2026-10-28 - Historic Preservation Commission

01:44Good afternoon. I'd like to call this

01:47meeting of the Historic Preservation

01:48Commission to order. And our first item

01:52of business is to take roll.

02:00>> Chair

02:01>> Here.

02:02>> Commissioner Lavayan

02:04>> Here.

02:04>> Commissioner Stodel

02:06>> Present.

02:06>> Commissioner Seraphus

02:08>> Here.

02:08>> Commissioner Cosgrove

02:12>> Here.

02:13>> Commissioner Palacious

02:15Commissioner Moody

02:16>> Here.

02:17>> Commissioner Purdue

02:18>> Here.

02:19>> Commissioner Grimmer

02:22Commissioner Harper

02:24Commissioner Seibrant

02:27>> Here.

02:27>> Thank you. We do have a quorum.

02:32>> Thank you. And our second item is an

02:34announcement regarding our compliance

02:36with open meeting law. Are we in

02:37compliance?

02:38>> Yes, we are in compliance.

02:42>> Our third item today is public comment.

02:44Comment during this portion of the

02:46agenda must be limited to matters on the

02:48agenda for action. If you wish to be

02:50heard, please come forward and give your

02:52name for the record. The amount of

02:54discussion, as well as the amount of

02:56time any single speaker is allowed may

02:59be limited. Do we have any members of

03:02the public wishing to speak at this

03:03time?

03:07Seeing no one, we will move on to item

03:10number four for possible action to

03:13approve the final minutes by reference

03:15of the regular meeting of September

03:1723rd, 2026.

03:20Do we have any comments on the minutes?

03:23And if not, I would look for a motion to

03:25approve.

03:27>> I'll move.

03:27>> Joel Law for the record.

03:30>> We have a motion to approve. All those

03:32in favor, please say I.

03:33>> I. I.

03:36>> I.

03:37>> Any opposed?

03:40That motion carries with the chair also

03:42voting in favor.

03:45Item number five 26-0473-HPC1,

03:51a report by J. Dapper, principal of

03:53Dapper Companies, regarding the status

03:55of the Huntridge Theater located at 1208

03:59East Charleston Boulevard.

04:02Good afternoon.

04:03>> Hi, how are you?

04:05>> Great.

04:05>> Um J. Dapper, 5030 Paradise Road.

04:08Um I am here to give an update today on

04:12the Hundridge Theater. Um I don't have

04:14much of an update uh this meeting. Not a

04:17lot has changed since the last meeting.

04:19Um I believe that and uh

04:23Dr. Seebrandt, um

04:25did you distribute out the AMS report

04:28after the last meeting?

04:30>> Yes.

04:31>> Okay. So, then you guys should have a

04:33copy of the AMS report. And um I don't

04:37know if you've had a chance to review

04:38it, but um I believe that the city has

04:40started the second phase of that. In

04:43addition to the second phase,

04:46I think that um

04:47the

04:48you know, the desire for me to move

04:50forward on the

04:51uh the public-private part

04:53Hello?

04:54The public-private partnership that I

04:56described, you know, the last couple of

04:57times I'm I came uh is still what I

05:01intend to do. Um but in order for us to

05:03be able to go through all the way

05:04through that process, I believe that the

05:07next phase has to be complete. Um the

05:10Harbor the It's called Hal- Halbert

05:13Company,

05:14which is the public works um contractor

05:17that's been doing the large road

05:19construction project,

05:21um just recently notified me that their

05:23project is coming to an end. Um and I'm

05:26going to be meeting with them the first

05:28week of November to walk the property

05:30and go through, you know, the condition

05:32of the parking lot and the areas that

05:34they were using. Uh they recently

05:36removed the fence that was around the

05:37Hundridge. Um our our plan is actually

05:40to put the fence back up around the

05:43perimeter in order to continue to

05:45protect the building.

05:46And um other than that, I don't think

05:50that I have any other updates and would

05:52be happy to answer any questions.

05:56>> Thank you, Mr. Dapper. Do we have any

05:58questions from our commissioners?

06:04>> It's a Commissioner Harper for the

06:05record.

06:07Um with the the work on the the parking

06:10lot in the area there, do you anticipate

06:12any work needing to be done to get that

06:13that parking lot into

06:16condition?

06:17>> Yeah, so um

06:18the parking lot when we when the

06:21renovation of the building ultimately

06:22happens, the that parking lot will have

06:24to be replaced. Um the Harbor the

06:28Haber company maybe is what it's called.

06:30Um there were definitely um some there's

06:34some damage to the the parking lot as it

06:36sat back then. You know, there was a lot

06:39heavier equipment that was on the

06:40property than we originally anticipated.

06:43Um because the parking lot is old, it's

06:45kind of it's a little difficult. Um

06:48we're we have this walk-through

06:49scheduled where we have the photos of

06:51the parking lot before they started. And

06:54then obviously, you know, it looks the

06:55way that it looks today. So, there is an

06:58expectation that there are some repairs

07:00and things that they need to make. We

07:01just have to determine what those are

07:03through that walk-through process.

07:05Um

07:06they they also said that there is a

07:08possibility there's another project that

07:11they are bidding on that could be in the

07:14vicinity. And they actually said that

07:15there's if if they end up getting that

07:18project, they asked if the parking lot

07:20was still available. And I told them it

07:22would be dependent upon timing and other

07:23things. And so, we're going to discuss

07:25that at the walk-through. Um and then

07:28also uh another small update that I

07:30forgot

07:31to mention, which I don't even think

07:33that this is actionable or that we could

07:35talk about it at this meeting, but I

07:36might as well bring it up.

07:38Because we, you know, haven't done a lot

07:40of progress

07:41um this year, you know, my plan is

07:44there's a annual review that I think

07:46this board does uh pertaining to the

07:48reduction of the liquidated damages

07:51um that were assessed to the original

07:53owner before I purchased it. And then

07:55when the city took it over,

07:57um my plan, which I think I mentioned

07:59this maybe the last time when I was

08:00here, is to not seek that reduction of

08:03those liquidated damages uh for this

08:05year.

08:06Um

08:07and so, I don't know, um, I I talked to

08:11uh, Floy- uh, Seth Floyd in reference to

08:15this, but apparently this is something

08:17that maybe gets handled at the last

08:19meeting of the year. So, I just wanted

08:20to bring that up ahead of time.

08:26>> Couple questions, uh, uh,

08:32just kind of a reference point. Uh, this

08:34month we're celebrating the 82nd

08:37birthday of the opening of the Hunt

08:38Ridge, which was on October the, uh,

08:42uh,

08:42I think the 14th or 15th, near the end

08:45of the month. And and I read that it,

08:48uh,

08:49it opened with the movie Hellzapoppin.

08:52Which seems to be a, uh, an appropriate

08:55term for what seems to be going on today

08:57with with Hunt Ridge, lots of different

08:59interests, but

09:00at at our meeting April the 28th, you

09:03indicated that

09:05you hope to have your plan was to have

09:09the ownership of the Hunt Ridge moved

09:11from

09:14uh, a profit-making, so to speak, side

09:17over to the nonprofit your nonprofit

09:20group called the Hunt Ridge

09:21Conservatory.

09:22>> That's accurate, yes.

09:23>> Is that still your plan?

09:24>> Yes.

09:25>> Okay.

09:26>> Yeah, and right now, um, one of the

09:28things that I've been doing is a lot of

09:30outreach with all of, we'll call it, you

09:33know, everybody at the city on the

09:35seventh floor, um, from city manager,

09:38uh, to council and mayor.

09:41And so, I've had multiple meetings, um,

09:44in reference to that. I just met with

09:47Mike Jansen last week, um, pertaining

09:50to, you know, that process. Um, I've

09:54got, uh, a meeting with Olivia

09:56scheduled. I've already met with, um,

09:59Councilwoman uh, Frances Allen and a

10:01couple of other, uh, council members.

10:03And so, right now, as we go through this

10:06second phase of the AMS study, um, the

10:10goal is to have a meeting uh, with each

10:14each and every one of the council

10:15members to make sure I know where they

10:16stand you know, on how they feel about

10:19that. And and that's where I'm at.

10:22>> So, the reason I I got confused is the

10:25city has issued a statement saying

10:27they're not going to deal with this

10:28question

10:30until

10:331/5 of the fiscal process begins for the

10:36next fiscal year and that won't take

10:37place until January. And if there's any

10:41money transferred, it wouldn't be until

10:43the following

10:44fiscal year.

10:45>> And I don't I don't think that we would

10:47Commissioner, I don't think we would be

10:48looking for any money

10:50transferred now.

10:51>> Okay.

10:52>> This this is this is more of laying the

10:54groundwork to complete that yeah, I'm

10:57going to say in 2027.

10:59And you know, in order to lay the

11:01groundwork, I mean there's many things

11:04that have to happen

11:06and so what what we're doing is we're

11:09making sure that we've got all of those

11:11things in place in order for that to to

11:14be able to occur.

11:15I didn't quite know how long the AMS

11:19process would take and I know that when

11:22we originally started it, I don't I

11:24don't know if we had even anticipated

11:26the phase two portion.

11:28And so

11:29>> Actually, AMS did propose that early on

11:31and and the city decided it's going to

11:34do one. Now, are you saying that

11:35>> Correct.

11:36>> has funded a second phase?

11:38>> What I'm saying is is that it initially

11:40when the proposal

11:43was put forward

11:45what I understood was that the city

11:47decided that they wanted to do it in two

11:49phases at that time when they moved

11:51forward because they didn't want to

11:53commit to the whole amount of money

11:55and essentially they wanted to make sure

11:58that the findings of the first phase

12:00would support doing the rest and so what

12:03I believe is is and I don't want to

12:05speak for the city, but I believe that

12:07the findings of the current phase of the

12:09AMS report support the phase two and

12:13that that is in the works.

12:14>> This board has received a copy of that

12:16report and we I think we all read

12:18with with a great amount of detail

12:20expecting it to be a feasibility study

12:22which it is not. It is simply a series

12:25of interviews with all the groups that

12:29have the potential to use it and then

12:31there's at the end the [snorts] three

12:33ways that this could move forward.

12:36>> Yeah, I believe I believe it was always

12:38supposed to be a needs assessment and

12:40whether or not this need exists and I

12:43think that that's what that report

12:45establishes.

12:47So

12:48>> It can be read a multiple ways. I mean

12:52there is no that what I was looking for

12:54was some idea of what the feasibility of

12:58these groups whether or not they were

13:00going to be able to pay

13:03whatever group was operating the Center

13:06for the Performing Arts whether the

13:07financial feasibility was there and what

13:09it's going to cost to restore and

13:12operate it on on a monthly basis. None

13:15of that is is in there and so it's kind

13:17of confusing as to

13:19>> Yeah, I believe that's all in phase two

13:21because

13:21>> So that's the question for Seth is has

13:23the city funded a second

13:26uh study?

13:28>> Yes, we are moving forward with phase

13:30two.

13:31Uh phase two and now let me be clear,

13:35it's not any of my departments that are

13:37managing that contract so I don't want

13:39to say it with too much detail because

13:41I'm not the person managing it, but

13:43essentially phase two is going to be a

13:46broader look at cultural facilities

13:50generally and will provide the basis for

13:53a master plan for performance-based

13:57venues and the entire ecosystem that

13:59supports those because that's one thing

14:01that came out of the AMS report is that

14:04there's needs in a lot of areas. Uh

14:06while it did focus more specifically on

14:08the Hult Center for the Performing Arts,

14:09there's a need more broadly for all the

14:12infrastructure that supports performance

14:14venues which is a

14:16um

14:17is in our strategic plan as something

14:18we're looking to provide support for

14:21over the next 5 years.

14:23>> The the biggest need is money.

14:27They they don't have enough money to run

14:28these these groups, let alone but but so

14:32uh do you know that that the

14:35this this new survey has started yet?

14:38Has been funded yet?

14:40>> Uh it's been funded. I don't know the

14:42timing on another round of surveys, and

14:45I don't have the internal timelines on

14:47the

14:47>> Yeah, Commissioner, I I know it's been

14:49started because I received you know, the

14:52same consultants that worked on phase

14:53one

14:54>> Right.

14:54>> you know, reached out to me and they

14:56they provided uh

14:58a short list of information that they

15:00were requesting. Uh part of what you

15:03just asked about, you know, which was

15:05cost of renovations and other things,

15:07actually was was on that list. So, I

15:10believe you know, and I again, I don't

15:11want to speak for the city, but I

15:13believe that that must be a part of it

15:15because they wouldn't request that

15:16information.

15:17>> So, that question is is last time we

15:19were able to get a copy of the the

15:21contract for the second for the first

15:23phase, what it it's was if we can uh get

15:26a copy of of of of the second one. The

15:29question are are are from I think one of

15:32the historic preservation commission's

15:33standpoint is the preservation of this

15:36historic structure. That's but all these

15:38things are laying

15:41are are important for that to take

15:43place. And and so, there's a great deal

15:46of concern

15:48um

15:49on on on several uh

15:52levels.

15:53You mentioned that you're not going to

15:55come up uh this year and ask for a

15:57reduction.

15:58>> Correct.

15:59>> And and as part of that legal document

16:03the board also has the opportunity to

16:06extend

16:07another year if renovations hasn't been

16:10started. So, one of the things that

16:12could come on our our agenda

16:15is we extend the uh

16:19the the judgement for for another year.

16:22I mean so those there different options

16:24within within that legal agreement. But

16:27no renovations have taken place this

16:29year.

16:31>> Correct. Yeah, no there

16:32would be no way of doing renovations cuz

16:35at this point I mean we're pretty

16:37focused on

16:38the study report and how we move

16:41forward. So yeah, no. And I mean we also

16:44I mean not that it's it's a reason why

16:47but you know during this last year I

16:50mean the property was you know wholly in

16:52use by the public works project that was

16:55going on.

16:55>> that but there's been something each

16:57year. This is 5 years that we are

16:59supposed to have this building

17:00renovated. Has any renovation taken

17:03place?

17:03>> hasn't. It's yeah, it's very challenging

17:05project. As you know, you know, I think

17:07you pointed it out and you know very

17:09eloquently is that

17:11there's you know there's a cer-

17:13certainly a need for having a place that

17:15houses you know all these great um

17:19organizations that you know

17:21s- uh support the arts.

17:23But there's also a tremendous need for

17:25money and

17:27um infrastructure behind them and and a

17:29lot of other things and so

17:32um I think the one thing that I've

17:33identified and you know I think I've

17:35mentioned this in the past is when I

17:37first started down this road you know in

17:39my mind I thought there was a chance

17:41that the theater could be a for-profit

17:44project.

17:45>> Right.

17:46>> And you know I think that I've

17:49you know absolutely identified that in

17:51order for it to be a success not only

17:53through a renovation but long term to be

17:56a a place that the community can go and

17:59for it to be able to thrive long term

18:02if all the groups and users that occupy

18:04the building and enjoy it

18:07um if they're all nonprofit

18:09organizations which they are

18:11and then there's a for-profit ownership

18:13structure underneath it it's very

18:15challenging if not I I mean I would say

18:17it's impossible for that to work.

18:19>> Right.

18:19>> And so

18:21I feel

18:23uh very good about the fact that we've

18:25identified that this is this is the

18:27right route or pathway. Um we've talked

18:30extensively through the group the AMS

18:32group that is you know done this first

18:36phase. They they pointed out other um

18:39projects in in other places that are

18:42similar to this. Each one is a little

18:44different. You know, it has a different

18:46um

18:47jurisdictional backing to it, you know,

18:50whether it was donated, purchased, um

18:53and how it was all funded. Each one was

18:55very different. But the one thing that I

18:57can say with certainty is that in all

19:00cases when you have uh success, it all

19:04starts with the underlying property

19:07being, you know, a a nonprofit. And so I

19:11think that the the good news is is that

19:13it did take a long time for us to

19:16discover this, but now we we have a

19:17good, you know, good path forward.

19:21>> I I the the

19:22what concerns me and I think in large

19:25part this group is

19:27the plan. Whatever plan is adopted, if

19:30it works, otherwise the Hunters once

19:32again is going to be this historic

19:35property in in jeopardy.

19:37So I have That's why I'm drilling down

19:39on the the very three aspects that I'm

19:42concerned with. One is is the

19:45restoration, renovation, and then the

19:48cost of turning it into an operating

19:50theater. All three of those things are

19:52are different costs.

19:55>> Different hurdles. Yeah.

19:56>> And then the the third one is

19:59operating costs. Once it's open, who

20:03pays for the operating costs? These

20:05little theater groups certainly can't

20:07afford uh

20:08to pay for an 800 to 1,200 room uh

20:12facility. So uh until some of there's

20:16some real dollar figures put to each one

20:19of these things,

20:20I'm going to have a a a lot of

20:23questions. And I think the last one uh

20:26today cuz we're still in the in the

20:28early stages of

20:30uh we've got phase two in the report

20:32now. Our phase one we're going to do

20:34we're going to do phase two.

20:36And the reality is nothing is going to

20:38take place at the city level as far as a

20:41yes or a no

20:43or any role that the city may play

20:47uh as outlined in the in the first

20:50report from AMS. There's three potential

20:53ways the city would be involved.

20:55Ownership, operating it and and and so

20:58forth. So, whether the city says,

21:00"Here's some money.

21:02Go away. We're not going to pay for

21:04whatever the plan is."

21:07We look forward to to doing that, but

21:09that plan is not going to take place

21:10until

21:12after July of next year.

21:14>> And as far as

21:17what makes you think it's after July of

21:18next year?

21:19>> That's when the fiscal year starts.

21:21>> So, I think there's a lot of groundwork

21:23that has to be laid ahead of that

21:25happening. And you know, you don't just

21:27show up, you know, during the fiscal

21:29year and go this is what it is. Um

21:32right now there there's no plan to ask

21:34the city for money from the general

21:36fund, which would be the money coming

21:39from that budget. There's, you know, a

21:41lot of other funds that we're looking

21:43at, but I think that what you

21:45highlighted is absolutely true. In order

21:47for this to be able to work

21:49>> Right.

21:49>> there's a lot of buckets of money out

21:50there that exist or that are available

21:53to a project like this. And in order for

21:55it to be successful, we have to have

21:57access to those funds, or else this it

22:00won't it won't happen and it won't

22:01>> Mr. Hafen, you know better than probably

22:03anybody in this room, well, maybe

22:05there's a few others on that side of the

22:06table, the financial

22:08condition of the city of Las Vegas.

22:10They're not ready to write blank checks

22:12at at this juncture.

22:14>> Yeah, we're And like I said, I don't

22:15think that we're looking um

22:17we're not looking for money from the

22:19general fund for this project, but

22:22participation doesn't always come in the

22:25form of just writing a check out of the

22:27general fund. I mean, there's a lot of

22:29other areas and places where

22:32>> You got redevelopment money?

22:33>> Well, there's a there's a lot. I mean,

22:35there we have a long list of different

22:37types of funds that a project like this

22:40could qualify for, but

22:42>> So, I just want to I'll wrap it up here.

22:45You think there's still a deal that can

22:47be finalized

22:51>> Yeah, at the completion

22:52>> end of this year or

22:54>> I think it Yeah, I think the deal and

22:56structure and framework can be finalized

22:59at the completion of the phase two.

23:02Um based on the conversations that I've

23:03had with, we'll say,

23:05um s- you know, city management and

23:09uh

23:10elected officials. And so, that would be

23:12the goal is the completion of phase two

23:14and the framework would be in place and

23:16then we would work on executing on it.

23:18>> know what phase two is? When the

23:20contract is?

23:22Or when the next report is due?

23:25>> Uh I I don't have a timeline. I I can

23:27get one, but I I don't know the timeline

23:28on that.

23:29>> Let's go to work.

23:29>> Thank you.

23:30>> And I've asked that question, too. Um it

23:32could because when they requested some

23:34information from me, I asked what their

23:36timeline was.

23:38I know that we've got a call set up next

23:39week. So, that's one of the things that

23:41I plan to inquire about.

23:43>> I mean, but you you are aware of the the

23:45statement that the city put out

23:47regarding that they're

23:49uh

23:51I mean, it's the city said that

23:56The city of Las Vegas has not made any

23:58decision related to its ability to

24:01support the 100 theater project

24:03financially or otherwise under any of

24:06the scenarios presented in the study.

24:08Further conversations with the city

24:10council will be necessary during the

24:12fiscal budgeting process which begins in

24:15January.

24:16>> Yeah.

24:18>> So, you think that in

24:21we're going to get this done sometime

24:23after the first of the year?

24:24>> Yeah, Commissioner, it's I I I I need it

24:27and want it done it right away. I mean,

24:30I I have a cost to carry the property,

24:33secure the property, and so, yeah, I'm

24:36I'm very motivated to make that happen

24:39as quickly as possible.

24:41And,

24:42you know, part of I think going through

24:45this process is me being patient enough

24:47to, you know, first go through the first

24:49process of the first analysis and

24:52and and then now the second. And so,

24:55yeah, I mean, that I'm not meeting with

24:58you know, Mike and council members, you

25:00know, just because I think that it's,

25:03you know, fun to do it. I'm doing it

25:05because I think that this is the pathway

25:06and the avenue in order to get to the

25:08finish line.

25:10And if and by by all means, if you or

25:13any of the board members here have any

25:15great suggestions on

25:17um you know, places that I can go for

25:20funding for the project and and and ways

25:23to make this work, I'm all ears because

25:27it's very challenging.

25:29I've finished many projects in downtown

25:31that are for-profit. And, you know, that

25:34works in a different way. This is much

25:37more challenging project because of the

25:40DNA of it. And so, I'm more than happy

25:43to listen and take any advice maybe that

25:47you or anybody else has in ways that we

25:50can, you know, get to the get to the

25:52end.

25:52>> Thank you.

25:53Thank you, Chair.

25:55>> Thank you.

25:56Um it looks like we have a couple other

25:58comments.

25:59>> Um

26:00Commissioner Purdue, I would like to

26:02know an estimate on your part as to what

26:05it's going to take to finish this

26:06project. What's the cost estimated?

26:09>> Yeah, I don't I don't think that we have

26:10that yet because the original set of

26:13plans that we originally

26:16uh so

26:18>> A range?

26:19>> Uh-huh.

26:19>> I I I wouldn't want to just throw a

26:21number out. I mean, I don't I don't

26:22think that's responsible because I I

26:24have a set of plans that have, you know,

26:27two theaters in the back that are

26:28probably, you know, phase two. But for

26:32the initial renovation of the theater,

26:34um no, I I wouldn't be comfortable

26:36giving you a just a, you know, a

26:39guess.

26:42Okay.

26:44>> Um Commissioner Laramie, for the record.

26:47So, I think my questions are probably

26:49more of staff questions, but

26:52um to your point, Mr. Dapper, it sounds

26:56like we're quite a bit away a ways away

26:59from starting restoration work on the

27:02theater.

27:03Um and I know that per the agreement,

27:07the covenants are in place on the

27:09building until the end of 2030.

27:12So, I'm curious if we're likely not

27:17looking in, you know, ideal

27:19circumstances at renovation starting

27:22until 2028 or beyond.

27:25Is it possible to extend those

27:27covenants?

27:30>> I I mean, I would say that 2030, I mean,

27:32is still a ways away. I mean, I just

27:34completed the renovation of a property

27:36the same size,

27:38which was the Mission Linen Building.

27:40You know, same um size of property and

27:44building size is about the same, and it

27:46took 12 months to complete that project.

27:49And so,

27:50you know, if

27:52if we're able to work out the framework

27:54and get everything on track in 2027, I

27:56don't know that there would necessarily

27:58need to be an extension past 2030.

28:02So, but I think we're pretty far out

28:04from, you know, asking for an extension.

28:06I I certainly don't don't plan to come

28:09and ask for an extension anytime soon.

28:12>> I think it would be the commission that

28:14would be interested in an in a possible

28:16extension, understanding that, you know,

28:19it may be a little premature to extend

28:22that ask at this point.

28:24Um but I believe that that probably

28:27needs to go through the State Historic

28:29Preservation Office. And so, just

28:32knowing that that can be quite an

28:34undertaking in and of itself, I want to

28:36make sure that we understand what that

28:39process looks like so that if we do come

28:42up against that deadline, we can be

28:44prepared for it.

28:45>> Chair, just real quick. Uh the uh

28:47according to the legal agreement signed

28:49by the city, signed by the state of

28:51Nevada, signed by Mr. Dapper, it says

28:54specifically

28:55that this commission has the sole

28:58discretion to extend it for a year. So,

29:02if it was on the agenda as an action

29:04item, we could extend it uh uh for a

29:08year.

29:09Uh

29:10uh it says specifically the sole

29:12discretion

29:13according to the legal document rests

29:15with this commission.

29:17>> Uh Chairman Jim Lewis, City Attorney's

29:19Office, if I may.

29:21Um

29:23the

29:25The agreement is relatively clear as to

29:28how the amounts

29:30of money is reduced and how the covenant

29:34can be extended.

29:36However, the process by which that

29:37happens is not a process we've currently

29:40been using.

29:42Doesn't mean we can't use that process.

29:44Can't Doesn't mean we can't go through

29:45that process, but uh

29:48there is significant time

29:51in doing just that.

29:53Um we have to

29:55this commission would have to undertake

29:58a review of Let me make sure I use the

30:00right words here.

30:01Um

30:03the reason The reasonable diligence to

30:05cause significant progress towards

30:07rehabilitation rehabilitation of

30:08Frontage Frontage.

30:11If you If we had an agenda item where we

30:13found that there was a failure to do so,

30:17then we could then we would send uh the

30:19developer a letter.

30:21The letter would indicate that you have

30:22a 60 days to

30:24start to re- rehabilitate in some

30:26manner.

30:28If he fails to do If the developer

30:29failed to do that within 60 days, then

30:31we could have an agenda item

30:33by which you could either one

30:36uh

30:37require that the covenant be extended,

30:39two, not reduce the amount of money

30:42uh that is owed under the covenant or

30:44both.

30:46So,

30:47uh the short answer to your question,

30:49Chairman, is

30:50yes, the documents does permit

30:54uh

30:54this board to make some determinations

30:58and to extend the covenant, and no, we

31:00don't need to go to the to SHPO to do

31:02so.

31:05>> Okay, thank you.

31:08Do we have any other questions or

31:10comments from commissioners?

31:15>> Uh Mr. Dapper.

31:17>> Uh Commissioner Harper, for the record.

31:18Uh you had mentioned that you're you're

31:19going to have a discussions about the

31:21continuing use of the parking lot there.

31:23No idea on anticipated schedule or how

31:25long that they they want to use the

31:27parking lot.

31:29>> Yeah, I mean, I at this point, we just

31:31have a meeting to walk the site for

31:34essentially their cleanup.

31:36And they mentioned that there was

31:38another public works project, and so I

31:40don't know anything about it, and

31:42I don't know timelines um or anything.

31:44It just I think I believe that they're

31:46probably bidding on it, and

31:48um I mean, hopefully they're they're not

31:50tearing up any roads in and around the

31:52theater because that's been ongoing for

31:55like 4 years, and all of the people up

31:58and down Maryland and Charleston are,

32:00you know, already, you know, uh

32:02have PTSD when it comes to construction.

32:05So, I I don't know what it's all about,

32:07and you know, I'd certainly share that

32:09information once I find out.

32:10>> Yeah, please do. Thank you.

32:16>> Okay, great. Well, thank you for your

32:18update today. Um it sounds like if

32:21you're not planning to seek um

32:25reduction of the

32:29fines that were levied on on the

32:31project, are you planning to a- abide

32:35the December update, or will we see you

32:37in December?

32:38>> if there's If there's an update, then I

32:40would absolutely be here to give give an

32:42update. Um I I've already made the

32:45statement that I plan on, you know, I

32:47can officially make the request and send

32:49a

32:50message to the city.

32:52Um and so I don't know if there's again,

32:54whether it's actionable. I talked to

32:56Seth earlier today about that.

32:58So we can determine that, but that's

33:00what I plan to do.

33:02And I mean just I just want to state for

33:03the record, so those fines were placed

33:05on the property, you know, before I I

33:07owned it. So

33:08>> Yes.

33:08>> you know, I'm I'm essentially, you know,

33:10I've been dealing with and have been

33:12working to kind of, you know, pay the

33:15price for somebody else's, you know,

33:16past sins and so, you know, obviously,

33:20um making those fines go down is a

33:22priority because it's part of, you know,

33:24the success of the project, right? Um

33:26but, you know, it's they're they're not

33:28so much that they're, you know,

33:30overwhelming or, you know, we have to

33:32make those go away in order to make the

33:34project work. Obviously, this is a

33:35project that takes millions and millions

33:37of dollars to complete, and so that's a

33:39very small piece of that. Um but, I also

33:42don't have a problem saying that I'm

33:44willing to forego that this year. Um you

33:47know, even though we've been making

33:48progress with working with the city and,

33:50you know, working with AMS and doing all

33:53of these things to find the right

33:54pathway forward. Um you know, we haven't

33:57done anything at the property that would

34:00that I would consider to be,

34:01you know, like we've renovated

34:02something.

34:04Um we've maintained the property. We've

34:05kept it in good working order. I've

34:07expended a lot of money on security,

34:10making sure that the life safety systems

34:12work, and doing a lot of other things

34:13that were never being done before my

34:15ownership. Um but, that being said, um

34:19you know, I will send a uh

34:22uh official message to the city saying

34:24that, you know, my plan is to not ask

34:26for that this year.

34:28>> Understood.

34:29Uh

34:31Dr. Siebrecht, did you

34:35No, okay.

34:36>> So I

34:37>> Well, it looks like we have one more

34:38comment.

34:40>> And

34:41this is a Commissioner Grammer for the

34:43record and this is probably more a

34:44question for staff. Um

34:47and it's about the study

34:50that

34:51I I share a lot of the feelings of of

34:54Commissioner Stodola that when I read

34:55through this I I was looking for the

34:57feasibility portion of it because all

35:00along it's been referred to as a

35:02feasibility study.

35:04But, I guess that was just the wrong

35:06verbiage that we were all using. Um

35:09So, it'll be interesting to see phase

35:10two, but as far as

35:14the direction forward that the city

35:17chooses to take long-term with respect

35:20to the Hundridge,

35:22what role do we play in does the

35:24commission play in that?

35:29>> So, as it specifically relates to the

35:32Hundridge, you will remain in the

35:34oversight role

35:36of this agreement as long as it's in

35:38place.

35:39Um as it relates to the AMS study more

35:42broadly,

35:44I

35:45it it's a very indirect role because the

35:47Hundridge is only one piece of

35:50the city's goal to provide performance

35:53venues, which is obviously much broader

35:55than HPC that had that in fact it really

35:57falls into a different category. The

35:59Hundridge is just one venue that could

36:02potentially fill that

36:04uh priority of the city. So, I think

36:06it's it's a very direct role in the

36:08agreement in the oversight of the

36:09Hundridge. Uh it's a fairly indirect

36:12role in the AMS study overall and the

36:16city's strategic priority of building

36:18more performance or providing more

36:20performance space.

36:23>> Okay, that makes sense because

36:25that was my impression from this

36:28the study so far is that it's really not

36:31very Hundridge focused.

36:33Um

36:35and

36:38I guess my reading of it and maybe I

36:40read it completely wrong, but is that

36:43I think some reference was made that no

36:45money would come out of the city's

36:46general fund, but it I know just enough

36:48about city funding to be really

36:51dangerous, but even this the document

36:54suggests that it would cost the city a

36:57lot of money.

36:58So,

36:59I guess I just wanted to put that on the

37:01record.

37:06>> Okay.

37:07>> Thank you for your time. I appreciate

37:08it.

37:09>> Thank you.

37:10We'll move on now to item number five.

37:13I'm sorry, item number six. 26-0533

37:19HPC1, a discussion for possible action

37:22regarding approval of the first draft of

37:24the National Register of Historic Places

37:26nomination

37:28for Johnny Toco's Ringside Boxing Gym

37:31located at 9 West Charleston Boulevard.

37:37>> Thank you. I'm Zoanne Campana from Kouts

37:40Environmental Consultants for the

37:42record.

37:43Um thank you so much for having me,

37:45commissioners. I'm here to present uh

37:49the National Register nomination for

37:51Johnny Toco's Ringside Gym.

37:56And uh so, I'll start I wanted to start

37:58with a timeline for the property.

38:02Um it's actually two buildings. So,

38:05well, it's kind of one building now, but

38:07originally it was constructed as two

38:09separate buildings.

38:11So, 11 West Charleston Boulevard is um

38:15the building that you see on the right

38:16here. It's the taller one with that nice

38:18little parapet. It was built in 1944

38:22as a paint and wallpaper store.

38:25And then 9 West Charleston Boulevard is

38:27the shorter building to the left where

38:29you see the mural of all the boxers

38:31surrounding Johnny Toco, and that was

38:34built 10 years later in 1954 as a liquor

38:37store and a beer bar. And then in 1963,

38:41John and Hermato

38:42um

38:43purchased both buildings together. They

38:46continued to run 9 West Charleston as a

38:49liquor store and a bar and 11 West

38:52Charleston, they sort of left empty um

38:57while unofficially training boxers

39:00there. And then in 1976, both buildings

39:03become officially Johnny Tocco's

39:05Ringside Gym.

39:09So, here is um the only historic photo I

39:12could find of 11 West Charleston.

39:15Uh and this was taken shortly after it

39:17was built in the mid-1940s.

39:20Uh this was built by Eddie Junior

39:22Gilbreath um as one of the first

39:25commercial storefronts on the block. And

39:28it was a paint and wallpaper store. He

39:30was a professional painter. Uh and sort

39:34of an interesting connection, about a

39:37month before this building was opened um

39:41as his business, he painted the

39:43Huntridge Theater.

39:44Um this building is also constructed in

39:46that sort of streamline modern style, a

39:49little more simplified and stripped down

39:51than what you see with the Huntridge. Um

39:54but yeah, this continued to operate as a

39:57paint store until 1963

40:00when uh Gilbreath sold it and then he

40:04moved the business to Highland Drive.

40:09Um but before that, he built 9 West

40:12Charleston in 1954

40:14uh right next door. Um it was the

40:17Charleston liquor store. And this is

40:19also the only historical photo that I

40:21could find of this building.

40:23Um it's from the LVCVA archive and Jeff

40:26from Vintage Las Vegas shared it with

40:28me. Um and obviously, there's a lot

40:31going on in this photo. There's a flood

40:33happening and uh it's probably around

40:351955.

40:37As you can imagine, the Charleston

40:39underpass is probably inundated. Uh but

40:42you can see the building behind. You've

40:44got that great signage, um the

40:46hand-painted liquor store beer bar. I'm

40:50sure that was painted by Gilbreath.

40:52And also the billboard on top of the

40:54building is there all the way back to

40:57the mid-50s.

40:59Um but it wasn't just a liquor store. It

41:01operated as a beer bar. There was pool,

41:04there were slots.

41:06Um and it was operated by Eddie's wife,

41:08Helen.

41:12And then in 1963, as I mentioned, John

41:14and Irma Toko purchased both buildings.

41:18And they continue to operate 9 West

41:20Charleston as a liquor store and a bar,

41:23um under different names. Uh that's

41:25really the only thing they change is the

41:27name and they change it several times.

41:29So, it's Johnny Toko's liquors until

41:321968.

41:34Then it became the Zebra Room until

41:361975.

41:38And there's a very short, you know,

41:40stint in '75 when he renames it the

41:43Godfather Inn.

41:45Um and all the while he's unofficially

41:47operating

41:49the older building next door as an

41:51unofficial boxing gym.

41:53Um at this picture, you can see Johnny

41:55Toko at the Zebra Room. Um and it very

41:58much looks like

42:00uh

42:01what you would imagine a beer bar and

42:03package liquor store to look like in the

42:05'60s. You've got the wood paneling. He's

42:08cutting a cake on top of a pool table.

42:10You've got the folks gathered around on

42:12bar stools in the background.

42:18And uh as I mentioned, 1976, um

42:21John and Irma decide to shut down the

42:24liquor store and officially combine the

42:27two buildings and license them as a

42:30boxing gym.

42:32Um

42:33and boxers trained at the Ringside Gym.

42:36There were local boxers, amateurs,

42:38professionals.

42:40Uh from the '70s to the '90s, most of

42:42the world champion title holders at one

42:44time or another trained here. Um and the

42:49state goes to 1996 uh because that's

42:52when Johnny Tocco sold it. It's still

42:54known as Johnny Tocco's Ringside Gym,

42:57um but he did sell it

42:59that year.

43:03So, I'll talk about the development of

43:05boxing in Vegas in just a second, but I

43:07did want to give you a little bit of

43:09background on Johnny Tocco.

43:11Uh he is a St. Louis native. He started

43:15working in local boxing gyms there as a

43:17child. I mean, he started hanging around

43:19local boxing gyms there. He swept the

43:21floors. He was a water boy.

43:24And eventually, he opened his own

43:26training facility there,

43:28the Cass Avenue gym. Um and so, he was

43:32training boxers. Obviously, Jack Dempsey

43:35made a visit to his gym at one point

43:37when they took this picture.

43:39Um and he was really a fixture in the

43:42Midwestern boxing circuit. He was

43:44traveling all over the Midwest as a

43:47trainer and a handler.

43:49Um and he even made a run for a local

43:53city alderman position in 1953.

43:57And I bring up 1953 only because

44:01um there are some folks who say that

44:05Johnny Tocco arrived in Las Vegas in

44:071953

44:08or that he started his boxing gym in

44:101953 here in Vegas.

44:13Um and we know for a fact that he didn't

44:15because he was busy running a local

44:18political campaign in St. Louis.

44:23So, what brought Johnny Tocco to Las

44:26Vegas? Uh it was really a boxing match,

44:30um and one of Las Vegas's first big

44:33ones, uh Nino Valdes versus Archie

44:36Moore. And Johnny Tocco worked in

44:38Valdes's corner. So, he actually

44:40traveled to Vegas with Nino Valdes to

44:43work that fight. Uh and according to

44:45Johnny Tocco, he never left. Um but he

44:48probably did leave to go pick up Irma

44:51because the two of them are listed in

44:54local directories by 1956

44:58um in Las Vegas. And like a lot of folks

45:01who came to Vegas in the mid-50s, they

45:03both worked hospitality jobs at local

45:06casino resorts um until they purchased

45:10the property on West Charleston in 1963.

45:15Um the earliest record I found of him

45:17training boxers at his facility is 1965,

45:20but we do know he was involved involved

45:22in the local Vegas boxing scene

45:24basically from the time he arrived until

45:27his death in 1997.

45:29He worked as a trainer, a handler. He

45:31was still traveling around to various

45:34bouts throughout the country.

45:39And so just a little bit of context

45:41about the boxing scene in Las Vegas, uh

45:45it all started in 1955

45:47with these two gentlemen and their

45:50Western finest. Uh this is Archie Moore

45:53on the left and Niño Valdés on the

45:55right. They're in front of Happy Vic's

45:57bar, which you can see is just plastered

45:59with promotional photos for their fight.

46:03And they fought on May 2nd, 1955 at

46:05Cashman Field. Um this is really the

46:09first big boxing event in Las Vegas.

46:14And uh as you can see on the right, you

46:18can sort of make out the ring in the

46:20middle behind that row of cowboy hats.

46:23Um the fight wasn't particularly well

46:26attended, and there really wouldn't be

46:28another title fight for about 5 years in

46:31Las Vegas.

46:33Um but this really set the stage for the

46:37casino-funded model of boxing

46:40that would be very common in Las Vegas

46:43um up through the mid-70s. And also,

46:46this is the fight that drew Johnny Toco

46:48to Las Vegas.

46:53And then just a few years later, the Las

46:55Vegas Convention Center's completed in

46:571959.

46:59Um and the city's first televised fight

47:02was held here in 1960

47:05uh between Kid Carbo and Don Jordan. And

47:09televised televised fights in Vegas made

47:11sense because the city was in the middle

47:14of a desert. So, when you're thinking of

47:16like a blackout radius, it doesn't have

47:18as much of an effect on viewers as it

47:20would in a place like New York that's

47:23very densely populated.

47:25Um so, we do see several big fights that

47:27follow

47:29uh between Sonny Liston and Floyd

47:31Patterson and also between Gene Fullmer

47:34and Sugar Ray Robinson.

47:36Um but eventually the Convention Center

47:38becomes more popular in serving the

47:40purpose it was built for, hosting

47:42conventions. And so, we see some booking

47:45difficulties happen. We see

47:46international destinations become more

47:48popular for boxing for a few years.

47:52But this did allow the local club scene

47:55in Las Vegas to really flourish.

48:01So, there's one boxing historian who

48:03says that Las Vegas

48:05could be considered a boxing capital

48:06during this period just because so many

48:09fights were happening. There was at

48:10least one weekly boxing match in Las

48:13Vegas even if there weren't a whole lot

48:15of championship fights going on.

48:18Um and this is because there was this

48:21booming local scene. In 1960, promoter

48:24Bill Miller began hosting weekly fights

48:28that would grow into his strip fights of

48:29the week. Um and by 1965, these were

48:33happening regularly. First at the

48:35Hacienda, eventually it would find a

48:37more permanent home at the Silver

48:39Slipper.

48:40And there were also local matches held

48:42um pretty often at the Castaways.

48:45But these events really created a small

48:47but vibrant

48:49boxing subculture that attracted

48:51professional boxers to Las Vegas and it

48:54really set up the city for its future as

48:56the boxing capital of the world.

49:01And this happens in the mid-1970s.

49:04So, up until this point, Vegas boxing is

49:06sort of a cooperative community project.

49:08All the casinos would chip in together

49:11on

49:12um fight purses and attracting fights

49:14here.

49:15Um and then the smaller properties like

49:18the Silver Slipper would host the local

49:19bouts.

49:21But then, the casinos realized how much

49:23money

49:25uh how much money-making potential there

49:27is in boxing, and they start to host

49:29their own boxing events.

49:31Uh and that's really illustrated here.

49:33This is a photo from 1980. This is the

49:36Muhammad Ali

49:38um

49:39Larry Holmes fight at Caesars Palace.

49:4229,000 people attended. And this is all

49:45just a temporary venue that Caesars

49:47erected just for this fight.

49:50But of course, Caesars Palace, the

49:52Aladdin, we have all these big

49:54properties suddenly hosting

49:56the majority of championship fights from

50:00the mid-70s to the mid-90s.

50:05So, it's really within that context of

50:07Las Vegas boxing that the Ringside Gym

50:10is significant.

50:11Uh the gym catered to amateur and

50:13professional fighters during the club

50:15scene in the '60s and '70s. And then it

50:18attracted the bigger guys during Vegas's

50:21heyday as the boxing capital of the

50:23world. Um and you can see in this quote

50:26by Richard O'Davies. He's a sports

50:28historian. He literally wrote the book

50:31on Nevada boxing. Um and he really says

50:34that the Ringside Gym is as much a part

50:37of Vegas boxing as the big fights that

50:40were happening on the strip.

50:45As it pertains to the National Register,

50:48the Ringside Gym is uh eligible under

50:51criterion A in the area of entertainment

50:54and recreation for its role in Las Vegas

50:57boxing. Um as the building says, it

51:01really is the home of the world

51:03champions. Our top fighters in every

51:06weight class who fought in Las Vegas

51:09from the mid-60s to 1996 worked out at

51:12the gym. It was really integral to that

51:15local club scene of the '60s and '70s.

51:18Contenders would come to Vegas

51:21specifically seeking out the gym and

51:23Toco to take their competition to the

51:25next level.

51:27And then of course during the sports

51:29heyday

51:30it's Vegas heyday from the mid-70s

51:32through the 1990s, most of the big names

51:35worked out here. And trainers, managers,

51:38promoters,

51:41and fighters, they all hung around the

51:42Ringside gym

51:44when they were in town for a match. The

51:47gym really supported Las Vegas's larger

51:50boxing ecosystem.

51:53It's also eligible under criterion A in

51:55a different area under social history.

51:58And that's for its association with

52:00women in boxing. So

52:03the gym had, according to a lot of

52:07people, including some of the women who

52:09worked out there, the gym had an

52:11unofficial ban on women entering the

52:14gym. They were a distraction, right?

52:17They had no place there. It wasn't a

52:18place for women.

52:20But we know there are at least three

52:22exceptions

52:25for pioneering women in the sport. The

52:28first was Lavonne Ludean. She was a

52:30promising local boxer

52:33in the 1970s who specifically trained

52:36under Johnny Toco at the gym.

52:39We also have Linda Platt and she is

52:43one of the first professional boxing

52:45photographers,

52:47female professional boxing

52:48photographers. And she documented

52:51fighters and training sessions in the

52:52gym throughout the 1980s.

52:55And then in 19 in the '90s we have

52:57Christy Martin. She's the champion who

53:00really legitimized women's boxing to the

53:03public mind.

53:05And she trained with Toko at the

53:07Ringside Gym during that era.

53:10So, as

53:12sports journalist Steve Carp wrote,

53:13Vegas doesn't really have a lot of

53:15properties that speak to its sports

53:17history.

53:20And in Vegas, boxing is particularly

53:23significant.

53:24The Ringside Gym's really the only

53:26property that's left that embodies that

53:29full history of boxing from the '60s

53:32through the '90s.

53:36And the gym is also significant under

53:38criterion B. So, criterion A is

53:41historical significance. Criterion B is

53:44an association with historically

53:45significant people.

53:47And in this case, that person is Johnny

53:49Toko.

53:50He made a lot of contributions to the

53:52sport of boxing, especially locally.

53:56He played major role in the local boxing

53:59scene in the '60s and '70s. He also

54:02sustained Las Vegas's status as the

54:05fight capital of the world from the '70s

54:08to the '90s.

54:12Oops. Let's see.

54:14There we go.

54:17National Register nominations do have to

54:19include a period of significance. And

54:22this reflects the time frame when a

54:23property was associated with whatever

54:26trends, events, people that

54:29are significant. And so, we determined

54:331963 to 1996 as the period of

54:36significant

54:38the most appropriate period of

54:39significance. And that starts, of

54:42course, when Toko purchases the property

54:44in 1963,

54:45starts training fighters there, and it

54:48ends in 1996 when Toko sells the gym.

54:51And of course, that includes all those

54:52interceding years

54:55where he was training boxers there.

55:01And the 1996 date does bring a slight

55:03challenge.

55:05We know that the gym's significance

55:07continues through the '90s. That's

55:09really indisputable.

55:11But the National Register requires

55:13properties with significance that

55:15extends

55:17into a period less than 50 years ago to

55:20meet criteria consideration G. It's

55:23basically just to ensure that it's

55:26significant enough. Um,

55:29it it possesses the extraordinary

55:31significance um, that makes that period

55:35okay.

55:36Um, it does meet this consideration.

55:39It's an exceptionally important property

55:41within the local context of boxing,

55:43which really does extend into the '90s.

55:46And so that's something that we address

55:48in the nomination. And I just wanted to

55:50note that.

55:54Um, and this is just a great photo that

55:56Linda Platt took of the gym in the '80s.

55:59Um, I'll end with this. Uh, but I just

56:02wanted to say thank you for the

56:03opportunity to work on this project. It

56:05was It's been so interesting. I've

56:07learned a whole lot. Um, and I welcome

56:11any revisions, suggestions, comments

56:14that you have um, to incorporate into

56:16the second draft.

56:18Thank you.

56:22>> Great. Thank you for that presentation.

56:25Um, I also

56:27echo your sentiment. It was a really fun

56:29report to read and I learned a lot of

56:31really great things through it. Um, do

56:33we have any comments or questions from

56:36our commission?

56:39>> Uh, just a couple. Nothing uh,

56:42is this building is not on the city's

56:44historic register, is it?

56:46>> Uh, speaker for the record, no, it is

56:48not.

56:48>> Uh, it was my understanding that this

56:51whole process of of the nomination uh,

56:54was was at the request of the Toco

56:57family, Taco family?

56:59>> Uh, speaker for the record. So we were

57:02talking with the Toco family um, uh,

57:05myself along with uh, EUD on looking at

57:09this area and Mike may be able to input

57:12more about the EUD side of why they were

57:14looking at this building, but when we

57:16started talking with Jimmy about it, he

57:19wanted to know more about the history.

57:20He had this box full of photographs and

57:24um you know, we're looking at

57:25understanding the history of not just

57:27the building itself, but also the

57:29history of who was there. And um I'm

57:31assuming that ZoAnn got that big box of

57:33photos.

57:34>> I did.

57:36>> Uh

57:37I guess the question is is if it's just

57:40an honor

57:42kind of a thing and that's really what

57:43the National Register is in in large uh

57:46ways it is an honor.

57:49Uh

57:50w- why we simply don't put a plaque

57:53there. I'm wondering why we're going

57:55They [clears throat] want us to go

57:56through all this process. Do they They

57:58have plans to do something with the

58:00facility historically, convert it, clean

58:03it up cuz there's a lot of

58:05a lot of stuff that has been impacted

58:08this. Were you able to see go inside at

58:10all?

58:10>> I was. Yes. On a day in July when their

58:13air conditioner went out.

58:15>> Oh.

58:16>> I got the full experience.

58:18>> Is there still anything left of the of

58:20the that could be called the gym

58:24>> Yeah, there's the there's still a boxing

58:27ring in

58:28um the 9 West Charleston side

58:31um and heavy bags um but the other side

58:3611 West Charleston is kind of just an

58:39open space.

58:44>> Uh

58:46So, we don't know what what beyond the

58:49the acknowledgement of the need or the

58:51the desire to have this building

58:54acknowledged as a historic site and put

58:57it on the National Register. We don't

58:58know anything beyond that whether

58:59they're going to restore it or open up a

59:01museum or anything like that.

59:02>> Uh C Buck for the record. Um

59:05I don't know if they had plans to

59:08actually restore this building, but when

59:10I I speaking with them, we started

59:11talking about oh you know, we could put

59:13this on one of our historic registers.

59:15They of course were concerned about if

59:18that would prohibit them from making

59:19changes. And so when we were talking to

59:22them, uh because a national register um

59:25nomination, it's obviously not covered

59:28by municipal code, so they could still

59:30make changes. But also part of, you

59:33know, our overall master plan is to try

59:35and add properties to any of the

59:37historic registers. Uh we prefer the

59:39city register, but the national register

59:42also does um meet our mission

59:44guidelines.

59:46>> Yeah, the reason I asked is that's just

59:47an interesting piece of property in in

59:50the city of Las Vegas right there on

59:52Charleston, and then there was a lot of

59:53work being done in the in the underpass

59:55as well. Great, thank you.

59:57>> Um I might I can add a little bit, I

59:59think, just from speaking with the

1:00:02owners. I think they're open to

1:00:05suggestions.

1:00:06The gym's been closed since COVID, since

1:00:092020, so it's not really

1:00:12operating as a business currently. I

1:00:16think they're trying to figure out what

1:00:18to do with it.

1:00:19Um and they're interested in maybe grant

1:00:22funding or

1:00:24um I know.

1:00:26Uh

1:00:28They're open to suggestions, yeah.

1:00:30>> Okay. Thank you.

1:00:36>> Uh Commissioner Grimmer, for the record.

1:00:37So, my questions were along the same

1:00:39line. And and Diane, I think you told us

1:00:42this when they when you when it first

1:00:44came before us, but

1:00:46is that why they've made the request?

1:00:48Because if they get it on the national

1:00:51register, then they can apply for

1:00:53various grants to help

1:00:55remodel the building or what?

1:00:58I know you told us this, and I don't

1:00:59recall why this

1:01:02I mean, it looks fantastic, and it

1:01:03probably does deserve recognition and

1:01:06preservation, but I don't remember

1:01:08why the family asked for it.

1:01:10>> Uh Commissioner for the record. So, um

1:01:12of course we always do mention

1:01:14incentives, which include grants, but in

1:01:16order for um a national registered uh

1:01:20property to um

1:01:22be eligible for grants, they have to be

1:01:24a business that operates. So, if they

1:01:27wanted to

1:01:28uh

1:01:29you know, be able to apply for those

1:01:31grants, they would have to open it up as

1:01:33a boxing gym or uh again.

1:01:37>> A- And if I may, for for the record,

1:01:39Michael Howe. So, I was there with some

1:01:40of the meetings with EUD and Diane. Um

1:01:43and it really started with an express

1:01:45interest from the new owners, so

1:01:47descendants of the original owners,

1:01:51to not lose the history. So, they know

1:01:52that they can operate a gym. They're

1:01:54very flexible with occupying and using

1:01:57the facility, but they're very

1:01:59concerned about losing the the history

1:02:01of the

1:02:02facility itself.

1:02:04So, that's kind of where we're working

1:02:06closely with them in a strategy of

1:02:08adaptive reuse, something that keeps the

1:02:10structure that then expresses the

1:02:12history of what that location

1:02:14hosted.

1:02:15>> I I I I I was just going to broach it

1:02:17and and leave it the way it is, but

1:02:20the reputation that this gym had and the

1:02:23owners

1:02:26was connected to colorful characters in

1:02:28our community.

1:02:30Um

1:02:32we kind of addressed that too a little

1:02:33bit in here in in in here.

1:02:36Did you leave anything out?

1:02:38>> [laughter]

1:02:39>> Well, there are there are a lot of

1:02:40rumors of uh mob

1:02:43connections.

1:02:45Um and I'm sure that Johnny Toko was

1:02:48familiar with those figures coming from

1:02:50the boxing world in St. Louis and

1:02:52arriving in Las Vegas. Um but I couldn't

1:02:56find a paper trail for that.

1:03:00>> Thanks.

1:03:05>> So, Sue Byron, for the record, so does

1:03:07anybody have any edits that they would

1:03:10like

1:03:11JoAnne to address? Because we will need

1:03:14those. Um SHPO is also reviewing this

1:03:17uh as we speak and they will have their

1:03:20comments back by November 11th. So, um

1:03:23please make sure if there are any

1:03:26any edits that you are looking at that

1:03:28we get those from you um today or

1:03:30tomorrow.

1:03:31And you can email them to me.

1:03:32>> I'd just say one thing I had I what what

1:03:35concerned me I read it three or four

1:03:36times a little bit confused

1:03:38on how

1:03:42the integrity of the building was still

1:03:44there with all the changes that

1:03:46that were made and

1:03:48uh I don't know maybe just a a re-look

1:03:50at that portion to see if if there's a

1:03:52little

1:03:54clarity to people like myself who don't

1:03:56know what they're talking about.

1:03:58>> Okay.

1:03:58>> Thanks.

1:04:02>> Commissioner Harper, uh for the record,

1:04:03I had the same sort of questions. I I'd

1:04:05like to know more about the building

1:04:07itself.

1:04:08Like the the the the boxing history and

1:04:10the background's fantastic. It's

1:04:11wonderful. I especially appreciate you

1:04:13putting in the quote describing the old

1:04:14cigarettes and sweat and liniment smell

1:04:16cuz I've been in tacos and yeah, it's

1:04:18got that

1:04:19funk

1:04:20to it for sure. Um but I think it's I

1:04:23think it's a great nomination. I think

1:04:24it's very worthy, but I just want to

1:04:25know a little bit more about the

1:04:26building and the history and any

1:04:27modifications and

1:04:28>> Okay. Thank you.

1:04:31Um Commissioner Laramie, somewhat

1:04:34related, I actually had a question about

1:04:37the billboard cuz you do know in the

1:04:40report that the pole kind of comes

1:04:43through the interior and that it is um a

1:04:48historic feature

1:04:50and then interestingly it came up in

1:04:52your slides that there was some version

1:04:54of it there in the 1955 picture as well,

1:04:58although sounds like that's probably not

1:05:00the structure that's there today.

1:05:03Um but I was I just didn't understand if

1:05:05that was being proposed as a historic

1:05:07feature as well cuz there's not really

1:05:10any photos of that piece within the

1:05:12report. So, if you can make that clearer

1:05:16um and clear that up and then to Diane's

1:05:18point I do have some just comments that

1:05:21I'll email to Diane. Some areas where

1:05:24some additional clarity would be

1:05:26helpful. For instance, there's mention

1:05:29of him as part of the Sheriff's posse,

1:05:31but it doesn't specify which Sheriff or

1:05:34who.

1:05:35So just some of those details throughout

1:05:38that I've highlighted that I'll send to

1:05:40you, but

1:05:41otherwise I think it's it's a great

1:05:43report. Really interesting history to

1:05:45uncover and confirm. Um and it's no

1:05:49secret that I'm a big fan of kind of

1:05:51these little cultural spaces that aren't

1:05:54always, you know, understood or

1:05:56recognized as historically significant

1:05:58just from the architecture themselves.

1:06:00So I really appreciate um the research

1:06:04here and the recognition of the social

1:06:06history and and person and people

1:06:09associated with this building.

1:06:11>> Thank you.

1:06:14>> Any other comments?

1:06:18Oh, we do need a motion, don't we,

1:06:19Diane?

1:06:21>> uh with the additional comments and

1:06:24changes expansion that will be sent to

1:06:27Dr. Seeber.

1:06:30>> We have a motion to approve with um

1:06:32edits that are sent to Dr. Seeber no

1:06:35later than the end of tomorrow.

1:06:38Um all those in favor, please say I.

1:06:40>> I.

1:06:40>> I.

1:06:43>> Do we still have a commissioner on the

1:06:44phone?

1:06:47Commissioner Cosgrove?

1:06:48>> I.

1:06:49>> Great. Any opposed?

1:06:52That motion carries with the chair

1:06:54voting in favor as well.

1:06:56>> Thank you so much.

1:06:57>> Thank you.

1:06:58>> for all the work that you have done.

1:07:01It's just excellent

1:07:03and really enjoyed reading this and and

1:07:06echo what the chair said.

1:07:09Lots of great information on a very

1:07:11small property.

1:07:13>> It's been

1:07:14so much fun to research.

1:07:16>> [laughter]

1:07:17>> And that's how many interesting

1:07:20>> Um item number 726-0534-HPC1.

1:07:27Discussion for possible action regarding

1:07:29approval of Historic Preservation

1:07:31Commission funds in the amount of

1:07:33$13,333

1:07:36to use as a match for a federal Historic

1:07:38Preservation Fund grant to hire a

1:07:41consultant to complete a historic

1:07:43context of the area referred to as the

1:07:45Arts District roughly bounded by South

1:07:48Las Vegas Boulevard, West Wyoming

1:07:51Avenue, Gas Avenue, and the Union

1:07:53Pacific Railroad tracks.

1:07:55>> Thank you, Seibert, for the record. So,

1:07:57I know that in our past discussions, um,

1:07:59there was a question about the

1:08:00boundaries, so the map you see here, uh,

1:08:04the blue part is what is, uh, the

1:08:06current boundaries of the, it's either

1:08:10called 18B, but it's also called the,

1:08:11the Arts District, and then the red

1:08:13outline on the map here is where, um, it

1:08:16may expand to. Um, and if there are

1:08:19questions on that, Mike can answer

1:08:21those.

1:08:22Um, so for our purposes, we had a

1:08:25discussion about how we wanted to move

1:08:27forward with some projects, and this was

1:08:29the first one that we were looking at

1:08:32because there is, uh, quite a bit of

1:08:35development going on in that area, and

1:08:37so we want to do the historic context so

1:08:39we can at least preserve, uh, the

1:08:41intangible history of that area, and we

1:08:44did apply for the SHPO grant for 20,000,

1:08:47and because these are matching grants,

1:08:49we're looking at um, the 13,333,

1:08:53is that what it is, for on HPC funding.

1:08:59And that's basically what I have, but I

1:09:02can answer questions if there are any.

1:09:06>> Questions?

1:09:07>> Couple of quick questions. I I was

1:09:09intrigued by the time frame that this,

1:09:12uh, study will cover.

1:09:15>> Okay.

1:09:15>> 1900

1:09:17to, uh, 1990.

1:09:20We're going to look at

1:09:23where the area before Las Vegas was even

1:09:25a city or town?

1:09:27>> We can alter that to 1905. I mean the

1:09:30the whole area though, it was not really

1:09:33developed um until quite later.

1:09:36>> yeah, yeah, that's why I was intrigued

1:09:37with how 1900 got picked as opposed to

1:09:40'05 or

1:09:41>> Yeah, it it was all basically farmland.

1:09:43I think it was

1:09:44the dairy farmers were using it at that

1:09:46time.

1:09:47>> Oh, there was anything out there in

1:09:481900.

1:09:50Well, uh okay, so I mean it doesn't

1:09:53uh

1:09:54make one uh

1:09:57but to to see this map really helps uh

1:10:00to clarify and and to go on Google and

1:10:03see it from the air. It it really covers

1:10:05some some interesting uh

1:10:10uh property and and changes. I think

1:10:12it's going to be valuable to have

1:10:15uh of a history. So, it leads quite to

1:10:17my next question. Nobody has been

1:10:19selected to do this at this juncture.

1:10:22>> No, so we will need to put out a RFP for

1:10:25this because of the dollar amount.

1:10:26>> Okay, and then and then I presume the

1:10:29normal process the draft will come back

1:10:31before this board. We'll look at the

1:10:32draft and then

1:10:34>> The draft of

1:10:36>> the report.

1:10:37>> Oh, yes, of course. Yes. I mean so we'll

1:10:39put out the RFP, then we'll hire the

1:10:40consultant, and then the consultant will

1:10:42write the report. And just like um

1:10:44Joanne was just up here, we'll give

1:10:46um a report on the first draft of

1:10:48whatever it is that they write.

1:10:49>> Uh

1:10:50this could turn out to be a very

1:10:51interesting report

1:10:52>> [clears throat]

1:10:53>> uh

1:10:53>> Uh

1:10:54>> It doesn't seem to be we're talking

1:10:56about 33

1:10:5836,000. How much total? 20

1:11:01>> 13,333.

1:11:03>> But a total of 30

1:11:05>> Yes. Yes.

1:11:06>> 33

1:11:07>> With the 20,000 from Shiprock, correct.

1:11:09>> Uh

1:11:11I know what it costs to put a

1:11:12documentary together for a period of

1:11:15time. Uh this is a

1:11:17and and I would hope that there is some

1:11:20real focus in the early years, which

1:11:22tend to we tend to jump to the dam and

1:11:25and and move on. So, look forward to

1:11:28reading this report.

1:11:30Thank you.

1:11:33>> Uh Jack Levine, for the record. Um

1:11:35didn't

1:11:36I I seem to remember that the the 18B

1:11:40number part was part of some numbering

1:11:42system.

1:11:43And the appropriateness of of

1:11:46where 18B came from as a as a name.

1:11:49>> So, representative of the 18 blocks that

1:11:51were contained, but not that there was a

1:11:54an element rigid to the 18 blocks.

1:11:58>> Okay, it wasn't part of something

1:11:59>> blocks or could have been 16

1:12:01>> No.

1:12:02>> or anything like that.

1:12:03>> No, no, that's just

1:12:04>> nickname. It was just a nickname that

1:12:05was given to

1:12:07>> Correct. And and to get to the technical

1:12:09challenges, it kind of cuts through some

1:12:10of the blocks, so it's really like

1:12:1218.3

1:12:15B.

1:12:15>> Okay. [laughter]

1:12:16>> B C.

1:12:17>> Can we Would we still be able to use

1:12:19that

1:12:20moniker

1:12:23afterwards? I mean,

1:12:25do we need to start calling it the 62B

1:12:27or whatever?

1:12:29>> Well,

1:12:30yeah, well, I think we'll get there when

1:12:32we get there. There's There's the

1:12:33marketing impact. There's still the

1:12:34association. So, there's There's ways of

1:12:36doing it, but yeah.

1:12:38>> Okay.

1:12:40Well, I'm sorry. My last question was

1:12:42how does the BID or the TID play into

1:12:46this process?

1:12:48>> That isn't my question.

1:12:50>> So,

1:12:52concurrently, independently, let So,

1:12:55it's If it goes

1:12:57well, I mean, it doesn't change the

1:12:59history. So, we use this to help inform

1:13:01um I think some of the efforts that the

1:13:03BID is trying to do in regards of

1:13:06preservation, maintenance, security.

1:13:08Uh if the BID's unsuccessful, we still

1:13:10have the survey. We'll still continue as

1:13:12a city to go through

1:13:14zoning and code enforcement and other

1:13:16tools.

1:13:18Um but the BID does give an element of

1:13:22I'd say more ownership for the property

1:13:24owners to maintain and secure their

1:13:27their district.

1:13:29>> Well, I I again, I just said my opinion.

1:13:31I think it's a great it's a great study

1:13:34and yes, it's for planning and and so

1:13:35forth, but it's also just a nice study

1:13:37to have of the of of that of that area

1:13:40cuz it's gone through so many changes.

1:13:42>> And especially

1:13:44an opportunity to iron out a lot of

1:13:48overlapping histories. I think when you

1:13:50I know that personally I've struggled

1:13:52with when people explain to me

1:13:54two different points of view and I'm

1:13:56like I don't

1:13:57It'd be nice to resolve that.

1:13:59>> Yeah, when I came in '61 as a teenager,

1:14:01that area was for automobiles. It was uh

1:14:04maintenance shops and and and all of

1:14:06that. It wasn't run down. It was just

1:14:09the garages and so forth. So, anyway,

1:14:12sorry.

1:14:15>> Do we have any other questions?

1:14:18>> Commissioner Harper, for the record,

1:14:20maybe I missed it, maybe you discussed

1:14:21earlier. What's the footprint of the bid

1:14:23in relationship to the the footprint for

1:14:25the surveyed area?

1:14:27>> So, the the current bid extends a little

1:14:30bit further to the north up to uh

1:14:33Bonneville

1:14:34and then would capture the other side of

1:14:36Las Vegas Boulevard.

1:14:49>> Okay. Is there is there a reason why our

1:14:52survey boundaries are different than the

1:14:54bid boundaries?

1:14:56>> So, probably best way to explain it is

1:14:58there's a competing strategies. Bids

1:15:01tend to need more land to pay in to do

1:15:04the work they need to

1:15:06a sweet balance of how many properties

1:15:08are paying in to do the work.

1:15:10Um

1:15:11we're more targeting towards context

1:15:14than what we know

1:15:16activities that go on in that district.

1:15:20But with the the proposed expansion,

1:15:22that's the keyword is proposed. So,

1:15:24that's something that again we would

1:15:26go over with the property owners. I

1:15:28think the popularity of the Arts

1:15:29District, people

1:15:31naturally assume it's considerably

1:15:33larger than it actually is. So we know

1:15:35it needs to be bigger. We just have to

1:15:37fine-tune what when do you feel that the

1:15:40Arts District stops and you're in

1:15:41another district?

1:15:44>> Yeah.

1:15:45>> Do we need a motion?

1:15:46>> We do need a motion.

1:15:48>> Motion to approve.

1:15:50>> We have a

1:15:51We have a motion to approve. All those

1:15:53in favor, please say I.

1:15:55>> I.

1:15:55>> I.

1:15:58>> I.

1:15:59>> Any opposed?

1:16:02That motion carries with the chair also

1:16:04voting in favor.

1:16:06Item number 826-0535-HPC1,

1:16:12a report by the Community Development

1:16:14Department regarding the Nevada State

1:16:15Historic Preservation Office Commission

1:16:18Assistance and Mentoring Program or CAMP

1:16:21training that was held in Carson City,

1:16:23Nevada.

1:16:25>> Receive it for the record. So I know

1:16:26Mike needs to leave. So if you want to

1:16:28do um give your um

1:16:31opinion or your your feedback on the

1:16:33camp, then you can go and then I'll

1:16:35start after him.

1:16:37>> Sure. So for the record, Michael Howe.

1:16:38Um

1:16:39wonderful wonderful weekend. Uh

1:16:43for me, the key takeaway was the

1:16:44collaboration with other Nevada

1:16:47jurisdictions, particularly Douglas,

1:16:49Storey County, Carson City, Boulder

1:16:51City.

1:16:52Nevada's just one of those states that I

1:16:54think our strength is having these

1:16:56partnerships with the smaller

1:16:57communities.

1:16:58Um and then opportunities with the

1:17:00nonprofits. I know we're familiar with

1:17:02Nevada Preservation Foundation and the

1:17:04Preserve Nevada.

1:17:06Um but I think there's a lot of other

1:17:07nonprofits that have an overlapping

1:17:10history, mission.

1:17:12Looking at Nevada Humanities and some of

1:17:13the other groups.

1:17:15Um I think just more groups coming

1:17:17together makes our effort for

1:17:19preservation stronger.

1:17:22>> Thank you. So [laughter]

1:17:24see, he has to run to another meeting.

1:17:26He's he's spread really thin today. So

1:17:29um

1:17:31Was everybody able to join virtually

1:17:33that wasn't there in person?

1:17:36Can you raise your hand if you joined

1:17:37virtually?

1:17:38>> Yeah, it it was it was

1:17:40their first effort at doing something

1:17:42virtual.

1:17:43>> Did it not work?

1:17:44>> It was a little awkward at the

1:17:45beginning. The audio was was bad and it

1:17:48wasn't on the right camera and

1:17:50>> Oh, okay.

1:17:51>> But you could see every couple of

1:17:53minutes they were working on getting it

1:17:56fixed and and uh

1:17:59uh

1:18:00I think it

1:18:02I left it with a with a positive feeling

1:18:04that uh

1:18:06I I learned and I think Mike corrected

1:18:08it uh it brought a lot of

1:18:12people together that that maybe had

1:18:14known each other but not

1:18:17I mean strictly through their

1:18:19organizations.

1:18:20Uh

1:18:23I

1:18:24was writing a report as I was going

1:18:26along

1:18:28giving it a grade and

1:18:32it wound up with a couple of them get

1:18:34getting uh some B's but there were a lot

1:18:36of C's.

1:18:38Uh and and a lot of information that I

1:18:42think many of the people in that room

1:18:44already knew.

1:18:45>> Okay.

1:18:45>> Uh so

1:18:46>> So, say your name for the record. That's

1:18:47actually a good point and um Shippo

1:18:50always loves to hear back from us. So,

1:18:52any feedback you have and I know that

1:18:54there were that did look like there were

1:18:55some issues with the um the virtual

1:18:59element of it.

1:19:00Um

1:19:01Todd, did you did were you able to hear

1:19:03the meeting or

1:19:05did you have the same problems?

1:19:06>> I I noticed the same thing at the

1:19:07beginning but it it got very smooth and

1:19:12I enjoyed it. My schedule prevented me

1:19:14from going up there and so it was

1:19:17either virtual or nothing and I really

1:19:20appreciated it.

1:19:21>> Okay, well, thank you. Say your name for

1:19:22the record. So, I'm just going to go

1:19:23over real quick.

1:19:25Um so, obviously the ones that weren't

1:19:27there virtually, we had our first day

1:19:29where we just did some networking and

1:19:31this is where we yes, we're able to meet

1:19:34people that perhaps we've only spoken

1:19:35with on the phone or shared a email

1:19:37with. So, it's always good to put the

1:19:39person

1:19:40with a face. Uh We did tour

1:19:43Here we have the images of the

1:19:45legislature building,

1:19:48the state capital. We saw

1:19:51Senator Bryan's beautiful picture right

1:19:53there.

1:19:54So, he's he's up there obviously a few

1:19:56times.

1:19:58He's on our Centennial Commission.

1:20:00And

1:20:02then we had a whole day, which was part

1:20:05of the virtual attendance.

1:20:08And

1:20:09um

1:20:10I'll let the others chime in here, but

1:20:13we had I felt that the

1:20:16the best

1:20:17courses or the presenters was on the

1:20:20legal basics and meeting procedures and

1:20:24role of the commissioners.

1:20:26The

1:20:27bullet points I came back with that were

1:20:30mentioned during the course of the day.

1:20:33Oh, and then on the last day we did tour

1:20:36uh

1:20:36What's that called? The Fourth Ward

1:20:38School? Yeah, Fourth Ward School in

1:20:40Virginia City. Um that's the only thing

1:20:43we were able to do because there was

1:20:44this giant motorcycle rally there. I

1:20:46think every time Jack goes to one of

1:20:48these, there's something weird happening

1:20:49in that city.

1:20:51So,

1:20:52it was What was it?

1:20:53>> Fourth Ward is well well worth going to.

1:20:55>> Oh, it was a beautiful building, but it

1:20:57was it was it was interesting trying to

1:20:59get around because of all the

1:21:01motorcycles, like literally thousands of

1:21:03them.

1:21:04>> [laughter]

1:21:04>> And so the way I took away

1:21:08um from some suggestions and discussions

1:21:11and we can discuss this as a group.

1:21:13There was a suggestion to do 15-minute

1:21:15training sessions at each HPC meeting.

1:21:19We would have to decide what we wanted

1:21:20to do with that. Um they did suggest

1:21:23that we have a preservation plan and

1:21:25have four or five set goals each year

1:21:28and to present those results to City

1:21:31Council to get City Council more

1:21:33familiar with who we are and what we do.

1:21:35I mean, they know who we are and what we

1:21:36do, but it's always good to show our

1:21:38face in front of them.

1:21:39Um and that is a preservation plan is

1:21:42something that SHPO could actually fund.

1:21:44And, um,

1:21:46ask all the commissioners here, why are

1:21:48you on the HPC? What does the HPC do?

1:21:51And what would you like to see it do in

1:21:53the future?

1:21:54Um, there was, and I'll have something

1:21:57about this at my updates, the

1:21:58commissioners um, encouraged

1:22:00commissioners to participate participate

1:22:02in outreach efforts. I know everybody

1:22:04obviously has jobs and but a lot of you

1:22:07do participate but, um, you know, it

1:22:10would be great if we could get some help

1:22:12when we do, um, community events. And

1:22:15also, and we'll talk to the, um, they

1:22:17haven't hired the new building inspector

1:22:19yet because, as you know, Mike

1:22:20Cunningham moved up to the

1:22:22um, director position. Um, but to have

1:22:25the building inspector of the city can

1:22:27help us by informing property owners,

1:22:31um, as long as well as our real estate

1:22:32contacts about, hey, you know, this is a

1:22:34historic property. And so, that's what I

1:22:37took out of out of this. Um, so, I don't

1:22:40uh, Chairwoman, did you want to then

1:22:42start uh, as far as what you took away

1:22:44from the the sessions?

1:22:46>> Sure. Um, I think a lot of my takeaways

1:22:49are are fairly similar. Um, I also, you

1:22:53know, I think a preservation plan is

1:22:55something

1:22:56I've personally suggested as as a

1:22:59project for the commission.

1:23:01Um, I do think that that would be really

1:23:03beneficial for us to kind of have a

1:23:06narrowed set of priorities that we could

1:23:08work within.

1:23:10Um, and and kind of, you know, align our

1:23:12project priorities under. Um, I know

1:23:15that the master plan does have some

1:23:19larger preservation priorities. Um, but

1:23:22I think having, you know, just like we

1:23:24have special area neighborhood plans,

1:23:26having a more specific preservation

1:23:28plan,

1:23:30um, could be really really beneficial. I

1:23:32think the partnerships, um, kind of

1:23:35aspect that that Mike highlighted was

1:23:37also particularly relevant. Um,

1:23:40especially when when think about how to

1:23:44expand and maybe have a a stronger

1:23:47presence in our community and

1:23:49neighborhood. Um I think leaning on some

1:23:52of our kind of community partners who

1:23:54already have those connections could be

1:23:56helpful. So we may want to think about,

1:23:58you know, we do have funding already

1:24:01dedicated um for the outreach efforts

1:24:04that Diana and Teresa do.

1:24:06Um but is there

1:24:08you know, a possibility to maybe utilize

1:24:10some of that funding

1:24:12um with community partners to uh to kind

1:24:15of create more of an ongoing, you know,

1:24:18message throughout the year might be

1:24:20helpful.

1:24:21Um lastly, I I just really enjoyed

1:24:24meeting um SHPO staff. There

1:24:28are a lot of new staff um and, you know,

1:24:31on the commission, I don't work

1:24:33necessarily closely with SHPO, but

1:24:35everybody really that I know from SHPO

1:24:37from my days um of of working on surveys

1:24:42have left, and so it was really great to

1:24:44just kind of meet the new staff and get

1:24:46to know people and build some of those

1:24:48connections so that when you do have

1:24:50questions, you know, reading through

1:24:53um a document or thinking through, you

1:24:57know, maybe a particular project, SHPO's

1:24:59always a resource, and it was great to

1:25:01hear how willing they are to be a

1:25:04partner in this work as well

1:25:06um and working towards kind of that that

1:25:09open door policy, if you will, um to be

1:25:12able to answer questions and and and be

1:25:15an asset to us when we need them.

1:25:19>> One last thought that I had still up for

1:25:21the record looking watching

1:25:24the

1:25:25the online.

1:25:27Part of the reason I was watching is

1:25:28which of these topics

1:25:32do we not need to have

1:25:35at our local version? Which of these

1:25:37things Okay, we got that we got that

1:25:39covered.

1:25:40Uh

1:25:41and there were there were a couple of

1:25:42others that I thought the introductions

1:25:44that they gave of who they were were

1:25:47just a little too long and a little too

1:25:49detailed. These are experts and we can

1:25:52read their bios ahead of time. We don't

1:25:53need to have them give the little

1:25:56little speeches beforehand to maximize

1:25:59the amount of time. So, I think

1:26:01if we can go back over

1:26:04the list that that originally we

1:26:06submitted that we would like to have

1:26:09uh to see if there's anything that uh

1:26:12that changed because of the of the

1:26:15of the meeting Carson City. Thank you.

1:26:19>> Jack.

1:26:21>> Uh Jack Levine for the record. Um

1:26:24Uh well, I I've come to learn that I

1:26:26don't do very well in classroom settings

1:26:28anymore. Okay? Um

1:26:30I used I used to be able to hear

1:26:31everything and remember everything and

1:26:33now I don't. Um and I was never a note

1:26:35taker even in school.

1:26:37Um but uh but it was really good to see

1:26:39a fully staffed SHPO staff.

1:26:42Um I I thought it was really important

1:26:44that all the various different functions

1:26:47are are being fulfilled now. I think

1:26:49that was one of our complaints for many

1:26:51many years was uh

1:26:52the shortage of staff up at SHPO.

1:26:55Um

1:26:56I I fully came to realize how

1:26:59Vegas-centric my whole thinking of of

1:27:02historic preservation is has always

1:27:04been. I never gave any consideration to

1:27:08that something else happened in Reno or

1:27:09Carson City or Virginia City or anywhere

1:27:12else in the state. I just I you know, I

1:27:14came to Vegas. That's all I know is

1:27:16Vegas and man, I was blown away I was

1:27:18blown away by the the school museum. I

1:27:21was blown away by uh the little town of

1:27:24Genoa even though we walked into

1:27:26um

1:27:28uh

1:27:28the the

1:27:28>> Candidate.

1:27:29>> the day before the the a big arts

1:27:31festival the next day. So, tents lined

1:27:34up every up and down the street. You

1:27:35could hardly see anything through the

1:27:36tents.

1:27:37And um

1:27:39uh

1:27:39>> [snorts]

1:27:39>> and then Virginia City with the

1:27:40motorcycles and I think you were

1:27:42referencing when we went to New Orleans.

1:27:44We walked right into the middle of a

1:27:46Taylor Swift concert

1:27:48um

1:27:48at

1:27:49at the Super, whatever the

1:27:51the big stadium is in in New Orleans,

1:27:53and uh, 10,000 Swifties and their

1:27:56daddies uh, parading up and down the

1:27:58streets is so distracting they couldn't

1:28:00even see the buildings. So, um, then we

1:28:02got motorcycles instead this time. Uh,

1:28:05it was that part was very amusing, but I

1:28:07I I

1:28:09you know, I bought a couple books while

1:28:10I was up there. I'm in the middle of

1:28:11reading. I'm uh, now I'm kind of

1:28:13fascinated with that area and and I

1:28:15realized that there's a lot of really

1:28:18great people in the state doing a lot of

1:28:19really great things and have

1:28:20accomplished an awful lot. And uh, it's

1:28:23kind of motivating on that respect.

1:28:25So, thank you.

1:28:26>> Thank you. And I think Nathan, you're

1:28:28Oh, then Teresa, so.

1:28:30>> Yeah, uh, Commissioner Harper, for the

1:28:31record. I I thought it was great. Uh, I

1:28:33got a lot out of it. Um, echoing what

1:28:35what Jack has said, it's it's always

1:28:37energizing to be around a people a group

1:28:39of like-minded people that are focused

1:28:40on some of the same things, uh, facing

1:28:43some of the same challenges. So, it's

1:28:45it's nice to be around a group of people

1:28:46with that with that with that energy. I

1:28:48thought that uh, as far as the sessions

1:28:50go, I thought the legal uh, review was

1:28:52really great. It was really helpful and

1:28:53I I think that's something that

1:28:54everybody could could get something out

1:28:56of. Uh, some of the other ones were were

1:28:58a little hit-or-miss. Um, I think

1:29:00for the most part, I think we just want

1:29:02more time to have those discussions, be

1:29:04able to to talk about these issues that

1:29:06everybody has rather than just like a

1:29:07wrote classroom type presentation. Um,

1:29:10so yeah, the time to have the discussion

1:29:12is is is uh, is a is an important part

1:29:14of it, so. I thought it was great

1:29:16though. Thank you very much to the city

1:29:17and thank you to to Diane and and Teresa

1:29:19for organizing everything. It was it was

1:29:21definitely worth our time. Thanks.

1:29:23>> Thank you. And Teresa was also attended.

1:29:27>> Um, just really quick, a lot of the same

1:29:28things that um, a lot of people have

1:29:30said. Um, I particularly did like the

1:29:33design review just because I'm not used

1:29:35to, you know, reviewing um, applications

1:29:38and things like that that you all do.

1:29:40Um, also the community outreach, a lot

1:29:43of what everyone has said. That is

1:29:46particularly one of the things that I

1:29:47really really want to um, help push

1:29:50forward. So, I'm always interested in

1:29:52different ways and how to reach the

1:29:54community. So, hopefully um hopefully

1:29:58we'll be able to do um better in the

1:30:00future.

1:30:02>> And that is this is not a vote item, so

1:30:06unless there's questions

1:30:08um

1:30:10>> I

1:30:11>> I was going to wait until the agenda

1:30:13future agenda, but is it appropriate to

1:30:15ask what uh where we stand with the next

1:30:17our our local camp?

1:30:19>> It is on our update slide.

1:30:20>> Okay, bye.

1:30:23>> Just really quickly, I

1:30:25I find it ironic that you all visited

1:30:27the legislative building since it's like

1:30:29the least historic building in Carson

1:30:31City anymore.

1:30:33Um

1:30:34and

1:30:35Jack it's Genoa.

1:30:38That's like saying Nevada.

1:30:40Genoa.

1:30:41>> We had a

1:30:42>> [laughter]

1:30:43>> We debated that for a

1:30:44>> As someone who grew up in northern

1:30:45Nevada

1:30:46>> through the whole weekend.

1:30:47>> Okay, so

1:30:49Genoa.

1:30:50Not Genoa. Not Genoa.

1:30:52>> Genoa is in Italy.

1:30:54>> Okay.

1:30:55>> You know what Genoa is in Nevada.

1:30:56>> Well, then I couldn't even remember once

1:30:58we decided on it and I couldn't remember

1:30:59what it was, so thank you for reminding

1:31:01me.

1:31:04>> Okay, I'm going to move us on to item

1:31:07number nine.

1:31:0926-053-HPC1,

1:31:13a report by the historic preservation

1:31:14officer regarding the Old Spanish Trail

1:31:17Association annual conference held in

1:31:20Kanab, Utah

1:31:21October 15th through 18th, 2026.

1:31:26>> Thank you, Stewart, for the record. So,

1:31:29um went to the Old Spanish Trail

1:31:30conference. Uh there's

1:31:33We're only about 35 attendees. Um so, it

1:31:36was a very quite small conference. Um

1:31:40Their main focus this year was really on

1:31:44um efforts to

1:31:47how to better promote the the

1:31:50organization to a a younger crowd

1:31:52because most of the

1:31:54the um attendees were older. I was like

1:31:58one of the youngest people there, so

1:32:01I'm not young, so

1:32:03um there

1:32:04there was not a conclusive answer of how

1:32:06to do this, but really pushing um how

1:32:08to, you know, work on getting other

1:32:10people very interested in the Old

1:32:12Spanish Trail. Um they are working

1:32:14actually on a digital game, but it's it

1:32:17hasn't been published yet, and it's just

1:32:19in the rudimentary stages, but it's a

1:32:21game that you

1:32:23have um

1:32:25you pick uh one of the the caravans you

1:32:28go with, and you have to follow the Old

1:32:31Spanish Trail, and you have to face

1:32:32obstacles, and you have to decide if

1:32:35it's snowing, do you want to stay, or do

1:32:37you want to continue forward? Do you go

1:32:39over the mountain passage, or do you

1:32:40skirt the mountain? So, I they're trying

1:32:43to, you know, incorporate more interest

1:32:45with their their game. So,

1:32:48um I'm not sure when it's going to be

1:32:49completed, but once it is, you know,

1:32:51we'll send it out to everybody.

1:32:54So, the Old Spanish Trail, as we know,

1:32:56is more than just one trail. So, this

1:32:58conference really con- concentrated on

1:33:01the Armijo section, which is basically

1:33:04between

1:33:06um

1:33:06on this map, it was between basically

1:33:09Page all the way down into to Mesquite,

1:33:13and a lot of debate on how um Armijo

1:33:17crossed a lot of these obstacles on the

1:33:21rivers. They

1:33:22mainly went in the winter, because the

1:33:26level of the water would be low, and

1:33:28there would be in some places ice,

1:33:30depending on where they were, so they

1:33:32were able to cross rivers easier rather

1:33:34than in a spring run-off.

1:33:36And there were um some just

1:33:41different points of view of study of um

1:33:44how his um caravan moved through that

1:33:47area.

1:33:48Uh as you know, a lot of the trail no

1:33:50longer really exists. Uh campsites

1:33:53aren't um

1:33:54marked, and this was just it wasn't a

1:33:57trail that was repetitively used. It was

1:33:59just his um foray into from Santa Fe to

1:34:03Las Vegas or Los Angeles through Las

1:34:06Vegas. And um so it was it was

1:34:08interesting to understand what they're

1:34:11trying to do as far as promoting it. And

1:34:13the thing that they're doing is these

1:34:14little um these metal silhouettes. If

1:34:17you've driven around the area, you may

1:34:20have seen these. They're not in super

1:34:23populated areas. They're quite off the

1:34:26the they're off the highways. Um this

1:34:28one is near Pahrump.

1:34:31I don't know if that's the right way to

1:34:32say that, but I'll say it that way. And

1:34:34just to give you an idea of how large

1:34:36they are, that's me standing next to one

1:34:38of them. So, you know, they're about 5

1:34:39to 6 ft tall, so you can see them from

1:34:41the road. And they are still talking

1:34:43about putting more of these in as as

1:34:45they move forward in time.

1:34:48We also were able to um we had the

1:34:51privilege of visiting and maybe Nathan

1:34:53knows about this

1:34:54>> the Cave Lakes Canyon.

1:34:56>> Um just an absolutely incredible site.

1:34:59It's an archaeological site with these

1:35:01um

1:35:02slab-lined food storage pits that date

1:35:05back to the early Basketmaker um culture

1:35:08and that's at least 3,500 years ago. Um

1:35:12this is actually on private property.

1:35:15So, it's was a privilege to see it

1:35:16because not many people are able to. And

1:35:19that's the image on the left. And if you

1:35:20can see there, I am pointing to the the

1:35:23remains of of the pits.

1:35:26And then we also did visit Stovepipe

1:35:30National Monument, and that's the image

1:35:32to the right. It was a It was a part

1:35:35where Amijo did pass through this area.

1:35:37I don't know if they know exactly where,

1:35:39but they did pass through this area

1:35:40because there is a water source there.

1:35:42And it also the um building here was a

1:35:45cattle ranch. And it was a cattle

1:35:47ranching um operation.

1:35:50And then lastly, um they did talk about

1:35:54next year's meeting. They would like to

1:35:56have it in Las Vegas. I There's no date

1:36:00picked. Um there's no details available,

1:36:02but if this is something that this board

1:36:04thinks we would like to um support or

1:36:07help the Old Spanish Trail Association

1:36:09with, please, you know, send me your

1:36:11your ideas, your comments, and we can

1:36:13see um what we can do for next year's

1:36:16conference if we can have it here in Las

1:36:17Vegas. And happy to answer questions if

1:36:20there are any.

1:36:29Yes, this map?

1:36:31Uh oh oh, I can send it to you.

1:36:33Yeah.

1:36:35>> Well, I just say that stole off the

1:36:37record. I'm just a little bit envious

1:36:39about uh

1:36:40uh

1:36:41the the fact of very informative with uh

1:36:45the the challenge, and I think it's a

1:36:47challenge that some ways that we have

1:36:50with the the Centennial Commission and

1:36:52the Historic Preservation Commission

1:36:54that uh

1:36:56uh we need to bring in

1:36:58I was going to use a a year, but I think

1:37:00I would get in trouble. Uh uh

1:37:05But this the map is also quite

1:37:07interesting

1:37:09uh of how they

1:37:12are are south of the uh

1:37:15south of the

1:37:17uh Well, they're in the Las Vegas

1:37:18Valley, so I guess that that's still but

1:37:23there's real opportunity to clean up the

1:37:25history

1:37:27of of that particular 1920 1829 Spanish

1:37:31Trail.

1:37:33Uh

1:37:34there's a real opportunity to to do

1:37:36that. And then there's there's more and

1:37:38more information that this organization

1:37:40has gathered in

1:37:42uh from different sources. So, I'm

1:37:44great. That's excellent. Thank you for

1:37:45the report. Again, envious.

1:37:50>> Um Commissioner Laramie, this

1:37:52uh actually reminds me of something I

1:37:55forgot to say on the last item, but

1:37:57something we saw in in Carson City where

1:38:00the Kit Carson Trail markers.

1:38:03Um they had the medallions in the

1:38:05sidewalk. Um and I immediately thought

1:38:08of the Spanish trail as potentially, you

1:38:11know, a something that we could easily

1:38:14do for a a trail that's no longer extant

1:38:17is, you know,

1:38:19um marking it with medallions or or some

1:38:22sort of um identifiable

1:38:25piece of public art. Um I know that it's

1:38:28had banners and is part of the cultural

1:38:30corridor as well. So, there's some areas

1:38:33where it is it is marked um but I I just

1:38:37wanted to bring that up um to kind of as

1:38:40a way to either revamp or expand upon

1:38:44earlier efforts. Um and I also think,

1:38:48you know, we've talked at at a recent

1:38:51meeting about, you know, what are some

1:38:54um preservation priorities that that

1:38:58could lead us to maybe working across

1:39:01jurisdictional boundaries and partnering

1:39:04with neighboring um jurisdictions and I

1:39:07think the Old Spanish Trail is an

1:39:09excellent example of why we might want

1:39:11to do that and support other efforts

1:39:13outside of the city of Las Vegas. And as

1:39:16we can see, there's even, you know,

1:39:18cross-state significance here. Um I

1:39:21realize that's a that's a big step and

1:39:23we need to start with baby steps, but I

1:39:25think that there's a lot of potential

1:39:27with this trail. Um and if commissioners

1:39:30are interested, you know, it it it

1:39:32deserves being a priority in my in my

1:39:35perspective.

1:39:38>> Again, solely for the record, I would

1:39:39echo that 100%. There's a real

1:39:41opportunity. We look at the county's

1:39:43website when it deals with

1:39:46the this question of where the Spanish

1:39:48Trail

1:39:49is pretty good.

1:39:51Uh it's a work that was really done and

1:39:53cleaned up and but to have a a series of

1:39:56markers that are the same throughout the

1:40:00Southern Nevada would just be uh Uh,

1:40:03and I'm sure that this that their

1:40:04organization would work with us. So,

1:40:06that a real opportunity.

1:40:09>> Thank you. I think I think that's an

1:40:10excellent idea. Um

1:40:13Here I'm my number one.

1:40:14>> Commissioner Harper, for the record, if

1:40:15you go if you go up a couple slides

1:40:17where you have the Las Vegas 2027 there.

1:40:21>> Yes.

1:40:21>> You see that on the on the left-hand

1:40:23side, you see that little marker there?

1:40:24That Old Spanish Trail. They have

1:40:25concrete markers, these little obelisks.

1:40:27They have them all throughout Southern

1:40:28Nevada.

1:40:30Several locations. Sometimes it is in

1:40:32the middle of nowhere

1:40:33>> Mhm.

1:40:33>> as well. And we've had this marker at

1:40:35the Springs Preserve. I I know this

1:40:36marker is at the Old Spanish Trail Park

1:40:38in the southwest part of the city as

1:40:39well. So, these these markers are around

1:40:41and Old Spanish Trail folks do these do

1:40:44these markers.

1:40:45>> So, would we want to embellish on this?

1:40:47Because yes, there are cuz I know

1:40:48there's one at Springs Preserve, there's

1:40:50one at Old Mormon Fort, and there is a

1:40:52there's one that's in the county at the

1:40:54Old Spanish Trail Park.

1:40:57>> I think that so uh for the for the

1:41:00record, I think the first thing to do is

1:41:02we need to

1:41:04gather the facts.

1:41:06Uh because there's still plenty of you

1:41:08know, we've got a community center named

1:41:10after

1:41:11this one gentleman

1:41:14that and he is now been

1:41:16uh

1:41:18commission he is now been the he is the

1:41:21person who named Las Vegas Las Vegas.

1:41:24Which he didn't. And and he didn't visit

1:41:28all the places that that that So, there

1:41:31some but

1:41:32but I would say

1:41:34we gather gather the facts with a joint

1:41:37arrangement with

1:41:38deal with the county.

1:41:40Um and then survey where the markers are

1:41:44and if they're what kind of condition

1:41:46they are in.

1:41:48Those are interesting markers and I

1:41:51don't know if we need to go would

1:41:52suggest rather not than plaques.

1:41:55Um

1:41:57just as a side note the one that

1:41:59recognizes the marker that recognizes

1:42:03the

1:42:04silver's golden spike that connected Los

1:42:07Angeles with Las Vegas is located about

1:42:1110 miles south of of Las Vegas

1:42:16and it has been stolen

1:42:19probably 15-20 times.

1:42:22And so I I I would lean more towards

1:42:25something like this that recognizes the

1:42:29the importance of of the site

1:42:32uh rather than a plaque or another sign

1:42:36or even the state of Nevada

1:42:38markers.

1:42:39So I would say gather some facts and

1:42:42then think about whether or not what we

1:42:44want to do to mark the sites

1:42:47and and where and potentially use this

1:42:49one.

1:42:51I could get very excited about this one.

1:42:55>> Uh Commissioner Moody, for the record,

1:42:58I'm also very interested in

1:43:01both participating and seeing this here

1:43:05in 2027.

1:43:07I think there's

1:43:08so many community outreach opportunities

1:43:11for this with

1:43:13you know, I think of Scouting America,

1:43:15Just Serve

1:43:16uh the city, the the county. I think we

1:43:19could really make a a difference here.

1:43:23So I'd like to see it.

1:43:27>> Okay, well, thank you everybody for your

1:43:29attention.

1:43:30And Nathan, did you want to come down

1:43:31here for your report?

1:43:34You can stay up there.

1:43:36>> Okay. That moves us to item number 10,

1:43:3926-0537-HPC1,

1:43:44report by Nathan Harper, Las Vegas

1:43:46Valley Water District Archaeologist and

1:43:48Historic Preservation Commissioner

1:43:51regarding the 2026

1:43:53Nevada Museums Association annual

1:43:55conference held in Mesquite, Nevada in

1:43:59on October 6th through 9th, 2026.

1:44:02>> Thank you, Commissioner Harper, for the

1:44:03record. So I was at this was the Nevada

1:44:05Museums Association meetings up in

1:44:07Mesquite

1:44:08uh weeks ago and this is a It's about 60

1:44:11people were in attendance for this. So,

1:44:13once again, not a very large uh

1:44:16um meeting, but uh probably small

1:44:17because it was in Mesquite. I think it

1:44:18was the first time INMA has been held in

1:44:20Mesquite. And it's not always the

1:44:22easiest place to get to when you're

1:44:23bringing people in from all over the

1:44:24state. So, but it was nice to see people

1:44:26from all over the state, including

1:44:27people from the the state uh state

1:44:29museum's office, uh people from the

1:44:31county that were there as well. So, it

1:44:33was a It was a nice mix of people. And I

1:44:35just gave a general presentation on the

1:44:37development of the exhibit for City Hall

1:44:39that we did around the the the uh Paiute

1:44:41dictionary that we had there. So, I

1:44:43talked about the process of of

1:44:45digitization, the work that Nevada State

1:44:47Museum did, and the state archives did

1:44:49to digitize that. I talked about

1:44:51coordinating between the different

1:44:52entities, between the county, the city,

1:44:54Springs Preserve, State Museum, all

1:44:56these other entities, and how uh we

1:44:58shared artifacts and knowledge to to to

1:45:00put this all together. And then uh

1:45:02finally at the end sort of gave an

1:45:03overview of the city's um

1:45:05uh gallery spaces and and potential

1:45:08future

1:45:09uh exhibits perhaps through the

1:45:10commission or through other groups

1:45:12there. So, it was a It was a really good

1:45:14uh It was a really good conference. Had

1:45:15a really good response to that. People

1:45:17are very very very interested in this

1:45:18dictionary and the information from this

1:45:20dictionary. So, the more that it's

1:45:22shared, the more information that's out

1:45:23there, I think uh it's it's a very

1:45:25positive thing. Um

1:45:27and finally, sort of the INMA sort of

1:45:29serves as the advocacy group for Nevada

1:45:32museums, obviously. But, you know, there

1:45:34is a there is a historic preservation

1:45:36component to that. Many of these uh uh

1:45:37museums are in historic buildings. So,

1:45:39they think about historic preservation

1:45:41and I upkeep and maintenance and all

1:45:43that as well. And sort of the theme

1:45:45throughout sort of the the few days of

1:45:47the conference was tell people what

1:45:48you're doing.

1:45:50You know, people can't care about

1:45:51something they don't know about. So, you

1:45:54know, just in your regular day-to-day

1:45:56life, share information about the

1:45:58projects that you do as a commissioner,

1:45:59talk about uh the important historic

1:46:01preservation activities that the uh that

1:46:03the preser- that the commission does.

1:46:05Um and um you know, just tell people

1:46:08what you do, otherwise they're not going

1:46:09to know and not going to care. So, uh

1:46:11don't be shy

1:46:12uh to tell people about uh about the

1:46:15things and the works that you do.

1:46:17Um just as an aside, we're talking a

1:46:19little bit about early Las Vegas. I know

1:46:22um this probably is maybe a little bit

1:46:23later for announcements, but I know

1:46:24later this evening there is Stanley

1:46:26Parrs doing a presentation down in

1:46:27Henderson at Henderson CSN campus, and I

1:46:30think it should be a really good

1:46:31presentation if anybody has the time to

1:46:33go check it out.

1:46:34Thank you.

1:46:38>> Great, thank you. Do we have any

1:46:40questions for Commissioner Harper?

1:46:47Okay. Well, I love the advice of tell

1:46:50people what you're doing. I think that

1:46:53is so simple, yet something we often

1:46:56forget to do. So, thank you for that

1:46:57reminder.

1:46:59Um we will move on to item number 11,

1:47:0226-0538-HPC1.

1:47:06Discussion for possible action regarding

1:47:09approval of letters addressed to

1:47:10Nevada's congressional delegation to the

1:47:13United States Congress regarding the

1:47:15proposed revisions to the regulations

1:47:17for Section 106 of the National Historic

1:47:20Preservation Act.

1:47:22>> I see but for the record. So, since

1:47:23we've discussed this at our last few

1:47:26meetings, I don't know if we really need

1:47:28to rehash all that. Um So, the um

1:47:32request from the commission was to write

1:47:34these uh letters, and this is language

1:47:38that was taken from the

1:47:41National Trust for Historic Preservation

1:47:43on how to address these letters. And the

1:47:46letters are all the same um

1:47:49and they would go to uh

1:47:51the two senators and the three congress

1:47:53members um in Nevada. I did have the

1:47:56opportunity to meet with Representative

1:47:58Dina Titus's staff uh last week. Um her

1:48:03DC staff was here, so I did um talk to

1:48:06them about this, and they are aware of

1:48:08this issue. Um they are tracking it, and

1:48:11they welcome our letters to help them,

1:48:14you know, um

1:48:15hopefully um push back on making these

1:48:19changes official.

1:48:21So, I would need an approval on this,

1:48:24but if there's any changes, keep in mind

1:48:27if there are changes, it would have to

1:48:29come back to this commission and we

1:48:30don't meet in November, so it wouldn't

1:48:31be till this till December. So, that may

1:48:33be too late. So, um

1:48:36they still have not voted. Nathan,

1:48:39unless you've heard something different,

1:48:40they still have not made public comment

1:48:43available to the general public yet.

1:48:46I don't know the the date. I think their

1:48:49last meeting was October.

1:48:52A couple of weeks ago, maybe? Yeah. And

1:48:54I'm not sure if they're having another

1:48:56meeting after that.

1:49:00So, it's um you know, I welcome

1:49:02anybody's feedback on these and how we

1:49:04want to move forward.

1:49:06>> Just a couple of quick comments. One is

1:49:08is when we move forward, I'd like to see

1:49:11uh

1:49:12the at the bottom of the page

1:49:15the the vice chair

1:49:17uh as well as the members listed.

1:49:20And if space allows, I'd like one line

1:49:25to show

1:49:26what they represent, what district or

1:49:29what something that the congressional

1:49:32delegation would be able to identify cuz

1:49:36this is a broad

1:49:38a broad panel from building to whatever.

1:49:41But, the second one is

1:49:43uh

1:49:44the backup documentation says

1:49:47and there's at least one of those people

1:49:49that are not going to be in office in

1:49:51about 5 days.

1:49:53And that's Mark Amodei cuz he's not

1:49:55re-running. And so,

1:49:57you know,

1:49:59uh Senator Rosen and and

1:50:02Senator Cortez, no question.

1:50:05Um and I think for the most part the

1:50:07others, but

1:50:09I don't know if we want to send it to

1:50:11somebody that's not going to be in

1:50:12office. So, maybe we should wait until

1:50:15after the

1:50:17uh next Wednesday

1:50:19to uh determine who they're going to be

1:50:21sent to.

1:50:23>> I I we can do that. Um, if that's the

1:50:25direction that this commission would

1:50:27like to take.

1:50:28>> put it out to the rest of them.

1:50:30>> Um, Commissioner Laramie, I would

1:50:32suggest that we go ahead and send them

1:50:35because, um,

1:50:37I mean, he

1:50:38Congress, uh,

1:50:40uh, Manamaday will be serving till the

1:50:42end of the calendar year and we don't

1:50:43know when

1:50:44>> That's good.

1:50:45>> Um, you know, decisions on this will be

1:50:47made. Um, and I think we can always, you

1:50:51know,

1:50:53direct a follow-up once we know results

1:50:55and and if this continues beyond this

1:50:58calendar year, we could always follow up

1:51:00with another letter, but I think it's

1:51:02important to get them out before,

1:51:04um,

1:51:06that date that Diane mentioned.

1:51:10>> Jack Wein, I think we Yes, I think we

1:51:12should definitely send to everybody

1:51:13that's in office now.

1:51:15And if there's somebody that we want to

1:51:17send it to that is going to be in office

1:51:19next year,

1:51:21that we tag them along before, during,

1:51:24or after the sending of these letters.

1:51:29>> Uh,

1:51:30Chairman or Commissioner Moody, for the

1:51:32record,

1:51:33um,

1:51:35I agree that each of our names and

1:51:38responsibilities should be on the the

1:51:41letters.

1:51:42Do we Will this go out on letterhead?

1:51:46>> Yes. Well, no, it actually won't go on

1:51:48letterhead because it's not from the

1:51:49city, it's from the HPC. So, it will go

1:51:51out on this.

1:51:53>> We don't have, uh,

1:51:54a seal or icon we can use.

1:51:57>> We do not for the HPC, no.

1:52:00I can't Jim, I'm going to look at you.

1:52:02If we want to put this on letterhead, I

1:52:03was directed not to put it on

1:52:05letterhead.

1:52:07>> Um,

1:52:08Chairman Jim Lewis, um, from the Trains

1:52:10Office. Yeah, that's that's that's a

1:52:12sort of a CMO Seth each CEO call, so,

1:52:17um,

1:52:19it sounds like you were hoping this

1:52:20would go on something that says historic

1:52:23preservation commission.

1:52:25Well, sort of like a legal letterhead

1:52:26with the names on the each side.

1:52:29>> I'm not necessarily, just something that

1:52:32makes it look a little official from us.

1:52:34I think it'll get more attention that

1:52:36way.

1:52:37>> I I I would say I would

1:52:39I would think that what we produce will

1:52:41be professional looking and will

1:52:44will be uh

1:52:46Well,

1:52:47nothing we send out looks looks too

1:52:49shabby. I don't I don't know how to

1:52:51explain that. We're not going to We're

1:52:52not going to embarrass you or ourselves.

1:52:54Let's put it that way. But it's not

1:52:55going to be

1:52:57just blank the way it it is now.

1:52:59I I think that we probably ought to just

1:53:01make sure that South hears this

1:53:03direction and and uh

1:53:05I can't imagine we want to embarrass you

1:53:08or the city.

1:53:09>> Understood.

1:53:17>> Commissioner Harper.

1:53:17>> Uh for the record. So, we're talking

1:53:20about regulatory changes.

1:53:22The There is also a bill that's gone

1:53:24through the Senate, has come out of

1:53:26committee,

1:53:27uh making a lot of changes to the NHPA.

1:53:31Um so, there's two tracks that are

1:53:33happening right now. There's the

1:53:34regulatory track and there's the

1:53:35statutory track.

1:53:36And so, uh

1:53:38that's scheduled to be voted on by the

1:53:39Senate on November 9th.

1:53:41So, a lot can happen. Lots going to

1:53:43happen in the next couple weeks. Um

1:53:46but uh there seems to be a lot of uh

1:53:49momentum behind the Senate bill

1:53:51because it's covering large

1:53:53infrastructure projects, transmission

1:53:55projects, and things like those. They're

1:53:56also inserting some things that go sort

1:53:58of beyond

1:53:59what the regulatory suggested changes

1:54:01were.

1:54:02Um

1:54:03it's a little more extreme actually than

1:54:04what was proposed by ACHP um

1:54:06on some of those things. Um

1:54:09so, I know that that that text has gone

1:54:11out. So, so that is that is out in the

1:54:13ether and we can send that along so

1:54:15everybody can get a chance to read that

1:54:17bill.

1:54:18Um so, I think voted on the Senate uh

1:54:21November 9th and then I think it goes to

1:54:22the house, and so there's a chance to

1:54:24get some changes made once it goes back

1:54:26to the house, and then of course it'll

1:54:27be reconciled and go back to the Senate.

1:54:29So, there's still some time to make our

1:54:32thoughts and feelings known on the on

1:54:33that bill specifically.

1:54:44>> I make a motion that we accept the

1:54:47the letter as written or as written the

1:54:49the contents and with the added of the

1:54:52names of the members of the commission.

1:54:57>> We have a motion. All those in favor,

1:55:00please say I.

1:55:01>> I.

1:55:01>> I.

1:55:05>> Is Commissioner Cosgrove still on the

1:55:07phone?

1:55:09Commissioner Cosgrove?

1:55:10>> Yes, I.

1:55:11>> Okay, great. Thank you.

1:55:13Um any opposed?

1:55:16That motion carries with the chair also

1:55:18voting in favor.

1:55:21We're now on item number 12, a report by

1:55:23the Community Development Department

1:55:25regarding directors updates.

1:55:30>> Seibert for the record. Um neither

1:55:31Director

1:55:32Floyd or Mike Howard here, so I don't

1:55:35think that there are any updates.

1:55:38>> Okay.

1:55:39Item 13, report by the Community

1:55:41Development Department regarding our

1:55:43project update list.

1:55:46>> Um Seibert for the record. Okay, so um

1:55:49Las Vegas camp, I'll have that on the

1:55:50next slide um that we'll talk about

1:55:52Johnny Tokos. Um as I

1:55:55had mentioned when um we heard that

1:55:57report,

1:55:58it is with SHIPO. They do have their

1:56:0030-day review, and that should be

1:56:01returned to us by November 11th.

1:56:04Uh the Floyd Lamb Park signs, the

1:56:06research for that is in progress. And so

1:56:09on the right side of this slide, this is

1:56:12uh opportunity for you to help with our

1:56:14public outreach.

1:56:16On Saturday, November 7th, right here in

1:56:20the Civic um plaza

1:56:23out outdoor area,

1:56:25Get Outdoors Nevada is having a an

1:56:28event, and it's one of those events when

1:56:30you have all the tents around and

1:56:31everybody is talking about how to get

1:56:33outside, go hiking, go walking. So, we

1:56:37asked to have a table at this event so

1:56:39we can say, "Hey, get outdoors and go

1:56:41see our historic sites." We have, you

1:56:43know, Floyd Lamb Park and Lorenzi Park

1:56:46and um you know, we can even promote

1:56:48going to you know, the Old Spanish

1:56:50Trail. And uh we just want to promote

1:56:53historic preservation because we don't

1:56:55always have opportunities to do this

1:56:57outreach, and this is a was the the best

1:57:00opportunity we have right now

1:57:02um that does probably would be some

1:57:05people interested in it and historic

1:57:07preservation that are interested in Get

1:57:08Outdoors Nevada.

1:57:10Um it does run from 1:00 to 5:00 p.m.

1:57:13We do need to be there for the entire

1:57:15time. Um of course, this is strictly

1:57:17volunteer, but I would welcome anybody's

1:57:21help to come man the table, and what we

1:57:24will have is our literature about our

1:57:26historic places. We will have our poster

1:57:29boards that show our historic

1:57:30neighborhoods and some of our historic

1:57:32sites. And just having people um there

1:57:35in order to answer questions. We do now

1:57:39have a really nice tablecloth that says

1:57:42uh historic preservation so that people

1:57:44know who we are. And uh please email me.

1:57:48Um let me know if you could please uh

1:57:51help me out with this and what hours.

1:57:53You don't have to be there from 1:00 to

1:57:555:00, but it would be great if some

1:57:56people are there.

1:57:57Um you know, maybe just if you have even

1:57:59an hour or 2 hours to give, it would be

1:58:02um much appreciated.

1:58:04And so, for the Las Vegas camp, as a

1:58:07reminder, these were our top-ranked

1:58:10training topics. The um enforcement and

1:58:13violations, the creating and updating

1:58:15local design guidelines, community

1:58:18engagement and building public support,

1:58:21preservation planning uh with community

1:58:23visioning and engagement, demolition by

1:58:26neglect, and conservation districts. So,

1:58:28we do need to pair that down to four

1:58:30topics, and Teresa will send out the

1:58:33survey of which ones everybody wants.

1:58:36Sorry?

1:58:38It's already sent? Oh, she already sent

1:58:39it.

1:58:39>> [laughter]

1:58:40>> So, it should be in your mailbox.

1:58:42And please um make sure that you uh

1:58:45reply to that, and then the three dates

1:58:48listed here, January 14th, February

1:58:5011th, or March 18th, the camp staff is

1:58:53available for any of those. Those are

1:58:55each a Thursday, and it would be um

1:58:58uh an all-day training session.

1:59:01>> Question with Dr. Zeigler, what

1:59:03of those 1 2 3 4 5 6 category

1:59:08it would be maybe today or when when we

1:59:11come for a vote,

1:59:13what you think that would help this

1:59:17commission move forward? Which of these

1:59:19topics uh uh from your perspective?

1:59:23These are the ones that we, you know,

1:59:25and looks like there's votes for two two

1:59:27two two two. So, it's

1:59:29not an overwhelming for one particular

1:59:32topic. So, it'd just be great to hear

1:59:35what uh what you think would be

1:59:37beneficial from the city standpoint for

1:59:39this commission to move forward.

1:59:41>> Well, I think that the enforcement and

1:59:42violations is very important. Um

1:59:45community engagement and building public

1:59:47support.

1:59:49Uh the one that's not on here that I

1:59:50think is would very much benefit this

1:59:53group is the legal basics as well as uh

1:59:57the uh other one it that we had, the

2:00:02uh I'm sorry.

2:00:03Um

2:00:08meeting procedures and the role of the

2:00:10commissioners.

2:00:11Um

2:00:13of course, those neither the legal

2:00:15basics and the role of the commissioners

2:00:16is not part of this,

2:00:19but just from

2:00:21my

2:00:22expert opinion in in running these

2:00:25commissions, those would be helpful.

2:00:27>> But certainly the the first one, in

2:00:30violations and then community engagement

2:00:32are

2:00:33up there.

2:00:34>> I think those two are very important for

2:00:36this commission, yes.

2:00:46>> Um Commissioner Laramie, so it sounds it

2:00:48sounds like you've sent out a survey for

2:00:50us to provide some additional feedback,

2:00:52so we don't have to make a decision

2:00:54>> Yeah. Right. Correct. But

2:00:55[clears throat] but we do need to lock

2:00:56this in

2:00:58um as soon as possible. So please don't

2:01:00wait to answer Teresa's email. That's

2:01:02why she sent it this morning so

2:01:03everybody would be able to look at it.

2:01:05Um

2:01:06>> Okay. Do we Do we know if um

2:01:10for instance, if we added legal basics,

2:01:13if it would be different or more

2:01:15specific to kind of this city context

2:01:18than what we just

2:01:20were given?

2:01:21>> So it would be more specific to the

2:01:22city.

2:01:23>> Okay.

2:01:23>> So what they do is the camp staff is

2:01:26they'll

2:01:27get a hold of

2:01:29you know, our obviously our municipal

2:01:31code and our titles

2:01:33and

2:01:35they'll they will use that in order to

2:01:38devise that specific training for the

2:01:40for the city.

2:01:41>> Okay.

2:01:42Um

2:01:44So I don't I don't know if there's an

2:01:45area on the survey as like an other or

2:01:49to add comment, but

2:01:51>> I

2:01:52>> Did you put other on there? No, just

2:01:53these.

2:01:54>> Um and again, that that was just my

2:01:56opinion. Um

2:01:58if this is not something the commission

2:01:59wants to do though, that's that's fine.

2:02:02Um it's just you know, we

2:02:03we want to

2:02:05have this relevant and useful for for

2:02:08this board.

2:02:10>> And we're going to have How many can

2:02:11have four topics? Is that

2:02:13four topics? Okay.

2:02:14>> Up to four.

2:02:16Okay.

2:02:17Um well, please do

2:02:20uh take the survey and provide your

2:02:23feedback and then we can make a final

2:02:27decision and potentially you know, if

2:02:30there is

2:02:31room, we could decide at the next

2:02:33meeting if we want to add legal basics.

2:02:36>> Okay. I I I think Teresa's going to

2:02:37resend it with to add in other stuff.

2:02:40>> Okay.

2:02:42Okay. Will that come back to us today,

2:02:44Teresa?

2:02:47>> You'll just still click the same link.

2:02:49I'm just adding it um on my side. When

2:02:51you go in there, you'll automatically

2:02:53see it.

2:02:53>> Got it. Okay.

2:02:56Um

2:02:57Well, again, please take that survey and

2:03:00Teresa will add a few additional options

2:03:02for us to think about that.

2:03:06Was that the end of your update, Diane?

2:03:08Okay.

2:03:08>> So, there's there's a question.

2:03:10>> quick question.

2:03:11>> Yes.

2:03:11>> Um we have two openings on this

2:03:13commission.

2:03:14>> Yes.

2:03:15>> Do we have a status uh report on

2:03:18anything that

2:03:21>> So, see but for the record, yes and no.

2:03:24So,

2:03:25the one position that um

2:03:28Commissioner Gillespie vacated, that

2:03:30needs to be the the museum director.

2:03:33>> Yes.

2:03:33>> As of now, they still have not made a

2:03:36decision the state museum has not made a

2:03:38decision unless you have heard

2:03:39otherwise. Yeah, I didn't think so.

2:03:41So,

2:03:43I I don't know who it will be, but as

2:03:45soon as they hire that person, we'll get

2:03:47them on board here.

2:03:48>> As opposed to somebody from SHPO.

2:03:51>> Correct. SHPO does not want to do it.

2:03:53>> Okay. All right. So, we're we're okay.

2:03:55>> So, whoever that person is hired, we'll

2:03:57get I'm hoping by January.

2:04:00Um

2:04:02I know.

2:04:04>> [laughter]

2:04:04>> So,

2:04:05um as soon as that person is hired,

2:04:07we'll get them on this board. And for

2:04:09the building uh one, I um did receive

2:04:12the

2:04:13um interest forms from the clerk's

2:04:15office, and I'm going to be talking to

2:04:17them. There's two potentials. I'll be

2:04:19talking to them this week or next week

2:04:22to um

2:04:23gauge um if they their expertise is what

2:04:27we need for that position and as far as

2:04:30their interest.

2:04:31>> It's building construction.

2:04:33>> Correct. Yes.

2:04:33>> Okay.

2:04:34Uh are these from city council members?

2:04:39Uh, did they go through that process or

2:04:40are these just people that have

2:04:43>> So, when they do the board interests,

2:04:46um, I think it's a bit of city council,

2:04:48a bit word of mouth. So, anytime

2:04:50somebody wants to be on a board, they

2:04:52have to fill out a

2:04:53uh, it's basically an application that

2:04:55says they're interested in a board and

2:04:57it has all the city boards listed and

2:04:59they check a box which one they're

2:05:01interested in and then they just give a

2:05:02little a little

2:05:04definition of who they are and what

2:05:06their background is and what they would

2:05:08like to do.

2:05:09>> Last question I had deals with uh,

2:05:12I I was just wondering if we have

2:05:14scheduled

2:05:17uh,

2:05:18the city the Clark County School

2:05:20District's sort of annual report they

2:05:22give us on

2:05:24the buildings at the high school that

2:05:26are on the city register.

2:05:28>> Could we do that at um, future agenda?

2:05:31>> Yeah.

2:05:32Okay. All right.

2:05:34Uh,

2:05:35and

2:05:39that's all I had.

2:05:42>> Okay, thank you. Any other questions?

2:05:45Okay.

2:05:47Item number 14, 26-0539-HPC1,

2:05:55a report by the Community Development

2:05:57Department regarding historic and

2:05:59archaeological resources in local media.

2:06:03Um, anybody have any comments on on our

2:06:07monthly collection of

2:06:10media?

2:06:14Moving on to item 15, discussion

2:06:16regarding topics of future agenda items.

2:06:19Comments made during this portion of the

2:06:20agenda by individual members shall refer

2:06:23solely to proposals for future agenda

2:06:25items and any discussion shall be

2:06:27limited to whether or not such proposed

2:06:29items are within the purview of the

2:06:31commission and or whether such proposed

2:06:34items shall be placed on a future

2:06:35agenda.

2:06:37No discussion regarding the substance of

2:06:39any such proposed topic shall occur and

2:06:41no action shall be taken.

2:06:44Do we have any um topics from our

2:06:47commissioners?

2:06:49>> So, uh for the record, one, uh I think

2:06:52that with the constant changing and

2:06:54updating and reports that are coming out

2:06:57in various

2:06:58meetings and things that we read in in

2:07:01the media,

2:07:02uh I think that the Hundley Theater

2:07:04needs to be a monthly element, uh even

2:07:09if it's it's simply a report or a status

2:07:12and it doesn't necessarily have to be

2:07:13Mr. Dapper, although I think we're

2:07:16need to have that for sure at our

2:07:18December meeting,

2:07:20um but it

2:07:22if there's nothing to report, there's

2:07:23nothing to report, but I think the it

2:07:26needs to be uh so, that would be my

2:07:28recommendation. The second one is

2:07:30and we already talked about that with

2:07:32the the plans for camp, so that's uh

2:07:35past that.

2:07:36One of the things that came in

2:07:38uh was the

2:07:42a piece of real estate that came up that

2:07:45is on the city's historic register and

2:07:49that's the I believe it's the J. Dayton

2:07:52Smith House uh at 624 South 6th Street.

2:07:56It's on the city's register, but it's

2:07:59now up for sale

2:08:01and I'm wondering

2:08:03I'm just sort of wondering if we have

2:08:05any

2:08:06uh

2:08:07how that is handled if there's a

2:08:10during the uh

2:08:12the the legal transition from

2:08:15the the buyer to the seller as part of

2:08:18the deed is the fact that it's on the

2:08:20city's historic register and the

2:08:22requirements that at least if there's

2:08:25any changes in the exterior, it has to

2:08:27come before the HPC.

2:08:29So, it's just really some information on

2:08:32uh advising this group whether or not we

2:08:36are going to have some potential role in

2:08:39the J. Dayton Smith house built 1931.

2:08:43Thank you.

2:08:47>> Um Commissioner Laramie, I would also

2:08:51just like to ask that the

2:08:54um

2:08:55standing item on section 106 uh remain

2:09:00on the agenda

2:09:01um just so that we can continue to share

2:09:04updates as it moves through the process

2:09:06and have discussion on that.

2:09:09Um and related to the Hundridge as part

2:09:12of the December

2:09:14item

2:09:15um

2:09:17our city attorney mentioned earlier that

2:09:20there is a process um for potentially

2:09:24you know, looking at expanding covenants

2:09:28and for reducing the lien amount on the

2:09:33currently on the building, but that

2:09:34we're not necessarily following that

2:09:36process. So, if we can get a little more

2:09:40information on, you know, what our

2:09:42current process has been, what the

2:09:45process is laid out in the agreement um

2:09:49so that we can kind of make a decision

2:09:51on how we would at least like to

2:09:54formally move forward and and what type

2:09:56of process we want to have as a

2:09:58commission over these next handful of

2:10:00years.

2:10:01>> Okay, can I just clarify what you mean

2:10:03by that? Um

2:10:05So,

2:10:06I mean, we've reported on this multiple

2:10:08times and I've given everybody HPC

2:10:10responsibility. So, you want something

2:10:12beyond that?

2:10:14Or just what Jim was talking about?

2:10:16>> Primarily what what Jim was talking

2:10:18about. If there's a process laid out

2:10:20that we haven't been following, I'm not

2:10:22clear what that is and um

2:10:26it it would be helpful to better

2:10:28understand that and if if we do want to

2:10:31make changes based on that description,

2:10:33we can decide through that agenda item.

2:10:36>> And Chairman, if I may, this is Chairman

2:10:38Lewis. Uh let me just be clear. It's not

2:10:41that we haven't been following the

2:10:42process and if that's what you heard uh

2:10:45that was incorrect. There is a process

2:10:47by by which this commission has been

2:10:50following that

2:10:53arguably complies with the process

2:10:55that's laid out there.

2:10:56Uh the process

2:10:58uh within the settlement agreement if

2:11:00you were to take certain types of

2:11:01actions uh requires us to do a bit more.

2:11:05Uh and so if you just like more

2:11:07information on uh

2:11:10the we can give you the the exact

2:11:12language from the agreement itself.

2:11:14Maybe we can provide you the agreement

2:11:15if there are any questions. If you have

2:11:17the agreement [clears throat]

2:11:18it's really um

2:11:21the you're looking at page page five,

2:11:24six, and seven.

2:11:25And

2:11:27if you have any questions,

2:11:28[clears throat] maybe that's the time uh

2:11:30we address those questions. We have an

2:11:31agenda item and I can I can be here in

2:11:33December to to answer those questions.

2:11:36Um

2:11:37my last meeting will be in January and

2:11:39then someone else will be here to help

2:11:40you.

2:11:41>> So that's a great a great send-off uh

2:11:45and so there is one question that I

2:11:47would like to ask when uh when

2:11:49we come back.

2:11:50And that is it's it's my un- informed

2:11:54un-legal opinion that for the past 5

2:11:57years we have been reducing the amount

2:12:00of the judgment based on the fact that

2:12:03the building was being renovated.

2:12:06And the building has not been renovated

2:12:08and Mr. Dapper has said so on the record

2:12:11multiple times and I'm wondering whether

2:12:13or not we would have the power to

2:12:16reimpose

2:12:18the uh

2:12:20the fines that are the reduction. We

2:12:22didn't fine him, we reduced them.

2:12:25>> Yeah, uh uh uh Commissioner, let's

2:12:27certainly

2:12:28>> I'll wait for that.

2:12:29>> Let's certainly have that conversation.

2:12:30Let's make sure Seth is involved in

2:12:32this. I know I know that um both the HPO

2:12:36and Seth are paying particular attention

2:12:39to the Hunt Street as it's so important

2:12:40to both this commission and the city

2:12:42council.

2:12:43>> All right, thank you.

2:12:46>> Okay.

2:12:47Uh do we have any other commissioners

2:12:49who want to put forth an agenda topic?

2:12:54Okay.

2:12:55Um last item is citizens participation.

2:12:59Public comment during this portion of

2:13:01the agenda must be limited to matters

2:13:03within the jurisdiction of the

2:13:04commission. No subject may be acted upon

2:13:07by the commission unless that subject is

2:13:09on the agenda and is scheduled for

2:13:11action. If you wish to be heard, please

2:13:13come forward and give your name for the

2:13:15record. The amount of discussion on any

2:13:18single subject as well as the amount of

2:13:20time any single speaker is allowed may

2:13:22be limited.

2:13:24Do we have any members of the public?

2:13:28Seeing or hearing no one, we are

2:13:30adjourned.

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