERA PAYMENTS TO THE

VENDOR WHO MANAGES THAT PROGRAM FOR THE CITY. THERE ARE ALSO ANOTHER CATEGORY IS TECHNOLOGY, UTILITIES AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL CHARGES, WHICH INCLUDES CHARGES TO TRAIN NEW RECRUITS AT THE. THE ACADEMY

AND THEN ALSO NECESSARY EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES FOR POLICE OFFICERS, INCLUDING BULLETS, BULLETPROOF VESTS, GAS MASKS, HELMETS, TASERS AND THE LIKE. THERE'S ALSO SMALL AMOUNTS OF BUDGET ABOUT $770,000

FOR TRAVEL AND TRAINING, AND A LITTLE OVER $100,000 FOR CAPITAL. OKAY, I MENTIONED THAT STAFFING IS THE LARGEST SHARE OF OUR ANNUAL BUDGET. THAT INCLUDES OVERTIME AND AND PERSONNEL COSTS. I'M GOING TO

THE NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES WILL ADDRESS THOSE TWO CATEGORIES. SO THIS SLIDE ON OVERTIME SHOWS THE BUDGET FOR HOW MUCH WE SPEND ON OVERTIME IN BLUE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. IN. ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK

AT THAT IS HOW MANY HOURS OF OVERTIME DO THOSE DOLLARS PURCHASE? THAT'S SHOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN IN RED. IN BRIEF, THE I'M SORRY, IN EACH OF THE SLIDES, THERE ARE THREE DATA POINTS.

THERE'S THE 2025 ACTUALS ON THE LEFT OF EACH SLIDE. THE 2026 ADOPTED LEVELS IN THE MIDDLE AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS THE 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET. SO WHAT I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH IS THAT THE COST OF

OVERTIME DOLLARS HAS INCREASED FROM 2026 ADOPTED BUDGET TO THE 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET. THIS IS DUE TO HIGHER LABOR COSTS, BUT THE AMOUNT OF FUNDED OVERTIME SHOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE REMAINS UNCHANGED

FROM 2026. ADOPTED BUDGET TO THE 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET. YOU'LL SEE THAT'S AT 470 300 ZERO HOURS IN BOTH 26 AND THE PROPOSED 27. THIS IS ANOTHER LOOK AT OVERTIME, AND IT ANSWERS THE QUESTION WHAT WHAT

DO WE USE OVERTIME FOR 70 I'M SORRY. AND THIS THIS IS TAKING A LOOK AT THE YEAR TO DATE SPENDING FOR 2026. WE THINK THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD APPROXIMATION OF WHAT ALL OF 2026 CATEGORIES WILL LOOK LIKE ON

A PERCENTAGE BASIS. AND IT ALSO IS REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW WE PLAN TO SPEND THE MONEY IN 27 AND 28. AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, ABOUT 70% OF OVERTIME IS SPENT FOR THE THREE CATEGORIES IN BLUE, RED, AND GREEN.

I'LL GO THROUGH THEM ONE AT A TIME. THE SINGLE LARGEST USE OF OVERTIME IS SPECIAL EVENTS. THIS IS SHOWN IN BLUE SPD IS REIMBURSED EITHER DIRECTLY OR THROUGH PAYMENTS TO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND FOR

SOME OF THE OVERTIME WORK THAT IT DOES. THE SECOND LARGEST USE OF OVERTIME IS AUGMENTATION. THAT'S SHOWN IN RED IN THE PIE CHART. AUGMENTATION IS WHAT WE CALL ASSIGNING OVERTIME HOURS TO MEET MINIMUM

STAFFING REQUIREMENTS. AS YOU KNOW, DEPLOYING DEPLOYABLE OFFICERS, WHICH IS OUR THE NUMBER OF FULLY TRAINED OFFICERS, LESS THOSE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO WORK DUE TO LONG TERM DISABILITY OR ILLNESS, IS A

KEY MEASURE FOR DETERMINING WHETHER SPD CAN MEET MINIMUM STAFFING ON REGULAR TIME. SPD DEPLOYABLE OFFICER COUNT IS ABOUT 25% LOWER IN 2026 THAN IT WAS IN 2018. MEETING MINIMUM STAFFING IS NECESSARY

FOR A NUMBER OF PURPOSES, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS ADDRESSING OFFICER SAFETY NEEDS. IT'S ALSO AN EXPLICIT COMMITMENT IN THE LABOR CONTRACTS, AND IT HELPS SPD MEET GOALS FOR QUICK RESPONSE TIMES ON

PRIORITY NINE, ONE ONE CALLS THE LAST CATEGORY IN THIS 70% CHUNK OF THE PIE CHART IS IN GREEN. THAT'S TRAINING, AND IT COVERS TRAINING FOR NEW RECRUITS. THE COST OF FIELD TRAINING OFFICER TRAINERS. IT

COVERS MANDATORY TRAINING FOR OFFICER CERTIFICATION, CROWD CONTROL AND OTHER TYPES OF TRAINING CONSISTENT WITH COMMITMENTS FROM THE CONSENT DECREE AND BEST PRACTICES. I NOTE THAT THIS IS DIFFERENT

THAN TRAVEL AND TRAINING THAT I MENTIONED IN THE EARLIER SLIDE, WHICH WAS ABOUT CONFERENCES. THIS IS NOT ABOUT CONFERENCES. THAT LEAVES 30% IN DARK PURPLE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT COVERS A WIDE RANGE

OF THINGS, INCLUDING SWAT RESPONSES, NARCOTICS, LEGAL INVESTIGATIONS AND ARRESTS, COURT TIME AND EMPHASIS PATROLS. OKAY. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU AS A REMINDER, THE SINGLE LARGEST CATEGORY OF SPD SPENDING

IS PERSONNEL AND OFFICERS. THE COST OF HIRING AND AND HAVING OFFICERS IS BY FAR THE BIGGEST SHARE OF OUR PERSONNEL COSTS. THIS SLIDE IS LOOKING AT OFFICER HIRING IN 2027 AND 2028. SPD USES A STAFFING

PLAN TO HELP OUR LARGE, COMPLEX ORGANIZATION ESTABLISH GOALS FOR THE PACE OF HIRING. THE DATA ON THIS CHART COMES FROM THE STAFFING PLAN. THE STAFFING PLAN MAPS OUT MONTHLY HIRING, TRAINING AND

ANTICIPATED SEPARATIONS BASED ON THE FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. I JUST WANT TO NOTE MAYBE THIS HAS BEEN NOTED IN PREVIOUS ITERATIONS OF THIS PRESENTATION PAST YEARS, BUT YOUR

CENTRAL STAFF ANALYST, GREG DOSS, IS IS IN LARGE PART RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STAFFING MODEL CREATION AND FINE TUNING. I THINK THAT DATES BACK TO APPROXIMATELY 2012. WE STILL USE IT. IT'S STILL VERY

HELPFUL. IN OUR INTERNAL PLANNING AND FOR COMMUNICATION SUCH AS THIS PRESENTATION. SO THE PREDICTED NUMBERS ARE NOT EXACTLY GOING TO MATCH WHAT ACTUAL HIRING LOOKS LIKE. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE A

PERFECT CRYSTAL BALL. WE HAVE SOME CONTROL, SOME MORE CONTROL OVER SOME THINGS THAN OTHERS. FOR INSTANCE, HIRING AND TRAINING IS UP TO US. AND WE MAKE PREDICTIONS ABOUT SEPARATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO

HAPPEN, BUT WE HAVE LESS CONTROL OVER THAT. WE FINE TUNE THE STAFFING PLAN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS WE GET MORE DATA MONTH BY MONTH. AND, AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS ACCORDINGLY. SO I'M SORRY, THAT WAS A LOT

OF DRUM ROLL TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S ON THIS SLIDE. THE LIGHT BLUE LINE THAT IS RISING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT SHOWS OUR PLAN FOR MONTHLY FILLED FTES THAT'S ALL RECRUITS, ALL TRAINEES AND ALL FULLY TRAINED

OFFICERS. IT'S AFTER ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT NEW HIRES. THE TIME IT TAKES TO COMPLETE VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF TRAINING AND A, A AN APPROXIMATION OF WHAT WHAT SEPARATIONS WE WILL SEE. AND AS YOU GET FARTHER AND

FARTHER OUT TO THE RIGHT INTO 2028, I WOULD SAY THAT THE DATA IS, YOU KNOW, A, A, A, A GUIDELINE AND A PROJECTION. BUT THEY'LL CERTAINLY BE CHANGES. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT SPD IS FUNDED TO SUPPORT

1250 FTES IN BOTH 2027 AND 2028. THE HIRING MODEL ANTICIPATES THAT AVERAGE FILLED FTES THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE DASHED RED LINE FOR 2027 AND IN THE DASHED BLACK LINE IN 2028 ARE. I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE

SAID THE NUMBERS. IT'S 1229 EFTS IN 2027, SHOWN IN THE DASHED RED LINE, AND THEN IT RISES TO 1250 IN 2028. THE DASHED BLACK LINE I IMAGINE THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS ON A NUMBER OF THESE SLIDES. I

UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING TO BE WAITING UNTIL THE END. RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. I'M SORRY. WE'RE NOW MOVING INTO THE KEY CHANGES IN THE 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET FOR SPD. THE FIRST CATEGORY IS RECRUITMENT.

RETENTION CHANGES. THESE FALL INTO TWO BUCKETS MEDIA, MARKETING AND HIRING INCENTIVES. I'LL TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME. THE PROPOSED BUDGET WILL ELIMINATE $1.95 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR SPD'S MEDIA MARKETING

CONSULTANT. THIS CONTRACT ALLOWED SPD TO CREATE RECRUITING VIDEOS AND PROMOTE THEM, WHERE POTENTIAL APPLICANTS WOULD WOULD SEE THEM. SPD'S OVERALL MARKETING BUDGET CONTINUES TO INCLUDE MULTIPLE

INITIATIVES, EVEN WITHOUT THE. THE MEDIA MARKETING BUDGET. MEDIA MARKETING CONTRACT. I SHOULD SAY THOSE INCLUDE SOCIAL MEDIA, JOB FAIRS, AND PROFESSIONAL NETWORKING. TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT BECOMING

AN SPD OFFICER. CONTRACTS WITH FIRMS THAT STREAMLINE CASE MANAGEMENT AND THE PHYSICAL AGILITY TEST AND BACKGROUNDING BACKGROUND SCREENING PROCESSES AND FIVE FTES WHO MANAGE THIS WORK ATTEND JOB FAIRS

AND GENERALLY DO WHAT THEY CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT HIRING OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. THE SECOND CATEGORY IS HIRING INCENTIVES. HIRING INCENTIVES ARE FUNDED IN THE 2026 ADOPTED BUDGET

AT ABOUT $1.6 MILLION. THE 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET REDUCES THIS AMOUNT BY NEARLY A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. AND THE 2028 PROPOSED BUDGET REMOVES THE REMAINING $1.1 MILLION. SPD HAS ALREADY STOPPED OFFERING

HIRING INCENTIVES TO NEW RECRUITS AND LATERALS, WHO APPLIED AFTER AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, 2026. HIRING INCENTIVES HAVE BEEN PAID IN TWO INSTALLMENTS WHEN WE HIRE PEOPLE. THE FIRST INSTALLMENT IS PAID

UPON BECOMING AN SPD EMPLOYMENT EMPLOYEE, AND THE SECOND INSTALLMENT IS PAID ONE YEAR LATER. SPD WILL CONTINUE TO PAY THE SECOND PAYMENTS TO ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO QUALIFIED FOR A FIRST PAYMENT. BUT AS I

SAID, WE HAVE STOPPED QUALIFYING PEOPLE FOR THE FIRST PAYMENT AS OF THE END OF AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. THIS SLIDE COVERS A NUMBER OF STAFFING CHANGES AND ALSO IN TWO CATEGORIES VACANT POSITIONS AND

REDUCED STAFFING. THE FIRST CATEGORY VACANT POSITIONS. THE GENERAL FUND DEFICIT CAUSED SPD TO REDUCE PLANNED STAFFING BY NOT FILLING ABOUT FIVE NEARLY $6 MILLION OF FUNDED POSITIONS, AND THE PROPOSED

BUDGET ELIMINATES FUNDING FOR ALL OF THOSE POSITIONS. I DO WANT TO MENTION 1 OR 2 THINGS ABOUT SOME OF THESE POSITIONS, AND THEN I'LL EXPECT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND DO MY BEST TO ADDRESS THOSE. THE

2027. I'M SORRY, I'M JUST GOING TO SKIP AHEAD HERE. SO I'LL TAKE THESE ONE AT A TIME. PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. THE PROPOSED BUDGET DECREASES NINE FUNDED POSITIONS. AND THAT'S ABOUT $3.1 MILLION

FOR THE POSITIONS. AND SOME ADDITIONAL PROGRAM FUNDING THAT WAS ALSO ELIMINATED. THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH HIRING AN ADDITIONAL SIX FTES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY FUNDED IN THE

2026 ADOPTED BUDGET, BUT HAVE NOT TO DATE BEEN FILLED. WE WILL ELIMINATE FUNDING FOR THREE POSITIONS, BUT THE POSITION AUTHORITY REMAINS IN THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER. THIS WOULD ALLOW THE REAL TIME

CRIME CENTER TO EXPAND TO 24/7. ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL. AND I THINK YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A STUDY THAT IS ONGOING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FRAMED AS AN AUDIT OR A STUDY, BUT THERE'S SOME WORK THAT

IS STILL TO BE DONE BEFORE A DECISION IS MADE ABOUT WHETHER AND WHEN TO GO TO 24/7. THE NEXT CATEGORY IS THE CIVILIAN INVESTIGATIVE SUPPORT POSITIONS. THE PROPOSED BUDGET WOULD REDUCE FUNDING BY $1.1

MILLION, AND AND UNFUND SEVEN FTE IN THAT IN THAT UNIT. WE USE RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS TO ASSIST WITH INVESTIGATIONS. WE STILL HAVE FUNDING FOR SEVEN SUCH FTES, AND ABOUT $1.1 MILLION OF

FUNDING FOR. FOR THESE POSITIONS. SO THAT WILL CONTINUE. WE JUST WON'T EXPAND TO AN ADDITIONAL 7 IN 2027. HR POSITIONS. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT EACH OF THESE ONE AT A TIME. THEY'RE THEY ARE A DEI OFFICER

THAT WAS FUNDED AT $207,000 IN THE ADOPT 26 ADOPTED BUDGET. THAT FUNDING AND THE POSITION IS ELIMINATED IN THE. 27 PROPOSED. THERE IS ALSO A 30 BY 30 WORKGROUP SUPPORT POSITION THAT WAS ADDED BY

COUNCIL, WITH THE PROVISO TO FUND THE POSITION. WE HAVE NOT FILLED EITHER OF THOSE POSITIONS AND THEY ARE BOTH PROPOSED TO BE ELIMINATED. THE CHIEF HAS TASKED SPD'S FULL HR TEAM TO ADDRESS HIS

PRIORITIES, TO HAVE SPD HIRING REFLECT THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SERVE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS TOWARD THE GOAL OF HAVING MORE WOMEN SERVE AT ALL LEVELS OF THE POLICE FORCE. SOME EXAMPLES FROM 2026

TO DATE, WE HAVE HAD A 30 BY 30 MARKETING CAMPAIGN SPECIFICALLY GEARED TO PROSPECTIVE WOMEN POLICE OFFICERS THAT WAS THROUGH THE MEDIA MARKETING CONTRACT. AND WE ALSO HAVE BUILT A PROCESS INTENDED TO

ENSURE THAT SPD WOMEN OFFICERS ATTEND TRAINING AND CONFERENCES, INCLUDING THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF WOMEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THE LAST CATEGORY IS IN VACANT POSITIONS, IS LONG TERM POSITION

VACANCIES. THERE ARE THREE FTES THAT ARE FUNDED BUT HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR OVER A YEAR. THERE ARE ALSO TWO FTES THAT WERE UNFUNDED AND SUNSETTING, THAT ARE THAT ARE INCLUDED HERE, BUT HAVE NO FINANCIAL

EFFECT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO BUDGET FOR THEM. MOVING FORWARD. THE SECOND CATEGORY ON THIS SLIDE IS STAFFING REDUCTIONS. SPD, OF COURSE, VALUES ALL OF ITS EMPLOYEES AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO. HOWEVER,

IN LIGHT OF THE VERY CHALLENGING GENERAL FUND BUDGET DEFICIT, THE PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDED SOME VERY DIFFICULT CHOICES AND IT. THE PROPOSED BUDGET WOULD REDUCE STAFFING BY TWO POSITIONS THAT ARE

CURRENTLY FILLED. I'M SHOWING ON THIS SLIDE THREE POSITIONS. THE TOP POSITION IN DATA ANALYTICS IS SUBSEQUENT TO THIS DECK BEING FINALIZED IS ACTUALLY A. NOW A VACANT POSITION. SO THERE WOULD BE NO

LAYOFF IN THAT POSITION. WE WOULD JUST LIKE THE VACANT POSITIONS UP ABOVE. WE WOULD JUST CONTINUE NOT TO BE ABLE TO HIRE FOR THAT POSITION. THERE ARE TWO POSITIONS THAT WILL LEAD TO LAYOFFS. ONE IS A

WEYERHAEUSER, ONE POSITION. IT'S SHOWN AS RECORDS SUPPORT AND IT WOULD SAVE $126,000 IN 2027. THE OTHER POSITION IS AN ADMIN SPECIALIST, ONE IN AUTO RECORDS. ANOTHER RECORDS POSITION. IN BOTH OF THESE

CASES, THE WORK WILL BE ABSORBED BY EXISTING STAFF. THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING THE PLANNED EXPANSION. THE. THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE PLANNED PROGRAM. EXPANSION OF THE AUTOMATED TRAFFIC SAFETY CAMERA

PROGRAM. WE ARE ANTICIPATING INSTALLING SEVEN NEW FULL TIME SPEED CAMERAS IN 2027, WHICH IS EXPECTED TO DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF ANTICIPATED CITATIONS THAT NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF. SO AS A RESULT, WE

ARE PROPOSING TO ADD BOTH VENDOR COSTS TO PROCESS THOSE THOSE CITATIONS AND ADD FOUR FULL TIME POSITIONS FOR THE ADDED WORK, AND THAT BOTH OF THOSE CATEGORIES WOULD BE FUNDED BY THE AUTOMATED

AUTOMATED TRAFFIC SAFETY CAMERA FUND. IT WOULD ALSO MAKE SOME TECHNICAL CHANGES, SHIFTING COSTS, BOTH STAFFING AND THE CAMERA COSTS BETWEEN THE ATSC AND THE GENERAL FUND. AND THEN THE FINAL

SUBSTANTIVE SLIDE I HAVE TO SHARE WITH YOU IS BASELINE WAGE ADJUSTMENTS. THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING TWO TECHNICAL BASELINE ADJUSTMENTS THAT I THOUGHT WERE NOTEWORTHY BECAUSE OF THE THE MAGNITUDE OF THE

COSTS. THE 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDES INCLUDES A NEARLY $58 MILLION BASELINE INCREASE TO PAY FOR COSTS IN THE LABOR CONTRACTS, SPECIFICALLY, IT'S ABOUT $56.5 MILLION FOR THE SEATTLE POLICE OFFICERS

GUILD, OR SPAR, AND THE SEATTLE POLICE MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION. SPMA. FOR THEIR ANNUAL WAGE INCREASE. AND ALSO FOR THE LANGUAGE AND EDUCATION PREMIUMS. THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL $1.2 MILLION FOR THE

SEATTLE PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GUILD. SPIAGGE. AND TOGETHER THAT THAT'S ABOUT $58 MILLION. THE 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET ALSO INCLUDES ABOUT $12.5 MILLION TO PAY FOR ADDITIONAL SWORN OFFICER COSTS.

THERE IS A HIGHER COST FOR OFFICERS HIRED IN 2027 BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST FULL YEAR. SORRY FOR THE I MISSPOKE. THERE'S A HIGHER COST FOR OFFICERS HIRED IN 2026 BECAUSE THEY WORKED FOR LESS THAN A FULL

YEAR. IN 2027. IT WILL BE THEIR FIRST FULL YEAR, AND IT WILL COST MORE TO KEEP THEM EMPLOYED FOR A WHOLE YEAR, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO DO. THERE ARE ALSO ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR NET NEW OFFICERS WHO

WILL BE HIRED IN 2027. AS I SHOWED IN AN EARLIER SLIDE. THAT IS THE END OF MY PREPARED REMARKS AND SLIDES. HAPPY TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS. -- THANK YOU, MR. CHIEF SALES DIRECTOR. ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD AT

THIS TIME? THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE IS CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE OVERSEEING THIS DEPARTMENT. YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AND COLLEAGUES, IF YOU'D LIKE TO RAISE YOUR HANDS NOW, I WILL SPEAK SECOND TO LAST.

I'LL GIVE THE COMMITTEE TABLE A CHANCE TO RESPOND AFTER I SPEAK, AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE WILL HAVE LAST WORD. THANK YOU. -- THANK YOU. CHAIR. THANK YOU. WELCOME, DIRECTOR. BACK. CHIEF SALES, MR.

ETTER AND OUR OWN CENTRAL STAFF. MR. WHITSON. YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING GOING THROUGH THIS BUDGET PROCESS. AND YESTERDAY WE HAD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS, TALKING ABOUT MY AMENDMENT FROM

LAST YEAR, WHICH KIND OF, IN MY MIND CREATES SOME DISCIPLINE IN TERMS OF THE OUT YEARS TO 2030 AND SO FORTH. IT HELPS US FOCUS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE BUDGET FRONT. BUT I'M ALSO THOUGHT,

AND THIS CAME UP YESTERDAY IN TERMS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE AS A COUNCIL, WITH MY AMENDMENT, GOT IN PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND IN FACT, THE

STATE. SO OCR SHOULD HAVE THIS ON THEIR LIST. THE STATE SHOULD ADOPT A LAW THAT INCORPORATES PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT PLANNING INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THE REASON WHY IS WE HAVE TO, WHEN LOOKING

AT PUBLIC SAFETY, LOOK TO THE FUTURE. IF WE HAD 120 YEARS AGO, WE MIGHT HAVE A FIRE STATION ON ON LAKE UNION. MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE A NEW NORTH PRECINCT, MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE A NORTHEAST AND THE

NORTHWEST PRECINCT. I MEAN, THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF 20, 30, 40 AND 50. AND I HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ON THIS FRONT AND

RECENTLY WON AN EXPERT IN THE AREA. AND WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. AND I WAS TOLD IN 2050, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE 1800 OFFICERS IN OUR CITY. WITH THE POPULATION GROWTH AND EVERYTHING

ELSE. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PEER CITIES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO THE RATIOS, BOSTON, YOU KNOW, THESE DIFFERENT CITIES, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF OFFICERS PER 1000

PEOPLE, LIKE 1600 OFFICERS ON THE FORCE. OUR GOAL THE ENTIRE THREE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN OVER 1400 OFFICERS. THE NUMBER 1258 THAT I'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO AGAIN AND AGAIN THIS

YEAR IS INTERMEDIATE GOAL. AND IT'S A GOAL TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM MOVING FORWARD IN TERMS OF POLICE HIRING. UNFORTUNATELY THE 1250 NUMBER IS NOT GOING TO HELP US. I'M SAD TO SAY IT WAS A ROUND DOWN FROM

1258 INSTEAD OF 1260. BUT IN TERMS OF BUDGET SPEAK, OUR NUMBERS UP TO NOW WAS 1184. AND WE HAVE THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE CAN'T BUDGET AND HAVE ALL THAT MONEY SITTING OUT THERE FOR 1400 OFFICERS PLUS,

YOU KNOW, 1184 IS THE BUDGET NUMBER. AND IT MAKES SENSE FROM A BUDGET NUMBER. BUT THE ISSUE NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AS IT RELATES TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, IS

PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GIVEN UP ON THE GOAL OF REACHING 1400 PLUS, WHICH IS REALLY THE MINIMUM THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FOR OFFICERS. IN FACT, THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 2028 IS A BUDGET

THAT HAS ZERO NEW NET HIRES. AND SHOULD WE, AS A COUNCIL, INTERPRET THIS TO MEAN THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE NO LONGER WISHES TO GROW THE SIZE OF THE DEPARTMENT LONG TERM, IT TAKES A YEAR TO TRAIN THE

POLICE OFFICER. I SAY GROW A COP. IT TAKES A YEAR. THE STATEMENT BUDGET IN 28 WILL SERIOUSLY SET US BACK IN TERMS OF REACHING OUR GOAL OF 1400 POLICE OFFICERS. SO MY QUESTION, WE COULD START WITH THE

MAYOR'S OFFICE IS DOES THE MAYOR SHARE WITH THE GOAL OF GETTING TO OVER 1400 OFFICERS? THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ARTICULATED BY POLICE CHIEF'S FORMER ADMINISTRATIONS. AND THIS COUNCIL. IF NOT, HOW MANY

OFFICERS DOES THE MAYOR THINK WE NEED IN SEATTLE? -- I'M GOING TO DEFER THAT QUESTION FOR FURTHER FOLLOW UP FROM OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORS. BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT WHILE THAT WAS A GOAL, IT WAS

NOT GROUNDED IN FINANCIAL REALITY. SO IF THAT IS THE GOAL, THERE NEEDS TO BE A STRATEGY FOR HOW TO PAY FOR THOSE OFFICERS. AND WHAT THIS BUDGET DOES IS REFLECT THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE NOW TO FUND TO

1250 OFFICERS. -- MY GOAL IS TO CREATE A SAFE BASE IN OUR CITY. MY GOAL IS TO CREATE A SAFER SEATTLE. YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR COMES OUT WITH A GUN VIOLENCE PLAN. THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. THERE'S ONE

AREA THAT WAS GREAT OF INTEREST TO ME, AND CHIEF BARDEN JUST LEFT, AND IT'S RELATED TO HER AND HER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY SAFETY FOLKS AS IT RELATES TO GUN VIOLENCE. BUILDING ON WHAT SHE'S

NOW DOING WITH DIVERSION. BUT WHEN THE MAYOR COMES OUT WITH A GUN VIOLENCE PLAN THAT SAYS DIFFERENT PIECES, OH, WE'RE GOING TO HIRE MORE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE BIKE COPS. YOU CANNOT HAVE MORE BIKE

COPS FOR GUN VIOLENCE. YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE BIKE COPS FOR BELLTOWN IN LITTLE SAIGON UNLESS YOU GROW THE OVERALL NUMBER. SO WE CANNOT HAVE THIS ONE PIECE WHERE, OH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRUST ME, HOW

MANY GROUPS, HOW MANY MEETINGS HAVE I HAD? OH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE BIKE COPS IN BELLTOWN. THE DEAL WITH THE DRUG MARKET. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE BIKE COPS IN LITTLE SAIGON, 90 DAYS. WE'RE GOING

TO PRESS FORWARD. I CAN GO THROUGH AN ENTIRE CITY. I CAN GO DOWN THIS ROAD AND TALK ABOUT EVERY PART OF THE CITY WHERE PROMISES WERE MADE TO NEIGHBORHOODS NORTH SEATTLE, NORTH AURORA, OH, WE'RE GOING

TO HAVE MORE BIKE COPS. IT BECOMES AN EMPTY PROMISE IF WE DON'T DO THE WORK ON THE BUDGET SIDE AND MAKE THOSE HARD DECISIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY, IF WE DON'T MAKE THOSE HARD DECISIONS AS IT

RELATES TO PUBLIC SAFETY, EVERYTHING ELSE FALLS APART. YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF OPCD, THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN TERMS IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PUBLIC SAFETY, IF

WE DO NOT HAVE A SAFE BASE IN THE CITY, IT DOES NOT HAPPEN. SO THIS COMES THIS IS A BUDGET MEETING, BUT IT ALSO HAS TO BE ROOTED IN THE REALITIES OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.

DIRECTOR. -- COULD AYE. YEAH, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WILL JUST SAY AGAIN, THE THE PROPOSED BUDGET FUNDS, 1250 SWORN OFFICERS. I HEAR YOU THAT YOU DON'T THINK THAT IS THE RIGHT NUMBER, BUT IT'S LEAVING

GROWTH OPEN ENDED. IT ENDS SOME OF THE FUNDING, BUT IT ALSO THE BUDGET KEEPS MORE THAN $100 MILLION A YEAR OF INVESTMENTS IN OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY INVESTMENTS OUTSIDE OF TRADITIONAL POLICING. SO IF

THERE IS A DIFFERENT CHOICE, YOU NEED TO REDUCE SPENDING IN OTHER PLACES TO CONTINUE TO GROW BEYOND THAT NUMBER. -- WELL, YES, THERE'S CHOICES. AND OBVIOUSLY THE MAYOR AND THE TEAM HAS MADE A CHOICE

TO GO LOW. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE GOAL THIS NEW 1184 NUMBER, THE BUDGET GOAL, NOT A GOAL LIKE IN TERMS OF GROWING THE NUMBERS, BUT A BUDGET GOAL OF 1250, BASICALLY IN 27 LEAVES US WITH ABOUT 1088 FULLY

TRAINED OFFICERS. THAT'S IT. AND IN 28 IT'S 1151. WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE PIPELINE OFFICERS AND FIELD TRAINING RECRUITS AT THE ACADEMY. THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO

HAVE FOR OUR CITY AND THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THE GROUND IN TERMS OF RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION TO, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, I SUPPORT CHANGING UP WHAT WE'RE DOING IN

RECRUITMENT. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE IN A CHANGE PLACE. WE NEED TO DO THINGS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE TO OUR MOMENTUM. LIKE THE INCENTIVES PIECE, YES, WE SHOULD ADJUST IT,

BUT LATERAL TRANSFERS, IF WE GET LATERAL TRANSFERS, ISN'T THAT A NET POSITIVE FOR US? CHIEF SALES, IF WE BRING IN LATERAL TRANSFERS USING AN INCENTIVE FOR THOSE NOT THE NEW HIRES, NOT SOMEBODY FROM

THE STREET, BUT FROM ANOTHER JURISDICTION WITH WASHINGTON STATE, DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE, CHIEF? -- SO I'M GOING TO JUMP IN AND FACILITATE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I DID YESTERDAY. SO I'M GOING TO

BE DOING THE BACK AND FORTH CHIEF OR ANYONE ELSE FROM THE COMMITTEE TABLE. FEEL FREE TO ANSWER THE COUNCILMEMBERS QUESTION. -- YES, I BELIEVE LOOKING AT A WAY TO PROVIDE THE INCENTIVE FOR LATERAL

HIRES, SPECIFICALLY HERE IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON WOULD BE IDEAL. WE TYPICALLY GET ANYWHERE BETWEEN 15 AND 20 LATERAL HIRES A YEAR. THAT WOULD GIVE US POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE READY, THAT HAVE DONE

THE JOB, THAT HAVE LEFT POLICE AGENCIES, HOPEFULLY, WITH GOOD STANDING, AND WE WOULDN'T LOWER ANY STANDARDS TO HIRE A PERSON THAT LEFT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING FOR SOMETHING. BUT

WE WOULD GET GOOD, QUALIFIED OFFICERS FROM THE STATE OF WASHINGTON THAT ARE COMMISSIONED HERE IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON, THAT ARE READILY ABLE TO GO ON THE STREET AFTER A REDUCED FIELD TRAINING

PERIOD HERE WITH THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. -- THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMITTEE TABLE AT THIS TIME? COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR? -- THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF

RECRUITMENT RETENTION, I JUST WANT TO NOTE, WE ESSENTIALLY HAD A WHISTLEBLOWER PIECE. I RECOGNIZE THERE'S STILL PIECES GOING ON IN TERMS OF RECRUITMENT AND SO FORTH. BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME

INDICATIONS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING WHAT WE COULD IN CERTAIN AREAS. AND THIS GOES TO MOMENTUM. THIS GOES TO WHAT MESSAGE WE'RE SENDING. AND AS THE AS PEOPLE SAY, NOW, WHAT'S THE VIBES? AND THAT THAT IS

OF CONCERN TO ME. SHIFTING OVER JUST TWO MORE POINTS, CHAIR SHIFTING OVER TO PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. WHY ARE WE ABROGATING PEOS? WHY ARE WE LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, DROP THIS NUMBER WHEN WE

BARGAINED WITH SPVGG TO GET MORE FLEXIBILITY OF USING PEOS PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FOR THOSE IN THE CHAMBER AND OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT, LIKE WHY ARE WE MAKING DECISIONS RELATED TO PEOS. --

DIRECTOR OR CHIEF SALES? -- THIS IS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES OF AREAS WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN PROPOSED EXPANSIONS OF LABOR COSTS THAT ARE NOT SUSTAINABLE WITHIN OUR EXISTING RESOURCES. IT WON'T IMPACT OUR

REVENUE PROJECTIONS OF WHAT THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WILL BRING IN. AND SO THIS IS A ONE OF THE STRATEGIES USED TO ADDRESS THE BUDGET DEFICIT. -- THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER, DIRECTOR ETTER?

-- YEAH, WE HAVE CANDIDLY HAD TROUBLE FILLING THESE POSITIONS. THEY HAVE BEEN FUNDED FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, BUT MORE THAN TWO YEARS. AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAKE PROGRESS HIRING THE THE

POSITIONS WE CURRENTLY HAVE 17 VACANCIES. THAT'S IT'S HOVERED AROUND THAT LEVEL FOR MANY MONTHS, IF NOT AT LEAST A COUPLE OF YEARS. WE DO EXPECT THAT WITH SOME CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN THE LABOR

CONTRACT THAT CAME THROUGH AND WAS APPROVED, I THINK LAST WEEK THROUGH THE FULL COUNCIL, THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL PAY, WE MAY BE ABLE TO ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE AND AND RETAIN THE ONES WHO ARE

THERE. WE EXPECT TO FILL SEVEN POSITIONS BY. I THINK IT'S BY THE MIDDLE OF 2027. THERE ARE, HOWEVER, NINE POSITIONS THAT WE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FUND WITH THE CURRENT RESOURCES. -- ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE

COMMITTEE? COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR. -- SO ON THIS POINT, I RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE HERE IS, YOU KNOW, WE JUST PASSED THE LABOR AGREEMENT. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN CHALLENGES

THERE, CHIEF SALES, YOU'RE MY FOURTH CHIEF. AND TO BE BLUNT, WORKING THE ISSUES RELATED TO PARKING ENFORCEMENT, IT COMES DOWN TO LEADERSHIP. AND I RECOGNIZE IT'S LOWER AND LEVEL. BUT THE, YOU KNOW,

THE THE EMPHASIS, THE LEADERSHIP, YOU KNOW, SHOWING SOME LOVE TO THE UNIT TO BE FRANK, HASN'T BEEN THERE OVER THE THREE PREVIOUS CHIEFS. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CHALLENGE. THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE

FACT IN TERMS OF IT'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS NOT GOTTEN THE ATTENTION THAT IT NEEDS FROM A LEADERSHIP PERSPECTIVE. I'M JUST SAYING THIS OUT LOUD SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS

THERE. CHAIR, MY LAST QUESTION RELATES TO THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER COLLEAGUES AND FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE TABLE AND EVERYONE HERE, WE WORK THROUGH SO MANY BILLS RELATED TO OUR TECH PROGRAM AND TO

INCLUDE THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER. WE WALKED THROUGH ALL THE PIECES WE BUILT IN, ALL THE PROTOCOLS WE BUILT IN THE COMPUTER AUDITS, AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT PIECES THAT GO TO THE REAL TIME CRIME

CENTER, THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER HELPS OFFICERS BE BETTER, MORE EFFICIENT, MORE EFFECTIVE TO REALLY GET MORE OUT OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING DAY TO DAY, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE IN THIS UNDERSTAFFED SENSE.

AND TO BE BLUNT, PEOPLE WONDER WHY WE STILL HAVE THE ISSUES IN OUR CHRONIC PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES. BECAUSE I'VE SAID THIS IN COMMITTEE AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE A CITY OF TWO

MINDS. WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION AND MOVE FORWARD. WE MADE A DECISION ON THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER 2026. THE LAW SAYS THOSE NINE POSITIONS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FILLED, AND THEY WEREN'T. AND THERE'S SOME

THERE'S SOME PREROGATIVES GIVEN TO THE EXECUTIVE, BUT THAT WAS A MISTAKE BECAUSE THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AND BEING 24/7 MAKES A DIFFERENCE. THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER FROM A

CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT VIEW IS REALLY NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I DID IN MY CAREER. YOU KNOW, 92 WHEN I DEPLOYED ON THE CARRIER OF BOSNIA AND YUGOSLAVIA AND THE WATCH THAT I STOOD ON, OR THE WATCH

THAT I OVERSAW AS THE HEAD OF THE INTELLIGENCE DEPARTMENT ON A CARRIER STENNIS. WHEN WE DEPLOYED IN 2011 OUT OF BREMERTON IN SUPPORT OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. AND I HAD THREE OTHER WATCH INSTANCES IN

BETWEEN, VERY SIMILAR TO THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER. IT'S ABOUT HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER BRINGS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND TO BE FRANK, THE SEVENTH FLOOR DOES NOT

UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER BRINGS TO THE POLICE FORCE. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT INTRINSIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT MEANS. AND SO THIS HAS BEEN A LOST OPPORTUNITY. AND AND TO DO THIS PIECE

HERE WITH THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER ON THE FTES IS A, AGAIN, A, A AN UNFORTUNATE DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY THE ADMINISTRATION. AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. SO AGAIN, IF WE KEEP WONDERING WHY WE HAVE

THESE CHRONIC PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES ON OUR STREETS IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FOLLOW THROUGH LAWS ARE NOT IMPLEMENTED TO INCLUDE BUDGET LAWS. AND THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND CHAIR, JUST TO JUST

TO CLOSE ON THIS, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED ABOUT BEING INFLECTION POINTS, YOU KNOW, BY THE SEATTLE BEING INFLECTION POINT, YOU KNOW, THE REMOVAL, THE OF CHIEF BARNES AS CHIEF OF POLICE BEING AN

INFLECTION POINT. AND THE BUDGET IS THE BIGGEST INFLECTION POINT. AND EACH TIME THERE WAS A BIT OF A ROSY STORY BY THE SEATTLE. OH, NO, NO, IT WAS OVER HERE. OH NO, IT WAS A RESIGNATION. ACTUALLY, IT

WAS REMOVAL FORCED. AND, YOU KNOW, ON TUESDAY, THE PRESENTATION AT THE LIBRARY WAS VERY POSITIVE. OH, WE'RE ADDING POLICE OFFICERS. BUT THIS INFLECTION POINT, THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE SHOWS AGAIN THAT

NOT SO. AND SPD IS KEY IN THIS. IT ALSO COMES UP, AS WE'LL SEE IN FIRE TO. THANK YOU CHAIR. -- THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE COMMITTEE TABLE. ANYTHING THERE. NOPE. WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO

COUNCILMEMBER RINCK. COUNCILMEMBER RINCK. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. -- THANK YOU CHAIR STRAUSS. I WANT TO BEGIN WITH JUST A STATEMENT OF FACT THAT THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDES RECORD SPENDING FOR

SPD, WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET OF OVER HALF A BILLION 557 MILLION TO BE EXACT, AND THE PERVASIVE ISSUES THAT ARE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I WILL JUST SAY I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR TODAY, AND I

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR THE ANSWERS YOU'LL BE PROVIDING. AND TO KICK US OFF, I WANT TO START WITH THE TRAINING BUDGET. AND SO COULD YOU PLEASE WALK THROUGH THE TRAININGS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR 2027

WITH THESE FUNDS? I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY UNDERSTAND, I KNOW ABOUT EMPHASIS TRAININGS ON USE OF FORCE, LESS LETHAL TOOLS, CRISIS INTERVENTIONS, AND CROWD MANAGEMENT -- COMMITTEE TABLE CLOSURES. -- SO

THE TRAINING BUDGET AND THE TRAININGS THAT WE PROVIDE OUR OFFICERS WITH YEARLY ARE STATE MANDATED TRAININGS. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKE OUR QUALIFICATION OF FIREARMS, MAKING SURE OUR OFFICERS ARE

CULTURALLY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CITY THAT WE CURRENTLY WORK IN. WE HAVE THOSE TRAININGS, THERE'S TRAININGS THAT OFFICERS GET SENT TO, LIKE OUR ICAT INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN, THOSE TRAININGS

THAT THEY GO TO ON A YEARLY BASIS. OUR SWAT TEAM NEEDS TO BE RECERTIFIED, AND THE TECHNIQUES AND THE TOOLS THAT THEY USE ON A YEARLY BASIS, GOING THROUGH WITH OUR OFFICERS, WE HAVE GAS MASK TRAINING

THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO USE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF TRAININGS THAT PROVIDE IN THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF TRAININGS THAT OFFICERS GO THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND OUT THROUGHOUT

THE COUNTRY THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH. WE DO HAVE A SYSTEM SET UP FOR THAT WHERE OUR 1.5 SYSTEM THAT WE DO LOOK THROUGH WITH A LOT OF THAT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF TRAININGS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE

TO GO THROUGH YEARLY TO TRAIN THE 929 DEPLOYABLE OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, AND HOPEFULLY MOVING FORWARD MORE WITH THAT. DOES THAT ANSWER THAT? -- COUNCILMEMBER RINCK. -- THANK YOU. CHAIR

STRAUSS A QUICK FOLLOW UP JUST TO THIS POINT, THANK YOU FOR UNPACKING THAT PIECE ON SLIDE SIX. IN THE INFORMATION RELATED TO OVERTIME, I'M SEEING HERE THAT THERE'S A CHUNK OF OVERTIME SPENDING THAT

GOES TOWARDS TRAINING. CAN YOU JUST UNPACK ARE ALL TRAININGS CONDUCTED USING OVERTIME OR IS THERE A PORTION THAT IS WHERE TRAININGS ARE USED THROUGH REGULAR STAFF TIME? -- CHIEF. -- IT ALL DEPENDS ON

THE OFFICER'S SCHEDULE. WITH SOME OF THE TRAININGS THAT WE HAVE, THEY DO RUN OVER. SO TAKE FOR INSTANCE OUR FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM. CURRENTLY WE HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A BACKLOG IN OUR POST. BAILEY. SO WE

HAVE OFFICERS THAT ARE, ARE TRAINERS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET THE STUDENT OFFICERS THROUGH THE POST SO THEY CAN GO TO THE FTO PROGRAM. SO TYPICALLY THEY WOULD WORK ON MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, TEN HOUR

SCHEDULE TO TRAIN AND POST BALELA. BUT WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN THE POST PROGRAM, WHICH I THINK IS 61 RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET THOSE OFFICERS READY FOR FIELD TRAINING OFFICERS, IT IS

INCURRING OVERTIME ON LIKE A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY. SO THOSE OFFICERS THAT ARE TRAINERS ARE COMING IN ON THEIR OFF DAYS TO TRAIN. SO THAT'S CREATING SOME OF THE OVERTIME -- COUNCILMEMBER RINCK. -- THANK

YOU. CHAIR STRAUSS. THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. I'M GOING TO KEEP US MOVING AND ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE IN THE AFTERMATH OF A RECENT INCIDENT, PARTICULARLY USE OF LETHAL FORCE IN A CASE WHERE A

WOMAN WAS SHOT BY AN SPD OFFICER IN BEACON HILL. THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE THAT WAS RELEASED BY THE DEPARTMENT, THERE WAS AN EXACT QUOTE FROM THE OFFICER WHO WAS OUTSIDE THE DOOR OF THE INCIDENT, ASKING,

DO WE HAVE LESS LETHAL OR TASER? THE OFF SCREEN OFFICER ANSWERED, YES, AND YET LETHAL FORCE WAS USED. THERE'S A $4 MILLION INCREASE IN THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS BUCKET OF THE SPD BUDGET, AND IT'S MY

UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS THE BUDGET THAT WOULD PROVIDE CROWD CONTROL, SPECIAL EVENT AND CRISIS SUPPORT FOR SPD. SO COULD THE TABLE, WHOEVER IS MOST APPROPRIATE AT THE TABLE, PLEASE TELL ME WHETHER

OR NOT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT LESS LETHAL EQUIPMENT FOR ALL CALL RESPONDERS, PATROL AND SWAT. -- CHIEF. -- I DID CHECK THIS WEEK, WORKED WITH DEPUTY CHIEF YVONNE UNDERWOOD IN REGARDS TO THIS, AND WE DO

HAVE SUFFICIENT EQUIPMENT FOR OUR OFFICERS. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MORE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THIS CASE BEING WITH THE KING COUNTY, I'M LIMITED TO WHAT I CAN GO INTO ANY FURTHER DETAILS IN REGARDS TO

THAT CASE. -- THANK YOU. -- COUNCILMEMBER RINCK THANK YOU. UNDERSTANDING LIMITED ABILITY TO SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE AT THIS TIME. JUST A FOLLOW UP FOR THE PURPOSE OF CLARIFICATION AND HAPPY TO

CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION OFFLINE. IF THIS INFORMATION ISN'T AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. BUT I DO WANT TO GET THIS QUESTION ON THE RECORD. IS SPD ABLE TO SEND AND DEPLOY OFFICERS AND ENSURE THAT EACH ONE

OF THEM IS EQUIPPED WITH A TASER AND TO ENSURE ADEQUATE, LESS LETHAL RESPONSE. -- JUST TO GET AN ACCURATE RESPONSE FOR YOU, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK OUR TRAINERS AND THEN WE CAN DO AN AUDIT TO ASSURE THAT

THE NUMBERS AND THE RESPONSE I'M GIVING YOU IS ACCURATE. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE MISINFORMATION. -- THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT FOLLOW UP THIS COUNCIL HAS HAD ROBUST DISCUSSION ON CROWD MANAGEMENT

TRAINING, AND I'M SEEKING SOME CLARIFICATION ON ONE POINT BECAUSE IN 2027, CROWD MANAGEMENT TRAININGS WILL CONSIST OF POLICY REVIEWS, SQUAD FORMATIONS AND BATON USAGE. ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES AT

ALL FOR LIVE TRAININGS, ROLE PLAY, AND TO ENSURE THAT SWORN STAFF ARE UTILIZING ALL CMEK POLICIES? -- YES, ACTUALLY, LEADING UP TO FIFA THIS YEAR, WE DID DO SOME LIVE TRAINING, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY

THAT WASN'T PUT IN THERE. OUR OFFICERS DID DO SOME TRAINING DOWN AT LUMEN FIELD IN REGARDS TO CROWD CONTROL AND CROWD MANAGEMENT. -- THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT RESPONSE. AND BUILDING ON

THAT POINT, WHAT IS SP DOING TO PARDON ME? WHAT IS SPD DOING TO ENSURE THAT SWORN OFFICERS THROUGH THESE TRAININGS ARE COMPREHENDING AND UTILIZING LESS LETHAL OPTIONS WHEN ENCOUNTERED WITH SITUATIONS

WHERE THEY ARE ENCOUNTERING INDIVIDUALS WITH NON-FIREARM MATERIALS. -- SCENARIO BASED TRAINING? YES. AND OUR OUR INSTRUCTORS ARE PUTTING PEOPLE THROUGH LIVE SITUATIONS. I KNOW WE DO A GOOD JOB OF

LOOKING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY TO SEE SOME SCENARIOS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND DIFFERENT REGIONS, AND WE PROVIDE SCENARIO BASED TRAINING ON A PASS FAIL. AND IF THE OFFICERS ARE NOT

SUCCESSFUL, THEY'RE PUT THROUGH A REMEDIAL IN REGARDS TO THAT TRAINING. AND WE'RE ASSURING THAT THEY'RE USING THE APPROPRIATE EQUIPMENT THAT WE GIVE TO THEM AND THEIR APPROPRIATE DE-ESCALATION TACTICS

-- THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO CHANGE TOPICS TO TAKE US TO OVERTIME. SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE OVERTIME SLIDE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS SLIDE SIX, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I'M SEEING WE HAVE A PROPOSED OVERTIME

BUDGET OF $62 MILLION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, BASED ON PREVIOUS PRESENTATION FOR THAT, OUR CENTRAL STAFF GAVE IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE THIS YEAR. THAT WAS ON JUNE 23rd. THAT SPD, OVER TIME HAS

INCREASED OVER 29 MILLION SINCE 2022, WHICH IS A 112% INCREASE. NOW, TAKING A LOOK AT THIS YEAR'S NUMBERS, AM I CORRECT IN MY ASSESSMENT THAT THIS MEANS THAT SINCE 2022, WE ARE LOOKING AT, IN THIS

PROPOSED BUDGET, A 138% INCREASE IN SPD'S OVERTIME BUDGET -- I DON'T HAVE THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION AT MY FINGERTIPS. I'D BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I WILL. I DO THINK THAT.

SLIDE FIVE TELLS SOME OF THAT STORY, WHICH IS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. WELL, I THINK I RECOMMEND LOOKING AT IT FROM BOTH THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING SPENT AND WHAT THOSE DOLLARS

PURCHASE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT ARE FUNDED, AT LEAST IN THE IN THE TIME FRAME THAT'S LOOKED AT IN THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT 2026 TO 2027. THERE'S IT COSTS A GREAT DEAL MORE TO FUND

THE SAME NUMBER OF HOURS. SO THE BUDGET WENT UP. BUT THE FUNDED HOURS STAYED THE SAME. AND THAT'S BECAUSE LABOR COSTS HAVE INCREASED THE COST PER HOUR OF OVERTIME HAS INCREASED EVEN AS THE SAME NUMBER

OF HOURS ARE FUNDED. -- THANK YOU FOR IMPACTING THAT. DIRECTOR PETER. I HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL QUICK QUESTIONS AND HOPING THAT THESE HAVE SHORT ANSWERS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. COULD WE GET A BREAKDOWN OF

THE TECHNICAL SERVICES PORTION OF SPD'S BUDGET? I'M NOTING THAT THIS 34 MILLION OF TECHNICAL SUPPORT INCLUDES DATA DRIVEN POLICING AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAMS. I'M CURIOUS HOW MUCH OF THIS IS GOING

TOWARDS THE TCC AND CCTV PROGRAMS. I'D LIKE THE NUMBER OF HOW MUCH THIS PROGRAM IS CURRENTLY COSTING THE CITY ON A YEARLY BASIS. -- DIRECTOR CHIEF MINISTER, I'D. -- BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT

INFORMATION. -- THANK YOU. -- THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND MY LAST QUESTION FOR TODAY. AND THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME. I'M SEEING THE REDUCTION OF 2.4 MILLION IN RECRUITMENT, MARKETING AND PAUSING HIRING

INCENTIVES. JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THE RECORD, HOW MUCH MONEY IN RECRUITMENT AND MARKETING IS IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET FOR SPD AFTER THIS PROPOSED REDUCTION. -- UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T SEE THE BOTTOM OF THIS

SLIDE. THERE IS $2.893 MILLION FOR RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION IN THE 27 PROPOSED BUDGET, AND $1.786 MILLION IN 2028. PROPOSED. -- THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSES, AND

I LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE FOLLOW UPS. THANK YOU. -- THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER RINCK. WE HAVE COUNCILMEMBER LIN. AND THEN I SAW ANOTHER HAND, BUT NO LONGER. COUNCILMEMBER LIN. -- THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK

YOU TO OUR PRESENTERS AND COLLEAGUES. SORT OF A EASIER QUICK QUESTION. THE THE FIRING RANGE OR THE GUN RANGE, WHICH IS TUKWILA ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET THAT COULD HELP ADDRESS NOISE MITIGATION CONCERNS.

WE HEAR A LOT FROM FOLKS IN RAINIER BEACH WHO, DUE TO THE ONGOING, YOU KNOW, GUN VIOLENCE DOWN THERE, HEAR THE FIRING RANGE, CAN'T IT CAN BE TRAUMATIC. SO JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN HERE

THAT COULD HELP TO ADDRESS THOSE NOISE CONCERNS. -- CHIEF COMMITTEE TABLE. -- LOOKING THROUGH THE BUDGET, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE CURRENTLY FOR THE SUPPRESSION OF THOSE SOUNDS

AFFECTING THE SOUTH PRECINCT AREA, PARTICULARLY RAINIER BEACH. -- YEAH, OKAY. -- I CAN BACK THAT UP. THAT'S CORRECT. -- OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. CERTAINLY IS A PRIORITY FOR FOR MY DISTRICT TO TO BE

ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT. SO LOOK FORWARD TO FOLLOWING UP ON IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN GET THAT IN THERE. I GUESS THINKING ABOUT HIRING. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TARGETS AND GOALS IN TERMS OF OUR NUMBERS,

BUT JUST FROM A BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE, AS WE THINK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY MORE GENERALLY, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MINIMUM AND AN IDEAL STAFFING LEVEL. I GUESS MY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, HOW DO

WE COMPARE TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN OUR SPENDING, WHETHER IT'S ITS POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY OR PUBLIC SAFETY MORE GENERALLY, AND BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, HEAR COMPARISONS TO EXAMPLE, TO BOSTON

THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SPEND A LOT MORE PER OFFICER. AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT SURE IF THAT'S TRUE OR IF THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS, BUT THEN THERE'S JUST

SORT OF THE BUDGET. CAN CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT GENERALLY? OR WE CAN DO THIS OFFLINE LATER. -- DIRECTOR CHIEF., -- TO MAKE THE COMPARISON IN REGARDS TO BOSTON, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT

OF TIME TO LOOK AT THAT. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THE REGION, COST OF LIVING AND SO FORTH. BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS PUTTING EYES ON WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE REGIONALLY

AND TRYING TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND REMOVING THE INCENTIVES SPECIFICALLY FOR LATERAL OFFICERS HAS A POTENTIAL TO PUT US BEHIND. AND WE'RE COMPETING FROM A VERY SMALL POOL OF CANDIDATES

IN THIS AREA. SO WE HAVE TO BE AS COMPETITIVE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO LOOKING AT WAYS HOW WE CAN CONTINUE THAT, SPECIFICALLY FOR LATERAL HIRES. -- YEAH. THANK YOU. AND I

CERTAINLY BE INTERESTED IF OBVIOUSLY SALARIES AND HIRING BONUSES AND SO ON ARE ONE WAY TO BE COMPETITIVE. CERTAINLY WOULD BE CURIOUS IF THERE'S OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN ALSO EXPLORE TO BE COMPETITIVE AS

A REGION. KIND OF FINAL QUESTION. YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT SORT OF OUTCOMES BASED SORT OF BUDGETING. AND I'M JUST WONDERING FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DO THINK WE NEED

MORE OFFICERS, BUT MY BIGGER CONCERN IS THE OUTCOMES. YOU KNOW, WE ESPECIALLY REPRESENTING DISTRICT TWO SOUTH SEATTLE, WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THE MOST INTENSE ISSUES IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WHETHER

IT'S GUN VIOLENCE IN MANY AREAS OF THE DISTRICT, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE OPEN AIR DRUG MARKETS AND OTHER SORT OF PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES. AND LITTLE SAIGON, NORTH BEACON HILL, NORTH RAINIER. FOR ME,

I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO PUBLIC SAFETY, THINKING ABOUT COLLABORATION BETWEEN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, THE CARE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, STANDING UP OUR OUR SHELTER AND

COLLABORATING WITH KING COUNTY JAIL AND, YOU KNOW, THE COURTS. BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET FOR SPD, BUT ALSO JUST WONDERING FROM AN OUTCOMES BASED PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE SORT

OF A STRATEGY, A TARGETED WAY THAT WE CAN GET BETTER OUTCOMES WITH OUR SPENDING? -- I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS OVER THE LAST 8 TO 9 WEEKS IS BEING COLLABORATIVE WITH OUR INTERNAL PARTNERS HERE

AT THE CITY OF SEATTLE. EVERYONE COMING TO THE TABLE TALKING ABOUT THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, UNDERSTANDING THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT JUST ONLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT WORKING WITH OUR CARE,

WORKING WITH OTHER PARTNERS THAT WE HAVE, WORKING WITH THE KING COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, POOLING OUR RESOURCES TOGETHER, COMING TOGETHER, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHOSE NAME IS IN THE

HEADLINE, AS LONG AS WE'RE GETTING THE JOB DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF SEATTLE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THAT SECURITY AND SAFETY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SEATTLE AND OUR TOURISTS THAT

COME IN AND VISIT ON A DAILY BASIS. -- THANK YOU DIRECTOR. -- THANK YOU. CHAIR STRAUSS COUNCILMEMBER LIN. I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT THAT THAT IS THE WORK THAT WE ARE HOPING TO UNDERTAKE. IF WE CAN

GET OUT OF THIS KIND OF TRIAGE, BUDGETING APPROACH AND FOCUS MORE ON OUTCOMES AND REALLY JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT PART OF LOOKING AT THE OUTCOMES, WE REALLY ARE LOOKING AT A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH

TO PUBLIC SAFETY. AND SO THAT INCLUDES, OF COURSE, IMPORTANT INVESTMENTS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES. AND, YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON THAT FOR THE PEOPLE AND PLACES EXPERIENCING THE GREATEST THREATS OF

VIOLENCE, AS WELL AS INVESTING IN THE UPSTREAM SERVICES AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS. SO WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK, LOOK AT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. AND I THINK PART OF THE OUTCOME IS IDEALLY, WE CAN PREVENT THE

CRISES BEFORE THEY OCCUR. AND SO IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKING AT THAT COMPREHENSIVE SYSTEM. AND THAT IS THE THE PART OF THE GOAL OF THE EFFECTIVE GOVERNMENT IS EXECUTIVE ORDER ISSUED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO

TO TRY TO PIVOT TOWARDS MOVING TOWARDS THAT THAT TYPE OF APPROACH IN FUTURE BUDGET PROCESSES. -- THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO TO SUPPORT SORT OF

THE WORK OF SPD AND THE OFFICERS AND SUPPORTING THAT COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE STRETCHED THIN AND HAVE A VERY HARD JOB. AND IF WE CAN WORK COLLABORATIVELY,

COLLABORATIVELY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THAT HEAVY LIFT THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE DOING. CERTAINLY WANT TO SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU. -- THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER LIN COMMITTEE TABLE. ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? WE'LL GO ON TO COUNCILMEMBER, COUNCIL. PRESIDENT EMERITUS. JUAREZ AND COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER AND COLLEAGUES, THANK YOU FOR USING MY NONVERBAL

CUES AS A AS A MEANS OF FACILITATION. OVER TO YOU. -- THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. I'M GOING TO MAKE JUST A FEW COMMENTS AND HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET INTO THE RECORD. AND

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING. IT'S GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU AGAIN I BELIEVE THAT WHAT THE CHALLENGES THAT THE CITY IS HAVING WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT THIS BUDGET DOESN'T PROPERLY ADDRESS THE

CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS TO KEEP OUR CITIZENS SAFE. ON JUNE 9th, 2026, CHIEF BARNES STATED THAT THE CITY WAS ON TRACK TO HAVE 1250 OFFICERS BY THE END OF 2026, WITH AN OFFICER GOAL OF 1400 BY 2029,

WHICH IS WHERE THE CITY WAS POST COVID. BEFORE COVID, PRE COVID AGAIN, BECAUSE I WAS THERE. SO WHY? QUESTION ONE WHY IS 1250 THE NUMBER CHOSEN TO CAP OFFICERS AT FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS? WHY? -- 1250

DIRECTOR. -- THE BUDGET FUNDS THE NUMBER AND THE STAFFING PLAN THAT WAS SET OUT LAST YEAR, BUT WASN'T FULLY FUNDED. RIGHT NOW WE ARE TRYING TO PUT THE BUDGET ON A MORE SUSTAINABLE PATH. SO IT ISN'T TO

SAY THAT IF THERE ARE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE A DECISION THAT IS REVISITED. BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE TRYING TO FOCUS ON AND BE REAL. LIKE BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT THIS BUDGET CAN

SUPPORT. -- OKAY. THANK YOU. A FEW STATISTICS THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT. FOR THE RECORD, FROM 2020 TO 2026, WE HAD A 10% POPULATION GROWTH FROM 737 TO 816,000, ALMOST SIX 18,000 816,600 PEOPLE. YET

FROM 20 TO 26, WE'VE HAD A 20% OFFICER DECREASE 1424 TO 1120. SO I'M I'M SHARING THESE FACTS BECAUSE I WANT THE PUBLIC TO SEE THAT THIS ISN'T AT LEAST I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU

CAN ARREST YOUR ARREST, ARREST YOUR WAY OUT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING. BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED MORE OFFICERS. SO LET ME LEAVE YOU WITH SOME FACTS AND JUST SOME ADDITIONS. THESE ARE APPROXIMATIONS THAT

WE PULLED UP. AND I WON'T GO INTO ALL THE DETAIL ON THE NORTH PRECINCT. SINCE THE CAMERAS WERE TURNED OFF IN MARCH 2026. CITYWIDE, WE'VE HAD 302 SHOTS FIRED AND 12 FATAL INJURIES, AND 61 NONFATAL

INJURIES IN THE NORTH PRECINCT. SHOTS FIRED, SHOTS FIRED, 5722 FATALITIES AND 12 NONFATAL. IN THE SOUTH PRECINCT, WE'VE HAD 67 SHOOTINGS, AND WE'VE HAD FOUR FATALITIES AND 11 NONFATAL IN THE WEST

PRECINCT. WE'VE HAD 46 SHOTS FIRED IN THE NONFATAL FIVE, OUR FIVE FATAL AND NONFATAL 13. SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT A POLITICAL IDEOLOGY OF DEFUND OR INCREASE. THIS IS ABOUT ON EARTH ONE IN THE REAL WORLD

THAT WE ARE SEEING MORE CRIME BECAUSE WE HAVE LESS OFFICERS TO GO OUT AND KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 1250 AND BEING REALISTIC, BUT I THINK THAT WHEN

WE'RE REALISTIC AND WE LOOK HOW OUR CITY IS GROWING, THAT WE HAVE TO IF WE LOOK AT IF THE CITY IS ONLY GROWS BY 1%, APPROXIMATELY 8000 PEOPLE, THEN TO KEEP A SIMILAR RATIO, WE WOULD NEED AT LEAST 12

ADDITIONAL OFFICERS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. SO I THINK THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, THE PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION. I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN

THE NEXT TWO YEARS IS JUST SMOKE AND MIRRORS. I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING TO THE ISSUE. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU NEED MORE OFFICERS TO JUST ARREST MORE PEOPLE. THOSE OF US THAT HAVE

BEEN AROUND AND READ THE CONSENT DECREE AND HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS WITH BOG AND UNDERSTAND THE DEATHS THAT HAVE OCCURRED. AND AGAIN, I WILL SHARE THIS, AND I'M SURE

THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS LISTENING. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS POLITICAL. I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT FACTUAL. PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE FOLKS. AND I'M NOW SPEAKING FOR THE DISTRICT UP IN D FIVE ON AURORA. AND

WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING. AND THIS ISN'T JUST. AND WHAT I'VE JUST SHARED WITH YOU IS JUST THE SHOTS FIRED AND FATALITIES AND NON-FATAL. I HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED SPOKEN ABOUT THE FELONIES AND THE CRIMES

REGARDING SEX TRAFFICKING, ET CETERA., OR ASSAULTS. I HAVEN'T EVEN BROUGHT THOSE NUMBERS UP. SO I JUST I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD WITH THAT, AND I WANT SPD TO KNOW THAT WE SUPPORT YOU AND THE WORK

THAT YOU'RE DOING. I WANT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO KNOW THAT WE WANT TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THEM TO BE AND NOT MAKE THIS POLITICAL AND TALK ABOUT THE CRIME THAT WE'RE SEEING AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS

IT. AND YES, WE ALL INVESTED AND WILL CONTINUE TO INVEST AND SUPPORT ALL UPSTREAM PROGRAMS. IS DIVERSION. ABSOLUTELY. BUT AGAIN, I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING, BECAUSE I WATCHED THIS MAYOR DURING

DEFUND COME HERE AND HERE AND SCREAM, DEFUND THE POLICE, ABOLISH THE POLICE. SO I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT SOMEHOW SOME OF THIS ON THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IS NOT POLITICAL. AND I THINK THAT'S

OFFENSIVE. AND IT'S NOT FAIR AND IT AIN'T RIGHT. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. -- THANK YOU. COUNCIL PRESIDENT EMERITUS. JUAREZ COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. -- THANK YOU SO MUCH,

CHAIR. AND WE'LL JUST ALWAYS START OFF WITH MY APPRECIATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF SALES AND DIRECTOR PANUCCI. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BOTH AND BOTH OF YOU BEING HERE. I WANTED TO TURN TO ONE OF

THE OVERTIME SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE AND START THERE FIRST. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT ONE THING I HEARD YOU SAY, MR. ETTER, WAS THAT WE HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OUR

OVERTIME COSTS ARE REIMBURSED. AND I WONDER IF YOU COULD SHED A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT ON THAT IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH OF OUR OVERTIME IS REIMBURSED, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE COVERING OTHER LARGE EVENTS IN

THE CITY? -- SURE. I, I WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH A PRECISE SORT OF BOTTOM LINE PERCENT OF HOW MUCH OF OUR OVERTIME IS REIMBURSED THROUGH CONTRACTS, PERMITS, AND SPECIAL EVENT ARRANGEMENTS. WE HAVE

DIFFERENT I KNOW WE HAVE A RANGE OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF REIMBURSEMENT LEVELS ALL THE WAY FROM NOTHING FOR CERTAIN FREE SPEECH EVENTS AND, AND SOME PARADES ALL THE WAY UP TO FULL REIMBURSEMENT FOR SOME

MAJOR SPORTING EVENTS WHERE WE HAVE CONTRACTS TO REIMBURSE US FOR OUR FULL COSTS. THERE ARE MANY IN THE MIDDLE WHERE WE HAVE SOME. THE SMC TELLS US THAT WE CAN SEEK REIMBURSEMENT AT SPECIFIC LEVELS

FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF EVENTS AT A, YOU KNOW, IN THE HALF TO THREE QUARTERS RANGE OF OUR FULL COSTS. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER TYPES STILL THAT ARE TO BE NEGOTIATED YEAR BY YEAR WITH WITH THE EVENT

COORDINATOR, EVENT ORGANIZERS. SO THE BOTTOM LINE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE CAN FOLLOW UP AND GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. -- THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'D APPRECIATE THAT FOLLOW UP. I THINK I JUST WANT TO MAKE

SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE TRACKING THAT AND THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE APPROACH THERE, GIVEN, YOU KNOW, GIVEN INCREASED COSTS AND THE IMPORTANT ROLE THAT OUR OFFICERS PLAY COVERING THOSE EVENTS OUTSIDE

OF THEIR REGULAR DUTIES. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I BELIEVE THE SLIDE I WAS LOOKING AT WAS SLIDE SIX. BUT NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. AND THEN I WANT TO TURN TO SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE IN THE

BUDGET. AND I KNOW ONE OF THE POSITIONS THAT IS SET TO BE REMOVED IS WHICH IS CURRENTLY VACANT. AND THIS IS ON SLIDE TEN, IS THE 30 BY 30 WORK GROUP SUPPORT. AND THE DEI OFFICER POSITION. AND I WILL

SAY, I REALLY APPRECIATE OVERALL, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WAS DOING WAS TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF FILLED POSITIONS THAT YOU WERE REMOVING IN THE BUDGET TO MINIMIZE THE

IMPACT ON, ON LABOR AND PEOPLE AND FAMILIES. AND I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THAT. MY QUESTION IS MORE ABOUT WHAT STRATEGIES WILL THE DEPARTMENT BE UNDERTAKING TO ENSURE THAT THIS IMPORTANT WORK ON

REACHING OUR 30 BY 30 GOALS AND ENSURING THAT OUR WORKFORCE REALLY REFLECTS OUR CITY. HOW WILL YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE PROGRESS THERE AND THAT WE HIT THIS GOAL? WITHOUT THESE POSITIONS?

-- I KNOW PROBABLY SINCE LAST DECEMBER OR SO, I'VE BEEN PROBABLY QUARTERLY MEETING WITH CAPTAIN HEIDI TUTTLE AND CAPTAIN KRISTA BEYER IN REGARDS TO THESE EFFORTS. IRONICALLY, YESTERDAY SOMETHING CAME

ACROSS MY EMAIL FROM CALIBER PRESS IN REGARDS TO PLACING WOMEN IN COMMAND POSITIONS AND UPPING THAT TRAINING. I SENT THAT TO BOTH. WE HAD A BRIEF EMAIL EXCHANGE IN REGARDS TO THAT, AND I KNOW NEXT

WEEK WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK ON IDENTIFYING PERSONNEL WITHIN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE WANT TO SEND TO THOSE SPECIFIC TRAININGS, AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT WAYS TO POTENTIALLY SEND OUR RECRUITMENT TEAM

OVER TO HISTORICALLY, ONLY WOMEN SCHOOLS TO DO THAT. RECRUITMENT EFFORTS. I DO HAVE A FRIEND THAT IS THE WOMEN'S BASKETBALL COACH FOR SACRAMENTO STATE, AND I'VE BEEN TEXTING HIM IN REGARDS TO SOME OF

HIS PLAYERS ON HIS TEAM AND SAYING IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THE TEAM ATMOSPHERE, BEING AN EX COLLEGE BASKETBALL PLAYER MYSELF, TRYING TO DO SOME LITTLE FREE RECRUITING ON THAT END. BUT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK

AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THINGS. I THINK YOU NEVER WANT TO DO MORE WITH LESS. YOU WANT TO DO DIFFERENT WITH LESS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS OF OUR OWN HERE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO

CONTINUE THAT EFFORT AND PUSH THAT EFFORT FORWARD. -- THANK YOU, CHIEF, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK THIS IS AN AREA WHERE I'LL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW UP, BECAUSE TO ME, WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE PROGRESS

TOWARD THE GOAL. IT MAY BE THAT THE STRATEGY HAS CHANGED FROM HAVING ONE POSITION TO HAVING A SET OF STRATEGIES INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT, SOME OF WHICH YOU JUST MENTIONED. BUT WHAT I KNOW WE WANT TO LOOK

FOR IS SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS TOWARDS THAT GOAL AND KEEPING US ON TRACK. AND SO IT MAY LOOK DIFFERENT WITHOUT THESE POSITIONS, BUT I AM LOOKING FOR SOME CONCRETE, CLEAR STRATEGIES AND FORWARD NEXT STEPS

BECAUSE I KNOW WE SHARE, AND I KNOW THAT YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS. I KNOW WE SHARE THIS GOAL FOR OUR FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. CHAIR. I'VE JUST GOT ONE MORE, MAYBE TWO.

WE'LL SEE IF. SO IF WE CAN GO TO SLIDE 12 HERE, I JUST I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND I, I WILL JUST. SECOND, COUNCILMEMBER LIN'S INTEREST AND SORT OF UNDERSTANDING OUR OVERALL BUDGET INVESTMENTS.

I KNOW WE'VE HEARD OTHER COMPARISON OF SEATTLE TO BOSTON OR SEATTLE TO OTHER CITIES. SO I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER LIN I SECOND THOSE ONE. ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW,

OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T HERE LAST FALL. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE'RE JUST GETTING CLARITY ON, ON, ON THE RECORD HERE IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL BUDGET AND JUST REFLECTING ON THE

PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE REDUCTIONS. SO I KNOW WHILE THERE ARE POSITIONS THAT ARE REMOVED OR VACANT POSITIONS THAT ARE MOVED IN, I THINK FOR FILLED POSITIONS THAT

ARE REMOVED, AND I CAN YOU JUST WALK ME THROUGH THE OVERALL CHANGE IN SPD'S BUDGET AS A PERCENTAGE FROM THE ADOPTED BUDGET LAST YEAR TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET THIS YEAR? -- SURE. I THINK THIS THIS SLIDE,

THE FIRST SLIDE GIVES YOU THAT KIND OF OVERVIEW I DON'T HAVE THE PERCENTS SHOWN HERE, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR FUNDING FROM 2026

ADOPTED TO 2027 PROPOSED, WE'VE INCREASED ABOUT $66 MILLION. THE. THE BIG. AS I SAID IN MY OPENING REMARKS, THE BIGGEST CHANGE IS THE CHANGE FROM THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS. THAT'S ABOUT $58

MILLION. THERE ARE OTHER CHANGES AS WELL, INCLUDING THE $12.5 MILLION FOR FUNDING ADDITIONAL OFFICERS AND SOME SMALLER MOVES THAT THAT HAVE INS AND OUTS -- THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. -- THANK YOU. I'LL JUST

PUT THE PERCENT ON IT. IT'S A OVERALL SPD BUDGET COMPARED TO THE 2026 ADOPTED IS INCREASING BY 13.8%. IT'S A 68 MILLION NET INCREASE WHEN YOU INCLUDE ALL FUNDS AND CONTINUES TO BE THE LARGEST AREA OF

INVESTMENT FROM THE GENERAL FUND. -- THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL. AND I THINK AND I APPRECIATE YOU, DIRECTOR, FOR FOR POINTING ME TO THE DIFFERENT SLIDE. I THINK FOR ME, I WAS LOOKING AT SLIDE

12 BECAUSE I KNOW OBVIOUSLY LAST YEAR WHEN THIS COUNCIL ADOPTED THE BUDGET, THE NEW CONTRACTS HAD NOT BEEN COMPLETED. THEIR NEGOTIATION HAD NOT BEEN COMPLETED AT THAT POINT IN TIME. THEY WERE

NEGOTIATED AND THEN ADOPTED LATER. SO THE THE THOSE THEN NECESSITATED ADDITIONAL CHANGES IN THE SPD BUDGET. AS PART OF MY UNDERSTANDING, AND THAT THIS BUDGET FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE REFLECTS THOSE

CHANGES. DID WE MODEL JUST WHAT THE COST WOULD BE? I KNOW OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS WERE TALKING ABOUT SORT OF DIFFERENT GOAL NUMBERS. DID WE MODEL WHAT THAT WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO TO MAINTAIN THAT GOAL?

-- DIRECTOR -- THANK YOU. I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT MODELING I CAN OFFER AN EXAMPLE. SO TO IT WOULD COST ABOUT $14 MILLION IN 2028 AND $26 MILLION IN 2029 AND BEYOND TO FUND

1352 FULL TIME OFFICERS. SO THAT IS ONE EXAMPLE. THERE CAN BE OTHER MODELS RUN. AND AS. DAN MENTIONED EARLIER, GREG, WHO HELPED DEVELOP THE STAFFING MODEL I'M SURE WILL BE RUNNING LOTS OF MODELS FOR

YOU. ALL. -- I THANK HIM IN ADVANCE. OH PLEASE. -- I'M SORRY TO SPEAK OVER YOU. AYE. IT COSTS ABOUT $200,000. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT TO TO FUND AN AVERAGE FILLED FTE OVER THE COURSE OF THE

YEAR. SO, YOU KNOW, ADDING TEN AVERAGE FILLED FTES OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR IS ON THE ORDER OF $2 MILLION. -- THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN I'LL JUST ASK YOU ON THIS LINE OF

QUESTIONING HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT COST. BUT WHAT AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DRIVE TOWARDS IS A CITY THAT WORKS FOR ALL OF US, A

CITY THAT IS SAFE FOR ALL OF US. AND SO IF YOU COULD ALSO JUST SPEAK TO HOW YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT METRICS TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF HIRING. SO I KNOW ONE THING I HEAR A LOT ABOUT AND I CARE

A LOT ABOUT IS RESPONSE TIMES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S GETTING TO THE SEVEN MINUTES OR OTHER METRICS. SO CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO, AS YOU PROPOSE THE BUDGET WITH THIS INCREASE IN OFFICERS, HOW YOU'LL BE

TRACKING THE IMPACT OF THESE, THESE REALLY IMPORTANT INVESTMENTS? -- YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT, AT LEAST TO GET STARTED AT THE TABLE HERE. AS I MENTIONED, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE STAFFING PLAN,

WE DO SORT OF UPDATE THE PLAN MONTHLY WITH ACTUAL INFORMATION TO REPLACE OUR PROJECTIONS, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, MORE THAN TWO YEARS IN ADVANCE. SO WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION EVERY

MONTH ABOUT HOW MANY NEW HIRES WE HAVE, HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN FOR OFFICERS TO GET FROM THE ACADEMY THROUGH TRAINING, TO BECOME FULLY TRAINED, DEPLOYABLE OFFICERS, AND THAT LAST STATISTIC IS THE MOST

IMPORTANT. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT ON THE STREET AND DOING POLICE WORK, WHETHER THEY'RE ON PATROL OR OTHERWISE, IS WHAT DRIVES EVERYTHING ELSE. WHAT WE

CAN'T CONTROL, HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE ON LONG TERM DISABILITY AND ILLNESS. THAT'S JUST A INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVE. WE CAN'T CONTROL HOW MANY OFFICERS ULTIMATELY LEAVE THE FORCE EITHER BECAUSE FOR

ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. SO WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IS THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS WHO ARE ABLE TO BE DEPLOYED AS FULLY TRAINED OFFICERS. THAT NUMBER IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER ON A PROJECTED BASIS AT THE END OF 2026,

COMPARED TO WHERE WE WERE IN 2018. BUT IT'S A LAGGING INDICATOR. IT TAKES MORE THAN A YEAR TO TRAIN A NEW RECRUIT AND GET THEM INTO THE POSITION OF BEING A FULLY TRAINED, DEPLOYABLE OFFICER. SO OUR

PROJECTION IS THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE FULLY TRAINED, DEPLOYABLE OFFICERS IN 2027 THAN WE HAD IN 26, AND STILL MORE IN 28 THAN WE HAD, THAN WE WERE PROJECTING TO HAVE IN 27. SO THAT THAT LINE IS

INCREASING, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. -- THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT I'M ASKING, AND THAT WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL. IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ASK, WHICH IS AS WE

CONTINUE TO STAFF UP AND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A LAGGING INDICATOR, HOW ARE WE TRACKING OUR OUR DELIVERY HERE IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE HAVING ON PUBLIC SAFETY? SO TRACKING, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE

GET TO THE OUR NEXT GOAL OF OFFICERS, WHAT IMPACT THAT'S HAVING ON OUR RESPONSE TIMES, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF OUTCOMES FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND SOME OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT MY

COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED TODAY. SO AND THAT WILL BE MY LAST QUESTION, CHAIR. -- THE WAYS THAT WE TRACK OUR RESPONSE TIMES AND SO FORTH, WE DO THAT DURING OUR C STAT MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE ONCE

A MONTH WITH OUR CAPTAINS OF EACH PRECINCT. WE LOOK AT THE RESPONSE TIMES FOR PRIORITY ONE, TWO AND THREE CALLS. AND I THINK AS WE GO FORTH, WE CAN START IMPLEMENTING THIS IS HOW MANY OFFICERS YOU HAD

AT THIS TIME, MONTH THREE. YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 3 OR 4 OFFICERS THAT HAVE GRADUATED FROM THE FTO PROGRAM. WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TIME LOOKING LIKE THAT? SO I THINK THAT'S A TOOL THAT WE CAN ADD INTO.

PROBABLY NOT C STAT, BUT OUR MANAGEMENT TEAM MEETING TO START TRACKING THAT TO SEE ONCE WE START PUTTING STUDENT OFFICERS IN SEATS, NOT WITH FTOS, HOW DOES THAT BRING DOWN OUR RESPONSE TIME? SO WE CAN

WE CAN ADD THAT. -- THANK YOU. THANK YOU. -- CHAIR THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER. COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER SAKA. -- THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS. I JUST WANT TO I HAVE A

FEW QUESTIONS, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS RELATED TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGET IN GENERAL. FIRST OFF, I JUST WANT TO SAY COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT IDEOLOGY. THIS IS ABOUT POLITICS AND RESPONDING TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A SAFE CITY FOR EVERYONE THAT LIVES IN THIS CITY, INCLUDING ALL OUR FAMILIES AND ALL

OUR KIDS. KIDS DESERVE TO LIVE IN A SAFE CITY FULL STOP. AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY FEAR THEIR SAFETY. I WILL SAY THIS IS POLICE FIRE AND 911 ARE CHARTERED

RESPONSIBILITIES. LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN. FIRE, POLICE AND 911 ARE CHARTERED RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CITY. THEY NEED TO BE TREATED LIKE THAT IN OUR BUDGET. BUT THIS ISN'T A BUDGET THAT PRIORITIZES OUR

CHARTER RESPONSIBILITIES. I WILL SAY BECOMING A FULLY STAFFED POLICE DEPARTMENT COMPARABLE TO OTHER CITIES OF OUR SIZE IN THE UNITED STATES SHOULD NOT BE CONTROVERSIAL. THIS SHOULD NOT BE

CONTROVERSIAL. TO HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS SO THAT OUR RESPONSE TIMES SHOULD BE WHAT BEST PRACTICES ARE, AND SO THAT OUR CONSTITUENTS ON THE GROUND, ON THE GROUND ARE FEELING. BECAUSE WE HEAR ANECDOTALLY,

THEY CALL AND POLICE DON'T SHOW UP FOR MANY HOURS LATER. AND I UNDERSTAND WHY, BECAUSE I'VE SAT AT THE 911 CALL CENTER TO SEE FOR MYSELF WHAT IS HAPPENING. AND AS CALLS ARE PRIORITIZED, SOME OF THOSE

LOWER PRIORITY. QUOTE UNQUOTE, LOWER PRIORITY CALLS, THEY DON'T FEEL LOWER PRIORITY TO THE PERSON WHO'S CALLED 911, BUT THOSE LOWER PRIORITY CALLS GO UNANSWERED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FULLY STAFFED

POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE AND WE CAN MAKE ALL THE THE, YOU KNOW, IDEOLOGICAL STATEMENTS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN SOMEONE CALLS 911, THEY WANT POLICE

OFFICER TO SHOW UP AND HELP THEM. AND WE CANNOT PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TODAY IN THE LEVEL THAT WE SHOULD. I WILL SAY ON SLIDE NUMBER SEVEN, I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OF THIS PIECE OF HIRING CONVERSATIONS,

AND COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ ALSO, YOU MADE SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT I WAS GOING TO MAKE IN 2019. WE HAD ABOUT 14 AND 24 SWORN OFFICERS, OF WHICH 1281 ABOUT WERE DEPLOYABLE, AND WE HAD ABOUT 753

THOUSAND PEOPLE. IN 2026. WE NOW HAVE ALMOST I BELIEVE IT'S CLOSE TO YOU, SAID COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ 816. AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE EVEN A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT. AND WE HAVE AT THIS POINT, ABOUT 1197

SWORN OFFICERS WITH ONLY 927 DEPLOYABLE OFFICERS. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT OFFICERS TO MEET THE NEEDS, EVEN THOUGH OUR CONSTITUENCY HAS INCREASED BY ABOUT 7000 PEOPLE. AND

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR RATIOS OF POLICE TO RESIDENTS. THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, I BELIEVE, IS 26.5 PER 10,000 RESIDENTS. BUT WE HAVE ABOUT 18 PER 10,000 RESIDENTS.

AND JUST QUICKLY LOOKING UP, WASHINGTON, D.C. HAS ABOUT 702,000 CONSTITUENTS OR RESIDENTS, AND THEIR STAFFING RATIO IS 54 PER 10,000. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT

OUR SEATTLE DEPARTMENT LOOKS LIKE, IT IS NOT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. AND I THINK COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ, I KEEP GOING TO YOU MOSTLY BECAUSE WE WERE BOTH HERE DURING COVID, WE BOTH UNDERSTAND WHEN THERE

WAS A WANT TO DECREASE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, PEOPLE ARGUE ABOUT DEFUND BECAUSE THEY SAY WE NEVER ACTUALLY DEFUND IT. WE DID DECREASE IT IN, IN, IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS. AND ALSO A LOT OF OFFICERS JUST LEFT

BECAUSE THEY FELT UNSUPPORTED. SO THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE. THOSE ARE FACTS, AS YOU LIKE TO SAY. COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ THEN ON SLIDE TEN, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STAFFING CHANGES. ONE THAT

JUST STRUCK OUT ME STRUCK, STRUCK, EXCUSE ME, STUCK OUT TO ME WERE THIS RECORD SUPPORT AND DECREASING THE ONE FTE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT HISTORICALLY THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS HAD DIFFICULTIES

GETTING OUT. THERE HAVE BEEN PUBLIC DISCLOSURE REQUESTS AND GETTING INFORMATION OUT AND WHETHER THEY HAVE THE STAFFING AVAILABLE. THERE'S JUST SO MANY PUBLIC DISCLOSURE REQUESTS. SO WE DON'T WANT TO

DO SOMETHING THAT THAT HAMPERS THE DEPARTMENT'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE PUBLIC DISCLOSURE REQUESTS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE, WHAT IMPACT IS THIS GOING TO HAVE ON THAT? BECAUSE. DAN EDER, I KNOW

THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THE DEPARTMENT HISTORICALLY. -- SURE. I'D BE HAPPY TO. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO JUMP IN RIGHT NOW? I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THE TWO, THE TWO POSITIONS THAT

WILL INVOLVE LAYOFFS, I DON'T THINK EITHER OF THEM ARE INVOLVED IN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS. ONE OF THEM IS A WEYERHAEUSER ONE POSITION. THE JOB DUTIES ARE TO SUPPORT THE PHYSICAL TRANSFER OF RECORDS

AND RELATED SUPPLIES FROM ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT, AND WE HAVE BEEN TRANSITIONING TO A DIGITIZED SYSTEM. AND SO THE NEED FOR THIS WORK HAS CHANGED AND DIMINISHED. THE OTHER RECORDS RELATED POSITION IS

AN ADMIN SPECIALIST. ONE, THE JOB DUTIES, THE PRIMARY JOB DUTIES ARE IN AUTO RECORDS AND THEY WORK WITH POLICE OFFICERS AND DATA TECHS FOR TOWED STOLEN CARS. THEY COORDINATE BETWEEN TOW COMPANIES AND

POLICE OFFICERS, AND THEY'RE FOR THAT POSITION. THERE ARE ABOUT 38 OTHER FOLKS WHO DO SIMILAR WORK. SO THAT THAT THAT WORK CAN BE ABSORBED BY THE EXISTING STAFF. -- WITHOUT IMPACT, YOU MEAN? THANK

YOU. MY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER. DOES THIS DECREASE ELIMINATE THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER? I CAN'T TELL FROM FROM THE BUDGET AND WHAT. AND THEN I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM INTERIM

CHIEF SALES ABOUT THE IMPACTS TO THIS REDUCTION TO THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER. IF IT'S NOT ELIMINATING IT. -- WHAT DO YOU WANT TO START, -- CHIEF SALES OR, OR AND IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME AN EYE

BECAUSE WE MISSED A STATEMENT OVER HERE FROM DIRECTOR PANUCCI A SECOND AGO, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU IN A MINUTE, THOUGH, CHIEF. -- I'LL JUST KICK US OFF. SO THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO HIRE SIX FTES THAT

WERE ORIGINALLY FUNDED IN THE 2026 PROPOSED BUDGET. SORRY, ADOPTED BUDGET. THEY ARE ALSO TO BE FUNDED IN THE 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET. THAT WOULD GIVE US A TOTAL OF 21 FTE IN THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER

AND FUND US AT A LEVEL OF ABOUT $3 MILLION. -- AND WHAT ABOUT 2028? AND THEN WHAT IMPACTS WILL THIS HAVE IN TERMS OF THE THE WORK AND THE ABILITY TO INVESTIGATE CRIME? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A

HUGE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER TO BEGIN WITH. -- FUNDING CONTINUES INTO 2028 AT THE SAME. TO FUND THE SAME NUMBER OF FTE 21 AS IN THE PROPOSED 2027 BUDGET. AND AS I MENTIONED IN MY

REMARKS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO 247. IF THE DECISION IS MADE TO DO THAT. -- DIRECTOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD HERE? NO, THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA FLOOR'S STILL YOURS. -- THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE POS. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD ISSUES BEING ABLE TO FILL THESE POSITIONS, BUT WHAT RECRUITMENT EFFORTS HAVE WE HAD FOR P E Os THERE ARE AN

IMPORTANT PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE KNOW WE'VE HAD ISSUES DEALING WITH EVEN RVS THAT ARE ENGAGED IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE. WE RELY ON PARKING ENFORCEMENT

OFFICERS FOR THAT. SO WHAT IMPACT WILL THIS HAVE AND WHAT RECRUITMENT EFFORTS FIRST, WHAT RECRUITMENT EFFORTS HAVE BEEN DONE? BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE NOT ABLE TO HIRE THEM. SO WE WE SHOULD

ABROGATE THEM. AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED MORE PEOS. SO WHAT HAVE THE RECRUITMENT EFFORTS HAVE BEEN THAT WE NOW HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO GIVE UP ON HIRING THEM? -- I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE

RECRUITMENT EFFORTS, BUT I KNOW SPEAKING WITH C O SMITH AND I OVER THE LAST WEEK, WE LOOKED AT SOME WAYS TO FIX THAT PROBLEM WITH THE PEOS. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO LOOK AT.

HISTORICALLY. IF WE HAD TEN VACANCIES, WE WOULD GIVE OUT TEN OFFERS TO PEOPLE AND THEN SAY FIVE OF THEM DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH BACKGROUND. SO THERE'S WAYS THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO INCREASE THAT IN

REGARDS TO GIVING OUT MORE CONDITIONAL OFFERS. AND IF WE LOSE PEOPLE IN THE BACKGROUND PROCESS, WE'RE NOT JUST STARTING BACK OVER AND TRYING TO RECRUIT MORE PEOPLE. SO THAT'S A WAY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT

DOING THAT. BUT I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE RECRUITMENT EFFORTS TO SEE IF WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE WANT TO DO AS A CITY. I THINK IT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT WITH LOSING THOSE

POSITIONS, BUT A LOT OF THOSE POSITIONS HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS, SO IT WAS SOMETHING WE LOOKED AT WAS LIKE, IF WE'RE NOT FILLING THOSE SPOTS, WE'RE JUST MAINTAINING THINGS AND HAVING THINGS IN OUR

BUDGET THAT APPEARS TO BE AN EASY FIX. -- THANK YOU. DIRECTOR. ANYTHING TO ADD THERE? COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. -- THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS. SO, INTERIM CHIEF SAYLES, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THERE

WILL BE AN IMPACT TO LOSING THE POSITIONS, AND YOU'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO ME ON WHAT THE RECRUITMENT EFFORTS HAVE BEEN, IF ANY. YES, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE NEED THIS

FUNCTION AT THE DEPARTMENT. THE DEI OFFICER AND 30 BY 30 POSITIONS THAT ARE BEING ABROGATED. OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT LOOKS LIKE THE PEOPLE THEY ARE SERVING. SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT

IMPACTS THIS WILL HAVE, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE THE POSITIONS WERE IN THE PRIOR BUDGETS, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN HIRED. I DO NOT KNOW WHY THIS IS STILL AN IMPORTANT BODY OF

WORK. AND SO WITH ABROGATING THESE TWO POSITIONS, HOW IS THE DEPARTMENT GOING TO ENGAGE IN THIS WORK TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE RECRUITING FOLKS IN BOTH THESE EFFORTS.? -- AS A PERSON THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN

POLICE DEPARTMENTS, LOOKING AND REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY SERVE, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR RECRUITMENT TEAM TO READJUST SOME OF OUR RECRUITMENT EFFORTS AND WHERE WE GO

LOOKING AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF WHERE WE'RE GOING, GETTING IN SPACES THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE NOT BEEN IN BEFORE, AND REALLY PUTTING FORTH THAT EFFORT AND SAYING, LOOK AT SEATTLE, LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE TO

OFFER AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT GOING TO THESE PLACES. LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, I SPOKE WITH MY GOOD FRIEND AARON KARLOFF, WHO'S THE SACRAMENTO STATE WOMEN'S BASKETBALL COACH. I'M PRETTY SURE HE SAID

HE'S NEVER BEEN CONTACTED. BUT AS A QUICK TEXT MESSAGE EXCHANGE FOR ME AND HE'S WAS GOING TO ALASKA TO RECRUIT, AND WE HAD DINNER LAST SUNDAY NIGHT WHEN HE CAME BACK AND TALKED ABOUT SOME STUFF AND

WANT TO DO A TEAMS MEETING OR ZOOM MEETING WITH THAT GROUP. I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THERE SPECIFICALLY, BUT NOW TRANSITIONING THAT OVER TO OUR RECRUITMENT TEAM AND GETTING DOWN THERE AND RECRUITING

THOSE WOMEN WITH THE DEI STUFF GOING TO DIFFERENT HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES, SPECIFICALLY GOING INTO DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS THAT WE PROBABLY HAVEN'T WENT INTO BEFORE, BEING A RECRUITER AND MYSELF IN

THE PAST AT MY PREVIOUS AGENCY, GOING TO SOME OF OUR TWO YEAR COLLEGES AND LOOKING AT INDIVIDUALS THAT ONLY WANT AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE, GETTING THOSE SPACES, BUMPING UP OUR EXPLORERS PROGRAM, WE MET

WITH THE EAST AFRICAN COMMUNITY YESTERDAY. WE SEEN THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF EAST AFRICAN STUDENTS AND OUR EXPLORERS PROGRAM. SO GETTING TO SOME OF OUR KIDS HERE IN THE CITY AT AN EARLIER AGE AND

GETTING THEM THROUGH THE PIPELINE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER AVENUE THAT WE CAN USE FOR RECRUITMENT. BUT LOOKING AT WAYS AND LOOKING AT PLACES WE HAVEN'T BEEN BEFORE AND PUTTING OUR, OUR, OUR LOGO

OUT THERE IN THOSE SPACES AND HAVING OUR OFFICERS TALK. -- THANK YOU, INTERIM CHIEF SAYLES. I APPRECIATE ALL THOSE EFFORTS, I SUPPORT IT. I WILL SAY THAT WE PUT THESE POSITIONS IN HERE TO DO THE VERY

THING THAT YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT. SO WE'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WHAT ABILITY YOU WILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU JUST SAID WITHOUT THESE TWO POSITIONS, BECAUSE AS I SAID, PRIOR

CHIEFS HAD SAID SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND THAT'S WHY THE POSITIONS WERE THERE TO HELP DO THAT WORK, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T YOU CAN'T BE DO ALL THAT WORK BY YOURSELF. AND AND THAT'S

WHY. SO JUST WANT TO LEAVE THAT THERE AND THEN. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS, FOR YOUR GRACE. I JUST HAVE ONE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY, WHICH IS WE CANNOT. IT IS TRUE. I AGREE COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ

WE CAN'T ARREST OUR WAY OUT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO GUN VIOLENCE. WE ALSO CANNOT SERVICE OUR WAY RELATED TO THE GUN VIOLENCE ISSUES EITHER. IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH,

AND THIS IS WHY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, I FELT SO STRONGLY I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR THE LAST YEAR ON THIS NATIONAL NETWORK FOR SAFE COMMUNITIES, GUN VIOLENCE FOCUSED DETERRENCE EFFORT. AS I KEEP SAYING,

THEY'RE THE FOLKS THAT THAT THE THE PERSON THAT FOUNDED THAT ORGANIZATION ACTUALLY CREATED THE FOCUSED DETERRENCE STRATEGY. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BRING THEM TO SEATTLE. I NOTICED THAT DESPITE THE FACT

THAT WE DID PASS, COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION WITH A HIGH SUPPORT FOR BRINGING THIS EFFORT TO SEATTLE. THE MAYOR DID NOT INCLUDE THE $418,000 OVER THE BIENNIUM, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER 200,000 EACH

YEAR. IT'S A ONE TIME AD TO BRING THIS EFFORT HERE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. SO I WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THE FOR THE PUBLIC'S FOR CONSTITUENTS WHO MAY BE WATCHING. AND I ALSO WANT TO LEVEL SET

SOMETHING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAYOR HAS A GUN VIOLENCE PLAN THAT SHE'S REVEALED. AND I KNOW THAT MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE HAS SPOKEN TO IT TODAY. I

WILL SAY IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT NOT TO KEEP USING THE TERM FOCUSED DETERRENCE FOR EFFORTS THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY FOCUSED DETERRENCE. AND THE REASON WHY IS THE NATIONAL NETWORK FOR SAFE COMMUNITIES HAS

MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IF YOU DO NOT IMPLEMENT FOCUSED DETERRENCE, THE THE WAY THAT IT WAS MEANT TO BE IMPLEMENTED, SUCH AS THEIR EFFORT, THEN IT ACTUALLY CAN LEAD TO MORE HARM THAN GOOD. AND SO I

THINK, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FOLKS WANT TO TALK ABOUT FOCUSED DETERRENCE AS THIS GENERIC THING THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, BUT IT IS NOT. IT ALSO DOESN'T

TAKE AWAY FROM ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING. WE NEED ALL OF IT. WE NEED MORE TOOLS. WE NEED EVERY SINGLE TOOL, AND WE NEED THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF FOCUSED DETERRENCE. SO IT IS, IN MY OPINION, REALLY

IT IS NOT THE RIGHT APPROACH TO KEEP USING THE TERM FOCUS DETERRENCE TO TALK ABOUT OTHER GENERIC THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE DOING RELATED TO GUN VIOLENCE. IT'S CONFUSING. AND THEN WHEN IT DOESN'T WORK,

THEN FOLKS ARE GOING TO SAY, OH, THAT FOCUS DETERRENCE THING DIDN'T WORK. AND THAT'S NOT OKAY. SO WE CAN SAY, WE CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT ALL THE EFFORTS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING. FOR YEARS, THE CITY

HAS BEEN FUNDING COMMUNITY SAFETY PROGRAMS. WE NEED THOSE. BUT THOSE PROGRAMS ARE NOT FOCUSED DETERRENCE. SO WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT

THE NATIONAL NETWORK FOR SAFE COMMUNITIES, FOCUSED DETERRENCE STRATEGY. IF IF THE MAYOR DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT AND SHE SHE HAS NOT COMMITTED TO DOING THIS, CLEARLY DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE BUDGET. SHE'S

NOT COMMITTED TO DOING THIS. THEN SHE JUST NEEDS TO SAY SO. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S OKAY FOR HER TO KEEP USING THE TERM FOCUSED DETERRENCE, WHEN THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT'S NOT

OKAY. SO IN THIS BUDGET, THERE IS NO FOCUS DETERRENCE STRATEGY. AND I WANT TO SAY IT BECAUSE WE, I, I, I TRIED AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE SINCE THEY GOT HERE TO TRY THIS STRATEGY

HERE. SHE HASN'T WANTED TO DO IT, BUT I THINK THE PUBLIC REALLY NEEDS TO KNOW AND THEY NEED TO KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET. SO I WILL KEEP TRYING TO MAKE THIS EFFORT HERE IN SEATTLE HAPPEN BECAUSE I

THINK IT'S NEEDED. IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S AN ADDITIONAL TOOL. WE NEED ALL THE TOOLS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS. -- THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. DIRECTOR PANUCCI. -- THANK YOU, CHAIR. STRAUSS.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, AND I THINK THIS CONVERSATION IS PROBABLY BETTER HAD WHEN CHIEF BARDEN IS AT THE TABLE FOR THE CARE DEPARTMENT'S PRESENTATION. BUT FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS $1.2

MILLION BEING TRANSFERRED FROM THE HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO SUPPORT THE MAYOR'S GUN VIOLENCE PLAN. ABOUT HALF OF THAT IS TO FUND THREE NEW POSITIONS TO SUPPORT THAT WORK, $300,000 IS FOR CASE

MANAGEMENT AND REFERRAL SYSTEM, AND THERE'S A BALANCE OF ABOUT $300,000 EACH YEAR FOR ONGOING PROGRAM EVALUATION. FOCUSED DETERRENCE PROGRAMS, DIRECT INVESTMENTS IN FOCUSED DETERRENCE STRATEGIES. SO

THERE IS FUNDING IN THE BUDGET. AND ALSO JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT RESPECTFULLY, COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA, THE RESOLUTION WAS PASSED ON SEPTEMBER 15th. AND I KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, YOU'VE BEEN

ON THE EXECUTIVE SIDE FROM AYE FOR THE BUDGET OFFICE. THIS IS JUST PURELY A TECHNICAL THING. WE ARE NOT MAKING CHANGES TO THE BUDGET AT THAT POINT, BUT BEING AWARE OF THIS CONVERSATION THERE IS THAT

FUNDING IN THE BUDGET. THANK YOU. -- COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA ANY LAST COMMENTS? -- THANK YOU. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S FUNDING IN THE BUDGET FOR THE NATIONAL NETWORK FOR SAFE COMMUNITIES

PARTNERSHIP FOR THEIR FOCUS DETERRENCE STRATEGY? -- NO, I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S MONEY FOR A SPECIFIC EARMARKED ORGANIZATION. I'M SAYING THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE TO MAKE THAT TYPE OF AN INVESTMENT IN

AN ORGANIZATION THAT COULD PROVIDE THAT SUPPORT TO THE CITY. IF THAT IS THE DECISION. BUT I THINK THAT COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE CHIEF BARDEN TO TALK MORE ON THE SUBSTANCE BECAUSE THAT'S I'M TALKING THE

BUDGET HERE, THE NUMBERS PART, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE THE SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATION ON. THAT WOULD BE BETTER HELD WITH CHIEF BARDEN. -- THANK YOU. ALI. AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR THAT

SAYING YOU'RE DOING FOCUSED DETERRENCE DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING FOCUSED DETERRENCE. IT IS A STRATEGY. IT'S A SPECIFIC STRATEGY. AGAIN, CREATED BY THE FOUNDER OF THE NATIONAL NETWORK FOR SAFE

COMMUNITIES, WHICH IS WHY I SPENT A YEAR WORKING ON THIS EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET THIS RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO SEE IN THE BUDGET. AND I APPRECIATE THAT

YOU'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ABOUT THIS EFFORT FOR MOST OF THIS YEAR. SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET IF THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTED TO PRIORITIZE. AND

THE LAST THING I WILL SAY IS, UP UNTIL THE MAYOR SUBMITS, BECAUSE I DID WORK IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND I WAS IN OPERATIONS LEAD, I KNOW THAT UP TO THE POINT THAT THE MAYOR SUBMITS THE BUDGET TO

COUNCIL, THEY CAN MAKE CHANGES IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO, PARTICULARLY FOR SOMETHING SMALL, AS THIS TYPE OF INVESTMENT. YOU COULD HAVE EVEN PUT IT INTO THE THE CARE, IF THAT'S WELL, REALLY YOU

CAN'T BECAUSE IT IS A A CONTRACT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. THAT'S THE EFFORT. BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THAT. IF SHE HAD WANTED TO DO THIS, SHE COULD HAVE,

BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT LAST MINUTE. THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM ALL YEAR. SHE CHOSE TO DO DIFFERENTLY. THAT IS HER PREROGATIVE, BUT I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO

KNOW. THANK YOU. -- THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO KEEP US MOVING. COUNCILMEMBER SAKA. AYE. SEE YOU'VE GOT YOUR HAND. AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT AFTER. -- THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU, INTERIM CHIEF SALES.

REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND OVERVIEW HERE ALSO APPRECIATE THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND SHOUT OUT TO CAPTAIN BEYER AND CAPTAIN HEIDI TUTTLE I TOO WANT TO SHOUT OUT CAPTAIN BEYER AND CAPTAIN

TUTTLE. CAPTAIN BEYER IS A SOUTHWEST PRECINCT COMMANDER. AND HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL PARTNER TO ME AND MY OFFICE. AND ADDRESSING PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, RESPONDING TO CONSTITUENTS, HAVING CANDID

CONVERSATIONS AROUND WHAT'S DOABLE IN SOME CASES, WHAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF BECAUSE OF LACK OF STAFFING, OFFICER STAFFING. BUT BOTH ARE TERRIFIC LEADERS IN THE DEPARTMENT. AND YOU, INTERIM CHIEF AND EVERY

CHIEF BEFORE AND EVERY CHIEF AFTER ARE INCREDIBLY LUCKY TO HAVE WOMEN LIKE CAPTAIN BEYER AND CAPTAIN TUTTLE TO BE ABLE TO WORK ALONGSIDE WOMEN LIKE THAT. I ALSO WANT TO PLUS ONE TO A FEW OF MY. WELL

EVERY EVERY LAST ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES, I'VE AGREED WITH KEY ELEMENTS OF WHAT THEY'VE SAID. SO PLUS ONE TO THE ESSENCE OF THAT, HIGHLIGHTING A COUPLE OF THINGS, THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING OFFICER

RECRUITMENT AND HIRING, MARKETING AND PROMOTIONAL BUDGET ACTIVITIES OUR OUR BUDGET AND FORECASTING AND GOALS SHOULD BE, AT LEAST INITIALLY IN NEXT PHASE, SHOULD BE MORE MAPPED TOWARDS A 1400 1450

TOTAL PLUS OFFICER MINIMUM, RATHER THAN 1250. THE KEY IMPORTANCE OF THE 30 BY 30 POSITIONS AND DIE POSITIONS. I MIGHT TAKE A. AS ONE OF ONE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMPIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ON

THAT ISSUE OF ADDRESSING CULTURAL REFORM AND 30. BY 30. I HAPPEN TO THINK THAT THOSE KEY POSITIONS ARE A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF A BROADER STRATEGY. THEY ARE AN EFFECTIVE STRATEGY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE

SHARED CHALLENGES AND SHARED GOALS THAT WE'RE ALL DRIVING TOWARDS HERE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THEY'RE IN COMPETITION WITH I DON'T THINK THEY'RE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE WITH ANY OTHER EFFORTS TO TO

ADDRESS THE THE SAME CHALLENGE. WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE DEPARTMENT SO FAR AND CHIEF, NOT A KNOCK ON YOU PERSONALLY, BUT I'VE HEARD IT FROM EFFECTIVELY FOUR CHIEFS. NOW, I'VE HEARD WHEN WHEN

CONFRONTED DIRECTLY ABOUT THAT QUESTION, I'VE HEARD A LIST OF ACTIVITIES. I'VE HEARD A LIST OF TACTICS, BUT WHAT I HAVEN'T HEARD AND WHAT IS CRUCIALLY MISSING IS A A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND STRATEGY TO

ADDRESS THE CULTURAL ISSUES THAT ARE WELL KNOWN, WELL PUBLICIZED, WELL DOCUMENTED, AND UNLESS AND UNTIL I HEAR A CLEAR, CONSISTENT, COHERENT, ARTICULABLE STRATEGY THAT ADDRESSES THAT SAME THING. I DO

THINK THAT OUR COUNCIL PRIORITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN CLEAR ON AND CONSISTENT ON FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THESE CRITICAL 30 BY 30 POSITIONS ARE A NECESSARY COMPONENT. SO STILL WAITING TO HEAR FROM

THAT. BUT WE'LL CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, YES. NEED MORE. QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU, CHIEF. WOULD INSTALLING AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SECURITY CAMERAS YESTERDAY.

CCTV CAMERAS YESTERDAY AT THE SEATTLE CENTER. BUT TRUTH BE TOLD THIS IS ACTUALLY A BETTER FORUM FOR THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE HISTORICALLY, MAINTENANCE AND DEPLOYMENT OF OF NEW CAMERA EXPANSIONS, THAT

IS SOMETHING THAT COMES OUT OF SPD'S BUDGET. AND SO I JUST WANT TO JUST WANT TO ASK YOU, I'M REALLY CURIOUS WHAT INSTALLING CCTV CAMERAS AT SEATTLE CENTER BE HELPFUL TO SPD IN DETERRING AND

INVESTIGATING CRIMES THAT OCCUR ON THE SEATTLE CENTER CAMPUS, YES OR NO? -- YES -- THANK YOU. SO HAD RECENT TRAGEDY AT THE BITE AND INVESTIGATORS ARE HARD AT WORK FOLLOWING UP ON LEADS, CHASING DOWN

EVIDENCE. BUT SECOND QUESTION IS, FOLLOWING THE JULY SHOOTING AT THE SEATTLE CENTER, DID SPD HAVE ANY CITY OPERATED CCTV FOOTAGE FROM THE IMMEDIATE AREA, OR DID INVESTIGATORS HAVE TO RELY ON VIDEO

VOLUNTARILY PROVIDED BY SEATTLE CENTER TENANTS, BUSINESSES, EVENT ATTENDEES AND OTHER THIRD PARTIES? -- YES, A LOT OF THOSE CAMERAS IN THAT AREA ASSISTED US AT THAT TIME. IF YOU LOOK AT IT REALLY

NATIONALLY AND STATISTICALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE CAMERAS IN USE, IS THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ASSIST US IN INVESTIGATION AND SOLVE THOSE HEINOUS CRIMES SOONER. -- THANK YOU. VERY HELPFUL CHIEF, THAT

BRINGS ME TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET BEFORE US. SEE, A BUDGET IS MORE THAN A SPREADSHEET. HERE'S HERE'S THE BUDGET RIGHT HERE. THAT'S THE BUDGET RIGHT THERE. A BUDGET IS MORE THAN A SPREADSHEET, A SET OF

BINDERS, DOCUMENTS. IT'S HUNDREDS OF PAGES LONG LINE ITEMS. A BUDGET TELLS THE PUBLIC WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED, WHAT WE VALUE AND WHICH SPECIFIC RISKS WE ARE PREPARED TO ACCEPT OR NOT. AND AFTER THE

TRAGEDY AT THE BITE, I EXPECTED THIS PROPOSED BUDGET TO INCLUDE FUNDING FOR CCTV CAMERAS AT THE SEATTLE CENTER. AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, IT DOES NOT. I FIND THAT OMISSION EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT TO

UNDERSTAND AND INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTING. IT'S PAST TIME TO CENTER THE CRIME VICTIMS, INCLUDING ASHLEY WHITE AND HER FAMILY. THREE PEOPLE TRAGICALLY LOST THEIR LIFE AT THE SEATTLE CENTER SHOOTING IN

JULY, WITH FIVE ADDITIONAL WOUNDED WOUNDED, INCLUDING A TWO YEAR OLD ONE OF THOSE MURDER VICTIMS WAS ASHLEY WHITEHEAD. NOW ASHLEY WAS A 56 YEAR OLD. SHE WAS AN INNOCENT BYSTANDER WHO WENT TO A BELOVED

COMMUNITY EVENT AND TRAGICALLY NEVER CAME HOME. SHE WAS WAITING IN LINE FOR COTTON CANDY. WHEN SHE WAS STRUCK DOWN BY GUN VIOLENCE. HER COUSIN, MICHELLE WHITEHEAD, HAS PUBLICLY ASKED PLEADED WITH THE

CITY TO INSTALL CAMERAS, AMONG OTHER SOLUTIONS. WE OWE IT TO ASHLEY. HER FAMILY AND EVERY PERSON WHO GATHERS AT THE SEATTLE CENTER MORE THAN OUR CONDOLENCES, MORE THAN THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS, WE OWE

THEM AN HONEST EXAMINATION OF WHAT FAILED, WHAT POTENTIALLY HINDERED INVESTIGATIONS, AND WHAT COULD HELP. THE NEXT TIME. SOME BLATANT OPERATIONAL CONTRADICTIONS AT PLAY HERE IS THE KEY CONTRADICTION.

AFTER A DEADLY SHOOTING AT ONE OF THE CITY'S MOST IMPORTANT CIVIC CAMPUSES, THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD TO TO SEEK VIDEO EVIDENCE FOOTAGE FROM TENANTS, BUSINESSES, VISITORS AND PEOPLE HOLDING

CELL PHONES. WE'RE ASKING OUR INVESTIGATORS TO ESSENTIALLY PASS THE HAT FOR SIMPLE VIDEO EVIDENCE AFTER TRAGEDY STRIKES, BEGGING, BORROWING, PLEADING, PASSING THE COLLECTION PLATE FOR SIMPLE, SIMPLE

EVIDENCE. APPARENTLY EVERYONE CAN HAVE A CAMERA IN THE CITY EXCEPT THE CITY ITSELF. THE CITY GOVERNMENT ITSELF THAT IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. EVERYBODY GETS A CAMERA EXCEPT US. HOW IN

THE WORLD DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE -- WHY DON'T YOU. -- TOTAL HEAD SCRATCHER. THAT IS NOT A STRATEGY. THAT IS A HUGE AND GAPING VULNERABILITY AND WE HAVE CHOSEN TO PRESERVE AND ENSHRINE IN OUR BUDGET.

WE NEED A MORE BALANCED, SENSIBLE APPROACH. TRUTH BE TOLD, CAMERAS ARE NOT MAGIC. THEY ARE NOT 100% RISK FREE. BY THE WAY, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD RIGHTFULLY QUESTION ANY LEADER OR ELECTED

OFFICIAL OR POLITICIAN WHO HAS STATED GOALS IS 100% RISK FREE. GUARANTEED TO LOCK IN STATUS QUO. GUARANTEED TO KEEP US IN THE SUNKEN PLACE. GUARANTEED TO KEEP US IN ANALYSIS PARALYSIS AND GUARANTEED.

TO PUT US IN A PERPETUAL STATE OF STASIS. TIME TO SNAP OUT OF IT CAMERAS DO NOT REPLACE OFFICERS VIOLENCE PREVENTION, GOOD LIGHTING, NITTY GRITTY SEPTET DESIGN REVIEWS, METAL DETECTORS AND WEAPONS

SCREENING EQUIPMENT, NON-POLICE RESPONSES, EVENT SECURITY TRAINING, PROSECUTION OR RESPONSIBLE MANAGEMENT, PRIVACY AND CIVIL LIBERTIES CONCERNS DESERVE REAL SAFEGUARDS, INCLUDING LIMITED ACCESS,

RETENTION RULES, AUDITING AND ACCOUNTABILITY. BUT SIMPLY REFUSING TO INSTALL CAMERAS CARRIES SIGNIFICANT RISK TO THE SECURITY BENEFITS AT A MAJOR EVENT CAMPUS GREATLY OUTWEIGH RISKS THAT CAN AND

SHOULD BE MANAGED. CAMERAS CAN DETER SOME MISCONDUCT, IMPROVE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, PRESERVE EVIDENCE, ACCELERATE INVESTIGATIONS AND HELP IDENTIFY PEOPLE INVOLVED BEFORE MORE HARM OCCURS. WE CAN'T

SAY WE'RE ADVANCING A RESPONSIBLE BUDGET AND CARRYING OUT OUR CHARTER RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE WITHOUT FUNDING FOR CRITICAL CCTV CAMERAS AT THE SEATTLE CENTER. WELL, AT LEAST WE CAN'T SAY

THAT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE WHEN WE DO THAT, THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDABLY FEELS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN HOODWINKED. THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN BAMBOOZLED, SNOOKERED, HORNSWOGGLED, DUPED, SWINDLED, PLAYED,

HUSTLED, TRICKED, FOOLED, MISINFORMED, LEAD PUNKED. SOLD A BILL OF GOODS. SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THEORETICAL CONSIDERATIONS AT PLAY. BUT MORE IMPORTANT, PRACTICAL REALITIES SHOULD SUPERSEDE AND

GOVERN HERE. THIS IS SOMETIMES PRESENTED AS THOUGH CCTV AT THE SEATTLE CENTER, WHERE A RADICAL IDEA. BUT A RECENT CHAMBER POLL FOUND THAT 75% OF SURVEYED SEATTLE VOTERS SUPPORTED CAMERAS AT THE

SEATTLE CENTER AND OTHER MAJOR EVENT VENUES. IRONICALLY, THIS SUPPOSEDLY CONTROVERSIAL TECHNOLOGY HAS UNUSUALLY LOPSIDED PUBLIC SUPPORT. THIS IS NOT A FRINGE OR OR RADICAL POSITION IN SEATTLE. EVEN IN

THE TRUMP 2.0 ERA, A MAJOR EVENT, ORGANIZERS AND VENUE OPERATORS, INCLUDING CLIMATE PLEDGE ARENA, THE SEATTLE CENTER, SEAFAIR AND OTHERS HAVE ALSO URGED THE CITY TO RESTORE CAMERAS AND SOTO AND EXPAND

COVERAGE TO THE CENTER. THE PEOPLE WHO HOST BIG CROWDS ARE ASKING. THE PUBLIC IS ASKING. A VICTIM'S FAMILY IS ASKING. SPD EXPERTS HAVE EXPLAINED THE OPERATIONAL AND INVESTIGATIVE VALUE OF CAMERAS. YET

CONFUSINGLY, THE PROPOSED BUDGET ANSWERS WITH SILENCE OR AT A BARE MINIMUM, INDIFFERENCE WE NEED TO STOP THINKING THAT WE'RE SMARTER THAN THE PEOPLE HOSTING BIG CROWDS. WE NEED TO STOP THINKING WE'RE

SMARTER THAN THE PUBLIC, SMARTER THAN VICTIMS AND IMPACTED FAMILIES, SMARTER THAN EXPERTS, SMARTER THAN THE PLAIN AND CLEAR COMMON SENSE. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT SURVEILLANCE TOOLS COULD BE

MISUSED, INCLUDING BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. BUT THE FEDS HAVE VASTLY SUPERIOR RESOURCES AND THE ABILITY TO ACQUIRE AND DEPLOY ITS OWN TOOLS, CHOOSING TO VOLUNTARILY BLIND SEATTLE DOES NOT BLIND

WASHINGTON, D.C., THE RESPONSIBLE SOLUTION IS STRONG LOCAL SAFEGUARDS, NOT COMPLETELY SHUTTING DOWN AND DENYING OUR OWN INVESTIGATORS AND THE PUBLIC THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE EXPENDED AT A MAJOR CIVIC

CULTURAL HUB LIKE THE CENTER, THE EXECUTIVE CLAIMS THE PROPOSED BUDGET INVESTS IN PUBLIC SAFETY. YET THE PROPOSED BUDGET DOES NOT FUND A BASIC INVESTIGATIVE CAPABILITY. AT ONE OF THE CITY'S LARGEST

GATHERING SPACES AGAIN, CAMERAS ARE NOT RISK FREE. NEITHER IS REFUSING TO HAVE THEM. DOING NOTHING ON CAMERAS IS ITSELF A PUBLIC SAFETY DECISION. SO I HAVE A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION FOR THE

EXECUTIVE. AFTER JULY, WHAT ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE ARE WE WAITING FOR I'M OBVIOUSLY AN UNAPOLOGETIC SUPPORTER OF RESPONSIBLY GOVERNED CCTV AT THE SEATTLE CENTER PRO CAMERA, IF YOU WILL, ESPECIALLY IN BIG

EVENT SPACES. I'M ALSO PRO PRIVACY SAFEGUARDS, PRO ACCOUNTABILITY, PRO RESPONSIBLE IMPLEMENTATION, PRO REAL SOLUTIONS, AND I'LL ADD THAT I'M ANTI HYPOCRISY ANTI-PURITAN PROGRESSIVE POLITICS, ANTI

TOMFOOLERY AND ANTI STATUS QUO THIS IS NOT ABOUT FEAR. IT IS NOT ABOUT PRETENDING. ONE PROVEN TOOL CAN SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM. IT IS ABOUT REFUSING TO LEAVE A KNOWN GAP IN PLACE WHERE RESIDENTS, WORKERS,

FAMILIES AND VISITORS GATHER BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS. THE COUNCIL AND THE EXECUTIVE SHARE THE SAME DUTY. KEEP THE SEATTLE CENTER SAFE, OPEN AND WELCOMING. WE NEED TO START TAKING PUBLIC SAFETY

SERIOUSLY IN SEATTLE. THE GOOD NEWS, GOOD NEWS IT'S NOT ALL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THERE'S STILL TIME TO CORRECT THIS OMISSION. FUND THE CAMERAS, ADOPT STRONG SAFEGUARDS, AND MAKE

THE RESPONSIBLE CHOICE TOGETHER. I'M NOT ANGRY. I AM, HOWEVER, TOTALLY CONFUSED AND UTTERLY DISAPPOINTED. I'LL BE REVIEWING THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECTS OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET. WITH A SENSE OF

INCREDULOUS SKEPTICISM, I THINK WE ALL SHOULD. THANK YOU AGAIN, CHIEF. APPRECIATE THE OVERVIEW. MORE WORK FOR US TO DO TOGETHER. THANK YOU CHAIR. -- THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER SAKA AND MEMBERS OF THE

COMMITTEE. AS A REMINDER, VULGAR LANGUAGE IS NOT ALLOWED AT OUR MEETINGS COMMITTEE TABLE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE AT THIS TIME? SORRY, SORRY. NO. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL. COUNCIL

PRESIDENT HOLLINGSWORTH. -- THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND I WILL I WILL BE QUICK. THANK YOU, CHIEF SALES FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE YOU. DAN EDER, ALI AND LISH, YOU ALL WILL BE HERE ALL DAY, SO I'LL. IT'S A

ROTATION RIGHT HERE. SO REAL QUICK I REALLY APPRECIATE APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. I KNOW I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MADE AS WELL. AND BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT

PERSPECTIVES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD REALLY HELP ME HELP FOR ME AND WE CAN GO OFFLINE ON THIS, BUT I'LL JUST STATE IT IS HAVING ACTUAL DATA AND INFORMATION REGARDING IF WE ARE INCREASING BUDGETS

OR DECREASING WHATEVER IT IS, HOW -- HOW DOES THAT IMPACT RESPONSE TIMES? OFFICERS KEEPING DRUGS OFF THE STREETS. GUN. GUN. RETRIEVALS. CRIME SOLVES THE HOT SPOTS IN SEATTLE. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE MORE

OR LESS UNDERCOVER GROCERY RETAIL THEFT OPERATIONS? DOES THIS INCREASE OUR BIKE? COPS. BEATS ON THE STREETS. OFFICER. OUTREACH. WHATEVER. ALL THOSE PIECES THAT I KNOW THAT WE JUDGE HOW OUR POLICE

DEPARTMENT IS INTERACTING WITH OUR COMMUNITY. HOW DOES THIS IMPACT THAT? AND THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL. SO HEY JOY, WE ONLY HAVE THIS MANY OFFICERS ON SECOND WATCH AT THE EAST PRECINCT. THIS WOULD

INCREASE OR DECREASE THAT OPPORTUNITY OR THIS WOULD INCREASE. YOU KNOW, 1 OR 2 OFFICERS THAT WE COULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FROM WEST PRECINCT TO EAST PRECINCT OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WOULD HELP ME GET AN

IDEA ABOUT HOW THE BUDGET PROPOSAL THAT YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN US TODAY WOULD BE ABLE TO JUST TO PUT AND LIKE COUNCILMEMBER LIN SAID, SOME OF THE OUTCOMES AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OUTCOMES THAT I'M

LOOKING LOOKING FOR. BECAUSE SINCE NINE EIGHT, EXCUSE ME, SINCE 910, WE HAD A SHOOTING AT WESTLAKE PARK, ONE DEAD, NINE SIX BELLTOWN, ONE DEAD, NINE FOUR ON THE BLOCK OF AURORA, ONE INJURED, NINE ONE

IN DELRIDGE, ONE INJURED, 819. WE HAD ONE INJURED, 819 THIS IS JUST FROM SHOTS ONE DEAD IN FIRST HILL. WE ALSO HAD IN PIONEER SQUARE 817, ONE INJURED, 812 IN SOUTH SEATTLE, ONE INJURED 810. HIGH

POINT, ONE DEAD. THOSE ARE ACTUAL DATA POINTS THAT I CAN LOOK AT TO SEE OKAY, HOW HOW ARE WE DOING IN OUR CITY? SO. OH, AND THAT'S JUST WHAT SHOTS FIRED. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE

LISTENING FROM OUR CARE TEAM TO TALK ABOUT THE GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION PLAN. SO EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT TALK ABOUT THAT. AND THEN ALSO TO, YOU KNOW, US GOING WELL. JOY THE TOP FIVE ARRESTS IN OUR CITY,

ARE ASSAULTS, THEFT, VEHICLE AND TRAFFIC CRIMES. WE HAVE WARRANTS AND NARCOTICS. THOSE ARE THE TOP FIVE. HOW WILL THAT IMPACT EAST PRECINCT? BECAUSE OURS ARE ASSAULTS, NARCOTICS, THEFT WARRANTS, AND

VEHICLE AND TRAFFIC CRIMES IS NUMBER FIVE. AND HOW WILL THE BUDGET AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, IMPACT THOSE PIECES WILL IMPACT ARRESTS? WILL IT IMPACT OFFICERS ON BIKES? AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ASSAULTS WERE,

YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW ARE THEY RESPONDED TO? LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE INFORMATION FOR ME. THAT'S SUPER HELPFUL. SO WHEN I AM MAKING A VOTE OR I AM TELLING THE CITIZENS, OUR

CONSTITUENTS, THIS IS WHY I VOTED ON THIS. THIS IS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM THAT. SO THAT'S SUPER HELPFUL FOR, FOR, FOR ME PERSONALLY. AND THEN REAL QUICK, I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED

ABOUT BALTIMORE AND BOSTON IN COMPARISON. I HAD THIS INFORMATION FROM A MINUTE AGO. SO I KNOW WE'RE ABOUT 800 000 POPULATION. WE HAVE 1.4 OFFICERS TO 1000 PEOPLE. BALTIMORE HAS 3.6 TO 1000 PEOPLE.

BOSTON HAS 3.15 TO 1000 PEOPLE. SO THOSE ARE VERY I KNOW WE LIKE TO MAKE COMPARISONS WITH OTHER CITIES. I THINK SEATTLE IS VERY UNIQUE. WE CHERRY PICK STUFF, BUT SEATTLE IS VERY UNIQUE TO THINGS. AND

SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF BALTIMORE, IS IT POLICE? IS IT THEIR CRIME DETERRENCE? IS IT WHAT IS IT? RIGHT. BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE THAT COMPARISON WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE STATS,

WHEN YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE THE POLICE, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE, THEY HAVE DOUBLE MORE THE POLICE THAN WE DO HERE IN THE IN THE CITY OF SEATTLE. SO JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT PLAYS INTO PART. AND LAST BUT

NOT LEAST, I KNOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT CAMERAS ALL DAY. AND YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY WORK OR NOT. BUT HERE ARE THE FACTS. OKAY COUNCIL ADDED 65 CAMERAS IN 2025 AND WE ALLOWED SP-D TO HAVE ACCESS TO 145

TRAFFIC CAMERAS IN IN THE CITY. OUR TCC SUPPORTED 17 HOMICIDES IN 2025. AND THIS IS ALL ONLINE, LEADING TO TEN ARRESTS, TEN ARRESTS, 17 HOMICIDES. AND I CAN TELL YOU, I HAVE TALKED ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE

IN MY PERSONAL THING THIS MONTH. FINALLY, TWO AND A HALF YEARS LATER, I HAD A BROTHER IN LAW, UNFORTUNATELY, WHO DIED OF OF GUN VIOLENCE WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD. AND THE TRIAL WILL GO THIS MONTH TO KING

COUNTY. IT WAS CAUGHT ON CAMERA AND THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT WE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO ARREST THE ASSAILANT. I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS THE ACTUAL THE ACTUAL FACTS. I HAD A

COUSIN WHO WAS SHOT THIS YEAR AND DIED. HIS DAD WAS SHOT AS WELL. BEFORE THAT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, AND IS PARALYZED FROM THE WAIST DOWN. HE'S NOW WORKING IN SEATTLE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. HIS SON WAS

MURDERED THIS YEAR ON RAINIER. THERE WAS NO CAMERA. HE WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD AND DIED. UNFORTUNATELY. AND THAT'S JUST REALLY SAD THAT THAT TYPE OF GUN VIOLENCE, NO ONE'S ADVOCATING, I BELIEVE, FOR FOR

CAMERAS TO SAY, WILL THEY PREVENT CRIME? I AM TALKING ABOUT CAN THEY HELP GO AND SOLVE MURDERS, INVESTIGATIONS TO LEAD TO CLOSURES FOR THE FAMILY. I BELIEVE THE CAMERA TALKING POINT HAS BEEN VERY

POLITICAL, AND WE CAN'T EVEN GET PAST THE NOISE TO LOOK AT THE FACTS. CHICAGO PROGRESSIVE MAYOR, 4400 CAMERAS. NEW YORK SOCIALIST MAYOR, 6600 CAMERAS. BALTIMORE 861 CCTV CAMERAS. IF WE DON'T WANT

CAMERAS, FINE. TAKE OUT THE POLICE CAMERAS, TAKE OUT TRAFFIC CAMERAS, TAKE OUT CAMERAS IN OUR CHAMBER. TAKE THEM ALL OUT. TAKE OUT PARKS. DEPARTMENT HAS CAMERAS FOR A LOT OF THEIR THEIR THEIR PARKS.

TAKE THEM OUT. OKAY, BUT WE CAN'T CHERRY PICK. I'M TELLING YOU, WE CAN'T CHERRY PICK BASED ON POLITICAL IDEOLOGY. AND I'M TIRED OF IT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING REALLY AFFECTED. SO WHILE I AGREE WITH

PEOPLE, I HAD A A BUDGET ALLOCATION THAT REMOVED CAMERA MONEY AND PUT IT INTO PEOPLE THAT ARE GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION FOLKS, I DID THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE TIME THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. AND

I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND ARGUE IF CAMERAS ARE GOOD OR NOT. I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE FACTS OF THE CRIMES THAT THEY HAVE LED TO SOLVING. THE ONES THAT ARE IN OTHER CITIES AS WELL. AND NOW WE'RE AT A

REALLY CRITICAL POINT WHERE WE SEE THAT WE DON'T WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS THAT ARE IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER CITIES THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS WORKING IN BALTIMORE AND

LOOK AT NEW YORK AND LOOK HOW AMAZING CHICAGO IS. FINE. BUT WE DO NEED TOOLS HOLISTICALLY IN ADDITION TO NOT ONLY CAMERAS, BUT ALSO THE GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION PLAN, THE NATIONAL, THE NETWORK OF, OF

SAFE COMMUNITIES. WE NEED IT ALL. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT IS MISSING BECAUSE WE JUST DRILL DOWN ON ONE THING THAT IS SO POLITICALLY HOT AND NOT THE WHOLE PICTURE. WE LITERALLY NEED

EVERYTHING. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE AS I'M LOOKING THROUGH THIS BUDGET AND WHAT WOULD HELP ME AGAIN, WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT POINTS IN WHICH THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT CHARACTERIZES

SUCCESS FOR OUR CITY. AND THEN HOW DOES THIS BUDGET IMPACT RESPONSE TIMES AND AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WILL I WILL BE LOOKING FOR. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND HELP. AND I

REALLY APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUE'S COMMENTS. I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE ABOUT CAMERAS IF THEY WORK OR IF THEY DON'T WORK. I'M JUST HERE TELLING EVERYONE THE FACTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND LET ME JUST SAY

THIS. THIS IS MY LAST THING. COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS, I APOLOGIZE, BUDGET CHAIR, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHEN WE HAVE FOLKS THAT CAN JUST STRAIGHT JUST CAN ANSWER A QUESTION AND COUNCILMEMBER SAKA ASKED

YOU, HEY, WILL A CAMERA HELP SOLVE A CRIME IF IT'S BEING RECORDED, THAT IS A YES OR NO QUESTION. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE PEOPLE SILENCED ON TV WHEN THEY ARE SITTING NEXT TO A POLITICIAN. IF THEY CAN

ANSWER A STRAIGHT QUESTION, YES OR NO, BECAUSE IT THEN GOES AGAINST SOME OF THE CHARACTERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT WANT TO ANSWER CERTAIN QUESTIONS BUT CAN'T BECAUSE THEY FEEL SILENCED. AND

IT'S JUST SO DISRESPECTFUL. SO I JUST WANT US TO GET TO A PLACE OF COMMON SENSE WHERE WE CAN JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS VERY SIMPLY, OKAY, REGARDING DOES THIS TOOL HELP US? YES OR NO? THAT'S IT. I DON'T

WANT TO HEAR A SPEECH OR A DISSERTATION. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHIEF SALES. -- THANK YOU. CHIEF DIRECTOR TABLE. ANYTHING TO RESPOND THERE? NOPE. COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA HAS HER HAND UP BECAUSE EVERYONE OTHER

THAN MYSELF HAS ALREADY SPOKEN. WE'LL RECOGNIZE YOU FOR A BRIEF COMMENT OR QUESTION. -- THANK YOU. I JUST REALLY WANTED TO ADD TO WHAT MY COLLEAGUES COUNCILMEMBER SAKA AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAVE SAID

ABOUT CAMERAS IS THAT ONE POINT THAT HASN'T COME UP IS THE FACT THAT WE'VE RELIED ON PERSONAL CAMERAS WHEN SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED, WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE IF THEY'VE RECORDED. EVERYONE HAS A PHONE WITH A

CAMERA ON IT, AND WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, THEY'VE RECORDED THINGS OR BUSINESSES HAVE CAMERAS, AND THEN SPD IS ASKING BUSINESSES OR THE PUBLIC AT LARGE IF THEY'VE CAPTURED ANYTHING ON THEIR CAMERAS. SO

THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT CAMERAS, TO ME, THAT'S THAT'S EMBARRASSING THAT WE HAVE TO ASK THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR CAMERA FOOTAGE BECAUSE WE'RE REFUSING TO PUT CAMERAS IN PLACES WHERE THEY NEED TO BE SO THAT

WHEN CRIME DOES HAPPEN, WE'RE ABLE TO SOLVE CRIME AND PROVIDE ANSWERS TO THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN HURT BY IN THESE CRIMES. SO TO ME, THAT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS WHOLE CAMERA PIECE AND

COUNCILMEMBER, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, THIS ISN'T A POLITICAL, IT'S A FACTS. WE DO ASK PEOPLE FOR THEIR PERSONAL FOOTAGE IN ORDER TO SOLVE CRIME. THAT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. THANK

YOU, COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS. -- THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. I'M GOING TO SHARE MY QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS, AND THEN WE WILL PASS IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TABLE FOR FINAL COMMENTS, AND THEN WE

WILL PASS IT BACK TO COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE. AS CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE OVERSEEING THIS DEPARTMENT, WE WILL THEN TAKE AN ASSESSMENT OF IF WE WILL GO TO LUNCH OR IF WE'LL JUST TAKE A BRIEF BREAK BETWEEN

CARE AND SPD. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AND I DON'T HAVE THE CORRECT SLIDES IN FRONT OF ME BECAUSE I TOOK SOME NOTES. BUT CAN YOU SHARE WITH ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INTERFUND CHARGES AND THE

PROFESSIONAL SERVICES? I KNOW THAT YOU TOUCHED ON THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. WHEN COUNCILMEMBER RINCK ASKED ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT WAS ABOUT TWO HOURS AGO -- YEAH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS INTERFUND CHARGES ARE THE KINDS OF NON-DISCRETIONARY CENTRALLY ALLOCATED COSTS THAT COME TO MOST DEPARTMENTS FROM OUR FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, HR AND IT DEPARTMENTS,

THINGS LIKE RENT AND COMPUTERS AND CENTRAL HR FUNCTIONS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THE MORE THAN HALF OF THE. SO THE. ON THIS SLIDE, INTERFUND CHARGES ARE THE GREEN WEDGE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS A SUBSET

OF THE OTHER. THAT BLACK WEDGE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS ABOUT $12 MILLION. IT FUNDS A VARIETY OF THINGS. MORE THAN HALF OF IT IS FOR THE ATSC FUND. OUR CONTRACTOR VENDOR WHO. WHO MANAGES THAT PROGRAM

FOR THE CITY. BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES A VARIETY OF CONSULTANT SERVICES THAT WE WE HIRE ON CONTRACT TO SUPPLEMENT WHAT OUR STAFF DOES. -- THANK YOU. YOU MAY HAVE JUST WALKED INTO A TRAP UNINTENTIONALLY. I

WILL GO TO DIRECTOR PANUCCI AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE AUTOMATED AUTOMATED TRAFFIC SAFETY CAMERAS. OH. -- THAT TRAP. I'M NOT GOING TO TOUCH THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ALSO HIGHLIGHT. FOR THE

INTERFUND CHARGES, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT ISN'T CLEAR THAT WHERE THE BUDGET IS FOR LARGE PURCHASES LIKE VEHICLES, FACILITIES, MAINTENANCE, THAT SORT OF THING THAT ARE IS MANAGED THROUGH OUR FAS

DEPARTMENT. SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO SORT OF HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OTHER VERY EXPENSIVE ITEMS THAT, THAT DRIVE UP THAT, THAT COST FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC. -- THANK YOU. WE'RE SKIPPING TO THE SPEED CAMERAS

BECAUSE OF THIS LAST QUESTION. ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT WE ARE SPENDING $12 MILLION A YEAR TO HAVE ZERO SPEED CAMERAS ON OUR STREETS? -- IT'S ABOUT $7 MILLION IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. SO SEVEN OF THE

$12 MILLION IS FOR THE VENDOR COSTS FOR THE THE AUTOMATED TRAFFIC SAFETY CAMERAS. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SHARE OF THAT IS FOR THE THE SEVEN NEW CAMERAS THAT WILL BE INSTALLED IN 2027 FOR DEDICATED

SPEED CAMERAS. BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES THE BLOCK THE BOX, TRANSIT LANES, RED LIGHT CAMERAS, SCHOOL ZONE CAMERAS, AND THE LIKE. -- OKAY, I MAKE THAT POINT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR TWO YEARS NOW FOR

SPEED CAMERAS TO BE ON THE STREETS. I HAVE FOLLOWED UP WITH SDOT REGULARLY. IT'S TO THE POINT WHERE WE TOOK A WALKING TOUR ON EIGHTH AVENUE NORTHWEST TWO YEARS AGO, AND MADE THE REQUEST FOR A SPEED

CAMERA THAT HAD ALREADY PASSED THROUGH THE POLICE OFFICER'S GUILD CONTRACT THAT HAD ALREADY PASSED THROUGH COUNCIL, THAT HAD ALREADY PASSED THROUGH THE STATE LEGISLATURE. THIS HAS BEEN FOR SOME PEOPLE

IN THE ROOM. I BELIEVE THEY THEY TESTIFIED TO THIS POLICY IN 2014. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT WAS THAT SAME YEAR AND BEFORE THAT, I WAS WORKING ON IT FOR THE STATE SENATOR FROM SEATTLE HERE IN OLYMPIA.

THAT IS. AND SO WE ARE 16 YEARS INTO THIS DISCUSSION, WE'VE HAD TWO YEARS OF BOTH UNION ALLOWANCES AS WELL AS LEGISLATIVE ALLOWANCES, AS WELL AS FUNDING FOR THESE SPEED CAMERAS. AND TO DATE, WE HAVE

ZERO ON OUR STREETS. AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE HAVE SEVEN IN THE WORKS. AND WITH THAT'S JUST IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY NOT OKAY WITH ME THAT WE'RE SPENDING THIS MUCH AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET TO ZERO.

BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT SPEED CAMERAS ARE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN SPEED HUMPS OR SPEED CUSHIONS. WE KNOW THAT SPEED CAMERAS ARE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN ANY OF THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN

PROVIDED IN THE PAST, WHETHER IT'S NARROWING OF LANES OR WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM SDOT USING BIKE LANES TO TRY TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC. NINE OUT OF TEN PEOPLE WHO RECEIVE A SPEED TICKET OR RED LIGHT TICKET

OR SCHOOL ZONE TICKET. NINE OUT OF TEN, DON'T DO IT AGAIN. THAT IS MORE EFFECTIVE THAN THE F ONE 50s THAT I SEE CAREENING OVER THESE SPEED CUSHIONS IN OUR STREETS. AND SO YOU'RE GETTING A BIT OF

SERIOUSNESS FROM ME IN A DIFFERENT CAMERA TYPE THAN MY COLLEAGUES, BUT IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE LITERALLY PAVED THE WAY. TWO YEARS AGO, AND I DON'T SEE ANY ON THE STREETS TODAY. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING

YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE THERE, THERE WASN'T A QUESTION, BUT I MADE A PRETTY INTENSE STATEMENT RIGHT NOW. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO RESPOND, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR -- I'LL JUST SAY THE MAYOR SHARES YOUR INTEREST AND

PRIORITIES IN MOVING THIS. AND IT WAS NAMED IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER. THIS BUDGET IS TRYING TO MOVE THESE THINGS QUICKLY. THERE ARE SOME IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCELERATE THAT WE

INHERITED TO SOME EXTENT. AND I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH MORE INFORMATION, BECAUSE IT'S A NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS. BUT WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON OFF. EXCUSE ME. WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU

WITH MORE DETAILS. -- THANK YOU FOR HISTORICAL CONTEXT. I THINK IT WAS GREG SPOTTS WHO WAS THE DIRECTOR OF SDOT WHEN THIS WAS PASSED. IF THAT PUTS ANY CLARITY INTO PERSPECTIVE. CHIEF SALES, I BET YOU

DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO GREG SPOTTS IS. IT'S BEEN THAT LONG. OH MY GOODNESS. WE'LL GET TO SDOT NEXT WEEK. I WANT TO FOCUS IN ON COMING BACK TO PAGE 345 OF THE BUDGET BOOK. REFLECT CURRENT STAFFING LEVELS

OF CIVILIAN INVESTIGATIVE SUPPORT. I WANT TO CHECK AND CONFIRM. IS THIS. IT'S MY RECOLLECTION THAT IN THE LAST POLICE OFFICER'S GUILD CONTRACT, WE HAD AN ALLOWANCE FOR FORMER OFFICERS TO COME OUT OF

RETIREMENT TO ASSIST IN GENERAL INVESTIGATIONS, BECAUSE WE HAD A SHORTAGE OF OFFICERS, WHICH MEANT THAT WE NEEDED TO TAKE DETECTIVES AND PUT THEM INTO PATROL. AND THIS MEANS WAS A WAY OF EFFECTIVELY

BOLSTERING OUR ABILITY TO FOLLOW UP ON POLICE REPORTS, INVESTIGATE CRIMES AND MAKE THE CASE FOR PROSECUTORS TO TAKE TO COURT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH. AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THE 2 TO 3 YEAR PERIOD

THAT IT TAKES TO GET AN OFFICER FROM THE FROM SUBMITTING THEIR APPLICATION OUT TO THE STREET. BUT IS THIS THAT GROUP IS IS THIS ITEM ON PAGE 345? IS THIS THAT GROUP? AND ANYONE. YES. AND SO ARE WE

EFFECTIVELY SAYING THAT WE BARGAINED FOR THIS ABILITY TO HAVE BETTER INVESTIGATIONS? AND NOW WE ARE WALKING AWAY FROM IT? OR I GUESS, WHAT'S THE STATEMENT HERE? -- I WOULDN'T SAY THAT, COUNCILMEMBER.

WE WE HAVE SEVEN FTES WHO HAVE BEEN HIRED TO DO THIS WORK AND WILL CONTINUE DOING THAT WORK. WE DID NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF RETIRED POLICE OFFICERS,

CIVILIAN SUPPORT STAFF TO HELP WITH INVESTIGATIONS. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF CIVILIANS WHO ARE DOING THIS WORK, BUT THERE WERE TRADE OFFS THAT HAD TO HAPPEN IN

THE GENERAL FUND. -- SO FOR THE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF MY DISTRICT AND THE ENTIRE CITY WHO I WORK WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS, WHO REPORT TO ME THAT THEY'VE MADE POLICE REPORTS ABOUT THE SAME INDIVIDUAL,

SAME GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS OR THE SAME TYPES OF CRIMES HAPPENING REPEATEDLY, WHETHER IT'S OUR SMALL BUSINESSES BEING HIT WITH COPPER THEFT, OUR RESTAURANTS ARE EXPERIENCING THIS AS RECENTLY AS THIS IN

THE LAST SIX MONTHS, WHERE THEY WERE GOING INTO THE REFRIGERATION UNITS, PICKING THE LOCKS, PUTTING THE LOCKS BACK ON SO FOLKS WOULDN'T NOTICE. THAT'S NOT A FLY BY NIGHT. THAT'S A SOPHISTICATED CRIME.

ARE WE SAYING THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE? BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY RESIDENTS IS THAT THEY AREN'T HAVING THESE CRIMES FOLLOWED UP UPON. AND SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SAY TO MY RESIDENTS AT

THIS TIME ABOUT HOW WE ARE INVESTIGATING CRIMES? -- I, AS A CHIEF OF POLICE, WE UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION. WE CLEARLY DO. WE HEAR IT WHEN WE SHOW UP TO THE CALLS A COUPLE DAYS LATER, WHEN WE GET THE

VOICEMAILS AND EMAILS, WE CLEARLY AND WE UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION OF THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. BUT IN A TIME WHERE WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND TRIAGE THESE CASES.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SEVERITY OF THE CRIME, ALLEGED CRIME THAT HAPPENED, THE SOLVABILITY RATE, AND THEN PUT OUR RESOURCES WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN SOLVE THIS. AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY, PUT SOME OF

THESE CASES AND CALLS ON THE BACK BURNER, AND WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO THEM. IT'S UNFORTUNATE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT PAINS ME TO SAY THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE A PERSON THAT IS

LOOKING IN THE EYES OF A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND SAYING, SORRY, BUT YOUR CASE IS NOT IMPORTANT TO US RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE TO GO ON TO THIS NEXT ONE. I KNOW OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE OFFICERS

WORKING THE STREETS. OUR FOLLOW UP UNITS COME IN EVERY DAY. THEY'RE WORKING VERY HARD, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN. I KNOW NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THAT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO TRY TO

FIGURE THIS OUT AND MOVE FORWARD COLLECTIVELY AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD FOR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE IN SEATTLE. -- THANK YOU, CHIEF, AND I'LL SAY THAT IN THE LAST SIX

MONTHS, THE LAST NINE MONTHS, THANKS TO CHIEF BARNES AND YOURSELF, I HAVE SEEN A HIGHER LEVEL OF RESPONSIVENESS TO REPORTS BEING FILED. THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS THAT IT HAS TAKEN YEARS OF MOMENTUM

BUILDING TO GET TO THESE LAST NINE MONTHS, AND THESE CIVILIAN POSITIONS IN GENERAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS ASSISTED TO GET US HERE TODAY. AND SO WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IS BY

ELIMINATING THESE POSITIONS TODAY, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP ON THE COPPER THEFT THAT HAPPENED AT BOYLE HEIGHTS COMMUNITY CENTER? WE'VE GOT KIDS THAT ARE PLAYING SPORTS IN THE DARK RIGHT

NOW BECAUSE WE ARE ALLOWING COPPER THEFT TO GO ON. AND SO, CHIEF, I'VE GOT I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HOW YOU'RE RUNNING THE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE DOING THE BEST YOU CAN WITH

THE RESOURCES YOU HAVE. AND I'M SEEING IMPROVEMENT. BUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DETECTIVES TO FOLLOW UP ON THE COPPER THEFT AT BOYLE HEIGHTS PARK PLAYGROUND, THAT'S PUTTING

SPORT REC LEAGUES UNABLE TO PLAY. AND WHY ARE WE REDUCING THIS TODAY? AND SO IT'S NOT FOR YOU, CHIEF. I SEE DIRECTOR PANUCCI IS TRYING TO JUMP IN. SO, DIRECTOR, IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING TO SHARE HERE.

-- I WOULD JUST SHARE. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE SEEN AN IMPROVEMENT. THESE POSITIONS HAVE NEVER BEEN FILLED. SO THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL BE MAINTAINED. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT PERFECT OR

MEETING ALL OF THE NEEDS. THE MAYOR REALLY PRIORITIZED WHERE SHE COULD IN THIS BUDGET, DIRECT SERVICES TO PEOPLE, IN THIS CASE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. GIVEN THE THE COST OF MAINTAINING THE STAFFING

PLAN. AND THAT WAS SAID TO BE FUNDED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE. THE PRIORITY WAS FUNDING OFFICERS TO HAVE OUT ON THE STREET. AND SO I HEAR YOU AND THIS BUDGET HAD TO

MAKE SOME SOME CHOICES. AND SO WE WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR CURRENT STAFFING LEVELS IS WHERE WE LANDED IN THIS AREA. -- THANK YOU. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THINGS HAVE GOTTEN BETTER,

BUT THEY HAVE NOT YET MET MY LEVEL OF EXPECTATION OF THE SERVICE THAT WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING TO OUR RESTAURATEURS, TO THE KIDS WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO PLAY SOCCER, TO THE FAMILIES ACROSS THE CITY. I'M

GOING TO QUICKLY MOVE ON. I FORGOT TO PUT MY TIMER ON. SORRY GUYS. I'LL LET THAT ROLL AN EXTRA TEN MINUTES JUST TO JUST FOR IT WANT TO COME BACK TO PARKING ENFORCEMENT? I WANT TO SAY ABOUT PARKING

ENFORCEMENT. THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND OUR SEATTLE DEPARTMENT OF CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION INSPECTORS HAVE THE HARDEST JOBS IN OUR CITY. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THEY BEAR BAD NEWS FOR

RESIDENTS THAT THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE OR THAT THEY ARE NOT, IN SOME CASES THAT A 85 DEGREE ANGLE IS NOT PERFECTLY 90, AND THEREFORE YOU CAN'T PASS INSPECTION. I NO MATTER WHAT I MEAN, THAT'S THE

LETTER OF THE LAW, RIGHT? THAT'S THE LETTER OF THE CODE, I SHOULD SAY. AND SO PARKING ENFORCEMENT WITHOUT THEM, WE'LL SEE PEOPLE OVER PARKED IN PLACES LIKE UPTOWN WHERE WE HAVE SPECIFICALLY SET THE

PARKING RATES TO ENSURE THAT THE NEIGHBORS AND THE FOLKS TRYING TO GO TO THE RESTAURANTS HAVE A PLACE TO PARK. WE'VE WE SEE THAT PARKING PAID PARKING IS AN EFFECTIVE TOOL AT INCREASING THE TURNOVER IN

THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WE SAW IT EVEN IN BALLARD AROUND BALLARD COMMONS PARK. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE A HORRIBLE IDEA TO PUT PAID PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARK, BECAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF

RESIDENTS AROUND THERE, AND IN FACT, IT'S MADE THE PARK'S SIGHTLINES MUCH BETTER. WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE PARKED THERE FOR SEVEN DAYS IN A ROW AND PARKING EVERYWHERE I CAN. LOOKING AROUND THIS ROOM, I

CAN TELL EVERYONE LOVES GETTING A PARKING TICKET. SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I SAY PARKING ENFORCEMENT HAS THE HARDEST. AND OUR SDCI INSPECTORS HAVE SOME OF THE HARDEST JOBS. I GUESS THE NEWS DOESN'T

EVEN THINK PARKING ENFORCEMENT. YOU KNOW, I SEE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. ALL THAT TO SAY IS WHEN I SAW POLICE RECRUITMENT START TO TAKE OFF, IT WASN'T BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAD CHANGED. IT WASN'T

BECAUSE CITY COUNCILMEMBERS HAD CHANGED. IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE HAD GIVEN THEM HIRING BONUSES OR LATERAL BONUSES OR MOVING BONUSES. I SAW RECRUITMENT START TO TAKE OFF ONCE WE HAD MADE CONTRACT CHANGES

TO TAKE THEM FROM THE 20th BEST PAID DEPARTMENT IN THE STATE TO THE FIRST BEST PAID DEPARTMENT IN THE STATE. THAT'S WHEN RECRUITMENT STARTED TAKING OFF. AND SO I'M CHALLENGED RIGHT NOW BY WE'VE HAD

THESE UNFILLED POSITIONS, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH BARGAINING WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS GUILD TO PAY THEM WHAT THEIR WORK IS WORTH, BECAUSE THEY DO INCREDIBLY HARD WORK. I'VE FOUND PARKING ENFORCEMENT

FOLKS EATING THEIR LUNCH IN THEIR SMALL LITTLE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRICYCLE PATROL VEHICLE. I MEAN, LIKE THESE FOLKS DO SOME OF THE HARDEST WORK AND. WE JUST PASSED THEIR CONTRACT. AND SO MY

ASSUMPTION HERE FROM PAST EXPERIENCE IS THAT WE WILL FINALLY SEE AN INCREASE IN PARKING ENFORCEMENT. APPLICANTS CAN SOMEBODY FROM THE TABLE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE REDUCING? I MEAN, AND I KNOW

DIRECTOR PANUCCI, YOU'VE BEEN YOU'VE BEEN SHARING THE LINE. IT IS IT'S NOT FISCALLY WITHIN OUR REALM. AND IF THAT'S THE ANSWER, THAT'S FINE, BUT WHY ARE WE REDUCING THESE POSITIONS JUST AS WE ARE

PASSING A CONTRACT IN ORDER TO RECRUIT THEM? -- I MEAN, YOU'LL GET SICK OF ME SAYING THE SAME THING SO I WON'T REPEAT THE SAME THING I'VE BEEN SAYING, BUT IT IS ABOUT HAVING TO MAKE CHOICES IN A

CONSTRAINED RESOURCE ENVIRONMENT, AND THERE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN EIGHT VACANT POSITIONS, SO WE ARE NOT ELIMINATING THE FUNDING FOR ALL OF THE VACANCIES. AND WE HOPE THAT THIS HELPS. BUT I WILL

ALSO KNOW AS YOU OR JUST HIGHLIGHT WHAT YOU SAID, WHICH IS THESE ARE VERY DIFFICULT JOBS. AND EVEN WITH A PAY INCREASE, THEY WILL BE DIFFICULT JOBS. SO WE WILL SEE HOW THE THE CHANGING CONTRACT

CHANGES, RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT. BUT WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE DEPARTMENT OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS, BECAUSE WE MEET AT LEAST MONTHLY, IT'S ONE OF THEIR FAVORITE MEETINGS. I'M CERTAIN IS THAT EVEN

AS THEY BRING PEOPLE IN, IT IS HARD TO KEEP THE POSITIONS FILLED. SO THERE IS HIGH TURNOVER. SO WE'LL WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THIS. BUT THIS IS REALLY A, A DECISION THAT IS BASED ON AVAILABLE RESOURCES

AND LEAVING. STILL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, 9 TO 10 VACANCIES. -- THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE AUTO RECORDS UNIT. AND BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT PARKING ENFORCEMENT AS WELL. IF I

UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATION FROM SOME TIME AGO DURING THIS COMMITTEE, IS THAT THESE ARE THE AUTO RECORDS UNIT, ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE FOLLOWING UP ON STOLEN VEHICLES? ARE THEY ALSO DOING JUNK VEHICLE

AFFIDAVITS? ARE THEY ENGAGED IN ENFORCING OUR JUNK VEHICLE CODE IN ANY SENSE OR FORM? -- I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE SPECIFICITY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION ON THE FLY. -- EITHER. THAT WAS A POSITION THAT I

DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD UNTIL THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE BUDGET. -- NO PROBLEM. DON'T MIND ME. I'VE JUST GOTTEN INTO THE WEEDS OF OUR JUNK VEHICLE CODE AND ALL OF THE WAYS THAT WE HAVE A SMALL NUMBER OF

INDIVIDUALS HOARDING VEHICLES ON OUR CITY STREETS. YOU'LL SEE THEM WITH PALLETS, THE FLATBEDS WITH THE THREE FLAT TIRES AND THE AND RV'S FULL OF PALLETS. I MEAN THIS WHEN I'M GETTING TO THIS WORK OF

SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE HOARDING THEIR PERSONAL BELONGINGS ON OUR STREETS, THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND SO WHAT I'M WORRIED TO. SO I'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS UNIT AND SPECIFICALLY HOW

THEY FORMED. BUT MY WORRY HERE IS THAT WE ARE REDUCING PARKING ENFORCEMENT POSITIONS. AND MY WORRY IS THAT WE ARE REDUCING THIS RECORDS UNIT THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY UNDERCUT THE WORK THAT WE ARE

ENDEAVORING TO DO TO TAKE PRIVATE PROPERTY. THAT IS INAPPROPRIATELY AND ILLEGALLY STORED ON PUBLIC PROPERTY OFF OF OUR STREETS -- THANK YOU. WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. -- LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING BACK

TO YOU. MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TOUCHED ON ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I WANT TO COME BACK TO WHAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT WAS SAYING. SHE WAS RUNNING DOWN THE NUMBERS. SHE WAS

RUNNING THROUGH THE STORIES AND I WANT TO BRING US BACK TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WE'RE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF THE SEATTLE OF THE CITY OF SEATTLE. IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SEVEN

DISTRICTS AND THE SEVEN HILLS OF OUR CITY. IT SOMETIMES FEELS LIKE WE ARE JUST FOCUSED BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE BORDERS OF OUR CITY COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA AND I ATTENDED A ASSOCIATION OF WASHINGTON CITIES

BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING YESTERDAY. I SHOWED UP VERY LATE, BUT I STILL SHOWED UP AND I WAS REMINDED THAT THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN LEAVENWORTH AND WENATCHEE, THE NEWS CAMERAS THAT ARE HERE TODAY, ARE

THEIR LOCAL NEWS AS WELL. OUT OF THE BLUE, I GOT A NOTE FROM SOMEBODY THAT I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH THAT LIVES IN NORTHERN SNOHOMISH COUNTY. SO CLOSER TO SKAGIT THAN TO THAN TO KING, WHO SHARED WITH

ME THAT THEIR KID, ONE OF THEIR KID'S FRIENDS, WAS SHOT AND KILLED HERE IN THE CITY OF SEATTLE. AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT HAD ON THEIR LIFE. AND SO I JUST SHARE WITH THE COMMITTEE TABLE,

WITH THE FOLKS IN CHAMBERS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WHAT WE DO HERE IN THE CITY OF SEATTLE IS NOT JUST ABOUT US. IT HAS REGIONAL AND STATEWIDE IMPACTS. AND IT'S OUR JOB TO PROTECT OUR CITY, PROTECT

OUR STATE, PROTECT THE PEOPLE HERE, BECAUSE THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE IN THESE CHAMBERS RIPPLE MUCH FARTHER THAN OUR CITY BOUNDARIES. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMITTEE TABLE? AND THEN I'LL TURN IT

OVER TO. I WAS ABOUT TO CALL YOU CAPTAIN COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE FOR FINAL REMARKS, BUT ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE TABLE SEEING NONE, COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE FLOOR IS YOURS. TAKE US HOME. -- THANK YOU. CHAIR.

JUST I JUST HAVE TO THANK YOU BECAUSE I DIDN'T SPEAK TO THIS. THE AUTOMATIC TRAFFIC CAMERAS COLLEAGUES, YOU SHOULD EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW THAT I GOT INTRODUCED TO CITY BUDGETING FROM THEN CENTRAL

STAFF. DEPUTY ALY PENNUCCI AND AND FOR THE RECORD, I DEEPLY RESPECT HER IN TERMS OF WHAT SHE'S DOING ON THE BUDGET. OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT IN SYNC WITH THE MAYOR'S HARD CHOICES AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC

SAFETY, BUT I DID LEARN AT THE FEET OF ALY PENNUCCI AS IT RELATES TO BUDGET AND ALSO THE STAKEHOLDER PIECE. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING AUTOMATIC TRAFFIC CAMERAS UP, BECAUSE I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK TO

IT. BUT HERE'S THE THING, AND THIS IS TYPICAL IN CITY GOVERNMENT, THE SPLASH IS, YOU KNOW, OH, WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL THESE CAMERAS, BUT YOU HAVE TO WORK THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. AND SO I ENGAGE IN THE

ENTIRETY OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEM. I HAVE NINE ENTITIES THAT REPORT TO MY COMMITTEE. I SPENT THE LAST TWO YEARS CLEANING UP OEMS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, BUDGET ISSUES AND GETTING THEM RIGHT SHIP

SHAPE, IF YOU WILL, TO USE THE PARLANCE OF THE DAY. AND BUT HERE WE GO WITH AUTOMATIC TRAFFIC CAMERAS. THIS IS ALL GREAT, BUT IF THE SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT IS NOT SET, THEN THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND SO,

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A 1.2 MILLION GENERAL FUND OVER TO THIS ATC. YOU KNOW, FOR CURRENT OPERATIONS. BUT I THINK IN THOSE EARLY LESSONS THAT I GOT ON BUDGET, WE WOULD CALL THAT A GIMMICK. AND THERE'S A

CHALLENGE WITH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS VOLATILE. THIS IS KIND OF LIKE WITH, YOU KNOW, PERMITS AT SDCI BECAUSE USUALLY YOU HAVE A BIG SURGE OF FUNDS COMING IN FROM THESE CAMERAS, AND THEN PEOPLE ADJUST

AND THEN THERE'S LESS. AND THIS COULD CREATE PROBLEMS FOR THE SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT. SO THIS IS A LESSON THAT WE HAVE ISSUES LIKE THIS. WE HAVE TO WORK IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO THANK YOU FOR

BRINGING THAT UP. ALSO, THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THE ROLE OF THE LABOR AGREEMENTS IN TERMS OF RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. ALTHOUGH I WILL START AND I'LL ALWAYS SAY THIS, THE NUMBER ONE THING IS

LEADERSHIP. AND I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL, FROM DAY ONE, AT LEAST FOR THOSE I STARTED WORKING WITH ON JANUARY 1st, 2024, SHOWED LEADERSHIP AND ENGAGING WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS ACROSS ALL PRECINCTS.

THE ROLL CALLS AND ALL THE ABOVE. AND THAT REALLY STARTED TO SET THE STAGE OF WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE LABOR AGREEMENTS HAVE A HUGE PIECE IN. OKAY, JUST TO GO, I JUST QUICKLY I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M

CENTERED. I THINK WE'RE CENTERED BOTH ON OUR NEIGHBORS IN CRISIS, BUT ALSO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN CRISIS. AND FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN CRISIS, WE DO NEED MORE OFFICERS. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I

KEEP SPEAKING ABOUT IS THAT WE NEED TO REPLENISH THIS KIND OF POPPED UP HERE AND THERE. OUR SPECIALTY UNITS, THE GUN VIOLENCE REDUCTION UNIT, THE GANG UNIT, COMMUNITY POLICE OFFICERS. I USED TO WORK

WITH THEM ALL THE TIME BACK IN MY COMMUNITY DAYS, AND THEY MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. DETECTIVES, WE HAVE TO FILL ALL THESE THESE UP. AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SO IMPORTANT. AND BUT I, AND I THINK ALL OF

US AGREE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS ONE TYPE OF APPROACH, THE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THIS COUNCIL AND IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS

COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH AS IT RELATES TO GUN VIOLENCE. WE'VE BEEN DOING IT AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC DRUG USE AND POSSESSION. I WAS JUST ON THE PHONE THIS MORNING WITH LISA DUGARD FROM PDA, YOU KNOW,

WORKING THOSE ISSUES, WORKING THE ISSUES WITH KCJ HEALTH, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE KINDS OF PIECES. ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE. I THINK CHIEF BARDEN WILL SPEAK TO THAT AND ALL THE ISSUES RELATED TO THAT. WE'VE

BEEN WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT ADDRESSING THE SCENE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC HEALTH, HOUSING AND HUMAN SERVICES. NOW, I SEE IN THE BRIEFINGS BOTH SIDES ARE

BECOMING PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS FINE UNLESS WE USE IT AS A MEANS TO CUT TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY OR NOT RESOURCE PROPERLY. TRADITIONAL PARTS OF PUBLIC SAFETY. COLLEAGUES, JUST TO THE OTHER CITY'S

POINT, BOSTON COMES UP SIMILAR SIZE. WE SHARE I90, BUT I SHOULD ADD EAST COAST WEST COAST POLICING IS DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF STAFFING AND SO FORTH. AND LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES PORTLAND, SAN FRANCISCO,

DENVER, AND SOMETIMES DEPENDING ON THE TOPIC, VANCOUVER, BC IS LIKE OUR KIND OF NATURAL ONES WHEN IT COMES TO LABOR RELATIONS. IT'S THE WEST COAST SEVEN AS WE TALK ABOUT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE

NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE LOCALLY. AND, YOU KNOW, FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, THIS AGREEMENT HURTS FROM BUDGETING. JUST LIKE WHEN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DOES DIFFERENT THINGS THAT IMPACT

INFLATION, THAT HURTS FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE. THIS AGREEMENT AND THE FEMA AGREEMENT HURT. IT'S NEEDED. I SUPPORT IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THESE NUMBERS. SO THESE NUMBERS ARE USED DIFFERENT

WAYS. CLEARLY THE LABOR AGREEMENTS ARE ARE DRIVING THOSE. AND I SAY THAT JUST IN A MATTER OF FACT WAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE NOT SET UP FOR SUCCESS IN THOSE AGREEMENTS BECAUSE OF THE BAD DECISIONS

AND THE LEGACY OF DECISIONS MADE A HALF DECADE AGO. PLUS IN THIS CHAMBER, NOT INCLUDING MY COUNCIL PRESIDENT EMERITUS, OF COURSE. AND, AND I DO SUPPORT MY COLLEAGUE, MY CHAIR HERE, TOO, BUT THEY HAD

IMPACTS. AND WE'RE LIVING WITH THOSE IMPACTS TODAY. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE AT AN INFLECTION POINT RIGHT HERE AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC SAFETY. AND BUDGET IS GROUND ZERO IN THIS. AND WE NEED TO

BE LOOKING AT THIS VERY AND DEFTLY. SO THANK YOU, COLLEAGUE CHIEF CHAIR STRAUSS, THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES. BUT CHIEF SALES REALLY APPRECIATE. GREAT. YES. NO ANSWER TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT. LOVE IT. MR.

EATON, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER FOR A FEW YEARS. AGAIN, I LEARNED AT THE FEET OF NOW DIRECTOR PANUCCI, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR THIS. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY MR. WOODSON, WHO'S TAKEN ON THE REINS

HERE AT CENTRAL STAFF COLLEAGUES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT ON PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES -- THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE. I'M GOING TO SHARE SOME FACTS ABOUT BOSTON AND SEATTLE AND AN

OPINION. FACTS. THE HAWKS ARE BETTER THAN THE PATS SHOWN AT A COUPLE TIMES. IN MY OPINION, THAT CRAFT GUY'S OUT OF HIS MIND THOUGH. LET'S KEEP WINNING. LET'S KEEP WINNING. LET'S GO HAWKS WITH THAT.

THAT DOES COME TO THE END OF THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT PRESENTATION. DURING OUR BUDGET PROCESS. HERE IT IS BEEN NEARLY THREE. IT'S BEEN 2.5 HOURS. THIS IS LONGER THAN A TYPICAL COMMITTEE MEETING.

I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME AND ATTENTION EVERYONE'S PAID HERE. COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE, I WANT TO CHECK WITH YOU. WOULD YOU PREFER A 1250 START? A 1:01 P.M. START? DOES IT MATTER? -- GIVE ME FIRST.

-- FANTASTIC WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AT 1 P.M. BECAUSE IT'S NOON RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE LUNCH. WE'RE GOING TO. AND THANK YOU TO THE ENTIRE CARE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS BEEN HERE

SINCE 9:30 A.M. WATCHING AND WAITING IN THE BACKGROUND, READY TO GO RIGHT ON TIME. I APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. NOW YOU HAVE THE CONTEXT FOR THE NEXT PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND SO WE WILL START BACK

UP AT AT 1 P.M. AND THEN WE'LL TAKE MAYBE A TEN MINUTE BREAK BETWEEN CARE AND SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN WE'LL BE DONE FOR THE DAY. I HAVE BEEN TIMING MYSELF. I'M UP TO 20 MINUTES TODAY. THANK

YOU COLLEAGUES, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, THE COMMITTEE WILL BE ADJOURNED UNTIL 1 P.M.. HEARING NO OBJECTION, WE ARE ON

[MUSIC] -- THANK YOU AND WELCOME BACK TO THE SELECT BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING. THE SEPTEMBER 25th SELECT BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING WILL COME BACK TO ORDER. IT IS 1:01 P.M.. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL

THE ROLL -- COUNCILMEMBER RINCK PRESENT COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. COUNCILMEMBER SAKA. HERE. FOSTER HERE. COUNCILMEMBER COUNCIL PRESIDENT HOLLINGSWORTH HERE. COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE

COUNCILMEMBER LIN HERE AND CHAIR STRAUSS HERE SIX PRESENT. -- THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE IS EXCUSED FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE AFTERNOON, AND THE REMAINING COUNCILMEMBERS ARE EXCUSED UNTIL THEY

ARRIVE. VICE CHAIR RIVERA IS NOW PRESENT. I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK COUNCIL PRESIDENT, HOLLINGSWORTH AND COUNCILMEMBER RINCK FOR BEING EARLY, WHICH IS ON TIME AND FOR COUNCILMEMBER LIN AND

FOSTER FOR BEING ON TIME, WHICH IS BOB'S. BOB'S NOT HERE, SO I WON'T SAY THE WHOLE THING. SO WITH THAT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A MARATHON OF A DAY. WE HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS LEFT TO GO. CLERK I THINK I

OMITTED READING THE FIRST ITEM INTO THE RECORD. SO WE'RE GOING TO READ THE FIRST AND SECOND ITEMS INTO THE RECORD. WE DID WELL, FAIR ENOUGH. THEN WE'RE GOING TO READ THE SECOND ITEM INTO THE RECORD.

WE'RE GOING TO GO DIRECTLY OVER TO THE COMMITTEE TABLE FOR THE PRESENTATION. AND THEN WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS. AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT EMERITUS JUAREZ IS PRESENT AS WELL -- AGENDA ITEM TWO. COMMUNITY

ASSISTED RESPONSE AND ENGAGEMENT FOR BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION. -- CHIEF BARDEN COMMITTEE TABLE. PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY. -- ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS. I'M GOING TO GO QUICKLY THROUGH THIS AND

RESERVE A LOT OF TIME FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. I'M HERE WITH OUR CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, TOMMY ROWLAND AND ALY PENNUCCI. AGAIN NEXT AS YOU KNOW, KERR WAS ESTABLISHED AS A THIRD CO-EQUAL

PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT IN 2023. SINCE THAT TIME, COUNCIL HAS SUPPORTED US IN EXPANDING AND STABILIZING SEATTLE 911 ESTABLISHING AND EXPANDING CITYWIDE. THE CARE COMMUNITY CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM, AND

MOST RECENTLY, ASSUMING THE LEAD, THE COLEAD IN THE. WE DELIVER CARE CONTRACTS. OUR MISSION IS TO ANSWER THE CALL, PROVIDING THE BEST FIRST RESPONSE TO EVERY NEIGHBOR. NEXT. THIS PROPOSED BUDGET

REFLECTS OUR CURRENT BUDGET REALITY AND URGENT PUBLIC SAFETY PRIORITIES. IT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT 911 CENTERS ARE EXPERIENCING INDUSTRYWIDE STAFFING SHORTAGES, AND OUR COMMITMENT TO GROWING THE CARE

RESPONDER TEAM PRUDENTLY AND RESPONSIBLY CARES ASSUMPTION OF COMMUNITY VIOLENCE INTERVENTION WORK IS CRUCIAL AND IMPERATIVE. I APPLAUD MAYOR WILSON FOR MAKING THIS STRUCTURAL AND STRATEGIC CHANGE AND

STRONGLY ENCOURAGE COUNCIL SUPPORT, AND I ALSO SUPPORT THE SUSTAINED COLEAD INVESTMENT, WHICH HAS DEMONSTRATED SIGNIFICANT EFFECTIVENESS IN HOMELESS RESPONSE AND EMERGENCY STABILIZATION WE HAVE

CONTINUED TO DEVELOP NEW RECRUITING, RETENTION AND TRAINING PROCESSES AND STRATEGIES FOR SEATTLE 911. IT IS REASONABLE TO ASSUME AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE WILL MAINTAIN AT LEAST EIGHT POSITION VACANCIES

DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS BECAUSE OF THE 911 INDUSTRY REALITY AND THE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE OF ATTRACTING AND RETAINING STAFF WHO ARE ABLE TO WORK ALL DIFFERENT SHIFTS ARE WILLING TO WORK MANDATORY

OVERTIME AND ARE CAPABLE OF THE RESILIENCE TO DWELL ON THE SPACE OF HUMAN SUFFERING. A LOT OF ANGER AND EMERGENCIES AROUND THE CLOCK. WE ARE PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN EIGHT DISPATCHER ONE VACANCIES.

THAT'S THE ENTRY LEVEL POSITION IN 911. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THOSE VACANCIES, SO THERE WILL BE NO ADVERSE IMPACT TO CALL HANDLING STANDARDS AND CAPACITY. NEXT. I DO WANT TO PAUSE TO COMMEND THIS COUNCIL

FOR YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT OF SEATTLE NINE ONE. ONE IS A CRITICAL PUBLIC SAFETY PRIORITY. OUR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT HAS RESULTED IN A 60% REDUCTION IN NON-EMERGENCY HOLD TIMES AND A DRAMATIC REDUCTION

IN OVERTIME STAFFING HOURS, SAVING THE CITY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS LAST YEAR. OVER THE YEAR PRIOR, NEXT. WHILE IT IS NOT IDEAL TO SLOW THE EXPANSION OF CARE RESPONDERS, THERE ARE SEVERAL

STRATEGIC AND OPERATIONAL ADVANTAGES TO GROWING INCREMENTALLY. WE LAUNCHED THE PILOT NEARLY THREE YEARS AGO, AND WE EXPANDED QUICKLY. THE TEAM NEEDS TIME TO PRIORITIZE INCREASING THEIR EFFECTIVENESS

AND UTILITY RESOURCE MAPPING TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHO DOES WHAT AND WHO DOES IT BEST IN A RAPIDLY CHANGING ENVIRONMENT, DEVELOPING BETTER INTEGRATION WITH POLICE, WITH FIRE RESPONDERS, OUTREACH

WORKERS AND AMBASSADORS. I PREFER TO NOT ADD MORE RESPONDERS UNTIL WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THEY ARE AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO REFINE THE WAY THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH OTHER PARTS OF THE

SYSTEM AND HOW WE PROACTIVELY CASE CONFERENCE TO ENSURE MORE NEIGHBORS COME INTO SERVICES THAT PROVIDE LONG TERM SOLUTIONS IN THEIR LIVES. THE VISION HAS ALWAYS BEEN MUCH MORE THAN A SIMPLE TRIAGE AND

THEN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CALL MUCH OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR FOR ME HAS BEEN SPENT BETTER INTEGRATING THE NINE ONE, ONE AND 988 SYSTEMS WITH SUPPORT FROM UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON CRISIS CONNECTIONS, FIRE

DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT EXPERTS AND KING COUNTY LEADERS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO DIVERT CALLS INTO THE RIGHT SYSTEM AND ALSO TO SEND THE RIGHT RESPONDER IN A WAY THAT'S FRICTIONLESS TO THE CALLER. OUR

COLLECTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE JUST PUBLISHED LAST WEEK. I MENTIONED THIS BECAUSE CARE SHOULD PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN IMPROVING NOT JUST COORDINATION AND PROCESS AND PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT WE SHOULD

BE DRIVING FISCAL EFFICIENCY, LESS DUPLICATION, MORE COORDINATION, PERSON CENTERED DESIGN INSTEAD OF PROCESS CENTRIC DESIGN. NEXT I AM REALLY PLEASED WITH THE CARE RESPONDER GROWTH AND EXPANSION THIS

YEAR. WHEN I LAST REPORTED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, WE WERE HOVERING AROUND 30% UTILITY, MEANING THE TEAM WAS NOT BEING USED FULLY AND FOR MAXIMUM IMPACT, DUE IN PART TO NEW SUPPORT IN THE

MAYOR'S OFFICE. RENEWED SUPPORT IN THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CONTINUED SUPPORT OF THE SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE CARE RESPONDERS ARE NOW CONSISTENTLY WORKING AT ABOUT 80% CAPACITY. WE

KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE AT 100% CAPACITY THIS YEAR AS WE STRENGTHEN OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH KING COUNTY JAIL, WITH HARBORVIEW, WITH LOCAL NONPROFITS, AND THROUGH NEW COORDINATED EMPHASIS PATROLS WITH OUR

PRECINCTS. I DO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THE 17000 CALLS THAT WE'VE BEEN TO REPRESENT, ABOUT 2500 ZERO HOURS OF OFFICER TIME THAT HAS BEEN ALLEVIATED EVERY TIME WE FREE UP LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO THE

WORK, THAT ONLY THEY CAN DO IS SIGNIFICANT. GETTING OFFICERS TO PRIORITY ONE CALLS AND UNDER SEVEN MINUTES CONTINUES TO BE THE TOP PRIORITY. NEXT HAS BEEN STUDYING GUN VIOLENCE REDUCTION AND

INTERVENTION STRATEGIES SINCE 2023. ALWAYS CONTEMPLATING AND EXPECTING THAT THAT BODY OF WORK WOULD MOVE OVER TO US BECAUSE IT WAS LEGISLATED BY THE COUNCIL. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BETTER COORDINATE

THE LIFE WORK OF COMMUNITY PROVIDERS TO CENTER COMMUNITY RECOMMENDATIONS IN NEW WAYS TO ELEVATE THE CRUCIAL PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN COMMUNITY CASE MANAGERS AND VIOLENCE INTERRUPTERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WE

HELP YOUNG PEOPLE MIXED UP IN CYCLES OF VIOLENCE TO REDIRECT THEIR LIVES. AND WE DO KNOW WHAT WORKS. I COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA I REALLY WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU AND AFFIRM THE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD IN THE

PAST. AND ALSO THIS MORNING, FOCUSED DETERRENCE WAS FIRST EXPLAINED TO ME TECHNICALLY BY DR. ATHERLEY WHEN I FIRST STARTED, AND OTHER PEOPLE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT YEAR, 2023 IN SPD, I WAS THERE

KIND OF ON THE FRONT LINES, CHEERING AS THE COMMUNITY VIOLENCE TASK FORCE WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED AND STARTED TO HAVE REALLY MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON THE ISSUE OF YOUTH GUN VIOLENCE. A WEEKLY GUN CALL WAS

ESTABLISHED WITH MAJOR PARTNERS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. AND I WAS AGAIN ON THAT CALL YESTERDAY FOR THE FIRST TIME. AND SO THAT THOSE ARE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE FOCUS

DETERRENCE MODEL THAT STARTED TO BE INVESTED IN, BUT IT MEANS SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO YOUR POINT AND HAS NOT BEEN FULLY IMPLEMENTED, AND IT HAS NEVER BEEN CONNECTED TO THE COMMUNITY SIDE OF THE WORK,

WHICH IS VERY IMPERATIVE. I WANT TO PAUSE AND ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK DIRECTOR TANYA KIM AND HSD AND MAGGIE ERICA PABLO FOR THEIR EXCEPTIONAL LEADERSHIP, THEIR HARD WORK IN THIS SPACE. HSD HAS ADVOCATED

THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC SAFETY PRIORITY AND FOCAL POINT, AND HAVE BEEN REALLY SUPPORTIVE AS WE'VE BEEN THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD MOVE THESE CONTRACTS OVER THE NEW BUDGET

POSITIONS PROPOSED WILL BE FULLY FOCUSED ON THE OBJECTIVE OF GUN VIOLENCE REDUCTION, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WE ARE ALSO ADDING OUR FIRST DATA SCIENTIST TO KAREN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. THAT'S

PART OF OUR EXISTING BUDGET, AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO, AGAIN, IDENTIFY WHAT IMPACT WE WANT TO SEE AND THEN ESTABLISH METRICS AND REALLY TRANSPARENTLY TRACK OUR PROGRESS AGAINST

THOSE METRICS. TO ME, THIS PART OF THE CARE LEGISLATION IN 2023 WAS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT. CONCEPTUALLY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COORDINATING CONVENING ENTITY, SYNTHESIZING INFORMATION, AND THEN ACTIVELY

REPORTING WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT. ACCOUNTABILITY AND SUPPORT ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN. WE KNOW THAT THE RIGHT DETERRENCE AND THE RIGHT INCENTIVES ARE REQUIRED TO REPATTERN BEHAVIOR,

ESPECIALLY IN YOUNG LIVES. AND THESE CONCEPTS AND INVESTMENTS CANNOT BE ANTAGONISTIC TOWARD ONE ANOTHER. WE MUST WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE WE'RE PROVIDING THE RIGHT RESPONSE AT THE RIGHT TIME AND THE

RIGHT REFERRALS TO THE RIGHT RESOURCES. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. OUR KIDS DESERVE OUR VERY BEST. THEY DESERVE TO BE SAFE. I APPLAUD YOU ALL FOR YOUR ADVOCACY IN THIS SPACE AND FOR

BEING VERY PRACTICAL ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS IN PUBLIC SAFETY. WE SHOULD BE DOING WHAT WORKS NEXT. I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A FAN OF COLEAD FROM THE BEGINNING. IT'S IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE HOUSING

OPTIONS THAT FIRST STABILIZE AND ASSESS NEEDS AND THEN HELP NEIGHBORS MOVE INTO INDEPENDENCE AND AUTONOMY. I DO THINK OF HOMELESS RESPONSE AS A CRUCIAL ASPECT OF EMERGENCY RESPONSE, AND SO I

APPRECIATE THE SUSTAINED FUNDING FOR COLEAD AND THE CONTEXT OF A VERY DIFFICULT BUDGET SEASON. NEXT AND THEN FINALLY, JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS INCREASE HAPPENED AT THE END OF THE HERALD

ADMINISTRATION. THE PUBLIC HAD LOBBIED FOR THE CITY TO ADD A COST OF LIVING INFLATION, INFLATION FOR HUMAN SERVICES CONTRACTS. BACK IN 2019. THREE OF THOSE CONTRACTS HAVE MOVED OVER TO US FROM HSD.

AND SO WE'RE INCLUDING THE 3.5% INFLATION ADJUSTMENT TO OUR BUDGET. AND THAT IS THE END OF MY REMARKS. I'M HAPPY TO ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION OR ANSWER QUESTIONS. -- THANK YOU. CHIEF BARDEN DIRECTOR

PENNUCCI DIRECTOR WHITSON, ANYTHING MORE TO ADD HERE COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE IS EXCUSED FOR PRE PREDETERMINED EXCUSAL FOR THIS AFTERNOON. I'LL JUST SAY, LOOKING AT THE SEVEN YEAR LOOK BACK THAT WE USE TO

HAVE A MORE HOLISTIC UNDERSTANDING OF OUR BUDGET. WHAT I APPRECIATE ABOUT THE CARE DEPARTMENT'S SECTION IN THE SEVEN YEAR LOOK BACK IS IT IS DIFFERENT THAN EVERYONE ELSE, BECAUSE THE FIRST YEAR THAT

WE COULD LOOK AT IT WAS 2021. YEAH. SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN ALL OTHER DEPARTMENTS HELD IN THAT SEVEN YEAR LOOK BACK, COLLEAGUES FORGOT TO START MY TIMER COLLEAGUES. I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

I'VE GOT SOME AT THE END, AS I USUALLY DO, AND I SEE COUNCIL VICE CHAIR RIVERA HAS HER HAND UP. TAKE IT AWAY. -- THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. AND I WANT TO SAY, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SAY

IT EARLIER, I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE TO HAVE INTERIM CHIEF SAYLES HERE AND REALLY APPRECIATE HIS PARTNERSHIP AND HIS TEAM'S PARTNERSHIP SINCE HE'S BEEN HERE. I MEAN, HE'S HE'S BEEN A REALLY GREAT

PARTNER. SO I DIDN'T SAY THAT. AND I DIDN'T WANT TO LEFT THAT UNSAID. AGAIN. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. CHIEF BARDEN. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT 911 CALLS IN THE QUALITY OF THE CALLS AND HOW THEY GET

DISPATCHED. I HAD A COUPLE INCIDENTS IN THE DISTRICT ABOUT CONSTITUENTS. I MEAN, ONE IN PARTICULAR WAS A DUI AND IT DIDN'T IN WALLINGFORD AND HIT SEVERAL CARS. THEY DIDN'T GET POLICE RESPONSE FOR MANY

HOURS. AND IT REALLY HAD TO DO WITH THE DISPATCHERS AND NOT POLICE. SO I WANT TO SAY, BECAUSE CONSTITUENTS DON'T KNOW THE BEHIND THE SCENES AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO SPD. BUT IF, IF IF SPD DOESN'T KNOW

ABOUT IT, THEY CAN'T RESPOND. SO CAN YOU ADDRESS THE TRAINING? SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME TRAINING ISSUES FOR 911 CALL TAKERS. AND THEN ALSO I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF THE REDUCTIONS TO THE

CALL TAKERS, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE. AND AS YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR I SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE DOES NOT GET ANSWERED WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF

TIME. AND I HEAR A LOT FROM CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE NOT TRYING TO CALL 911 AND TIE UP THE 911 CALL LINE, BUT THEN THEY CAN'T GET THROUGH TO ACTUALLY REPORT. AND WE'RE TELLING FOLKS TO REPORT BECAUSE WE

DON'T HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION ON CRIME. IF FOLKS AREN'T REPORTING. -- YEAH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING. FIRST, ON THE POINT OF STUDYING WHAT WENT WRONG. I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN REACH OUT

TO ME DIRECTLY CARE INFO LINE ANYTIME YOU WONDER ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, WHY A NON I AGAIN, IT'S USUALLY HOW I END MOST DAYS IS IN STUDYING THOSE CALLS. THE DEPUTY CHIEF JOSEPH IS VERY RESPONSIVE ALWAYS

AND IT'S INTERESTING SOMETIMES IT IS ABSOLUTELY US. SOMETIMES MORE INFORMATION WAS BECAME UNDERSTOOD AND THE CALL WAS NOT UPDATED. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRIORITY TWO, BUT IT WAS STILL PRIORITY THREE.

SOMETIMES IT IS PURELY ABOUT STAFFING. IT'S ABOUT STAFFING IN THE FIELD. WE'VE GOT SUDDENLY 12 PRIORITY ONE CALLS COME IN. SOMETIMES THE CALLER DIDN'T COMMUNICATE WHAT THEY THOUGHT. THEY COMMUNICATED

IN A WAY THAT WE UNDERSTOOD IT. SO ALL DIFFERENT THINGS GO WRONG. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD TO ME IS THAT PEOPLE ASK THAT THEY REPORT IT, THAT MY PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS NON-DEFENSIVE ABOUT THAT

WE WANT TO BE BETTER. AND ANYTIME WE CAN CIRCLE BACK AND OWN OUR PART IN IT, WHAT WE GOT WRONG. THERE WAS A CALL THAT HELD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN I LOOKED 16 HOURS, 16 HOURS. SOMEBODY WAS WAITING

FOR A RESPONSE AND THEY DESERVED A RESPONSE. IT WAS PRIORITY THREE, BUT IT STILL ANY 911 CALL, YOU WOULD WANT A RESPONSE IN 30 OR 40 MINUTES. EVEN PRIORITY THREE. SO THAT'S THE SHORT STORY ON MY

WATCH. TRAINING HAS BEEN A TOP PRIORITY. THERE REALLY WAS NOT ANY CONTINUOUS LEARNING IMPROVEMENT. AND LEARNING SCIENCE IS MY ACADEMIC FIELD. I CARE A LOT ABOUT IT. WE HAVE REALLY OVERHAULED THE CALL

TAKING ACADEMY. WE'VE GOT OUR FIRST SUPERVISOR ACADEMY, OUR FIRST HANDBOOKS, OUR FIRST POLICY MANUALS SINCE CARE BECAME INDEPENDENT. AND SO IT IS A POINT OF PRIDE FOR ME THAT IT'S IMPROVING, BUT WE

STILL NEED TO BASICALLY BUILD OUT THE TECHNOLOGY THAT ANALYZES EVERY SINGLE CALL YOU WOULD WANT. WE CALL IT CUEING. YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW ANYTIME THERE'S CONSISTENTLY A DEVIATION, EVEN IN THE CALL

TAKERS TONE, RIGHT? THERE'S NO WAY REALLY FOR ME TO KNOW THAT UNTIL A COMPLAINT COMES IN. AND THEN WE GO AND PULL THE FOOTAGE AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED. SO I JUST WANT TO VALIDATE THAT. AND THE MAIN

PRESSURE STILL IS POLICE STAFFING. I MEAN, THAT IS GENERALLY PROBABLY 80% OF THE TIME. WHAT HAPPENED WAS I JUST DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES IN THE FIELD. AND YOU DESERVED BETTER. AND WE'RE NOT

PREPARED TO PROVIDE BETTER ON THE NON-EMERGENCY HOLD TIMES. WE'RE ABOUT THREE MINUTES, AND THAT'S PRETTY REASONABLE. IT'S INTERESTING. THERE'S NO NATIONAL STANDARD FOR NON-EMERGENCY, BUT THAT IS SUCH

A PRECIPITOUS DROP FROM WHEN I ARRIVED. WHEN I ARRIVED ON THE WEBSITE, IT WAS LIKE, MAYBE WE WON'T ANSWER AT ALL. THERE WAS THIS DISCLAIMER. AND SO I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE THREE MINUTES. IDEALLY,

THERE WOULD BE NO LAG AT ALL, BUT A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE'VE DEVELOPED OUT THE PHONE TREE. WE'VE GOT BETTER ONLINE REPORTING. AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I TALK ABOUT NINE, EIGHT, EIGHT. SOME OF THOSE CALLS

IMMEDIATELY SHOULD GO EITHER TO NINE, EIGHT, 8 OR 2 ONE ONE. IF IT'S JUST A RESOURCE THAT'S NEEDED, I'M GOING TO BE EVICTED NEXT MONTH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. THAT'S A 211 CALL. BUT IF MY

DISPATCHERS DON'T KNOW THAT AND DON'T HAVE PROTOCOLS TO QUICKLY REDIRECT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT USING THE RESOURCE. WAS THERE ANOTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION THAT AYE. -- SKIPPED, WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE TO

THE, YOU KNOW, YEAH. THESE REDUCTIONS. -- YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. AND WE REALLY LOOKED AT THAT. WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD BASICALLY WE PROMOTE INTERNALLY. SO D1DT2D3 SUPERVISOR. AND SO GENERALLY THERE ARE

VACANCIES AT THE BOTTOM. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO POLICE STAFFING WHERE WE HAVE A TON OF APPLICANTS AND NOT AS MANY QUALIFIED TO GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE ACADEMY. AND THEN EVEN ONCE THEY DO, THERE'S,

IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE FTO PRESSURE. WE BASICALLY THE REAL TRAINING STARTS ON THE FLOOR. AND SO WE CAN ONLY HIRE 6 TO 8 AT A TIME. SO I DO THINK IT, I ALWAYS WANT FULL STAFFING. I DON'T WANT MANDATORY

OVERTIME, BUT IT'S REASONABLE FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE TO ASSUME THERE WILL BE EIGHT VACANCIES. DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WORSE THAN IT IS TODAY

WITH EIGHT VACANCIES, RIGHT? SO -- THANK YOU FOR THAT RESPONSE. I WILL SAY, GOING BACK TO THE THE PRIORITY CALLS AND TRAINING AND THE NEED FOR TRAINING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS WAS A DUI. AND THE

PERSON GOT AWAY, THEY LEFT. AND SO AND FIRE RESPONDED, BUT SPD DIDN'T. AND SO AGAIN, CONSTITUENTS THOUGHT SPD WAS NOT DOING THEIR WORK WHEN REALLY THEY NEVER GOT DISPATCHED. THE PRIORITIZATION WAS NOT

ACCURATE FOR THE DISPATCHER. THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT TRAINING. SO I WANTED TO SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE I KNOW CONSTITUENTS ARE LISTENING TO THESE PROCEEDINGS. -- PLEASE SEND IT TO ME IF YOU

HAVE THAT ONE. THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SEPARATE FIRE ALARM CENTER, SEPARATE DISPATCH CENTER. SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE THE

BREAKDOWN WAS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM MYSELF. -- WE DID. WE ALWAYS DO REACH OUT TO YOUR STAFF. AND WE'VE GOTTEN RESPONSES BACK, WHICH IS WHY I KNOW THERE'S A TRAINING ISSUE AND IT WAS A

PRIORITIZATION ISSUE. I'M JUST BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION IN THE IN TERMS OF THESE REDUCTIONS AND WHAT IMPACTS REDUCTIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE ON YOUR ABILITY TO BOTH RESPOND TIMELY AND TO MAKE SURE

THINGS ARE GETTING DISPATCHED TIMELY AS WELL. -- I, IF I CAN CLARIFY, THE MAIN IMPACT WILL JUST BE FINANCIAL. WE STAFF THE WAY THAT WE MUST STAFF. WE'RE THE ONLY DEPARTMENT WITH MANDATORY OVERTIME. WE

DO DYNAMIC STAFFING, MEANING WE KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EVENT, A LIKELY SURGE IN CALLS. WE HAVE TO BE STAFFED. SO WHEN YOU HAVE FEWER DISPATCHERS THAN YOU ARE USING MORE VOLUNTARY OVERTIME,

FIRST, IDEALLY, AND THEN MANDATORY OVERTIME, I'M NOT GOING TO STAFF LESS. THAT IS NOT AN OPTION. -- SO IS IT MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO OT THAN TO RECRUIT FOR THOSE EIGHT. AND THEN WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO

DO? BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO RECRUIT FOR THE POSITIONS AND TRAIN THEM UP, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. OTHERWISE, THEN YOU'RE RELYING OVERTIME IS NOT

IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE, CORRECT? YES. YES. CORRECT. AND ALSO, IT'S NOT ADVANTAGEOUS. YOU'RE OVERWORKING THE STAFF THAT ARE THERE. -- YEAH. -- SO RATHER THAN DO REDUCTIONS, TO ME, IT SOUNDS MORE LIKE A

TRAINING, BEING ABLE TO RECRUIT FOLKS THAT ARE CAN DO THE JOB AND THEN TRAIN THEM. AND SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. IF NOT HERE LATER. YEAH. THANK YOU. CHAIR. IF I MAY, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION

RELATED TO LET ME JUST LIKE LEVEL SET ON BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP THE FOCUS DETERRENCE PIECE. -- YES. -- THERE ARE VARIOUS EFFORTS TO DEALING WITH GUN VIOLENCE. FOCUS DETERRENCE IS A, YOU KNOW, A

SPECIFIC THING. SO I THINK THAT MANY PEOPLE ACROSS THE CITY, PARTICULARLY AS I'VE KEPT TALKING ABOUT THE NATIONAL NETWORK FOR SAFE COMMUNITIES, SAFE DETERRENCE STRATEGY, HAVE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT

FOCUSED DETERRENCE, SORT OF AS A ALL ENCOMPASSING OTHER THINGS. IT'S NOT THAT IT IS A VERY SPECIFIC STRATEGY, WHICH I KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT, BECAUSE I HEARD AN INTERVIEW WITH YOU RECENTLY. SO IT

BASICALLY IS IDENTIFYING THE FOLKS THAT ARE ENGAGED WITH GUN VIOLENCE, AND YOU HAVE COMMUNITY WITH SOCIAL SERVICES, WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, POLICE DELIVERING A MESSAGE. YOU HAVE TO STOP WHAT YOU'RE

DOING. WHAT DO YOU NEED TO STOP? DO YOU NEED A JOB? DO YOU NEED HOUSING? WHAT DO YOU NEED MAKING A CREDIBLE OFFER THAT WE CAN GET YOU THAT AND THAT YOU MUST STOP. AND IF YOU DON'T, THEN LAW

ENFORCEMENT IS THERE TO DELIVER THE MESSAGE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE YOU ENGAGE IN THIS BEHAVIOR. AND THEY GIVE THE CONSEQUENCE THAT IS FOCUSED DETERRENCE. IT INVOLVES ALL THOSE

PARTNERS. -- WE ARE 100% ALIGNED. THAT WAS NICELY SUMMARIZED. -- AND SO MY CONCERN IS WE'RE CALLING OTHER EFFORTS THAT DON'T INVOLVE THOSE THREE PARTNERS, INCLUDING LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE'RE CALLING IT

FOCUSED DETERRENCE. AND THIS IS MY CONCERN WITH CONFUSING THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT VERY MUCH ALSO INCLUDES LAW ENFORCEMENT AS A PARTNER. -- WE ARE VERY ALIGNED. I AM SPENDING A LOT OF HOURS THIS WEEK

TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE. AND THAT EARLY INTERVENTION, VIOLENCE INTERRUPTION AND COMMUNITY WITHOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT, THESE ARE ALL VALID, CRITICALLY NEEDED IN MY OPINION. DESIGNS, INVESTMENTS.

WE WANT TO MAKE MOST OF THE PREVENTION, THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE MAKE FOR KIDS THAT WE KNOW ARE VULNERABLE AND AT RISK. THAT'S NOT WHAT'S MOVING OVER. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE CARE DEPARTMENT IS DOING. I,

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO ARTICULATE THE DIFFERENCE HERE. FOCUS DETERRENCE IS WE KNOW KIDS ARE ENGAGED. WE KNOW AGAIN, I WAS IN THE GUN CALL YESTERDAY. I CAN SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING, WHAT IS

LIKELY TO HAPPEN NEXT, WHAT THE INVESTIGATIONS BUREAU IS DOING ABOUT IT. AND FOCUS DETERRENCE IS IT'S VERY COMPLEX TO PULL OFF WELL, BECAUSE IT REQUIRES THIS TRUST BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY PROVIDERS AND

LAW ENFORCEMENT. IT DOES. I'M MOST FAMILIAR WITH PORTLAND. THAT'S WHERE I'M FROM, AND I KNOW THAT BUREAU REALLY WELL. THE LEADERSHIP AND THEN MY COUNTERPART AND THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED REALLY GOOD TRUST

WHERE IT'S NOT ABOUT COMMUNITY DISCLOSING INFORMATION, IT'S ABOUT TRUST AND THE PROVIDER TO SAY, YOU DO NOT NEED TO MAKE AN ARREST. WE ARE ON IT. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. AND WHEN IT GOES

WELL, IT'S GOING BOTH WAYS. LAW ENFORCEMENT TRUSTS, THE PROVIDERS, THE PROVIDERS TRUST LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT IT'S FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE ACTIVITY. AND SO I DO THINK WE SHOULD DO

THAT. I THINK SPD IS VERY WELL POISED TO DO THAT. I WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EVALUATIVE PARTNER. YOU AND I COMPLETELY AGREE ON THAT. AND I ALSO LIKE ALL OF THESE OTHER INVESTMENTS WE'RE MAKING IN COMMUNITY

THAT ARE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT OF ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT INVOLVEMENT. -- YES, WE ARE DOING AND MAKING, AND WE HAVE FOR MANY YEARS MANY INVESTMENTS ON THE PREVENTION SIDE. AND THOSE WOULD CONTINUE. WE

NEED TO WE WANT WE WE'RE ALL ALIGNED IN THAT FOCUS. DETERRENCE, THOUGH, HOWEVER, IS NOT COMMUNITY SAYING, WE GOT THIS TO POLICE. IT'S ACTUALLY EVERYONE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH THAT PERSON AT THE TABLE

DELIVERING THAT MESSAGE. SO COMMUNITIES AT THE TABLE WITH THAT PERSON SEARCH, SOCIAL SERVICES ARE AT THE TABLE WITH THAT PERSON AT THE SAME TIME. AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT IS WHAT FOCUSED DETERRENCE

IS. IT'S VERY SPECIFIC. -- SO I DO UNDERSTAND I'M SORRY TO CLARIFY. WHAT I MEAN IS THERE'S THIS WRAPAROUND CONVERSATION WHERE THERE IS TRUST ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE SAME ROOM, YOU KNOW, SO

AGAIN, THIS IS WHY CEASEFIRE IS GOING WELL IN A LOT OF CITIES. THE CITIES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE PARTNERSHIP, AND I TALK A LOT ABOUT THE THE SHARED DATA, THAT IT CAN'T JUST BE THE POLICE SIDE

SHOTS FIRED HOMICIDES. IT HAS TO BE WHO IS ACTUALLY MOVING INTO STABILITY AND SAFETY. I'VE LEARNED IN A LOT OF CITIES WHERE THIS IS GOING. WELL, PEOPLE HAVE TO BE RELOCATED. IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO

GET OUT OF A GANG PSYCHOLOGICALLY. IT'S VERY TERRIFYING. AND SO YOU DO NEED A VERY SPECIFIC TEAM AND THE RIGHT BALANCE OF INCENTIVES AND DETERRENCE. AND I DO APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THAT. AND I AM

ALIGNED WITH YOU ON THIS. -- RIGHT. AND SO THEN, YOU KNOW THAT AND, AND NSC, THE NATIONAL NETWORK FOR SAFE COMMUNITIES WAS ESTABLISHED TO HELP CITIES IMPLEMENT THIS. AND THIS IS WHY THIS IS WHY I'VE

BEEN FOCUSED ON THE NSC EFFORT. I WILL ALSO SAY. THERE IS THIS, YOU KNOW, ADULT VERSUS KIDS WITH COMMITTING VIOLENCE. THERE IS VERY MUCH AN ADULT COMPONENT THAT SEEMS TO GET SKIPPED OVER IN THE

CONVERSATION SORRY. THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT THIS ISN'T JUST YOUTH INVOLVEMENT. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO PREVENTION WITH YOUTH. ABSOLUTELY. A LONG TIME AGO, I WAS INVOLVED WITH YOUTH

THEATER CARE AND WE DID A LOT OF COMMUNITY PROGRAMS TO GET THE KIDS ENGAGED AND INVOLVED. AND AND THAT WAS PREVENTION EFFORTS AND SIMILAR TYPES OF EFFORTS ARE DONE TODAY. AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE

FUND ALL OF THAT AT THE CITY OF SEATTLE. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF ADULTS INVOLVED. AND THAT'S ANOTHER POINT OF CONFLATION. SO THERE'S COMPLETION ABOUT WHAT FOCUS DETERRENCE

MEANS, AND THERE'S COMPLETION ABOUT JUST PUTTING ALL THIS ON YOUTH. IT'S NOT ALL ON YOUTH. THERE ARE A LOT OF ADULTS ENGAGED WITH GUN VIOLENCE. I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS MOST OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED ARE

INVOLVED WITH THE GUN VIOLENCE ON NORTH AURORA AND TRAFFICKING. THOSE MINOR GIRLS ARE ADULTS, NOT CHILDREN. SO I IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. AND THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS PARTICULAR

PARTNERSHIP WITH AND NSC IS IMPORTANT. SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. AND WE CAN FOLLOW UP LATER. BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE. AND I WILL SAY, I UNDERSTAND NOT JUST BECAUSE COUNCIL

PUT IT INTO THE BUDGET LAST YEAR, BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE AUDITOR THAT THE HUMAN SERVICES CONTRACTS RELATED TO PREVENTION SHOULD MOVE OVER TO CARE. SO IT WAS UNDER ONE UMBRELLA OF

PUBLIC SAFETY. HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT WHAT I THAT'S NOT PUBLIC SAFETY. THAT'S COMMUNITY SAFETY. AND THERE IS THIS ELEMENT OF WE NEED TO DO THIS PARTICULAR FOCUSED DETERRENCE STRATEGY WITH THE FOLKS THAT

HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED THE CRIMES, NOT THE ONES WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT. RIGHT. THESE ARE FOLKS WHO'VE COMMITTED GUN VIOLENCE, WHO ARE ENGAGED WITH GUN VIOLENCE. AND WE'RE DOING THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED

FOCUSED DETERRENCE. WE'RE FOCUSING ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS, WHICH IS A VERY SMALL PART OF THE FOLKS ENGAGED IN THE CITY, THE FOLKS ENGAGED WITH GUN VIOLENCE ARE A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF FOLKS IN THE

CITY. SO THAT IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE. AND I DON'T. AND THAT'S WHY IN OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE SEEN REDUCTIONS, IT HAS WORKED IN THOSE CITIES BECAUSE THEY ARE TRULY DOING FOCUSED

DETERRENCE. THEY'RE NOT CALLING OTHER PREVENTION EFFORTS FOCUSED DETERRENCE. SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR. -- THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR RIVERA. -- JUST ONE. I'M GOING. -- I'M

SORRY. I'M VERY SORRY. -- SORRY. -- WE HAVE BEEN IN A STRICT FACILITATION MODE THIS MORNING. I WAS BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE RELAXED JUST NOW, BUT I HAVE BEEN GIVING VERBAL EITHER NON-VERBAL WITH EYE

CONTACT AND HEAD NODS. I CAME TO AND FOR COLLEAGUES I CAME. WHEN I CAME TO COUNCIL, THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO, IN MY OPINION, WERE NOT AS NICE UP HERE. AND THAT IS WHERE SOME OF MY STRICTNESS COMES FROM.

BUT I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY COMMITTEE TABLE. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SHARE, I SEE COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA HAS ONE LAST THOUGHT, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COMMITTEE TABLE FOR LAST COMMENTS IN

THIS ZONE. AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO TO MY COLLEAGUES. SO THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING OF THE FACILITATION OF ROBERT'S RULES TODAY. APPRECIATE YOU. OVER TO YOU. -- THANK YOU. CHAIR, MY LAST POINT

ACTUALLY WAS THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE NON CALL TAKER, THE THREE MINUTE. THAT'S NOT THE EXPERIENCE OF THE CONSTITUENTS. SO THERE'S A DISCONNECT THERE. AND I WOULD LEARN TO I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN

MORE ABOUT WHY THERE'S THAT DISCONNECT, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT HOW CONSTITUENTS HAVE EXPERIENCED IT. SO THANK YOU CHAIR. THAT'S ALL. -- BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TABLE. -- I WILL TAKE MORE QUESTIONS. YOU

SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN ME STARTED ON GUN VIOLENCE. IT NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE COMMITTEE. -- WE'VE GOT ALL AFTERNOON. -- OTHER LET'S NOT TAKE IT. ONE INTERESTING NOTE THAT CAME TO MIND THAT I DIDN'T

MENTION IS WHAT I HEAR AROUND THE COUNTRY IS THAT THE CARE DEPARTMENT IS REALLY DISTINCT AND HAS A STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE, AND THAT I WORK IN WEST PRECINCT. WHERE ALL JUST BACKGROUND AND I AM REALLY PART

OF THE SPD RESEARCH AND ANALYTICS TEAM, SEEING REAL TIME WHAT'S HAPPENING. THERE'S USUALLY A LOT OF INFORMATION LAG. AND SO IT WAS JUST A BRIGHT SPOT. THAT'S ALL FANTASTIC. -- WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING

YOU'RE DOING. COLLEAGUES. DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I'M NOT SEEING HANDS ON ZOOM. NOW IS THE TIME. COUNCILMEMBER RINCK, YOU'RE UP NEXT. -- THANK YOU. CHAIR STRAUSS, AND I'LL TAKE THIS

OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU, CHIEF BARDEN, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND THE WORK OF THE CARE DEPARTMENT. HUGE THANK YOU TO OUR CRISIS CARE RESPONDERS IN THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, HAVING CRISIS CARE

RESPONDERS BEING DISPATCHED FOR MENTAL HEALTH CRISES IS ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONS OF ENSURING THAT WE HAVE A DIVERSIFIED PUBLIC SAFETY ECOSYSTEM. I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT WE NEED TO HAVE QUICK RESPONSES,

BUT ALSO CORRECT RESPONSES FOR GIVEN SCENARIOS. AND SO I WANT TO UPLIFT THAT TO KIND OF GROUND THIS CONVERSATION TODAY. AND THANK YOU FOR THE OVERVIEW PRESENTATION. MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA,

FOCUSED ON THE REDUCTIONS FOR THE CALL TAKER POSITIONS. I WANTED TO TAKE US TO THE REDUCTIONS FOR THE CRISIS CARE RESPONDER POSITIONS AND JUST TALK ABOUT THOSE A LITTLE BIT. AND SO WONDERING IF I CAN

JUST GET AN UNDERSTANDING. I UNDERSTAND THOSE POSITIONS ARE VACANT RIGHT NOW. IF I CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW LONG THE PAUSE ON FILLING THOSE 14 VACANCY POSITIONS WILL BE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. --

YEAH. WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS I MYSELF AHEAD OF ANY BUDGET CONVERSATION ELECTED TO SLOW DOWN THE HIRING. I PRESENTED VERY CANDIDLY ABOUT THE UTILITY DATA IN THE WINTER, BECAUSE I DON'T

BELIEVE IN SPENDING DOLLARS IN A WAY THAT IS NOT THE MOST USEFUL. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST WHERE I WAS. I FELT LIKE, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT THIS UTILITY. WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE CURRENT CONTRACT

IS BEING INTERPRETED. WHAT OTHER WAYS CAN WE DEPLOY THEM. AND SO I DIDN'T STOP THE HIRING, BUT WE SLOWED. WE HAD PLANNED TO HAVE THESE FOUR COHORTS HIRED QUICKLY THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR. AND I

SAID, LET'S NOT DO THAT. YOU KNOW, LET'S GROW. LET'S GET A COUPLE MORE COHORTS, REALLY FOCUS ON THE SUPERVISORS AND QUALITY ASSURANCE IN THE FIELD, AND THEN START SOME OF THESE OTHER STRATEGIES THAT I

TALKED ABOUT. THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE, DIFFERENT PARTNERSHIPS, CO-LOCATION WITH THE LIBRARIES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE DID THAT. THEN THE BUDGET CONVERSATION STARTED AND I ALREADY HAD THESE 14

VACANCIES. AND SO I WAS NOT SURPRISED WHEN IT WAS SUGGESTED. LET'S JUST PAUSE. LET'S REALLY FOCUS ON BETTER OPERATIONALIZING THIS TEAM. AND I DO BELIEVE IN MAKING INTELLIGENT RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON

THE DATA. I WANT THEM TO BE WELL BEYOND CAPACITY. YOU KNOW, CALLS AROUND THE CLOCK. I WOULD PREFER THEY NOT EVEN REALLY HAVE TIME FOR SORT OF THE ON VIEW WORK. THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE FIRST RESPONDERS,

NOT OUTREACH WORKERS. MY ASSUMPTION, I'VE NOT JUST YOU MIGHT CLARIFY, BUT MY ASSUMPTION WAS THAT IT WAS FOR THIS BUDGET CYCLE. I BELIEVE THAT MAYOR WILSON IS A FIRM BELIEVER IN DIVERSIFIED RESPONSE. I

THINK THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A SHARED PRIORITY ACROSS EVERY OFFICE THAT I'M AWARE OF RIGHT NOW IN OUR AREA. I THINK PEOPLE JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID WAS REALLY ARTICULATE, THAT YOU WANT THE RIGHT

FIRST RESPONSE. AND SO THAT IS THE VISION GOING FORWARD. BUT I ALSO AM REALLY KEENLY INTERESTED IN USING THE 988 SYSTEM THE COUNTY IS MAKING SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES IN MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE. AND SO WE

WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REDIRECTING AS APPROPRIATE. -- CHAIR, IF I MAY. PLEASE THANK YOU FOR THAT RESPONSE. THAT'S HELPFUL. SO HEARING THAT, AND I ACTUALLY WANT TO TURN NEXT TO DIRECTOR PENNUCCI

JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THE NOTION THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS HOLDING THESE POSITIONS VACANT, AT LEAST IN THE INTERIM FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET. -- THANK YOU. YES, IT IS ASSUMED TO BE AN ONGOING

REDUCTION, AND WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING THE POSITIONS BECAUSE IT IS A SHARED PRIORITY FOR THE MAYOR. BUT RIGHT NOW, BASED ON OUR AVAILABLE RESOURCES, WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING TO SUSTAIN THAT. BUT IT IS, AS

CHIEF BARDEN MENTIONED, A SHARED PRIORITY. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY THINGS WE'LL BE LOOKING AT. IF THERE ARE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, WE WOULD WANT TO BRING THE FUNDING BACK FOR THOSE POSITIONS. --

THANK YOU BOTH FOR THAT RESPONSE. AND JUST ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION TO THIS POINT. SINCE THERE'S BEEN RECENT ANNOUNCEMENTS AROUND, OF COURSE, CHANGES TO HOW WE ARE STRUCTURING OUR CITY'S RESPONSE TO

GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION. AND THERE IS SOME GREAT DISCOURSE JUST HAPPENING HERE ON FOCUS DETERRENCE. AND SO I'M WONDERING, CHIEF BARDEN, IF YOU CAN JUST SPEAK TO A BIT MORE HOW YOU DEFINE CARE'S ROLE

IN THE MAYOR'S GUN VIOLENCE PLAN, BOTH FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE WITH THE COORDINATOR AND THE GRANTS POSITIONS, BUT ALSO FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE? -- YEAH, I'M VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT

WHAT I CONSIDER THE THIRD DIVISION OF CARE, WHICH IS THE COORDINATING ENTITY ACROSS PUBLIC HEALTH AND PUBLIC SAFETY. I'VE TAKEN TO QUOTING CHAIR KETTLE WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE SEEM, IT IS REALLY

INTERESTING MOST DAYS. YOU KNOW, YESTERDAY I WAS IN, I THINK, SIX DIFFERENT MEETINGS WITH SPD, WITH JAIL HEALTH, AND THEN I WAS IN COMMUNITY LISTENING TO YOUNG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT JUST THEIR EXPERIENCE

WITH GUN VIOLENCE. AND SO I GET THIS REALLY INTERESTING INTERSECTIONAL PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT. THERE MUST BE STAFF IN THIS CITY FULL TIME DEDICATED TO GUN VIOLENCE REDUCTION. ON

THE COMMUNITY SIDE, WORKING TIGHTLY WITH THE SPD SIDE. ALSO, THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE, JUVENILE DETENTION, DRIVING FORWARD SOLUTIONS THAT WORK. AND SO THAT'S HOW I THINK ABOUT IT. THIRD DIVISION, I

DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO OWN ALL OF THE WORK. I ALSO LIKE TO ARTICULATE THE TEMPORAL NATURE OF CARE, WHERE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT RESPONDING TO EMERGENCIES. SO THE WAY THAT I THINK ABOUT THE LEAD

CONTRACTS IS SIMILAR. THAT'S SORT OF OUR USUALLY ONE OF THE LAST CHANCES TO HELP SOMEBODY REDIRECT THEIR LIFE BEFORE THEY GET REALLY IMPACTED BY THE CRIMINAL LEGAL SYSTEM. SO LATE STAGE DIVERSION

BEFORE COERCION. I SEE US AS THE DIVERSION DEPARTMENT. AND SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT COMMUNITY VIOLENCE INTERRUPTION CONTRACTS, I DO THINK ABOUT INTERVENTION AND INTERRUPTION. WHEN WE KNOW THAT HARM IS

HAPPENING IS BEFALLING THE PERSON OR THEY'RE CAUSING IT, WE DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH, NOR DO I THINK IT IS. IS IT A GOOD DESIGN TO BE UPSTREAM? RIGHT. THE SCHOOL BASED SERVICES AND ALL OF THOSE

DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT A PERSON SHOULD BE AVAILED AND WE SHOULD BE INTERVENING EARLY AND THOROUGHLY SO THAT WE DON'T WAIT UNTIL AN ARREST HAS TO BE MADE. SO THAT'S JUST I KNOW THAT'S

PHILOSOPHICAL, BUT THE WAY THAT HSD AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WERE PROPOSING TO SORT OF DISAGGREGATE THE WORK, I THINK IS VERY INTELLIGENT. YOU KNOW, I'M A FIRST RESPONDER DEPARTMENT. AND SO THAT'S HOW I

THINK ABOUT WHAT SHOULD MOVE. IS THAT HELPFUL? -- AND IF I MAY, CHAIR, JUST AS A FOLLOW UP TO THIS POINT, AND I APPRECIATE JUST YOUR PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH ON HOW WE HAVE THIS. AND I'M I'M EXCITED TO

SEE KIND OF THE FUNCTIONAL, THE RESTRUCTURING OF FUNCTIONS FOR THE PURPOSES OF DEPLOYING IMPROVED RESPONSE. I'M ACTUALLY THINKING BACK TO SOMETHING COUNCIL PRESIDENT HOLLINGSWORTH RAISED IN THE LAST

SESSION. WE JUST HAD JUST ON KIND OF WHAT ARE THE OUTCOMES WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE FROM THE INVESTMENT IN, PARTICULARLY WITH THIS KIND OF RESTRUCTURE? -- ANOTHER COMMENT I COULD MAKE IS IF YOU LOOK AT

SOUTH PRECINCT, WHICH I THINK WAS REFERENCED EARLIER, THAT IS THE DESIGN, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT LAW ENFORCEMENT WORKING WITH THE FIVE PRINCIPLES WEEKLY BASIS, AND THEN ALL SORTS OF OTHER CONCERNED

PERSONS, RIGHT. PARENTS AND COACHES AND COUNSELORS AND HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS, ALL WITH ONE OBJECTIVE, WHICH IS SAFE, THRIVING COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE. AND SO THAT IS IT'S NOT EVEN A

FORMAL DESIGN. IT'S REALLY JUST THE RIGHT PEOPLE WITH THE RIGHT RELATIONSHIPS, ADVANCING THE CONVERSATION. WE DESPERATELY NEED SOMEBODY TO DIRECT AND COORDINATE THE WORK. IT'S WHAT I'M DOING KIND OF

INFORMALLY, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO THINK ABOUT NOTHING ELSE. YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT ALL THESE OTHER COMPONENTS OF MY JOB. AND SO I THINK SOMEBODY WHO IS HELPING TO DEFINE WHAT IS THE IMPACT WE

WANT TO SEE IF WE DO THIS WELL, WHAT WOULD THE DATA BE IN THREE YEARS? WHAT TYPES OF REDUCTIONS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? AGAIN? COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA ARTICULATED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF

GUN VIOLENCE AND THE STRATEGIES FOR UNDER 25 ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE STRATEGIES FOR GUN VIOLENCE AND ENCAMPMENTS. BUT WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT ARE WE FOCUSED ON, WHAT ARE THE STRATEGIES AND IS IT

WORKING SO WE CAN COURSE CORRECT. IT'S NOT PERFECT MATH. YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY IS YOU HAVE TO START WITH THE THEORY AND THEN WORK TOWARD IT. AND PORTLAND HAS SEEN IT WAS MOSTLY GANG AND GROUP VIOLENCE

THAT THEY WERE EXPERIENCING IN 2023. THAT'S NOW 40% OF THEIR GUN VIOLENCE. IT'S DROPPED PRECIPITOUSLY. AND SO WE NEED TO ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF OBJECTIVE LIKE THAT -- CERTAINLY. THANK YOU FOR THAT,

FOR THAT RESPONSE. I KNOW OUR CITY FROM REPORTING OVER THE SUMMER, WE HAVE SEEN A DROP IN CRIME. AND SO OF COURSE, WE WANT TO BE CONTINUING THAT TREND AND REDUCING CRIME ACROSS THE CITY. AND I THINK

BY HAVING A DIVERSIFIED RESPONSE SYSTEM AND USING OUR RESOURCES EFFECTIVELY TO DO SO IS IMPORTANT IN BEING ABLE TO BRING THOSE NUMBERS DOWN EVEN MORE. THANK YOU, CHAIR. -- THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE

FROM THE COMMITTEE TABLE ON THIS? I'LL GO TO COUNCILMEMBER LIN. YOU'RE NEXT. -- THANK YOU. CHAIR. THANKS TO EVERYONE HERE PRESENTING A FEW, FEW THREADS, ONE EXCITED TO TO HEAR ABOUT ALL THAT

COORDINATION WORK, ESPECIALLY WITH KING COUNTY JAIL HEALTH. YOU KNOW, COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE IS NOT HERE TODAY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW HE'S BEEN WORKING A LOT ON, BOTH ON SORT OF THE FRONT END,

THE MEDICAL DECLINES ISSUE, BUT ALSO ON THE BACK END IN TERMS OF LIKE PEOPLE BEING RELEASED WITHOUT RESOURCES. AND THE I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IS WORKING ON BREAKING THE CYCLE. AND SO VERY EXCITED TO,

TO HEAR MORE ABOUT HOW YOU ARE MAKING THE MOST USE OF YOUR STAFF TO, TO ADDRESS FOLKS EXITING, JAIL, EXITING A HARBORVIEW WHO TOO OFTEN END UP RIGHT BACK AT 12th AND JACKSON NORTH BEACON HILL. I SEE

SO MANY PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS WITH MEDICAL. WITH HOSPITAL BANS ON THE STREET THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR A BIT ABOUT THAT WORK. THE OTHER PART THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS SORT OF THE CODE

DEPLOYMENT WITH WITH POLICE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOPING TO SEE MORE KIND OF PROACTIVE EFFORTS BY THE CARE DEPARTMENT. AND I WAS SPEAKING WITH WE'VE HAD A EMPHASIS PATROL WITH SPD AND

LITTLE SAIGON ALONGSIDE LEAD, OBVIOUSLY UNDER YOUR DEPARTMENT AS WELL. AND ONE THING, THE ONE PIECE OF FEEDBACK I HAVE GOTTEN, OBVIOUSLY, THINGS ARE CONTINUE TO BE VERY DIRE. THERE. I HAVE HEARD FROM

LEAD THAT ONE POSITIVE THING THAT HAS COME OUT OF THE EMPHASIS AND SORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. DEDICATED OFFICERS, IS THAT THEY'VE HAD IMPROVED REFERRALS. AND I THINK THAT COMES ALONG WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU

KNOW, OFFICERS THERE EVERY DAY UNDERSTANDING SORT OF THE POPULATION AND THE FOLKS AND ALSO WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH LEAD MORE CLOSELY. AND SO I COULD SEE A STRONG SORT OF BENEFIT WITH WITH CARE FOLKS

AS WELL, WITH THAT SORT OF CODE DEPLOYMENT. I JUST WANT TO PAUSE THERE, SEE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING. -- YEAH, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. WE'RE ACTUALLY LAUNCHING THE PILOT IN WEST PRECINCT NEXT FRIDAY. AND

THE BASIC IDEA IS WE'VE STUDIED THE CRISIS HOTSPOTS AS POLICE STAFFING IMPROVES. AND ALSO CHIEF SAYLES IS DOING A VERY GOOD JOB. HE HAS A REALLY GOOD GRASP ON NEIGHBORHOOD POLICING, YOU KNOW, AND

BASICALLY THE FIRST RESPONDERS NEED TO KNOW WHO TO WHO TO HAND OFF TO. SO ANYTIME LAW ENFORCEMENT IS IN AN AREA, IF THE RESPONDERS ARE ALSO IN THE AREA, IT KIND OF SIDESTEPS ANY CONTRACT RESTRICTIONS,

RIGHT? BECAUSE THE OFFICERS CAN STILL USE THEIR JUDGMENT TO SAY, YES, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU GO CHECK ON THIS PERSON? SO IT'S JUST A SIMPLE WORKAROUND. AND I ALSO THINK IT'S GOOD FOR RELATIONSHIP

BUILDING. BOTH SIDES NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OTHER SIDE DOES. SO WE'LL DO THAT. WE'VE I'VE TALKED TO CAPTAIN BRITT ABOUT A SIMILAR DESIGN WITH NIGHTLIFE. COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH HAS ADVOCATED.

AGAIN, WE NEED MORE. WE DELIVER CARE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN HOW HOW ARE THEY WORKING WITH THE POLICE AND CARE RESPONDERS SO THAT WE HAVE COVERAGE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE REALLY

CHRONICALLY TROUBLED? -- THANK THANK YOU. AND TRANSITIONING TO GUN VIOLENCE AND IN PARTICULAR, YOUTH GUN VIOLENCE. AND I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION. I AM EXCITED FOR THE TRANSITION, OVERSEEING THOSE

CONTRACTS. BUT I ALSO HAVE SOME SOME CONCERNS, AND I APPRECIATE THE DIALOG, INCLUDING FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. AND I DO THINK THERE'S AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF

ALIGNMENT AND GLAD TO HEAR THAT COMING FROM FROM YOU. CHIEF BARDEN. I MY, MY SORT OF ONE CAVEAT IS, IS I DO UNDERSTAND FOCUS DETERRENCE IS A VERY SPECIFIC MODEL. I'M NOT SURE THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S A

SPECIFIC PROVIDER. I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THAT NATIONAL NETWORK ARE EXPERTS IN FOCUS, DETERRENCE, BUT I DON'T I'LL JUST SORT OF CAVEAT THAT I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE NATIONAL NETWORK. I VOTED AGAIN

IN FAVOR OF THE RESOLUTION. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE NATIONAL NETWORK BE OUR CONSULTANT. I DO THINK WE NEED A CONSULTANT TO DO THE FOCUS DETERRENCE. AND WHAT I HEARD IS THAT THERE IS BUDGET, THERE IS SOME

FUNDING THERE FOR SOME SORT OF CONSULTANT SO BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS JUST ABOUT THE TRANSITION. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF SORT OF TURMOIL JUST IN TERMS OF A LOT OF OUR INVESTMENTS IN CVI. AND

THEN IF WE'RE CHANGING PATHS, LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR PARTNERS, THEY NEED SOME PREDICTABILITY AND STABILITY. YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN RFP THIS LAST YEAR THAT

CAUSED A LOT OF TURMOIL IN THE IN THE COMMUNITY AND DOWN IN THE RAINIER BEACH AREA. AND IT ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE WE'RE BEING REACTIVE AND IN CRISIS MODE. AND SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT

THIS CONSULTANT CAN HELP US DEVELOP A LONG TERM VISION AND A LONG TERM PLAN. BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A TRANSITION PERIOD AS WELL. AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE VERY MINDFUL AS WE UPDATE CONTRACTS, AS WE

CHANGE APPROACHES, THAT WE ARE NOT LEAVING OUR PARTNERS. YOU KNOW, IN THE LURCH AS THEY DEVELOP THEIR BUDGETS, AS THEY DEVELOP THEIR STAFFING PLANS. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR PARTNERS AS WE SHIFT PIVOT A LITTLE BIT IN DIRECTION. -- I AGREE, AND THERE IS NO PLAN TO DO ANYTHING ABRUPT OR DIFFERENT. I THINK WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN I LOOK AT THE

DIFFERENT PROVIDERS IS WHO'S DOING WHAT PART OF THE INTERVENTION. SO AGAIN, WHO IS REALLY ALREADY DOING THE FOCUSED DETERRENCE PART, BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY CONNECTED, YOU KNOW, FORMALLY TO THE LAW

ENFORCEMENT, TO THE TO THE MODEL. AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THERE IS FANTASTIC WORK BEING DONE ON THE FRONT LINES. AS A CITY, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO SUPPORT, PROVIDE TECHNICAL SUPPORT AND BE ABLE TO

SHARE IMPACT WITH THE PEOPLE IN A BUDGET HEARING, FOR EXAMPLE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE LEARNED. IT'S I'M FROM THE NONPROFIT SECTOR, AND GENERALLY PEOPLE ARE DOING ALL THAT THEY CAN ON THE FRONT LINES,

AND WE NEED TO BETTER SUPPORT THEM IN THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR THE, THE NOTE. -- AND JUST FINALLY, CHAIR. -- I SEE TOMMY HAS SOMETHING TO ADD. -- YEAH, I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL. COUNCILMEMBER

LIN THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH HSD ABOUT THE PARTICULAR CONTRACTS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO MOVE OVER. WE'VE BEEN DOING ANALYSIS WITH THEM AND GETTING UPDATES ABOUT WHAT HSD HAS BEEN

DOING AND TRANSITION EFFORTS WITH THEM. SO WE'VE ALREADY PUT THAT PLAN TOGETHER AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM. THE PROVIDERS CAN EXPECT THAT CARE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL, INCLUDING THE CHIEF, WILL BE

REACHING OUT OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS SO THAT WE CAN GET EVERYTHING FINALIZED AND NEW CONTRACTS UP TO DATE BEFORE JANUARY. -- OKAY, WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. JUST ONE FINAL, AND I SEE DIRECTOR HOLCOMB

HERE AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. AND I JUST ONE SORT OF QUESTION. CONCERN IS, I MEAN, YOU'LL BE OVERSEEING THE CONTRACTS WITH OUR SOME OF OUR PROVIDERS. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE TO THIS

WORK. YOU KNOW. SPD. I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT YOU DON'T SUPERVISE. SPD. RIGHT. AND AND SO, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE'S A LOT OF COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN. YOU'RE DEALING WITH

911 CALLS. AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE STRETCHED THIN, BUT I GUESS PARTIALLY LIKE, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS THE COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION WITH KIND OF YOU AS ONE DEPARTMENT WHEN, YOU KNOW,

WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT LIKE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NEED TO BE RELOCATED, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE RELOCATING PEOPLE. THAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S OUR, OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS, MAYBE IT'S WORKING

WITH OUR HOUSING PARTNERS. LIKE, HOW CAN YOU DO THAT? WHAT SUPPORT DO YOU NEED FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OR FROM US COUNCIL TO, TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, HELP FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS, OTHER AGENCIES, WHETHER

IT'S KING COUNTY OFFICE OF REGIONAL GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF YOUR PURVIEW. -- YEAH. AGAIN, HIRING THAT DIRECTOR POSITION IS TOP PRIORITY. THAT'S ALREADY WE WERE WORKING ON THE PDX'S

BECAUSE THE MONEY IS THERE BASICALLY AS FAST AS WE CAN HIRE FOR IT, AND WE WILL. THAT IS A CRITICAL HIRE. WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS THE RIGHT PERSON WHO IS AN OUTSTANDING COLLABORATOR AND

UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE A CITY SITTING IN A COUNTY WITH A LOT OF RESOURCES, SITTING INSIDE A STATE, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN A NATIONAL LEGAL AND POLICY SYSTEM. AND SO I THINK AS WE GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN

THE CONVERSATION TO ILLUMINATE WHERE ARE THERE GAPS, I DON'T KNOW, TODAY, COUNCILMEMBER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT PIECES ARE IN PLACE. DO WE HAVE A, A SWIFT RELOCATION EXIT STRATEGY? I

THINK ABOUT HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN THE SAME WAY WHERE IT'S JUST SPECIFICALLY PSYCHOLOGICALLY COMPLEX AND YOU NEED A WHOLE BUNCH OF SUPPORTS AND YOU NEED THEM AT THE READY. SO I'M SURE THAT WE WILL BE

HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT I AGREE WITH THE NEED FOR A TECHNICAL EVALUATIVE PARTNER BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES DOING THIS WELL. AND IT IS LIKE THE CARE PILOT THAT JUST TOOK

ME A FEW MONTHS TO LIFT OFF BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO LOOK AT THE NATIONAL LANDSCAPE, HAVE CANDID CONVERSATIONS WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO SHARED WITH ME NOT JUST WHAT WAS GOING WELL, BUT WHAT NOT TO DO.

AND THEN WE PUT PEN TO PAPER AND GOT IT GOING, AND WE CAN DO THE SAME THING HERE. -- THANK YOU. -- CHAIR, THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER LIN. WE'VE GOT COUNCIL PRESIDENT NEXT. -- THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU,

CHIEF, FOR BEING HERE. AND JUST REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK IN COLLABORATION THAT WE'VE WE'VE HAD, ESPECIALLY WITH CAPITOL HILL, PIKE, PINE, AND TRYING TO

FIGURE OUT HAVING MORE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND FOR VIOLENCE, AND CORRUPTION AND VIOLENCE INTERRUPTERS. AND I KNOW THAT THAT IS A IS A PROGRAM THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT ARE THE NEXT

STEPS? WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? SO REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND YOUR DEPARTMENT'S PARTNERSHIP ON THAT, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME. AND SO JUST HAPPY TO GET THAT GOING. ONE

THING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, AND I SHARED THIS WITH SPD AND WE'LL TALK OFFLINE, CHIEF, IS TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND MORE OF LEAD IN THE SENSE THAT. AND COULD YOU GUYS GO BACK TO THE LEAD

INVESTMENT PIECE, THE. THANK YOU. THE FUNDING PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. AND COLEAD AND I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME, BECAUSE I'M TWO AND A HALF YEARS IN, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, THE TALKING

POINTS. I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT. THE ONE THING THAT I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH ARE THE KEY PERFORMANCE INDEX, THE KPIS OF LEAD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE IMPACT. AND I KNOW I'VE HEARD ALL THE STORIES

AND THE PEOPLE, BUT HOW THAT FITS WITHIN OUR MODEL, BECAUSE I CAN TELL WHEN YOU ALL PUT THE CHART UP ABOUT 911 DATA IN TERMS OF CALL TIME, I CAN SEE THE INVESTMENT AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S MADE

WITH US SAYING THESE INVESTMENTS FOR THESE PEOPLE HAVE CREATED SHORTER WAIT TIMES FOR PEOPLE GETTING SOMEONE. NOW, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU ALL DO. BUT JUST TO COLLECT

THAT DATA INFORMATION, I'M ABLE TO LITERALLY SEE THAT RIGHT IN FRONT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF YOUR KPIS. AND SO THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL AND IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THIS IS A BIGGER QUESTION, AND THIS

IS PROBABLY NOT A QUESTION THAT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT IS WHEN WE, THE CITY, ARE FIGURING OUT OUR SAFETY PLAN AND OUR CONTRACTORS, US HAVING THE SAME METRICS SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE MAKING

THESE INVESTMENTS OR AYE DEPARTMENTS COMING HERE AND SAYING, THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE POURING INTO HOUSING, THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE POURING INTO PREVENTION, INTERVENTION, AND FOR WHATEVER IT

IS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THOSE OUTCOMES ARE. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CALL TIME RESPONSE. WE CAN SEE THAT. AND THEN ALSO FOR THE

COLEAD INVESTMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, STRONG BELIEVER IN COLEAD. I JUST WANT SOME KPIS SO I CAN BE ABLE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE PROGRAM OR ABLE TO ARTICULATE IT TO OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT THE IMPACT. THE

LAST THING, AND THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION, THE CONTRACTS THAT HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED, TRANSFERRED TO YOU OR JUST THAT NEW RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU HAVE, AND YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE STRETCHED THIN. I'VE

TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. WE HAVE PREVENTION, INTERVENTION AND ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S HOW I'M ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BREAK UP PUBLIC SAFETY. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT MINE. THAT'S CHERYL PARKER FROM

PHILADELPHIA, THE MAYOR. SO I GOT TO GIVE HER CREDIT. THAT WAS HER THING WHEN SHE CAME ON AND RAN AND TALKED ABOUT PREVENTION, INTERVENTION AND ENFORCEMENT. AND THE ONE THING I WANTED TO KNOW, THE

CONTRACTS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED, SO I SO LET ME JUST SAY THIS FOR PREVENTION. I THINK IT IS AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, PIANO LESSON CAMP, MENTAL HEALTH, MORE THINGS YOU KNOW AS WELL. THE INTERVENTION, I

THINK, IS SOMETHING AS LIKE LEAD ALSO THINK OF SOMETHING AS THE VIOLENCE INTERRUPTERS INTERRUPTERS THAT ARE ON THE GROUND. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE ENFORCEMENT IS THE SPD AND 911, THE CONTRACTS THAT

HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED AND SHIFTED TO YOU. WHERE ARE THEY ON THAT PIE CHART? ARE THEY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE INTERVENTION? IS IT PREVENTION? LIKE, HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHEN THOSE CONTRACTS, WHERE

DOES THAT LAND IN THAT ECOSYSTEM? -- YEAH, THEY WILL ACTUALLY MOVE JANUARY 1st. AND SO I HAVE JUST HAD MY FIRST LOOK AT THEM THIS WEEK. THEY'RE ORGANIZATIONS I'M FAMILIAR WITH AND I ADMIRE AND I

UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S 180 IS, BUT I WOULD RELY ON AND DEFER YOU TO HSD BECAUSE THEY REALLY DID THE ANALYSIS. LOOKING AT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS PREVENTATIVE? WHAT IS UPSTREAM? THAT'S REALLY A HUMAN

SERVICE DEPARTMENT INVESTMENT OR A DEAL INVESTMENT. WHAT DID WE CONSIDER? I WOULD SAY LATE STAGE INTERVENTION, YOU KNOW, MEANING THERE'S SOME FORMALITY TO THIS. WE NEED AN ACTUAL PLAN FOR THIS PERSON.

THIS IS NOT GOING WELL. AND HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY WRAP SUPPORT AROUND? I KEEP SAYING KIDS BECAUSE IT'S JUST MY BACKGROUND. I'M MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE 25 AND YOUNGER BRAIN. AND TO AFFIRM WHAT YOU JUST

SAID, COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH COUNCIL PRESIDENT. IT IS SO OFTEN THE PROTECTIVE FACTORS ARE ACCESS TO EMPLOYMENT, ACCESS TO A MENTOR, ACCESS TO A PLACE TO BE. ON FRIDAY NIGHT AT 10 P.M., SPORTS

ARTS, I WAS EXPLAINING TO SOMEONE, WE CAN'T REALLY ACTUALLY EVEN PROCESS COMPLEX TRAUMA WHEN WE'RE 14, RIGHT? YOUR BRAIN CANNOT DO THAT. BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN WAYS THAT KIDS

CAN FEEL HOPEFUL AND LIKE THEY'RE ON A PATH THAT IS SAFE. AND WE KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I THINK SOMETIMES WE OVERINTELLECTUALIZE IT AND OVERCOMPLICATE IT, BUT MOST OF THOSE INVESTMENTS REMAIN IN HSD. MY

ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE CONTRACTS MOVING ARE ALL RELATED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE KNOWN TO BE ENGAGED IN ACTIVITY, WHERE WE THINK THEY ARE GOING TO WIND UP WITH SENTENCES. YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT THEY'RE

GOING TO WIND UP IN THE SYSTEM. AND THAT'S, AGAIN, THE DESIGN OF LEAD IS WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE LIKELY TO HAVE TO SPEND TIME IN THE CARCERAL SYSTEM. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE CAUSAL FACTOR HERE IS

BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. IT'S A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ISSUE. AND IF WE CAN TREAT THAT, THEN WE CAN PROBABLY AVOID THE SYSTEM ALTOGETHER. AND I THINK THE TENSION IN OUR SOCIETY IS PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IS

NOT THE THEORY ISN'T NO ACCOUNTABILITY. THE THEORY IS ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT IT'S. CAN YOU INCENT SOMEBODY ON A MORE PRODUCTIVE PATH USING SORT OF THE DETERRENT THAT'S ON THE BOOKS THAT WILL BE APPLIED

CONSISTENTLY. SO MORE TO COME. AS I STUDY THE CONTRACTS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT. -- THAT I KNOW WAS THROWN AT YOU. ONE MORE COMMENT, CHAIR. THANK YOU. AND I THINK THE REASON WHY THIS PIECE IS VERY

IMPORTANT ABOUT THE CONTRACTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED OVER TO YOU VERSUS WHAT IS IN HSD. AND NOW I'M GOING TO GO INTO MY LITTLE EQUITY BOX THAT EVERYONE LOVES. AND THE ONE THING, BECAUSE I'M

MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE'VE LEARNED, AND WE KNOW THAT 50% OF THE VICTIMS THAT ARE GUN VIOLENCE ARE BLACK MALES. AND THEN WE ALSO KNOW THAT THESE ARE BETWEEN AGES OF 13 AND 24. AND THEN YOU GO HIGHER

WHEN IT'S LIKE 18 AND 24. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC THAT LEAD IS GOING AFTER OR TARGET OR ARE DOING. AND SO TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND ENSURING THAT IF WE KNOW THAT 50% OF

BLACK MALES, 13 TO 24 ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DYING AND CAUGHT UP IN THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY, THEN THOSE SHOULD REFLECT SOME OF THE CONTRACTS AND THEN THE TARGETED APPROACH DURING THIS PROCESS. YOU KNOW,

I FIND OUT I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE GUN VIOLENCE PLAN. I KNOW IT WAS PUT ON PAPER. I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT WITH A PRESS RELEASE AND AN EMAIL. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, HELPING WITH THE

IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT. AND I'LL CONTINUE TO SHARE WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE MY WILLINGNESS TO COLLABORATE ON THAT. HOWEVER, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE CONTRACTS AND THE EXECUTION AND THE KPIS THAT WE'RE

ENSURING THAT WE'RE TARGETING, NUMBER ONE, THAT DEMOGRAPHIC, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THAT WORK ARE ALSO TARGETING THAT DEMOGRAPHIC AS WELL. AND THEN WE ALSO KNOW WHICH GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS WITHIN

THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON AS WELL FOR THAT FOR, FOR A LOT OF THAT WORK TOO. SO I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT ON YOUR PLATE, CHIEF. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT, ESPECIALLY THE SHIFT

IN CONTRACTS. BUT I THINK IF WE CAN START SPLITTING IT UP AND UNDERSTANDING THERE'S PREVENTION WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO, THERE'S INTERVENTION WORK AND ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S HOW I'M ABLE TO BREAK IT UP,

BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE ONE GROUP, ONE ORGANIZATION THAT MIGHT DO TWO OF THEM. THEY DO PREVENTION, THEY DO INTERVENTION ENFORCEMENT IS DIFFERENT. WE KNOW THAT'S THE LAW SYSTEM. THAT'S SPD. THAT'S MORE

OF THE CITY SIDE. WE DO THE ENFORCEMENT, THE CITY, BUT WE ALSO FUND THE PREVENTION AND INTERVENTION, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT. AND SO THE HOLISTIC PLAN OF HAVING SOME KPIS. SO WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE

NEED TO TARGET MORE, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH YOU ABOUT THE CONTRACTS AND FINDING OUT THE INTERVENTION PIECE ON THAT PIECE AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. -- YEAH. THANK YOU. --

THANK YOU. COUNCIL PRESIDENT. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMITTEE TABLE RIGHT NOW NOT SEEING ANY. I'VE GOT COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER UP NEXT. -- THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. AND AS ALWAYS I APPRECIATE YOU,

CHIEF, FOR BEING HERE AND FOR YOUR WORK AND YOUR LEADERSHIP. I'M GOING TO PICK UP WHERE THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT LEFT OFF DISCUSSING LEAD AND COLEAD, BUT I FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SEEK A LITTLE BIT OF

CLARITY AND UNDERSTANDING. I'M TRYING TO FIND THIS SLIDE NUMBER HERE. SO FOR THE COLEAD CONTRACT INCREASE HERE THAT YOU'VE GOT UP ON THE SCREEN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS SAYS $1.6 MILLION

INCREASE. AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT IT'S MAINTAINING CAPACITY. AND SO I'M LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT CLARITY. ARE WE ADDING CAPACITY OR ARE WE MAINTAINING CAPACITY. AND THIS REPRESENTS AN

INCREASED COST TO MAINTAIN CAPACITY -- YEAH. SO I CAN ANSWER THAT. COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER. IT IS AN INCREASED COST TO THE CITY TO MAINTAIN OUR CAPACITY. THIS IS REPLACING ONE TIME FUNDING THAT WE DON'T

HAVE ANYMORE THROUGH KING COUNTY. -- THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL. SO THIS IS INCREASED COST FOR US. SAME CAPACITY THAT WE WERE PROVIDING IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A FUND SHIFT THAT THE

THE FUNDED AGENCY IS EXPERIENCING. SO WE ARE COVERING THAT COST SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE CAPACITY. -- ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. -- OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN DO WE KNOW WHAT THIS. -- COUNCILMEMBER. JUST A

SECOND. DIRECTOR PENNUCCI CHAIR. -- AND JUST I, I THINK TO CLARIFY, THOUGH, WE HAVE BEEN PAYING WE PAID FOR THIS CONTRACT THIS YEAR USING ONE TIME FUNDS, AND I BELIEVE LAST YEAR AS WELL, THE CONTRACT

KIND OF SPREAD ACROSS CALENDAR YEARS. AND SO IT'S BEEN FUNDED ONE TIME, MAYBE TWO TIMES AT THE CITY. AND THIS IS PROVIDING THE ONGOING FUNDING. -- AND I WILL ALSO SHARE, JUST AT THE END OF LAST YEAR,

AS THIS TRANSITION WAS OCCURRING, IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I FLAGGED FOR DIRECTOR PENNUCCI AS SHE WAS COMING IN, IS THAT THERE WAS A CONTRACT THAT WE HAD NOT FULLY PAID OUT, AND SO WE WERE

CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED, BUT HAD NOT RECEIVED THE FUNDING. SO WHILE THERE'S A LOT THAT YOU SEE GOING ON HERE, THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WE'RE ALWAYS DOING. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME FACILITATE

AND INTERRUPT. BACK TO YOU, DR. COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER. -- ALMOST MADE ME A DIRECTOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CHAIR STRAUSS. I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE LONGEVITY OF THE MEMORY THERE

AND THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL FOR -- ME BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE OFTEN TALKING ABOUT IS OUR ABILITY TO INCREASE SERVICE DELIVERY. AND SO IT'S

HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT INCREASED FINANCIAL COMMITMENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONGOING COMMITMENT. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS A COUNCIL TO BE CLEAR ON THAT SO THAT AS WE

LOOK FOR AS COUNCIL PRESIDENT, TALKED ABOUT KPIS, WHICH WE SHOULD SEE, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE NOT MAKING AN ADDITIONAL COMMITMENT HERE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO

SEE NECESSARILY AN UPTICK IN PEOPLE SERVED, BECAUSE THIS IS A COMMITMENT TO DO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. SO I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL FOR FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND, AS I'M GOING TO BE MONITORING IMPACT AND

CHANGE OVER TIME OF THIS WORK. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. OKAY. I WANT TO MOVE TO I DON'T SOMETHING YOU SAID PREVIOUSLY CHIEF BARDEN WAS AROUND THE CAPACITY FOR THE FOR THE STAFF AND YOU, I

THINK WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS EARLIER, YOU FELT LIKE FOLKS WERE AT ABOUT 30% UTILITY. AND WE'RE NOW GETTING CLOSER TO 80%. AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOU SHARE MORE ABOUT WHAT'S MADE THE DIFFERENCE IN

THAT. THAT 50% CHANGE OR. WELL, IT'S MORE THAN 50%, BUT GOING FROM 30% TO 80%. -- YEAH. THE SHORT STORY IS WE HAVE ALWAYS NEEDED MORE DEPLOYMENT STRATEGIES. THE IDEA THAT ALL CRISIS CALLS COME THROUGH

911, IT'S JUST NOT QUITE THE RIGHT IDEA, RIGHT? SOME DO, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN GREAT CRISIS, THEY DON'T KNOW THEY'RE IN GREAT CRISIS. THAT'S SORT OF SOMETIMES THE NATURE OF MENTAL HEALTH

CRISIS. AND ALSO SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE DESPONDENT AND ARE NOT MOTIVATED TO CALL ON THEIR OWN BEHALF EITHER NINE, EIGHT, 8 OR 9 ONE ONE. AND SO I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT DESIGNING A SYSTEM WHERE

WE ARE NATURALLY IN THE SPACE OF PEOPLE WHO DESPERATELY NEED HELP AND NEED TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED IN THEIR SUFFERING AND NEED TO BE CONNECTED. THAT IS WHY I'VE ENJOYED OUR LIBRARY CONVERSATION SO MUCH,

BECAUSE I SPEND A LOT OF TIME AT CENTRAL BRANCH, AND I KNOW THAT'S NATURALLY WHERE PEOPLE ARE. AND WHILE PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING INSIDE AND ENGAGING, YOU HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF ACTUALLY GETTING THEM

HELP. I TALK ABOUT THE FOOD BANKS A LOT. RECOVERY CAFE. THERE ARE THESE PLACES WHERE WE KNOW THAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE LIKELY TO WIND UP WORSE OFF IF WE DON'T ACTUALLY HELP THEM TO REDIRECT THEIR LIVES.

AND SO SOME OF IT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THOSE PARTNERSHIPS. M O USE MORE FORMAL COORDINATION WITH RECOVERY CAFE. ONE STORY I LIKE IS WE WERE ACTUALLY PICKING PEOPLE UP FROM PLYMOUTH HOUSING WHO

WANTED TO GO TO RECOVERY CAFE IN SOTO, BUT COULDN'T GET THERE. AND I FELT LIKE, WELL, WE CAN SOLVE FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO DO THAT. THE JAIL PARTNERSHIP IS SO IMPORTANT, 45% OF

THOSE PEOPLE ARE EXITING HOMELESS EVERY SINGLE DAY. WHAT DO WE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN? RIGHT? EVEN IF THEY FOUND SOME STABILIZATION OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF HOPE OR FEELING A LITTLE BIT BETTER? WHAT

PEOPLE TELL ME IS YOU EXIT AND IT'S DEVASTATING. YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO. AND, YOU KNOW, 2 A.M. YOU SORT OF WIND UP IN THE SAME CYCLE. AND I HAVE REAL HEART AND COMPASSION FOR THOSE PEOPLE. AND

PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO LANGUISH AND DIE ON OUR STREETS. AND SO IT'S BEEN THAT IT'S BEEN ACTIVATING THE 6.25, THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE PRESS ZERO FOR A NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT CARE CRISIS RESPONDER. WE STILL

TRIAGE THE SAME AS WE DO IN 911, BUT WHAT IT ALLOWS IS SOMEBODY TO IDENTIFY. NOW, I THINK THAT THIS IS THE CARE TEAM. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I NEED. AND THEN WE SORT OF BACK INTO AND WE DON'T NEED LAW

ENFORCEMENT. RIGHT. AND SO THAT HAS HELPED ABOUT 60 TO 70 CALLS A DAY THAT COME IN THAT WAY. AND THEN ALSO, AGAIN, I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT CHIEF SAYLES AND THE OTHER LEADERS IN SPD REALLY ENCOURAGING LAW

ENFORCEMENT. IF IT'S CLINICAL IN NATURE RADIO, GET THE CARE TEAM OUT THERE, FLAG THEM DOWN. AND THAT HAS IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY THE LAST FEW MONTHS. AND I IT'S HARDER TO MEASURE, BUT I CAN FEEL A

CULTURAL SHIFT THAT'S REALLY POSITIVE. -- THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL JUST MARK MY INTEREST IN THIS. AS WE HEARD EARLIER IN THE YEAR, TO ENSURE

THAT FOR THE THE CARES THAT WE DO HAVE, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE THE IMPACT THAT I KNOW WE ALL WANT TO SEE WITH THE USE OF THOSE FOLKS IN THEIR TIME. SO I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT KIND OF MIX OF THINGS

THAT HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING TO THE INCREASED UTILITY OF THOSE. I WANT TO TURN TO THE NON-EMERGENCY CALL TIME AND THE SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE. I THINK EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION. YEAH, THIS IS PERFECT.

SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE, YOU KNOW, CO-OCCURRENCE IN TERMS OF THE REDUCTION IN THE OVERTIME HOURS AS WELL AS THE REDUCTION IN THE AVERAGE WAIT TIME. I WANTED TO PICK BACK UP SOMETHING. I THINK

COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA WAS GETTING AT EARLIER, WHICH IS WE DO SOMETIMES HEAR FROM CONSTITUENTS WHO SAY, WELL, I WAS WAITING FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, AND I WONDER IF THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY

OUTLIERS, YOU KNOW, OCCUR. AND I KNOW THAT EVEN OUR AVERAGE WITH THOSE OUTLIERS, OUR AVERAGE CONTINUES TO GO DOWN. AND THAT'S GREAT PROGRESS. I'M CURIOUS IF THE DEPARTMENT OR HOW YOU TRACK THE DATA

FOR THOSE SORT OF MAX AND MIN NUMBERS AND WHETHER WE'RE SEEING THOSE GO DOWN AS WELL. -- YEAH. ONE THING THAT OCCURS TO ME AS YOU'RE TALKING IS I REALLY SHOULD PULL THE MEDIAN FOR YOU AS WELL, BECAUSE

IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, AGAIN, YOU DO HAVE OUTLIERS. THE FEEDBACK I GET, IT'S ALWAYS IT'S LIKE YELP REVIEWS, RIGHT? IT'S PEOPLE WHO ARE

THRILLED OR FURIOUS. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO ANALYZE WHAT THE AVERAGE PERSON IS EXPERIENCING. WE DO TRACK CALL STATS. THERE'S A NUMBER OF NATIONAL STANDARDS WE HAVE TO MEET. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM

EVERY SINGLE WEEK. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD, TOMMY. -- YEAH, WE DO ANALYZE THE CALL STATS. WE HAVE RECORDS ON EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN. SO WE KNOW THE PRECISE CALL TIMES, WAIT TIMES FOR

EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN ON ALL OF THOSE LINES. AND IN THE REPORTING THAT WE DO EVERY WEEK, WHICH YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A COPY OF, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE TO YOU. IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE OUTLIERS ARE IN

ALL OF THOSE. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE TREND DATA IS ALSO ALL OF THE AVERAGE WAIT TIME HAS BEEN DECREASING. THE NUMBER OF OUTLIERS HAVE ALSO BEEN DECREASING. AND ALSO REMEMBER THAT THE WAY THE 911

FUNCTIONS, IT'S THE SAME CALL TAKERS THAT ARE ANSWERING NON-EMERGENCY LINE TYPICALLY AS THE THE EMERGENCY CALLS THAT ARE COMING IN. WE DO STAFF DEDICATED NON-EMERGENCY PEOPLE DURING THE HIGHEST PART

OF THE DAY OR THE MOST SIGNIFICANT VOLUME OF THE DAY. BUT AT 2 A.M., THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING. DEDICATED STAFFING, FOR EXAMPLE. AND SO IF THERE'S A LARGE EVENT GOING ON IN THE CITY, WE'RE

GOING TO PRIORITIZE THOSE EMERGENCY CALLS OVER A NON-EMERGENCY TIME. AND THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN SEE LONGER WAIT TIMES. -- THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. AND I MIGHT SUGGEST, IF I MAY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE BACK

WITH US IN THE FUTURE FOR FUTURE BUDGET YEARS, SHOWING THAT THOSE OUTLIER NUMBERS, GIVEN THAT YOU'RE ALREADY TRACKING THEM, IS HELPFUL BECAUSE WE DO HEAR THOSE ISSUES FROM CONSTITUENTS. AND, AND

CLEARLY THAT YOU ALL ARE COMMITTED TO WORKING ON THAT AND CONTINUING TO BRING IT DOWN. BUT SEEING THOSE COME DOWN OR BEING ABLE TO MONITOR THAT, I THINK WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL INFORMATION FOR US TO

HAVE. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP EARLIER. COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA, I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. MY LAST KIND OF QUESTIONS HERE ARE JUST AROUND CHECKING WITH THE CHAIR. MY LAST QUESTION IS HERE, JUST

AROUND SOME OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF THE GUN VIOLENCE STRATEGY AND SOME OF THE CONTRACTS THAT ARE MOVING OVER. SOMETHING I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO I,

HOPEFULLY I DO THE ACRONYM RIGHT, THE C JUST DATA. AND I'M SORT OF CURIOUS ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD BE IN FRONT OF US WITH THE, THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO, BECAUSE BEING AN EMERGENCY

AND PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT AND THE CONTRACTS COMING OVER, I KNOW WE'RE EARLY. THE CONTRACTS ARE COMING OVER IN JANUARY, BUT CAN YOU JUST GIVE US INSIGHT INTO HOW YOU MIGHT BE APPROACHING HAVING BOTH

OF THOSE UNDER ONE ROOF AND WHERE WE COULD SEE POTENTIAL BENEFITS? -- YEAH. THE SHORT STORY IS THE WAY THAT I THINK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CRIME OR CRISIS, I THINK ABOUT

EVERYTHING AS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH RELATED, RIGHT? THAT THESE ARE NOT OUR HEALTHY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CAUSING HARM TO COMMUNITY. THERE. THERE'S A, FOR ME, A DEGREE OF COMPASSION FOR ALL. AND THE OBJECTIVE

IS TO BREAK THE CYCLE, SEND THE RIGHT RESPONSE FIRST OR THE RIGHT INTERVENTION FIRST, BUT THEN ENSURE THAT THE SYSTEM IS ACCOUNTABLE TO REDIRECTING A LIFE. AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S SORT OF BEYOND THE

SCOPE OF MY FIRST RESPONDER POSITION, BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THERE'S CONSISTENT APPLICATION OF THE LAW AND THAT THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO KNOW, AGAIN, THE JAIL HEALTH PILOT IS FANTASTIC

BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY SAYING, ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GOT YOU HERE. WHAT DO YOU NEED? DO YOU QUALIFY FOR APPLE HEALTH? DO YOU NEED A PRESCRIPTION? WHAT HAS THERE BEEN A RISK NEEDS ASSESSMENT? DO YOU HAVE A

PLACE TO GO WHEN YOU EXIT? I THINK IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT WORK HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THE COUNTY, WITH GREAT POTENTIAL TO CHANGE LIVES. WHEN YOU'RE IN A CRISIS ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS THAT FBI CATEGORY

OF SENSITIVE INFORMATION, IT MEANS THAT YOU ARE PROTECTED IN SOME WAYS FROM PUBLIC DISCLOSURE, WHICH IS GOOD FOR VULNERABLE NEIGHBORS. THERE'S A SENSITIVITY. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THE PROGRESS

OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE NEIGHBORS. AND WE ALSO DON'T WANT THAT BROADCAST TO THE PUBLIC WHAT SOMEBODY'S GOING THROUGH WHEN THEY'RE VERY VULNERABLE. AND SO COMING BACK TO THE POTENTIAL, ANYTIME THERE'S

COMMUNITY INVESTMENTS THAT ARE THEN SORT OF PARTNERED WITH SIEGES, ENVIRONMENTS, AN EASY EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF WHEN ACTUALLY THIS HAPPENS, A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GOES OUT TO A CALL, SOMEBODY IS IN

POSSESSION OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IS DEALING, IF THEY CAN SEE IN THEIR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, OH, THIS PERSON HAS A LEAD CASE MANAGER. THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DOING REALLY WELL FOR SIX MONTHS. THIS

LOOKS LIKE A RELAPSE. CAN I CALL CARE? CAN I GET THE LEAD CASE MANAGER CONTACTED TO GET BACK OUT HERE TO INTERVENE QUICKLY. AND IN A PERFECT WORLD, CASE MANAGERS WILL ALSO ADVISE WHEN THEY'RE FAILING.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING. THIS IS GOING FROM BAD TO WORSE. WE'RE GOING TO NEED A LAW ENFORCEMENT INTERVENTION. AND SO THAT IS A POTENTIAL. THERE'S A TECHNOLOGY IN SPD CALLED FORCE METRICS. I

AM IN THAT TECHNOLOGY. AND SO I CAN SEE IF I'M TO PULL OKAY, CRISIS CALLS, THIS PARTICULAR CALL TYPE, WHO ARE THE HIGH UTILIZERS IN THE SYSTEM. THE LAST 30 DAYS, THAT IS REALLY POWERFUL INFORMATION,

ESPECIALLY IF THEN WE CAN ACT ON IT AND START TO PROACTIVELY PROBLEM SOLVE FOR PEOPLE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT'S KIND OF COMPLICATED, BUT I LOVE THE TOPIC. -- I THINK IT DOES. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING

I'LL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND FOR ME, IT'S REALLY AS WE MOVE THESE CONTRACTS, I KNOW THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE ENABLING LEGISLATION FOR THE CARE

DEPARTMENT. LOOKING AT COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS, HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO, THAT WAS. AND AND SO SORT OF MAKING GOOD ON WHAT WAS THIS ORIGINAL INTENT. AND I THINK GIVEN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES IN

LEADERSHIP SINCE THEN, MY CURIOSITY IS HOW DO WE HAVE, AS A CONTRACTS MOVE OVER? OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S THAT'S ADMINISTRATIVE IN A SENSE, AND I HOPE YOU TAKE THAT IN THE WAY THAT IT WAS INTENDED. THAT SORT

OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGE. BUT HOW DO WE ENSURE WE'RE GETTING THE CO-BENEFITS THAT ARE INTENDED FROM THAT CHANGE? THAT'S WHAT IS INTERESTING TO ME. AND I'LL BE TRACKING, AND I JUST GOT ONE MORE

THING ON THIS THAT I'LL JUST FLAG FOR FUTURE EXPLORATION HERE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE ENGAGED WITH SOME OF THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, BUT ALSO WITH THE KING COUNTY REGIONAL OFFICE OF GUN

VIOLENCE PREVENTION. AND, AND THROUGH MY ROLE WHERE I SERVE AS VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF PUBLIC HEALTH, WE HAD THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A PRESENTATION FROM SOME OF THE COORDINATED WORK THAT HAPPENS IN

SOUTH KING COUNTY ALREADY. AND IT'S CLEAR TO ME THERE ARE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR REGION WHO ARE IMPLEMENTING A DIFFERENT APPROACH TODAY. AND SO I'M JUST QUITE CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE CAN LEARN THERE.

AND I WANT TO SAY IT'S CHIEF PADILLA. -- CHIEF PADILLA AND MAYOR DANA RALPH. I ALREADY KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. -- SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE ENGAGEMENT. BUT PLEASE GO AHEAD AND

RESPOND. AND I THINK IT'S AN AREA FOR US TO KEEP EXPLORING. -- ONE THING I HAVEN'T MENTIONED YET IS THAT THE COUNCIL ENABLED US TO INVEST IN SOFTWARE THAT BASICALLY ALLOWS ACCESS BY USER. SO HEALTH

ONE HAS CERTAIN HIPAA CONSTRAINTS. LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIEGES, ACCESS. THERE ARE COMMUNITY PROVIDERS WHO HAVE NEITHER. AND IT'S A TECHNOLOGY THAT AGAIN, KNOWS WHO HAS WHAT ACCESS. AND SO

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW IF WE HAVE INVESTED SOME SUPPORTS IN SOMEBODY, IF THERE IS A MENTOR, WE WE THINK THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED THE RIGHT INTERVENTION. WE NEED TO REFER TO THAT INTERVENTION. SO

I'VE HEARD SEVERAL OF YOU TALK ABOUT THAT. THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE LOTS OF SERVICES, DUPLICATE SERVICES FROM ORGANIZATIONS, AND THEN SOME WHO HAVE NONE. AND WE NEED THE FIRST RESPONDERS,

BUT ALSO THE OUTREACH WORKERS AND CASE MANAGERS TO KNOW THAT. SO THERE IS A TECHNICAL SOLUTION ALSO THAT IS UNDERWAY ACTIVELY. -- THANK YOU CHAIR. -- THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER? COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER.

-- THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. -- THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO CHECK IN WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT EMERITUS JUAREZ AND COUNCILMEMBER SAKA. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS. NOW IS THE TIME. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PRESIDENT EMERITUS. -- THANK YOU. COUNCIL. I MEAN, THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. -- YEAH. YOU GOT. -- MICK JAGGER THERE. SORRY I ALWAYS GET THIS RIGHT. SO LET ME JUST. CHIEF. HOW MANY HOW MANY SPD

HOW MANY CRISIS CALLS DO WE GET NOW, DO YOU REMEMBER? -- DO YOU MEAN CRISIS? LIKE THERE'S ABOUT 13 CATEGORIES OF CALL TYPES. AND THOSE 13 ARE ABOUT 60,000 A YEAR. -- 60,000 A YEAR. A YEAR. -- 60,000 A

YEAR. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT RELATED TO A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CRISIS, IT'S ABOUT HALF THE CALLS. OKAY. BUT THAT'S MANY, MANY, MANY CALL TYPES. SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU'RE DEFINING IT. BUT WHEN WE WERE

ANALYZING WHAT THE CARE RESPONDERS SHOULD GO TO, WHERE WE KNOW BY THE DATA. LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE NEVER INVOLVED OR USEFUL. THERE'S NOT EVEN A CITATION WE CAME UP WITH JUST OVER 57,000 CALLS A YEAR THAT

COULD SAFELY, IMMEDIATELY BE RESPONDED TO BY CARE RESPONDERS. -- WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS BECAUSE SOMEHOW I FOUND ALL MY NOTES FROM OCTOBER, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER 2020 WHEN WE WERE DOING THE JUMP

START AND WHEN WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING CARE. AND MY NOTES REFLECT 17,000 SPD CRISIS CALLS, BUT THAT POLICE SHOULD NOT BE ADDRESSING THESE BUILD A COMMUNITY RESOURCE TO DEESCALATE.

INTERVENE, AND DISRUPT. THAT WAS KIND OF THE BIRTH OF CARE WHEN WE STARTED DOING IS LAUGHING BECAUSE SHE REMEMBERS ALL THIS AND JUMP START AND THE ORIGINAL IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. OH YEAH, I GOT NOTES,

GIRL, I KEEP RECEIPTS. OKAY, I KNOW WHO PEOPLE ARE WHEN AND WHO THEY ARE TODAY. SO UNLESS THEY'VE EVOLVED AND TOLD ME DIFFERENT, I'M GOING TO HOLD TO THAT. SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IS SINCE THE

BEGINNING THAT WE STARTED, AND I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE HAD THESE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS, HOW CARE BIRTHED OR GREW OUT OF POST 2020, THE COMMUNITY'S RESPONSE TO CREATE THIS UPSTREAM PROGRAMS, BUDGETING

STAFF DOUBLING THE STAFF BEING MORE DELIBERATE AND INTENTIONAL IN INTERRUPTING AND BRINGING IN. I KNOW PEOPLE USE THE WORD COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME, BUT WHAT IT REALLY MEANS. SO JUST AND I'LL CLOSE ON

THIS NOTE JUST FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, FROM YOUR VANTAGE POINT, WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN SINCE WE'VE CREATED THIS? NOW 2023 IS WHEN IT ACTUALLY CAME TO FRUITION, AND THEN WE START FUNDING IT MORE. AND, YOU

KNOW, WE FOUGHT HARD. AND I KNOW YOU HAD SOME YOU HAD YOUR, YOUR ISSUES ABOUT THE SPA CONTRACT AND SOME ISSUES THERE AND SOME BARRIERS AND CHALLENGES HOW FAR DO YOU THINK WE'VE COME SINCE THEN? --

WHAT IS THE NICEST QUESTION YOU COULD ASK ME? FIRST, I WOULD SAY THANK YOU. IT IS. I TAKE FOR GRANTED HOW MUCH WE'VE GOTTEN DONE SINCE THAT TIME AND HOW PAINFUL THAT TIME WAS FOR PEOPLE, HOW DIVISIVE

IT WAS. BY THE TIME I ARRIVED IN EARLY 2023, PEOPLE WERE SORT OF CALMED DOWN. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'VE JOKED THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE FUN AND EASY BECAUSE I WAS JUST SAYING, OH, BY THE CALL

DATA, YOU NEED THIS FOURTH BRANCH OF PUBLIC SAFETY. AND YOU, I ALWAYS SAY CONFIGURATION BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY CALLS WHERE I THINK IN A PERFECT WORLD, I WOULD HAVE POLICE, FIRE MEDIC AND A CLINICIAN

ON THAT CALL. IF YOU COULD HAVE THAT STAFFING, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. I THINK THAT WE HAVE THE BEST DESIGN IN THE COUNTRY. ACTUALLY, I REALLY DO. I THINK THAT I BENEFITED TREMENDOUSLY FROM OTHER LEADERS

IN THE FIELD WHO ARE ABOUT TWO YEARS AHEAD, A YEAR AHEAD, AND MY BIAS INITIALLY WAS, LET'S OUTSOURCE EVERYTHING TO THE NONPROFIT SECTOR. AND THEN I SPENT SO MUCH TIME IN NINE, ONE, ONE AND OUT WITH

LAW ENFORCEMENT AND STARTED TO UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN INTEGRATED SYSTEM OF FIRST RESPONDERS WHO CAN RADIO TO ONE ANOTHER, WHO CAN SHARE THE SAME RECORDS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT

RESPONDING TO THE SAME PEOPLE AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS THE CLINICIANS. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THIS LEVEL OF OUTREACH WORKERS. AND NINE ONE, ONE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN IMPERFECT SYSTEM.

SOMEBODY CALLS, THEY'RE GUESSING, THEY'RE DESCRIBING WHAT THEY THINK THEY'RE SEEING. AND SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS TIGHT INTEGRATION. WHAT FIRE GOES OUT MANY TIMES A WEEK AND THEY REALIZE, OH, WE NEED

LAW ENFORCEMENT HERE AS WELL, AT LEAST ON STANDBY. AN IMPORTANT DATA POINT I DIDN'T SHARE WAS THAT IN THE 17000 CALLS, WE'VE ACTUALLY ONLY CALLED POLICE BACK FOR SUPPORT ABOUT 15 TIMES, WHICH IS

STUNNING TO ME. I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED IT TO BE MUCH MORE OFTEN AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S UNPREDICTABLE. BUT IT TELLS ME WE'RE GETTING THOSE PROTOCOLS RIGHT ON THE FRONT LINES. AGAIN. IT'S LIKE, YEAH,

THERE'S UNIONS AND THERE'S BARGAINING, THERE'S CONTRACTS. THE FIRST RESPONDERS ARE BRILLIANT. THEY'RE BRILLIANT. THE WAY THAT THEY WORK TOGETHER. THE MUTUAL RESPECT IS ASTONISHING. AND THE BEST DAYS,

IT'S, YOU KNOW, HEALTH. ONE CALLING THIS TEAM CALLS THIS TEAM. THERE'S MANY CALLS WHERE IT'S ALSO VICTIM SUPPORT TEAM IS THERE. THEY ARE ALL ON THE FRONT LINES DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO HELP OUR

NEIGHBORS. AND THEY'RE COLLABORATIVE AND RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. AND SO I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT SEATTLE SET IT UP THAT WAY. AND I HAVE NEVER HELD A DEFICIT PERSPECTIVE, SETTING UP A NEW BRANCH

OF FIRST RESPONDERS IS BASED ON THE NEED FOR MENTAL HEALTH FIRST RESPONDERS, AND IT NEEDS TO BE IN SUPPORT OF OUR EXISTING FIRST RESPONDERS. AND SO THE EVEN SLOWING THE EXPANSION A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE

SURE THAT THE SYSTEM IS GETTING COORDINATED. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE I AM WORKING TOWARD 50 YEARS FROM NOW, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE ARE JUST ALMOST TO THE THREE YEAR ANNIVERSARY, AND I WANT

THIS DONE IN A WAY THAT CAN ENDURE, THAT MY GRANDKIDS WILL BE LIKE, YEAH, OF COURSE THERE'D BE A CARE RESPONDER GO TO THAT CALL. OF COURSE. AND SO I OVERALL, VERY POSITIVE AND VERY GRATEFUL TO BE PART

OF THIS IMPORTANT MOVEMENT. IT SHOULD BE MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, MEDICS, IT SHOULD BE MORE LIKE FREEDOM HOUSE, WHICH WASN'T A THING. AND THEN EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD, OH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCIPLINE. WE

NEED THAT. AND THEN TEN YEARS LATER IT WAS EVERYWHERE. AND THAT'S HOW IT NEEDS TO BE WITH MENTAL HEALTH. FIRST RESPONDERS. -- I JUST END ON ONE, PLEASE. I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO TO HEAR THIS. AND

SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT THIS WAS BORN OUT OF GEORGE FLOYD, DEFUND THE POLICE POST 2020, COVID. AND I WORKED WITH COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA ON THE SDCI TO GET $10 MILLION OUT THE DOOR, 30 MILLION. 30

MILLION, 30 MILLION OUT THE DOOR. AND SO THIS WAS A TANGIBLE PROGRAM THAT STARTED WITH, WITH, WITH WHAT HAPPENED. AND IT SHOULD HAVE AND I GUESS MY AS YOU KNOW, ME, I WANTED PEOPLE TO SEE THAT WE

HEARD THEM AND WE CREATED THIS AND FUNDED IT AND WANTED TO MOVE IT FORWARD WITHOUT ALWAYS HAVING TO SLAP THE WORD PROGRESSIVE IN FRONT OF IT AND POLITICIZE IT. THAT WE LOOKED AT PEOPLE ON THE GROUND,

YOU KNOW, DISRUPTORS, YOU KNOW WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PROGRAMS UPSTREAM, THINGS THAT ARE THAT EXIST IN REALITY, NOT A POLITICAL SLOGAN. AND THE FACTS. AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE? AND THEN WE GOT

TO THE POINT WHERE, AND ALY REMEMBERS THESE DAYS, AND GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY ARTICULATE WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE, WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN A BUDGET, HOW WE FUNDED IT, HOW WE EXPANDED

IT, HOW WE ARE HERE WITH YOU TODAY AGAIN, TO TALK ABOUT ITS GROWTH, ITS BIRTH, AND WHERE WE'RE GOING AND THAT IT'S WORKING AND THAT AT A TIME, SIX, FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO, PEOPLE DIDN'T THINK THAT WE

COULD DO THAT. AND WE'RE DOING IT. SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS ALL GLOOM AND DOOM. AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE GET, BUT IN THIS WORLD, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR. SO I JUST

WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THERE IS HOPE OUT THERE. AND ONE THING THAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT I WERE FOCUSING ON KIND OF OFFLINE, AND WE'RE HOPING TO LOOK AT MORE IN THE FUTURE IS NOT JUST YOUNG FOLKS WITH

GUNS AFRICAN AMERICAN BOYS AND GIRLS OR BOYS AND HOW THEY'RE ARRESTED, BUT ALSO BEING VICTIMS, BUT ALSO WITHIN THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM IN THE DECLINE HEARINGS, WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE UNDER 18 WHERE

THERE WAS NO DISRUPTER, THERE WAS NO COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA SAYING, WHAT WAS THE TERM AGAIN, INTERVENTION OR WHAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR PROGRAM. -- FOCUSED, -- FOCUS DETERRENCE. IT'S A FANCY WAY OF

SAYING WHERE I GREW UP IS ELDERS AND AUNTIES AND COUSINS THAT CALLED YOU UP AND SAID, YOU KNOW, GET YOUR HOME. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN NOW. YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS TOLD ME YOU WERE OUT HERE OUT

RUNNING THE STREETS, RIGHT? THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT IS. AND SO I'M HOPING IN THE FUTURE, AFTER I LEAVE, THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A FOCUS ON THE JUVENILE COURT SYSTEM IN THE IN THE DECLINE HEARINGS. SO

WE LOOK AT WHERE ARE THESE KIDS WHEN THEY WERE 16 OR 17, PICKED UP A GUN AND SHOT SOMEONE, WENT TO JUVENILE COURT. WE'RE NOW GOING TO BE TRIED AS ADULTS. AND THAT'S THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS A

PUBLIC DEFENDER, I THINK THE SADDEST THING WAS, IS TO REPRESENT A YOUNG MAN IN JUVIE AND THEN GO TO FELONIES AND REPRESENT HIM IN FELONIES, AND THEN BE A JUDGE WHEN THEY'RE FULL FLEDGED ADULT AND

THEY'RE BACK AND I'M SENTENCING THEM AGAIN, I CAN COUNT ABOUT 6 OR 7 INSTANCES OF THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S THE SADDEST THING. AND I WAS JUST TELLING COUNCIL PRESIDENT THIS, ALL OF THESE ARE KIDS OF

COLOR. AND SO WHEN I GO BACK TO THOSE ARE OUR BABIES BEING SHOT. THOSE ARE OUR KIDS PICKING UP GUNS. AND SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I GET A LITTLE IRRITATED. AND THIS IS THE NICE PART ABOUT GETTING OLD IS,

YOU KNOW, YOU BECOME A WITNESS TO A LOT OF THINGS. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. I KNOW IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN A SLOG SINCE 2023. I WANT TO THANK ALY TOO, BECAUSE SHE WAS THERE IN

THE EARLY DAYS TO POST 2020 AND DURING COVID AND COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA AND COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS. SO WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE DID IT. I MEAN, WE WORKED REALLY HARD. SO THANK YOU. -- YEAH. -- THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PRESIDENT EMERITUS, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMITTEE TABLE AT THIS TIME? WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COUNCILMEMBER SAKA NEXT COUNCILMEMBER SAKA. -- THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU, CHIEF BARDEN, FOR

BEING HERE TODAY. REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THE OVERVIEW. THE PRESENTATION AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT. I WAS I WAS BOBBING MY HEAD AND FIRM AGREEANCE WITH COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ COMMENTS. APPRECIATE

THAT. AND FRANKLY, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE ALL THE COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES AGREE WITH ALL EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID AND PLUS ONE ON COUNCIL PRESIDENT'S NOTION ABOUT KPIS BEING IMPORTANT AND,

YOU KNOW, LACK OF CLARITY THERE I TO HAVE LACK OF SOME SOME LACK OF CLARITY ON THAT AND ALSO A RELATED KIND OF CONSTRUCT OF OKRS OBJECTIVE KEY RESULTS. BUT HELP ME, HELP ME BETTER UNDERSTAND CHIEF SO

REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE GREAT WORK GOING ON IN THE IN THE DISTRICT AND ACROSS THE CITY AND WOULD LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO, TO DO MORE. AND, AND I THINK SOME REALLY SPECIFIC THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN TO FULLY

UNLOCK THE CAPABILITIES OF THE, THE, THE CARE DEPARTMENT, AT LEAST WITH RESPECT TO THE RESPONSE CAPABILITY AND BUT I'M GLAD THAT THAT YOU ALL EXIST AND I'M GLAD YOU ALL ARE THERE TO, TO PROVIDE THIS

THIS REALLY GOOD, REALLY GOOD SERVICE. AND WE CAN IMPROVE THROUGH SOME THINGS. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING, DOING A LOT OF WORK. AND I KNOW MY CONSTITUENTS APPRECIATE IT, ESPECIALLY IN HIGH USE

AREAS LIKE GEORGETOWN AND SOTO. SO ON ONE OF YOUR SLIDES, IT SAYS THE CURRENT MODEL IS I THINK IT'S SLIDE 8 OR 7 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TALKS ABOUT THE CURRENT OPERATIONS MODEL. AND AT SEVEN DAYS A

WEEK, PRESUMABLY, AND OUT OF THOSE FIVE LOCATIONS FROM THOSE SPECIFIC HOURS IS, IS THAT IS THAT SEVEN? IS THAT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK -- YES. -- SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. OKAY. SO WITH THE PLAN REDUCTIONS IN

THOSE VACANT POSITIONS. WHAT'S THE LONGER TERM IMPACT LIKELY TO BE? YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO DO SOME THINGS, BE MORE INTENTIONAL AND FOCUS ABOUT KIND OF

SCALING AND ENSURING THE OUTCOMES ARE A LITTLE MORE EFFECTIVE. MAYBE THAT WAS MY, MY INTERPRETATION OF WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I GENERALLY AGREE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DO THESE REDUCTIONS MEAN? BOTH IN

THE SHORT TERM AND ESPECIALLY LONG TERM FOR GROWING AND SCALING THE THE CARE TEAM, IDEALLY, OR POTENTIALLY TO BE A A TRUE 24/7, 365 RESPONSE CAPABILITY, WHICH WOULD MAKE THE DEPARTMENT TRULY CO-EQUAL.

-- YEAH. -- TO FIRE AND AND SPD, WHICH IT IS. BUT YEAH. WHAT'S THE IMPACT? -- YES. WELL, THERE'S NO IMPACT DEVIATING FROM THE SLIDE. SO WE HAVE EXPANDED TO THOSE HOURS CITYWIDE. WE WERE ALWAYS SEVEN

DAYS A WEEK. WE STARTED OUT 12 HOURS A DAY. AND SO NOW WE'VE EXPANDED TO ALL OF THE HOURS. WE'RE THERE ARE MANY, MANY CRISIS CALLS COMING IN BETWEEN THE HOURS OF ABOUT 2 A.M. AND 6 A.M. THERE'S NOT AS

MANY CALLS. AND I WOULD LIKE IN THE SHORT RUN, TO BE ABLE TO REDIRECT SOME OF THOSE CALLS TO THE COUNTY TEAM, WHO IS 24/7. I SHARE THAT URGENT PRIORITY TO GET TO 24/7. I JUST THINK THAT IS SORT OF THE

DEFINITION OF FIRST RESPONDER, RIGHT? IF YOU CALL 911 AT ANY HOUR, ANY PLACE IN THE CITY, YOU CAN GET THIS RESPONSE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE. AND SO NOT EXPANDING BEYOND 32 WILL LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO DO

THAT. I WILL ALSO BE VERY CLEAR AND COLLABORATIVE WHEN WE ARE BEYOND CAPACITY. WE'RE GETTING MORE CALLS THAN WE CAN POSSIBLY TAKE. I WILL LET EVERYBODY KNOW SO THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT THAT IN FUTURE

AS WE BALANCE THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGET AND THINK ABOUT INVESTMENTS, OR SOMETIMES SOMETIMES CARE QUALIFIES FOR GRANTS AND OTHER FUNDING REVENUE SOURCES IN WAYS THAT TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY TEAMS DO

NOT. WE'VE GOTTEN A WHOLE BUNCH OF GRANTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THANKS TO OUR CONGRESS PEOPLE, TO JAYAPAL AND SMITH. AND SO I CAN IMAGINE THAT BEING A SHORT TERM STRATEGY. BUT THESE WILL BE THE HOURS AND

THE DAYS GOING FORWARD WITH THIS STAFF. -- OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO DO A SPECIAL PLUS ONE TO COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA AND HER NON-EMERGENCY LINE COMMENTS. AND PRIOR LEADERSHIP,

CONSISTENT LEADERSHIP ON THAT. IT'S A VITAL SERVICE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO WE NEED TO DO BETTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR. -- THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SAKA COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. I SEE YOU HAVE

HAD A HAND UP. IF YOU CAN BE QUICK, WE'RE. BUT WE'VE GOT SOME TIME. -- THANK YOU. CHAIR, THIS IS JUST IT'S IT'S AN IMPORTANT DAY, CHAIR. SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING US ALL TAKE OUR TIME WITH ASKING

QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY OUR ONE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC WHO REALLY ARE WATCHING. BECAUSE I'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS WHO, WHO ARE WATCHING THESE SESSIONS. SO THANK YOU FOR

THAT. I JUST WANTED TO WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL PRESIDENT FOR HER DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE PREVENTION, INTERVENTION AND ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. AND IT IS ALSO

IMPORTANT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE NATIONAL NETWORKS FOCUSED DETERRENCE, BECAUSE THAT EFFORT WAS BORN OUT OF THIS INTERSECTION BETWEEN THE INTERVENTION AND ENFORCEMENT PIECE, BECAUSE REALLY, IT WAS THIS

IDEA THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY OR WE'VE WE HAVE RESEARCHED AND IDENTIFIED THAT IT IS A VERY SMALL SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION WHO'S ACTUALLY INVOLVED WITH GUN VIOLENCE. SO WHY DON'T WE FOCUS ON THEM? WE KNOW

THAT THEY HAVE NUMEROUS CRIMES THAT THEY'VE COMMITTED. AND SO THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM LEADING INTO INTO INCARCERATION. AND IS THERE A WAY

WE CAN INTERVENE SPECIFICALLY WITH THOSE FOLKS, NOT WITH THE ECOSYSTEM WRIT LARGE ON GUN VIOLENCE, BUT WITH THESE PARTICULAR FOLKS? CAN WE PARTNER SHOULD WE PARTNER WITH COMMUNITY, THOSE MORAL VOICES,

THE AUNTIES AS COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ LIKES TO SAY, I AGREE, WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, THAT'S HOW WE COULD KEPT KIDS, YOU KNOW, ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW. BY THE TIME YOU GOT HOME, SOMEONE MADE A CALL TO

YOUR MOM. IF YOU STEPPED OUT OF LINE AT ALL. SO THOSE MORAL VOICES AND THE PROVIDERS, BECAUSE WE PROVIDE SERVICES AS WE SHOULD AS A CITY, AND THEN ALSO LAW ENFORCEMENT AT THE SAME TABLE AS I DESCRIBED

EARLIER. AND SO I WILL SAY, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT OPERATION CEASEFIRE, THAT WAS ALSO THE SAME PERSON WHO CREATED THE FOCUSED DETERRENCE MODEL. AND IT WAS FIRST PILOTED AS PART OF CEASEFIRE IN 1996 IN

BOSTON. SO IT WAS I KNOW YOU KNOW, YOU RAISED IT EARLIER TODAY. SO I SAY THAT TO SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS PARTICULAR EFFORT IS. AND COLLEAGUES, I ALSO WANTED TO ADDRESS THE NATIONAL NETWORK FOR SAFE

COMMUNITIES. THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY THEM AND NOT SOMEONE ELSE. AND I WILL SAY THAT ONE IS THEY'RE THE EXPERTS. THEY CREATED IT. THE OTHER IS SUBSEQUENT MODELS HAVE HAVE

COME AFTER THAT, BUT THEY DON'T INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE SAME WAY THEY INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED EARLIER. CHAIR BARDEN. I MEAN, CHIEF BARDEN IN THAT THEY MIGHT CONSULT

WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL AT THE SAME TABLE TOGETHER WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL, LITERALLY AT THE TABLE IN THE WAY YOU ARE NOW. SO THAT'S WHY NATIONAL NETWORK, AND TO THE POINT ABOUT, YOU

KNOW, THIS WOULD BE A CONSULTING CONTRACT FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROGRAM, MAYORS HAVE, OVER THE YEARS, DIRECT CONTRACTS WITH CONSULTANTS TO HELP ADVISE AND IMPLEMENT DIFFERENT STRATEGIES. AND I

WILL SAY THIS PARTICULAR MAYOR CONSULTED WITH THEM. WHY YOU ON THE CCTV STUDY AND WHY YOU IS ONE OF MANY CONSULTANTS, BUT THAT'S THE ONE SHE CHOSE TO PARTNER WITH. LOOKING AT THE FAS WEBSITE, IT LOOKS

LIKE IT WAS AUTHORIZED TO BE UP TO $233,000. AND SO AND SHE WENT WITH NYU BECAUSE PRESUMABLY SHE LIKED THEIR PROGRAM. THIS IS NOT DISSIMILAR TO THAT. AND I AGAIN, I SAY THIS TO SAY, IF FOLKS DON'T

WANT TO WORK, IF THE MAYOR DOESN'T WANT TO WORK WITH THE NATIONAL NETWORK, SHE SHOULD SAY SO. BUT THE IDEA THAT THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, MAYORS DIRECT CONTRACT WITH CONSULTANTS

FOR SERVICES. WHY? BECAUSE THEY TRULY ARE THE EXPERTS AND THEY WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE WAY WE SHOULD BE WORKING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AS A PARTNER AT THE TABLE. SO I REALLY WANTED TO SAY THAT,

BUT ALSO THANK COUNCIL PRESIDENT FOR HER DISTINCTION, BECAUSE WE'VE DONE A LOT IN THE PREVENTION SPACE, A LOT IN THE INTERVENTION SPACE, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS FOCUSED DETERRENCE THING. CARIBE WAS

BORN OUT OF THE AUDIT. I'M SORRY, NOT CARE. THE THE TRANSFERRING THE WORK TO CARE WAS BORN OUT OF THE AUDIT. SO WAS THIS FOCUSED DETERRENCE PIECE DESCRIBED IN THIS WAY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT,

SPECIFICALLY. AND WE HAVEN'T IMPLEMENTED THAT, BUT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THE NAO THIS YEAR STARTING TO BRING THE CONTRACTS OVER. AND THEN A CHAIR. I KNOW WE HAVE TO MOVE ON, BUT FOR THE RECORD, I JUST

WANT TO SAY I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THEM. WHAT CONTRACTS ARE ACTUALLY COMING OVER TO CARE? BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT CERTAIN CONTRACTS ARE COMING OVER, WHICH LEADS ME TO

BELIEVE THIS IS NOT FULLY BAKED, BUT WE CAN FOLLOW UP OFFLINE BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S STAYING AT HSD AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY MOVING TO CARE AND WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS FOR THE CARE

DEPARTMENT. WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ON THE EXPECTATION SO THAT WE KNOW ABOUT, AS MANY OF US HERE HAVE SAID, THE OUTCOMES. AND IF WE'RE NOT CLEAR, THEN WE WON'T KNOW WHAT OUTCOMES TO TRACK. -- I SHOULD

CLARIFY THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE EXPERT. I HAVE SEEN THE NINE CONTRACTS THAT ARE COMING OVER THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS. I HAVE NOT EVEN MET WITH THE PROVIDERS YET, SO I AM NEW. I CAN SEE THE LINE ITEMS AND THE

BUDGET AND UNDERSTAND, OKAY, THIS IS VIOLENCE INTERRUPTION. BUT TO YOUR VERY FIRST POINT, PEOPLE OFTEN USE A SERIES OF WORDS TO MEAN MANY, MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. AND SO I'M NOT CLEAR WHO IS DOING WHAT

AND WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THAT'S JUST MY IGNORANCE. IT IS KNOWN IN HSD, JUST NOT BY ME. YET. -- THANK YOU. -- SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET CLARITY ON THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. -- THANK

YOU. COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA IT COLLEAGUES WHO ARE NEW. I GUESS IT'S EDDIE. COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER AND LIN. IT'S NEW. YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS THAT I WILL START GOOGLE MAPPING OUR TIME OF EXIT

AT. CURRENTLY, IF WE CONTINUE ON THIS TRAJECTORY, WE WILL BE HERE TILL FIVE. SO THE. FROM HERE ON OUT, I'M GOING TO ASK. EVERYONE GETS ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. I

HAVE POTENTIALLY UP TO 15 MINUTES OF CONVERSATION. SO THAT'S PART OF WHY I WAS ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT QUICKER. SO I MIGHT MAKE A LOT OF STATEMENTS AND JUST PUT MY QUESTIONS ON THE RECORD FOR US TO

FOLLOW UP ON IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. AND YES, MY TIMER IS ON. AND YES, MY TIMER COUNTS YOUR RESPONSES AS THE TIME THAT I HAVE OCCUPIED HERE IN COMMITTEE. I WANT TO START WHERE COUNCIL PRESIDENT

EMERITUS JUAREZ LEFT OFF TALKING ABOUT THE 6 OR 7 YOUTH THAT SHE HAD IN IN HER LIFE THAT HAD PUT A LOT OF BODIES ON THE GROUND. I WAS SPEAKING TO ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL YESTERDAY OF A NEIGHBORING

CITY TO SEATTLE ABOUT THE YOUTH GUN VIOLENCE THAT'S OCCURRING, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST WITHIN OUR CITY BOUNDARIES. IT'S YOU KNOW, WE'VE READ THE STORIES ABOUT THE TWO KIDS WALKING IN. I BELIEVE IT WAS

TUKWILA OR SEATAC, WHERE ONLY ONE CAME HOME. AND WE'VE BEEN READING THE NEWS ABOUT ALL THESE, THESE KIDS WITH GUNS AND THE PERSON I WAS TALKING TO YESTERDAY MENTIONED THE PERSON THAT THEY KNOW WHO IS

UNDER 18 AND HAS ALREADY KILLED FIVE PEOPLE AND IS STILL ON THE STREETS WE GOT TO GET THE GUNS OUT OF THESE KIDS HANDS. IT I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE TO SAY. I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND PEPPER YOU WITH

QUESTIONS ON THE WHO, HOW, WHY. I'LL JUST SAY THAT I DON'T CARE WHOSE BRIGHT IDEA IS WHAT, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT ALL. IT'S THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS. IT'S THE FOOD. IT'S THE INTERVENTIONS. IT'S THE

WHATEVER THE PHRASE IS DETERRED INTERVENTION OR DIFFERENTIAL INTERVENTION, FOCUSED INTERVENTION. IT'S THE METAL DETECTORS AT SCHOOLS. WHEN THE KIDS ARE ASKING FOR IT, IT'S THE CAMERAS OUTSIDE THE

SCHOOLS. WHEN THE KIDS ARE ASKING FOR IT, IT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE. BECAUSE WHEN THE KIDS ARE ASKING FOR SAFETY, GETTING HOME. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. SO THAT'S WHAT I'LL SAY TO THAT. AND

SO THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU SAID IT EARLIER, I COULD TALK ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE ALL DAY. I SAID RIGHT BACK AT YOU BECAUSE I STARTED WHEN I STARTED WORKING IN GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION HERE IN WASHINGTON STATE,

DEMOCRATS IN THE LEGISLATURE WOULD NOT ALLOW A HEARING TO OCCUR IN COMMITTEE ABOUT EXTREME RISK PROTECTION ORDERS. THAT WAS TEN YEARS AGO. AND SO I APPRECIATE WHERE LEGISLATIVELY WE HAVE COME. BUT

WHEN KIDS ARE DYING ON THE STREETS AND WHEN THEY'RE SHOOTING EACH OTHER, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AT SEATTLE CENTER IS WHAT HAPPENED. RAINIER BEACH WHAT THIS WEEKEND, LAST WEEKEND, IT FELT LIKE

YESTERDAY. -- ALWAYS EVERY DAY. -- EVERY DAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE SERIOUSNESS THAT WE GOT TO TAKE THIS WITH. AND I, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS UNDER YOUR UMBRELLA, BUT IN MY DECADE IN GUN

VIOLENCE PREVENTION WORK, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF INFIGHTING AND I'VE GOT NO PATIENCE FOR IT. THE ONLY THING THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE IS GETTING THE WORK DONE AND THAT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE

AND ORGANIZATIONS BECOME DEFENSIVE AND TURF CREATE TURF, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THAT. IN MY OPINION. MOVING ON, I WILL SAY THAT EVERY TIME I'VE CALLED 911, I'VE FOUND YOUR CALL TAKERS TO BE PROFESSIONAL

AND VERY HELPFUL. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I DID NOT PREP LIKE COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA DID, BUT I DID HAVE A SITUATION IN THE DISTRICT SIX FIVE, DISTRICT FIVE SIX UP THERE AT SANDOWN PARK THAT GOT

GERRYMANDERED OUT OF MY DISTRICT WHERE WE HAD BOUNTY HUNTERS WHO CALLED 911 TO LET THE POLICE KNOW WHAT THEY WERE UP TO, AND THAT CALL NEVER MADE IT TO NORTH PRECINCT. HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE

CHANGES TO ENSURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN? -- YEAH, WE ADDRESS THAT ONE QUICKLY. THAT WAS JARRING. SO I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR OFFICE ABOUT THAT. -- FANTASTIC. AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT

I'LL JUST ADD TO SHAREPOINT SO THAT I DON'T ACTUALLY TAKE UP 15 MINUTES OF CONVERSATION, BUT IN MY PERSPECTIVE, THE CARE DEPARTMENT IS NOT AN ALTERNATIVE. IT IS A RESPONSIVENESS. IT IS A PROGRAM. IT'S

A PRACTITION. I'M GOING TO JUST FROM HERE ON OUT FOR. AND I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE ON THE SIDE. BUT IF PEOPLE SAY CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT POLICE ALTERNATIVES, I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU

TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN ALTERNATIVE. THIS IS A RESPONSE, IN MY OPINION AND I'LL SHARE THAT THROUGHOUT TODAY. WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT FISCAL REASONS FOR REDUCING INVESTMENTS, AND

IT'S A PAUSE, NOT A STOP OR IT IS A WITH WHAT IS WITHIN OUR FISCAL ABILITY WHERE I'M CHALLENGED TODAY IS FOR BOTH THE POLICE, FOR CARE, SPECIFICALLY, WE'LL GET TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN JUST A MINUTE.

BUT FOR BOTH OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, WE HAVE BEEN IN A PLACE OF MOMENTUM BUILDING, AND MOMENTUM IS NOT BUILT. IT'S NOT AN ON OFF SWITCH. MOMENTUM IS BUILT OVER TIME. AND I HAVE SEEN IN GOVERNMENT

WHERE A TWO WEEK DELAY TO A PROGRAM HAS. IT WAS JUST SUPPOSED TO BE TWO WEEKS. AND WE'RE NOT TALKING PANDEMIC STUFF. WE'RE TALKING VERY NORMAL STUFF. A TWO WEEK DELAY CREATED A TWO YEAR PAUSE. AND SO

WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FROM ME THROUGHOUT ALL OF THESE THREE DEPARTMENTS AND MORE IS MY WORRY ABOUT MOMENTUM BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN COUNCIL'S INTENTION SINCE 2021 THAT CARE DEPARTMENT IS IN EVERY

SECTOR OF THIS CITY IS 24/7, IS RESPONSIVE IN QUICK MANNER, IS ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE CALLS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM WITHOUT QUESTION, ALL OF THIS, AND THAT'S WHERE I HAVE CONCERN TODAY. BECAUSE

IF IT TAKES WAITING FOR THE NEXT MIDYEAR SUPPLEMENTAL, THAT IS, I'M TEASING HERE, SUPPOSED TO BE HERE BY JUNE 20th. BUT THEN WE FINALLY VOTED OUT BY AUGUST, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT'S FINALLY IMPLEMENTED

IN FALL. LIKE THIS IS WHERE MY MOMENTUM CONCERN COMES IN. AND SO I APPRECIATE THE FISCAL PERSPECTIVE ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU'RE SHARING WITH US ALL DAY TODAY. BUT I GET CONCERNED WHEN WE

TALK ABOUT OR WHEN WE DON'T DISCUSS HOW A TWO WEEK PAUSE CAN CREATE A TWO YEAR DELAY, HOW. AND I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH HOW YOU ARE THOUGHTFULLY PUTTING TOGETHER YOUR TEAMS ABOUT THE CRS AND HOW WHAT

YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW AND WHERE YOU CAN BUILD TO. AND HOLDING THOSE POCKETS IN, IN LEGISLATION, BUT NOT FILLING THEM. I APPRECIATE THE PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, BUT I'M JUST SHARING MY CONCERN TODAY BECAUSE A

PAUSE CAN CREATE A DELAY, A PAUSE CAN, CAN OFTENTIMES INADVERTENTLY, UNEXPECTEDLY, AND UNINTENTIONALLY CREATE A STOP. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LOSE MOMENTUM. I DON'T WANT TO SEE

THE CARE DEPARTMENT LOSE MOMENTUM. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LOSE MOMENTUM. THESE SERVICES ARE ALSO CRITICAL TO ME. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMITTEE. -- I WOULD JUST I HAD NEVER

CONSIDERED THAT MOMENTUM POINT, AND I THINK IT'S VERY INTELLIGENT AND I APPRECIATE IT. -- THANK YOU. AND I'LL WRAP UP HERE. WOW. I AM ALMOST TAKING 15 MINUTES. MY APOLOGIES. JUST TO SAY THAT THE LEAD

AND THE COLEAD COMING INTO YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. I WILL JUST SAY, AS FAR AS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT FRAMEWORKS AND WE ARE LOOKING AT GEOGRAPHICALLY SPECIFIC PLACES

TO MAKE THOSE TYPES OF INTERVENTIONS, IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THE CARE DEPARTMENT INVOLVED, I BELIEVE I SAW DR. NICOLE SOMEWHERE AROUND HERE. MAYBE SHE TOOK OFF, BUT SHE'S JUST BEEN SO HELPFUL.

AND SO THIS WAS A VERY HELPFUL TRANSITION THAT OCCURRED LAST YEAR. AND I'M EXCITED TO CONTINUE BUILDING THAT MOMENTUM. SO I'LL GIVE IT OVER TO THE COMMITTEE TABLE FOR LAST WORDS, BECAUSE CHAIR KETTLE

IS NOT HERE RIGHT NOW. THIS WILL BE THE LAST WORD. AND THEN WE'LL SWITCH. -- IF I MAY. I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO BOTH YOU, CHAIR STRAUSS AND YOU, COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA, ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS WITH THE

SPECIFIC 911 CALLS THAT YOU MENTIONED. AND I JUST WANTED TO UNDERLINE THE SERIOUSNESS OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE TALK ABOUT WITH OUR CALL TAKERS AND OUR TRAINING,

BECAUSE WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY IS OFTEN DEALING WITH PEOPLE ON THE WORST DAY OF THEIR LIVES. PARDON ME. AND WE GET IT RIGHT. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME WE TAKE ABOUT 900,000 CALLS A YEAR. AND SO THE

EVIDENCE, THE DATA IS TELLING US WE GET IT RIGHT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME, BUT WE'RE NOT PERFECT. MOST OF OUR CALL TAKERS HAVE BEEN THERE LESS THAN TWO YEARS, SO THAT'S OVER 50%. SO IT'S A VERY

YOUNG GROUP AND IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR A CALL TAKER TO REALLY BECOME VERY SEASONED WITH ANYTHING THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, COME ACROSS IN THEIR DAY. BECAUSE WHILE SOME CALLS HAPPEN QUITE

FREQUENTLY AND THEY'RE VERY FAMILIAR, LIKE MAYBE AN AUTOMOTIVE THEFT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OTHER EVENTS ARE VERY INFREQUENT. AND SO THEY STILL HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE ALL OF THOSE. SO I JUST

WANTED TO ECHO THAT. WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF ALL OF THOSE. SO WE LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE SITUATIONS AND TRY AND LEARN FROM IT EVERY TIME. -- WONDERFUL. THANK

YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK. WE'RE GOING TO NOW MAKE THE TRANSITION. SO COLLEAGUES, YOU NEED A QUICK BREAK. NOW IS THE TIME WE'LL BE AT EASE UNTIL SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR PRESENTATION UP.

AND BEFORE YOU TAKE OFF, I WANT TO THANK YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 9:30 A.M. WITH US. YOU'VE BEEN WAITING HERE ALL. -- DAY. -- THOUGH, AND SO I JUST APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE EARLY. AND AS WE'RE

MAKING THIS TRANSITION. OH, YOU CAN JUMP IN. BUT ALSO THE SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS ALSO READY THIS MORNING TO JUMP IN EARLIER THAN SCHEDULED. AND I JUST APPRECIATE THEIR FLEXIBILITY AS WELL. SO WE

ARE AT EASE UNTIL SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMES ON UP. THANK YOU EVERYONE. -- THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. -- YOU'RE FINE. -- DID YOU SEE ME? I WAS TRYING -- [LAUGHTER] -- TO GET. -- OF COURSE. --

HEY, NATE. OH, I NEED TO STRETCH. YEAH. -- SHE KEEPS ALL THE RECORDS. NO. I'M FINE. I'M GOING TO GO -- [LAUGHTER] -- WITH MY ORIGINAL JUMPSTART 20 THIS OCTOBER. EDDIE. -- NO, WE'RE NOT AT EASE

ANYMORE. -- I KNOW. -- WHERE ARE MY COUNCILMEMBERS? WE'RE READY TO GO. -- YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TOLD. -- US THEN. NO, I'M NOT DOING THAT EVER AGAIN. THAT WAS IT. ONE TIME DEAL. ALL RIGHT. GOOD TO SEE

YOU. EDDIE. SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID IT. THAT'LL TEACH ME. FOOL ME ONCE, FOOL ME TWICE. ALL RIGHT. CHIEF SCOGGINS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING FLEXIBLE THIS MORNING, HELEN. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP AS

WELL. -- NO WORRIES. THANK YOU FOR THE FLEXIBILITY. -- ABSOLUTELY. HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE YOU OUT BY FIVE. -- NO RUSH. -- I AM I AM HOPING WE WILL HAVE YOU OUT BY FIVE. MY TIMER'S NOT ON FOR ME THOUGH.

RIGHT NOW. THIS IS FREE TIME. THIS IS FREE TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HERE. -- YOUR TIME NOT. -- IF MY TEAM IS WATCHING FROM MY OFFICE. CAN YOU START WALKING THE HALL? GET FOLKS COMING BACK TO COUNCIL.

WE'VE GOT. AND I'VE GOT COUNCILMEMBER SAKA. WE'VE GOT LIN STRAUSS HOLLINGSWORTH. AS SOON AS THE NEXT COUNCILMEMBER COMES BACK INTO. THE CHAMBERS, WE WILL ROLL OH, MAN. AND WE LOST ANOTHER ONE. RIVERA.

OH, I SEE. -- YEAH. OKAY. -- OR ALL OF THEM. GETTING A LITTLE PUNCHY ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON. IT'S A SERIOUS. IT'S A SERIOUS DAY AND LAUGHTER IS STILL IMPORTANT. -- NO, NO. I'M GOOD. -- THOUGH. --

BECAUSE I KEEP DROPPING THEM. -- I TRIED TO GIVE YOU A BINDER. -- YEAH. -- IF IT'S IN FRONT OF ME. -- I'M NEVER DOING THAT. -- AGAIN. -- THAT'S TRUE. -- I FEEL LIKE BRITNEY SPEARS JANET JACKSON, LIKE

THAT'S WHAT I LISTEN TO ON ROB. -- THANK YOU FOR BEING PUNCTUAL. -- I'M GOING BACK. SHE'S GOING ON TOUR. SHE SHE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CONCERTS I WENT TO. JANET JACKSON'S GOING ON. -- AND FOR YOUR

AWARENESS, FOLKS, MIKES ARE HOT AND IT IS BROADCASTING. -- OKAY, GREAT. -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW THAT. -- I SAW HER IN 1991. -- PEOPLE JUST LEARNED ABOUT OUR LOVE OF JANET JACKSON. -- I CAN'T HEAR

YOU, BUT SEATTLE CHANNEL CAN. -- THAT'S A GREAT WESTERN FORUM. IN 1991. THAT'S THE LAST TIME I SAW JANET JACKSON -- I THINK I SAW HER. -- JOY CAN YOU GO WALK THE HALL AND GET EVERYONE BACK HERE? THANK

YOU. -- I THINK IT WAS MADONNA WAS. WERE YOU EXPECTING A PHONE CALL. -- WHEN DID HE. -- KNOW? CHIEF, ARE YOU EXPECTING ANYONE TO JOIN YOU ON ON ZOOM? NO. IS IT DEBORA? -- THEY'RE HERE, THEY'RE HERE.

THEY'RE NOT. THEY'LL WATCH. -- YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK DEBORA STAFF. -- IS THERE SOMEONE TRYING TO SIGN IN ON ZOOM OR JUST A PHONE CALL OR SOMETHING? I'M NOT SURE. OH. GOT HIM. -- THANK YOU. OKAY. --

AND WE ARE OUT OF EASE. SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO THE SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT. CHIEF SCOGGINS IS HERE WITH US AS WELL. I SHOULD PROBABLY BRING UP MY SCRIPT IF THE CLERK CAN READ ITEM NUMBER

THREE INTO THE RECORD. WE'VE GOT CHIEF SCOGGINS AND TRICIA, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. -- AGENDA ITEM THREE, SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION. -- THANK YOU. AND

BEFORE YOU BEGIN, CHIEF, FOR MY COLLEAGUES, WE'RE NEVER DOING THAT AGAIN. THAT TOOK TOO LONG. THANK YOU. OVER TO YOU, CHIEF. -- ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE

INFORMATION ABOUT SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL JUST DO A COUPLE OF QUICK INTRODUCTIONS SO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO. HAROLD SCOGGINS FIRE CHIEF. -- TRICIA

ELLERMEIER, FINANCE DIRECTOR. -- AND BEFORE WE CLICK THROUGH THE SLIDES, I THINK I ALWAYS INVITE YOU ALL SOMEWHERE WHEN I COME. SO I'M GOING TO STICK TO THAT. IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE NEXT FRIDAY MORNING,

I OCTOBER 2nd AT 9:30 A.M. WE'LL BE DOING OUR ANNUAL FALLEN FIREFIGHTERS MEMORIAL IN OCCIDENTAL PARK AT A MEMORIAL DOWN THERE. THAT'S A PLACE WHERE WE TAKE THE TIME TO REMEMBER ALL THE SEATTLE

FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAVE BEEN LOST IN THE LINE OF DUTY. AND WE HAVE A CEREMONY, AND WE READ ALL OF THE NAMES BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE REMEMBER FOLKS, WHEN WE SAY THEIR NAMES OUT LOUD. SO IF YOU'RE

AVAILABLE, PLEASE COME DOWN TO PIONEER SQUARE 930. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET MOVING. AS ALWAYS, I LIKE TO START WITH HITTING THE REFRESH BUTTON ON WHY WE'RE HERE. OUR MISSION STATEMENT IS WHAT

DRIVES US. IT TALKS ABOUT US PROTECTING PROPERTY, SAVING LIVES AND THE ENVIRONMENT. AND WE'RE ANCHORED IN THAT. AND EVERYTHING WE DO. AND THE SECOND SENTENCE IS ALWAYS VERY MEANINGFUL TO ME. AND IT'S

PROBABLY RELEVANT FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION. WE RESPOND IMMEDIATELY WHEN ANY MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS OUR SUPPORT. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERY MEMBER OF THE SEATTLE

FIRE DEPARTMENT FOCUSES ON DAY IN AND DAY OUT, AND LIVING OUT OUR MISSION AND WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS A LAYOUT OF THE SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OUR RESOURCE DISTRIBUTION. WE HAVE 33 FIRE

STATIONS, 32 ENGINES, 12 LADDER TRUCKS, EIGHT MEDIC UNITS, FIVE AID UNITS, 24 HOUR AID UNITS. AND THE SLIDE ACTUALLY SAYS TWO PEAK TIME AID UNITS. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY THREE BECAUSE LAST YEAR WHEN WE

WERE HERE, WE HAD MADE THE REQUEST TO ADD MORE AID UNITS. I THINK WE HAD 3 OR 4 ON THE TABLE, BUT WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN ADDING A 12 HOUR PEAK TIME AID UNIT AT FIRE STATION 25 ON CAPITOL HILL, AND JULY

1st, THAT UNIT WENT INTO PLAY, AND IT'S RUNNING A LOT OF CALLS BECAUSE STATION 25 IS A VERY BUSY PLACE. THAT EIGHT UNIT RUNS ABOUT 6500 CALLS. THE ENGINE ALMOST 5000. AND THAT LADDER TRUCK, ABOUT

3500. SO THAT WAS VERY NEEDED. WE ALSO HAVE THREE HEALTH ONE UNITS FOR FIRE BOATS. AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THOSE TODAY. TWO AIR TRUCKS AND TWO HOSE WAGONS. AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE OUR

STATION DISTRIBUTION AROUND THE CITY VERY EVENLY DISTRIBUTED AND GIVES US A CHANCE TO GET TO MOST CALLS IN A TIMELY MANNER. AND THE NEXT SLIDE GIVES US A CALL OF OUR FIRE ALARM CENTER CALLS THAT COME

IN THE BREAKDOWN. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S A VERY BUSY PLACE, AND WE PROJECTED OUT TO 2027. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IN ABOUT 184,000 CALLS. AND THAT'S A PRETTY BUSY PLACE. WE

GENERALLY HAVE EIGHT FIREFIGHTER DISPATCHERS AT THE FIRE ALARM CENTER, 24/7. THEY WORK A FOUR PLATOON SYSTEM, JUST LIKE OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND ALL OF OUR STATIONS. AND THAT SEEMS TO WORK REALLY WELL FOR

US IN GETTING CALLS IN AND OUT. NOW WE REALLY WORK HARD TO COMPLY WITH NFPA 1225 THAT'S OUR NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION. 1225 THAT IS THE STANDARD THAT GUIDES CALL TAKING FOR THE FIRE

SERVICE. WE HAVE GOALS THAT WE TRY TO MEET. WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THERE. IS TAKING IN THE CALL, ANSWERING THE CALL IN 15 SECONDS OR LESS AND GETTING THE CALLS DISPATCHED IN 60s OR LESS. SO THOSE ARE THE

GOALS THAT ARE SET FOR THE FIRE SERVICE. AS FOR CALL TAKING, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THEN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IS OUR TOTAL RESPONSES. AND SEATTLE FIRE IS ARE VERY, VERY BUSY DEPARTMENT. WE

RUN A LOT OF CALLS AND WE'RE BUSY. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT, YOU CAN SEE THE DOWN YEAR IN 2021. THAT WAS A COVID EXPERIENCE. IF WE WOULD INCLUDE IT 2020, IT WOULD HAVE SAID ABOUT 79 CALLS. BUT WE

STARTED TO GET BACK TO NORMAL IN 2021, AND WE QUICKLY STARTED RISING ANNUALLY, AND WE ADDED SOME OTHER BARS ON THERE THAT WE THINK IS RELEVANT BECAUSE WE HAVE ADDED SOME HELP TO OUR SYSTEM, BECAUSE IF

WE WOULD NOT HAVE ADDED OUR NIH, WHICH IS OUR HEALTH ONE HEALTH, 99 UNITS, ALL OF THAT GREEN BAR WOULD BE ON TOP OF THE BLUE BAR. SO THAT GIVES US AN OPTION. I'M SORRY, THE THE ORANGE BAR, THOSE ARE

OUR NIH CALLS. THE GREEN BAR IS OUR NURSE LINE CALLS. THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. WE PUT THAT IN PLAY FEBRUARY IN 2022. AND THAT ALLOWED US ANOTHER OPTION TO SEND THOSE LOWER LEVEL EMS CALLS TO SO THEY

CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A NURSE LINE. BUT BEFORE 2022, ALL OF THOSE CALLS WOULD HAVE BEEN DISPATCHERS. SO THAT WOULD HAVE REALLY EXTENDED THE BLUE BAR. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE GROWTH THAT'S EXPECTED THIS YEAR

AND NEXT YEAR. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE PACE WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S A BUSY PLACE OUT THERE FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS. WE RUN A LOT OF CALLS AND TRICIA AND I WERE GOING TO TAG TEAM THIS. SO THIS IS

WHEN I THINK I HAND IT TO YOU. -- YEP. -- GOOD AFTERNOON. SO AS THE CHIEF WAS MENTIONING, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PROVIDES FIRE PROTECTION PREVENTION, TECHNICAL RESCUE, AND OF COURSE EMERGENCY MEDICAL

SERVICES FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. SO TO HELP ADDRESS THE CITY'S LONG TERM GENERAL FUND DEFICIT, OUR PROPOSED BUDGET DOES REDUCE THE DEPARTMENT'S OVERTIME OPERATING BUDGET BY 7.1 MILLION. THE NET REDUCTION

IN 2027 IS 2% OF OUR TOTAL DEPARTMENT BUDGET. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE TABLE BELOW IN 2026, OUR ADOPTED BASELINE IS ABOUT 350 MILLION. IN 2027, IT DROPS TO 346 AND THEN BACK UP IN 2028. SO THAT REDUCTION

IS OFFSET PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF OUR CITY WIDE STANDARD COST INCREASES, SUCH AS HEALTH CARE WORKERS COMP AND SMALLER INCREASES FOR IT SERVICES AND FAS. -- AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FTE COUNT AND. --

YEAH. -- OKAY. MOST OF THAT FTE COUNT IS SWORN FIREFIGHTERS WHO ARE RESPONDING OUT THE DOOR. SO YOU SEE THE NUMBER IN 2020 612. 1220 AND THEN IT BUMPS UP A LITTLE BIT. AND WE'LL GET INTO THE REASON

WHY THAT'S BUMPING UP. BUT THE BULK OF ALL OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE SWORN FIREFIGHTERS, PROBABLY 1110. AND THAT NUMBER WILL BE BUMPING UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. SO THAT'S WHAT THE FTE COUNT IS -- THANKS,

CHIEF. OKAY. -- WE'LL TALK NEXT ABOUT THE REDUCTION. SO AS I SAID EARLIER, WE ARE REDUCING OUR OPERATING OVERTIME BY 7.1 MILLION. SO THIS CHANGE REFLECTS THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE IN. WHILE

STILL MAINTAINING OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THAT EMERGENCY RESPONSE SERVICE HOWEVER, THIS REDUCTION REQUIRES THE DEPARTMENT TO MANAGE STAFFING WITHIN THOSE AVAILABLE RESOURCES. SO THAT INCLUDES PLANNED

UNIT OUTAGES. SO IF UNITS ARE TEMPORARILY OUT OF SERVICE, THE DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THOSE CORE SERVICES. FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE WITH THE APPARATUS AND THE STAFF WE HAVE ON HAND. --

YEAH. AND TO GIVE A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE HERE, YOU MAY SAY, WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE A $7.1 MILLION BUDGET REDUCTION, OUR DAILY STAFFING NEEDS TO GO FROM

222 PER DAY TO 209 PER DAY. SO THAT'S 13 BODIES THAT WILL NOT BE STAFFED EACH DAY. NOW, THAT'S NOT TAKING A SINGLE UNIT OUT OF SERVICE. SO I NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS. SO YOU HAVE CONTEXT. SO OUR 222

FIREFIGHTERS WE HAVE ON DUTY EVERY DAY. THEY GET VACATION TIME. THEY HAVE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY YOUNG DEPARTMENT AND WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF NEW BABIES. JUST TO GIVE YOU PERSPECTIVE. WE HAVE

HIRED ABOUT 630 FIREFIGHTERS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN 11 YEARS. WE HAVE TRULY GONE THROUGH A DEPARTMENT TRANSITION, SO WE'VE BEEN BUSY HIRING. SO THEY HAVE PEOPLE, THEY HAVE SICK LEAVE, THEY HAVE

DISABILITY. AT ANY GIVEN TIME, WE HAVE BETWEEN 4 AND 7% OF THE DEPARTMENT ON SOME SORT OF DISABILITY. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, MOST ARE MUSCULOSKELETAL. WE DO A LOT OF STRANGE MOVING WITH A LOT OF HEAVY

EQUIPMENT. AND THEN THERE'S A NUMBER OF THOSE PTSD. SO DROPPING FROM 222 TO 209 WILL BE DONE BY NOT HIRING OVERTIME. AND OVERTIME IS A BIT MISLEADING. IT HELPS US ACHIEVE OUR MINIMUM STAFFING. WHEN

YOU THINK OVERTIME, YOU THINK OF ANCILLARY DUTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT FOR US, THE BULK OF OUR OVERTIME IS MINIMUM STAFFING. ONLY ABOUT 6 TO $7 MILLION IS OTHER TYPES OF OVERTIME THAT WE GET

GRANT FUNDING FOR. WE HAVE CONTRACTS WITH THE STADIUMS, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME OVERTIME TO MAINTAIN SOME OF OUR COMPETENCIES, LIKE OUR MEDICS AND OUR RESCUE TECHNICIANS, OUR HAZMAT TECHNICIANS. BUT THE

BULK OF THAT IS REALLY MINIMUM STAFFING. SO TO GO FROM 222 TO 209, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, THAT MEANS THAT WE WILL NOT BE STAFFING BETWEEN PROBABLY FOUR AND EIGHT UNITS A DAY. NOW, HOW WILL THAT

WORK OUT? TO JUST GIVE YOU CLARITY AND PERSPECTIVE? SO TO GET TO THAT NUMBER, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR THREE PEAK TIME AID CARS, ONE THAT JUST WENT IN PLAY IN JULY, ONCE ON CAPITOL HILL, ONE IN STATION TWO

AND BELLTOWN AND ONE IS NORTHGATE. THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE STAFFED. THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF MEDIC UNITS. MEDIC 26 IN SOUTH PARK AND MEDIC 31 IN NORTHGATE. FAR ENDS OF OUR CITY. THEY MAY NOT BE

STAFFED ON SOME DAYS. THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME ENGINES NOT STAFFED. ENGINE 22, WHICH IS ON ROANOKE. ENGINE 16, WHICH IS NEAR GREEN LAKE. AND THERE COULD BE A LADDER TRUCK NOT STAFFED. LADDER SIX ON

QUEEN ANNE OR LADDER 13 DOWN IN WEST SEATTLE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE SOME COMBINATION DEPENDING ON WHO'S OFF. AND THEN OUR STAFFING TEAM WILL WORK TO FILL ALL THE SPOTS AND WILL DETERMINE WHAT WE LEAVE

VACANT. NOW WE HAVE A STAFFING MATRIX ON HOW WE DO THAT. AND THE REASON WHY THOSE STATIONS AND UNITS ARE LISTED IS OUR ENGINES. WE REALLY FOCUS ON ENGINES THAT CAN HAVE COVERAGE SURROUNDING. EVEN

THOUGH IT'S GOING TO BE A LONGER RESPONSE. IF YOU KNOW 16 IS RIGHT NEAR GREEN LAKE, THEN WE HAVE 17 TO THE EAST, WE HAVE 20 ONES AND NINES. WE HAVE 30 ONES TO THE NORTH. AND BUT IT'S A DRIVE TO GET

THERE TO GO ON THOSE CALLS. 16 IS ON ROANOKE. WELL, WE GOT 25 ON CAPITOL HILL. WE GOT 17 IN THE U DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE OTHER STATIONS. BUT IT'S A DRIVE TO GET THERE. IF YOU KNOW THE GEOGRAPHY. SO

THERE WILL BE SOME MOVEMENT OF RESOURCES, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME STATIONS OR DISTRICTS THAT WILL HAVE SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF COVERAGE. BECAUSE IF WE'RE STAFFING DOWN 13 BODIES, THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD

MEAN. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR. IT'S GOING TO BE LESS FIREFIGHTERS ON DUTY EACH AND EVERY DAY. AND THAT COULD BE A CHALLENGE. WE JUST THINK ABOUT WEDNESDAY NIGHT. THIS WEEK WE HAD THE

SOUNDERS PLAYING. WE HAD THE MARINERS PLAYING AND WE HAD THE STORM PLAYING. AND WE HAVE FOLKS WORKING AT ALL THOSE EVENTS. BUT WE HAVE BETWEEN PROBABLY TEN AND 20,000 PEOPLE AT THOSE EVENTS. ARE

FIREFIGHTERS AND STATIONS ARE THE BACKSTOPS FOR ALL OF THOSE EVENTS. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE PEOPLE ON SITE. BUT SO THE IMPACTS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN AND IT'S GOING TO MEAN LONGER RESPONSE TIMES. THAT'S

WHAT IT'S REALLY GOING TO MEAN. I'M SORRY. TRICIA GO AHEAD. -- ALL RIGHT. SO THE TABLE DOWN BELOW JUST TO GO OVER THAT 2026 ADOPTED BASELINE IS 41 MILLION OF OUR OPERATING OVERTIME. THIS REDUCTION

WOULD REFLECT A 33.7 MILLION BUDGET IN 2027. ONGOING IN 2028, IT'S A 17% REDUCTION IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET OVERTIME BUDGET. EXCUSE ME OKAY, SO LET'S TALK ADDITIONS. OUR PROPOSED BUDGET ALSO INCLUDES

ADDITIONS INTO OUR BASELINE, APPROXIMATELY $1 MILLION FOR TWO AREAS UTILITIES AND MAINTENANCE. SO THAT MAKES UP THAT 1 MILLION. SO TO GO OVER IT, 450,000 IS AN INCREASE IN OUR UTILITY BASELINE. AND

THAT HELPS TO SUPPORT OUR 33 FIRE STATIONS AND ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE 570,000 TO SUPPORT OUR MAINTENANCE BUDGET. AND THAT IS TO MITIGATE THE COST PRESSURES FROM INFLATION. THAT

MAINTENANCE BUDGET HELPS OUR EQUIPMENT FLEET, FIRE BOATS AND BUILDINGS. -- YEAH. -- AND JUST LIKE THE COSTS ARE GOING UP IN THE WORLD FOR UTILITIES, THEY GO UP FOR US TOO. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY

HELPFUL. OUR INVENTORY TO KEEP OUR 33 STATIONS SUPPLIED AND ALL THE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT CONTINUES TO GO UP. SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THESE ADDITIONS. WE THINK THEY'RE GOING

TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN HELPING MOVE US FORWARD. -- ALL RIGHT. SO FOR OUR ADOPTED BUDGET IN 2026, FOR THOSE TWO LINES OF UTILITY AND MAINTENANCE, THAT'S 2 MILLION OR JUST OVER. SO THAT ADDS AN

ADDITIONAL 1 MILLION AT 51% INCREASE. ALL RIGHT. RELATED ADDITIONS. NOT IN OUR BUDGET, BUT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS A CAPITAL NEW CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR FIRE STATION 25 RENOVATIONS. THE

ESTIMATED PROJECT COST IS 8.7 MILLION, AND THAT IS TO HELP REPAIR THE ROOF HVAC SYSTEMS, HOOD PROJECT AND SOME OTHER OUTDATED SYSTEMS. SO THIS IS PARTIALLY FUNDED WITH FAS FUND BALANCE AS WELL AS BOND

FINANCING IN THE LAST THAT WE'LL MENTION HERE, THE CHIEF MENTIONED ON THE BOAT. SO IN THE 2026 YEAR END SUPPLEMENTAL, WE HAVE REQUESTED 2 MILLION TO HELP GET US STARTED ON REPAIRING THE FIREBOAT,

WHICH HAS BEEN OUT OF SERVICE FULLY SINCE JANUARY. -- AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US. WE HAVE FOUR FIREBOATS IN OUR FLEET THAT FLOW WATER. THE LESS SHY IS THE BIGGEST OF OUR BOATS. IT FLOWS OVER

20,000 GALLONS A MINUTE. GENERALLY IT'S ON THE SOUND. AND AS YOU CAN THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE COMMERCE THAT COMES THROUGH THE RECREATION, THE INDUSTRY, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR US. WE ALSO

HAVE ANOTHER FIREBOAT CHIEF SEATTLE. IT FLOWS ABOUT 10,000 GALLONS A MINUTE. NORMALLY THAT IS ON THE FRESHWATER AT TERMINAL THREE, BUT WE'VE MOVED IT OVER TO THE SOUND RIGHT NOW. AND WE ALSO HAVE TWO

OTHER FIREBOATS THAT FLOW ABOUT 6000 GALLONS A MINUTE. SO THE LESS SHY GETTING THAT BACK IN SERVICE IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US. SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT. -- OKAY. AND OUR LAST ITEM POSITION

CHANGES. SO THIS IS BASICALLY A TECHNICAL POSITION REQUEST. THIS IS ADDING THIS REQUEST IS JUST POSITION AUTHORITY FOR TEN FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS DEDICATED TO THE MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH PROGRAM. THIS

IS BUDGET NEUTRAL AS THE FUNDING WAS PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED IN PRIOR YEAR BUDGETS. AS YOU ARE ALL AWARE, THE MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH PROGRAM STARTED WAY BACK IN 2016 IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HSD. SINCE THEN,

THE THE PROGRAM HAS GROWN DUE TO ITS SUCCESS. WE'VE HAVE MULTIPLE HEALTH ONE UNITS AS WELL AS OVERDOSE AND POST OVERDOSE TEAMS. WHAT THIS IS DOING IS ADDING POSITION AUTHORITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT

EXPANDED GROWTH SINCE 2016 AND ALIGNING THE POSITIONS TO THE FUNDING THAT ALREADY EXISTS. -- AND IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE, I THINK I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF NEWS REPORTS. THIS IS THESE ARE NOT

NEW POSITIONS. THIS IS CLEANUP. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TEN MORE POSITIONS FOR OUR MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH PROGRAM. BUT THIS IS CLEANUP FOR THE EXISTING PROGRAM. -- ALL RIGHT. -- THAT'S IT. -- THANK

YOU SO MUCH, TRICIA. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF. COLLEAGUES WILL BE FOCUSING A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT OVER TALKING ABOUT STAFFING, TALKING IN THIS CONVERSATION. I'M GOING TO GO LAST AGAIN. SO

COLLEAGUES, IF YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS, JUST GIVING YOU FAIR WARNING, FILLING IN A LITTLE BIT OF THE ROLE OF COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE TODAY, I'VE GOT ABOUT 15 MINUTES WORTH OF BACK AND FORTH GOOGLE MAP,

GOOGLE MAPPING THIS. IF WE ALL TAKE 15 MINUTES, WE'LL BE HERE TILL SIX. IF WE SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS WE DID WITH CARE, WE WILL BE HERE UNTIL FIVE. IF WE USE SHAREPOINT TO ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT WE

NEED, ANSWERS TO MAKE STATEMENTS AND PUT THEM ON THE RECORD, WE COULD BE OUT BY 430. SO THAT'S THE GOOGLE MAPS VERSION OF THIS TODAY. AND I DON'T SEE ANYONE WITH THEIR HANDS. SO I GUESS WE'RE DONE

WITH THAT. OKAY. COUNCIL PRESIDENT EMERITUS. -- ONE QUESTION. -- BUT I'M GOING TO LET YOU ALL TALK ABOUT OVERTIME AND WE'LL GET TO THAT. SO HOW DOES THE DELAY OF THE FIRE STATION 31 OPENING IN D5? HOW

DOES THAT IMPACT STAFFING AND MAINTENANCE COST? YOU KNEW I WAS GOING TO RING UP STATION 31 AND D5. YOU KNEW THAT WAS -- [LAUGHTER] -- COMING. -- SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PEAK TIME EIGHT CAR

NOT BEING STAFFED THERE? SO WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS ENGINE 31 AND LADDER FIVE THAT ARE ALREADY AT THAT STATION WOULD RUN MORE CALLS OR STATION 24 AND BITTER LAKE OR STATION 39 IN LAKE CITY. SO WHEN WE

PUT A 31, THERE, PROBABLY IN 2017 OR 18, IT'S BECAUSE THOSE UNITS WERE RUNNING SO MANY CALLS. WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE THEM SOME RELIEF, AND WE NEEDED THAT ENGINE AND THAT LADDER AVAILABLE IF POSSIBLE.

WHEN THE BIG DEAL HAPPENS. SO WHAT WE KNOW IS IF ENGINE 31, LADDER FIVE IS ON THE CALL, THAT MEANS EITHER 39 IS COMING OUT OF OUT OF LAKE CITY OR 17 OR 16 ARE COMING UP FROM SOUTH TO NORTH OR 24 IS

COMING OVER FROM BITTER LAKE. BUT GEOGRAPHICALLY, YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT'S GOING TO MEAN A LONGER RESPONSE TIME. YOU KNOW, A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE UP IN THAT AREA, THE STREETS BETWEEN I THINK, 98th AND

105th WERE CLOSED ON AURORA, FOR EXAMPLE. AND SO THAT IMPEDED OUR AREA FOR GOING INTO NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WE LOOKED AT THAT THE FIRST 90 DAYS IT WAS TAKING US 40s LONGER TO GET INSIDE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD,

JUST FROM THOSE STREETS BEING CLOSED. WELL, NOW, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A UNIT IN THAT STATION, BECAUSE THOSE OTHER UNITS ARE ALREADY ON CALLS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY VERY BUSY, WE KNOW IT'S JUST GOING TO

TAKE LONGER FOR THE OTHER UNITS FROM OTHER DISTRICTS TO COME IN, AND THEN IT LEAVES THEIR DISTRICTS VACANT IF THEY GET A CALL. SO THE DOMINOES WILL START TO FALL AROUND IT. -- YEAH, THAT'S MY CONCERN

WITH. -- COUNCIL PRESIDENT EMERITUS MICK JAGGER. PLEASE. -- AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO WELL, I'LL JUST SAY IT. SO FIRE STATION 31 IS BETWEEN NORTHGATE AND AURORA, AND IT'S ON 100. WELL. -- IT'S ON

NORTHGATE RIGHT NEXT TO LIFE. -- CHURCH, RIGHT? I KNOW EXACTLY. OKAY. SO AS YOU KNOW, FROM 85th TO 1/40, WE HAVE THAT'S THE CORRIDOR TRANSIT SPINE AND ALSO CRIMINAL CORRIDOR. AND WE HAD THE CAMERAS

TURNED OFF ON 105th, I THINK THE CAMERAS TURNED OFF A COUPLE PLACES UP THERE. AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS IS HOW WELL YOU JUST ANSWERED, AND I'M HOPING THEY'RE LISTENING. WE'LL PUT

IT IN OUR NEWSLETTER AS WELL. IS WE NOT ONLY HAVE A LOT OF SPD CALLS ON THAT CORRIDOR, BUT ALSO A LOT OF FIRE. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DELAYED TIMES. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE, I GUESS WE'RE JUST GOING

TO HAVE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS. -- YEAH, IT'S A VERY, VERY BUSY AREA OF THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S LAKE CITY, BITTER LAKE OR NORTHGATE. THOSE UNITS RUN A LOT OF CALLS. THEY'RE BUSY. SO TAKING A UNIT OUT OF

THERE, YEAH, IT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RUN CALLS OR UNITS FROM THE SURROUNDING DISTRICTS ARE GOING TO COME IN TO HELP. BUT WHEN THAT HAPPENS, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. THAT'S

WHAT THIS DOES. -- AND JUST SO WE CAN JUST SITUATE IT FOR PEOPLE CAN VISUALIZE. THEY ALSO HAVE TO SPD AND SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE TO GO ACROSS I-5, WHICH I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY FOUR MAJOR

ARTERIALS TO GET OVER I-5, WHICH IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR. -- THANK YOU. COUNCIL PRESIDENT EMERITUS COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER RINCK

COUNCILMEMBER SAKA AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT. -- THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR BEING HERE. YOU YOU ANSWERED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS HAD ABOUT THE IMPACTS. AND I HEARD YOU

VERY LOUD AND CLEAR. LESS FIREFIGHTERS ON DUTY EVERY DAY. THAT GIVES ME PAUSE AND CONCERN, AND I KNOW IT WILL TO TO OUR OUR CONSTITUENTS ACROSS THE CITY. SO LET ME SAY SOMETHING I SAID WHEN WHEN

POLICE WAS HERE EARLIER TODAY FIRE POLICE AND 911 ARE CHARTERED RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CITY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ACTUALLY FROM ALY, IF I MAY. WHAT WAS THE CALCULATION AND MAKING CUTS TO HERE,

KNOWING WHAT WE JUST HEARD FROM THE CHIEF, WHICH I'M NOT SURPRISED. WHAT WAS THE THE RATIONALE FOR CUTTING FIRE IN THIS WAY? -- PLEASE, DIRECTOR. -- THANK YOU. -- THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, WE I WILL SAY

THIS WAS ONE OF THE HARDEST DECISIONS. AND I'M GOING TO KEEP SAYING SOME OF THE SAME THINGS. WE ARE FACING A SIGNIFICANT DEFICIT, AND WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN OUR RESOURCES. I HEAR YOU ON THE CHARTER

RESPONSIBILITY, THE THE PERCENT OF THE GENERAL FUND THAT GOES TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS THE SECOND HIGHEST INVESTMENT THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, AND THERE ARE CHALLENGES. I WILL JUST YOU KNOW, I

RESPECTFULLY FOR THE CHIEF, THEY ARE MANAGING DAILY OUTAGES, UNIT OUTAGES TODAY DUE TO STAFFING CHALLENGES. WE STARTED AT A MUCH HIGHER NUMBER WHEN WE WERE FACING A MORE DIFFICULT SITUATION PRIOR TO

THE REVENUE FORECAST AND OTHER THINGS, WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET THIS DOWN AS LOW AS POSSIBLE, AND THERE HAVE BEEN YEARS WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT UNIT OUTAGES THAT HAVE FLUCTUATED OVER THE

YEARS. SO IT IS A CHALLENGE. WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT IN THE ABILITY FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MANAGE TO THIS REDUCTION, AND IT IS AN AREA WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE WORKING ON. -- THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER.

-- THANK YOU, ALI, AND LET ME JUST SAY, FOR THE RECORD, TOO, BECAUSE, ALI, YOU AND I HAVE WORKED WITH EACH OTHER FOR MANY YEARS AND I, I VERY MUCH RESPECT YOU. SO I KNOW YOU'RE IN YOUR ROLE TODAY, NOT

JUST AS DIRECTOR OF THE BUDGET OFFICE, BUT ALSO AS THE MAYOR'S OFFICE REPRESENTATIVE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR SOME THINGS. AND I JUST WANTED TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER. I VERY

MUCH RESPECT YOU, AND I HAVE TO ASK THESE HARD QUESTIONS, CHIEF. WHAT HOW DOES HOW DOES OUR CURRENT. BECAUSE WE THIS CAME UP ALSO IN THE CONTEXT OF OF 911 CALLERS AND AND POLICE OFFICERS. HOW DOES OUR

STAFFING COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES OF OUR SIZE? IF, YOU KNOW. -- THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION. AND WHEN I THINK THROUGH THAT QUESTION, I TRY TO LOOK FOR MORE OF AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. SO I

THINK ABOUT CITIES LIKE BOSTON, LIKE WASHINGTON, D.C., LIKE DENVER AND LIKE SAN FRANCISCO. AND YOU MAY ASK, WHY? WELL, POPULATION DENSITY IS ONE. ALL OF THOSE CITIES HAVE 8000 PEOPLE PER SQUARE MILE

OR MORE. ALL OF THOSE CITIES HAVE A POPULATION OF CLOSE TO 7 TO 800,000. SAN FRANCISCO IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. ALL OF THOSE SYSTEMS FACE CHALLENGES LIKE WE FACE. THEY HAVE MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH

PROGRAMS. THEY HAVE OVERDOSES THAT THEY'RE RESPONDING TO. THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF FIRES. THEY'RE RESPONDING TO, AND THEY ALL FACE SPECIAL EVENT CHALLENGES. ALL OF THOSE CITIES I JUST MENTIONED, JUST

LIKE WE HAVE THE SEAHAWKS AND SOUNDERS, THE STORM, THE RAIN, AND ALL OF THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS WE DO. WE HAVE THOSE, WE STAFF THOSE. THEY HAVE THOSE, THEY STAFF THOSE. SO THEY DO A LOT OF SPECIAL

EVENTS. SO BUT THAT POPULATION DENSITY WAS A BIG DEAL. SO WHEN WHEN I LOOK AT THOSE CITIES AS COMPARABLES AND I KNOW THEY'RE NOT IN OUR WEST COAST. SEVEN BECAUSE OUR WEST COAST. SEVEN CITIES ARE MORE

FOR SALARY COMPARABLES BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE WEST COAST AND IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO LIVE ON THE WEST COAST. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT PER CAPITA FOR THE CITIES I JUST NAMED, WE'RE ABOUT 1.3 FIREFIGHTERS PER

1000 POPULATION, AND THEY ARE ABOUT 2.2 OR HIGHER PER CAPITA. AND SO I'LL JUST BE VERY SPECIFIC. WASHINGTON, D.C., IT HAS OVER 2100 FIREFIGHTERS AND THEY RESPOND OUT OF 33 FIRE STATIONS. BOSTON, THEY

HAVE CLOSE TO 1500 FIREFIGHTERS, AND THEY RESPOND OUT OF 35 FIRE STATIONS, SAN FRANCISCO, THEY HAVE OVER 1100 FIREFIGHTERS. AND THEY RESPOND OUT OF 44 STATIONS IN DENVER, WHICH IS LARGER SQUARE MILES.

THEY HAVE OVER 1100 FIREFIGHTERS, AND THEY RESPOND OUT OF 41 FIRE STATIONS. SO THEIR PER CAPITA PER 1000, ALL OF THOSE AGENCIES I JUST MENTIONED, THEY ALL RESPOND TO OVER 100,000 CALLS A YEAR. THAT'S

IMPORTANT BECAUSE MANY OF THE CITIES IN OUR WEST COAST, SEVEN COMPARABLE CITIES, THEY DON'T COME CLOSE TO THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES WE'RE GOING ON. SO WHEN YOU TRY TO LOOK FOR APPLES TO APPLES

RESPONSES, I LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY TO TRY TO FIND AGENCIES THAT ARE MORE COMPARABLE TO THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY CALLED AND TALKED TO BECAUSE OF CHALLENGES WE'RE FACING.

THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEM TOO. SO THAT'S HOW WE COMPARE TO OTHER AGENCIES AROUND THE COUNTRY. WE'RE LOWER STAFFED. AND WHEN YOU THINK BACK, THIS REDUCTION WOULD TAKE US BACK TO 2008. THAT'S THE LAST

TIME WE WERE STAFFED AT ABOUT 209 FIREFIGHTERS PER DAY. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE WERE RUNNING ABOUT 79000 CALLS. THEN TODAY WE RUN OVER 108,000 CALLS. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD TAKE US BACK

TO. -- THANK YOU, CHIEF COUNCILMEMBER. -- THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHIEF. SO AGAIN, THAT'S STUNNING TO ME. CHARTERED RESPONSIBILITY. I'M GOING TO KEEP SAYING THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER AREAS IN THE

BUDGET. BUT WE GOT TO STAFF. ARE WE CHARTERED RESPONSIBILITIES SHOULD BE PRIORITY OF WHICH FIRE IS ONE. AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE FIRE TEAM. AND LET ME JUST SAY, COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ KNOWS THIS.

DURING COVID, IT WAS OUR FIREFIGHTERS WHO STOOD UP OUR. FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR TEST SITES AND GAVE VACCINATIONS, AND THEY WORKED MANY LONG HOURS. AND SO I SHOUT OUT TO YOUR TEAM CHIEF, AND YOU WERE

HERE. SO REALLY RESPECT. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU SINCE BEFORE THEN. AND AND I SO RESPECT YOU AND APPRECIATE YOU AND APPRECIATE THAT YOU YOU'VE BEEN HERE ALL THIS TIME WITH US AT THE CITY. AND I SAY

THAT TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. AND THIS WAS NOT YOUR FIRST ROLE AS, AS CHIEF HERE, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, CHIEF. SO WE RECENTLY HAD THIS THIS UNFORTUNATE FIRE AND SOME OF YOUR STAFF

MEMBERS WERE INJURED. I'M GLAD THERE WERE NO, NO, NO FATALITIES, BUT THERE WERE, I DON'T KNOW, 7 OR 8 INJURIES. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH WAS REPORTED EARLIER IN THE WEEK. HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT THAT TYPE

OF FIRE INCIDENT? -- SURE. -- AND FIRST, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK ALL OF YOU WHO MADE COMMENTS, RECOGNIZING AND ACKNOWLEDGING THE INJURIES. THERE WERE EIGHT FIREFIGHTERS INJURED, AND THERE WERE

THREE THAT WERE TRANSPORTED TO HARBORVIEW BY OUR PARAMEDICS. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN IN THAT RESIDENCE, AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS PULLED OUT, AND HE'S STILL IN THE HOSPITAL AND

HE'S DOING OKAY. HE'S GETTING BETTER. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW ABOUT DOING OKAY. SO HOW DOES HOW WOULD THIS HAVE IMPACTED THAT? SO THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A CHANCE THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN UNITS ON

SCENE AS RAPIDLY AS WE SHOULD. AND I GUESS I SHOULD EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT. SO THE WAY OUR MOTTO IS BUILT, IT'S BUILT OFF OF A TIME TEMPERATURE CURVE ON THE RAPID EXPANSION OF FIRE. SO OUR NFPA

1710 SETS STANDARDS ON WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT A FIRE ENGINE AND A FULL RESPONSE SHOULD BE ON SCENE TO SLOW DOWN THE RAPID SPREAD OF FIRE. AND THAT'S BASICALLY KEEPING A ONE ROOM FIRE, A ONE ROOM

FIRE, AND NOT LETTING IT EXPAND THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE OR TO OTHER STRUCTURES. AND IN ORDER TO DO ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU NEED TO DO, YOU NEED TO HAVE A CREW ATTACK THE FIRE. YOU NEED TO HAVE A

BACKUP LINE. YOU NEED TO HAVE SEARCH AND RESCUE. YOU NEED TO HAVE VENTILATION DONE. YOU NEED TO HAVE UTILITIES, AND YOU NEED TO HAVE A CREW OUT FOR EMERGENCIES, SUCH AS THE MAY DAY THAT WE FACE, AND

THAT IS BASED ON THE OSHA TWO IN, TWO OUT STANDARD THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CREW ON SCENE. SO WHAT HAPPENS EARLY ON IN THE FIRE? AND THIS IS WHERE WHEN INJURIES HAPPEN OR LINE OF DUTY DEATHS HAPPEN,

WHEN FIREFIGHTERS ARE FIGHTING A FIRE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IT GENERALLY HAPPENS IN THE FIRST SEVERAL MINUTES, MAYBE THE FIRST 4 TO 10 MINUTES, BECAUSE THE FIRST CREW GETS ON SCENE. THEY KNOW A

RESCUE NEEDS TO BE DONE, SO THEY GO DO IT. BUT THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES OUTSIDE TO HELP THEM IF THEY GO DOWN. SO IF IT TAKES OUR UNITS LONGER TO GET THERE, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT THE

FIRST UNIT, MAYBE THE FIRST UNIT GETS THERE FAST, BUT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO GO IN AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE CREW OUTSIDE TO HELP THEM. THEN THEY GO IN, SOMETHING GOES SIDEWAYS, AND THEN THERE'S

GOING TO BE A DELAY. LUCKILY, ON THE MAY DAY THAT WAS CALLED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE TRAINED FOR IS A MAYDAY. SO THE OFFICER CALLED THE MAYDAY. EVERYTHING WORKED LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE. AND BASICALLY WHAT

HAPPENED WAS THEY WERE ATTACKING THE FIRE. THEY WERE UNDER A CARPORT. IT'S 240 IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, FIRES GOING EVERYWHERE. AND THE CARPORT WAS BURNING AND IT COLLAPSED ON TOP OF THE

FIREFIGHTERS. SO SOME FIREFIGHTERS WERE GOING BY CARRYING A LADDER. IT CAME DOWN ON THEM. SOME FIREFIGHTERS HAD HOSE LINES GOING IN THE STRUCTURE. IT CAME DOWN ON THEM BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A BIG

NUMBER. BUT THEY WERE ALL GOING TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS. WHEN THE CARPORT COLLAPSED. THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST CAN'T PREDICT. SO IT COULD HAVE CAUSED EITHER THE FIRST ARRIVING COMPANY LONGER, TAKING LONGER

TO GET THERE, OR THE SECOND ARRIVING COMPANY, WHICH IS VERY CRITICAL FOR US FOR TWO AND TWO OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO TELL A PERSON, A FIREFIGHTER WHO'S TRAINED FOR THIS, THAT, HEY, WE THINK

THERE'S A PERSON INSIDE. I KNOW I CAN'T GO IN AND THE SECOND UNIT'S NOT HERE. WELL, OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GO IN AND TRY TO SAVE A LIFE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO. SO IT COULD TAKE US

LONGER TO GET THERE. -- AND IT HAS A HUGE IMPACT. SORRY. YEAH. AND IT HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE OFFICERS THAT ARE THERE. IF THEY DON'T GET THAT BACKUP CHAIR. I JUST HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, IF I MAY,

BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT. IN THE YEARS I'VE KNOWN YOU, CHIEF, YOU'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH IMPACTS OF THE JOB ON YOUR CREW. I KNOW THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU, AND SO I WANT TO KNOW

WHAT ABOUT HOW WILL THIS IMPACT YOUR CURRENT FOLKS? YOU KNOW, HAVING THE LESS FOLKS AND THEN THE ABILITY FOR LESS OF AN ABILITY TO GET CURRENT RESPONSE TIMES, FOR INSTANCE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD

PUT MORE PRESSURE ON YOUR CURRENT TEAM. WHAT IMPACTS IS THAT GOING TO HAVE FOR THIS MENTAL HEALTH CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING, WHICH I KNOW HAS BEEN TRICKY BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD TO TEACH FOLKS TO TAKE

CARE OF THEMSELVES. IT'S BEEN A POINT THAT YOU'VE MADE, AND THEN ALSO JUST MORALE IN GENERAL -- YEAH, THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HAS BEEN A BIG ADD TO THE DEPARTMENT. AND THANK YOU, COUNSEL WHO GAVE US

FUNDING SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOR OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COORDINATOR. AND OUR PROGRAM HAS REALLY TAKEN OFF SINCE THEN. EVEN AFTER THE FIRE THE OTHER NIGHT, OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND PEER SUPPORT TEAM WENT

INTO ACTION BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE OUR FIREFIGHTERS WAS ALL RIGHT. BUT WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WELL, THIS MEANS SETS AND REPS. SO IF WE HAVE MORE FIREFIGHTERS, THEORETICALLY IN THE SYSTEM, THAT

MEANS THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR THEM TO GO ON LESS OF THOSE TRAUMATIC CALLS. AND SECONDARY TRAUMA IS A REAL THING. IT IMPACTS OUR FOLKS AND OUR STATION. IN BELLTOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, WERE EIGHT, FOUR

IS ONE OF OUR PEAK TIME. A CARS ARE OR STAGE 25 ON CAPITOL HILL. THEY'RE SEEING A LOT OF TRAUMA, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DISTRIBUTED RIGHT NOW WITH THE EXTRA BODIES IN THERE. AND THIS IS HAPPENING

A LOT. WE DON'T LEAVE OUR FOLKS ON AID CARS MORE THAN THREE MONTHS BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEING SO MUCH THAT WE ALREADY ARE ROTATING THEM. SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS THERE WILL BE LESS AID CARS FOR THEM TO

ROTATE TO, BECAUSE THOSE ENGINES WILL BE GOING ON THOSE CALLS NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE PD IS GOING ON ALL OF THOSE SCENES OF VIOLENCE CALLS, WE'RE RIGHT THERE WITH THEM. YOU KNOW, THE TRAUMATIC

VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. AND WE'RE ALSO SEEING THE CARDIAC, THE STROKES, THE SUICIDES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND IT'S HARD. AND OUR TEAM WORKS EXTREMELY HARD TO MAKE SURE OUR FIREFIGHTERS HAVE WHAT THEY

NEED. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST NUMBERS. IT'S LESS PEOPLE, MEANING MORE PEOPLE WILL SEE MORE OF THE TRAUMA AND THERE WILL BE MORE SECONDARY TRAUMA. -- THANK YOU. CHIEF. -- THANK YOU. --

CHAIR. -- THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR RIVERA. WE HAVE FIVE MORE FOLKS. SO IF EVERYONE SPEAKS FOR TEN MINUTES, WE WILL GET OUT AT ABOUT 430 BECAUSE THERE'S SOME CLOSING ACTIVITIES AND THAT'S THE BACK AND

FORTH. SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT HALF OF AN HOUR OF EXTRA TIME. SO I'M JUST LETTING EVERYONE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING. COUNCILMEMBER RINCK YOU'RE NEXT. FOLLOWED BY SAKA, HOLLINGSWORTH AND LIN. -- THANK YOU,

CHAIR STRAUSS. I'LL TRY AND DO MY BEST. THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK HERE AND THANK YOU, CHIEF SCOGGINS, FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU, FINANCE DIRECTOR. IS IT ELLERMEIER? WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

BEING HERE AND FOR THE PRESENTATION COLLEAGUES. I KNOW WE ALL REALIZE JUST OUR FIREFIGHTERS DO SO MUCH FOR THE CITY. AND I WANT TO ALSO VOICE THAT MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH THE NINE FIREFIGHTERS, MEMBERS

OF SFD THAT WERE INJURED IN THE FIRE EARLIER THIS WEEK. AND I'LL TAKE A PERSONAL POINT OF PRIVILEGE JUST TO SPEAK TO THAT. I WAS ALSO REMINDED MYSELF HOW IMPORTANT OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE THIS WEEK. JUST

SEEING SOME MEMBERS OF YOUR TEAM AND ACTION CHIEF SCOGGINS, AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED. AND I'LL JUST NOTE THIS VERY QUICK STORY THAT I WAS RIDING MY BIKE THROUGH DOWNTOWN ON THE FOURTH

AVENUE BIKE LANES, CROSSING FOURTH AND PINE, WHERE A CYCLIST HAD JUST BEEN HIT. AND IT WAS ACTUALLY AN OFF DUTY FIREFIGHTER WITH SFD, WHO WAS HELPING THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS STILL IN THE ROAD HELPED GET

HIM OUT OF THE STREET, WAS ABLE TO STOP AND HELP WHERE I COULD, AND STAYED WITH THIS GENTLEMAN UNTIL AN AID CAR CAME TO GET THEM SUPPORT. AND AGAIN, IT WAS A REMINDER OF JUST HOW MUCH OUR FIRE

DEPARTMENT IS DOING ACROSS OUR CITY. I WANTED TO JUST EXPRESS HOW MUCH I APPRECIATED THE CANDOR, APPROACH, AND CARE THAT THE FOLKS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WERE SHOWING. THIS GENTLEMAN WHO HAD JUST

BEEN STRUCK BY A VEHICLE THAT TURNED INTO THE BIKE LANE. SO I HAD TO NOTE THAT, FOR THE RECORD, AND IT REALLY GROUNDED ME IN A PLACE OF AYE OF APPRECIATION FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. WITH

THAT IN MIND, QUESTIONS FOR TODAY AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET. I UNDERSTAND, CHIEF SCOGGINS, YOU'VE UNPACKED A LITTLE BIT AROUND WHAT THESE CHANGES IN OVERTIME MEAN. DIRECTOR PENNUCCI ALSO NOTED HERE A

LITTLE BIT AROUND THIS. I'M HOPING WE CAN JUST UNPACK THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BECAUSE IT WAS NOTED THAT THERE ARE UNIT OUTAGES THAT HAPPEN TODAY, AND I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE

SPECIFICITY ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THE PROPOSED BUDGET WOULD THEN CHANGE THAT LEVEL OF UNIT OUTAGES. -- SURE. -- YOU WANT YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THAT? OKAY. SO I NEED TO WALK US BACK A LITTLE

BIT SO WE UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 5 TO 7 YEARS THAT HAS LED TO THIS. NOW, MOST FOLKS MAY THINK IT WAS THE VACCINE MANDATE, AND WE LOST

A LOT OF FIREFIGHTERS THEN, BUT I'LL WALK IT BACK BEFORE THAT. WHEN PAID FOR PAID PARENTAL LEAVE AND PAID FAMILY CARE LEAVE CAME INTO PLAY IN ABOUT 2017, PAID PARENTAL LEAVE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS

480 HOURS, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. AND I THINK IT'S FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE OR PAID FAMILY MEDICAL CARE. THAT'S ANOTHER 160 HOURS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE A YOUNG DEPARTMENT GOING THROUGH

TRANSITION. SO THOSE HOURS ALSO, ONE FIREFIGHTER, 480 FOR PAID PARENTAL LEAVE, ANOTHER ONE FOR I THINK IT'S FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE. IT'S 160. YOU HAVE A NEW BABY. YOU CAN GET THAT OFF. SO THOSE ARE

HOURS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BEFORE THEN. SO IF WE'RE HAVING 60 TO 80 FIREFIGHTERS OFF FOR THAT. SO THAT CREATES ADDITIONAL OVERTIME. SO I'LL ADD THAT. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE THING. THE VACCINE MANDATE CAME

INTO PLAY. WE LOST A LARGE NUMBER OF FIREFIGHTERS THAT ALSO IMPACTED US. AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S A RETIREMENT, A RETIREMENT ENHANCEMENT THAT HAPPENED. IT WAS 2.5% TO THE LEFT TWO SYSTEM FOR

FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAD WORKED SO MANY YEARS IN THE SYSTEM. SO FIREFIGHTERS WHO MAYBE WERE GOING TO WORK 30 YEARS, MAYBE LEFT AT 28 YEARS BECAUSE THEY CAN ACHIEVE THE SAME. ALL THESE THINGS HAPPENED

AROUND 2021, 2022. SO WHAT WE SAW WAS A LARGE EXODUS OF FIREFIGHTERS DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO WE STARTED EXPERIENCING UNIT OUTAGES ABOUT 2021. AND WE REALLY STARTED TRACKING IT MONTHLY. AND SO

WHEN THE VACCINE MANDATE HIT AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT IT WAS LIKE A, A FOUR CAR COLLISION IN AN INTERSECTION ALL AT THE SAME TIME. SO WE HAVE A STAFFING MATRIX. SO THERE'S UNITS THAT GO OUT OF

SERVICE EVEN TODAY. AND LAST YEAR, THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL. YOU APPROVED US TO HIRE NOT JUST 60 FIREFIGHTERS, BUT YOU APPROVED 105 FIREFIGHTERS FOR THIS YEAR BECAUSE OUR VACANCY COUNT AT THE START OF

THE YEAR WAS 130 FIREFIGHTERS. SO THAT'S WHAT LEADS TO THE UNIT OUTAGES. BUT THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT. WE'RE HAVING MORE SPECIAL EVENTS THAN WE EVER HAD IN THE CITY. OUR FIREFIGHTERS WORK ALL OF

THOSE EVENTS TOO. SO FIREFIGHTERS ARE TAXED. SO SOME DAYS GENERALLY FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, WE HAVE UNIT OUTAGES. AND THAT COULD BE ONE AID CAR, ONE AIR UNIT TO MULTIPLE UNITS. AND THAT'S TODAY

WE HAVE BEEN TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. WE FINISHED OUR FEBRUARY CLASS AND GRADUATED 49. WE HAVE ANOTHER CLASS IN RIGHT NOW THAT STARTED WITH 64. WE STILL HAVE 54 IN, SO WE'LL PROBABLY COME

CLOSE TO HIRING 100. OUR VACANCY COUNT RIGHT NOW IS 70 FIREFIGHTERS. SO WE HAVE MADE GREAT PROGRESS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE BULK OF OUR RETIREMENTS COME BEFORE JUNE 30th. THAT'S WHEN THE BULK OF

RETIREMENTS COME. SO WE GOT THE NUMBER DOWN TO 70. NEXT YEAR IN THE BUDGET, WE'RE APPROVED TO HIRE 60 MORE. WE'LL CONTINUE TO PUSH THAT. WE HAVE HAD THE BULK OF OUR RETIREMENTS OR RETIREMENTS WILL

START TO TAIL OFF. AND SO WE ARE STARTING TO CATCH UP. WE HAVE BEEN CATCHING UP FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, AND WE'RE STARTING TO KIND OF SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THE

OTHER CAR IN THE COLLISION I DID MENTION IS WE ADDED LETTER 13. AND THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL AND WEST SEATTLE. WE ADDED MEDIC 26. SO THOSE WERE MORE BODIES. WE EXPANDED OUR MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH

WITH HEALTH. ONE THOSE ARE FIREFIGHTERS WORKING ON THAT. SO IF WE IF WE HADN'T HAD ALL THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE HAVING THESE UNIT OUTAGES. BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH IT. SO

THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT LED UP TO IT. SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE THING WITH THOSE UNIT OUTAGES, BUT ANYTIME WE HAVE CALLED OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO HELP. SO I'LL GIVE FIFA. IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. WE

HIRED BETWEEN 150 TO 175 FIREFIGHTERS A DAY ON THOSE FIFA GAMES. ON TOP OF OUR 220 THAT WERE ALREADY ON DUTY, FIREFIGHTERS CANCELED THEIR VACATIONS AND DID EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED TO DO TO SUPPORT THE

CITY, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WITH COVID, OR YOU PICK ANY OTHER EXPERIENCE ANYTIME WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO STEP UP AND HELP, THEY DID THAT. SO DO I SEE A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL? I DO,

IT WOULD BE GREAT IF COUNCIL GAVE US 20 MORE POSITIONS FOR 2027 FOR OUR ACADEMY, BECAUSE I THINK WE WOULD BE THERE AND YOU WOULD START TO SEE THESE UNIT OUTAGES GO AWAY. AND I THINK ALY JUST KICKED ME

UNDER THE TABLE WHEN I SAID THAT LAST PART -- THE -- [LAUGHTER] -- MONEY. -- [LAUGHTER] -- I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT RESPONSE. CHIEF SCOGGINS IT'S HELPFUL TO JUST UNDERSTAND A BIT OF THE HISTORY AND

HOW WE GOT HERE, AND KIND OF THE TRAJECTORY OF, OF THAT WORK JUST BY A MATTER OF IF THERE'S ANY NUMBERS TO JUST UNDERSTAND AND LIKE OUR CURRENT STATUS QUO PLACE. AND OVER THE PAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, HOW

OFTEN ARE OUR UNIT OUTAGES, ANY KIND OF DATA POINTS WE HAVE AROUND THAT AND JUST HOW THAT MIGHT BE PROJECTED TO CHANGE UNDER THE PROPOSED BUDGET., -- WITH THE REDUCTION? WELL, WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF

THERE WAS A WEEKEND DAY OF FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, IT'S WHEN IT HAPPENS, MOST. AND IF WE WERE SHORT 13 FIREFIGHTERS ON A WEEKEND DAY, IT WOULD BE RIGHT AT 209. IF WE WERE SHORT 15, THAT MEANS WE

WOULD TAKE ANOTHER UNIT OUT OF SERVICE. SO THAT'S HOW WE WOULD MANAGE IT. IF IT IF IT DID HAPPEN. -- UNDERSTOOD. AND JUST TO UNPACK THAT, MAYBE A VERY SIMPLE TERM. I MEAN, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT ANY

SINGLE FIRE STATION WILL BE UNSTAFFED ON ANY DAY IN 2027? -- WELL, THE ANSWER IS YES. SO IF WE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SINGLE HOUSE STATIONS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, ENGINE 16, IT'S A SINGLE HOUSE STATION. SO IF

WE COULDN'T PUT ENGINE 16 IN AS. 816 TO AT LEAST HAVE AN EMS RESPONSE OUT THE DOOR, IT COULD BE UNSTAFFED. 22 ON ROANOKE IF WE COULD NOT PUT ENGINE 22 TO A. 22 IT WOULD BE UNSTAFFED. OUR GOAL TODAY,

WE AT LEAST TRY TO GET A UNIT IN EVERY STATION. IT MAY NOT BE THE PUMP WHICH IS WHICH. I MEAN THE ENGINE, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE NEED IN EVERY STATION, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE THE BIG EVENT ON THE FIRE,

IT'S GREAT TO HAVE AN EIGHT CAR THERE, BUT IT'S BETTER TO HAVE AN ENGINE THERE READY TO GO TO WORK AND PUT THE FIRE OUT. SO THE POSSIBILITY IS REAL. IT COULD HAPPEN IF WE TOOK A LADDER TRUCK OUT OF

SERVICE, FOR EXAMPLE, LADDER SIX ON QUEEN ANNE. WELL, THERE IS ENGINE EIGHT IN THAT STATION, SO THERE'S STILL A RESOURCE THERE. BUT THE NEXT LADDER TRUCK WOULD COME FROM BALLARD OR BELLTOWN. SO 60,000

POUNDS 60FT LONG CLIMBING UP THAT HILL. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A BIT OF TIME TO GET THERE. BUT, BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF THAT. -- OKAY. -- IS IT POSSIBLE THAT ANY SINGLE FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC SHIFT

WILL BE UNSTAFFED IN 2027? -- YES, THERE YOU KNOW, IN THE 13 POSITIONS I, I CAN PROBABLY PREDICT WITH A HIGH PROBABILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, PARAMEDICS, THERE WOULD BE A PARAMEDIC UNIT ON STAFF, OUR

PARAMEDIC NUMBERS HAVE BEEN LOW AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD TO INCREASE THAT. YOU MAY REMEMBER WE DID THE FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC LATERAL PROGRAM. WE INCREASED OUR NUMBERS LAST YEAR. SO WE'RE WORKING TO

INCREASE THAT NUMBER. BUT OUR PARAMEDICS HAVE BEEN WORKING A LOT -- THEY CERTAINLY HAVE. I SAW THAT IN ACTION A COUPLE DAYS AGO, AND IF THIS REDUCTION IS IT GOES FORWARD, TO WHAT EXTENT WILL WE THINK

ABOUT PRIORITIZATION TO LIKE A PRIORITIZATION METRIC TO APPLY WHEN DETERMINING WHERE AND WHEN UNIT OUTAGES MAY HAPPEN? -- YES, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT. WE HAVE A STAFFING MATRIX. AND IT ALSO WILL DEPEND

ON THE SKILL SET OF THE INDIVIDUALS. SO IF A PERSON IS A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THEM. GETTING THEM ON A PARAMEDIC UNIT, BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE SKILL SETS OF THE

INDIVIDUALS. NOW, OUR SPECIALTY AND TECHNICAL TEAMS ARE HAZMAT TEAM, OUR RESCUE ONE TEAM, OUR ENERGY RESPONSE TEAM, OUR MARINE RESPONSE TEAM, OUR FIRE BOAT TEAMS. WE WORK HARD TO KEEP ALL OF THOSE

SPECIALTY AND TECHNICAL UNITS IN SERVICE EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T HEAR ME MENTIONED ENGINE 25 OR LADDER TEN OR ENGINE 36 OR RESCUE ONE OR ENGINE TEN OR LADDER ONE, BECAUSE THEY ALL

HAVE SPECIALTY NRD CON TEAM AT ENGINE 27 DOWN IN GEORGETOWN. THEY ALL HAVE OTHER ANCILLARY DUTIES THAT RESPOND OUT THE DOOR. SO WE REALLY WORK HARD TO STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND THE OTHER UNITS. I SHOULD

ACTUALLY PROVIDE CLARITY. WE WORK HARD TO STAY AWAY FROM THE EDGES. SO IF 24 IS ALL THE WAY IN BITTER LAKE AND IT'S OUR MOST NORTH WEST FIRE STATION, WE WORK HARD TO KEEP THAT STATION IN SERVICE

STATION 39 IN LAKE CITY. IT'S OUR MOST FAR NORTHEAST STATION. WE WORK HARD TO KEEP THAT STATION IN SERVICE. ENGINE 33 DOWN IN THE SOUTH END OF THE RAINIER VALLEY. WE WORK HARD TO KEEP THAT END AND SO

ON AND SO FORTH. SO WE REALLY TRY TO PROTECT THE EDGES WITH OUR STAFFING BECAUSE WE KNOW IF WE TAKE ANY OF THOSE STATIONS OUT, IT'S A LONG WAY FOR THE NEXT UNIT TO GET THERE. -- I APPRECIATE THAT. I

WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS TOOL, PARTICULARLY. IT SOUNDS VERY COMPLICATED AND VERY COMPLEX, AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT A LOT OF FACTORS. AND OF COURSE, NOT TAKING LIGHTLY AT ALL WHEN WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT UNIT OUTAGES AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR RESPONSE TIMES AND WHO GETS THE CARE AND RESPONSE, TAKING THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. SO WOULD LOVE TO FOLLOW UP TO KNOW MORE. I AM GOING TO SWITCH TOPICS CHAIR

STRAUSS THOUGHT I WAS DONE. I'M GOING TO SWITCH TOPICS VERY QUICKLY. I'LL KEEP IT SHORT CHAIR STRAUSS JUST TO THE MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH PROGRAM BEING THE ONE THAT OVERSEES OUR POST-OVERDOSE TEAM,

ARE WE EXPECTED TO HOLD MORE LONG ACTING INJECTABLE BUPRENORPHINE CLINICS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HARBORVIEW AND OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS? AS A PART OF THIS BUDGET? -- THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS YES. --

FABULOUS AND BUILDING ON THAT, I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO IF SFD IS MEETING ITS TARGET FOR HEALTH 99 COVERAGE RIGHT NOW, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GOAL WAS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 12 HOURS A

DAY FROM 9 A.M. TO 9 P.M. ARE WE HITTING THAT GOAL? -- WE'RE MEETING THAT GOAL WITH THE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. WE MAY NOT BE MEETING IT FOR ALL OF THE TIME FRAMES, AND THAT'S ALSO IT'S THE SAME BODY OF

PEOPLE WHO STAFFED THESE FIRE STATIONS, WHO ACTUALLY STAFF HEALTH. ONE, THEY GO DOWN THERE FOR 3 OR 6 MONTHS STINTS TO WORK THE UNIT, AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO THEIR HOME UNIT, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD FOR

THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOW GETTING A FIREFIGHTER WHO'S WORKING ON ANOTHER ENGINE WHO JUST SPENT 3 TO 6 MONTHS WORKING ON THAT UNIT, AND THEY BRING THAT SKILL SET BACK TO THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS

AROUND THE CITY. AND WHAT WE SEE THAT LEAD TO IS OUR REFERRAL PROGRAM. LAST YEAR, WE HAD OVER 3300 REFERRALS FROM OUR FIREFIGHTERS IN THE FIELD THAT ARE HEALTH. ONE UNIT WILL FOLLOW UP ON WITH OUR

NURSE PRACTITIONER, AND THAT'S ALSO HELPING TAKE CALLS OUT OF THE SYSTEM. ALSO. -- THANK YOU FOR THOSE UPDATES. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CHAIR. -- THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SAKA. FOLLOWED BY

HOLLINGSWORTH AND LIN. IF EVERYONE SPEAKS FOR TEN MINUTES, WE WILL STILL BE OUT BY 430. WE'RE STAYING ON TRACK. OVER TO YOU COUNCILMEMBER SAKA. -- THANK YOU CHAIR, AND THANK YOU CHIEF. REALLY

APPRECIATE THE UPDATE HERE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE WORK THAT THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN OF SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT DO EVERY DAY. THE SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT PLAYS A CRITICAL ROLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND

WHAT'S AT STAKE NOW IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS BOILS DOWN TO RESPONSE TIMES. EARLIER, EARLY IN THE MORNING ON MARCH 26th, 2026, AND 11 YEAR OLD GIRL WAS PULLED FROM THE COLD WATER OFF ALKI BEACH,

SEATTLE FIRE'S MARINE UNITS LOCATED HER, BROUGHT HER ABOARD RESCUE BOAT FIVE AND MEDICS BEGAN LIFESAVING CARE BEFORE TRANSFERRING HER TO A HOSPITAL, WHERE SHE REMAINED IN SERIOUS CONDITION. NOW, THAT

WASN'T A HYPOTHETICAL TRAINING SCENARIO. IT WAS REAL. IT OCCURRED IN MY DISTRICT AND IT DEPENDED ON A VERY WELL STAFFED, EXPERTLY TRAINED, FULLY PREPARED SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE

ARE STORIES LIKE THAT ACROSS ACROSS MY DISTRICT, NO DOUBT ACROSS THE CITY. IN FACT, I THINK WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN STORY AND EXPERIENCE WITH WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND FIREFIGHTERS ALMOST FOUR YEARS

AGO TODAY MY SON, MY THEN FIVE YEAR OLD SON, WILEY, SUFFERED A WHAT TURNED OUT TO BE A FEBRILE SEIZURE. AND IT'S REALLY SCARY THING FOR A PARENT WHEN HADN'T EXPERIENCED THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE PAST,

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN CALL 911 VERY QUICKLY, VERY QUICKLY. BRAVE FIREFIGHTERS AND PARAMEDICS RESPONDED AND PROVIDED HIM WITH APPROPRIATE CARE AND ALSO COMFORT FOR THE PARENT. A LITTLE BIT

TRAUMATIZED BY THAT EXPERIENCE AS WELL. AND AGAIN, WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE IS RESPONSE TIMES AND MATTER OF FACT. WILEY, COME HERE WORKING IN THE IN THE HOME OFFICE HERE. WILEY, COME HERE. SAY HELLO. --

HI. -- SAME. -- THANK YOU. FIREFIGHTERS. -- OH., THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU. SAY THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME. -- THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME. -- THANK YOU FOR HELPING US. ALL RIGHT. GO DO YOUR -- [LAUGHTER] --

HOMEWORK. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THESE ARE REAL, REAL STORIES STORIES FROM MY FAMILY. OUR COMMUNITY HERE IN DISTRICT ONE. EXPERIENCES FROM, SHARED BY, EXPRESSED BY COUNCILMEMBER RINCK. A MOMENT AGO. FOR

EXAMPLE, WE ALL HAVE THESE THESE THESE THESE STORIES THAT HIGHLIGHT THE IMPACT OF THE WORK THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES. SO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. BUT NOW WE'RE FACING A PROPOSAL TO CUT THE

DEPARTMENT'S OVERTIME BUDGET. AND JUST YESTERDAY, THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION WARNED THAT THESE CUTS WILL DELAY 911 RESPONSES. AND FORCE ROTATING CLOSURES OF ENGINES, TRUCKS AND EVEN STATIONS. THE REALITY

IS CLEAR FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. BUT ALARMING PEOPLE WILL WAIT LONGER FOR HELP WHEN THEY CALL 911, AND THAT IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF RISK FOR DISTRICT ONE. AND I SUSPECT OTHER DISTRICTS AS WELL. WE

CAN'T AFFORD IT. EARTH STATIONS ACROSS SEATTLE, INCLUDING STATIONS 26 AND 37 IN DISTRICT ONE, HAVE EXPERIENCED MANY YEARS OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AS WELL. LOOKING IN THAT CAPITAL, THE CIP BUDGET. I

APPRECIATE YOU, CHIEF. FOR FOR BEING SO TRANSPARENT IN ALL THIS. AND FORTHCOMING AND NOT AT ALL HIDING THE BALL. NOT ONLY DURING YOUR INITIAL PRESENTATION, BUT THROUGH THROUGH SOME OF THE BACK AND

FORTH AND CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS, SOME OF WHICH WERE ADDRESSED. I HAVE SOME MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS THAT I'LL RESERVE FOR THE THE Q&A OFFLINE PROCESS. IN THE

INTEREST OF TIME, BUT AYE. BUT I HAVE HEARD ENOUGH AT THE SAME TIME. SO THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU, FIRE TEAM. APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR SELFLESS SERVICE TO OUR CITY AND ALL THE WORK YOU DO TO KEEP US

SAFE. THANK YOU CHAIR. -- THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SAKA COMMITTEE TABLE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE ANYTHING? -- ONE THING I DIDN'T ANSWER COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA'S QUESTION WHEN SHE ASKED ABOUT MORALE

SINCE. SO THE WAY THIS PROCESS WORKS AFTER THE MAYOR'S BUDGET SPEECH, I SEND A COMMUNICATION OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT EXPLAINING WHAT OUR REDUCTIONS WILL BE. I'VE HAD MULTIPLE FIREFIGHTERS STOP BY MY

OFFICE AND TALK ABOUT HOW THIS REDUCTION WILL KILL MORALE. SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE WE ASK OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO DO A LOT OF THINGS, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. I DIDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION

WHEN YOU ASKED ABOUT MORALE. -- THANK YOU CHIEF. -- THANK YOU CHIEF. WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCILMEMBER LIN AND THEN MYSELF. IF WE ALL SPEAK FOR TEN MINUTES, WE'LL BE OUT BY 425.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER SAKA, FOR GIVING US FIVE MINUTES. BACK OVER TO YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. -- THANK YOU CHAIR, AND I WON'T BE TEN MINUTES. THANK YOU. I'LL BE FAST. I APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU,

CHIEF SCOGGINS OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR BEING HERE. I WANT TO READ AN EMAIL THAT I SENT YOU ON IN 2024. AND THIS LEADS ME INTO MY QUESTION. NO. 2020 4th DECEMBER. AND THIS LEADS ME INTO MY QUESTION,

WHICH IS SO I WROTE AND YOU RESPONDED. SO THIS ISN'T A GOTCHA OR ANYTHING. I JUST WANT TO SET CONTEXT FOR THIS. SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE TRIPPING. LIKE, DID I RESPOND? YES, YOU DID. SO LAST NIGHT I

WROTE THIS. WHEN DID I WRITE THIS? I WRITE THIS 20, 20, 24 IN DECEMBER. LAST NIGHT AROUND MIDNIGHT, I WAS DRIVING BY MILLER PARK AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN I SAW MEDICS FROM MEDIC ONE DOING CHEST

COMPRESSIONS ON AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAD OVERDOSED ON SOME TYPE OF DRUG. I SAT THERE IN MY CAR AND WATCHED AS FIREFIGHTERS ROTATED BETWEEN TEAM MEMBERS, DOING TEN ROUNDS OF CHEST COMPRESSIONS. I STARTED

PRAYING FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL, AND I AND AYE. THERE WAS NO WAY THAT I THOUGHT THIS PERSON WOULD SURVIVE. NONE ON THE LAST SET. AFTER 18 MINUTES OF NONSTOP COMPRESSIONS WHEN AYE. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT

THE FIREFIGHTERS ROTATE DOING THEM, YOU ALL FOUND A PULSE AND I COULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT I HAD JUST SEEN. THEY NEVER GAVE UP. I THOUGHT I WAS INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED WITH THEIR PROFESSIONALISM, HEROISM,

MENTAL STRENGTH AND UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW THAT IS A REALITY THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF TIMES. AND I'VE HAD THE WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY OF HAVING. THERE'S ONLY ONE FIRE STATION IN MY

DISTRICT. I HAVEN'T HAD DINNER WITH, AND I WILL. IT'S THE STATION OVER BY SEATTLE PREP IN MONTLAKE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT STATION IT IS, BUT I WILL. FOR THE RECORD, I WILL DO IT. BUT WHEN I HAD. ONE OF

THE THINGS THAT I HEARD FROM EITHER STATION 25 ON CAPITOL HILL OR THE ONE OVER OFF OF MLK AND JACKSON WAS THE AMOUNT OF CALLS THAT THEY HAD TO DO TO DEAL WITH FENTANYL OR, OR DRUGS. PEOPLE THAT WERE

OVERDOSING, AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TOOK. AND ONE PLACE THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT GOING 900 TIMES TO FOR THE YEAR 900 TIMES IN ONE PLACE, BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE EXPERIENCING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPES OF

DRUG, DRUG OVERDOSES OR MENTAL HEALTH, ALL THESE THINGS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US? AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS MORPHED OVER THE YEARS BEFORE IT WAS A FIRE, YOU KNOW, RESPONDS TO FIRE. THE AMOUNT OF TIME

CALLS WITHIN A FIREFIGHTERS DAY OR JUST THE CALLS IN GENERAL THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO OVERDOSES, WHERE YOUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE TO REVIVE PEOPLE. WHERE WE HAVE FAILED AS A

CITY AND AS A COUNTY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE HEALTH ISSUES THAT WE SEE ON OUR STREET, BECAUSE YOU'RE OUR LAST SAFETY NET AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS, AND THEY GET TO YOU. AND THE

AMOUNT OF STRESS THAT THAT PUTS ON WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. -- SURE. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, AND THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. I DO REMEMBER THAT EMAIL AND THE FIRE STATION REFERRING TO, I BELIEVE

900 TIMES A YEAR IS STATION SIX ON JACKSON, WHICH THEIR FIRST RESPONSE DISTRICT IS 12th IN JACKSON. SO THEY THEY'RE THE FIRST UNIT THAT GOES THERE A LOT, BUT I HAVEN'T I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED THIS NUMBER

BEFORE I CAME, BUT A WHILE BACK IT WAS 60 TO 80 TIMES A WEEK THAT WE WERE RESPONDING ON OVERDOSES. IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT RIGHT NOW. I FEEL LIKE I HAD A MEETING WITH JOHN AND HE TOLD

ME IT'S BEEN AN UPTICK, BUT I THINK I'M PRETTY SAFE WITH SAYING 60 TO 80 TIMES PER WEEK THAT WE'RE RESPONDING TO THESE TYPE OF EMERGENCIES, BUT WE'LL GET THAT EXACT NUMBER FOR YOU AND GET BACK TO YOU.

-- NO WORRIES. THAT THAT THAT TO ME JUST DRAWS MY POINT EXACTLY. THAT UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT SOME OF THE HEALTH DISPARITIES THAT ARE GOING ON OUR STREETS AND WHERE WE'RE TAKING PEOPLE AND ALL THE THINGS

WITH KING COUNTY THAT YOU ARE OUR LAST LINE TO KEEP PEOPLE ALIVE. AND WE WE ALL KNOW THAT. BUT JUST WANTED TO FOR THE PUBLIC, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'RE RESPONDING TO THOSE CALLS THAT OUR FIRE

DEPARTMENT'S DEDICATING TO THOSE CALLS VERSUS OTHER, YOU KNOW, ISSUES THAT WE HAVE GOING ON WITHIN OUR CITY TAKES UP A LOT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE'S TIME ON THAT. SO JUST THANK YOU FOR THAT. I REALLY

APPRECIATE IT. I'M GLAD YOU REMEMBER THE EMAIL AS WELL. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS FROM 2024 WHEN I WAS WHEN I WAS LOOKING IT UP. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU CHAIR. -- THANK YOU. COUNCIL PRESIDENT. --

CHAIR, IF I CAN ADD ONE MORE NOTE TO THAT. SO THE SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S NOT JUST FOCUSED ON WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ALSO PAYING ATTENTION TO H.R. ONE, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL IN

WASHINGTON. WE EXPECT 3 TO 400,000 PEOPLE TO LOSE HEALTH CARE. AND IN KING COUNTY, 75 TO 100,000 PEOPLE. AND THAT'S STARTING TO UNFOLD. AND WHAT WE KNOW IS 911 WILL BECOME MORE OF A PART OF THE HEALTH

CARE SYSTEM. SO WE'RE WATCHING THIS CLOSELY. WE'RE TALKING TO FOLKS. WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE, BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS GOING TO BE MORE EMS CALLS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE

GOING ON. IF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE HEALTH CARE AND THEY CAN'T GO SEE DOCTORS, AND THEY WILL WAIT UNTIL IT GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT AND THEY WILL CALL 911. SO WE'RE TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION TO ACTUALLY

WHAT'S COMING TOO. -- THANK YOU. DIRECTOR PENNUCCI. -- YEAH, I THINK. -- IT'S THANK YOU, CHIEF SCOGGINS AND I JUST I THINK WE CAN ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AS THE MEDICAL CALLS CONTINUE TO RISE, THE CITY

HAS BEEN REALLY FOCUSING ON THIS IMPORTANT INVESTMENT IN M I, H AND AID UNITS. AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE CONTINUE THIS WORK TOGETHER TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THESE STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS AS

THE TYPES OF CALLS WE RESPOND TO CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE ARE STAFFING. -- THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMITTEE TABLE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? THANK YOU. WE HAVE COUNCILMEMBER LIN

AND THEN MYSELF, IF WE ALL SPEAK FOR TEN MINUTES, WE'LL BE OUT OF HERE BY 420. SO WE'RE MAKING UP GOOD TIME. OVER TO YOU, COUNCILMEMBER LIN. -- THANK YOU. JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE OVERTIME AND JUST TO

MAKE SURE I KIND OF UNDERSTAND, I THINK OVER TIME HAS INCREASED OVER THE YEARS. AND IN PART, I THINK YOU MENTIONED HOW, YOU KNOW, LOSS OF STAFFING DUE TO THE VACCINE REQUIREMENTS, BUT, YOU KNOW,

PRESUMABLY THE LONG TERM, AND I THINK I HEARD THIS AT, YOU KNOW, WITH ADDITIONAL HIRING, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO REDUCE OVERTIME. AND SORT OF THAT'S THAT'S THE LONG TERM GOAL OR HOPE. IS THAT CORRECT? --

THAT THAT IS A LONG TERM GOAL. -- OKAY. JUST ON OVERTIME, WE SPOKE EARLIER WITH SPD AND THEY GET REIMBURSED FOR SOME OVERTIME FOR STAFFING EVENTS. IS THERE ANY SIMILAR MECHANISM? HAS THAT EVER BEEN

EXPLORED? -- SURE. AND YES, AND THAT'S WHY I TRIED TO BREAK IT OUT INTO MINIMUM STAFFING, WHICH IS STAFFING THE RIGS VERSUS OVERTIME. SO MINIMUM STAFFING IS THE BIG NUMBER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

BUT FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, SEAHAWKS, MARINERS, ALL THOSE -- SPECIAL EVENTS. WE HAVE CONTRACTS, SO WE GET REIMBURSED FOR ALL THAT. A LOT OF OUR OVERTIME COMES FROM GRANTS. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FEDERAL

GRANTS THAT FUND OUR TRAINING. USC, HOMELAND SECURITY, PORT SECURITY, A F G. SO WE GET REIMBURSED FOR A LOT OF THE GRANTS. AND FIFA. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD A LOT OF REIMBURSEMENTS COMING FROM THAT. SO A

LOT OF ALL OF THE OTHER OVERTIME WE DO GET REIMBURSED FOR. BUT THE MINIMUM STAFFING TO STAFF THOSE ENGINES TO KEEP THEM TO A CERTAIN LEVEL ENGINES, LADDERS, A CAR, MEDIC UNITS, NOT REIMBURSEMENT FOR

THAT. -- OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, AND I THINK YOU SPOKE TO THIS EARLIER, BUT JUST ON THE MINIMUM STAFFING, GIVEN CURRENT HIRING, SORT OF WHAT IS THE KIND OF SHORT TERM MEDIUM TERM OUTLOOK TO ADDRESS THAT

WITH, WITH STAFFING FULL TIME VERSUS OVERTIME? I MEAN, REGULAR TIME VERSUS OVERTIME? -- WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT ABOUT 70 VACANCIES AND WE HAVE A CURRENT GROUP IN RIGHT NOW. SO DEPENDING ON HOW MANY

WE LOSE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'LL DETERMINE WHERE WE ARE IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET. WE'RE FUNDED FOR 60 NEW HIRE POSITIONS NEXT YEAR. AND SO THAT WILL PUSH IT DOWN MORE. IF WE IF WE IF WE RETIRE

40 AND WE HIRE 60, WE'LL BE PLUS 20 MORE. THAT'S WHY THIS YEAR WAS SUCH A BIG DEAL WHEN THE COUNCIL GAVE US AUTHORITY TO HIRE 105, BECAUSE WE REALLY PUSHED THAT NUMBER DOWN. BECAUSE I MENTIONED

EARLIER, I THINK WE STARTED AT 130 132 AT THE START OF THE YEAR. VACANCIES. SO WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB THERE. -- AND I'M PRESUMING THAT IT SAVES TO PAY SORT OF STRAIGHT TIME RATHER THAN OVERTIME. SO I

MEAN, THE ADDITIONAL HIRES SHOULD BE HELPING WITH THAT. -- THEY ARE HELPING WITH THAT. AND IT PREVENTS THE BURNOUT. IT IT SLOWS DOWN THE NUMBER OF SHIFTS FIREFIGHTERS ARE WORKING. BUT I WOULD LEAVE IT

TO THE FINANCE FOLKS TO DO THE CALCULATION. OVERTIME IS 1.5, BUT A FULLY BURDENED FIREFIGHTER, IT MAY BE MORE THAN 1.5 WITH THE BENEFIT PACKAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, SO THAT THE MATH SOMEBODY ELSE

WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT MATH. -- OKAY. THANK YOU CHAIR. THAT'S ALL. -- THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER LIN COLLEAGUES, BECAUSE FOLKS HAVE GIVEN US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BACK, AND I SEE COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER HAS

ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT IF YOU'RE QUICK. -- THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. THIS WILL BE MY FIRST QUESTION <u>FOR FOR FIRE TODAY. %</u> -- AND TAKE AS LONG AS YOU. -- [LAUGHTER] -- WANT. THANK YOU SO MUCH,

CHAIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF SCOGGINS. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR LEADERSHIP AND ALL THE WORK THAT THE FOLKS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT DO. SO THANKS FOR SPENDING YOUR TIME HERE WITH US TODAY. I WAS

GOING TO DO MY QUESTION AS FOLLOW UP, BUT COUNCILMEMBER LIN STARTED TO GET THERE AND I AND I THINK THE ANSWER THAT YOU MIGHT GIVE ME MIGHT BE SEND IT TO FINANCE, BUT I'M GOING TO PUT IT OUT ANYWAY,

BECAUSE SOMETHING I'VE BEEN WONDERING IS, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE OVERTIME REDUCTION AND THEN THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE IN TERMS OF HIRING. SO WHAT I HEAR IS DOWN TO 70 VACANCIES. YOU BELIEVE THAT

YOU CAN HIRE 60 OF THOSE VACANCIES NEXT YEAR. AND I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? ON BALANCE WITH THE THE TIME IN THE DEPARTMENT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. RIGHT. SO

UNDERSTANDING WE'RE REDUCING OVERTIME HOURS, BUT WE'RE ADDING PEOPLE TO THE DEPARTMENT. HOW DOES HOW DO WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT LEAVES US IN TERMS OF CAPACITY AND SORT OF THE BALANCE IS NOT THE RIGHT

WORD, BECAUSE THAT ASSUMES THAT THERE IS A BALANCE. BUT WHAT DOES IT EQUATE TO IN TERMS OF OVERALL LOSS IN HOURS OR FIREFIGHTER POWER? IF WE'VE GOT THOSE 60 FOLKS ON AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE HAVE THAT

REDUCTION? -- YES. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS TO THAT. SO APPROXIMATELY 70 VACANCIES. NOW, IF WE END THE YEAR WITH THAT, IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT LET'S SAY 70. AND THEN WE HIRE 60 NEXT

YEAR. SO THERE'S A DELTA THERE OF TEN. BUT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE AT LEAST 40 RETIREMENTS NEXT YEAR. SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY THAT WOULD PUT US AT A VACANCY RATE OF ABOUT 50. BUT THERE'S MORE BODIES TO

WORK. AND THAT MEANS THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE WORKING LESS OVERTIME, WHICH MEANS LESS BURNOUT. NOW THE GOAL IS TO PUSH THAT NUMBER DOWN AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. I BELIEVE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOME OVERTIME

BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT LEAF TYPES, JUST LIKE EVERYONE GETS. YOU KNOW, FOLKS GET VACATION, THEY GET SICK DAYS, THEY HAVE PEOPLE, THEY HAVE FML. LIFE HAPPENS. SO JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO WORKS, BUT

THERE'S NOT A BACKFILL BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AN EXPECTATION THAT WHEN THAT FIRE ENGINE SHOWS UP, THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE. SOMETIMES THOSE SEATS SIT VACANT. BUT OUR SEATS, IF WE SIT THEM VACANT, THAT MEANS

THAT WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES OUT IN THE FIELD WITH HOW OUR OPERATIONS ARE BUILT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT. WE HAVE A STANDARD OPERATING GUIDELINE PLAN FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERY EMERGENCY WE RESPOND TO,

AND THAT'S BUILT ON A STRUCTURE AND A SYSTEM. SO ALL THIS COMES INTO PLAY. -- THAT'S INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT, CHIEF. AND I THINK THAT GETS TO SOME OF WHAT MY QUESTION WAS. AND I

THINK I REALLY ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE YOU REMINDING ME, EVEN WITH THOSE 60 ADDITIONAL FOLKS COMING ON, AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT POTENTIAL RETIREMENTS, THAT SORT OF ADDS TO THE EQUATION. I DO THINK I

MEAN, I KNOW THAT THIS IS JUST A CHALLENGING BUDGET YEAR, AND I ALSO KNOW THAT WE CARE DEEPLY ABOUT MAKING SURE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS ARE FULLY STAFFED. AND SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN

UNDERSTAND THAT DELTA A LITTLE BIT MORE MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. SO LOOKING TO LOOKING TO CENTER, I WAS GOING TO SAY TO LOOKING TO BUDGET DIRECTOR AND TO DIRECTOR CBO DIRECTOR,

SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT AS FOLLOW UP, I THINK, TO HELP US UNDERSTAND TO JUST GET A FULLER PICTURE OF NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU. -- THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER OVER TO DIRECTOR WHITSON. -- WE'LL FOLLOW

UP AND BRING INFORMATION FOR OUR DEPARTMENT PRESENTATIONS IN A COUPLE WEEKS. -- FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER. IF WE WITH ONE MORE PERSON LEFT, IF WE ALL SPEAK, WE'LL BE HERE TILL 530.

NO, I'M KIDDING. AND I WILL START MY TIMER NOW. I KNOW I'LL GIVE MY UPDATES FOR HOW MUCH TIME I'VE TAKEN UP AT THE END OF THIS. THIS RIGHT NOW, FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I THANK ALL

THE FIREFIGHTERS WITHIN SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR SERVICE. YESTERDAY, JEFF MILLER TESTIFIED AND JEFF MILLER'S TESTIMONY. HE SHARED THAT THEY THEIR JOB IS PROVIDING PEOPLE SECOND CHANCES THAT

THE SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT PROVIDES PEOPLE SECOND CHANCES BY GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE AT LIFE AND I SHARED AT THE TIME THAT I'M ONE OF THOSE SECOND CHANCES. IN SEPTEMBER 2004, I WAS HIT BY A

DRIVER DRIVING A CAR TO THE POINT WHERE I HAD TWO COLLAPSED LUNGS AND ONE OF THEM WAS PUNCTURED. THAT WAS 2:59 P.M. AND BY THE TIME FIREFIGHTERS WERE DISPATCHED AT 3 P.M. AND THEY ARRIVED AT 3:04

P.M., IF I HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO RE-INFLATE MY LUNGS, I FELL OFF THE MONKEY BARS A LOT AS A KID, SO I KNOW HOW TO DO IT IF I HADN'T RE-INFLATED MY LUNGS ACCORDING TO MY GOOGLE SEARCHES, I'M NOT A

DOCTOR OR A MEDIC. I'VE GOT FOUR MINUTES BEFORE PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE SETS IN, AND SO IF I, WITHIN THIS TIME FRAME, YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THERE JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

THE 42nd DELAY THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NORTH AURORA, THAT STARTS FACTORING IN WHEN WE START, IF THERE'S STATIONS THAT GO DOWN AND WE'RE FACTORING IN ANOTHER MINUTE, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE AND A COUNCILMEMBER. THE FUTURE OF PEOPLE'S LIVES. I COULDN'T SIT HERE AS A COUNCILMEMBER IF I HAD PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE 22 YEARS AGO. AND SO I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO

THANK FIREFIGHTER MYRON HAIG. THANK FIREFIGHTER PATRICK JASPER. WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN THE CHANCE TO SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN SINCE THAT DAY, 20, 20. TWO YEARS AGO. BUT I THINK ABOUT YOU OFTEN. THOSE THAT 15

MINUTES IT TOOK TO GET FROM BALLARD TO HARBORVIEW. AND FOLKS, IT TAKES A LOT LONGER THAN 15 MINUTES TO GET FROM BALLARD TO HARBORVIEW WITHOUT SIRENS I'LL NEVER FORGET THOSE 15 MINUTES. I RECOUNT THOSE

STORIES MANY TIMES. IT'S THOSE STORIES ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR SEATTLE CHANNEL, SO I'LL SAVE THEM FOR A PRIVATE, PRIVATE VENUE. BUT I SHARE THIS STORY BECAUSE IT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, THAT

IF WE HAVE STATIONS THAT HAVE TO GO OUT, OR IF WE HAVE TO HAVE REDUCED STAFFING, THAT'S ADDITIONAL TIME. AND THAT'S HIGHER RISK OF SOMEBODY NOT HAVING THAT SECOND CHANCE. WE ARE SNUFFING OUT PEOPLE'S

ABILITY TO LIVE A FULFILLING LIFE, TO GIVE BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITY, TO BE GOOD RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY. SO, MYRON, PATRICK, THANK YOU. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS, THIS OVERTIME IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU

BROUGHT UP THE ADDITIONAL RECRUIT CLASSES. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN BRINGING UP FOR A LONG TIME. I THINK LAST YEAR WE TRIED TO GIVE YOU A RECRUIT CLASS THAT YOU WERE LIKE, WE'RE NOT QUITE

READY FOR. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOTHING NEW THERE. BUT I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE YESTERDAY WE HAD THE BUILDING FIRE WITH EIGHT FIREFIGHTERS INJURED. THE MAN INJURED. TODAY WE'VE HAD TWO FIRES IN

BUILDINGS WHILE WE'VE BEEN SITTING IN HERE. THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT ON ON THE INTERSTATE, WHICH IS WHAT ALL THE SIRENS THAT WE JUST HEARD. AND I JUST THINK TO MYSELF, DESPITE WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON

WITH MINIMUM STAFFING AND THE STAFFING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED LEAVE, IT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN AMERICAN CULTURE WHERE WE DON'T DOUBLE STAFF POCKETS BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED LEAVE,

BUT WE SHOULD BE. AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS OVERTIME, IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT DOLLARS AND CENTS. IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT MINIMUM STAFFING. IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT HOW FAST THAT RIG CAN GET TO

YOU. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S LIVES AND THE FUTURE THAT THEY HAVE AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THEY HAVE. AND SO THERE'S NOT A QUESTION THERE. IT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT TO BRING IT BACK AROUND TO

WHAT DO EACH OF THESE DOLLARS MEAN? AND IN CONTRAST TO ALL OF THE OTHER BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAT THE MAYOR HAS PUT INTO THIS BUDGET, THE THREE TOPICS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY ARE CHARTER

RESPONSIBILITIES. IT KIND OF DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS IN THE BUDGET, IF YOU CAN'T WALK DOWN THE STREET WITHOUT GETTING SHOT IF YOU CAN'T HAVE A MEDIC SHOW UP TO SAVE YOUR

LIFE, IF YOU CAN'T HAVE THE RIGHT RESPONDER RIGHT ON TIME, EVERYTHING ELSE KIND OF DISSIPATES. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I WAS SPEAKING TO SOMEBODY YESTERDAY ABOUT SKATE PARK THAT'S OPENING IN TWO WEEKS,

AND HER TEN YEAR OLD WANTED TO GO AND SHE WAS LIKE, I, I'D LOVE FOR THEM TO GO, BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET SHOT. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT WE COME BACK TO WITH CHARTER RESPONSIBILITIES. YOU'RE NOT THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT. SORRY, I WENT OFF ON A TANGENT OH MAN, IT'S GOING TO BE 6 P.M. BY THE TIME WE GET OUT OF HERE. I'M KIDDING. I WANT TO COME BACK TO THE LEASH. I AND JUST CHECK IN. I SEE YOU'VE GOT

$2 MILLION HERE. IS THAT THE TOTAL COST FOR REPAIRS ON THE LEASH? -- I KNOW THE TOTAL COST OF REPAIR IS $3.2 MILLION. AND THIS WAS GOING TO BE SPLIT. PROBABLY OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS. OKAY. SO BUT THE

TOTAL IS ABOUT APPROXIMATELY $3.2 MILLION. -- AND WE'RE USING A SHIPYARD IN INSIDE THE CITY BOUNDARIES. -- YES. IT'S IT'S THERE NOW. I BELIEVE IT'S JUST SITTING RIGHT NOW. -- I THOUGHT I SAW IT UP AT

UP IN FISHERMAN'S TERMINAL. -- YEAH. THAT'S WHERE IT'S SITTING. IT'S OVER IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW. -- OH YEAH. -- BUT IT'S NOT AT STATION FIVE, CORRECT? YEAH. THE CHIEF SEATTLE WAS AT STATION FIVE. SO

THIS ONE IS PARKED NEAR FISHERMAN'S TERMINAL. -- OKAY, SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT WHEN WE PUT IT UP INTO A DRY DOCK INTO A SHIPYARD, IF WE USE A SEATTLE BASED SHIPYARD INSTEAD OF OUTSIDE THE CITY, WE'LL

GET TAX REVENUE BACK. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR. SORRY, I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE, COLLEAGUES, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAVE TWO AND THREE ALARM FIRES, OUR WATER PRESSURE FOR OUR FIRE

HYDRANTS CAN START DISSIPATING. AND THE POWER OF FIREBOAT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE WATER PRESSURE THAT WE NEED. WE HAD A THREE ALARM FIRE IN THE BALLARD AREA JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO. WATER PRESSURE

STARTED DROPPING AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET A FIREBOAT RIGHT UP THERE. AND IT'S WHAT SUSTAINED THE ABILITY TO PUT THAT FIRE OUT IN A TIMELY FASHION. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST WATER DEPENDENT USES. WE ARE

FIGHTING FIRES ON LAND WITH THESE THESE BOATS. AND SO JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU. THERE. YOU BROUGHT UP THAT IF THESE REDUCTIONS WENT INTO PLACE, WE WOULD BE AT THE SAME REDUCTION AS THE SAME STAFFING

AS 2008, WHICH WAS FOUR YEARS AFTER MYRON AND PATRICK SAVED MY LIFE. AND THAT WAS A TIME WHEN WE HAD 200 THOUSAND FEWER RESIDENTS. SO I'M JUST KIND OF PUTTING THIS ALL INTO PERSPECTIVE HERE, AND I'LL

END WITH MOMENTUM, BUT I'LL ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE FIRE DISTRICT A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW I MENTIONED IT WHEN KENNY AND THE UNION WAS HERE YESTERDAY. I'LL MENTION IT TO YOU. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT

OF DETAILS TO WORK OUT. I'M NOT PROPOSING A FIRE DISTRICT TODAY, BUT I AM MAKING THE STATEMENT ON THE RECORD THAT THE BEST WAY TO INSULATE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FROM ANY OF THESE BUDGET CHALLENGES IS IF

WE GIVE YOU A DEDICATED SOURCE OF FUNDING, THERE'S A LONGER CONVERSATION ABOUT NOT COLLECTING AS MUCH PROPERTY TAX FOR THE GENERAL FUND TO OFFSET. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. THERE'S A LOT MORE

CONVERSATION. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S LIVES, THEIR SECOND CHANCES, THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE, I THINK THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE INSULATED. AND WHEN I STARTED GIVING THE EXAMPLES

OF LIKE, WHAT THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, TRADE OFFS WERE, I STARTED TO GO FOR MURALS. I WAS LIKE, YOU CAN'T ENJOY A MURAL IF YOU'RE DEAD RIGHT? LIKE IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HASN'T SAVED YOU OR IF THE OR IF

YOU'VE BEEN SHOT OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS. BUT THEN I REMEMBERED THAT THE MURALS ARE COMING FROM ADMISSION TAX AND WE CAN'T LIKE THERE'S NOT A DIRECT TRANSFER THERE. RIGHT. AND IT BRINGS UP THIS

STATEMENT AND IMPORTANT FACT THAT OF ALL OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE BUDGET, THE THINGS THAT DON'T THAT HAVE BUDGET STABILITY YEAR OVER YEAR HAVE FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE DEDICATED

TO THEM. AND SO WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE DISTRICT, THAT'S WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT FOR ME IN THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A DEDICATED AND INSULATED SOURCE OF FUNDING. THAT

ASSOCIATION OF WASHINGTON CITIES YESTERDAY. THERE'S NOW BEGINNING TO BE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DOING THE SAME TYPE OF DISTRICTING FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS. WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT

I'M JUST SAYING IT IS BECAUSE THESE TYPES OF SERVICES ARE CRITICAL, EXPENSIVE, AND WE NEED TO HAVE DEDICATED INSULATED FUNDING SOURCES FOR THEM. THERE'S NOT A QUESTION THERE THAT'S MORE OF A

STATEMENT. I'LL JUST SAY, AGAIN, I'VE WATCHED THE MOMENTUM OF THE SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT GROW. WHEN I STARTED HERE AT CITY HALL, AS STAFF, WHEN THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY DOWN ON THIRD AND JAMES, IT

WOULD BE A LADDER TRUCK, AN ENGINE, A MEDIC, A COP, AN AMR TO TAKE HIM TO HARBORVIEW, TO HAVE HIM STABILIZED, TO HAVE HIM BACK ON THE CORNER. AND THEN WE REPEATED THE CYCLE AGAIN. TODAY WE HAVE

HEALTH, ONE THAT HEALTH ONE WITH THE TWO MEDICS AND THE SOCIAL WORKER IS MAKING SURE THAT THAT SITUATION DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN ANYMORE. AND THAT MOMENTUM WAS IN 2019 THAT STARTED, AND IT'S BEEN

AMAZING TO WATCH IT TURN INTO HEALTH 99 AND JUST TO WATCH THAT MOMENTUM CONTINUE TO ROLL, I WANT TO SEE THAT MOMENTUM CONTINUE TO ROLL WITH THE SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE US LOSE

ANY. SO AGAIN, NOT A QUESTION, JUST A STATEMENT. WE ARE AT 410. SO WE ARE KEEPING A. WE'RE WE'RE STICKING A LITTLE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. MIGHT HAVE SUCKED UP SOME TIME THERE. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE

COMMITTEE TABLE NOW BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE. I'M I'M GOING TO DIG INTO A BUNCH OF THESE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO DO SO THROUGH SHAREPOINT. THESE WERE THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT I WANTED TO GET ON THE

RECORD TODAY. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMITTEE TABLE FOR LAST WORDS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING, AND THEN WE'LL BE DONE. -- I'LL JUST CLOSE. THANK YOU

FOR YOUR TIME. WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PERSPECTIVE. TRICIA ANYTHING. -- THANK YOU. -- THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE COLLEAGUES. THAT DOES BRING US TO THE

CONCLUSION OF TODAY'S AGENDA. ON MONDAY, WE WILL HAVE HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT IN THE MORNING. SEATTLE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE AFTERNOON. FOR THE

RECORD, AYE. I OCCUPIED 40 MINUTES OF COMMITTEE TIME YESTERDAY AND 40 MINUTES OF COMMITTEE TIME TODAY. IN CASE ANY OF YOU WANT TO TAKE THOSE NOTES AND TRACK IT. I DO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THROUGH

THIS BUDGET PROCESS, REFORM OF CONTENT AND PROCESS, WE HAVE BROKEN THESE FOUR DAYS UP WITH THE WEEKEND. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY IT'S HELPFUL AS COMPARED TO HOW WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST, WHICH

IS JUST KIND OF A A STRAIGHT RUN THROUGH WITH THAT. I'M GOING TO TURN TO DIRECTOR WHITSON AND DIRECTOR PENNUCCI FOR ANY HOUSEKEEPING CLOSING OUT TODAY. -- IT'S GOING TO BE A BUSY WEEK NEXT WEEK. SO

TAKE SOME TIME FOR YOURSELVES THIS WEEKEND. -- YEAH -- THANK YOU. APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME THIS WEEK. LOOK FORWARD TO THE WEEKEND. -- I'LL CLOSE OUT JUST BY SAYING THERE IS A LOT OF AGREEMENT. THERE

WAS A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT TODAY, AND I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE GET TO HAVE WITH YOU, DIRECTOR PENNUCCI, BECAUSE IT IS TRANSPARENT, IT IS HONEST, IT IS FACTUAL, AND JUST

APPRECIATE IT. GREAT. WITH THAT. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS DOES CONCLUDE THE SEPTEMBER 25th, 2026 SELECT BUDGET COMMITTEE. WE WILL BE BACK IN ORDER ON MONDAY AT 9:30 A.M.. WE DO NOT HAVE

VERBAL PUBLIC COMMENT, SO WE WILL START THE HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT PRESENTATION AT 9:31 A.M.. THANK YOU. WE ARE ADJOURNED. -- [MUSIC]