2026-09-14 - City Council

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00:47>> [laughter]

09:59>> testing.

10:03>> Good evening everyone. Let the record

10:05indicate it is now 5:02 p.m. and the War

10:08City Council Finance Committee is called

10:10to order.

10:13Need a motion for approval of the

10:15minutes on August 17th.

10:18>> Second.

10:19>> We have a motion. We have a second.

10:23All in favor?

10:24>> I. Thank you.

10:31Um, okay. Let's just actually I kind of

10:34did them out of order, but let's go to

10:36um the next item for

10:39um approval of the minutes on August

10:4127th.

10:43>> So moved.

10:44>> Second.

10:45>> We have a motion. We have a second. All

10:46in favor?

10:47>> I. Thank you.

10:55>> Okay.

11:14>> [clears throat]

11:16>> Okay,

11:30this

11:38Just as a reminder, if you have a cell

11:40phone, please either turn it off or put

11:42it on vibrate. I just reminded myself

11:45because I still had it live. Okay. Um if

11:49there's no objections from members of

11:51the committee, I would like to um have

11:55the um Mr. Dep come before us with

11:58abatements prior to the bid package. Any

12:01objections hearing? None. Okay.

12:04Director, it's all yours.

12:06>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Neil Dupwi,

12:08director of assessing. This month, we

12:10have abatements for you in the amount of

12:12$21,737.60.

12:16Uh they are all new exemptions that were

12:18not applied for before, but I'll answer

12:20any questions that you might have.

12:24>> Okay. Thank you, director.

12:27Are there any questions from members of

12:29the committee?

12:31Any questions from members of the

12:33committee?

12:34Are there any abstensions?

12:38Are there any questions from members of

12:41the public? Do we have any questions

12:43from members of the public?

12:44>> Mr. Chairman,

12:45>> sir,

12:46>> uh, Council President Sappi is

12:48requesting two items to be removed so he

12:51can recuse. It is abatement 173568

12:57relative to Breen in the amount of

13:00$41520.

13:02>> Hold on one minute. Um, tell me that

13:05again. Which the what's the reference

13:07number?

13:08>> The reference number is 173568

13:12in the name of Breen. The amount is

13:15$41520.

13:18>> Okay.

13:19And the other one is reference number

13:23173587

13:27uh Lewis in the same amount $415.20.

13:34So if we could get a PCR assigned to

13:36those and have them voted separately.

13:43Okay. So u may I have a PCR for those

13:47two items, please?

13:55100-26.

13:58Thank you.

14:05Okay. So, we have PCR 100-26.

14:09Um, and it is for an amendment. The

14:12amendment will be in the amount of

14:14$83040.

14:16Is that correct, solicitor?

14:20>> Okay. You concur, director.

14:23>> I didn't hear the number. 830 and 40.

14:27>> $830.40.

14:28We have two

14:29>> That's correct.

14:30>> two items each for $415.20.

14:33Okay.

14:34>> Yep.

14:35>> Um, solicit, if you could do the math

14:37and tell me what the net is, please.

14:41Uh I will calculate that if you want to

14:44uh give a recommendation on PCR26. I'll

14:47have the the remaining balance up in a

14:49second.

14:49>> Um I need a a recommendation on PCR

14:52100-26.

14:54>> So moved.

14:54>> We have a second. We have a second by

14:57Councilman Napper. Any other discussion?

15:02Okay.

15:05So you have your calculator, Mr.

15:07Solicitor.

15:10Uh those items being removed, the new

15:13amount for PCR 99926 would be $20,9720.

15:22>> I've got the same

15:23>> 20,9720.

15:28Correct.

15:29>> Okay. Thank you.

15:33You agree, director?

15:34>> I do.

15:35>> Very good. Okay. So, um, I need a motion

15:39on PCR 100-26

15:41as amended.

15:42>> So, moved as amended.

15:43>> We have We have a motion. We have a

15:45second. Any further discussion? All

15:47those in favor?

15:48>> I

15:49>> I Thank you.

15:50>> Thank you.

15:53>> Okay. Thank you, director. Thank you,

15:55solicitor.

16:30First item In the bid package

16:34PCR 98-26

16:37will be item number 2027

16:41180 that is found on page one and it's

16:44student assistant services.

16:46>> Good evening Lyn Proctor finance

16:49director.

16:50>> Um this evening I'm asking um that the

16:54city cover this expense once again for

16:56the school department. This came up in

16:59the um budget commission meetings from

17:03last year. We received um settlement

17:08money for any expense related to the

17:10opiate crisis and this was deemed

17:14inappropriate use. Uh the school

17:16department hasn't budgeted for this

17:19expense. Again, uh we have $900,000

17:22in that fund at the moment. So the

17:24understanding is that we still have room

17:26to pay for this for them.

17:31and it's $152,640.

17:40Director, in your presentation paper,

17:45you say all funds reserve received are

17:48to be utilized exclusively to alleviate

17:51expenses related to opioid treatment,

17:55prevention and recovery efforts to

17:58combat opioid epidemic. Can you explain

18:03and define

18:05what your position is on prevention?

18:10Um I that is not my area of expertise.

18:13It's not um drug use prevention. It's my

18:17understanding that this program works

18:20both in the treatment prevention and

18:22recovery for any of our students who may

18:24be addicted to either drugs or alcohol.

18:28Um I've been told that the number one

18:31referral in this program are actually

18:33other students to students. Um,

18:37and to me that would very much define

18:39prevention. You know, students seeing

18:42their friends starting to struggle helps

18:45keep them clean.

18:49[clears throat]

18:49>> Okay. Um,

18:51I don't know about my colleagues, but I

18:54other than what's in our bid package

18:57here, I have no clue who C3 Well-being

19:01is. Um, first time we've heard of him is

19:03is right now. So, I do have some

19:06follow-up questions, but you also state

19:09that the city's opioid reserve fund

19:12right now is 894,183.

19:16>> Correct.

19:16>> So, is it accurate that this 152640 if

19:22approved is deducted off of that leaving

19:24us a balance of 741543?

19:27>> Yes.

19:27>> Okay. I just wanted to be sure we agreed

19:30on the balance.

19:36So

19:39with you as the finance director making

19:42this recommendation for us to transfer

19:46approximately $153,000

19:48over to this C3 well-being.

19:54What what do you know about C3

19:58well-being?

19:59>> I know C3 well-being has taken over this

20:02program from uh RISAS last year. Um it

20:07it looked like online to me that there

20:08was a merger of the programs. This

20:11program is actually a statemandated

20:12program as well which is not actually

20:15currently funded by the state which is

20:17why this came out as a finding from the

20:19budget commission.

20:22So this is um state operated.

20:25>> Okay,

20:25>> that's my understanding.

20:29>> Have you received or requested any

20:33financial statements or balance sheets

20:35from this C3 well-being?

20:38>> I have not.

20:41>> So at this moment, um I know we don't

20:44have any. So, I would assume we we the

20:49city

20:50>> does not know what the financial

20:54status is of C3 well-being.

20:56>> I I don't know their financial status.

20:58Uh I just know that they're um in

21:02agreement to run this program for the

21:03whole year. [clears throat]

21:06>> Well, [snorts] of course, I I always get

21:07concerned when I'm going to transfer

21:10$153,000

21:13another entity. The chief of staff tells

21:15me um C3bot Coastline EAP which has been

21:19in business for years which is also

21:21affiliated with this rice program.

21:23They're all affiliated with each other

21:25and I don't know how long that company

21:27has been in business.

21:29>> So does does the chief have financial

21:32statement or balance sheet on this C3

21:34well-being? No, we don't require

21:37financial statements or balance sheets

21:39from vendors that are doing work for

21:42mental health support. This is through

21:45the school department. This is

21:46supporting the school department's

21:48initiatives to to treat and to prevent

21:51kids from being addicted to drugs

21:53[clears throat] and etc. So,

21:55>> Chief, I'm not questioning or

21:57challenging or disagreeing with what the

22:00purpose of this is. I'm asking about

22:03financial information

22:05>> because we're going to transfer $153,000

22:07that the city has been doing, right? The

22:11city has been

22:12>> No, the city hasn't has never cut the

22:14checks.

22:15>> No, we we cut the checks last year. This

22:17was Coast Coastline EAP.

22:20>> It's a It's a new company. They changed

22:21their name,

22:24>> but we cut the check to who?

22:27>> Last year, I believe it was Coastline

22:29EAP.

22:30>> Okay. They are now C3 well-being.

22:32>> This year it's now it's going to be C3.

22:34>> It's Coastline is changing

22:36>> same place, different number,

22:37[clears throat]

22:37>> same company, different name. They've

22:40either been acquired by Coastline or

22:42Coastline was acquired by C3 wellbeing.

22:45>> Okay. So, you do have

22:49um you do have information as to who the

22:53C3 is and who we're going to be sending

22:55153 grand to.

22:56>> Correct.

22:57>> Okay. Yes. They're registered non 501c3

23:00in the state of Rhode Island. Okay.

23:02Designated by the federal government.

23:05>> Okay.

23:06It talks about um

23:09school or schools have an embedded

23:14specialty trained student assistant

23:17counselor.

23:18Who is that for war? Who is that person?

23:22>> I don't know who that is individually.

23:24I don't

23:26This program is exclusively run by the

23:28school department.

23:32>> I'm looking at the um information that's

23:36provided here on our package and it says

23:38the program embeds a specially trained

23:41student assistant counselor within each

23:45participating school. This enables early

23:48identification and intervention for risk

23:50related to alcohol and other substance

23:52use including etc etc etc. So,

23:58what schools in Warick benefits from

24:03this program? And I I I probably

24:06director probably putting you on the

24:07spot, but I see um the vice chair of the

24:10school committee um she raised her hand.

24:12I assume that you

24:14>> Yeah, it's my understanding it's junior

24:16and high schools.

24:18>> Excuse me. No, no, no, no. That doesn't

24:20work this way. If somebody wants to

24:22speak, please come down to the mic. Um

24:24Yes, please. Would you come down? Thank

24:26you.

24:38>> And just identify yourself for the

24:40record, please.

24:41>> Good evening, Mr. Latter. It's Leah

24:43Hazelwood,

24:44uh, vice chair of the War School

24:46Committee.

24:47>> Okay. Um, thank you for for being here

24:49and thank you for coming down. Um, so

24:54you heard my question. What what schools

24:56in Warick um are benefiting with this

24:59program and who do we have? Who does the

25:04school department have or these schools?

25:06That is um the specially trained student

25:10assistant counselor.

25:11>> The student assistance counselors,

25:13there's four of them. I know the one at

25:16Pilgrim uh but I don't know the others.

25:18I do meet with them once a month at the

25:21war collaborative

25:23uh where we get together and we discuss

25:26what's happening at Windman Vets Pilgrim

25:30and Tollgate.

25:35>> Okay. So, we have four

25:37>> four trained student assistant

25:39counselors.

25:49It also states and forgive me for my

25:53lack of

25:54>> information on this. I'm going by what

25:56we have been provided which has been a

25:59big help by the way. Um

26:02it also states that there are war out of

26:06the war students. How many of the 5516

26:10students that are served in this program

26:13are Warick students?

26:16>> They're all Warick students.

26:17>> They're all war 5516 are all Warick

26:19students.

26:19>> Of the of the ones that are serviced, it

26:23is offered to all Warwick students at

26:26those schools. It's available to all of

26:29them.

26:31>> Okay? Because again, I'm just going by

26:34this brochure we have. It says 5,516

26:37students served in student assistance

26:39programs.

26:41>> I'm only speaking about WOW. I don't

26:44know about statewide. I'm saying Wick

26:47students at all those schools, middle

26:50school and high school. It is available

26:53to all of them.

26:55>> Okay? should they need it.

26:58>> So

26:59any student that qualifies or needs this

27:03in work is able to get it.

27:05>> Absolutely.

27:06>> Okay.

27:09>> Is that all chair?

27:10>> Um no.

27:15Well, this could be for either you or

27:17finance director. Either one. Does the

27:20city get a financial report

27:23as far as um how this $152,640

27:28is spent or is it at their discretion?

27:35>> We pay for this service just as a flat

27:37fee and

27:38>> Okay,

27:38>> that's it. I I there might be reporting

27:40that goes to the the counseling service,

27:43but

27:50>> okay, the important thing that or one of

27:53the important things that you provided

27:56with me is this this is a state program.

27:59So this is backed up by the state.

28:05Okay.

28:13Okay. Any questions from members of the

28:15committee? Councilman Nappa, please.

28:18>> Just a just to follow up on that last

28:19thought. My understanding this is not a

28:22state run or state program. It's

28:24statemandated, but it's not governed by

28:27the state. Is that correct?

28:28>> It is mandated and not funded or managed

28:31by that I'm aware of, but yeah.

28:33>> All right. So, it's not actually a state

28:34program quoteunquote. just mandated by

28:36it's an unfunded man one of the many

28:38unfunded mandates that have come down

28:39the

28:39>> pipel and the budget commission thought

28:42that this was a good way to fund it and

28:43I agreed

28:44>> so even if we didn't like the financials

28:47or the t- sheets or whatever the

28:49underlying financials are of this

28:51company we have no choice they could be

28:52in receiverhip we'd still have to do

28:53this because it's mandated by this by

28:55ride

28:56>> right I I mean if we don't use the

28:58opiate funding the school department

29:00will need to find another way to pay for

29:01the program

29:02>> ultimately comes out of tax dollars

29:04anyway so

29:04>> it's alreadyed started

29:06>> illogical to not use the opiate money.

29:09>> I mean, we could figure out some other

29:12way maybe, but it seems like a good use

29:14of this money

29:15>> to me.

29:16>> Thank you.

29:25>> Thank you, Miss Hazelwood.

29:27Thank you. Um, any questions from

29:31members of the committee? Any other

29:32questions? Any questions from members of

29:34the council? Do we have any questions

29:37from members of the council? Are

29:39[clears throat] there any questions from

29:40members of the public? Do we have any

29:42questions from members of the public?

29:45Please

29:53>> just identify yourself for the record.

29:58>> You're not alone.

30:01>> Hi. Darlene Nekco, Ward 7.

30:05I've been teaching 39 years now in

30:07Warwick. I started at Winman in 1990 and

30:11we've had student assistance counselors

30:13uh pretty much all those times. So this

30:16um as Miss Proger said um the budget

30:20commission

30:22um one of the only findings it had and

30:25only suggestions it had was to use uh

30:29this opioid money to fund the um student

30:33assistance counselors. They are

30:35independent

30:37um but they work in the schools and they

30:40do great work with our kids. And so I

30:43would urge you to fund uh this program

30:48using the opioid money as the budget

30:50commission had suggested. Thank you.

30:54>> Thank you. And again, I'll reiterate, I

30:57am not questioning or challenging the

31:00need or the benefit of the program.

31:05I'm asking financial questions when

31:08we're moving $153,000

31:10of taxpayer money to an agency that I

31:13don't know anything or very little about

31:16the program. Great program and I'm I'm

31:18happy that it's working so well.

31:21Any other questions from members of the

31:23public?

31:26Okay, moving on to item number two, 2027

31:31182 found on page six, purchase chassis

31:36wash system.

31:46Good evening, Chris Moretti. public

31:47works. Public works is requesting

31:49permission to piggyback uh MPA through

31:52the um state of Rhode Island uh DOT

31:56department uh to purchase a truck

31:58chassis wash system. Essentially, this

32:00is something that um is on the ground

32:03and it will wash the underside of our

32:06larger trucks um you know, particularly

32:09in the winter months gets all the salt

32:10and um to extend the integrity of the

32:14chassis itself because when all the the

32:18road dust and salt and other um things

32:23are on the chassis, it eats away at the

32:25steel and then compromises the chassis.

32:27So, this was part of the um

32:32capital budget for fiscal year 27 that

32:34was approved. We are asking for $124,950

32:38from from those capital funds, excuse

32:41me, [clears throat] and then another

32:42$9,466

32:45for if we need to purchase two

32:47additional totes um of the the chassis

32:50wash solution. So, for we are requesting

32:53for a total of $134,416

32:57including freight. Um, and it will be a

33:01one-year award from date of award until

33:03June 14th of 27.

33:08>> Welcome back, Christie.

33:10>> Thank you.

33:11>> Um, so I I seem to recall a very lengthy

33:15conversation we had. Um, I don't think

33:17it was that long ago. And if I remember

33:20correctly, we had already purchased a

33:23piece of equipment to do that very

33:26thing. What happened to that?

33:29>> I don't have a recollection of

33:31purchasing anything like that.

33:32>> I thought we had purchased um an item

33:36that could roll underneath the trucks.

33:38It was a washer kind of thing to wash

33:42the underneath of the vehicles from salt

33:45and dirt and whatever. I've got to be

33:47honest, I don't recall that.

33:50>> Okay.

33:52I know it goes back quite some time.

33:57This equipment that you're talking about

34:00purchasing now,

34:02is this a fixed piece of equipment in

34:04one station?

34:07>> So, um to yes, to some degree. Um it

34:10will actually we'll probably we do have

34:12a wash rack but that is more for um it's

34:15like a pressure washer for the outside

34:17but getting underneath the vehicles is

34:19very difficult. So this will be placed

34:21somewhere near that wash rack where the

34:23vehicles can drive over it. So would we

34:25move it? Probably not. Um you know on a

34:28regular basis it would have to be piped

34:32in. I would I Eric might have a little

34:34more information on the the particulars

34:36of it.

34:38>> Yeah. Eric Rose public works. It would

34:40be a stationary unit because you there

34:42is a lot of infrastructure associated

34:43with it. We'd have to plum it

34:45accordingly. There have to be electrical

34:46that goes to it. So yeah, it would be a

34:48a standalone

34:50um but it would be in the location of

34:52our existing pressure washer because

34:54that's where the current electricity and

34:55water go to. So but it would be the kind

34:58of um it would be able to service every

35:02one of our vehicles, even the trash

35:04trucks, back hose, loaders, everything.

35:06And that's why it's nice because you

35:08can't roll something like that into your

35:10standard car wash. And even with our

35:12pressure wash, you can't get underneath.

35:15Um, and that's where a lot of the, you

35:17know, that's where a lot of the erosion

35:19happens. You know, salt gets under

35:20there. When our trash trucks go up to

35:22the landfill on rainy days, they are

35:25tires deep in mud as they're driving out

35:28to dump. So, when they come back, they

35:30stay like that because there's no way.

35:32Our guys do the best to clean them from

35:33the outside, but you really can't get

35:35underneath. So, this is a a preventive

35:37maintenance measure that we've been

35:38wanting to do for a long time. It'll

35:41extend the life of our fleet and um and

35:44yeah, to answer your question

35:46specifically, it will be in a stationary

35:48location somewhere where vehicles can

35:50easily drive over it, but it won't be uh

35:52it won't impede other operations.

35:55>> And where will that location be?

35:58>> It'll be right it'll be in the vicinity

36:00of the of the existing wash rack. So

36:03right when you drive in the gate, our

36:05wash rack is right in front. But we'll

36:07have to figure out the best location

36:09because the the salt shed is also in

36:12that kind of similar path. So we'll have

36:14to figure out the best way to configure

36:16it where we can drive through and not

36:17interrupt those operations. But once

36:20this is approved, we can we can kind of

36:22tighten up all those details.

36:25>> Eric, where's the wash rack?

36:28>> I'm sorry.

36:28>> Where is the wash rack? Right when you

36:30drive right when you drive through the

36:32gates at public works.

36:33>> Okay.

36:34>> Right. Right in front of you, there's a

36:35little brick building. That's that's

36:37where and it's I say wash rack. It's

36:39just a pressure washer.

36:42So, is there a plan in place that

36:44[clears throat] will um rotate these

36:46vehicles all of these vehicles that you

36:48mentioned over this wash rack thing? Is

36:53there a plan in place to rotate it or is

36:55it going to be um first come first

36:57serve? Is it going to be when you happen

36:58to be in the neighborhood um before a

37:01run, after a run, whatever, coming back

37:03from the dump? What what policy is going

37:07to be put in place that will take full

37:10advantage of this expenditure, which I

37:14don't disagree with you. Um

37:16conceptually, I think it's it's a it's a

37:18very good idea in protecting the

37:20underneath, etc. But my concern is how

37:23are you going to make this work? How are

37:25you going to get these vehicles over

37:26there? What is going to is it going to

37:28be okay well this guy goes there

37:29tomorrow and you know they bring that

37:31vehicle in maybe next week. Is there a

37:33plan in place that's going to be

37:36servicing this and monitoring it?

37:39>> Yeah, absolutely. I mean as it is now

37:41all the all the sanitation drivers wash

37:44down their vehicles at the end of every

37:46day. And with the pressure washer doing

37:49that that whole process takes 15 20

37:52minutes. They'll be able to do that in a

37:56minute now. So they'll roll into the

37:58yard. They'll go over this unit and it's

38:00not just the undercarriage. It has bars

38:02that go up. We'll spray the side and get

38:04the wheel wells as well. So essentially

38:06it'll do everything that they do with

38:08the pressure washer except it'll take a

38:10minute instead of 20 minutes or even a

38:12half an hour. So they'll roll through,

38:14they'll do that, they'll be done with

38:15that, they'll go do their other PMS like

38:17grease the arm. Um, and then we'll roll

38:20through our sanders, you know, after

38:23they go out and, you know, treat a

38:25storm, they can go through this. Um, but

38:28more specifically at the end of the

38:30season cuz our sanders sit for the most

38:33part after the winter season and we do

38:35the best we can, but with a unit like

38:38this, um, you know, we can we can get

38:41them cleaned out and and rinsed and then

38:43they don't sit all summer long and and

38:46you know, corrode. And it'll also be

38:49able to service fire apparatus. um which

38:52you know I'm sure they do a good job

38:54washing that now but even that I got

38:56imagine it's tough for them to get

38:57underneath those vehicles. This will

38:59allow them to roll into the yard and

39:01just drive right over it and then

39:02they've cleaned the undercarriage of all

39:04the fire apparatus.

39:06Director, I think you just brought up a

39:11point and I'm going to ask um the um

39:14deputy fire chief that washer that I was

39:18just referring to and asked um Christie

39:21about, was that washer something we

39:23approved for the fire department several

39:25years back.

39:34Jason, I'm now assistant chief of the

39:35fire department. I don't have any

39:37recollection of a pressure washer or an

39:38undercarriage washer since I've been the

39:40assistant chief.

39:41>> So, I don't know how many years back it

39:42would go, but it's beyond my time,

39:45>> which would probably be beyond Chief

39:47Mcichel's time also.

39:48>> Yeah. Interesting.

39:49>> Okay,

39:52>> Eric. Um, so this washer, is this

39:56something that the fire department,

39:58because you know, we're talking in many

40:00cases, we're talking a million-dollar

40:01piece of equipment here, and those

40:04trucks have the same problems with rock

40:06and salt, etc. Are their vehicles going

40:10to be able to make use of this washer as

40:12well?

40:12>> Absolutely.

40:14>> Okay.

40:16So then the fire department is going to

40:17have to work out a schedule on how

40:19they're going to get these vehicles over

40:20here to make maximum use of this

40:23equipment, right?

40:24>> Yeah. Or it just becomes part of the the

40:27preventive maintenance that we perform

40:29on those vehicles when we have them.

40:32>> Are you or do you know of any other

40:34cities or towns in New England? Um

40:38obviously Florida, they don't need this,

40:40but in New England that um use this

40:43equipment. the um there are I believe

40:47there are there's at least one in Rhode

40:49Island. I want to say it's Cumberland,

40:50but I'm not 100% sure. But that um yes,

40:56there there this product is is readily

40:59available and used throughout New

41:01England and I know that at least one

41:03municipality in Rhode Island, I think

41:04it's Cumberland.

41:07Have you gotten any information from any

41:09of these municipalities that are using

41:12this as to their satisfaction or

41:15dissatisfaction with it?

41:17>> Uh, early on in the process, I spoke to

41:20someone in Cumberland and they indicated

41:22that the vendor had done a great job,

41:23was very responsive. Um, they they had

41:28just started their program. I think

41:30they've had it for two years now. So,

41:31it's not like they've been running it

41:32for a long time, but they had no they

41:34had no issues with the with this vendor

41:38um with regard to you know the

41:40procurement and establishing you know

41:43protocols and maintenance and those

41:45types of things. So,

41:48Coventry sorry it was a C.

41:52>> And

41:54what is the warranty on this equipment?

41:57Uh I don't have that information in

41:58front of me.

41:59>> Christie,

42:02>> um

42:06>> I am not uh obviously DOT also uses this

42:10um

42:12this unit.

42:15I I don't we can certainly get that

42:17information.

42:21So, we don't you don't know if there's a

42:25warranty on this vehicle or what it is.

42:28>> It's a It's a wash system. It's what?

42:30Please. I'm sorry. The

42:32>> the wash system.

42:33>> Um

42:38not sure if it says it in the state uh

42:41paperwork.

42:46We can get that information to you. I

42:48don't have it right now.

43:01So, I know the answer is going to be

43:03that I should have asked earlier. My

43:05answer is I think this is something that

43:08is important for us to know before we

43:11approve $134,000 purchase of equipment

43:14what the warranty is. Now, one might

43:18say, "Well, what difference does it make

43:19if it's a year or two years or

43:21whatever?" Um, [snorts] the point is

43:23it's something that we should be privy

43:25to, I think, before we vote on this. Um,

43:29I'm before I do anything with this, I'm

43:32going to open it up for questions from

43:33members of the committee. Councilman

43:35Napa,

43:38>> director, once this gets delivered, is

43:40it the installation, electrical work,

43:41plumbing, and everything, that's

43:42something we can do inhouse with our own

43:44people, or is that going to be an

43:45additional cost to have an outside

43:47company come in?

43:48>> We should be able to do most of it

43:50in-house, but there is a chance that

43:52some of the more complicated electrical

43:53we'd have to have our on call electrical

43:56people assist with. Um,

44:00but like with the site work, we'd be

44:02able to do any kind of trenching. uh

44:05putting down conduit, anything like that

44:06we can do in house. It would be more,

44:09you know, anything that

44:12like Yeah, we would probably need a

44:14little bit of outside help if we got the

44:16electrical.

44:18>> Is this Does this run off of more than

44:20210? I mean 220.

44:22>> No, I don't think so.

44:23>> Okay,

44:25that's all I have.

44:28>> Counciloman Mutoo.

44:30>> Thank you. My first question is to

44:32Council Napper. Are you volunteering to

44:34do electrical work? Okay, just checking.

44:38Uh so with this system, you mentioned a

44:41couple of efficiencies and uh life

44:44extending for the 135,000.

44:48One of them was um operational

44:51efficiencies, which is going down from

44:53an average of 30 minutes to one minute.

44:56And the other 29 minutes would be used

45:00for other maintenance to the the truck.

45:03[clears throat]

45:04>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they they they stay

45:06pretty busy, you know. Um there's still

45:09things that this wouldn't get to.

45:10There's there's like a trap in the side

45:12that they have to clean out manually.

45:13So, they would use the regular pressure

45:15wash for that. Then they have to grease

45:17the arms, which they do at a different

45:19location at public works. So, there's

45:21there's other preventive maintenance

45:23that they can be doing. Um, you know,

45:26one of the benefits is this. On on

45:27nights where they run late, they might

45:29skip preventive maintenance. This would

45:31allow them to do that even if they're

45:33short on time, which would be

45:35beneficial, obviously.

45:37>> Great. Uh, the second item, which really

45:40caught my attention, was extending the

45:42life of these vehicles. So, right now in

45:44our capital budget, we have anywhere

45:46between three, five, and sevenyear

45:49replacement plans. Do you have any

45:51information on how long uh with this

45:54type of maintenance that we would uh

45:57extend the life of of our vehicles?

46:00>> Um, no. And it wouldn't be I've been

46:03talking a lot about sanitation. It

46:04wouldn't be sanitation. You know, those

46:06vehicles have other issues before

46:08corrosion. It would be more like the

46:10sanders that we use, the vehicles that

46:12are 15 or 20 years old. you know, if we

46:15can get an extra, you know, five or

46:17seven years out of those, um, because a

46:20lot of them right now, um, you know,

46:23they're corroded to the point where you

46:25can see through them at some, you know,

46:28I mean, some of them we we just place

46:30the sander in the back, so it's not that

46:32big of a deal, but, you know, I mean, it

46:34certainly cuts into their useful life.

46:37Um, but to have a specific number, no, I

46:40don't have that. But it's safe to say

46:42that this type of maintenance will

46:44extend the life of vehicle. And are you

46:47going to be tracking that?

46:49>> Yeah, I mean, you know, we we can track

46:52it in the sense of, you know, how

46:54frequently we come to you. Um, but yeah,

46:57we would we're definitely going to have

46:58a program for that. Um, though, you

47:02know, the vehicles we come to you now, I

47:04mean, we were I was here last month

47:06talking about a vehicle that was 31

47:08years old. Um, so we do our best to get

47:11the most out of our our fleet in in

47:13general. So, but absolutely we can track

47:16it.

47:17>> Great. One last question on this

47:19particular unit. Do we have the skill

47:21set inhouse to maintain it?

47:24>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, most of the mechanicals

47:26are pretty simple. You know, like

47:28Councilman Napa indicated, setting it up

47:30initially will require some expertise,

47:32but after that, it's, you know, it's

47:34just pumps and and very simple

47:37mechanicals that we can easily handle in

47:39house.

47:44>> Director, does this equipment is it

47:47placed on any type of a cement pad or um

47:52what where is this what is this going to

47:54be installed on? It doesn't necessarily

47:56have to be on a pad, but we probably

47:59would install a concrete pad. Um, it's

48:03uh just for the sake of having making

48:05sure that it's level and it would

48:07probably be easier to plum everything

48:08that way. But um but other than that,

48:12it's it's

48:14I mean, it almost looks like uh a

48:17standalone car lift, right, that you

48:20kind of drive over and with the bars up

48:22on the side. So, okay.

48:23>> It's not there's not a lot of extensive

48:26structure to it.

48:29>> And this is something that just stays

48:31outside year round.

48:32>> Yeah.

48:34Yeah.

48:36>> Does it require

48:38um any type of protection from the

48:41weather?

48:41>> No.

48:42>> Cover or canopy, anything like that?

48:45>> No.

48:46>> No.

48:51>> Okay. Any questions from members of the

48:54council? Any questions from members of

48:57the council? You have any questions from

48:59members of the public? Are there any

49:02questions from members of the public?

49:05Hearing none. Thank you, director.

49:07Moving on to item number three found on

49:10page 13, traffic, street, and pole

49:12maintenance and repairs.

49:16Christy Moretti public works department

49:18received four bids for traffic street

49:21pole and pole light maintenance and

49:22repairs. We are requesting to award the

49:25bid to Argent engineering constructors

49:27and K electric in the amount of $96,750

49:30for a one-year period October 2526 to

49:34October 2427.

49:41>> Um

49:42Chrissy, I'm going to jump back for a

49:44minute. um at some point before we

49:48finish up business tonight. Could you

49:50and that equipment?

49:52>> Yeah, I was looking for the bid page.

49:54>> Okay. Um,

49:58so I'm looking at

50:00at these bids [clears throat] and

50:04one of the things that jumps out at me

50:06is Odden Engineering and they have a

50:12cost for eight hour day to useund 100

50:16foot um, lift truck and that price is

50:19$11,500.

50:21Is that a typo?

50:23I don't believe so. It wasn't initialed

50:26or anything

50:28>> because the number is four times as much

50:30as anyone else. K Electric is 3,000.

50:34Rise is 3,300.

50:37A&J electric is 2750.

50:42So something seems really out of whack.

50:46>> So that's not that's not something that

50:48we typically use. um that particular

50:51piece of equipment,

50:53>> but that doesn't mean you won't use it.

50:56>> Like the copier.

50:58>> Oh, yeah. Okay. Francis Francis said,

51:01and it looks like it the copier.

51:04>> I think it should be 1500

51:07>> on my copy. It probably looks the same

51:08as yours.

51:09>> Yeah, mine um is showing 11,500. So, I I

51:13need to know.

51:17So

51:21[clears throat]

51:24>> all the uh bid tabulations are online.

51:26So if you give me one second.

51:33>> I know I just heard you say the

51:35calculations are online. This is

51:37something that should have been

51:38questioned and

51:40>> certified before I came here. So I'm not

51:42going online to look for it. And you

51:44can't go online right now, Francis

51:46Gomez, director, because our um website

51:48has been updated and most of our um

51:52departmental websites are under

51:54construction. Unfortunately, all I can

51:56do is post bids right now, so it's not

51:59on there. Um it just looks to me by the

52:02um I can't verify it either because I

52:04don't have the actual thing in front of

52:06me, but it does look like a um copier

52:10thing, but

52:11>> okay. People are saying there's 11, so I

52:13can't verify it right now.

52:15>> I'm not I'm not going to be going by. It

52:17looks like and it might and you know,

52:19I'm not criticizing anyone, but what my

52:22sheet says is 11,500.

52:24I'm going to move the whole list until

52:26the September

52:32the September I'm sorry, the October 5th

52:34meeting so we can get clarification on

52:37what the number is. I'm not going to be

52:39voting on something that um we're not

52:41clear on. So that's a motion. I make a

52:44motion to hold this until October 5th.

52:47Councilman N. We have a second from

52:49Council Mudo. Councilman Nappa.

52:54>> Need a MO.

52:54>> Oh, okay. Yeah. So, we have a motion. We

52:56have a second. Any further discussion?

52:58All in favor? I. Thank you. And we will

53:02put a PCR on this.

53:13So

53:15bid number 2027159

53:18has now become PCR101-26

53:22and the motion was to hold until

53:26September 5th. I'm sorry, October 5th.

53:38All right. Item number four, 2027 183

53:42green distribution solutions found on

53:45page 23.

53:48>> Uh Chrissy Moretti again for public

53:50works. Uh this request is to award to um

53:53Northeast Icing Northeast Deicing

53:56Solutions for a brine distribution

53:59system in the amount of $92,475.20.

54:0220 cents. So, this system will be

54:06installed on a couple of our dump

54:07trucks. Uh where this quote is for two

54:10systems. They would be installed on our

54:12dump trucks, two of our dump trucks. And

54:15um this is this is like the same

54:19type of well, it's the same thing as

54:21what uh DOT does on some of their major

54:24roadways. Um I know I've seen it on Wish

54:26Road over near Sandy Lane where it's

54:28like the looks like there's white lines.

54:30So that's the brine. Um, so we're

54:34requesting to buy two of these systems

54:35for two of our dump trucks. And we will

54:38use these particularly on those

54:40hightraic areas that that way the salt

54:42will will stay on the roadway instead of

54:45being pushed aside by the traffic into

54:47the gutter. Um, so it'll probably be uh

54:50primarily used on Jefferson Boulevard,

54:52Sandy Lane, um, to Road

54:56in particular. Anyway,

55:00>> yeah, Christie, this is um pretty

55:02interesting concept. Um so you mentioned

55:06there are other communities that are

55:07using this.

55:10>> Uh DOT uses it.

55:12>> It's what please?

55:12>> DOT.

55:13>> DOT,

55:14>> right? Yes, they use it.

55:16>> And have has anyone had any conversation

55:18with DOT as to um their satisfaction

55:21with this and how it's working for them?

55:25>> We have not.

55:28Okay.

55:29Um,

55:31>> excuse me, Eric has. He didn't share

55:34that information.

55:34>> That's why you're a team.

55:36>> Yeah. Um,

55:38DOT has been doing using it for a couple

55:40years and when I was in Newport,

55:43Middletown, Rhode Island um was using it

55:46and that was 12 or 15 years ago and they

55:51have had an extreme amount of success

55:53with it. The benefit

55:56the benefit of using brine versus salt

55:58is, you know, anyone that that sees salt

56:00on the street, it immediately gets

56:02broadcast to the side of the road, brine

56:05will go down and it'll stay in place for

56:08um I think it's up to 15 or 24 hours

56:13after application, which will allow us

56:15to pre-treat roads on regular time

56:18instead of having guys come in on

56:20overtime to do it. It'll be a

56:21significant cost savings. Um,

56:25and it also just improves the quality.

56:28Um, you don't have to you don't have to

56:30time the storm correctly, you know, or

56:32perfectly. You know, you want to

56:34pre-treat with salt, you know, within

56:37two hours of the storm starting. That

56:40that window expands, you know, 10 times

56:43with with brine. Um, and the the units

56:48that we would be getting, they're

56:49modular kind of skidmounted units, so

56:51they would slide right into the back of

56:53the existing dumps. Um, and then it gets

56:56filled and then there's a spray bar

56:58mounted on the back of them. And so that

57:00spray bar is controlled inside the

57:02vehicle so you can, you know, determine

57:04exactly come to an intersection, shuts

57:07off, you go through the intersection,

57:09comes back on. So you're not just like

57:11salt a lot of times just keeps spinning.

57:14Um, so it would really improve, it would

57:18be a cost-saving, long-term cost-saving

57:20measure, but also improve our operation

57:23in general when it comes to, you know,

57:25treating snow and ice.

57:28>> Eric, what's the um the cost comparative

57:32between

57:34salt versus this right here? This

57:39material-wise, this would represent uh a

57:43cost savings of probably about 20%.

57:46Um you don't have to use as much salt

57:50and you do use the same salt and that's

57:53part of what the unit is. You know, you

57:55put the salt in and then you put the

57:57water and there's all kind of gauges

57:59that indicate what your concentration is

58:02so you have the proper, you know, you

58:04have the proper concentration of salt.

58:06And so when you load up the vehicles,

58:09um, but all of that is automated. And so

58:12again, it's they try and make it as

58:15idiot proof as possible, which is

58:17perfect for us.

58:21Um,

58:24are there any other costs involved in

58:30this particular

58:32system, these two items? Are there any

58:34additional costs involved that we're

58:35going to have to uh pay for? You're

58:38going to have to come back to us for

58:39well, we need this bracket and we need

58:41that and whatever. We need something to

58:42lift it up there.

58:43>> Not as far as a system, but similar to

58:45Councilman Napa's question with regard

58:47to the um the wash unit, uh there will

58:51be electrical and plumbing associated

58:54with this as well. Um and so some of

58:57that might have to go outside.

59:02This says that it comes it's a

59:045,000galon vertical tank.

59:09Do they provide you with any indication

59:12as to what the average

59:15miles or coverage of road is with 5,000

59:19gallons?

59:20>> Yes.

59:23And I don't have that. I have an email

59:25that has all that information on it and

59:27I can't remember it off the top of my

59:28head.

59:30But

59:32I asked that specific question because I

59:34want that's that question is why we're

59:37getting two units and not just one

59:40because with the two trucks we would be

59:43able to get full coverage whereas with

59:45one we wouldn't be able to get that same

59:48kind of coverage. So I have that

59:49information I just don't have the

59:50specifics with me right now. [snorts]

59:53So, Eric, I'm not I'm not going to move

59:56to hold on this item because you don't

59:58have that. Um, but what I would just

1:00:01remind all department heads about again

1:00:04is to put this information into our

1:00:08packets, then we don't have to get into

1:00:10this stuff on the floor. I mean, to me,

1:00:13if I'm going to sit here and I'm going

1:00:14to analyze, is it better to go with sand

1:00:16and salt or is it better to go with

1:00:18this? We got a 5,000galon tank. I want

1:00:20to know how many miles are we getting

1:00:22out of this thing. I mean, I think these

1:00:24are are things that my colleagues are

1:00:26also interested in knowing when we're

1:00:28trying to make financial decisions. Um,

1:00:31I think this is a good idea. I'm going

1:00:33to support it. Um, but I would like you

1:00:37to get me that information. Maybe

1:00:39Christy has it right now.

1:00:43>> Yeah. So, um,

1:00:49what is this related to?

1:00:53>> Oh, okay. Yeah. So, one truck loaded

1:00:57should be able to cover 18 lane miles

1:01:01for a pre-treatment.

1:01:03>> I'm sorry. 18 miles for what?

1:01:04>> 18 lane miles. So essentially nine miles

1:01:08of a a standard two-lane road

1:01:11>> with 5,000 gallons.

1:01:13>> No. Um this is with

1:01:18>> uh 7 750 gallons because that's what's

1:01:21that's what would be on the back of the

1:01:23truck.

1:01:25>> So times six pro approximately between

1:01:2850 and 60 miles of road with 5,000

1:01:30gallons.

1:01:31>> Right. And that's assuming that you know

1:01:34that that's assuming that that is

1:01:36static. You are still making the mix as

1:01:39you're using it. So

1:01:42>> you can get more of that

1:01:44>> this this mix. Where is this going to be

1:01:47stored? And what are you going to

1:01:49require for inventory? And

1:01:52>> it's just salt and water.

1:01:53>> It's what?

1:01:54>> It's just salt and water.

1:01:56>> Okay. But you got to store somewhere,

1:01:58right?

1:01:58>> Yeah. Where we have all the salt now.

1:02:00>> Cool. Okay.

1:02:02Now, with this with these two trucks,

1:02:07is it fair to to to think that um you're

1:02:12going to be able to

1:02:15cut back on your salt requirement?

1:02:18>> It's possible.

1:02:19>> Okay.

1:02:20and the storage of having to store this

1:02:25sand and salt.

1:02:27I would think it's going to be more

1:02:29expensive than just storing salt

1:02:32somewhere and we don't have to store

1:02:33water, right? So, there's there'd be a

1:02:35savings in that end as well.

1:02:38>> Yeah, I think we're going to use less

1:02:40salt, but it's the same salt we're

1:02:42talking about.

1:02:44>> Okay.

1:02:50Um,

1:02:52this didn't go off for bid, right?

1:02:55>> No.

1:02:55>> Why?

1:02:57>> Uh, we're using the the state MPA. Ry

1:03:01dot has already

1:03:03source well, but because um this this is

1:03:08DOT, right?

1:03:09>> So, this is uh under the source

1:03:11contracts. We we've used it this we've

1:03:13used this particular platform on several

1:03:15other occasions for I actually just

1:03:17bought a Zamboni um last year or so um a

1:03:22few other other items. So we've used

1:03:24this platform before. It's government.

1:03:27It's a government bidding process.

1:03:29>> Okay.

1:03:32Okay. Any questions from members of the

1:03:34committee? Have any questions from

1:03:36members of the committee? Any questions

1:03:37from members of the council?

1:03:42Any questions from members of the

1:03:43public? Do we have any questions from

1:03:46members of the public?

1:03:49Hearing none. Um, thank you both. Moving

1:03:53on to

1:03:56item number five, 2027

1:03:59197 found on page 24. Purchase various

1:04:03police radios and supporting equipment.

1:04:12Evening. Ryan Stormer, major for police

1:04:14department.

1:04:18>> Go ahead, Major.

1:04:19>> The uh police department is requesting

1:04:21authorization under 566 exception notice

1:04:23requirement to purchase 16 Motorola

1:04:26incar radios at a total cost of $72,000.

1:04:29Sorry, $72,84.31

1:04:32from CyberCom Communications located in

1:04:35Warwick. Uh, Cybercom is the only

1:04:37authorized manufacturer representative

1:04:38to provide MPA pricing and is the loan

1:04:41service partner authorized to conduct

1:04:43maintenance of Motorola solutions within

1:04:45the state of Rhode Island. Uh, basically

1:04:46there's three different models of radios

1:04:48that we're requesting going three

1:04:49different types of cars to fulfill

1:04:51various roles depending on the personnel

1:04:52that operate these vehicles. This is

1:04:54part of our yearly replacement program.

1:04:57Uh, some of our older radios need to be

1:04:58replaced and upgraded over the next

1:04:59several years. So, we're incrementally

1:05:01rolling these out rather than paying

1:05:02paying for a large upgrade all at once.

1:05:05Another reason is uh FBI sie just

1:05:07security requirements. CEUS stands for

1:05:10criminal justice information services

1:05:11and establishing standards of protecting

1:05:13sensitive criminal invest uh

1:05:15information. And these radios have the

1:05:17security and encryption capabilities

1:05:19that we need to move forward uh to meet

1:05:21those requirements. And I just want to

1:05:23emphasize that this is this purchase is

1:05:25completely separate from the recently

1:05:27approved communications grant for the

1:05:29statewide interoperable portable radios.

1:05:31This is separate. These are cartocar

1:05:33radios, not the portables. And funding

1:05:36is available through our police

1:05:37communications part uh grant parts fund

1:05:40330-271.

1:05:45>> Uh thank you, major. Um just as a point

1:05:48of clarification, I misspoke when I said

1:05:50it was on page 24. It's actually on 26.

1:05:55That's where it starts.

1:05:57Okay. Um,

1:06:03major, how is this the the new standard

1:06:07that we're speaking to now different

1:06:10from the equipment that you currently

1:06:13have? So, we have roughly five different

1:06:17models of in-car radios throughout our

1:06:19fleet of all the cars. Some of them,

1:06:21older ones, roughly 35 or so, are going

1:06:23to be obsolete next couple years. They

1:06:25can't be upgraded firmware-wise. they're

1:06:27not going to be compatible or compliant

1:06:29with on uh down the pipe regulations

1:06:32more so. So basically what we have to do

1:06:34is annually replace older radios in

1:06:36batches ensuring that they're future

1:06:38proof more or less to meet with CEUS

1:06:40requirements that we know eventually

1:06:42will be mandated.

1:06:49You also state here the department is

1:06:51going to be required to comply

1:06:55when there is no definitive end date. We

1:06:58know it's within the next few years but

1:07:00basically what in a nutshell what that

1:07:01means is that any public agency that

1:07:04uses radio waves to transmit personal

1:07:06information it has to be secured. And

1:07:08right now when we run someone's name,

1:07:10date of birth or various information

1:07:11that's not the public can hear that and

1:07:13that information is broadcast for people

1:07:15to hear. So we the radios that we're

1:07:17currently equipping in our fleet once

1:07:20we're mandated and we're infrastructure

1:07:21is ready to go it will be secured

1:07:25>> but there's no definitive date given

1:07:27>> and even though that this compliance is

1:07:30a few years down the road what you're

1:07:32doing is working towards being fully

1:07:34compliant when the drop dead date gets

1:07:37here.

1:07:38>> Correct. Just it would ease the burden

1:07:40of the sticker shock rather than have to

1:07:41buy hundred and something radios all at

1:07:43once.

1:07:45Major, the the the two remote mount all

1:07:48band mobile radios

1:07:51at $9,04

1:07:53a piece. Why are they so expensive

1:07:56compared to the other radios?

1:07:59>> Right. So, Mr. Chair, you're referencing

1:08:01the Motorola APX8500.

1:08:04Uh, so when I said that it's for various

1:08:05roles, the various vehicles depending on

1:08:07the personnel that are using it, those

1:08:08are basically incident command type

1:08:10radios. So they're a all band radio

1:08:13capable of transmitting across 800

1:08:15megahertz and then UHF range one and

1:08:18two. But basically to to not get

1:08:20technical, an incident commander

1:08:22responds to a scene where there's

1:08:23multiple agencies and that incident

1:08:26commander needs to communicate with a

1:08:27fire department and external police

1:08:29department as well as our own officers.

1:08:31That's what that radio is for.

1:08:34>> And who uses those two radios?

1:08:37>> It would be someone in senior executive

1:08:39level leadership.

1:08:41So those two radios are essentially in

1:08:44the station.

1:08:45>> No, those would be in cars.

1:08:47>> They're what?

1:08:47>> They're in they would be in cars right

1:08:49now. They're we have a few of those

1:08:50radios in our fleet and those are

1:08:52assigned to traffic units. One of those

1:08:54reasons traffic units travel on escorts

1:08:56throughout the state and they go to the

1:08:58veteran cemetery in exit or what if

1:09:00they're doing a traffic escort? They

1:09:02have to communicate with other agencies

1:09:03to coordinate how on the route to you

1:09:06obviously keep things flowing. So they

1:09:08would use that type of radio in that

1:09:09situation to communicate with Cranston

1:09:10or Providence. They can communicate with

1:09:12them. On the current radios that we have

1:09:13in the patrol cars, you can't do that.

1:09:15You can only talk to dispatch.

1:09:17>> Sure. And to to my knowledge, the

1:09:21department has always been very um

1:09:24satisfied with the Motorola products.

1:09:26Right.

1:09:27>> Correct. We've used them for over 20

1:09:28years. Haven't had any problems. It's

1:09:29just gold standard for public safety

1:09:31communications.

1:09:33Um, just a minor point, but next time

1:09:36you're talking to

1:09:39the senior account manager from New

1:09:42England from Motorola,

1:09:45just let them know that we're a city,

1:09:47not a town.

1:09:48>> I I saw that on the on the 566 letter.

1:09:50Yeah, I

1:09:51>> because he call us a town twice.

1:09:53>> I saw that position paper. [laughter]

1:09:55Just I'm not being a stickler for

1:09:58detail, but just saying. Thank you, man.

1:10:01Any questions from members of the

1:10:03committee? Any questions from members of

1:10:05the committee? Any questions from

1:10:07members of the council? Do we have any

1:10:10questions from members of the council?

1:10:12Are there any questions from members of

1:10:13the public? Do we have any questions

1:10:15from members of the public?

1:10:19Hearing none. Thank you, major. We are

1:10:21going to move on to item number six,

1:10:252027119

1:10:28found on page 35. That is vehicle body

1:10:31repair

1:10:33and painting.

1:10:36>> Ryan Sberger, police department.

1:10:40>> Major, before you begin, uh, I'm just

1:10:42going to excuse myself. I have to recuse

1:10:44on this one. I have a close business

1:10:45relationship with one of the appointees,

1:10:47one of the vendors.

1:10:48>> Okay. Duly noted. Um, the record

1:10:51indicates that Councilman Napa will be

1:10:54recusing on this item.

1:10:58Could we assign that a PCR, please?

1:11:00>> Sorry.

1:11:01>> Could we please assign a PCR,

1:11:03>> please?

1:11:08>> PCR102-26.

1:11:12>> 10326.

1:11:15>> Two

1:11:17>> two. Okay. 102.

1:11:20Okay.

1:11:26Um, also in full disclosure and for the

1:11:28record, let the record indicate that um,

1:11:32I have in the past um, done business

1:11:36with

1:11:38affordable auto body. [clears throat]

1:11:40That does not preclude me from making a

1:11:45informed, unbiased decision in this

1:11:49matter. So I will not be recusing.

1:11:55Um,

1:11:59>> major, I I pretty well already know the

1:12:02answer, but I need to ask you for the

1:12:03record. Why is this late coming to us?

1:12:07>> Yes, the previous contract expired on

1:12:09August 22nd, 2026. I can't speak to why

1:12:12it was late. I wasn't in my role at that

1:12:13current time. As soon as it came across

1:12:15my desk, though, I jumped on it.

1:12:16>> Okay,

1:12:16>> that's all I can give you for the

1:12:17answer, sir. That's what I anticipated.

1:12:21Okay.

1:12:23And this number that you have arrived at

1:12:25of 60,000

1:12:27u on what basis have you come up with

1:12:30this number of 60,000 versus 30,000 or

1:12:33versus 80,000?

1:12:35>> I think rough the the number of 60,000

1:12:38was looking at previous years and I I

1:12:40looked at last year's repair bills for

1:12:41class both class A and class B and it

1:12:44came out to 63,943.

1:12:47of that 45,74 was from insurance

1:12:50proceeds, but the 60,000 is it's been

1:12:53hovering around that number. It's a

1:12:54constant. Knock on wood, being

1:12:56optimistic. Hopefully, we don't have to

1:12:57use all of it. Maybe it's a lesser year

1:12:59for accidents, but uh it seems that's

1:13:01that's the mark that we usually hover

1:13:03around.

1:13:03>> Okay.

1:13:06>> Major, what's the difference between

1:13:08class A and class B repair vendors?

1:13:12>> All right. So essentially, uh, class B,

1:13:14they still have to, uh, meet certain

1:13:17requirements. And I know that class B

1:13:19has to have a

1:13:22CL, a clamping system, a welding system,

1:13:24a body spray, public parking, and one

1:13:27out of every five technicians for class

1:13:29B has to be certified in seven various

1:13:32fields of auto mechanics or body repair.

1:13:35uh class A means that all the mechanics

1:13:38there have to have that C seven layers

1:13:41of certification. They have to have a

1:13:44guarantee for the work that is prepared

1:13:46lifetime on structure and they also have

1:13:49to be certified in aluminum and alloy

1:13:52repair as well.

1:13:55Okay.

1:13:56All right. Any questions from the

1:13:59remaining members of the committee?

1:14:03Okay. [laughter] Councilman Mutoo.

1:14:09>> Hello. Uh question for you. Um and this

1:14:12is just sort of a math check for me.

1:14:14What line item is this coming out of the

1:14:17budget? Because the budget line item I'm

1:14:20looking at doesn't have anything in it

1:14:22for this.

1:14:23>> Yes.

1:14:24>> So which which line item from the um

1:14:28from the unit reports would

1:14:29>> are you you're referencing insurance

1:14:30proceeds 76358.

1:14:33the

1:14:35>> because that's the one with nothing in

1:14:36it right now.

1:14:37>> Okay, that is the one.

1:14:38>> Okay. Yes.

1:14:39>> Uh, so currently there's been no no

1:14:40claims right now. We have one pending

1:14:43for anywhere between 20 and $40,000. I

1:14:46don't have the exact and I checked with

1:14:47the fleet manager. I can't give you an

1:14:48exact amount for that claim. It's been

1:14:49processed. We we're in we have not heard

1:14:52back from the insurance, but we know

1:14:53eventually there will be a minimum of

1:14:5420,000 40,000 on the high end placed

1:14:57into that fund once we receive the

1:14:58funds.

1:14:59>> Okay. And that those funds will be used

1:15:03for this correct for this repair.

1:15:05Correct. Okay.

1:15:05>> Good. And the the print is so small it's

1:15:09very difficult to

1:15:10>> that's where the 20,000 comes from

1:15:11though because we know it's going to be

1:15:12at least 20,000.

1:15:13>> Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

1:15:16>> You're welcome.

1:15:16>> Thank you, Councilman. Any other

1:15:18questions from members of the council?

1:15:21We have any questions from members of

1:15:23the council?

1:15:25Okay. Any questions from members of the

1:15:27public? Do we have any questions from

1:15:29members of the public?

1:15:31Hearing none, that concludes our list of

1:15:36>> Could we have a motion, chair?

1:15:38>> I'm sorry. On PCR 102-36.

1:15:42Um, we need a motion.

1:15:44>> Favorable.

1:15:45>> We have a motion for favorable. We have

1:15:47a second by Councilman Mudo.

1:15:49>> Clarification,

1:15:50>> sir.

1:15:50>> You said 36

1:15:53>> 1026.

1:15:54>> Yeah. Second.

1:15:57Okay. So, we have um

1:16:00of the members present.

1:16:03>> Yes.

1:16:04>> Yes.

1:16:05>> Okay. We have three yes and one

1:16:06abstension.

1:16:08Thank you.

1:16:19Councilman Napper,

1:16:24>> just wanted to make sure you didn't

1:16:25forget about us.

1:16:29>> Okay. Um, we've concluded on the U

1:16:3150,000 and over.

1:16:33>> Excuse me, Mr. Chairman. I have the

1:16:36answer to your warranty question

1:16:37>> on the what, please? The warranty

1:16:39question on the the truck wash

1:16:41>> which is

1:16:42>> it is

1:16:46>> there shall be a one-year warranty 100%

1:16:48parts and 100% labor warranty on all

1:16:50items. The warranty will activate when

1:16:52the system is completely functional and

1:16:54without defect.

1:16:56>> I I missed the term that I mean the

1:16:58length.

1:16:59>> I'm sorry.

1:17:00>> One year.

1:17:01>> One year 100% parts and labor and it

1:17:04begins when the system is fully

1:17:06functional. fully functional

1:17:08>> and without defect.

1:17:09>> Cool. Okay. So, when it's up and running

1:17:11at our site, that's when the warranty

1:17:12begins. Correct.

1:17:13>> All right. Thank Thank you for that.

1:17:16>> Okay. Um members of the committee, any

1:17:19items that you wish to have held out?

1:17:23>> Council Napper, anything? Council

1:17:25>> Muto

1:17:292020 Jesus

1:17:31>> 2027

1:17:33155

1:17:45Oh, here we go. Okay. So, Council Mutoo

1:17:49beat me on that one. Okay, that's fine.

1:17:52Okay. All right. Um, I have a few. I

1:17:58have item number eight 2027134

1:18:02found on page 56 150 horsepower Yamaha

1:18:05four-stroke marine outboard.

1:18:08I have item number 9 2027133

1:18:11Milwaukee cordless power tools and

1:18:13accessories found on page 60.

1:18:40Item number 20, it's item number 18,

1:18:432027

1:18:45186, linear system, DIMS, hardware

1:18:48support services.

1:18:51um

1:18:52found on page 96

1:19:04and that's what I have. Anyone from the

1:19:08council have anything that you would

1:19:10wish to have held out? Councilman

1:19:11Dlouise.

1:19:19Yes, same.

1:19:21>> Okay. Um, record indicate that

1:19:23Councilman Dluise had the same item as

1:19:26Councilman Mudo. Anyone from the public?

1:19:28Any members of the public have any item

1:19:31that you wish to have separated from the

1:19:34bid package?

1:19:36Any members of the public have any items

1:19:38you would like separated from the bid

1:19:39package?

1:19:41Hearing none, we will move on to

1:19:45Councilman Mudo. and your item of 2027

1:19:51155.

1:19:52>> Actually, I'll defer to Councilman De

1:19:54Louise.

1:19:56>> Councilman Dlise, you don't even have to

1:19:58put your light on. You got the floor.

1:20:06>> Well,

1:20:07I just don't think it's necessary to

1:20:10have these recycling calendars.

1:20:13Um, I mean, if you want to save some

1:20:15money, it's $46,000.

1:20:18I know my trash pickup is on Monday. I

1:20:22put my barrels out there and they're

1:20:23picked up every week unless there's some

1:20:26kind of blizzard. So, I don't know why

1:20:28we need to spend the 46,000 on these

1:20:31calendars.

1:20:38>> Thank you, M. Councilman Dlouise. That

1:20:40was to the point.

1:20:43That was more of an opinion than a

1:20:44question.

1:20:46>> That was a a point blank statement.

1:20:48Thank you, sir. Council Mudo.

1:20:51>> Thank you.

1:20:51>> Let me see you follow that one up.

1:20:53>> Well, uh my question is uh what type of

1:20:56QC process does the recycling calendars

1:21:00go through?

1:21:01>> It's

1:21:02>> will we make sure that we have the right

1:21:04date?

1:21:04>> July 31st. Yeah. [laughter]

1:21:07>> Exactly. Exactly.

1:21:09>> Yeah. Um but uh to Councilman Douise's

1:21:12uh statement, we did one year several

1:21:15years ago under a former director of

1:21:17public works had decided not to do the

1:21:19calendar and the residents of this city

1:21:22were just about to storm city hall. They

1:21:26were so upset that they were not getting

1:21:28their calendar. And there's a lot of

1:21:29information in there um for for

1:21:31residents and for new residents, too.

1:21:33Um, it tells them, you know, what week

1:21:36their their yard waste pickup is, when

1:21:38all the holidays are, when we delay

1:21:40trash. It has library, senior center,

1:21:43what you can and can't recycle, what we

1:21:45take at the compost facility. So,

1:21:48there's a lot of good information in

1:21:50there. Um, but yeah, we we did try one

1:21:53year to do that and and this city was

1:21:56was going to go down in flames like they

1:21:58were not happy. [laughter]

1:22:07Um, Councilman Dluise, I'll get back to

1:22:09you. Councilman Ricks.

1:22:14>> Thank you, Chairman. I'd like to echo

1:22:16the comments here. Support to the

1:22:18administration on this as well. Strange

1:22:21words coming out of my mouth, I know,

1:22:23but it does happen. Uh so I do remember

1:22:27from some of our colleagues previously

1:22:29on the council about that one year that

1:22:32Warick did not issue a recycling

1:22:34calendar and I think that the value

1:22:37provided to constituents at a rate of

1:22:39about what is it a $150 more or less per

1:22:43household.

1:22:46Uh Warwick has well over 80,000

1:22:48residents. This is $45,000.

1:22:51So if you look at it per individual,

1:22:53it's certainly less than a dollar per

1:22:55individual who uses these calendars

1:22:59and a lot of individuals, it's a lot

1:23:03easier for them to look at the calendar,

1:23:05see the schedule, see that important

1:23:08information

1:23:09and uh yeah, provides value to them.

1:23:12Saves the city a lot of emails, phone

1:23:15calls regarding these simple questions

1:23:18that people are accustomed to looking

1:23:20up. just look at that calendar and uh

1:23:23hey end of the day a lot of people are

1:23:26so accustomed to this calendar that it

1:23:28saves them some money from having to go

1:23:30out and buy a calendar that they might

1:23:33otherwise get. So I think it's a great

1:23:36value. That's all. Thank you.

1:23:38>> Thank you, Councilman D. Louise.

1:23:40>> Um I'd like to retract my previous

1:23:43statement of [laughter]

1:23:45dissatisfaction because I don't want

1:23:47anybody storming city hall. Obviously.

1:23:49[laughter]

1:23:53>> Good decision, Councilman.

1:23:55I I would hate to see all these trash

1:23:57bins stored up in front of your house.

1:24:00[laughter]

1:24:01Um I, as many people here know, I've

1:24:06been known to kick and scream about $20

1:24:09and 20,000 and couple million.

1:24:13This is one item that I um to totally

1:24:17support. This calendar I think is an

1:24:20invaluable tool to a lot of our if not

1:24:24all of our residents here in the city of

1:24:26War and I know oftent times people will

1:24:30refer to it particularly with trash

1:24:33collections etc. Um, I particularly like

1:24:37the idea of the items on that calendar,

1:24:40what you can put in and what you can't

1:24:42because that is a constant problem um

1:24:46for us who are getting the calls from

1:24:49our constituents that something wasn't

1:24:51picked up. But it's also a constant

1:24:54problem for the sanitation workers

1:24:57because there's things they can't pick

1:24:59up if it's put in these bins. And

1:25:02sometimes people get confused and they

1:25:04um they overstack the bins or put things

1:25:07in them they shouldn't. And often times

1:25:09that is the reason, not all the time,

1:25:11but often times that's the reason why

1:25:13these bins weren't picked up. However,

1:25:19in the 14 years I've been here,

1:25:22I'm not sure if I ever seen a calendar

1:25:24come out without a mistake.

1:25:27[clears throat]

1:25:27>> We do it on purpose. It's like where's

1:25:29Waldo? I'm I'm starting I'm starting to

1:25:31think that the proof readers are doing

1:25:33that. Um you know it's this year July

1:25:3731st was omitted.

1:25:39>> I think that was actually our only

1:25:40mistake this year.

1:25:42>> It was what please?

1:25:43>> I think it was our only mistake that was

1:25:45in the calendar this year.

1:25:48>> But I think when we're paying, you know,

1:25:49this kind of money to have whatever we

1:25:52have done, maybe we need to introduce a

1:25:55triple check or a quadruple check. But

1:25:57um I don't remember a calendar ever

1:25:59coming out without a mistake. But either

1:26:01way, I think it's a it's a it's it's a

1:26:03very valuable and a very appreciated

1:26:05tool by all of our residents. Any other

1:26:08qu

1:26:09>> Just one more follow up. Just

1:26:11>> you're not going to retract your other

1:26:13your last statement. I

1:26:14>> No, no, no.

1:26:15>> Okay.

1:26:16>> Um at the end of the year after the

1:26:18calendar has, you know, um expired, can

1:26:23we recycle the recycling calendar?

1:26:25>> Absolutely. Okay. Just want to make

1:26:28sure.

1:26:32Councilman, you're on fire tonight.

1:26:35Okay. Any other questions from members

1:26:37of the council?

1:26:40Sorry about the sun. [laughter] Go

1:26:42ahead, Councilman Got. [clears throat]

1:26:46Just uh one suggestion that I think

1:26:49Aaron uh one of my constituents uh Miss

1:26:51Sheridan has raised in the past just

1:26:53about um

1:26:56uh perhaps dedicating a page or a piece

1:26:58of a page to the available tax

1:27:01exemptions

1:27:03um that are are available to our

1:27:05residents.

1:27:06>> I thought that was already put in um LA

1:27:08this was made a suggestion before but

1:27:11we'll check the calendar for that.

1:27:13>> Thank you. Yeah, I think that's um

1:27:15that's a great idea.

1:27:16>> And I think if you if before you go to

1:27:18print, if you send us all a copy, then

1:27:20we won't have anyone other than

1:27:22ourselves to blame for this year's

1:27:24errors. Thank you,

1:27:26>> Councilman Gibbot. Perhaps before it

1:27:29even goes to print, we could um have a

1:27:32discussion about increasing some of

1:27:34those exemptions.

1:27:37I don't know if we have time for that,

1:27:38but

1:27:39>> okay,

1:27:41now that I got the chief all fired up,

1:27:44[laughter]

1:27:46any other questions from members of the

1:27:49public? Any questions from members of

1:27:51the public? Okay, moving on item to the

1:27:55next item. Item number eight, found on

1:27:56page 56,

1:27:59150 horsepower

1:28:02Yamaha.

1:28:04Assistant

1:28:09Chief Howard from the fire department.

1:28:12>> Chief, these um two engines, right?

1:28:15You're looking for two engines here.

1:28:16>> Correct. Okay.

1:28:18>> Is this price installed on the boat?

1:28:21>> No, this is uh a price just to have them

1:28:24delivered to the city. Uh we already

1:28:26have a current contract with Webster

1:28:27Marine for uh service, maintenance, and

1:28:30installation. So they would that would

1:28:31fall under their uh the installation of

1:28:34the motors would fall under their uh bid

1:28:36contract.

1:28:37>> Okay. So you're not going to have to

1:28:39come back to us for monies too.

1:28:41>> No, we already have an existing bid with

1:28:42with with Webster Marine. I believe it

1:28:44was just awarded in the spring.

1:28:47>> And you said that those are delivered to

1:28:49our designated location.

1:28:51>> Correct.

1:28:52>> That's included in the price.

1:28:54>> Correct. Yeah, because that's another

1:28:55thing that's been aggravating me is some

1:28:57of these crazy, ridiculous delivery fees

1:28:59that we're getting whacked with.

1:29:01>> Yeah, apparently it gets delivered in

1:29:02two parts. The prop gets delivered. You

1:29:06got you got to remember I'm from

1:29:07Pennsylvania, so my my limited knowledge

1:29:10of marine assets. Uh I guess the prop

1:29:13gets delivered after they install the

1:29:14motors. There's a measurement or a

1:29:16dimension that needs to be measured

1:29:18while it's installed, but I already went

1:29:20over it. It all all the delivery costs

1:29:22are included in the bid.

1:29:24>> So the prop gets delivered separate from

1:29:27the engine.

1:29:28>> Yeah. They have to determine the pitch

1:29:29of it I guess once they install it.

1:29:33>> Yeah. I

1:29:34>> pass in the information that I

1:29:36>> I bought a few boards and I bought a few

1:29:37boats and they always came with a prop.

1:29:40That would be like telling me um we're

1:29:42going to deliver you a car but you're

1:29:43not getting the engine till after we

1:29:45deliver the car.

1:29:46>> I guess they try a bunch of different

1:29:47ones.

1:29:47>> Whatever. The props are included in the

1:29:49price of these two outboards. Okay.

1:29:51>> Delivered.

1:29:51>> Them coming down to h put put the prop

1:29:54on is already there.

1:29:57>> Okay.

1:29:57>> Correct.

1:29:58>> So, typically when you buy an outboard,

1:30:00the pitch and all that other stuff, it's

1:30:02already calculated and it's already

1:30:03determined on the prop, but whatever.

1:30:06How old is this boat that we're putting

1:30:08these um

1:30:10engines on?

1:30:13>> Rain two.

1:30:16>> What is it?

1:30:1820 years old.

1:30:20>> It's about 20 years old.

1:30:22>> How much?

1:30:23>> 20 years old.

1:30:24>> I can look it up for you. It would be on

1:30:26my phone.

1:30:26>> That's um It's a rib, right? It's a rib

1:30:29with the tubes and hot bottom and all

1:30:30that stuff.

1:30:31>> It's a Boston whaler, I believe.

1:30:32>> Oh, yeah. Boston Wher unsinkable. You'll

1:30:34have it for another 20 wher. Yeah, sure.

1:30:37No problem.

1:30:37>> Again, not my expertise here.

1:30:40>> Um, who services these outboards and who

1:30:45winterizes them? Webster Marine.

1:30:47>> Okay. They take care of that.

1:30:48>> Yes.

1:30:48>> They're on Is they on West Road?

1:30:50>> They're in Bristol.

1:30:51>> Where?

1:30:51>> Bristol.

1:30:52>> In Bristol. Yeah.

1:30:53>> Okay.

1:30:53>> That's who gets who wins the We go out

1:30:55to bid for that and they get the they

1:30:56have the award the last couple years.

1:31:00>> And these two engines um they're only 10

1:31:03years old. How many hours on those

1:31:05engines?

1:31:06>> That that number I do not know.

1:31:09And it says, "Diagnostics performed by

1:31:13Webster Marine has identified severe

1:31:16internal mechanical issues. What are

1:31:18those internal?"

1:31:20>> I knew you're going to ask, so I had to

1:31:22get it looked up.

1:31:23>> So that's why you got the answer

1:31:24already, right?

1:31:25>> The internal balance.

1:31:26>> Chief, you usually got all the answers.

1:31:28>> Yeah. Well, these this is Marine is not

1:31:30my thing. Uh the from what I understand,

1:31:32the internal balancers are gone.

1:31:34>> The what please?

1:31:35>> Internal balancers. So, it's like a

1:31:37timing chain on a car. They're

1:31:38explaining it. And once that goes, it's

1:31:40a catastrophic failure. He said that we

1:31:42probably can get the rest of the season

1:31:44out of it without catastrophic failure.

1:31:46Uh, and in the beginning of the next

1:31:48season, we'd be really pushing these for

1:31:50the life of the engine or major

1:31:52catastrophic major expenses to repair.

1:31:55Uh and he the recommendation would be do

1:31:57it in the offseason so we don't have to

1:31:58pull them out of the water and then

1:32:00order the motors uh and then take them

1:32:02out of the water for the majority of the

1:32:04season next year trying to get them

1:32:06replaced.

1:32:07>> And they gave you this diagnostic report

1:32:09in writing.

1:32:10>> That was earlier this year. Yeah. In the

1:32:13spring. That's why we put it in this is

1:32:14in the capital budget. So we put it in

1:32:16the capital budget when they made that

1:32:17recommendation back earlier before the

1:32:18budget was

1:32:19>> Yeah. But the diagnostic report is not

1:32:20in the capital budget. They gave you you

1:32:22have the diagnostic report in writing

1:32:24from Webster Marine.

1:32:26>> Yes, I believe so. Y again, I don't deal

1:32:28with that. The other assistant chief

1:32:29who's not here, he's the one that deals

1:32:31specifically with the marine units, but

1:32:32I'm sure he can get a copy of the last

1:32:34time that they uh put eyes on them, what

1:32:36they what the report was.

1:32:38>> And is the department in possession of

1:32:41the maintenance records on these two

1:32:43outboards?

1:32:44>> Sure.

1:32:45>> Okay. Could you send me that diagnostic

1:32:47report as well as the maintenance

1:32:49records? I'll send you whatever we have

1:32:51on these two orders. Y

1:32:57>> and um forgive me if I if I missed it,

1:33:00but when if this is approved, when will

1:33:04delivery be taking place?

1:33:06>> We have to really kind of work that with

1:33:08Webster Marine. Uh Webster Marine

1:33:10doesn't want them sitting around

1:33:12obviously in their warehouse waiting to

1:33:13be installed. So, it really depends on

1:33:15when we pull that boat out of the water

1:33:16for the season. and then they're going

1:33:18to kind of give us a timeline as to when

1:33:20they can get them installed. Uh, but we

1:33:22ultimately would like them installed

1:33:24before we put it back in the water in

1:33:25the spring. So, so these engines are

1:33:28going to be 2026s or 2027s.

1:33:33>> It's a good question.

1:33:34>> I didn't know they even had model years.

1:33:36[snorts]

1:33:36>> Yeah, they do. [laughter] Mine's Mine's

1:33:39a 2007 and it's still running real good.

1:33:42[snorts] It doesn't need to be replaced.

1:33:45Uh, I I guess that would depend on

1:33:49when we order them.

1:33:53So, I would say I mean I would say that

1:33:55book's probably going to come out of the

1:33:58water pretty soon.

1:34:00Uh, I would I'd just be guessing at this

1:34:03point.

1:34:04>> Chief, it's important that we know what

1:34:05the year is of these engines that we're

1:34:08going to be paying for. Um, so I'd like

1:34:10to know whether it's a 2026 or 2027.

1:34:13I'm Yeah, I'm looking in their bid

1:34:15response. It doesn't have a specific

1:34:16year listed on the on the on the

1:34:18description list.

1:34:19>> Okay. So, by September 5th, you'd be

1:34:22able to get us that answer.

1:34:23>> Sure.

1:34:24>> Okay. I'm sorry. October. I keep saying

1:34:27September. I'm trying to just get us

1:34:28some more summer time. I guess

1:34:30>> go back in time and give that answer.

1:34:31>> Um, Chief, as I did with a recent one,

1:34:35um, I'm going to move make a move to

1:34:37hold this until October 5th so we can

1:34:39get and know what we're buying. I think

1:34:43that's important.

1:34:43>> Yeah, I have no problem with that.

1:34:45>> Okay, thank you. Um, we need a PCR on

1:34:47this, please.

1:34:56>> Okay, this would be um formally 2027 134

1:35:00is now PCR 10326.

1:35:03I need a motion.

1:35:05>> So moved.

1:35:06>> We have a motion. We have a second.

1:35:08Seconded by Councilman Mudo. All those

1:35:11in favor? Hi.

1:35:12>> Hi.

1:35:13>> Thank you,

1:35:14>> Mr. Chairman.

1:35:16>> Yes.

1:35:16>> Uh at this time with the public hearings

1:35:19uh coming up before us, uh would the

1:35:21finance committee please uh suspend at

1:35:24this time so that the public properties

1:35:26committee can convene and make

1:35:28recommendations so that we can

1:35:30>> sure address those council?

1:35:32>> Yeah, that's fine. Um let the record

1:35:34indicate the city council finance

1:35:36committee is suspended as of 6:27. Would

1:35:50the public properties committee please

1:35:51convene?

1:37:30the City Council Committee on Public

1:37:32Properties, Land Use, and Community

1:37:34Affairs comes to order at 6:29.

1:37:38A brief housekeeping note. So like we

1:37:41always do for the matters that are

1:37:43coming up for public hearing, we are

1:37:46simply going to refer these for public

1:37:49hearing to the full council as our

1:37:51standard practice

1:37:54unless a majority of the committee

1:37:56decides to go in a different direction

1:37:58here which I don't expect to happen. So,

1:38:02first up, we have acceptance of the

1:38:04minutes from the committee meeting held

1:38:06on August 17, 2026. Do we have a motion

1:38:10to approve?

1:38:12>> So, moved.

1:38:13>> Second.

1:38:15>> Moved, seconded. All in favor?

1:38:17>> I. 40. Okay.

1:38:21First item on the agenda. This is

1:38:24PCO23-26,

1:38:27an ordinance amending the zoning

1:38:29ordinances of the city of Warick. City

1:38:31of Warick applicant 771 Post Road,

1:38:36Assessor's Plat 288,

1:38:39lot 59. This is the Aldridge property

1:38:45and we had previously opened it,

1:38:48recommended and referred this to the

1:38:50full council for public hearing. So I

1:38:53believe that the proper phrase is

1:38:56recommend referring to the city council

1:38:59for the reopening of the public hearing.

1:39:03Do we have a motion?

1:39:06>> So moved.

1:39:08>> So moved. Do we have a second? Second.

1:39:11>> Second. All in favor?

1:39:13>> I

1:39:13>> I Okay, this will be heard by the full

1:39:16council.

1:39:18And second, we similarly have PCO 26,

1:39:24excuse me, PCO27-26,

1:39:27an ordinance amending the zoning

1:39:29ordinances of the city of Warwick, River

1:39:32Farm Place LLC, applicant 3033

1:39:37Post Road, Assessor's Plat 245, lot 280.

1:39:43Uh, do we have a motion to refer to the

1:39:48full council for public hearing?

1:39:50>> So moved.

1:39:52>> Do we have a second?

1:39:54>> All in favor? I

1:39:56>> I

1:40:03>> And third on the agenda, we have

1:40:06PCO28-26,

1:40:08order on the abandonment of a portion of

1:40:11Willow Street, Long Range LLC

1:40:14petitioner. Do we have a motion to refer

1:40:18this to the full council for public

1:40:19hearing?

1:40:20>> So moved.

1:40:22>> Do we have a second?

1:40:23>> Second.

1:40:24Seconded. All in favor? I

1:40:27>> I All right. That concludes uh the

1:40:31business of this committee. We adjourn

1:40:33at 6:32 p.m.

1:40:40>> Would the city council please convene?

1:41:06All right. The full city council will

1:41:08convene at 6:33 p.m.

1:41:11clerk will please call the role.

1:41:26Mr. Snappy

1:41:27>> here.

1:41:28>> Mr. Dlouise

1:41:29>> here.

1:41:30>> Mr. Foley

1:41:31>> here.

1:41:32>> Mr. Ghart

1:41:33>> here.

1:41:34>> Mr. Kirby

1:41:35>> here.

1:41:36>> Mr. Liser.

1:41:37>> Mr. Mudo here.

1:41:39>> Mr. Nappa here.

1:41:40>> Mr. Ricks

1:41:41>> here.

1:41:43N.

1:41:48>> All right. If Councilman Napa will

1:41:51please lead us in a salute to the flag.

1:42:18See

1:42:19by the dawn [singing]

1:42:21early

1:42:22light,

1:42:24what so proudly we hi

1:42:29[singing]

1:42:31lasting,

1:42:33who bright and bright stars

1:42:38through The bar

1:42:41[singing] fight

1:42:42for the ramp parts we watch [singing]

1:42:47were so gallently

1:42:50streaming

1:42:51and the rockets

1:42:56of our [singing] bursting

1:42:58air

1:43:00gave proof through the [singing] night

1:43:04that our flag was still there.

1:43:09Oh, say [singing] does that star

1:43:12spangled

1:43:15yet

1:43:19for the land of the free

1:43:24and the home [singing]

1:43:26of the grave.

1:43:38First up is general communications

1:43:41announcements of congratulations,

1:43:42condolences, or community events. Does

1:43:44anyone have anything for

1:43:47congratulations, condolences, or

1:43:49community events? Councilman Gart,

1:43:52>> I just wanted to congratulate the

1:43:54members of the War Police Department who

1:43:55were promoted uh in a nice ceremony here

1:43:58uh last week. um uh very well attended

1:44:03and very inspiring to be uh part of

1:44:05that. So, thank you all.

1:44:08>> Council on the Latiser.

1:44:09>> Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. Um we

1:44:12didn't have an opportunity to do so at

1:44:14the special council meeting, but I would

1:44:16like to request a moment of silence for

1:44:20um Chief of Staff Fentes passing of his

1:44:24mother-in-law.

1:44:26If you could please have a moment of

1:44:27silence.

1:44:40All right. Does anyone else have

1:44:41anything for congratulations,

1:44:42condolences, or community events?

1:44:46Seeing none, we move on to executive

1:44:47communications. First up is acceptance

1:44:49of minutes from the council meeting held

1:44:51on February 9th, 2026. Does anyone have

1:44:55anything or rather does anyone have any

1:44:57objection to accepting these minutes as

1:44:59written?

1:45:01All right, seeing none so approved. Next

1:45:04we have

1:45:06August 17th, 2026 minutes.

1:45:10Does anyone have any objection to

1:45:11approving these minutes as written? All

1:45:13right, it's not so approved. Next, we

1:45:16have public comment rule 41. After

1:45:19general communications and prior to the

1:45:20consent calendar at the last regularly

1:45:22scheduled meeting of the city council

1:45:23each month, there shall be a period of

1:45:25time not to exceed 30 minutes during

1:45:27which citizens may comment about Warick

1:45:29city government issues subject to the

1:45:31following stipulations.

1:45:34The total period of time for public

1:45:36comment shall not exceed 30 minutes.

1:45:37Comments need to be brief in order to

1:45:39allow as many citizens as possible to

1:45:41participate. Each citizen signed up and

1:45:43present shall have not to exceed 5

1:45:45minutes to speak. Provided, however,

1:45:47that if more than six citizens are

1:45:49signed up and present, the 30 minutes

1:45:50will be split evenly among speakers.

1:45:52Time shall not be transferable among

1:45:54speakers. The topics for comment shall

1:45:57be issues directly affecting city

1:45:58government. City council members will

1:46:00not respond to questions during the

1:46:02public comment period. The public

1:46:03comment session will terminate at the

1:46:05expiration of the earlier of all

1:46:07speakers, including their allotted time

1:46:09or 30 minutes. Waiver of this provision

1:46:11requires a unanimous vote of the

1:46:13council.

1:46:14>> Thank you.

1:46:16signed up for public comment. We have

1:46:18one individual, Richard Lang.

1:46:42They can't hear me. Oh my god.

1:46:46First of all, we had an election last

1:46:49week and I was just absolutely pleased,

1:46:54delighted to find that Bill Mutoo made

1:46:57it through the primary. Congratulations.

1:47:00This is going to be a very big deal. We

1:47:02all have to fight to make sure he gets

1:47:04to the general election, which we

1:47:06clearly will do.

1:47:10There was an announcement today that

1:47:13telecommuting through the United States

1:47:16is a very big matter, which it is. I did

1:47:20it for years as one of my co-hars here.

1:47:24Rhode Island was listed as the third

1:47:28worst place to live for telecommuting.

1:47:33This is absolutely ridiculous.

1:47:36And the reason why it's listed as such

1:47:39is we in town governments are not taking

1:47:42the initiative to put the word out that

1:47:46this is a good place.

1:47:48We have great

1:47:52train traffic to Boston which which I

1:47:54took advantage of for years. Um,

1:47:58and I could leave the Boston station at

1:48:015:30 at night and be home on my beach

1:48:06having taken the train and my car at

1:48:096:15 at night. Just think about this.

1:48:13Many of the people that I worked with in

1:48:15Boston took longer to get home to the

1:48:18Northshore. Is this still working?

1:48:21Northshore or Southshore?

1:48:24Why can't we put the word out that

1:48:27Warwick is a great place for

1:48:29telecommuting? I I think the word is

1:48:32out. Um the house prices have been

1:48:34rising dramatically. I I meet many new

1:48:37people here in town who obviously are

1:48:40commuting to Boston. We we just need to

1:48:43get the word out. And in order to get

1:48:46the word out, one thing we need to be

1:48:48very very conscious of is the rights of

1:48:51way to the shore.

1:48:55Mr. Gart has been working very hard on

1:48:57this. I appreciate it very much. But we

1:49:00have a right away on Charlotte Drive

1:49:03that a a vendor to the city of Warick

1:49:07put up sprinkler systems on it. This is

1:49:10the vendor who puts up flock cameras and

1:49:13he thinks that he can put sprinklers up

1:49:16on the right of way to soak the people

1:49:19trying to get down the rightway. Now, a

1:49:22year ago, August, I filed a complaint

1:49:25with the city government about this, and

1:49:27the city government has done absolutely

1:49:30nothing. Those sprinklers are still

1:49:32there. We have a Facebook group of

1:49:3615,000 people and we all communicate

1:49:40with each other all the time. What's

1:49:42going on with this sprinkler system in

1:49:44Warwick? Oh, we don't know. This is the

1:49:47kind of thing that absolutely needs to

1:49:49end. If if we want to be a great place

1:49:52for telecommuting, we have to be a great

1:49:54place for recreation. Recreation is

1:49:57rights away. We have over 200 rights of

1:50:01way to the shore here in Warwick. The

1:50:03city government has taken the effort to

1:50:06document many of these on a web page.

1:50:08It's very nice. However, you need to do

1:50:11more than document. you need to actually

1:50:14maintain these rights away. One in

1:50:17particular is very interesting to me.

1:50:19It's in my neighborhood, Sylvia Drive.

1:50:22When when that was platted out, it was a

1:50:24little parkway with cedar trees down the

1:50:27center. The the War Sewer Authority came

1:50:30in and devastated the the seed the cedar

1:50:33trees, took them all down, put the sewer

1:50:36line right through the center of the

1:50:37road. So now we have maybe a 60 foot

1:50:40wide road going to Sylvia Drive. And you

1:50:43know what the administration did a

1:50:45couple years ago? They put up no parking

1:50:47signs. Now, as I understand the

1:50:50ordinance, what we need is a traffic

1:50:52study every time the city moves to put

1:50:55up no parking signs. You can bet your

1:50:57bottom dollar they did not do that

1:50:59there. This is the kind of behavior that

1:51:02we need to end because it's very very

1:51:05important to the city of Warwick. I

1:51:07submit it's more important than bumb

1:51:10cars behind city hall. Really really

1:51:13important.

1:51:15I think that's it. Thank you very much.

1:51:25All right. Any objection to jumping to

1:51:29our public hearings for public

1:51:31properties?

1:51:34All righty. Seeing none, we'll jump

1:51:35first to PCO23-26.

1:51:39It's under referred business. An

1:51:41ordinance amending the zoning ordinances

1:51:43of the city of War.

1:51:45City of Warick

1:51:48seems to be a typo. Applicant 771 Post

1:51:50Road Assessor Plat 288, lot 59.

1:51:58All right. So, this is on behalf of the

1:52:00mayor, so the administration.

1:52:08>> All right. First, do we have a motion to

1:52:09reopen the public hearing?

1:52:12>> Motion by Councilman Ler, seconded by

1:52:13Council.

1:52:17>> All right. We unfortunately need a roll

1:52:19call. Uh, clerk, could you please call

1:52:20the role on the motion to reopen the

1:52:23public hearing?

1:52:25Mr. Sappy,

1:52:26>> yes.

1:52:26>> Mr. Dluise,

1:52:28>> yes.

1:52:28>> Mr. Foley,

1:52:30>> yes.

1:52:30>> Mr. Ghart,

1:52:31>> yes.

1:52:31>> Mr. Kirby,

1:52:32>> yes.

1:52:33>> Mr. Latiser,

1:52:34>> yes.

1:52:34>> Mr. Mudo,

1:52:35>> yes.

1:52:36>> Mr. Nappa,

1:52:37>> yes.

1:52:37>> Mr. Ricks,

1:52:38>> yes.

1:52:41>> All right. So, public hearing stands

1:52:43reopened.

1:52:44So, Director Kravitz.

1:52:46>> Yeah. Hi. Uh Tom Krabbit, city plan

1:52:48director. Uh we're back here tonight. We

1:52:51made some revisions based on the first

1:52:54uh public hearing. Uh as requested, I

1:52:58[clears throat] recorded the minor

1:52:59subdivision which effectively creates

1:53:01the lot that you just read on the agenda

1:53:03item. That property now houses uh

1:53:07Aldridge School itself and the parking

1:53:09lot mo most of the parking lot I should

1:53:11say behind it.

1:53:13The fire station is now um on its own

1:53:17property with the field and the tennis

1:53:18courts. That's a good thing because

1:53:21we're protecting uh the land and water

1:53:25conservation investment from the late

1:53:2670s

1:53:28um by putting the tennis courts in the

1:53:31field on its own property,

1:53:33which those tennis courts at some point

1:53:35will be upgraded to something uh better

1:53:39uh if not new courts uh in a future

1:53:41date. But we've got [clears throat] the

1:53:44property with Aldrich now. So when we

1:53:46bid it, it will be uh the subdivision

1:53:49activity has already been accomplished.

1:53:51It's one less thing the development

1:53:53community will have to worry about.

1:53:56And likewise, we are back with the uh

1:53:58PDR request for just that property only

1:54:02with the acreage coming down. um as a

1:54:05PDR overlay with the A7 zone, the max

1:54:09density allowed is uh 12 units per acre.

1:54:13Um so by my math, you're looking at

1:54:16anywhere from maybe 40 to 50 units total

1:54:19that could be requested. Um that will

1:54:23enable the development community to

1:54:26provide what are hopefully healthy bid

1:54:29numbers to acquire the property from the

1:54:31city because I also got a cost to demo

1:54:33the project. It's about $1.8 million to

1:54:36take that building down. That's

1:54:38inclusive of all the environmental

1:54:40remediation and whatnot. Now, that's a

1:54:42number I got as a city official. On the

1:54:45private side, they might be able to

1:54:46negotiate something better. Uh but

1:54:49that's that's an item that I intend to

1:54:52put into the bid. Uh depending on what

1:54:54happens here this evening. Uh the last

1:54:57thing I'll mention too, uh there was a

1:54:59concern by the residents to um not allow

1:55:03an opportunity for commercially

1:55:06uh zoned projects along the frontage and

1:55:08we can honor that. So when I put this

1:55:10out to bid, it'll be clear that it's to

1:55:12be a residential use only.

1:55:15So having said that, that really

1:55:16summarizes everything. So uh I'm here to

1:55:19try to answer questions.

1:55:21>> All right. Is there anyone here to speak

1:55:24in favor of the proposal?

1:55:30Is there anyone here to speak in favor

1:55:32of the proposal?

1:55:34Is there anyone here to speak in favor

1:55:35of the proposal?

1:55:37Is there anyone here to speak against

1:55:39the proposal?

1:55:43All right. If you're here to speak

1:55:44against it, please just come on up to

1:55:46the mic. All you got to do is state your

1:55:48name and then you can have at it.

1:55:51>> [clears throat]

1:55:56>> Okay. My name is Joan Koken. I live on

1:55:58Palm Boulevard North. And uh the whole

1:56:03time I've lived there, it's I say most

1:56:06of the time I've lived there, the school

1:56:08has been empty. And the way I look at

1:56:12it, if you want to destroy the school,

1:56:14that's fine to me. I just don't want 93

1:56:17apartments, which would mean 180 cars.

1:56:21And I was trying to get my neighbors to

1:56:22come. I don't have too many that got off

1:56:24their butts to come in. Um, but most of

1:56:28them don't want a lot of apartments and

1:56:32the putting commercial there. We have

1:56:34enough trouble getting in and out of

1:56:36Palm Boulevard, Rail Street, getting

1:56:39into uh where Walmart is. It It's very

1:56:44difficult and know it's going to build

1:56:45up more traffic there on Post Road,

1:56:48which is really bad. and and I have

1:56:52something that has absolutely nothing to

1:56:54do with the school.

1:56:56I would like our street to get paved one

1:56:58of these years before I break my neck.

1:57:02And that's all I have to say about it.

1:57:06>> Bye, Jeremy.

1:57:09>> Thank you. And please, when you do

1:57:11speak, make sure it's confined to the

1:57:14proposal. Otherwise, I'll have to gabble

1:57:16you out.

1:57:18All right. Next speaker. And for those

1:57:21wondering there there's a third category

1:57:22that's speaking for against and then

1:57:24there's also a category of people who

1:57:25just want to speak on the proposal in

1:57:27general. So you don't have to be for or

1:57:28against if you prefer to wait for that

1:57:30but sorry go ahead.

1:57:32>> What's going on? I'm Andrew Clark 821

1:57:34Post Road. Uh I have a couple questions

1:57:37for the director of the planning

1:57:39department. Um a couple questions I

1:57:41have. Uh number one is the parking for

1:57:43the field in the back. There's uh

1:57:46different schools that come and

1:57:47practice. I think I I don't know what

1:57:49sports they play. Honestly, I don't pay

1:57:50attention, but I know there's cars that

1:57:52pack that entire parking lot behind the

1:57:54school. So, my thoughts are if there's

1:57:58no parking lot there, Ral Street and

1:58:01Palm Boulevard are going to be packed

1:58:03and that's a couple nights a week. Um,

1:58:06so is there a plan for that?

1:58:10I'm not sure who uses the school and

1:58:13when and for what purpose. Um, I would

1:58:15need help from I think it's recreation

1:58:18that schedules um the use of those

1:58:21fields. Is it the fields that are being

1:58:23used?

1:58:24>> Yes, sir.

1:58:26>> Which is great.

1:58:28>> But it's just that there's going to be

1:58:30there's probably 50 plus cars back

1:58:32there.

1:58:33>> That's substantial. there there's

1:58:36parking that is already available to the

1:58:39city even with the subdivision, but

1:58:40there's more land behind the fire

1:58:42station around the tower that we could

1:58:46improve for parking. And we're we are

1:58:48aware that we may have to do that as

1:58:50part of this whole effort. So that that

1:58:52hasn't been forgotten.

1:58:53>> Okay.

1:58:54>> And I should say too, I didn't mention

1:58:57this in the beginning, this project, uh

1:59:00let's say, you know, we host the bids,

1:59:03Mr. Ricks opens them and we pick a the

1:59:05council picks a developer to build this.

1:59:08They have to still submit to the

1:59:09planning board and this has to get

1:59:11approval from the planning board

1:59:13regardless of what they do after

1:59:15tonight. And I should just mention that

1:59:17for everybody that you're going to get

1:59:19notices again as part of the planning

1:59:21board process to come to their meeting

1:59:23and you'll get to see exactly what's

1:59:24going to happen with the project and

1:59:26everything. So that's just something I

1:59:27should mention.

1:59:29>> Okay. Okay. And the next question I had

1:59:30for you was um on the last proposal um

1:59:35the exit from the apartment complex was

1:59:38on Ralph Street. Uh has that been

1:59:40rethought in any way, shape or form?

1:59:42>> Yeah, that right. I remember that

1:59:44comment. We certainly uh could entertain

1:59:47a different proposal or a combination of

1:59:50two points of ingress egress. That'll be

1:59:52something that the developer will

1:59:53[snorts] design and be part of the

1:59:56project that you'll get to see. So

1:59:57that's definitely something we'll

1:59:59consider in the future.

2:00:01>> Okay. I just just for uh your

2:00:03consideration in kind of your vote of

2:00:05that what goes on there is that again I

2:00:08I mentioned last time Elmwood is like a

2:00:11a few short turns away. So people from

2:00:14that um complex that are trying to get

2:00:17onto Route 10 or 95 North are going to

2:00:20be going there like that's going to be

2:00:22their their route. They're not going on

2:00:24post road. So, um, if that is an option,

2:00:28that's going to be flooding the entire

2:00:29back neighborhood, which, uh, doesn't

2:00:31necessarily affect where I am because

2:00:33I'm on the the post road side of, uh,

2:00:36the school, but that entire neighborhood

2:00:38is going to, I'm sure, be very unhappy

2:00:40if there's just cars flying by. Um, so

2:00:44>> that's left turns are a problem for

2:00:47sure. Um, so a traffic study will be

2:00:50part of the application.

2:00:52you know, if signalization is warranted,

2:00:54that's not off the table either, you

2:00:56know, so everything will be looked at.

2:00:58>> Okay. Thank you. Awesome.

2:01:06>> My name is James McMedaman. I live on 23

2:01:09Palm Boulevard. Um, I'd like to start

2:01:11with a question for the planner. What is

2:01:14the benefit to us to sell this school

2:01:16for development? What does that do for

2:01:18my neighborhood and my community?

2:01:22any number of things. I mean, the school

2:01:23is obviously blighted and vacant. It's

2:01:25been vacant for a period of time now.

2:01:27Um,

2:01:30it's uh it's a liability, frankly, to

2:01:32the city from that perspective. There's

2:01:34kids going in there. The police can

2:01:36attest to it. Um, [clears throat]

2:01:39the city stands to gain revenue

2:01:43uh by selling the property. We've done

2:01:44this at different school properties with

2:01:46the Wix Elementary School, which is a

2:01:48residential neighborhood now. You may

2:01:49have seen that. Um, [clears throat]

2:01:53so the the idea is to offer it to the

2:01:56development community for investment for

2:01:58something new. Um,

2:02:01that that's probably not going to

2:02:03detract from value. It might enhance it.

2:02:06Uh, even more so than what's there now.

2:02:09That's generally my sentiment about it.

2:02:11Um,

2:02:12>> so you're you mean the a one-time sale

2:02:15of a school building to the city of

2:02:17Warick is going to benefit my local

2:02:19neighborhood

2:02:21>> in conjunction with the development that

2:02:23comes afterwards?

2:02:25>> Yeah.

2:02:26>> Well, what comes afterwards is my main

2:02:27concern. I don't see how it at all

2:02:29positively impacts our neighborhood.

2:02:31You're talking about adding a street

2:02:32light. Do you have you counted the

2:02:34street lights from 37 to to Aldridge

2:02:37Junior High School? I think there's like

2:02:3912. So there'll be a 13th red light. You

2:02:43have a red light at Walmart. Now you're

2:02:44proposing to put a red light 200 feet in

2:02:47front of it.

2:02:49My street is maybe 30 feet wide.

2:02:52[clears throat]

2:02:53So I'm wondering what are you going to

2:02:55do when people decide that the parking

2:02:57lot is too full and they would rather

2:02:58park on the streets?

2:03:00What kind of infrastructure does the

2:03:02city have to undertake in order to make

2:03:04sure that there's safe like walking and

2:03:06travel in and out of those buildings? I

2:03:09don't see how a one-time sale to a city

2:03:10that hemorrhages money in every way

2:03:12possible at all positively affects our

2:03:15community at all. Maybe it it positively

2:03:18affects the builder or the developer

2:03:20because they can profit on it, but it

2:03:21does nothing for me. So my question is,

2:03:24how come nobody is talking about like

2:03:26any kind of green space? Why is it only

2:03:29development in an area that's already

2:03:31super congested and tough to get in and

2:03:33out of?

2:03:36>> Did you say green space?

2:03:37>> Yeah, green space. a park. You built two

2:03:39new schools. They don't have athletic

2:03:40fields. Why can't it be that? Why can't

2:03:42it be anything other than adding in

2:03:44another 50s something units and

2:03:46something cars to people that have to

2:03:48get to work every day to people to a

2:03:50fire department that needs to be able to

2:03:52operate for the safety of the community?

2:03:54What's that going to do to them? How is

2:03:55how is it going to make it easier for

2:03:56them to get in and out when they already

2:03:58struggle to get especially down my road?

2:04:01I don't see at all not one positive

2:04:03thing that comes from putting a

2:04:05development where there was not a

2:04:06previous development in a city that's

2:04:08already congested in an area that's

2:04:10already super congested with a massive

2:04:12Walmart across the street with 12

2:04:15existing red lights. I mean give or

2:04:17take. I just don't see at all if anyone

2:04:20is thinking about how it's going to

2:04:21directly impact the people who have to

2:04:23live and go to work there every single

2:04:25day.

2:04:25>> Can you make sure when you're speaking

2:04:27you're you're going to want to face the

2:04:28mic and get real close to it? the

2:04:30acoustics in this room are garbage. So,

2:04:32while it might sound like you're

2:04:33speaking normally, it's very hard for us

2:04:35to hear. Sorry.

2:04:37>> So, I'm just looking for one conclusive

2:04:38answer that you have to say other than

2:04:41the one-time sale of a school to a city

2:04:43that can't hang on to a penny is going

2:04:45to benefit us at all. I just don't see

2:04:47how it happens. and you haven't given me

2:04:49one good answer yet other than to say

2:04:51maybe, you know, it'll increase the

2:04:53property value, but I certainly don't

2:04:56think that's going to happen when I

2:04:57can't get out of my house to go to work.

2:05:01>> Fair enough.

2:05:02>> So, that's just you don't have an

2:05:04answer. Yeah. I

2:05:07this this project's going to be designed

2:05:10and built by engineers. Uh DOT will be

2:05:13involved, fire department will be

2:05:15involved. Every development we design uh

2:05:19well that gets approved through the

2:05:20planning board let's say it has to go to

2:05:23all the city departments for review

2:05:25engineering sewer water police fire.

2:05:29So it's we try let's say you said you

2:05:32know what are you going to do when you

2:05:33build a project and you don't have any

2:05:35parking for it. As I said to the

2:05:36gentleman before you, we're going to try

2:05:38to examine how the fields are used so

2:05:42that we don't design a project or let a

2:05:44developer design something that's

2:05:45inefficient or uh doesn't work well for

2:05:48the neighborhood. Um everything down to

2:05:51the lighting. They're going to it's it's

2:05:53a requirement to employ something called

2:05:55dark sky lighting now where they don't

2:05:57put the kind of lighting that you see

2:05:59that they used to do in the 80s or 90s

2:06:01even. It's very different. So, all I can

2:06:04tell you is a number of engineering and

2:06:07architectural and transportation

2:06:08engineers and those professionals will

2:06:10be involved. You'll get notice of it and

2:06:13you'll get to see what it is that's

2:06:14designed in accordance with the

2:06:16neighborhood as you'd like it to be.

2:06:18Having said all of that, this council

2:06:21has to approve this to move forward. So,

2:06:23it'll be their decision to make. I'm

2:06:24just trying to effectuate a program that

2:06:27was there when I was hired.

2:06:30Say you decide and it approves and you

2:06:33get 50 or 60 units, whatever it's

2:06:35allowed, and now the sewers are not

2:06:38sufficient. Who would foot the bill to

2:06:40upgrade the sewers? Would that be the

2:06:41developer or would that be the city?

2:06:43>> Yeah, as part of the review, we expect

2:06:45the sewer staff to tell us if there's

2:06:47inefficiencies there and it would be on

2:06:49the developer to improve those uh

2:06:52systems such that they work. Is there

2:06:55any plan or any idea of any kind of park

2:06:58or something that would actually add,

2:07:00you know, some beauty, some something

2:07:02nice to see, something that would

2:07:04actually serve the community for that

2:07:05space?

2:07:07>> Or is it only strictly you're only

2:07:09looking for development?

2:07:12>> In terms of a park, it'll be the park

2:07:14that's there that's going to be

2:07:15preserved forever. That was the whole

2:07:17point of subdividing it off. The field

2:07:20the field that is in between roads and

2:07:22Aldrich will stay as will the tennis

2:07:24courts.

2:07:26>> I'm not asking about that park which is

2:07:28subject not to what we're talking about

2:07:30right now. We're talking about the

2:07:31school itself. Is there anything

2:07:34proposed at all to knock that down and

2:07:37make that a larger park?

2:07:40You have Pilgrim practicing there right

2:07:42now. Why can't that be the football and

2:07:43baseball fields? What is the plan for

2:07:45the city for for athletics?

2:07:50That's technically still on the table if

2:07:52the

2:07:53>> I haven't heard it mentioned once.

2:07:55[clears throat]

2:07:55>> Absolutely. That's still on the table.

2:07:57>> If I may, part of the reason why you may

2:07:58not have heard anything mentioned yet is

2:08:00because we're not at the stage where

2:08:02that's even on the

2:08:04>> on the table yet because there are no

2:08:05bids or anything. This is just to get

2:08:08the property set up in a different

2:08:11manner so that bids can come in in the

2:08:13first place. at which point what you're

2:08:14saying absolutely is pertinent as far as

2:08:17what those bids consist of.

2:08:19>> I just would like and you know Jeremy

2:08:20you're familiar enough with the area. I

2:08:21don't know why there hasn't been a poll

2:08:22put out about what we want in our

2:08:25neighborhood. Why no one is saying

2:08:27anything other than development

2:08:28development development. How come no one

2:08:30has come and walked around, passed out a

2:08:31flyer, done a Facebook poll, anything to

2:08:33see what the people who live there want

2:08:35rather than what a developer wants. I

2:08:37understand profit. I get it. It's a

2:08:39great housing market. You know,

2:08:40everyone's going to make money. But

2:08:41we're going to pay the price. I'm going

2:08:43to pay the price trying to go to work

2:08:44every day. I'm going to pay the price

2:08:46with another 50 something in a 100 cars

2:08:48zooming in and out of my neighborhood

2:08:49where my kids have to play. I am going

2:08:51to pay the price in a million ways in a

2:08:53one-time sale to a city that doesn't do

2:08:55well financially. Does no benefit to

2:08:58anybody who lives in that community at

2:09:00all, nor in the city in general. You're

2:09:03adding another hundred and something

2:09:04cars. You got one unit that's

2:09:06supposeding that there's only one car

2:09:08per unit. Now you're talking about

2:09:10whatever the property may be for

2:09:12whatever income level or whatever. Not

2:09:15that it matters. It's just about

2:09:16density. You cannot I don't see how this

2:09:18area can support another red light,

2:09:21another hundred cars going and coming

2:09:23every day. It's just not feasible and

2:09:26it's not going to be good for anyone

2:09:28here. I see several of my neighbors

2:09:29here. Nobody is going to be better off

2:09:32because this gets sold to a developer.

2:09:34No one except the developer and the

2:09:36city, I guess, for what will come out to

2:09:38be nickels by the time you improve in

2:09:41infrastructure. How much does it cost to

2:09:42put up a street light nowadays? A

2:09:44one-time sale of $800,000 is going to

2:09:46benefit anyone. I don't see how that's

2:09:48even possible. By the time you do

2:09:50everything to make sure you can even

2:09:51sell the building, you've probably

2:09:52already spent the $800,000 that you

2:09:54would get. And all we're gonna have is

2:09:56more density, more problems getting to

2:09:59and from work, more cars zooming up and

2:10:02down my road, cutting through to get to

2:10:03the other side of Elwood. Ralph Street,

2:10:05forget about it. It' be a parking lot.

2:10:07You can't even ask the fire department.

2:10:09I see them struggle to get their trucks

2:10:10up and down my road all the time. You

2:10:12can barely get a fire truck up and down

2:10:13my road right now with just the people

2:10:16who live on the street.

2:10:17>> I want to make sure you get notice if

2:10:19this comes forward. What was your

2:10:20address again?

2:10:21>> 23 Palm Boulevard.

2:10:23>> 23 what? Palm Boulevard, like a butt to

2:10:26school.

2:10:28So, I'm trust me, I'm going to be

2:10:30directly, you know, influenced by this

2:10:33and it's not going to be positive. So,

2:10:36everyone here, whoever lives in our

2:10:37neighborhood, and I see several of them

2:10:39sitting right here, you will not be

2:10:41positively affected by the sale of this

2:10:42school, you should do everything to

2:10:44block whatever sale may come and make

2:10:46them knock it down or preserve it like

2:10:48it should have been preserved when the

2:10:49International Charter School wanted to

2:10:51buy it. But we won't get into that

2:10:52today. But it should be some kind of

2:10:55park, something that will add beauty to

2:10:57a community that could desperately need

2:10:58it. something that will benefit the

2:11:00people that live there. The people that

2:11:02live there, not the city, not the

2:11:04developer, not anybody else, but the

2:11:06people who live there who will be

2:11:08directly impacted by it. Thank you for

2:11:10your time. [applause]

2:11:20>> Good evening. My name's Tom. Um,

2:11:24I live on Palm Boulevard also.

2:11:28Are we not custodians?

2:11:31Isn't that what we are not to take care

2:11:33of our city, different sections,

2:11:36different areas? Wouldn't it be And we

2:11:38all have children. We all have

2:11:39grandchildren.

2:11:41Wouldn't it be nice to leave things? I

2:11:43understand what's coming over here. You

2:11:46spend the money, we're bleeding over

2:11:48there. We'll take that money that we get

2:11:49from that and put it over. We see it. We

2:11:51know it. We're not stupid.

2:11:54It's not always about money. Look at my

2:11:56age. I'm on about the 15, 16th hole

2:12:00right now. You know, I only got a couple

2:12:02more tea boxes to go. Wouldn't it be

2:12:04nice for me to leave something like that

2:12:07young man just said for my grandchildren

2:12:09or your grandchildren?

2:12:12It's not always about making the money

2:12:14and putting it there and stopping the

2:12:16bleeding. I have questions like, "Okay,

2:12:18we sell it. You win. We sell it." Who

2:12:21gets that money? Does Lakewood get that

2:12:24money or does it go over to Buttonwood

2:12:26somewhere or where does that money go?

2:12:29And now you have a thing about we're

2:12:31only going to do 50 units, two cars per

2:12:34unit. Do the math. 100 cars. A third of

2:12:38the mile up the street there, there's a

2:12:41brand new land being developed, 30 large

2:12:45houses, 60 more cars. So the 100 is now

2:12:49160.

2:12:52And like was said here, cutthroughs.

2:12:54There's a shortcut from where we live to

2:12:56get onto Elmwood Avenue.

2:12:59I have another question. No matter

2:13:01what's done, good, bad, or indifferent,

2:13:04you're going to move an old, old

2:13:05building around.

2:13:08I've worked in Providence, Harford,

2:13:10Boston a lot. And sometimes they have to

2:13:12move or destroy old, old buildings. And

2:13:16when that happens, what usually happens

2:13:18is my own experience is a lot of rats

2:13:21show up. Lots and lots and lots of rat.

2:13:24He's already shaking his head. Yes.

2:13:27There's plenty of rats traps all around

2:13:29there. Now, the first people you're

2:13:31going to hear from is the union of the

2:13:33fire department because they're going to

2:13:34get the rats first,

2:13:37then Walmart, then McDonald's. And so it

2:13:42really doesn't matter what you do

2:13:44positive or what we don't consider

2:13:45positive. There's going to be this issue

2:13:48and I suggest we take a look at that.

2:13:52Why? I got skin in the game. I'm I'm

2:13:54only five, six houses up from that

2:13:56school. They'll spread and they'll go

2:13:59somewhere and they're rather large,

2:14:02but once you start moving that stuff

2:14:03around, it's going to happen, you know.

2:14:06And

2:14:08um I understand what what you're looking

2:14:11at and everything, but you know, you got

2:14:13to look at us, too. We want to protect

2:14:15where we live. This is my address. You

2:14:18know, my my kids will end up with the

2:14:20house and their kids will probably move

2:14:22in or whatever. Wouldn't it be nice to

2:14:23walk down the street and have something

2:14:25like that? Wouldn't it be nice for

2:14:27custodians to provide that? I grew up in

2:14:30a few other nice towns. Portsmith,

2:14:32Barington,

2:14:34all communities go to this one area

2:14:36because it's so nice and they sit around

2:14:38and if you've ever been down in Florida

2:14:41and different places and everything,

2:14:42they'll have barbecues over on the side

2:14:44and it's a community thing down there.

2:14:47It's really nice. It's We don't have

2:14:48that around here. Maybe it's because

2:14:50they're 12 months out of the season or

2:14:52whatever, but it's it's really nice. I I

2:14:54was taken back when I saw that families

2:14:56from all over the neighborhoods and

2:14:58everything get together. Wouldn't that

2:15:00be nice place to be?

2:15:04Wouldn't it? It's not always about the

2:15:07money.

2:15:10I don't know what to tell you. You can

2:15:12keep digging into my pocket if I can do

2:15:14something for my kids and grandkids. You

2:15:16know, keep taxing me. Once in a while,

2:15:18we should leave something nice before we

2:15:21all leave here. I look around, you know,

2:15:23a couple of you.

2:15:25Wouldn't it be nice to leave something

2:15:27to the kids and the grandkids? It's not

2:15:29always about building.

2:15:32The only reason why there isn't a big

2:15:34structure over there right now is

2:15:35because of that waterhed.

2:15:37I believe that was almost thinking about

2:15:39being turned into a super Walmart a few

2:15:41years back, but you couldn't combine the

2:15:44two schools because the water in the

2:15:46middle or that would be a giant super

2:15:48Walmart right now. They wanted to sell

2:15:50the one across the street and build.

2:15:52Wouldn't that be beautiful to feel those

2:15:54tractor trailers rolling behind my

2:15:57house? That would have been great.

2:16:00I drive tractor trailer for a living, so

2:16:03I know what it's like.

2:16:05Plastic bags hanging up in the trees.

2:16:09Let's do something positive.

2:16:12So what? It cost us money. The debts are

2:16:15always going to be there. The water's

2:16:17always going to be leaking. We're

2:16:19custodians. Let's do something nice.

2:16:23It's I think it's something our whole We

2:16:26all forget about that. Let's do nice for

2:16:28nice people. We stop being nice all the

2:16:32time. You know, you know when I'm going

2:16:33to meet my neighbors when there's a

2:16:35hurricane or a tornado. You don't even

2:16:37know who your neighbors are anymore.

2:16:38They move in, they move out. Those days

2:16:41are gone. I grew up with all that stuff.

2:16:44Wouldn't it be nice to have a central

2:16:46location where all the kids go and enjoy

2:16:49themselves?

2:16:51I don't have the answers. I certainly

2:16:53don't. But I know just building and

2:16:55building and housing and we have No, you

2:16:58don't have to. You don't have to. You

2:17:02choose to plug some holes.

2:17:06Money. We're all tight on money. I'm

2:17:08retired and I'm working.

2:17:11It's not easy. It's not easy today. I

2:17:13understand that. And if it's happening

2:17:14to me, it's certainly happening on a

2:17:16larger level in the government.

2:17:19Everything, your contracts, everything.

2:17:21I understand all that.

2:17:24But still sometimes you I'm not saying

2:17:26you do the wrong thing by providing

2:17:28thing for the kids or anything but every

2:17:30once in a while you you just got to do

2:17:31what's right. What's really right and

2:17:34you stop with money and all the other

2:17:35stuff.

2:17:37Yes, we got Pilgrim football over there

2:17:39right now. The gentleman's absolutely

2:17:41right. There's only so much parking over

2:17:43there.

2:17:53I don't know much more much more to say.

2:17:56You saw me here a couple months ago.

2:17:58I'll give you a little update. Homeless

2:18:01people still over there going to the

2:18:03bathroom behind the shrubs.

2:18:06Beautiful way to retire. Beautiful way

2:18:08to walk around your neighborhood. Tents,

2:18:11chairs,

2:18:12the guy panhandling across the street at

2:18:14Walmarts. when he goes on break, he

2:18:17passes out on the top steps.

2:18:19>> Please make sure to stay on topic

2:18:20regarding the proposal before us.

2:18:22>> It's reality. Thank you.

2:18:26[applause]

2:18:30>> How you doing? My name is Charles

2:18:32Mashad. I live at 26, excuse me, 16 spot

2:18:37for Avenue. 26 of the year. I'm with uh

2:18:39the proposal for whatever regardless is

2:18:42being built at Aldridge. I do concur to

2:18:45my prior speakers. I live at there for

2:18:5026 years. That's what I meant to say. We

2:18:52have three lights from the Northfield

2:18:55Atlantic Avenue, the Walmart light, and

2:18:59there's a zero light right in front of

2:19:01the Dunkin Donuts post office area.

2:19:03Prior to Warick Avenue, you have a

2:19:05light. Now you have Elmwood and Post

2:19:08Road that has a light. this units,

2:19:11regardless of the size you you're

2:19:13promoting to put there, is going to

2:19:16concuss all that traffic. It's it's

2:19:18going to be tedious, drastic. I mean, it

2:19:22is just going to be absolutely I live in

2:19:24doing my lawn work. The cars come down

2:19:27my street doing 60 70 miles an hour. I

2:19:30mean, you think that that is going to

2:19:32triple the traffic going up and down my

2:19:34street. I live two streets away from the

2:19:36fire department.

2:19:38Now, [snorts] I don't know if I'm

2:19:40premature on this, but I suggest that

2:19:43something has to be looked at because

2:19:45I'll tell you what, you put a 93 unit

2:19:47place in that place, you are not going

2:19:49to have the best of ability to even get

2:19:52out because you got 37 heading towards

2:19:55Post Road, regardless if you go to the

2:19:58back streets avenue where Columbus door

2:20:01is, you're going to go to Route 10, that

2:20:03direction. You go to Warick Avenue to

2:20:06Park Avenue, Route 10. Now, you

2:20:08[clears throat] build up this traffic to

2:20:0993 units. It is going to be totally

2:20:12totally tedious, tedious, I should say,

2:20:16to get in and out of there. I don't know

2:20:18how and what you're going to be able to

2:20:20do. Maybe I'm premature on the voting of

2:20:22this, but I can't see how this is going

2:20:24to make it. I just don't know what is

2:20:27going to happen. What are you going to

2:20:30do with all this traffic? How

2:20:33you say Ralph Street? We're going to

2:20:35have to have another exit. the back

2:20:37streets from Columbus north to my

2:20:39street. Easy to get to access right

2:20:41there. It's just we're going to be

2:20:44totally

2:20:46disoriented over there.

2:20:48Little nervous about speaking in public.

2:20:50Don't mind me. But I just don't know

2:20:53what this is going to be able to do. How

2:20:55you going to be able to do who am I

2:20:57looking at? I don't know. But all I know

2:21:00as a 26-year homeowner, I love the city

2:21:02of Warwick, but I don't know if I'm

2:21:04going to be able to stay anymore.

2:21:06Because if they put this property in

2:21:09there, my property's going down and I'm

2:21:11going to sell immediately. I'm putting

2:21:13it on the house market. I'm getting the

2:21:14hell out. Excuse my profanity, but

2:21:17that's what I'm going to say. I'm

2:21:18leaving because if this goes up,

2:21:20regardless of the size, I'm not staying.

2:21:24I'm not making any threats to anybody,

2:21:27but I don't want this property near me.

2:21:29I'm only two streets away.

2:21:32three lights prior to Elwood, prior to

2:21:36War Avenue, you got the North Field, you

2:21:39put a baseball game where regardless of

2:21:41what's going on in any event, this

2:21:43traffic ain't slowing down for them.

2:21:47These kids are going to have a hard time

2:21:50cross I mean, people don't stop for the

2:21:52people crossing streets. You got the

2:21:55Walmart Plaza, McDonald's Plaza, and

2:21:58they got Aldridge across the street.

2:22:01Where's this traffic going?

2:22:04I have no idea.

2:22:07No. And I'm going to conclude this

2:22:09speech with I'm trying to concur with

2:22:12the previous speakers to everything that

2:22:15they spoke about. I do concur with them

2:22:18and I'm going to conclude with that and

2:22:20I thank you and I appreciate it. My name

2:22:22is Charles Rashad 16 for that. My wife

2:22:26Nancy

2:22:28is available to speak to you.

2:22:32>> Hi, my name is Nancy Mashad. I live at

2:22:3416 Sprawford Avenue. Um me and my

2:22:37husband were born and raised in

2:22:38Providence. Um our dream was to actually

2:22:43own a home and the first place we look

2:22:45was the city of Warwick. The reason that

2:22:47we loved it is because it's got that

2:22:49small town feeling.

2:22:52We don't want

2:22:55these type of housing complexes. This is

2:22:57why we move to Warwick to get away from

2:22:59that. We are trying to live the American

2:23:02dream and the city of War is the best

2:23:04city in the state of Rhode Island and we

2:23:07need to start treating it like that. We

2:23:09can't continue to overpop populate some

2:23:11of these things. One of the things that

2:23:14someone made a suggestion of is having a

2:23:16park. We don't have a walking park.

2:23:18Everyone in my neighborhood is always

2:23:22traveling, walking along the streets,

2:23:24which is dangerous in itself because we

2:23:26have cars that are going 60 miles an

2:23:28hour around these corners. Why not make

2:23:30it a walking park? Why not keep the

2:23:33building? I'm all for preservation of

2:23:36some of these buildings, and I think

2:23:38this needs to be one of them. I don't

2:23:41think that we should expand. I don't

2:23:42think we should put a comp apartment

2:23:44complexes in there or residents for up

2:23:47to 93 people. You can't do that when

2:23:51you're looking at the whole traffic

2:23:53situation. That's a whole other

2:23:55situation. I travel to Newport to work.

2:23:59It's a 40inut drive. You know where most

2:24:02of my time is spent? From Elwood Avenue

2:24:04on Post Road all the way to my house on

2:24:07Spaford Avenue. That takes up 12 minutes

2:24:11of a 38inute drive.

2:24:14That is unheard of. We cannot continue

2:24:18to do this. We need to make sure that we

2:24:20preserve these spaces for the

2:24:23neighborhood for future generations to

2:24:26be able to live here and be proud of the

2:24:28city of Warwick. If we continue to build

2:24:31these types of residential areas, like

2:24:35you said, that could be up to 91 units,

2:24:40we cannot survive. It's going to turn

2:24:43into Little Providence instead of the

2:24:45city of Warwick. So, we really need to

2:24:48look at this. Thank you for your time. I

2:24:50appreciate it.

2:24:56>> [cheering]

2:24:58>> Is there anyone else here to speak

2:25:00against the proposal?

2:25:02Is there anyone else here to speak

2:25:04against the proposal? Is there anyone

2:25:06else here to speak?

2:25:08Come on up.

2:25:24Hi there. My name's Kathleen Gage. I

2:25:27live on Rail Street.

2:25:29Um,

2:25:31I grew up on that street.

2:25:35I went not only to Aldrich, but I went

2:25:38to Christopher Rhodess Elementary

2:25:40School. When they knocked down

2:25:42Christopher Roads, it took years before

2:25:44they built things. They knocked every

2:25:47tree down.

2:25:51I hesitate to think that

2:25:55you're going to knock that school down

2:25:56and ruin that neighborhood. I don't

2:25:59understand why that school hasn't been

2:26:01used.

2:26:03Um,

2:26:05Gorton School was no, excuse me,

2:26:08Lockwood was made into elderly housing.

2:26:12I don't understand why this school

2:26:14wasn't used for elderly housing.

2:26:17Um

2:26:19when that school was closed

2:26:24somebody had said that this the school

2:26:26is it's blighted. If it's blighted

2:26:31it's because the the day they close that

2:26:34school they should have boarded every

2:26:36window. Of course children are going to

2:26:38throw rocks through the through the

2:26:40windows. That's what they do. I was

2:26:42walking my dog over there a couple of

2:26:44weeks ago and I stopped a little boy

2:26:46from throwing a rock through the window.

2:26:49This the city needs to be on top of this

2:26:52kind of stuff, but obviously we can't go

2:26:54backwards.

2:26:55Um

2:26:59when I grew up, Warwick was so pretty.

2:27:02It is not pretty anymore.

2:27:06There's no trees on Post Road. the the

2:27:09traffic that everybody's right. People

2:27:12speed through those neighborhoods. I was

2:27:13out walking and some guy almost hit me.

2:27:17I I went like, you know, slow down and

2:27:19he swore at me.

2:27:23I'm probably not making the point that

2:27:24all these other people have really

2:27:26eloquently made. But I think it would be

2:27:28a travesty to knock that down. And I

2:27:31think that the developers want to make

2:27:34money, but I agree. It's not going to

2:27:36benefit us.

2:27:42I think everybody else has pretty much

2:27:43said what I wanted to say. I just wanted

2:27:45to be on record and say it. Thank you so

2:27:48much.

2:27:52[applause]

2:27:54>> Is there anyone else here to speak

2:27:56against this proposal? Is anyone else

2:27:58here to speak against this proposal? Is

2:28:01there anyone else here to speak against

2:28:02this proposal? Come on up to the mic,

2:28:05please.

2:28:16[clears throat]

2:28:29Thank you. My name is Michael Hedley. I

2:28:33live on 64 Palm Boulevard.

2:28:36I've lived there since 1976.

2:28:40I look out my kitchen window, I see the

2:28:44school. I think I'm probably closer the

2:28:48only living person [laughter]

2:28:50closer to that school than anyone. What

2:28:53everyone has said here I agree with

2:28:56100%.

2:28:58In all the years I've looked out at that

2:29:00school, I've seen it deteriorate not the

2:29:04building but the neighborhood. We don't

2:29:07take care of the neighborhood. There's

2:29:09situations with homeless people. There's

2:29:13all these different things. I've

2:29:15traveled around the state of Rhode

2:29:17Island and I've been to many cities and

2:29:20towns and they all have beautiful parks.

2:29:26part of my retirement, I do some work

2:29:29for my son-in-law and I have to go out

2:29:31to these different cities and towns

2:29:33within our state and I see they're

2:29:36putting in beautiful parks

2:29:39with $100,000 worth of playground

2:29:43equipment for the kids. We have nothing.

2:29:46And to tear down the school is probably

2:29:51the only thing you can do. There was a

2:29:54golden opportunity several years ago. I

2:29:57don't think any of you gentlemen or I

2:29:59don't know you with the exception of Mr.

2:30:01Ricks were around, but that opportunity

2:30:05was to put a charter school in there and

2:30:07they were going to pay the city in lie

2:30:10of taxes. And because of political

2:30:13reasons,

2:30:15probably pressure from the teachers

2:30:17unions and whatever, that golden

2:30:20opportunity went away.

2:30:23My children went to Christopher Roads

2:30:26and they went to Aldridge. When

2:30:28Christopher Roads went vacant,

2:30:32it went out for bid several times. Now

2:30:35they're building nice houses up there.

2:30:38But the gentleman who put those in has

2:30:41passed away. And what he did, he came to

2:30:45the city and gave you a pot of gold. and

2:30:49all you had to do or your predecessors

2:30:52had to do was pick it up.

2:30:55Now,

2:30:57once the school was torn down and before

2:30:59those buildings went up, we had a major

2:31:03rat problem. I had rats running through

2:31:06my backyard.

2:31:08I had rat traps, burrows. I have a model

2:31:12train in my backyard.

2:31:15And unfortunately, I ran over some of

2:31:17the rats. I haven't heard from their

2:31:20lawyers about any suit. But when that

2:31:23school goes down, you're going to have

2:31:25rats. And once it's down, and whatever

2:31:30it takes to put something in there,

2:31:33you're going to have all the problems

2:31:35that these people have spoken about. The

2:31:38area is too congested. It can't take any

2:31:41more congestion. Why can't you just

2:31:44think? Use some imagination.

2:31:49Use the imagination that the people in

2:31:51Bristol, Bington,

2:31:54Richmond, you go around this state, you

2:31:57see the properties that they have for

2:31:59the people.

2:32:01That's what you people need to do. If no

2:32:05one's going to put it out, put a bid

2:32:07out. Every city and town puts bids out

2:32:10for parks, recreation.

2:32:13You need to be doing that. Another

2:32:16building, another apartment house, it's

2:32:19not needed.

2:32:21If I, as one other gentleman said, if I

2:32:23try to pull on to Post Road right now,

2:32:26it's it's a crapshoot if I'm going to

2:32:29get out there. We don't need more cars.

2:32:32We don't need more buildings. And like I

2:32:36said, it's time that you maybe thought

2:32:38about the community

2:32:40and the quality of life within the

2:32:43community. If you get more revenue for

2:32:46these buildings, you're going to blow it

2:32:48anyway.

2:32:50You've blown everything before and

2:32:52you're just going to do it. So that

2:32:54money is going to be shortlived. The

2:32:56money that this proposal is going to

2:32:57bring, it'll be a have no effect on

2:33:00these people whatsoever.

2:33:03But if you do something, use your

2:33:06imagination. Come up with another plan

2:33:10that's going to benefit the generations.

2:33:13Why do you think people are moving out

2:33:15of Rhode Island? Because it sucks and

2:33:19you have a chance to turn that around in

2:33:23this little area. And if this little

2:33:26area I mean I understood when I grew up

2:33:29this was the G green generation. We were

2:33:32going to have green spaces,

2:33:35not more pollution.

2:33:37So, I asked you please to think about

2:33:42something other than the almighty buck.

2:33:44Because honest to God, guys, you're

2:33:47going to blow it and it'll be gone

2:33:50before you know it. We pay so much in

2:33:52taxes,

2:33:54the place is disgrace. I ride around and

2:33:58I I can't believe where do you where do

2:34:00we put the money? Where does it go? And

2:34:04here's a chance to probably put

2:34:05something on the table. Thank you very

2:34:08much for your time.

2:34:11[applause]

2:34:18Is there anyone else here to speak

2:34:19against this project? Is there anyone

2:34:21else here to speak against this

2:34:22proposal? Is there anyone else here to

2:34:24speak against this proposal?

2:34:27>> Uh, director, a couple uh technical

2:34:30matters just to get on the record.

2:34:34>> Uh, the original proposal for lot 59 uh

2:34:39assessor's plot uh 288 was to change the

2:34:43the zoning from residence A7 to

2:34:45residence A7 with the planned district

2:34:47residential limited overlay. Correct.

2:34:51>> Right.

2:34:53Since that last meeting when this was

2:34:55first presented and that was the

2:34:56recommendation of the planning board

2:34:57that came to us, uh the city followed

2:35:00through with a subdivision

2:35:03um splitting this lot into two pieces.

2:35:07Lot 59 is it now is situated is

2:35:10comprised of the uh easterly portion of

2:35:14Post Road with beginning with the fire

2:35:15station and running into the rear of the

2:35:17property. Correct.

2:35:20>> Right. And the other portion that was

2:35:23subdivided is now identified as a new

2:35:27address of 789 Post Road and and is now

2:35:30lot 485.

2:35:33>> Correct.

2:35:35And the when the planning board met uh

2:35:38with this revised recommendation, it has

2:35:41been sent to us that the portion of what

2:35:45what remains of lot 59, the fire station

2:35:47and the rear portion is no longer being

2:35:50proposed for any changes.

2:35:52>> Right. and that the recommendation that

2:35:54the planning board has said to us is to

2:35:58consider amending the PCO 2326 to

2:36:02reflect the the only proposal is to

2:36:07provide a uh plan district residential

2:36:09overlay of what is now the Aldridge

2:36:12Junior High School uh parcel which is

2:36:15now lot 485.

2:36:19>> Right. It's the same same decision. And

2:36:22it's a smaller parcel

2:36:23>> and no no waiverss otherwise.

2:36:28>> No, we have no development application.

2:36:30So there would be no waiverss requested.

2:36:32>> Thank you. I just wanted to get the

2:36:33technicals on the record.

2:36:38>> Is there anyone here wishes to speak on

2:36:40this proposal?

2:36:42Is there anyone else here who wishes to

2:36:44speak on this proposal?

2:36:47Is there anyone else here who wishes to

2:36:49speak on this proposal?

2:36:52In that case, do we have a motion?

2:36:57>> Move to close the public hearing.

2:37:00>> Seconded by Councilman Lasser and

2:37:01Councilman Muno. Is there any discussion

2:37:03on the motion?

2:37:05>> Seeing none, you have discussion on the

2:37:08motion.

2:37:09>> Oh, uh, no discussion on the motion.

2:37:11Just further questions afterwards.

2:37:13>> Got it. All right. So, seeing no

2:37:15discussion on the motion, clerk will

2:37:16please call the role.

2:37:20Yes,

2:37:26>> Mr. Douise.

2:37:28>> Yes,

2:37:29>> Mr. Foley.

2:37:30>> Yes,

2:37:30>> Mr. Ghart.

2:37:31>> Yes,

2:37:31>> Mr. Kirby.

2:37:33>> Yes,

2:37:34>> Mr. Liser.

2:37:35>> Yes,

2:37:35>> Mr. Mudo.

2:37:36>> Yes,

2:37:37>> Mr. Nappa.

2:37:38>> Yes,

2:37:38>> Mr. Ricks.

2:37:39>> Yes.

2:37:40>> 90. All

2:37:41>> right, the public hearing stands closed.

2:37:43Councilman Ricks. So, a few things that

2:37:48uh I'd want to go over here. Uh some

2:37:51questions more appropriately directed to

2:37:53the planning director, but one question

2:37:55for the chief of staff

2:38:11chief staff. Thank you. You've heard how

2:38:14important this property is to the people

2:38:16of Ward 2.

2:38:18I've also received a lot of emails.

2:38:20Obviously, there's high attendance here

2:38:22tonight from people who live in the

2:38:24area. This is an area that it used to

2:38:27have a lot more than it does now. Back

2:38:30in the 80s into the '9s, there was Kids

2:38:33Kingdom.

2:38:35Even more recently, it had an elementary

2:38:38school and a junior high. Both are now

2:38:42gone.

2:38:45Now, the closest recreation aside from

2:38:48that field right behind the Aldridge

2:38:51building, which is well, the tennis

2:38:54courts are in very rough shape.

2:38:57The field itself, yeah, can be used for

2:39:00some sports, but there's really not much

2:39:03there in terms of recreation unless

2:39:06somebody goes across post road to the

2:39:08pit or all the way over to Belmont Park,

2:39:12which is a sports park, or on over again

2:39:15across Post Road to Hollowan for the

2:39:18playground there. What I'm getting at is

2:39:20that there isn't exactly a lot of say

2:39:23stroller or young kid accessible

2:39:26recreation over there and the

2:39:28neighborhood's lost a lot and

2:39:32the existing building there.

2:39:36Uh, I was honestly I'm a little bit

2:39:39surprised hearing a lot of the feedback

2:39:40from the residents because I suppose the

2:39:43experience of Roads Elementary School,

2:39:46that blighted old building and how

2:39:48people eventually when it became clear

2:39:50that there was no use for it wanted it

2:39:53to be torn down.

2:39:55Uh, Aldridge is different. So,

2:39:59I guess a couple of questions here. The

2:40:02first one being,

2:40:04is there anything any way

2:40:08can we think outside of the box here?

2:40:10Think creatively. Is there anything that

2:40:13the city can do to keep that building

2:40:17up, keep it safe, use it for any

2:40:19purpose, or alternatively,

2:40:23is there any way for the city to come up

2:40:26with the resources working with this

2:40:28city council to keep that land, come up

2:40:33with the money more or less? I know that

2:40:36the estimate is 1.8 8 million. Obviously

2:40:38a little bit different from a bid, but

2:40:42looking at those two possible

2:40:44alternatives,

2:40:46and it's okay if you don't have an

2:40:48answer tonight, but is it at all

2:40:50feasible for us as a city to look at one

2:40:54of one or both of those alternatives to

2:40:56see what we can do there?

2:40:59>> So, Councilman, um,

2:41:02right now I do not have an answer as you

2:41:04mentioned. Um, and just I just want to

2:41:06correct um the tennis courts were

2:41:09recently redone by a girl scout um like

2:41:11an Eagle Scout type project and she took

2:41:14it upon herself to to redo some of the

2:41:17make improvements to those um tennis

2:41:19squads and I just wanted to you know

2:41:20commend her for doing that and they they

2:41:22came out really nice. Um but right now

2:41:25there there is no feasible [snorts]

2:41:27alternative um to save the building. Um

2:41:31it's a you know a building that has 145

2:41:35almost 200page environmental report on

2:41:39it between asbestous and other um

2:41:42chemicals and compounds that are uh in

2:41:44it um that need to be remediated. Um it

2:41:48has been closed. When you close a

2:41:51building they tend to deteriorate faster

2:41:54than when they're open. Um kids have

2:41:56broken into it. Um, police departments

2:41:59have used it for training. Um, the city

2:42:02did some work on it um, back under a

2:42:04previous administration. Um, so right

2:42:07now at this meeting, no, there is none.

2:42:10Um, we always are always, um, when

2:42:13people say there are no parks in the

2:42:15city of Warwick. Um, I take offense to

2:42:17that. There are plenty of pocks. Um, we

2:42:19spend hundreds of thousands of dollars.

2:42:21Um, $600,000 right in the back of this

2:42:24city hall on a playground. Um it may not

2:42:27be in the Aldridge area, but there are

2:42:29some beautiful parks and recreation

2:42:31opportunities throughout the city. Um

2:42:33both state and city- owned. Um the city

2:42:36is always looking for grants and

2:42:39opportunities to make improvements. The

2:42:41land and back is land and water

2:42:43conservation land. Um improvements to

2:42:46that could be possible through grant

2:42:48funding. Um, I'm not sure where the city

2:42:51council or the city would be able to get

2:42:53grants to um demolish

2:42:56uh almost $2 million, $2 million without

2:43:00going out to bid bid um building. Um

2:43:03back in the day, they built those

2:43:04buildings like shelters, bomb shelters,

2:43:06and that one is an actual fallout

2:43:09shelter. I believe it had the the little

2:43:11sign on the corner. Um this is a it's a

2:43:15tough um building to save. But we're

2:43:18always looking at opportunities for

2:43:20grants for the for the back of the

2:43:22property. Um the pop the parcels that

2:43:25are covered in the landing conservation

2:43:26land and water conservation restrictions

2:43:29that were taken in the 70s. Um but as of

2:43:33tonight I can't answer that whether we

2:43:36have a if it's feasible or not.

2:43:42Thank you.

2:43:43you know, have a little poll of the uh

2:43:47public here. I know this is a little

2:43:49unorthodox, but if I'm I'll give a

2:43:53couple of options here. If the two

2:43:56options, say option A is keep the status

2:44:01quo, keep the building up,

2:44:04see what might happen in the future,

2:44:08may or may not come up with a better

2:44:10possibility, but keep the building up,

2:44:16leave the options open.

2:44:18Or option B,

2:44:22take the building down. that is put it

2:44:25out to bid, have a private developer

2:44:28that would take it down and

2:44:32basically see what those uh potential

2:44:35bids are. Obviously, any bid process,

2:44:39that's going to be whole process that we

2:44:41go through as a city and city council,

2:44:43many steps along the way. But what I'm

2:44:45asking is option A, basically status

2:44:49quo,

2:44:50keep the building up, understand that

2:44:53it's probably going to be sitting there

2:44:55vacant and not getting better, but

2:44:58who knows? Maybe the opportunity

2:45:00presents itself. or option B, go forward

2:45:04with a process that is most likely going

2:45:08to get bids to take the building down

2:45:12and probably looking at residential.

2:45:19Understanding too, of course, that

2:45:22uh if we only get proposals that are

2:45:25unacceptable, we have the power to

2:45:27reject them.

2:45:29How many would be more supportive of

2:45:31option A leaving it up there?

2:45:35And how many would be more supportive of

2:45:38option B? Take it or excuse me, uh start

2:45:42that bid process, see where that takes

2:45:46us and either accept or reject depending

2:45:49on well what it looks like. But

2:45:53understanding that it's probably going

2:45:54to wind up with the building being taken

2:45:56down.

2:46:04>> So we we unfortunately can't hear from

2:46:07the public anymore due to public hearing

2:46:09portion of this being closed. It's a

2:46:11legitimate question.

2:46:19>> So, uh, Councilman Rex is more than

2:46:21welcome to ask any questions he sees

2:46:23fit, but unfortunately, uh, the public

2:46:25hearing portion is now closed.

2:46:27>> So, question for the city planner or

2:46:29chief of staff. Has there been soil

2:46:32testing?

2:46:41As I mentioned

2:46:44before, there's 145 or 200page

2:46:46environmental report. Um, I believe it

2:46:49concentrates mostly on the building.

2:46:51They may have done some borings in the

2:46:53area of the the school. Um, but most of

2:46:57the environmental issues would be in the

2:47:00the footprint of the school.

2:47:03>> Yeah, that that's my recollection, too.

2:47:05it. I know that there was some testing

2:47:07at the time of the bid with uh with wind

2:47:10development.

2:47:12So,

2:47:14you know, I did get a lot of emails,

2:47:18a lot of emails, mixed support, some in

2:47:22favor of going forward with the bidding

2:47:24process, which to be clear,

2:47:27what's on the table, what's being

2:47:29proposed, it's no longer the 93 units.

2:47:32That's something that I had some

2:47:35conversations with the city about. Had a

2:47:37lot of conversations with neighbors. It

2:47:40was clear that 93 units was in that one

2:47:43big building was clearly unacceptable.

2:47:46So that led to the current proposal

2:47:49which is a maximum of 57 units. So I

2:47:54know that there were some comments

2:47:55earlier talking about the 93. the 93

2:47:59that is not what's being proposed here

2:48:01tonight. But you know what? based on all

2:48:05of the feedback that I'm getting here

2:48:08and how from the neighbors, those who

2:48:11would be most affected by a vacant

2:48:15building such as this,

2:48:18neighbors aren't coming here clamoring

2:48:20about, hey, we can't have a blighted old

2:48:23building sitting next to our our land

2:48:26indefinitely here. I'm hearing instead

2:48:29from the neighbors, those most affected

2:48:31by it, that let's keep hope alive. Let's

2:48:35see what we can do. Can we come up with

2:48:37something, anything, even if it's

2:48:38unlikely, try to save that building.

2:48:44And so, you know what? That's where I

2:48:46stand. Let's keep hope alive.

2:48:51[applause]

2:48:52[cheering]

2:48:55Yeah. So I would like to thank the

2:48:57planning department, the administration

2:48:59for working hard on this for uh coming

2:49:03up with a plan and especially and I know

2:49:06all the residents really do appreciate

2:49:08this part of it separating out the field

2:49:11in the back making sure that that is not

2:49:14part of any bid going out there. That is

2:49:16huge. So thank you. Thank you. And I

2:49:20would like to uh just speak to my

2:49:23colleagues here. one of those few

2:49:25occasions uh that I'm actually allowed

2:49:28to talk to you all at the same time

2:49:30without breaking some sort of open

2:49:32meetings act. So I would urge you based

2:49:36on the feedback from the residents of W

2:49:382 and those who live immediately next to

2:49:41the property, everything I'm hearing is

2:49:45that

2:49:46uh from the folks in this room and the

2:49:50sense that I'm getting from so many

2:49:52other conversations

2:49:54is that the support from the

2:49:57neighborhood is behind

2:50:00let's give this a shot to try to

2:50:02preserve the building. And procedurally,

2:50:05the way that we do that is not to go

2:50:08ahead and change the zoning at this time

2:50:10to allow for potentially more units. The

2:50:13way to do that is to leave the zoning as

2:50:16it is right now and see what we can do.

2:50:20See if there's a possibility when going

2:50:22out to bid.

2:50:24Can we find a developer? Can we find

2:50:27anyone? Can we come up with some

2:50:29alternative solution here? something

2:50:32creative, maybe

2:50:35find a way to try to save that building.

2:50:38So, that's where I stand on this. Thank

2:50:40you.

2:50:43[applause]

2:50:43[cheering]

2:50:49Councilman, do you want to mention the

2:50:51rat mitigation program while you have a

2:50:53moment?

2:50:57>> Thank you. So, my recommendation would

2:51:00be to vote no on the resoning at this

2:51:05time. And I see that there are other

2:51:07lights on. So, I would wait for uh my

2:51:11colleagues to speak before I formally

2:51:13make that a motion.

2:51:15>> All right. Councilman, I don't know who

2:51:17was first, so I apologize. Oh, we got a

2:51:19f Councilman Nappa.

2:51:24>> Thank uh just a question for the

2:51:26director.

2:51:29>> [clears throat]

2:51:30>> Well, first I want to thank everyone

2:51:32here for taking the time out of your

2:51:33nights again to show up on the second

2:51:35occasion to speak on this. Some of you

2:51:37for a second time. Some of the new faces

2:51:38here we're seeing for the first time.

2:51:40Please keep showing up. We recognize

2:51:42that you're taking your time to bring it

2:51:44here. We need to hear from you. We need

2:51:46to see this sort of outpouring from the

2:51:48community so that we can make informed

2:51:50decisions based on what the community

2:51:51actually wants. because without you

2:51:52here, without your voices, we're just

2:51:55shooting from the hip, guessing at what

2:51:57people actually want. So, thank you for

2:51:59showing up and please continue to do so

2:52:00as issues develop. Um, director,

2:52:05I just want to get a better

2:52:06understanding of where we stand as of

2:52:09today. So,

2:52:11speaking listening to my colleague,

2:52:13Councilman Ricks, talk about keeping

2:52:14hope alive and maybe preserving that

2:52:16building since the previous developer

2:52:18sort of dropped the ball and flown

2:52:20floundered the whole scenario. Um,

2:52:24has it gone out to bid again? Has the

2:52:26city represented it to see if there's

2:52:28any other hope out there for someone

2:52:30that wants to come in and develop that

2:52:31building as it stands?

2:52:34>> No, I was waiting to see what this

2:52:35outcome would be before bidding it.

2:52:39Would the administration be opposed to

2:52:41testing the waters so to speak to see

2:52:44what we might be able to come up with?

2:52:45>> Absolutely. I think it's I can bid it as

2:52:47is.

2:52:48>> What's the what does that process look

2:52:49like just so that we can understand like

2:52:51the cost to the city? Is there any

2:52:52downside to that?

2:52:54>> No. No, there's no downside. We had

2:52:56amended an ordinance that allows the

2:52:58city to bid properties more efficiently.

2:53:01Uh 219 2-9 I think it was. Um, so I'll

2:53:05just go in accordance with that like we

2:53:07did in previous schools and we'll

2:53:10advertise it probably for a minimum of

2:53:12three weeks, maybe four. Some some

2:53:16developers might want to walk through

2:53:17it, you know. Um, but I don't see why

2:53:22it's something we can't turn around in a

2:53:24couple of months.

2:53:26>> Okay. Um, I guess my next question then

2:53:29is just from your expertise.

2:53:32I'd assume that it's unlikely we get a

2:53:34bidder that is willing to drop $2

2:53:36million into demolishing that building

2:53:39and then also developing

2:53:41a public space to put up a handicap

2:53:44accessible playground [clears throat]

2:53:46and making it like a community

2:53:48development investment. I I think I

2:53:51would love that, but I is that likely

2:53:53that we get something along those lines?

2:53:59>> It's unlikely.

2:54:00>> Okay. I mean, phil philanthropy

2:54:02withstanding, I mean, could happen

2:54:06>> and it would be a substantial

2:54:07undertaking for the city to do that, I'd

2:54:10imagine. I mean, you're probably talking

2:54:11about $3 million plus.

2:54:12>> Yeah. Yeah. For a city. Yeah. For a city

2:54:15to demo the project, you you've got to

2:54:18consider Davis Bacon wages. It's going

2:54:19to add 27% or so to any project. You

2:54:23know, the private sector demolishing it

2:54:25should that happen, they would certainly

2:54:27be able to do it cheaper than the city

2:54:28could.

2:54:30And then just so the public can

2:54:31understand our process here, what we're

2:54:34looking at is just to change the overlay

2:54:36so that maybe there's more options being

2:54:38able to be presented and whatever

2:54:39options come forward with biders, it

2:54:41comes back and all these folks can come

2:54:43back and speak against let's say six

2:54:45different projects that get presented,

2:54:47we can pick the best out of all of them

2:54:48or we could pick none of them. Is that

2:54:50right a fair assessment?

2:54:51>> Right. It's very clear. I'm going to put

2:54:53in this requirement that they they

2:54:56provide at least a conceptual design of

2:54:58what they want to do. And that's going

2:55:00to be factored along with price.

2:55:01>> Yeah.

2:55:03>> For what it's worth, I ran some numbers.

2:55:05If if a developer wanted to build single

2:55:08family homes at the same density of the

2:55:10neighborhood that surrounds it, the A7

2:55:12zone, it yields about 29 units, but

2:55:16you've got to account for roadway and

2:55:18drainage. So, you're probably looking at

2:55:2020 23 24 units maybe if it were single

2:55:24family. So, by way of maybe a thumbs up

2:55:27would be more be more apt to say 25

2:55:31single family homes versus

2:55:34>> I mean I wouldn't pigeon hole yourself

2:55:37now,

2:55:37>> right?

2:55:38>> Why not leave the flexibility? I'm just

2:55:40saying what could come back.

2:55:41>> Yeah,

2:55:41>> that's an option too.

2:55:43>> I was just wondering what people's

2:55:45thoughts are on that. Um All right. So,

2:55:47I guess listening to what you've just

2:55:49said, I would be in support of testing

2:55:52the waters again, see if there's any

2:55:54hope out there at all. If there is a

2:55:55developer, an angel, someone that comes

2:55:57in and says, "Let's keep that historic

2:55:58building. Let's put the money and

2:56:00there's a use that I can make of it."

2:56:02That would be my position, I think, at

2:56:03this juncture. Um, to see if that option

2:56:07is still on the table or if it's dead in

2:56:09the water. And then I would certainly be

2:56:12more apt to entertain a zone change.

2:56:14That's just this councilman speaking. I

2:56:16don't know what the rest of my

2:56:17colleagues might say and I think testing

2:56:18the water might not be a bad idea.

2:56:21That's all I have.

2:56:35>> Your wife's back on council.

2:56:39>> Thank you, Mr. President. Uh Chief

2:56:50Has the uh city looked into any historic

2:56:55building grants to uh save the building?

2:56:59We've looked into historic grants for

2:57:02other buildings and there are none

2:57:05available. not to the magnitude

2:57:09that and developers are usually more apt

2:57:13to get historic tax credits than the

2:57:17city because we're not going to be

2:57:19developing it, redeveloping it um into

2:57:22something other than whatever it is

2:57:25there now. It's a school. Um, so we have

2:57:28not looked in specifically for this, but

2:57:29we've looked in for um other projects in

2:57:33the city and they are they just they're

2:57:36not there.

2:57:38Okay. Uh, the city currently has a parks

2:57:44and recreation committee that's active

2:57:47assessing all the parks and recreation

2:57:49facilities throughout the city. Is this

2:57:52one of those locations that could be put

2:57:56into that commission for the land in the

2:57:59back of the school?

2:58:00>> Yes, possibly. I mean, I think it is.

2:58:02It's It's a field that we have, but for

2:58:05the Aldridge property itself, the I

2:58:08don't I don't I don't know.

2:58:09>> Okay.

2:58:10>> There are two members of the committee

2:58:12on the council. So,

2:58:13>> all right.

2:58:14>> I didn't know I didn't know in the last

2:58:16time you guys met. And last but not

2:58:20least, any um any work with our federal

2:58:24delegation because they seem to get us

2:58:26millions of dollars for other projects

2:58:28throughout the city. Any engagement with

2:58:31them for the Aldidge property. So

2:58:34there's right now the city doesn't have

2:58:36a reuse plan for the Aldidge property.

2:58:38So we without a plan to use that

2:58:41building

2:58:42>> for something which we have no plan, no

2:58:45interest in using that building. Um, we

2:58:47don't have a need for that building.

2:58:50There was talk back when the annex

2:58:52building was closed that um, we used

2:58:56that building for the new city hall

2:58:58annex. Um, that was n because it was too

2:59:01far from this building. Um,

2:59:05but um, so right now we have no plan for

2:59:08that building. So to use to to reach out

2:59:11to our federal delegation with just a

2:59:14plan to

2:59:16uh I mean just put new windows and clean

2:59:20up the building would not go well.

2:59:23>> Okay. Thank you. That's all I have for

2:59:26now.

2:59:28>> Councilman Lacer.

2:59:31>> Thank you. Um I have a question

2:59:34[clears throat] for both the chief and

2:59:36the planning director.

2:59:44Chief, we'll start with you. Are you

2:59:48aware of or have [clears throat]

2:59:51has any developers, assuming this

2:59:56variance passes? Has any developers or

3:00:00contractors

3:00:02or any business entity expressed any

3:00:06interest in moving forward with this

3:00:10project or a project over there if this

3:00:12passes?

3:00:14I I haven't received any contact or

3:00:17calls. Um I believe the planning

3:00:19director may have received something and

3:00:21I believe there's um been some

3:00:23discussions. Um, someone has reached out

3:00:27to the mayor to have someone tour the

3:00:30building. Um, other than that, they've

3:00:32been just speculative.

3:00:36>> It's not contingent on this positive

3:00:38zoning. This is the request to change

3:00:42this zoning on this property was um

3:00:49started because when WIN had the

3:00:52property they had to go through the

3:00:54process of getting the the PDR and the

3:00:58density increase through their process.

3:01:00So the process we the thought was we

3:01:02could expedite that process by making it

3:01:04more advantageous for a developer

3:01:06whoever that may be whether it's for one

3:01:09unit maybe someone from the Aldridge

3:01:10family comes down and buys it and puts a

3:01:12big mansion there or um up to whatever

3:01:16number they can build there um just to

3:01:19make it more marketable um because that

3:01:22was the interest of the city and the

3:01:24council to get the the property back to

3:01:28you know efficient use and back on the

3:01:30tax rolls because it's just it's sitting

3:01:33there and we do not have the funds to

3:01:35one knock it down and two to rehab it.

3:01:40>> Okay. So,

3:01:41>> so your answer to the answer to the

3:01:44question was no.

3:01:45>> Okay. So,

3:01:46>> I'm not aware of

3:01:47>> You are not aware nor has anyone

3:01:49approached expressing interest in

3:01:52>> to me personally? No.

3:01:53>> Yes.

3:01:53>> Okay.

3:01:53>> No.

3:01:54>> And you're not aware of anything? I I

3:01:56believe the planning director has had

3:01:58people reach out to him.

3:02:00>> All right. Good. Thank you. Um Director

3:02:02Kravitz,

3:02:05>> so the same question. Um has any

3:02:09business entity, developer, contractor,

3:02:13etc. um reached out to you or expressed

3:02:16interest to you directly or indirectly

3:02:20in doing something with this property.

3:02:23Should this zoning variance be approved?

3:02:30>> Yes, they've reached out to me. They're

3:02:32watching this closely. We haven't had

3:02:35specific conversations about the zoning

3:02:37change.

3:02:39>> Okay.

3:02:41uh through the chair to Councilman

3:02:43Ricks.

3:02:45You had

3:02:48spoken about

3:02:50possibly um leaving this as it is in its

3:02:54current zoning form for a period of time

3:02:59to see if something could be done to

3:03:02save the building, make it um

3:03:07a piece of property in that neighborhood

3:03:10that is conducive to the neighborhood.

3:03:15What would your time frame be that this

3:03:19has been sitting here for quite some

3:03:22time? Um, there has been other things.

3:03:26What would your time frame be in asking

3:03:31this body to allow for additional time

3:03:36to

3:03:37develop that building as opposed to tear

3:03:39it down?

3:03:44through the chair uh through the council

3:03:46president that is

3:03:50I don't have a specific time frame here.

3:03:54I think it's something that we have to

3:03:57be uh comfortable that we're giving

3:03:59enough time to the city to the planning

3:04:02department

3:04:03have to let them go out to bid see what

3:04:06comes back. I think that after a bid

3:04:10process with sufficient advertising with

3:04:15uh not just the advertising but active

3:04:19outreach

3:04:21I think that uh perhaps we'll have a

3:04:23better sense after we go through that

3:04:26process and so I do think that it would

3:04:29be appropriate for

3:04:32uh regardless of what happens with that

3:04:35next bidding process

3:04:38Let's say that if it weren't going to

3:04:41work out with that bidding process, then

3:04:43I would say that we would probably be

3:04:46looking at uh reintroducing

3:04:50something

3:04:51uh before the council, whether what's

3:04:54currently before us or in some other

3:04:56form, but

3:04:59that is if that next bidding isn't

3:05:03successful. And so at that point I would

3:05:06just say I would suggest that at that

3:05:08point uh it would be appropriate for a

3:05:11new round of notice. do it fresh, not uh

3:05:16hold this particular matter.

3:05:19Uh especially since that could create

3:05:22some confusion

3:05:24uh while there's an active bidding

3:05:28process.

3:05:30>> Uh through the council president to

3:05:33council Ricks.

3:05:36So

3:05:38just so everyone in the audience is

3:05:40aware, this is an ordinance. So, it will

3:05:43require two votes. There'll be a vote

3:05:45tonight and then there'll be another

3:05:47vote before anything becomes effective.

3:05:51Um, with that said, Councilman Ricks, so

3:05:53it is your request to

3:05:59um for an unfavorable action on this

3:06:03PCO23-26.

3:06:05>> Correct.

3:06:06>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. President.

3:06:11Councilman De Louuise,

3:06:14>> Director Kravitz, um just clarify a

3:06:18couple of things for me as the zoning

3:06:21stands now. Okay. How many single family

3:06:24homes would be

3:06:27um

3:06:29allowed and how many like if it was a

3:06:31apartment complexes, how many units?

3:06:34>> So single family homes. So single family

3:06:37homes,

3:06:38simply dividing the math, you come up

3:06:40with 29 units. But of course, you got to

3:06:42put the road in in drainage. So you're

3:06:44going to compromise.

3:06:46So I'm guessing anywhere between 22 to

3:06:4824 maybe single family homes.

3:06:50>> Okay.

3:06:51>> And it's about 56

3:06:53units if if you were to go with the PDR

3:06:57overlay.

3:06:58>> That's 12 units an acre,

3:07:00>> right? But as it stands now,

3:07:03>> you're looking at about

3:07:04>> how many units? a single family project,

3:07:06maybe 23 houses, I'm guessing. I mean,

3:07:09you got to put the road in,

3:07:10>> right? But apartments, how many?

3:07:13>> About 56.

3:07:14>> As the zoning stands now,

3:07:19if it stays the way it is now,

3:07:21>> as the zoning stands now, anything more

3:07:23than two units, developers come here and

3:07:26ask you

3:07:29>> and they're called PDR overlays.

3:07:31>> Okay, man. I don't know if you're

3:07:33understanding

3:07:34>> duplexes are allowed by special use

3:07:36permit.

3:07:39Anything else above that, they come

3:07:40here.

3:07:42>> Okay,

3:07:43>> that's the way to think of it.

3:07:45>> Billy, Councilman, um the the way the

3:07:48zoning ordinance is written, the city

3:07:50council has jurisdiction over anything

3:07:53over three units. So if you build a

3:07:56apartment complex of more than three

3:07:59unit three or more units that would come

3:08:02to the city council as it stands the

3:08:03zoning stands now duplexes are are

3:08:07through the zoning board through the the

3:08:10special use permit. So when when you ask

3:08:13the question how many apartments can you

3:08:15build as it stands right now? You can't

3:08:18answer that question because you have

3:08:20the council has to approve it if it's

3:08:22anything more than two.

3:08:25apartments. So, the duplexes.

3:08:28So, it's one. So, it's the the single

3:08:31family homes are are 20. You said 20 to

3:08:3424, so on 23,

3:08:36>> but the apartments you'd have to come to

3:08:37to zoning. If you you take the acreage

3:08:41and if you put two units on the lot,

3:08:44you'd have to still do that math for

3:08:46density.

3:08:47So, you it's kind of a question you

3:08:49can't really answer on the spot.

3:08:52So, without because

3:08:54you ha an apartment complex has to come

3:08:56before the council.

3:08:59>> Okay. Well,

3:09:00>> so there's there's no way to answer that

3:09:02question based on so if they build three

3:09:06apartments they have to come to council.

3:09:09So right now they can build two

3:09:13that's without going to council.

3:09:15Anything above that, you know, I think

3:09:18wind was

3:09:21so the previous developer wind

3:09:23development was 63 units,

3:09:27>> right? And they with with the zoning in

3:09:29place the way

3:09:30>> zoning in place, but that they'd have to

3:09:32come here.

3:09:33>> They would have had to come here. They

3:09:35>> That's what the capacity

3:09:36>> they were I'm sorry. They were adaptive

3:09:38reuse. So if they if they use that

3:09:40building, they were able to get the 63.

3:09:43>> Okay. All right. But to knock that

3:09:45building down and it's not over.

3:09:55All right. So,

3:09:58we do have a couple things going on. Um,

3:10:02one, can we first get the right proposal

3:10:06before us? So, there was a proposed sub

3:10:09A which is not before us yet. Can we get

3:10:12that before us and then we can talk

3:10:14about what we want to do there? So just

3:10:16someone needs to move to amend

3:10:18so that we can adopt the sub a that

3:10:20doesn't mean favorable or unfavorable.

3:10:22It just means now the correct thing is

3:10:24before us.

3:10:25>> I move the amendment

3:10:27>> seconded by councilman muto. All right.

3:10:31I assume you need the roll call. All

3:10:33right. Any further discussion on just

3:10:36getting the amendment before us? All

3:10:39right. Seeing none, clerk will please

3:10:41call the role.

3:10:46>> Yes.

3:10:47>> Louise,

3:10:48>> yes.

3:10:49>> Mr. Foley,

3:10:50>> yes.

3:10:51>> Mr. Gart,

3:10:52>> yes.

3:10:53>> Mr. Kirby,

3:10:54>> yes.

3:10:55>> Mr. Liser,

3:10:56>> yes.

3:10:57>> Mr. Mutoo,

3:10:57>> yes.

3:10:58>> Mr. Nappa,

3:10:59>> yes.

3:10:59>> Mr. Ricks,

3:11:00>> yes.

3:11:01>> Nine favorable action.

3:11:03>> All right. And now based on everything

3:11:04I've heard, it sounds like the

3:11:07the goal is to

3:11:11move forward with the hope that the bids

3:11:13that come in will give some path forward

3:11:15that's acceptable or at least more

3:11:18desirable than the alternatives.

3:11:20because of a weird quirk right now in

3:11:22our rules. If we deny the request, it

3:11:27will will be blocked for a year for any

3:11:33tweaks to this. So, if a proposal came

3:11:36in

3:11:38that was great and everybody loved it,

3:11:41but it would require a zoning change, am

3:11:44I accurately conveying that? Then we

3:11:46would be blocked from doing so for that

3:11:48one-year time frame. Yes. Uh pursuant to

3:11:51rule 38 of the council rules, the um the

3:11:55effect of a denial or withdrawing a

3:11:58zoning change uh precludes uh the same

3:12:02or substantially similar uh proposals

3:12:04for one year from the date of uh its

3:12:07denial or withdrawal.

3:12:10So that being the case and given what

3:12:12everybody said as far as what the the

3:12:14goal is, my suggestion would be to hold

3:12:16this till whatever date makes sense for

3:12:19Councilman or Councilman Fer to Director

3:12:21Kravitz to be able to get the RFPs out,

3:12:25receive bids, and then from there we

3:12:28figure out what happens next. And then

3:12:30if at that time it turns out the PDL is

3:12:35desirable, then it's there and ready to

3:12:36go. And if or if it turns out based on

3:12:38the bids PDL is not desirable, it seems

3:12:42certain that it'll just be motion for

3:12:44unfavorable at that time.

3:12:46>> Uh a point of order, a question

3:12:50uh

3:12:52through the president to the council

3:12:53solicitor.

3:12:55If the vote were on the original 93 unit

3:13:01proposal that resoning to allow a 93

3:13:04unit rather than the proposal to allow

3:13:08this particular PDR that was well

3:13:13effectively proposed to be heard this

3:13:15evening. If the vote were on the earlier

3:13:21matter without the amendment,

3:13:24would voting on that earlier matter

3:13:29uh preclude the

3:13:32amendment for that one-year period?

3:13:39the the intention of the rule is to not

3:13:42have the same or substantially the same

3:13:44matters routinely um refiled. And so the

3:13:50the rule is in place to try and

3:13:52encourage uh essentially one record uh

3:13:57one chain of events. um and if there's

3:14:00action or inaction on it, it it happens

3:14:02through that mechanism and that it's not

3:14:04uh constantly refiled in different

3:14:06manners that um may confuse people about

3:14:09the particular property underlying it.

3:14:13So by

3:14:16making the amendment this evening as the

3:14:19council has done to conform with the

3:14:21updated recommendation from the planning

3:14:23board, you have an update, you have a

3:14:25revised matter. It is available to act

3:14:28on, it is available to not act on or is

3:14:31it in in the time frame that the council

3:14:33wishes. So right now you have maximum

3:14:36discretion

3:14:38uh as it's currently situated. Um the

3:14:40only difference would be if you were to

3:14:42withdraw the matter or uh vote

3:14:46unfavorable on the matter, the intention

3:14:48of the rule would be to stop that from

3:14:50being re uh that for that parcel to be

3:14:53uh considered for any future changes for

3:14:56another year.

3:14:57>> The parcel rather than the particular

3:14:59proposal in question.

3:15:00>> Now it's it's a little quirky because we

3:15:02had a subdivision that intervened into

3:15:04this. So under the spirit of the rule,

3:15:06it's intended to uh preclude anything on

3:15:09that property altogether.

3:15:11>> Okay, I understand. In that case,

3:15:15instead of setting this for a date

3:15:18certain,

3:15:20can we simply

3:15:22uh table this so that we're not uh

3:15:27setting some sort of date certain

3:15:30uh that we uh you know effectively have

3:15:36everyone come on back even though we

3:15:39might need more time or less time.

3:15:52I'm making you work. [laughter]

3:15:54>> It's It's an interesting [clears throat]

3:15:55question. If it helps, the

3:15:56administration be favorable in holding

3:15:58this until January to give us time to go

3:16:00out to bid, see what is out there, and

3:16:03then

3:16:06>> I I

3:16:08>> it's my opinion it'd be cleaner to

3:16:10provide a a date certain at in the out

3:16:14however far is necessary to complete the

3:16:16tasks requested. um not to rush the

3:16:19matter back, but to provide ample time

3:16:21to complete uh the steps that have been

3:16:25requested that that the administration

3:16:27appears to be amanable to to try. So, I

3:16:30think it's cleaner to try and figure out

3:16:33what that date may look like.

3:16:37>> I'm not sure there's a a form of hold

3:16:40that exists. That's what you're thinking

3:16:41of, Councilman Rex. I'm looking to see

3:16:44if we're forgetting something. But

3:16:47>> interestingly, we have available for us

3:16:50later this evening a first draft of what

3:16:52the next council calendar would look

3:16:53like uh for 2027. So, um we don't know

3:16:57the date specifics. So, a

3:17:00>> a first or second meeting. first meeting

3:17:02month maybe um or first meeting of a

3:17:05month would probably be be the most

3:17:08precise we can give for this time period

3:17:15for the moment I'm going to just suggest

3:17:18that we give ourselves sufficient time

3:17:20here and I don't want this process to be

3:17:24rushed I would suggest

3:17:28Monday April 5th 2027 7.

3:17:33>> That might be too long.

3:17:35>> I'm not I'm not sure what happens in the

3:17:37meantime if we get a bid that you've got

3:17:39you may like if we can revisit any zone

3:17:43change with a date set in April. I think

3:17:46January would give us enough time to go

3:17:48out to bid, find out what is out there,

3:17:51and then again the council opens the

3:17:53bids. You'll know you you know what the

3:17:55bids are. and for community outreach and

3:17:59input. Uh I think April will be way too

3:18:02long.

3:18:04Uh, if I may,

3:18:06uh, to the council solicitor, would

3:18:09there be anything preventing us from

3:18:12scheduling it for an earlier date, say

3:18:15in January?

3:18:17Uh, if we set the date for April for now

3:18:23and then determine that, okay, we can

3:18:25move this up to an earlier date. I just

3:18:27don't want to be creating a situation

3:18:30where we have something on the agenda

3:18:31like this.

3:18:34People feel the need to attend and then

3:18:37we tell them come back in two months.

3:18:44Perhaps there may be a a happy medium uh

3:18:46the first meeting of February perhaps

3:18:49that buys enough time gets this the next

3:18:52council constituted um and it's not the

3:18:55first matter that's right before

3:18:56everyone in January. Um but it provides

3:18:59time for

3:19:00all these issues to be addressed and if

3:19:03and if it's not ready at that time

3:19:05whomever is sitting here can make their

3:19:08opinions known in in February.

3:19:13Um

3:19:17>> it's five months roughly.

3:19:19>> Yeah. You know, my only concern is that,

3:19:22you know, if there if we do go out to

3:19:23bid and there is some interest that is

3:19:25amendable because we have to open the

3:19:27bids in front of the council. So that's

3:19:29not going to be the February meeting.

3:19:31That'll be to discuss this. The bids can

3:19:34be open. If there's something that's

3:19:35amendable to the council and to the

3:19:37community that may

3:19:39I mean it's probably two weeks so first

3:19:42week first meeting in February whatever

3:19:44that meeting is is fine.

3:19:45>> Yeah it would this would run on a

3:19:46separate track to whatever bid process

3:19:49you put forward opening of bids and

3:19:52evaluation would be able to occur in the

3:19:55meantime separate from any potential

3:19:58change to the zone that's currently

3:20:00proposed.

3:20:02Yeah, I see no reason why not,

3:20:04especially since

3:20:06uh we can open the bids separate from

3:20:09the hearing on this item. And then of

3:20:12course for members of the public, we'll

3:20:15put out information on all of that if

3:20:18there's a meeting where the bids come in

3:20:20and bids are opened.

3:20:23>> Councilman Ladison.

3:20:24>> Um yes, Mr. President,

3:20:28I'm going to take a motion on this and

3:20:31I'm going to make a motion that we hold

3:20:34this item until the first meeting in

3:20:36February.

3:20:38Seconded by Councilman Ricks. All right.

3:20:40Is there any further discussion on the

3:20:42request to hold this item

3:20:46as amended till the first meeting in

3:20:49February?

3:20:52M. Councilman de Louise,

3:20:57>> February, the body

3:21:01that's here right now is going to

3:21:03change. There's an election coming up.

3:21:08So, will that have any ramifications? In

3:21:11other words, Councilman Mudo probably

3:21:15not going to be here. Um, I have an

3:21:18opponent.

3:21:20There are a few opponents. So, if that

3:21:22were to change,

3:21:25how does that affect the outcome? Seeing

3:21:28that we've been here for hours, the

3:21:30people that are here now,

3:21:33>> will we have to go through that whole

3:21:36process again?

3:21:37>> Are you asking me?

3:21:39>> I'm asking anybody that can answer the

3:21:40question.

3:21:40>> It doesn't impact the administration.

3:21:42>> The council is a continuous body. Um, so

3:21:45what one begins, the other can continue.

3:21:48uh folks who may sit in the seat who

3:21:51aren't currently sitting in one today.

3:21:53Uh it would be advisable to them to

3:21:56study the record if they plan to

3:21:58participate in said matter. If not, it

3:22:00would be appropriate for them to uh

3:22:02recuse or abstain from participation

3:22:04should they not uh be up to speed and

3:22:07comfortable uh of the record that has

3:22:10been presented uh to date. But the this

3:22:13body is a continuous one. what happens

3:22:16now can be continued on at a at a later

3:22:18date with a separate uh constitution of

3:22:21the body.

3:22:25>> Okay.

3:22:28>> All right. Uh before I forget, for those

3:22:31um constituents [clears throat] for

3:22:33Councilman Ricks that are still here, if

3:22:35you do have any problems with the rats

3:22:39either now or going forward, contact

3:22:41him. There's a free rat mitigation

3:22:43program with the city that is well

3:22:46reviewed. All right. Seeing no further

3:22:49questions or comments on the motion to

3:22:51hold, uh the clerk will please call the

3:22:53role.

3:22:58>> Yes.

3:23:00>> Yes.

3:23:05>> Yes.

3:23:08>> Yes.

3:23:09>> Yes.

3:23:11Yes.

3:23:16>> All right. So that is held till the

3:23:19first meeting in February.

3:23:21>> Mr. President, call a fivem minute

3:23:23recess.

3:23:24>> Does anyone have any objection to a

3:23:25fivem minute recess? Seeing none, we'll

3:23:28recess for 5 minutes.

3:30:38All right. Does anyone have any

3:30:40objection to hearing the the next two

3:30:44combining the public hearing for the

3:30:46next two items? And before we actually

3:30:49pull the audience here, those two items

3:30:51are PCO27-26,

3:30:53an ordinance amending the zoning

3:30:55ordinances of the city of Warick River

3:30:57Farmplace LLC, applicant 3033, Post

3:31:00Road, Assessor's Plat 245, lot 280,

3:31:05and PCO28-26,

3:31:08order on the abandonment of a portion of

3:31:10Willow Street Longrange LLC petitioner.

3:31:14So, does anyone have any objection to

3:31:16combining the public hearings for those

3:31:18two items? All right, seeing none,

3:31:23is anyone able to motion to open the

3:31:27public hearing those two?

3:31:30>> Second.

3:31:30>> Motion made by Councilman Lacer,

3:31:32seconded by Councilman Mutoo.

3:31:35Any discussion on the motion? Seeing

3:31:37none, clerk will please call the role.

3:31:43Mr. Sappi,

3:31:44>> yes.

3:31:45>> Mr. Dlouise,

3:31:47>> Mr. Foley,

3:31:48>> Mr. Gha,

3:31:49>> yes.

3:31:50>> Mr. Kirby,

3:31:51>> yes.

3:31:51>> Mr. Liser,

3:31:52>> yes.

3:31:53>> Mr. Mutoo,

3:31:54>> yes.

3:31:54>> Mr. Nappa,

3:31:56>> Mr. Ricks,

3:31:57>> yes.

3:31:57>> Motion passes.

3:31:59>> All right. So, now we stand in a

3:32:02combined public hearing for PCO27-26

3:32:05and PCO28-26.

3:32:07So, petitioner

3:32:16Thank you. Good evening, council

3:32:18president and honorable members of the

3:32:20council. Attorney Joseph Brennan here on

3:32:22behalf of the applicant uh River

3:32:25Farmplace LLC. The property that we're

3:32:28talking about here is is very close.

3:32:30It's right over here on the corner here

3:32:33in Aenog at It does have an address

3:32:35though as 3033

3:32:38Post Road, Assessor's Plat 245, lot 280.

3:32:42Although it's it's a vacant uh pave if

3:32:45you drive by and you had looked at it.

3:32:47Um the applicant is looking to propose a

3:32:5116 unit um residential apartment

3:32:54building on the property. Um the

3:32:57application therefore requires us to

3:32:59come before the city council um for that

3:33:02uh reszoning to the PDR zone through the

3:33:05A7 and general business zones which what

3:33:08we have the property is one of the most

3:33:13unique that you can find in just the way

3:33:15that it's structured. It's got a curved

3:33:17lane. Um the state and they took it as

3:33:20part a large portion as part of the

3:33:22redevelopment years ago uh with all of

3:33:24the rotaries and it's since that time

3:33:27it's been pretty difficult for anyone to

3:33:29really do anything with it. Um I've been

3:33:32a part of some other proposals that

3:33:34people had brought but nothing that that

3:33:35ever stuck and actually came before you.

3:33:38Um, this is one of the few that has done

3:33:40a really good job um, putting together a

3:33:44project in a way that makes sense. Um,

3:33:46the building would be a closer to the

3:33:49front of the property with the parking

3:33:51in the back. That way it shields a big

3:33:54parking lot and it takes away all that

3:33:56pavement there. Um, they'll have

3:33:58beautiful uh, building that they put up

3:34:00there. Um, additionally, one of the

3:34:03biggest hurdles that also came with this

3:34:05property is access to it because it's

3:34:08all right there in the rotary with with

3:34:09with with the oneways and the cars that

3:34:12come. There's too many blind spots. Um,

3:34:14so what the applicant has creatively

3:34:16done is we already have an agreement in

3:34:18place. Um, mainly because it's the same

3:34:21seller who owns our abing lot. You'll

3:34:24see on our plan that we'll be accessing

3:34:27an existing drive that already is in

3:34:30place with curb cuts there right along

3:34:32the street. So, we won't be opening up

3:34:34anything new. Pedestrians know anyone

3:34:36walking that's always been there. Um I

3:34:38know oftent times that can create a

3:34:40hazard when you're opening those up um

3:34:42for traffic. And we would just have a a

3:34:45small shared driveway spot where we

3:34:46would pull in onto our own property line

3:34:49and that's where you see the parking

3:34:51spots. So parking of course always going

3:34:54to be an issue especially in this area.

3:34:56We are proposing 16 units. The city of

3:34:59Warwick's ordinance requires 2.5 parking

3:35:03spots per unit which if you do the math

3:35:05on ours comes to 40 spaces. And you can

3:35:08see that we can provide all 40 of those

3:35:11spaces. That's not one of the items that

3:35:13we're asking for any type of relief or

3:35:15waiverss from. We know how important it

3:35:17is in this area and we wanted to provide

3:35:19that. Um, we're also certainly confident

3:35:22that 40 can hold it because all of the

3:35:25units, 15 of them will be two beds and

3:35:28one of them will be a one bed. So, even

3:35:30if you had one car per bed, we'd still

3:35:33be well under that and have excess for

3:35:36any visitors or or family that's coming

3:35:38over to visit. Um the site also has a

3:35:43very large proposed storm water drainage

3:35:45area that you'll see which also you know

3:35:48generally if if when it most of the time

3:35:50it's dry so it also kind of creates a

3:35:52little bit more greenery that they'll do

3:35:54their best to maintain. Um the drainage

3:35:57part will of course be maintained as

3:35:59part of the project. Um and then the

3:36:02other small caveat that you'll see is in

3:36:04the back in the rear of our property.

3:36:06That's what the other item we're here

3:36:08for is the road abandonment. So there is

3:36:10a paper street there that has hasn't

3:36:13been used by the city. U we don't

3:36:15believe that the city would have any

3:36:17need for it given its location and if

3:36:20you see the topography and everything

3:36:22that would be really difficult road to

3:36:23develop and maintain anyways. Um so the

3:36:26applicant is looking for um their half

3:36:29portion of it and then the other

3:36:30portions gets distributed and divided to

3:36:33the neighbors um as the part of the with

3:36:36the ordinance works. And you'll see that

3:36:38the only thing we're proposing in that

3:36:40section is just a little bit of our

3:36:41parking spaces. That was the true

3:36:45necessity for that road abandonment is

3:36:47to get us to those 40 spaces cuz and you

3:36:50can see there's a whole row back there.

3:36:52So to lose them, we lose 14 spaces and

3:36:55and then we get into is this a viable

3:36:58project or not. So that's the importance

3:37:00of that abandonment on behalf of the

3:37:01applicant. Um so with that said, um I

3:37:05really don't have anything else to add.

3:37:07I know you may have some questions. We

3:37:09do have the engineer here, but um keep

3:37:11in mind that although we are at the city

3:37:13council level, we are still pretty early

3:37:15in our permitting and processing uh

3:37:18permitting and engineering um because we

3:37:20still have to go through the planning

3:37:22board process of preliminary plan

3:37:25approval. That's where we would get any

3:37:27state approvals that we need, any

3:37:29environmental approvals, all the

3:37:31engineering gets done, all the storm

3:37:32water drain gets done, all of those um

3:37:35items. So at this page at this stage

3:37:38it's still a little conceptual um but I

3:37:40they have put together a pretty detailed

3:37:43plan at least for purposes of of this

3:37:46council. So thank you.

3:37:53All right. Is anyone here to speak in

3:37:56favor of these proposals? Either or

3:37:58both.

3:38:00Is anyone here to speak in favor of

3:38:02either or both of these proposals? Is

3:38:05anyone here to speak in favor of either

3:38:08or both of these proposals?

3:38:11Is anyone here to speak against either

3:38:13or both of these proposals? Is anyone

3:38:16here to speak against either or both of

3:38:18these proposals? Is anyone here to speak

3:38:20against either or both of these

3:38:21proposals?

3:38:23Does anyone simply wish to speak

3:38:25regarding either or both of these

3:38:27proposals? [clears throat] Could come on

3:38:29up to the microphone, please.

3:38:33And just when you do just make sure to

3:38:34state your name, please.

3:38:38>> Hey, can you use this arm?

3:38:43>> Hello, my name is Tanya Rickettts. I

3:38:45live at 222 Taft Avenue and I'm here

3:38:48representing the many businesses in the

3:38:50Kent Avenue, Locust Street, Brownley

3:38:53Avenue, and Lockheart Street. These

3:38:56businesses and these streets are

3:38:59directly across from where this building

3:39:01will be built.

3:39:04I'm here today to bring up some issues

3:39:06that may come with changing the zoning

3:39:09for this area. First of all, as you've

3:39:11many of you have heard tonight, we have

3:39:14a big issue with traffic and I know that

3:39:16the Aenator backs up daily. If you have

3:39:19a business in this area, you are subject

3:39:22to backups when you pull out of your

3:39:24business and have to deal with that as

3:39:26anybody else is coming through Appenog.

3:39:30So when we are adding apartments and

3:39:33adding more cars, how is that going to

3:39:35affect uh the traffic through Aenog with

3:39:38the Rotary being right there?

3:39:41Another concern that I have is um that

3:39:44area is zoned business. It is near other

3:39:47businesses. The streets that I mentioned

3:39:50before are home to body shops. There is

3:39:53a weed uh grow area that smells daily.

3:39:58Uh there are mechanics there. There are

3:40:01also many slow snow plowing companies

3:40:03there who during the winter time are

3:40:05very active. So what I'm bringing this

3:40:09to your attention is that there is

3:40:11noise. There is noise that is made from

3:40:14doing business on those streets. Whether

3:40:16it's hearing mechanics uh tools going on

3:40:19cars, whether uh you you have uh a body

3:40:23shop that's across the street. Um

3:40:26there are during the winter time when

3:40:28the snow plows are running, you have

3:40:30backup noises, the beep beep beep that's

3:40:32happening and now we are introducing

3:40:35residences in directly nearby. So that

3:40:39is something to think about.

3:40:42The area that I spoke of where the

3:40:44businesses are is a light industrial

3:40:46area.

3:40:47Down along Post Road is considered a

3:40:50historical district. And as we can see

3:40:52on the back side of of Apenog, there are

3:40:55still many historical buildings there

3:40:56that unfortunately have come into uh

3:40:59disrepair and decay waiting to become

3:41:01something.

3:41:03I am all for seeing the area cleaned up.

3:41:07I think that the lot in general where

3:41:10this apartment uh building is going uh

3:41:14has sat vacant for many years. In fact,

3:41:16there used to be a fleet bank there that

3:41:17when I first opened my business I would

3:41:20go to and the traffic it was hard to get

3:41:22in and out of then. Uh I also have a

3:41:25concern with the look of the building

3:41:27and I know you've done some beautiful

3:41:29drawings. Um the building will be a

3:41:31couple stories so that will ultimately

3:41:34kind of change the look of the area a

3:41:36little bit.

3:41:37um which I'm not sure that is a good or

3:41:40bad thing, but that's something to think

3:41:42about in the overall plan for if that

3:41:44area, that backside of Apenog does get

3:41:46developed, um how that all fits in.

3:41:51Another big concern that I have is when

3:41:54and if this does get approved,

3:41:57what do we expect for construction?

3:41:59Because we are going to have some major

3:42:01construction through there. There's

3:42:03going to be noise for the neighborhoods

3:42:04that live up above. There's also going

3:42:07to be more uh construction traffic. I'm

3:42:10sure you'll have to bring big equipment

3:42:12in to do some of the work. Um and that

3:42:17can affect directly affect the

3:42:19businesses that are in the area. It can

3:42:21also affect the neighborhoods that are

3:42:22just above the area.

3:42:25Uh I know that you are planning to uh

3:42:28have the street abandoned in your your

3:42:31zoning. Um, there is a church up there

3:42:34directly near the street and there are

3:42:36also quiet neighborhoods and currently

3:42:38that area is very hilly and there is

3:42:41almost like a buffer zone. There are

3:42:42trees and and brush and things like

3:42:44that. My question to you is what are you

3:42:47going to if you do abandon the street,

3:42:50are you going to be taking the the trees

3:42:52away as the buffer zone that is there?

3:42:54Um, and those neighbors that live just

3:42:57directly above your units that you're

3:42:59building that are higher, will they be

3:43:01looking at your units?

3:43:05I think that is about all the topics

3:43:07that I have uh to address. Um, I'm, as

3:43:12again I said, I'm not fully against and

3:43:16I'm not fully for, but I just want to

3:43:18have these topics brought up for

3:43:20discussion so that everyone in the

3:43:22neighborhood that's going to be affected

3:43:24by this is aware of what's going to

3:43:26happen. Thank you very much for your

3:43:28time.

3:43:30>> Thank you, Council President, and thank

3:43:32you for the comments as well. Um, we do

3:43:35appreciate those. um we didn't have any

3:43:38objectors at the first planning hearing.

3:43:41So um it's helpful to get that kind of

3:43:43feedback so that way we can make the

3:43:45project even better. Honestly, um the

3:43:48first comment that I would just make is

3:43:50that first it is a general business zone

3:43:53now, right? So it's a vacant piece of

3:43:55property. It doesn't have a building. So

3:43:57some anybody could go in there and put a

3:43:59business in tomorrow. They could apply

3:44:01for a building permit as long as they

3:44:02meet the ordinance they put it in. any

3:44:05business has to build a new building,

3:44:07anyone. And so they have a right to

3:44:09build on the vacant piece of land. So

3:44:11construction would always happen,

3:44:13whether it's from us for a residential

3:44:15building or for any business going in.

3:44:18Additionally, in regards to traffic

3:44:20concerns, residential uses are usually

3:44:24much less or lower of an impact on the

3:44:27neighboring properties and on the

3:44:30streets than putting a business in in a

3:44:32general business zone. Um, I don't have

3:44:34the list of uses, but the list of uses

3:44:37in a general business zone are pretty

3:44:39extensive, and a lot of those can come

3:44:41with much higher traffic counts,

3:44:44especially during peak hours of the day

3:44:46versus a residential unit would. Um, in

3:44:49regards to the body shops and industrial

3:44:52companies and smells and noise, um, you

3:44:55know, it's my personal opinion that

3:44:56that's just something that the applicant

3:44:59that's that's a financial consideration

3:45:01they have to make whether they want to

3:45:02put residential units in that place. And

3:45:04when people come and they visit and they

3:45:06see the units, they'll have to make the

3:45:08decision if they want to live there as

3:45:09well. location is very important to

3:45:11people, but I personally view that as

3:45:13like a financial, economical, and

3:45:15personal decision for anybody who moves

3:45:18into any unit rather than a deterrent as

3:45:20to whether someone should have the right

3:45:22to build on a on the property itself. Um

3:45:25the look of the building, as we

3:45:27mentioned, we we think it would look

3:45:28really nice. Um it is planned to be um

3:45:32three stories. Um but the elevation

3:45:34change there is also extremely

3:45:36significant if you see it. So, um, yeah,

3:45:39I'm I'm not sure people might be able to

3:45:41see and look down on it. Um, but we're

3:45:43trying to minimize that impact the best

3:45:45we can by moving the building as far as

3:45:48we can forward. Again, any another any

3:45:50other applicant could come and apply for

3:45:53a building permit to actually put a

3:45:55business in there. And instead of

3:45:56looking at a residential building, you

3:45:58could be looking at McDonald's, a Burger

3:46:01King, I don't know, an O'Reilly's seems

3:46:04to be going up in a lot of places

3:46:06lately. Um so you have to take that into

3:46:08consideration as well. Um and I think

3:46:11the final thing is um the church from

3:46:14from my understanding the applicants are

3:46:17actually very friendly with the church.

3:46:18They've been working with them through

3:46:19this process. Um and that road we're

3:46:22only abandoning half of it goes to us

3:46:25and half goes to those abuing neighbors.

3:46:27So any brush and stuff that's there on

3:46:30their half they would keep. We don't

3:46:32disturb any of that. Um that remains

3:46:34intact. Um, and I think as part of your

3:46:37packets, you should be able to have an

3:46:38aerial and you can see there is still a

3:46:41lot of brush there that's not even close

3:46:43to our property line and it lies in

3:46:45everybody else's. We have no right to

3:46:47touch that and so um, we would continue

3:46:49not to. Um, I think I answered

3:46:53everything. If I didn't, I apologize.

3:46:59>> Does anyone else wish to speak regarding

3:47:01either of these proposals? Does anyone

3:47:03else wish to speak regarding either of

3:47:04these proposals? Does anyone else wish

3:47:07to speak regarding either of these

3:47:08proposals?

3:47:10Seeing none, do we have a motion?

3:47:12>> Motion to close the public hearing.

3:47:14>> Motion made by Councilman Lisa to close

3:47:16public hearing. Seconded by Councilman

3:47:18Mido. Is there any further discussion on

3:47:20[clears throat] said motion? Seeing

3:47:22none, clerk will please call the role.

3:47:28>> Mr. Sappi,

3:47:29>> yes.

3:47:29>> Mr. Dlise,

3:47:31>> yes.

3:47:31>> Mr. Mr. Foley,

3:47:32>> yes.

3:47:33>> Mr. Gart,

3:47:34>> yes.

3:47:34>> Mr. Kirby,

3:47:35>> yes.

3:47:36>> Mr. Liser,

3:47:37>> yes.

3:47:37>> Mr. Mutoo,

3:47:38>> yes.

3:47:38>> Mr. Nappa,

3:47:40>> Mr. Ricks,

3:47:41>> yes.

3:47:41>> Motion passes.

3:47:44>> All right. So, does anyone wish to speak

3:47:47regard? Well, first off, do we handle

3:47:49these in tandem now?

3:47:54>> All right. So we'll start with PCO27-26

3:47:58an ordinance amending the zoning

3:47:59ordinances of the city of Warwick River

3:48:00Farmplace LLC applicant 3033 post

3:48:04assessor plat 245 lot 280 Councilman

3:48:06Napa.

3:48:09>> It's a question for attorney Brennan if

3:48:11he doesn't mind indulging me for a

3:48:13moment.

3:48:14We've seen recently a flurry of

3:48:16developers come in front of the council

3:48:18and to the city asking for tax treaties

3:48:20and consideration on tax payment. Is are

3:48:22your applicants considering that in any

3:48:25way?

3:48:25>> No, there hasn't been any discussion or

3:48:27consideration regarding that.

3:48:29>> Okay. Thank you as always for your

3:48:31thorough presentation. Always impressed.

3:48:33>> Thank you.

3:48:34>> That's all I have, Council President.

3:48:39>> Hello, Mr. Brennan.

3:48:40>> Hello.

3:48:41>> Haven't seen you here recently. Um Joe,

3:48:45what is the overall acreage of that

3:48:49entire site? The entire site as it

3:48:52stands today is.98

3:48:55acres, but when you add our uh small

3:48:59strip, it would now be 1.15 acres.

3:49:08>> And there's no um wetlands in that area,

3:49:10is there?

3:49:11>> No, not that we know of. No.

3:49:13>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

3:49:14>> That but that would be tested at the

3:49:16next stage. So if it popped up could be

3:49:19that could be a deal breaker.

3:49:21>> Okay. Thank you.

3:49:26>> Hi Joe. Uh I just wanted to make a

3:49:28comment. The uh the woman who talked

3:49:31about all the potential issues about

3:49:34what's going on that those are excellent

3:49:37observations and uh uh attorney is is

3:49:41right. We, you know, as far as the

3:49:44council goes, we want to hear what the

3:49:45residents have to say, what the concerns

3:49:47are, and work with the developers to

3:49:50mitigate those. Um, I I will share and I

3:49:54can't compare to this one, but a

3:49:56previous um uh development that came

3:50:00before the council, the developer and

3:50:03the attorney, uh the same attorney, Joe,

3:50:06uh they worked really well with the

3:50:09community, took the took the concerns

3:50:11and made adjustments to the um the

3:50:15application, and I'm hoping uh this

3:50:18developer will will do the same with our

3:50:20residents.

3:50:21Yes, we I'll exchange information with

3:50:24her after um provide it to the

3:50:26developers and um as we well we always

3:50:30try our best.

3:50:39All right, seeing no further lights, do

3:50:42we have a motion regarding PCO 27-26?

3:50:49>> Second.

3:50:49>> Second. Motion made by Councilman Foley,

3:50:51seconded by Council Mau, Councilman

3:50:53Latiser. Is there any discussion on the

3:50:55motion for favorable action? Seeing

3:50:57none, clerk will please call the role.

3:51:02>> Mr. Sappi,

3:51:03>> yes.

3:51:03>> Mr. Dlouise,

3:51:05>> yes.

3:51:05>> Mr. Foley,

3:51:06>> yes.

3:51:07>> Mr. Gart,

3:51:08>> yes.

3:51:08>> Mr. Kirby,

3:51:09>> yes.

3:51:10>> Mr. Liser,

3:51:11>> yes.

3:51:11>> Mr. Mutoo,

3:51:12>> yes.

3:51:13>> Mr. Nappa,

3:51:14>> yes.

3:51:14>> Mr. Ricks,

3:51:15>> yes.

3:51:16>> 90. Motion passes.

3:51:18>> All right. And then the other one for

3:51:20which we had the the combined public

3:51:21hearing is PCO28-26

3:51:24order on the abandonment of a portion of

3:51:26Willow Street Long Range LLC petitioner.

3:51:29Is there a motion on this one?

3:51:32>> Motion.

3:51:34>> Oh, pardon. Hold on one moment, please.

3:51:38>> Um,

3:51:40the total value of the abandonment in

3:51:43the underlying item uh was left as a

3:51:46placeholder blank. the uh total amount

3:51:49paid to the city based on the updated

3:51:51appraisal is $32,000.

3:51:54And so it would I would recommend uh a

3:51:57motion just to amend PCO 2826 to insert

3:52:01that amount.

3:52:06>> Uh motion to amend the uh the amount.

3:52:10>> Seconded.

3:52:11>> Motion to amend by council Mudo pursuant

3:52:13to what solicitor said and seconded by

3:52:15Councilman Foley. Is there any

3:52:17discussion regarding the proposed

3:52:18amendment?

3:52:20All right, seeing none, clerk will call

3:52:21the role.

3:52:23>> Mr. Sappi,

3:52:24>> yes.

3:52:24>> Mr. Douise,

3:52:26>> yes.

3:52:26>> Mr. Foley,

3:52:27>> yes.

3:52:28>> Mr. Ghart,

3:52:28>> yes.

3:52:29>> Mr. Kirby,

3:52:30>> yes.

3:52:30>> Mr. Liser, Mr. Mutoo,

3:52:33>> yes.

3:52:33>> Mr. Nappa,

3:52:34>> yes.

3:52:34>> Mr. Rex,

3:52:36>> yes.

3:52:36>> 90. Motion passes.

3:52:38>> All right. And now it stands before us

3:52:39as amended. Do we have a motion?

3:52:41>> Move favorable action.

3:52:42>> Second.

3:52:43>> Motion made by Councilman Foley for

3:52:44favorable action. Seconded by Councilman

3:52:46Nappa. Is there any further discussion?

3:52:48Seeing none, clerk will please call the

3:52:50role.

3:52:50>> Mr. Sappi?

3:52:51>> Yes.

3:52:51>> Mr. Dlouise?

3:52:53>> Yes.

3:52:53>> Mr. Foley?

3:52:54>> Yes.

3:52:55>> Mr. Ghart?

3:52:56>> Yes.

3:52:56>> Mr. Kirby?

3:52:57>> Yes.

3:52:57>> Mr. Liser?

3:52:58>> Yes.

3:52:59>> Mr. Mutoo?

3:53:00>> Yes.

3:53:00>> Mr. Nappa?

3:53:01>> Yes.

3:53:02>> Mr. Rex?

3:53:02>> Yes.

3:53:03>> 90. Motion passes.

3:53:05>> Thank you for your time and

3:53:06consideration. Thank you.

3:53:09>> All right. Does anyone have any

3:53:10objection to us jumping to public safety

3:53:13as there's a claimant here that's been

3:53:15waiting for some time?

3:53:18All right, seeing none, we'll go jump to

3:53:22public safety

3:53:27with the council of these. Would the

3:53:28public safety committee please convene?

3:53:56This is precious.

3:54:15The uh public safety committee uh is in

3:54:19session at 8:46 p.m. First order of

3:54:23business will be to

3:54:26uh approve the minutes. Let me just buy

3:54:28them for one second.

3:54:30Approve the minutes for April 27th,

3:54:35May 11th, June 1st, June 15th. All

3:54:39members of the committee were present.

3:54:41Do I have a motion?

3:54:43>> So moved.

3:54:43>> Second.

3:54:45>> All in favor?

3:54:46>> I. Passes 40. All right. Uh the first

3:54:51order actually which um which claimment

3:54:54is here first?

3:54:59M. Okay.

3:55:02Uh any any objections to uh uh hearing

3:55:07uh Nory Makawitz um petition first?

3:55:13>> No.

3:55:14>> Seeing none, uh first order uh we're

3:55:19going to bring up um where are we?

3:55:27PCR 9326

3:55:31resolution relative to uh to Norine

3:55:34Makawit's claim. Uh the claim uh was

3:55:39submitted

3:55:42on July 16th.

3:55:46It had uh the claim was hitting a

3:55:48pothole on Khisit Road causing damage.

3:55:52Uh the

3:55:54uh

3:55:57Department of Public Works referred it

3:56:00to Rhode Island Energy. Uh the reason is

3:56:03the pothole is due to gas work in the

3:56:06area. A uh photograph of that ear that

3:56:11um area was presented by Norine. Um,

3:56:17I will open it up to um any comments

3:56:22from the committee.

3:56:25Any any comments from the committee?

3:56:29Council Edison,

3:56:31>> I guess. Um, we'll start with a question

3:56:33to DPW.

3:56:48>> Eric,

3:56:50Eric, public works.

3:56:52>> Hi, director.

3:56:53Um,

3:56:55how long ago was this work done by Rhode

3:56:59Island Energy?

3:57:01>> Uh, it's been ongoing.

3:57:04They started

3:57:08uh month and a half ago maybe.

3:57:14>> Um,

3:57:16okay.

3:57:18So, go ahead, Councilman Gabot.

3:57:22So, so um thank you. Um I happen to

3:57:26drive this stretch of roadway every day.

3:57:30Um and absolutely there is work ongoing

3:57:34and uh I thought this context would be

3:57:37helpful. So there uh Rhode Island Energy

3:57:40is replacing a stretch of gas pipe uh

3:57:43under the road. So each day they show up

3:57:46and they dig up some of the roadway,

3:57:48they replace a stretch of pipe, and then

3:57:50they repave at the end of the day. If

3:57:53anything, this stretch of road has

3:57:56gotten better throughout the

3:57:58construction. Um, not that it's not

3:58:00disruptive and they're they're they're

3:58:02digging, but um, in in some ways as

3:58:05they've patched up at the end of the

3:58:07day, they've actually filled in

3:58:09pre-existing potholes. So, I would I

3:58:12would challenge just based on my own

3:58:14firsthand observation of this particular

3:58:17road that the pothole in question after

3:58:21looking at the photos was one that was

3:58:24introduced by Rhode Island Energy. Um,

3:58:27based on my day-to-day observation of

3:58:30that roadway, that pothole along the

3:58:32shoulder, not impacted by the work that

3:58:35Rhode Island Energy is doing really in

3:58:38any shape, way, shape, or form was

3:58:39essentially pre-existing um to that

3:58:42work. And uh if anything, they've sort

3:58:45of tended to improve that as they've had

3:58:47the the the patch filling um out there

3:58:50in the day. So, when I saw this one come

3:58:52along, I I I feel for you. I've hit that

3:58:54exact same pothole um before. I know we

3:58:57have we have patched it. Um the city's

3:59:01is aware of the pothole and they have

3:59:02patched it from time to time. That

3:59:04particular stretch of roadway gets some

3:59:06flooding and so we know that those those

3:59:09patches tend to to wear out. Um and that

3:59:12is a stretch of roadway that is up for

3:59:15uh total repaving um as soon as the gas

3:59:18line is complete. Um, but in in my lay

3:59:22person's, you know, just day-to-day

3:59:24observation of that particular stretch

3:59:26of roadway, I think that the the

3:59:28resident, you know, uh, check the boxes

3:59:30in terms of it was a pre-existing

3:59:33pothole that the city was aware of. Um,

3:59:35I don't believe that Rhode Island Energy

3:59:37was at fault for any work that they're

3:59:39doing. And I think given that, you know,

3:59:42three uh bids were submitted um and

3:59:45we're talking about $200 for a tire um

3:59:48they've, you know, been through the

3:59:50process. They sat here for five hours.

3:59:52Um this one I don't think needs much

3:59:55adjudication other than a speedy

3:59:57approval. So I I will make those my

4:00:00comments and and thank you to the

4:00:01committee.

4:00:05>> May I ask

4:00:06>> Yes. Um, Councilman Ghart, um, I'm I'm

4:00:10looking at this repair and I'm seeing

4:00:12like what looks like two two

4:00:16areas. Um, one is closer to the mailbox

4:00:22and I see what looks like a pothole

4:00:26there. The other is further out, more

4:00:31towards the middle of the road. Is that

4:00:33the pothole that we're

4:00:35>> I So this is this is this is Mr. Mowitz.

4:00:38I I did speak with Mrs. Makowitz. She

4:00:40went home to get some some some rest,

4:00:43but I believe it to be the one in the

4:00:45shoulder. Um that was the the

4:00:47problematic.

4:00:48>> It's actually the one to the left of the

4:00:52white line.

4:00:54>> To the left of the white line.

4:00:55>> Right.

4:00:56>> Okay.

4:00:56>> Not uh next to the shoulder. And the

4:01:00tire that you had damaged was driver's

4:01:03side or passenger side?

4:01:05>> Passenger front.

4:01:06>> Passenger front. Okay.

4:01:10And that

4:01:12area,

4:01:14it could very well be by the picture,

4:01:17but that's why I had asked director

4:01:19Earls how long ago that work had been

4:01:22done because that stretch that I'm

4:01:26looking at other than right just before

4:01:29that pothole. The rest of it looks like

4:01:32a mess with all kinds of stuff.

4:01:35>> Uh look, I have a little better picture

4:01:38uh um that I had presented.

4:01:42The work by the gas company has already

4:01:44been done there. Uh they're complete. If

4:01:48you could see towards the yellow line,

4:01:50they've already dug and repaved that

4:01:54section. So, I had a chance when we were

4:01:59denied. Um, they suggested I go to the

4:02:02gas company or appeal within 14 days.

4:02:06And I had no idea if the gas company

4:02:08would respond in 14 days. And that's why

4:02:11we're appeal uh appealing. And I think

4:02:14it's clear that the gas company was done

4:02:17with the work there and the pothole was

4:02:20not fixed. And as a result, we got the

4:02:23flat tire.

4:02:24Thank you, sir. I'm good.

4:02:28>> Any other questions from the committee?

4:02:31Any questions from the council?

4:02:35>> Councilman Gart, you have your light on

4:02:37anymore? Okay.

4:02:39Um Yeah. Have any um anything that you'd

4:02:42like to say?

4:02:43>> Nope. Fine. Thank you.

4:02:45>> Okay. Um I I don't tend to uh agree with

4:02:49Councilman Jeepart on this. I actually

4:02:52drove the area myself and saw the gas

4:02:57area was obvious. This is just a

4:03:02typical rough road that needed filled.

4:03:06So, uh, I would like to hear a um a

4:03:10recommendation for favorable action.

4:03:11>> Make a motion for favorable action PCR

4:03:1493-26 in the amount of $300.

4:03:17>> I have a second. All in favor? I

4:03:20>> I

4:03:21>> thank you.

4:03:22>> You're welcome.

4:03:23>> Thank you for your patience, sir.

4:03:27>> All right.

4:03:29>> Let's do that again.

4:03:33>> All right. Next one would be a claim uh

4:03:37PCR 9226.

4:03:41Oh, actually, let me um let me go back

4:03:43to order. uh PCR90-26,

4:03:47a resolution in regards to installing a

4:03:50stop sign on Headley Drive where it

4:03:53intersects with Marcusen Drive. Uh that

4:03:56was submitted uh by Council Mudo. Uh

4:04:00this is a um uh one of those situations

4:04:04where the city was doing an inventory,

4:04:07did some construction in this area. the

4:04:10stop sign uh for one reason or another

4:04:13didn't didn't reappear. The residents

4:04:16asked me to reinstall it. We open we

4:04:18opened it up and uh put in a u request.

4:04:22So, uh with that, I'll open it up to any

4:04:25comments by the committee.

4:04:27>> Was there a traffic study?

4:04:28>> Yes.

4:04:29>> Was it favorable?

4:04:30>> Yes.

4:04:31>> That's all I've got.

4:04:33>> All right. Any any other comments?

4:04:37No. All right. So, I'm going to ask for

4:04:39favorable action.

4:04:40>> Move favorable action on PCR 90-26.

4:04:43>> Second.

4:04:44>> All right. All in favor? I.

4:04:46>> All right.

4:04:47And PCR 9226 resolution relative to

4:04:52Andrew Castro's claim, Councilman Kirby.

4:04:55This is a claim um

4:05:00for a pothole claim also referred to

4:05:03Rhode Island Energy. Uh

4:05:08this was uh also on Kiset Road. I'm not

4:05:13entirely sure if it's the same area. Oh,

4:05:15actually it wasn't. This was over near

4:05:17Stop and Shop and Lowe's. So, director,

4:05:20uh could you uh add a little light to

4:05:23this one?

4:05:30>> Hello, Eric Public Works.

4:05:33Um I don't have it in front of me so I'm

4:05:35not familiar.

4:05:38>> Okay.

4:05:39>> But it's the same situation. Um you know

4:05:43Rhode Island Energy is working on the

4:05:44street. We get a claim from the street.

4:05:46Typically it's a contractor.

4:05:49Um I don't know if the photographic

4:05:51documentation

4:05:53could show something else, but in our

4:05:56opinion,

4:05:57you know, that's the

4:06:00it was a result of the contractor

4:06:08Okay. Um, I'm not that familiar up that

4:06:13far. Uh, maybe Councilman Gart, could

4:06:15you add a little color?

4:06:19>> I am here every day.

4:06:28I don't I don't see the I I don't see

4:06:31that this particular claimant

4:06:35actually included much in the way of

4:06:39photographic evidence unless I'm missing

4:06:42it.

4:06:45>> Uh chairman.

4:06:47>> Yes. If I may,

4:06:49>> I believe that in the uh in the previous

4:06:52claim, we had established that the work

4:06:55by the utility had about been wrapped up

4:06:58by the time of the previous one on July

4:07:019th. This claim is for a date of

4:07:05incident of July 11th. So that's

4:07:07afterwards. And I would also just

4:07:10suggest that even if the contractor did

4:07:14create this particular pothole, it's

4:07:17still the city of Warwick's road. So the

4:07:20city of Warwick still has a duty there.

4:07:22And if the city of Warwick wants to

4:07:23chase after the contractor, that's the

4:07:25city's prerogative.

4:07:29>> Yeah. The only thing I'd add is that it

4:07:31it it says in the direction of Stop and

4:07:35Shop Lowe's Plaza, which

4:07:38I mean it's a long way off, but it is in

4:07:41that direction. It's it's just difficult

4:07:43to tell from the from the summary here

4:07:46where precisely the the claimant is is

4:07:49saying they hit the pothole. So, I I

4:07:51don't want to make any assumptions. We

4:07:54don't have sort of the same level of

4:07:55backup on this one.

4:08:06Okay. Any other uh comments from the

4:08:10committee?

4:08:12>> Um I suppose my last comment is has

4:08:15anyone heard from the claimant as to

4:08:18whether they intended to be here this

4:08:20evening, whether they had provided any

4:08:22further information or seeing as how

4:08:27the claimant doesn't appear to be here.

4:08:31Uh it seems that if it may be necessary

4:08:36to get a little bit more information, it

4:08:38may be appropriate to hold this for the

4:08:40moment.

4:08:44Any other comments from the council?

4:08:47Okay. Do we have a motion?

4:08:52>> Move to hold one month.

4:08:54>> Second.

4:08:55>> All in favor? I

4:08:59>> let's see I think that is it

4:09:02that is it uh public safety uh committee

4:09:06is adjourned at 9:01

4:09:19the finance committee please reconvene.

4:09:38What's up next?

4:10:00>> [clears throat]

4:10:03>> We have two two left.

4:10:36You're

4:10:40finances back.

4:11:23Which one did I

4:11:29>> Which one do I need?

4:11:34We just finished the votes.

4:11:40>> Okay.

4:11:50>> Okay. Let the record indicate it is 9:04

4:11:53p.m. and the finance committee is back

4:11:55in session.

4:11:57We will continue on with item number 9

4:11:592027133

4:12:01found on page 60.

4:12:05Assistant

4:12:08Assistant Chief Alman from the fire

4:12:09department.

4:12:16Chief, I

4:12:21I've held this out

4:12:23not because I

4:12:25disagree with this bid. I held it out

4:12:29because this is a perfect example

4:12:34of why I continually insist on getting a

4:12:38list price

4:12:41as opposed to just

4:12:44moving something forward because one

4:12:46discount is higher than another.

4:12:49This is a perfect example of why this is

4:12:54so important. You have a spread here.

4:12:56One vendor is at 45% off of list their

4:13:00list. The other one is 5% off a list

4:13:05that's already 50% different than the

4:13:08other list.

4:13:11So, I just wanted to to put that out

4:13:14there because there's been push back

4:13:17about list price doesn't matter. I don't

4:13:19care about list price. Well, it does

4:13:22matter. It makes all the difference. And

4:13:24this is exactly why. And it is also

4:13:27something that is very common with auto

4:13:30pots because auto pots could have five

4:13:33or six different list prices.

4:13:38And that's was the issue years ago that

4:13:41started me hopping on getting list

4:13:44prices and not just voting on stuff

4:13:46versus a discount. So

4:13:50>> thank you for that,

4:13:51>> Chairman. in this situation. I couldn't

4:13:53agree with you more.

4:13:54>> I'm sorry.

4:13:54>> I said I couldn't agree with you more.

4:13:56>> Thank you. I like it when you agree with

4:13:59me. [laughter]

4:14:00>> Yeah. When I saw this come back, I was

4:14:02taken aback by it. It took quite a bit

4:14:03of work to figure out where they come up

4:14:05with these numbers.

4:14:06>> It's um

4:14:07it's a perfect example of why this is so

4:14:10important. Thank you, Chief.

4:14:12>> Um

4:14:14Okay. Um I think I pulled that out.

4:14:19Did I?

4:14:21Okay. Item number 18.

4:14:25Okay. 2027 186 found on page 96. It's

4:14:29linear systems dims.

4:14:32[clears throat]

4:14:44Ryan Tom Police Department.

4:14:47>> Thank you, Major.

4:15:00Major, I have been on the record many

4:15:03times saying that I ask my questions on

4:15:07the floor because I want people to know

4:15:08the answers I get and sometimes more

4:15:11important to know the answers I don't

4:15:13get.

4:15:15In this case, I had sent you off a

4:15:18request, so I should say um a question

4:15:21and you promptly answered it, but I

4:15:23think it's important for clarification.

4:15:25So that's why I'm I'm putting this on

4:15:27the record.

4:15:28>> Understood.

4:15:28>> My question to you was in your Well, I

4:15:31had a I had a typo, so yeah, I I'm not

4:15:34so good with the keyboard, but um it was

4:15:37um in your position paper, you indicated

4:15:39that systems used for storing, among

4:15:41other things, video, period. Does this

4:15:44include the speed cameras as well as the

4:15:47flock cameras?

4:15:50And

4:15:52your reply was

4:15:57um

4:15:59was it was well stated. I'm just going

4:16:01to read it into the record because I'm

4:16:03sure there's people with questions on

4:16:04this.

4:16:05>> [clears throat]

4:16:05>> The digital information management

4:16:07system is only used for storing the

4:16:09police department's digital photos in

4:16:12interview room video. Basically, we take

4:16:15at least a few digital photos of

4:16:18evidence, property damage or fiscal

4:16:21injuries at most scenes. We respond to

4:16:23these digital photos are all housed in

4:16:26this closed system.

4:16:29As far as flock or speed cameras, all of

4:16:32these videos are clouds stored by the

4:16:34vendor separately in their private

4:16:35servers. Of course, they provide us with

4:16:38user end access,

4:16:40but all of these programs are stored

4:16:42elsewhere completely separate from the

4:16:44dim system. DIM system is used only for

4:16:48digital photos that we take of our own

4:16:50with our own digital cameras and

4:16:52instation recordings.

4:16:55And that certainly answers my questions

4:16:58and I appreciate your prompt response on

4:17:00that. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

4:17:09>> Any other questions for the major on

4:17:11that item? Okay.

4:17:15So, that con completes the bid package.

4:17:19I need a motion on the bid package,

4:17:22please.

4:17:22>> Action. We have a motion. We have a

4:17:25second. All those in favor?

4:17:27>> I I thank you.

4:17:34>> Sir,

4:17:34>> would you entertain a motion to move

4:17:36both of these to the floor since we've

4:17:38already discussed them?

4:17:40>> I certainly would do that. Um, at the

4:17:43request of Councilman Mudo, I request

4:17:48PCR84-26.

4:17:50Sorry, Councilman Foley. I always get

4:17:52you two bills. Why don't you change your

4:17:54name? [laughter]

4:17:56>> Sorry.

4:17:56>> I have a name for you.

4:17:58>> Well, I hope you don't think you're

4:18:00alone.

4:18:01>> I'm alone, man. [laughter]

4:18:02>> Yeah, that's a motion to move PCR 8426

4:18:07227-85.

4:18:11>> See what happens when you get mad at me.

4:18:138526

4:18:152027-086

4:18:18to the floor for this for vote and

4:18:21discussion.

4:18:22>> We have two motions by Councilman Foley.

4:18:24>> Second on both.

4:18:25>> We have a second. Any further

4:18:27discussion? Sorry.

4:18:30>> Sorry. Any public comments? Anyone from

4:18:35the public have any objections?

4:18:38Hearing none.

4:18:40I need all Yeah. All in favor?

4:18:43>> I

4:18:43>> I

4:18:44>> Thank you, Councilman Foley.

4:18:46>> You're welcome, sir. Anytime I can help

4:18:48you, my elder, I will.

4:18:52>> I'm I'm pretty much everyone's elder, so

4:18:54that doesn't hurt my feelings.

4:19:02>> Just I'll get on record. That was a

4:19:05combination. Both items moved to the

4:19:07floor. No recommendation together.

4:19:08Correct.

4:19:09>> Thank you. Would

4:19:21the ordinance committee please convene?

4:19:27>> Second.

4:19:28Hi.

4:20:20Okay, the time is now 9:12. Ordinance

4:20:23committee is now in session.

4:20:26First order of business is acceptance of

4:20:28the minutes from the August 17, 2026

4:20:32meeting. Do I have a motion?

4:20:34>> Move to approve.

4:20:35>> Move to approve. Do I have a second?

4:20:36>> Second.

4:20:37>> Second by attorney Deoise. All in favor?

4:20:40>> I.

4:20:40>> I. For. Motion passes on the minutes.

4:20:47Okay. First order of business up before

4:20:49us is PCO26-26,

4:20:51an ordinance to prohibit overnight

4:20:53parking on the easterly side of River

4:20:55Street, docketed by Councilman Foley.

4:20:57And this is for second passage. Uh,

4:20:59[clears throat] Councilman Foley, would

4:21:00you like to weigh in on this item?

4:21:05>> Traffic study done and uh this is a

4:21:08recommendation.

4:21:09>> Okay. Any questions or comments by the

4:21:11members of the committee?

4:21:14Questions or comments by members of the

4:21:15council?

4:21:17public.

4:21:19No. Do we have a motion?

4:21:22Move favorable second passage. Move

4:21:24favorable and second. Do we have a

4:21:25second on the second?

4:21:27>> Second on the second.

4:21:29>> All in favor? I. 40. Motion passes.

4:21:34And we are down to PCO8-26,

4:21:37an ordinance establishing

4:21:39real estate non-utilization tax. Council

4:21:42President Snappy, I'll defer to you. So,

4:21:45when's this being held to? Council

4:21:47solicitor.

4:21:48>> Council solicitor.

4:21:51[clears throat]

4:21:51>> You can handle October 5th.

4:21:53>> All right. He's bold. October 5th,

4:21:56please.

4:21:57>> Okay. The intention is to hold this to

4:21:59October 5th. Any objection?

4:22:02October 5.

4:22:04City solicitor, I believe, needs some

4:22:06time to make some amendments.

4:22:08Seeing no objection. So, held. And that

4:22:12is all of the business before us. 2114.

4:22:14We are adjourned.

4:22:16>> Thank you.

4:22:23>> Would the intergovernmental committee

4:22:25please convene?

4:22:26>> Oh, we're here. We're already convened.

4:22:30[clears throat]

4:22:52Good evening. The time is now 9:15.

4:22:55Intergovernmental comes to order.

4:22:58Uh first up is acceptance of the minutes

4:23:00from August 17, 2026. So I have a

4:23:03motion.

4:23:06Uh moved. Second. All in favor?

4:23:08>> I

4:23:08>> I

4:23:09>> Okay. First order of business, PCR

4:23:1221-26,

4:23:14resolution to the general assembly

4:23:16requesting amendment of the Warick City

4:23:18Charter to expand the membership of and

4:23:21alter the election districts of the

4:23:24Warwick School Committee.

4:23:27Uh this is Councilman Ricks. Councilman

4:23:30Latiser and Councilman Mudo. Uh

4:23:33Councilman Ricks, do you have a

4:23:35preference for this evening?

4:23:37>> Uh yes. I would uh request to hold this

4:23:43uh specifically I would request that

4:23:45this be tabled at this time.

4:23:49Uh there are some ongoing discussions

4:23:52and I think that having some additional

4:23:54time not naming a date certain uh

4:23:57prematurely would be appropriate here.

4:24:02>> Councilman, would you like it moved to

4:24:03the pending file?

4:24:06>> Oh uh yes.

4:24:09Okay. Um,

4:24:11can we make a motion to withdraw here or

4:24:14should we

4:24:16>> uh

4:24:16>> make a recommendation to withdraw?

4:24:18>> Would you like to withdraw or would you

4:24:19like to move it to the pending file?

4:24:20>> Pending.

4:24:21>> Oh, pending.

4:24:22>> Pending.

4:24:22>> Request that it be pending.

4:24:24>> Pending. Okay. Um, so we have a

4:24:27recommendation uh to move it to the

4:24:29pending file. Does uh anyone want to

4:24:31make that motion?

4:24:32>> Make the motion to move it to the

4:24:34pending file.

4:24:34>> Second.

4:24:35>> Second. All in favor? I

4:24:37>> I consider it pending.

4:24:40>> Uh next up, resolution to the city

4:24:42council uh relative to the city council

4:24:45meeting calendar for 2027.

4:24:48Uh we have before us uh calendar.

4:24:51Council president, do you have any

4:24:53comments on said calendar?

4:24:56>> Honestly, I'll defer to the solicitor on

4:24:57it because he was the one kind enough to

4:24:59put it together.

4:25:00>> Thank you, Mr. President. Uh the draft

4:25:02before you this evening uh is intended

4:25:04to reflect the decisions that you made

4:25:06previously for the current calendar

4:25:08year. Uh those priorities to are to uh

4:25:12make sure we avoid school vacation weeks

4:25:14that we try to put meetings on Mondays,

4:25:17avoid uh other holidays. There are a lot

4:25:19of Monday holidays throughout the front

4:25:20half the year in particular. Um, as has

4:25:23been practiced, we are projecting when

4:25:25we would like the budget public hearings

4:25:27to be so that there's ample notice of

4:25:29when the council expects uh the ability

4:25:32to deliberate on that and act uh in a

4:25:34timely manner. Uh, next year's also uh

4:25:37as noted earlier, we have a convening of

4:25:40a new uh council. So, uh, this draft

4:25:44maintains the plan that was done the

4:25:46last couple times with inauguration

4:25:47meeting, uh, per the charter on the

4:25:50first Tuesday of of January, uh, under

4:25:52the same time and place that it's been

4:25:54previously held. um avoiding MLK weekend

4:25:58in uh January, avoiding school vacation

4:26:01and President's Day in February.

4:26:04Uh avoiding school vacation in April. Uh

4:26:09it maintains the one meeting uh in July,

4:26:12August, and September that was put in

4:26:14place for this year. Um as there's been

4:26:17there's also holiday issues about how

4:26:19late Labor Day has been falling,

4:26:21creating uh some backs stop there um in

4:26:24September. and uh

4:26:28and the rest of it [clears throat] is

4:26:29pretty much first and third Monday of

4:26:31the month uh for the back half of the

4:26:32year. But uh in general it reflects uh

4:26:34as closely as I could draft uh the

4:26:37meeting schedule that we are currently

4:26:39operating under.

4:26:41>> Thank you solicitor. Uh just uh my

4:26:44opinion I think this uh threads the

4:26:45needle between all of the concerns uh

4:26:48outlined. I I did check against the

4:26:50school vacation calendar and looks like

4:26:54we avoided that uh major holidays etc.

4:26:57So I think this uh this is a fine

4:27:00calendar for us. Uh any members of the

4:27:03committee have any uh questions,

4:27:04comments, concerns.

4:27:08Seeing none, members of the council? No.

4:27:12Members of the public?

4:27:14Seeing none. Uh do we have a motion?

4:27:17Motion move favorable action.

4:27:18>> Second.

4:27:19>> Uh move seconded. All in favor of

4:27:21adopting this calendar.

4:27:23>> I I

4:27:24>> And that is all that is before us in the

4:27:28intergovernmental committee. Uh we

4:27:30adjourn at 9:19. Thank you.

4:27:37>> That concludes [clears throat]

4:27:38committees. Would we please reconvene

4:27:40the full city council?

4:28:05Yeah, I can imagine.

4:28:11All

4:28:23right. So, following the order of the

4:28:26agenda from the beginning,

4:28:30that brings us to consent calendar PCR

4:28:3398-26

4:28:35resolution wrote of the bid. This is

4:28:36finance councilman Lattis. Finance

4:28:39Committee recommends favorable action on

4:28:41PCR 98-26.

4:28:43>> For action, Councilman Latter,

4:28:44>> move favorable action on PCR 98-26.

4:28:47>> Second.

4:28:48>> There were three bids removed from the

4:28:51PCR 98-26.

4:28:53That is bid 2027159,

4:28:56which has become PCR 10126.

4:29:00Bid 202719

4:29:03has become PCR 10226. and bid 2027134

4:29:08has become PCR 10326.

4:29:12>> All right. Does anyone have any

4:29:13questions on the resolution relative to

4:29:15bids?

4:29:18>> All right. Seeing none, we move on to

4:29:19PCR99-26

4:29:20resolution relative to abatements. This

4:29:22is finance councilman Lattison.

4:29:25>> Committee recommended favorable action

4:29:26with one amendment.

4:29:29>> All right. So, first the amendment

4:29:33>> for action. Move favorable action

4:29:35>> on the proposed amendment.

4:29:38>> No.

4:29:39>> Uh similarly to the bid package, there

4:29:41was a uh two abatements removed uh which

4:29:44reduces the total amount of PCR 99926 to

4:29:47a new total of 20,9720.

4:29:52The two abatements removed were uh

4:29:55relative to Brown number 173 568 and

4:29:59>> Breen not brown. Sorry, Breen and Lewis

4:30:02173587.

4:30:08[clears throat]

4:30:10All right. Any questions on the consent

4:30:12calendar?

4:30:15Seeing none, we have a motion in favor.

4:30:22So, clerk will please call the role.

4:30:28>> Mr. Sappi. Yes,

4:30:30>> Mr. Dlouise.

4:30:31>> Yes,

4:30:32>> Mr. Foley.

4:30:33>> Yes,

4:30:33>> Mr. Ghart.

4:30:34>> Yes,

4:30:35>> Mr. Kirby.

4:30:36>> Yes,

4:30:36>> Mr. Liser.

4:30:37>> Yes,

4:30:38>> Mr. Mutoo.

4:30:39>> Yes,

4:30:39>> Mr. Nappa.

4:30:40>> Yes,

4:30:40>> Mr. Rex.

4:30:42>> 90. Motion passes.

4:30:45>> All right. Now, the first item we have

4:30:47that was removed, we have the

4:30:48abatements.

4:30:52>> It's the PCR for that one.

4:30:58Uh the first item of the abatements of

4:31:00Breen and Lewis is now become PCR 100-26

4:31:05in the amount of $83040.

4:31:10>> All right. Do we have a motion for that

4:31:11one?

4:31:11>> Move favorable action on the amendment

4:31:13as stated.

4:31:14>> Seconded by council me. Is there any

4:31:16discussion on this? Uh seeing none,

4:31:18clerk will please call the role.

4:31:21>> Mr. Sappi,

4:31:22>> recuse.

4:31:25>> Mr. Dlouise.

4:31:26>> Yes.

4:31:27Mr. Foley,

4:31:28>> yes.

4:31:30>> Mr. Ghart,

4:31:31>> yes.

4:31:31>> Mr. Kirby,

4:31:32>> yes.

4:31:33>> Mr. Liser,

4:31:34>> yes.

4:31:34>> Mr. Mutoo,

4:31:35>> yes.

4:31:36>> Mr. Nappa,

4:31:37>> yes.

4:31:37>> Mr. Ricks,

4:31:38>> yes.

4:31:39>> Eight. Motion passes.

4:31:41>> All right. Next, we have bid 2027-159,

4:31:44which is now PCR 101-26.

4:31:47Uh, my understanding is that the request

4:31:49is to hold till October 5th. Is there

4:31:51any objection to that?

4:31:54>> Seeing none, so held.

4:31:55>> Excuse me, Mr. President.

4:31:57>> Um, don't we have to move the abatement

4:31:58as amended?

4:32:00>> We move the amendment.

4:32:02>> Uh, no. When those two abatements were

4:32:04removed, uh, we reflected that

4:32:06adjustment as part of the consent

4:32:08calendar. Okay. And then voted the, um,

4:32:10abatement separately as a separate PCR.

4:32:12>> All right. Thank you.

4:32:15>> All right. So, [clears throat] seeing no

4:32:16objection to holding till October 5th,

4:32:18so held for PCR 101-26.

4:32:21Next is bid 2027-119.

4:32:25Correct.

4:32:26>> All right. Which is now PCR 102-26

4:32:30finance committee. So, Councilman Liser.

4:32:32>> Yes. Um, Mr. President, that was um

4:32:36pulled out because we have one

4:32:37abstension and it was recommended with

4:32:40favorable action.

4:32:42>> All right. So, for action, Councilman

4:32:43Ler,

4:32:43>> move favorable action on PCR 102-26.

4:32:47>> Second by Council Me. Is there any

4:32:49further discussion on this? Seeing none,

4:32:52clerk will please call the role.

4:32:53>> Mr. Sappi. Yes,

4:32:55>> Mr. D. Louise.

4:32:56>> Yes,

4:32:57>> Mr. Foley.

4:32:58>> Yes,

4:32:58>> Mr. Ghart.

4:32:59>> Yes,

4:33:00>> Mr. Kirby.

4:33:01>> Yes,

4:33:01>> Mr. Liser.

4:33:02>> Yes,

4:33:02>> Mr. Mudo.

4:33:03>> Yes,

4:33:04>> Mr. Napa.

4:33:04>> Recuse

4:33:06>> Mr. Ricks.

4:33:08>> Yes.

4:33:08>> Okay. [snorts] Eight. Motion passes.

4:33:12>> All right. Next is bid 2027-134,

4:33:15which is now PCR 103-26.

4:33:18My understanding is that the request is

4:33:20to hold till October 5th. Is there

4:33:23>> is there any objection to that?

4:33:24>> That's correct.

4:33:26>> All right. Seeing none, so held.

4:33:29>> All right. That brings us to Nope. We

4:33:31did these. So, skip ahead here.

4:33:38Brings us to unfinished business.

4:33:39PCO26-26,

4:33:41an ordinance to prohibit overnight

4:33:42parking on the easterly side of River

4:33:44Street. This is ordinance Councilman

4:33:46Napo.

4:33:52The committee recommended favorable

4:33:53action.

4:33:55>> So for action, Councilman Foley,

4:33:57>> move favorable action.

4:33:58>> Second.

4:34:00>> Is there any discussion on the motion?

4:34:03Seeing none, clerk will please call the

4:34:04role.

4:34:06>> Mr. Sappi,

4:34:08>> yes.

4:34:08>> Mr. Dluise,

4:34:09>> yes.

4:34:10>> Mr. Foley,

4:34:11>> yes.

4:34:11>> Mr. Ghart,

4:34:12>> yes.

4:34:13>> Mr. Kirby,

4:34:14>> yes.

4:34:14>> Mr. Liser,

4:34:15>> yes.

4:34:15>> Mr. Mutoo,

4:34:16>> yes.

4:34:17>> Mr. Nappa,

4:34:18>> yes.

4:34:18>> Mr. Rex.

4:34:19>> Yes.

4:34:20>> 90. Motion passes. [snorts]

4:34:22>> Next is PCO8-26, an ordinance

4:34:24establishing a real estate

4:34:25non-utilization tax. My understanding is

4:34:28that the recommendation was to hold to

4:34:29October 5th. Is there any objection to

4:34:31that?

4:34:33See none. So held. Next is PCR 21-26

4:34:37resolution to the general assembly

4:34:38requesting an amendment of the Warick

4:34:41City Charter to expand the membership of

4:34:42and alter the election districts of the

4:34:44Warick School Committee. This is

4:34:47intergovernmental.

4:34:48So, Councilman Gibbart,

4:34:53>> can you repeat that? Sorry.

4:34:55>> This is the PCR 21-26, the resolution of

4:34:58the general assembly. My understanding

4:35:00is that the recommendation was for it to

4:35:01go to the pending file.

4:35:02>> Yeah. Oh. Oh, yes. Yes. Absolutely.

4:35:05>> All right. Is there any objection to

4:35:06that?

4:35:07>> All right. So, held that. Oh, so order.

4:35:11Uh, next is PCR84-26

4:35:1420227-085

4:35:16fire apparatus

4:35:191500 gpm pumper. This is finance. The

4:35:24recommendation was the floor with

4:35:26without a recommendation. Is that

4:35:27correct?

4:35:28>> It was moved to the floor for

4:35:29discussion.

4:35:30>> Got it. All right. So for discussion,

4:35:36>> Councilman Foley,

4:35:39>> Chief uh Oh. Thank you. Um,

4:35:44is the chief of staff still here? Could

4:35:45I talk to him? Ask him the question

4:35:47first.

4:35:55>> Uh, yes sir. with previous conversation

4:35:58with you on this matter. Uh the sizzy

4:36:01solicitor offered uh

4:36:08>> advice and his advice was if we did not

4:36:12go with the bidder that was recommended

4:36:15who followed all the bidding process

4:36:18correctly, the city would be opening

4:36:21itself up to being sued.

4:36:25Is that am I paraphrasing it correctly?

4:36:31>> Yes. Yeah. Exact. I mean what the

4:36:34solicitor u mentioned and I'm not an

4:36:36attorney. It's that

4:36:39Sure. I'm sorry. Um,

4:36:44basically the solicitor meant our our

4:36:46laws require our ordinances require to

4:36:49award to the um lowest responsive bidder

4:36:54and in the solicitor's eyes the we

4:36:59received three bids. Two of the bids

4:37:00were non should not have been should

4:37:03have been disqualified because they were

4:37:05non deemed to be nonresponsive.

4:37:08So, if you're deemed nonresponsive,

4:37:10you can't under the state law and our

4:37:12ordinances can't be awarded the bid. So,

4:37:15this the solicitor basically said that

4:37:17the and and you all have the memo um

4:37:21that the responsive bidder and I believe

4:37:25that was um Greenwood was determined to

4:37:29be responsive

4:37:31um should be awarded the contract. Um,

4:37:35and I'll read the last sentence. U,

4:37:38based on the information provided, is

4:37:40the opinion of the office, the city is

4:37:41justified in rejecting the bulldog

4:37:43onseen bids as non-responsive and

4:37:45proceeding with Greenwood emergency

4:37:46vehicles as the sole responsive bidder

4:37:50provided that Greenwood's bid is

4:37:52otherwise compliant and Greenwood is

4:37:53determined to be responsible. I believe

4:37:55the uh fire department chief and the

4:37:58deputy chief have um described the the

4:38:01process and have determined that

4:38:02Greenwood to be responsive and

4:38:04responsible um and uh the solicitor

4:38:08cites state law and some other Supreme

4:38:10Court decisions that I'm not going to

4:38:12get into.

4:38:12>> Okay. Thank you.

4:38:13>> You're welcome. Based based on the

4:38:15answer that and the information that was

4:38:18provided to the entire council, I make a

4:38:21motion for fable action on the bid as

4:38:24recommended by the chief of department.

4:38:28>> Objection.

4:38:31>> So, it's just a motion. We're not

4:38:32jumping to anything then. So, first is

4:38:34there a second? All right. There's a

4:38:35second by Councilman Nappa. So, now

4:38:37discussion on the motion.

4:38:40Councilman Lisher, I think you have

4:38:41something you want to say. So, um, let

4:38:44me start off by saying I don't have an

4:38:46objection to purchasing

4:38:51either of these vehicles. My objection

4:38:54is rather extensive because the

4:39:00the

4:39:02demands in the RFP

4:39:05are very restrictive.

4:39:09And what it is doing, it is restricting

4:39:12competition.

4:39:14It states you cannot deviate, you can't

4:39:19object or whatever the the terminology

4:39:21is. And if you do, your bid is going to

4:39:24be booted.

4:39:26That establishes in my opinion

4:39:30>> that that's not true. Councilman,

4:39:31>> what does it what does it say then? It

4:39:33said if you deviate, your bid won't be

4:39:35considered.

4:39:35>> Right. What you just said is not

4:39:37correct. Councilman,

4:39:38>> what does it say? What is it then?

4:39:39>> It says total exceptions to the specific

4:39:42>> total exception. Okay.

4:39:43>> So, even Greenwood took some exceptions

4:39:48and listed them off in the specification

4:39:50checklist. They took the time to go

4:39:53through the checklist and checked off

4:39:56what they did not comply with. The other

4:39:59two biders did not do that at all. They

4:40:02simply left it either they did not

4:40:04submit it at all or they left it blank.

4:40:07So what we put in the bid was total

4:40:10exceptions to the bid will not be

4:40:13accepted. And that's exactly what the

4:40:15other two biders did. They could have

4:40:18listed where they [clears throat]

4:40:20deviated from the specification list

4:40:22like Greenwood did and would have been a

4:40:25contender in it. They did not do that.

4:40:28As you've pointed out in the past, they

4:40:30were lazy bidders. They did not go

4:40:32through the bid process and fill out the

4:40:36paperwork like Greenwood did.

4:40:38>> So just by having those two words in

4:40:41there, Chief, total exception. Is that

4:40:43what you said? Is that your terminology?

4:40:46>> Total exceptions to the bid would not be

4:40:48>> um

4:40:49>> Yeah.

4:40:49>> So

4:40:51that's not restrictive. So they can't

4:40:54they can't a bidder can't provide you

4:40:56with an or equal. I don't see the RFP

4:40:59even suggesting to provide with an or

4:41:02equal. And what we're talking about

4:41:04here, what we're talking about here is

4:41:06we're talking about um a pumper, a

4:41:101500gallon pumper. And we're talking

4:41:13about almost a $200,000 difference

4:41:16between the customs designed,

4:41:19customsspeced vehicle that the fire

4:41:23department has requested versus another

4:41:26vehicle that can get to a fire, get

4:41:30there basically the same time, pumps,

4:41:341500 gallons or has 1500 gallons, etc.

4:41:38Um, so that's what we're talking about

4:41:40here. We're talking about a vehicle that

4:41:44is essentially going to do the same job.

4:41:46May not have quite as many frills or

4:41:48quite as many options, but it's still

4:41:50it's going to get there when it's

4:41:51supposed to. It's going to do the job

4:41:53it's supposed to. It's going to pump out

4:41:55the same amount of water. So, with that

4:41:57said, I'm going to ask some questions

4:42:01that I would appreciate for right now in

4:42:04these six questions. Um, basically a yes

4:42:07and no answer.

4:42:10Does the truck

4:42:14that

4:42:15you're proposing,

4:42:18does it pump any more water than the

4:42:22other two bids that were disqualified?

4:42:30>> They were all equipped with a 1500

4:42:32gallon per minute pump, I believe.

4:42:33>> Okay. Does that truck hold any more

4:42:36water than the other two vehicles?

4:42:38That's a good question because Bulldog

4:42:40submitted in one documentation that it

4:42:42came with a 750galon tank of water and

4:42:46in the other documentation it lists it

4:42:49having a,00gallon tank of water. So I

4:42:52don't know how big the tank was in

4:42:54Bulldog's uh specification because they

4:42:57listed two different sizes which if they

4:42:59adhered to our specification checklist

4:43:02that would have clarified that. So

4:43:03Greenwood holds 750 right?

4:43:07>> Correct. Okay.

4:43:10The truck that you're proposing is going

4:43:13to take three years to get here. The low

4:43:18bidder has a truck here in 90 days. Is

4:43:22that correct?

4:43:24>> That's correct.

4:43:24>> Okay.

4:43:25>> But we don't need the truck in 90 days.

4:43:28>> Does the truck you're proposing, is it

4:43:32going to extinguish a fire any quicker

4:43:34than the other two vehicles?

4:43:37based upon the water it's producing.

4:43:39Well, some people may not think that

4:43:41that question is pertinent, but I do.

4:43:42>> I can't answer that question,

4:43:43Councilman. It's a hypothetical

4:43:44question.

4:43:46>> So, Chief, this is um

4:43:50Oh, one more question for us. Is

4:43:54are all three of these vehicles NFPA

4:43:58certified?

4:44:00>> All three are correct.

4:44:03So tell me why

4:44:06the fire department feels that the truck

4:44:10you're putting forth is worth $200,000

4:44:14more than I'm going to go to the bulldog

4:44:19because I've reached out to other

4:44:21communities

4:44:23for answers. So I want to hear your

4:44:26answer as to why you feel this vehicle

4:44:29is worth an additional $200,000 more.

4:44:33So I believe in some of those

4:44:35communities that you reached out to,

4:44:38they were not the same demographic

4:44:42that the city of Warwick is. They were

4:44:45not a city department. They were smaller

4:44:47departments. They were combination

4:44:51volunteer paid department. Uh in some

4:44:54cases uh only staffing one pumper

4:44:58throughout their entire town. And in one

4:45:01particular case, I know that

4:45:05they were in desperate need of a pumper

4:45:07because their frontline piece

4:45:10had a frustrated

4:45:12uh frame and was deemed to be out of

4:45:15service. So 90 days uh 90day turnaround

4:45:19for the purchase was very attractive to

4:45:21them. We're not in that situation. This

4:45:25piece of apparatus, this pumper that

4:45:27we've gone out to bid for is part of our

4:45:29apparatus replacement plan

4:45:33and we already have two other pumpers on

4:45:35order through them. This will be the

4:45:37third one, which is why waiting three

4:45:40years for it uh does not create a

4:45:42hardship for us. In fact, we are that's

4:45:45what we're planning on. We're planning

4:45:46on this truck not being available for

4:45:48three years so that will replace a

4:45:50vehicle that needs replacement in three

4:45:51years.

4:45:53We've worked very hard to put forward an

4:45:56apparatus replacement plan that would

4:45:59not force us to go out and replace half

4:46:01the fleet all at once like some

4:46:03departments have had to do. It allows us

4:46:06time to

4:46:08uh we develop the spec. We order the

4:46:11trucks that are all the same spec. So

4:46:13all of our trucks are set up the same.

4:46:16Uh, this E1 truck that we're purchasing

4:46:19has a lot of safety systems built into

4:46:21it, which was important to us for

4:46:23firefighter safety. Apparatus roll cage

4:46:27built into the into the frame of the

4:46:29truck. Galvanized frame rails. It has uh

4:46:33airbag deployment system for front and

4:46:35side impact accidents. There's a lot of

4:46:37firefighter safety that was built into

4:46:40this truck that the truck from Bulldog

4:46:42and the other truck from uh

4:46:45uh on scene do not have. We don't

4:46:50consider that bells and whistles when it

4:46:52uh is paramount to firefighter safety. I

4:46:55can certainly point to a lot of

4:46:56communities around us that have built

4:46:59trucks with lots lots of bells and

4:47:01whistles in them and cost roughly

4:47:04$200,000 to 250 more than what our

4:47:08trucks cost. We were very careful to

4:47:10develop a spec that took into account

4:47:12the needs of the department were going

4:47:15to be pumpers that would last us uh a

4:47:18long time, get us to that 20 year mark

4:47:21by doing things um specifically like the

4:47:25galvanized frame rails so that we don't

4:47:27have to worry about frame rot which uh

4:47:30has caused us to put many of our other

4:47:32trucks out of service um and not being

4:47:35able to use them for reserve oper

4:47:37reserve capability.

4:47:40Well, thank you for that, Chief. Um, I

4:47:42don't know where you got your

4:47:43information as to who I reached out to,

4:47:47but the

4:47:49departments that I reached out to are

4:47:51actually larger than ours.

4:47:54>> Well, some of them reached out to me

4:47:56after they

4:47:56>> Can I finish?

4:47:58one has um

4:48:02285 compliment

4:48:05and it's a city with a population of

4:48:07110,000 people.

4:48:10Another department I reached out to has

4:48:12over 300

4:48:14staff firefighters and 11 stations. So

4:48:18they're not smaller than War,

4:48:22they're actually larger.

4:48:25Now the departments that I reached out

4:48:29to

4:48:33they have been using um Bulldog

4:48:38one company goes back to 2012.

4:48:43They have six pumpers, one tiller, one

4:48:45rescue,

4:48:47two pumpers, couple just placed on

4:48:50order. But the point is with all of

4:48:53these vehicles that these other

4:48:55departments have, they have been

4:48:58extremely happy with um the quality of

4:49:01the Bulldog product. They have been

4:49:04extremely happy with the service.

4:49:07And some of the reasoning for the

4:49:10service is because the bulldog truck

4:49:12doesn't have proprietary pots

4:49:16such as the Pierce vehicle which is all

4:49:19proprietary

4:49:21which makes those pots far more

4:49:23expensive to replace, far more difficult

4:49:26to get in terms of time which is another

4:49:29reason why one manufacturer is going to

4:49:32take three years to deliver a vehicle as

4:49:35opposed to 90 May I ask a question?

4:49:38>> Sure.

4:49:39>> When you refer to Bulldog, what is the

4:49:41brand you're referring to? Bulldog

4:49:43carries several brands. There's there's

4:49:45three, right?

4:49:47>> I'm not exactly sure how many they but I

4:49:48know they carry more than one brand of

4:49:50fire apparatus.

4:49:51>> Right. Well, the um people I spoke to,

4:49:55they're using two different ones of

4:49:57Fouse, I think it is. Um, and I forget

4:50:01the name of the other, but the point

4:50:04here is that I don't have a problem with

4:50:08the department needing a fire truck or a

4:50:11rescue.

4:50:13I have a very difficult time

4:50:16approving an additional $200,000 of

4:50:20taxpayer monies when there are u other

4:50:24vehicles available now, which you say

4:50:27you don't need it now. Well, okay, then

4:50:30perhaps we need to wait and order it

4:50:32when you do need it. And

4:50:35also

4:50:38using a company that pots are readily

4:50:42available. Most you can get from Napper

4:50:45or O'Reilly's. You're not going to be

4:50:48paying exorbitant amounts of monies

4:50:50because of prior prior

4:50:54proprietary

4:50:56pots.

4:51:01with the Pierce

4:51:04folks.

4:51:06I've been told that they even charge to

4:51:09do an assessment as to whether or not

4:51:13your alternator doesn't work. And if you

4:51:16buy it from us, we'll credit you back.

4:51:18If you don't buy it from us, you're

4:51:20going to pay us to evaluate it anyways.

4:51:26The cabin chassis

4:51:31in your opinion, do they really vary

4:51:34from one truck to another? The cabin

4:51:37chassis?

4:51:38>> Yes, you do. Mhm.

4:51:40>> Especially when they're in accidents.

4:51:41>> It's what, please?

4:51:42>> Especially when they're in accidents.

4:51:44Involved in accidents.

4:51:45>> Mhm. Well, hopefully, you know, that

4:51:48doesn't happen. Of course. Um

4:51:52the it was stated at the last meeting

4:51:55that um it was uncertain whether or not

4:51:57the bulldog has a galvanized frame or

4:52:00not. And um it's been told to me that

4:52:04they do in fact have a galvanized the

4:52:07steel members. Now some connections or

4:52:10something are not but the main frame is.

4:52:13That's not what they listed in their

4:52:15specification sheet. It's what please?

4:52:17>> That's not what they listed in their

4:52:18specification sheet.

4:52:21It doesn't say that in the specification

4:52:22sheet.

4:52:23>> No,

4:52:26>> you have that specification sheet,

4:52:27right?

4:52:28>> I do. Okay.

4:52:34Well,

4:52:37the vehicle that you're looking to

4:52:39replace,

4:52:43do you make decisions on replacing

4:52:45vehicles by mileage or by hours on the

4:52:49engines?

4:52:52>> We do it in conjunction with the uh

4:52:54Department of Public Works repair

4:52:55division. Uh vehicles are taken out of

4:52:59service for a variety of reasons.

4:53:02uh could be from frame rot. We've had

4:53:05two pumpers that were taken out of

4:53:08service. They went directly from

4:53:09frontline service to being deemed unfit

4:53:12for the road due to frame rot. Um,

4:53:16ideally the ideal situation is to take a

4:53:20vehicle from frontline service out of

4:53:22service before it's deemed to be unsafe

4:53:24so that we can get a couple of years of

4:53:26reserve service out of it so that we can

4:53:30use it when our frontline trucks are

4:53:33down for repairs or preventive

4:53:36maintenance or issues like that. Um, so

4:53:40a a truck is taken out of service.

4:53:42There's a number of factors that would

4:53:44be taken into account for that, but

4:53:46often it's done in conjunction with uh

4:53:50the mechanics from the repair division.

4:53:54>> And what I mean by what I mean by that

4:53:55is, you know,

4:53:57>> if there was a a big repair coming

4:53:59before us for a particular truck, we

4:54:02would have a conversation with them

4:54:03about whether or not it was worth

4:54:04investing any more money in that

4:54:06vehicle.

4:54:08Chief, how many hours on the pumper that

4:54:10you're going to replace with the new

4:54:13one? Um, bear with me for one second.

4:54:27So, in the um in the email that I

4:54:30believe you asked this question by email

4:54:33u a couple weeks back. Um,

4:54:36this truck would be replacing one of

4:54:41one of a few type a few trucks we have.

4:54:44Um, a 2009 model, a 2012 model, a 2011

4:54:49model. So, if this were to replace the

4:54:522012 model, um right now that truck has

4:54:57127,000

4:54:58miles. The hours of that um

4:55:04the hour the hour meter uh was reset due

4:55:08to a uh ECM replacement. So, it reset

4:55:12the engine hours. So, we're not exactly

4:55:13sure how many hours we have on that

4:55:15right now. Um,

4:55:17the oldest truck in the fleet is a 2009

4:55:22model with 150,000 miles. That one has

4:55:2511,763

4:55:28hours on it.

4:55:31Um I'm asking that question

4:55:33[clears throat] because that's some of

4:55:36the questions I had asked um of the

4:55:38other departments and um

4:55:42one particular department that has the

4:55:46the bulldog vehicle. It's a 2005

4:55:49and it has 27,000 hours on it. It's a

4:55:52pumper has 27,000 hours on it and um

4:55:57it's still working fine. They have a

4:56:011996 truck that they're still using

4:56:07and it's working fine.

4:56:10So, I can't justify

4:56:13spending an extra $200,000

4:56:16on one pumper when there is another

4:56:21product available that has very high

4:56:26recommendations from three other

4:56:28departments that's $200,000 less. And I

4:56:33haven't heard anything that

4:56:38tells me that that

4:56:41shouldn't be. So again, I don't dispute.

4:56:46I don't have a problem with voting for a

4:56:51new pumper for the fire department, but

4:56:53I am not going to be able to vote for a

4:56:56vehicle that we can get for $200,000

4:57:00less that is going to essentially do the

4:57:03same job.

4:57:04>> So, that's where I am.

4:57:06>> You're out of time.

4:57:07>> Thank you. I'm out of comments, too.

4:57:09>> Sorry, I was trying to wait till the

4:57:10end.

4:57:12Uh just so we're all clear, based on the

4:57:14memo provided by the city solicitor,

4:57:16[clears throat]

4:57:18>> the decision before us is basically do

4:57:20we want to go with Greenwood as the only

4:57:22person who actually abided by the bid

4:57:25specs? Well, just to confirm, is it from

4:57:29the administration's perspective, did

4:57:30Greenwood's bid comply with the

4:57:32specifications and all requirements of

4:57:34the solicitation?

4:57:35>> Yes.

4:57:35>> All right. So then per the memo we

4:57:37received, the the decision is between

4:57:41approving it for Greenwood or

4:57:44nobody. We we're if we chose one of the

4:57:47other two biders given that they were

4:57:50did not comply

4:57:52with the bid specs, uh we would open

4:57:54ourselves up to litigation and it's not

4:57:56even speculative as we had an issue in

4:57:59this regard within the last few years as

4:58:01you all likely recall. So, and

4:58:03especially given that as Councilman

4:58:04Lazer pointed out, this is not a a small

4:58:07dollar item. It is significant amount of

4:58:10money. Councilman Napa,

4:58:14>> Chief, I just wanted to clarify a couple

4:58:16things. Um,

4:58:20you had mentioned that the waiting of 3

4:58:23years to get the truck did not cause a

4:58:25significant hardship. I think possibly

4:58:27what you meant to say was that it in

4:58:29fact does cause a significant hardship,

4:58:31but due to your planning knowing that

4:58:32the antitrust issues that the fire

4:58:35department the firet truck manufacturing

4:58:37companies are putting on all the fire

4:58:38departments that you planned for that

4:58:39and that it does in fact cause a

4:58:41hardship.

4:58:42>> Correct. You're right.

4:58:44>> So it it it's forced us it's forced us

4:58:47to rethink how we uh plan for apparass

4:58:51replacement. So that the the at one time

4:58:54the truck I came before you today may

4:58:57have been for six months down the road.

4:58:59Today that's for three years down the

4:59:01road. So um before I got to this point,

4:59:04I've already planned for this year and

4:59:06next year. So this is for that third

4:59:08year.

4:59:09>> Understood. Thank you. And then just to

4:59:12kind of caveat of a couple things that

4:59:14[snorts] Councilman Lattis had said, the

4:59:16truck that Bulldog did present, I saw I

4:59:20did go through their bid package once we

4:59:22got them from purchasing and it showed

4:59:24that they had like a polymer coat on

4:59:26their underframe, not the galvanized.

4:59:28And my understanding after I looked into

4:59:30it, galvanized lasts about 20 years.

4:59:32That polymer coat does nothing to extend

4:59:34the life. It's more used for sound

4:59:35dampening [clears throat] and like

4:59:37>> protecting the underc carriage from road

4:59:39debris that might bounce up and that

4:59:41needs to be replaced every five or so

4:59:42years depending on usage.

4:59:44>> We have purchased other apparatus with

4:59:46that coat on it through a different

4:59:47vendor and we've had frames that have

4:59:50rotted in uh 14 15 years.

4:59:55>> Understood.

4:59:56>> And that's and that is why we went that

4:59:58is why we included the galvanized frame

5:00:00rail in our specifications so we don't

5:00:02have that happen again. And there was

5:00:04nothing preventing Bulldog or any of the

5:00:07other companies from

5:00:09checking off what they didn't comply

5:00:11with. For instance, no, I took an

5:00:12exception to the galvanized frame, but

5:00:13I'm presenting you this, and this is the

5:00:15option that I think is just as good. So,

5:00:16they could have easily complied.

5:00:18>> Exactly.

5:00:19>> Okay, that's all I have.

5:00:24>> Does anyone else have anything on this

5:00:25item?

5:00:30I I can't call you unless somebody

5:00:31grants you more time.

5:00:34I fall into that category of anyone

5:00:36else. [laughter]

5:00:38>> Anyone? Anyone else? All right. Well,

5:00:41seeing none and seeing as Councilman

5:00:43Ladish is out of time, we have a motion

5:00:45for favorable action before us and it

5:00:47was seconded.

5:00:49So, clerk will please call the role.

5:00:55>> Mr. Sappi,

5:00:56>> yes.

5:00:57>> Mr. Dlouise,

5:01:00>> yes.

5:01:01>> Mr. Foley,

5:01:02>> yes.

5:01:03>> Mr. Ghart,

5:01:04>> yes.

5:01:04>> Mr. Kirby,

5:01:05>> yes.

5:01:06>> Mr. Liser,

5:01:07>> no.

5:01:08>> Mr. Mutoo,

5:01:09>> yes.

5:01:10>> Mr. Nappa,

5:01:11>> yes.

5:01:11>> Mr. Ricks,

5:01:13>> yes.

5:01:14>> 8 to1. Motion passes.

5:01:16>> All right. Next for us is PCR85-26

5:01:202022-086

5:01:22fire apparatus type 1 ambulance. This is

5:01:25finance Councilman Liser.

5:01:28Uh the committee u moved to the floor

5:01:30for discussion.

5:01:32>> All right. Same thing without

5:01:33recommendation. Got it. Councilman

5:01:34Foley.

5:01:35>> Uh same position that I had on the

5:01:38previous one. Uh based on the

5:01:40recommendation of solicitor and

5:01:43everything we've heard. Uh I make a

5:01:45motion for favorable action.

5:01:47>> Second.

5:01:48>> All right. So motion made and second. Is

5:01:49there any discussion on it? Councilman

5:01:51Addison.

5:01:54So, I will be voting um again not

5:01:58against purchasing a rescue. As a matter

5:02:00of fact, um people sitting on this

5:02:03council, the current chiefs have heard

5:02:06me say numerous times that I am a

5:02:09supporter of purchasing the um

5:02:13ambulances, the rescues. Have been a

5:02:16supporter of those right along. However,

5:02:18I cannot support spending a 27,000 or

5:02:22$28,000 difference um on a vehicle

5:02:26[clears throat]

5:02:27because of specs.

5:02:31So, for that reason um and only that

5:02:34reason, I'll be voting no on this

5:02:36because of the financial difference.

5:02:38Thank you.

5:02:42>> Is there any further discussion on this

5:02:44item?

5:02:45>> All right. Seeing none, clerk will

5:02:46please call the role.

5:02:49>> Mr. Sappi,

5:02:50>> yes.

5:02:51>> Mr. Dlouise,

5:02:52>> yes.

5:02:53>> Mr. Foley,

5:02:54>> yes.

5:02:54>> Mr. Gart,

5:02:55>> yes.

5:02:56>> Mr. Kirby,

5:02:57>> yes.

5:02:57>> Mr. Liser,

5:02:58>> no.

5:02:59>> Mr. Mutoo,

5:03:00>> yes.

5:03:00>> Mr. Nappa,

5:03:01>> yes.

5:03:02>> Mr. Rex,

5:03:03>> yes.

5:03:04>> 81. Motion passes.

5:03:06>> All right. Next, we're on to new

5:03:08business. PCR 79-26, resolution relative

5:03:11to the city council meeting calendar for

5:03:122027. This is intergovernmental.

5:03:14Councilman Gart

5:03:16>> committee recommended favorable action

5:03:17>> for action. Councilman Gibart

5:03:19>> move favorable action. Second

5:03:21>> seconded by council mito. Is there any

5:03:23further discussion on this item?

5:03:25>> Seeing none, clerk will please call the

5:03:26role.

5:03:28>> Mr. Sappy,

5:03:29>> yes.

5:03:29>> Mr. Dluise,

5:03:31>> yes.

5:03:31>> Mr. Foley,

5:03:32>> yes.

5:03:33>> Mr. Ghart,

5:03:34>> yes.

5:03:35>> Mr. Kirby,

5:03:36>> yes.

5:03:36>> Mr. Liser,

5:03:37>> yes.

5:03:38>> Mr. Mutoo,

5:03:38>> yes.

5:03:39>> Mr. Nappa, yes.

5:03:40>> Mr. Ricks,

5:03:41>> yes.

5:03:42>> 90. Motion passes.

5:03:44All right. Next is PCR 90-26, a

5:03:47resolution regards to installing a stop

5:03:49sign on Headley Drive where it

5:03:50intersects Moccasin Drive. This is

5:03:52public safety.

5:03:56>> The uh committee recommended favorable

5:03:58action

5:03:59>> for action. Council me.

5:04:00>> Favor action.

5:04:02>> Second.

5:04:03>> Motion for favorable action from Council

5:04:05Me. Seconded by Councilman Liser. Is

5:04:06there any further discussion on this

5:04:08motion?

5:04:09>> Seeing none, clerk will please call the

5:04:11role.

5:04:11>> Mr. Sappi.

5:04:12>> Yes.

5:04:13>> Mr. Mr. Dluise,

5:04:14>> yes.

5:04:14>> Mr. Foley,

5:04:15>> yes.

5:04:16>> Mr. Ghart,

5:04:17>> yes.

5:04:17>> Mr. Kirby,

5:04:18>> yes.

5:04:19>> Mr. Latiser,

5:04:20>> yes.

5:04:21>> Mr. Mutoo,

5:04:22>> yes.

5:04:22>> Mr. Nappa,

5:04:23>> yes.

5:04:23>> Mr. Rex,

5:04:24>> yes.

5:04:25>> 90. [clears throat] Motion passes.

5:04:27>> All right. Next is PCR 92-26 resolution

5:04:30relative to the Andrew Castro claim. My

5:04:32understanding is that the request is to

5:04:34hold till October 19th.

5:04:36>> That is correct.

5:04:37>> Is there any objection to holding said

5:04:39claim till that date? Seeing none, so

5:04:41held. Next up is PCR93-26

5:04:44resolution relative to Norine Makawit's

5:04:46claim. This is public safety.

5:04:49>> Uh the committee recommended favorable

5:04:51action.

5:04:52>> So for action, Councilman Mido,

5:04:54>> uh move for favor action.

5:04:56>> Oh, I should I should have did

5:04:56Councilman Gar. I'm sorry.

5:04:58>> Oh, second.

5:05:00>> You got on there. All right. Uh any

5:05:03further discussion on this item?

5:05:07>> All right. Seeing none, clerk will

5:05:08please call the role.

5:05:09>> Mr. Sappi.

5:05:11>> Yes.

5:05:11>> Mr. Mr. Dlouise.

5:05:13>> Yes.

5:05:13>> Mr. Foley,

5:05:14>> yes.

5:05:15>> Mr. Ghart,

5:05:16>> yes.

5:05:16>> Mr. Kirby,

5:05:17>> yes.

5:05:18>> Mr. Liser,

5:05:18>> yes.

5:05:19>> Mr. Mutoo,

5:05:20>> yes.

5:05:20>> Mr. Nappa,

5:05:21>> yes.

5:05:21>> Mr. Rex,

5:05:22>> yes.

5:05:23>> 90. Motion passes.

5:05:25>> All right. On to unanimous consent. Does

5:05:27anyone have anything for unanimous

5:05:28consent?

5:05:30I see none. We'll just look at

5:05:31Councilman Foley.

5:05:33>> Since there's no further business in

5:05:35front of this honorable body, I move to

5:05:37a documenting session.

5:05:40>> All right.

5:05:42Docking session counts.

5:05:44Oh, any objection to going to the

5:05:45docking session? Good choice. All right.

5:05:48Ward one. Uh I have I believe an

5:05:52ordinance. Uh I'm looking for extending

5:05:56the restriction on heavy trucks through

5:05:59Puxit Village up Post Road

5:06:04uh to Warwick Avenue.

5:06:12Uh, this is in the form of an ordinance.

5:06:15>> Say that again. I'm sorry, I can't hear

5:06:17you, William.

5:06:17>> You're docketing an ordinance.

5:06:19>> Yes. Goes to ordinance.

5:06:23>> Anything else?

5:06:24>> What?

5:06:24>> Going to ordinance.

5:06:26It's going to the ordinance committee.

5:06:28>> I can't sign.

5:06:30>> I need a sign.

5:06:31>> Thank you.

5:06:33>> All right. W two.

5:06:36>> All right. Three items.

5:06:39Okay. First item, an ordinance. An

5:06:42ordinance amending the zoning ordinances

5:06:44of the city of Warick to restrict

5:06:47construction of self storage facilities

5:06:50and data centers.

5:06:52That's the tenative title

5:06:57>> uh public properties.

5:07:01Second tenative title, an ordinance

5:07:03amending chapter 6 boards and

5:07:05commissions and chapter [clears throat]

5:07:0778 trees relative to the tree

5:07:11commission.

5:07:13>> Uh should be ordinance.

5:07:16Third, and finally, a resolution,

5:07:18tenative title, a resolution requesting

5:07:21that the city administration investigate

5:07:23and take appropriate measures to address

5:07:26storm water drainage upon the property

5:07:29of Pilgrim High School

5:07:32in Gov.

5:07:34>> That's all. Thank you. Ward four.

5:07:38>> All right, you're three. W three.

5:07:41>> W four.

5:07:43>> Counting's hard. Leave me alone. Ward

5:07:45five. W six. Ward seven.

5:07:48>> Yes.

5:07:49>> Ward nine.

5:07:50>> All right. And then I got two. We got an

5:07:54ordinance amending section 60-399

5:07:59for indexation of benefits for retirees

5:08:01and beneficiaries. This is on behalf of

5:08:03the mayor

5:08:09>> finance.

5:08:10And then the other one is a resolution

5:08:12to the general assembly regarding tax

5:08:14exemptions

5:08:17>> interg.

5:08:21>> And that's all for me. Council adjourns

5:08:24at exactly 10 p.m.

5:08:38>> I thought it was Ed. That's why I walk

5:08:40slowly.

5:08:42[laughter]

5:08:45>> It's on

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