2026-10-20 - City Council

08:56Good afternoon everyone and welcome.

08:58I'll call to order the Tuesday, October

09:0020th meeting of the Chattanooga City

09:02Council and recognize Councilman Clark

09:04to lead us in our pledge of allegiance

09:06and invocation. Please rise for the

09:08pledge of allegiance to the flag. I

09:10pledge allegiance to the to the flag of

09:12the United States of America and to the

09:15republic for which it stands. One nation

09:18under God, indivisible with liberty and

09:22justice for all.

09:26>> If you could bow your heads and join me

09:27in a small prayer, please. Dear kind

09:30heavenly father God, thank you Lord

09:31>> for their city council. Lord, thank you

09:33for our leaders who are gathered here

09:34today to make decisions, God, that we

09:37pray bring glory to your name, Lord. Uh

09:39please uh we pray, God, that you keep

09:42our mayor, our city council members,

09:43Lord, and our president and all of our

09:45armed forces uh out there protecting our

09:48country and our city, Lord. That you

09:50give them the wisdom and the will to do

09:52the right thing, God. Lord, as we

09:54consider legislation today, Lord, I

09:56pray, God, that we do it in a way that

09:58brings glory to your name, God, and that

10:01it is the right thing to do based for

10:03the citizens of the city of Chattanooga.

10:04God, in Jesus, precious holy name, we do

10:06pay pray. Amen.

10:08>> Amen. [clears throat]

10:10>> All right. Well, welcome again,

10:12everyone. Um, just a housekeeping note.

10:15If you have a cell phone, make sure it's

10:16uh silenced or on vibrate so we don't

10:19have any um any distractions in our

10:22meeting. Um we like to provide at the

10:26outset of our meetings kind of a rundown

10:28of how the meeting operates. You'll know

10:29what to expect uh this afternoon and

10:32evening. Um so our meetings are uh held

10:35in two parts. Our first part is our

10:36agenda session. Um during which um we

10:40have special presentations and um

10:44tonight in particular we do have um a

10:47special presentation in the form of a

10:49public hearing on the proposed fiscal

10:51year 2027 budget amendment. Um and so we

10:54will get to that shortly. Um from there

10:58uh the city council will um consider the

11:01minutes from our previous meeting and

11:03then the council will have uh discussion

11:06as needed on any items that are on our

11:08agenda uh to be voted on this evening as

11:11well as items on our agenda next week.

11:14And then looking farther ahead to three

11:15weeks or more out we look at all those

11:17items so that we're well prepared um as

11:21they come before us. So uh we will have

11:23that discussion amongst the council. Um

11:27sometimes we have committee or

11:28department reports during this first

11:30session of our meeting. We do not have

11:33any tonight. Um and so once we've

11:36concluded our um agenda discussion, uh

11:40we'll have a recess and typically during

11:42our recess we have a meeting with our

11:45city attorney and we do need to have one

11:47this evening. Um and so when we get to

11:50that point, I will announce the time at

11:53which we will return after our recess.

11:56And then when we get back, um we will

11:58vote on all the items on our agenda this

12:00evening. And uh once we have done that,

12:03there will be a period at the very end

12:06for public comment for anyone who would

12:08like to address council on any topic. Um

12:11you're welcome to do that at the podium

12:13down front. Um, and our attorney will

12:15read some rules for that section of the

12:18meeting when we get there. Um, and so,

12:22uh, this public hearing that we have on

12:23our budget amendment, um, that will be,

12:26um, specific to the budget amendment.

12:29Um, and so if you have just general

12:31public comments, just hold those to the

12:33end if you would. So, um, with that

12:36being said, I will yield the chair to

12:39Councilman Henderson, who's the chair of

12:40our budget and finance committee to lead

12:42us in our public hearing.

12:45[snorts]

12:50>> All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Call to

12:52order the budget and finance committee.

12:55Can I get a a motion on the minutes from

12:58last meeting?

12:58>> Second.

12:59>> All right. Without objections, those uh

13:01minutes will stand as recorded. Uh so

13:04the sole purpose of this budget and

13:06finance committee this afternoon uh will

13:09be to conduct a public hearing on the

13:11FY27 budget a proposed budget amendment

13:16uh that we will be uh having as for

13:18first read next Tuesday. Uh we have

13:21decided as a council that we limit these

13:25um u public hearings to a total

13:28[clears throat] of 1 hour with each

13:30speaker uh getting two minutes to

13:33address the council. Uh so it is

13:383:35

13:39and we'll set a time limit of

13:434:35.

13:45And at this time I will open up the

13:47floor for our budget hearing.

13:52Would anybody like to come and address

13:54the council on our FY27

13:57budget amendment?

13:59Come on, Chief. [laughter]

14:04The floor is now open for public

14:06hearing.

14:15[clears throat and snorts]

14:18>> And if you would just give us your name.

14:22Um, for the record, what district you

14:24live in?

14:25>> Janice Gooden from the great district 8.

14:30So, what's a public hearing if nobody

14:32speaks?

14:33[laughter]

14:34>> So, um I've been following the sessions

14:38and one thing that stood out was the

14:41purpose point um allocation.

14:45I'm not opposed to it, but I think

14:48you're going to be opening up uh can

14:51worms

14:52cuz the needs are so great. Uh there may

14:56be some other requests

14:58somewhere down the line, but I

15:00understand, you know, why you're making

15:02the allocation.

15:04Um so I'm not opposed to it.

15:07The other thing that I didn't see was

15:11concerning the 911 operators. So I hope

15:15that you will reconsider that further

15:18down the line, if not this time. Thank

15:21you.

15:22>> Thank you.

15:29My name is uh Edward Green Jr. That's

15:32Green with the knee on the end. Uh uh my

15:36concern once again uh is the Will Cox

15:40Tunnel.

15:42Uh I don't know if uh anybody has driven

15:46uh through the Willox Tunnel. Uh uh it

15:49was supposed to have been clean.

15:52Well, if it was cleaned, I would hate to

15:56see it dirty.

15:57I think uh that uh since you all

16:01are responsible now uh the state has

16:04turned over that tunnel to you all uh

16:08because they can't do nothing with it.

16:11And so why would you allow them to uh

16:15dump that uh tunnel uh on the city of

16:19Chattanooga?

16:21I think uh that uh whoever uh is in

16:24charge of that district

16:28uh should do what uh he was elected to

16:31do

16:33and uh put some emphasis on the

16:35taxpayers

16:37uh who live in that area.

16:40[snorts] Uh I think uh uh that uh you uh

16:45if you ride through there uh when you

16:48leave here today

16:50uh you will see

16:53uh that uh uh that Will Cox tunnel uh

16:57has not been cleaned and if they can't

17:00clean it uh then they need to tell us

17:02that they can't clean it but they need

17:04to find somebody

17:07uh to clean it. Thank you.

17:12>> All right. Anybody else that would like

17:14to address the council on the FY27

17:17budget amendment?

17:23Good afternoon, council. My name is

17:25Kelvin Scott. I'm in district 8. Um, I

17:29just first want to commend on how I'm

17:31seeing a lot of uh streets being paved,

17:34potholes or whatever being fixed,

17:36especially from that bunny all the way

17:38down Glass Street. Uh, my request is

17:41that y'all consider doing the same thing

17:44for Chamberlain. It's a lot of potholes,

17:46especially over there by about Orange

17:48Grove. And as you coming up that hill,

17:52uh if if you could consider paving uh

17:56Chamberlain from Glass Street all the

17:58way down to Third Street, I think it's

18:00much needed. I appreciate your thoughts

18:02on that. Thank you.

18:09>> [snorts]

18:11>> Anyone else that would like to address

18:13the council on the FY27 proposed budget

18:16amendment?

18:21[snorts]

18:22All right. I am not seeing anyone else

18:25that would like to address the council

18:26at this time. So, at this time, I'm

18:28going to close our public hearing uh and

18:31turn the floor back over to um Chairman

18:33Davis. State the time.

18:35>> I'm sorry.

18:36>> At 3:40.

18:38>> State the time.

18:39>> Yeah.

18:39>> Okay. I am closing the floor at 3:40.

18:42>> Thank you, sir.

18:43>> Per the city attorney's instructions.

18:52>> Sorry.

18:57>> All right. Thank you, Councilman

18:58Henderson. Council, could I get a motion

19:01on the minutes from our previous

19:02meeting? So move second. Do

19:04>> have a motion properly seconded in the

19:06minutes [snorts] um from our October

19:0813th minute. Our October 13th meeting

19:11will stand as published. Um we'll turn

19:14now to our agenda for tonight

19:20and council as we look through starting

19:22with the ordinances on final reading.

19:24Please hit your lights if you have any

19:26questions or comments about those items.

19:29The ordinances on final reading.

19:32[snorts]

19:42I don't see any lights and so we will

19:45turn then to looking at our ordinances

19:48on first reading. We do have a few

19:50planning items that were deferred from

19:51last week. Um

19:55see Vice Chair Elliot, you're

19:56recognized.

19:58>> Thank you, Mr. here. Um for item E, um

20:02planning item 0099.

20:05Um this is if you guys remember, this is

20:08the item that my Ridgedale Neighborhood

20:10Association is doing a phenomenal job

20:13working with this developer to figure

20:15out uh how to make sure this works for

20:18their neighborhood. So council, tonight

20:20I'll be looking to make a motion to

20:22defer this for two more weeks at the

20:25request of the neighborhood association.

20:27They need to finalize a few more of the

20:30the the conditions around it and then we

20:33should be ready to go from there.

20:34>> That would be November 3rd.

20:37>> November 11th.

20:38>> I mean November 3rd, excuse me.

20:40>> 73.

20:41>> Yep. And if you're fine, Mr. Chair, I

20:44have one more item.

20:45>> Sure. Go ahead.

20:47>> For [clears throat] item F, I will be

20:50looking to approve this item with

20:51conditions that the clerk and both the

20:53city attorney has.

20:56We'll read them in at that time.

20:57>> Yes. Thank you, sir.

20:59>> Okay.

20:59>> That's all, Mr. Chair.

21:00>> Okay. [clears throat and cough]

21:01Councilman Clark, you're recognized.

21:03>> Thank you, Chairman Davis. Um, this is

21:05in reference to item C2026-0117

21:13for regarding the reszone property

21:15located at 3935 Cromwell Road. Uh,

21:20Karen, I did some additional research.

21:22If you remember when you when I asked

21:24what the justification was for this to

21:27turning this into this neighborhood

21:29zone, it was that the church was wanting

21:33to do a daycare.

21:35>> Yes.

21:35>> Um I later did some additional research

21:38and there aren't any applications or

21:41site plans have been submitted to the

21:42state for a daycare. What indications or

21:45site plans or conversations are you

21:47privy to that this is exactly what

21:49they're doing? because once they open up

21:51the zone and decide not to do a daycare,

21:54it opens up the possibilities for that

21:56list that you did. So, what's your

21:59knowledge about their plans for this

22:02daycare that is not on anyone's radar,

22:05including the states?

22:06>> Um, it's part of the application

22:08materials, their quest, but you're

22:10correct, council is looking at the zone,

22:12um, and all those available uses to it.

22:15Um, I would think that there might be an

22:17expectation to have the correct zoning

22:19in place before an application for a

22:20daycare could occur because usually it's

22:23making sure that's an allowable use

22:25before it goes through the rest of the

22:27process. Um, and then I did send the

22:30list of kind of all those potential

22:32uses, but you're correct and that once

22:34that CN zone goes into place, all those

22:36uses, I think that just looking at the

22:39list, we say 20 20 potential uses um,

22:42would be allowed there by right

22:44>> in 19 of those uses I would not want on

22:46the corner of Cromwell Road and

22:48Shallford. So, I will approve this with

22:51a conditions specific to the daycare.

22:54>> Understood. Okay.

22:55>> Yes. Thank you. Is that a conversation?

22:57I so none of the owners have reached out

23:00to me from that church and so I either

23:05if you would like to do that that's fine

23:07but otherwise I'm going to put a

23:08condition that's restricted to only the

23:10daycare.

23:11>> Um I think that is um I would think that

23:14would be acceptable and I can notify if

23:17the applicant's not here tonight. I will

23:19um just call them tomorrow and let them

23:20know that that's what happened on first

23:22reading.

23:22>> Okay. So, um just for the record, I

23:25would like to put I I'll approve this

23:28tonight with a condition

23:30uh specific to the daycare only

23:32excluding the other usages for the um

23:37neighborhood commercial zone.

23:38>> Um would you um consider keeping a

23:42church since there is a church on the

23:43property, allow a religious facility to

23:45still happen? Cuz just so there's no

23:47confusion in permitting that that would

23:49not be an allowed use. So that would be

23:51the church and the daycare, although

23:53it's in a residential zone.

23:55>> That's correct. And churches are allowed

23:57in residential zones due to that federal

23:59law.

24:00>> I just don't want a sale of a property

24:02and then all of a sudden it opens up for

24:04the commercial zone cuz that's this is

24:06not

24:08I have issues with commercial is

24:11properties in the middle of that

24:13residential area. So So I'll add the

24:15church and the daycare as a condition to

24:18that.

24:20>> [clears throat]

24:20>> and I will notify the applicant if

24:22they're not here tonight.

24:23>> Okay. Thank you so much.

24:24>> Thank you.

24:25>> I need to do that on the record this

24:27evening since substitute

24:30>> that all council member.

24:31>> Uh that's it. Uh Chairman Davis, thank

24:33you.

24:36>> All right, council. Any other questions

24:38or comments on any of our ordinances on

24:41first reading this evening?

24:47We'll turn then to resolutions.

24:51We do have several resolutions of

24:54different varieties on our agenda this

24:57evening. Are there any questions or

24:59comments about any of those?

25:02Council

25:06Councilwoman Hill, you're recognized.

25:07>> Hi. We're having a

25:10down here districts one and two are a

25:13little confused because we're looking at

25:15a resolution related to the Tennessee

25:17American Water Company and I have a

25:18digital version of it on page five as

25:20item G, but the paper version that

25:24Councilman Henderson has does not have

25:27it listed as resolution item G under

25:32>> Yes. I I think there was a a

25:34typographical error when the agenda was

25:38uh was first put together where um the

25:41city's attorney city attorney's office

25:43had put it on tonight's agenda, but the

25:45correct date is November 3rd for that

25:48resolution.

25:49>> November 3rd.

25:50>> Yeah.

25:51>> Okay. I will now be quiet and let

25:53Councilman I think Councilman Henderson

25:54has questions. Okay. So, I'm looking at

25:56old version.

25:56>> Councilman Henderson.

25:58So, I I guess I was not aware that it

26:01had been moved to do November 3rd. I was

26:04aware or I was told that it was going to

26:06be on today's agenda. What, Mr.

26:09Attorney? What What has happened that

26:11we're now November the 3rd?

26:15>> I thought we had a request to move it to

26:18November the 3. [clears throat]

26:22>> So, are we talking about the

26:24>> the Raccoon Mountain?

26:25>> Oh, water agreement. No,

26:27>> this is something

26:32works and wastewater.

26:34>> Where what page are you on?

26:36>> I'm on page five of the agenda for

26:38October 20th. It was a digital version

26:40that was in our

26:43folder.

26:45>> Can you uh recognize me, Mr. Chair?

26:47>> Sure.

26:47>> Item is related to companies,

26:50>> but it's no longer on the

26:52>> Can I see your G? Sorry. I'm sorry. I

26:54don't have that.

26:55>> I perhaps I have a

26:58>> Well, I know at one time I thought it

27:00was on the agenda for

27:03>> Okay, so that is the uh raccoon uh

27:06mountain one. Okay, so there is another

27:08Let just for clarity, there is another

27:11resolution associated with Tennessee

27:13American Water with lead piping.

27:14>> Yeah. Yeah.

27:15>> That will be on the agenda that was

27:17accidentally placed on the agenda for

27:18today that's been moved to November 3rd.

27:21But the one that he's referring to,

27:23Chairman Davis, actually refers to

27:25Raccoon Mountain.

27:26>> And that should be on tonight's agenda.

27:28I'm not sure.

27:29>> Yeah. And it was on the digital

27:31>> It was on the 3-week agenda.

27:33>> Yes.

27:33>> Two weeks ago. [snorts]

27:35>> Yeah. This it's on my digital version.

27:37>> Yeah. And I'm not sure.

27:38>> On an earlier digital version

27:41is not on our hard copy.

27:44>> Okay. So, Mr. attorney. What do we need

27:47to do to get it properly before us? Or

27:50is it properly before us if it's on a

27:52digital version? And

27:53>> if it's on a digital version that is

27:55published, it is properly before you,

27:57but I I'm having to look right now.

27:59>> I know Maria was sick yesterday on on

28:02our end of it here, but we'll double

28:03check.

28:06>> What is the date?

28:11>> I have to look.

28:16version is 1016 at 210.

28:20Let's see what's in that.

28:23>> Well, the newest

28:26does not have

28:28>> So, I've got one at 103 and one at 853.

28:33>> Yeah,

28:36>> but I looked through next week

28:39[clears throat] agenda and it is not

28:41appear.

28:43[clears throat]

28:45No, it should be on tonight. Um,

28:47>> that's what I thought.

28:48>> Yeah, because it was on there.

28:50>> Let me double check and make sure.

28:51>> And if it's not on there, we can make a

28:53motion to two of us can make a motion to

28:55put it on the agenda for tonight.

28:56>> That's right.

28:59>> If that's what we need to do, we can

29:01certainly do that.

29:06>> Doesn't have to be public. It it has

29:09been previous

29:10>> been previously public noticed,

29:12>> but it's sure not showing on my 853

29:15version this morning.

29:16>> Yeah, that is strange. I'm glad you all

29:19caught that.

29:21>> Yeah, should have been.

29:22>> Not to be confused with what we're doing

29:23on the third.

29:24>> Yeah, that's where my initial

29:26>> That's what I thought they were talking

29:27about.

29:30>> Right. So, I'd like to make a motion um

29:33just to cover ourselves um with a proper

29:36second to go to hear item G as it

29:39relates to Tennessee American Water

29:41Company uh and Raccoon Mountain to be

29:44placed on the agenda for tonight for

29:46consideration.

29:49>> Back on

29:49>> to be placed back on the agenda tonight

29:52for consideration. Second.

29:55>> All right, we do have a motion properly

29:57seconded. Um, any other questions or

30:00comments about this issue? Oh, yes.

30:02Councilwoman Birds,

30:03>> will we get we

30:05>> see that? Because I the last agenda I

30:07looked at, which I that's what I was

30:10studying off of, is it's not on there.

30:12So,

30:14>> yeah, we will

30:14>> I'd need a reminder of what we're voting

30:16on,

30:17>> right?

30:19We will um

30:22>> Yes, we will get that and send it out.

30:26>> Mr. Attorney, Mr. clearly showing on the

30:29the agenda here uh for Wednesday,

30:31October the 14th. So, we'll get a get a

30:34copy of that to you.

30:35>> Okay.

30:35>> Oh,

30:37>> all right. Any other questions or

30:39comments on this issue, council?

30:42All right. All in favor?

30:44>> I. Any opposed?

30:46>> And the motion prevails. And so, we will

30:48get that item back on the agenda

30:51>> tonight. [clears throat]

30:52>> Tonight. Yes.

30:53>> Yes. [snorts]

30:54>> Okay. And thanks again for for catching

30:56that.

30:59Okay. Any other questions or comments,

31:02council on resolutions,

31:09>> Mr. Chair?

31:10>> Oh, yes.

31:11>> Um, I have a presentation on the

31:14historic landmark resolution. Uh, Rick,

31:16if that's okay.

31:18>> Okay. Yeah, you're welcome.

31:19>> You guys want to hear that?

31:20>> Address that now if you'd like. Sure.

31:22>> Okay.

31:23We just said no.

31:27>> Well, we're open for

31:27>> you know we can hear you on this.

31:29[laughter]

31:32>> Uh council a point of personal

31:34privilege. Is it okay that I do the

31:36presentation for my seat or would you

31:37like me to join you? [snorts]

31:39>> Yep.

31:41>> Yes.

31:42>> There.

31:43>> Okay. Thank you so much. I just wanted

31:44to make sure that was okay with the

31:48permission of my colleagues. Um I'll be

31:50really quick with this. I'm really

31:52excited about this and um and I'll be

31:54very candid. Um historic u landmarks and

31:58Rick are you okay if I just do this that

32:01means okay sorry that's probably the

32:03caveat of being at the podium. Um for

32:06the last 30 years we have been a city

32:09that has not added to our repertoire of

32:12historic landmarks. We have some

32:14beautiful neighborhoods like Ferg, St.

32:17Elmo, uh, Fortwood, Battery Place that

32:20are all a part of our historic landmark

32:22portfolio

32:24and those neighborhoods are thriving

32:26really well. And there's two types of

32:28designations. There's landmarks and then

32:30there's districts which includes homes.

32:33Uh, the resolution that's before us

32:34tonight is specific to the landmarks.

32:37And I want to thank uh the office of

32:40land development and Cassie Klein who's

32:41with us today who will be here solely as

32:44technical

32:46um advice on what the landmark process

32:49is. I know there's been some confusion.

32:51There's been some robust discussion.

32:52This is new for us in that we haven't

32:55done it in a long time. So we're kind of

32:57wiping the cobwees out and there's a lot

32:59of ir caution about a couple things. But

33:01we can do hard things uh even when they

33:05come with questions or controversy. But

33:07we will not let grass grow under our

33:09feet. We live in a city where we've lost

33:11a lot of really important buildings like

33:13Engle Stadium is is set to be demolished

33:15by UTC. The medical arts building is set

33:18to be demolished by First Presbyterian.

33:20And so we heard from the preservation

33:23local landmark community that we've got

33:25to do something. And we're authorized as

33:28a council to make an application and to

33:30make that recommendation to the historic

33:31planning commission. And then they make

33:33that recommendation back to council. Um,

33:36I became really interested in this in

33:38our inaugural historic preservation town

33:41hall meeting with some consultants from

33:43Nashville Preserve Chattanooga, Linda

33:45Moss Mine. Uh, I was joined by Vice

33:48Chairman Elliot and Councilman Harvey to

33:50hear from the community about why we

33:52want to save historic buildings,

33:55including historic

33:57uh, cemeteries, Confederate cemeteries,

34:00African-American cemeteries, and Jewish

34:02cemeteries. Uh and you'll see that in

34:04our presentation uh moving forward. Um

34:07so here's our table of con contents.

34:09What is a landmark? We're going to go

34:11through that because I think that's

34:12important. If you could go to the next

34:14slide, Rick. Keep going.

34:17So as you know, we only have one

34:19historic landmark that recently sold in

34:21Councilman Elliot's district, I think,

34:23for $4.2 million.

34:24>> Four $4 million. It was the

34:27>> $4.4 million. So that's uh um that's

34:31really interesting. But Frank Lloyd

34:33Wright, as you know, was a famous um

34:37architect who designed a beautiful home

34:39on Missionary Reach, but it's the only

34:40landmark that we have in the city of

34:42Chattanooga that's actually protected by

34:44the law.

34:48So, how do we designate something as a

34:50historic landmark? One, it has to meet

34:53several criterias by our land

34:54development office and our historic

34:57zoning commission that's appointed by

34:58city council members. So, one, it has to

35:01have historical events, significant

35:02people. Um, the architectural merit, for

35:06instance, city hall was designed by RH

35:08Hunt. Our federal courthouse and county

35:10courthouse is RH Hunt, which is a

35:12nationally renown, internationally

35:13renowned architect. The archeological

35:16significance of it. Um, and and if it's

35:19on the historic registry, there's a

35:20misnomer that if you register a site for

35:23historic registry that it's protected,

35:25not necessarily. It just means that

35:26we're acknowledging as historic, but

35:28it's not protected, meaning they could

35:30be torn down or you could build a house

35:32on top of a cemetery. Next slide. So,

35:35there are four types of people, and this

35:38is why this is interesting to you all

35:40tonight, or four types of groups that

35:42can actually put in an application.

35:44Okay, let me pause right there. We are

35:45putting in an application meaning that

35:48we are asking the land development

35:50office staff to begin the application

35:53process and then I'll ask Case Cassie to

35:56come up and just briefly talk about what

35:58some of the details in the application

35:59process. The city council can do it, a

36:02neighborhood association, a property

36:05owner can do it or historic civic or

36:07professional group can actually put

36:10forth an application to be considered by

36:12the historic zoning commission.

36:15So once the application is submitted,

36:17because this is the important part that

36:19we have as a right as citizens, if we

36:21think buildings are important and we

36:23believe in preserving the historic

36:25nature of buildings, African-American

36:27heritage, Jewish heritage, Civil War

36:29heritage, we have a right under state

36:32law to submit that for consideration to

36:34be preserved. You first submit an

36:36application, which is what we are will

36:37be voting on tonight, asking the land

36:39development office to submit an

36:41application on our behalf. There will be

36:44a public meeting which anybody that has

36:46issue with this say a private property

36:48owner they can come forth to the public

36:50and say hey you know what I don't think

36:53this is historic I don't want to be

36:55under those guidelines that

36:57recommendation then goes to the historic

36:59zoning commission they make a

37:01recommendation just similar to what we

37:03do with our reszone they make a

37:06recommendation to the city council the

37:08people you vote for to actually put this

37:10in the ordinance and we either

37:13uh will deny it or approve it. But the

37:15awesome thing is is that it goes before

37:18a public meeting, meaning there's plenty

37:20of input, plenty of opportunity for us

37:23to do outreach to owners and

37:24constituents and to prepare the

37:26application. Now, if there is no

37:29recommendation, the memorial the

37:31moratorum ends. In this case, in

37:33tonight's resolution, there aren't

37:35anything there there most of which are

37:38we're going to get to some of the

37:39specific sites that we're adding there.

37:41A moratorum means that once we put in an

37:43application that means we stop building

37:46or we stop developing until we can

37:48determine what we have to preserve.

37:50Okay. But that piece a moratorium does

37:53not impact any of the properties that

37:54we're putting forth tonight. Okay. Next

37:57slide.

37:59So there's three parts of what is in our

38:01resolution tonight which I want to

38:03emphasize and I'll read it again because

38:04I know some people have misread this. A

38:07resolution to the city council of the

38:09city of Chattanooga, Tennessee,

38:10directing city staff, raise your hand.

38:13She works for the city of Chattanooga to

38:15research local historic landmarks

38:18research.

38:19Conduct outreach to owners and

38:22constituents. That means talking to

38:24owners cuz we want your feedback about

38:26what should be in the application before

38:27it goes before historic zoning

38:29commission. And prepare an application.

38:32meaning we will never prepare an

38:33application without input cuz I know

38:36some of you all are concerned about

38:37private property rights. This does not

38:40infringe on that. They are part of the

38:42process. Does everybody get that? Okay,

38:46next slide. So this is what we are

38:48recommending. Um as you know we

38:50discovered and Linda Moss Mines could

38:52not be here but she's our state local

38:54historian. Often times black cemeteries

38:57are purchased by private developers and

38:59they build on them. That has actually

39:00happened in the city of Chattanooga in

39:02St. Elmo recently as a month ago. And so

39:05we're taking precautions to protect

39:08these cemeteries that often go unkempt.

39:11And part of that is Beck Knob, uh,

39:13Pleasant Gardians. Becknob, I think, is

39:15in your district, uh, Councilwoman Hill,

39:17and I know you've worked with those

39:18organizations to keep that cemetery

39:20clean, but it's not protected. Do you

39:23see the language? It's not protected. I

39:24mean, we can like it, but if it's not

39:27protected under historic zoning, people

39:29can purchase it and build on top of it.

39:32Pleasant Gardens is a a a famous u

39:36African-American seminary where Ed

39:38Johnson is buried, the Scottsboro boys

39:40are buried, and just just very prominent

39:43people in the African-American community

39:46who own businesses off of East Ninth

39:47Street are buried in Pleasant Gardens.

39:50It is not preserved through the Tonight,

39:52we will make an application to do that.

39:54Next slide. We also have Confederate the

39:57Confederate cemetery uh which is a part

39:59of our history. I know there's some

40:00controversy about depending on what side

40:03of the fence you're on with who won

40:06which war and who did not. But history

40:08is history and we must honor those who

40:10were a part of it who are now deceased.

40:12And that also includes our Confederate

40:14soldiers which in this case includes

40:17children who fought for the Confederate

40:18who are buried in some of these

40:20graveyards without names. Uh the city

40:23also owns a cemetery. These by the way

40:26these particular cemeteries, the mitzvah

40:28cemetery which is a Jewish cemetery, the

40:30city cemetery and the confederate

40:32cemetery are all on one they are

40:34separate but they are all on one land

40:36mass. Next slide and not protected. We

40:39also have the Brainer Mission Cemetery,

40:41which as you know was um erected by uh

40:45missionaries who came into our community

40:47uh to do some amazing work um in the

40:50African-American indigenous community.

40:52Uh we also have the Silverdale Comm

40:54Confederate Cemetery that's been added

40:56to the list and the Forest Hill

40:58Cemetery. And that should conclude our

41:01cemetery list. Uh now we have our RH

41:04Hunt buildings as you know is a famous

41:07architect. Uh most famously the building

41:10that's been torn down is the medical

41:12arts building. Um so we're going to go a

41:14step further making sure that does not

41:16happen again. And we come to find out

41:17the city owns a bunch of RH Hunt

41:19buildings including the building that

41:21you're in today. Um adding to this list

41:24with the support of our mayor and the

41:26land development office we have city

41:28hall. We have soldiers and sailors in

41:30the Tivoli theater. I do want to take a

41:32pause there because we did have some

41:34very robust conversation

41:37uh from the Tivy Foundation. They are

41:40the organization that although the city

41:42owns the building, they did put forth

41:44concerns and a letter to our city

41:45attorney indicated that they had

41:47concerns that this designation or this

41:50application would interfere with some of

41:51their financing and funding to complete

41:54their renovations. U that has not been

41:57proven. Again, this is an application

41:59process, meaning that once we get to

42:02that point, um, and Cassie, you can

42:04speak to that during the application

42:05process. I think there's a lot of

42:07misperceptions, and I did speak with

42:09Nick Wilkerson before this meeting. I

42:10think he understands it now cuz he read

42:12the resolution. But putting forth an

42:14application allows us to start the

42:17process. I'll read it again. To conduct

42:20outreach to owners and constituents and

42:22to prepare an application. We would

42:25never prepare application on city

42:26buildings that we own that would

42:28prohibit the Tivoli Foundation or

42:30anybody else from gathering the funding

42:33to complete the renovations. Okay,

42:36[snorts]

42:37next slide.

42:39Some other landmarks includes the Walden

42:42Hospital, as you know, is a famous

42:44African-American hospital um that has

42:47been placed that is not on the historic

42:49registry. It's not protected. Uh we also

42:52have the infamous link, not infamous but

42:55Lincoln Park. I think we may have some

42:56Lincoln Park people here today. Uh this

42:59was a major recreational historic iconic

43:02place for African-Americans to gather uh

43:05during segregation and uh the park is

43:08owned by Erlanger and the community has

43:10fought for a very long time to revert

43:13this park back in back to an area that

43:16is preserved. Um, and I'm happy to

43:20report that tonight when this passes

43:22that we'll be able to begin the

43:23application process. We also have First

43:26Baptist Church, Shiloh Baptist Church,

43:28which as you know was the first place

43:30where Martin Luther King came to deliver

43:32to apply for a job before he went to

43:35back to Atlanta to pastor's dad's

43:37church, eventually starting the uh civil

43:40rights movement. So

43:44other local landmarks includes the

43:45Briner Municipal Golf Course in my

43:47district which celebrated 100 years this

43:49on October the 25th. We also have the

43:51public library which also celebrated its

43:5350th anniversary on Saturday. Another

43:56city these are all city-owned buildings.

43:58Next slide.

44:00In addition, we have what I would call

44:03East Nin Street. And this is the most

44:05fascinating part about this. Um I think

44:07in the 80s Cassie, what year was it?

44:091989.

44:11>> Uh ML King, as you know, was the wall

44:13street for our black economy in the city

44:16of Chattanooga. Once you reached

44:17Chattanooga after the Civil War, this

44:19was a place where you could thrive as a

44:21black person because you were under

44:22Union control. Knife Street was a part

44:25of that renaissance where we had

44:27steakous, businesses, movie theaters. 15

44:30of those buildings were designated as

44:32historic buildings in 1989.

44:35Unfortunately, only seven of those

44:36historic buildings that you see on your

44:38screen exist today and they are not

44:40preserved. And I think a part of the

44:42rich African-American history of

44:44Chattanooga, we have to at least have

44:47start having the conversations with the

44:49property owners about what preservation

44:51looks like so we don't lose a piece of

44:53that, a piece of our history as

44:55African-Americans and as Chattanooga. So

44:58again, when it's registered, it's not

45:00protected, meaning they can tear it

45:01down. Tonight, the application process

45:04allows us to have the conversations with

45:06the property owners on how to preserve

45:08it. Next slide.

45:11So, those are all that's um that's all I

45:14have. I wanted to do that very quick

45:16just for the record. Um again, this is

45:19an it does our vote tonight does not

45:23imply that we would interfere with

45:25anybody's financing on the tivy of the

45:27memorial. That is not proven by any

45:29attorney. Uh secondly, preservation.

45:33This is the first step as outlined in

45:35our ordinance. Somebody's got to start

45:37the application and start the

45:38conversation about how we preserve

45:40buildings because we will start losing

45:41them as we as our city begins to grow.

45:44And history and heritage is a part of

45:47who we are and how we move forward um in

45:50the future and how we develop our bu

45:52buildings and our corridors so we don't

45:54erase history. Cassie, can you join me

45:57at the uh podium to for some technical

45:59questions? I know we'll have some from

46:01our council members. Could you briefly

46:03describe the application process? It's

46:05not in it's not on the the screen, but

46:08>> Yeah, sure. Um Cassie Klein, I'm the

46:10zoning development manager for City of

46:12Chattanooga, the land development

46:13office, and we've been working on these

46:15resolutions to kind of kick off some

46:17research and outreach, like Councilman

46:18Clark said, to look at historic

46:20resources in the city of Chattanooga.

46:22Again, um this resolution is just to

46:25kind of direct staff to begin that

46:27outreach and research project. An

46:29application does have um specific

46:31materials that are required for it to be

46:33complete. So, we would need the actual

46:35application itself, a legal description,

46:37we'll need um a boundary showing where

46:39the local historic landmark is, pictures

46:41of existing conditions, a historical

46:43narrative, and then we'll also need to

46:45develop guidelines for these individual

46:48landmarks um that are best suited to

46:51ensure their preservation. Those

46:53guidelines are going to be what's

46:54applicable if there are proposed

46:57demolitions or alterations to the

46:59building and that's what staff or the

47:00historic zoning commission would make

47:02would would use when they're reviewing

47:05those certificates of appropriateness.

47:07So all of that material would need to be

47:10gathered in conjunction with the

47:11appropriate stakeholders prior to the

47:13application itself being made.

47:15>> Gotcha. So, I just want to reiterate

47:17before I open the uh floor up for

47:18questions, is that all you're doing is

47:22doing the research, which includes, and

47:23which we have, by the way, those

47:25property owners that we have not been

47:27able to talk to verbally as a courtesy.

47:30We did send them letters and hoping that

47:32they would contact us. Some of them are

47:33in LLC's. Uh we've had conversations

47:35with all the cemetery and some of the

47:38and of course the city- owned buildings.

47:40Again, thank you to the administration

47:41for your support and work on that, which

47:43includes Cassie. Thank you so much. Um,

47:47again reiterate that this is part of

47:50this process and and Rick, if you could

47:52go back to that slideshow that shows I

47:54think it's the second slide and you

47:56could just pause there or go back to D

48:04one more one more right there. Um, if

48:08you could just reiterate that during the

48:10public input process, that's when we as

48:13a staff, including yourself, will do the

48:16due diligence with the property owner

48:18cuz that's what they're really, really

48:19concerned about. They're really

48:20concerned about property owners. And

48:22most of us are concerned about

48:25preservation and making sure these

48:26historic and places full of history and

48:29heritages don't get lost or destroyed.

48:31So, could you read it right there for

48:32the number two? So if you check the

48:35flowchart on the screen, the moratorum

48:38that goes into place when an application

48:40is submitted, that is not something that

48:41would go into place tonight based on the

48:43resolution that's been presented to you.

48:45That moratorum would only go into place

48:47once a formal application has been

48:49submitted. Um, I would imagine and I

48:52think the ordinance outlines that staff

48:53would come back and periodically update

48:55you all as a council to let you know

48:57when those applications would be ready

48:58for submission so that you can say yes

49:01as council make that submission. Then at

49:03that point it would go to a public

49:05meeting that we would have um either

49:07here or at the development resource

49:09center. We would invite obviously the

49:11property owners and the community that

49:12is engaged with nominating these local

49:15historic landmarks and then it would

49:17have another public hearing at the

49:18historic zoning commission and that's

49:20where potentially a vote would take

49:21place similar to the way planning

49:23commission functions but for a local

49:25historic landmark application.

49:27>> And then from there back to you all at

49:28city council.

49:29>> Thank you. All right. Uh Chairman Davis,

49:31if you could stay at the podium, I'd

49:33like to open the floor for questions.

49:34>> Sure. It looks like we might have a few.

49:36Um, Councilwoman Dotley, you're

49:38recognized.

49:39>> Thank you so much, uh, Mr. Chair, and

49:41thank you, Councilman Clark, for the,

49:43uh, updated presentation. I understand

49:45that this is an application. Um, but,

49:48uh, I I'll be making an amendment to

49:50this one today, uh, to, uh, exclude the

49:54Tivoli, Soldiers, and Sailors, and

49:57Forest Hill Cemetery. I did speak to

50:01Nick uh, and he is not in agreement with

50:03this. Not just that, this is a

50:04multi-year [clears throat and laughter]

50:06project they've worked on for years. And

50:08when before I even got on council and

50:12the the funding that the city's put in,

50:14anything that's going to even remotely

50:17put the TIV in any type of financial

50:22tie, any type of financial issue, I

50:25cannot support. uh we have to make sure

50:27that we are you know I understand that

50:30no attorney has

50:32reviewed it or whatever the case is but

50:34we should never put

50:36any any business or organization in in a

50:39situation where there may be an issue

50:41especially when this is a multi-year

50:43project and a multi-million dollar

50:45project that the city has also invested

50:47in in addition to those who have

50:49invested in it as private uh individuals

50:52in addition um we are we Now, if it's a

50:56city building, I that's understandable.

50:58I think I had mentioned that to you

50:59before. Uh, but we are putting in

51:01applications for people that didn't ask

51:02for them. And that to me is government

51:04overreach. Um, I'm not a super

51:07conservative or super liberal or

51:09anything like that, but whenever the

51:10government begins to say, I'm going to

51:12make an application on your behalf that

51:16it's not a city building. It is it is a

51:18a private property or some type of

51:21private public partnership. That to me

51:24is government overreach. So, when I see

51:26when I saw all these in here, um, like

51:29the first one, the city hall one, hey,

51:31let's let's go for it. Let's do it. Uh,

51:33but for those those ones that are not

51:36cityowned properties, I don't think it

51:39is uh just for us to say, well, we want

51:43to reserve it.

51:45>> We going to reserve it. We're going to

51:46put your application in and then we'll

51:48consider taking it off. That is very

51:51much government overreach. And as a city

51:53council, I would hope that we're not

51:55moving in that direction. Um, so that

51:57though that's my concern and council, I

51:59do plan to make an amendment to exclude

52:02the Tivoli Soldiers and Sailor as well

52:04as Forest Hills, which is in uh District

52:077. I hadn't heard from them, but I don't

52:09believe they've uh been totally engaged,

52:12but I understand there will be, as you

52:14said, Councilman Clark, uh a public

52:17meeting for that. Uh but I want to go

52:19ahead and exclude them. And I rather on

52:21the back end

52:23talk to them and then say, "Hey, are you

52:26interested in this?" And if so, if

52:28you're interested in this, then go ahead

52:30and

52:32uh get your application started. But I

52:34the government overreach here to say I'm

52:37going to put an application in for you

52:39whether you like it or not, even if it's

52:41private property. That that to me is a

52:44violation of of private property rights.

52:46And that is that is way too far from

52:48government overreach. So, those are my

52:51uh those are my concerns. Like I said,

52:53city buildings, hey, let's go for it.

52:54Let's do it. That's within our purview.

52:57Uh especially this building when

52:58especially the jump uh Franklin building

53:01uh and especially as RH Hunt design. I'm

53:04100% for that. But again, just want to

53:07reiterate uh my concerns and issues with

53:11with with this. And so, I will be making

53:13that that amendment tonight for that

53:14one. So, thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank

53:16you, Councilman Clark. Thank you and

53:18council.

53:19Councilman Clark, you're recognized.

53:21>> Thank you. I do. Uh, and Councilwoman

53:23Dolly, thank you. I know you are support

53:25I just want to be on the record. You are

53:27in support of historic preservation. I

53:29know you are and I and I hear and I I

53:31hear and respect your concerns and I

53:33think they're valid and I think part of

53:37this process is having the conversation

53:39about what gives us pause. Um, and I'm

53:42okay with that. I think that's part of

53:45the public input process. But this

53:48actually goes a little step further. Um,

53:52be before the public input process is

53:54before the application is submitted. And

53:56I think this is the portion that a lot

53:57of people are missing. Uh, because you

54:00said we're making an application on

54:01somebody else's behalf. We're not. So

54:04the first paragraph in the resolution,

54:08and I think she mentioned this, um,

54:10specifically talks about that outreach

54:12component and working with the property

54:14owner as we prepare the application. Is

54:16that not the case, Cassie? As it reads

54:19in the resolution. And so, just for the

54:21record, we would never

54:23um impose on uh individual property

54:26rights. I respect that. But I also

54:30understand that we also as citizens

54:32reserve the right, which is why you all

54:33made appointments to the historic zoning

54:35commission. that if we thought something

54:38was historic that we would follow this

54:41process as outline outlined in the

54:43ordinance or else you wouldn't have made

54:44those appointments to the historic

54:45zoning commission or we should

54:47decommission it if y'all don't believe

54:48that that process still works. The

54:51process is the application submitted and

54:53as it's stated in the ordinance we're

54:55not making applications on behalf of

54:57private property owners. We're

54:59authorizing her to have those

55:02conversations and to do that due

55:03diligence to include them in on those

55:06conversations because at the end of the

55:07day we believe that the buildings that

55:10they're own, the cemeteries which houses

55:12historic figures like governors

55:14including Forest Hill uh houses u a

55:17Tennessee governor and we believe that

55:20those places should be historic. So

55:22they're not

55:24not saying this would ever happen to

55:25Forest Hill, but it did happen in your

55:27district where a cit where as Linda Moss

55:30I think she reported here publicly that

55:33in district 7 a black cemetery was

55:36purchased and there are two houses on

55:38them as we currently speak. So

55:40preserving African-American cemeteries

55:42like Forest Hills I think is important.

55:44And I don't think it's overreach. I

55:46think is actually underreach for us not

55:49to take the step and doing what we are

55:52allowed to do in the ordinance and say,

55:54"Hey, this is historic and to go through

55:56the process." And all you're voting on

55:59tonight is to say, "Hey, I am voting on

56:02the process and I respect that process

56:04because I respect why we're preserving

56:07it." Um, as it relates to the Tivoli,

56:10um, I know you were not present during

56:11the, uh, attorney client meeting that we

56:13had and we discussed this, uh, right

56:16around 2:15 today. I did speak with Nick

56:18Wilkerson. He he himself had not read

56:22the resolution um, and was confused

56:24about whether or not this was an

56:26application process that would interfere

56:28with his funding and including our city

56:31attorney had not had that conversation

56:32with the city council or Nick Wilkerson

56:34regarding this until today. Um, and I

56:38just want to be on the record in saying

56:40that the funding that he's specifically

56:42referring to is CPACE, uh, which is

56:45money that they use for financing for

56:47environmental conservation and that this

56:50application does not interfere with any

56:51funding. Um, and neither is that the

56:55letter that they sent to us, it also

56:58does not specify that. It does say

57:01accordingly the foundation cannot agree

57:03to and will not voluntarily submit to

57:06additional property specific

57:07restrictions to the extent they conflict

57:10or materially impair its existing

57:12contractual rights. We're not doing that

57:15in this resolution. We're actually

57:17passing a resolution to have that

57:19conversation about why it's important to

57:22preserve the Tivoli and the memorial

57:24auditorium which are owned by the city.

57:26So, I just want to kind of put that into

57:28context because I know there's been some

57:30conversations that have percolated this

57:32afternoon prior to council meeting um

57:34starting.

57:36>> Mr. Chair, do you mind if I just

57:38>> ask question? Sure. On the top of this

57:39resolution, the resolution of the city

57:42council of the city council city

57:46>> I'm sorry. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I

57:47apologize. And whoever was next in the

57:48queue, I apologize. uh city staff to

57:51research local historic landmarks,

57:53conduct outreach to owners and

57:54constituents, and it says prepare

57:57applications for their debt. It says it.

57:59So, I don't know if that needs to be

58:00removed from the language. Also, down in

58:02section one B, it says prepare all

58:05document all documentation required for

58:07a complete LHL application, including

58:11historical narrative, autographs, and

58:14blas blas. Um, so I I hear what you're

58:18saying, but at the top of this it says

58:20and prepare applications for their

58:23designation. So it's saying and that's

58:26So So I hear what you're saying, but the

58:29resolution isn't saying that. It's

58:30saying it's going to and prepare. It

58:33doesn't say or or might or anything like

58:36that. It says and prepare. Mr. attorney.

58:38When it says and prepare applications

58:41for their designation, that means

58:43whatever we vote on, they can do all the

58:45research and prepare. Is that correct?

58:48>> Yes, ma'am.

58:49>> Okay. So, but

58:52so

58:53>> do you mind?

58:54>> Yeah, please. If you

58:55>> part of and I think you mentioned this

58:56in your presentation, the AND

58:59preparation also has to come back before

59:01the city council. So part of the and

59:04application

59:06is to have that conversation that after

59:09we've done our due diligence and our

59:10outreach, which by the way, we most of

59:13these buildings, if not all of these

59:14buildings are owned by the city.

59:17>> Um I know you mentioned Forest Hill. We

59:19would love to have a conversation with

59:20them. Um we've had issues reaching out

59:22to them. I think they're the only

59:24person.

59:24>> Yes.

59:25>> Uh we have sent out letters to some of

59:27the uh owners on ML King. So they are

59:29aware. Matter of fact, the owners of MLK

59:30King have been aware of historic

59:32reservation since 1989 when it came on

59:35the registry. Uh, but Cassie, if you

59:37could reiterate again that part of that

59:39and application that once we do the due

59:43diligence and the outreach, the

59:45application comes back to the city

59:46council for our review and then if we if

59:50we're okay with that and application, we

59:52will go through the process again.

59:55That's in our city ordinance.

59:57>> Yes. Um, and if that's something I think

1:00:00it's written at I don't have the

1:00:01resolution in front of me, I'm sorry.

1:00:02But towards the end it says that staff

1:00:04will do those periodic check-ins. So if

1:00:06there's maybe some language that needs

1:00:07to be amended to really clarify that.

1:00:10But ultimately if an application is

1:00:12submitted, there's a public meeting, a

1:00:14historic zoning commission meeting, and

1:00:16then if it passes through historic

1:00:17zoning commission, it will be back in

1:00:19front of you at city council.

1:00:22>> So you are making an application. So the

1:00:25resolution is directing us to begin the

1:00:27outreach and the research and make the

1:00:31applications.

1:00:31>> That's what Laura Hammers. Okay. And the

1:00:34second part I had a question about was

1:00:36the moratorum. So once the application

1:00:39So I'm looking at the process

1:00:40application public meeting depending on

1:00:43the recommendation. If it's uh a

1:00:46recommendation is made to do it then

1:00:49well no recommendation well

1:00:51recommendations made to do it then

1:00:53wait so the tivy is building out right

1:00:55now would they have to stop building

1:00:59>> no

1:00:59>> no

1:01:00>> for this okay but this is saying and

1:01:03make an application which then puts them

1:01:05and this is a public meeting so now

1:01:07their lenders and and their investors

1:01:10and everybody's going to hear this and

1:01:11see this and then that's going to cause

1:01:14issue because it regardless of what an

1:01:17at if I'm a lender, if I'm a I'm a

1:01:20investor, whatever the case is, and I

1:01:22hear that there's about to be this right

1:01:24here, there's going to be an additional

1:01:26designation that may potentially harm my

1:01:28investment, there's going to be an issue

1:01:30there, and we if the city has, like I

1:01:32said, before I got here, they had been

1:01:34working on this. Uh so I'll just say um

1:01:38council I will be again um you know

1:01:41making an amendment to because Forest

1:01:43Hills they are they had some switch of

1:01:45management um and everything so I don't

1:01:47I don't mind reaching out to them at

1:01:49all. Um, but I will be asking to remove

1:01:53Forest Hills, Tivoli, and Soldiers and

1:01:56Sailors Auditorium so that we can have

1:01:58some additional conversations with them

1:01:59prior to this because all of these are

1:02:01private properties and I want to make

1:02:04sure that they understand this process

1:02:07and um also get opportunity to speak to

1:02:10um some of their their funders as well.

1:02:12So, I just wanted to make y'all aware of

1:02:15that and uh and that is that is all. So,

1:02:17thank you so much Councilman Clark.

1:02:18Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you for

1:02:20bearing with me. I know I'm not in the

1:02:21queue, so thank you.

1:02:22>> Thank you.

1:02:24Sorry, [laughter]

1:02:25>> Councilwoman Bur. You're recognized.

1:02:27>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, Councilman

1:02:30Clark, I I appreciate your passion on

1:02:31this resolution. I mean, we've talked

1:02:33about it and and you're such a neat

1:02:35person, and when I listen to you talk

1:02:39about the research you've done, I get

1:02:40excited about what um, you know, what we

1:02:44can do to protect and preserve our

1:02:46heritage. you said something um in your

1:02:48remarks that you said we're voting on a

1:02:50process and it finally clicked with me

1:02:52when you said that that if we're voting

1:02:54on a process then I'm wondering go you

1:02:58know I'm wondering the necessity for

1:03:00listing the all the entities

1:03:03and and so I I would be in favor of an

1:03:08amendment that keeps the process exactly

1:03:10the way it is but just remove the list

1:03:14of names we know who who the list is. I

1:03:17mean, you've put you and and the folks

1:03:19that have been working with you on this

1:03:21have put together a fantastic list and

1:03:23you and I have talked about others that

1:03:25we want, you know, wouldn't it be great

1:03:26if we got, you know, the old Brainer

1:03:29Junior High School or the, you know,

1:03:31we've talked about other entities that

1:03:35if that's a sticking point

1:03:37and the process is good, I don't know

1:03:39how everybody feels about the process,

1:03:41but you said it. We're voting on the

1:03:43process. The process

1:03:44>> voting on the application. Well, I

1:03:46>> and we're adhering to the process, which

1:03:48is on your screen.

1:03:49>> Okay. Okay. So,

1:03:49>> it's in the ordinance, by the way.

1:03:51>> Yeah. So, I I wrote down voting on the

1:03:53process, which I heard you say, but

1:03:54there may have been something you said

1:03:55after that that I just missed. And and

1:03:57so my thought is

1:03:59that go forward with the process and do

1:04:02an amendment that just eliminates the

1:04:05list that we can come back and add to at

1:04:08any point in time. It's just a matter

1:04:10that's part of the process. the process

1:04:12is somebody contacts Cassie in her

1:04:14office and says, "Hey, they're ready to

1:04:17go." And you move on. Because that seems

1:04:18to be the the sticking point here. So,

1:04:21thank you again for your passion for

1:04:24this. I really am excited about us

1:04:25getting to that point where we can start

1:04:27to put it into pro process.

1:04:30>> Application

1:04:31>> applic.

1:04:34>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, and I'll I'll

1:04:37reiterate again what I said earlier. Um

1:04:40the conversation should be had with the

1:04:42property owners ahead of this process

1:04:46here. This here the the water is so

1:04:49muddy that um

1:04:55that is no way I could be able to

1:04:59support it in this in in the condition

1:05:01that it's in now. Um conversations. I'm

1:05:05all about having conversation. I'm all

1:05:07about process. um following the proper

1:05:10process uh not to put the cart before

1:05:13the horse. I think that each property

1:05:16owner that is if you feel is going to be

1:05:22a historic landmark then a sitdown

1:05:25conversation needs to be had for to

1:05:27those individual before we it is brought

1:05:29before us tonight to even vote on

1:05:31period.

1:05:33So thank you Mr. Chair.

1:05:37Let's see. Councilman Clark, I have you

1:05:40next, but I also have Councilman Harvey.

1:05:42Did you want to um come in?

1:05:45>> I'll yield to Councilman Harvey.

1:05:46>> Okay,

1:05:48Councilman Harvey.

1:05:49>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh what

1:05:52>> So, a couple questions. Um so uh if

1:05:57let's say this goes through and and we

1:05:59uh you all decide to do an application

1:06:02for the TIVY which is currently being

1:06:04constructed on the other side would they

1:06:07would the moratorium then go into effect

1:06:08for them

1:06:09>> once the application is submitted

1:06:12processed and in the queue for review

1:06:14that's when the moratorium would go into

1:06:16effect okay

1:06:17>> if there are existing permits in place

1:06:19that moratorium would not [snorts]

1:06:20affect those

1:06:21>> even if an application was started for

1:06:23the tibi.

1:06:24>> That's how we've handled it

1:06:25historically. Yes.

1:06:27>> Okay.

1:06:27>> So, if a moratorium went into place and

1:06:29then the next day someone applied for a

1:06:31brand new permit, they'd be held to that

1:06:33moratorium status, but we wouldn't stop

1:06:34a project in the middle of its life.

1:06:37>> Okay. Okay. Um, council, I I hear your I

1:06:41hear your concerns. That makes sense to

1:06:43me. U as a business person, I I can see

1:06:47where that would bring some concern. So

1:06:48I a a uh maybe some and to add to the

1:06:53amendment or for us to consider a

1:06:56different

1:06:57some wording there in the language is

1:06:59instead of saying you know we'll start

1:07:01an application perhaps we'll consider an

1:07:05application with the property owner. Is

1:07:08that something that we may consider? I

1:07:11think can may I

1:07:12>> please?

1:07:15>> So, I know we're kind of getting caught

1:07:18up in the nuance of and application. Um,

1:07:22part of this process is to

1:07:26do the steps as it states in the

1:07:29ordinance which includes which is it's

1:07:31like common sense like we wouldn't do an

1:07:32application without doing the outreach

1:07:34because we need the outreach to be a

1:07:36part of the application, right? common

1:07:37sense part of and application is when we

1:07:41get to that point

1:07:43is not submittal. So it doesn't say and

1:07:46submit. It says and application which is

1:07:48gives her the authority that once we

1:07:51agree and we do all of those due

1:07:53diligence steps that's outlined again in

1:07:55the resolution.

1:07:58She will prepare the application once

1:08:01everything is done. There's our process.

1:08:02It is a very lengthy process of research

1:08:04and property outreach etc etc and

1:08:07application only applies to the fact

1:08:09that once we we have concluded all those

1:08:12she is authorized to begin the

1:08:14application on our behalf which does not

1:08:17if you look at the number one it says

1:08:18application submitted it doesn't say and

1:08:21application so I just want to be clear

1:08:23on I know we're kind of getting uh

1:08:24caught up in the nuance of this of the

1:08:27word and application again the

1:08:29resolution only authorizes them to start

1:08:31that due dill religence process um

1:08:34because that's the only way to start a

1:08:36historic

1:08:38uh landmark designation is actually to

1:08:40have those conversations with property

1:08:42owners. But this is the way to do it. Um

1:08:45this is the way that's outlined in our

1:08:46ordinance to do it. And I think we

1:08:48should abide by the rules in our

1:08:50ordinance and the rules of the historic

1:08:52zoning commission in which we all have

1:08:54an appointment on that board to. So, um,

1:08:57I just want to give that clarity and not

1:08:59to muddy the waters because I think

1:09:00putting out misinformation about the

1:09:02process actually does muddy the waters.

1:09:04Um, and that we need to make sure that

1:09:06we understand which is outlined that we

1:09:10are doing that process. We are not

1:09:12infringing on private property rights.

1:09:14We are not doing this process or the

1:09:16application without the input of the

1:09:18Tivoli of the Memorial Auditorium, which

1:09:20by the way are still our buildings. Um,

1:09:22and we do have a say so in what happens

1:09:24with those buildings. Most of the all of

1:09:26these that have been listed, the

1:09:29majority of them are city-owned

1:09:32buildings, which are which is not

1:09:34private property. As if y'all have

1:09:35indicated, they're public property. And

1:09:37the public has come forth in a in a

1:09:40preservation town hall that you

1:09:41attended, and they have said, "These are

1:09:44landmarks that we would like to preserve

1:09:46for the consumption of the public, not

1:09:49to interfere with whatever they're doing

1:09:50at the Typley Foundation. We would never

1:09:52do that to ourselves. we would to our

1:09:54own buildings. We would never impose

1:09:56restrictions as they have alluded in

1:09:58this letter that they've sent us that we

1:10:00would do anything to

1:10:03hurt our own buildings for public usage.

1:10:06So, um I would just like to put that out

1:10:08for public consumption um as to not to

1:10:11confuse people about what preservation

1:10:13is because we don't want people to be

1:10:15scared that this is infringing on

1:10:17people's private property rights. We're

1:10:19just going through the process that we

1:10:20do for zoning. uh people have the right

1:10:23to reszone property and it goes through

1:10:25an [clears throat] application process.

1:10:28Um and that's all of this this process

1:10:30mirrors the exact same things. I have no

1:10:32clue why this uh conversation has become

1:10:36so laborious, but I just if I believe

1:10:39that if you believe that preserving

1:10:42these buildings, preserving cemeteries

1:10:45and preserving city-owned public

1:10:47buildings is important to you, then you

1:10:49will allow Cassie the opportunity to

1:10:52start that research process to reach out

1:10:54to private property owners and to work

1:10:56with Nick Wilkerson, right? to start

1:10:59what that process is to make sure that

1:11:00it does not interfere with any of their

1:11:02financing. That's all this process is.

1:11:04It is not actually voting for the

1:11:07designation. It's not even actually

1:11:09voting to submit the application. It is

1:11:11literally authorizing her to put an

1:11:13application together and because I'm the

1:11:16author of it, I will make a decision

1:11:17with council maybe through another

1:11:19resolution to submit the application if

1:11:21that's what people are uh concerned

1:11:24about. But there's a nuance in getting

1:11:26tripped on the words of the resolution

1:11:28and it is very simple that we are

1:11:31conducting outreach and preparing an

1:11:33application for designation. So

1:11:36>> okay

1:11:39council woman no I'm sorry doly and then

1:11:42the order I have.

1:11:44>> That's okay. Thank you so much Mr.

1:11:45Chair. So Cassie just for reference when

1:11:51let's say St. Elmo or Fort Wood or any

1:11:55any of those came up to make an

1:11:57application? I know it's probably before

1:11:59your time. Did [clears throat] the did

1:12:00the city council make that for them or

1:12:03did they come as a community and say we

1:12:04want to do this?

1:12:05>> I believe those came in from the

1:12:07neighborhood association, right?

1:12:09>> Which is one of the um allowed

1:12:11applicants,

1:12:12>> right?

1:12:12>> And so from your knowledge, has there

1:12:14been any other city council or

1:12:16government-led

1:12:18designations?

1:12:19>> Not that I'm aware of. So this will be

1:12:21the first time that we as a government

1:12:23as a city council are leading

1:12:26>> have used the tool.

1:12:27>> As far as you know

1:12:28>> as far as I know maybe city attorney has

1:12:30other history but as far as I know

1:12:32>> none that I'm aware of

1:12:33>> and I think that's the biggest issue.

1:12:35The issue is that when and just like you

1:12:38mentioned the zoning process all these

1:12:39things all these things are communityled

1:12:42whether it's a developer a neighborhood

1:12:45individual things like that and that

1:12:47process still is in place right now. So,

1:12:49for instance, if Forest Hill said, "Hey,

1:12:51we want to build a landmark." They would

1:12:52contact your office. They would go

1:12:54through the process. If that's what they

1:12:56wanted to do, and they've been around

1:12:57for years, and I know all the

1:12:59information is in this ordinance,

1:13:01they've been around for for years. So,

1:13:03if that's something they wanted to do,

1:13:05that's something that they could do. If

1:13:08any of these any of the the listed

1:13:10organizations wanted to be a part of

1:13:13this, they absolutely have the right to

1:13:17do that to apply. Is that correct?

1:13:19>> Yes. A property owner could apply on

1:13:21their behalf or a neighborhood

1:13:23association,

1:13:24>> right? And so that's I think that also

1:13:26is the biggest issue is that if people

1:13:28wanted to do this, there is not one

1:13:30barrier stopping them from doing it. But

1:13:33we are saying well we want to preserve

1:13:36and I and I do and I and I agree with

1:13:38Councilman Clark in that we do need to

1:13:40preserve some spaces.

1:13:41>> If it's a city owned space I'm 100% for

1:13:44it because we own it, we control it, we

1:13:47manage it.

1:13:48>> Um but when it comes to private

1:13:50property, especially in a space that is

1:13:52not that they they can come and do it.

1:13:55So nothing has prohibited them from

1:13:57applying, nothing stopping them from

1:13:59doing anything. They have just chosen

1:14:01not to do this. Correct.

1:14:03>> Yeah. I mean, I

1:14:04>> for whatever reason, we don't

1:14:05>> say I can't speak to whether or not

1:14:06they're aware, but yes, our our doors

1:14:08are always open.

1:14:09>> Okay. But we can't make them aware

1:14:11without

1:14:14also

1:14:15working on an application for them.

1:14:17Correct. We can say, "Hey, just so you

1:14:19know, this thing this thing is available

1:14:21if you are interested."

1:14:23>> Like we can send out a mailer or a a

1:14:26brochure or knock on the door and say,

1:14:28"Hey, just so you know, you know, we

1:14:29know you've been around. We'd love to

1:14:31have." And I think that is the that's

1:14:33the as someone

1:14:36if it's not community le

1:14:39>> then it's an issue

1:14:40>> and that's where the issue lies here

1:14:42because all the neighborhoods all those

1:14:45community led when people come in for

1:14:47resoning cases they didn't just pop up

1:14:48reszoning they popped up reszoning

1:14:50because somebody came there are people

1:14:52here today that are here for resoning

1:14:54cases because somebody put in an

1:14:56application not because

1:14:57>> city council said you know what we think

1:14:59we should reszone this let's do that So

1:15:01I just So that is that I think council

1:15:03Oh, not I think I know Councilman Clark

1:15:06I I understand what you're doing. I

1:15:08actually do like what you're doing. I

1:15:10think that we should reconsider private

1:15:13properties and just maybe take a look

1:15:16right now at researching and doing the

1:15:19public properties and then maybe have a

1:15:21way to outreach to those private

1:15:23individuals. Not because of the

1:15:24ordinance, but because that's just a

1:15:27city thing that we could do. So that's

1:15:29that's the biggest issue because we talk

1:15:31about zoning. We talk about those

1:15:32things, but none of that is government

1:15:35led. None of the neighborhoods are were

1:15:36government led. That was all community

1:15:38saying I want to be in a historic

1:15:43I want our community our neighborhood to

1:15:44be historic. And so that's what they

1:15:46decided to do. Just like in St. Elmo,

1:15:48all of St. Elmo isn't historic cuz some

1:15:49of them said, "I don't think so. I don't

1:15:51I will not be in that." And so you only

1:15:53have certain it goes from one area to

1:15:55the other because that's what the

1:15:56community decided, not the government

1:15:59decided for them. And that's that's that

1:16:02is probably the biggest if not the

1:16:04biggest issue there. So that's all. I'm

1:16:06going to leave it alone at that cuz I

1:16:07have something else I need to discuss

1:16:08and um that is it. So thank you so much.

1:16:10Thank you Cassie. [clears throat]

1:16:12>> Councilwoman No.

1:16:13>> Thank you Mr. Chair. That again is my

1:16:16issue. I don't know of anyone that needs

1:16:18city council or

1:16:21Cassie and them in their office to fill

1:16:23out an application for them.

1:16:26Everyone is has enough common sense. If

1:16:30this is what they want to do, then they

1:16:32can take it upon themselves or a group

1:16:35to do it. you don't to impose that upon

1:16:39someone is uh the same difference as

1:16:44taking away the vote that we had here

1:16:48that we no longer have. So it's just

1:16:51taking too much control for me. Thank

1:16:54you, Mr. Chair.

1:16:54>> Okay. Thank you, Councilman Clark.

1:16:59>> Does anybody have any other questions on

1:17:01this before?

1:17:01>> I do have Councilman Harvey on the

1:17:03board. I'll help you out this way.

1:17:06[laughter]

1:17:06>> Would you yield to Councilman Harvey?

1:17:08>> I yield. Yeah, I need I yield to help

1:17:09because I like to uh discussion on this.

1:17:12>> Councilman Harvey, thank you. Um, I I do

1:17:14just want to uh have a put this out to

1:17:17the council and I I want to hear what

1:17:19y'all think about changing the language

1:17:20in this resolution to say

1:17:23uh to consider

1:17:27submitting or starting submitting an

1:17:30application with agreeance of the

1:17:32property owner.

1:17:35I'm I'm curious what what you all

1:17:37>> it defeats the process.

1:17:39>> I'm I'm curious because I hear your I

1:17:41hear your concern. So I'm trying to get

1:17:43to the middle. So I wonder if that's

1:17:45something that, you know, gets us there.

1:17:48>> I think the it's going to be it has to

1:17:50be community

1:17:53obligation. It should be and I'm sorry,

1:17:55Mr. Chair. I apologize. I just be all

1:17:57over the place. I think the issue is not

1:17:59that I think consider Yeah. So

1:18:03considering cuz I like what you were

1:18:04saying about considering. I thought that

1:18:06was good. I think that it should be more

1:18:09community-led. Like first step reach out

1:18:12to the community first before you do

1:18:15anything.

1:18:16>> Upon agreement with that community, the

1:18:18community will put in an application

1:18:20guided by our people. That way we know

1:18:23this is pushed by the community or by

1:18:25that entity and not pushed by us because

1:18:28I

1:18:29>> government shouldn't be pushing or

1:18:32pushing people into that space. But if

1:18:33it's a city property, then that's fine.

1:18:36we can we can roll that out and keep it

1:18:38moving. But if it's a private property,

1:18:41it should be we reach out to that

1:18:42community first and say, "Hey, this is

1:18:46what we're interested in doing. Would

1:18:48love your feedback on it. Do you agree?

1:18:50Do you disagree?" If they disagree,

1:18:52conversation's over. If they agree, then

1:18:55this is the track. And then you can come

1:18:57up with something like this. And that's

1:18:58the track you follow. But [laughter] to

1:19:01say we're going to prepare an

1:19:04application almost indicates that we're

1:19:06going to pass the application even if

1:19:08that's not true. Because if I'm a

1:19:09neighborhood, if I'm in a neighborhood

1:19:11and I'm hearing you say, "Well, we going

1:19:12to fix your application for you." But

1:19:14what else are you going to do with it?

1:19:15Because a lot of people don't keep up

1:19:16with council meetings. A lot of people

1:19:17don't follow what we do every day. We

1:19:19having this conversation, we probably

1:19:20got 10 views. That's not outside of

1:19:23regular administration watching, you

1:19:25know. So you have to keep in mind the

1:19:27everyday person isn't following this. So

1:19:29if they're not following this, then it's

1:19:32not going to be right to put their stuff

1:19:33into something that they not even

1:19:35following. So that's what I'm So I

1:19:37>> I like where you going. I just I don't

1:19:41you know we just we can Phil can help

1:19:44us. He Phil right there.

1:19:45>> Yeah. I mean again I think it was just

1:19:47with or like with the consent of the

1:19:49property owner in agreeance with the

1:19:51property owner will submit an

1:19:52application or so you know so basically

1:19:55saying that you know we must consult and

1:19:57have have the property owner agree that

1:19:59this is is something because you know

1:20:01I've said from the beginning I

1:20:03councilman Clark and I have shared this

1:20:05passion and and uh you know it's

1:20:07something that I think

1:20:09>> most I think we all agree on that uh

1:20:12local historic preservation is

1:20:14important. to us. But at the end of the

1:20:16day, I also don't want it to uh prevent

1:20:19hamper or you know uh things like what

1:20:22we've seen at the Tivly a beautiful

1:20:24renovation or something like the Wayark

1:20:26Hotel that has been beautifully

1:20:28[clears throat] redone and preserved. Uh

1:20:30so as to you know preservation is

1:20:33important but at the same time we don't

1:20:35want to prevent and you know just have a

1:20:38building that's falling in on itself all

1:20:40in the name of preservation. Um, so

1:20:43yeah, that it was just a good

1:20:45>> a question to have maybe their consent.

1:20:47Would that help us get

1:20:49>> Yeah, to a common

1:20:51>> I think that's good to have the property

1:20:53owner's consent before we do anything

1:20:55because I think part of the pro part of

1:20:57that process is that public meeting. But

1:20:59before you even have that before you do

1:21:01anything,

1:21:03>> that property owner needs to consent to

1:21:05even starting the process. And I think

1:21:07if we can if the property owner consents

1:21:10by by letter or however we it says in

1:21:13here however field says we need to do

1:21:15it. If that could be put in there that's

1:21:18different and that makes it a different

1:21:19ordinance that makes it where people can

1:21:23choose to do what they want to do and

1:21:24we're not making them do it. So yeah, I

1:21:26like the property owners consent. Uh, I

1:21:30think that's a better better way

1:21:32[clears throat and snorts] to put it

1:21:33because now before you do anything,

1:21:36>> you got to get their consent and I think

1:21:38that is the most important part. Give

1:21:39them their voice up front and throughout

1:21:42as well cuz that this all set up to give

1:21:44them their voice throughout anyway,

1:21:45>> but just upfront. So, I like I like

1:21:47that. I don't know how you can word

1:21:48that, but I think that's

1:21:50>> curious. I mean, okay.

1:21:53>> All right. I have uh Councilwoman Burs.

1:21:57>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would suggest

1:21:59one other possible uh amendment and I I

1:22:03like where you're Councilman Harvey.

1:22:05like the suggestion of altering the

1:22:07language a little bit and I might

1:22:10suggest altering something in in

1:22:13relation to

1:22:15um under section one where it says

1:22:20we're appropriate local historic

1:22:22landmarks designated applications for

1:22:23the properties listed in part uh

1:22:27something to the suggested properties

1:22:29listed because it's not again a lot of

1:22:32those properties these are just

1:22:34recommendations

1:22:35as part of the resolution there. None of

1:22:37them except for maybe a couple have

1:22:39actually been locked in. So I think that

1:22:42there's something for me that attaches

1:22:44this resolution to that list gives the

1:22:47perception

1:22:49that that there's some sort of already

1:22:51locked in agreement. So, I'm wondering

1:22:54and maybe the city attorney might have

1:22:56some suggested language that doesn't

1:22:59it it could be something as simple as

1:23:01for the suggested properties listed in

1:23:04parts A, B, and C. So, or the

1:23:06recommended properties because these are

1:23:09recommendations at this point. Nothing

1:23:11has been solidified

1:23:14>> either suggested or recommendations

1:23:16anymore.

1:23:17>> Okay.

1:23:19>> Okay. Does that all count?

1:23:20>> Just my two cents. Okay. [snorts] Yes.

1:23:21Thank you, Mr. Chair. and Councilman

1:23:23Clark. All right. Thank you. Thank you,

1:23:25council, for your input. I appreciate

1:23:27that. You guys are so awesome. Wow.

1:23:30Input. Read the resolutions first though

1:23:32before um we Sorry to offer. Cassie,

1:23:35thank you. You can take your seat now.

1:23:36I'm going to conclude with some

1:23:37comments. Um

1:23:40>> one I want to say um and council doll. I

1:23:43think you're right in a lot of regards

1:23:44and I appreciate that. Um, I do I will

1:23:47say that one of the things that stuck

1:23:49out to me in my closing comments on this

1:23:51is the city council, we are community

1:23:54led because we're voted in by the

1:23:56community and oftent times in the

1:23:57absence when our citizens are working

1:24:00and they can't be here, they voted for

1:24:02us to make these decisions to actually

1:24:05lead.

1:24:07They voted for us to actually lead. And

1:24:09I think this is an opportunity.

1:24:12Um, and so to say that this is not

1:24:14community, I would disagree. I represent

1:24:1521,000 people. I also attended a

1:24:18preservation town hall that I know

1:24:20Tiffany Rankings attended and we heard

1:24:22from the community. I also did two

1:24:24strategic planning committees that were

1:24:26public. We've heard from the committee.

1:24:27We've heard from the consultants. We've

1:24:28heard from Preserve Chattanooga. We've

1:24:31heard from the community. Now, it is

1:24:32time for us to actually lead the

1:24:35community and do the right thing in

1:24:37actually preserving properties that we

1:24:40want to keep a part of our portfolio as

1:24:42a community. that's in danger of being

1:24:45erased. That's the whole point of this.

1:24:46I know we've gotten caught up in this

1:24:48whole nuance about the application and

1:24:50that's all it is. U again, the process

1:24:53is in the ordinance and I would

1:24:54encourage you to go back and read the

1:24:56ordinance that allows us to submit this

1:24:57to historic zoning commission. And if we

1:25:00want to get rid of the historic zoning

1:25:02commission, then maybe we should do

1:25:03that. But we can't because part of the

1:25:06community-led process is doing what

1:25:08we're doing in the public and having

1:25:10that conversation and doing our due

1:25:12diligence and actually representing our

1:25:14constituents in matters like this. So I

1:25:17would differ in [clears throat] the fact

1:25:20that this is actually community-led. We

1:25:22have heard from the community

1:25:24um and

1:25:27I think the resolution is asis and I

1:25:29would ask the council to support that.

1:25:31um there's not any danger to any of the

1:25:34facilities including the private

1:25:35properties where their voice is not

1:25:38heard. I think you guys have used a lot

1:25:39of language and verbiage that kind of

1:25:41actually puts a smear on the

1:25:43preservation process and that's not what

1:25:45this is. This process is like all of our

1:25:49stuffs including this meeting is a

1:25:50public meeting for input. Um, and I

1:25:53would welcome a lot of the preservation

1:25:55community to join me next Tuesday, so

1:25:56you can actually hear from the

1:25:58community, many of which you represent

1:26:00and and two of you represent historic

1:26:02districts already. So, I know that's

1:26:04important

1:26:05>> uh to some of the communities that you

1:26:07represent, the historic preservation,

1:26:09the same process. Um, and which we voted

1:26:12earlier this year, if you all recall, to

1:26:14those amendments to those to the

1:26:17historic zoning guidelines. So, I know

1:26:20you guys are familiar with process and

1:26:21what the verbiage is. This is the exact

1:26:24same thing. Um, and I would ask that you

1:26:27all pass this without any amendments as

1:26:30a resolution so that we could have the

1:26:32land development office do the

1:26:34application

1:26:36and to do the due diligence and why

1:26:38these properties should be preserved as

1:26:40our constituents would like for us to do

1:26:42in my opinion. Um, and with that, uh,

1:26:45Chairman Dave, I would like to close

1:26:47discussion on this topic.

1:26:48>> Okay. Council,

1:26:52are there any other questions or

1:26:54comments on any other resolutions on

1:26:56tonight's agenda? [laughter]

1:26:59[snorts]

1:27:00>> I do.

1:27:03>> Okay. Council,

1:27:04>> Chairman Davis, this is in reference to

1:27:06the

1:27:09city council resolution

1:27:11of Christina Spears, the legislative

1:27:13affairs director. uh this is a new

1:27:16position uh to our office to actually

1:27:18help us support legislative legislative

1:27:20things such as this because I'm only a

1:27:22oneman show um so I was not able to

1:27:25contact everybody but luckily we have a

1:27:26we have staff people sometimes that we

1:27:28use to help us put forth legislation

1:27:30this position that's coming before city

1:27:32council allows us to actually do our

1:27:34legislative jobs and to put forth more

1:27:37legislative things this way and I sat in

1:27:39on those interviews with Councilwoman

1:27:41Hill uh Councilman Henderson

1:27:45Councilman Harvey, Vice Chairman

1:27:47Elliott, Chairman Davis, and I think

1:27:49Christina would be a wonderful addition

1:27:51to our staff and actually helping us do

1:27:54some of this hard work will help with

1:27:56Kim Strong, who kind of serves in that

1:27:58capacity right now in constituent

1:28:00support. Uh just kind of helping us make

1:28:02that connection to our community. Uh

1:28:04Christina uh is an attorney uh with a

1:28:07lot of policy experience and I think

1:28:09would be a great additive to our city

1:28:10council and helping us put forth

1:28:11legislation.

1:28:13Thank you,

1:28:16council. Any other questions or

1:28:18comments?

1:28:20I will note, Councilman Henderson, to

1:28:22your earlier point about the [snorts]

1:28:23Raccoon Mountain Water resolution, it is

1:28:26back on our agenda. Our deputy chief

1:28:28just sent us a revised electronic

1:28:31version of our agenda that does have

1:28:33that and it's um item G as it was

1:28:36before. Um not sure what happened to it,

1:28:40but it [clears throat] is it is properly

1:28:42back before us. [snorts]

1:28:44>> All right.

1:28:47All right, council. We will look then at

1:28:49next week's proposed agenda.

1:28:54And please hit your lights if you have

1:28:56any questions or comments.

1:29:00have a few ordinances on final reading

1:29:04and a handful on first reading as well.

1:29:07Councilwoman Dotley, you're recognized.

1:29:09>> Yes. Thank you so much, Mr. Chair. And

1:29:12uh it's kind of in reference to next

1:29:14week's agenda. Um but last week we had a

1:29:19case number 2026117,

1:29:22the miniature golf course. Oh, no,

1:29:24that's the wrong one. I'm sorry. That's

1:29:26my Let me see. Z 2026 0044

1:29:30that miniature golf course that I

1:29:32recommended denial on. And um we did

1:29:35receive notice from the uh applicant

1:29:39that they were not aware of the um

1:29:42meeting moving up to 2 p.m. And uh Phil

1:29:45I did not was not able to contact you

1:29:46before, but could you give the council

1:29:48an update on that and do we need to

1:29:50bring it back

1:29:52to council to vote? I'm still going to

1:29:55it's going to be the same thing, but do

1:29:57we need to bring it back given that the

1:29:58applicant was not aware of the 2 p.m.?

1:30:01>> It is an issue for a motion for

1:30:03reconsideration under Robert's rules of

1:30:05order. Someone who voted in favor of the

1:30:08uh I guess denial would have to bring

1:30:10that back on the agenda at the first

1:30:12request uh here, which would be this

1:30:14meeting. And I I believe if there was an

1:30:17issue about a lack of notice here for

1:30:19the person to attend, it would be

1:30:21simpler to have one more reading of that

1:30:23and make that decision.

1:30:24>> Okay. So, uh I would like to make a

1:30:27motion, council, uh for reconsideration

1:30:30for uh item number 2026-0044,

1:30:35uh

1:30:37uh to have a to start over the uh go

1:30:41back to first reading.

1:30:42>> Go back to a first reading. first

1:30:43reading uh for that item and that's in

1:30:45the form of a motion.

1:30:47>> Thank you.

1:30:47>> We have a motion properly seconded to

1:30:49place that particular planning item on

1:30:52our agenda for first reading next week.

1:30:54Yes.

1:30:54>> Okay.

1:30:54>> Yes.

1:30:55>> U council, are there any questions or

1:30:57comments before we vote?

1:30:59>> All in favor?

1:31:01>> I. Any opposed?

1:31:03>> And so the motion does [laughter] pass.

1:31:07And so that will be back on our agenda.

1:31:09we can properly dispose of it.

1:31:12>> Yes, absolutely. And do we need to have

1:31:15another public hearing because we put it

1:31:16at the first meeting?

1:31:17>> No, ma'am. It's already had a public

1:31:19hearing in that regard, but it needs to

1:31:20go on for 1027 agenda.

1:31:22>> Okay. Thank you so much,

1:31:23>> Mr. Chair. Thank you for

1:31:28>> any other questions or comments,

1:31:30council, on any ordinances for next

1:31:34week?

1:31:37I don't see any lights. Um, we do have a

1:31:40few resolutions

1:31:42as well.

1:31:45Any questions on those?

1:31:53>> Oh, yes. Councilman Henderson, you're

1:31:55recognized.

1:31:57>> Phil, help me out here. I'm a little

1:31:58confused. Why would we put it back on

1:32:00the agenda if the applicant

1:32:02>> Yeah, the applicant will be able to

1:32:03present his case at that point in time,

1:32:05but there's no reason for another public

1:32:07hearing in addition to that. He would

1:32:09have an opportunity to have his uh seven

1:32:12minutes.

1:32:12>> Okay.

1:32:13>> Yes, sir.

1:32:14>> But you're not going to hear from or if

1:32:17there were were opposition.

1:32:18>> If there are opposition people, they

1:32:20would have the same opportunity in your

1:32:21rules as they would normally have.

1:32:23That's not what I would call a separate

1:32:25public hearing. It doesn't have to go

1:32:27back to planning commission for another

1:32:28public hearing back there.

1:32:30>> Okay. I consider I consider that a

1:32:33public hearing when we hear from the

1:32:34public in opposition. So, we just got a

1:32:37different definition of terms. I just

1:32:39follow your normal rules in that regard.

1:32:41>> Okay.

1:32:43>> Thank you.

1:32:46[snorts]

1:32:46>> Any other questions or comments on next

1:32:48week's agenda items, council?

1:32:53All right. Let's look at um our

1:32:55purchasing items for tonight

1:32:59or I item I should say. It's not

1:33:02singular, not plural. We just have one.

1:33:04Um

1:33:07any questions on that item.

1:33:11I don't see any lights.

1:33:14We'll turn then to future

1:33:16considerations. [snorts]

1:33:20And please hit your lights, council, if

1:33:22you have any questions on any items on

1:33:26future considerations.

1:33:31Councilman Clark, you're recognized.

1:33:35[sighs and gasps]

1:33:36>> Yes. I've got a question about the

1:33:37demolition on ML King Boulevard.

1:33:43>> Which item is that?

1:33:44>> This is under public works item two.

1:33:46authorized the demolition blanket for

1:33:49tower construction to be increased by

1:33:52$300,000 in order to demolish 1020 East

1:33:57ML King, which is Lamar's at the storage

1:33:59facility behind the 11th Street Police

1:34:01Service Station and the storage fac Oh,

1:34:04that's not related to Lamar. Okay. So,

1:34:06quick Oh, yeah. Go ahead.

1:34:09>> I was just going to say we have Mr. Mr.

1:34:11Wood here.

1:34:12>> Question. So

1:34:15tell me more about the demolition order

1:34:16on that um as far as like what caused

1:34:20the increase and what is the itemization

1:34:22of each bill. So are we paying like if

1:34:23we were to cut that in half is the city

1:34:26of Chattanooga paying $150,000 to

1:34:29demolish Lamar's which is also owned by

1:34:32some of the families who own some of the

1:34:34historic buildings on East ML King

1:34:36Boulevard.

1:34:37>> So it's it's not both of the properties

1:34:38for Lamar, it's only one. It's the

1:34:40smaller property and the city is paying

1:34:43to have that demolished

1:34:45>> and what in the amount of what?

1:34:46>> Uh

1:34:48I don't remember.

1:34:52>> I would have to go back and get that

1:34:54cost.

1:34:54>> Was it ordered to be condemned?

1:34:56>> Yes.

1:34:57>> Okay.

1:35:00>> But we still have to pay for that. And

1:35:03I'm assuming that this 300,000 is more

1:35:05than 100,000 that we're paying, which by

1:35:07the way is not on the historic landmark.

1:35:09Had it been maybe it have been a little

1:35:10bit different could have saved us some

1:35:11money had we preserved it

1:35:14>> east for preservation though.

1:35:16>> Well it is a it is it was a part of the

1:35:20historic landmarks on that boulevard in

1:35:221989 and now we are paying over $100,000

1:35:26to demolish it.

1:35:28>> Correct. Because it was condemned

1:35:30because it was not in it.

1:35:32>> Did someone do like a code enforcement?

1:35:34Yes.

1:35:34>> And determine Okay. How would the city

1:35:36recoup that money?

1:35:39>> That money would be asked for on the

1:35:41back end of the demolition, but it's not

1:35:44anything that's mandatory that we we

1:35:46have pursued.

1:35:46>> So, meaning that we'll place a lean on

1:35:48the property in the event that it was to

1:35:49sell, we would recoup our funds for

1:35:50that.

1:35:51>> Could you also give me the exact amount

1:35:54for what it would be uh for Lamar's and

1:35:58the storage facility? Who owns the

1:35:59storage facility?

1:36:00>> The storage facility is city owned. It's

1:36:02owned by CPA.

1:36:03>> So, we Okay. So that's ours

1:36:08and have we has going back to Lamar's

1:36:11have we made contact with the property

1:36:13owner on that regarding as far as like

1:36:15so

1:36:16>> okay

1:36:17and they are aware that they we would

1:36:20recoup those funds on the back on that

1:36:22back end through the by way of a lean

1:36:24>> I believe so but I'll verify

1:36:25>> okay thank you

1:36:32>> thank you Jay that's all I have for the

1:36:33Absolutely.

1:36:34>> Okay. Council, are there any other

1:36:37questions or comments on any other

1:36:39future consideration items?

1:36:43[snorts]

1:36:43>> All right. I do not see any lights. That

1:36:46takes us through our agendas. We have no

1:36:49committee or department reports. Um and

1:36:51so we will uh recess. We'll have an

1:36:54attorney client meeting. And so we will

1:36:56reconvene at 5:45.

2:24:42We are back in session. Madame clerk, if

2:24:44you would please read item 7A.

2:24:49and disclosed and abandoning portions of

2:24:51two sanitary sewer easements in the

2:24:5412200 block of Popular Street, including

2:24:56one a sewer easement beginning 17 ft

2:24:59east of MH number S145

2:25:02009 then southeastwardly

2:25:05500 ft to an unnamed manhole at the end

2:25:09of the line and two east beginning at MH

2:25:12number S145F246

2:25:15manhole to remain then southeastwardly

2:25:17344 ft to an unnamed manhole at the end

2:25:20of the line for a total of 844 linear

2:25:23feet. Tax map number 145 FA002 is shown

2:25:27on the attached maps sub conditions.

2:25:31>> Second.

2:25:32>> Do I have a motion properly seconded to

2:25:34approve this ordinance on final reading?

2:25:36Council, are there any questions or

2:25:38comments before we vote? All in favor?

2:25:42>> I. Any opposed?

2:25:44>> And the ordinance passes on final

2:25:47reading. Item 7B, please.

2:25:49>> An ordinance to amend Chattanooga City

2:25:51code part two chapter 38 zoning

2:25:53ordinance so as to live condition number

2:25:55two from ordinance number 1364 previous

2:25:57case number MR 20160045

2:26:01for the property located at 6745

2:26:04Customer Delight Drive. [clears throat]

2:26:08>> We have a motion properly seconded to

2:26:10approve this ordinance on final reading.

2:26:12Council, are there any questions or

2:26:13comments before we vote?

2:26:16All in favor? I. Any opposed? Ordinance

2:26:20passes on final reading. [clears throat]

2:26:22Item 7 C, please. An ordinance to amend

2:26:25Chattanooga City Code Part 2, chapter

2:26:2738's owning ordinance so as to amend

2:26:29condition number three of ordinance

2:26:30number 1419,

2:26:33previous case number 2025004

2:26:37for the property located at 6516 Hunt

2:26:40Drive.

2:26:42>> Second. Have a motion properly seconded

2:26:44to approve this ordinance on final

2:26:46reading. Council, are there any

2:26:48questions or comments before we vote?

2:26:51[snorts] All in favor?

2:26:53>> Any opposed? And the ordinance passes on

2:26:57final reading and item 7D, please. An

2:27:00ordinance to amend Chattanooga City code

2:27:02part two trap 38 zoning ordinance so as

2:27:04to resz on property located at 100 East

2:27:0738th Street from R and two residential

2:27:10neighborhood zone to CNT neighborhood

2:27:12transitioning commercial zone.

2:27:16You

2:27:17>> have a motion properly seconded to

2:27:18approve this ordinance on final reading.

2:27:20Are there any questions or comments

2:27:22before we vote?

2:27:26>> All in favor?

2:27:27>> I. Any opposed? And the ordinance passes

2:27:30on final reading. [clears throat]

2:27:32>> Uh, madame clerk, please read item 8A.

2:27:35>> An ordinance to resend ordinance number

2:27:3814332 relating to an ordinance closing

2:27:40and abandoning an unopen rideway in the

2:27:43400 block of Maplewood Avenue.

2:27:54>> Motion to approve.

2:27:55>> Oh, good.

2:27:55>> Okay. How about you?

2:27:58Second.

2:27:59>> We have a second. All right. We have a

2:28:00motion properly seconded to approve this

2:28:02ordinance on first reading. Uh council,

2:28:05are there any questions or comments

2:28:07before we vote? [snorts]

2:28:09>> All in favor?

2:28:10>> I. Any oppose? And the ordinance passes

2:28:13on first reading. Um item 8B, please. An

2:28:18ordinance to amend Chattanooga city code

2:28:20part two chapter 38 zoning ordinance so

2:28:22as to reszone properties located at 400

2:28:24402 and 405 garden road from RN1 7.5

2:28:29residential zone to OS open space zone

2:28:33and A1 urban agricultural zone sub

2:28:36certain conditions

2:28:40>> and this is just for the record uh

2:28:42planning item 2026-06

2:28:46is the applicant present

2:28:49And [clears throat] is there any

2:28:50opposition present?

2:28:53>> Second.

2:28:54>> Council, we do have a motion properly

2:28:56seconded to approve this ordinance on

2:28:58first reading. Are there any questions

2:28:59or comments before we vote? All in

2:29:02favor?

2:29:03>> I. [clears throat] Any opposed? And

2:29:06ordinance passes on first reading. Item

2:29:098 C, please.

2:29:11>> An ordinance to amend the city code part

2:29:13two chapter 38 zoning ordinance.

2:29:15soliciencies on property located at 3935

2:29:18Cromwell Road from RN16 residential zone

2:29:21to CN neighborhood commercial zone.

2:29:25>> Motion to approve the conditions.

2:29:31>> Are those conditions in the record

2:29:33already?

2:29:33>> Church and daycare only.

2:29:35>> Uh yes. I like to read the conditions

2:29:37into the record that the zone only be

2:29:39restricted to churches and daycarees

2:29:41only. Okay. I got the nod from Karen.

2:29:45So, we're good.

2:29:46>> Okay. We do have the motion properly

2:29:48seconded to approve with conditions. Um,

2:29:52>> do we need to have an amendment? Cuz

2:29:54those aren't the conditions on there

2:29:55right now. It doesn't have any

2:29:56conditions on it.

2:29:58>> Okay. Yeah. Then we would need a a

2:30:00motion.

2:30:00>> Motion to amend it with the conditions.

2:30:02>> Yes.

2:30:03>> I'd like to make a motion to amend with

2:30:04conditions.

2:30:06>> Okay. And the conditions would be

2:30:09>> And the conditions are to restrict the

2:30:11commercial zone only to include

2:30:13churches. the church and the daycare.

2:30:16>> Yes, ma'am.

2:30:17>> Yes.

2:30:17>> Second.

2:30:19>> Do have a motion properly seconded and

2:30:21for um well, let's see. Are there any

2:30:24questions or comments, council, before

2:30:26we vote on the motion? All in favor?

2:30:29>> Any opposed? All right. And so, we are

2:30:32back on the

2:30:35ordinance as amended. Um, and this, uh,

2:30:38just for the record is planning item

2:30:402026-017.

2:30:45Um, is the applicant present

2:30:48and is there any opposition present?

2:30:52>> Okay,

2:30:54seeing none, do I have a motion to

2:30:56approve

2:30:57>> as amended?

2:30:58>> Yes.

2:30:59>> Oh, I'm sorry. Say again.

2:31:00>> Do I have a motion to approve as

2:31:02amended?

2:31:02>> I'd like to make I'd like to make a

2:31:04motion to approve with amendments.

2:31:05>> Second.

2:31:06>> All right. I do have a motion properly

2:31:07seconded to approve as amended. Um, any

2:31:11other questions or comments, council,

2:31:13before we vote.

2:31:16All in favor?

2:31:17>> I. Any opposed? And the ordinance passes

2:31:20on first reading. Item 8 D, please. An

2:31:24ordinance to amend Chattanooga City Code

2:31:26Part 2, Chapter 38 zoning ordinance so

2:31:28as to reszone properties located at

2:31:308022, 8026, and 8030 Oldley Highway and

2:31:34an unressed parcel in the 8,000 block of

2:31:37the Old Lee Highway from RN16

2:31:39residential neighborhood zone, RN2

2:31:42residential zone and CC commercial

2:31:44corridor zone to RN3 residential

2:31:46neighborhood zone subject to certain

2:31:48conditions.

2:31:50And for the record, this is planning

2:31:52item 2026-0113.

2:31:55Is the applicant present? Okay. Is there

2:31:59any opposition present? Okay. Um and so

2:32:04if we could have the applicant um at the

2:32:06podium first, you'll have seven minutes

2:32:09um to present your information and then

2:32:12um the gentleman who's here in

2:32:14opposition um will have seven. and an

2:32:17applicant, if you wish, will have two

2:32:19minutes for rebuttal. [sighs]

2:32:29>> Thank you, chairman. Good afternoon,

2:32:31council members. Hannah Claire Boggas um

2:32:33of Chamblas Law here on behalf of Matco

2:32:36affordable housing with respect to the

2:32:38resoning request on Old Highway. Um this

2:32:41is a proposed development for

2:32:44multifamily

2:32:45um in conjunction with Chattanooga

2:32:47Housing Authority. So there will be an

2:32:48affordable housing component to this

2:32:50development. Um the this project is

2:32:54designed to address the affordable

2:32:56housing gap within the city of

2:32:58Chattanooga and um provide workforce

2:33:01housing to people in the area that we

2:33:03know need it. Um this property is

2:33:06situated next to some existing multif

2:33:08family communities. um and is compatible

2:33:12uh with the area plan 10 uh which

2:33:15includes an objective to add affordable

2:33:18housing close to employment centers with

2:33:20this property being located near

2:33:21Enterprise South um and near Lee Highway

2:33:24with uh commercial corridors. We think

2:33:27this meets that objective as does

2:33:29staff's report which I believe Karen

2:33:31went over last week. Um we held two

2:33:34community meetings uh for this

2:33:36development. The first was really a

2:33:38presentation to allow the community to

2:33:40kind of take in what it was we were

2:33:42proposing. And then the second was to

2:33:44take any concerns or comments that we

2:33:46heard at the first meeting and allow us

2:33:48to try and draft conditions to address

2:33:50community concerns, make sure that this

2:33:52is a development that's intended to

2:33:54succeed both for the future residents

2:33:57that will live here and for the

2:33:59residents already living in the area.

2:34:02um the conditions that are before you

2:34:04were brought before plating commission

2:34:05and then also revised by staff after

2:34:08that meeting. Um and so we think this

2:34:10list addresses those community concerns.

2:34:13Something that was talked about at our

2:34:14first community meeting was um how this

2:34:17affordable housing development can

2:34:19address affordable housing for residents

2:34:22that already live in the area. And so

2:34:23we've kind of been talking about how to

2:34:25create a preference list for people that

2:34:27already live in the area. um obviously

2:34:30in conjunction with HUD and THDA rules,

2:34:32but allowing residents that already live

2:34:34in the area to have kind of a first pass

2:34:36at living in this development.

2:34:39Um

2:34:41uh the developer has done a lot of work

2:34:42behind the scenes to make sure that any

2:34:44questions about making sure this

2:34:46development can actually occur after

2:34:48resoning. So, he's reached out to Carta

2:34:51and has gotten a commitment to see if

2:34:53this development can be added to their

2:34:55um ondemand Carta go service after it's

2:34:58constructed. Um and then we've also

2:35:01received a sewer capacity letter from

2:35:03WWTA for the number of units that we're

2:35:06proposing.

2:35:07Um we think that this development

2:35:10provides affordable homes for

2:35:11Chattanooga residents both um that

2:35:14already live in the area and struggle to

2:35:15pay rent. Um, we know that uh rents have

2:35:19continued to outpace income for

2:35:21Chattanooga residents and many renters

2:35:23face increasingly unaffordable housing

2:35:25costs. And so we want this development

2:35:27to bridge that gap. And if the chair

2:35:29will allow, I'd like to reserve any

2:35:31unused time in the presentation to

2:35:33address any rebuttal um at the end.

2:35:37>> Sure. Thank you.

2:35:37>> Thank you.

2:35:39>> All right, sir. You come up. You'll have

2:35:42nine minutes. If you need that much

2:35:43time, you're welcome to. I hope not, but

2:35:45I start stuttering.

2:35:47Uh, good afternoon. I'm John K. Salinger

2:35:50Jr. I am the U trustee for the

2:35:52Stonehenge subdivision. Our only

2:35:54entrance exit is on Old Highway and

2:35:57that's what draws our attention. I'm

2:36:00here to continue my um opposition for

2:36:03Udawa Flats and

2:36:07that's the first thing. Um Mattco's

2:36:10October 19th response um and

2:36:13accompanying documents clarified some of

2:36:15the facts that uh we addressed I think

2:36:17last week and some of the other meetings

2:36:20uh but not did not answer several of the

2:36:22fundamental opposition questions that

2:36:24I've submitted for your due diligence.

2:36:28Uh and this this of these let's see

2:36:33this should have been circulated to you

2:36:35all by the uh the clerk. So this

2:36:37hopefully this is not news. Um

2:36:41affordability uh must include

2:36:43transportation and essential living

2:36:45costs uh for your consideration. Uh

2:36:48Matco has confirmed it's going to have

2:36:5052 apartments uh which well of the 130

2:36:5540 are going to be three-bedroom and 12

2:36:58are going to be twobedroom

2:37:00and they're going to be designated for

2:37:02households at income levels at or below

2:37:0530% area median income and they're the

2:37:0978 I don't know what their uh what the

2:37:12apartment mix is going to be but they're

2:37:14going to be designated for 70 70% % or

2:37:17below.

2:37:19Matco uses 29,200

2:37:22for the 26 four person household 30%

2:37:26area median income limit. That's a

2:37:29ceiling. That's not the income uh on

2:37:33assisted household might earn. example I

2:37:37used last week. Uh two two automobiles

2:37:40used might consume 10,000 a year and

2:37:43that's about close to 35% of the gross

2:37:46income for uh for somebody at the 30%

2:37:50level.

2:37:52Uh the voucher the voucher reduces rent.

2:37:56It doesn't uh pay for automobiles,

2:37:58groceries, clothing, shoes, internet, uh

2:38:01recreation, affordable [clears throat]

2:38:03house care, uh child care, medical,

2:38:06etc. What realistic household budget

2:38:10analysis has been performed for families

2:38:14at not merely at below, but not nearly

2:38:18at uh at 30%.

2:38:21I don't know if the latest um Sycamore

2:38:24Institute report which was for Tennessee

2:38:27uh strongly suggested that the federal

2:38:30poverty level is well above what we're

2:38:34looking at for affordable housing here.

2:38:37[cough]

2:38:38Um,

2:38:42also don't know what practical

2:38:43alternatives exist for parents working

2:38:45different shifts or raising children who

2:38:48need transportation to and from school

2:38:50activities. More on that later. Uh, I

2:38:54think the development should be

2:38:55evaluated by the affordability of living

2:38:58at that location, not simply the the

2:39:00affordability of its rent.

2:39:03Uh second item, uh Carta has offered

2:39:06consideration but not committed service

2:39:08and it's uh subject to operational

2:39:10review.

2:39:12More questions.

2:39:14Um

2:39:16proximity to enterp Enterprise South

2:39:19does not mean an employee without an

2:39:21auto automobile can reliably get to and

2:39:23from work or take kids to daycare or

2:39:26anything. Um no traffic assessment has

2:39:31been prevailed. I understand that you

2:39:33don't have to do traffic study until

2:39:35you're ready for permitting. That's too

2:39:37late. In front of my uh subdivision, we

2:39:40had head-on collision last year.

2:39:42Somebody was coming south on Oly Highway

2:39:46turning into Stonehenge and somebody at

2:39:50uh just before heading north went into

2:39:53the passing lane head-on collision with

2:39:56one of our residents.

2:39:58Uh this uh this this passing lane that

2:40:01Mattco has got planned there is only

2:40:03going to create more hazard not less.

2:40:12Uh school capacity and bus questions

2:40:14remain un unanswered. Matco does not

2:40:17know whether Hamilton schools enrollment

2:40:20[clears throat]

2:40:20pro projections already u approved but

2:40:24un unoccupied residential developments.

2:40:27Udo is growing like crazy and we don't

2:40:29know what the other other construction

2:40:33is going to do. We're only looking at um

2:40:36at uh at Udawa Plants.

2:40:41[snorts]

2:40:43The uh the sewage letter from uh WWTA

2:40:48[snorts]

2:40:48uh described limited sewer capacity

2:40:53conditions for its approval on

2:40:55milestones but does not approve the

2:40:57project's engineering design.

2:41:00I would recommend that you have a full

2:41:02engineering review

2:41:04uh not merely the capacity letter before

2:41:07you proceed.

2:41:09Um part part of this uh development is

2:41:14in Hamilton County and that's the area

2:41:18set aside for the playground.

2:41:20Uh I'm not an expert on zoning but I

2:41:23don't think A1 A1 zoning be used for

2:41:27playground. So I don't know what the

2:41:28legality is for that. It's not resolved.

2:41:33So, with all this, uh, I'm requesting

2:41:36that the council delay or just not vote

2:41:40for this at all and and make sure that

2:41:44you have given given due consideration

2:41:46for my October 17th and October 19th

2:41:50letters and documents.

2:41:52I also have from u from one of the

2:41:55residents at um, where is he?

2:42:00Excuse me. Just a second.

2:42:05uh from Charles Adamson uh who can't be

2:42:08here tonight but he lives in the uh

2:42:10Summit community association and that

2:42:13association stands in opposition to

2:42:15reasonzoning

2:42:16primarily from traffic safety.

2:42:20Uh so again I don't think your due

2:42:22diligence can be completed until you

2:42:24have a number of reports in hand and

2:42:26studied. Thank you very much.

2:42:29>> Thank you.

2:42:31Councilwoman Hill, do you have a

2:42:33question or comment?

2:42:34>> I do. Um,

2:42:36sir, you've uh made a really good point

2:42:39about how difficult it is to be working

2:42:42and poor in our city. There are a lot of

2:42:45expenses for people who are working and

2:42:48poor. Um and for that reason

2:42:52[clears throat] I find uh council

2:42:55members a lot of um public benefit to

2:42:58having um 40 plus threebedroom

2:43:03apartments available to people who are

2:43:08making 30% area median income because it

2:43:11is very difficult to be poor and it is

2:43:15very difficult to be working and poor

2:43:18And we know that

2:43:24more than 40% of renters in our city are

2:43:27housing burdened, meaning they're

2:43:29already paying more than 30% of their

2:43:32income on housing and utilities.

2:43:37I I know that you know your area best

2:43:41ma'am

2:43:43but to know that you all are considering

2:43:48how how many exactly uh 30% threebedroom

2:43:53>> uh it's 40 40 of the three bed 40 yeah

2:43:5740

2:43:58>> honestly

2:43:59you know we've had a lot of

2:44:01conversations about three-bedroom

2:44:03apartments over the years and and we

2:44:04know as a city that we need um a a large

2:44:08number of studio and onebedrooms. But

2:44:10the reality is that

2:44:14if a family is so fortunate at 30% AMI

2:44:19to also qualify for a voucher,

2:44:23there are requirements for how many

2:44:25bedrooms are necessary for a given

2:44:28number of people in a family. And a

2:44:30three-bedroom apartment means that a mom

2:44:34with three kids [clears throat] can live

2:44:35there.

2:44:36or a family of four can live there.

2:44:41And Chan Room in the end um is having

2:44:46women who have done more than a year's

2:44:50worth of really hard work to um to learn

2:44:56life skills and budgeting skills and job

2:45:00skills who have graduated from their

2:45:03program. not be able to find

2:45:05threebedroom accommodations

2:45:08um anywhere in our city and they are I

2:45:10mean when we talk about

2:45:13supporting people toward offering

2:45:16opportunities for economic empowerment

2:45:21to have 40 new 30% AMI 3-bedroom units

2:45:26is [snorts and clears throat]

2:45:28a an enormous resource for our

2:45:30community. So, council members, I I hope

2:45:32that you will take that into account as

2:45:35you are considering um how this will

2:45:37work. We know that that any apartment

2:45:40complex, any any single family home, we

2:45:44know that there are going to be

2:45:45conversations about traffic.

2:45:47>> Um it is a is a standard question, sir,

2:45:51to ask questions about the the order of

2:45:53operations for engineering studies, for

2:45:56storm water, for sewer studies. All of

2:45:59that is included in the build process.

2:46:01You cannot at the end of the day get a

2:46:04certificate of occupancy if if your

2:46:08poop doesn't perk. You just can't. Um

2:46:14I last week you mentioned that you are

2:46:17part of an organization that that uh

2:46:20does some type of affordable housing.

2:46:22And so I hope that you can you can

2:46:25appreciate what I'm sharing just how

2:46:27very important these units are. So thank

2:46:29you. That's all. Mr. Chair.

2:46:30>> Okay. Councilwoman Dley.

2:46:33>> May I use some more time then?

2:46:36[clears throat]

2:46:37>> We'll let the the council members give

2:46:40their comments.

2:46:41>> Yeah. I don't have any questions.

2:46:42>> Okay.

2:46:43>> Um but I thank you so much, Mr. Chair,

2:46:45and thank you so much for sharing um

2:46:47your uh your your view. And I echo the

2:46:52sentiments of Councilwoman Hill and I

2:46:54think there were a few things said last

2:46:55week that I had to digest, but one of

2:46:58the top concerns you brought up was that

2:46:59income level. So I guess my question to

2:47:02you would be what should be the income

2:47:04or what would you recommend as the

2:47:05income eligibility eligibility for the

2:47:08people

2:47:08>> because income seems to be because you

2:47:10brought it up as a point.

2:47:11>> Yeah.

2:47:12>> So what do what would you recommend? My

2:47:14uh I want to make sure you understand my

2:47:16my objection is not is I have I support

2:47:20affordable housing

2:47:22>> between the nonprofit I'm on

2:47:25>> and the for-profit company we team with.

2:47:27We've got round numbers uh 20,000

2:47:31apartments and maybe 120 uh complexes.

2:47:35First thing I will say on that is

2:47:38addressing uh Miss Hill.

2:47:40>> And I'm so sorry.

2:47:42just answer the question that

2:47:43councilwoman Dotley asked. That was

2:47:45>> Yeah, if you could cuz I what addressing

2:47:47Councilwoman Hill is that's something

2:47:48maybe you can do after the fact. I My

2:47:51question was because your initial

2:47:53initially you your first concern was the

2:47:56$29,200

2:47:58income and people living in poverty. My

2:48:00question to you is

2:48:03>> in your purview, what should be the

2:48:06income of people that can live near your

2:48:08neighborhood?

2:48:09>> I really don't know. I can't I don't I

2:48:11don't I I can't answer the question. My

2:48:12my the point of the opposition is is

2:48:14that if you're making that and that and

2:48:17you're only getting some rental

2:48:18assistance

2:48:20and you've got two cars, if you've got

2:48:22three bedrooms, you've got maybe more

2:48:24than one worker,

2:48:27um two onethird of your total income is

2:48:30going to go for the car.

2:48:32>> Okay. So that is

2:48:33>> so I don't they they can't afford to

2:48:35live there. this is just

2:48:36>> according to you, according to what you

2:48:39believe. And I think that's I think

2:48:41that's that's the point to say that oh

2:48:43well they can't afford to live. You

2:48:45don't know anyone's situation and that's

2:48:47a personal thing between them and and

2:48:49what their finances are. So I echo the

2:48:51sentiments of again Councilwoman Hill

2:48:53that you know this is a this is a a

2:48:54great project and you know I that was

2:48:58just my question to you was what is the

2:49:01income? So you can tell me what it

2:49:02shouldn't be but not necessarily what it

2:49:04should be. And I think that is that's

2:49:06that that's just a simple the simple

2:49:08question is it shouldn't be this. So

2:49:10what do you believe it should be? And if

2:49:13that if that if that's a answer a

2:49:15question you can't answer then that that

2:49:17that point of opposition is is a

2:49:19difficult one to to take in.

2:49:21>> Understand? Make sure we're on hope

2:49:23they're on the same page. It's not it's

2:49:25not what they can afford to live there.

2:49:27Mhm.

2:49:28>> It's afford It's what can they afford to

2:49:31as part of the living? They have to go

2:49:33to work. They have to go to child care.

2:49:37>> Mhm.

2:49:37>> You got three bedrooms. You're going to

2:49:38have some kids. How are they going to do

2:49:41that without Carta?

2:49:43>> All right.

2:49:45Okay.

2:49:46>> Thank you so much. Thanks so much. Thank

2:49:48you so much.

2:49:49>> And [snorts] so we'll allow the the

2:49:50rebuttal time now for the applicant.

2:49:54Can I can I ask the quick can I ask a

2:49:57question to then? Um

2:49:58>> I'm so sorry.

2:49:59>> Yeah, when he's Yeah. Can we let him and

2:50:01then you can ask? Yeah.

2:50:02>> Okay.

2:50:03>> Thank you, chairperson. Thank you,

2:50:04council members. Um there are a lot of

2:50:06problems in America in Tennessee

2:50:08[clears throat] and Chattanooga. Uh

2:50:09sorry, my name is Abishek Mother from

2:50:11Matco. Um and this is only solving one

2:50:15of them and that is trying to provide

2:50:17housing to people. Um, as a developer

2:50:20focused on affordable housing, obviously

2:50:22I would love the residents to have cars.

2:50:26Not everyone at 30% AMI has two cars.

2:50:29Um, we've talked to Carta. They'll

2:50:31commence go-karta once the project is

2:50:33built. It's obviously not built today,

2:50:35so they're not going to commence

2:50:37currently. Um, we've done engineering

2:50:39work. There's a lot of studies that will

2:50:41occur here to build a project of this

2:50:44scale. and all we can do is try to

2:50:46address the problems that are in front

2:50:48of us. Housing is one of the biggest.

2:50:50Affordability is one of the biggest. Um,

2:50:52in this specific project with the

2:50:55numerous community meetings, answering

2:50:57and talking to community members, we

2:50:59also made an offer of subject to fair

2:51:01housing rules, making sure people who

2:51:03already live in this community will have

2:51:06first access if they meet those income

2:51:08qualifications to the housing. So that

2:51:10means they already live there. They

2:51:12already work somewhere. their their kids

2:51:14go to school, but they're burdened by

2:51:17housing. And so, it's providing that in

2:51:19the communities where people are that

2:51:21need them. And so, I really appreciate

2:51:23all of your consideration and your time

2:51:25to this important costs.

2:51:27>> Thank you.

2:51:28>> Thank you.

2:51:28>> And Councilwoman, did you have a

2:51:30question? Councilwoman D.

2:51:31>> Yeah, I think Thank you so much, Mr.

2:51:32Chair, and I apologize. Uh, I guess my

2:51:34question would be is so $29,200 is the

2:51:39the ceiling. Is that correct?

2:51:41>> For a fourperson family that is making a

2:51:4530% AMI. That's right.

2:51:47>> All right. So,

2:51:49that's enough. That's fine. Thank you so

2:51:50much. I appreciate it. Thank you so

2:51:51much, Mr. Chair. I appreciate it.

2:51:53>> And Councilwoman Burge, you recognize.

2:51:55>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. If there's anybody

2:51:56else that wants to speak, I'll yield to

2:51:58them. Otherwise,

2:51:59>> I don't see any lights.

2:52:01>> So, you you're good.

2:52:02>> Okay. Thank you. Um, [clears throat]

2:52:04thank thank you um Mr. Zinger. Um, thank

2:52:09you all. AB Hannah Clair. Um, you know,

2:52:13I I this is one of those situations,

2:52:15council, where I thought exactly what I

2:52:18was going to do coming into today. Um

2:52:20we've done a lot of work um in the

2:52:23community in person and with emails back

2:52:26and forth and uh felt

2:52:31by last week we had worked out most of

2:52:32the most of the things that we could

2:52:35work out to

2:52:38for us to make an informed decision

2:52:40today, the necessary information um to

2:52:43make an informed decision for an

2:52:45legitimate land use. and I appreciate

2:52:47the comments from Councilwoman Hill and

2:52:50Councilwoman Dotley. Um, so I had these

2:52:53remarks that I was going to make because

2:52:55I knew where we were going with this and

2:52:58um,

2:52:59I appreciate the the input from the

2:53:02community and the developers willingness

2:53:04to incorporate the items that the

2:53:05community said they wanted. Last week,

2:53:08um the community that has now said

2:53:10they're in opposition,

2:53:13uh the gentleman who's not here today

2:53:15said that they were in favor of it. And

2:53:18then I got a phone call and then a a

2:53:21remark from Mr. Zinger sharing that the

2:53:24community is now in opposition. So, I'm

2:53:26in a quandry because I the community

2:53:29that has said that they're in opposition

2:53:31has worked really hard to improve this

2:53:35area

2:53:36>> and I think this is another for me I

2:53:38think this is another good step and I

2:53:40think that the developer and his

2:53:42partners along with Chadigga Housing

2:53:44Authority have done a good job of

2:53:47meeting the needs of the community and

2:53:50answering the questions that cause them

2:53:52some pause because they've worked not

2:53:55just a couple years. They've worked for

2:53:57several years to turn in the area of

2:53:59Summit, which is at the very far north

2:54:02edge, northeast edge of district 6.

2:54:05I mean, it's just at the border. So,

2:54:08it's, you know, it's it's, you know,

2:54:11some of the people that have had input

2:54:13are county residents and not city

2:54:14residents, but this is also their

2:54:16community as well. So, I want to be

2:54:17respectful of that and I appreciate

2:54:19their input. Um, this is a project that

2:54:23I know is going to be

2:54:25a positive for our community, for our

2:54:28community. I think it is going to serve

2:54:29a need to your point, Councilwoman Hill,

2:54:32Councilwoman Dotley. Uh, in thinking

2:54:35about um, you know, the decision as to

2:54:39where is the right place for affordable

2:54:41housing and I start looking at the the

2:54:44AMIs. I mean, these are the the people

2:54:46that cut hair. These are police

2:54:48officers. These are school teachers.

2:54:50These are um security guards. They are

2:54:54people that provide services to us. And

2:54:57I don't know how I can judge and say why

2:55:00wouldn't I want them to be my neighbor?

2:55:02>> But again, this isn't my neighborhood,

2:55:04you know, so the balance, but I'm I'm a

2:55:07legislator, so I have to make a decision

2:55:10as to a legitimate land use.

2:55:14So, council members, this is what I'd

2:55:16like to propose. I would like to make a

2:55:19motion um to approve this um this

2:55:24ordinance.

2:55:26>> I also want to do some work over the

2:55:29next week because I've got to find out

2:55:30what the heck changed between last

2:55:33week's meeting and this week's this

2:55:35week's meeting because if we had voted

2:55:37on this last week, of course there was a

2:55:39circumstance. Not everybody knew the

2:55:41message about the 2:00 change. And if we

2:55:44had voted on this last week,

2:55:47the people that were here said that they

2:55:49were for it. And now for whatever

2:55:50reason, something has caused pause. And

2:55:54I want to make sure that we're making

2:55:55the right decision going forward. So,

2:55:58uh, next week when I'm here, um, if I

2:56:02find something critically different,

2:56:04then, um, then I'll pose that to you all

2:56:08and ask for you to

2:56:11support it or not supported or give me

2:56:12your feedback. So, council, I'd like to

2:56:15make a a um a motion to approve with the

2:56:19conditions. And these are the conditions

2:56:21that were created by the community with

2:56:24input from the community. Um

2:56:28I want to make sure there wasn't

2:56:29anything else that I wanted to say

2:56:30because I I think this is such an

2:56:32important project that I want to I want

2:56:34to be look back on it and say we got it

2:56:36right. We did a good thing. It serves as

2:56:38a model. So,

2:56:40>> do you want me to read those seven

2:56:41conditions?

2:56:42>> Well, I've got them right here. I can

2:56:43read them if you'd like or I'll read

2:56:45them. Um, a minimum of 50% of the

2:56:47exterior facade area of each multif

2:56:50family structure, including doors and

2:56:52windows, shall consist of brick, stone,

2:56:54stone veneer, stucco, or fiber, cement

2:56:58board materials. The development shall

2:57:00include a dog park. Three. Subject to

2:57:03all required governmental approvals, the

2:57:05developer shall install lighting along

2:57:07the property property's old Leehighway

2:57:10frontage.

2:57:12A 5-ft high vinylcoated chainlink fence

2:57:15shall be installed along the side

2:57:16property lines of the development. The

2:57:18fence may have a black or green vinyl

2:57:20coating.

2:57:21Sidewalks to be constructed along the

2:57:23property frontage of Oldley Highway.

2:57:25Sidewalks shall be Oh, sidewalks to be

2:57:28constructed along the property frontage

2:57:29of Old Highway. Sidewalk shall be

2:57:31constructed in accordance with

2:57:33applicable city of Tadnegger

2:57:34requirements. The developer shall

2:57:37construct a left turn lane on Oldley

2:57:39Highway to serve the development

2:57:41entrance.

2:57:43Except where interrupted by the entrance

2:57:46drive, a 30 foot wide planted buffer

2:57:48shall be provided along the portion of

2:57:50the property that fun fronts oldly

2:57:52highway. The buffer shall contain at a

2:57:55minimum 2 inch caliper evergreen trees

2:57:58spaced 12 feet on center. Um, and I know

2:58:02that

2:58:04well I don't say that I know because I

2:58:06don't I I'm I'm not the insurer of uh

2:58:10the developer and you know what's going

2:58:11to happen from now from now on going

2:58:13forward. But um I have faith that the

2:58:17conversations that we've had and the

2:58:18plan that's put in place is is the right

2:58:20thing to do. And there may be some other

2:58:22things that we need to talk about. You

2:58:24mean you mentioned the the um preferred

2:58:27list and that's the something the

2:58:29community came up with. Um these are

2:58:32going to be neighbors. So how do we

2:58:34secure the safety of the entire

2:58:36community so that that this development

2:58:39becomes part of the of the neighborhood

2:58:41like everybody else and everything else

2:58:42that gets built there. So I know I'm

2:58:44rambling on uh Mr. Chair, but that is my

2:58:47motion with those conditions which are

2:58:49already in the ordinance. All right, we

2:58:51do have a motion properly seconded to

2:58:53approve um with the conditions that are

2:58:57um noted there. Um any other questions

2:59:00or comments, council, before we vote?

2:59:03All in favor?

2:59:05>> Any opposed? And the ordinance passes on

2:59:08first reading.

2:59:10Um item 8E, please. An ordinance to

2:59:14amend Chattanooga City code part two

2:59:15chapter 38 zoning ordinance so as to

2:59:17reszone property located at 21102 Vance

2:59:20Avenue from RN3 residential zone to CN

2:59:24commercial neighborhood zone and for the

2:59:26record this is planning item 2026-0099

2:59:32is the applicant present

2:59:34and is there any opposition present

2:59:39vice chair Elliot you're recognized

2:59:44Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like

2:59:45to make a motion to defer this item till

2:59:48November 3rd.

2:59:50Have a motion properly seconded to defer

2:59:52this item to our [snorts] November 3rd

2:59:55agenda. Are there any questions or

2:59:57comments before we vote? All in

3:00:00[clears throat] favor?

3:00:01>> I. Any opposed?

3:00:04And the item is deferred until November

3:00:063rd.

3:00:09Item 8F, please.

3:00:11>> An ordinance to amend the city code part

3:00:13two chapter 38 zoning ordinance so as to

3:00:15reszone property located at 2411 AR

3:00:18Street from RN15 residential

3:00:20neighborhood zone to CC commercial

3:00:22corridor zone

3:00:24>> and this is planning item 2026-09.

3:00:29Is the applicant present?

3:00:31Is there any opposition present?

3:00:34Vice Chair Elliot, you're recognized.

3:00:36>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to

3:00:38make a motion to approve for the

3:00:39conditions that the clerk and attorney

3:00:42has. Phil, could you read those into the

3:00:44record?

3:00:44>> Yes, sir. Uh, let's see. There are three

3:00:47conditions mentioned. It would be

3:00:49applying only to single unit residential

3:00:52and accessory dwelling unit is permitted

3:00:54but not required as a legal

3:00:56non-conforming use. absentee short-term

3:00:59vacation rental with required short-term

3:01:02vacation rental certificate or [snorts]

3:01:05a homeay short-term vacation rental with

3:01:08required short-term vacation rental

3:01:10certificate and those are the only three

3:01:12uses.

3:01:13>> Okay. Thank you, sir.

3:01:14>> And those are in the version that we

3:01:16have on our agenda.

3:01:18>> No, I don't don't believe so. Are they

3:01:19currently?

3:01:20>> No, I sent them a minute.

3:01:21>> Yes.

3:01:22>> Okay. And so we need as we did earlier a

3:01:25motion [snorts]

3:01:26>> need a motion to amend. Yes.

3:01:28>> Okay. So,

3:01:29>> uh, a motion to amend to include the

3:01:33conditions that we just read. Yes.

3:01:34>> Okay. And I heard a second down there.

3:01:37All right. We have a motion properly

3:01:39seconded um to amend. Are there any

3:01:43questions or comments before we vote?

3:01:46All in favor?

3:01:47>> I. Any opposed? And the motion to amend

3:01:51um passes. And so we are back on the

3:01:55main motion. Um move to approve as

3:01:58amended. Second.

3:01:59>> All right. We do have a motion properly

3:02:01seconded to approve uh this ordinance as

3:02:03amended. Any questions or comments,

3:02:06council, before we vote? [snorts]

3:02:08All in favor?

3:02:10>> Any opposed? And the ordinance passes on

3:02:14first reading as amended.

3:02:16Um item 9A, please. and resolution for

3:02:20city council to [laughter] make an

3:02:21application for city hall Chattanooga

3:02:24Municipal Building to become a local

3:02:26historic landmark. The city of

3:02:28Chattanooga Municipal Building located

3:02:30at 101 East 11th Street, tax map number

3:02:33145E0.

3:02:37>> Move to approve.

3:02:38>> Second.

3:02:39>> We have a motion properly seconded to

3:02:41approve this resolution. Council, are

3:02:44there any questions or comments before

3:02:45we vote?

3:02:47All in favor? I. Any opposed? And the

3:02:51resolution is adopted.

3:02:54Item 9B, please.

3:02:56>> A resolution of the city council of the

3:02:58city of Chattanooga, Tennessee,

3:03:00directing city staff to research local

3:03:02historic landmarks, conduct outreach to

3:03:05owners and constituents, and prepare

3:03:07prepare [laughter] applications for

3:03:09their designation.

3:03:11>> Councilwoman Dotley, you're recognized.

3:03:14>> Uh I guess I'll move to approve.

3:03:18Okay, we have a motion. Second, properly

3:03:21seconded.

3:03:21>> Yes. Now, I would like to move to amend.

3:03:24>> Okay.

3:03:24>> Get on the floor. Okay. So, council, I

3:03:26did consult with our attorney. And so,

3:03:28there are three separate

3:03:31uh amendments for you to consider today.

3:03:33The first is an update in the in the

3:03:36caption. The second one has to do with

3:03:38section one um noting uh Councilwoman

3:03:41Burs's uh recommendation to add the word

3:03:44suggestion. Uh and then the third has to

3:03:47do as I noted uh removing the Tivoli and

3:03:50Soldiers and Sailor auditorium due to

3:03:52their seat pacer designation. So we'll

3:03:55take them one at a time. Okay. So the

3:03:57first one with the caption um gives uh

3:04:01it we have to have consent from the

3:04:05property owner before anything takes

3:04:08place. That way that property owner has

3:04:10the initial say and it has to be in

3:04:11writing. Okay. And so, uh, Phil, could

3:04:13you could you read the actual wording?

3:04:15>> The the caption would be amended, uh,

3:04:17after the well, why not do the whole

3:04:20thing? Okay.

3:04:20>> Be a resolution of the city council of

3:04:22the city of Chattanooga directing city

3:04:24staff to research local historic

3:04:26landmark marks. Construct outre conduct

3:04:30outreach to owners and constituents and

3:04:32then add is the change here. obtain

3:04:35written permission from the property

3:04:37owner or cpacer lei in writing before

3:04:42designation period.

3:04:44>> So that is the first amendment and that

3:04:46is in the form of a motion.

3:04:48>> Second.

3:04:48>> All right. Do have a motion properly

3:04:50seconded um to amend. Um council, are

3:04:55there any questions or comments on the

3:04:57amendment? [snorts]

3:05:00I don't see any. And I think given the

3:05:03the robust discussion we had earlier, it

3:05:05might be prudent to do a roll call vote

3:05:07on these amendments. Um, so Madame

3:05:09Clerk, if you would please take a roll

3:05:11call vote on the amendment. [snorts]

3:05:14>> Councilman Henderson, no.

3:05:17>> Councilwoman Hill,

3:05:20>> Council Harvey,

3:05:21>> no.

3:05:23>> Councilman Clark,

3:05:24>> no.

3:05:25>> Councilwoman Bur,

3:05:27>> yes.

3:05:29>> Councilwoman Dolly,

3:05:30>> yes.

3:05:32Councilwoman,

3:05:33>> yes.

3:05:34>> Vice Chair Elliott,

3:05:35>> no.

3:05:37>> Chairman Davis,

3:05:38>> no.

3:05:40>> That's five. No.

3:05:42>> All right. And so that amendment fails.

3:05:44Um, did you have a

3:05:46>> Yes, I have two more.

3:05:47>> Yes, ma'am.

3:05:48>> So, the other two, the second one has to

3:05:50do with adding the word suggestion under

3:05:54section one. It's just uh uh Phil, could

3:05:58you read that designation applications

3:06:00for the suggested property? Just adding

3:06:01a word there.

3:06:02>> Yeah, just adding the word suggested

3:06:04properties listed on exhibit A instead

3:06:07of all of the items.

3:06:09>> Okay, thank you so much. And that is in

3:06:10the form of a mo motion.

3:06:12>> It's not going to be on all exhibits.

3:06:14>> Uh is it it's only one exhibit, right,

3:06:16Council?

3:06:17>> There's only one exhibit A.

3:06:18>> Yeah. So, did you get is that a motion?

3:06:23Yes, that's in the form of a motion

3:06:24because there's only one cuz councilman

3:06:26Clark there's only one exhibit, correct?

3:06:27It's only exhibit A or is there more?

3:06:30>> When you say exhibit, like are you

3:06:31meaning the the amount of properties?

3:06:34>> Just the document is it just said one is

3:06:37it more than one exhibit? It's different

3:06:38parts to the one exhibit, but there's

3:06:40only one exhibit.

3:06:41>> Correct.

3:06:42>> Right.

3:06:42>> I'm not There's only one exhibit,

3:06:45>> right? That's what I thought. Yeah,

3:06:47there's only one is the exhibit actually

3:06:49listing. Can you pull it up?

3:06:53There's only one exhibit.

3:06:54>> Yeah, we're looking at it. There's just

3:06:56one,

3:06:56>> but the exhibit should be the listing of

3:06:58the actual properties.

3:07:00>> Yeah, it Yeah,

3:07:02>> it's a listing.

3:07:03>> Okay. Yeah, that's the exhibit. Um,

3:07:05>> I think it's just one.

3:07:06>> It's just It should be just one. I'm not

3:07:09>> Yeah, it's one exhibit. It has multiple

3:07:10parts, but it's one

3:07:12>> A lists the cemeteries. Exhibit B lists

3:07:14the city hall, Tivy Theater, and

3:07:16Soldiers and Sailors. And then exhibit C

3:07:18First Baptist Church. several exhibits.

3:07:22>> Exhibit B. Oh, is it parts? The parts.

3:07:25It's exhibit

3:07:26>> D lists Solomon building in the Hamilton

3:07:28Honey House.

3:07:29>> It's exhibit A, part A, B, C, D, and D.

3:07:32But it's only one exhibit. See what I'm

3:07:34saying?

3:07:34>> Oh, I see.

3:07:35>> You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's

3:07:36only one. That's what I thought. It's

3:07:37only one exhibit. My bad.

3:07:38>> That's okay. Listen, we that's been

3:07:40corrected.

3:07:41>> Okay. So, it's only one.

3:07:43>> It should be one exact. [clears throat]

3:07:46>> Okay. And just to that one thing, adding

3:07:49that one word uh after applications for

3:07:52the suggested properties.

3:07:54>> Thank you.

3:07:54>> Uh in the form of a motion.

3:07:56>> Second.

3:07:57>> All right. We do have a motion properly

3:07:59seconded on that amendment. Um are there

3:08:02any questions or comments? Councilwoman

3:08:05Burs.

3:08:06>> Oh, you went I

3:08:08>> Oh,

3:08:08>> yep. I spoke out of turn and that was my

3:08:10mic.

3:08:10>> Okay. [laughter]

3:08:12[snorts]

3:08:12>> All right. Any uh questions or comments

3:08:15on this particular amendment, council?

3:08:19All right, seeing none, uh madame clerk,

3:08:21if you would take a roll call vote on

3:08:23this amendment.

3:08:25>> Councilwoman,

3:08:26>> yes.

3:08:27>> Councilwoman Dling,

3:08:29>> Councilwoman Bur,

3:08:30>> yes.

3:08:32>> Councilman Clark,

3:08:33>> no.

3:08:35>> Councilman Harvey,

3:08:36>> no.

3:08:37>> Councilwoman Hill,

3:08:38>> no. Councilman Henderson, no.

3:08:42>> Vice Chair Elliott,

3:08:44>> no.

3:08:45>> Chairman Davis,

3:08:46>> no.

3:08:48>> That's six and0.

3:08:49>> Okay. And so that amendment fails as

3:08:52well. Um, and the third one,

3:08:54>> yes, the third one has to do with

3:08:55removing the Tivoli and Soldiers and

3:08:57Sailor Auditorium.

3:09:00M,

3:09:00>> could you read that one too? be a motion

3:09:02to remove the Tivoli and Soldier Sailors

3:09:06Auditorium

3:09:07uh [clears throat] from exhibit A part B

3:09:10RH hunt two and three because of the C

3:09:13pacer designation.

3:09:16>> Yes, and that's in the form of a motion

3:09:17as well.

3:09:18>> Second.

3:09:18>> All right, we have a motion properly

3:09:20seconded um on this third amendment. Um

3:09:24council, are there any questions or

3:09:26comments before we vote?

3:09:30All right, Madame Clerk, if you would

3:09:31please take a roll call vote on this uh

3:09:34third amendment.

3:09:35>> Councilman Henderson.

3:09:37[clears throat]

3:09:37>> Councilwoman Hill,

3:09:38>> yes.

3:09:40>> Councilman Harvey,

3:09:42>> no.

3:09:44>> Councilman Clark,

3:09:45>> no.

3:09:46>> Councilwoman Bur,

3:09:48>> yes.

3:09:49>> Councilwoman Dotley,

3:09:51>> yes.

3:09:52>> Councilwoman,

3:09:54>> yes.

3:09:55>> Vice Chair Elliott,

3:09:56>> no. Chairman Davis.

3:09:59>> No,

3:10:02it's fine. No.

3:10:04>> Okay.

3:10:05>> And that amendment um fails and so we

3:10:08are unless there are any other motions

3:10:12on amendments.

3:10:14>> Okay. Um we are back um on the the

3:10:19resolution itself now [snorts]

3:10:22and I believe we have

3:10:23>> like to make a motion to approve item B

3:10:27as written.

3:10:29>> Okay.

3:10:30>> Second.

3:10:31>> Have a motion properly seconded. Um any

3:10:34further questions or comments council

3:10:37before we vote?

3:10:38>> Roll call vote.

3:10:40>> Okay. Yes ma'am.

3:10:42And so, Madame Clerk, if you would take

3:10:44a roll call vote on the main motion.

3:10:45[laughter]

3:10:46>> Councilwoman No.

3:10:47>> No.

3:10:49>> Councilwoman Dialy.

3:10:51>> Councilwoman Bur.

3:10:53>> No.

3:10:55>> Councilman Clark,

3:10:56>> yes.

3:10:58>> Councilman Harvey,

3:10:59>> yes.

3:11:01>> Councilwoman Hill,

3:11:02>> no.

3:11:04>> Councilman Henderson,

3:11:05>> yes.

3:11:06>> Vice Chair Elliott,

3:11:08>> yes.

3:11:10Chairman Davis.

3:11:11>> Yes.

3:11:13>> And the resolution is adopted.

3:11:17Um, if you would please read item 9 C.

3:11:23A resolution hiring Christina Spear as

3:11:26director of legislative affairs pursuant

3:11:28to section 2C, personnel of the city

3:11:31council rules of operation adopted on

3:11:33August 18th, 2026. My resolution number

3:11:3632973 to perform our duties of such

3:11:38position as established by city council

3:11:44>> count or vice chair Elliot you're

3:11:46recognized

3:11:46>> after a year plus I am happy to move to

3:11:52approve this one I appreciate everybody

3:11:55leaning in council null I appreciate you

3:11:58picking this up long before I got to it

3:12:01and being a part of this journey so

3:12:03happily move to approve

3:12:07Motion properly seconded. Um on this

3:12:10particular resolution, um Councilwoman,

3:12:13no, you're recognized.

3:12:14>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I um

3:12:18was disappointed in the process of this

3:12:20the second time around because as you

3:12:23all know, you all selected a process in

3:12:26order for it to always be a committee.

3:12:30And the committee was chosen. Mr. chair,

3:12:32you selected the committee uh and

3:12:35because it did not go the way that you

3:12:37all wanted it to go, you turned back

3:12:40around and flipped the coin and brought

3:12:43it before the whole council as a whole,

3:12:46which was the original of what we did

3:12:49anyway. So, the process once again

3:12:53is garbage.

3:12:55And what I'll say again and standing 10

3:12:58toes down on it the first time,

3:13:00is what it is.

3:13:02So, I will not be in support of this

3:13:05because it was not my first selection to

3:13:07start with. You should have gone back to

3:13:09the application pool, which would have

3:13:12been the proper thing to do, but you did

3:13:16not. And because certain council people

3:13:18were not in

3:13:20the meeting at the beginning that was on

3:13:23the committee, you flipped it back

3:13:25around so they could be and have a say

3:13:28in it when you brought it before the

3:13:30nine.

3:13:31So, I got an issue with it.

3:13:35>> Any other questions or comments,

3:13:36council?

3:13:40>> All right, we do have the motion

3:13:41properly seconded. Um, all in favor?

3:13:45>> I Any opposed?

3:13:46>> I

3:13:51Okay, we have uh the resolution is

3:13:54adopted with the one no vote.

3:13:57>> All right. Um item 9 D, please. The

3:14:02resolution authorizing the second

3:14:03amendment of resolution number 31906 to

3:14:06allocate an additional $200,000 of

3:14:09community development block grant COVID

3:14:12CDBGCV funds to Metropolitan Ministries

3:14:16and authorizing the administrative for

3:14:18the Department of Economic Development

3:14:20to execute a second amendment to the

3:14:23subreient agreement increasing the total

3:14:25award to $348,782.

3:14:29>> Move to approve. Second.

3:14:31>> Motion properly seconded to approve this

3:14:33resolution. Council, are there any

3:14:35questions or comments before we vote?

3:14:37>> Yeah.

3:14:38>> All in favor?

3:14:40>> Any opposed? And the resolution is

3:14:43adopted.

3:14:46Item 9E, please. A resolution

3:14:49authorizing the allocation of an

3:14:50additional $130,000 of housing and urban

3:14:54development HUD community development

3:14:56block grant COVID CDBGCV

3:15:00funds to Habitat for Humanity of Greater

3:15:02Chattanooga for the home repair

3:15:03extension project and authorizing the

3:15:06administrator of the Department of

3:15:07Economic Development to execute an

3:15:09amendment to the current subreient

3:15:11agreement increasing the total award to

3:15:15$533,200.

3:15:16$50.

3:15:18>> Move to approve.

3:15:19>> Have a motion properly seconded to

3:15:21approve this resolution. Council, are

3:15:23there any questions or comments before

3:15:25we vote?

3:15:27>> All in favor?

3:15:28>> I.

3:15:29>> Any opposed? And the resolution is

3:15:32adopted.

3:15:34Um item 9F, [clears throat]

3:15:36please.

3:15:37>> A resolution authorizing the Department

3:15:38of Technology Services to enter into a

3:15:415-year contract with Open Gov, Inc. for

3:15:43a fleet enterprise asset management

3:15:45software for use by the Department of

3:15:48Public Works Fleet Services Division

3:15:50with an annual spend limit not to exceed

3:15:53$100,000.

3:15:55>> Move to approve. We [snorts]

3:15:57>> have a motion properly seconded to

3:15:59approve this resolution. Council, are

3:16:01there any questions or comments before

3:16:03we vote?

3:16:05>> All in favor?

3:16:06>> One second here. I'm trying to see from

3:16:08the back. Is there an issue regarding

3:16:10the amount on this particular

3:16:13resolution? And I think we need to hear

3:16:15have from the administration. We had two

3:16:17different numbers in here. One as to

3:16:19100,000 and one as to 150,000. I just

3:16:22want to make sure if there's an issue.

3:16:30>> Yes, sir. We would like to amend that

3:16:31price from 100,000 to 150,000.

3:16:34>> Okay. Sir, in in that event it was

3:16:37advertised at the amount of $100,000 for

3:16:40this week and I think that uh in

3:16:42accordance with the open meetings act

3:16:44here it would need to be at least 48

3:16:46hours in advance so it could be deferred

3:16:47until next week and then considered for

3:16:50that amount [laughter] of information

3:16:52can we amend it here?

3:16:54>> Well, you advertised it for one number

3:16:56and uh it is not advertised for an extra

3:16:59$50,000 here. That's a pretty

3:17:01significant amendment.

3:17:04>> Okay. And

3:17:06[clears throat]

3:17:07>> we need to move to defer the

3:17:08>> I think it'd be better to defer it and

3:17:10actually advertise it for the 150.

3:17:13>> Okay.

3:17:14>> Move to defer

3:17:17>> 27th. Yes.

3:17:20>> All right. We have a motion to defer

3:17:22this item one week until our October

3:17:2527th meeting. Um, properly seconded. Are

3:17:30there any questions or comments before

3:17:32we vote?

3:17:34All in favor?

3:17:35>> I.

3:17:36>> Any opposed? And the item will be

3:17:38deferred one week until October 27th.

3:17:43>> Item 9G, please. A resolution

3:17:47authorizing administrator for the

3:17:48Department of Public Works to execute an

3:17:51extension deposit agreement with

3:17:53Tennessee American Water Company for the

3:17:55Raccoon Mountain Road Waterline

3:17:57Extension Project contract number

3:17:59E260005201

3:18:01in the amount of $4,545,157.

3:18:10>> Have a motion properly seconded on this

3:18:12resolution. Councilman Henderson, you're

3:18:15recognized. I'm just going to make a

3:18:17motion to approve.

3:18:17>> Understood. Okay. Uh council, are there

3:18:20any questions or comments before we

3:18:22vote?

3:18:23>> All in favor?

3:18:25>> Any opposed?

3:18:26>> I

3:18:28>> All right. The resolution passes with

3:18:30the two no votes. Um item 9H, please.

3:18:37A resolution authorizing Department of

3:18:39Public Works to erect commemorative

3:18:41street name signs on the alley behind

3:18:43900 East 11th Street, commonly known as

3:18:46Foundry Alley, designating it as Jim

3:18:49Templeton Alley.

3:18:55>> Move to approve.

3:18:56>> Second.

3:18:57>> Council, we do have a motion properly

3:18:59seconded to approve this resolution. Um,

3:19:02are there any questions or comments

3:19:04before we vote?

3:19:06All in favor? I.

3:19:08>> Any opposed? And the resolution is

3:19:11adopted. Item 9 I, please.

3:19:14>> A resolution authorizing payment to

3:19:16Capital Waste Services for Ray County

3:19:18Landfill for 3 years to dispose bio

3:19:21solid sludge and other special waste for

3:19:24a total amount not to exceed $200,000.

3:19:27>> Motion approve. Second.

3:19:29>> Do have a motion properly seconded um to

3:19:32approve this resolution. Council, are

3:19:34there any questions or comments before

3:19:36we vote?

3:19:37All in favor?

3:19:39>> I.

3:19:39>> Any opposed? And the resolution is

3:19:42adopted.

3:19:44Takes us to purchases. Weston, come on

3:19:47down. Good evening, council. We have we

3:19:52have one purchase recommended for

3:19:53approval this evening. Uh this is a

3:19:55one-time purchase of traffic cabinet

3:19:58locking systems for the Department of

3:20:00Technology Services in the amount of

3:20:02185,340.96.

3:20:06The award will go to Assa Abby Global

3:20:09Solutions as the best bid.

3:20:12>> Second.

3:20:14>> Motion properly seconded on this

3:20:16purchase. Um council, are there any

3:20:18questions or comments before we vote?

3:20:21>> All in favor?

3:20:23>> I. Any opposed? The purchase is

3:20:26approved. Thank you, Won.

3:20:29All right, that takes us to committee

3:20:31reports. We'll go around the dis here.

3:20:34We'll start with councilwoman null.

3:20:36>> Yes, sir. This is not a committee

3:20:40committee report, but just to say that

3:20:43I'm glad to hear that for a year and a

3:20:46half and I have been advocating for all

3:20:48the centers to receive the AED devices.

3:20:52And so that is coming full circle and

3:20:55we're in the process of setting up

3:20:57classes for everyone to be able to use

3:21:01those AEDs in our centers. So I am

3:21:05grateful for that. Thank you.

3:21:07>> Thank you.

3:21:08>> It's all about keeping the community

3:21:10safe.

3:21:11>> Council and I should say thank you to

3:21:14community health, department of

3:21:15community health. Is anybody else

3:21:17familiar with that? Because we work Dr.

3:21:19Anderson there. Thank you. Okay,

3:21:22Councilwoman Dotley. [sighs and gasps]

3:21:24>> Thank you so much, Mr. Chair. Um, we

3:21:26will have a community development and

3:21:28education committee meeting Thursday,

3:21:31October 29th at 3 p.m. here at city

3:21:34council. Uh, so just want to make

3:21:35everybody aware of that and for um and

3:21:38the agenda will be going out once that's

3:21:40finalized.

3:21:42>> All right. Thank you.

3:21:42>> Thank you, Councilwoman Burrus.

3:21:45>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, we will have a

3:21:48planning and zoning and housing

3:21:49committee meeting next week. This will

3:21:51be the shift of our new structure where

3:21:54we're going to hear planning cases two

3:21:56weeks in advance versus a week in

3:21:58advance of them coming before the

3:22:00agenda.

3:22:01>> And then I've got So, we'll see how it

3:22:02works. If we need to shift it, we will.

3:22:05And then I've got two community

3:22:06announcements. Um, we have a the Midtown

3:22:10Connect Fall Festival which is free and

3:22:12open to the public. It'll be Saturday,

3:22:14October 31st, 4:30 to 7:30. It'll all be

3:22:17based out of the Kitchen Incubator of

3:22:19Chattanooga. Uh, amazing event. So, if

3:22:23you have nothing else to do on

3:22:24Halloween, come join us there. And then

3:22:27this coming Saturday,

3:22:29um just to emphasize again how much we

3:22:33want to make our city look even prettier

3:22:37than it already does, we're going to

3:22:38have little bit louder, which will be um

3:22:43in the uh district 6 area. We're going

3:22:46to be starting and finishing again at

3:22:47the kitchen incubator. It's becoming a

3:22:49great event space for that part of town.

3:22:52and we'll be doing litter cleanup and

3:22:54then we'll come back to the kitchen

3:22:56incubator. We'll be doing litter cleanup

3:22:58just within walking distance of that

3:22:59area and then coming back to the kitchen

3:23:01incubator for uh free food um live DJ

3:23:06and karaoke. So again, if you don't have

3:23:08anything to do on Saturday, October

3:23:1024th, we would love for you to come out

3:23:12at 12:00 and help us make uh the Brainer

3:23:15Road area look prettier and then enjoy

3:23:18us and and join us for some food and

3:23:20entertainment afterwards. Thank you, Mr.

3:23:22Chair.

3:23:23>> Thank you, Councilman Henderson.

3:23:29>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. We did have a

3:23:32budget finance uh committee hearing this

3:23:35afternoon. I started to say this

3:23:37morning. It's been so long now. But um

3:23:39[laughter]

3:23:41we had a public hearing concerning our

3:23:43FY27 budget amendment that we will hear

3:23:47uh the first reading next Tuesday.

3:23:49That's all.

3:23:50>> Okay. Councilwoman Hill.

3:23:57>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I'll tell you

3:24:00what, guys. If don't let anybody tell

3:24:02you they're bored this weekend because

3:24:04you've got all that great stuff

3:24:05happening in district six. I know

3:24:07downtown is going to be so full with the

3:24:09the bluegrass festival. Um, in district

3:24:13two, we have some really exciting things

3:24:15happening on Saturday. We've got the

3:24:18Frasier Fest. We also for Saturday and

3:24:21Sunday, Ava is hosting the Between the

3:24:23Bridges Art Fair, which is all local

3:24:25artists. um just come down to Frasier

3:24:28Avenue and enjoy the bridge as well. And

3:24:32then also as for council work, next week

3:24:36the 27th at 1:30, we have an economic

3:24:39development meeting. Primary topic of

3:24:41conversation will be changes uh to our

3:24:45tiff policies. Always want to learn and

3:24:48get better. Thank you.

3:24:50>> Thank you,

3:24:52Councilman Harvey.

3:24:54>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, no

3:24:55committee report, but I do want to

3:24:56encourage folks to attend the IBMA

3:24:58Bluegrass Festival this weekend of which

3:25:00I'm a huge supporter of. So, starting

3:25:02today and going through Saturday, uh,

3:25:05downtown Chattanooga will be full of

3:25:06banjos, guitars, and fiddles. Um, so go

3:25:09check it out. Uh, there's jamming in the

3:25:13hotel at the Marriott, uh, all floors.

3:25:16Um, so it's a it's a definite, uh, good

3:25:19time. Um, so check that out. Let's

3:25:21support IBMA while they're here. Thanks,

3:25:25Councilman Clark.

3:25:26>> Uh, thank you, uh, Chairman Davis. I

3:25:28actually do not have any committee

3:25:30reports, but I do want to, uh, do a

3:25:32special thank you, uh, to Cassie Klene,

3:25:35who is in the audience. We have been

3:25:37working on the landmark development, and

3:25:39just not her, her research team at UTC,

3:25:42Linda Moss Mines, the preservation commi

3:25:44committee,

3:25:46um, community who have been really

3:25:49working to make this legislation. And

3:25:51thank you to my colleagues who voted for

3:25:53it. I do want to remind you that those

3:25:54who voted for what you voted for. You

3:25:56voted because part of that resolution is

3:25:59to do the application for Lincoln Park.

3:26:02Thank you, Tiffany Rankin, for being

3:26:03here. Part of that resolution is to

3:26:05preserve the historic black businesses

3:26:09on ML King and the black cemeteries and

3:26:11the Confederate cemeteries and the

3:26:13Jewish cemeteries. So, thank you all who

3:26:15voted for that. And it is in public

3:26:17record that you support uh historic

3:26:21preservation. And that was a win for the

3:26:22uh preservation community tonight where

3:26:24we're actively tearing down buildings.

3:26:26So, thank you.

3:26:28>> All right. Thank you, Vice Chair

3:26:30Elliott.

3:26:32>> Um, thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh just a

3:26:34reminder, uh next Thursday, October

3:26:3729th, we will be having a conversation

3:26:40discussing how we can redesign,

3:26:43uh parts of Briner Road to make sure

3:26:45it's safer for uh everyone who travels

3:26:49it, especially in the Oldtown Brainard

3:26:50neighborhood.

3:26:52We'll be looking at um everything from

3:26:56the Macaui tunnels to Tunnel Boulevard.

3:26:59Reminder again, it's a state highway.

3:27:01You can't go lower than four lanes. So,

3:27:04if anybody thinks we're going to try to

3:27:06put two lanes out there, put your

3:27:08pitchforks up. I promise we're not

3:27:10trying to do that. But, we do need to

3:27:12figure out how do we make that road

3:27:14safer for that Oldtown Briner

3:27:16neighborhood. Everybody who travels pass

3:27:19through there and also make sure it's

3:27:22more conducive for the businesses that

3:27:24call that place home. So that's at 6

3:27:27o'clock next Thursday, October 29th at

3:27:30Ganon Art Center.

3:27:31>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3:27:32>> Thank you. We do have one item of other

3:27:35business. Um I believe we have our fire

3:27:39chief [snorts] Nullles here. Um for that

3:27:42to report a grant received

3:27:46>> Tennessee American. Yes.

3:27:48>> Let's go.

3:27:49>> Come on.

3:27:49>> Oh, I thought you were going to read it

3:27:51off. So yeah, good evening. Yeah, Fire

3:27:54Chief Terry Nolles. So, we received a

3:27:55grant from Tennessee American Water.

3:27:57There's no match uh to it and it was for

3:27:59$1,000 and we're using on a training

3:28:01appliance uh to move water and it'll be

3:28:04housed at our training center.

3:28:06>> So, that's it.

3:28:08>> Yeah. Thank you, sir.

3:28:08>> Chief, this morning, uh Seth was

3:28:10actually saying on the on the call that

3:28:12this is something that might be

3:28:14beneficial to the rest of the fire

3:28:16hydrants in the city. It's a new new

3:28:18method here that was coming on. Is that

3:28:20what you remembered on here? It was a

3:28:21really

3:28:22>> It's just a a water appliance. It's how

3:28:25we can take get the most out of a fire

3:28:27hydrant. Yes sir.

3:28:28>> And run it to our truck. So, it's taking

3:28:29multiple multiple lines off a fire

3:28:32hydrant and running it into one uh so we

3:28:35can get it into our truck. So, we're

3:28:37going to test it. We're going to train

3:28:38on it. See if it'll be beneficial to put

3:28:40out throughout the city

3:28:41>> and then see whether it might be

3:28:42something beneficial for the other

3:28:43trucks in the city.

3:28:44>> That's correct.

3:28:45>> All right, sir. Thank you.

3:28:46>> Yeah. Thank you'all.

3:28:47>> We do have some representatives from

3:28:48Tennessee American here, so thank you

3:28:51for that.

3:28:53All right. Um, so we're now to that

3:28:55portion of our meeting where we're happy

3:28:57to hear from members of the public that

3:28:58are here to address council. So if

3:29:00you're here for that purpose, if you

3:29:02would please come to the podium down

3:29:04front and listen while our attorney

3:29:06reads the rules. And we just ask, as

3:29:08always, that everybody listens and

3:29:09abides by the rules.

3:29:13And at the end of each council business

3:29:15meeting, the chair will recognize

3:29:16members of the public who wish to

3:29:18address the council. And here's your

3:29:19rules. Each speaker wishing to address

3:29:21the council can be recognized only at

3:29:23the microphone up front provided for

3:29:25that purpose can have more than three

3:29:27minutes to speak and you can address the

3:29:29council only upon matters within their

3:29:32legislative and quai judicial authority

3:29:34and not on matters which are not under

3:29:36their authority or regulated by other

3:29:38governmental bodies or agencies. Do not

3:29:40engage in any vulgar or obscene

3:29:42language, nor use the floor to

3:29:43personally attack or personally

3:29:44denigrate others, and address the

3:29:46council as a whole, and not make

3:29:48comments directed towards individual

3:29:50council members. And lastly, do not

3:29:52engage in disorderly conduct or

3:29:54disrupting a public meeting, which is

3:29:56prohibited by Tennessee law and someone

3:29:58commits that offense if a person

3:30:00substantially obstructs or interferes

3:30:02with the meeting by physical act or

3:30:03verbal utterance with the intent to

3:30:05prevent or disrupt a lawful meeting or

3:30:07gathering. Having stated those rules,

3:30:09please state your name, ma'am, and your

3:30:11district.

3:30:12>> My name is Tiffany Rankkins, uh,

3:30:14district 8. I live in Lincoln Park. I

3:30:17want to thank all that voted for the

3:30:19preservation.

3:30:21I thank those that carried the torch. I

3:30:23thank Miss Cassie once again

3:30:27uh for when she presented it. Um, I was

3:30:31sending text messages saying this is

3:30:33perfect for Lincoln Park. I'm just glad

3:30:36that uh those grandparents lived in the

3:30:40neighborhood and they had a history for

3:30:42that place. They wanted to preserve the

3:30:46park. Also,

3:30:47um it's so many uh uh [clears throat]

3:30:50African-American

3:30:52development that has been lost. I'm

3:30:55hearing about homes built on top of

3:30:58graves. Uh it's just egregious. Um, I

3:31:03just like to thank the city council

3:31:05members who voted to preserve. Thank

3:31:08you. Thank you.

3:31:12Is there anyone else here this evening

3:31:14that would like to address council?

3:31:16>> Move to a motion properly seconded to

3:31:19journ. All in favor? We are journed.

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